In this episode of Rush to Reason, the hosts delve into diverse topics ranging from political speculations in Iran to cultural celebrations of St. Patrick’s Day. Join Andy Pate and guests Luke Cash and Tanner Cole as they discuss the irony in leadership rumors and draw parallels to societal norms. They also tackle the misconceptions surrounding stereotypes, adding humor and insight to serious topics. Get ready for a roller coaster of emotions as the narrative jumps from light-hearted banter to thought-provoking debates, inviting listeners to question everyday perspectives.
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With your host, John Rush.
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It’s Rush to Reason with your host, John Rush, presented by Cub Creek Heating and Air Conditioning.
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Filling in is Andy Pate, party of choice. And I’m your host, Andy Pate, filling in for John Rush once again. I am joined by Luke Cash. Man. And Tanner Cole. Man. That is right. There’s more manhood in here than anywhere outside of the set of 300. Just so you know, did you ever see 300? I did. Yeah, I did.
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Yeah.
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I modeled for all that. So did Richard, Richard Rush and I, we modeled for all those characters and we’re very proud of it. And our wives will tell you we’re lying. Okay. Um, well, you know, we got a lot going on today. There’s a lot going on today, but we’re going to have a little bit of fun. First of all, uh, the Iran’s supposed new leader. I don’t even know. Is he alive? I heard he like lost a leg or two or whatever.
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There’s a lot of manly hood over there.
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Yeah, a lot of manly hood over there. Well, yeah. No, folks, this is just a rumor, but I can’t help but have a little fun with it. Supposedly, according to Blaze Media, just a rumor, the Ayatollah’s son, who is now the new leader, the new Khomeini, Khomeini, Mojaba Khomeini, supposedly is gay. Bit of irony, isn’t it? In Iran. Iran.
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Interesting.
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So irony.
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Yes, exactly. Yeah. That one hurt.
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So that really hurt. And this, I’m sorry, when Trump heard this, apparently he could not stop laughing. And I mean, who wouldn’t? Folks, obviously, what do they do to gay people in Iran?
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They stone them, beat them in the street, then kill them.
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Right. So, I mean, and he’s the leader, so he’d be responsible for this. So maybe he’d have to commit the world’s first self-stoning.
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He just throws it up in the air.
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How do you even do that? I mean, that’s not even, I mean, how do you get leverage? You’re too close. I have no idea. That would be really hard. Or throw himself off a building.
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That’s easy.
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Well, stockbrokers have been doing it for decades.
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Right. And Asian students.
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Really? I did not know that. Okay. So, you know, this is kind of weird. What do you guys think about, I don’t, you know, there’s no knowing if this is true, but just hypothetically, probably the world’s most anti-gay nation. Okay. Outside of a few in Africa. Right. All right. There’s a few in Africa where it’s the same. But if their leader was gay, what would you think? Go, Tanner.
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I don’t even know because you would think like, oh, maybe they’d want the war to end because the gays say they don’t want wars when in reality they seem to want a war in our own country. But… I don’t know. I think he is probably not gay.
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Yeah, probably not.
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But the idea of it is crazy.
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Yeah, he probably isn’t. I have no idea. What do you think, Luke? Stranger things have happened.
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They have. Anything’s possible. I don’t know what to believe anymore. Everything’s AI. It’s all fake. I don’t know.
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You would think if he was gay they would have killed him by now if he was gay. And he’s like 70. Is he really? I don’t know. I’m just guessing from the photos. He looks old.
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Gee, I don’t know. I don’t think he’s 70.
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I don’t know. I mean, you would think he’s got to be at least, you know, 50 something. That’s 50 years of him not knowing he’s gay. I find that hard to believe.
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Well, yes. Apparently they’re saying that these are very strong rumors coming from well-placed sources. You know what that means. Nothing.
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Yeah, I think it’s just more like to shed a little light on the situation.
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I just think it’s kind of, it’s rather funny. And, you know, I just think it brings to light the big difference between our two nations. Right. Just socially, right? Here you can be gay, live your life. Nobody cares. Right. Right. Everybody do your thing. Live your life there. Not so much. So anyway, folks, if this is true, I don’t know if it will matter. What time is it? How long, how much longer will there be in Iran?
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I got 36 hours.
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36 hours. Okay.
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We’ve been kind of going back and forth on it, though. It’s like, ah, there’s going to be a draft. Ah, there’s not going to be a draft. Ah, there’s going to be boots on the ground. Oh, not anymore.
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No, no, no. And I’ve been saying this for weeks. If there were boots on the ground, it would mostly be the Kurds and other Arab nations sending them in. I wouldn’t be surprised if we send some in for training off-site, you know, so you possibly would lose a few that way. And, guys, coming from a veteran, which I am, and I never went to battle. I was almost sent to battle right at the end.
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Stolen valor.
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No, I didn’t claim any valor. So it’s okay. I didn’t claim valor. Unclaimed valor still on the table. Yes. They didn’t send me in. By the way, Air Force, I’m colorblind. They wouldn’t want me dropping bombs. I might not hit our side. Me too. But this was one thing that we knew, though, being in the Air Force and being in the military, was you might get sent in to die. And you don’t go in thinking, I’d better approve of this war. No, no, you don’t think that way, guys. That’s not the way you think in the military or you shouldn’t. And so, you know, I don’t want boots on the ground in Iran. I don’t think there will be American boots on the ground. Maybe a few experts, you know, maybe CIA, that kind of thing. I’m fine with that because, you know, we have insurgencies everywhere in the world anyway. But I don’t expect anything beyond that. I really don’t. What do you think?
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Well, you said experts on the ground. I thought you were going to say CNN.
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Oh, no, nobody that expert. No, no, no, no. But really quick here, let’s pivot, shall we? That’s enough about Iran. Let’s talk Ireland because today is what day? St. Patrick’s Day. Exactly. Iran, Ireland, they both start with an I, basically the same nation. Half of our listeners are rioting outside right now. I think Trump is eyeing them next.
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A lot of like-minded Middle Easterners like Iran have moved to Ireland, so they got that going for them.
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Do you think Trump would pursue Irish regime change?
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They need it. Do they have a regime? They’re falling apart. Are they really? Oh, all of the UK is falling apart.
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No, don’t give them ideas. Down with the British. Just on principle, I think.
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Well, I’ve never liked the Brits.
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No.
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I’ve always kind of liked the Irish.
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Well, I am Irish, so, you know, I like the Irish quite a bit. Hence why down with the British.
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Really quick here, we get a little bit of, just to give a little bit of the history, and most of this is not words, it’s just sounds, but a little bit of the history of Ireland from the family guy. Here we go.
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Ancient archaeological evidence indicates that Ireland was a much different place before the discovery of alcohol. Most experts believe it was something like this.
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It’s all like the Jetsons.
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Gentlemen, today we Ireland’s top scientists have found a way to convert our entire population to pure energy. Absolutely.
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Hey, Michael McCloud’s just invented a new kind of beverage in his basement. Hmm, whiskey. Yeah!
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This is quite a country, Brian. You know, Ireland has more drunks per capita than people.
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Oh, that’s a negative stereotype.
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I don’t think the Irish… No, it’s true. Is it true, Luke? I mean, would you say that Ireland has more drunks than people?
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Yeah, I think so. Because each person is drunk enough for more than one person.
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And what about some of the household pets? I mean, they probably get in on the action.
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I think so, too. I think so, too.
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You know, people who get angry at the stereotype are not… You’ve got to have fun.
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Right. I mean, I’m Irish. I love it. I think the stereotype’s hilarious.
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I drink all the time. I’m German. I get picked on nonstop. Yeah, exactly. How come you guys aren’t wearing green? It’s in my blood.
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Look at me.
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I’m wearing green.
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I’m at work in my one green shirt I didn’t want to wash. I did also actually get dressed in the dark.
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Luke, you haven’t washed a shirt in years. Why do you care? Yeah. Well, they’re next to each other. They know. All right. Guys, why don’t we go to question of the day? Sure. What do we got? Possible question of the day. Then we’re going to go to break. By the way, when we come back from break, I want to talk for a couple segments about the Oscars, but not much about the Oscars. I don’t want to go back into all their political speeches and all that. Forget that. Did you know that almost 50% of Americans did not go to the movies at a theater in the last year?
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I’m not surprised. That’s a big number.
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Right.
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Yeah.
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And there are a lot of reasons for this. I’m going to talk with you two young gentlemen. And I want to hear from people out there, too, if you want to give us a call, 303-477-5600. Have you stopped going to the movies, or do you much more rarely go to the movies, and if so, why? Why are you not going, America? Why are you not going to the theaters anymore? Because it’s noticeable, all right? But first, yesterday’s impossible question. Boy, this is hard. What Norse mythological tree connects the nine worlds? Yggdrasil. Nicely done. Can you spell it? Nope. Y-G-G-D-R-A-S-I-L. What did you say? Yggdrasil. Why did you know that?
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I looked at him immediately.
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No shot I would know that. You know, here’s the thing. I’ve known Luke for several years, and until now, he’s never had knowledge. It’s true. Of any kind on any topic ever.
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Up until the moment that this show begins, I’m actually a single-celled organism that rapidly evolves to possess his body regularly.
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I know, I know. How did you know that?
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I know a little bit about a lot of things, I guess. I don’t know. That one was in the knowledge bank.
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That’s really good. That’s really good. Okay. Let’s try it. Let’s see if you can go two for two. Today’s impossible question. What neurotransmitter is primarily deficient in Parkinson’s disease?
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I should know this one. I did take a semester of psychology.
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Yes. Yes. Just say that same answer to everything today.
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Just say a big enough word and people will assume you’re right.
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Okay, so once again here, folks, if you want to give us a call or text in, 303-477-5600 to call in. Once again, what neurotransmitter is primarily deficient in Parkinson’s disease? By the way, there are probably people out there who know someone who’s had it.
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Ozzy Osbourne.
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Yeah, it’s a terrible thing. It really is. When it takes hold of somebody, it is… Oh, it’s nasty. It is terrible.
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It’s not only your mind. I mean, it screws up your whole body.
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Was that… Did Michael J. Fox… Did he suffer from Parkinson’s? Was that what he had, or… Yeah, but I mean, he’s still alive, yes. But I mean, he’s had it now for several years.
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Oh yeah, he has stage four or five.
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It’s terrible. What a wonderful actor. Okay, folks, let’s take a break. When we come back, we’re going to talk about why people are not going to the movies anymore. Up next is Veteran Windows and Doors. Hey, with low overhead, they beat national retailers by up to 50%. Call Veteran at 303-529-0720.
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God. Country. Reason. Now back to John Rush.
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And welcome back to Rush to Reason, Denver’s Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560, Andy Pate filling in for John Rush, along with Tanner Cole and Luke Cash. Gentlemen, we have a problem, a crisis for the movie theaters right now. Americans are not going to the movies nearly as much as they used to. Now, when I was a kid, when I was your age,
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When I was your age. Back in the dinosaur era. Exactly. Writing trinidons to school. How did you know? Well, you know, I saw the cave drawings in your home the other day.
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Yeah, I’m very proud of those, by the way. When I was young, okay, everybody had been to the movies many times in the last year. Everybody. Oh, yeah. Okay. And by the way, just so you know, it’s not like movie theater food has gotten very expensive, outrageously so. There’s a reason for that. I just want to remind people, I know you get angry when you see the cost of movie theater food. They have to do that. They are not keeping the lights on with the ticket price. Right. Okay. At least half of that is going to Hollywood right off the top. Then they’ve got to pay taxes on it. They are not clearing much money. If they don’t have people buying food, they go out of business. All right. Anyway, a lot of people are not going to the movies anymore. Now, we’ll get into some of the reasons for that in a moment. But first, I want to talk just a bit about the Oscars and the awards given out because I think that that says a little bit of why. All right? Because we’re talking about Hollywood and we’re talking about what they’re excited about, what movies they’re excited to put out. Now, in the old days, when something won Best Picture… It sold tickets. People actually went to it. It wasn’t always an art film, even when I would really disagree with one. Like, to me, the worst ever was Shakespeare in Love winning over Saving Private Ryan. Okay, no offense to Shakespeare in Love, but come on. Saving Private Ryan totally reset the table for what a war movie is. Right. It blazed new trails. It was spectacular. And Shakespeare in Love, honestly, was just a pretty OK movie. It just wasn’t that good. And I just couldn’t believe it. Well, anyway, this year they gave themselves their awards and I won’t even get into their political speeches. You know, John talked about it yesterday, but best movie of the year. They gave it to one battle after another. Okay, the latest Leo DiCaprio movie, which is absolutely hyper, hyper, hyper political, hateful, anti-American, anti-MAGA, anti-anything that is remotely good. Okay, I’m just going to say it. It’s just a vicious movie. And they gave it to that. And here’s the thing. That movie lost about $100 million. Oof.
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It’s a lot of money to lose.
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Right. Nobody went to it. And by the way, I’m not just saying people on the right didn’t go to it. Nobody went to it. Okay? The movie bombed. People looked at this and said, look, right wing or left wing, we don’t want to go to your political movie. We don’t want to be lectured at for two and a half hours. Because it’s not fun, right? We want to go there for fun. Now, just as a reminder, my movie of the year was Weapons. Either of you see that?
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No, but it’s on the list of things to watch this coming Halloween.
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Yeah. Weapons is excellent. I was incredibly impressed by it. And my second best movie of the year was Novocaine, which was a dumb action movie with comedy in it, which was really good. Go ahead.
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I even saw that. I mean, it was fun. There’s no way it should be a movie of the year, and that just shows the quality we have now.
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It was a weak year. If you go back 15 years, 20 years, I wouldn’t have Novocaine in my top 20 movies. Maybe even 50. Eh, it’d be top 50. But, you know, because it was fun. It was stupid fun, right? You’ve got to understand, I’m somebody who would have Happy Gilmore in my top five.
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Because it’s a great movie. Oh, the old one or new one? The old one. Oh, yeah. Okay.
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Yeah. Yeah. This was a terrible year last year. I mean, a lot of the movies are very weak. Now, they gave it to one battle after another that lost $100 million. And not only that, but it was long, slow, and people didn’t want to see it. Okay. I think Hollywood is out of touch.
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Oh, yeah.
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Now, a lot of people have said that. Really quick here. Best actor and best actress. Okay. Best actor, they picked a guy who I think is a tremendous actor, Michael B. Jordan for Sinners. And, you know, I had him as an honorable mention. I had the best actor going to Timothee Chalamet for Marty Supreme. That is how you say his name, by the way. Really? Timothee Chalamet, yes. He’s from, like, Brooklyn.
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Yeah, but his name’s French.
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It’s French. I listened to him pronounce it. He said, here’s how you pronounce it, Timothee Chalamet. Well, anyway.
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I’m so glad the French aren’t real.
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Yeah, me too.
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Kind of sounds like the name of the Iranian leader.
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Wouldn’t it be awful if there actually was a French nation? I mean, my gosh. Thank goodness there isn’t. I’m so glad. Well, Chalamet and Marty Scream, which I thought was an average movie, but he was spectacular. I thought Sinners was overrated. I thought it was a great second half. The first half was slow. Sorry. Very artistic, very impressive in a lot of what they did. Do you like vampires? I do.
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I thought it was a nice kind of like revival of the vampire genre because you think it’s very boring and very tight. And I thought they did it in a super interesting way that I found enjoyable.
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Totally agree. I just don’t think it was one of those vampire movies that was like had me on the edge of my seat the entire time and all this, you know. It’s 30 Days of Darkness. Do you ever see that?
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Yes.
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That’ll have you on the edge of your seat the entire time, right? This one didn’t have that kind of a pace. Anyway, Michael B. Jordan won for Sinners. I think it should have been Chalamet, and actually I had several others. Josh Brolin for Weapons. Russell Crowe for Nuremberg. There were just a lot of them that were just incredible. You probably didn’t see this, but Cooper Hoffman in The Long Walk. No.
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I’ve been meaning to watch it a long time.
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Jesse Plemons, who was the villain in Begonia. And he was incredible now. This is another thing. Listen to their best pictures, their suggestions. And I want you to tell me how many of these you’ve even heard of. Begonia, before I said it. No. Okay. Yeah, barely sold. There was some great acting, but it was an average movie. F1. Okay. Yeah, heard of it. Frankenstein. Obviously, you’ve heard of it. It did nothing. Another one that lost big money.
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Wasn’t that one like a direct-to-Netflix release? Practically. It probably was.
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Hamnet. No, but that’s what I was about to say. The lady who won Best Actress was a Netflix movie. Hamnet. Is that the first time that’s ever happened?
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Yeah. Well, she’s a terrific actress.
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By the way, it’s Jessie Buck. If you’re going to win an Oscar, I feel like the movie has to be in the theaters at some point.
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No, great acting is great acting. Besides, we’re in a new age, man.
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They release the movies wherever they do. I just thought they had some rules and regulations.
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I would prefer that.
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Yeah.
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Now, really quick here. I had Emma Stone from Begonia winning Best Actress, and she was chosen. She was nominated in the top five, but she didn’t get it. It was given to Jessie Buckley of Hamnet, and she’s a wonderful actress. She was in The Bride, and she was the only, only, only good thing in The Bride, which, by the way, The Bride is losing more money than many nations. Okay, it’s so bad. Okay, going on. Marty Supreme. That made decent money. Not great. One battle after another. That one lost $100 million. The Secret Agent. What? Thank you. Sentimental Value. Haven’t heard of it. Thank you. Sinners. Okay. We are familiar with Sinners. At least that was on the map. It was a good movie. Okay. Train Dreams. You see where I’m going with this?
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Yeah.
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This is what Hollywood thinks are the best movies of the year. Okay. They were lousy. These are movies that nobody saw. Nobody wanted to see. Now, I won’t go through mine, but I’ll just say I guarantee you my top ten outsold their top ten probably eight to one. All right? It’s like, look, at some point you’ve got to make it for the audience, not for you. These can’t all be your little fever dreams of what you want to make. You’ve got to make things actually for the audience. Now, getting back to the fact that audiences are not going into the theaters, why? Why do you think that is? Go ahead, Tanner.
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Well, at first when Netflix came out, it didn’t seem too competitive. Yeah, people will be able to watch movies that are not on VHS and DVD anymore, but… I remember going to the movies twice a month, even maybe four times a month as a kid because there was always new stuff out and all of it was entertaining. It probably gave my parents a little time off, but we would go all the time. It was still affordable. My mom could spend $40 on three kids and her, if not less. Right. And now that could be $80 minimum. However, I think the product has just fallen off a gigantic cliff. Like you said, none of the movies they’re making are to an American audience. It’s to like a small little recluse American audience.
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Yeah, like Sinners, for instance. Once again, Sinners was half a movie. The second half was tremendous. The first half was boring as could be. And it was all artful. It was all very artfully impressive. But if you go back 20 years, Sinners is not in your top 20 movies.
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Right. Well, even just like Lightyear is the easiest. Like if they just made that movie and Buzz Lightyear wasn’t gay, they probably would.
SPEAKER 09 :
Well, he wasn’t, but his partner was.
SPEAKER 07 :
Yeah, whatever it was. If they just didn’t have that aspect, the movie probably would have done incredible numbers.
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It would have done much better numbers. It was still boring.
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Okay.
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But yeah, but you’re right.
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All the kids. I mean, Oh yeah.
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Yeah. Parents don’t want to explain anything. Right. Sexual to kids.
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Okay.
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Gay, straight, whatever. It’s like, these are kids. Okay. They’re five. All right. Yeah, I agree. Okay. Luke, why are people not going to the movies?
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I think, I mean, there’s a couple reasons. Okay. I mean, the quality of the movies is definitely something that can’t be ignored. I forget when it was. I wish I had the exact. I was trying to look it up while you guys were doing your bit, and I couldn’t find it enough times. The example that was given was there was a period of time where you could walk into a movie theater, and the movies that were playing right next to each other would go on to, in 10 years, become cult classics. Mm-hmm. Right. It’s like Lord of the Rings and Monsters, Inc. were playing in the exact same theater. Right. I mean, that’s a big thing.
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Well, stop for a second. Remember when Pixar put out like six straight movies that were all great? Monsters, Inc. might have been the weakest one, and it was an excellent movie, right? Monsters, Inc., if they came out with something like that today, everybody would say Pixar is totally bad.
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Right.
SPEAKER 09 :
Right? And yet Monsters, Inc., is that as good as Cars?
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Probably not.
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Finding Nemo? No. Toy Story? You see what I mean?
SPEAKER 06 :
Right. What is it? Like June 1994. You could walk into a movie theater. Yes. And you could choose from Jurassic Park, Forrest Gump, and what is it? Speed and what is it? The Lion King. Wow.
SPEAKER 09 :
Now, you guys, you’re going to hate me for this, but… Out of those four movies, my favorite, Speed. I don’t even know that one.
SPEAKER 06 :
It’s like you could go into a theater and you had to choose from those four movies. I know. Nowadays, it’s like you’re hard-pressed to find one movie a year that’s going to be memorable past that year.
SPEAKER 09 :
I remember, and this is when I was managing in a theater in the Midwest, I believe. I think I was there. Or no, no, no, no. It was the Tamarack down here south of town. And Morgan Freeman came out with two movies back to back, right? Driving Miss Daisy, Glory. They were like a week apart, one or two weeks apart. I mean, can you believe that?
SPEAKER 07 :
Incredible.
SPEAKER 09 :
These are five star movies, at least four and a half star movies, both of them. And Morgan Freeman’s in both of them because he’s Morgan Freeman and he can do whatever he wants. He’s that good. I mean, the guy played God. I mean, come on. He literally can do whatever he wants. But do you see that kind of quality coming out back to back? Now you will not have two movies that good in a year.
SPEAKER 06 :
Right. You know what I think the big reason is, is you go back to you look at like the 80s, 90s into the early 2000s, that kind of like three decade block of time. is a period in which movies have become mainstream enough to be commercially successful, so impassioned artists, people who have a clear vision and idea are putting together a movie that they love and are passionate about and throwing it out there. a little bit into like you know the 2010s and now you have you know big producers and executives trying to dip their hands in the pie it’s like well here’s what’s you know playing well with these audiences and you know we need to start injecting this and you know we all we have to you know abide by our shareholders value you know right and they’re injecting all of this like corporate gunk into what should be good movies and good story and by the way they’re putting in some other corporate gunk and that is dei i don’t know if you know this but writers
SPEAKER 09 :
used to be largely white guys. Now, I don’t care what a writer is. Black, white, male, female, gay, straight, tall, short, old, young, I don’t care, just write well. But, and I’ve heard this from a couple of different writers on the YouTube and so forth, and they’ll say, nowadays, a white male writer, unless he’s gay, almost cannot get hired in Hollywood. I’m not surprised. Virtually all the movies. And I’m not saying, gee, that’s why everything sucks. I’m saying you should never take any part of the society and block them out.
SPEAKER 07 :
Right.
SPEAKER 09 :
Okay? Whenever you do that, you kill quality across the board. Go ahead, Tanner.
SPEAKER 07 :
Um… I’m blanking on what I was saying, but while I try to think of it, 2008, I remember being good. In July, you could see Hancock, which I’m not sure that is, but The Dark Knight, Mamma Mia, Step Brothers, and then Kung Fu Panda came out right before that, and Get Smart, and WALL-E. So it’s just like, I would watch any of those movies again, and I’ve seen them all probably at least five times each. There’s just a lack of substance. I think there’s a lack of ideas as well.
SPEAKER 09 :
Get Smart was funny. And back then, Get Smart was considered not a very good movie.
SPEAKER 06 :
it was it was so funny but it’s really really funny now if get smart came out that same one with steve carell it’d be the funniest movie of the year easily right yeah i think you also have uh you know we’re talking about netflix and stuff like that you have to contend with people’s time and effort you know me and tanner come home from a 40-hour work week you know uh say friday we relax and then saturday we have a choice of what we’d like to do with our weekend Well, if I can just press the play button on my remote and view whatever movie I want, that’s cool. If you want to get me into my car to drive 30 minutes to the nearest good theater to spend $20 on popcorn, you need to put on a good movie.
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The best export we have is common sense. You’re listening to Rush to Reason.
SPEAKER 09 :
And welcome back to Rush to Reason, Denver’s Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560, Andy Pate filling you for John Rush, along with Luke Cash and Tanner Cole. Okay, now guys, they have some excuses, and this is one you’ve probably heard a lot. Have you heard about superhero fatigue?
SPEAKER 10 :
Yeah.
SPEAKER 09 :
Okay. Yes. Yes. And so every time the latest Marvel or DC Comics movie does poorly. We hear all the people from the studio or the actors or the directors, everybody saying it’s superhero fatigue. That’s why people are tired of it. Now they’re using it in many different genres. Western fatigue, space movie fatigue, horror fatigue, and so forth and so on. I’m just fatigued from bad movies. Yeah. Well, that’s what I wanted to get to. Okay. No, no, no. But you nailed it. Really quick here, Luke. Yeah. Okay, what if you went home? Sure, going home, yeah. Saturday, let’s say Saturday afternoon, you’re just kind of bumming around, and you throw on the original The Avengers.
SPEAKER 06 :
Oh, such a good movie.
SPEAKER 09 :
Or the original Guardians of the Galaxy, or the original… Iron Man.
SPEAKER 06 :
Iron Man. The original Iron Man. Any of those. Funny enough, I got a quick little anecdote. My girlfriend has only ever seen, up until I forced her to sit down and watch some of them, the newer Marvel movies. A new Marvel movie would come out and she’d go, this is awful. Why are you guys?
SPEAKER 09 :
We should take up a collection for her.
SPEAKER 06 :
Yeah, she goes, why do you guys keep watching this? And I’m trying to explain to her, it’s like, Tiffany, because maybe one day it’ll be good again. And she didn’t understand. So I sat her down, me and my friends, we got together, and we watched Iron Man, the first Avengers, you know, the first Guardians of the Galaxy. Captain America. Captain America. And we watched them all back to back, and at the very end, she goes… Oh!
SPEAKER 09 :
Those are really good movies. Okay, let me throw another one in here. Dark Knight. Yes. Batman, Dark Knight. Love all three of them. And I can throw a few more in there. You get where I’m going. Here’s what I wanted to ask you guys. So if you just rent these… Right. These are superhero movies and you’ve already seen them and you’ve seen many since then. And you watch those at home. Do you feel fatigued?
SPEAKER 07 :
No.
SPEAKER 09 :
No. Why?
SPEAKER 07 :
Because they’re actually well-made movies. They’re good. There’s a plot. There’s everything that a movie should. And nowadays there seems to be nothing. I mean, people used to go to the movies as their main source of like free time.
SPEAKER 09 :
Oh, it’s just great. It’s fantastic, especially for parents. Oh, yeah. Put your kids in there for an hour and a half of babysitting.
SPEAKER 07 :
Even when Luke and I as parents and you were growing up, everyone was going to the movies for a date or that was just a place to hang out.
SPEAKER 09 :
I think that there are a number of reasons. First of all, they’re simply not of the same quality. They’re not edited well. But there’s another reason. I believe their characters aren’t real. Whatever I mean is this when you’re watching a movie you want to look at the characters they can even be bizarre characters in bizarre situations but you want to think that they are people you can actually relate to in some way right okay so when you’re watching Raiders of the Lost Ark with Indy you can still relate to him even though this is a fantastic situation he’s going through if you watch Star Wars okay uh let’s say you watch the original Star Wars with Luke Leia Han Do you feel fatigued with space movies while you’re watching that? Not at all, right?
SPEAKER 07 :
Those were the first movies I ever loved.
SPEAKER 09 :
Okay, this is what you feel today now when you watch movies. First of all, you feel DEI placement. I’m not saying I need to see a bunch of white people. Heck no, man. Give me Shawshank Redemption. I’m there, baby, because it’s great. But you feel like it’s forced.
SPEAKER 07 :
Oh, yeah.
SPEAKER 09 :
And in real life, you don’t feel like things are forced this way. And here’s another thing. All the characters are not what you would expect. Let me give you an example. Terrorists. You’ve got terrorists in movies, right? Did you know that terrorists in the movies, probably 90, 95% of them are what? White. White, male.
SPEAKER 07 :
Masculine.
SPEAKER 09 :
Militia guys in their compounds. Maybe KKK, Nazi. They’re always of that type, right? And that is what they think is the entire world of terrorists, okay, in real life. That group comprises what percent of terrorists? One? If. Two? Tops? I mean, barely. Okay. Terrorists in real life, let’s face it, what are they?
SPEAKER 07 :
Middle Eastern.
SPEAKER 09 :
They’re Muslim for the most part. They’re also Antifa, BLM, the people who are tearing up, blowing up the cities and so forth. So what you’ve got are basically, I’ll just say it, terrorists are… almost all left wing. They just are. Okay. And I say that as somebody who was raised left wing. Okay. I’ve seen both sides, but they just happen to be. Okay. We on the right, we have our, we don’t kill you. We just annoy you to death. Right. Okay. That’s kind of what we do because we’re pushy. Okay. It’s what we are. And I know that. But, and then you will wish that a terrorist would come along after listening to me for a while, but this is, this is the thing. They’re not real. When you put out a world, an imaginary world of all these movies, and all the villains are white conservative men. Now, obviously that’s offensive to half the country’s population. Probably more, yeah. All right. But you know what? It’s also boring for the other half because the other half is saying, man, I can predict who the bad guy is 20 minutes in. So I know it’s not this one.
SPEAKER 07 :
Right.
SPEAKER 09 :
and because they’re totally predictable this is here’s another thing uh in real life gay people can be really nice and cool or jerks like anyone else right right they’re they’re people in the movies gay people are about 99 sinless creatures each one is a cross between jesus mother teresa and gandhi They never do anything wrong. They’re always oppressed. They are always in the right. They are never the villain. You see what I’m saying?
SPEAKER 10 :
Yeah.
SPEAKER 09 :
But in the real world, you might have one as a boss who’s a jerk. Or you might have one as a boss who’s great.
SPEAKER 10 :
Right.
SPEAKER 09 :
They’re people. In the real world, it’s scattered and normal. But in the movies that they’ve been putting out, it’s forced.
SPEAKER 07 :
Right.
SPEAKER 09 :
Demographically forced. I guess that’s what I’m getting to. They’re putting out a world of demographically forced stereotypes… And it doesn’t feel real anymore. And if it doesn’t feel real, it’s hard to get into the movie. Go.
SPEAKER 07 :
I think the only movie I saw that was new this year or within the last year and a half was The Wrecking Crew. And it’s a dumb action comedy. But I actually felt like I was immersed in the movie. And like I could relate with the characters, relate with the plot. They don’t have any of that now. No. It’s completely gone. Even like WALL-E, the robot, you love him. And you’re so caught in the moment, caught in the movie.
SPEAKER 09 :
Yeah.
SPEAKER 07 :
That doesn’t happen anymore. If I watch a new movie, I’m like drifting off. I have to watch a movie that’s at least five years old at this point to even feel like I can relate or I’m somewhat immersed. I’m dedicated to learning more about the story. I want to know what’s happening. That doesn’t happen now.
SPEAKER 09 :
Even with the first movie, Cars, okay, you had actually a car character who was Hispanic, one that came off as they were Italian. Yeah. Another one that came off as black. So they were diverse, but nothing was forced and shoved on you. Right. And you didn’t have this color has to be good. That one could be bad.
SPEAKER 10 :
Mm-hmm.
SPEAKER 09 :
It was a mix across the board, and guess what was fun? Guess what, though? In Cars 2 and 3, they went political. Got in your face. They hated fossil fuels, and they preached at you.
SPEAKER 10 :
That’s funny.
SPEAKER 09 :
And guess what? In real life, when you’re just driving a car, are you thinking about fossil fuels? No. If you’re a race car driver, are you thinking about fossil fuels?
SPEAKER 10 :
Never.
SPEAKER 09 :
Once again, they stopped having a real world. They had an unreal world. And here’s what I’m getting to, and we’ll go to John and Cheyenne here in a moment. That’s the fatigue. The fatigue is when you feel that they are forcing you into an unreal world. And I mean all the movies are unreal worlds, but you know what I mean. I’m talking about the characters. When they force you into something that’s not natural, you feel fatigued. It’s tiring. What do you think, Luke?
SPEAKER 06 :
Yeah, like I said, I think you’re seeing a lot of just like corporate gunk. It’s people in boardrooms who don’t have a story to tell. They have a message to send. And that’s not what people want, especially not right now. Even if you… are a person who is relatively happy with the state of things, it’s hard to look around and go, man, everything everywhere is going great. You know, there’s always something, always something going on. You go to a movie, for the most part, to get a little escape from reality, to have a little, you know, step away from the… stuff that’s going on in your life and enjoy a movie for a moment. And I was like, well, man, I’m stepping out of my life to go into a worse, exaggerated version of my life.
SPEAKER 09 :
Right, right. And let’s face it, in real life, you don’t want to be preached to all the time. Do you go places to be preached to all the time? I don’t think so.
SPEAKER 07 :
No.
SPEAKER 09 :
All right. Up next is John Cheyenne. John, what do you think? Why do you not go to the theaters as much?
SPEAKER 05 :
Oh, my wife and I, when we first got married, and that was, you know, 30-something years,
SPEAKER 09 :
Are you there, John? You dropped out. Oh, I’m sorry. Can you hear me now? Yeah, and I can tell you, you don’t go to the theaters anymore because you’ve been married so long. The romance is gone now. I mean, that’s what it is.
SPEAKER 05 :
Well, there’s not anything worth dropping that kind of cash that I can’t wait until it’s on streaming for, you know. Not much. That’s part of the thing. You know, you were saying the concessions. You know, a bucket of popcorn for two is now $10.
SPEAKER 10 :
At least.
SPEAKER 05 :
Right. If not more. You know, two tickets for the movie. So I can tell you the last five movies my wife and I have been to, and this is how much we’ve dropped off. Endgame. Wow. Top Gun Maverick. Okay. Superman, the one that came out over the summer, I thought that was a good movie. It was pretty good. And then just throughout the end of the year, Song Sung Blues, which we really enjoyed. It was a well-done movie. But it’s got to be something that one of us wants to see enough to make it worth it to drive into town, go to Laramie, go to dinner. And Laramie has one of the nicest… They built a new theater maybe… Eight years ago, all recliners. Very, very nice.
SPEAKER 09 :
They’re great, aren’t they?
SPEAKER 05 :
Oh, great. I mean, there’s not any reason not to watch it. But like this year, other than probably Doomsday and maybe because they’re going to release it in the fall, I might go see Endgame again on the big screen.
SPEAKER 09 :
Well, John, really quick here, you know, what’s your age? How old are you, roughly?
SPEAKER 1 :
64.
SPEAKER 09 :
Right. Okay, just so you know, people generally will listen and they think, well, older people, they’re really shocked by the prices. And that’s why they don’t go, right? No, really quick here. I’ve got the stats right in front of me. People who are 65 years and older, only 17% of them are going less because of the cost. It’s much more because of a, it’s much more than 45% for that age group. It is lack of interest in most movies that are playing. They’re not interested in these movies. Ticket prices are only 17%. Now for these two young guys, ticket prices are 28%. Right. Lack of interest, 25%. Okay. The movies have been a little worse for everybody, but for you guys who are used to seeing the greats, it’s just not measuring up.
SPEAKER 05 :
I was class of 79, so that’ll tell you. Okay. We had a lot of great movies come out when I was in high school. That was 90% of the times your first date was taking a girl to a movie. Yeah. You know, and that was usually the first date. And I remember when I was in high school, adult admission was four bucks. Now, I’m sure there’s somewhere out there that the If you did the math for just inflation since the late 70s to now, the cost probably has just gone up with inflation. I don’t think it’s gone up much more than that. So it’s not the cost. I mean, I can afford to go to a movie. It’s give me something to go see.
SPEAKER 09 :
Yeah, you’re actually right, by the way. The movies and the theaters, the prices have gone up right with inflation over the last few years. They haven’t gone faster. But go ahead, John. Get another minute.
SPEAKER 05 :
I mean, prime example. What are the movies you have seen coming attractions for that you want to see this year?
SPEAKER 09 :
Well, I’m seeing one this week, and that is Project Hail Mary.
SPEAKER 06 :
I’m excited for Project Hail Mary, and that’s it. That’s the only one.
SPEAKER 05 :
What’s the gist of Project Hail Mary? I haven’t seen it.
SPEAKER 09 :
Well, there’s a guy who’s got to save the world because our sun is burning out, and he’s got to go up to another place with another sun and make a friend with another alien and hopefully figure it out. I know it sounds boring, but it sounds pretty good.
SPEAKER 05 :
It sounds like it. No, I’m a sci-fi geek like you are. Andy, back in the day, Before VHS even existed, I saw Star Wars 28 times in the theater over those first two summers. Wow.
SPEAKER 09 :
You’re like girls with Titanic.
SPEAKER 06 :
If you’re a big sci-fi nerd, Project Hail Mary, it’s based off of a book by Andy Weir, who also did The Martian. Really good science part of the science fiction.
SPEAKER 09 :
I think this is going to be the best sci-fi space movie in several years. John, we’ve got to let you go. You’ve got 10 seconds.
SPEAKER 05 :
Go. Have a good night. Take care.
SPEAKER 09 :
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Now back to Rush to Reason on KLZ 560.
SPEAKER 09 :
And welcome back to Rush to Reason, Denver’s Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560. We are talking about why people aren’t going to the theaters. Got a couple minutes left here. And I think one of it is COVID fallout. People changed their flight pattern. And this didn’t just affect theaters. It affected restaurants, right? It affected retail. People learn to cook at home much more. They learn to order online much more than retail, and now they’re streaming rather than going to theaters. I think people just got used to not going. What do you think?
SPEAKER 06 :
Yeah, I think there’s definitely a lot of truth to that. People realize that, oh, there’s other options now, right? We’re talking about Netflix. It’s like, oh, I can’t go to the theaters. What else can I do? We’ll do Netflix, Hulu, whatever. And then they get hooked into that ecosystem of, oh, well, I’m already here. Might as well just stay here.
SPEAKER 09 :
And they’re also spending money on those things.
SPEAKER 06 :
Yeah.
SPEAKER 09 :
Right? Really quick here. I think it’s a shame, though, because there’s nothing like the theater because it’s the roar of the crowd. Okay? And there’s nothing like seeing a kid’s movie with kids, a bunch of them in there laughing. This is why there’s a difference between watching the Broncos on TV or going to a game.
SPEAKER 06 :
Yeah.
SPEAKER 09 :
You see what I mean? Or going to a concert at Red Rocks versus just listening online. You see what I mean? There’s a real difference. Do you miss the crowds, Tanner?
SPEAKER 07 :
I love going to the movies, but if there’s not one that I think is worth going, I’m not spending the money.
SPEAKER 09 :
Yeah, it’s got to be good and not enough have.
SPEAKER 07 :
Even if I’m disappointed, like at least the preview or whatever, I got to be intrigued and I’m just not. The last one I went to was Reagan and that’s a year and a half ago.
SPEAKER 09 :
Yeah. Luke, go.
SPEAKER 06 :
Yeah, I miss it. I do. I enjoy going to the movies. My big thing is, like we’ve all been saying, just nothing good out. Project Hail Mary is the first movie in a while that I’ve been excited for enough to see it within the first two days of release. Right.
SPEAKER 07 :
I also think Amazon and Netflix have so much money now, and maybe even throw Hulu into there, that they can just make their own movies and put them on their sites and people watch them. And all they have to do is pay their little monthly subscription instead of going into theaters and seeing whatever Hollywood’s broke budgets.
SPEAKER 09 :
Okay, well, here’s my final message. Hollywood, quit congratulating yourself at your awards shows and start making better movies. Because people, if they’re going to put down the amount of money they’ve got to put down to go in there, buy the popcorn, get a drink, you’ve got to put out a better film. And you’ve got to also put out real characters that we relate to, not a bunch of forced demographics. Sound fair?
SPEAKER 10 :
Yeah, sounds fair.
SPEAKER 09 :
All right, folks, that’s it for Hour 1 and Hour 2. I’m joined by Jersey Joe. Hour 3, it’s going to be Eli Bremmer. And by the way, Tanner, thanks for joining me.
SPEAKER 10 :
Of course.
SPEAKER 09 :
Luke, thanks for joining me. Thank you. Folks, until then, keep it right here on Rush to Reason, KLZ 560.
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