This episode of Rush to Reason with John Rush brings forth an engaging conversation traversing from entertaining trivia to serious political undertakings. As Andy and John discuss the atmospheric phenomena of space dust, they segue into an analysis of Colorado’s ballot measures, revealing potential impacts on education and taxation. The conversation deftly addresses the logistics behind school funding while scrutinizing the fairness of taxing high-income families. Stay with us for a dive into how these issues affect local communities and ignite broader discussions on governance and responsibility.
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Happy Tuesday. Rush to Reason, Denver’s Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560. Myself, Andy Pate, and beautiful day, Andy.
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It is a gorgeous day out there.
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We’ll take it.
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Oh, I love it. I love days like this, like in the middle of fall or the middle of spring, that just surprise you.
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Very nice.
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Oh, it’s wonderful.
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Very nice day. Charlie Grimes, of course, our engineer. Yes, there’s a possible question. Approximately how many tons of space dust settles on the Earth each year? The answer is 40,000 tons.
SPEAKER 05 :
And that’s just Oklahoma.
SPEAKER 15 :
Yeah, exactly.
SPEAKER 05 :
It all settles in Oklahoma.
SPEAKER 15 :
It blows this way.
SPEAKER 05 :
By the way, does it actually settle or does it burn up in the atmosphere? I have no idea.
SPEAKER 15 :
That one I don’t know.
SPEAKER 05 :
Okay.
SPEAKER 15 :
I guess settles on, meaning I guess it must float down through the atmosphere and…
SPEAKER 05 :
show up here i guess i don’t know that’s weird i never really thought about that yeah i know now we’re gaining dirt right of course now the moon has one-sixth of the gravity right of of the earth if you say so okay and none of the atmosphere so that should be accumulating pretty quick on the moon right you would think well okay never mind for this is this goes against all of you folks that don’t think we ever went to the moon
SPEAKER 15 :
The reason why they put such big pads on the lunar module and the reason they had such big boots is because all of the evolutionists at the time thought because they think that the Earth is millions upon millions upon millions of years old that there’d be all, to Andy’s point, they all thought there’d be feet of space dust up on the moon.
SPEAKER 05 :
Right. They thought that we would sink right down in.
SPEAKER 15 :
Correct. So they built all of those things to where it would actually go on there and like snowshoes would kind of settle on top and not sink down in. So my point with all of you that don’t think we ever went to the moon, if that really were the case, they would have made it look like that actually happened when they landed because they would have wanted to prove their theory of a huge, long, old Earth and how much actual dust was up there. But that’s not what happened.
SPEAKER 05 :
You know, John, that’s a very good point, because actually they found just a few inches of dust.
SPEAKER 15 :
That’s right. Proving, in my point, it’s a young earth, not an old earth.
SPEAKER 05 :
Well, that would certainly indicate that dust has not been accumulating.
SPEAKER 15 :
For billions of years.
SPEAKER 05 :
Or even millions. Correct. Or even one million.
SPEAKER 15 :
Correct. And so, yeah, I mean, it certainly seems— Which, again, for me, goes back to the whole—those of you out there that don’t think the moon landing ever happened, do you think a bunch of people that really believe in evolution to the point they worship it would have not done that if, in fact, they produced the moon landing?
SPEAKER 05 :
No, they wouldn’t show you hopping around on the moon with only a few inches of dust.
SPEAKER 15 :
Absolutely.
SPEAKER 05 :
They wouldn’t have done that.
SPEAKER 15 :
That’s my point, Andy.
SPEAKER 05 :
Yeah.
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So those that don’t think we ever went, there’s proof, just one, by the way, but that’s one proof, in my opinion, that says we did because it actually defies their whole old Earth theory.
SPEAKER 05 :
Yeah, that’s a good point. I hadn’t really thought about it. But you do know the moon is flat. It just faces us all the time. Well, that’s true.
SPEAKER 15 :
It’s just the same way all the time.
SPEAKER 05 :
Yeah.
SPEAKER 15 :
It’s a big dish up there.
SPEAKER 05 :
Exactly. It rotates around, always facing us.
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Oh, and I’m sure I’ll get some comments on what I just said a moment ago. That’s fine. Shoot them off to us. 307-282-22B, my guest. I’ll take it. I don’t care. Possible question of today, which state tops the list as the fast food capital of the U.S.? Which state tops the list as the fast food capital of the U.S.? ?
SPEAKER 05 :
Well, I mean, they’re all packed with fast food.
SPEAKER 15 :
That’s a fact.
SPEAKER 05 :
Yeah.
SPEAKER 15 :
But this one’s tops. Pick your state. It’s probably not what most people think.
SPEAKER 05 :
No. I mean, in Wisconsin, my gosh, it’s everywhere.
SPEAKER 15 :
Well, and I would, again, because of the size of some of the states that we have, like, for example, California, how many people are populated there and so on, you would think that would be the top answer. I’ll give you a hint. It’s not California.
SPEAKER 05 :
Well, do they mean concentrated or whatever? Because, I mean, look, the healthier states like Colorado, it certainly wouldn’t be.
SPEAKER 15 :
No, it’s not here.
SPEAKER 05 :
And I wouldn’t think it’d be in the south because, honestly, John, they got a lot of good down-home cooking. They don’t need fast food. Okay, this will be interesting. All right. I don’t know, but it’ll be interesting.
SPEAKER 15 :
And what it has to do with is they consider 22 major chains across the country from Taco Bell to KFC to Chipotle and compare the number of locations drawn from the restaurant’s websites as well as the restaurant location maps against population data.
SPEAKER 05 :
Oh, against population.
SPEAKER 15 :
So, in other words, you’ve got way more of them than you do people in some cases. Not, you know, relatively speaking.
SPEAKER 05 :
I’ll say Wyoming, then, because John’s the only one who lives there.
SPEAKER 15 :
That’s true. Only one person. One person. Charlie says Ohio. I will give everybody a hint. It’s on the East Coast. The state is on the East Coast. So that’s the one hint I’ll give you all outside of that.
SPEAKER 05 :
Wyoming is on the East Coast?
SPEAKER 15 :
I didn’t know that. Well, it’s not even east of us.
SPEAKER 05 :
No.
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A little bit. Not much. I’m wrong already. All right. So there you go. There’s your question of today. All right. We come back, Andy, because we were talking about this during the break and I thought we ought to anyways. In fact, Brad from Lakewood brought this up yesterday. That is ballot measures LL and MM. We’ll come back and talk about that here in a moment. Hopefully people are bright enough to know that those are things that we should vote no on. But we’ll talk about that. as soon as we come back, along with a lot of other things in today’s program. Dr. Scott coming up next. Again, he is my doctor. He would love to help you with all of your medical needs and just staying healthy. I say medical needs. Really, what he wants to do is make sure that you’re not going to the doctor all of the time. There’s ways to do that by living healthier, and he’ll help you with all of that. 303-663-6990.
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Country. Reason. Now back to John Rush.
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All right, we are back. Rush to Reason, Denver’s Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560. Okay, before we get into LL and MM, and I don’t know if these are true. You see these memes all over the Internet. Memes are always true. Yeah, always. So what’s a meme? Oh, I will. I’m getting there. I’m talking about the meme first. I’m going to talk about this meme, then we’ll get to LL and MM.
SPEAKER 05 :
Okay.
SPEAKER 15 :
But this particular meme, again, I don’t know if these are true or not, but this is supposedly Hillary Clinton on X. And, you know, there’s a big remodel going on now for the ballroom at the White House, which, you know, there’s people that are complaining that, you know, why is he doing this now? It’s all privately funded, by the way. He’s not using any tax dollars to do this. And they’re adding on a big wing for a ballroom and so on. And I don’t know that we’ve done any major upgrades to the White House in quite some time.
SPEAKER 05 :
Why would anyone complain about a privately funded upgrade to— Because people are knuckleheads. Well, that’s insane.
SPEAKER 15 :
So, again, I don’t know if this is true, but supposedly Hillary says it’s not his house, it’s your house, and he’s destroying it. Well, somebody else tweeted right back and said, your husband had sex in the Oval Office, probably should sit this one out. I don’t know if that’s true. Okay, I have no idea if any of that’s true, but I thought it was funny either way.
SPEAKER 05 :
You know, I mean, Clinton probably, well, never mind.
SPEAKER 15 :
Yeah. Okay, so what’s LL and MM? And those are going to be, if you haven’t voted yet, some of you have ballots, maybe you have, but if you haven’t voted yet, LL is a Retain Excess Revenue Measure. The measure asks voters to allow the state to keep and spend $12.4 million in excess tax revenue that was collected under the original Healthy School Meals for All program that was Proposition FF passed in 2022. What happened if it passes? The state would be allowed to use this revenue to continue funding the free school meals program. If it fails, the $12.4 million would be refunded to Colorado households with an adjusted gross income of $300,000 or less. Now, MM, this measure proposes increasing taxes on high-earning households to provide more funding for healthy school meals for all program and the Supplemental Nutritional Assistance Program, SNAP, in other words. How does it work? It would change the amount of federal income tax deductions for high-income households, $300,000 or more adjusted gross income. that they can apply to their state taxes. What if it passes? The state would raise an estimated $95 million in additional revenue for those two programs, and if it fails, the free school meal program would likely have to scale back and would be limited to low-income schools and students, which, by the way, it ought to in the first place anyways. What now? It ought to be limited to low-income schools and students anyways. But point being, these are for the children measures, quote-unquote, as Andy said earlier.
SPEAKER 05 :
Yeah, but it’s soak the rich for the kids.
SPEAKER 15 :
Yeah, soak the rich for the kids.
SPEAKER 05 :
I find that very offensive, and I’m not rich, okay? I don’t make $300, okay, John? Well, I’m retired, but you know what I mean. I get it. Obviously, I don’t make $300, and so this doesn’t affect me, and it’s still… Really offensive.
SPEAKER 15 :
It’s very offensive. And I’m with you, Andy.
SPEAKER 05 :
This is ridiculous.
SPEAKER 15 :
It’s offensive whether you’re somebody that makes that money or you don’t make that money. And for all of you that are listening to think, well, how are we going to fund these programs then? Here’s the reality, and this is happening across the state. It’s happening across the state in the majority of districts we have in this state. Enrollment is down. Yeah. Public schools in general are having less students annually show up, but yet we’re spending more per district than we ever have on education. John, they jacked up the property taxes.
SPEAKER 05 :
Correct. They jacked them up through the sky. Correct. Okay. And so they got way more money coming in, and they need far less money for the schools. And now they’re saying, we want to soak the rich for even more money for this program. I’m sorry, you don’t have any money elsewhere in the school budget to handle this program?
SPEAKER 15 :
They have plenty of money.
SPEAKER 05 :
Of course they do.
SPEAKER 15 :
If they would learn to control the admin budget of things, and frankly, folks, there are schools out there that I’m sorry to say, and some would probably be offended me for saying this, but I really don’t care. There are schools out there that, frankly, they should combine efforts. In other words, they should have two schools nearby, figure out which one has more students than the other, combine the two into one, and sell off the property off of the other one and put that money back into the coffers. absolutely they should be selling off some of their properties because their attendance is way down hey which really quick if you do what i just said andy keep in mind all of you listening we’ve got bus services that have to run to each school and all sorts of different things there’s a tremendous savings i don’t know the exact numbers i’m on a school board but it wouldn’t take long to figure this out you shut a school down huge savings by doing so across the board
SPEAKER 05 :
Exactly. And I know there are people out there right now saying, wait a minute, our school is packed. Yeah, then we’re not talking about your school.
SPEAKER 15 :
Yeah, that’s not you then.
SPEAKER 05 :
Exactly. There are schools where enrollment is way down. Where they’re not packed. You know, and here’s another thing. Because the schools, I’m just going to say it, sorry for my French, they suck so badly.
SPEAKER 15 :
They do, Andy.
SPEAKER 05 :
That this is why so many people have pulled their kids out of these schools, put them in private schools and homeschooled. And it’s like, no, wait a minute. They pulled their kids out of these schools, put them in private schools, homeschools, which means you have fewer kids. And now rather than cut back on your your costs. because you have fewer customers, right? You want to keep bringing in, the amount of money coming into you has gone up because of what they did with property taxes, and yet you want even more? Look, the bottom line is they could easily move a portion of the money that they’ve already gotten in. To take care of kids’ school lunches. They can do it easily. But no, no, no, no, no. So when they say that this money, that what they’re going to do is soak the rich to pay for kids’ lunches, they’re totally lying. What they’re going to do is soak the rich so it can offset the kids’ lunches so that they can keep their money in their grubby hands for all the other projects.
SPEAKER 15 :
Money is fungible, folks. Totally. Never forget that, especially when it comes to – it’s fungible everywhere. I was going to say especially in government, but it’s fungible everywhere. It doesn’t matter if it’s a nonprofit. It doesn’t matter if it’s government. It doesn’t matter if it’s your family, okay? And let me give you a quick explanation, okay? You have X amount of budget that you as a family need on a monthly basis to run.
SPEAKER 01 :
Right.
SPEAKER 15 :
Some of that money you spend on, you know, entertainment. You maybe have a car payment, the house payment, insurance, food, clothing. You get the drift. Okay. Yeah. And maybe you’re one of those persons that even categorizes all those things. That’s great. You know, whatever. Some do, some don’t. Okay. Just depends on how you run your budget. Let’s say that all of a sudden something happens and you come in to, you know, maybe you get a nice little bonus somewhere. All of a sudden you win a lottery ticket and all of a sudden 10 grand comes in. Andy, in most cases, I know there’s some exceptions to this, but in most cases, that family will just stick that money in the bank and it offsets all of the things I just mentioned.
SPEAKER 01 :
Of course.
SPEAKER 15 :
Even if you say, well, you know, we’re going to take two grand of that and go on a vacation. Well, that’s two grand you have to go on vacation that you would have normally taken out of someplace else that would have lowered everything else. At the end of the day, the 10 grand is the 10 grand is the 10 grand.
SPEAKER 05 :
Right. You could say or you could say, hey, you know what? I’m going to take the entire 10 grand. We’re going to dedicate it to redoing our landscaping. OK, well, that means that’s all that money that you wouldn’t have had to take out of other areas to do.
SPEAKER 15 :
Or money that you would have saved or borrowed or whatever you would have done doesn’t have to be done anymore.
SPEAKER 05 :
Exactly. So projecting this to LL and MM folks, all they want to do. is take this money in so they don’t have to spend a bunch of the extra money they already have.
SPEAKER 15 :
That’s right.
SPEAKER 05 :
That’s exactly right, Andy.
SPEAKER 1 :
100%.
SPEAKER 05 :
Their costs have dropped dramatically because they have far fewer students and they’ve gotten more money because of the property values.
SPEAKER 15 :
Let’s add one other layer to this, too.
SPEAKER 05 :
They just want to swim in money.
SPEAKER 15 :
That’s right, because don’t forget, folks, and this maybe isn’t being done yet, but it should be, and I’m guessing it will be. AI, when it comes to a lot of the admin things that happens in organizations like schools and districts and so on, you’re going to see people losing jobs or not being replaced when they retire or whatever the case may be, because AI is going to be able to come along and do a lot of people’s jobs for them, meaning they won’t even have the staffing needs required. down the road that they have right now.
SPEAKER 05 :
Oh, yeah, because a lot of what the administration has to do in a school is research and go through all these kids’ names and their backgrounds and so forth, their medical needs, everything. AI would make that instantaneous.
SPEAKER 15 :
Yeah, where you would have a team of two or three people doing that, you could run that down to one person.
SPEAKER 05 :
Exactly. I mean, all you need is data input, and then you’re there. And from there, it’s maintenance.
SPEAKER 15 :
And if you’ve got even—for all of you listening, some of you may not know this, some of you may know this, but even if you’ve got the data, even if it’s not electronic, if you have the ability to use your phone to take a picture of the data and upload it as a picture to ChatGPT or any of the other AI platforms that are out there, it will take those numbers even from something that’s handwritten and create the data Andy’s talking about.
SPEAKER 05 :
It’ll do the data— That’s right.
SPEAKER 15 :
You don’t even have to manually input it. It’ll do it for you.
SPEAKER 05 :
Yeah, yeah. It’ll do the data entry for you.
SPEAKER 15 :
And by the way, they have it all electronic anyways, but I’m just giving an example, Andy, to where people would say, well, yeah, well, what about the people that have to put that in? They don’t now.
SPEAKER 05 :
Yeah, but I’m going to give you the bad news here, John. This comes from an ex-Democrat, you know, somebody who was raised on the hard left. I believe that these two propositions are going to pass. You’re probably correct. Because they worded them well.
SPEAKER 15 :
Take from the rich, give to the poor.
SPEAKER 05 :
Not enough people are going to listen to Rush to Reason. I mean, you have a very big base here, but it’s not a majority of the entire state of Colorado.
SPEAKER 15 :
No, not when it comes to voters, it’s not.
SPEAKER 05 :
Right, right. And so… Not enough people are going to hear the truth on this show. So all they’re going to hear is this. What? So if I’m against this, I want people making over $300,000 to get their money back and kids won’t get food? Because they’re saying right here.
SPEAKER 01 :
That’s right.
SPEAKER 05 :
It says right here in the proposal that only the very poorest kids then will be able to get their food. That’s ridiculous. Your costs are down. You have way fewer students and you have more money.
SPEAKER 15 :
Right.
SPEAKER 05 :
Before and getting LL or MM. Right.
SPEAKER 15 :
Right.
SPEAKER 05 :
And you are telling the voters of Colorado – and the reason I say this is going to work is because I was raised by the side that did this. This is brilliant. We knew we were lying to you, okay? We knew we were lying to you. We knew we were conning you, and we knew which kind of cons would work in which settings. And I’m telling you, in this blue state, I believe this will pass. Now, maybe – I’m hopeful – maybe the people of Colorado will be smart enough – But I don’t think so, because if it’s something where we would all get a rebate, I think there would be a chance that these things would fail.
SPEAKER 15 :
No, this is the rebate of $300,000 or more, so people are going to say, what’s a rich guy like that need the money for anyways?
SPEAKER 05 :
Bingo.
SPEAKER 15 :
And there are kids that are starving.
SPEAKER 05 :
It’s wonderfully structured to con stupid people, okay? And that’s why I think it’ll pass.
SPEAKER 15 :
Yeah, dumb voters, uneducated voters.
SPEAKER 05 :
Yeah.
SPEAKER 15 :
You’re right.
SPEAKER 05 :
I’m saying this will pass 60-40.
SPEAKER 15 :
You probably aren’t wrong. Now, for those of you listening— All of the things we just gave you is ammunition to go talk to friends, relatives, family, people you go to church with, people you’re at school with, which, again, for those of you that are listening, this isn’t a political voting for this candidate or that candidate. You can talk about these things anywhere you want, including church. In fact, it can be talked about from the pulpit. You can talk about candidates from the pulpit. That’s another discussion for another day. But you can do whatever you want to when it comes to that at the end of the day. But regardless of, this isn’t really a quote-unquote political divide issue. This is how well is your money being spent issue.
SPEAKER 05 :
Yeah. And there’s only two things that you have to remember, and John already mentioned them right at the beginning. Okay? Number one, enrollment is way down. They need far less money. Number two, and everybody out there knows this, your property taxes are way up over what they were just a couple years ago. That means they have way more money for fewer students. They don’t need this.
SPEAKER 15 :
Money is fungible. That’s the third thing, so don’t forget those three legs. Right. Add that one at the end. Money is fungible, meaning if they get money in in one area… That means that’s money they can go spend somewhere else. And by the way, most people, most teachers even would know exactly what I’m talking about. That money is not going to make it down to teacher salaries, by the way.
SPEAKER 05 :
Oh, no.
SPEAKER 15 :
That’s the last place the money is going to go. No matter what they tell you, it’s not going there.
SPEAKER 05 :
No. I mean, a small portion.
SPEAKER 15 :
If any, Andy. This is going to go to the admin side of the fence.
SPEAKER 05 :
Absolutely. It’s going to get eaten up by the people with the power.
SPEAKER 15 :
That’s right.
SPEAKER 05 :
You know, does it surprise you, Mr. Businessman, how few people still, how few people understand the whole concept of money being fungible?
SPEAKER 15 :
No, most don’t. Because they think that it’s a— It blows my mind. Even people in churches don’t understand this. They want to do a dedicated offering. Well, I don’t want my money going here. Okay, well, fine, whatever suits you, whatever. But you realize at the end of the day that it’s still offsetting something else, right?
SPEAKER 05 :
No, the church doesn’t have to put money into that program.
SPEAKER 15 :
Correct.
SPEAKER 05 :
Okay. Now the church has more money for all this stuff.
SPEAKER 15 :
If that makes you feel good, then do whatever you want to. But at the end of the day, it’s no different than throwing it in the offering plate.
SPEAKER 05 :
Yeah, but John, this is what I was telling you before. As an ex-Democrat, I’m telling you, we knew the con. We knew that if we had something that was dedicated like this. Mm-hmm. Well, that just means you don’t have to put any other money into it. Yeah, but we knew 70, 80% of the voters wouldn’t get that. No matter how many times smart people told them that money is fungible, they won’t get it. And now they’ll think that you are actually taking food away from kids if you don’t vote for this.
SPEAKER 15 :
You’re 100 percent right, Andy. They are dumb. Yeah. So you’re probably correct. It probably I mean, typically Colorado is telling any before we came on air. Typically, Colorado has very fiscally responsible voters. True. And then they’ll do stupid things and vote for legislatures that will still run. run and take that same thing and pass it legislatively that didn’t make it on a ballot measure. That’s how stupid our voters are. But in this one, Andy’s right. The way they’re couching this, it’ll be the, you know, Robin Hood effect, and it’ll be the, you know, rich man against the poor man end of things, and they’re going to vote for the poor man.
SPEAKER 05 :
Right. If you don’t vote for these, you’re starving kids for the wealthy.
SPEAKER 15 :
Even though you’re not, folks.
SPEAKER 05 :
Right.
SPEAKER 15 :
Trust me.
SPEAKER 05 :
It’s a total.
SPEAKER 15 :
It’s a con. It’s a con.
SPEAKER 05 :
You’re not. It’s not just a lie. It’s an obvious lie. Anybody who uses two brain cells and takes 20 seconds to look at the issue will understand that. But I just asked too much, I believe, for 60 percent of the voters.
SPEAKER 15 :
You’re probably correct, Andy. Unfortunately, you’re probably correct, which this goes back to as we close this. No, this won’t be a voting machine error. No, this won’t be anything along those lines. No, nobody is packing the ballot boxes. No, this is the pulse of Coloradans.
SPEAKER 05 :
Sadly, yes.
SPEAKER 15 :
I’m sorry to say, but that’s the answer. It won’t be anything else that I just mentioned, which a lot of people will accuse it of after it’s all said and done. No, they’re not going to have to cheat to win on this one. They’ve already cheated. They’ve conned people in the wording of the measures. They’ve already cheated in the way they did that.
SPEAKER 05 :
Yeah. Absolutely.
SPEAKER 15 :
So, folks, there will be no cheating. This will pass just because of that alone. Because basically, if you don’t do this, kids are going to starve and the rich get richer.
SPEAKER 05 :
Yes.
SPEAKER 15 :
That’s how they’re couching this.
SPEAKER 05 :
I’m just going to say it, John. Voting in favor of LL and MM is stupid, and I think it’ll win.
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SPEAKER 03 :
The best export we have is common sense. You’re listening to Rush to Reason.
SPEAKER 15 :
And I know I say it a lot, but if you don’t believe me, LL and MM prove Marxism in Colorado is alive and well. Oh, yeah. That’s exactly what that is, by the way. Those are two Marxist measures by all means possible. By all definitions, that’s exactly what Marxism is. Those are Marxist ballot measures through and through.
SPEAKER 1 :
Yep.
SPEAKER 05 :
Yeah, and by the way, it also shows I think people on the right need to understand they need to get their messaging better because the people on the left have theirs down cold. They do. That’s good messaging, man. I can at least look at this strategically and say, very well done. I’m standing up and applauding. You conned people beautifully.
SPEAKER 15 :
That’s how you would do it. Leading to our next topic. Yes. And this is constructive criticism, okay? For all of you that are listening, this is constructive criticism. I didn’t watch the entire governor’s panel, the GOP governors that are running, the candidates is what I should say, the candidate panel that was up in Fort Collins over the weekend. I watched a good portion of it. I did watch all of the intros that each candidate gave, and I should have counted, but I think there was a dozen or so candidates at that particular gathering. And the one theme, through and through, Not every candidate said this, but far too many did. Their opening statements were, yep, I’m going to paraphrase here, but yep, the state’s gone to hell in a handbasket. I’m here to fix it. We already know that. No offense. Back to Andy’s point on messaging. We already know that. Yeah. There’s no new message there. What are you as a candidate going to do that’s different than everybody else? I don’t need to know that we’re already going to hell in a handbasket. We know that. What is it you’re going to do for me, the voter?
SPEAKER 05 :
Yeah, don’t get up there and blend in with the other 11 on the stage.
SPEAKER 15 :
Which is kind of what happened Saturday night, as most of the messages, at least in the opening statements, were exactly what… You know, Governor Polis has led us down the wrong track. We get that. We all know that.
SPEAKER 05 :
Now… They should come out immediately and talk about the customers. Don’t talk about yourself. Don’t talk about Polis. Talk about the customers. You can refer to Polis. But talk about the customers and what they deserve. Say, you deserve this, this, and this. And describe a greater Colorado that they deserve. Imagine if you could have this and this and this and this. Then they can get excited.
SPEAKER 15 :
For example, had I been on that panel, which I’m not because I’m not running, I would have stood up. The first thing I would have said is, you guys all ready for a change? Yeah. Guess what? I’m here to make that change happen. And you lead into all the things you’re going to do to make the change happen. There you go. No one said that. No one said that? No, no one said that. Not in that way, no.
SPEAKER 05 :
We’re running to replace a governor and nobody ran on change?
SPEAKER 15 :
Not in the way I just said it, no. Okay. I mean, they may have gotten there further into their little intro speech, but you’ve got to come right out of the gun and say exactly what I just… Hey, you guys all ready for some change? Listen for the applause. Yeah. Guess what? I’m here to make that change happen. Here’s how. Yep. Boom, boom, boom, boom, boom. Yeah. I don’t need to know that you’ve got a 28-point plan, which, by the way, is far too many. I don’t care if you’ve got a 21-point plan. By the way, that’s far too many. I don’t care if you have a 16-point plan. Again, far too many. I don’t care. I don’t care what your 16-point plan is. And I’m not trying to be rude, folks. I’m not. This is constructive criticism again. If you’re one of the candidates and you’re listening to me, no one cares that you have a 21-point plan.
SPEAKER 05 :
No, they can’t follow that.
SPEAKER 15 :
No. In fact, you need a three-point plan. I’ve got a three-point plan to make Colorado better again. Here’s what I’m going to do. Boom, boom, boom.
SPEAKER 05 :
Right. It’s got to be memorable. It’s got to be easy. It’s got to be memorable. You’ve got to grab them right out of the gate.
SPEAKER 15 :
By the way, the number one thing I’m going to do, which I know I can’t do alone as governor, but I’m going to do my very best and push as hard as I can. I want a property tax cap. That’s the first thing I want to do for all of you as Coloradans. Because that resonates with everybody. Because everybody knows their property taxes are too high. You can sell that one on any side of the aisle, by the way. Everybody knows they’re too high. I don’t care who you are. They’re all high. And then, of course, you dovetail into some other things you can do. But come up with a three-point plan as to how I’m going to fix Colorado. That’s one of the things you do. Transportation, by the way, has to be one of those as well.
SPEAKER 05 :
Oh, yeah.
SPEAKER 15 :
So, point being, did I hear anybody do that? No.
SPEAKER 05 :
Well, what did you hear? I mean, how’d they do? Did anybody jump out at you?
SPEAKER 15 :
No, most of them were really, it was more about, you know, what’s Polis done in the intro. You know, I’m sure they got into more details. I didn’t watch the whole thing. I watched some intros. I watched some exits. I didn’t watch most of the inner, and maybe some would say, well, if you watch more of the middle, you’d know. But here’s my point why I only watched the beginning. If you didn’t capture me in the beginning, I’m done anyways. Right? Yeah. That’s how this works, folks. This is how politics works. If in your opening statement you didn’t capture my heart and where I want to go with your campaign, I don’t care really what else you say after that because I’m probably not there anyway.
SPEAKER 05 :
Well, John, if you don’t get them in the first 30 seconds, they’re not going to listen to your 10-point plan.
SPEAKER 15 :
Or your 30-point plan or whatever it is.
SPEAKER 05 :
That’s the first law of sales. I mean, your first 15, 30 seconds, really all you’ve got is 15 seconds to grab their attention.
SPEAKER 15 :
You’ve got to grab them. That’s why I said if I were to come out, the first thing I’d say is, and I would yell it, are you guys all ready for some change? Yeah. There’s my intro. And then you move into everything else after that. But what I heard mostly, the theme was, for most of the people that were on stage was, this is how bad things are. These are the things that I have done in business. Here’s what I’ve accomplished. Again, I get that you’ve accomplished some things. I understand that. That’s okay. But that shouldn’t be in your intro. You can talk about your accomplishments as a business owner or whatever you’ve done later. But in your opening speech, again, no one cares. No.
SPEAKER 05 :
And I’m not trying to be rude, Andy, but no one cares. John, we have to keep in mind that anybody running for governor against the Democrat. is going to be running uphill, not just because it’s a blue state, but more importantly, because in the last election, the Democrat won by 19, 20 points. And here’s what I mean. That means roughly 60% of those who are reliable voters have already committed to the D they want to be right. And so whoever we put up there is going to have to actually convince them you were wrong. Okay. And make them feel good about it. And the, The only way if you come out, if our Kennedy comes out and just bashes the Democrats, you know, that’s not going to do it. You got to come on, do what you’re saying and say, here’s what I’m going to do for you. OK, you know, Colorado is not serving you. OK, it’s not Colorado. The Colorado leadership right now is serving their activists. At your expense. You want more lanes for where you drive. You want your property taxes capped. They went through the roof. They broke your budget. You don’t want that anymore. Guess what? We lead the country in car thefts. You want that stopped. Okay? You want the homeless off the streets and cared for. Not on the streets and ruining businesses. Right. Okay? Right. They’re not serving you. They’re not serving you on the streets in front of businesses. They’re not serving you with the roads that they’re supposed to be keeping fixed and giving you more lanes, real lanes for cars to drive on. Not another bike lane. Right. Okay? Right. They’re supposed to be managing your money better, not jacking up your property taxes, then lowering them a little and telling you, look what a favor we did for you.
SPEAKER 13 :
Mm-hmm.
SPEAKER 05 :
like Polis did, okay? Polis allowed the property taxes to go up, what, 60%, 70%, and then cut it back 10% and tell you that he’s doing you a favor. It’s ridiculous. Bottom line, your Colorado government has not been serving you, the customer, and I’m not talking to you Republicans. I’m talking to all of you Coloradoans. It’s not serving you well, okay?
SPEAKER 15 :
You’re right.
SPEAKER 05 :
The schools have more money than ever and fewer students. Why are they not serving your students better?
SPEAKER 15 :
Great point. Great point.
SPEAKER 05 :
Yeah. So that’s what you need to be doing is saying, I am going to go out and tell all Coloradoans that we are going to put you first again because you haven’t been put first. You know who’s come first? The activists who put them in office. Yep. Yep. They’re catering to every one of their activist things. Hey, I got news for you. I’m, you know, I’m a Republican. I got activists who back me up, too. They’re not going to run your life either. So your lives should not be run by right-wing activists or left-wing activists. Your lives should be served.
SPEAKER 15 :
There you go. And again, for all of you that are candidates, again, and I get it, you were probably preaching, quote-unquote, to the choir, but you weren’t. Because that whole event was put out on YouTube where a lot of people that couldn’t attend will go watch it, whether you’re on the right, the left, the middle. That was a public-type meeting whereby it was going to be broadcast on down the road, meaning you had a real grand opportunity to talk to people that you might not have even talked to at that event, meaning I wouldn’t have talked to my supporters. I would have been talking to those people that I’ve never seen in my life, meaning I Sorry for some of you that said this. No one cares you’re a career politician. In fact, just me personally, that’s a strike against you because I don’t like people that that’s all they’ve ever done has been in politics. I want fresh blood. That doesn’t necessarily help you to tell everybody you’ve been in politics your whole life.
SPEAKER 05 :
No. Let’s say I was one. I would say, first of all, I want to apologize for something. I am a career politician. That would get a laugh. And say – Folks, that doesn’t mean that I’m like every career politician. I’ve been fighting for you. Here’s how. But you would lead in with that because let me tell you something, John, you are right. That’s actually a strike against you. In most cases, it is. So use it.
SPEAKER 15 :
Use it to your advantage or pivot off of that. At least get it well known that you’re there and you’re going to go do something else instead. I mean— Anyhow, I’m not being critical. This is just, you know, this is instructive criticism is probably the best way to say this. For all of you that we’re running, some of you may be listening, some of you may not. Some of you will be able to share this with somebody maybe that is. These are the things that you do to try to get more voters on your side when it’s all said and done. I get it. It’s early. But we live in a day and age. whereby you have very little chance to get people on your team and start moving that ball forward. And again, I know there’s a lot of time between now and the election, but every opportunity you have to be in front of that camera and say something knowing it’s going to get recorded and it’ll be put out on social media, YouTube, whatever, at the end of the day, you’ve got to utilize that to the best of your ability.
SPEAKER 05 :
Exactly. But can I tell you what’s the biggest problem?
SPEAKER 15 :
Go ahead.
SPEAKER 05 :
The Republican base. Because the Republican base, right now that they are trying to court the Republican base so they can become the candidate, correct?
SPEAKER 15 :
Probably, because they know if they don’t get past that, they may not be on there at all.
SPEAKER 05 :
Right.
SPEAKER 15 :
Without petitioning.
SPEAKER 05 :
Well, the problem is this. Most people in the Republican base decide who they want as a candidate based on who agrees with me the most.
SPEAKER 15 :
Meaning all of your speeches probably aren’t going to make any difference.
SPEAKER 05 :
Well.
SPEAKER 15 :
Am I right?
SPEAKER 05 :
Well, first of all, you are right. But secondly, what I mean is this. In Colorado, the number one thing that you should be looking for as a Republican voter, okay, so here they are. They’re right in front of you, all these candidates. You should be looking at them and saying, who can sell beyond the base?
SPEAKER 15 :
If this person can’t sell beyond the base— That’s what I look at. I don’t look at who do I like. I look at who is that person that I need to vote for us, who are they going to like?
SPEAKER 05 :
Right. And so the very first thing I would be looking at with these candidates is I’d listen to their messaging. I would listen to how they put things, how they put their topics, how they address them. I would listen to, do they sell well? beyond the base? Can they sell beyond the base? Because if they can’t do that, John, I don’t care. But that’s the problem is, what I just described, you and I agree on that. And we talk about it all the time, right? The vast majority of Republican voters don’t look at it that way. They choose candidates solely on who agrees with me the most.
SPEAKER 15 :
And another example, and this, again, not being critical, just showing you where I wouldn’t have gone. So Greg Lopez, who I like, I’ve interviewed Greg in the past. He’s always running good campaigns, good, solid campaigns. But one of the first things that he talked about in his opening speech, which he’s not wrong about, But this is not how I would have let off is talking about how much of a struggle it is in Colorado when you’re a small business owner, which, by the way, I am one. And I can relate to that. And I fully understand that.
SPEAKER 05 :
OK.
SPEAKER 15 :
But unfortunately, Greg, most aren’t. Most aren’t small business owners. And I hate to say it this way. I’m not sure most people care that the small business owner struggles. They don’t. I’m sorry to say that, but I care because I am one. But frankly, most don’t because they aren’t.
SPEAKER 05 :
Okay, John.
SPEAKER 15 :
Does that make sense?
SPEAKER 05 :
Yes. Before we go to break really quick.
SPEAKER 15 :
No, we got time. Go ahead.
SPEAKER 05 :
We’re fine. Let’s compare that to everything you and I have been saying before now. Okay. How many people own cars and drive on roads versus how many people are small business owners?
SPEAKER 15 :
Oh, geez, Andy. Nine to one.
SPEAKER 05 :
Yeah. Oh, okay. How many people have kids in schools that are being mismanaged versus small business owners?
SPEAKER 15 :
It’s, again, nine to one.
SPEAKER 05 :
Oh, okay. You see where I’m going with this? I know. Okay. How many people pay property taxes and have had them go up versus small business owners?
SPEAKER 15 :
A hundred to one.
SPEAKER 05 :
Oh, okay. You see where I’m going with this? The market is out there. I love Greg, by the way. Greg is a great guy. Great guy.
SPEAKER 15 :
He would make an awesome governor. Andy, they were all great people. One thing I did agree with that one person did say was, you know what? As I look at all these people that are here with me, any one of these would make a better governor than the one we have right now. Okay, I get it. Very true. I wouldn’t have probably started off saying that, but he is exactly right in what he said. He wasn’t wrong.
SPEAKER 05 :
Actually, that’s not a bad lead-in. I’ve seen candidates do that before. It’s very ingratiating with the group.
SPEAKER 15 :
And they were right, by the way.
SPEAKER 05 :
And then you go off and say, now here’s why I’d like to be the one representing you. And you’ve already gotten everybody, you’ve gotten their guard down.
SPEAKER 15 :
I get it.
SPEAKER 05 :
And then you can sell yourself.
SPEAKER 15 :
I get it.
SPEAKER 05 :
But Greg right away went to an issue. He immediately narrowed his market. And he’s right. He’s not wrong. He’s totally right.
SPEAKER 15 :
He’s not wrong in what he’s saying, but you’re reaching a very small market when you go that way.
SPEAKER 05 :
Well, when we come back, can we look at some of the names?
SPEAKER 15 :
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SPEAKER 03 :
Now back to Rush to Reason on KLZ 560.
SPEAKER 05 :
And welcome back to Rush to Reason, Denver’s Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560. Okay, John, now we’re going to look at some of the names here really quick, but once again, For the voters, please, oh please, don’t look for your purity test. Okay, in other words, which one agrees with me the most? That’s my candidate.
SPEAKER 15 :
That’s the worst thing you could ever do.
SPEAKER 05 :
Worst way to pick a candidate ever. And by the way, it totally differs. And it goes both ways. There will be people, the conservatives, who will all want Scott Bottoms. I understand that. But you’ll have then the liberals, right? I know the pro-choice on abortion candidates, Republicans, okay, the pro-choice Republicans, and they’ll want the more easy on abortion candidates. Right, candidate and so forth. They’re just as purist as the ones on the extreme right.
SPEAKER 15 :
Right.
SPEAKER 05 :
Everybody is their own purist. And I want people to understand, folks, you have to start understanding something. We are just over 20% of the electorate here in Colorado. If you aren’t looking for somebody who can sell beyond the base, then you’re not looking for someone who can win. All right. Give me some of these names and tell me what you think.
SPEAKER 15 :
Let’s do this. Let me start with Mark Baisley. I’ve interviewed him. Mark did well. Mark speaks very well. He talked about some of the programs that he’s been involved in and different things that he’s able to bring to the table and the leadership abilities and so on. And I like Mark. Mark did well as far as that goes. Scott Bottas was the second one that I think did very well along those lines as well as far as what was said. I will tell you this, and Mark and Scott, if you’re both listening, Nothing either one of you said. If I was just a regular independent voter that I didn’t know exactly who I was going to vote for, did either one of you say something that would have me vote for you? No.
SPEAKER 05 :
Were they basically trying to just reach the base?
SPEAKER 15 :
Basically.
SPEAKER 05 :
Okay. See, once again, maybe that’s smart, but for me, I’m looking for somebody who can reach beyond the base.
SPEAKER 15 :
I don’t think it’s – if you’re in a tight setting where nothing’s being televised and you’re not having it recorded to go out to the internet and so on, sure, talk to your base. That wasn’t that setting.
SPEAKER 05 :
Yeah.
SPEAKER 15 :
Because it’s getting recorded. It’s going to go out on YouTube. It’s going to be on Facebook. It’s going to be other places people are seeing. Even if it’s just the base in attendance, they’re not the only ones viewing it, Andy, is my point.
SPEAKER 05 :
Right, right.
SPEAKER 15 :
Does that make sense? Yeah. And I don’t think some of these folks thought through that. Well, I can tell you by the answers they didn’t think through that.
SPEAKER 05 :
Okay, next. Barb Kirkmeyer.
SPEAKER 15 :
She was the one that basically said, I’m a career politician. She didn’t say it that way, but… It came out that way because of how long she’s been doing this and how long she’s been doing it.
SPEAKER 05 :
Well, that doesn’t sell to anybody in the base or out of it.
SPEAKER 15 :
I’ve done this. I’ve done that. I brought you this. I brought you that.
SPEAKER 05 :
No, no, no. Don’t just reel off your resume.
SPEAKER 15 :
And, Barb, if you’re listening, please, please hear me when I say this. I don’t care what I did throughout my career. I want to know what did you do for everyone else.
SPEAKER 05 :
And by the way, John.
SPEAKER 15 :
Does that make sense, Andy? Totally. In other words, I don’t want to hear the word I. Right. If anything, you say, we did this, and with your support, we did that, and we introduced this, and we accomplished that.
SPEAKER 05 :
You don’t say I. Our last three candidates for governor all did that. Don’t say I, folks. They all reeled off their resume the entire campaign. Take it out of your vocabulary. Yeah. And here’s something that people don’t seem to understand. They’re still stuck in the past. They’re thinking 20 years ago. Folks.
SPEAKER 15 :
We’re way past that.
SPEAKER 05 :
America doesn’t elect governors anymore. It elects activists.
SPEAKER 15 :
Correct.
SPEAKER 05 :
Okay. Barack Obama had never governed anything. He was an activist. Donald Trump had never governed anything. He’s an activist. Right. Okay. Right now, it hasn’t been since Bush and Clinton and those guys that we elected people who had actually governed. Nowadays, people don’t want to hear your resume of how long you’ve been doing this and how well you can do it. It is the last thing they want to hear. It’s a terrible idea.
SPEAKER 15 :
That was another example of something that I would have done differently. I talked about Greg a little bit earlier. The sheriff, Jason Mikesell, I think he did very well. He’s a strong communicator. Also, though, tended to beat up a little bit too much on what we have as current administration. Again, the reality is… That administration’s leaving no matter what. We can complain all about what they’ve done in the direction that we’ve taken us, but the reality is he’s not running. Your opponent’s probably going to be Michael Bennett. What’s Michael done, by the way, not what Polis has done. If you’re going to go beat somebody up on the other side, it’s not Polis. He’s leaving.
SPEAKER 05 :
Yeah, but you can, to a degree, tie Bennett to Polis. You have to. What I mean is this. Let’s say you are Jason Mikesell, and you come out as the law and order guy, and you say, here’s the bottom line, folks. You’re not safe. Your kids aren’t safe in school. You’re not safe on the street. You’re certainly not safe if you go downtown in Denver after a Bronco game to get some dinner. You’re not safe. And let me tell you something. You’re not safe because of Jared Polis, and Michael Bennett is going to be exactly like him, and you know that.
SPEAKER 15 :
Yeah, it’s just POLIS 2.0. If you want to say something like that, you could do that.
SPEAKER 05 :
POLIS 2.0 is not going to make you safe.
SPEAKER 15 :
Correct.
SPEAKER 05 :
So you could go down that path. If POLIS 1.0 didn’t make you safe, why would POLIS 2.0? Now, here’s what I’m going to do to make you safe. Right.
SPEAKER 15 :
I don’t have Alex’s last name. Maybe I can grab it really quick.
SPEAKER 05 :
From Pueblo.
SPEAKER 15 :
Alex Magula. I think I’m saying that right. Maguda. Sorry, Maguda. By the way, great guy. Great delivery. Had no issues along those lines. And I don’t disagree with him, but he’s going to run on eliminating property tax. I wish that were the case. I wish you could eliminate mine, by the way. Personally. I’m all for it. Yeah, personally, I’m all for it, but that’s not going to get you elected. John, this isn’t Florida.
SPEAKER 05 :
We don’t have the Florida electorate. Ron DeSantis can run on that. Well, he can talk about that because of Florida. He has transformed Florida into a deep red state.
SPEAKER 15 :
Robert Moore, he’s a guy that comes out of the military, has a military background, went to West Point, was very involved with Compact when it first started, helped take it to the level that it was when it finally got bought by HP. Great guy, by the way, spoke very well. And again, I mean, I love your background, but what do you, and this is your intro, what are you doing for me?
SPEAKER 05 :
Now, a guy like him, he’s a very impressive guy, reeling off his resume, that will get him respect, but it won’t get him votes.
SPEAKER 15 :
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SPEAKER 03 :
The best export we have is common sense. You’re listening to Rush to Reason.
SPEAKER 15 :
All right, I’ll close this hour by saying this. If you’re running for office, this is much like a pastor at a church, or any other speaker for that matter. If you can’t capture their hearts and minds in the first 10 to 15 seconds of whatever it is you’re saying, you’ve lost.
SPEAKER 05 :
Yep.
SPEAKER 15 :
Because that’s all you’ve got, folks. In fact, attention span is getting less and less and less as we progress technologically speaking, meaning you’ve got less time today to capture them than you’ve ever had in history. I’ll leave it at that. We’ll be back. Two more hours coming your way. Rush to Reason, Denver’s Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560.
SPEAKER 04 :
Average guys. Ordinary average guys.
