John Rush welcomes listeners to another episode loaded with insights and engaging discussions. With a special focus on personal growth, Rush emphasizes the importance of taking life head-on despite uncertainties. The conversation tackles how solitude and self-reflection are often underrated yet vital components of personal development, as they discuss the modern phenomenon of social media and its influence on our lives. They argue that by allowing ourselves downtime and resisting the urge to constantly seek external validation, we grow more secure in our own identities. Venturing into the sports realm, the episode unpacks the Denver Nuggets’ recent decisions, aiming
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You are going to shut your damn yapper and listen for a change because I got you pegged, sweetheart. You want to take the easy way out because you’re scared. And you’re scared because if you try and fail, there’s only you to blame. Let me break this down for you. Life is scary. Get used to it. There are no magical fixes.
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Get a job, sir. You haven’t made everybody equal. You’ve made them the same and there’s a big difference.
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Let me tell you why you’re here. You’re here because you know something. What you know you can’t explain, but you feel it. You felt it your entire life. That there’s something wrong with the world. You don’t know what it is, but it’s there. It is this feeling that has brought you to me.
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Are you crazy? Am I? Or am I so sane that you just blew your mind?
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All right, welcome. Rush to Reason, Denver’s Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560. Happy Tuesday. Myself, Andy, and Charlie. It’s a good day, isn’t it? Beautiful. Yeah, I sound awful, but actually I feel good. Oh, you feel fine. Yeah, I feel fine. My voice is going away. Those of you that are listening can tell that.
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John has been going through a little bit of the… It’s been a rough week for me last week. What is in the air, pollen or whatever?
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You name it, and something’s got my voice today. I woke up this morning, and I’m like, holy cow, I can’t hardly talk. I hate that. It’s gotten better as the day’s gone by. It was really, really bad this morning, so it’s been better now that some of the day has passed. But for somebody that talks on the phone a lot and coaches and does this…
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Bit of a rough go at times.
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Yeah, not having a voice doesn’t work very well. No, it doesn’t. Me and laryngitis don’t work well. I’m sorry. Anyways, it’s all right. Question of the day. Which galaxy is on the collision course with the Milky Way? That was yesterday’s question of the day. It is the Andromeda Galaxy?
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Andromeda.
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Is that right? Or Andromeda Galaxy? That’s on the collision course. No, I have no idea.
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Now, just so you know, my money is on Andromeda.
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Gotcha.
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They’re really tough.
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Okay. For a billion years from now. So I think we got some time, Andy.
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Yeah, I don’t think I’m gonna have to pay off.
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Yeah, no, I think you’re good. Okay. I think we’ll be long gone by then.
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My descendants, of course, are going to be broke. Go ahead.
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There you go. Today’s a possible question answer on the Facebook page. Who wrote the 100 years of solitude? Who wrote 100 years of solitude?
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No clue.
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Beats me. I mean, that is that like a book, I guess.
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I would assume.
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Charlie, book? He doesn’t even know. 100 Years of Solitude. There you go.
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Maybe it’s a, I don’t know, travel guide to the Sahara?
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I’d have to read through this.
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I have no clue.
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Some of you listening will probably inform me. That is beyond my brain. I don’t know what that is.
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Okay.
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I’ve never even heard of it before.
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Okay.
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I would like to have 100 Years of Solitude. No, I wouldn’t. That would be awful.
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How long could you just be alone? Let’s say you just went and got some alone time. I don’t know what you do in your alone time. Do you just do it at home? Do you go on a ride in the mountains? Do you do whatever? But how long can you just be alone? No wife, no anyone around you?
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Quite a while, but I’m always doing something. I can’t just sit and do nothing. No, no, no, no. I didn’t say you’re doing nothing. Oh, yeah. I can go a long time.
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Yeah.
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Because I can always fiddle around with something. That’s not a problem. There’s always something to do. Some car to work on, some projects, some this, some that. There’s always something to do.
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Right. I mean, you’re certainly not an antisocial person. But now and then, I mean, you’re the opposite of that. But now and then, you need a little time. I mean, I think everybody needs a little time.
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That’s right.
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And in fact, I’m going to go so far as to say too many Americans don’t take a little time.
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No, you’re right. I agree with that. Absolutely. You need some time to be alone, reflect, not have any other noise, nothing yapping at you.
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Right.
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Absolutely, Andy.
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Right. I think Americans have really gotten to the point where we’ll do anything for other people’s approval. And maybe when you disconnect a little bit and realize, wait a minute, I could just be me.
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Does that make sense? No, we could do a whole hour on this, Andy. There are far too many people. That’s the problem with social media. Far too many people. are vying for that approval of someone else right which it’s like okay who is this someone else and why do they matter anyways yeah and then you go to the opposite extreme which is like me i think sometimes i drive my own family crazy it’s like do you not care what anybody thinks about anything and i’m like yeah no i don’t i couldn’t do this job and worry about that
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You know, I’ve really noticed. Am I right? Oh, absolutely.
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Too many darts coming this way.
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Well, constantly.
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Yeah. I mean. You couldn’t do this job otherwise.
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John, one thing I’ve also noticed is that people, they get into one groove. Either I really need a people’s approval or I don’t. And as they grow older. They deepen that groove. And so when you see somebody, you can think back, geez, I knew Bob when he was in his 30s, and he wasn’t so much that way. Now he’s a complete recluse, or now Bob always has to have people around nonstop. It just seems to me, whatever you are, you just become more so.
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That’s an interesting perspective. I don’t think I can argue with that. I think you’re right. And then I think some people are pretty much, I mean, they’re fairly me. I’ve been pretty consistent this way. Even from when I was a kid, Andy, there were times where it’s like, okay, I can have people or I can not have people. And there were times even as a kid where it’s like, just I’ll do my own thing. Leave me be and I’ll be just fine at the end of the day.
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Yeah.
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And there were days where it’s like, OK, I can go even at six, seven years old, go out in the garage, fiddle around in my dad’s garage, tools, whatever. And I’d go out there and do my own thing and everybody else doing something else. And I’m just doing my own thing, which is fine by me.
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Right. Every week I go to the movies and I sit alone usually. Now, now and then I got a movie where my wife can go with me. And that’s that’s I’ll tell you what, it’s a real treat. Because it’s just kind of fun, you know, watching the movie with somebody else.
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But you can have a little bit of conversation back and forth.
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A little conversation. You share it together afterwards. You can talk about what sucked, what was great. Exactly. But I will say this. That ability every Thursday, every Thursday afternoon and evening, and it takes several hours, quite a few hours, because usually the movies don’t totally line up, so you’ve got time in between. Right. And… Just to disconnect and have nobody else in my head.
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Right.
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And just be watching this on the screen and evaluating it by a bunch of different standards. It’s kind of nice. It’s kind of like some guy who likes to work in his car just getting that Saturday afternoon.
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Well, in the mornings, I typically am kind of you on Thursdays. I kind of have my own, I don’t know, hour to two, depending upon what my wife’s got going on and so on. But most mornings I’ve got, you know, an hour or two of I purposely don’t schedule any other things, calls, et cetera. And I usually use that for show prep and things like this to where I’ve got that uninterrupted time of just being able to. You know, what’s going on? What can I talk about? What should I talk about? Kind of get the day set and all of that. And for me personally, I need that time. If it’s interrupted, it kind of messes the whole day up.
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Yeah. You know what? That’s true. If my time, that special time that I need is interrupted, it messes up everything and it’s hard for me to recover. I mean, literally, I will find myself going out to the car without my keys. I’ll find myself just out of sync. Because everything is out of whack. Exactly. You’re right. Well, really quick here. Speaking of show prep, your show prep got a little bit thrown out of joint today with a little bit of news. And thankfully, we’ve got an expert coming on.
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God. Country. Reason. Now back to John Rush.
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All right, and we are back. Rush to Reason, Denver’s Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560. Yeah, Richard should be joining us here in just one second. And those of you maybe that didn’t see any news today at all, and it was a little bit later in the afternoon when it actually came out, and that was Nuggets. They are making some changes. And some of you guys, you know, it doesn’t matter. You can care less. But it’s big news here in the Denver, you know, front-range market.
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Well, the Nuggets are really the team for Wyoming, New Mexico. Thank you.
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It’s a regional team.
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Yeah, New Mexico is kind of the Suns and the Nuggets, or Utah, of course, but the Nuggets are the team for a lot of areas.
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Correct. That’s a big deal. Oh, yeah. So they let their coach and some of their head coach and some other staff… And I will tell you, after going to the game myself Sunday night, which we lost by two points, which was an absolute miserable game to go to. And that was the Pacers. That was the Pacers. And it was a fun game, but a miserable game at the same time, Andy.
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Now, I’m a guy from the East, Eastern Conference guy, and I’ll tell you what, the Pacers are tough.
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Yeah, we should have beat them, though. We blew it. We missed some shots, did some things that we should have been able to do that we didn’t do.
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Here’s the bottom line for me, John. And from the outside looking in, my team already sucks at Milwaukee Bucks. Okay. But… i look at the nuggets and i i have felt now for over a year that they are simply not playing up to their talent i agree with you i think the coach and i don’t think the coach had totally lost the locker room last year but i think he did later parts of this year and personally and we’ll ask richard about this but personally i think this change had to happen because now this means you go into the playoffs and who knows maybe you get a jolt you got a different voice in their heads Right. And just that different voice in their heads and also just the shock of seeing that upper management looked at your play and got rid of your coach because of it could launch them because they are still loaded.
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They are. We Richard and I were talking actually was yesterday, even just kind of talking about everything you just mentioned and even saying, you know, part of your wish is they wouldn’t do well the rest of the year. And let’s just go to the draft and be done with it.
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I wouldn’t say that because they’re too talented, and the rest of the year is only a few games, and it’s not going to affect it. But you’ve got right now, and I’ll mention this to Richard too, you’ve got four teams that are only a half game behind the Nuggets right now, and the Nuggets are sitting, I believe, in fourth place.
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Yeah, they were third as of Sunday, then they dropped.
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Right, they dropped to fourth just barely. So they can still get back up into third if they get hot down the stretch. But here you are in fourth place, but fifth, sixth, seventh, and eighth are all literally tied at one half game behind you.
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It’s neck and neck, Andy.
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I don’t think they could afford to have a coach who has lost a team in there any longer. I don’t think you could have that. I think that would be… Just killer for the team.
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And some would say, well, what do you mean by, you know, you’ve lost the team? You and Richard can actually talk about that. Richard joining us now. Richard, welcome.
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Hello. This is a great day, Dad. Great day. What’s better, this day or November 5th?
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This day, Andy, because we don’t have tariffs, but that’s a different conversation for another day. I will say, I like… I like it. A lot of people, talking to some other fans and friends and such earlier, Andy, I like it because, well, I’ll just say this. I think that if this isn’t an organization, because some people are saying, why now? You’ve got three games left in the regular season. If you’re going to fire him, just fire him after the season. I think this shows that you’re serious, right? If you’re going to take the steps to fire your head coach and basically let your general manager go because his contract wasn’t going to be renewed, you’re basically telling the team. We expect more out of you. And these guys aren’t getting it done. So you guys are either going to get it done or you’re going to be gone. I don’t think there’s anything wrong with that.
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You think there’s some shock value here. Because I agree. I totally think they’re putting a bit of a shock into the team. They’re looking at this team right now underperforming under this coach. And the coach has lost the locker room. I believe he’s lost it. And because of that, they’re looking at a very talented team that is struggling against mid-level teams. And they’re saying, look… We need to shock you because you are not ready for the playoffs. Who knows? Light a fire? You never know. They’ve still got plenty of talent.
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They do, Andy. I mean, I still think no matter what, I’ll be honest, I don’t think they make a run in the playoffs. I think that they’ve got a couple – I’ll just say mainly Jamal Murray. Whether he’s healthy or not, he vastly underperformed the contract that he signed. He is eligible, however, Andy, to be traded this offseason. And so I think that, again, this is maybe even a wake-up call to him. Because, honestly, the only untouchable player on this team, Andy, is Nikola Jokic. And that’s as it should be. He’s the best player in the world, and he just turned 30. You’ve got to think he’s still got several more really good years in front of him.
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He does.
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He can be as elite as possible, and especially his game. I think his game really translates incredibly. even more than LeBron does or Steph does.
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Well, he’s not going to really age out of his game very quickly because his game is what it is. He is a tremendous – he’s the best offensive player on the planet right now. I think he’s a real defensive liability, but that shouldn’t be a problem. Your team, when you’ve got that kind of an offensive – juggernaut, then the other four have to get it together on defense and let them rest a little at that end of the court. And I think they’re letting them down.
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Absolutely. Andy, the thing is he turns it on defensively when he needs to. He understands that if he was to expel as much energy as needed on defense, it wouldn’t be there for offense. Again, I’m not saying that he’s an excellent defensive player because he’s never been a big rim protector, shot blocker, or anything like that. But he’s very strategic, and he will be very smart with his play in terms of swatting the ball at different times. But I’m with you, Andy. Outside of all that, you have the semantics. I think it was a needed reset. I think Michael Malone… I think Michael Malone is a lot like Sean Payton, Andy, in that their style, which is a brash style, works when you’re winning and when you’re doing well. And then when you’re not winning and you’re not doing so well, players can really… sour on that style very quickly and i’m not saying i’m a big players coach i’m not a big players coach guy right you know all these players coach well typically players coaches i’ll be honest bill belichick wasn’t a players coach right drake popovich as much as i can’t stand that guy isn’t a players coach and they didn’t you know they won lots of championships not being players coaches so i think that the idea of being a players coach is sort of overrated but i also think that there’s sort of this middle ground and happy medium and And, Andy, you’ve got infighting going on, right? You have the GM and the head coach fighting each other, talking behind each other’s backs all throughout the organization. It’s really just an unhealthy environment as a whole. And I think ownership in the Cronkies, who it is, looked at it and said, they said it best on one of the sports radios today. It was like looking back in the backseat, Dad, you did this plenty, telling the kids if you don’t knock it off, I’m going to come back. We’re going to pull this car over. Well, the car just got pulled over.
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Yep. Yeah, it did. And you actually threw a couple kids out and you drove away. That’s right.
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Yes, and the Cronkies are saying, the rest of you guys in the bus, in the car, we expect more out of you. If you do not perform, there will be massive changes. And again, Andy, you have to do this because when you have the best player on the planet, already, in my opinion, a top ten player in league history, and arguably could end up top five depending on how the rest of his career goes, which is crazy to say because I think there’s some very, very… Very good NBA players, Andy, right?
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No, I think he could be top five. I don’t have him as my number one player. Right now I have SGA as my number one. I have Jokic as two. But because SGA to me, both ends of the court.
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Wow. I think Jokic is more valuable to us. Because I think if you pull SGA off of that team, Oklahoma City is so deep, they’re still a playoff team. Barely, though. They’re not a one seed. Yeah, but Andy, you pull Jokic off of the Nuggets, they’re maybe winning 20 games. If they’re lucky.
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I wouldn’t go that bad, but you’re right. There would be an enormous drop-off. A couple years ago when they won it all, I told you going into the playoffs, I said you could literally pull Jokic and this team would win it all anyway. They were that loaded. They were that deep. And also they were that coordinated, listening to their coach. It was all working. They could have won it all without Jokic that year. They were that much of a juggernaut. They were that much of a machine that And now I see them relying more and more, especially on the offensive end on Jokic.
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They’re just so out of sorts, Andy. No one except for Jokic, although what’s crazy, Andy, is as much as they actually do need shot making, they need some couple good three-point guys, they actually have, when Jokic is on the floor, the highest-rated offense in league history, basically, when Jokic is on the floor. Oh, yeah, they’re great. When he’s off the floor, they are so bad. And then defensively, so when you combine those things, It’s really, and to me, Andy, Jokic makes it easy to piece a team together. You need some guys who can knock down some open shots, right, which if you’re in the NBA shouldn’t be too hard to find.
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Agreed, because he’ll find them. He’ll find them.
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Exactly. He will find them open. So to me, Andy, this was the absolute biggest wake-up call. And I’m glad that they didn’t keep Booth, their GM Calvin Booth. Again, I’m not necessarily happy anyone lost their job. Those guys will be fine.
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Never fear. No, but you’re totally right. Clean sweep is what you needed. And also, you know why you get rid of Coach NGM in a situation like this? That way you’re not scapegoating one instead of the other. You’re saying, no, this was team. That’s right.
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Well, Andy, you’re 100% correct. And then from a hiring standpoint, depending on who they decide to bring in, and honestly, the guy that they promoted, Andy, David Adelman, is kind of the head coach, the interim head coach. He’s the son of Rick Adelman, right, which was the Houston Rockets coach for a long time.
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Good coach.
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He’s a really good coach, I think. And I think he’s going to get a chance to show if he can do it or not. And I think that there’s something to be said for that.
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They’re going to play better.
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And if he can do it, then great. Exactly. You bring in a GM that can match that. And if he doesn’t, Andy, and his team falters or they get swept in the first round or whatever it might be, you bring in a whole new thing. You get Jokic’s opinion on who they’re going to bring in. And you start over. And, again, Andy, when you have Jokic, you don’t necessarily need to go through this long, drawn-out rebuild, right? You sort of retool Jokic. Change the roster a bit, and you go after it again next year, right?
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Yeah, I agree. And because when you’ve got a guy like that, he is in his prime, and his prime is going to extend another three, four years at least. And you’ve got to use that. You know, I don’t think that – I think this team is going to play better overnight. I really do. And as I was telling your dad here, they’ve got four teams, literally four teams, only a half game behind them right now in the race for that fourth spot. And, you know, they really can’t falter, and they were faltering. The way they were playing under Malone, they were not going to be a home team entering into the playoffs. Now, with this change, they at least have a very good chance of being a home team. I don’t think they’re going to beat Oklahoma City. Once again, you and I disagree slightly on SGA. Yeah, OKC has other good players, They rely so much on the gravity that SGA brings to himself. He is such a threat everywhere. So athletic. So devastating. And he gets back, and he’s so good on defense. But the fact is, they have him. Okay? They have SGA, and the rest of their team is playing better around him than the Nuggets are playing around Jokic.
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That is the key, Andy. I’m with you. I think that this is their opportunity to say it. And, Dad, I’ll ask you. You’ve gone and seen games, and you’re not a huge fan. but you understand business and you understand team building. And what I would say, and you saw, you almost kind of saw it from afar the other night and you kind of told me something needs to happen.
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Yeah, I know. We were talking about it yesterday because I went to the game Sunday night and I Reality is there’s no bench. They put their second string in and blew literally a 10-point lead, which had I been Malone, it was like 11-point lead, actually. Had I been Malone, I would have stopped that at about five or six and put my other team back in. Those are coaching mistakes, by the way, and it’s all said and done. We lost the other night by two points and shouldn’t have.
SPEAKER 05 :
Yeah, if you wait until the other team is within two or three, now, even when you put your starters in, Richard, they got all this momentum. It’s too late. The other team, they’ve got all their shots are dropping. Yep.
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That was a lot of critique and a lot of criticism from a lot of people is Malone sort of sticks his schedule and works in the playoffs because Jokic likes to be subbed out, kind of the first part of the second quarter, first part of the fourth quarter, right? It’s like for six or seven minutes total game time, right? Not a lot. And that’s his… idea right he loves to you know love to kind of be swapped out in those moments unless he’s in foul trouble or whatever it is everyone talked about Malone and he didn’t adjust to when you needed to adjust to and I get that you you want to cater to a player but just some of his lineup choices just weren’t working and weren’t playing and honestly at the end of the day and I hate to say this about a guy losing his job but just sometimes you lose you kind of lose the room in that People stop listening to you. And if people stop listening, especially in sports, Andy, we see it time and time again in the NFL. Things can go south quick, even with great teams. And I think the Nuggets still have a lot of great talent. They can make a run. I do agree with you there, whether they do or not is up for debate. But I think that they can. And I think that this was sort of the… The Cronkies saying, you know what, we’ve got to take a chance on this to try, and then we’ll make the changes after the season if we need to further make changes.
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Really quick here, my last question. How much of this do you put on the GM, Richard? And what I mean is this. You’ve already kind of made the point. When you’ve got a player like Jokic, and I’m more down on his defense than you are. I think he’s a liability. I don’t think that’s that huge of a deal, though. You’ve got to surround a guy like that with three and D players. And for those who don’t know what that means, guys who can jack up three pointers because he can find them, but they can also get back and they’re great on defense. They can lock down defense because if you don’t have those kind of players around him, you’re going to waste him. And I don’t think they have enough of those. And that to me is a missing component in the chemistry for what they’ve put together. Even when they’ve got their star guard lighting it up, he’s not a very good defender. I don’t see you guys having the defenders you need to surround this guy to be tougher at the other end of the court.
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No, no, you’re 100% correct. We don’t. And the biggest disconnect between Malone and Booth is Booth wanted to sort of build for the future and getting draft picks and drafting guys. And granted, the new CBA makes it difficult to add veterans and things that Malone wanted. He’s a veteran coach. He likes the veteran players. and he doesn’t like to take chances on the young guys, and you sort of have to blend that with a guy like Jokic, right? I mean, you do need some young guys, but at the same time, Andy, and I’m not going to necessarily side with Malone on this, but I do get where he’s coming from, you kind of want to push all your chips in for the next four years, and then you deal with the effects afterwards. Agreed. Because once Jokic is gone… you’ve got to figure out what’s going to go on. But honestly, once he’s gone, you’ve got to figure that out anyways. You might as well push all your chips in now, figure out how to win now, win another title or two, which you should do with the best player on the planet. Again, we’re talking about how good Jokic is. You’ve got to do that. So I think that a lot of it, Andy, to your question, is on Booth because I think that he didn’t do some of those things. He tried to go young. And I think you’re seeing some of the young players come on a little bit, which is great, Andy, but to what expense, right? What did you lose today? in order to gain that. And I think that hopefully you’ll see them kind of find that fine line this offseason, kind of figure out what they need to do.
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SPEAKER 07 :
All right, we’ll get into tariffs and a few things like that as we roll through the program. But I had a topic today that I wanted to get to. And granted, we were going to do it either way, regardless of what was going on with the news of the Nuggets and so on. And that is still some of the transition happening here in the Colorado GOP. For a lot of you, by the way, that were very accusatorial of KBB and the changeover that happened when Dave Williams and crew came in. There was a lot of, you know, they left us broke. They didn’t do this. They didn’t do that. Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Now, this current administration isn’t blaming the past administration on anything other than maybe the speed of some of this transition. That’s about the only thing I’ve seen. But this whole lawsuit against certain individuals, which, by the way, needs to be completely dropped. Oh, yeah. that the, you know, Matt Arnolds of the world are still rolling forward because he and his quote-unquote committee feel like they are indispensable.
SPEAKER 05 :
Yeah, this, and by the way, the lawsuit is basically, I just want to clarify here, it’s because of the coup, because they say it was an illegal coup. Basically, yes. Okay, John, the final vote that was held, you know, the pinnacle of the coup, 8-24, that vote, Was deemed legal by the courts. That meeting was deemed legal with a legal quorum. The reason that vote did not wind up removing Dave Williams is because of the judge’s interpretation of the bylaws. Right. A Democrat appointed judge came in and just let I’m just going to say my opinion that judge wanted Dave kept in place. Absolutely. So that judge came in and changed the outcome, the outcome by saying this. No, no, no. You can’t just get 60 percent of the people present of attending members of attendees. It’s got to be of all. It’s got to be of the entire state central committee.
SPEAKER 07 :
OK, by the way, that’s not how to your point. You’ve put this on Facebook here recently. That’s not even how the chair is currently elected.
SPEAKER 05 :
No. So how ironic. Right. The chair is elected by members who are present. Right. Not by the entire. Right. So shouldn’t the chair be removed by those who are present? Now, don’t get me wrong. It should be a higher percentage. I think you need a higher threshold than 50% to remove somebody. Right. And, you know, people are bouncing around with that. Well, should it be 60, 65, 70, whatever? I think, you know, two thirds is fine. You know, whatever. But it should be of those present. Right. In other words, if you want this to happen, show up. Yeah, here’s the bottom line. If you require two-thirds of the entire body, it’s never going to happen. That makes every leader completely bulletproof. Now, imagine if we’d gotten Laurie Sane, who is Rhino Watch’s person, okay? And she had gotten in and two-thirds of the entire membership was required to remove her. It would have been impossible. Think about that. She would have had godlike power.
SPEAKER 07 :
Right.
SPEAKER 05 :
Absolute power. I mean, absolute. Which Dave did as well. She could have done anything she wanted. Which Dave did. Which Dave did too, but she would have continued it. Okay, here’s the thing. Getting back to the lawsuit, the lawsuit was suing the people who brought, you know, the coup, as they call it.
SPEAKER 07 :
Really quick, by a committee that was formed by Dave Williams and his admin. That followed bylaws. That’s right. So now the new chair and… You know, leadership. Britta and her team has come in and has basically said, no, we’re not doing that. We’re disbanding that. But yet you’ve got guys like Matt Arnold saying, oh, no, no. What you say doesn’t count. We’re moving forward. We’re up. We’re like this church committee that we’re never going to go away now. We’re here forever.
SPEAKER 05 :
And you know why? Right. Yeah, because they’re being paid to do it. As long as they keep this lawsuit going, they’re getting money to do this.
SPEAKER 07 :
By the way, and I’ll say this publicly, shame on you, Matt Arnold.
SPEAKER 05 :
Well, yeah.
SPEAKER 07 :
Shame on you. You know better than this. Shame on you, Matt.
SPEAKER 05 :
I mean, I don’t know Matt’s involvement versus the other lawyers. I don’t care.
SPEAKER 07 :
I don’t know where that comes from. Shame on you, Matt. He’s the leader. He’s the guy that’s always publicized as to who’s leading this particular committee. Shame on you, Matt.
SPEAKER 05 :
He’s part of the committee that was the Anti-Corruption Committee. I don’t know how involved he is.
SPEAKER 07 :
They call it the Colorado Republican State Party Controversy Investigative Committee. It’s the CRS PCIC.
SPEAKER 05 :
That is by very definition a witch hunt committee. Correct.
SPEAKER 07 :
And that is led by Matt Arnold.
SPEAKER 05 :
Right. That committee is led by Matt Arnold.
SPEAKER 07 :
By the way, Matt, you should disband your own committee on the basis of the current chair. Once it disbanded, you should go away. It’s a done deal.
SPEAKER 05 :
Well, yeah. I mean, that committee was put in place by a leadership that isn’t there anymore.
SPEAKER 07 :
Exactly.
SPEAKER 05 :
The new leadership doesn’t want a committee that simply targets political enemies.
SPEAKER 07 :
For all of you listening, this would be no different than a business or a church, let’s say, because churches operate a lot like what the Colorado GOP does as far as the way things are done. voluntarily how things are elected and so on. There’s a lot of, I’m not joking, a lot of similarities, not all denominations, but there’s a fair amount of denominations, Andy, whereby the way things are handled inside of the church, leadership’s elected, the pastor’s brought in and so on, not much different than the way the Colorado GOP is run. It’s very, very similar as far as how that works. Robert rules of order for the meetings and this, that, and the other. The realities are very similar. My point is, if you’ve got an old committee under an old pastor, and all of a sudden the new pastor comes in, a new board comes in, typically speaking, Andy, if the new guys don’t want the old committee to exist, it’s disbanded, correct?
SPEAKER 05 :
Right, right.
SPEAKER 07 :
How is this any different?
SPEAKER 05 :
It isn’t, and in fact, let me use another word that we’ve heard a lot, deep state. What they basically did, the Williams team put in place a deep state To either serve Laurie Sane, continuing what they did, or to oppose her opponent, Britta Horne, if she were to win. Here’s the big problem here, John. They’re trying to sue against about a coup, what they call an illegal coup. But how can it be an illegal coup? When the final vote that was taken was deemed legal by the courts. It was. So the final vote, you could say, well, yeah, but they didn’t have enough votes. Yeah, yeah. They didn’t have enough votes because you changed the number needed. That’s fine. OK, we all honor that. Dave stayed in until the end of his term. We get that. OK, but that doesn’t make the coup illegal. In fact, all they did was follow bylaws and hold a legal vote at a legal meeting. So ruled by the courts. To pursue this any further is ludicrous. I don’t understand the point. You can’t win. I mean, I guess, I don’t know. Maybe you could. I guess the more Democrat-appointed judges… Because, look, Democrat-appointed judges want that group to win as much as possible. That’s why they kept Dave in place. That’s my opinion. I agree with you.
SPEAKER 01 :
Just my opinion. I agree with you.
SPEAKER 05 :
Okay. But I just think that this is… crazy and it needs to end here’s the bottom line you now have new people in charge those new people in charge did not set up this committee no this committee that is there to target people based on quote unquote you know and they have said it’s disbanded meaning matt arnold go home
SPEAKER 07 :
You’re done. So really quick.
SPEAKER 05 :
They’re doing like Trump. They’re coming in and saying, I don’t need this. I don’t need this. I don’t need this. Go ahead.
SPEAKER 07 :
Got a question that came in from a texture asking about the pizza gate. I guess that happened.
SPEAKER 05 :
Oh, yeah.
SPEAKER 07 :
Explain some of what went on in regards to the pizza thing at the last meeting.
SPEAKER 05 :
You know, I only know a few little things here, but basically, I guess Britta Horn bought pizza.
SPEAKER 07 :
Okay, good for her.
SPEAKER 05 :
For people who were there.
SPEAKER 07 :
Okay.
SPEAKER 05 :
And to my knowledge, I even saw, because I was watching online. I couldn’t make it to the meeting, but I voted online.
SPEAKER 16 :
Okay.
SPEAKER 05 :
And Britta even came out and announced, hey, there’s still pizza left. It was there for everybody, and anybody could get pizza. And apparently, who’s the guy from Rhino Watch? chuck chuck apparently chuck from rhino watch uh grabbed a whole pizza okay now i personally wouldn’t care he’s probably bringing it back to a group of people that you know his his peeps who cares to me it’s petty and apparently somebody said well you shouldn’t take the whole thing and they got into a back and forth about that and then all the um as I’m going to call them, Davidians.
SPEAKER 07 :
Oh, the Davites.
SPEAKER 05 :
Yeah, who follow Chuck, who follow Rhino. The Rhino Watchers, the Davidians, are then coming out and basically saying, we were denied pizza. They even put this on in Rhino Watch, saying that they only wanted to provide pizza for their supporters. First of all, by the way, would there be any problem? First of all, by the way, they offered the pizza to everybody. But secondly, would it have been a problem if the pizza was only for their supporters? I mean, would it be bad for Britta and her team to provide pizza for their supporters? Is there something wrong with that if they had done that?
SPEAKER 07 :
No, but they didn’t do that.
SPEAKER 05 :
No, they didn’t do that. They actually gave it to their supporters and anyone else.
SPEAKER 07 :
And those that were against them.
SPEAKER 05 :
Yeah, they brought a lot of pizza and said, eat it up. Britta even said, we got too much left. People, come on, grab some pizza. Right. She didn’t say, supporters of me, come and grab some pizza.
SPEAKER 07 :
She didn’t say, no Rhino Watch people allowed.
SPEAKER 05 :
Yeah, she didn’t say that.
SPEAKER 07 :
I would have. No, but apparently… No, I wouldn’t have even done that then.
SPEAKER 05 :
No, of course not. You wouldn’t have, but it’s fun to talk about on the radio. Yes, yes. But, John, apparently one or two members who support Britta were so mad at them And, you know, there’s so much heat that goes back and forth that they probably, it has been alleged that they said, okay, you’ve had enough or you don’t get any more or whatever. Is that true? Is that not? It’s he said, she said. Who cares? The point is, who cares? Right. It’s pizza. And as I said online in my post, somebody please buy Rhino Watch some pizza. I’ll chip in. I’ll chip in to help them have some pizza.
SPEAKER 07 :
What a bunch of whiners.
SPEAKER 05 :
My. They’re whining about pizza.
SPEAKER 07 :
Whiners. Now, going back to this whole committee, I want to make sure that we’re setting the record straight on this and that everybody out there listening understands. This has been part of the complaint. that I’ve had ever since Dave took over, and I’ve been talking about Dave’s removal long before anybody else in media actually did. It’s funny, I read all these articles, and I never get any credit for this, by the way. It’s always everybody else that gets credit for wanting to remove Dave, and my name’s never mentioned, which, whatever, I’m okay with that.
SPEAKER 05 :
I’m so used to leading the way on some things. On this one, I clearly, I must say, I’m second. You were first.
SPEAKER 07 :
I wanted him gone from almost the get-go. You were first in the state. And again, part of it is because he’s a petty little man, and this is an example of how petty he is. This particular committee, which is nothing but a witch hunt against people he doesn’t like, It’s as simple as that. He left it in place as a cancer for the new people. That’s right. He left it there. And now these people, because it’s a committee formed under Dave, are basically saying that, nope, we have bylaw authority. We are staying. We are not going anywhere. I’m not sure, Andy, at this point, how you get rid of them. Stop paying them? I don’t know. How do you get rid of them?
SPEAKER 05 :
I don’t know. I would have to dig deeper into the bylaws. I mean, it just blows my mind. I would think at the next meeting you could hold a vote and say, hey, do you want to keep this committee? And the committee, I guarantee you, would be voted out.
SPEAKER 07 :
Yeah, because it’s costly.
SPEAKER 05 :
It’s costly.
SPEAKER 07 :
You might spend money on this.
SPEAKER 05 :
Yeah, people are going to say, we don’t need this.
SPEAKER 07 :
Right, this is money that we could be spending on candidates.
SPEAKER 05 :
The Davidians. Yeah, the Davidians, I think, are still over half of the SEC. However, it would only be the hardcore Davidians, which would probably be around 30%, who would say, yeah, keep it at the most. I think around two-thirds at least would say not dump it.
SPEAKER 07 :
So do it that way. Hold a meeting. Keep this in mind, folks that are listening, those of you that are listening. even mad in all of his wonderful lawyer-ness skills and so on, there’s no guarantee that even what he’s going after, he’ll win on.
SPEAKER 05 :
No, he won’t win.
SPEAKER 07 :
This is a witch hunt that he most likely will not win and just have a lot of wasted money instead.
SPEAKER 05 :
Oh, totally. John, it was a lot of waste of money before. We have to keep in mind that the meeting to oust Dave was declared legal. Correct. Okay, now what does that mean? Because that meeting was supposed to happen back in June. Think about this for a moment. Correct. That meeting was supposed to happen back in June, over four months before the election, before election season, at a good time, get it out of the way, choose up or down, do we keep Dave or go with somebody else? Boom, right? Right. Dave launched lawsuit after lawsuit after complaint after delay tactic. He said, no, I’m going to hold this meeting at a different. I forget if it was the 11th of July or 19th or whatever. And they held that meeting only to table the meeting until August 30th. So they held a meeting where they didn’t even hold a vote on Dave. only to table it until August 30th. In other words, he wanted to delay it right into election season so he could tell everybody, which he did, look at what they’re doing. Here we’re in the middle of an election season, and we’re trying to win for our team, and they’re trying to oust their leader during a time like this. How can you do this during an election? By the way, those three words, during an election, Dave and his people probably used those three words 89 million times. Yep. And the whole reason it was done during the election is because of them. So they spent tens and tens and tens, and you and I both believe, over $100,000 doing nothing but trying to save Dave’s backside. All that money was taken out of the pockets of our candidates.
SPEAKER 07 :
And I’ve seen some of the things online excusing some of the behavior of Dave and others. And Andy, all I can do is really just sit there and just shake my head and say to myself, boy, you people really aren’t very smart, are you?
SPEAKER 05 :
No.
SPEAKER 07 :
Sorry, you’re not very intelligent.
SPEAKER 05 :
Anybody who follows them at this point, all I can do is sit back and just say, The only way you follow him is anytime you hear the facts, you yell rhino and run away.
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And welcome back to Rush to Reason, Denver’s Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560. Okay, John, how many Republicans complain about what Trump is facing with two groups? Judges? Who have been left in there to poison the well for him, right? And make it hard and try to stop his entire agenda. And the deep state that he’s trying to root out, root out, root out all over the place. That’s why he’s using Doge. That’s why he’s having all the leaders of all the departments fire people left and right, right? Okay. So he is dealing with Biden put in place all kinds of people, thousands of people throughout the entire system who are there for one reason. to make it difficult for the new guy to govern, correct? Trip up the new guy. Right. Also, the judges are in the way. Now, let me ask you this. What is the old regime, the Williams regime, using to hold up Brita? Two things. Okay? The legal process. which is judges right right they okay so the legal process they still want lawsuits and then in fact they leave a committee there in place to do exactly that that’s right and they poison the well with people who are in place who are going to undermine you from within and also they’re going to continue trying to place you know throughout the entire state precinct leaders who can vote people into voting positions we talked about that last time that’s right They are doing everything exactly to Brita that Biden did to Trump.
SPEAKER 07 :
How could people not see this? This is like the Democrat playbook, Andy.
SPEAKER 05 :
It is the Democrat playbook. It is exactly the Democrat playbook. I don’t know why they can’t see that. John, I remember when I went to Colorado Christian University. to become a minister. And I remember when I was there, I was listening to a few of the teachers, several of the teachers in Bib Studies and some of these others, and they were talking very liberal. And they were talking actually, this is when Colorado Christian University was left-wing. It isn’t now, it’s right-wing. And I was just like, wait a minute, they’re saying everything I just came out of. Are you with me? Yep. Okay. I’m also a former Democrat. I’m with you. So here I’m watching everything that Williams and his team have been doing. And it’s all using the exact same strategies that the left uses. All of it.
SPEAKER 07 :
Same playbook.
SPEAKER 05 :
All of it.
SPEAKER 07 :
Yep. And what I don’t understand.
SPEAKER 05 :
Lawfare is their biggest thing. Lawfare is their favorite. Oh, go ahead.
SPEAKER 07 :
Some of you that are out there, you know, I see on social media and other places and so on, and I read some of this stuff, and I just think to myself, you’re really not this dumb and blind. You can’t be. You can’t be that much of a blind follower to not think for yourself and realize the things Andy and I are talking about right now. You cannot be that dumb and blind.
SPEAKER 05 :
No. They can’t. I believe they know they’re lying, and they don’t care. I think they’re operating sheerly out of rage.
SPEAKER 07 :
I think, Andy, you are correct.
SPEAKER 05 :
They want to hurt people. They put Dave Williams in place for one purpose. Yes. Purge.
SPEAKER 07 :
Yes. And, folks, I’ve said this before, and I’ll close with this. I’ve got enough time. I can explain this. Again, I’ve been on this program for 11 years now. So I’d have to go back and look at how many actual election cycles, Andy, that is, several, by the way. And I’ve interviewed a lot of the same people that I’m even talking about that I watch post and that I watch on that Dave Williams side of the aisle. And my feeling is, and I really had questions back then when I was interviewing a lot of these people thinking, okay, what’s your real problem? motive here for getting elected in other words are you really doing this for all the right reasons or are you what you and i have now started calling a political grifter are you just in this for the money are you in this because you’re the power you can get the job the power all the other things that go along with it and then on top of that are you in this for the power so that your side your hardcore side that you feel indebted to for whatever reason, is it because of that that you’re doing what you’re doing? And now you’re going to turn a blind eye to everything else that makes sense and is actually the truth, but you’re going to deny all of that just like flat earthers deny around earth.
SPEAKER 05 :
Absolutely. Look, we can look at KBB and say, geez, you know, in some ways we thought she could have done a better job or whatever. She could have. KBB and her people never came into place to purge other people.
SPEAKER 07 :
No, they did not. They did not.
SPEAKER 05 :
Okay.
SPEAKER 07 :
For all of her lack of leadership skills, which, yes, she had a lot of. I’m sorry. I’ll say it like it is. I’ve never not said things like they should be, Andy. Her leadership skills lacked in a lot of areas. I’ll give her that. But she never did what you just said.
SPEAKER 05 :
No, she didn’t do any of this. Okay. And not just she, but her followers. Her followers never wanted to purge. Nope.
SPEAKER 07 :
They don’t want to kick anybody out of the party.
SPEAKER 05 :
No, they didn’t want to kick anyone out. Britta doesn’t want to kick anybody out.
SPEAKER 07 :
No.
SPEAKER 05 :
But one group does. And the only reason they put Dave in place was to get those they didn’t like I’m telling you what, that’s pretty rough.
SPEAKER 07 :
I am thoroughly convinced, Andy, the only reason why more of these individuals don’t come against you and I in this program on a more routine basis publicly is because they know, A, we have enough followers that would shut them down. True. B, they don’t have enough facts to actually stand on top of what they would actually accuse us of doing. And then lastly, there’s just there’s no standing. They have no ability. It’s why you and I collectively in our show hardly ever get mentioned in any of these things that go on social media wise because they don’t have a leg to stand on.
SPEAKER 05 :
I know Rhino Watch always puts out these articles that seem like they’re answering us, but they never meant. They never mention us. It’s so funny.
SPEAKER 07 :
They never mention us one time, but you know they’re answering us. You are 100% correct, Andy. That is absolutely right. So, all right. Two more hours coming your way, guys. Stay tuned. Amy Robbins is going to join us here in just one moment. She is from Parler. Joins us from time to time. We’ll talk to her in just a minute. Myself, Andy, and Charlie will be right back. Hour two is next. Rush to Reason, Denver’s Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560.
SPEAKER 1 :
I’m a rich guy.
