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Join us on Rush to Reason as Host John Rush dives into a controversial exploration of the COVID-19 vaccines with experts Dr. Kelly Victory and Steve House. This episode unveils startling increases in health complications like myocarditis and strokes among young adults post-vaccine rollout. The guests shed light on extensive data suppression by mainstream media and discuss the trust deficiency in public health messaging. Discover why the purported safety of mRNA vaccines remains under fire and what truth lies beneath the surface. We further dive into the depths of U.S. history as an intriguing revelation from the JFK files
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And we are here on this fine Thursday, first day of spring. Rush to Reason, Denver’s Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560. Dr. Kelly Victory joining us. I’ll pull her up first. Dr. Kelly, welcome.
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Thanks for having me, as always.
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We appreciate it. Steve House with us as well. Steve, happy first day of spring.
SPEAKER 13 :
Thank you. I’m not so happy today, but it’s still the first day of spring.
SPEAKER 12 :
Still first day of spring. So, again, those of you listening, yes, it’s not super warm here today, but, you know, it will be just around the corner. For those of you wondering, hey, I just tuned in. Who are these two people? Dr. Kelly Victory has been with us for a long time during this hour, all through COVID, so five years or so. And you can find all about her by going to our website, RushToReason.com. Steve House and I have been talking for a decade plus, off and on, for years. In fact, most cases, Steve, at least once a month, if not more, and for the past four years, almost once a week. I would say that’s at least. You’re right. Text, talk, radio shows.
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You name it. Send into each other once in a while. Yep.
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That’s right. You name it. All right. All right, guys. Lots to talk about today. We’ll get right into it. And for those of you listening, if you have a question for Dr. Kelly or Steve, by all means, send us a text message. 307-282-22. I want to start with this. I got a… Press release the other day, Dr. Kelly, and rather than having anybody else on, we talk about this stuff on an ongoing basis. I don’t need any other special guests. But official government data now shows a 73% increase in the number of young adults and teens suffering heart attack, myocarditis, and stroke since the COVID-19 vaccine rolled out. And why are we not hearing that more in mainstream media?
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Well, it continues to be covered up by the mainstream media. This data has been out there, to be clear, for years. In fact, the large pharmaceutical manufacturers of the mRNA shots knew before the shots were ever released to the public that there was a significant risk of developing myocarditis. That risk is greatest in young males between the ages of 13 to 18, but we’ve seen it across the spectrum of ages and in both males and females. Now we finally are getting access to some of the larger bodies of data that have allowed people like Nick Holscher, who is an epidemiologist who works with Dr. Peter McCullough, to pull together these data sets in ways that he can make them available. But the damage has been done. It was known before these shots were released to the public. It was clear to anybody who was treating patients clinically that there was a significant increase. We were gaslit and told, no, it’s not true. You’re an anti-vaxxer. You’re a conspiracy theorist, whatever. And it will be decades before we truly understand the full amount of the damage that was done to people who took these shots.
SPEAKER 12 :
I get it, and we’ll talk a little bit about maybe where those shots even came from. Steve, you sent some things out earlier, and this is kind of, I guess you could say, old news, but maybe resurfacing news in the fact that some of this gain of function and things that were happening were right here on U.S. soil, correct? Yeah, the revelation.
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I mean, besides what we’ve seen in the Kennedy files, which I shared, and that’s a big one by itself, and it’s a very, very tip, tiny tip over the iceberg. But the other thing is knowing now that Fauci took – COVID virus from Wuhan and took it to a lab in Montana a year before COVID hit in America, that in and of itself, I mean, maybe he needed blanket immunity because we’re going to find out that he literally was curating it there the way that the military was working 60 years prior on something else. So it’s one thing. But the other thing that’s crazy is there’s still a million children getting vaccinated every month with COVID vaccines here in America. I mean, the extent of the problem that Peter and the guys are looking at is where we are right now, but it’s not static. It’s going to get worse because we’re still vaccinating people.
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Dr. Kelly, along those lines, and I know we’ve talked about this one in the past, and I get it. The news media, mainstream media, CDC, others have been really good at propagating the myth that this is somehow going to save your life and that we should be vaccinating kids against COVID and so on. The reality is you didn’t need one from day one. We covered all of that all the way through. through COVID, gave people all sorts of ideas on how to stay more healthy and so on. I guess for me personally, Dr. Kelly, and I know I’ve been involved with you and Steve from the start, but some of this, I just shake my head and say, you can’t be this dumb, can you?
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No, this is purposeful ignorance of the data. This is ignoring the data. We know not only do these shots not prevent you from getting COVID, but we have study after study, including some huge ones, the 50,000 plus patients out of the Cleveland Clinic that proved that the more shots you get for COVID, the more likely you are to contract the virus. So not only are they not protective, there’s negative efficacy. And that’s before you even get into the ill effects from the shots themselves. You have this data about them causing blood clots. You have data about it causing myocarditis. You have data about it causing all sorts of neurologic complications. Yet the shots are still out there. So you’re talking about a shot that doesn’t prevent the disease. It actually makes your chances of getting it worse. And it does not prevent the transmission of the disease to others. There’s not a shred of evidence that shows that it decreases your risk of hospitalization or death. And it has a host of severe side effects. How in the world are they still pushing it? It is willful ignorance of the data.
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Okay, so go to you first, and I’ll go to Steve. Do you feel like the new administration and the changes that are being made, and I realize that there’s a lot that’s going to come quickly, and there’s a lot on the plate of folks like RFK Jr. Do you see any of this changing, though? I get it, not the immediate future, but in the near future.
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Well, it sure needs to happen in the near future for people to have any renewed faith in public health. Unfortunately, this new administration and I have the highest respect for Robert Kennedy Jr. I know his heart is in the right place, but he’s been fighting out of a corner since the day he was confirmed. They keep throwing new crises, quote unquote, largely manufactured, whether it’s measles or bird flu or whatever else, new manufactured crises. And unfortunately, they have yet to appoint someone who is an articulate, credible person. spokesperson who can help to message this to the American people. You cannot simply fight in crisis mode full time. He, meaning Robert Kennedy Jr. and HHS, need to show that they are able to address the, you know, crisis du jour, whether that’s, you know, bird flu or measles, and at the same time, start addressing all of these other myriad things that are on the radar for most Americans, which includes everything from the childhood vaccine schedule to just articulating the relationship between big pharma and people in Congress to changing, you know, eliminating pharmaceutical advertising on television and a lot of things that would not be considered, quote, emergencies. But we need to be able to do those things simultaneously. You know, as a physician, you know, I’m a trauma specialist. I can’t just take care of the single gunshot wound I have in room one. I have, you know, 20 other rooms behind me that I need to be able to manage at the same time.
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Makes total sense. Steve, your thoughts on all of that and you being on the admin side have maybe some insight into some of this as well.
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Well, I agree with what Kelly’s perspective is on the distraction for Bobby Kennedy. The one thing I do not understand is why haven’t they stopped the COVID vaccine? I mean, I can’t imagine him coming into office on day one and not saying, where’s the piece of paper that says I’m going to halt all distribution of COVID vaccines? I don’t know the answer to that. Do you, Kelly?
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Well, my conjecture is that it’s because President Trump, unfortunately, has not yet come out and acknowledged that the vaccines were not a big success. You know, to this day, he has said, you know, they were a huge success. They saved millions of lives, things that unfortunately simply aren’t true. I will grant you he personally did not have any reason to understand that this was going to be a disaster. He was unfortunately surrounded by people who were dishonest, corrupt, presented fraudulent data. But now, given where he is in his second term, he needs to come out and say this experiment. And that’s what it was. ended up being a disaster or a minimum, not the success that I was told that it would be. And until President Trump is willing to do that, I think Robert Kennedy Jr. and whoever heads up the CDC or the FDA is going to have a hard time coming out and saying, these shots are bad, and we’re going to pull them. They need some at least tacit buy-in by the president, who, you know, considered the mRNA rollout of, you know, these COVID vaccine rollout to be, you know, one of the highlights of his last administration.
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Yeah, there’s a part of me that believes that, I mean, I get what you’re saying, and I’m sure that that’s probably what’s at play here, but there’s a part of me that says if I was advising him, I’d say, look, Mr. President, Let Bobby do it. Say, look, we now know or we’ve known for a while now that they don’t prevent transmission. And frankly, they may actually cause people to get the virus more often. And therefore, there’s no good reason for people to get the vaccine. So we’re going to discontinue them. We’re going to take them off the list. We’re going to take them out of the possibilities because they just aren’t that helpful. And no one needs to get extra drugs or whatever, put in them for no reason and stay away from Trump ever making a statement. Something’s got to be done though, because what they’re creating is they’re creating risks for a million kids a month and they just shouldn’t be doing that. That’ll be a legacy. Yeah.
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Yeah. Yeah. I agree with you a hundred percent. And again, it comes down to lack of a credible spokesperson and, They need someone out front articulating this and saying, this is what we’re going to do, taking it out so that you’re never going to get Trump to make a mea culpa about this. And so the only way to do it is to have somebody who is an independent party stand up there as the spokesperson for HHS and say, This is what we’re doing. As of this moment, we are pulling all mRNA shots off the market because of the data that is overwhelming.
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Until further testing, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. That’s all they have to say.
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Yep.
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Now, really quick, in defense of, and I’ll say this, in defense of Trump and his current admin on one side with everything he’s got going on with, you know, tariffs in Ukraine and Russia and Israel, I mean, he’s got all sorts of things going on. And, you know, we’ve got a great White House press secretary that does a great job on that side. Frankly, I’m with you guys. We need exactly that same format with a different press secretary for HHS, if you would, that would do the exact same thing that Carolyn Leavitt is doing only on the other side of the aisle.
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Correct. 100 percent. You know, you need you’ve got to show the American people if you want to regain trust, if you want to regain anybody’s ear, because that was one of the hugest problems with COVID. That’s right. That we lost the complete trust of the American people in public health and the health care system. And if you want to start regaining that, you better start showing that you are capable of not only addressing the crises. but articulating it and addressing the other myriad things that are concerning to the American people that are not crises. That’s how you do it. And you have to have somebody at the helm with a microphone on a very regular basis who’s able to articulate that.
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Steve, I know somebody that could fit that position real well, by the way. I think her name is Dr. Kelly.
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I was going to say, John, my next comment was going to be it needs to be a doc. They need to be smart. They need to be media savvy. And they need to have a mass casualty background because this thing is a mass casualty event.
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Yes.
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I would nominate you in a heartbeat, Dr. Kelly. Kelly, when are you interviewing Kelly? Just go ahead. Spit it out.
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Well, they know what they need. Rest assured. Rest assured. They know what it is they need.
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No liberal media bias here. This is Rush to Reason. And we are back on this fine Thursday, first day of spring. Dr. Kelly Victory and Steve House with me. Steve, let’s go to you first since you sent this out a little earlier to Dr. Kelly and I. And that is some of the findings that have come out of the JFK files. And I’ve got another guest coming on Monday to talk a little bit about that. But you found some things that were interesting in there about Lyme disease.
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Yeah, Mike Benz is a really good, really, really good investigative guy. He’s been on this for a while, but apparently the part of what came out in the files was officially there’s data in there supporting the theory that was written about and speculated about that the U.S. military created Lyme disease, and then they were authorized to use it in Cuba. And the theory was if you drop a bunch of ticks, you know, into Cuba, you will infect the farmers who will then be lethargic, sick and unable to work. You will then create a food shortage and you could overthrow the Castro-based government. So that was the theory that came out of there. As part of their investigation, ironically, the Montana lab where they were injecting ticks with Lyme disease or creating it and creating a bioweapon, if you will, to Lyme disease is the same lab that Fauci used a year prior to COVID being released to work on the COVID virus itself.
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Do you feel like, Steve, that the reason why, because I keep wondering, okay, wait a minute, if there’s not any smoking gun on the assassination itself, which doesn’t sound like there may be a whole lot in that particular area, but maybe they have been sequestering these files for all these years because of this sort of stuff you’re talking about, not the actual assassination.
SPEAKER 13 :
Yeah, you know, I do think there’ll be more coming out regarding the assassination itself. I mean, there’s 80,000 pages. It can take people a little bit of time to dig into it, but… Think about this for a minute. I mean, when I read it, I was angry. I know people who’ve had Lyme disease. It’s no picnic. I mean, Kelly knows better than I do. I mean, it’s no picnic. It’s a very debilitating thing. sickening process. And they got it because we created it to do a overthrow of a government in the 60s, in the early 60s, in Cuba. And now it’s worldwide. It’s a global threat or problem. I mean, I don’t want it today in Colorado. I mean, you know, Rocky Mountain spotted fever came from a tick. Did they create that too? So I got to believe people who’ve suffered from Lyme disease are going to be incredibly angry over this.
SPEAKER 12 :
Dr. Kelly, that was going to be my next question is not only everything Steve just said, which I’ll get your opinion on, but on top of that, now you start questioning how many other things have been lab grown and not came from nature?
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Well, I think that that’s exactly the point. The idea that we have been manipulating pathogens in the laboratory. whether you are creating something from scratch or you are doing gain of function, which is taking an existing pathogen and weaponizing it by making it more resistant to treatment or more virulent, more capable of causing severe disease, whatever it is, it is highly problematic. Lab leaks happen all the time. So even if it weren’t for nefarious intent where you’re purposely dropping it on a population, These things do get out of the lab. Hundreds and hundreds of lab leaks occur every year. And these are experiments and testing and manipulation that are happening in labs. in the united states whether it’s montana or you know we know that h5n1 bird flu the current bird flu is being manipulated by the usda the u.s government the usda lab in athens georgia with an attempt to make that bird flu virus more transmissible human to human now why would someone do that left to its own bird flu really it does not pass human to human It’s only been a risk to people in direct contact with infected animals. Yet they manipulated it. And now I guarantee we will start to see human to human transmission. Lyme disease. It is certainly possible that any number of other illnesses either were created by our own government or made more severe, made worse by our own government. I think that people are going to be angry. And I believe that the theory that there are many things in those pages and pages of documents that have been withheld from the public that are related to things other than the assassination attempt itself and have to do with things of this nature that they did not ever want to see the light of day.
SPEAKER 12 :
Well, because you’ve got to ask yourself, Steve, and I’m with you, I think some other things on the assassination, more details may come out, but again, I’ve always wondered, okay, wait a minute, that was before I was born. I mean, that’s how old that whole situation is, and the reality is we have kept that stuff from the public this entire time. What would have been the harm even 20 years ago in releasing some of that information? Well, evidently, a lot.
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Well, yeah, I mean, you have an environment now where people don’t trust the federal government. Many don’t trust the state government, especially in Colorado. But you have this environment where people don’t trust the government. And then you find out you may find out that the CIA had a significant role in the Kennedy assassination. It may have been Lee Harvey Oswald and several others, you know, that were there. But this kind of thing is think about this. This is a disease. You know what they called it? They referred to it as a humanitarian war, which means that you’re not going to kill hundreds of thousands of people with it. You’re just going to make a bunch of people sick to the point where you can then overthrow their government. That’s a central intelligence agency type thing. You know, doing it in Cuba, the Cuban Missile Crisis, JFK’s situation. I mean, they may have killed him over the fact that he put a stop to it at some point. So that’s probably why it’s in there, something to that effect. But you don’t release this because it implicates the U.S. government, just like. Fauci taking COVID virus, making predictions. Everybody was predicting a pandemic during Trump’s presidency. Well, no damn wonder. They were bringing the virus from Wuhan to Montana to do more with it to get ready for that pandemic. Those guys should be in jail. They should be in jail for the rest of their life. The Lyme disease creation is the same deal, in my opinion.
SPEAKER 12 :
On top of that, Dr. Kelly, and it’ll never happen, but we should be fining China for some of this as well. I get it. We had a lab there. We were complicit and or helped in a lot of this as well. But you know what? They shouldn’t get off scot-free either.
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I agree with you. This extends so far beyond the tremendous toll that the COVID virus took or that Lyme disease takes on people’s lives. It kills people, the cost to the medical system, the fact that it destroyed people’s lives and livelihoods. But it goes way beyond that because it’s this overwhelming distrust that people have now developed in our own government that is a very dangerous place to be this is the stuff that civil wars are made of this is the stuff that revolutions are made up when you all of a sudden when the masses no longer trust their elected officials When there is vast, vast disdain for elected officials, when people do not believe the media and they go to their own. So this whole thing is really bad for society. It goes so far beyond the personal loss, the death and the suffering of individuals from disease. And it goes way more to the heart of what actually the foundational structure of our country is.
SPEAKER 12 :
And this is where, Steve, to Dr. Kelly’s point, and by the way, I agree with both of you, and we’ve talked about this numerous times, the reality of average Americans, and I get it, there’s still a lot out there that believe wholeheartedly in their government and in the medical realm and so on. I frankly am sorry. I’m not one of those individuals. individuals not that there’s not some great hospitals and doctors and facilitators and things like that i’m not saying that all are bad but what i’m saying steve is there is now a huge distrust in all of that and it’s going to take literally i’m sorry to say steve it’s going to take many years and a lot of effort to get that back and my fear is we may have an administration now that’s trying to get that back but what happens after that
SPEAKER 13 :
Well, I mean, it couldn’t fail before it’s done, right? I mean, there’s still, there’s, I mean, there’s a lot of people who believe that on our side of the aisle, that Trump’s election saved America. It has a chance to save America, but there’s a lot that has to get done because the other side from the Tesla stuff to you name it, I mean, they’re all going to fight back. I had somebody mentioned to me the other day that, you know, how did I feel about Trump being my King? And I said, I don’t view Trump as a king. I view him as a guy that’s disrupting a federal government that thought it was God. And so unless you break that down and make the government work for us, I mean, Lyme disease, COVID, manufacturing that stuff is one of the most anti-freedom things you could possibly do. Absolutely. You’re invading my body without my permission, and you are going to make me sick or dead, and you’re going to do it without telling me and then lie about it even if I find out.
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SPEAKER 12 :
All right, we are back. Dr. Kelly Victory and Steve House again on this fine first day of spring. Appreciate you all listening. Okay, let’s shift over for just one moment. Sort of in the same vein, Dr. Kelly, but RFK Jr. did talk about how he wants to now start, and he’s launching Operation Stork Speed to ensure baby formula is safe, nutritious, free from harmful toxins. By the way, all great. I’m all for that, but… I mean, kind of going back to what we talked about in the first half of the hour today, wouldn’t we be better off just ending the RNA vaccines altogether for young people in general?
SPEAKER 03 :
Well, there’s absolutely no question that one of the first things that needs to happen is addressing getting the mRNA off the market and making sure that we, until extensive further research is done, not just COVID vaccines, but all of the other vaccines that are ready to launch or are being with mRNA. So that absolutely needs to happen. But I do approve of the fact that he’s doing other things, including looking at because he said he would do this. Bobby Kennedy said he would do this going into this nomination. And ultimately, now that he’s in place, he said he would look at the food sources and the safety of of the things that we are giving our children. He needs to look at the formula. He needs to evaluate extensively the nutritional components of school lunch programs and make sure that anybody who’s getting federal subsidies to provide or participate in the school lunch program is providing foods that are actually nutritious and devoid of toxic ingredients. Those things are really important, so I support that. He’s been trying to get rid of what’s called the grass loophole, G-R-A-S, meaning that food manufacturers have been allowed to get around extensive testing when they include an ingredient that is, quote, generally regarded as safe, G-R-A-S. So they add these things that have not actually been adequately tested. They say, yes, but in the industry, these things are generally regarded as safe, so we can add these things to our foods. And Bobby Kennedy said, no, we are going to actually require you to do the extensive testing prove that the things you are putting in the foods that our people, particularly our children, are eating are actually safe. And I think that those are good initiatives.
SPEAKER 12 :
Okay, so, and not to put you on the spot, but give me an example of something that would be generally regarded as safe that may not be.
SPEAKER 03 :
Well, there are largely things that are chemical additives. When you look at something that, you know, monosodium glutamate, something that’s added as a as a salt or as a preservative to something like MSG or things that haven’t actually been tested the way that we’ve been led to believe that they have. And instead what they say is, yeah, but they’ve been consumed by millions and millions of people without, quote, ill effect, so therefore it’s generally regarded as safe. And we don’t know that maybe many of the things that we’re suffering from are actually a result of these things, and it turns out that they aren’t actually as safe as we were led to believe that they were.
SPEAKER 12 :
I guess the other thing, not being a chemist or anything along those lines, but I would also tend to believe that don’t certain things respond or react differently to other things in combination, meaning that while it may have been generally safe in that last item, given that we’re now combining it with something different this time around, wouldn’t that change the makeup of said food and then need to be tested, or am I stupid?
SPEAKER 03 :
No, it certainly might. You don’t know, for example, when you add it to a food that’s acidic. You know, you add this item in something that has no acid in it, it might be fine. But if you add it to, you know, orange juice or something with lemon juice, something with acid in it, that it may modify. You know, I have no idea. I’m making these, you know, I’m not using a particular example. But yes, it’s not unreasonable to think that something might be affected. We need to look at so many components of our food system. We can start with the simple low-hanging fruit, like the idea of the fertilizers and pesticides that are being used. sprayed on our fruits and vegetables and our crops i think many many people believe that they have a quote gluten sensitivity or a gluten allergy or an issue with gluten when the problem isn’t with gluten at all it’s with what’s being sprayed on the the grain products you know because i have many many patients who say they have this horrible gluten problem when they’re in the united states But they can go to Italy and eat pasta and pizza and bread all day long with nary a problem. Well, in that case, it’s not gluten they’re having a problem with. It’s something about how we are processing these flours in this country.
SPEAKER 12 :
Got it. Steve, what comments do you want to add to that? And thank you, Dr. Kelly. That makes a lot of sense that these are things I did not know prior.
SPEAKER 13 :
It’s been decades and decades and decades of development of things that will get you to eat more food. I mean, high fructose corn syrup’s there, but it’s the 10,000 ingredients that they don’t use in Europe and other places on foods that are the real problem. Turning it around is going to be… I mean, the pasta example in Italy is a perfect example, right? I mean, I can’t eat pancakes and things like that. If I go to Italy, I can eat anything I want. And I know it’s true. It has to be this ingredient and stuff. And generally assumed to be safe stuff that the agriculture industry is using, it makes it easier to produce food faster and people don’t die of starvation in this country anymore. Most of the time we’ve even been here. But the turnaround is going to be difficult because it’s going to taste different. It’s not going to be as appealing. It’s not going to be as satisfying. It’ll take a while. It’s like two weeks. If you go two weeks without salt, you don’t crave salt anymore. But there’s going to have to be a huge transition. I don’t envy the process, but it’s 100% necessary that we do it. Okay.
SPEAKER 12 :
Makes total sense. And thank you, Dr. Kelly. Again, these are things that, frankly, I was not aware of. And by the way, if I’m not, I don’t think a lot of other people are as well.
SPEAKER 03 :
Exactly. And so I think, you know, we’ve made an entire industry out of, you know, gluten-free. There are aisles in the grocery store, entire menus, entire restaurant chains that are, you know, about gluten-free. Actually, it’d be interesting to see if you just said, no, we’re going to eliminate glycosates. You know, you cannot spray, you know, Roundup. You cannot spray pesticides and fertilizers that we use rampantly in this country on our grains. and start limiting their exposure to all these toxic chemicals, we might find that there’s no need for an entire gluten-free aisle in the grocery store. The number of people who actually have celiac disease is somewhere in the range of half of 1%. But if you poll people on who believes they have a gluten issue, It’s, you know, somewhere upwards of around 15 or 20 percent of people. So I would submit to you that there’s a small, small, small percentage of people who have true celiac disease and the rest of people are likely reacting to additives that are toxic and are mixed in with the flowers that have led them to believe that their issue is with the gluten.
SPEAKER 12 :
And the reality is we’re not testing that. Correct. Make sure that I’m correct. We’re not testing that mainly because of all sorts of other factors. I’m guessing food lobbyists and on and on and on we go. Am I correct?
SPEAKER 03 :
Exactly, because it makes it, as Steve said, you know, the big ag does those things that will make it easier, cheaper, faster for them to produce in quantity whatever their product is and to expand shelf life. You know, there’s a reason that a Twinkie. has a freshness date of like three decades. Any pastry product, quote unquote, that you can keep around for more than a year probably isn’t actually a pastry product. And if you compare that to what you get in most of Europe, they’re profoundly different. I’ve said before, if you take Even based on the same manufacturer, a box of Kellogg’s Fruit Loops in the United States has something like 27 ingredients. A box of Kellogg’s Fruit Loops sold in the U.K. has five ingredients. There are 22 other things that we are allowed to add here in the United States, largely artificial colorings, artificial flavorings, preservatives, flavor enhancers, and all sorts of other things that make these foods not only have long shelf life, but addictive, so that you don’t just want one bowl of Froot Loops, you want three. You know, and you eat the whole dang box. And that’s what happened. You know, there’s a reason our obesity issue here in the United States is very much linked to the sorts of additives, the fact that You know, McDonald’s is allowed to add massive amounts of sugar to their French fries. You don’t know it. You don’t taste it as sugar. But it makes you want a bunch of them because of the addictive nature of sugar.
SPEAKER 12 :
It’s funny, really quick, you use McDonald’s as an example. I’ve been following a guy on social media that, I’m not joking, well over a month ago, took a cheeseburger, McDonald’s cheeseburger, quarter pounder, I believe, stuck it on top of his bookshelf next to the kitchen, and I’m not joking, and has just left it there. It has not shrunk. It hasn’t molded. It hasn’t started smelling. It literally, Dr. Kelly and Steve, has sat in the same format, basically. He’s like, yeah, you can tell that the bread’s maybe a little bit more rubbery now than it once was, but that thing hasn’t really changed much at all from the day he put it up there.
SPEAKER 03 :
No, I’ve seen some great videos of people who did this.
SPEAKER 12 :
Well over a month, Steve. Well over a month. Oh, my God. Okay. Yeah, you can comment on that because you’ve seen some of the same things, I’m guessing.
SPEAKER 03 :
Oh, no. I have friends who’ve done it with some of these, quote, ice cream, quote, unquote, novelty. Right. Where they take them, unwrap them, leave them on the countertop, and four weeks later, they’re in the same form. They don’t even melt. They haven’t melted a bit.
SPEAKER 12 :
That’s right.
SPEAKER 03 :
No. That’s right. Because of so much plastic or whatever it is that they blow in there to make it this fluffy ice cream product, you get a little bit of stickiness on the countertop, but it is not made of, quote, ice cream. Right. anymore. It is terrifying what we are allowing people to eat. So I applaud anything that HHS or Robert Kennedy can do with regard to exposing some of these things and saying we aren’t going to allow it. And you can certainly use the power of the purse, for example. I’m not saying that you ban a particular food additive. The way to do it is by financial incentives. You say you can put whatever you want in your foods, you know, big ag. But you can’t participate in our school lunch program. You’re not going to get federal dollars to provide lunch for our public schools if your foods include X, Y, and Z. You do whatever you want, but you’re going to lose that particular market. You lose that contract. Yeah.
SPEAKER 12 :
Yeah, that makes sense.
SPEAKER 03 :
And it will change their behavior.
SPEAKER 12 :
Steve, I’m following Dr. Kelly along with this, and I agree. And, yes, I’ve seen some of these tests that have been done, and it’s absolutely fascinating when you look at this and think, holy cow, and I in the past have ingested those things. I don’t anymore, but over the years, yes, in fact, when need be, you ingested those things, and it’s almost like, holy cow, how can that be good for us? There’s no way it can. But the question I’ve got for you, Steve, is, The administration itself, HHS, and I’m talking Trump and all of that, but organizationally speaking, how do they get all of these things done, and do they have or do they need somebody like a Steve House and or a Dr. Kelly that will come alongside and say, guys, here’s our step-by-step plan on how we’re going to attack all of these things. And by the way, we need some offense, not just defense, as Dr. Kelly was saying earlier. We don’t want to just be stuck in the corner continually fighting off the bad guy. We want to be able to go on the offense. How do they do that, Steve?
SPEAKER 13 :
First of all, for the record, I had four bowls of Froot Loops this morning, not just three. Think about this like a car mechanic, John. In the car, you have a key. You can’t get a key in the ignition. It’s a problem that’s absolutely obvious. It’s known you’ve got to fix it. Once you turn it, you don’t hear anything. You’ve got an alternator or a battery problem. So there’s some really big problems there. that exists that bobby and hhs can take care of and some of them are literally the food right i mean we have people taking you know probiotics prebiotic stuff for their stomach unlike any time in history because what we’re putting in our stomachs is so bad true that we have to do it so i i would tell you i think and kelly made disputes i think there’s five or six major problems that are absolutely obvious, like a dent in the fender, right? And they have to be fixed. Once you get through those things and once they get into those things, they’re going to find out that there’s some other problems that make it hard to fix them. So when the lobbyists come out and say, yeah, we can do that, but we’re going to cut the food supply by a third. So, you know, people are going to be hungry. So what do you want to do? You want to cut the food supply by a third or you want to keep people fed? Political realities will jump up. People will fight against it because, you know, they make all these issues out of Social Security and Medicare. Trump’s never said he was going to cut them. They all make political hay out of it. So I think you go after those five or six. You go after them hard, hard, hard. And hopefully once you’ve done that, all the other stuff will trend toward those major issues and it will become more positive. But I don’t think there’s anything more you can do with that in four years.
SPEAKER 12 :
Dr. Kelly, the other question I have for you is everything Steve, I think, said is correct, by the way. I think everything he said is correct. Here’s the question I’ve got. We are a society today, partly why we’ve even gotten into this situation with the food end of things. We want instant responses. We want an instant satisfaction, instant gratification right now. So all of these things that we’re talking about, we get these things implemented. We start getting the food supply working better. Here’s the question I’ve got. Will people… feel well enough faster to actually then have buy-in?
SPEAKER 03 :
Well, it’s a great question. You’re correct. We are a society that requires, demands instant gratification. People do not want to do anything that is difficult. It’s why a drug like Ozempic is so popular, because it’s so much easier to take a weekly shot than to actually diet and exercise, to eat healthfully. People don’t want to do anything difficult. And they certainly don’t want to be hungry or have to make an additional stop, you know, to pick up vegetables or make their own dinner or whatever else. So it’s going to have to be a slow process. I agree 100 percent with Steve that you’ve got to just take a small chunk, take three or four or five key things. and try to get them done during this administration. I think one of the most impactful, personally, would be getting pharmaceutical advertising off of television. I think that, by itself, would be relatively easy to do.
SPEAKER 14 :
Okay?
SPEAKER 03 :
Let’s face it, there are only two countries in the world that allow it. That’s right. The United States and New Zealand. So we wouldn’t be, you know, we’re hardly an outlier to say we recognize that this is bad, it’s been dangerous, it’s driven… It’s really driven the lack of integrity in the media. So do that. Do a couple other relatively simple things. Maybe address the fluoride in the water. The fact that there is a lack of regulation on how much fluoride we can have in the water and it’s all over the board. Do a couple other things. Maybe removing red dye from the food. Some things that aren’t too painful. And it’s got to be a slow process. Unfortunately, it’s going to take decades. It will not get done under one administration. We didn’t get here quickly. And unfortunately, it’s like obesity. You didn’t get there overnight. You’re not going to get back to good health overnight either.
SPEAKER 12 :
Makes total sense. Steve, go ahead. You can comment on that as well.
SPEAKER 13 :
No, I absolutely agree. I mean, I think there also has to be, on top of that, there still has to be an incentive plan for patients to stay healthy. So you can do all those things she said, which are all exactly right. So I’m taking stuff out of food that you shouldn’t have, which means you’re just not going to put them in your body like fluoride and red dye. But the other thing I’ve got to do is I’ve got to get you to eat differently, move differently, and a few other things, right? Because coupled with feeling better will be the movement, will be a weight loss, will be the things that you really want. You have to tie the two together. Without some incentive, I don’t see people doing it. I just don’t.
SPEAKER 12 :
Dr. Kelly, here’s a question, and we can kind of wrap things up with this. Trump right now is trying to wind down Department of Education. Some of what you’ve even talked about has to do with school lunches and things along those lines. So a question for you. Can you combine these things at the same time, shut down Department of Ed, and do some of what you’re talking about simultaneously?
SPEAKER 03 :
I think so. I don’t see any reason why you can’t. Getting rid of the Department of Education is one of the things that I’m hopeful will happen relatively quickly. People get aghast when they hear me say that. The reality is the Department of Education didn’t even come into being until the mid-1970s. I got most of my education before there was a Department of Education. Back when kids actually got out of school knowing how to read and write and balance a checkbook. Today, we are failing miserably despite the fact that we are spending millions and millions more dollars. So I think that’s an easy thing to do. And I do think you’ve got to be able to show that you can do, you know, you can multitask. in the federal government and get these things done at the same time. So yes, I think that they can be done. One of the things that I have deep experience in is I ran healthcare services for large Fortune 100 companies, companies like Nissan and Federal Express and Continental Airlines. that are self-insured, they are, in other words, they pay for the health care for their employees.
SPEAKER 14 :
Right.
SPEAKER 03 :
And therefore, they are highly incentivized to keep their employees healthy. So their cafeteria programs, for example, they would say, look, burgers and fries are available in the cafeteria. So is the steamed flounder and the steamed broccoli. One of them, the flounder and broccoli and the side of fruit salad is $1. The burger and fries is $10. Yeah, there you go. You can buy whatever you want.
SPEAKER 12 :
Right.
SPEAKER 03 :
The choice is still there. It’s just a matter of what the cost is. Correct. It’s amazing, the choices. And so their employees started to make better food choices because they were financially incentivized. And once they started doing that, they started feeling better and going, I actually feel better now that I don’t eat a burger every single day. I don’t do it because I can’t afford it, quote, unquote. But they started feeling better. And you can use a lot of those sorts of incentives that are creative and do modify people’s behavior.
SPEAKER 12 :
Makes sense. Guys, I’ll close with that. Dr. Kelly, victory as always. Thank you so much. Steve, do you want to add anything to that before we go, by the way?
SPEAKER 13 :
No, if broccoli was free, I’d still be poor.
SPEAKER 12 :
It doesn’t matter. Good one. Dr. Kelly, again, love you. Thank you for all you do for us very much.
SPEAKER 15 :
All right. Talk soon.
SPEAKER 12 :
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SPEAKER 12 :
All right, we are back. Just closing things out here. Got about a minute or so left of this first hour. And again, always have things to talk about throughout our program. We appreciate all of you listening. And I don’t mention this enough, but sometimes you guys will have questions for even Dr. Kelly or Steve outside of this particular hour that we have. And that’s fine. And truthfully, you can text me always, 307-200-8222. But I will be straight up honest. Given how many text messages we actually get throughout the program, and this is not an exaggeration, in some days it can be upwards of 50 or more, and I’m not exaggerating. Given we get that many and that much volume, If you really have a specific question medically speaking, this concludes Dr. Scott or Dr. Kelly, send me an email. It helps me keep things a lot more organized via email because, as you know, there’s folders and ways to highlight things and so on that’s really difficult. In the text end of things, and for me on the show, the text number you’re texting is not my personal cell phone. That’s a texting thing app that I’ve had now for years. That’s why it’s a Wyoming area code. It is not my personal cell phone number. Periodically, people will try to call that number, and no, I’m not answering it because it’s a text-only number. But the reality is you can text, but it’s much, much easier. If you have a specific medical question, by all means, please send me an email. John, J-O-H-N, John at Rush to Reason. That’s T-O, Rush to Reason dot com. Send me that and I can usually get things answered back. And it’s easy because I can even copy and paste answers back from either Dr. Scott or Dr. Kelly. And it makes things very easy that way. So in the future, if you need something outside of this hour, please. please just send me an email and I can get it answered that way. It makes it much easier for me on that end of things. All right, that’s it for this first hour. This is Rush to Reason, Denver’s Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560.
SPEAKER 14 :
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