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Join us as John Rush, with guest host Andy Pate and Tanner Cole, delve into the shifting political winds among America’s youth. They explore the factors driving an increasing number of young voters to the right, including the aftereffects of COVID-19 restrictions and the lure of politically incorrect coolness. Touching on major incidents, such as the controversy involving a Denver Broncos’ coach, they provide a backdrop to understand broader societal dynamics. It’s an engaging discussion that goes beyond headlines to capture the pulse of a country in transition.
SPEAKER 15 :
This is Rush to Reason.
SPEAKER 14 :
You are going to shut your damn yapper and listen for a change because I got you pegged, sweetheart. You want to take the easy way out because you’re scared. And you’re scared because if you try and fail, there’s only you to blame. Let me break this down for you. Life is scary. Get used to it. There are no magical fixes.
SPEAKER 18 :
With your host, John Rush.
SPEAKER 14 :
My advice to you is to do what your parents did.
SPEAKER 15 :
Get a job first. You haven’t made everybody equal. You’ve made them the same, and there’s a big difference.
SPEAKER 01 :
Let me tell you why you’re here. You’re here because you know something. What you know you can’t explain, but you feel it. You’ve felt it your entire life, that there’s something wrong with the world. You don’t know what it is, but it’s there. It is this feeling that has brought you to me.
SPEAKER 11 :
Are you crazy? Am I? Or am I so sane that you just blew your mind?
SPEAKER 03 :
It’s Rush to Reason with your host, John Rush.
SPEAKER 16 :
Filling in is Andy Pate, party of choice. And I am your host, Andy Pate, filling in for John Rush, and I am joined today by Tanner Cole. That’s right, too much man for all the women to handle. How’s that feel, by the way? Is that a lot of pressure?
SPEAKER 13 :
It’s pretty inspiring, but my facial hair tickles me a lot. So it’s a tough life.
SPEAKER 16 :
I’ve noticed, how do you like your growing this little beard?
SPEAKER 13 :
I usually try to, well, when it gets cold here, granted that’s turned around, I grow my hair out and grow my facial hair out so I can stay warm. But it’s 65 or 70 today, so I’m a little hot.
SPEAKER 16 :
Is this like a lifestyle change? Are you going to live in the wild?
SPEAKER 13 :
Maybe I’m going to start growing my own fruits and vegetables. Yeah, hunter-gatherer.
SPEAKER 16 :
Are you going to hunt elk with your bare hands?
SPEAKER 13 :
Yeah, I’ll track them down. I can run a 4-4-40. Oh, yeah.
SPEAKER 16 :
Good luck with that. Okay, speaking of football, 4-4-40s, right? The Philadelphia Eagles. Okay, the Eagles have come out and they have said, yes, if the president invites us to the White House, we will go to the White House. I guarantee you he will invite them to the White House. So the Eagles are going to see Trump at some time in the near future. What do you think?
SPEAKER 13 :
If any of those players didn’t like him or were kind of uneasy about him, I guarantee they will like him after meeting him.
SPEAKER 16 :
Well, I agree, although I do believe that there are always a number who abstain.
SPEAKER 13 :
Right.
SPEAKER 16 :
There are always a number who, and they concoct this or that excuse, but it’s usually because of politics. And it’s gone the other way, too. There were Republicans who did not want to go see Biden or Obama. That’s just part of the game. Look, folks, it’s part of life. We all get very passionate about our politics. I respect that. But I think that the Eagles and Trump should get along famously. You know why? Because both of them know what it’s like to clobber a grossly overmatched opponent. Okay? I mean, seriously. Didn’t I say for two weeks leading up to the Super Bowl, the Chiefs do not belong in this game? I said for two weeks. You remember.
SPEAKER 13 :
Yeah, the only chance they had of winning that is the Eagles making mistakes and maybe the refs playing a hand in it.
SPEAKER 16 :
Exactly. That’s what I said. The only team that could beat the Eagles in this game was the Eagles. And by the way, they tried. They made some bad decisions in this game, but nothing was going to be enough. There was no comparison between the teams. And this is like the presidential election. When I was watching the Eagles play, and you were watching the Eagles just destroy… The Chiefs. Right out of the gate. The difference was just sick. Right. Okay. And it was almost like watching, you know, sack, sack, touchdown, touchdown, interception, sack, touchdown. It was almost like election night watching, okay, North Carolina, Georgia, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, Michigan, Nevada, Arizona. Bam, bam, bam, bam, bam, bam, bam. And you’re just saying… This is ridiculous. And in the aftermath, you step back and you say, why did anyone ever think the Chiefs could win? And you step back and think, why did anyone ever think Kamala could be president? When you watch Kamala, even now, she just got a participation award at some ludicrous thing. You know, you’re so wonderful, you’re so wonderful. She’s a joke. And even there, she made a speech that was more word salad. And you’re just like, my gosh. NAACP award. Okay, thank you, Charlie. And even then, you’re watching this and you’re thinking, my gosh, this could have been leading us right now. And she would have been leading us totally in the most corrupt fashion imaginable. Instead, we have a crusader who every day… The game has not ended for him. He is still like the Eagles. Trump is still like the Eagles. It’s bam, bam, bam, bam, bam, relentless. And he is going after all the corruption everywhere, all of it right now. Why? Because he’s PO’d. They invaded his home in Mar-a-Lago. They shot at him. They, you know, they lied about him connecting him to Russia with the Russia hoax. They had 51 members of the CIA. Was it, were they all members? I’m not sure, but 51 Intel people sign a totally lying letter saying that the Hunter Biden laptop was, that story was fake when they knew it wasn’t. They had the Intel. They knew they were lying. I can’t believe any of those people are still walking around amongst us today. This is, to me, a perfect matching of team and president.
SPEAKER 13 :
I think so, especially with what happened with the Eagles last year, completely falling apart, end of the season, then getting destroyed by the Buccaneers in the wildcard game. Yeah. This was their comeback, just like Donald.
SPEAKER 16 :
This was their comeback, just like Donald. And next year, I think, look, I said for the last few months, there was no team in the AFC that belonged in the Super Bowl. And I didn’t think Kansas City was even the best team in the AFC. I think the refs gave them a little help getting them there. And then they just got slaughtered. I don’t think they’re – at least going into next year, there’s no team in the AFC that belongs in the Super Bowl next year either, at least the way it looks right now. You never know if the NFC could get all – if their team could get all banged up going into the Super Bowl maybe. You never know. It’s too far away. But at least right now, it doesn’t look good. I’m just saying. Okay, now for somebody else for whom it doesn’t look good, and I don’t know if everybody’s heard about this story, but the linebackers coach for the Denver Broncos. Have you heard about this?
SPEAKER 13 :
Yes, sir.
SPEAKER 16 :
Okay, Michael Wilhite, and he’s the linebackers coach for the Denver Broncos, had a real incident. He’s in legal trouble from an incident over the weekend at DIA. Okay. Now, the Broncos have issued a statement just saying we’re looking into it, you know, and that’s that’s good. I like it. I don’t like these teams that rush to judgment.
SPEAKER 13 :
Right.
SPEAKER 16 :
OK, but I will say it does look bad. And this is in an area that’s got tons of surveillance. So this will probably be resolved pretty quickly one way or the other. So, everything I’m going to say is allegedly. Here’s what supposedly happened. According to reports, the incident unfolded after Will Hoyt, he dropped someone off at the airport. You know that drop-off area. And a Denver police officer stationed at the curbside area noticed Will Hoyt’s gray 2021 Ford Bronco. Appropriate. Parked unattended in the second lane of the departure zone. Now, you know what it’s like. A lot of people will swing into the second lane because that’s as close as you can get, but you can’t leave it unattended. You can’t just leave it there because they don’t know if somebody’s just going to leave it there for an hour.
SPEAKER 13 :
Right. You can even get out of your car and unload luggage, but…
SPEAKER 16 :
Right. And people, by the way, do that. They’ll try and leave their car for a long time. You can’t do that. People are trying to swing and swing out. So the cop is in the right. He’s saying, look, we can’t have that anyway. Here is what supposedly happened. He informed him, hey, that’s not allowed. And Will Hoyt responded allegedly to the officer’s warning by saying, shut the blank up. And after being reminded again, he again doubled down and said, shut the blank up. There was pushing, there was shoving, and then Wilhoyt apparently slugged the cop. At least that’s what it’s saying, knocking him to the ground. Okay? Keep in mind, Wilhoyt, big guy. Oh, yeah. Yeah, okay. Well, the police say Wilhoyt attempted to leave the scene by getting into his car, at which point the officer deployed his taser. Despite the shock, Wilhoyt managed to shut his car door, drive away. He was later taken into custody and booked at the detention center. Okay. Once again, this is all allegedly, but that is a highly surveilled area. Don’t you think it’s going to be resolved pretty quick? I mean, I don’t know about the words that they said, but, you know, what was done. If you slug a cop, you’re no longer a coach for the Denver Broncos.
SPEAKER 13 :
Yeah, you might not be able to get a high school job. Right. I mean, he might have just ended his career.
SPEAKER 16 :
Yeah, I mean, if you really did that, it’s one thing to get a little belligerent. I mean, you know, it can happen.
SPEAKER 13 :
Right, an exchange of words or something. You can get frustrated. We’ve all seen that.
SPEAKER 16 :
Yeah, yeah. And by the way, I’ve dealt with some cops who were rude, okay? But most cops I’ve dealt with were great, very nice. You know, they very nicely gave me tickets. It’s happened. I haven’t had a ticket in quite a while. But this is something where you’re really crossing a line. If you slug a cop… Look, let’s put it this way. If you, Tanner, were to slug a cop, how would your job be looking here at the old KLZ?
SPEAKER 13 :
I’d be on the next train to unemployment.
SPEAKER 16 :
Yes, you would. And I think Mr. Will Hoyt could be looking at the same thing. But once again, I’m not going to draw any final conclusions. I don’t know. I wasn’t there.
SPEAKER 13 :
We still live in a sanctuary city, so you never know what might happen. Unfortunately, it was a Chargers linebacker coach for a year or two.
SPEAKER 16 :
Was he?
SPEAKER 13 :
Yeah.
SPEAKER 16 :
And that’s your team.
SPEAKER 13 :
Yeah, so it hits a little closer to home as well. But, I mean, the sense of entitlement, I mean, it’s not like this guy’s even the head coach or an offensive coordinator at GM. He’s a linebacker’s coach, which is great. But, I mean, the fact that you think punching a cop is something smart to do in a heavily camera-zoned, a lot of people coming in and out, I mean, there could have been 100 witnesses.
SPEAKER 16 :
Well, yeah, and it’s not like you’re, I don’t know, getting out of a flight and maybe you’ve had a few too many of those little drinks and whatever. I mean, you’re dropping somebody off. So, you know, you’re probably not drunk at all. Right. You know, I just, I don’t know. But anyway, that’s the news. So, first of all, Philly, yeah, they’re going to go to the White House. And you know what? I hope they do. I hope Trump, you know, they run the lights and make it all green, you know, with eagle signs and all this kind of stuff. Go all in.
SPEAKER 13 :
Yeah, I agree.
SPEAKER 16 :
And they should get Jesse Waters from Fox News. He’s a huge Eagles fan. They should have him there, too.
SPEAKER 13 :
That’d be fun.
SPEAKER 16 :
Yeah, just go all in. And maybe, by the way, maybe get somebody from the left who’s a big Eagles fan. Get them there, too. You know what I mean? Go all in. Have it be fun.
SPEAKER 13 :
I wonder if the owner is going to show up, Jeffrey Lurie. Yeah, because he’s criticized Trump before. So I wonder if he’s going to go. I don’t know if owners go to that, but I would assume so.
SPEAKER 16 :
A lot of times they do. Boy, I don’t know. We’ll see. Okay, really quick here. Before we go to break, I want to talk about an issue. And this came up in Town Hall Magazine, and I thought it was very interesting. And the question is, is this what caused young people to move to the right? And they show this graph, and it’s a really shocking graph. And it shows that people who are 19 to 29, young adults, moved over the last four years, five years, they moved about the same, maybe strayed a little away from the right. People who are 30 and over, in 30 to 50, I think it was, 30 to 40, stayed about even. But high school students, 15 to 18 years old, went from being, I think, 20% who would support the right up to almost 50% who would support the right. You should see this graph. It’s just like, zoom! It just goes through the roof. And what they’re saying is the biggest reason that they found, because they questioned a lot of these kids, they polled them, was COVID. And it was the incredible restrictions that were placed on them in schools, by schools, and schools even tossing them out due to COVID. What do you think? How old are you?
SPEAKER 1 :
26.
SPEAKER 16 :
You’re 26, so you’re close to that.
SPEAKER 13 :
I kind of went through it in college a little. They told us we could all go back to school, and then a couple weeks later we all got to go back home. And I think a lot of kids were just, I mean, they didn’t get any education because we all know those Zoom classes didn’t teach anyone anything.
SPEAKER 16 :
They weren’t very effective. I never took one. So the Zoom courses I’ve always heard were not very effective.
SPEAKER 13 :
You can turn your camera off. You don’t have to listen. I mean, some people even created like these fake little cutouts of themselves, put them in a chair and then just let the whole lecture go and they would be playing video games, doing whatever. So I think and then all the things that came out about or have come out about COVID, I mean. Got released from a lab. Fauci’s emails say one thing when he says another. I mean, these kids are just, you know, getting or midway through puberty, getting into puberty. And they’re realizing that I’m being lied to like my parents might lie to me. Exactly. They can see through these lies because they haven’t been brainwashed yet.
SPEAKER 16 :
They were all told, hey, and we were all told, right? But they were all told, and I think it really affected their lives even more than ours because, you know, I wasn’t in high school. I wasn’t thrown out of my school and told to learn at home. They were being told, hey, this shot will keep you from spreading COVID, okay? And we can debate, you know, until the cows come home, is the shot damaging to you? I believe it is. I think it’s damaging to a lot of your body. But setting that aside… There’s no question it doesn’t help stop the spread. OK, COVID rampaged through the vaccinated community. Everybody knows that it didn’t work. What does that mean? That means that you were just as safe around an unvaccinated person the whole time. And people forget this. They don’t. If you take yourself mentally, folks, put yourself back just a few years and think about it. People were afraid to be around unvaccinated people. It was crazy. They were afraid to be around unmasked people. OK, they were afraid to be around these people and they treated them. And I was one of them. OK, because I’m on. I was on mass and unvaccinated. OK, I was masked when I had to be for a certain place. But. They were treated like lepers. They were treated in a way. And then in the aftermath, everybody can see. There’s no doubt about it because there’s no ifs, ands, or buts. You were just as safe around them the entire time. You were wrong. Okay. And so here the schools were telling them this. Everybody gets pretty angry. There are people at all ages who are pretty angry in the aftermath of this. But young people take it differently. Mm-hmm. When you lie to a young person and they find out you were lying to them, that, wait a minute, I could have been in school the whole time, and we would have just, wait a minute, people my age would have simply caught COVID like it’s a cold because it was virtually no threat to us. Wait a minute, this shot that you were punishing people for, and gee, maybe I had a teacher who was fired because they wouldn’t get it, that shot… you treated us like two classes of citizens if we got it or didn’t that shot made no difference and everybody you lied to us and you told us those people are unsafe to be around right or as uh polis called them selfish bastards okay wear your mask or you’re a selfish bastard get your shot or you’re a selfish bastard young people when they snap And when they rebel, it’s not like a 30 year old.
SPEAKER 13 :
Right.
SPEAKER 16 :
Go ahead.
SPEAKER 13 :
It’s an acne filled rage. Yes. Young people don’t like being lied to, especially by their school. And I mean, some of these people’s lives may have been altered for the worse. I mean, you’re out of school for two years. all that uh i mean the growth and just social activities your brain developing what you’re trying to learn and going to college for and then you i mean the classroom’s a complete joke the teachers are just as disheveled as some of some of the students because some of them are so uh left driven that they can’t even teach a class correctly and are spouting off in class now but
SPEAKER 16 :
I agree, but you know what? I’m going to do one other thing, though. I think there’s one other reason that Trump appeals to the young people and the other side didn’t. He’s cool and they’re weird. He’s very cool. What I mean is this. Obviously, Kamala, Biden, Kamala’s VP, they had absolutely no charisma, obviously. They’re not cool in any way, shape, or form, and Trump is. Everybody’s doing his dance, for crying out loud. Also, I think that a lot of young people are into MMA.
SPEAKER 13 :
And so is Trump.
SPEAKER 16 :
Right. And he’s a hero in that crowd. And I just think that things change because the culture matches his personality.
SPEAKER 1 :
100%.
SPEAKER 16 :
And the culture does not match the Democrats’ personality. And it’s not just that they’re woke and the culture is sick of woke. I mean… They’re boring. They are boring. They want to put a million rules on your life. You got to talk this way. You have to say these words. You got to use these pronouns. You got to drive this car or drive that car or don’t drive a car. You got to ride your bike. You got to do this. You got to do that. And they do all this stuff. And young people are looking at them saying, you know what? You’re saying if I don’t do all this, I’m ruining the world. But what have you done?
SPEAKER 13 :
Right.
SPEAKER 16 :
And meanwhile, Trump says, you know what? I want you to live your life. I trust you. As for the science stuff, we’ll keep an eye on.
SPEAKER 13 :
Well, a bunch of these high school kids ended up voting for the first time. Yes. And if they want to make a good decision, what they think is good policies and, you know, good character in the person, they want to be able to see it laid out for them. This is what Trump’s going to do. This is what Biden slash Harris are going to do. And when you look at Biden slash Harris, everything went to dog poop. And then Harris ran on the concept of joy was her only policy. Right. And anti-Trump rhetoric.
SPEAKER 16 :
Right. And that’s another thing. When your only product that you’re selling is hate Trump, that’s not a product. That’s an anti-product. Okay. What do you actually have to sell? Oh, nothing but failure?
SPEAKER 15 :
Mm-hmm.
SPEAKER 16 :
I think the fact that Trump, you know, did he get half of young voters? No, but he got close. I mean, it was an incredible surge amongst young voters who voted for Trump. And that does not bode well for the left.
SPEAKER 13 :
Plus all these kids, maybe they don’t go to college, but in college they have to start spending their own money now, or at least the money their parents might give them. And them seeing how high prices are, them seeing the rhetoric that’s been changed in college. I even went through it where I got to call people, they, them in class, even though I don’t believe in it.
SPEAKER 16 :
i mean it just kept everything these kids grew up learning all of a sudden has changed yeah well that’s just it when you’re around a right winger they don’t tell you what pronoun to use they say call me call me andy yeah call me melissa call me whoever call me whatever and he her is fine because that’s natural and whatever you want to call me just call me but when you’re around a leftist suddenly you got to walk through a minefield of words and i think young people got sick of it i think young People looked and said, you know what? Number one, I don’t want to walk through a minefield. Number two, you guys lied your tails off to us during COVID, and you shut down our schools and wrecked our education for a couple years. Screw you. And that’s it. Okay, let’s go to break. When we come back, I want to talk a little bit about homelessness. Sound good?
SPEAKER 13 :
Perfect.
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God. Country. Reason. Now back to John Rush.
SPEAKER 16 :
And welcome back to Rush to Reason, Denver’s Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560, Andy Pate filling in for John Rush along with Tanner Cole. Man. Okay, Tanner, there’s another article. We’ll do this one real quick here because it’s pretty interesting. It’s in, once again, Town Hall. I go there quite a bit. And it says, end homelessness by making it illegal. OK, and it’s pretty interesting. It says, according to Google’s AI overview, approximately 653,000 are experiencing homelessness. But that was in 2023 and it’s up since then. So he says, look, we try to offer all these things to try to accommodate, accommodate, accommodate. We just let them, you know, we let the encampments go. We let them let them beg on the corners and so forth. And he’s saying, look, when you accommodate, you have more. Period.
SPEAKER 13 :
Agreed.
SPEAKER 16 :
And especially when you’ve got to understand these people are out of control to begin with. Most of them are, you know, a lot of them have serious mental issues. A lot of them are on drugs or they may have simply given up on life. Right. And he says, look, you have to make it illegal. And just a sec here. Scott Moreland is the writer. Pretty good writer. And I agree. I think he makes a point, and I wanted to ask what you think, because what would you do with the homeless? And really quick, his idea is basically this. You have different places. We need asylums, he said. If they are absolutely insane, they need to be in an asylum. If they are absolutely criminal, of course they need to be in jail. Right. If they are on drugs, they need to be in a rehab facility to help them through. If they are none of those things, then they need to be, yes, we can house them, but only in transitional housing where they are given skills and gotten back on their feet. But it’s got to be strictly transitional. If you make it just, oh, we’re going to buy out tons of apartment complexes and whatever and hotels and just fill them with the homeless, he says, all you become is a magnet for the homeless. And even small towns, he said, have been overrun when they tried this. They didn’t understand. They wanted to do the right thing. But the word gets out quickly. And suddenly you have a lot of homeless who are coming their way for the freebies. Right. What do you think? What would you do?
SPEAKER 13 :
Well, I lived two years ago just on Broadway in Evans, a block off of it. There was an affordable housing area there. Still had to pay for it. But just because that was there, the flocks of homelessness tripled just because they knew they could maybe get in there. So, I mean, I agree that the more you accommodate them. the easier it is for them to survive. But I totally agree. I think we should put them in rehab facilities, asylums, and then the others that just kind of gave up or rather not, you know, have to pay taxes or be a part of society. I don’t really know what you do with those people other than like you said, the transitional housing.
SPEAKER 16 :
No, I agree. And one second, take a step back here. And by the way, folks, if anybody wants to weigh in, 303-477-5600. We’re going to be talking about education in the next segment. But if you want to call in and talk about this homeless thing, feel free. Get back to affordable housing for a moment here. And I know that’s not homeless. That’s affordable housing. Let me be mean for a moment. Okay, because when you have a lot of affordable housing and people think, oh, Andy, you’re mean to the poor. No, no, no, I don’t care. I’m all for us giving people a hand up. You know, not a handout, a hand up. You know, help them get back on their feet and so forth. But I believe that anybody who gets affordable housing… The state needs to needs to go and check up on them regularly and see, you know, for instance, if they have a lawn, is it being well taken care of? OK, people who get affordable housing or get help, get some kind of aid or if they are renters even in an area because they don’t own land. I think they need to be checked on constantly. They should not be allowed to lower the value of the homes around them. It is one thing to ask people to pay their taxes to help people out in this way. I understand. Give them a hand up, not a hand out. But they should not be allowed to lower the value or the safety of the homes and areas and neighborhoods around them. I believe that they should be constantly monitored by the state. And yes, if you have multiple violations, if you do not keep up your property, or your apartment if we check on in in your apartment and it’s a disaster and all we smell is weed smoke coming out of there you know i don’t really care if somebody smokes weed but i’m talking it’s a disaster you know right okay if you’re a disaster if you’re a bad neighbor then you should not have your housing subsidized in any way what do you think
SPEAKER 13 :
I agree. The unfortunate thing is in 2024, it said there is 18,700 people in Colorado experiencing homelessness. 2023 is 14,400. So the fact that it went up almost 3,500, that’s just what they say. Also, one thing I want to bring up, we brought in all these illegal immigrants and housed them in places where actual American citizens were living. Like in New York, we saw a bunch of that.
SPEAKER 16 :
Which, by the way, drives up the price of housing.
SPEAKER 13 :
Right.
SPEAKER 16 :
Because they get a lot of freebies that help them buy the houses that you are trying to buy with your normal American paycheck and taxes. Go ahead.
SPEAKER 13 :
Well, and then we’re putting Americans on the street. I would love to see the numbers on how many Americans are just on the street because they got kicked out for illegal immigrants. That’d be a fun number to find out. However, the fact that so many people granted rent went up, grocery prices went up, everything went up. But the fact that so many people have just kind of become hopeless in a sense and just resort to drugs or I mean, they probably didn’t become insane out of nowhere. But the fact that our streets are flooded, I mean, you go down any street in Denver and you see homeless people.
SPEAKER 16 :
Well, yeah, we see it. Let me ask you this. By accommodating them, are we actually being nice to them?
SPEAKER 13 :
I think two nights maybe.
SPEAKER 16 :
Are we helping them? Because I think we’re helping them get worse.
SPEAKER 13 :
I think so too. I think if we actually set up a program, I don’t want to say similar to the VA, but giving them resources where they can go get treatment for a couple months or so and then maybe transitional housing after that, then finding a job.
SPEAKER 16 :
Right. But it’s mandated. The whole program is mandated. And if you choose not to, if you choose not to do it, you go to jail. I agree. Okay. And by the way, if you are one of these people who are panhandling out there, I think that should be, I’m sorry, but I think you should go to prison. If you will not stop, then you got to go to jail. I think it should be illegal. You shouldn’t be allowed to panhandle. okay you shouldn’t be allowed to do that why because that is bad for the businesses that you’re in front of or it’s also it can be look it’s not good right okay we shouldn’t have that because a lot and a lot of them are scammers anyway right well and you see what’s happened san francisco like 70 those downtown businesses have left and then the ones that are still there are begging the newsome and the san francisco mayor to help them out because they can’t survive anymore say denver’s do That’s what I was going to say. Forget San Francisco. Obviously, San Francisco is lost.
SPEAKER 13 :
Right. It’s gone.
SPEAKER 16 :
Because I’m not sure if San Francisco in the entire city, if you add it all together… has a 100 intellect. Okay, I’m sorry, but that is a dumb city, the way they’re run. It is dumb.
SPEAKER 13 :
All of the West Coast, unfortunately, is gone.
SPEAKER 16 :
Everything they do is a disaster. And this is why, by the way, Trump is right when he says, yeah, we’re going to help you guys out, you know, the fires and so forth, but you’ve got to fix some of the stuff. We’re not going to help you out so you can just plow yourself back into the same problem. You’re going to have to have water. You’re going to have to gather it. You’re going to have to, you know, fund your your fire stations. You’re going to have to get things in place. You’re going to have to do proper forestry. OK, now let’s look at something like San Fran. You want federal funds. Clean up your act.
SPEAKER 01 :
OK.
SPEAKER 16 :
And if you look at Denver, OK, with what they’re allowing down there, they’re wrecking businesses, businesses that, you know, These restaurants that are along there, they pay a lot. Oh, yeah. They pay a lot per square foot to have the restaurants there. And guess what? When you go to restaurants downtown now, just go down there and just get a big salad and tell me what it costs now.
SPEAKER 13 :
Oh, yeah.
SPEAKER 16 :
Now, a lot of that we understand is because of Bidenflation and food costs. But you know what a lot of it is? They are having to pay a lot. Why? Because it’s expensive to be down there. And also, you just need to pay a lot down there to police the area.
SPEAKER 13 :
And no family or no parents are bringing their family down there because of the what ifs. I mean, it’s basically, you know, Bruce Wayne, his parents getting killed in the Allen. Right. I mean, that could happen. It seems like at any point down there.
SPEAKER 16 :
OK, well, the answer is really simple. I agree with this guy, Scott Moreland. I applaud you, sir. You’re right. It is very simple. These people who have severe mental issues need to be put into an asylum where they can either be cared for or hopefully cleaned up, fixed. If it’s a drug issue, they’ve got to be in rehab. If it’s a crime issue, they’ve got to be in prison. Look, and if they won’t go into those things, then they go to prison anyway. Right. homelessness should be illegal in america why because you know what i live out in the suburbs i don’t have to deal with it that’s not fair they have to deal with it downtown no good business down there when they are paying all this money per square foot for their rent should have to put up with homeless people outside their doors it’s not right it’s not fair and everybody who wants to go down on a saturday night down in denver should be able to do it and not worry about that And by the way, I’m not being mean to the homeless. I’m saying I want my tax dollars going to help them get back on their feet.
SPEAKER 13 :
Agreed.
SPEAKER 16 :
But it’s got to be done in that way. It can’t be done at the expense of businesses. What do you say?
SPEAKER 13 :
I agree. Okay.
SPEAKER 1 :
100%.
SPEAKER 16 :
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SPEAKER 16 :
And welcome back to Rush to Reason, Denver’s afternoon rush, KLZ 560. We’ve got a couple callers on the line. We’re going to lead with John and Cheyenne. John, sir, are you homeless or does your wife let you come inside?
SPEAKER 05 :
She allows me inside once in a while, but I’ve got a good tent and backpack if she throws me out.
SPEAKER 16 :
You’re ready. You’re all prepped.
SPEAKER 05 :
Well, we do that all summer. We go backpacking, so we live like barbarians for a few days at a time. Very cool. Andy, remember, when you annoy a liberal like you were talking about, calling them her or what, you, like me, are a double protected class. You are a senior citizen veteran, just like I am. Play that card.
SPEAKER 16 :
I’ll play that card.
SPEAKER 05 :
I’m a senior citizen veteran. I feel so wronged. All the liberals play the cards. We might as well play the ones we were dealt.
SPEAKER 16 :
You know what? Every time I come in here, I’m going to tell Charlie he’s oppressing me because I’m a senior veteran veteran.
SPEAKER 05 :
Yeah. He looks guilty. He’s starting to sweat.
SPEAKER 16 :
Go ahead.
SPEAKER 05 :
So you were talking about homeless. My father told me a story. Now he was NYPD started in 1957 when he went on the job. Okay. So that’s how long ago we’re going. He retired in the mid seventies and he said there was a crime on the books that used to be called vagrancy. That if you couldn’t prove that you had a place to live and you had to have, I think he said a dollar in your pocket, You could be arrested and thrown in jail for the night for vagrancy. And then you’d have to go explain to the judge why you didn’t have anything. I bet you if somebody looked into it, and I’m not a lawyer, I bet you those laws are still on the books. They’re just not forced anymore.
SPEAKER 16 :
You know, I think knowing some jurisdictions, they’ve probably been taken off the books. But I bet in an awful lot of places they’re still on the books. And look, John, I’m not even – and Scott Moreland here who writes the article, he’s not even saying go cut right to that and just throw them all in prison. But here are the options. You can go here, you can go here, you can go here, or you go there to prison. But you’re not going to stay out there on the streets, period, end of story, done. And, I mean, is that really mean to the homeless, or is that honest to the homeless? And does that help make them a partner with the community rather than a burden?
SPEAKER 05 :
Well, and that’s where… The government fails where, back in the day, churches used to know what was going on more than the government. True. The church would know who needed a hand up and who needed a kick in the pants. You know what I mean? Right.
SPEAKER 16 :
And some of them still do. But, you know, you make such a good point. The government has stepped in so much and taken over so much of that. My gosh. A church downtown now doesn’t know when it’s crossing a line.
SPEAKER 05 :
Mm-hmm. You can’t just help people. I’m sorry. It’s not Luke. Tanner. Tanner. Thank you. This is the other man. Go ahead, John. When we first moved here, I am a huge baseball fan. I am a huge Mets fan. The Mets come to Coors Field every year, and Coors Field is a beautiful place to watch a ball game. Yeah, it is. That is a great ballpark. So we used to always figure out a way. We’d come down because what I love about the Rockies is they always have a Tuesday night or a Wednesday afternoon or a Saturday night and a Sunday game. So we’d come down, get a hotel, get a couple of meals, spend some money, go to two ballgames, and put a bunch of money in the economy. Right. Now… When I go down walking on 16th Street, it’s like walking in Times Square pre-Giuliani.
SPEAKER 16 :
Yes. Do you want to hang around and spend money? Is that good? And think about all the Johns from Cheyenne. By the way, there probably are a lot of Johns in Cheyenne. But think about all the Johns from Cheyenne who are not spending the money at those restaurants and hanging out downtown now because they don’t want to. Especially, by the way, what if you bring your kids? It’s not worth the risk. Think about families, right? What if it’s a night game? It’s a night game, John. You bring your kids. So you and your kids and maybe the wife, you got like five, six of you. Downtown, that would have been a huge bill, a bunch of money that you would have dropped to make it a special night for the kids. Gone.
SPEAKER 05 :
The last time we went down, the hotels were really expensive in downtown. So we stayed out at what they call Central Park now. Yeah. and jumped on the light rail. I grew up riding the subway, so the light rail is fine for me. To Union Station, when we came out of the ballpark, I felt like I was back in New York in the 70s. That’s how scary it was. Walking just from the ballpark over to Union Station to get on the light rail. And there were a lot of people around, but still, there was just a vibe about it that was kind of…
SPEAKER 16 :
sketchy scary i don’t know no i know what you mean you don’t ask once again what if you have kids you don’t want to endanger them right i mean right john i agree with you really quick here we got we got to run on but what what do you think is the fine do you agree with this guy’s final solution make it illegal yes but put a cop on every corner and like the old beat cops and just have them on the corner
SPEAKER 05 :
to just stop all the nonsense, and that’d clean it up, because that’s what Giuliani did to Matt. He put the cops out of the cars, back on the street, standing on the corner, where people could see him and talk to him.
SPEAKER 16 :
Which, by the way, breaks down the barriers between the cops and the community when they could just talk to people. A lot of the teenagers grow to love him. It’s like, hey, officer!
SPEAKER 13 :
Every time I go to a game, I say, thank you for your service.
SPEAKER 16 :
Yeah. Yep. John, I like it.
SPEAKER 13 :
You know, they love that.
SPEAKER 16 :
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SPEAKER 18 :
Now back to Rush to Reason on KLZ 560.
SPEAKER 16 :
And welcome back to Rush to Reason, Denver’s afternoon rush, KLZ 560. Andy Pate filling in for John Rush along with Tanner Cole. Man. That’s right, too much man for anyone to handle. On the line right now, we’ve got a new caller, Rick, from Colorado Springs. Rick, what’s on your mind?
SPEAKER 04 :
Hey, yeah, I agree with that guy. I’m a senior veteran too, but anyway. Hey, what branch? I was in the Air Force. Woo-hoo, me too. Yeah. Yeah, but I had a bit of a homelessness myself. I lived for almost seven years in my truck. Okay. And I was able to get into some housing thing. It was called Housing First. But at the time, I was trying to get my Social Security disability, and some people gave me some bad information. I tried to get that. And, you know, now you’ve got to have a lawyer, and you’ve got to go in front of a judge, and it’s a very hard, difficult thing to get it anymore. How were you able to work your way out of it? Well, basically, I joined the Mormons LDS church. A guy I knew, I met back when I came back from overseas. I worked as a contractor overseas in Kuwait from about 2005 to 2009. Came back. I hurt myself. I broke my leg. That was part of the problem. I broke my leg below my knee. That set me back. And a couple years later, I broke my wrist on a motorcycle accident I had. So I had a lot of bad, bad things. Like I said, I lost. I had a house. I lost it in 2015, and I didn’t really have anybody to help me out, but I basically, a couple of friends that I met at, like, McDonald’s, you know, like you said, one guy was a Mormon. I joined the Mormon faith, even though some of it, I don’t believe in some of it, but that’s another story. But they will help out their own kind there if you’re a Mormon. Yes, they will. I do got to say that about the Mormons. They do help you out if you’re a Mormon. So I had some of that. And then like some other, I finally was able, a friend of mine, that he allowed me to come into his house about five years ago. And I’ve been living with him. But, you know, the thing is, it’s kind of hard to get off the street if you don’t have anybody to help you out. I agree. And I have a son and everything. And he didn’t help me. But, you know, you know, you know, we have like a car springs rescue mission here. And I think Denver has one, too. And, you know, I heard a lot of people I talked to a guy one time. He said he lived there and they helped him out and go back to school and get a get a he went into being culinary. And then he said he could he could live there for another six months. They give him $5,000 to help him get his own place and get out on his own. And that’s kind of hard when you don’t have any kind of money saved up, any kind of anything to where anybody helps you on that type of thing.
SPEAKER 16 :
Yeah, you see, Rick, I’m not against giving people a kickstart like you’re talking. And also, by the way, I do like the idea of the government with us working together with the faith community, not against it. Let me ask you this really quick. You’ve got about a minute left. What do you do now for work?
SPEAKER 04 :
Well, you know, I worked in the electronics industry for almost 30 years. Wow. I got two degrees. I got an electronics degree, and I went to school. When I got back from overseas, I went to school and learned HVAC because I knew that electronics stuff was going to go away, and it wasn’t as good as it was back in the 90s and 80s and stuff.
SPEAKER 01 :
Good call.
SPEAKER 04 :
So I went into that, and then after I hurt myself and had a lot of hard time, Like I said, broke my leg, broke my wrist. A lot of that is real, you know, putting in furnaces. Are you healed?
SPEAKER 16 :
Yeah, but are you healed up now? Can you do HVAC now?
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah, well, I went back in the electronics industry. I’ve been doing that now for the last four years. So I basically, you know, after I couldn’t get on social security disability, I just started applying. I got back into the electronic industry. That’s what I’ve been doing for the last three or four years.
SPEAKER 16 :
Rick, I want to tell you something. Have you ever heard of Make America Great Again? Yes, I have. You are the great part. No, I’m serious. You are everything that America is supposed to be. Somebody who has been through the tough times and has turned his life around, never gave up. You know, yeah, you need a hand up now and then. Guess what? We all have. I have. I agree. You know, and yet you turned it around. You made yourself better. And because of you, you make America better, Rick. It’s an honor to talk to you. Thank you so much.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah, thank you for taking my call there. You bet.
SPEAKER 16 :
Rick, have a great day. Folks, that’s it for our number one. First of all, I want to thank Tanner Cole.
SPEAKER 13 :
Man.
SPEAKER 16 :
Thanks for joining me, Tanner. In our number two, we’re going to be joined by Eli Bremer, and we’re going to have a battle here, not between me and Eli, but he’s going to join me to talk about the number one issue in all of Colorado Republican politics. Leaving the open primary. Should we do it? Can we just close our primary? Let’s debate. Until then, keep it right here on Rush to Reason, KLZ 560.
