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Automotive enthusiasts Josh, Justin, and Mark delve into discussions about keeping cars in prime condition. Discover their insights on emissions and maintenance, and learn about the laws in Colorado that affect catalytic converters. Whether it’s debating the merits of adaptive cruise control or lamenting the high cost of modern automotive features, this episode is packed with valuable information for car owners and enthusiasts alike.
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Good morning. It’s Josh with Legacy Automotive and Justin with Ridgeline Auto Brokers and Mark with Accountable Automotive here today. Good morning. Good morning. John is actually at the Mecham auction today, so you won’t be hearing from him today. You’re stuck with us today.
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We’re going to have fun, but I think he’s having a good time too.
SPEAKER 07 :
I think he is. Hopefully he’s not buying another toy, or maybe he is.
SPEAKER 04 :
Did he tell you? Is there anything he was looking at specifically?
SPEAKER 07 :
Not really. He wasn’t talking about anything specific, but you never know. You go to events like that and sometimes you can’t help but come home with something.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah, we did that yesterday, huh? Yeah, we did. Didn’t have anything on the list and still ended up coming home with two from the auction.
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Right. Not nearly as nice as what they have at Mecham. Anyways, how are you doing today, Mark?
SPEAKER 06 :
I’m doing okay. Good. It’s nice to be here on a day that’s not a snow day. First time in a few months. So it’s a nice day out there.
SPEAKER 07 :
Yeah, it is a nice day out there. Hope everybody out there is having fun. Let’s see. John’s at the auction today, and it’s just us, so call in with any topics you have. But anyways, our question today is, what is your favorite car that you don’t usually tell people you like? So if you really love the Pinto, you know, there’s no judgment. You can call in and tell us all about it and tell us why you like that car. So if you have any you’d like to call in and tell us about that, then go for it.
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You know, there’s one car that I always want to buy, and my wife says I can’t buy it.
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What’s that?
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It’s probably a car that I shouldn’t say on the air that I like, too. But there’s something about the second-gen Subaru Forester, specifically in a turbocharged model. I don’t know. Low center of gravity. Great in the snow. Easy to work on. Probably not the most reliable vehicle.
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No.
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You know, out there on the road, but…
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But definitely fun. You’ve got to put a turbocharger in it every once in a while.
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Yep.
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A lot of fun. Not nearly as good a gas mileage as you would expect. No. Always fun.
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No.
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And you could camp in it, too. So that’s always the fun side.
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Yeah, long enough you could car camp in it if you need to.
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Right.
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But we are here today. We’ve got Mark. We’ve got Josh. They’re going to be your technical experts. If you have any questions about car buying, car selling, whether it be from dealerships or private market stuff, I’m here to help out with that.
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Mark, you got a car that you wouldn’t… Well, the car I like that I don’t brag about much is the Honda Element. My kids will not drive it or ride with me while I’m driving it, but if I can throw scuba equipment in the back, just kind of fold the seats up, make a big box out of the back… You know, I love that part of the car.
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Yeah, I love how you have the vinyl floor in there, too.
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Right, right. When all your dive gear is dripping, you just pressure wash the car out. It’s great for that. It’s just a good utility vehicle.
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It is, and you can always pull those seats out. And the way those doors open, you know, has the suicide doors on each side, so you can get in and out there without having to go in the back.
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Yeah, it has some advantages. It does. It’s not super popular, but it’s also got a cult following, so certain people love them.
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It does. It seems like we have quite a following when we get one of those in the shop.
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You know what’s amazing about those vehicles is the resale value.
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Right. Well, partly because they discontinued them and people still want to buy them. A lot of them were well taken care of. And they get good gas mileage, surprisingly, for a box shape. Right. And they can just be fun cars. You sit up high. There’s plenty of space.
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And the Honda reliability that goes with them.
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Exactly.
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You pretty much don’t have to do anything to it.
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They’ll run forever. It’s really easy to crawl under them and steal catalytic converters, as we all know.
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Yeah, we do cat cages. I’m sure you do all day long on those.
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We had to do some of those, but great cars otherwise. Yeah.
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Is yours a stick or is it an automatic? It’s an automatic. Okay. Nice. Four-wheel drive or two?
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I love a stick, but I can’t resell them for enough value, so I don’t want to own them in the first place. But I love to drive a stick otherwise.
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Yeah. It’s a fun car. Absolutely.
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Absolutely.
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So, Mark, we know where your shop is, but maybe tell the listeners what area you’re located in if they have any trouble.
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Okay, so we’re up in the Broomfield area. Most of our clientele either lives or works near Westminster or Broomfield. And we’re not far from the emission station there off of Main Street in Broomfield.
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That’s what me and Justin were talking about, how you’re close to the emissions station. So do you do a lot of emissions failure work?
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You know, we don’t do nearly as much as we used to. And I was also thinking about it. Most of my customers don’t have emissions failures because they do their maintenance. Right. So the work that we do do, it’s a first-time customer every time. Find us through a Google search. We do quite a bit of work. And, yeah, even when we’re done, we’ll take it over to the station, test it, confirm that it passes immediately. and customers are ready to go, and they don’t have to sit in that line. Right. But it’s a convenience.
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That’s a great service that we provide, too. That’s smart. Then you know it’s done, that you fixed it right, too. The check engine light’s not going to come on a week later. Right.
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You still have a problem. We even do that on all the cars before we sell them. I know a lot of those dealers will give you a three-day coupon.
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Yeah, I don’t appreciate that because they’re responsible to make it pass. I think so. If you buy it and it fails, you’re stuck in the middle without a car you can drive.
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Yeah, it doesn’t sound like a fun position.
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No, it’s terrible.
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So you have all the equipment to test everything and –
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We do. We did a lot more emissions testing and repair. We still have all the equipment and the training for it. We just don’t see as much need for it as we did 10 years ago. Right.
SPEAKER 07 :
Yeah. And it’s also good that you brought up the point that if you maintain your car, you’re a lot less likely to have an emissions failure.
SPEAKER 06 :
My current customers rarely have a car come in that fails because they take care of it. And you keep your check engine light off is the biggest thing.
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Exactly.
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Which is an indicator of something going wrong. Yeah, you generally don’t fail.
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Yeah, and keeping your car maintained means your cat lasts a lot longer. Correct. Which is usually one of the big fail points.
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And your gas mileage is better and all the other things. Better gas mileage and all those good things. Yep, absolutely. Exactly.
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I wish we knew what to do about the high price of the catalytic converters. You know, like we bought that Santa Fe recently from a customer that it failed and we couldn’t find an aftermarket or factory cab for the vehicle. So now you just got a car that’s kind of dead in the water.
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Right.
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I wish we could do something with our administration to fix this so that we can keep some of these older cars that are good, reliable cars still on the road.
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Yeah, and for those out there, people that don’t know, in Colorado, we have to put on CARB-certified cats. So Colorado Air Research Board cats. We have the same laws as California when it comes to our cats. So that brings the price of our cats up almost double or sometimes triple what they would be if we didn’t have to put CARB-certified cats on there. So it becomes an issue. A lot of people need cheaper cars, and the reason that car is gone is because that cat is bad, and they have to not repair the car. And we can’t repair the car at a reasonable price for people at times.
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But I will argue a little bit on the other side of that is we had a lot of catalytic converters stolen for a while, and warranty companies – would only pay for a cheap cat that may not last for more than a month or two. Right. So I like the fact that it holds them accountable. If you’re going to fix a car, replace it with the part that was stolen or that failed, not with some Chinese cheap version of that part that’s not going to last you long term. Exactly.
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The eBay one’s not going to last very long? Yeah.
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I’ve seen them fail in two weeks on a Jeep. It’s terrible. Right.
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Or sooner.
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Or some others, yeah.
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So we had… I’ll go to Jeff here. Jeff, can you hear us?
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I can. Good morning, guys. Good morning. I was wondering if you were going to be live because Fix-It Radio was replayed, but good to hear you live.
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Well, thank you.
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You bet. Yeah, regarding the car, I’m going to set the bar low. Do you remember the… TV show, The Rat Patrol, back in the late 60s. I don’t know if you’re old enough to remember that.
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I don’t remember that one. I’ve seen some replays, but it’s been a while.
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Yeah, it was a bunch of guys, GIs. It was about the North Africa campaign in World War II. And they would ride around the desert in the sand in Jeeps with machine guns mounted on the back and, you know, do all sorts of things with that. But my thought was when the Gremlin came, or, yeah, the Gremlin came out Um, what if he mounted one on the back of that? It had a seat back there and went down the road. I mean, it was kind of a stupid thing, but, uh, I just thought as a, as a young, dumb 20 year old, wow, that would really be cool to have a Gremlin with a, a, uh, machine gun brownie machine gun on the back yeah that would be those came with all-wheel drive and a little bit of clearance didn’t they yeah exactly yeah you wouldn’t have to worry about road rage no right and it’s ugly as that car is i don’t know if anybody want to they probably want to shoot back just to put out its misery sometimes but yeah uh last week i think it was john from shanahan was talking about automatic cruise control and coming down from uh Eisenhower tunnel and how he didn’t have to touch the gas or the brakes one time because it took care of everything. And then it was wonderful. But he made an intimation there that, yeah, by doing that, he saved the brakes. And he might have, but he might not have, because those automatic cruise controls, I’ve noticed that if they have to stop, if the downshifting doesn’t take care of it, they will apply the brakes.
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They will, but they usually tell you like when you, when they do the emergency break, they, they put a big line on the desk that says breaks, breaks, breaks, and they start beeping at you when they apply the brakes. I haven’t had the automatic ones apply the brakes, you know, without it kind of being an emergency stop on them.
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On my point, I can’t, I can’t say that it definitely does, but on my 2019 Ridgeline, um, Its adaptation is kind of flawed in that it doesn’t anticipate as early as I would like, so it’ll get a little bit closer, and then it’ll have to slow down quickly, and it does apply the brakes. I don’t get any indication.
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Oh, it doesn’t on that?
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Yeah, and I have had that happen, too. We have a long hill that we have to go down when we go from here to Missoula, and it downshifts, but that’s not enough, and so it Dave Kuntz, does have to apply the brakes and again I don’t get any indication of that so just a word of caution if you’re relying on you have a long trip downhill like like from the Eisenhower tunnel down into the valley there um. Just be careful that your automatic system isn’t using the brakes as well because you could come up with hot brakes and try to stop, and all of a sudden you have no brakes. That happened to me one time, and it was as scary as can be when I stopped. The brakes were smoking.
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That was with the same car?
SPEAKER 05 :
No, no, no. That was years ago.
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Just an old car that somebody kept the brakes on too long?
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Okay. And I wasn’t thinking, and I applied the brakes. Sure, sure. I was downshifting, but I was also applying brakes. And when we got to the bottom, there was definitely smoke.
SPEAKER 06 :
I believe the automatic cruise control will avoid that intentionally. But, yeah, no, it makes sense that it could use it at times. But the more stuff’s getting automated, the more it tries to manage it for you.
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Right. It’s amazing what they can do now.
SPEAKER 05 :
Yeah, so I don’t know that that was the case for John or not, but it’s just something to think about. When you’re relying on automation, rely on it cautiously. There’s a reason why you need to have a person in the middle because even in this automated AI world, we still provide some value.
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We do.
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Absolutely.
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And when you drive all the cars with all those features, a lot of times you have to correct it quite often.
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Yeah, I mean, I love the adaptive cruise control. I absolutely love it. It works very well for us with a few little quirks, like I mentioned. But overall, yeah, it does what it’s supposed to do. And I just… You still have to be the driver. You can’t let the car be the driver, at least not at this point.
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Like you said, you still have to have the human in the chain.
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Absolutely. Now, I’ve also really… Oh, go ahead.
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No, I just said we’re not dispensable yet.
SPEAKER 06 :
Oh, not at all. Not at all. Biggest thing I’ve noticed is the price of windshields have gone up much more expensive now that we have that adaptive cruise control. And even getting a chip or a crack in the wrong spot, you lose your adaptive cruise control, and your windshield’s now $12,000 to $2,000 versus the $300, $400 it used to be. Exactly. So that’s a cost of having that feature. Yeah, it is.
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Yeah. Yeah. As a matter of fact, I was going to ask, do you know the next time that John’s going to have anybody from Novus Glass Repair?
SPEAKER 07 :
I haven’t seen it on the schedule yet. Okay. Yeah, I’m sure they should be up pretty soon.
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Yeah, and Larry can also give you his phone number if you want to call him directly, but he gets on here quite a bit.
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Yeah, he does. Sounds good.
SPEAKER 05 :
Yeah, no, this is more of an auto question. I had a really… nasty, almost complete circle, about an inch in diameter, or maybe even a little bit bigger crack when a rock hit our windshield. And I had them seal. I put tape over it immediately, and they sealed it. But it’s still very evident. And I’m wondering, I was going to ask what the success rate is for the larger cracks. Now, you have a tiny little shift. They can make that visible. But something that’s fairly large, Yeah, they’ll stop it from spreading, but how good are they at making it disappear? That’s one of my idle curiosity questions more than anything else.
SPEAKER 07 :
Well, we need to go on break real quick. Do you want us to put you on hold, or do you want to call back later?
SPEAKER 05 :
No, that was about it.
SPEAKER 07 :
All right. Thank you.
SPEAKER 04 :
Thanks, Jens. Thank you.
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We’re back. It’s Josh with Legacy Automotive and Mark with Accountable Automotive and Justin with Ridgeland Automotive. And we’re going to go to the phones. We’ve got Eric with a car buying question.
SPEAKER 11 :
Yeah, hey, I’ve got a question for you guys. Why are the dealers here locally so afraid to do special orders or unique orders?
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What are you trying to order? So…
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My nephew’s got a 2017 power wagon that was wrecked here recently. He wants a new one. But instead of paying $90,000 for new power wagons, there’s a hack, so to speak, to buying a power wagon cheaper to save about $30,000. You basically go on a Ram’s website, you order a Tradesman, which is the base model, and then you order the power wagon package. As you spec out the vehicle, you come out to about $65,000 versus $90,000. And nobody here in Colorado will bring one of these in, and he talked to pretty much all the dealers in the metro area, and nobody will touch it. They’re like, yeah, no, we’re not interested in doing that. And this weekend, he just flew down to Galveston and picked up one in Galveston, and he’s driving it home because apparently these are a common order in the southeast.
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You know, some of the dealers can do a dealer trade, but I think the problem the new dealers are having right now is they’re not selling a whole lot of cars and they have an influx of inventory. A lot of these dealers don’t necessarily own that inventory. They’re paying interest on it as well. They’re trying to offload as much of the new inventory that they have on the ground now before they bring something in. Sometimes with those special orders, too, is, you know, someone might, you know, walk away from it or, you know, God forbid, maybe they don’t have the credit to buy it after it hits the ground. And then the dealer is still stuck with it because they ordered it. But I know what you’re doing. I’ve looked into, you know, a special order and a truck for me and my wife, you know, with more basic features, but has the reliability of what we want. So I definitely know that the way you’re going, are you guys planning on going down south to get one?
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Yeah, he’s down there this weekend picking it up. Oh, cool. It was one that he went on because he went on Ram’s website, specced what he wanted, and then did a search. It was nothing within 500 miles of Denver. And then so he went nationwide, and he found some in Florida, some in Texas. And he talked to a dealer in Texas. He found the one he wanted that said in-transit. And he wired them here about four weeks ago. He wired them $500 of the down payment on it, you know, to hold it. And then they called him a week and a half ago and said, hey, the truck’s here. And arrangements were made. And he flew down Friday. They actually sent somebody to pick him up at the airport in Houston and brought him to the dealer. And they finalized everything. They stayed late Friday afternoon and finalized everything. And the only downside to doing this is, you know, the Power Wagon comes with, I think, 35s, and the Tradesman only comes with 32s, I think it is. So, you know, when you buy it, it looks like it skipped leg day.
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Yeah.
SPEAKER 11 :
I mean, when you look at pictures of them online, and there’s a bunch of videos on YouTube about it, that’s how he found out about doing this. Because, like I say, his got totaled here a couple months ago, and he’s been like, you know, the insurance gave him enough for a healthy down payment. But he’s like, I just don’t want to spend $90,000 type thing. And, you know, and somebody told him about doing this, and he went online and found out about it. And that’s one of the things they point out. So he put, you know, like I say, he bought it. He was driving this morning as soon as he left. Left the hotel. He had arrangements made to go and get new tires put on it. And then he’s going to make the drive home. He should be back probably late tomorrow night with it. But, like I say, he talked to, I think he talked to every dealer in the metro area. And nobody would touch it. And I said, well, what about like the Springs or something like that or follow one of the brokers? And he’s like, oh, you know, because I just, he says, I’m just leery now of dealing with anybody on this since everybody keeps telling me no.
SPEAKER 07 :
Right. Yeah, and it’s nice that they had it built so he didn’t have to, you know, spec it out and wait for it, too, because who knows how long that could take.
SPEAKER 04 :
Oh, yeah, two, three months for them to build it out for him. Well, you’ve got to at least tell him congratulations for us. Maybe he gets a nice road trip out of it at least.
SPEAKER 11 :
Well, that’s exactly. Like I told him, I said, by the time he gets back, I says, you know, he was going to call today and get an appointment. He lives down there, a dealer down in Littleton. So he was going to call today while he was on his way back and schedule an appointment for Monday to get it in for him. He says, you know, the oil change isn’t due until 5,000. He goes, I want it changed sooner than that. So he’s going to get it in, get an oil change done as soon as he gets back, and have some other stuff checked out on it. But, you know, he was surprised that nobody would. Because, you know, when he looked online, like there’s dealers in Florida that show they have four or five in stock. And then a lot of these dealers show three, four, five in transits.
SPEAKER 07 :
to them but it seems like it’s like a southeast type thing that they order these in it’s weird and that’s what we see sometimes there’s a lot of trucks that sell regionally that don’t sell in colorado you know and a lot of these dealers will will spec out a truck you know you’ll see texas edition rams and stuff like that where they spec it out for the market down there it’s probably the guys up here didn’t want to touch it because like justin said they were afraid they were going to get stuck with it because i think they’re already what 90 days They’re sitting on trucks.
SPEAKER 04 :
Last article I read, there’s so much new car inventory right now. If anyone’s looking to buy a new car, you’ve got some negotiating power right now. Not so much on the used stuff, but the new stuff. Definitely.
SPEAKER 11 :
Well, and that’s what he even, he had even contemplated because we were talking about that. And I said, well, why don’t you go just find a loaded new one and see what kind of deal you can get on it. And, you know, he’s like, you know, he went and talked to a couple of different places and they would come down a little bit, but, He’s like, you know, he goes, I’m basically going to save enough to cover my airfare, my registration, tires, et cetera. You know, he’s saving almost 30 grand.
SPEAKER 10 :
He’s being smart.
SPEAKER 11 :
Yeah, yeah, exactly. You know, I mean, he I don’t know how much he got for his down or, you know, from the insurance on his other one. But, you know, like you said, it’s enough to where it covered all of his expenses, you know, and then with the savings and whatnot, it made it worthwhile.
SPEAKER 07 :
Yeah, and he couldn’t even wait to get home before he swapped out those tires.
SPEAKER 04 :
He didn’t even want to wear that set out first.
SPEAKER 11 :
But like I said, a power wagon comes with 35s from the factory, and this is coming with, like I said, I think it’s 32s. 31s or 32s, I forget. Okay, 33s.
SPEAKER 04 :
A power wagon cannot have 32s. I understand why he had to swap them out right away. It’s not a power wagon without those 35s on it.
SPEAKER 07 :
No, it looks like some roller skates on it.
SPEAKER 11 :
Yeah, because if you go online and look at pictures of these trucks, there’s a video when he was telling me about this a month and a half ago, and I was like, I’ve never heard of this. So I went online and was kind of looking at some stuff, and there’s a video this guy was showing of doing one or showing one at a dealer in Florida, and he says, it comes with 32s because it really looks sad. And he showed it sitting next to a regular power wagon. And, and it’s like, yeah, that, that really looks weird. It really does. Yeah. But anyhow, yeah, no, that was my question was, you know, is why the dealers up here, I mean, I guess since they’re all sitting on inventory, I could see that, but
SPEAKER 04 :
That’s the only thing I can think of.
SPEAKER 07 :
Exactly. Well, thanks for that hack. Letting us know how you can get one for cheaper now. We’re going to go on break now.
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SPEAKER 04 :
For everyone just listening, John’s out, but we’ve got Mark from Accountable, Josh from Legacy Automotive and Ridgeline Auto Brokers, and then myself, Justin, from Ridgeline Auto Brokers. We’re here to answer any of your questions or remind us. What’s the question of the day?
SPEAKER 07 :
The question of the day is, Basically, what car do you love but you’re kind of ashamed to admit that you love it?
SPEAKER 04 :
You haven’t told us yours yet.
SPEAKER 07 :
There’s too many of them. That’s the problem.
SPEAKER 1 :
Oh.
SPEAKER 04 :
What about this Pontiac G5 that you’ve been driving around, this little Cobalt twin?
SPEAKER 07 :
I love that little thing. It’s a two-door coupe.
SPEAKER 04 :
A little high school girl’s car. It’s a little high school girl’s car. You’ve just been ripping it back and forth to home. All those nice cars you’ve got on your car lot, and you’re driving a Pontiac G5.
SPEAKER 07 :
I know. We’ve got a few Mercedes and some Jaguar and some other cars, and I’m driving the old G5 back and forth. Yeah.
SPEAKER 04 :
It’s amazing.
SPEAKER 07 :
It’s hard to find a coupe anymore, you know, and kind of brings back memories of being younger.
SPEAKER 04 :
Reliving the high school days.
SPEAKER 07 :
Reliving the high school. Well, I didn’t have something like that. I had a 1976 Ford Gran Torino station wagon in high school, so…
SPEAKER 04 :
That doesn’t look quite as sporty.
SPEAKER 07 :
It wasn’t nearly as sporty. I remember pulling out of school and the front bumper or the rear bumper was so rusted it fell off as I’m driving out of school one day.
SPEAKER 04 :
I’m sure you got it back on.
SPEAKER 07 :
Oh, I did. A lot of bailing wire. and that held it on long enough long enough to you know weld it and put it back together with some lag bolts but yeah i literally had baling wire in the back of my car and wired it up to drag it home
SPEAKER 04 :
You know, Eric was talking about his son getting that truck in Texas. It amazes me how expensive these newer vehicles are coming, and I don’t know. Do you guys feel like some of the federally mandated safety equipment is kind of raising the price? Do you feel like it’s just inflation in general? I just feel like we’ve got a whole lot of technology that’s on these cars. Just even in a base model, you can’t really buy one without that.
SPEAKER 07 :
Yeah, I think it’s the technology. And, you know, before, I mean, look at the cars from the 90s. We had maybe a driver’s airbag, and then all of a sudden we got a passenger side airbag. And now we have airbags in the seat. We have curtain airbags. We have rear passenger airbags. We have, you know, up to 25 different airbags that go off.
SPEAKER 06 :
Right. That all gets expensive. It does. Adaptive cruise control adds a lot of features that aren’t cheap.
SPEAKER 04 :
Well, you’ve got some federally mandated stuff like, I mean, traction control now.
SPEAKER 06 :
Well, really, I think most of it’s federally mandated for new cars to sell in the U.S. And it’s not pricing us out of the market, but it almost feels like it. Like you can go to most any other country and buy a good, reliable car for half the price or less. And that makes it tough.
SPEAKER 07 :
And even your favorite thing, tire pressure monitor sensors. They’re federally mandated.
SPEAKER 04 :
I’ll replace one of those sensors and then drive a car home, and then it needs the other sensor. And by the time it’s all done, it’s like, replace all four or five if it’s got it in the spare. Pretty much, right?
SPEAKER 08 :
Yeah.
SPEAKER 04 :
i do have that is my pet peeve though those things drive me nuts i had one come on on the way up here and then i had one uh on the way home from the auction yesterday too yeah once once they get about seven years old the batteries are gone in them and i just know how much you love every time i’m like well we got to put four sensors in it put all the sensors in it can’t just cover it with black tape unfortunately which wouldn’t be the right way to sell the car i don’t know and we can’t just turn it off because it literally was an act of congress that brought that about so Do you feel like any of this stuff is good? Any of this technology is good? Or you think we’re making it so people aren’t paying attention on the road?
SPEAKER 06 :
Well, it helps dummy-proof some things. And if you’re not paying attention, it can keep you alive, keep your car from being crushed.
SPEAKER 08 :
Mm-hmm.
SPEAKER 06 :
But, yeah, it could also make you lazier. You’re not paying attention, and you still need to. Right. You can’t just rely on it to drive for you. No. That’s not smart.
SPEAKER 07 :
I think a lot of people do rely on it to drive. It seems like all the time you look down or you watch as you’re driving into work each day, and somebody’s just looking down at their phone as they come into work.
SPEAKER 06 :
Right, absolutely.
SPEAKER 07 :
But at least we have that instead of without the lane departure and all these things. Usually you’ll watch it kind of beep at them and bring them back into the lane.
SPEAKER 06 :
But this technology wasn’t designed to go to the bar, get sloshed, and then set your car to drive yourself home with the automatic controls. I mean, I’ve seen it used that way, and that’s not what it’s for, and it’s very dangerous.
SPEAKER 07 :
It is very dangerous. Yeah, and I don’t know if it can save us from ourselves sometimes.
SPEAKER 06 :
No, it can. It’s not foolproof.
SPEAKER 07 :
But, yeah, it does add a lot to the price of the car on that. And, you know, now even the cheapest cars usually come with some sort of Apple CarPlay or touchscreen or something of that nature.
SPEAKER 06 :
That’s the number one selling point is the music and the radio working with your phone. It is. It’s the most important thing to a lot of kids.
SPEAKER 07 :
It is. That entertainment side, the infotainment system in there is where all the money is going to on the new cars. The chips that run the drivetrain and all that aren’t as sophisticated as the ones for our infotainment system. That’s the hardest working computers in the car right now.
SPEAKER 04 :
That’s right. I appreciate that there’s still guys like you that are fixing some of this older stuff. I, myself, personally, I see some advantages to some of it, but I really like some of the older Japanese cars, even if they’re crank windows and manual locks.
SPEAKER 06 :
Well, that’s fewer things to go wrong, really.
SPEAKER 04 :
Fewer things to go wrong.
SPEAKER 06 :
That was the problem with Cadillac for years is they had so many new features, there’s so many more things to fail that they weren’t. I mean, they were luxury, but you had to pay a lot to keep everything working.
SPEAKER 07 :
And that was part of it. It costs a lot to buy it, then it costs a lot to keep those high-end cars going.
SPEAKER 04 :
Absolutely. Now all that Cadillac stuff is on a Honda Accord. It is.
SPEAKER 06 :
It feels like it.
SPEAKER 07 :
It kind of trickles down over the years, down to lower cars.
SPEAKER 04 :
Having that Apple CarPlay and Android AutoPlay… And if we weren’t able to offer that to some of our customers on our older cars, I don’t think we’d be able to sell cars.
SPEAKER 07 :
Yeah.
SPEAKER 04 :
Some of this younger generation, if they don’t have that Bluetooth integration for Pandora and Spotify, like.
SPEAKER 07 :
They don’t know what to do.
SPEAKER 04 :
They don’t know what to do.
SPEAKER 06 :
Well, in reality, you do kind of learn to rely on that quickly as well. I was coming down to the station today, and somebody asked me, he’s like, so where’s that located? I’m like, I don’t know. I just follow the map. Right. It’s just like I punch it in, we go, and we follow it, just like I don’t know most phone numbers anymore because I don’t have to remember them.
SPEAKER 07 :
Right. You don’t.
SPEAKER 06 :
It’s automated. You just push the button of the name, and you go.
SPEAKER 07 :
Yeah.
SPEAKER 04 :
Our hands are tied by all this technology.
SPEAKER 07 :
They are. Right? Yeah, back when we were young, we used to have to remember all the phone numbers.
SPEAKER 06 :
Oh, right. I memorized 50 at least, you know, and you just always knew what they were.
SPEAKER 07 :
Yeah. Now you barely know your own phone number.
SPEAKER 06 :
Right?
SPEAKER 04 :
Well, if any of our listeners have any technical questions or you’ve got any problems going on with your car, we can kind of lead you in the right direction. Mark and Josh are here. Any car buying questions, I’d be happy to answer those for you, too, and talk about what’s going on in the market. The used car market seems to be… on an upward trend all of a sudden.
SPEAKER 07 :
Yeah, that it is.
SPEAKER 04 :
And I could not tell you rhyme or reason. Maybe it’s people aren’t able to afford some of this newer stuff, or maybe people are trying to be smart about their money.
SPEAKER 06 :
Well, I think credit card usage is at an all-time high. People are broke and paying bills, and they’re keeping their cars longer again, and they’re buying used cars versus new ones just because of finances and loan abilities.
SPEAKER 04 :
Are you seeing an upward trend in repair services right now?
SPEAKER 06 :
Oh, I am, yes. Okay. People are doing more and planning to keep their car longer at the moment. These trends come and go, but right now, that’s the trend, and I think it’ll be there for a year or so. We’ve seen years where a lot of people buy new cars, and then there’s no maintenance to do for a while. But if they want to save money, the cheapest option is keep the car you have, keep it, run and maintain it, so it doesn’t cost you more, so it doesn’t break down, you have to repair it. Because maintenance is always cheaper than repair. And, you know, when you don’t have the choices, the best thing you can do is maintain your car and keep it going.
SPEAKER 07 :
Right. It’s always cheaper to maintain an old car than to buy a new. And even with new cars, I mean, you still have to maintain it.
SPEAKER 06 :
It’s a big investment.
SPEAKER 07 :
It does. And you have a warranty on it for a bit, but it still doesn’t cover everything. It doesn’t cover maintenance.
SPEAKER 06 :
So I’ve got a question on a little bit different topic, but I mentioned earlier I’m right near the emissions station. I’m in the one in Broomfield. But we’ve noticed a trend in the last month that there’s a line of cars getting emissions tested that comes out of the station, goes around the block, backs up. We never had that before. So I don’t know what’s changing or if anyone knows, but there’s a line of cars, and if you want an emissions test, you know, it might be 45 minutes to an hour. Really? And I’ve got a car we’re working on right now. It’s like it’s not going to be a small feat to go emissions test that, confirm that it’s fixed, and return it because it’s going to take – A good chunk of the morning.
SPEAKER 07 :
Right.
SPEAKER 06 :
So I don’t know what the answer is for that, but I’ve definitely seen a problem there. And when everyone’s required to get an emissions test, having to wait that long isn’t ideal.
SPEAKER 07 :
Yeah, and they’re always out there. We’re trying to bring down emissions, but they’re out there idling and waiting to get them.
SPEAKER 06 :
Oh, right. Yeah, they’re all online idling.
SPEAKER 07 :
Making emissions for no reason.
SPEAKER 06 :
Right.
SPEAKER 07 :
Yep. Yeah, let’s go to break right now, and then we’ll come back and talk about that some more.
SPEAKER 06 :
Sounds great.
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And we’re back. It’s KLZ 560 Drive Radio. And today is March 22nd, just in case you’re hearing this later in the week. But we’ll go right to the phones. We have Tim in Colorado Springs. Morning, Tim.
SPEAKER 12 :
Hey, good morning. How are you?
SPEAKER 07 :
Good. Can you hear me?
SPEAKER 12 :
Yeah, we can hear you. Yeah, we can. Okay. Yeah, I’ve got a 2018 Chevy Colorado with 3.6, and I pulled the engine out because between the cam carrier and the head it was leaking. So I put it back together, and then it was running terribly. And you could pull the – it could pull the coils off the – the odd bank cylinders, like, what, even ones, two, four, and six, and it wouldn’t run any different. And so had some guy come down, and he took a look at it and put a scope on it and says I was off a couple teeth on my cam on the left side of the engine. So pulled it back out, tore it all apart, and the timing marks on the cam are good, between the chain and the cam. And so… So then I’m befuddled. I don’t know what to do. And I’m thinking, well, maybe the phasers are bad on the left side. And then I had this guy come back out again, and he verified that the marks were good. But noticed on the right side of the cam, when you go through the timing adjustments on it, there’s a flat spot on the cam on the intake and exhaust. And I think you’re supposed to be able to put a straight edge across them, and it’s supposed to be perfectly straight. um on my they are not they’re off maybe i don’t know maybe four or five degrees okay and um i thought maybe the chain might be bad and so i bought a new chain and i checked the link between the old one and the new one and they’re exactly the same so i think the chain’s okay and then i was going to take apart the phaser to see if there’s something wrong with that oh well the phasers lock And when you, you know, lock it back and forth in the lock position, you might get 20,000 slop, you know, in the lock position. Right. And so I was going to take the phaser apart, and then it’s got this goofy, not quite Torx screw. You’ve got to get two to take that off. So that’s my dilemma now is trying to find a screwdriver to pull that out. But I guess the other thing… I just wanted to run that whole problem by you to see if it sounds like. Obviously, I put a bug on there, and I’m not sure what it was. Any thoughts?
SPEAKER 06 :
So backing up just a little bit, kind of looking at the whole big picture at once, I assume this engine ran great before it was taken apart to fix this oil leak. Yes, sir. I’d be going back to the I know there’s a lot of timing marks on a cam sensor on a cam and on the crank and they can easily get confused and we probably still have a timing issue because nothing else really changed or makes sense.
SPEAKER 07 :
And the other thing is a lot of these modern engines, even if they kind of have marks, they’re not really the marks. What you need to do is you can go on Amazon and purchase – there’s a timing kit that actually locks all the cams and all the components into place. So even though – and that will hold it in place. So even though you think that, you know, like I remember – one of the first ones i did years ago was a volvo and you would think that the marks at the back of the cam should be 90 degrees or even with the head well they weren’t they were actually a couple degrees off and you had to have the special tool to hold it exactly in place to get it timed right if you didn’t then it wouldn’t time right so i would look on amazon or any you know ebay or any of those for the timing kit for this car and it’ll actually hold those cams in place and usually there’s a pin that locks the crank into place and then put the chain on after that
SPEAKER 12 :
Well, I bought the AC Delco TDS, you know, service guide, you know, the online one.
SPEAKER 09 :
Yeah.
SPEAKER 12 :
And it lines up. I mean, I’m doing it step by step by that. And then this guy that this guy charges 100 bucks an hour to come out and diagnose what’s wrong. And he’s really good. But and he’s also a certified tech. in the business for 30 40 well 30 to 40 years um and he verified it so uh you know it could be that’s the case but i i you know i mean i’m i’m using the book and you know a little mechanic and all over my life i’m not a great mechanic but uh smart enough to do some stuff and then having a certified guy look at it plus getting the factory books, I’m thinking I got the right, I mean, everything looks good to me in this other guy. Right. What else might have changed?
SPEAKER 06 :
What may have changed during that process?
SPEAKER 12 :
Well, the only thing I can think of is, you know, when you put the cam carrier on the head, I was going to say, you know, you use RTV. They don’t give you a gasket. It’s just RTV. You put that on and seat it up. Sure. Put it on the top of that. Then on the top of that, you have the cam carrier top, like the old valve cover top, and you RTV that on there. And I’m wondering, well, I’m wondering if I might have got RTV and maybe those oil journals that feed the phaser shifter. That’s not the right term. Something stupid like that. Yeah, I don’t know. I’m just excited myself.
SPEAKER 07 :
It doesn’t give a code for, you know, cam phasers? Oh, yeah. So like 18 or 14 or one of those on it?
SPEAKER 12 :
No, I get misfires on cylinders two. Oh, that’s the other interesting thing. When I did have it back together and it was running terrible, I would get misfires on cylinder two and six exactly the same amount, exactly the same time. Right, right. And I’d probably get 10 misfires, well, probably two or three misfires a second.
SPEAKER 09 :
Okay.
SPEAKER 12 :
Just rampant. And then you hook the coils up or unhook them. It didn’t matter on the 2, 4, and 6 side. And it didn’t matter. The misfires still went rampant on that.
SPEAKER 07 :
But you’ve never got a cam position code because then you would know, like, which one the computer thinks is off.
SPEAKER 12 :
So this guy that came out, he put his – scanner on there and then he took a look at my cam what the computer wanted and what the actual was and at idle it was fine but if you revved it up to like 1500 or 2000 the computer wanted oh I forget what it was 20 something and what it was was about 8 or something and then it would over a period of about 5 seconds it would catch up so it was like slow to respond And that was on the left side.
SPEAKER 07 :
And intake or exhaust cam, did it say?
SPEAKER 12 :
You know, I don’t know. I was so sure that I was out of adjustment at this point to kind of quit listening.
SPEAKER 07 :
Yeah, I’m just asking because that’s, you know, I had it this week on a GM, the same thing. The port was kind of clogged up. It was from carbon and age. But I was able to run the same test. I watched Actual and Desired, and it would be calling for, like you said, 20 degrees, and it was only giving me 8, or sometimes after a while it wouldn’t even give me that. And I was able to go in and start cleaning those ports out. So that would go along with your RTV. Maybe you’ve got too much RTV in there, and it couldn’t flow through. journals you’re talking about yeah the oil journals so on the cam you know it sends oil pressure up and then there’s a solenoid that opens up and closes and lets the phaser actually adjust to that timing if you have low flow that’s a lot of times where you you get the symptom you’re having where it’s being told to go to 20 but you don’t have enough flow into there to actually get the phaser to catch up
SPEAKER 12 :
Okay, that sounds good. That’s a good thought.
SPEAKER 07 :
And sometimes, though, the other thing is, though, you can get debris in the phaser itself, and then it’s just time to replace the phaser.
SPEAKER 12 :
Well, and if that was the case, I should be able to swap the right and left bank phasers to see if the problem goes the other side. Exactly, yeah.
SPEAKER 06 :
Right, but that wouldn’t cause a misfire condition. That would affect the timing and acceleration.
SPEAKER 07 :
But it’s misfire because the cam is so far out of phase.
SPEAKER 06 :
Okay.
SPEAKER 07 :
Like when I’ve seen where people do like deal 5-4s and they get one of the cams out on it and that cam is so far out of phase that you actually get a misfire. And it can’t adjust far enough. Exactly. And since you’re even, like on that whole bank, they’re all misfiring at the same rate. You know, you were whatever, 10 misses per cycle. As long as all the cylinders on that bank are even, then we need to think that it’s an actual cam out of phase instead of… If it was one cylinder versus all of them on that bank, then we would look at the cylinder. But seeing that all three on that bank are off at the same amount, then we know that one of the cams is out of phase.
SPEAKER 12 :
Okay, so I think I definitely want to be looking at my even side cam. The one that’s off, like I say, on the flats on the cam, when you’re doing the initial timing, is on the odd side cam. And the even side where I’ve got the problem, they line up perfect.
SPEAKER 07 :
And that could be because that phaser’s clogged up and not able to move, especially if it’s at idle and you’re okay. But off idle, I would look at that phaser and those ports to make sure you’ve got enough flow going into it.
SPEAKER 12 :
Okay. Okay. Well, that’s a thought. Yeah, I didn’t. You know what? That would have been a good idea to swap those before I ripped them.
SPEAKER 07 :
That’s a lot of work to get in there to swap those back and forth.
SPEAKER 12 :
Well, I decided I was going to pull the engine because they said if you wanted to do this, you have to drop the four-wheel drive. So you have to drop the front axle and the steering, all that crap. And I thought it would be easier to pull the engine because the last one I pulled was like a 1987 Chevy, and that was easy. Yeah, a little more space.
SPEAKER 07 :
Sorry, we’re going to have to let you go because we’ve come up to a hard break. But you can call us right back if you want. Talk to you in a bit. We’re on break.
SPEAKER 03 :
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