A lively discussion unfolds as Dr. Kelly Victory joins John Rush to analyze Trump’s new appointments, with a focus on the controversial pick of RFK Jr. as the Director of Health and Human Services. The conversation moves from political strategy to the lingering effects of the COVID era and how these new appointments plan to address past missteps. Listeners weigh in with questions about health, governance, and Dr. Kelly offers insights into what the future holds for American healthcare and political accountability.
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All right. Happy Thursday. Welcome. Rush to Reason, Denver’s Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560. And with the results that we keep having roll in, it is a very happy Thursday. Dr. Kelly Victory with us today. Steve House was planning on being here, Dr. Kelly, but he is a little under the weather, let’s just say.
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Exactly. And I’m sorry that he’s missing this. I’m with you, John. I feel like we are watching the NFL draft pick here in rapid succession. Trump is announcing those people who he’s going to point to these key cabinet positions. I would love to hear Steve’s input on some of those. So we’ll have to revisit this next week when we’ve got some additional players on the roster. But so far, so good for certain. Yeah. looking like it’s going to be just a stunningly strong team. I’ve got to tell you, the hammer of justice is about to fall, I feel. It looks to me like Trump is putting in place some people who do not intend to screw around here. They mean business. They are going to hold people accountable. And I think I’m hoping they keep on with this same kind of head of steam, this real urgency. They are wasting no time. And I think come January, they should be able to hit the ground running.
SPEAKER 12 :
Tell you what, he is doing some things on the front side. I talked about this a little bit yesterday where he is really dialed in compared to where he was the last year. That’s what the last term I should say. That’s where having some experience, Dr. Kelly, four years of which, again, goes back to your experience and what you do. And for those of you listening, if you’ve not heard. Dr. Kelly before. Now, in a lot of cases, you guys are tuning in from all over the country to hear Dr. Kelly victory. And those of you that do, you know, you can go to the website RushToReason.com. You can find a complete page dedicated to Dr. Kelly and all the work that she’s done up to this point. She’s been on with us since August of 2020. So it’s been over four years now. Dr. Kelly, by the way, and this I hope to hope to say this in the right way. It doesn’t seem that long.
SPEAKER 10 :
No, I agree. It’s amazing. The time has flown by when you think about how much of our lives has been consumed. And for you and me, it’s a little bit different, John. Think about somebody who’s, say, 20 years old. or in their early teens, the years of COVID, that era represents a large percentage of their lives. You know, 20, 25% of their lives were spent during this dystopian debacle that was COVID. So I certainly am hoping that those same people and ourselves included are looking forward to not just four years later, But hopefully eight or 12 years of really good times, good economic times, strong national sovereignty, patriotism, return to the rule of law, the sorts of things that we enjoyed previously as Americans. And so I am really energized by the rapidity with which Trump has come out of the box and is appointing people, really strong people. Again, there are a few jobs in this world, and mine as a trauma physician is certainly amongst them, where you don’t have the time, the luxury to sit around and cogitate and wait and weigh things on, sort of get into analysis paralysis. I think that’s sort of what hamstrung Trump the first time around is he really was slow. And many of them are in appointing people and getting stuff done. This time, I think Donald Trump has figured out there is not a minute to waste. We’ve got to get this ship right. Absolutely. We need to do it fast.
SPEAKER 12 :
Absolutely. No, you are a thousand percent correct on everything you just said. Those of you listening, I have a question that did already come in. But if you’ve got questions specifically for Dr. Kelly, we’ll take a break and come back and ask some of those here in just a few minutes. But if you’ve got a question, the text line 307. 307-200-8222. Again, 307-200-8222. You can send me a message and we’ll get that answered as well. Okay, one of the things, Dr. Kelly, we talked about even last week, weren’t sure exactly how it was going to pan out, but it looks like on X that President Trump has announced that RFK Jr. will, in fact, be the HHS director.
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Yes, and I think that was much anticipated by those of us who had been following along and certainly those of us who know Bobby Kennedy. And I think that that is a really great position for him. In some ways, it’s a more powerful position than Homeland Security or Secretary of State or, you know, these people going to the U.N. or wherever else. HHS oversees so many entities. It’s the FDA agency. and the NIH, and the CDC, but also Medicare and Medicaid. So many huge healthcare and public health entities report under that one umbrella. And so I think that Robert Kennedy Jr. is the perfect person to do that. He is the definition of czar. He’s got the ability intellectually and physically from just an energy standpoint to keep a lot of plates spinning. He can manage a lot of entities. Hopefully he will surround himself with the right people. And I think he can make a huge impact there. And I think also play a role in fixing the systematic issues we have with our food system, food additives, our overall ill health as a nation.
SPEAKER 12 :
You know, it’s funny, you see, for those of you, maybe you haven’t seen this, but I have. I’m sure you have, too, Dr. Kelly, where you see some of the current folks in health and human services compared to RFK Jr., and there is a stark contrast to the individuals themselves that are serving in those positions.
SPEAKER 10 :
Exactly. It’s not only in the fact that so many of the people in health and human services are not exactly, shall we say, walking the walk. Many of them are morbidly obese, sedentary people with their own raft of health care issues. But they also are people who have spent far too much of their careers focusing on things that have nothing to do with their core mandate, meaning things like DEI. You know, I heard somebody in the current, meaning the Biden administration for FEMA after the horrific incident. storms that happened in the Carolinas and in Florida, saying things like, we’re really focusing on equity in disaster response. I don’t even know what that would mean, equity in disaster response, and I’m a disaster response specialist. But people focusing on DEI, you know, LGBTQ, whatever it is, gender affirming issues or the whole gender conversation, equity. These are things that do not belong, certainly, in these different organizations or they certainly aren’t their core focus. So Robert Kennedy Jr., I am certain that. will bring a breath of fresh air and a lot of good initiatives to HHS.
SPEAKER 12 :
Question just came in. This one is right along the lines of what we’re talking about. Will Trump and RFK Jr., and it’s really not so much an RFK Jr. thing, although he could be a part of it. In other words, will this administration hold Fauci accountable?
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You know, it’s a great question, and I certainly hope so. It won’t be RFK himself specifically. It is likely to be, however, somebody like a Matt Gaetz. If Matt Gaetz is sworn in as attorney general, you better believe, I think, that Matt Gaetz will hold him accountable. And I think that many of the people in Congress are saying, you know, I’ve heard many people, including Matt Gaetz, saying, You know, you shouldn’t take that. Anthony Fauci should not take a job with some new pharmaceutical company or some new independent company because he’s going to be tied up answering and testifying in front of Congress for a good long time. I think they intend to hold his feet to the fire. I certainly hope they do. I am advocating for that, and I hope that ultimately some people will actually be charged criminally. That’s what should happen. We know that Anthony Fauci and a whole lot of other people, whether it’s Rochelle Walensky or Deborah Birx or Rick Bright and any number of these people, Absolutely lied, perjured themselves, hid data, were participant in the fraud that was COVID. They lied about everything from the safety, efficacy and necessity of the, quote, vaccines to the made up idea of social distancing, the necessity of lockdown, school closures, you name it. The idea of asymptomatic spread. All of this was a big fat lie. And these people need to be held accountable because they destroyed the lives and livelihoods of millions of people.
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Absolutely. And by the way, I can’t disagree with anything you just said. I think you are spot on. Question I have, this is my personal question, and we’ve talked about this in the past. It’s been brought up even publicly. There’s been some folks, RFK Jr. and others, that have even talked about publicly, podcasts and so on, about the royalties that government workers will receive. Thank you very much. IBM owns the patent. You do not. You are getting a paycheck to work for IBM. Therefore, all of that belongs to IBM. Why in the world do we allow this system to happen inside of NIH, and will this administration fix that?
SPEAKER 10 :
Well, I certainly hope they’ll fix it. You’re right. I mean, it’s absolutely insanity that this has been allowed to go on.
SPEAKER 12 :
It’s absolutely garbage. That money should come back to taxpayers, Dr. Kelly. We’re paying for it in the first place. It should not be going back to these individuals.
SPEAKER 10 :
Of course. I mean, it is absolute insanity that, you know, Anthony Fauci should be able to hold a patent, should be able to own a patent on a drug or therapeutic that he is then in a position to mandate or suggest should be given to all of humanity. Huge conflict of interest. Talk about a conflict of interest. That’s right. I mean, this is, you can’t enter a sweepstakes situation You know, for Arby’s, if you or if you’re an employee members work for Arby’s. Right. Right. You’ve got to fill out the thing that says I don’t work there and neither do my family members. And, you know, because Dr. Kelly really along those lines really quick.
SPEAKER 12 :
There are things that I will even get. Surveys and things along those lines, contests, whatever, that just because I’m a, even though I don’t consider myself a journalist or a part of media, I am. And there are certain things that I can’t participate in along those same lines for that very reason. The reality is it’s a conflict of interest and it shouldn’t be allowed in the first place.
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Exactly, and if nothing else, because what we call the optics are bad. It doesn’t look good. That’s right. If you participate in something, it’s a sweepstakes or a lottery or whatever it is, and you win and you work for them, everybody’s going to want to say, did somebody throw it for John Rush?
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That’s right.
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Did somebody on the inside arrange for their buddy to win? The optics are bad, and if you want people to have confidence in our election system or confidence in the way that drugs are developed, confidence in the fact that the FDA or the CDC or the NIH are saying something is safe and effective and necessary and this is a good drug, then you can’t have the people saying it be on the receiving end of the largesse or the benefits. It would be like when you go to Yelp to read a review on something, you don’t read reviews that are posted by the manufacturer themselves. If I want to buy a Samsung television, I don’t go and read reviews written by Samsung. I read independent ones. We need independence. It all comes down to independence, and we have not had that. It’s been going on for decades. And certainly Robert Kennedy Jr. is aware of it. I think more and more people, even the average physician, hopefully is now aware of this horrific conflict of interest. And it must absolutely be eliminated day one.
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All right, we are back. Dr. Kelly Victory joining us today. Rush to Reason, Denver’s Afternoon Rush. And Dr. Kelly, I had several text messages rolling in, you know, a thousand percent agreeing with what we’re talking about. Some going as far as to say we should go back in time and even pull back some of the, you know, confiscate some of those royalties that have been paid. I’m not sure we could ever do that. But the reality is it needs to be stopped moving forward.
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Absolutely. And it’s done, you know, in addition to the fact that it’s just, you know, completely immoral and unethical. It has done so much to undermine the confidence that people have in these agencies. Nobody I completely understand why nobody would listen to anybody who wears a, quote, public health hat. uh at this point right now after the buffoonery that went on during covid and now understanding how absolutely morally bereft these people are the fact that they have taken these royalties they’ve been paid insane amounts of money You know, Anthony Fauci was the highest paid individual in our government. Now he’s retired. He’s still getting $350,000 a year as a pension. Plus, it’s my understanding, millions of dollars a year worth of security, transportation, limousines, all of these things. If we’re doing what, I don’t know. Apparently, perpetrating crimes against humanity is lucrative. Yeah, there you go. But… You know, I agree with whatever. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, whatever listeners are saying, you know, I don’t think, unfortunately, that the way our system works, we’d be able to get those things back because they were allowed technically by our own government. But we have got to reverse it immediately if we ever have one of those hopes of regaining confidence.
SPEAKER 12 :
Absolutely. There’s much more to talk about. Let’s squeeze a question in before we move on. Been taking the antivirals echinacea and quercetin that I’ve learned about from Dr. Kelly on your show. I have a question. I was recently prescribed the drug and I’ll not pronounce this right. X-A-R-E-L-T-O. Xeralto? Am I saying that right? Xeralto. Okay.
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Xeralto, yeah.
SPEAKER 12 :
Xeralto. And echinacea, and it has indications it could possibly interact poorly with that drug, so I stopped taking it. I cannot find anything about quercetin interacting badly with that drug in any of the reliable sources, but my pharmacist, who cannot stand herbal medications and herbal supplements, herbal anything, and tries to vaccinate me every time she sees me, says I shouldn’t be taking quercetin with that drug. I was wondering if Dr. Kelly could give me answers, yay or nay, on this and or point me in the right direction to find a solid answer.
SPEAKER 10 :
I am unaware of any interaction with quercetin and any of those drugs. Quercetin is a naturally occurring compound. You simply can’t get enough of it through normal dietary sources, namely fruits and vegetables. So we recommend that people take it in an encapsulated supplement form. It’s a strong antioxidant of itself and helps with overall immune function. I am unaware of any interaction with that, although I haven’t done an exhaustive search.
SPEAKER 12 :
Okay, we’re really quick to stop for just one moment. I mean, why would something that’s natural that you’re talking about right now have any ill effect anyways? I guess personally as just a layman that kind of knows a little bit about some of this stuff, I would be confused as to why that would be the case in the first place.
SPEAKER 10 :
Well, there are some things, for example, even something as simple as grapefruit juice is not to be taken with certain medications. There are certain medications, in particular blood thinners, for example, that can be enhanced by certain things, even though those certain things are natural, say a food or something of that sort. But I am not aware of quercetin by itself having that side effect. So I would ask what I would suggest, and I’m not saying it isn’t possible, but I would go back to that same pharmacist and in a non-accusatory way say, could you direct me to the literature? Show me. Good point. Show me. If I shouldn’t take it, can you show me what it is because I’m unable to find that. and ask that person to show you. Because I think that at some point, and I have my own physician friends, personal physicians, that roll their eyes or say no to certain things that I suggest. And I say, really, show me. And believe me, you never get the study. You never get an article. You never get a theory.
SPEAKER 12 :
So some of that, because, you know, Dr. Kelly, as you know, I’m from the auto world, the car world, and so on. And I had… a conversation this last Saturday on air with a particular listener because in the auto world right now, even just something as simple as an oil change, you can get all sorts of different feedback from the dealer, from certain independent shops, and, by the way, from the owner’s manual. And sometimes they may all disagree. Of course, owner’s manual should be, in a lot of ways, the viable, not that it’s always correct. There’s some things with it that can even be off. But, you know, I think every industry, here’s my point, every industry I think at times struggles with, past perceptions of things, and even when something new comes along, they have a hard time adjusting to what’s happening. I’m guessing the same thing can happen in your world.
SPEAKER 10 :
Without a question, and there are many people who feel that. I think that supplements and naturopathic medicine and alternative medicine has gotten a bad rap over the years because You know, many times because people threw in the kitchen sink and it is hard to sort out what’s real and what’s snake oil, meaning what is just pure, you know, junk. But the reality is a lot of people who trained in mainstream medicine and that includes pharmacists are not up themselves personally on some of these natural medications. And therefore, it’s just easier to say no. No. Here’s what I studied in pharmacy school. Here’s what they taught me in medical school. They didn’t talk about the use of mushrooms. They didn’t talk about berberine. They didn’t teach me about quercetin. So it’s easier for me just to remain the expert and say, no, don’t take that. So there’s no question that medications like Xarelto, which happens to be an anticoagulant, it’s a blood thinner.
SPEAKER 12 :
Okay.
SPEAKER 10 :
there are things that can interfere with that. I am unaware personally, as I said, of quercetin being one of those things. So I would ask that pharmacist to show me because if it’s the case, then great, we should know that. But I fear that too many times, and I know because as I said, my own, you know, I’m a doctor, but I go to doctors. I still am a patient and I have my own team of physicians. And many times they will say, just without even thinking, not worth it. You know, no data that that works. You know what I’m saying? Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. There’s actually a lot of data that this works. And so I’m a big believer. I take a tremendous number of supplements myself, a number of things that are over the counter. And it is everything from mushrooms to berberine and magnesium. I take a lot of quercetin and zinc and I supplement vitamin D. I take ashwagandha, lots of different things. And some of them. Hang on.
SPEAKER 12 :
I got to start from you’re an MD also, right?
SPEAKER 10 :
Oh, 100 percent. Yeah.
SPEAKER 12 :
My point is there’s a lot of folks out there, I think, even in the medical world that would say to your point earlier, well, why are you doing all of that? I mean, literally, because I’ve heard some of these doctors over the years, Dr. Kelly, you know, to validate even what you’ve said. I’ve heard some of them say that exact same thing that, you know, well, you’re just wasting your money. You’re peeing. You’re peeing them all out anyways. Why does it matter?
SPEAKER 10 :
Right. Exactly. And it’s because it’s almost as if if they acknowledge that there are other things out there besides their specialty, they will somehow be less important or or less, you know, whatever value, you know, less, less important. you know, needed, which is silly because there are many, many things. I, you know, I am half Western trained physician, half shaman. I believe very much in alternative therapies and in the fact that we really need to be looking at overall health and wellness and all the things that will keep us well in our diets and And that includes a lot of things that aren’t by prescription. So, again, as I said, I am unaware of something, of Quercetin interacting with Xarelto. But if I were this individual, I would specifically ask the pharmacist before I just gave up taking the Quercetin because I think there are good health benefits. I would simply say, can you point me to that literature? Can you point me to it so that I can read about it?
SPEAKER 12 :
OK, that dovetails me into another question that I wasn’t necessarily going to ask, but this sort of got my mind thinking and sort of brings up. I think to your point, Dr. Killing, correct me if I’m wrong, but from the top down, I mean, everything from in D.C. around the Beltway, pharmaceutical companies, lobbyists and so on. There really is this anti-anything-that’s-not-a-pill-I-pop that’s prescribed to me by a doctor and fulfilled by a pharmacist. There’s this aura, this mentality, if you would, around the Beltway that all those guys are snake oil salesmen. None of them are any good. And by the way, maybe some of them aren’t. But this whole let’s-throw-the-baby-out-with-the-bathwater thing, do you feel like because of that, that now that some of this stuff’s going to get fixed with RFK Jr. now being in charge of HHS, do you feel like some of that might change?
SPEAKER 10 :
I certainly hope so. I really do. I think that we’re starting down a new era. In many ways, as painful… as the last four and a half years were with COVID, I think a lot of people’s eyes were opened. We saw behind the curtain. Many people have, you know, we’ve exposed the soft underbelly of the entire, you know, biomedical pharmaceutical complex and seen where the graft, the fraud, the corruption lay. And not all of it, I’m sure, but a healthy portion of it. So I think a lot of people’s eyes were opened due to this as painful as it was. And people are ready to have a new, not only a new guard in charge, but really to look at things, I think, a bit differently. I’m happy that people have eyes. a very healthy skepticism now of pharmaceutical companies. I’m happy that people are saying, wait a minute, you know what? I might just not sign up for those vaccines. Whatever vaccine. Hey, you know what? I might not take your statin drug.
SPEAKER 12 :
Or at least, Dr. Kelly, stop long enough to do more research like what you and I just talked about for the past 10 minutes. Even if they just… take a step back and say, hang on, where’s your literature around all of this? Where before, honestly, Dr. Kelly, and I think I’m as guilty as anybody of this, prior to 2020, if somebody said do this, you did that. You never questioned it. Now we’re questioning it. That’s a good thing.
SPEAKER 10 :
It’s a very good thing, and there’s an awful lot of hype. Certainly money drives so much of this. We have an entire – Sections of grocery stores, pages of menus that are dedicated to gluten free. OK, I’m here to tell you there are certain individuals who are gluten sensitive and there are certain people with celiac disease.
SPEAKER 13 :
Right.
SPEAKER 10 :
It is a fraction of a percent. OK, most people are not do not have a gluten issue. There are many other reasons to avoid processed food.
SPEAKER 12 :
They may have a gut issue or things along those lines, but they may not be as sensitive to that as they think. It’s what’s going on inside of their bodies. Right.
SPEAKER 10 :
Correct. Correct. And it’s just that we have made an industry out of it. created an industry out of it you know there’s you look at every package and it stands you know non-gmo non this and the funny thing about that dr kelly’s it’ll say non-gmo and a product that never has gmos in the first place correct or they wouldn’t have gluten in it in the first place you get a bag of carrots and it says gluten-free i’m like of course it’s gluten-free carrots right um right but but you know or but but if i ask people they’ll say oh great because it’s non-gmo and if i ask 98% of people, what does that mean to be non-GMO? And why is that a good thing or a bad thing?
SPEAKER 12 :
And by the way, can you roll off the labels or the products in the food, I should say? Can you roll off the food in the United States of America that’s only GMO or that can be GMO in the first place? Because the reality is I rolled by a peach stand the other day and on it said non-GMO. And Dr. Kelly, I did the research on this one. Peaches don’t have GMO anyways. That was 100% false marketing.
SPEAKER 10 :
Well, bottom line is there’s a lot of things about genetically modified organisms that are great. I mean, we genetically modify something so that they’re more pest resistant and you can use less pesticides.
SPEAKER 13 :
Correct.
SPEAKER 10 :
We genetically modify something so that it produces more fruit.
SPEAKER 12 :
In other words, it’s not always bad like what some people think.
SPEAKER 10 :
Correct. So, for example, the same people who are buying non-GMO Cheerios are also people buying Eglin’s Best Eggs because they have a higher percentage of omega-3 or good fats in the yolk. How do you think they got it that way? They genetically modified those chickens.
SPEAKER 12 :
Good point.
SPEAKER 10 :
I’m just telling you that at some point, we have got to stop the hype. People have got to get Be educated, be thoughtful, and don’t be doing things because people who stand to make money from you doing it are telling you to do it.
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All right, we are back. Rush to Reason, Denver’s Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560. Dr. Kelly Victory with us. This is our last segment, so if you’ve got a question for Dr. Kelly, please text it in, 307-200-8222. Dr. Kelly, again, personal question of mine, mainly because I’ve, you know, talking to you over all these years, Steve as well, also listening to a lot of what RFK Jr. and some others have said. You know, as you know, we, along with New Zealand, only two countries in the world, in the world, for all of you listening, all of the other countries, the, you know… 100 plus other countries that are out there that have television, media and so on. We are the only two countries that allow drug ads, Dr. Kelly. Do you see RFK Jr. and now the Trump administration controlling House and Senate being able to pass a law, which I’m not a big law guy, but this one I would be in. I’d be very much in favor of getting rid of those dang ads.
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Well, I’ve spoken about this specifically with Robert Kennedy Jr. And yes, I know that he agrees. with you and with me that we have got to eliminate television advertising for pharmaceutical companies uh there’s a reason why all of the other countries in the world with the exception of us and new zealand don’t allow them and to be very clear the reason pharmaceutical companies advertise on tv Isn’t because they think for their millions, you know, they’ll sell an extra dose or two of Ozempic. They do it so that they can control the media. They do it because they are the big advertiser. They give the money. Thank you. Then the people on the shows, the you know, the it’s the power of the purse, right? Anger. Correct. And so Robert Ailes, excuse me, Roger Ailes, the former CEO of Fox News, said previously that he wanted to eliminate pharmaceutical advertising on Fox News, but he couldn’t afford to do it because they represented 70% of the advertising dollars for Fox News. I mean, that speaks, but there’s also a reason why for the duration of the pandemic, you didn’t hear any of their hosts I thought, you know, certainly on MSNBC, CNN or elsewhere, but also on Fox saying anything vaguely critical about the vaccines, for example. They won’t do it and they can’t. They’re told not to because of the big advertising dollars. They don’t want to lose that. So if you eliminate that, you eliminate the control. that the pharmaceutical companies have over the media. And we can begin to get back to honesty and integrity and allowing the American public to get access to the real data, the actual facts about any particular product.
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I again, you know, my feelings on this. I think that would be a very bold move on the part of this administration. I think it would set the tone for a lot of things moving forward. And, you know, as well as I that, you know, would this be a guarantee that on down the road, this would never come back? I mean, I get it. You could relobby, get a new administration in and so on. Although, Dr. Kelly, I think Donald Trump, this is when to get your opinion on this. You get enough things done. And no, folks, it’s not four years. It’s two because you’re only you potentially if you don’t do things correctly in the first two, you may not have the second two because of the way the shift in the House can work. Dr. Kelly, as you know, and traditionally speaking, there is a shift in that midterm election against you as a president, not the other way around. Although, if you get in there and really do some of the things even that you and I are talking about where you eliminate some of these paybacks that some of these employees are getting and give that money back to the general populace – and by the way, that could be something that Elon Musk and Vivek Ramaswamy work on, by the way, when you talk about government efficiency and doing something with those dollars. I mean, reality is you get in there, really clean some things up. get some things handled, eliminate some of the stuff that you and I just talked about in regards to drug ads and others, and really clean things up, you have a pretty good chance of probably keeping your midterm election strong in your favor.
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I agree with you. And some of these things are very difficult and will take a long time. You know, ridding out the bad actors in an agency can take some time. That’s a counter-distinction, John, doing something like repealing the National Childhood Vaccine Injury Act that was passed in 1986, the law that Congress passed that gives blanket liability protection, blanket immunity to the pharmaceutical manufacturers, those people who make vaccines. Repealing that could happen with a stroke of a pen. Putting the pharmaceutical companies on notice that from this point, This point forward, if there’s a bad event from somebody who takes your shot, you are liable. You can be held liable in a criminal case. You can be liable financially, blah, blah, blah. I guarantee that those sorts of things that could be done quickly will absolutely, I think, garner tremendous support for Donald Trump and for his new administration because people are really hungry for that.
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What else do you feel? We’ve got about five minutes or so left where then I have to let you go. This hour just screams by for all of you listening. Again, we’ve been doing this for four-plus years, and it just rolls by so quickly, Dr. Kelly. I learn something new every single week. But when it comes to this particular office, HHS, RFK Jr., you know him as well as probably anybody I’ve ever talked to. What are some of the other things that you feel are a big deal to him he’s going to want to accomplish pretty quickly?
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I think, again, with regard to pharmaceutical companies, I think he will disarticulate, eliminate, end, one way or another, the contributions that those companies make to the medical journals. Because right now our medical journals are absolutely not to be trusted. I don’t care if it’s JAMA, Lancet, New England Journal. What they are publishing is nothing more than the marketing for big pharma. We cannot trust the studies. because big pharma is paying for them. Robert Kennedy would attack that. He would attack the fact that the pharmaceutical companies are supporting our scientific labs, quote unquote, so that whatever the research is that’s getting pumped out of Harvard, Stanford, Yale, Duke, whatever it is, we can’t trust it. We need to be able to trust it. And the only way that happens is if the pharmaceutical companies aren’t involved. He would address that. I think bringing back, we’ve got to, believe it or not, you wouldn’t know it after these four years, medicine actually has a code of ethics. Code of Ethics that has four pillars, the first of which is autonomy. The first pillar is autonomy, which starts with the ability for you to make every decision regarding what you do or don’t do for yourself medically. So the end of mandates, I think you will really address the idea that we cannot ever allow people to be mandated to participate in a medical procedure or to take a therapeutically or drug of any sort. These are the sorts of things that I think Robert Kennedy will do. Hand in hand with that is informed consent. I think we can never allow, and I know that Bobby agrees, we can never allow what happened with regard to the lack of informed consent during COVID to happen again. That is something that resulted in tremendous harms. So we’ve got to get back to our basics, back to the four pillars of medical ethics, And I think that Robert Kennedy Jr. is the perfect person to lead that charge.
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I think, and this is something everybody has to realize, you take what he’s going to do with HHS, and then you throw, again, that other office that I was just talking about, DOGE, Department of Government Efficiency, you take those two guys working alongside him on some of the very things that you just talked about a moment ago. I tell you what, if personally, Dr. Kelly, yeah, there’s a lot of things in government we should look at, Department of Education, et cetera. I mean, we can go down the list. But everything you just said, if I were those three guys, along with Donald Trump, there is a plethora of things you could work on right out of the chute and start cleaning things up and save budgetary money right off the top.
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Oh, my gosh. They should eliminate. I see absolutely zero rationale for having a federal Department of Education.
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Correct.
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The Department of Education was founded in 1979. I graduated from high school before we had a Department of Education, and I somehow managed to do pretty darn well. Since we’ve had a Department of Education, high school graduation rates are in the gutter. We score way down the totem pole in terms of where we stand against other countries, including our foes like China. So eliminate that. Send those monies back to the state. Each state can decide what they need to do in their state. What they need in Mississippi is different from what they need in Ohio. They can figure it out. That’s what states are for. Get rid of it. You would eliminate so much waste and fraud right there. The IRS, same thing. All of those 80,000 additional people who were hired.
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Put them on the border, somebody said the other day here on air, Dr. Kelly. To me, you know what, you signed up to carry a gun for the IRS, you can go to the border with one.
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Exactly. Exactly. You know, put them to work. Right. What they’re doing right now is doing nothing more than hassling taxpaying American citizens, from what I can tell. You know, so there’s so many things where very, very quickly we could unwind some of the waste and fraud. Absolutely. And I certainly am hoping that that happens. It’s an exciting time. It’s also a treacherous time. Keep your eyes open.
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Honestly, Dr. Kelly, you have about 18 months to really do the things necessary before a lot of these congressmen will have to run for reelection and or even new elections to take over additional seats, which, again, if you do this correctly, you could have a majority, a real good majority in the House if you do this right and really show people, hey, we are out for you, the American people, not big pharma, not big insurance and not big government.
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No, no, no question. There’s a tremendous amount that can happen. It’s all very positive. I think that people need to keep their eyes open. However, particularly between now and the inauguration there, the Democrats are not happy about that. Many of them are scared to death about the concept, for example, of a Matt Gaetz election. sitting in the office of the Attorney General because he’s going to pull no punches. Having people like Pete Hegseth in place, these people mean business, and the Democrats aren’t happy about it. And we’ve seen from the past that they will stop at nothing to try to bring Donald Trump down. So I pray every night for the safety of Donald Trump, for those around him, for cooler heads to prevail during all of this. And for there to be an actual peaceful transition of power, we need to get through January without any major meltdowns. And then I think we’re on the road to some very, very good times for this country.
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Amen. I cannot disagree with any of that. Again, all of you listening, Dr. Kelly Victory, you can find everything about her. We’ve got an entire page dedicated on our website, RushToReason.com. You can find her there. And for the questions, by the way, there’s a lot of times where, especially as we go through the holidays, there may be, for example, Thanksgiving Day, where you might even be listening to us on Thanksgiving Day in this very program. Not sure exactly how I’m going to do all of that. But if you are and you still have questions, please text me. I’ll do my best to get those answered, even on the weeks where we don’t happen to be here because of the holidays. Again, 307-200-8222. But, Dr. Kelly, I will let you go. I know you have another commitment. Thank you so much for what you’ve done for us over the last four-plus years. I was telling somebody before coming on air today, it’s an honor to know you. We are very thankful to have the partnership with you that we have.
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Well, thank you for allowing me the platform, John. I think it has been really meaningful and impactful. And in the meantime, have a blessed and delicious and restful Thanksgiving holiday. I hope that it’s great. And we will talk, I guess, the week after. That’s right. Two weeks after. That’s right. That’s right. Dr. Kelly, again, thank you.
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All right, appreciate you all listening. And one other thing I should add is, yes, you can always text us a question even when Dr. Kelly isn’t on air with us, and I’ll do my best to get that answered from her directly. And for really in-depth questions, frankly, email me. It’s much easier for me to do things with an email than it is text messaging, as you all know because you text back and forth anyways. It’s much easier for me to even keep track of an email than it is a text message. You can always go to the website, RushToReason.com. Just go to the Contact Us link, click that, fill it out. That goes directly to me, and I will read that and then pass along or find out whatever info you might need, and I do that as quickly as I possibly can. Just remember around the holidays that everybody has some time off and does things, including Dr. Kelly, so it may take a little bit of time to get back to you. But if you have a really long, in-depth question, please go to the website, send me an email instead, or you can do it directly. Just email John, J-O-H-N, at… RushToReason.com. And it’s T-O, not the number two, John at RushToReason.com. All right, that’s it for today, for this hour. We’ll be back. Don’t go anywhere. This is Rush To Reason, Denver’s Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560.
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Thank you.
