In today’s episode, we also delve into the advanced world of ADAS technology, essential for modern vehicle safety and alignment. With insights from industry professionals, discover how new alignment tools are streamlining processes and increasing precision. Coupled with exciting discussions on favorite driving songs and upcoming automotive events, this episode promises to keep you engaged and informed.
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And it’s that time. Drive Radio, KLZ 560. Thanks for joining us. We’ve got Mark Guernsey, of course, from Accountable with us today up in Broomfield. Ken Rackley from Tunetech Automotive as well. Guys, thank you and good morning.
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Good morning. Good morning.
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Thank you for joining me. It’s a beautiful day out.
SPEAKER 11 :
It is, yeah.
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You’re making a nice sacrifice for us, so thank you.
SPEAKER 11 :
Got an early bike ride in this morning, so, you know. And Mark was doing a few things as well.
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I did not.
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You did not? Well, but you were doing some things. I was working. I wasn’t getting exercise. You’re right. Good job. Yeah, no, that’s good.
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I appreciate you guys very much. I mean that. Next week, for all of you, just to make sure, I forgot to mention this during Fix It Radio, next week we’ll be out at the Red Lion Run, that is at Loprino Foods, next Saturday. We do that on an annual basis. Paul from GIA Insurance is a big sponsor there and one of our great sponsors, so we’ll be there with him as well. But come by and say hi next week. That’s on the west side of Denver. I’ll give you exact locations once we get on air. But if you just look up Loprino Foods or just look up the Red Lion Run, car show you’ll find that there’s stuff all over the place but we’ll get that listed this week on the website as well but we’re there every year so if you’ve seen us in the past we’ll be there again this year same place same spot if you know where we’re at when you’re there up against the building I’m sure we’ll be in exactly the same location so swing by and say hi and we’ll appreciate that we always get to see folks out new faces and all that as we’re out and it’s always nice to put a face with a voice that’s always been fun over the years to where when you guys call in I know who’s who that makes it really nice.
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Right, exactly.
SPEAKER 19 :
And continuing from last night, Andy and I, we were doing some different song things, One Hit Wonders and so on, so I thought I would continue that on to our question of today. So tell us today, what is your favorite either song with a car, you know, car song, or what do you play when you’re driving? Either way works. We don’t care. Charlie and Larry both are going to try to insert some different songs throughout the show today along those lines as well, but give us what your favorite car song or, you know, song with a car in it or something along those lines. We’re not going to be too specific. Or a song you enjoy playing while driving in the car. Lou, you’re first today. Go ahead.
SPEAKER 05 :
Good morning. Just thinking about a new truck and wanted to know what your thoughts were on what brand has the best track record as far as Chevy, Ram, Ford, you know, cost of repair, maintenance, longevity, all of that. What you see, you know, the ones that have problems, what I should stay away from, maybe what more I should lean into.
SPEAKER 19 :
If you’re looking brand new, and I should ask to begin with, too, are we looking at a 1500 series, a 2500, 3500 series? What are we looking at?
SPEAKER 05 :
Probably 1,500.
SPEAKER 19 :
Okay, so 1,500 series. I’ll be straight up honest. They are all very comparable as far as literally whether you’re going to go Toyota, Nissan, Ram, Chevy, Ford. I mean, literally, they are all neck and neck as far as what they do, how they perform, and so on. It really, Lou, does come down, and I think both Mark and… Ken would agree with me here. It really comes down to more of what’s the comfortability factor for you. Which one do you like climbing in out of best? Which one do you like as far as how the seats feel, the way the dash is laid out? I’m not trying to just avoid the question, Lou, because they all have – we talk about this weekly. Every car has some kind of problem. There is no perfect car, so I could tell you that this one might have a few more issues with this versus that. You know, GM’s had their issues with the 6.2 engines, although for the new series, that’s not a problem. All that’s been resolved. So if you buy a 2025 or 2026, that’s not an issue. Ford, you know, they’ve had some transmission issues. I mean, I can go down the list. You know, the reality of you, you can go out there on the Internet, Lou, and find problems with any one of the trucks. But at the end of the day, they are all very competitive, very comparable. And it literally does come down to which one do you feel you fit in and drives the best for you?
SPEAKER 11 :
Yeah, so you’ve got option package, site, everything. Yep, blind spots.
SPEAKER 19 :
How do you sit? Literally, how does the seat feel? And ergonomically, which one do you feel best in is what I feel.
SPEAKER 11 :
You have to touch the screen, your camera layout, your screen layouts and stuff like that.
SPEAKER 09 :
Does it fit in your garage if you want it to? Yeah, all that.
SPEAKER 19 :
Yeah, because, Lou, some of them will be a little longer, a little shorter, a little wider, a little narrower. I mean, what Mark just said is also very true. Where are you trying to put the truck inside if you’ve got a garage and things like that? Look at all of those.
SPEAKER 11 :
Are you towing anything with it, too? I mean, if you’re towing light stuff or you’re just throwing stuff in the bed.
SPEAKER 19 :
I’ll give you all a little help on something, which I learned this week. I should have known it prior to now. But when you’re shopping and comparing these things, Instead of going out on the Internet and then getting a notepad out and going to everybody’s website and writing down height, width, all that, go to ChatGPT. It’s free. And ask ChatGPT, I want a comparison on the specifications of the following trucks. And, Lou, it will literally give you everything I just mentioned all in one place.
SPEAKER 11 :
Nice.
SPEAKER 19 :
Okay. So if you’re looking for, you know, what’s height, width, horsepower, torque, all of these different things, literally AI will give you all of that as comparatives, and you don’t have to go to anybody’s website to find it.
SPEAKER 05 :
Okay. Well, you know, while you were talking, it made me think of something. We live remotely in Custer County, and I just lost my person that plows our road, and so… I always thought about getting a used truck to put a plow on because that causes a lot of problems, right, for a front end?
SPEAKER 19 :
Well, there’s no doubt that plowing snow with a truck is probably – I’m not exaggerating, and I own these, so I think I can say this fairly, and I might get some criticisms, but I will tell you that plowing snow – is the hardest thing you could ever do on a vehicle, period. Now, with all of that said, I will tell you that the modern, you know, 2500, 3500 series trucks, whether it be Ram, Chevy or Ford, you can all buy them with a snowplow package. They’re all very well equipped. If you’re just doing your own homeowners type stuff, that truck would last you a lifetime with a plow on it. You’d have no issue. But you’ve got to move up and go to a 2500 series and above. you know 250 series and above to get that you’re not going to get that out of a 1500 series truck right got it okay so that is something to consider if you’re thinking of doing plowing or anything like that you have you literally and i know i’m going to get people in the call and say well i’ll plow my driver with my 1500 and you know yeah i know you can yes but if you want less wear and tear and you want longevity buy a three-quarter ton or above truck to plow snow right yeah
SPEAKER 05 :
Okay. And just as an aside, if I wanted to have a older truck to do the plowing with, and I’m just throwing this out there, because we’re doing a lot of travel as well, so gas mileage is an issue.
SPEAKER 19 :
Okay.
SPEAKER 05 :
What do you think of the Ridgeline? Maybe I would have fun.
SPEAKER 19 :
You want it for your daily driver, not plowing snow, right?
SPEAKER 05 :
Exactly. Yeah, nothing wrong with the Ridgeline.
SPEAKER 19 :
No, we reviewed those in the past many times. I mean, I don’t consider, and I’m sorry, somebody from Honda or that owns Ridgelines are probably going to get after me for saying that. I don’t consider that a truck. That’s more of an SUV with a bed. Yeah. So I don’t really consider that a truck, and I wouldn’t really tow anything major with it or anything along those lines. But as far as a versatile vehicle goes with good longevity, great fuel economy, comfortable, and so on, yeah, nothing wrong with that truck. That vehicle, again, I hate to call it a truck, but nothing wrong with that vehicle at all, Lou.
SPEAKER 05 :
Right.
SPEAKER 19 :
It is not a 1500 series truck, so you’re going to take a Ridgeline and compete more, and it’s really not even able to compete with the Rangers and the Colorados and the Tacomas because it’s not a body-on-frame vehicle like those are. But even with all of that said, is it a good vehicle to own? Yes.
SPEAKER 05 :
Okay. Sounds great, guys. Much appreciate all the information.
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You’re very welcome, Lou. We appreciate you very much. Thanks for calling in. I’ll put one of these on hold for Larry. Let’s take a break. We’ve got calls coming in. One line open, 303-477-5600. The one I just put on hold. Hang tight, Larry. I’ll get to you in a moment. This is Drive Radio, KLZ 560.
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She’s real fine, my 409. She’s real fine, my 409, my 409.
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And those are some of the songs that we’re talking about. What’s your favorite car song or song you like to play while you’re driving? 303-477-5600. Don and Littleton, you are next.
SPEAKER 07 :
Hi, John. Nice to talk with you.
SPEAKER 19 :
You too, Don.
SPEAKER 07 :
Say, I had a question. I have a jump box. It’s a NAPO called a Blue Fuel.
SPEAKER 19 :
Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER 07 :
Yeah, and I’ve had it for several years, and it’s worked a couple of times and really got me out of a pinch. But yesterday I took it out of the car to charge up the battery. I do that about every three months. And the battery had swollen so much that it popped the back off of the… Battery went bad. Yeah. I had never seen that before. You ever heard of that?
SPEAKER 19 :
Oh, yeah. It’ll happen.
SPEAKER 07 :
No kidding. Does that present a fire hazard with it like that?
SPEAKER 11 :
Any of those… You know, lithium batteries could be an issue. Yeah, I would be a little bit more.
SPEAKER 09 :
Some of that keeping it in a car with windows rolled up is going to get awfully hot and they’re not really designed to handle that. Right.
SPEAKER 07 :
Well, yeah, you’re right.
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Yep.
SPEAKER 09 :
Yeah.
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Now, you can, and for all of you listening, there’s but a few exceptions to this. Some of the completely sealed units, when this happens, you’re tossing it and buying a new one and properly dispose of that, of course. But, Don, a lot of them, and I think that one, you can take it apart and put a new battery in it.
SPEAKER 07 :
Yeah, I’m going to call Schumacher.
SPEAKER 19 :
That’s what makes that blue. Yeah, I think you can put a new battery. I’ve done that on several of my jump boxes over the years where the box itself is great. It just needs a new battery. I go to Amazon or Napa, and I buy the battery that fits it, and for $40 or $50, I’m up and running again.
SPEAKER 07 :
Yeah, yeah. I’d love to keep that thing cooler in the car, but you’ve got to have it in the car to be any good to you.
SPEAKER 09 :
Right, right.
SPEAKER 07 :
Your car’s going to be in the sun in the summertime.
SPEAKER 09 :
Do you have a trunk that’s outside of the cabin area, or what kind of vehicle is this?
SPEAKER 07 :
It’s a little HRV, so it doesn’t really— Yeah, you don’t.
SPEAKER 09 :
That’s tough. Okay. Yeah. Keep a window down, keep a sunshield in. That’s about all you can do.
SPEAKER 19 :
Yeah, I mean, it just is what it is, Don. But, yeah, no, what you’re experiencing, I’ve seen, yes.
SPEAKER 07 :
Okay, okay. Well, I’ll call and see if I can get another battery. Hey, I have a neighbor up the street that works for Napa. He’s an outside salesman, a rep. He has Eastern Colorado and I think Nebraska. And he was telling me that there’s a new alignment machine that’s come out that is really, really, really good. It’s called ADOS machine. That’s the brand name. And the manufacturer is, I think he said, Odell or something.
SPEAKER 19 :
Autel makes really good ADAS is actually the terminology for all of the driver assistance on new cars. That’s what the ADAS stands for, Don. So that’s just the type of tool that that is. Autel makes a lot of the ADAS equipment, and a lot of our windshield guys, by the way, have been using Autel ADAS stuff for years.
SPEAKER 07 :
Okay, okay. He said that. He’s getting such good feedback from fellas that he sold these alignment machines to. He said, that’s the one to go to if you can find a shop that has that. He says that machine is just so sensitive and so precise. He says the guys are telling him that once they do the alignment, they have no callbacks, no problem at all.
SPEAKER 19 :
Yeah. And I’m not arguing with him, although there are other brands, Hunter, by the way, and some others that have some very high tech equipment that will do similar things differently, probably. And all of them have sort of a sort of like, you know. How do I want to say this? It’s like the difference between a, well, easy terminology would be you’ve got your Apple iPhone versus an Android or a Motorola or whatever. They all, at the end of the day, do pretty much the same thing, Don. They just have different ways of doing it. It’s similar in this world, and they all are – because of competition, which is great. That’s where capitalism is fabulous. Because of the competition, Hunter always has to come out with something new. John Bean has to come out with something new. On down the line we go, and they’re all competing for that same auto center to buy their equipment, meaning they have to be right up there with everybody else or they’re not going to sell equipment.
SPEAKER 07 :
Yeah, well, that makes sense. That makes sense. Do you know of any ADOS equipment in town here? Do you, John? No.
SPEAKER 19 :
As far as the ADOS calibrations go, yeah, there’s a lot of companies that have the ADOS equipment. In your area, Steve at Geno’s, he’s got the Hunter end of things. And Autel is another great brand. Now, keep in mind that there are some machines that are specific to… the ADOS into things. And typically, it’s not a combined unit. Hunter has a new unit out that’s combined. I think Autel does as well. But a lot of companies, they’ll do an alignment on one machine, and the ADOS, all the recalibration, is a separate machine. Those are starting to combine. In fact, Hunter, believe it or not, was the first company, saw this at SEMA two years ago. They were the first company to combine those two together, where we can do all of your calibrations and do your wheel alignment at the same time. Typically, there are two separate machines that are doing that. So somebody may have full ADOS equipment that will do all of the recalibration. So you put a new mirror on, and you’ve got to recalibrate for the blind spot monitoring. That machine would do that. Or you put a windshield in. Everything has to be recalibrated with the ADOS. So a lot of the windshield companies will even have the ADOS side, but they don’t do wheel alignment. So you will find… You’ll find it a little harder to find guys that have all of it in one machine. But Hunter now, and I think to your point, Autel, has that. So that’s becoming more common where you can do it. Because what’s happening is the ADOS is becoming intricate to the wheel alignment, meaning that’s going to grow and you’re going to see more of those machines be all in one as time goes by.
SPEAKER 07 :
I see what you’re saying. That makes sense. That kind of fills out the blanks for me.
SPEAKER 19 :
Yeah, and it’s sort of like scan tools. Back in the day, Don, you’d have one scan tool that would do one thing, and then you’d have to go have another scan tool that would do something else, and then those started to be combined to where they would do everything in one. The same thing is happening in the alignment world.
SPEAKER 07 :
Okay, okay. Hey, John, have you heard of this slate pickup truck?
SPEAKER 19 :
Yes, I have.
SPEAKER 07 :
What do you think about that?
SPEAKER 19 :
I don’t know. That’s the Amazon truck where you can kind of assemble as needed, I guess you could say, or order as needed and then change things around even once you own it. I don’t know. I’ve just read about it. I’ve seen pictures. I have not seen one in person.
SPEAKER 07 :
I don’t think they’re building them yet, are they?
SPEAKER 19 :
Well, that’s a great – I think what they’re saying is they’re going to start shipping. I’m looking this up right now.
SPEAKER 09 :
It says 2027, upcoming electric.
SPEAKER 19 :
It’s going to be a couple of years, yeah.
SPEAKER 09 :
Okay, okay.
SPEAKER 19 :
I mean, again, a lot of times I say I haven’t seen one. A lot of times you’ll see these things at a lot of the trade shows and things that we go to way in advance, four or five years in advance, but I have not seen this one in person. Okay, okay. Personally speaking, it’s as ugly as sin.
SPEAKER 07 :
Oh, yeah. It won’t win any beauty contests. No.
SPEAKER 09 :
But I think you need one, and you should preorder it.
SPEAKER 19 :
Can you order it on Amazon? I’m guessing. I think that’s the idea. I think you’re going to order them through Amazon, I believe.
SPEAKER 07 :
Is that right? I think so.
SPEAKER 19 :
I think that’s the whole idea, yeah. Do you have any idea what they’re going to cost? I think they’re slated to be under $20,000 or somewhere in that neighborhood. Don’t quote me on that because, again, all the things you’re going to see are preliminary, so I don’t know.
SPEAKER 09 :
It says $2,800 on USA Today. $2,800 or $1,000? $28,000, sorry.
SPEAKER 1 :
$28,000.
SPEAKER 09 :
That’s still pretty cheap for a little truck-shaped thing. Under $30,000.
SPEAKER 19 :
Okay, so under $30,000.
SPEAKER 09 :
And that’s, I’m sure, a base model.
SPEAKER 07 :
Yeah, yeah. And the body panels are all plastic.
SPEAKER 19 :
Now, what’s going to be interesting to see is with the changes that were in the new bill, the big, beautiful bill, and the discontinuing September 30th in the federal rebates, you’re going to see some states do some different things. But as far as the $7,500 credit, tax credit that’s there at the dealership level, that’s ending September 30th. So it’ll be interesting, Don, to see if some of these things continue on with that ending. Yeah.
SPEAKER 07 :
Yeah, it’s not a real good start for them to have to go into the environment.
SPEAKER 19 :
No, they’re coming in now where they’ll have to sell that at their full price and sell it for what it is with no quote-unquote rebates.
SPEAKER 07 :
Yeah, yeah, it’ll be a little tougher for them.
SPEAKER 19 :
Correct.
SPEAKER 07 :
It’ll be interesting to follow along. I find that stuff fascinating.
SPEAKER 19 :
No, I do as well. As you know, new technology, all that. Yeah, absolutely.
SPEAKER 07 :
Now, you have an electric car. You have a little bit bigger model now, don’t you?
SPEAKER 19 :
Equinox.
SPEAKER 07 :
Yeah, Equinox. Have you been happy with it?
SPEAKER 19 :
I can’t pry it out of my wife, so she drives it far more than I do. She loves it. I mean, literally for what she does and how we use it, yeah, for us, and I know everybody can be really critical or not of EVs, but the way we use an EV, would I own another one? Absolutely. Yes, absolutely. Absolutely.
SPEAKER 07 :
Yeah, I think for city driving, for errands and that kind of thing, I think it makes a lot of sense.
SPEAKER 19 :
I think she’s forgot how to use a gas pump.
SPEAKER 10 :
Nice. How do I do that again?
SPEAKER 19 :
I mean, literally, because it’s one of those things where when she starts to get low, she just plugs in, and she probably only charges up every third or fourth day, Don, or so. And for her, yeah, it works fabulous. Just because it’s easy, probably.
SPEAKER 04 :
It’s a piece of cake. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
SPEAKER 19 :
And the other thing, and this is something I always remind people of, especially during the weekly show, because a lot of the conservative side just hates EVs because of the way government, and I don’t agree, government did that completely wrong, should have let that car, those cars stand on their own, compete on their own. They shouldn’t have had any of the tax credits and so on. Anytime you try to force someone to buy something, it doesn’t end well, nor has it here. Now, all that being said, do they serve a purpose? Absolutely. Are they one of the most fun vehicles you’ll ever drive? Absolutely. Absolutely, because the acceleration is immediate.
SPEAKER 07 :
Oh, yeah. I guess they flat go. They do.
SPEAKER 19 :
If you like performance, you’ll like driving one. Let’s just say that.
SPEAKER 07 :
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, I’ve read about them Tesla Plaid models, and holy moly.
SPEAKER 19 :
Just a standard Tesla run isn’t the right way to say it. A Tesla is very fast, period. Let’s say it that way.
SPEAKER 07 :
Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Well, always a pleasure talking with you, Don.
SPEAKER 19 :
You too, Don. Appreciate you very much. George, hang tight. We’ll come back to you in a moment. Again, Drive Radio, lines open 303-477-5600. Don’t go anywhere. We’ll be right back. This is Drive Radio, KLZ 560.
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Maybe you can drive my car. And maybe I love you.
SPEAKER 19 :
All right, we are back. Drive Radio KLZ 560. Myself, Ken Rackley, Tunetech Automotive. Mark from Accountable up in Broomfield. Charlie Grimes, our engineer. And Larry Unger answering phones. Lines are open 303-477-5600. Text line as well, which I should probably check, 307-282-22. 307-282-22. Question of the day, as the song we just heard a moment ago. What is your… favorite uh either car song or song you like listening to while you’re in the car maybe on a road trip whatever and charlie’s you know weaving some of these in on a side note if you would like to listen to more of that type of music charlie is in charge of what we do on legends which is i gotta make sure i do this right 8 10 a.m and 95 3 fm so if you like some of that music and you’d like to hear that on a more routine basis listen to our Sister Station Legends, and Charlie puts all that music together for them, for us, on a daily basis as well. George and Aurora, you’re next. Hey, guys, really great show.
SPEAKER 06 :
Great topics, great call-ins from the other people. No, thanks. Especially when you start talking about the acceleration of these EVs. It’s under the speed of light.
SPEAKER 19 :
And thank you for saying that, George, because I think there’s a lot of folks that because of the way government did things and the way some of the states even did things, especially, you know, Colorado and such, EVs got a really bad rap because they were being force fed, which never works well in a capitalistic environment. So at the end of the day, though, is the vehicle itself bad? No, is the answer. They’re great drivers.
SPEAKER 11 :
Yeah. Yeah. It just depends on what you’re using. Exactly. Yeah.
SPEAKER 19 :
It’s the freaking driver.
SPEAKER 11 :
Thank you.
SPEAKER 19 :
That’s unfortunate. And then that applies to even non-EVs at times. So, yes, but I understand what you’re saying.
SPEAKER 06 :
Absolutely. It applies to anybody that’s behind a steering wheel. You got it. It’s unfortunate. But the topic of the day, which was the songs when you’re driving in the car, hands down, there is no doubt. The Beach Boys, 409, Shut Down, Little Deuce Coupe, you name it. I mean, and this stuff lives on forever. And you’re probably in the older generation. I’m sure a couple of years older than you. But there was something else. It’s, you know, back on the EV acceleration thing, I just happened to remind myself of something about the book. 50 Yards to the Outhouse by Willie Makeit, illustrated by Betty Walsh. Good one. Good one. Willie Makeit.
SPEAKER 04 :
Love it.
SPEAKER 06 :
Love it. Illustrated by Betty Walsh. I love it. I love it, George. Now, one other last thing. I’m sure you’ve been more than you’re sure of, you know, the old classic cars. car shows, and my dad had what I called the 58 Olds Chromobile.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah.
SPEAKER 06 :
A gorgeous four-door with the champagne mist was the name of the color on the car.
SPEAKER 04 :
Gold.
SPEAKER 06 :
Now, if I pronounce his name right, Harley Earl was the one that designed all this stuff way back when.
SPEAKER 19 :
He was a GM guy.
SPEAKER 06 :
That’s right. He was only one person, and you mentioned the name, that had more chrome put on the cars than the Oldsmobile. You mentioned it. The Buick Roadmaster. So when you open up the trunk, you know what you find? The standard. There’s a welding helmet in there. So you take that out and you put that on because when there’s so much sun reflecting off the side of that vehicle, you wouldn’t be blinded. No, you’re right. You’re right. If they took all the chrome off that Buick, and I looked at a picture yesterday on the Internet, I mean, You can’t believe, I mean, and once again, another one of those vehicles where you could put how many people in the trunk to go to the drive-in? Oh, a lot. A lot.
SPEAKER 19 :
Half a dozen at least.
SPEAKER 06 :
What a great show.
SPEAKER 19 :
And, George, really quick, you just reminded me of something I was thinking of the other day. I was looking at, I don’t know, I was looking somewhere online looking for something. I’m always doing something, you know, car-related and such. I was thinking that when we were kids building cars, you know, chrome shops were a big deal. There’d be half a dozen in any town, even here in Denver. And, you know, you took all sorts of different pieces and, you know, brackets and different things that were even on the engine.
SPEAKER 09 :
Even the inner fenders.
SPEAKER 19 :
In a lot of cases, guys would chrome the whole inner fender of a car because they were steel back then. And I’m thinking, man, you know, we’ve lost all of that. Nobody does near the chrome stuff. In fact, the trend now is to not have chrome. chrome, have everything painted the same on a car. There’s very little chrome now, and that’s not the way it was when we were kids.
SPEAKER 11 :
You know, I was that way as a kid, and, you know, the last 20 years, I don’t want to see a piece of chrome on a car. I’m that same way. I’m like you. I don’t want to see any of it.
SPEAKER 19 :
I’ve gone the other way, too. Yeah, yeah. But as a kid, I would send stuff to the chrome shop, George.
SPEAKER 06 :
It’s powder coating now, and I had to take stuff from my Pantera down. To the guys, and so they do the exhaust systems too, like the ceramic coating on the inside and outside of the headers. Right. But there are so many people that do powder coating now, and they’re not using the chrome. Nope.
SPEAKER 19 :
And a lot of that, and not to get sidetracked here, but a lot of the chrome end of things, I believe, you know, what really, you know, you blame that one on government because they got so tight EPA did on the chrome shops and all of the hazardous materials that were there and so on that literally it’s more EPA related, I believe, as to why we don’t see the chrome we once did because all the chrome shops for the most part are gone. Yeah. I could not disagree with you more.
SPEAKER 11 :
You are so correct. Plastic chrome doesn’t keep. No, it doesn’t last. Flakes off. That’s why I don’t want it.
SPEAKER 19 :
I’m like George. I’d rather have a powder-coated or painted. I don’t want the chrome anymore.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah, right. Yeah.
SPEAKER 06 :
So those guys down there, Christine, it’s down there off of Santa Fe and Union, I think it is, you talk about busy people. OMG. And right next to them is the old Acme Auto radiator and gas tank. I mean, do you think I used them? You better believe I did. Because when you’ve got a car that’s 1907-ish and you want to make sure that you’ve got a cooling system and a gas tank that is pristine, so to speak. You talk about old school. It looks like the clock stopped 1930s, 1940s. You couldn’t see anything that was more nostalgic. Do you have a favorite old-time car, John? Me? Let me ask.
SPEAKER 19 :
yeah oh man um that’s not a fair question no there’s two there’s so many that you know when you say favorite it’s like wow i think it depends on what for me yeah the build the car the era all of that um you know it’s it that’s a tough call george what side of the bed you got up on yeah there’s too many there’s too many good ones i guess that’s that’s the issue there’s you know there’s just too many good ones
SPEAKER 06 :
I saw a picture on the internet of a 59 old star fire convertible. You talk about a knockoff, a knockout. I mean, What a gorgeous piece. And the color, too, depends. If you get the right color, I mean, it makes all the difference of whether it looks good. Definitely. Definitely. So that’s all I have to say. Oh, you’re great. No, great. Great trip down memory lane, George.
SPEAKER 19 :
Thank you. Appreciate you, man, very much. Thank you very much. And, yeah, I was thinking of that the other day. I don’t know what made me. George Collin didn’t really refresh my memory, but this past week I was thinking, you know, back in the day, a lot of the cars, Chevy, Ford, whatever, you know, we had all the cross supports where you’d go from the side of the fender to the nose of the car, you know, to the radiator support of the car. And everybody back in the day, whether they were, you know, tubed, whether they were a flat piece of steel, all those got chrome back in the day.
SPEAKER 11 :
Yeah, chrome hinges, chrome hood hinges. All that. Exactly. Door handles.
SPEAKER 19 :
The latch assembly for the car, you know, for the hood. Right.
SPEAKER 11 :
Right, exactly.
SPEAKER 19 :
You’d chrome all that stuff back in the day. It was very common. You’d open the hood, and there’d be all this chrome everywhere. Yeah, right. Not anymore.
SPEAKER 11 :
And I got away from that early, well, probably late 80s. Well, probably early 90s. Yeah, me too. Because it was so hard to keep clean. Yep. And, you know, you get a flat.
SPEAKER 19 :
Well, and the chrome, this is me, the chrome itself, you know, back in the day you used to do the triple plating and all of that. Man, it just had depth to it. Sure, yeah. And the chrome was solid and it didn’t hardly rust. And it was just a really solid product. And I think, Ken, what started happening is that, again, EPA-wise, you couldn’t do as much of that.
SPEAKER 04 :
Could be.
SPEAKER 19 :
And the chrome itself I don’t think was as good. Yeah, the quality wasn’t as good. And so the care of it became harder and harder. And so I got to the point where I was like, I just want this stuff painted.
SPEAKER 11 :
Or alloy. Right. It’s easier. I mean, hey, order aluminum timing cover. Right. You know, I mean, just get everything aluminum.
SPEAKER 19 :
Well, and the other thing I learned back then, which, again, you learn from your mistakes, is a lot of the chrome on engines. What? From valve covers to timing covers and so on, frankly, doesn’t work so well because the heat and the chrome, they warp and they do things that you don’t get out of the painted alternative. Right. And I learned through the years that while that chrome stuff looks great, it doesn’t work real well in real life when it comes to the engine itself.
SPEAKER 11 :
Exactly. Or sealing those components to the engine is just… Yeah, or rear diff covers. They’re junk. Oh, yeah.
SPEAKER 19 :
They’re junk. Yeah, don’t do anything chrome on that end of things. If you want to do an alloy or heavy aluminum or whatever, that’s fine. But the chrome oil pans, the chrome transmission pans, the chrome differentials, that stuff was crap.
SPEAKER 11 :
Yeah, exactly. I just put it on three weeks ago. It was garbage. Look at how much oil is underneath it. Oh, it leaked. Chrome oil filters back in the day.
SPEAKER 19 :
They were all junk. Don’t use any of that stuff. They were all garbage. Even then, they were garbage. Now, the trim pieces and so on, that was a different deal.
SPEAKER 04 :
Sure, sure.
SPEAKER 19 :
But no, I was thinking that the other day. It’s like, man, we did a lot of chrome back in the day when I was a kid that you just don’t see. You don’t even buy it that way anymore. No, exactly. Anyways, all right. We’ll come back in a minute. Don’t go anywhere, guys. Myself, Ken Rackley, Mark Guernsey. We’ll be right back. Drive Radio, KLZ 560.
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SPEAKER 19 :
All right. On the text line, somebody said, beep, beep, the little Nash Rambler. Charlie, if we can find that one, we’ll play that if we can. That’s a pretty popular one. So, again, question of the day. What’s your favorite either car song or song you enjoy playing while you’re driving? And we even had somebody, you know, our last caller commenting on Beach Boys and all of that. Okay, somebody’s asking me, can I answer this one on air or not? Need some advice on a Porsche. Okay, here are the two to own, maintain, cost of ownership, and so on. You know what? I can talk about some of this. I’ll answer this one specifically off air as well. But somebody’s asking me when it comes like a Porsche Macan, for example, how does it compare to some of the other SUVs and so on, cost of ownership and so on. Well, I’ll just tell you straight up. First of all, if it’s got Porsche on it, it’s going to cost more to own.
SPEAKER 04 :
Sure.
SPEAKER 19 :
Period. So I’ll just tell you that straight up. So if you’re looking at like an SUV or you’re looking like a Macan or a Cayenne and you’re comparing that to some of the other SUVs that are out there, nothing against Porsche. I’m not dogging them. This is not that conversation.
SPEAKER 10 :
Cost what it costs.
SPEAKER 19 :
But yeah, but your cost of ownership. is going to be higher. So you can buy that as an SUV. You can buy the BMW or the Mercedes. And guess what? Cost of ownership on any of those three is going to be higher than, say, owning a Toyota Highlander. Sure.
SPEAKER 09 :
And by higher, that could be four to ten times higher. Right. Right, exactly. The initial cost. Not just a little bit more expensive.
SPEAKER 11 :
Right, exactly, yeah. Oh, great point, Mark. They’re great cars. Yeah.
SPEAKER 09 :
They’re nice.
SPEAKER 19 :
Even simple things, folks, like oil changes. Sure. Battery replacement.
SPEAKER 09 :
Yeah.
SPEAKER 19 :
Alignments.
SPEAKER 09 :
Even brakes. Yeah.
SPEAKER 19 :
Any of the common things. Tires.
SPEAKER 09 :
Yeah.
SPEAKER 19 :
Some of the common things that you would think, oh, that shouldn’t be too expensive, it’s To Mark’s point, it could be, and he’s not exaggerating, it could be 10 times what you would normally pay for another car to have some of those things done. So here’s the thing. If you can afford that, knock your socks off. If that’s what you want to drive and you can afford it, I will never tell anybody don’t own that. If you can afford it, but here’s what I also would say. If you buy it… Don’t complain about the cost of ownership after buying it because it’s going to be more money than something else of like kind in another brand of car. And, folks, that includes even going to the Hyundai, Kia, Toyota, Nissan, Chevrolet, Ford. I mean, I can go down the list of all the other models of cars. Because in that particular end of things, every manufacturer has a car that fits that. Right. That midsize, that’s why Porsche even has a small and a midsize or even a full-size SUV because it’s one of the hottest things in the market to own. So they all have them. In fact, Porsche has the least amount of options even compared to BMW and Mercedes. Both of them will have five or six different models plus options on those models. But I mean actual models, they’ll have four to six different models in that range. Porsche has two. So every other manufacturer has a multitude of cars in that particular range to compete in that market. But again, nothing against Porsche. Great car, great manufacturer and all that. But get your credit card out.
SPEAKER 11 :
If you already don’t want to pay more to own it, it’s probably not the vehicle for you if you’re looking at a cost.
SPEAKER 19 :
And something to think about, and in this particular case, this is a – make sure that I’m looking at this correctly. I believe it’s a 2017. Now, this is something to think about, too. The older they get – and this is something that Mark and Ken can both talk about – but the older that they get – it gets a little bit even more expensive to own and maintain. So in this particular case, the car itself is $20,000, but it’s got 94,000 miles on it, so it’s getting close to $100,000. Meaning, if it hasn’t had all of the major maintenance done on it, on that particular car, and I’m not exaggerating, you could spend $5,000 on a maintenance package on that alone.
SPEAKER 09 :
Per visit. Am I right? You expect to pay $5,000 a year minimum. Yeah.
SPEAKER 19 :
So now the car is $25,000, not $20,000.
SPEAKER 09 :
I’ve had a customer come in and say, I got this great deal on a high mileage. I’m like, no, you didn’t.
SPEAKER 10 :
You can’t afford to keep it running.
SPEAKER 19 :
You bought somebody else’s problem that they knew was going to be that way, so they sold it.
SPEAKER 11 :
At $100,000, they’re going to need a lot. They got tired of paying for it. Yeah.
SPEAKER 19 :
My own – I’m sorry to say, but if this were me and I was looking at this particular vehicle, I would either try to buy much newer with a lot less miles or go buy something else that’s this mileage but in somebody else’s brand. Sure. Outside of the European – in other words, I wouldn’t go buy a BMW or a Mercedes because you’re in the same boat.
SPEAKER 09 :
Yeah, it’s the same.
SPEAKER 19 :
I would go buy something that is either American, Japanese, whatever. And I know people are going to say, you’d really go buy an American car over those? Yeah, all day long. All day, every day for me too.
SPEAKER 09 :
All day long. They have a nicer ride, but you’re going to pay for it. Yeah, and you’re going to pay a lot more to keep that ride going.
SPEAKER 19 :
And if you have any kind of a repair that comes up, so all of a sudden the check engine light comes on. that particular car will be, to Mark’s point, maybe not 10 times, but you’re going to be at least three to four times more fixing that particular problem with even the light being on. Even the initial diagnosis of that light being on is going to cost you a lot more money than it would on any of the other counterparts.
SPEAKER 11 :
And finding somebody that will service that vehicle, too. That becomes harder, yeah. Yeah, that’s another game.
SPEAKER 19 :
Because of the specialized tools required, every shop doesn’t have. It’s like, you know, good friend Jeff over at JC’s. He does all the Range Rover work in town outside of the dealer. And he’ll be the first to tell you that, yeah, we have tools and things much like the dealer, but his labor rate and his cost of doing things… on that particular vehicle is much higher than Ken and Mark working on the Chevy counterpart. Sure.
SPEAKER 04 :
Certainly. There’s no comparison.
SPEAKER 19 :
It’s double to go get that Range Rover worked on versus the, you know, you take, for example, a Range Rover Sport versus a Tahoe. Your cost of ownership on the Range Rover is going to be four to five times higher than a Tahoe.
SPEAKER 11 :
And probably about one and a half times more in the shop.
SPEAKER 19 :
physically being there time-wise.
SPEAKER 11 :
Physically being there, correct, yeah.
SPEAKER 19 :
No, yeah, thank you for that as well. So, again, for all of you that are listening, I’m not against – I’m a car advocate. You guys all know it’s why I talk about EVs the way I do. I’m the advocate for the car itself, and every car is unique and does – no, there are some really bad cars. I will say that, and I’m not talking about those. But generally speaking, it’s not the car. It’s usually the driver, the owner, the lack of maintenance, whatever. And a lot of times people buy the wrong car, thinking that I’m buying the right car, but they forget about some of these things that we’re talking about now when it comes to total cost of ownership. And while it’s great to say, I own a Porsche, well, yeah, that’s fine. Do you have the wallet able to support owning said vehicle?
SPEAKER 11 :
Exactly. And that comes with any vehicle, really, but it’s just a whole heck of a lot more with the Euros.
SPEAKER 19 :
It’s even true, you know, we were just talking to our last caller, George, even about some of the older vehicles, which, as you guys all know, you know, I own some older vehicles. I’ve worked through some of what my dad had in his collection and so on. And I will just tell you that while it sounds great to own an older vehicle. and your initial investment may not be that great, but I can work on it, and you’re going to. Oh, we’re sure. So, yeah, that’s fine. Yeah, you can, and you will.
SPEAKER 10 :
Yeah, right. Every weekend. Yeah, right. In some cases. That will become your job. That will be your job, yes. Exactly.
SPEAKER 11 :
Outside of your work.
SPEAKER 19 :
We’re laughing, but it’s just true because those older vehicles just require a lot more to keep them on the road than what the new vehicles do. And it’s nothing against those old cars. They’re great. But you’re going, I mean, even firing them up and just driving around the block takes a lot of effort versus you just hopping in your normal regular driver and hitting the button and going.
SPEAKER 11 :
And like you were saying earlier, you have to drive those cars. You do. Yeah. Now you just get in and steer, hit the brake.
SPEAKER 19 :
I took one of our old cars out last week, and my wife and I, we drove around the block, and I’m just thinking, oh, man. You pay attention to everything. You are on guard the entire time you’re driving this versus driving a newer vehicle. I say it this way. You steer a new car, you drive an old car. And I don’t think I’m exaggerating when I say that.
SPEAKER 11 :
All senses are active on the older ones.
SPEAKER 19 :
You can be, not that we ever are, but you can almost be half asleep in a new car and get from A to B without a lot of problems because it’s telling you pretty much everything else you need to be doing. Hey, there’s somebody over in your blind spot. Oh, hey there. Make sure you’re braking. I’m going to brake for you. If not, because this guy, you’re getting too close to the guy in front of you.
SPEAKER 10 :
You’re getting close to that line over there.
SPEAKER 19 :
In my Chevy, even your butt vibrates if you get too close. I mean, so many things that tell you what to do when you’re driving that those old cars do not do. And you are literally driving the old car.
SPEAKER 09 :
I drove that 28 Chevy this morning.
SPEAKER 1 :
1928.
SPEAKER 09 :
There’s not even rearview mirrors. There’s no seatbelts, so you’re more cautious. Yeah, right. You’ve got to look out the back windows. You’ve got to adjust the timing on the fly. Your head is on a swivel. Adjust the choke until it warms up a little bit. Right. You’re constantly moving, looking. Yeah.
SPEAKER 19 :
It’s like flying an airplane in a way. You’re doing something all the time to get from A to B in one of those little parts.
SPEAKER 09 :
You are, but you’re focusing. You’re certainly not thinking about texting at the same time. Shoot, no.
SPEAKER 19 :
That phone is like the last thing on your mind at that point in time.
SPEAKER 09 :
Yeah, no way. You don’t even care where it is.
SPEAKER 10 :
It doesn’t matter. I know the feeling, Mark. I’m just having a hard enough time keeping it on the road.
SPEAKER 19 :
No, literally. You are paying so much attention to so many other things that the last thing you’re even thinking about is that phone.
SPEAKER 09 :
Yes, absolutely. Absolutely.
SPEAKER 19 :
Where in a new car, you’re like, you know, no offense, you can be like half asleep. Like I said, you can be half asleep.
SPEAKER 09 :
If you get bored, it’ll drive for you, and you’ll not pay attention.
SPEAKER 19 :
In a lot of cases. All right. We’re having a lot of fun. We’ve got two more hours coming your way. Myself, Mark Guernsey, Ken Rackley. We’ll all be back. Don’t go anywhere. Drive Radio KLZ 560.
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