HR1 Rush To Reason March 18, 2025 by John Rush
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All right, and it is that time. The Tuesday edition Rush to Reason. Myself, Andy Pate, Charlie Grimes. Welcome, Andy. Thank you, sir. How is Andy today? Andy’s doing very well. Might have a little weather tonight. We’ll all see, but I don’t think it’s going to be much. So those of you may be wondering about that. Don’t think we’re going to get a whole lot.
SPEAKER 09 :
No, not too bad. Let me ask you something really quick here, car guy. If you’re in a parking lot and two people back up at the same time and they bump bumpers, just bump, do they need to exchange insurance and get pictures and freak out? Because that just happened down outside our building before I came in.
SPEAKER 18 :
Depends on how bad the damage is. If there’s no damage, no, just move on and forget about it.
SPEAKER 09 :
I didn’t see any damage. Both cars look fine.
SPEAKER 18 :
Then move on. I mean, if it’s that light of a tap, yeah, probably nothing worth worrying about. If it’s a little harder than that and there’s a little damage, then, yeah, you probably ought to exchange info. Here’s the deal. Each insurance company is going to cover things on their own. You’re not going to find anybody to have fault one way or the other on a deal like that.
SPEAKER 09 :
Yeah, because it wasn’t one car backing all the way across into another car. They were both in the middle. Yep. And I’m just kind of like – now, granted, I was just driving by, but I did look fairly closely. I didn’t see any damage. So anyway, I was just wondering, what do you do in that kind of situation?
SPEAKER 18 :
Not to be rude, but the majority of cars in this parking lot, I don’t think you’d ever notice. No. Did I say that?
SPEAKER 09 :
No, you didn’t.
SPEAKER 18 :
You would never say that. Yeah, this is, well, like a lot of parking lots. Let’s just say that some of us take really good care of our vehicles. Others do not.
SPEAKER 10 :
Right.
SPEAKER 18 :
And it’s funny, I might long note, not to get off on a tangent, Andy, but there doesn’t seem to be much in the middle. Either people do and do a pretty good job of taking care of them, washing them, cleaning them, all that kind of stuff. Yep.
SPEAKER 09 :
You do or you don’t.
SPEAKER 18 :
Or you don’t. There is really not much in that world in between.
SPEAKER 09 :
Yeah, I don’t know anyone who kind of takes care of their car. I don’t either. You either do.
SPEAKER 18 :
And again, being in that industry, growing up, working on people’s cars and so on, it’s sort of like your house. You either clean it or you don’t. Right. There’s really not much… In between. I mean, yes, things can get cluttery and things like that. And that’s what I’m talking. Do you wash and wax your car regularly? Is it pretty well maintained? I mean, you can typically look at a car and tell, yeah, there’s somebody that really, you know, takes pride in the vehicle that they’re driving. And then there’s others where it’s like that thing is nothing but a box with wheels to get them from A to B.
SPEAKER 10 :
Right. Which is fine.
SPEAKER 18 :
You don’t live your life. More power to you. It’s a free country. Do whatever you want. I can’t do that, but that’s not in my DNA. I could never do that. No. Even the people who laugh at this, even the cars I get to test drive on a pretty routine basis, if it gets really dirty and nasty, yes, I will on my own dime wash those cars in between because I can’t stand driving a dirty car.
SPEAKER 09 :
I’m this weird. I often return rentals.
SPEAKER 18 :
Oh, me too.
SPEAKER 09 :
Looking really good. Oh, me too, Andy, because I can’t drive them otherwise. Yeah.
SPEAKER 18 :
Yep, I’m with you on that one.
SPEAKER 09 :
I’m just that way.
SPEAKER 18 :
Yeah, I cannot drive a dirty car. So anyways, when it comes to that, though, to answer your question, that really, for those of you listening, even if you find yourself in that particular situation, You can call the cops. You can do all sorts of things. Cops liable are, depending upon where they’re at and what they’re doing, most likely won’t even show up in a situation like that. No, I mean, if it’s a really bad accident, some kind of a hit and run where you’re in a maybe a through street, quote unquote, through a parking lot or something like that, that’d be a little different scenario. And there might be cops called and that might be a different situation. But in a situation like you’re talking about, good luck on getting them to show up, period.
SPEAKER 10 :
No. I agree.
SPEAKER 18 :
And if there is damage, take pictures. Again, you are liable to not get anything out of the other person. Yours is going to take care of it most likely. Theirs is going to take care of it, and you move on.
SPEAKER 09 :
Yeah, I would think so, too. And, you know, maybe I’m wrong. Maybe if I got up real close, I would see, you know, I mean, bumpers. Maybe there’s a little scratch, something.
SPEAKER 18 :
If they’re going slow enough and it’s just more of a tap, yeah, doubt there’s going to be much there at all.
SPEAKER 10 :
Yeah.
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That’s a good question, though. Okay. That’s good advice. All right. Question of the day yesterday. Which event in 1794 tested the strength of the new U.S. Constitution when farmers revolted against a federal tax? Actually, somebody texted in and got this one right. The Whiskey Rebellion.
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Oh.
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So it is an uprising that afforded the new U.S. government its first opportunity to establish federal authority by military means within state boundaries as officials moved into western Pennsylvania to quell an uprising of settlers rebelling against the liquor tax. Alexander Hamilton, Secretary of the Treasury… had proposed the excise enacted by Congress in 1791, the first national internal revenue tax, to raise money for the national debt and to assert the power of the national government. Small farmers of the backcountry distilled and consumed whiskey, which was easier to transport and sell than the grain that was the source. It was an informal currency, a means of livelihood, and an enlivener of harsh existence. The distillers resisted the tax by attacking, often tarring and feathering, federal revenue officers. I shouldn’t laugh at that. Who attempted to collect it.
SPEAKER 09 :
It’s hard not to.
SPEAKER 18 :
Well, they did something that, you know, hadn’t been done before. Right. And I’m not saying they were right, wrong, or otherwise. I mean, federal government decided to do it, but I’m guessing they probably didn’t think that one out all the way through. No, I don’t think so. Which a lot of times federal government doesn’t think that all the way through when they do things. Often. Part of the problem we have today with what Doge is trying to clean up and handle and so on.
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It’s so crazy. And, of course, now they’re running into all the legal roadblocks that are being put up by rebellious judges and departments that are saying get out.
SPEAKER 18 :
I’m glad you asked that because a lot of people say, well, how does this even get started? Well, some loony tune leftist organization like ACLU starts a lawsuit against these things. That’s how it ends up. A judge just doesn’t come out and say this on their own. There has to be a lawsuit and something brought to them to get them to do a ruling on it. But even then, Andy, some of these rulings, it’s like, where’d you get your law degree?
SPEAKER 09 :
Right. Unless it’s Judge Roberts criticizing Trump. He doesn’t seem to need any provocation.
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Dumb.
SPEAKER 09 :
That was dumb.
SPEAKER 18 :
And he’s wrong, by the way. You shouldn’t get into those battles. No. On any level, court-wise.
SPEAKER 09 :
Yeah, he shouldn’t have been speaking on that until it comes before him.
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Clear.
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That’s a fact.
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I don’t know. Charlie, do you know?
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Close. Charlie said something, but it’s close. Yeah, he said AB positive. That’s close.
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Okay.
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God. Country. Reason. Now back to John Rush.
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All right, we are back. Rush to Reason, Denver’s Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560. Myself, Andy Pate. All right, rolling into the next topic. This is a news article that I was going to talk about yesterday. I just didn’t get a chance to get around to it, so I figured Andy and I could cover this today. In his title, 9 News, I want my Colorado back. Teller County Sheriff to run for Colorado Governor. That is Jason Mikesell. And I don’t know Jason, by the way, at all.
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I don’t either.
SPEAKER 18 :
I wish I knew more of his background. I do not know. I’m sure I’ve met him.
SPEAKER 09 :
I’ve spoken up there, but I don’t remember him.
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So I think he’s now one of 10, according to the Secretary of State’s website. I believe he’s one of 10 now that have thrown their hat into the ring.
SPEAKER 09 :
What do you think of that, John? I mean, that’s a long jump, right? Going from sheriff all the way to governor. It is. Sheriff of one small area all the way to governor. That’s quite a leap. And yet people have come out of the blue like that and hit it off.
SPEAKER 18 :
You know what? It’s early enough in all of this that some would say, well, why would you even do this? Well, keep in mind that for a lot of these people, and Charlie taught me this years ago, that there’s a lot of these people that governorship, Senate race, some of the big national things, of course, presidential races. People will throw their hat in the ring early on because, keep in mind, they’re getting a lot of free publicity. out of having their hat in the ring, even if it’s only for a short amount of time, because they’ll get some interviews and different things out of that. And they kind of establish, quote unquote, a name for themselves, if you would, meaning if there’s anything else politically speaking they would like to do, they kind of start getting some name recognition out of that.
SPEAKER 09 :
Right. Right. That would help him run for another position in his area. Correct.
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Correct.
SPEAKER 09 :
Yeah, and also, you never know. Everybody wants to be the next Obama or Trump, right? To come out of, you know, to say, I’m running for president and come out of the blue and everybody say, no, no way. There’s no way you can jump that far and then suddenly become a superstar. Everybody wants to become the next one. I will say this. In today’s political climate, a sheriff from a fairly conservative area, a very conservative area, would sell very well to a lot of people. Now, do I think statewide? No, because it’s a blue state. Let’s face it, our state generally does not like law and order. I mean, you ever been downtown in Denver, John? But for a lot of people, that is a very popular kind of person right now, a sheriff from a red county.
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By the way, everything you just said, you are not wrong on at all. Now, when they say 10, I just want to make sure I’m counting everything here because there’s the whole list. Let me just go through this. This is from Ballotpedia. So, of course, on the Democrat side, Phil Weiser, he was kind of the first one to kind of throw his hat into the ring, which I will be surprised if he doesn’t end up being their guy.
SPEAKER 09 :
Which means our governor.
SPEAKER 18 :
Correct. Right. Unless we run somebody really, really well against them. And we’ll run through some of these and talk about some of them. By the way, it’s early. Some of my comments, just take them for face value. I have no idea. All sorts of things can happen as you move down the stretch and you get down to where you even get your name on the actual ballot and so on. So a lot of things can happen. So this is just me talking right now. 10,000-foot view. and not knowing some of these people. Some of them I know fairly well. Some I don’t know at all. So I’ll just give you my 10,000-foot view, and Andy, you can do the same. So Phil Weiser, we just talked about. Mark Baisley. And by the way, I like Mark. Mark’s a very good guy, solid guy, constitutional guy, very likable, has a real likability to him. My only concern with Mark, and Mark, if you’re listening, you can take this and use it or not or do whatever. At times, I just feel like Mark needs to be a little more – How should I say this? A little more dynamic and fluid with his thoughts when he’s talking to people publicly. Am I saying that correctly?
SPEAKER 10 :
Yeah.
SPEAKER 18 :
And by the way, this is true for all politicians. If you’re going to run for office, you need to be really quick, sharp, fluid, no stammering, no ahs, no pauses, no nothing. You’ve got to roll it right out.
SPEAKER 09 :
You know, I think Mark Baisley is a pretty good example, though, of the real problem that any Republican is going to have running in Colorado. He is one of those who tries to ride the edge between the Liberty Davidian wing and the normal people.
SPEAKER 18 :
The other side, correct. And by the way, Mark is a very normal guy. Oh, he is a normal guy. I mean, he’s a guy that I could have sitting to me to my right in here. Andy’s to my left. And he could join in on our program right now, no problem. He’s that kind of guy.
SPEAKER 09 :
Yeah, and by the way, I don’t mean that there are two different wings ideologically. They believe the same things. I’m a Liberty guy all the way. You’re a Liberty guy. I’m a Tea Party guy. But I’m talking one side wants rage and attack mode on every single thing, and the other side wants to be political and strategic.
SPEAKER 18 :
And that’s Mark’s side, by the way. Right. I mean, he plays to the other side as much as he can, but that is Mark.
SPEAKER 09 :
Right, but I think the problem he’s going to have is he’s going to try to play it down the middle and be accepted by neither. I think that’s going to be one big struggle for him.
SPEAKER 18 :
And part of that is because the next person on this list is Scott Bottoms, and he very much is in that whole Liberty Camp end of things that Andy just mentioned, too, and he speaks to them very well. And Scott’s a pastor, good man. I mean, again, I can’t disagree with anything that he believes in, but he doesn’t have a snowball’s chance of getting elected.
SPEAKER 09 :
No. Scott Bottoms would get utterly annihilated on a statewide level. And, you know, once again, would I like to have Scott Bottoms as my governor? You bet. I’m all in. That’d be great.
SPEAKER 18 :
But it’s not a realistic expectation.
SPEAKER 09 :
No, and he also doesn’t have Mark’s name wreck.
SPEAKER 18 :
No, he does not. Okay. Very well said. Go ahead. Jason Ray Clark with a Republican R next to his name. Don’t know the person.
SPEAKER 09 :
Don’t know him.
SPEAKER 18 :
Brian Garrison with an R next to him, or Bryson Garrison with an R next to his name.
SPEAKER 09 :
Do you know that name? I think I’ve heard of him. Yeah, yeah, but I haven’t heard enough.
SPEAKER 18 :
I mean, I can click on each one of these and go find out, but top of my head, I don’t know them. Steven Guess is the next one.
SPEAKER 10 :
Don’t know.
SPEAKER 18 :
Don’t know that one either. John Gray Ginsberg. That’s another one with an R next to their name.
SPEAKER 09 :
Okay.
SPEAKER 18 :
Joshua Griffin.
SPEAKER 09 :
See, some of these I’ve heard of, but I know so little about that I don’t want to comment.
SPEAKER 18 :
Robin Jones. Yeah. I can’t tell from the picture if that’s even male or female, by the way.
SPEAKER 10 :
Okay.
SPEAKER 18 :
Rabin. Not Robin. Rabin. Manatee. Rabin? Maybe it’s Rabin. That could be.
SPEAKER 10 :
Okay.
SPEAKER 18 :
Manatee? Yeah. Mahanty, maybe? Maybe I’m not saying that right. Mahanty, I think, is right. Mahanty.
SPEAKER 10 :
All right.
SPEAKER 18 :
Alex Maguatu?
SPEAKER 09 :
I don’t know. Are you in the Democrats now?
SPEAKER 18 :
No, that’s Republicans still.
SPEAKER 09 :
Okay. I don’t know if you would switch parties yet.
SPEAKER 18 :
No, I’m still rolling. The only D is Weiser.
SPEAKER 09 :
Oh, really? All the rest of these are Republicans. Well, wait a minute. I thought the secretary said… She hasn’t thrown her hat in officially. Oh, I thought she had.
SPEAKER 18 :
She’s thinking now she may run for AG. That’s the last news I heard. OK, and probably had some talking to inside of the party that fills our guy. If you want something, go take his old job. But otherwise, stay out of it.
SPEAKER 09 :
Well, she can mess that up as well. She has her job. Well, that’s I think, you know, she’s totally qualified.
SPEAKER 18 :
If there’s anybody I’d like to run against for governor, it would be her.
SPEAKER 09 :
Yeah, yeah, but you’re not going to get her. It’s going to be wiser, and by the way, he has money.
SPEAKER 18 :
He does. Okay. Let’s see here. Katie Pierce is the next one. Jim Runberg? Runberg. Runberg.
SPEAKER 10 :
Okay.
SPEAKER 18 :
That’s all the Rs. Now we go to the Constitutional Party. Stephen Hamilton.
SPEAKER 10 :
All right.
SPEAKER 18 :
The rest of these are going to be unaffiliated. Justin Gonneau. Shanti Jones. Will McBride. Matthew Yoris. All right. None of these matters. Willow.
SPEAKER 09 :
You’re just reading out of the phone book right now. Well, I am. Okay, folks, John literally has a phone book in front of him. Next, he’s going to give a dry cleaning service. Those are all the current.
SPEAKER 18 :
That’s it.
SPEAKER 09 :
Look, none of those people have a chance. And here’s the thing. Getting back to the Republicans. Anybody could rise up and be the candidate. OK, you never know who’s going to rise up, because right now, outside of Mark, you have nobody with any name recognition whatsoever. So right now he would be the front runner. And don’t get me wrong, I think he’d be a fine candidate. In this blue setting, though, here’s the problem. He’s got to play to the rage mob, and they will drag him away from the market.
SPEAKER 18 :
It’s that simple. And here’s why, for all of you listening. Please bear with us here. If you can’t get their approval, quote-unquote, and I mean that sincerely. They won’t vote for you. They will not. In fact, they will do something as much as taking an unaffiliated or an American constitutional person and throwing their hat in the ring for them and really screwing it up. And I’m not exaggerating.
SPEAKER 09 :
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. You have to understand the rage mob has absolutely zero loyalty to the Republican Party. None whatsoever.
SPEAKER 18 :
Nope.
SPEAKER 09 :
Absolutely none. Not even a hint. Correct. And so they’re going to look at you and say, you know, we don’t like you. They’re going to have your picture put up on the Rhino Wall of Shame for Rhino Watch, and they’re going to attack you and mock you, and they’re going to do the same to you as they did to Heidi Ganahl.
SPEAKER 17 :
Right.
SPEAKER 09 :
They don’t care.
SPEAKER 17 :
Nope.
SPEAKER 09 :
And that’s a real problem because, unfortunately, they are a fair percentage of our party. Now, it’s a minority, but it’s enough of a percentage.
SPEAKER 18 :
Fair percentage of those that have some sway in that group that actually do get out and vote and do things, and I’ll give them credit for all of that, and they do have enough sway in that particular area, especially when we have a minority of Republicans already voting, Andy. That’s already a problem in this state already. If there’s any kind of division at all, we’re screwed. Right. We saw that with Michael Bennett the last time around.
SPEAKER 09 :
was campaigning for Ron Hanks and running ads to help Ron Hanks in our primary. And of course, Hanks lost the primary. Hanks would have lost the general. It’s like that group, the rage crowd and hope’s in it. Wants us to lose. I mean, I swear they must want us to lose because I just can’t. I mean, unless they’re entirely crazy, I just can’t explain their actions outside of that. It’s like, look, I hold extremely right wing views. You know that.
SPEAKER 18 :
So do I. Okay.
SPEAKER 09 :
But I look at the market.
SPEAKER 18 :
In fact, if you and I were to sit down with any lefty in a room.
SPEAKER 09 :
Oh, yeah.
SPEAKER 18 :
And we ran through 10 questions on where we stand versus where they stand. They would hate us by the time we all left. 10 out of 10. Correct.
SPEAKER 09 :
Yeah, absolutely.
SPEAKER 18 :
But yet, according to all of those that you’re mentioning, Andy, we’re rhinos.
SPEAKER 09 :
Right. According to all those people we’re mentioning, we are rhinos. Because they decide that you’re a rhino based only on your allegiance, not on your views. Right. Okay? And your allegiance has to be toward their anger.
SPEAKER 18 :
I think, Andy, let me – and we can do this before a break because we don’t have any other – Yes, I think because I’ve been thinking about this a lot lately and I’m really I’m trying to be just open minded and think through this whole process. And why do certain people do the things they do and so on? And and I understand the fact that this particular group of individuals felt so slighted for so long that now they’re in power. They’re going to make sure that their way is done, period, no matter what. And I understand that. OK, that that part I do get. Unfortunately. The majority of these individuals, and I’ll just say this straight up, these are mostly individuals. Some are business owners, although some, I don’t know that I would even call them business owners because of the profession that they’re in. My point is this. Most of them don’t know marketing and strategy and what it takes to move the football forward because, Andy, they’ve never had to do it. In fact, in some cases, I’m just going to be straight up honest, in some cases, these are lifelong activists. who frankly, I’m sorry, I’ll just say it this way, it’s hand-to-mouth even as far as how they live their life. Most of them have no financial wherewithal whatsoever. They are literally political activists. They spend the majority of their spare time doing such. There’s not a lot of resources outside of that. And I’m not trying to ditz anybody. I’m just giving you the explanation as to how they think and why they think the way they do. And then they get so dead set on making something happen moving forward because they’ve been, which I hate the name activist, by the way, because I just think it… It just paints such a bad picture most of the time. In fact, I would never want to be labeled one because I hate that name because most activists I know eat, sleep, drink, and that’s all they do, and everybody else is sacrificed in the process.
SPEAKER 09 :
Right. See, you and I, I mean, I’ve always gone by the voting methodology of I vote to advance the most liberty I can in any situation. Correct. Okay? Correct. Now, obviously in Colorado, can I advance a great deal of liberty in Colorado? Of course not. It’s a blue state. We’ve been overrun with blue state voters for the last two decades.
SPEAKER 18 :
But can we chip away at it?
SPEAKER 09 :
But can we chip away? Yes. But that means on a scale of one to 10. Okay. And you look at this Liberty scorecard, right? Which is just ridiculous. But you look at that. And don’t get me wrong, the people who do Liberty Scorecard, you and I would agree with them on all the issues. Okay, but if we look and say, out of 10, if I want to run an 8 or a 9 in anything but a deep red district, it’s hopeless. But they don’t see it that way.
SPEAKER 18 :
Andy, there’s a lot of… They don’t see it that way. You couldn’t even run some 8s in some of the districts that you’re talking about. You’ve got to be down around the 6s or 7s to even win in that particular area.
SPEAKER 09 :
I know.
SPEAKER 18 :
And Governor of Colorado… Everybody listen to me, please. Those of you that are hardcore individuals like Andy’s talking about right now, please hear me out when I say this. To win in Colorado, you’re going to need somebody that could possibly internally be a 10, but has to come across to the crowd and to the public and to the especially unaffiliated voters. They’ve got to come across like a 6. Yes. If they don’t come across as a 6, even though they’re a 10, we lose. Oh, yeah. Absolutely. And I hope you’re all listening to me. You cannot run 810 or you’re going to get your pants beat.
SPEAKER 09 :
And here’s what I don’t understand, John. These folks, they would agree with you and me that the public education system has raised generations and waves of people who don’t understand the founding fathers, the founding documents, who don’t understand liberty, who don’t understand what it takes to have freedom. They don’t understand the greatness of what Trump is doing. They don’t understand any of that. And they would say… you know, the schools did this, the schools did this, and I look back at them and I say, you’re totally right, and that’s our market right now. And you have to compete in a market you have, not a market you wish you had.
SPEAKER 18 :
Yeah, my answer to them, Andy, would be, you’re right, now what?
SPEAKER 09 :
Yeah, now what?
SPEAKER 18 :
You’re right, now what? That is your market. You are correct. That’s exactly what’s happened, and that’s why we are where we are. We’ll not argue that at all. I’ve talked about it on this program now for the past decade plus. Yes, that is correct, but now what? Right. Given that’s what we have to deal with, and this is the problem I have with the majority of Republican activists, and that’s what I’m going to call them in Colorado right now, is they don’t know the now what. They’re going to rail against the school system. Great. I am, too. I do that on a regular basis. They’re going to rail against this and rail against that, and that’s all fine and dandy. But when it comes to running a statewide election like governor, what’s your plan on winning? Because I don’t see much of you, if any of you, having any kind of strategy along those lines.
SPEAKER 09 :
John, you know which football play is their plan.
SPEAKER 18 :
Correct.
SPEAKER 09 :
Hail Mary. Correct. They have to throw it deep, get everything all at once, or it’s a failure and you’re a rhino and you’re a compromiser. Yeah, but I want to move the ball and get some first downs over the next couple election cycles. Yeah, over the next couple cycles. I just want to advance the ball a little bit, make things a little better. No! What are you, a compromiser? It doesn’t work. They’ve got to look at the market.
SPEAKER 18 :
And I guess here’s my answer to those of you that say, am I a compromiser? Sure, call me that. I’m not in my values, but let me explain. In business, there’s a lot of times with a retail customer, of course. Let me explain this. where a person’s standing there at the counter and you’re trying to deal with them and you’re trying to figure out whatever you can do to make ends really meet at the end of the day where everybody’s happy, business still makes a little money, customer is happy, and off we go. So we’re doing our best to make sure those things are happening. Now, Andy, I will say this. Typically speaking… Unless you want a business failure, you have to make a compromise with said customer because if you want to get what you want, they’re not going to give in. If they want everything they want, they’re not going to give in. So somewhere both sides are compromising. By the way, this is, folks, why we have mediation and all sorts of other things that are required for some people to even go to when these sorts of disputes come up is because somewhere in the middle is where you need to meet to get done what you need to make that situation go away.
SPEAKER 09 :
Okay, let me run with that. What you’re saying, every sale, to a degree, has to be a win-win agreement. It has to be a compromise. It has to be something where both at least perceive that they’re getting a win. Okay, that is the way it has to be perceived with the voters, our market here in Colorado. Yes, I absolutely believe we need to sell freedom and liberty to them and show them the benefits of that in their life.
SPEAKER 18 :
Absolutely.
SPEAKER 09 :
But to the degree that they haven’t accepted that yet, we look at, and this brings us back to Mark Baisley. Right. We have to look, let’s say Mark Baisley is our candidate. Right. We have to understand Mark can’t just play like he’s at a Trump rally and play to the base and win Colorado.
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SPEAKER 05 :
Hey, guys. Excellent show. You know, you’re talking about strategy for going out and winning the governorship. Yeah. And one of the things that Republicans just, I don’t know why they refuse to do this, but they refuse to go into the minority communities. Now, Steve House and Derek Wilburn did that in 2015, and they turned Pueblo. Pueblo voted for Trump. And I’m not saying that they’ve got to go in and sound like Trump. They’ve just got to go in and make a sound. Just go in there and talk about the things that concern them, and they just refuse to do that.
SPEAKER 09 :
Dave, you’re singing music to my ears because, John, why don’t you let Dave know at break who Andy said should run for governor? Derek. Derek Wilburn would be my choice.
SPEAKER 18 :
We were just talking about him, Dave.
SPEAKER 09 :
I know he wouldn’t do it.
SPEAKER 18 :
We just had that same conversation.
SPEAKER 09 :
Derek will probably put out a hit on me for even suggesting that, so I’ve endangered myself.
SPEAKER 18 :
But to your point, Dave, that’s exactly what we were just talking about a moment ago, Dave. That’d be my choice.
SPEAKER 05 :
Well, Andy and John… Hang on really quick, though, Dave.
SPEAKER 18 :
Hang on, though, Dave. We’re racist, though, so why would we pick someone like Derek to run for governor?
SPEAKER 09 :
Well, yeah, he would have to paint himself white, of course.
SPEAKER 05 :
Well, I’ve got my white woven hood hanging right next to yours, so what can I say?
SPEAKER 18 :
You’re good. You’re awesome, Dave.
SPEAKER 05 :
Love you. Andy, you guys should give Derek a call. I’m not going to say why. Andy, you’ve got his number.
SPEAKER 18 :
You should call Derrick. Really quick, Dave, back to the whole, and we will, but back to the whole strategy thing. And you know as well as I the problem that we’ve run into in Colorado that I see. And maybe if somebody can call in and correct me and tell me I’m completely wrong and that I’m way out in left field, I’m more than open to listen to that conversation. But to me, Dave, it just seems like we have angry, rage-type people with no strategy.
SPEAKER 05 :
Yes. Yes. And they can’t… Because they’re in such a rage, because they’re so angry, they can’t articulate to the people that they’re talking to. I mean, even when they do, they talk about… They use these big, giant words. They talk about… I can’t even bring one to mind. Well, really quick, let me give you an example.
SPEAKER 18 :
I think you’re on to something, Dave. Let me give you an example. I listened to an interview here lately of one of the—I’m not going to name names, but I listened to an interview lately of one of the GOP chairman candidates that’s going to be running here later in the month for the GOP chair. And, you know, one of the main— things that was being discussed that this particular person feels strongly about, and by the way, not that I disagree at all, is the whole transgenderism in schools, what’s going on with our schools themselves, and so on. And Dave, I agree with all of that, but here’s where my approach would be. You know what? These are big problems in our school system. And guess what? You know what the best way to fight against these is? Let’s promote school choice in Colorado, because with school choice, you’re going to promote competition that, by the way, will squash those things that we all as Republicans and conservatives feel so dearly about. And oh, by the way, if there’s a school out there still catering to those individuals, they won’t exist very long.
SPEAKER 09 :
Yeah, and by the way, notice how, John and Dave, you’re talking about not telling people who you want to kick out, but rather talking about freedom you want to give.
SPEAKER 17 :
Correct.
SPEAKER 09 :
Go ahead, Dave.
SPEAKER 05 :
Yes, and when you start telling people that we’re going to give you the opportunity to put your child in a safe place, school of your choice of your choice that’s right i mean people leap at that and so when we start talking about the choices that we have to offer good people are going to jump at that but when we’re you know when we talk about all these other things that you know don’t affect the pocketbook don’t affect my safety um right yeah yeah you’re right
SPEAKER 18 :
You’re right. And again, Dave, I want to make sure I go back to this. Do I feel strongly that we’re doing things wrongly in the public school system when it comes to the grooming and the transgenderism and all of that? Yes. But my answer, unlike others, is let’s promote school choice and really get that on the ballot and even run a run a measure here in Colorado for that, if you would, and make sure it’s worded correctly and so on, which some of them aren’t. Let’s do that in a way that really promotes the freedom, Dave, that you’re talking about.
SPEAKER 05 :
and ask questions. That’s what Steve and Derek did. They asked the people they were talking to questions. They went into Denver and talked to the Minority Ministerial League, and I’m not sure about the name, but a whole bunch of black churches were gathered into this one organization. They went in there and they talked to them, and it wasn’t a great meeting, But at least they got in there, they asked questions, they found out what the people were really looking for, and that’s what these Republicans need to do. And I fear, you know, without the right people like a Derek Wilburn, a Steve House, a Sherry Gibson, she was absolutely incredible. Are they going to do that? Are they going to get in there and talk to these minorities, Hispanic, blacks, whatever, and even… On the fence Democrats. Are they going to get in there and not just push our agenda?
SPEAKER 18 :
Really quick, Dave, and Andy’s opinion on this. Dave, I will tell you that even some of the quote-unquote minorities for Republicans or Trump or whatever, call them Hispanic, call them whatever, I will tell you right now that they’re some of the worst offenders at some of the things that we’re talking about right now.
SPEAKER 05 :
Oh my goodness, yes. Oh my goodness. That’s it. So hopefully… Hopefully, we can pray that they’ll do, because Trump went into the minority neighborhood. I mean, he was a tsunami in those places. We need to do that, too. They need to mimic that, but bring a message that talks directly to that neighborhood that they’re speaking to.
SPEAKER 09 :
Dave, let me ask you this before you go. I know you’ve got to run, but… Trump goes into those neighborhoods, right? I think he did two great things that really made a big difference. Number one, he was present. He actually went into those neighborhoods. But number two, he didn’t talk different. He just talked like Trump.
SPEAKER 18 :
Like he is.
SPEAKER 09 :
He didn’t change one syllable or one. He didn’t get a different accent. He didn’t talk about different stuff. He went in and talked about the same stuff because he treats all people as people, as people, as people. Doesn’t matter. What do you think?
SPEAKER 05 :
And that’s what I know. That’s what black people love about Trump. Trump is this might be a bad analogy for some people, but like Trump is Mike Tyson. Mike Tyson doesn’t take anything. Mike Tyson will get in your face. He will tell you.
SPEAKER 06 :
Yeah.
SPEAKER 05 :
And he’s not a—well, he can be, but most of the time he’s a gentle person. But when you get on his left side, you know, duh.
SPEAKER 17 :
He might bite your ear off.
SPEAKER 05 :
In fact, I was just watching—I was watching that fight today on YouTube where he bit behind his ears. He bit both—did you know he bit both ears?
SPEAKER 18 :
Oh, I didn’t know that. I didn’t know that, no. I thought it was one.
SPEAKER 05 :
He bit— He bit both ears because Evander kept headbutting him. Oh, geez. Yeah, so.
SPEAKER 18 :
That’s funny.
SPEAKER 05 :
But Trump is Trump no matter where he is. And that’s what we love about him, and he’s a fighter.
SPEAKER 1 :
Fight, fight, fight.
SPEAKER 18 :
Agree. Dave, always great comments. Love having you call in. Appreciate you very much. And Andy, he is spot on, literally. And for those of you listening that are hardcore, because I know you listen. Chuck, Julie, I know you listen as well. Ryan, I’ll watch all you guys. I know you’re all listening. You may not listen directly, but you’re going back in and listening, reading transcripts, whatever, so I know you’re listening. I know. I can see by the way you report on things and so on that you listen to us on a routine basis. I hope you just heard Dave, who, by the way, isn’t Andy or John. Dave is a black patriot from Woodland Park, and I mean that sincerely when I say patriot. He wants what’s best for this country and what’s best for this state, and you need to pay attention to guys like Dave. Yeah, you do. Am I right? Oh, absolutely. So I hope you are all listening to what Dave just said a moment ago. We’ll be right back, Golden Eagle Financial, where, yes, you can get all of your financial planning done in one place, get things handled. And you can actually hear Al tomorrow, too, between 2 and 2.30 right here on KLZ. Just go to klz560.com, sorry, klzradio.com, and find Al there. And I should give you your phone number, too. For some of you that maybe don’t have really great internet or whatever, let me give you Al’s number as well. It is 303-744-1128.
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SPEAKER 18 :
Rush to Reason, Denver’s Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560. Myself, Andy Pate, Charlie Grimes. And I just want to make sure that I’m very crystal clear on what I was talking about with Dave. Sorry, I got the hiccup. So if I hiccup, you’ll know it’s not the radio skipping. It’s me.
SPEAKER 09 :
Are you slobbering drunk again? I don’t know. Am I drinking? I don’t know what the deal is. It’s a little early.
SPEAKER 18 :
Anyways.
SPEAKER 09 :
It’s not 5 o’clock.
SPEAKER 18 :
All of a sudden got the hiccups. Anyways. Let me make sure I’m clear. Am I against transgenders in school? Pandering to that whole end of things, absolutely. Am I against grooming and things that would happen inside of… By the way, any school. Public, private, doesn’t matter. I’m against that on any level. Doesn’t matter what level it’s on. I’m all for protecting kids at the end of the day, Andy.
SPEAKER 1 :
100%.
SPEAKER 18 :
My point, though, is… Would I make it the focal point of me running for GOP chair? No. I would make things like, okay, what are we going to do as a party to win? What’s going to be our strategy to get the right candidates in the right areas and help them win? What am I going to do to help those candidates once we’ve actually got to that point where they’re now running? And by the way, I would make a pledge that I’m not going to go against any of them that would actually end up winning GOP. the, you know, primary, for example. In fact, I’m not going to even pick winners and losers in the primary. On and on we go. So at the end of the day, I want to make sure I’m clear on that because I’m very much in the line of thought on those things. But the approach is all wrong.
SPEAKER 09 :
Well, let me be honest, John. The very first thing that we need for the Colorado Republican Party is a complete culture change. Yes. Initially, it can’t even be about winning. Because right now, we’ve got a party that is in no way, shape, or form even marketable in Colorado. No. We’ve got a president in Washington who, to a degree, is. OK, not as much in Colorado as a lot of states, but at least he’s somewhat marketable. But when you’ve got the party being run, you know, and here’s the thing. People think like that. I must hate Dave Williams, as I’ve said many times. I know you’ve gotten to where you kind of do.
SPEAKER 18 :
I hate what he’s done.
SPEAKER 09 :
You hate what he’s done to the party. That’s right. i don’t have to me there’s nothing personal about it all i care is about marketability of our product okay because we are a product if we want liberty we have to sell it to others and get them to vote okay and my only i have no concerns personally about anybody who’s at the colorado gop none okay i i don’t care i don’t know them personally it’s not that at all it’s just that Dave came on. He was talking about, okay, you’ve got to go into these neighborhoods and talk to these people, and he was right. But how can we sell, say, Mark Baisley to all of Colorado if our state party is run by people whose top issues are… Election integrity, in other words, stop the steal. That was 2020, folks. Stop the steal and get out of the open primary. In other words, tell half the state’s voters, get off our lawn. Right. Okay. Those are the top two issues animating all those who are running our state party, along with grooming. OK, I mean, do you see where I’m going with this? I do. These are not with most voters in Colorado. These aren’t even top 20 issues. OK, they’re not in the top 20. And our state party is fixated on them. And here’s the problem. Mark Baisley is going to have to, to some degree, kiss the ring of those people if he wants them to show up on Election Day.
SPEAKER 18 :
Therein lies part of the problem, Andy.
SPEAKER 09 :
That’s the problem, because we have to have total turnout amongst Republicans and then reach a bunch of independents.
SPEAKER 18 :
Yeah, and I’m afraid that there’s already individuals out there that are on that hardcore side that already look at Mark as a somewhat rhino.
SPEAKER 09 :
Yeah, and they shouldn’t. Mark is a great conservative.
SPEAKER 18 :
He’s an absolute wonderful man.
SPEAKER 09 :
Yeah, and once again, I guarantee you, if I sat down and talked about issue after issue after issue with Dave Williams, I guarantee you we would line up at least 99% of the time. We agree on everything, okay? We do. I’m sure we do. And I don’t even know his views. I’m just sure we do, okay? It’s not that hard, folks. We can work together. We have to just not attack our own all the time. It’s strategy. And we can’t, you know, put up this Liberty scorecard and say you have to hit like a 90 whatever percent of this or we’re not going to put you up for governor in Colorado. That’s ridiculous. It’s a blue state.
SPEAKER 18 :
Right. Am I making sense? You make total sense, Andy. And what’s that old saying? It’s not what you say, it’s how you say it. That’s the problem the Colorado GOP has right now. It’s not what they’re saying is wrong. You and I agree with – other than the primary thing. You and I agree with the majority of their stance on everything else.
SPEAKER 09 :
Yeah, of course.
SPEAKER 18 :
It’s how you approach – it’s your strategy. It’s how you approach it. It’s how you say it. It’s how you collectively get people to buy in. to what you’re doing and what you’re trying to promote, correct?
SPEAKER 10 :
Exactly, yeah.
SPEAKER 18 :
And that’s where we’re lacking right now as a party in Colorado is that whole, well, I’ll tell you right now, we’re lacking the whole buy-in thing even from folks like Andy and I. I mean, I’m as hardcore Republican conservative as it’s going to get. I’m not bought into leadership and what’s going on in the Colorado GOP in Colorado right now.
SPEAKER 09 :
No, neither am I. Well, you know why? Because they’re ignoring the market. You know, John, in the next hour, I’m going to talk about my movie reviews last Friday and how a lot of movie critics totally ignored the market when they were giving their reviews, and boy, did that show over the weekend. I’m telling you, it’s not just politics. It’s in every area of life. It’s politics. It’s even church, okay? It’s business, obviously, and everywhere else, you’ve got to listen to the market.
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SPEAKER 18 :
All right, we are back. Rush to Reason, Denver’s Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560. A minute and a half or so left here of this particular hour. Still have the hiccups, as you can tell. I don’t know how I’m going to get rid of them, but anyways. The calling card, let me say it that way, of the current Colorado GOP leadership should be this, Andy. No compromise. Yeah. Even though these are individuals, and I’m going to ask some of you, by the way, just a direct question, because, again, I know a lot of you listen. You’re the no compromise arm of the GOP right now in Colorado. You’re the no compromise arm.
SPEAKER 09 :
Yeah, the market, when they look at our party, thanks to our leadership in Colorado, they see a party that they feel will not compromise at all.
SPEAKER 18 :
So these same people, though, I’m going to ask, are you telling me you’ve never compromised with your other half? In other words, you two agree on every single thing that you do, and there’s never any kind of compromise? You don’t have any kind of compromises with things you do in your job or with your kids or with anything along those lines at all? In other words, you’re such a non-compromising individual that you rule with an iron fist, I guess? I mean, Andy, am I thinking correctly? 24. all your customers to pay top dollar even if they don’t want to do you ever compromise and give them a good deal I mean it’s ridiculous it doesn’t work in real life no Andy the world is full of and I would even challenge a lot of these folks that are listening you guys consider yourself to be hardcore evangelical Christians go tell me how many times compromise happened in the Bible from God himself Go tell me how many times in Scripture compromise actually happened, even with God himself. And no, I’m not going to get into all of the things of, well, God always knows the answer.
SPEAKER 09 :
Hey, if I find even one good person there, will you not destroy the city?
SPEAKER 18 :
Thank you, Andy. Thank you, and many others. Sorry, I went way old school there. Even Moses being called and him saying, well, God, I can’t do this on my own. I have the hiccups and I stutter like John’s doing. Yeah, I need a brother. I need an Andy to come and speak for me. And God said, well, I really want you, but okay, I guess so. Was that not a compromise? I mean, I get it. God is God. He knew how the conversation was going to go and so on.
SPEAKER 09 :
But he works with us.
SPEAKER 18 :
Thank you. He gets it. Thank you.
SPEAKER 09 :
God’s perfect, but he knows we’re not. I know that supposedly the Colorado GOP is perfect. At least Rhino Watch says so. But can they at least understand that maybe, just maybe, the market is not? Is that fair?
SPEAKER 18 :
That’s very fair. So, again, some of you that are listening that are hardcore in that camp, I challenge you to go do what I just said a moment ago and look up how many times in the Bible compromise actually happened and tell me then why are you the no-compromise arm of the party. I’ll leave it at that. We’ll come back another full hour. Two hours, by the way, coming your way. Rush to Reason, Denver’s Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560.
SPEAKER 1 :
Thank you. I’m a rich guy.
