Join host John Rush as he delves into the essential role of nurses in patient advocacy with Dr. Kelly Victory. Together, they uncover the politicization of healthcare practices and discuss alarming trends where political biases could affect patient care significantly. Dr. Kelly shares insights that challenge the current ethical standards and the integrity of care in today’s healthcare environment.
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All right, welcome to another edition, Rush to Reason, Denver’s Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560. Happy Thursday to everybody. Dr. Kelly Victory with us today. Dr. Kelly, how are you?
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I am well. Thanks for having me, as always.
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We just plan on having Steve House with us today. In fact, all of you listening, I promo’d that, but Steve just texted literally about five minutes ago, and he is stuck on an airplane because you know how that is, Dr. Kelly. Sometimes flights just don’t always go as planned.
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I do. In fact, it’s more common than not that there’s going to be a glitch somewhere in the system.
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Yep. So, Steve, if you’re able to listen, no problem at all. We will catch you next week, and I appreciate all that he does for us. I did want to involve him in today’s conversation, but I think you and I will do our best on this one. And I didn’t preface this with you, so I apologize, Dr. Kelly. We got to talking about this whole idea of there’s the labor union for nurses and so on, and they came out with a statement here of late talking about how they want to make sure that they’re taking care of, not taking care of their patients, advocating for their patients. And what I mean by that is they don’t like folks like you and I. They don’t like our side of the aisle. They don’t like our political beliefs. And in turn, they’re going to advocate, quote, unquote, for patients, if you would. patient advocates. I thought they were there to care for the patient, period. In fact, hospitals have special patient advocates that do just that. I didn’t know that was the role of a nurse.
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Well, I would argue that it is actually the role of a nurse to advocate for the patient, meaning to make sure that they’re getting the correct care, to make sure that the doctor is attentive to them to make sure that they’re able to get, for example, a prescription filled. It’s the nurse. It’s generally the nurses who follow up on things like, wow, does this person have a hardship that they won’t be able to get this prescription filled? That’s something that the doctors don’t generally do. That said, what we are exposing here, John, and it is alarming. I think it really elevates to the level of domestic terrorism. What we are revealing is these liberal, uber progressive health care givers, not just nurses, also doctors and PAs and other people who have posted that they would treat patients differently based on their political standing. In other words, if they found out that someone was a Trump supporter, pro-Maha, MAGA, conservative, you know, insert whatever, that they would treat those people differently and generally more poorly or that they would withhold medication, they would withhold care, they would in some way be punitive to these people. And that is both terrifying and completely unacceptable.
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Yeah, thank you. I agree. And by the way, thank you for the explanation on, you know, what nurses actually should and shouldn’t be doing. And I guess my run in with most nurses is and I’m not trying to be critical and I’m not in your world, Dr. Kelly. I’m from the outside and I’m always the patient. I’m never that provider. And I will say that there’s been some really great nurses. I went through a lot of things with my. Folks here of late, you know, last couple of years, and I saw some really great people that did exactly what you’re talking about and were tremendous. On the same token, I saw some where literally you could tell they were there punching the clock and that’s all they were doing. They really had no care or concern over anyone outside of themselves.
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Yeah, I think in general, I hate to say it, I think the quality of health care in this country, and that goes along, you know, nursing and the caring component, the humanitarian component of health care has suffered greatly. Patients have become a commodity. Doctors and nurses are incentivized just to improve what is called throughput, meaning see patients faster, turn them over more quickly, as if you’re at a Denny’s trying to flip the table so you can see another customer. This has been going on for some decades. And unfortunately, the COVID debacle put a massive punctuation mark in that downward spiral.
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I had another question that came in. Sorry, let me jump back to the whole nurse end of things before I move on. And this was a question that came in from some listeners the other day, wanted me to ask you specifically. And that is, when it comes to these particular nurses, in some cases, it’s even doctors whereby they want to withhold care from some that may not hold their same political beliefs. How are, and this is where I wanted Steve to chime in, how are we holding these folks accountable for that? Or are we?
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We aren’t. And that’s why, you know, it’s one of the things I would say about social media that is so powerful when these vile, unprofessional, really evil health care providers have not just thought these things, but have had the, you know, the idea to post them on social media. We are able to take action to very quickly find their name, find their license number, find where they practice. and alert not only the facility at which they are currently employed, but also alert the state licensing agencies, whether it’s the nursing board or the medical board or whoever it is. In the state of Florida, Florida Surgeon General Dr. Joseph Latipo has actually stripped the licenses from a number of health care providers, mostly nurses, who have been posting this stuff. Not because, and again, before people start their hair on fire that this is You know, everybody has a First Amendment right to say what they want. You absolutely have a First Amendment right to say these vile things. But you don’t have a right to have a medical license and to touch patients if that’s how you feel. Because there is a code of ethics and a code of conduct that prohibits you from actually practicing medicine in any form if you cannot treat patients equally.
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And the one thing, too, that you know they’re big on, of course, is they want to see the total removal of ICE. They want to see that agency actually abolished. That’s what the nurses, for those of you listening, that’s what the nurses, I’m reading it in front of me, that’s what the nurses union is calling for is literally to just abolish ICE altogether, that they wreak havoc on hospitals and this, that, and the other. And the reality is we’re still, Dr. Kelly, a nation-wide, of laws at least last time i checked we were and we need to be you know enforcing our immigration laws and so on and at the end of the day and i think this is where a lot of the folks on the left are getting things completely you know wrong i mean if we don’t hold immigration laws up in other words if we if we don’t fulfill the duty that we have as a country then it becomes a free-for-all and i don’t care if you’re a nurse a doctor a factory worker whatever the case may be reality is If somebody’s here illegally, especially in the case of what ICE is doing right now, they’re not only here illegally, but they’ve got some sort of a criminal record that’s hanging around their neck. In some cases, these are very bad individuals. And yes, I get it. They may need medical care at times. And the Hippocratic Oath is going to allow the nurses to actually work on those individuals. But the fact that ICE is there to pick them up when you’re done would be no different than picking up a prisoner that needs to go to jail because he just murdered somebody. How is it any different, Dr. Kelly?
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It isn’t. And I cannot honestly believe, John, that anybody is supporting these ideas of abolish ICE, open the borders, you know, any of this stuff. They either it’s one of two things. Either they have an alternative motive, likely with many, many of the Democrats, certainly in Washington, it’s to throw the vote. It’s people who are illegal immigrants are going to vote Democrat. They’re easily manipulated. Their votes can be bought. It doesn’t take much, a simple cell phone vote. or a gift card, and they will vote the way you tell them. It’s either that, or it boils down to an IQ test. You just aren’t that bright, because you can’t possibly believe that if you open the borders, that that is a sustainable model. There’s a reason why no other country on the planet… Does that. OK, you can’t walk into Mexico. You can’t walk into Canada and you certainly can’t walk in and then also demand services, free health care, free food, free transportation, free education and on and on and on. And anybody who thinks that you can simply is devoid of the most rudimentary common sense.
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All right, we are back. Rush to Reason, Denver’s Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560. Appreciate you all listening to us. Dr. Kelly Victory with us today. Questions for her. Send us a text message, 307-282-22. Got a message in a moment ago, Dr. Kelly, right before we started the show. And we’ve talked about this before, but I always have to remind myself that we have different people to listen at different times. So we’ve covered this, but we’ll cover it again for all of you listening. There’s all sorts of conversation now, Dr. Kelly, around colon cancer and the fact that that under 50 age It’s continuing to grow. We just saw, you know, Van Der Beek, you know, he just passed away. And there’s another article that I’ll get into in a moment along those lines in regards to his medical bills and so on. But reality is there’s a lot of younger people now that are getting colon cancer, dying from colon cancer. And I mean, I think, again, we’ve talked about this plenty in the past. And I was talking to somebody about this the other night and I said, OK, time out just for one second. Think about this. What’s changed in the last five years that would indicate that these younger people are now having colon cancer when they didn’t have it prior to 2020, 2021? And of course, people look at me with this dumbfounded look, Dr. Kelly, and I simply explain to them it’s called a vaccine. The reality is we didn’t have this problem prior to that, but we do now. Why is this so hard for folks to figure out, Dr. Kelly?
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It’s really a cognitive dissonance, John. They don’t want to acknowledge it because nobody wants to believe that they were duped, that they were foolish, that they were led by fear rather than facts, that they caved to the pressure, to the isolation and the shaming and everything else, and that they may have put themselves at harm. The facts are, as you are representing them, are true. We have seen significant increases in cancers across the board. and we are seeing them in much younger people, groups of people in whom we normally didn’t see them. Other than the leukemias, cancers are normally an issue of aging. You don’t start to see significant cancers until the fifth, prior to COVID, the 50s, 60s, 70s, and beyond. Now, all of a sudden, in the past four years, for the first time in history, colon cancer has eclipsed lung cancer as the leading cancer cause of death in Americans, and we are seeing it in people literally in their 20s, 30s, and 40s. You probably know, most people, that the recommendation to have your first, your initial screening colonoscopy is age 50, unless you have a strong family history. And that’s because we didn’t routinely screen people in their 40s, let alone 30s and 20s, because those groups of people didn’t get colon cancer.
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Right.
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Until now, now, all of a sudden, not only are people in their 20s, 30s and 40s getting colon cancer, but they are advanced cancers by the time they’re ever diagnosed. So the actor you’re just referencing, he was at stage three when he was diagnosed, died very quickly thereafter. So you would have to in order to pick these up. And I’ve absolutely no question that they are a direct result of the mRNA shots. There are 17 currently identified mechanisms by which those shots both induce and promote cancer, not just colon cancer, but cancer in general. You would have to change the guidelines for screening to be not only First one at 50, it would have to be at age 20. You’d have to change it by 30 years.
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Okay, so I’m glad you just said that, because my question to you would be for folks that are listening, and I get it. We’ve got folks, Dr. Kelly, that are listening to us now that, frankly, were not listening to us back then, didn’t know some of the risks, didn’t know, you know, they just… Frankly, because of what you just said a moment ago, even because they were really led astray, led to believe that this was the cure-all, in a lot of cases people took them because they weren’t listening to us. They didn’t know us at that time even. They may not have even known we exist. They do now because of other people telling them about us and what we’ve done and so on. But the reality is there’s people listening right now. Some of them might even be in their 20s and 30s that did get the shot and how many they got and how many boosters they got. You know, I have no idea. So my question to you would be, and I don’t know how this works on insurance and all of that on the preventative side. At what age now, if you’re somebody that’s actually gotten the shots, what age would you get a colonoscopy at this point in time?
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Well, it’s a great question. The reality is, unfortunately, until the recommended guidelines change, which would require an acknowledgement by the powers that be that this significantly increased risk of cancer exists, so it’s a lot of leaks. Until that happens, insurance is not going to pay for it.
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Okay, and really quick, what does one, so not under insurance, what does, you know, if somebody just wanted to go and have one done because they’re listening to us and they’re thinking, wait a minute, screw insurance, I could care less whether they pay for it or not. What’s out of pocket on one cost, roughly?
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It’s probably, if you ask, and you would have to go in and say, I want to pay, I want a cash price. I want this done, but it would probably be between $800 and $1,500. Okay. And that’s going to be very dependent on what state you’re in and other things. Okay. But that’s probably a reasonable range. Okay. But if you decide to go that route, and it’s not a bad way to go, by the way. Make sure that you ask, say, I want a screening colonoscopy because I’m concerned that I had the vaccines and I know I’m at increased risk. What is your cash price? I’m not putting this through on my insurance. The other option is And that’s not nearly as good, certainly as a colonoscopy would be to do something like Cologuard. Right. You know, there are both blood tests and stool tests to at least start to screen for some of the other signs, whether it’s occult, meaning blood in the stool that you can’t see. There’s some basic things you can do that are very inexpensive, you know, meaning under one hundred dollars. So I think there are some other options, and you, without question, should be discussing this with your primary care doctor. If your primary care doctor is not aware that the mRNA shots increase your risk of cancers across the board, and certainly colon cancers, then you need to educate your doctor or find a different doctor.
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And as we’ve talked before, and this is where, you know, I’m not you. I don’t know all of the inner workings as to how this works. I know on the cellular level a lot of things that you have explained and we’ve talked about. I guess the question I have when it comes to choleric cancer in general is why that? I mean, you just said a moment ago that it’s becoming a higher leading cause of death than lung cancer. What makes, you know, your colon and all of that more susceptible in this particular situation than other parts of the body, or do you know?
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Well, again, it’s deaths from that thing. Well, a couple of things. Number one, if I had to summarize the mechanisms by which these shots induce and promote cancer, they fall into a couple of different categories. The first category would be because they damage your immune system. And we’ve talked about this so many times, but it bears repeating, John. Your first line of defense against cancer is your immune system. That’s right. We all have cancer cells in our body all the time.
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Right.
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DNA gets damaged. You get exposed to toxic things. We all have abnormal cells. It is the job of a healthy immune system to recognize that abnormal cell, whether it’s a breast cell, colon cell, lung cell, prostate cell, and say, whoa, that’s not normal, and simply wipe it out the same way it wipes out a bacterium or a virus or anything else. That’s what the immune system does. So number one, the shots harm your immune system. Number two, they harm your innate God-given DNA repair system. As I said, we all have abnormal cells. The immune system is supposed to wipe them out. You also have innate DNA repair. You’ve got little workmen who go out and fix the DNA that got broken. The shots damage that. And then on top of it, they cause your immune system to attack itself, to be confused and to start attacking, which is why people get all of these autoimmune conditions, whether it’s psoriasis, eczema, peanut allergies, you know, on and on and on. So why colon? I think, number one, the cells of the lining of the colon are damaged. rapidly dividing anyway. The colon lining, the mucosa, turns over quickly. So any rapidly developing cell, like a skin cell, is more prone to cancer already because it’s rapidly developing. Secondly, colon cancers, unlike some other cancers, colon cancers tend to have no symptoms. You don’t develop a cough or coughing up bloody students.
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That’s right.
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So by the time you actually find out that you’ve got it, it’s way in there.
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You’re stage 3 or 4, depending upon when you find it, right?
SPEAKER 11 :
Exactly.
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Yeah.
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Exactly.
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And for those of you listening, this is where, yes, I’m older and… Yes, because my dad had colon cancer. I’m one of those now. Dr. Kelly, it has to go in every three years, not even every five years. Anyways, long story. I’ve had several of them done. And I also know that while they’re doing them, the advantage of doing them, you know, more routinely is if they do find a polyp or something like that, they can go in and remove that, whereby it becomes pretty easy at that point to control things. Where, to your point, if you don’t do that and you’re in your early 20s and those things are growing, well, by the time you get to stage three or four, you’re, I hate to say you’re, you know, I don’t want to say you’re done, but it’s not good.
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Right. I mean, you know, the horse is out of the barn. You know, once it is not localized just to the colon and it’s actually spread to local lymph nodes or, worse yet, spread beyond local lymph nodes to more diffuse lymph nodes or to the bone or elsewhere in your body where colon cancers tend to metastasize, then it makes it extraordinarily difficult to treat. and it makes it impossible to get a cure. If you have a cancerous polyp, for example, and it hasn’t spread to lymph nodes, you can just nip that polyp out, and it’s a cure. It’s a cure. There’s no other treatment needed. There’s no chemo. There’s no radiation. There’s no nothing. So colon cancer goes from being completely curable by removing a cancerous growth or polyp
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to you know fundamentally uh a really bad outcome if it’s already spread and again to answer the and again the person that texted very genuine and very genuine question which i appreciate and again the reason our belief as to why you’re seeing much more of them now colon cancer and people under the age of 50 i should say versus what you saw even you know prior to five years ago Four years ago, probably, to be exact. Reality, Dr. Kelly, is, and to me, this is simple. I mean, this is just simply looking at the data. Okay, we go up to 2021, and we have most people that are getting colon cancer. You know, even then, you don’t do screenings until you’re 50, unless you’ve had some sort of a family history or something like that. But typically, it’s, you know, 50, and then 55, and 60, and so on. You do it every five years, roughly. And most people are pretty good with that, and it’s a non-issue. Now, we go from that. to now, some five years later, to where there’s a plethora. I mean, it’s making the news even. They’re even talking about how the numbers have just skyrocketed, the amount of people that are getting colon cancer under the age of 50. And to me, it’s like, okay, well, time out. There’s only been one thing, because you can’t say that our food source changed, that people’s habits changed, that their environment changed. I mean, if anything, Dr. Kelly, some of these people are probably eating more healthy now than than they were a few years ago. So you can’t blame it on the food, the food source, anything else along those lines. Reality is there’s one major thing that has, in my opinion, that made the change.
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I agree. And to be very clear, obviously, cancer is multifactorial. You know, we had cancers way before we had mRNA shots. Absolutely highly processed food, eating large quantities of charred, in other words, burned food, charred steaks and eating highly processed meats. They’re full of nitrates. Glyphosate certainly contributes to the incidence of cancer. Smoking and drinking together causes an increase in colon cancer. Lots of other things. But what’s the thing that changed precipitously? in 2021. And it’s the shot because there wasn’t all of a sudden an explosion of people going for steaks, charred medium, and all of a sudden a bunch of people who hadn’t been smoking and drinking before all of a sudden in 2021 started. The thing that changed, and I defy you to come up with something else, the idea, by the way, that it was COVID itself has really been debunked because we are not seeing those increases and those turbo cancers in people who weren’t vaccinated, even though that group is relatively small, probably about 20 to 25 percent of the population. We are not seeing those increased cancer rates in that group.
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Again, all of you listening, very interesting. And for a lot of you listening, really, this is not hard data to go look up and look at and then, again, interject what we already know historically has happened. And by the way, this is something that the majority of folks in the medical community, Dr. Kelly is an exception, Steve House is an exception, but the majority of the medical community refuses to acknowledge, Dr. Kelly, what you and I are talking about right now. But you guys as laymen, you can simply go look at the data prior, how many, you know, how many incidents of colon cancer with those under the age of, you know, for those under the age of 50 prior to 2021 versus now, and then say, okay, wait a minute, what big change happened in 2021, 2022? I mean, You know, they were running those things out, as you know, Dr. Kelly, you know, giving them out like like Kool-Aid at a Jim Jones event. I mean, the reality is they wanted everybody to take that thing. And only about 20 percent of us, actually 17, 18 percent of us did not. So the reality is they did a very good job of getting people to accept that. And given that fact, OK, duh. Why do you think they’re on the increase today?
SPEAKER 11 :
Right. And I tell people, I say, look, you are welcome to disagree with me. I am all about, you know, respectful debate.
SPEAKER 06 :
That’s right.
SPEAKER 11 :
But you have to have you have to have an alternative theory. So here are the data. We see that the numbers are going up. I think it’s the shots. You think it’s a shot. If someone else is really OK, great. What’s your theory? What do you think it is? And then defend that theory and tell me the mechanisms by which you believe whatever it is could end up causing an increase in cancers across the board. What do you think it is? You know, people say pesticides and say, show me that pesticide usage or exposure. increase along the same trajectory, the same timeline as what we’re talking about. You can’t because it didn’t.
SPEAKER 06 :
I’ll jump in really quick, Dr. Kelly, because what you just said there, I think for my opinion is with a lot of the education and PSAs and even different wellness programs and so on, I would venture to guess that that there are people today, even during that time frame, that are probably eating less of those types of foods because they eat organic or they do this or they do that. The education on that side has been huge. My gut feeling is there’s probably less consumption of that today than there was five, six years ago.
SPEAKER 11 :
I think that’s probably correct because take just one thing, for example, the connection between glyphosate, you know, Roundup, and what people have believed to be gluten sensitivity or gluten allergy, you know, is getting more and more traction. People are understanding they don’t actually have celiac disease. It had nothing to do with the gluten at all. It’s all because of the glyphosate. And many, many people having now discovered that have stopped eating those things. So yes, I think there’s been more and more focus on the harms of highly processed foods. So I believe that in general, people have been eating those less. There are more and more people washing their produce now that there’s been a lot of PSAs about the importance of getting those pesticides and fertilizers and waxes off of your food. So I agree. I think that the food exposures probably have gone down pretty significantly over the past five years.
SPEAKER 06 :
Right. But yet we’re still seeing an increase in colon cancer under the age of 50. So, again, I just go back to those that would say, well, wait a minute, you know, why is that? OK, again, I guess maybe it’s just because my critical thinking brain, Dr. Kelly, for me, it’s like, OK, this isn’t that complicated. You look at, OK, what’s been going on for the last X amount of years? you know, all the way up until, you know, 2021, 2022. And then all of a sudden we have a change, COVID and a vaccine that came along roughly at that same time. That was how we got people back to work and so on and so forth. You and I talked about all of that back in that day. So we’ve got that major event and okay, boom, four years later, which is what, by the way, you predicted, And I’m not exaggerating when I say that, all of you listening, because Dr. Kelly predicted this. We now have these turbo cancers and people under the age of 50 having way more severe colon cancers and so on. And the reality is we didn’t have that prior. To me, Dr. Kelly, this just isn’t that complicated.
SPEAKER 11 :
No, I agree. And as I said, I didn’t predict this, John. now six years ago, because I was a really good guesser. I predicted it because it’s what the science would have led us to, if you were honest. Simply take one component, forget the mRNA, forget everything I just said about how it damages your immune system and how it turns off your DNA repair mechanisms and causes autoimmune disease. Look at just the lipid nanoparticles, the little fat globules in which the mRNA was embedded in order to carry it to where they wanted it to go. We have known for decades that lipid nanoparticles are toxic and carcinogenic on their own. We knew that. I knew that. They had to have known that. So I made these predictions based on everything we had, the experience that we had with mRNA in the past. mRNA has never been used safely and effectively in the past. Gosh, we’ve been working with mRNA. When they say scientists have been working with mRNA for decades, you betcha they have. And it’s failed every time. They forgot that part of the sentence. They say mRNA technology isn’t new. We’ve been working with it for decades. I’m like, and then say the next part, and it’s failed every time with disastrous results. So I made those predictions not because I have a crystal ball, not because I was being bold and throwing stuff against the wall to see what would stick. I said it because it was very clear that this was going to be an abject disaster of It’s frankly probably worse than even I could have imagined because I had not predicted some of the things like myocarditis. That was not on my radar early on. I mean, before the vaccines were launched onto the public, myocarditis was not one of the things I predicted. Cancer and the host of autoimmune illnesses is.
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All right, we are back. I appreciate you all listening. Dr. Kelly Victory with us. Dr. Kelly, one thing I was going to throw at you really quick, and FDA now has refused to review Moderna’s application for a new mRNA-based flu vaccine. They want to do a clinical trial on about 40,000 people, but the FDA says, yeah, no.
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Well, I think that the FDA is smart in doing this, number one, because of the vast and growing evidence of the harms of the last round of mRNA shots. The platform itself, and that was how we closed the last segment, the platform itself, meaning mRNA, is flawed. You cannot inject something, a new sort of instruction manual to tell the cells in your body to produce something without an off switch. Until they discover we’re going to inject this, it’s going to do this for the time being, and then we’re going to either, I don’t care if it’s a two-part shot where you get the second injection that turns it off, or there’s a pill you take, or it just somehow self-destructs. Times out, whatever, yeah. You can’t do this without an off switch. You wouldn’t do anything else where you just set something in motion and it goes in perpetuity. And that’s what they did with the COVID shots. So now, unfortunately… Everybody who took one of those shots is a little spike protein factory. And here we are. Look, you know, it’s the beginning of 2026. And as of today, when we do the blood tests on people who were injected at the front of the line back in 2021, those people are still cranking out spike protein. So I can’t tell you how long it’s going to last, but I can tell you it’s at least, you know, it’s at least four and a half years. We know that. We’ve proven it.
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I have a question that just came in. Been recommended to take Cyber Bay for dry macular degeneration. I have two questions. How effective is it, and is it one of those drugs that’s like a lot of the cancer drugs where the doctors get a lot of money for prescribing it? By the way, that’s a drug I don’t know anything about.
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I don’t either. I’m not an ophthalmologist. That’s not in my area of expertise. I can tell you, I can answer the second part of the question, however, which is that cancer Chemotherapy drugs are the only class of drugs in which physicians, mainly oncologists, buy the drug from the pharmaceutical company at a discount and then bill both the patient and the insurance company at a huge upcharge. So that eye drug would not fall into that category. I can’t say anything else meaningful about the drug itself because I simply don’t know it.
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For a healthy, proper weight-to-height ratio male in his 60s, is there any vaccines that you would recommend at that point, Dr. Kelly?
SPEAKER 11 :
You know, I can’t tell anybody, you know, because I don’t know everybody’s individual circumstances. So I cannot tell anybody, advise them on whether or not they should get vaccinated in general. I can tell you that the COVID vaccines are an absolute hard stop. They are not beneficial for anyone. And I would recommend that no one ever get another one. With regard to other things, whether it’s influenza, those sorts of things, it’s a very individual choice. I could tell you what the studies show, however, which is that, number one, we’ve known from the beginning of time that the influenza shots simply are not very effective.
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Right.
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And in a lousy year, they can be less than 10 percent effective. And the idea of getting one over and over and over again every year, flogging your immune system to respond, respond, respond to a new challenge, and then praying that you don’t end up with an autoimmune problem as a result, I think is silly. The Shingrix vaccine that might fall into people over the age of 40 might be thinking about. is not without significant complications. Look, I had chickenpox strolling up. Many of us did. There was no chickenpox vaccine back then. I had chickenpox. I have had shingles several times, three times. I don’t want to get shingles again. But the reality is no one has ever died of shingles. No one has ever ended up paralyzed because of shingles. And you can’t say that about the shingles vaccine.
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True.
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So, you know, that’s sort of how in really, you know, raw terms, how I personally make my choices about what I’m going to do personally. It’s all comes down to risk benefit calculation. I don’t want to go through another 10 day or two week bout of shingles again because it’s uncomfortable. It hurts. You end up on pain medication. But compared that to getting Guillain-Barre and ending up in a wheelchair, I’ll take a two-week rash.
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Yeah. It was interesting. I had a conversation the other night and was sitting around talking to some different folk and friends and so on, and I don’t even know how the subject came up. We just got to talking about vaccines, and I thought – You know, I don’t know how many I had as a kid. So I went and looked up, you know, when the year I was born and what kind of vaccines were being given at that point in time. And, you know, you can relate to this as well, Dr. Kelly. There were five. So I and you probably together probably had, you know, five, maybe six vaccines. I don’t remember getting anything much after that growing up as a kid because you just didn’t… I don’t think we did those things back then. I just grew up and you did your thing. And I mean, I I went to private school, so I didn’t even get the one shot in the arm that a lot of kids got in the gymnasium back in the day that left the big pockmark on their arms forever. I didn’t get that either. So, you know, it’s interesting and I’m not not boasting by any means, but, you know, I ended up with five and somehow I’m still alive, Dr. Kelly.
SPEAKER 11 :
Exactly. That’s the reality is it’s one thing if you’re talking about developing a vaccine for something that is potentially deadly and you can you never give it during an outbreak. You know, that’s so that was rule number one that they broke with the COVID vaccines. You never give it during an active outbreak because it leads to resistance. But if you’re talking about smallpox, something that’s potentially deadly or grossly disfiguring, and you can prove that the vaccine is actually highly effective with minimal side effects, then you might consider it. I had the diseases, measles, mumps, rubella, chickenpox, and so did my five brothers and sisters. We all are just fine. These are diseases that childhood illnesses that run their course in a matter of days for the vast majority of people, okay? The vast majority of people have no problem at all. So the idea that you can vaccinate your way to good health and that you need a vaccine for everything is unfortunately simply not true.
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Right, right. A question just came in. We haven’t talked about this one in quite some time, and I don’t know if there’s been different findings now, so it’s probably a good question because, again, we haven’t covered this for probably, I bet it’s been over a year that we’ve actually talked about it, and that’s shedding. For all of you listening, shedding meaning you’re somebody like me that’s unvaccinated, but you’re around other people that are vaccinated. In some cases, there’s folks that, you know, can be dating, and they’re You know, they’re unvaccinated. The other person is vaccinated. Maybe they get married and there’s intercourse and so on. And at the end of the day, there was some thoughts or sorry, at one point in time, there were some thoughts that that vaccinated person could shed into the unvaccinated person. Has anything else come of that? Do we know for sure if that actually happens? Where are we at with that, Dr. Kelly?
SPEAKER 11 :
No, and there’s still a lot of talk about it. People who study shedding specifically are really quite convinced that it is true. Some of the mechanisms don’t necessarily make sense to me. We know that the spike protein and the mRNA are excreted, for example, in breast milk. We know that they are excreted in feces. We have every reason to believe, therefore, that they would be excreted in urine, potentially semen and saliva. So passing it on that way, exposing someone to both the mRNA and produced spike proteins from the mRNA via those routes makes sense. The idea of simply sitting next to someone on a plane or a bus or being in contact with somebody at work or a social event, I’m not sure the mechanism, are they supposedly being, what, exhaled into the air by the person who’s vaccinated or falling off their skin? Honestly, I’m not making a joke out of it because there are people, very good, legitimate scientists, who are saying that, yes, shedding is occurring, But other than those mechanisms I said by direct bodily fluids, you know, whether it’s saliva, semen, breast milk, urine, feces, you know, those other than that, I’m not sure how what that mechanism is.
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And even on those, for all of you listening, blood we know. That one I think is pretty much a given, Dr. Kelly, transfusions, things like that. I think that’s pretty much – 100%. That one’s a given. All of the rest of it, for all of you listening, and I think Dr. Kelly just said it well, the verdict is still out there. In other words, it isn’t completely settled yet. I mean, I’ve even interviewed Dr. Kelly that swear that by giving – you’re unvaccinated, you give a massage to somebody that is vaccinated, that you now have become – infected by that mRNA because of giving that person a massage just because of the sweat going through the palm of the hands and so on. And I’ve got people I’ve interviewed that literally swear to that, to that, you know, even written books on it. And again, everybody listening, please, I don’t know, Dr. Kelly. That is one area for me personally, I just don’t know.
SPEAKER 11 :
Yeah. And I agree with you. I am unclear on it as a scientist and as a physician. I know that people swear by it and people who I trust seem to swear by it. But no one has given me, you know, I’m a scientist. I would say how by what mechanism is this occurring? And nobody seems to be able to answer that question. Furthermore, no one’s done the studies to show, okay, right now you have a spike protein level of zero. We’re going to put you in a room with 10 vaccinated people in close contact, but you’re not going to even touch each other. If you come out 10 hours later and we test you, Do you now all of a sudden have spike proteins in your blood? I mean, we need to do some studies. But look, this is the kind of stuff that should have been answered, John, before 330 million people were mandated to have the thing. Great point. The time to be asking these questions was before people lost their jobs, their livelihoods, and were forced to inject this experimental thing into their arms.
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One last thing, and I know we don’t have a lot of time, but I just wanted to get your opinion on this. And of course, this is coming out here in Colorado. And there are folks out there that really are trying to push for, because of the way the CDC is right now and the fact of who’s in charge and so on. And of course, we’re a very blue state here in Colorado. There are folks pushing for to have, you know, basically to have Colorado act on and have its own vaccine guidelines. And I’m a big states rights guy. You know that, Dr. Kelly. But there are certain things, i.e. this, whereby I’m not. This isn’t something where I feel like states can set their own medical guidelines that are different from what’s going on federally speaking just because they don’t like what the feds are saying.
SPEAKER 11 :
Well, you know, you have to remember the CDC is not a regulatory body. I know that it is simply an advisory body. The reason they are so powerful and that the childhood vaccine recommendations, the guidelines that are so powerful is because with rare exception, it is exactly what states use to build their own requirements for things like vaccines. So certain states, particularly blue ones like Colorado, are mad because the CDC has now finally acknowledged the science, put us in line with other westernized countries, taken 55 of the 84 recommended shots off the schedule and brought it down to 30, which is still way too many, but brought it down to 30. So they’re saying we are not going to listen to this. We’ll make our own guidelines. Well, they have the right to do that, as you said. And I’m a states’ rights advocate person as well. And I think what’s going to happen, however, is I think – Colorado is going to see an exodus of people. These are reasons why people leave states and move away. It can be because of changes in tax law, and it absolutely can be because of changes like this. Colorado is not going to follow the federal guidelines, and you can simply go next door to Wyoming or Montana or wherever it is and say, yep, not doing it, not doing it. I’m not going to. you know, harm my child, you know, because you are mandating a vaccine that even the CDC is saying isn’t worthwhile.
SPEAKER 06 :
And somebody called in asking, again, what was the shingles recommendation? And Dr. Kelly’s is, again, this is a personal choice. You have to do what you need to do. But I think myself, her included, I’ll take the shingles if that ever comes along over the vaccine. That’s my take. I know that’s yours as well, Dr. Kelly.
SPEAKER 11 :
Exactly. As I said, I would never tell somebody, you know, don’t take a shingles vaccine, but go into it eyes wide open. Know what you’re doing. Know what you’re signing up for. That number one, it doesn’t mean that you can’t get shingles. It will decrease your risk of it. but you have a not insignificant risk of some other pretty nasty potential side effects, and you need to decide if that is worthwhile. Also, some people are more at risk for shingles than others. If your immune system is good and healthy and you aren’t run down, you aren’t under undue stress. Every time I had an outbreak of shingles was when I was a resident or working 95 hours a week. That was when I was run down, when I’m spending all night, night after night after night at the hospital. And you set yourself up for lots of things, not just an outbreak of shingles, but also a cold or whatever else you’re going to get because your immune system has been compromised. So I would never tell somebody don’t take it, but go into it knowing your risks.
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There you go. Again, Dr. Kelly Victory, thank you so much. As always, it’s a super fast hour. We just started a few minutes ago and now we’re done. And as always, we are deeply indebted. I get message after message thanking you for this hour and what you do. And I’m grateful as well. I learned so much and I know our listeners do as well. Thank you, Dr. Kelly.
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Thank you, as always, for having me, and I hope people enjoy the banter and enjoy at least hearing an alternative narrative.
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