In this thought-provoking episode, Andy Pate takes over the helm, steering a conversation that navigates through pressing political issues with insightful commentary and spirited debate. With the return of John Rush on the horizon, Andy tackles Trudeau’s political downfall, the impact of governmental overreach in response to crises, and the societal pushback against authoritative regulation. Tune in for a mix of humor, analysis, and candid conversation as they seek reason in the midst of political chaos.
SPEAKER 06 :
This is Rush to Reason.
SPEAKER 18 :
You are going to shut your damn yapper and listen for a change because I got you pegged, sweetheart. You want to take the easy way out because you’re scared. And you’re scared because if you try and fail, there’s only you to blame. Let me break this down for you. Life is scary. Get used to it. There are no magical fixes.
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With your host, John Rush.
SPEAKER 06 :
My advice to you is to do what your parents did, get a job first. You haven’t made everybody equal. You’ve made them the same and there’s a big difference.
SPEAKER 01 :
Let me tell you why you’re here. You’re here because you know something. What you know you can’t explain, but you feel it. You’ve felt it your entire life, that there’s something wrong with the world. You don’t know what it is, but it’s there. It is this feeling that has brought you to me.
SPEAKER 18 :
Are you crazy? Am I? Or am I so sane that you just blew your mind?
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It’s Rush to Reason with your host, John Rush. Presented by High Five Plumbing, Heating, Cooling, and Electric, where every call ends with a high five.
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Filling in is Andy Pate, party of choice.
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And I’m your host, Andy Pate, filling in for John Rush. One more day. John is back tomorrow. Back tomorrow. All reason is coming back to Denver tomorrow. Beautiful. Have you noticed that there’s been no reason whatsoever in Denver for the last two weeks?
SPEAKER 17 :
That’s true. I was driving on the road today, and there was a lot of lack of reason on the road.
SPEAKER 07 :
Exactly, and I think there’s a real connection here because that’s how long John’s been gone. It just makes sense. So, folks, you need to be reasonable starting tomorrow. That’s how long you have. You can be unreasonable for another, what is it, about 22 hours. And then you’re going to start being reasonable again. Right here with me right now in studio is Luke Cash.
SPEAKER 17 :
Man, it’s me. Hello.
SPEAKER 07 :
That’s right. We do not have Tanner Cole, man.
SPEAKER 17 :
No, no. He’s sick. He’s sick. Because he’s weak. His bloodline is weak.
SPEAKER 07 :
Yeah, there you go.
SPEAKER 17 :
Be better.
SPEAKER 07 :
You know, let me ask you this really quick. Is it better to catch the flu early or late in the season?
SPEAKER 17 :
I’d say early in the season. Because getting sick around the holidays is a bummer.
SPEAKER 07 :
Right. So maybe Tanner’s kind of lucky. Gets it out of the way. Right. Now he’s going to be totally immune the rest of the season.
SPEAKER 17 :
We’re done with New Year’s. There’s basically no events coming up. Now’s the perfect time to get sick.
SPEAKER 07 :
Yeah. Maybe he’s faking it.
SPEAKER 17 :
Maybe.
SPEAKER 07 :
He might be faking it. Do you think he was intimidated by this much man in the room?
SPEAKER 17 :
I think so.
SPEAKER 07 :
He’s just like, I can’t be man enough.
SPEAKER 17 :
I think you’re probably on to something.
SPEAKER 07 :
Okay, let’s get into something that’s kind of national. I’m going to play this. It’s a beautiful sound. Here we go. I’ll bet you never thought you’d want to listen to Kamala Harris. Oh, no. Here we go.
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The votes for President of the United States are as follows. Donald J. Trump of the state of Florida has received 312 votes. Kamala D. Harris…
SPEAKER 07 :
Now, I’m not sure if those were Americans or Canadians that were clapping at the time.
SPEAKER 17 :
Does it matter?
SPEAKER 07 :
I don’t know. Canada seems even more excited about Trump taking office than we are.
SPEAKER 17 :
Which I’m surprised by. I know. I’ll be honest.
SPEAKER 07 :
They’re very excited. But here we go.
SPEAKER 11 :
Kamala D. Harris of the state of California has received 226 votes.
SPEAKER 07 :
Okay, and then she says, you know, Trump is president. Let me ask you a question. Sure. I know by rule, the vice president, she has to do this. If she was the candidate, don’t you think they could put a rule in that says somebody else can step up and make this announcement? Having to announce your own loss… No, I’m serious. I would say this for Republican or Democrat. Seems a bit cold to me. Am I being too sappy?
SPEAKER 17 :
Nah, I think it makes sense. I mean, God knows that government’s already swamped in so much bureaucracy. What’s the pain in adding one more?
SPEAKER 07 :
Yeah, I just think it’s, to me, this seems a little bit much. I wish that if she, they should put something in the rules that if the person is the candidate who lost, they shouldn’t have to announce their own loss.
SPEAKER 17 :
Right, get the next in line to do it. Get someone else.
SPEAKER 07 :
Yeah, get somebody else.
SPEAKER 17 :
I get it, I get it.
SPEAKER 07 :
Yeah, but okay, but we also mentioned that at the same time, Trudeau has stepped down. Hooray!
SPEAKER 18 :
Yes, I heard about this.
SPEAKER 07 :
Now, I’m very excited about this because I cannot stand Justin Trudeau. I think he is one of the stupidest men alive. But he has great hair. Okay. I will confess he has awesome hair. But Trudeau has had to step down. He’s had to step down because Canada is going through the very same rightward lean tilt that America is going through right now. MAGA has taken over Canada. It really has. And it looks a little bit different. And this all started up in Canada because of the truckers.
SPEAKER 08 :
Right, I remember all that.
SPEAKER 07 :
If you’re going to say, well, where did it all really start? I mean, it’s probably been coming for a while. They have economic problems as well. But it has been because this guy is a tyrant. OK, he is somebody who uses power in any possible way he can. He uses power to subjugate those and silence those who disagree with him. He would literally silence people who disagree with him. When you’re sending the cops and sending, you know, the these government agencies into churches. Right. Just shut them down. When you’re telling truckers that they’ve got to be vaccinated or else, when you’re telling anybody they’ve got to be vaccinated or else, it’s crazy. And I think especially when in the aftermath it became clear that the vaccine doesn’t even stop the spread and you are literally punishing and ruining lives. And that happened here in America too, but you’re ruining lives. I think that Canada finally looked and said, you know what? We’ve got a dictator here. We’ve got a tyrant. And I’m not talking a dictator on the level of Hitler and this kind of thing, but I’m talking about somebody who dictates, somebody who uses whatever power is at his hands that he can use to control the lives of others. And I’m starting to see in the West, look at Argentina. Right. I’m seeing a real rejection of that, and it seems to all be happening at once. What do you think?
SPEAKER 17 :
Yeah. I’m not super familiar with… sort of how Canada operates up there. And I know Trudeau stepping down, but I don’t know a lot of the details. Was it like societal pressure? Like did, did the people pressure him to step down or was it within the government itself? They were.
SPEAKER 07 :
Oh, it’s coming from all. It’s coming from all quarters because the conservatives are literally pulling ahead of him by 20 points.
SPEAKER 17 :
Gotcha.
SPEAKER 07 :
The Liberal Party is going to get destroyed and they’re doing a little bit of the Biden thing. Remember here in America, the liberals wanted Biden to step down so they’d have a better chance in the elections. Up there, Trudeau has become so toxic. They want him to step down so they feel that they can do better in the elections coming up. I don’t know that they will.
SPEAKER 17 :
Gotcha.
SPEAKER 07 :
You know, obviously it didn’t. Did it help here in America? It did a little bit. I think Biden would have lost even worse. I do. But it didn’t help much. Right. Right. And here’s what I want to ask you. I think especially young people, because we saw a lot of the move amongst young people to the right this last election. And we’ve been seeing it also in a number of demographics. I think people are finally starting to realize something, right? The right isn’t what they were told. OK, no, get me wrong. I’ll be quick to come down on people on the right on my side when they try to be dictators themselves. Right. When they try to, you know, if I try to make my beliefs into other people’s laws, for instance, you know, if I try to say gay people can’t get married.
SPEAKER 17 :
Right.
SPEAKER 07 :
OK, why? Because, you know, I’m born again, right wing evangelical Christian. I don’t believe homosexuality is natural. Therefore, they should. And I take my beliefs and try to make them into their laws. What am I doing? I’m dictating. Right. Right. OK. Our side can do that, but we don’t do it very much. Here’s what I’ve really seen. You know the big four, and we’ll be talking about Facebook later on in the show, and probably in the second hour. The big four have been totally run by the left. And what are the big four? The big four mobilizers of public thought. We’re talking media, academia, entertainment, and that includes sports entertainment, and big tech. Okay, the Facebook. Gotcha. Yeah. How many years, Luke, have you heard from the big four, because you’re a young guy, that Nazi Germany was right wing? Just as an example.
SPEAKER 17 :
Right. I mean, all the time, all through school.
SPEAKER 07 :
Right. 100% why? Nazi Germany was not even just 50-50. It wasn’t even just 80-20 left wing. Nazi Germany was 100% all the way right. Left wing.
SPEAKER 1 :
100%.
SPEAKER 07 :
Look, the Nazi stood for, what is it, the Socialist Party of Labor. Okay? That’s what it stood for. They were, you know… They were big party, big government people. They were not little government. They were not for free expression, obviously. Conservatives are for free expression. They were not for small government. Conservatives are for small government. They were not for freeing up free enterprise. They would have the government run free enterprise. You had to be in the government’s pocket.
SPEAKER 17 :
Right.
SPEAKER 07 :
Okay, everywhere you looked in Nazi Germany was 100% left wing. And so you’ve had an entire generation of people in America who, just like you, because you’re in that generation. All you heard was Nazi Germany, right wing.
SPEAKER 17 :
Yeah.
SPEAKER 07 :
Total lie. But by using Nazi Germany and other examples like it, they were able to say that the right is, you know, fascist, that the right is trying to control you. Donald Trump is a fascist. Once he gets in, he’s going to control your life. Obviously, he’s not. But that’s what they want to say. He’s going to control your life. I think something broke. And I think what broke is people watch the left in action over the last several years and especially during covid, but also with lawfare against Donald Trump. Right. It just seemed that anywhere the left could pull levers in their favor. How about Facebook? Right. Banning speech that they didn’t like. And every time that you would put the word COVID in a post, it would come. Do you remember this? Right. You’d have a thing that Facebook would put on there giving the left wing perspective on COVID. OK. Anything they run, they use to control people. OK, right. I’ve always said that the definition of a conservative is this. We want to control our own lives, not yours. Period. And if a conservative starts to want to control your life, then they’re not acting conservative. OK. And you can say, well, what about abortion? Well, at that point, we’re trying to keep your one person’s choice from taking away another person’s choice. OK, that’s right. And then you’re in a debate about science and that’s fine. But the heart of the conservative movement is personal liberty. the opponent of the liberal movement is personal liberty. And what I think people finally saw over the last several years was, especially during COVID, but also in a number of other ways, the left finally started showing its true colors and controlling people in every way, shape and form. I think people rejected totalitarianism. And I’m not even saying like Mussolini, I’m talking, but they use whatever power at hand. I think people rejected it. I think people are tired of being controlled. Even people like Bill Maher would castigate the left for doing these things.
SPEAKER 08 :
Yeah.
SPEAKER 07 :
What do you think? Do you think people are starting who believed that Nazi Germany and I’m broadening Nazi Germany to everything on the right. Right. That believe that Nazi Germany was right wing are starting to say, wait a minute, you’ve been telling us this for years, but it’s your side doing all the controlling.
SPEAKER 17 :
Yeah, I think there’s probably a lot of truth to that, in that people who are already politically minded, who are sort of in those spheres and are paying attention to stuff like policy and things that are happening, you know, at the state and the house and the presidency, I think the politically minded people are feeling that, right?
SPEAKER 08 :
Right.
SPEAKER 17 :
We’ve sort of been lied to. Maybe I have a low opinion of most people, but in terms of like the voter base, I think
SPEAKER 07 :
You think too many people are not that politically connected?
SPEAKER 17 :
I think not too many people are that politically connected.
SPEAKER 07 :
Okay, but do they know when one side doesn’t want you to have plastic trash bags at the supermarket, and one side wants to force you to drive this car, not that car, and one side wants to take your job away if you don’t get a vaccine, and one side wants… I think a lot of that is still for the politically minded.
SPEAKER 17 :
I think most people… They don’t assign that to a party. I think, at least in my opinion, I think a majority of people focus only so much in as whatever change directly impacts them. Someone can talk about wanting to change the car in the next 30 years. Most people aren’t going to care until someone comes knocking on their door telling them to change their car. I think people feel the immediate effects of a thing, right? For the past four years, it’s hard to buy groceries. People’s paychecks don’t go as far. They go, I don’t like this. Well, this thing is currently happening under this administration. Get rid of that. Try something new. I think it’s more basic.
SPEAKER 07 :
I’m going to… I agree, but I’m going to add something to it. DEI. I think there’s been a huge rejection of DEI. I think that’s pretty obvious because companies are having to throw it out left and right. DEI, once again, is a control device of the left. It’s bigotry enforced by the left. And people are rejecting any kind of control. So if people say to you, we are going to based not on merit, but based on their demographics, give advantages to this this person and thereby disadvantages to that person. Once again, that’s reaching into their lives. That’s controlling lives. And a lot of people have had friends and neighbors who have lost jobs because of this. Right. Who have lost promotions because of this, who have moved up because of this, who don’t have opportunities because of this. I think that’s an example of the left being using control and driving people nuts.
SPEAKER 17 :
Yeah, I think probably a lot of people were pretty twisted the wrong way because of a lot of that.
SPEAKER 07 :
Well, I just think that what we’re seeing in Canada is a complete rejection of government power being used to control the people’s lives because there you’re shutting down churches. Canada was more intense than we are here. Hey, on the line right now, we got Jerry from Greeley. Jerry, would you like to jump in on this?
SPEAKER 13 :
Yes, sir. You know, you’re talking about possibly projecting trends. And last week you said something about you thought that maybe we’d somewhat turn the corner on the woke garbage and that a lot of people were getting wise to that. Yeah. And I guess I’m more pessimistic overall. I think that the modern American public tends to be have very short memories, and I mean, the truth is that the right isn’t as dedicated and devoted to their cause as the left, in my opinion. I mean, if you really dig into the history… No, I agree. Yeah, the left has been working at their Marxist revolution for a hundred years, and it’s been subversive, behind-the-scenes, insidious poisoning of… of the minds of the younger people more and more and more. And that’s not going to stop. They got really wild in 2020, and there was some backlash and pushback, and now they’re kind of going back undercover a little bit. But they’re not going to quit brainwashing the kids in the schools, which is a primary concern. They’re just going to be a little less flagrant when they see that it’s tactically advantageous to be less flagrant. And I, you know, most Americans don’t read much anymore, but there’s a couple of great books that show how we got where we are and kind of maybe help us see what to do to fight that. Next Gen Marxism by Gonzales and Gorka. And then America’s Cultural Revolution by Christopher Rufo. And they detail the history of the long march through the institutions and all of the indoctrination that’s that’s gotten us where we are.
SPEAKER 07 :
Well, Jerry, just so you know, in case you don’t know, and maybe you’ve already heard this about me, I come from the left. I was raised as a hardcore left-winger. Oh, really?
SPEAKER 13 :
No, I didn’t know that.
SPEAKER 07 :
Oh, yes. I’m the only right-winger in my family line, the only Christian, the only all that stuff. And I was raised in the academic left. My dad was my school principal. He has a master’s degree in education. My brother, master’s degree in education. My whole family, hardcore left-wing activists. So, yeah, everything you’re saying, true. You see, to them, the… Look, Luke is basically saying people on the right are not as in tune with us all the time. And a lot of people aren’t always thinking politics all the time. But the people on the left, Jerry, are exactly what you say. To them, this is their religion. And they want to control everybody’s lives. And they will not stop until they do. And they know that government is the greatest vehicle to do it with.
SPEAKER 13 :
Yes, and exactly. People, when modern Americans hear about communism, they immediately think of the economics. They don’t understand that the revolutionary cause is to transform humanity. And, you know, they’re not satisfied with live and let live. You know, you do what you want in your country, we’ll do what we want in ours. They want to run the world as a communist society, and no sacrifice is too great to achieve that to the revolutionary hardcore.
SPEAKER 07 :
Yeah, Jerry, in fact, I’ll tell you this, and I know this from my own family, but not just my family. A lot of leftists that I know, they will literally give up their own freedoms to take yours. They don’t care. They will do anything, anything to limit the freedoms of other people. It’s their drug. It is their high. It is everything to them. It’s their religion. You know, and Jerry, I couldn’t agree with you more.
SPEAKER 13 :
Well, I just wanted to throw that in. I’m glad to hear that you’re kind of like another one of my favorite folks, David Horowitz, then, that you saw the light and came around. That’s good to know.
SPEAKER 07 :
I love David Horowitz. Jerry, thank you so much.
SPEAKER 13 :
Thank you. Bye-bye.
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God. Country. Reason. Now back to John Rush.
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And welcome back to Rush to Reason. Denver’s Afternoon Rush. KLZ 560. Andy Pate filling in for John Rush. On the line right now, we’ve got Todd Watkins, who is the El Paso County Vice Chair for the GOP. Todd, how are you today? I am well, Andy. And yourself? I’m doing well. You know, we were just talking about Justin Trudeau having to step aside because, well, the people of Canada honestly got tired of him abusing power, trying to centralize power, trying to wield power over other people’s lives, trying to control anyone who disagreed with him. And that’s kind of one reason I want you on today. Because I know we’ve been talking a lot about the Colorado GOP. And for those who are saying, you know, you talk so much about the Colorado GOP. Folks, just so you know, this little movement that Todd, you know, Todd, you’re one of the leaders of it. You really are. You’re one of the leaders of this movement against the leadership of the Colorado GOP. And it’s not because you want to be against them. It’s because they’ve done a lot of things that we’ll talk about here in a moment. But here’s where the rubber hits the road. Todd, because of people like you calling out the state GOP and saying, look, they’re steering us the wrong way. We just held the House of Representatives for Donald Trump. OK, if the state GOP had gotten their way, if they had been able to simply put out their endorsements for these House positions. and people have been so consumed with, well, gee, our leadership says that these are the right candidates. We should support them. We would now not have the House of Representatives. Donald Trump, his entire presidency would be derailed right now if it wasn’t because the Colorado GOP lost in the primaries and better candidates beat them. And one big reason better candidates beat them is because of people like you, Todd, so take a bow.
SPEAKER 05 :
Well, thank you. I’ve certainly been blamed for all of this from the Colorado GOP. But yeah, I think it’s important to note that those who won their races in Colorado, the four U.S. current Congressionals, the 22 in the State House, and the state senators, they won those races despite the Colorado Republican Party, not because of. So it’s kind of It’s comical at the very best for the Colorado GOP to proclaim victory, like we did real good. No, these candidates did real well despite your – most earnest efforts to defeat them and defame them.
SPEAKER 07 :
Well, and also, Todd, let’s keep in mind, we were just part of a national red wave with Donald Trump. Donald Trump, between 2000 and 2024… increased his performance against the democrat by a full 6.2 percent the gap yeah he improved by 6.2 percent nationally against the democrat in colorado he only improved by 2.5 percent that’s a 3.7 percent drop that’s almost 60 percent we lost almost 60 percent of the national red wave here in colorado so look You know, and I will see people with the Colorado GOP literally go out and say this, and this blows my mind. It just makes me furious. They’ll say, well, we gained more seats than we did in 2022 and 2020 and 2018. It’s like those were blue wave years. This was a national red wave that they had nothing to do with. They had nothing to do with the national red wave, obviously, because it’s national, right? They’re only a state. And yet you underperformed the national red wave by 60 percent. And then you’re bragging. Yes, of course, we gained a few seats, Todd. That’s going to happen when your opponent, Kamala Harris, fails to churn a single district in the entire country. She didn’t flip a single district in the entire country of the United States, Todd. And you don’t think that you’re going to gain a few seats? Of course you are. We did terrible, Todd. We did terrible.
SPEAKER 05 :
Right. And I’m going to say it again. The candidates won because of their efforts as candidates in their campaigns. Right. Not because of them.
SPEAKER 07 :
Yeah, it was because of their efforts and the red wave. I thought Gabe Evans and the rest of them ran great campaigns, and they did it by distancing themselves from the Colorado GOP. Todd, we’re going to have to take a break here in a moment, but really quick here. What are we going to be talking about after the break? Because the Colorado GOP, aren’t they now trying to put through a number of bylaw changes that will consolidate their power and basically use power to go after their enemies, just like Trudeau did in Canada.
SPEAKER 05 :
Yes, six of them. They’re forming a Politburo.
SPEAKER 07 :
Okay, let’s take a break. When we come back, I want you to walk us through very quickly these bylaw changes, because I know people are thinking, oh, gee, that sounds kind of dry. It’s not dry. This is only happening in one out of 50 states. This is incredibly unusual, what you’re about to hear. They are going to be using bylaws to hurt people. Okay, and I want Todd to talk about it when we come back from the break. Up next is Cub Creek Heating and Air. Winners here and with it, heating emergencies. Have this number ready, 303-656-5467. That’s Cub Creek at 303-656-5467.
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And welcome back to Rush to Reason. Denver’s Afternoon Rush. KLZ 560. Andy Pate filling in for John Rush along with Luke Cash. And on the line right now we’ve got Todd Watkins. Todd, what’s going on? What is the state party proposing in bylaw changes to consolidate power?
SPEAKER 05 :
It’s really six bylaw amendments. That systematically, they’re kind of a package deal. One complements the other in shrinking the number of members who are voting members in the central committee and consolidating power, decision-making power, in the very exclusive…
SPEAKER 07 :
very loyal to the chair executive committee yeah now for those who don’t understand really quick todd uh the executive committee small group and that’s the group right around dave williams and the more you if you’re if you want to be a big fish in a small pond you shrink the pond and so what they’re doing right now is trying to shrink the influence of the scc the wider group that’s over 400 members and increase the power around dave go ahead
SPEAKER 05 :
So, and it’s also, I re this is a really important point to make is. This meeting is going to happen on January 30th, beginning January or February 1st to February 15th, all of the counties and the vast majority of the, uh, uh, representative districts have their meetings to elect new officers. And then between March 1st and March 15th, the state party is going to have its meeting to elect. new officers. So really, this is the outgoing administration making broad sweeping radical changes to the governing document of the body in this final hours.
SPEAKER 07 :
Okay, so give me some changes.
SPEAKER 05 :
Reducing the participation of elected officials. So your congressmen, state senators, house reps, district attorneys, state level officials if we had any like governor secretary of state etc these people are all in state statute given a vote in the central committee the central committee is actually established in state law it says who shall be uh members of this okay so so that they are among the voting members who can vote on who is chair who isn’t chair
SPEAKER 07 :
Okay, in case people are, or, you know, what kind of changes you’ll make, what kind of power the chair can have. These are people who can vote on that. So what do they want to do with these people, these elected members who are on the SEC?
SPEAKER 05 :
So each category of elected official, whether it’s U.S. Rep, House Rep, State Rep, State Senate, they get to delegate one person to be the voting member in the Central Committee, it would reduce the number of votes in the Central Committee by, I think it’s 40 plus, probably close to 50.
SPEAKER 07 :
And currently, that group is a group that is very anti Dave in general, right?
SPEAKER 05 :
Well, like, I would say 95 plus percent.
SPEAKER 07 :
Okay, so night. So here you got a group that’s about 95% opposed to Dave Williams, and his cadre. And they want to reduce their number of votes from about 40 to about six.
SPEAKER 08 :
Yeah.
SPEAKER 05 :
Gosh. I mean, that’s simple math, even for someone like me. Wow.
SPEAKER 07 :
Okay, that’s horrifying. Okay, and especially since when you consider the SEC is very divided, if you take away 30-plus votes on one side, you’re basically giving victory to the other. Did they also put in a bylaw change that almost directly affects you?
SPEAKER 05 :
Yeah, if you participated in a campaign uprising against the chair. Uprising. Yeah, I forget the words in it, but if failed litigation against the chair and they cite a particular case that we were involved in, then you cannot be, you’re suspended. Your rights and privileges as a central committee member are suspended and unless you pay restitution to the party. So it’s basically blackmail extortion.
SPEAKER 07 :
Pay restitution like actual money?
SPEAKER 05 :
Yes.
SPEAKER 07 :
Okay, so basically, since you oppose the leadership of the Colorado Republican Party, and by the way, thank you for doing that, since you did that and they had to incur legal costs because you battled back and forth legally, but you had to incur them too, they basically want you to pay their legal fees, right? And give them money, and otherwise you don’t have a vote.
SPEAKER 05 :
Right, yeah.
SPEAKER 07 :
But you legally have a vote. You were elected into your position, and you’re still in it.
SPEAKER 05 :
That’s correct. And as I said before, the membership of the central committee is established by state law. Right. And county chairs and county vice chairs are required by state law to be in the central committee. So they don’t really have a legal leg to stand on to suspend us. There’s no provision for that. This is inventing something. And I’d also like to point out that it’s kind of ex post facto. Right there. They’re creating a type of legislation within the party to affect something that happened before. Right.
SPEAKER 07 :
They’re not they’re not saying, gee, if you do this, we’re going to do this to you. What they’re saying is anyone who did this, we’re going to do this to you. Okay, so there again, once again, they’re trying to remove some voting members, in this case you and one other member, I believe. So remove a couple more from voting against them.
SPEAKER 05 :
And the way that bylaw amendment is written, they can expand it to anybody else who may have, you know, aided and abetted. So I suspect that they’re probably going to try to do that.
SPEAKER 07 :
more than uh you know me and the other there will probably be you know six seven eight more that they’ll come after as you know chairs vice chairs okay so they we we’ve already got that they want to get rid of basically three dozen with one rule of the votes against them and with this they want to get rid of several more of the votes against them now we’re well over 40 votes against them that they want to basically get rid of simply by changing the bylaws okay what else you got
SPEAKER 05 :
Well, that actually comprised – there’s also a – remember how the bylaw that allows to pick sides in the primary? Yeah. They’re also writing a bylaw that says that they must support the Republican who was nominated in the assembly. So I assume that this is really kind of steered at a particular – chair who wants to go to Congress and ensure that the party is supportive of his aim to get into Congress and encumber the party to support and move for that candidate should he find himself on a ballot for Congress.
SPEAKER 07 :
Yeah, this is ridiculous. Look, the Colorado GOP should not be endorsing in primaries, period. And then once the primaries have completed, they should be supporting all of our candidates that were chosen in the primaries, period. Why? Because they are there to serve our candidates. They are not there to choose our candidates. That’s kind of my job as a voter.
SPEAKER 05 :
Yeah, really the party is supposed to kind of set the framework in the environment for candidates to come in uh appeal to the electorate the electorate then picks who goes forward and the party just makes sure all that machinery works smoothly and fairly and efficiently to get people onto the ballot and then the people get to decide not the party this is a hundred percent the party is going to decide everything for you and even if you’re not a part of this any of these committees understand that this is going to impact you when it comes time for another ballot because that the person on that ballot will have been kind of engineered by what I would argue is a rather radical version of conservatism, if you could even call it conservatism at this point.
SPEAKER 07 :
Todd, can you give any other reason that people would want to put forth rules like this other than they want to consolidate power with them?
SPEAKER 05 :
Consolidate power and remain in power. That’s important, too. It’s not just consolidating it. They want to remain in power.
SPEAKER 07 :
See, Todd, we’re talking about the same people who a year ago, September, tried to put through a rule to where everybody, you know, when you would have the meetings, you get together and have the big meetings, the assemblies and anybody who didn’t attend, who didn’t cast a vote. So they’re a non-vote. would be declared a yes vote for the chair’s agenda. Okay? They literally tried to churn. No, no, they literally tried to churn. They’re proud of it. I’m not accusing them of this, folks. They’re proud of it. They defend this. Okay? They literally tried to churn everybody’s non-votes into yes votes for their agenda. Nobody’s ever done. Here’s why this is so important, Todd. No one in Colorado GOP history has ever tried to do any of this. This is brand new.
SPEAKER 05 :
Go ahead. I don’t think that’s over or done with. I think that’s going to come back. And that’s another aspect of the, you know, culling the herd of voters within the central committee, because it’s the central committee who’s going to vote on opting out of the primary. And this gets back to the assembly, the assembly candidates, supporting the assembly candidate, picking sides. It’s all tailored to that. And there’s a very specific end game that I think I see happening. That that’s constructed by all this.
SPEAKER 07 :
Well, that’s pretty bad. OK, I mean, look, and by the way, they want to opt out of the open primary. And John and I’ve been saying this for well over a year. They’re crazy. OK, first of all, the over the overwhelming majority of unaffiliated voters in Colorado voted to. keep the open primary. I’m not a fan of the open primary. Never have been. I like closed primaries. I like only Republicans choosing Republican candidates. But Colorado chose otherwise. Now, half the voters in the state are unaffiliated. Do we really want to tell half the voters in the state, get off our lawn? The Democrats love you, but we don’t. And by the way, if we do that, Todd, understand. Let’s say we opted out of the primary. People don’t seem to understand this. That open primary ballot would still go out, but it would become free advertising for the Democrats because to all the unaffiliated voters in the state, they would get a ballot that only has Democrat names on it. OK, and we would be opting ourselves out of it. Also, these people can get out of a primary. Why do they want to get out of a primary? Because they lose in every primary. Dave Williams lost by over 30 points in his primary. They can’t win primaries, so they want to get out. Go ahead.
SPEAKER 05 :
Right. So they get their people, Dave, on the ballot in a safely Republican district so that he goes to Congress. That’s the endgame here. But they already used Dave as a selling point, not the Democrat Party candidate. specifically but if you remember uh the was a prop 131 this last go around the jungle primary and i believe so yes yeah they actually use dave as their poster child for you know the political insider picking candidates for you they already use that oh yeah i believe dave williams made prop 131 a closer vote
SPEAKER 07 :
I really do. And, you know, I know this just sounds like, oh, Andy hates Dave Williams. You know what? I don’t even know Dave Williams. It’s nothing personal. I hate power plays. I hate abuse of power. I have nothing against this person personally. I don’t even know him. I’ve never met him. I know you have, but I haven’t. Okay. I don’t want people in power to abuse that power. I want the choices to be left up to the voters.
SPEAKER 05 :
Yeah, well, and that’s the Colorado GOP in its current iteration does not like what the people have to say. So they want to make sure that the people have a less chance of influencing that by calling the central committee and solidifying power in a very select few that decide what goes forward. Because, you know, as I said before, you may not be a member of any of these committees, but understand what comes out of the committee. That limits your decisions. The Republican Party makes decisions as to who goes on the ballot. You don’t get much of a say in that anymore, and you’re going to be presented a very small set of choices.
SPEAKER 07 :
And that’s where your government is going to go. Todd, I’m just going to say this. Going forward, it’s very simple. I don’t care if you’re pro-Dave, anti-Dave, you don’t care about Dave, you know, you’re in neither group. I don’t care, okay? Nobody should be purging anyone else out of the process. Nobody should be ginning up leverage with bylaw changes to try to get their opponents or people they don’t like out of the way, out of the vote. You need to leave it up to the people. If the people want to choose Dave Williams again for our party chair, it’ll be a disaster, of course. But if they want to do that… If they want to lose 60% of the next red wave and do that again, fine. It’s up to them. But I would not go in. Let’s say I was up there. I would not go in and try to get all the Dave supporters purged out. I wouldn’t. I wouldn’t do anything. I want them there able to speak freely, vote freely, act freely. And if they want to, let’s say I were the chair, if they want to bring forward, you know, a vote against me of no confidence and say, gee, we want Andy Pate out of being chair, I wouldn’t do anything to stop them. Have the vote. Because if you get a majority that votes that doesn’t want me as chair, then I shouldn’t be leading them. Right, Todd?
SPEAKER 05 :
We thought so.
SPEAKER 07 :
Right. I mean, ultimately, you know, this this idea that you guys were trying to do some illegal coup, by the way, it wasn’t illegal. The courts ruled that it was a perfectly legal vote. But this idea that you should somehow be punished for doing something perfectly legal, it doesn’t make any sense. And that’s what I want to leave you with today, Todd, is just thank you so much for what you’re doing. And I just wish people would understand we shouldn’t be purging anyone on either side of the aisle in the Republican Party. Everybody should have a free voice. Nobody should be leveraged out. Right, Todd?
SPEAKER 05 :
That’s absolutely correct.
SPEAKER 07 :
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SPEAKER 07 :
And welcome back to Rush to Reason, Denver’s Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560, Andy Pate filling in for John Rush along with Luke Cash. Man. Okay, Luke, got a quick question for you here to close out the hour. This Friday, Donald Trump is going to be sentenced for ludicrous charges. But the whole idea is to make him the felon president. That’s why they’re doing it before he takes office. Let me ask you a question. Does he mind?
SPEAKER 17 :
I think he should mind. I think it’s one thing for Donald Trump to be very Donald Trump about it and go, yeah, you know, it’s whatever and play into the role. I think on the national stage, that’s going to mean something to people. I think, you know, foreign governments are going to care. And I think he needs to consider that moving forward.
SPEAKER 07 :
Do you think so? Because, I mean, remember the mugshot? He turned the mugshot into a publicity goldmine.
SPEAKER 17 :
Yeah, he turned it into a publicity goldmine for us, the American people. Other countries who don’t know us, who don’t know our culture, are going to see him, see that he’s been convicted and sentenced in a court of our law as a felon. I think other countries are going to worry about that. I think he needs to be aware of that perception.
SPEAKER 07 :
But I think the American people, I agree with you, there is a downside to it. But I also think the American people rejected that verdict, obviously. They looked at the verdict and said, I mean, if they agreed with that verdict, they wouldn’t have voted him in. So obviously the American people looked at that verdict and we said, we disagree. And now he gets to be… The bad boy. He gets to be the felon. He gets to be, like I said with the mugshot, he gets to say, I think he’s going to eat it up.
SPEAKER 17 :
You think so?
SPEAKER 07 :
Because he loves victimhood. He’s big into merit, but he loves victimhood. Look at what they’re doing to me. Look at what they’re doing to me. Look at what they’re doing to me. He’s going to have a ball with this and say, look at how mean and terrible and corrupt they are. I’m the anti-corruption president. I’m going to come in and sweep this out.
SPEAKER 17 :
Okay. I could see it going that way, too.
SPEAKER 07 :
I just… No, I think you make a good point, though, in that it may… On the world stage… hurt him a little bit.
SPEAKER 17 :
I think it’ll impact him.
SPEAKER 07 :
I’m just saying I think he personally will eat it up. Fair enough. It’s just his way.
SPEAKER 17 :
It’s very his style.
SPEAKER 07 :
It’s his style. Okay, folks, that’s it for our number one. In our two, we may have Richard Rush calling in on sports. He’s very busy today. We’ll see if he does. Otherwise, we’re going to be talking a lot about Trump, his cabinet, and a lot of things that are coming up. I’m getting very excited. What has you most excited about Trump’s presidency? Until then, keep it right here on Rush to Reason, KLZ 560.
