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HR1 Rush To Reason December 17, 2024 by John Rush
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It’s Rush to Reason with your host, John Rush. Presented by High Five Plumbing, Heating, and Cooling, where every call ends with a high five.
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All right. Happy Tuesday, everybody. Rush to Reason, Denver’s Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560. Myself, Andy Pate, Charlie Grimes. And how is Andy as we get down this home stretch to Christmas?
SPEAKER 14 :
Andy’s doing pretty well. Andy is getting ready for Christmas. I’m pretty close. How about you?
SPEAKER 12 :
You know, winding down, checking off those few little things left to do. And for me, on the business end of things, this is the last full business week of the year. So my end of the year is Friday, basically. Are you pretty pressed?
SPEAKER 14 :
I would think a lot. You see, I think that’s common, though, John. I think a lot of people are really busy. And this is one reason that I think there are a lot of mental health issues at this time of year. Now, obviously, there’s those who are feeling lonely, right? Where’s my family?
SPEAKER 12 :
It’s very pressured this time of year, Andy.
SPEAKER 14 :
But also, it’s high pressure. You’re trying to get in so many things before the end of the year and also before Christmas.
SPEAKER 12 :
Absolutely. All right, question of the day yesterday. Who wrote, Christmas doesn’t come from a store. Maybe Christmas perhaps means a little bit more. Charlie, anyone? Dr. Seuss. Said that.
SPEAKER 14 :
Well, I thought it was going to be one of the people Biden’s pardoning.
SPEAKER 12 :
Well, that could be, too.
SPEAKER 14 :
I’m just saying. But there’s so many. Never mind.
SPEAKER 12 :
But really quick before the next question of the day. OK. Some of the people that he has pardoned are absolute scum, Andy. Absolute scum.
SPEAKER 14 :
How about three Chinese spies? How about people who.
SPEAKER 12 :
How about Chinese spies that on top of that are addicted to child porn and the abuse of children and so on that top that one off?
SPEAKER 14 :
Well, you know, his son needs a group to get together with.
SPEAKER 12 :
It’s a groupie thing? Yeah, it’s a groupie thing. A groupie pardon?
SPEAKER 14 :
Oh, yeah.
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Unbelievable. All right, today’s impossible question. In the old days, women in England. I don’t know what the old days means. I don’t know how long ago this was. But in the old days. Last week. Women in England who wanted to find a husband ate what at Christmas for good luck? Any idea, Charlie? He has no idea. Andy? What did they eat at Christmas for good luck? To find a man.
SPEAKER 14 :
Well, now they eat chocolate any time of the year, and they don’t need them anymore.
SPEAKER 12 :
Charlie said peppermint. Nope, wrong answer. I would have never guessed this, so… Okay, I got nothing. Okay, those of you that may know the answer… Mistletoe. That way it’s always there. It’s always there. So you have to kiss her. Answer that on the social media page, Rush to Reason. Don’t forget, we also need Christmas song requests for Christmas Day. A lot of you… By the way, as a reminder, like that day. So if you like that day and there are special requests for songs you want to hear on Christmas Day, you need to make that known. Let us be aware of that.
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It’s helpful.
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It helps Charlie a lot. No, Charlie said mistletoe is poisonous, by the way. I didn’t know that. Oh, well, don’t do that, ladies. All right, before we get rolling, we’ve got a special guest joining us here at 315. Prior to that, though, some of you out there may have seen this. I happened to see it because one of you as listeners sent me the original video of where the round earther was going to take four flat earthers. to Antarctica to watch the solstice, where the sun is up for 24 hours. It literally just circles the horizon, because that’s what it does this time of year, because we live on a globe, proving we’re not on a flat Earth. So there was a… offer to flat earthers where i didn’t realize this trip was this expensive it was 35 grand a piece per to bring these four flat earthers along with this and he brought some other folks that were you know guys like us that believe in a sphere world anyways brought them to really show them that yes in fact this is a real place no there’s not an ice wall and yes we do live on a globe and one of them in viewing all of this, and he’s one of the biggest Flat Earth proponents, has a huge following, podcast, the whole nine yards, YouTube, et cetera. He actually, in his own words, literally when you look at him and they’re interviewing him as this is happening, he was up for 24 hours straight, and he’s dumbfounded. He is like, I guess I’ve been wrong.
SPEAKER 14 :
No kidding.
SPEAKER 12 :
I am sorry. Okay. I’m going to have to basically go back to the drawing board, I guess, because I can’t answer what I just saw.
SPEAKER 14 :
Did he also confess that two and two equals four?
SPEAKER 12 :
He didn’t get into that, but you can tell by looking at him that he was extremely perplexed Because his whole, I mean, some of these people, Andy, as you know, their whole almost faith system is built upon this whole flat earth nonsense.
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They’re crazy.
SPEAKER 12 :
Back it up with Scripture and all sorts of other things, which they’re misusing Scripture when they do, which, by the way, is very heretical in and of itself. So the reality is if you’re one of those that’s a Christian that believes in a flat earth and you use Scripture for that, you’re a dodo head. Sorry, you just are, because there is nothing in Scripture that talks about a flat earth, period. In fact, quite the opposite. Right. It’s quite the opposite. If you really read Scripture, you’ll figure that out. So don’t take what some wackadoodle out on YouTube or TikTok or Facebook is talking about a flat earth, because they are literally wackadoodles. And one of them went from being a wackadoodle to our side, Andy.
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Let me ask you something, you know, at this time of year. What would be easier for Santa? A globe? Or a flat plane? Probably flat Earth. I mean, really, though?
SPEAKER 12 :
Probably cover more ground, couldn’t you? I don’t know.
SPEAKER 14 :
Now, do flat earthers believe that there is just… Stackable. Do flat earthers believe that there’s only people on one side of it, or they believe people are on the other side of it?
SPEAKER 12 :
They have a whole different view of how the continents are laid out in the whole nine yards. If you look at a flat earth map with the ice wall, it’s very weird.
SPEAKER 14 :
Okay, but we’re all faced up then.
SPEAKER 12 :
Correct.
SPEAKER 14 :
Okay, so what do they think is on the other side?
SPEAKER 12 :
We’re on sort of a sphere where the bottom side is still very deep so that when we drill and do things like that, that’s their explanation to, you know, being able to go down several miles into the earth and even the trenches that we have that are deep in the ocean and so on. That’s their explanation.
SPEAKER 14 :
But why wouldn’t we venture to the other side just for the heck of it? I mean, we are explorers. We have jets.
SPEAKER 12 :
Well, they don’t believe we’ve ever been in outer space, these same people, Andy. They think all that’s a myth. They think that’s all made up by NASA.
SPEAKER 14 :
But you wouldn’t have to go there. John, you wouldn’t have to go to outer space. All you’d have to do, it doesn’t matter if there’s an ice wall, you take a jet. A jet goes over an ice wall.
SPEAKER 12 :
Well, we have a firmament that keeps us in. This is not me speaking. The firmament keeps us in. Yeah, the firmament keeps us in. Which, by the way, the firmament went away during the flood, just so you all know. All you flat earthers, again, if you’re really going to go with Scripture on this, go look up the flood and what happened and what God talks about in relation to the firmament we had prior to that that surrounded the whole globe, by the way. Right, and then the waters from beneath and above, yeah. That’s right. So we had one of those prior. By the way, that’s why men lived to be almost 1,000 years back then, because they didn’t have the UV rays and all of the other things that we have environmentally speaking prior to that.
SPEAKER 14 :
You know, John, that’s one of the things that made it hard for me as an atheist was the ridiculous amount of evidence for a global flood. It was just like after a while. It’s huge. Yeah, Ken Ham always called it, okay, there are billions of dead things buried in rock layers laid down by water all over the world.
SPEAKER 12 :
So that’s one thing I’ve never asked a flat earther is how do they, because a lot of these people are Christians. Yeah. How do they explain the flood, Andy?
SPEAKER 14 :
Well, they don’t believe in that flood. Who knows? They don’t believe in it. They probably believe in a localized flood, which is ludicrous because why did God send the rainbow was to promise he would never do that again. That’s right. But he sent lots of localized floods, so he lied. Okay.
SPEAKER 12 :
None of the theories hold up, Andy.
SPEAKER 14 :
Okay, here’s what I want to ask before we go to break. Yeah. Why are so many of these, and I’m going to, can I use the word kook? Yeah. Why are so many of these kooks on the right? I don’t know.
SPEAKER 12 :
Well, because we’ve got a guest joining us, we’ve got a couple minutes. Let me explain what I think.
SPEAKER 14 :
Okay.
SPEAKER 12 :
Number one, we tend to feel, number one, a ton of mistrust for government, which I get. That’s fair. I am one of those. I don’t trust government either. Now, I’m not willing to go out on some of these kooky, you know, wackadoodle beliefs and so on just because I don’t trust government. I haven’t trusted government for a very long time. I still don’t go off on some of these tangents and believing some weird stuff that doesn’t exist and isn’t real. Right. Now, also, I do understand, though, Andy, that because of that distrust, if you would, they’re looking for other things that they can have faith, I guess, in. And unfortunately for a lot of these Christians that claim to be flat earthers, their faith is in the wrong spot. They’re looking for physical faith versus the spiritual faith we all have in our Lord. Right. By the way, they’re replacing him, I believe, with a different kind of faith. Shame on them.
SPEAKER 14 :
Well, they replace them with a lot of wacky theories.
SPEAKER 12 :
Correct.
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It’s not just flat earth.
SPEAKER 12 :
Oh, no, it’s all sorts of stuff. Yeesh. Talk a little bit about that. If you guys want to listen to the New Year’s Day podcast for NCR, we get into some of this because we recorded it today, actually, a little insight, and we talk about some of that, Andy, in that way. And it really is amazing to me how many conservative Christians— believe in some of these whole, you know, wackadoodle things like aliens and spaceships and there’s underwater cities and on and on we go. And it’s just utter, absolute nonsense, Andy.
SPEAKER 14 :
You know, I just worry about Santa crashing into the ice wall. That would be terrible.
SPEAKER 12 :
Could happen. Reindeer all over the place. In their world, that could happen. Broken reindeer. That’s the other thing I’ve never understood about flat earthers is how do you explain… Because we do know there are two places, north and south, pole-wise. They’re both very, very cold. Well, they’re not poles. They’re walls. I don’t know how they explain the center one, you know, the… I guess in their world—let me think about this. I think I can explain it, because they believe the sun travels around the ice wall, and it’s traveling around us. We’re not traveling around the sun. The sun’s traveling around us, and it’s much smaller than what we actually believe it is. Is it held up by a drone? Might be. Okay. With wires. Okay, got it. Flying around. Anyways, they believe the sun circles around the flat Earth, so I guess the center then would naturally be colder. But I don’t know how they explain the ice wall and not melting when the sun’s actually closer there— Again, none of it to me makes any sense. I try. Literally, I try, people. I do. I try to be compassionate towards those that are very foolish in their beliefs, but I struggle, Andy. I will say one last thing.
SPEAKER 14 :
When have flat earthers ever taken round earthers to the North Pole or the South Pole to prove their theory and had round earthers say, my gosh, you’re right?
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God. Country. Reason. Now back to John Rush.
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All right, we are back. Rush to Reason, Denver’s Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560. Myself, Andy Pate, Todd Watkins joining us now. Todd, welcome. How are you, sir?
SPEAKER 15 :
I am well. Thank you very much.
SPEAKER 12 :
Always nice to have you. All right, give us an update on our illustrious local Colorado GOP.
SPEAKER 15 :
Well, let’s see. They’ve retained a An attorney, I guess he just got admitted to the bar in September is my understanding. A fellow named Matt Arnold.
SPEAKER 12 :
Very familiar with Matt.
SPEAKER 15 :
We are very familiar with Matt Arnold.
SPEAKER 12 :
Yes.
SPEAKER 14 :
I think I’m glad to hear that.
SPEAKER 12 :
And you can tell that there’s not a lot of excitement in our voice on that one, Todd.
SPEAKER 14 :
I think it’s hilarious. Matt Arnold to run their corruption committee.
SPEAKER 12 :
The guy that probably could be the poster child for is now going to run it.
SPEAKER 15 :
I think it’s hilarious. Well, it takes one to know one, right?
SPEAKER 12 :
Literally.
SPEAKER 15 :
My goodness. Anyway. So, yeah, he’s the head of the corruption. That was an unforced error, huh? Head of the corruption committee. And the first order of business is to come after Nancy, me, Eli. I believe Christy Ruckus is actually on their team.
SPEAKER 14 :
in their on their target also look here’s the thing uh todd we’ll get to i know you’re calling in on another topic but really quick this is a hit squad yeah okay he’s going to chair and this is amazing because we got to keep in mind the uh colorado republican party and you were there when they were talking about it at the colorado republican party headquarters they launched rhino watch which Which is a hit site. We’re talking… This has never been done before, okay, folks? In fact, I’m not just saying Colorado. I don’t know a state where the Republican Party… has put together a hit site and a hit squad and lawyers and spent $100,000 on lawyers to attack everybody. But long story short, I have never seen a Republican Party heading up any state, Todd, that has put together all of these teams and squads and things to simply go after Republicans they don’t like.
SPEAKER 12 :
Right. People they don’t like.
SPEAKER 15 :
Well, and I mean, to Andy’s point, I mean, that’s what this, you know, corruption committee is. Correct.
SPEAKER 12 :
Right.
SPEAKER 15 :
It’s just kind of part and parcel with the whole Rhino Watch thing. I mean, I was there when it was conceived, when it was stood up. I’ve got emails announcing it, you know, hey, we’re looking for content, almost ready to launch, and kind of some of the metrics behind it, how many people saw it, how many people opened it, etc. I can tell you exactly who’s involved with it and prove it.
SPEAKER 14 :
Yeah, and they put people like Heidi Ganahl on their wall of shame. She was our governor candidate. Anyway.
SPEAKER 12 :
Before you move on, one question I’ve got, Todd, because it probably might even layer into what you’re going to talk about next, but I just have a question because in the article that I read where they were talking about Matt Arnold now coming on and becoming part of this, you know, head of this corruption committee, they talked about how in relation to you and the lawsuit and so on, They have spent hundreds, over $100,000 defending all of that. Now, Todd, again, I’m a business guy. I’ve been involved in different sorts of suits over the years with the business that I have. Different things happen, and sometimes you end up even in trial, depending upon what the situation might be and so on. Granted, mine involved probably more insurance than other things. But regardless… The cost of the attorneys is probably roughly the same. And Todd, I will tell you that even some cases where it may take two years dragging certain things out to get all of your fact-finding done, I have never in my life seen a bill that big on the legal side. Am I wrong?
SPEAKER 15 :
I agree. I was on the law enforcement side, so I’m allergic to lawyers. It sounds a bit exorbitant.
SPEAKER 12 :
Well, really quick, so for all of you listening, so you know where I’m coming from. I took just $100,000, Todd, divided it by… Five hundred dollars an hour, which, by the way, is a very high priced lawyer. And I don’t I know the firm that they’re using. And if they’re five hundred an hour, it’s way overcharged for what I feel is the experience level there. And I wouldn’t pay them five hundred dollars an hour. But let’s just say, in fact, they did. That’s roughly, I think I did the math. It’s roughly, let me do it again because I did this last night in the elevator on my way down. I apologize. Normally I’ve got this off the top of my head. If you take that number really quick, 100,000, and we divide that by 500 an hour, 200 hours they would have had to spend, Todd, on your particular case, which I guarantee you has not happened.
SPEAKER 15 :
It seems a stretch. I’d also like to point out that they’re the ones that started the legal proceedings. They’re defending what they’re defending against. We’re attacking.
SPEAKER 12 :
Yeah, they attack. That’s right. Good point. No, no, really good point. And my point, for all of you listening that are on that side, because I know a lot of you that are on that side, listen to me. You’re being snowed. You’re being, you know, your money that’s going to the GOP is being used for this nonsense, and they have spent that money. I’ve seen it on the FEC reports. And, Todd, either something nefarious is going on, and there’s money back-channeling in some places that it shouldn’t be, or else these guys at the law firm are just crooks. I don’t know which.
SPEAKER 15 :
lining their pockets that’s for sure i i’ve been told that they have the state party has six accounts and i couldn’t tell you if all of those are actually reported you know to fec or to the secretary of state and i don’t know which pot of money
SPEAKER 12 :
They’re paying the Dave Piggott law firm out of… Well, I tracked $60K worth on the FEC report, and I didn’t go back far enough, so there very easily could be the other $40K that they’re… Regardless, they’re claiming publicly that they spent $100K on this, and I just want to know where the money’s at, because that’s way too much for what they’ve got.
SPEAKER 14 :
Look, let me take us a step back here. Here’s the bottom line, okay, Todd? They are spending all this money on lawsuits because they’re being attacked from all corners of the Republican Party here in Colorado. And the question is, OK, why are they being attacked? And the answer is very simple, because right from the outset, when Dave took power. He has been abusing power and attacking fellow Republicans. And all people like you and Eli and us and Natalie and everybody, all we’ve been asking of the state party is this.
SPEAKER 12 :
Accountability.
SPEAKER 14 :
Will you please stop attacking Republicans?
SPEAKER 12 :
Well…
SPEAKER 15 :
i mean my gosh they’re working for republicans that’s their job keyword todd that andy said a moment ago dave took power yeah dave didn’t take accountability for leadership and there’s two big differences there right well he’s not a leader he has zero leadership uh qualities i’ve seen nothing of leadership in him all i have seen is just the uh it just abject, uh, power mongering. That’s all I’ve seen.
SPEAKER 12 :
Me too. Well, I’ve been calling it out for a very long time now.
SPEAKER 14 :
Um, should we, before the break or after?
SPEAKER 12 :
Keep going.
SPEAKER 14 :
We’re going to keep going. Well, um, for those who don’t know, you were part of a, um, a meeting that happened on X and, uh, there was a lot of people were invited onto this and that was by Natalie Tennant. She does a great job and they were, Natalie’s going to be calling in by way next Monday. Okay. Um, And they were on there. You were discussing a whole different issue that was happening in Douglas County about whether they needed to appoint another commissioner. And I don’t I don’t want to get into that. But a lot of people were invited to come on the call. And one of those people happened to be a guy named Chavez, Anthony Chavez.
SPEAKER 12 :
Who we’d never heard of, by the way.
SPEAKER 14 :
Who we’d never heard of. It just happens that this guy, apparently, he helped cure some ballads in a close election. And therefore, he got an invite. And he came and he asked some tough questions. Later, he sent, apparently, some emails or messages.
SPEAKER 12 :
Tweets. Tweets.
SPEAKER 14 :
Okay, so some tweets at the state party that were incredibly threatening, and they were. They were. And he made himself a viable threat. He was a real threat, and they had to call the cops on him, which they did.
SPEAKER 12 :
Now, I’m not defending this guy, but he did come out afterwards and say, that’s not what I meant. I was using some… Yeah, he backed… Metaphors and things along those lines. I’m not sure I believe all of that. But regardless, he backed way off of those right afterwards. I think once he realized, oh, crap, I probably shouldn’t have said the things that I said. But regardless, Todd, he backed away from that. And what we’re seeing now from the state party is they feel threatened for their lives daily.
SPEAKER 14 :
Yeah, and since then, the state party, and we’re talking about Dave and Hope mainly, Dave put out an email, Hope put out a whole slew of posts on Facebook. She and I got into it again a number of times. Bottom line, they say this. that the reason this guy did this is because of people like you, Todd.
SPEAKER 12 :
Because of you, Todd.
SPEAKER 14 :
Because you had this meeting. And therefore, you are responsible for everybody who signs into a meeting. Right. And if anybody who signs into any meeting that you do…
SPEAKER 12 :
And comes out of there unhappy and threatens it’s your fault. Right.
SPEAKER 14 :
And it’s because you are, and here’s the big thing, Dave, Todd, Dave is saying that because you’re critical of the state party.
SPEAKER 12 :
Well, one step further, and you instituted a coup, direct words that they put into the newsletter.
SPEAKER 14 :
Yeah, because you did a coup. In other words, because you tried to remove them from power. Which, by the way, thank you for doing that. It needs to be done. That simply by doing that, by trying to remove them from power, you incited violence. You incited these kinds of people, like this Anthony Chavez. You caused this. You were fomenting violence by doing this, Todd.
SPEAKER 12 :
So what say you, Todd?
SPEAKER 14 :
What do you say, Todd?
SPEAKER 15 :
They sound like AOC, the squad. I get… I get flashes of Maxine Waters here, especially what’s, you know, the last two days I’ve been accosted by this woman down here at the gym.
SPEAKER 14 :
At the gym.
SPEAKER 15 :
Who is a, you know, she’s part of Vicki Tonkin’s inner circle, Dave Williams’ devotee, although she’s not part of the state central committee. And she’s come up to me and, you know, hollered at me, you need to stop talking now. speaking out about the state GOP because you’re going to get people killed. It’s your fault that this happened.
SPEAKER 14 :
Okay, now wait, she says this to you while you’re at the gym? Yeah, working out.
SPEAKER 12 :
Unreal.
SPEAKER 14 :
Does she at least give you a spot to help you out?
SPEAKER 12 :
That’s crazy. I mean, honestly, Todd, this is how loony these people have become because literally what they’re doing is exactly what the left does when they want things shut down. They will accuse things of not being the way they are. In fact, they’ll accuse others of doing what they do.
SPEAKER 14 :
Yeah, it’s straight out of Saul Alinsky. Yep. Absolutely. I mean, Todd, how are they any different than the Democrats saying that Trump was inciting violence by saying that he was robbed of the election? Trump never told… Trump told people to march peaceably and patriotically. He never told anybody to, you know, break through windows and doors. Trump did not incite violence in any way, shape, or form. There was no insurrection. He didn’t do that, right? But the left says his free speech… was dangerous to them. The state party is saying that your free speech is dangerous to them. How are they different? Correct.
SPEAKER 15 :
That is exactly what is happening. And I want to stress that this woman didn’t say, stop telling lies. stop attacking. She said, stop speaking out against the state GOP. I’m to hold my tongue because they don’t like what I’m saying. I hope she thinks about what it was that she said, because I think that was a bit of a Freudian slip.
SPEAKER 12 :
Todd, these are what cults do, by the way, because any time you start calling out the leader of the cult, the members of said cult will call you on the carpet for doing exactly that.
SPEAKER 14 :
Correct, because if the leader is wrong, they’re wrong. Yep. What they’re doing right now is, first of all, they’re playing the victim. And don’t get me wrong, I believe that this guy made himself a legit threat and needed to have the cops called on him, which they did. I’m cool with that. But they went beyond that to weaponize their victimhood to try to silence all of their critics. And so now what they’re saying… is they’re telling their people, anyone who criticizes us is endangering us. All because of one guy, by the way. There haven’t been a flood of these people. One guy. And by the way, at that meeting, none of you ever said one single solitary word calling for violence, right, Todd? Oh, absolutely not.
SPEAKER 15 :
In fact, the vast majority of the airtime was between Hope Scheppelman and and this Anthony Chavez guy, whose name, by the way, I did not know until the next morning when Dave accused us of conspiring with him.
SPEAKER 14 :
And how was the meeting, really quick, how was the tenor of the meeting? Was it confrontational or was it… just pretty blah. Honestly, it was kind of a sleeper. Okay.
SPEAKER 12 :
So it wasn’t like this, you know, rah, rah, cheer, let’s get things handled, let’s get these guys out of office, blah, blah, blah.
SPEAKER 14 :
Did you hand out torches and pitchforks?
SPEAKER 15 :
Hope went on there, and actually, there’s an article Jimmy Sangenberger wrote.
SPEAKER 11 :
I saw it.
SPEAKER 15 :
I think it was published today that does great synopsis of That meeting. It was a lot of hope was went into kind of a mea culpa. You know, there are things that have happened that I need to take ownership for. And I just want to patch things up. And she was asked at the end, you know, are you happy with this? Oh, this is great. Would you come back? We do another one. Will you come back? So absolutely, I will come back. I think I think we got we made some progress here. Boy, she took a different turn the next day after that guy went off. And now it happened in the meeting. Well, you can’t have it both ways, Hope.
SPEAKER 12 :
So question I’ve gotten. This is just me. This isn’t Andy or anybody else. This isn’t even KLZ. This is just me asking a question from, you know me, Todd. I’m kind of a common sense driven, you know, blue collar kind of a guy. If I didn’t know any better. And I didn’t trust the current leadership, which it’s not, the power brokers, I should say, at the Colorado GOP, which I do not. I would almost say this guy was a plant.
SPEAKER 15 :
You know, I would halfway agree, except a couple other people said that they – well, they knew him. So could somebody on the state party side have – encouraged him or you know to get on there or groomed him for this purpose who knows but if he was he would he not have disrupted the the call though i i’m My gut tells me he acted completely on his own. Well, yeah, but here’s… Maybe a little unstable.
SPEAKER 14 :
But, Todd, I mean, if he was planning on… Look, if what they wanted was victimhood so that they could weaponize it, which is what they’ve done. They’re weaponizing their victimhood to try to silence dissent, okay? If they were planning on that, then they need to be victims of something, which means that they would have planned to have this guy threaten them all along. And so all they needed was a setting for him to attend where you guys were.
SPEAKER 12 :
To put the blame on.
SPEAKER 14 :
So that they could attach him to you.
SPEAKER 12 :
Point of blame.
SPEAKER 15 :
Well, I mean, he certainly could have attacked and threatened Hope on the meeting. She was right there.
SPEAKER 12 :
Yeah, but Todd, no offense, Todd. At the end of the day, though, that still doesn’t accomplish what they want at the end of the day because what they got with this guy going out onto X and publicly displaying what his thoughts were, they had a much larger audience in all of that and now can blame you guys and the meeting that you had and me for being – Andy and I for being on the radio and saying the things that we say. I mean, collectively, we’re all against them, and it’s the reason why this guy did what he did.
SPEAKER 15 :
I mean, it’s not outside the realm of possibilities. And, Todd, I only say that because I don’t trust any of them.
SPEAKER 12 :
And I’m sorry, my brain doesn’t think that way on the front side, but I could see this from the backside looking in, and I trust none of them in leadership at the Colorado GOP right now. Nothing would surprise me, not given what they just did with this last hire, by the way.
SPEAKER 14 :
Yeah, that’s lunacy. Good point. True. My only thing that makes me question it, John, is… Really quick, by the way.
SPEAKER 12 :
Hang on tight. Real quick. Also, Todd, is it not super coincidental that we’ve got Arnold right after this? That is weird. Guys, come on now. I mean, really. I mean, again, I’m just a common old redneck. I know I don’t have a lot of education and so on, but when you start looking at this in light of some of the things that I am saying and you start putting the piece of the puzzle together – You gotta wonder.
SPEAKER 14 :
Because the Arnold hire obviously did not just happen overnight. This is something they’ve been grooming.
SPEAKER 12 :
But they needed something to trigger it.
SPEAKER 14 :
Right, they needed something to trigger it, and now they can say, we are endangered.
SPEAKER 15 :
Well, he promised back in November that he was going to do something along the lines of this. Once the elections are over and before the new year, we’re going to have a path forward to persecute you know, those who disagree with us. So I considered Matt Arnold to be part of that and was probably in the works since then.
SPEAKER 12 :
I thought, correct me if I’m wrong, the GOP, Colorado GOP, was complaining about, you know, the lack of funding and we couldn’t do more to help our candidates because we just didn’t have the money we needed and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, but yet we just added another hire and we’ve spent over $100,000 on lawyers.
SPEAKER 15 :
Right.
SPEAKER 12 :
What part am I missing, Todd?
SPEAKER 15 :
Obviously, someone’s lying.
SPEAKER 12 :
Thank you. There you go. Thank you.
SPEAKER 15 :
That’s the cop in me.
SPEAKER 12 :
I mean, thank you. I mean, I look at it the same way. It’s like, wait a minute. You can’t talk out of both sides of your mouth. You can’t be broke and spend 100 grand plus on attorneys that, by the way, are either way over billing you or were being sold a bill of goods, although the FEC report shows a lot of money being spent with these particular attorneys or this particular law firm. And then, oh, by the way, we’re going to also add another hire into the office right after the election.
SPEAKER 14 :
Well, we also have to keep in mind, and this is in the words of Mark Hampton, who is from Rhino Watch, Dave is going to do a purge. of people in the new year. He wants to purge people off, I guess, the SEC or purge dissenters. I forget exactly how he wants to do it. But Dave had come out and said, we’re going to go after some of these people. We’re going to, you know, we need help rooting out the problems and so forth. So as Mark Hampton says, and he’s a huge ally of Dave, that they’re going to do a purge. But Todd, aren’t they in the meantime trying to purge dissenting voices by using the victimhood of this one kook?
SPEAKER 15 :
Well, yes, exactly. Also, in order to purge people from the state central committee, they need to rig basically 64 different organizational meetings in February.
SPEAKER 14 :
I wouldn’t be surprised if they were not trying to infiltrate a lot of those. I’m sure they are, yeah. Right. There you go.
SPEAKER 12 :
Yeah, because my feeling is they just infiltrated the meeting you had not long ago. I’m going to stand by that because I don’t trust these guys at all.
SPEAKER 15 :
I mean, we know they were there. We recognized at least five people.
SPEAKER 12 :
No, I meant you guys were set up is what I mean. Yeah. Sorry. When I started reading all of those things, my number one immediate reaction as I’m reading these tweets and I’m watching the newsletter that went out and I go do a little bit of tracking and I start reading what’s going on, I’m thinking to myself, first of all, who is this guy? Never heard of him ever. And I’ve been around things for quite some time here in Colorado and interviewed all sorts of people, Todd. And I’m like, wait a minute, that guy’s name does not ring a bell whatsoever. This guy is a patsy if I’ve ever seen one. And you guys were set up.
SPEAKER 14 :
And why was he using lingo like the health care shooter? I mean, come on. I have no idea.
SPEAKER 15 :
That’s where I think he’s, you know, he has some issues because there was a lot of non sequitur in his posts.
SPEAKER 14 :
It was ludicrous.
SPEAKER 12 :
And if I’m a Dave, and I’ll close with this, if I’m Dave Williams, and I know there’s somebody out there like this that really I don’t even have to give a lot of instruction to, but just have them sort of quietly hang out knowing that most likely something is going to get triggered and they’re going to do something like this afterwards, even if I don’t have to say a lot to make that happen, and I know it’s going to happen, I’m still going in that direction.
SPEAKER 15 :
Sure. I mean, the whole plan, if it is, as you say, where he you know, lurks and engages during the spoken part and then goes absolutely, you know, bonkers bananas on the written part. It’s a stupid plan, if ever I’ve seen one. It just, the two do not comport. He was not that way on the spoken part. And then if he failed in his mission there and then tried to make up with it by going completely haywire in writing, It’s such a turnabout. Right.
SPEAKER 12 :
Well, okay, so you being a cop.
SPEAKER 15 :
He’s highly unstable or he failed and he’s trying to make up.
SPEAKER 12 :
You being a cop, what’s that old saying? If something doesn’t smell quite right, it probably isn’t. This one doesn’t smell right, Todd.
SPEAKER 15 :
There’s a professional term, hinky. This is very hinky.
SPEAKER 14 :
Okay. All I know is this, whether he was a plant or whether he just came out of the blue, the fact is that the state party has been using that one incident exactly as the Democrats used J6 for a couple years. Yeah, 100%.
SPEAKER 12 :
Sorry, I’ve got to throw this out there, guys. Who caused J6?
SPEAKER 15 :
The Dems?
SPEAKER 12 :
Thank you. I mean, I believe they did. I think there was a lot of insightful things going on with some folks with the letters FBI that had a lot to do with what was going on that day. There’s been all sorts of things proven that these guys were there in plain clothes. You can spot them out of a crowd almost anywhere. How about Ray Epps? Yeah, Ray Epps. I mean, Todd, we can go down the list. So tell me if that happened over there, why is what I’m saying so far-fetched? And I’ve said it all and I’ll keep saying it. If I didn’t know any better, I would tell you Dave Williams is a dem plant.
SPEAKER 15 :
You’re not the first to say that. Not the only one to say that, I don’t think. I’ve heard that from a couple people.
SPEAKER 12 :
I’ve been saying that for a while now. Either way, he is their best tool.
SPEAKER 15 :
Right. Whether intentional or unintentional, he’s doing the job.
SPEAKER 12 :
Correct. Todd, I’ll leave it at that. You’re always welcome to call in. Appreciate the update, sir.
SPEAKER 15 :
Yeah, appreciate it.
SPEAKER 12 :
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SPEAKER 13 :
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SPEAKER 12 :
All right, we are back, Rush to Reason, Denver’s Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560. So let’s, really quick, indulge me for a moment, all of you, when it comes to this whole, was this a particular situation where there was a setup involved in getting somebody to do something after the meeting, not during the meeting, but after the meeting, to then allow somebody the quote unquote leadership. And I put air quotes around it because they’re not, but that allow those that are governing the GOP in Colorado right now to then go on attack like they’re currently doing.
SPEAKER 14 :
Well, the reason you would think that’s possible is the way that they have used it. They have literally seized on this, this one, you know, this tweet by this one guy, this Anthony Chavez, who none of us had heard of.
SPEAKER 12 :
I don’t know him.
SPEAKER 14 :
I asked Eli Bremer. Have you heard of him? No. Todd, have you heard of him? No. Natalie, have you heard of him? No. Um, Nobody had even heard of him. Comes out of the blue and gives the state party the one thing. John, they’re blasting it all over the state. We are at risk. I know. We are under threat. I know. And they’re saying we will never.
SPEAKER 12 :
They’re using this for everything they can.
SPEAKER 14 :
Yeah, we will never stop speaking up.
SPEAKER 12 :
Never let a crisis go to waste, Andy.
SPEAKER 14 :
Wow. Especially if you create the crisis.
SPEAKER 12 :
Now, here’s, again, indulge me. And Andy was asking during the break, well, you know, how do you get a guy to do all of this knowing that when it’s all said and done, he may very well be questioned by the cops? Simple, Andy. You find a person that literally is a little bit, and I don’t know this for sure, so please just, again, indulge me, but you find somebody that maybe is a little bit out there on the edge. Okay. Where you realize that really all you have to do is get them to show up to a meeting, listen in a little bit, ask a few questions, and then afterwards just start poking them with the right buttons. Right. Boom, boom, boom, boom. where you know by doing so, they’re now going to just flare up. And respond accordingly.
SPEAKER 14 :
No, I would think in the case of this guy, if he did it, they literally, he’s working with them. Could be. Could be.
SPEAKER 12 :
Although, Andy, there’s enough loons out there to where if you get the right person going, it doesn’t take much to encourage that.
SPEAKER 14 :
I know, but his wording was so similar in some aspects to what the shooter said. Because he was saying things like, oh, no, he was like the subway guy. Right. Because he was saying, I’ve got bail money. I don’t care. I know. In other words, I will do harm to you and I don’t care about what happens to me because I can bail myself out. I can afford to have bail money. Yeah. And that’s exactly what the subway shooter said. Correct. I mean, why would somebody. And that’s a recent story. Repeat what the subway shooter basically said. I mean.
SPEAKER 12 :
You have to wonder, have they been coached? I don’t know, Andy. And again, I’m not accusing. I don’t know, folks. Please don’t anybody out there say, well, John Rush said blah, blah. No, I’m just… No, we’re not saying we know. Hypothetically speaking, could that be possible given what the current GOP leaders… Notice I’m not using leadership because they don’t know how, but what the current leaders are doing with this.
SPEAKER 14 :
Right. And they keep using the exact same words that the Democrats used with Trump fomenting, inciting. OK, they’re using the exact same words with this, with, you know, Eli and Todd and Natalie and so forth. They’re using the exact same words with them that the Democrats used with Trump. They’re using it exactly the same way. The Democrats did pretty well in 2022 off of J6. I mean, they were able to ride it that long.
SPEAKER 12 :
Right.
SPEAKER 14 :
I don’t know.
SPEAKER 12 :
Again, folks, I don’t either. It’s just a theory. One thing’s for sure. Can’t back it up. I don’t know.
SPEAKER 14 :
Well, the thing that makes it so bizarre, and I’ll end it with this, is that there was absolutely nothing in the meeting, nor has there been anything that has been put out by Natalie and her group. You know, the people who tried to remove Dave? None of them have put out anything remotely violent in any way, shape or form.
SPEAKER 12 :
Nor have we here on air. The things that I’ve been talking about, by the way, long before anybody else got on that train. I just want to remind everybody, Andy and I were on this train. We started the train. And I literally am being very honest when I say this. Literally, it didn’t take me more than about a month. After Dave took over chairman to start seeing through what was actually going on, and I was calling it out openly on air, some of the things that he was actually doing, I still am. And have I incited anything? No, I’m just calling the guy out for what he is. Yeah. A charlatan.
SPEAKER 14 :
I was worried immediately, and due to some other reasons, things I saw in meetings, his people were going out and bashing Christy Burton Brown. But… It was about a month after you were calling for him to step down than I was beginning to.
SPEAKER 12 :
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SPEAKER 12 :
All right, we are back. A few seconds left of this particular hour. We’ve got two more hours coming your way, of course, so always remember that. And we’ve got a couple of guests we’ll be interviewing over the next couple of hours as well. And then Andy and I, probably next hour, will be covering a little bit about the Democrat Party and have they lost the culture.
SPEAKER 14 :
They have lost the culture, and I want to talk about why. You know, what has happened to them where they have absolutely lost the culture? Because it used to be cool to be against Trump. Now it’s cool to be with Trump.
SPEAKER 12 :
And this next guest, by the way, Harry Fisher, we’re going to talk about, he has a book, Safe and Effective, for profit, a paramedic story exposing American genocide. Some of that, by the way, I believe, Andy, plays into some of what you’re talking about as well, because people are finally waking up and they’re fed up at the same time.
SPEAKER 14 :
Are you seeing a little COVID aftermath?
SPEAKER 12 :
A little bit. So we’ll talk about that next hour. Don’t go anywhere, folks. Rush to Reason, Denver’s Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560.
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