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HR1 Rush To Reason March 27, 2025 by John Rush
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All right, welcome. Thursday edition, Rush to Reason, Denver’s Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560. Of course, Dr. Kelly Victory joining us today. I’ll start with her. Dr. Kelly, welcome.
SPEAKER 11 :
Hey, how are you doing? I’m happy to be back. Lots going on. Lots going on on the health care side in Washington.
SPEAKER 09 :
Always. We’ll get to that here in a moment. I’ll welcome Steve next. Steve, welcome. How are you?
SPEAKER 03 :
You know, I’m trying to recover from the flu, but I’m getting there, and I’m capable for the show today, so I’m fine.
SPEAKER 09 :
Well, I appreciate you very much. And for those of you listening, maybe for the first time, you can go check out all of what we’ve done with Dr. Kelly, her credentials, the things we’ve talked about literally for the past five years. Go to RushToReason.com. But speaking of all of that, Dr. Kelly, yes, lots of things going on, lots of even— How should I say this? Things in the news of late as to what, you know, the COVID itself, the vaccines and what they’re still finding on them and so on. We’ll get into some of that today. But on the health care front, speaking of the government end of things, give us an update.
SPEAKER 11 :
You know, I think the biggest thing that happened certainly so far in this administration is the announcement today that HHS is making fundamental transformations of the agencies themselves. You, Steve, and I just talked about this a week or so ago with regard to how many different agencies fall under HHS. And we were certain that there was redundancy in many of those things, everything from human resources to, you know, all the different administrative components that And it looks like that has been recognized. They’re doing a huge restructuring. It will end up decreasing the number of full-time employees at HHS and their different agencies from around 82,000 to 62,000. So a decrease of 20,000 employees. It’s predicted to save the taxpayers nearly $2 billion a year through the reduction in redundancy there. And they’re really going to focus on the things they should be focusing on to end this epidemic of chronic disease. And those things are clean water, wholesome nutrition, and eliminating environmental toxins. rather than things like creating transgender mice and spending money on things that are not delivering tangible results to the American people.
SPEAKER 09 :
Steve, too, the one thing that never really gets talked about as well, and you being on the admin side, I mean, Dr. Kelly can talk to this as well, but you’re on the admin side, and you cut these people, and yes, there’s a savings of the payroll itself, but there’s always all of the other ancillary things that it takes to have an employee working, and I’m not just talking the tax burden and FICA tax and all that kind of stuff. I’m talking literally what it takes to actually house and have that person around and the things needed to keep that employee around, it adds up over time, right? Well, yeah.
SPEAKER 03 :
I mean, you first start with the concept that about 30% of their salary is how much it costs us extra to provide benefits. And the government benefits are better than most. It’s probably a little bit higher than that. You do have all the office time, you have expenses, you have everything else that goes with that. But here’s the other problem. I mean, if you even look at the state of Colorado, I mean, I worked inside the Medicaid organization and, It took years, several years, if not four or five years, to replace an IT system inside the state office on Medicaid, which in and of itself would have reduced the need for some labor, would have made things more efficient, better customer service. The problem in Washington, D.C. right now is the IT structures there. We’ve seen people say that the IRS, that all these other things are six years away from state of the art. And they’ve said that every year for the last 25 years. So all of these people, many of the redundancies are probably, John, because they just have really lousy systems that they haven’t fixed and they just overcome them with people.
SPEAKER 09 :
Dr. Kelly, you’re on the receiving end of that as a doctor, and you know how a lot of this works in regards to the forms that have to be filed and the things that have to be done billing-wise and so on. And I’ve heard personally from doctors like you that I have known that in some cases they just, well, Dr. Scott, for example, is one of those. They just get out of it. No more insurance, no more messing around with all that nonsense. I’ll concentrate on patient care and get rid of all of this red tape that literally is out there. It’s far too much. Will we ever see an end to some of that?
SPEAKER 11 :
I think we will, and I think this is on the right path. It remains to be seen what will happen at CMS, Center for Medicare and Medicaid, that’s going to be run by Mehmet Oz. But they need to eliminate so much of the red tape involved in that and in the insurance industry. For every single physician on the front lines, there are five or six people in the back office just trying to manage the insurance and get paid for Trying to get in network with an insurer is very, very difficult. It’s an owner’s task. And these are all activities that do nothing to improve the health or wellness of any of your patients. It’s a bunch of paperwork and paper pushing that takes up insane amounts of time and does nothing, which is why we end up where we are right now with the fattest, most sedentary, you know, You know, highest rates of diabetes, obesity, hypertension, kidney disease. It’s really a pathetic state of affairs. And it’s because we’ve been wasting our time, money and resources on paperwork rather than taking care of patients.
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Steve, when it comes to some of the IT end of things, which you’re very familiar with as well, I think one of the things for me personally that I get frustrated over is just the simple fact that we’ve got private sector companies that do really well at developing the things that we need governmentally speaking that would streamline A lot of things. And I have to believe that either one of two things has happened over the years. It’s either one of those things where nobody wants change and or the amount of government red tape it takes to go through some of those changes. Most don’t want to do or those quotes get, you know, those those bids get so overinflated because of what I just said that at the end of the day, they just keep doing what they do year after year after year. And to your point, now, some 25 years later, this updated system we were supposed to have, we still don’t.
SPEAKER 03 :
Well, yeah. In fact, almost every large corporation that works in the tech space or even in the food service space, anything that supplies stuff that the government would consume will have a commercial division and they’ll have a government piece. And so you just think about that. So why do you need a separate group of people just to work with the government? And the answer is because systems are archaic, processes and regulations are overdone. It takes way too much time. So you literally dedicate individual people. It would be like you having an auto mechanic business, and you had one or two guys who would do nothing but service government vehicles because the regulation to do the service was so much more intense than in a good commercial practice. Coupled with that, the combination of systems that we do have, We test, we looked at doctors’ schedules over the last year. A doctor will be off six days a month in some cases, and in that six days, they log on to the EHR and do charting and other things virtually every day. You rarely ever find one person, one doctor, who takes one full day off in a month on a regular 12-month basis. They’re always working, so that’s why they’re burnt out.
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And that’s why, Dr. Kelly, we have a lot of doctors that have switched over to either a concierge practice or they go specialize in what people can criticize. They go to plastic surgery or they go do other things that don’t involve insurance where the customer is directly paying. And frankly, at the end of the day, are probably a lot happier and wealthier when it’s all said and done and probably have happier patients.
SPEAKER 11 :
Oh, without question. Listen, my veterinarians got it figured out. They won’t even look at your pet until you give them your credit card. Okay. And frankly, with medicine, it is amazing is no longer, you know, the something that people should go into if they think they’re going to make, you know, a significant amount of income. The amount that you actually are able to recoup from the insurance companies, the reimbursements are very, very low. And once you have to be paying that five or six people in the back office in order to get it, it truly has impacted doctors’ bottom line. So doctors are working more hours. They’re working more than ever, getting paid less than ever. and their quality of life and job satisfaction is very low. At the same time, the experience for the patients is lousy because in order to make ends meet, doctors are scheduling their patients tighter and tighter. You have less and less time. It’s very, very common for people to tell me when they go to see their doctor, their experience is, The doctor either never sits down or has his or her hand on the doorknob the entire time that they’re talking to the patient. That’s not a good optic. It doesn’t make people feel that they’re being listened to or being cared for. And frankly, it becomes just algorithmic protocol driven medicine rather than the doctor actually sitting down, taking time, listening to your individual concerns and crafting a care plan that is tailored to you and your specific health care issues.
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Almost in bear with me here, Dr. Kelly, because I don’t know exactly what it was like in the real old days where you had traveling doctors with the black bag. They went from house to house and so on. Now, I did grow up in a time where we didn’t have a lot of the insurance nonsense that we had today. you know, folks paid out of pocket for a lot of smaller things. You had a catastrophic plan and things like that. But it almost seems like everything you just said a moment ago, Dr. Kelly, that we’re almost going back in time. And the way I want to explain that is, and I think I’m correct in this, Dr. Kelly, at one point in time, being a doctor wasn’t really looked upon like we look upon doctors today. I was at a trivia thing last night, and one of the questions was, it was the bonus question, what’s the most rewarding job out there? The answer was… Doctor, well, have we switched to where it’s not that any longer because of what you just said, Dr. Kelly? And there was a time even here in the U.S. where being a doctor actually was frowned upon.
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Absolutely, and frankly, I think it is not the most rewarding thing at all, unfortunately, because of the amount of red tape. When I was growing up, we did have a pediatrician who made house calls. We went to see that doctor in the office for routine things, for which we paid cash, by the way. When the doctor made a house call, including on Christmas Day or whatever, it was a holiday, six brothers and sisters, somebody was always sick. I can absolutely recall my father either handing him cash or writing a check if he didn’t have cash because that was what was expected. So our pediatrician didn’t have to waste time filing insurance claims. We had insurance, and you had to have it in case, God forbid, you had a car accident or you fell off the roof and broke your arm and needed surgery, things like that. It’s what we called major medical back in the day or catastrophic insurance coverage. Everything else… You know, the the antibiotics that you took for your strep throat or your routine immunizations or your well baby check got paid for in cash because that’s how it’s supposed to work. Insurance was never meant to cover routine things. I use the example all the time. Can you imagine what car insurance, you know, your industry, John, what car insurance would cost? If you expected your car insurance to cover filling up your car with gas and getting the tires rotated and the oil change, it would be astronomical.
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Absolutely. No, you’re 100% correct. And again, Steve, I’m not trying to downplay current doctors by any means. I mean, I value all of them and appreciate what they do, but it almost seems like we’re disincentivizing even new people to come into that field because of what Dr. Kelly just said.
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Yeah, so a couple of things. Number one, when I was growing up, If you were really sick and it was hard to see a doctor, you just went to Galilee and talked to Jesus directly about getting recovery. That was the only way it was back in those days. But in all truthfulness, one of the things I do remember, and certainly the demographics support this, the 50s, 60s, 70s, 80s, 90s, you know, the baby boomers were in the heart of their lives. We didn’t have and I was born in 1960. We didn’t have the same level of vaccines. We didn’t have the same level of food problems. So and there wasn’t this huge demographic that there is right now that is old. Right. I mean, that’s essentially my age. Right. The baby boomers. I mean, the youngest baby boomers were born in 64 years. You know, that aging process has created this massive demand for health care, and the pharmaceutical companies have been more than happy to find drugs to deal with symptoms. And to go back to Kelly’s vet example for a second, if you go to your vet and you know you’re going to pay $500 because your dog’s overweight and they need a hip replacement, When the vet tells you what you need to do for your dog, you do it because you don’t want to pay $500 the next time you show up. That’s right. So you’re more incentivized by paying for the bill yourself.
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That’s right.
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And you get better outcomes that way.
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And we are back. Rush to Reason, Denver’s Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560. Dr. Kelly, Victory, Steve House with us as well. All right, a few text messages that came in. I’ll start with this one, Dr. Kelly. Somebody actually texted me yesterday and said, would I ask you this today? And that is kids going back to school, things along those lines. Some of that will happen in the fall, although some are getting things registered and getting things ready even for next fall. Now, some schools requiring certain vaccines that you as a parent may not agree with. What do you do in that particular situation?
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Well, I would absolutely encourage people to push back. I would ask for a you know, you can try to get a religious exemption. You can get a personal choice exemption. I believe that if you bide your time, many, if not all of the vaccine mandates are likely to go away under this new administration. There’s tremendous impetus for them to do that. Robert Kennedy Jr. is certainly aware that this is on everybody’s radar. It’s something that I believe they are working on. President Trump has already signed an executive order to eliminate mandates in any country. state or federally funded universities. So I think it will happen. I would push back. I would use it as a personal exemption and say that your child can stay in school until such time as it gets litigated. And I would not give in to pressure. If you feel strongly about it, I would hold your ground. I think the issue is that we’ve got to push back. We’ve got to demand that we get some sort of relief from the government, and I think it is coming. So I would bide your time, I guess is what I’m saying, because I believe In the same way that I said this about the COVID shots themselves. People said, well, I have to take one because I can’t travel. I can’t do this. And I said, bide your time because the mandates will go away. And sure enough, they did. So those of us who stood our ground are looking pretty good right now. And I feel badly for the people who did not or felt that they could not stand their ground at the time. This will go away, I believe. And I think it’s going to happen in this administration.
SPEAKER 09 :
Yeah, and Steve, you can chime in on that, too, if you would like. By the way, thank you, Dr. Kelly, for that, and I think that listener is probably listening. If not, I’ll make sure that I text that back. Your thoughts on all that, Steve?
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Well, first of all, state constitutions mandate that all children who live in the state are entitled to an education. Yes, there are rules that the states can make around education. But one of the challenges I would have is to say, look, it’s absolutely my child’s right to go to school. I’m not getting them vaccinated because I don’t believe that it’s healthy and proper for them to be vaccinated. And you are not allowed to control the health of my child. So that’s one thing. Number two, if it is mandatory and that’s the only way, I’ve got a form for you to sign that says if my child is vaccine injured, you will assume liability for his medical care. And, you know, those are really fighting words, but I’ve just gotten so sick of the idea that with all of the data regarding children and COVID vaccines, especially why they would still have that posture is beyond me. And frankly, somebody ought to hold them liable for it.
SPEAKER 09 :
Agreed. This one I want to slip in just because I think it’s a little bit easier question maybe, Dr. Kelly, for you. What’s better for sleep, melatonin or magnesium glycinate?
SPEAKER 11 :
I don’t think there’s a better or worse. I think people need to pick the one that works for them. For some people, melatonin does a brilliant job. For others, it’s magnesium. Not me. It’s a combination of the two. Yeah, not me.
SPEAKER 09 :
I mean, for some odd reason, that stuff keeps me up, and I do not know why. I can’t answer why, Dr. Kelly.
SPEAKER 11 :
And as I said, you have to figure out what’s best for you. I’m the same way with Benadryl. Benadryl is the active ingredient in over-the-counter sleep aids like Sominex. I take a Benadryl when I’m climbing off the walls. So it’s the worst possible thing for me. So it’s a very independent. There’s not one that’s better or worse. I think both of them are reasonable things to try, meaning magnesium and melatonin are both reasonable things to try. The best thing you can do, frankly, I hate to say. is to put down your blue screens, put down the phone, put down the iPad, turn off the TV some hours before you actually want to go to sleep when most people do exactly the opposite. Most people are on their iPad in bed those screens emit blue light, and that blue light turns off the portion of your brain that normally naturally produces melatonin. Melatonin is something we all have in our bodies, but we aren’t producing enough of it in some part because of the amount of time we spend in front of screens that emit blue light. So I think the best thing you can do is get into some better sleep habits, including turning off your screen some hours before you want to go to bed, and obviously then, you know, things like avoiding caffeine or those sorts of things for a number of hours.
SPEAKER 09 :
All right. Next one, and there’s some video going around. I got this text earlier. Go ahead, Steve. Go ahead.
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So I recommend a simple solution. It’s called Jack Daniels. You do that, and it will help you sleep. There you go.
SPEAKER 12 :
Oh, there’s that too.
SPEAKER 03 :
All right. On a more serious note, I’ve been studying some of the testing that came through MKUltra and some of these other things that were done by the CIA. And one of the things that they talked about was that they used blue screens to actually try to influence people’s minds on issues, right? So not only is it turning off the melatonin, but I think sometimes it’s talking to you. I think they’re trying to message you. And that makes it even worse. I couldn’t echo Kelly’s stuff more. You need to shut it down. Read an actual book. Yeah. Good point.
SPEAKER 09 :
And you might be better off. All right. Video going around. I think I sent this to both of you as well. We’ll talk about this. I want to spend a little more time here because there’s I still think a lot of how should I say this? There’s just a lot of stuff out there. I don’t I don’t want to say it’s good, bad or otherwise. There’s just a lot of stuff out there when it comes to MRNA and even the repercussions of COVID itself. And there’s some folks out there now basically claiming that. You know, there are ways to get rid of the shot in your body. They can last anywhere from two to three years. And there are things you can do to actually, quote, unquote, flush your system of the mRNA. And Dr. Kelly, as I was watching some of that earlier today, I thought, well, that’s not what I have heard you say. Unless something has changed here of late, I thought once that mRNA is in you, it’s in you.
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It is, and certainly I am unaware at this juncture of any way to eliminate the mRNA. There are absolutely ways to decrease the toxic component, which is the spike protein. To be clear, the mRNA gives the roadmap or the instruction manual, if you will, for your cells to start producing the spike proteins. And that we know is the toxic portion of the virus is that spike protein itself. There are numbers of things that we know that will decrease the concentration of spike protein, and that includes some enzymes like natokinase and bromelain. I am unaware at this point, unfortunately, of how to rid yourself of the mRNA, so I’d love to hear what these folks are thinking. And maybe that is really the brass ring. What we need to come up with is a way to eliminate the mRNA or to turn it off at a minimum, even if you don’t eliminate, to tell it to stop sending the messages to your cells to produce these toxic proteins. As at this point, you know, we are now 709 days was the longest study that shows that people who are vaccinated are continuing to produce new spike proteins two years after they were last injected. That’s very scary.
SPEAKER 09 :
And at the same time, Steve, promoting that you keep getting re-injected. So we’ve still got that going on all the way down into infants, by the way, which we didn’t get a chance to talk about much last week. Steve, this is just craziness.
SPEAKER 03 :
I know it’s three times in your first year starting out at like six months. I have a question for Kelly. I mean, I listen to Kelly while I’m on the radio station with you guys all the time. And my question, Kelly, is, you know, there’s been a lot of things good and bad done with CRISPR over the years. Do you think there’s some guys out there with CRISPR who are trying to figure out how to alter or change the genetics enough to kill the spike protein and repair? You know, what’s going on? I mean, is that, I mean, those are, those are sometimes scary things, but I just wondered if you’d heard anything about that.
SPEAKER 11 :
Well, that’s certainly what people are working on or looking for because, as I said, that’s the brass ring. You can continue to eliminate spike proteins, but the bottom line is, you know, it’s kind of the difference between, you know, putting an ant trap out and catching, you know, the ants that are out there versus eliminating, you know, the nest. You’re trying to eliminate where these things are coming from. Otherwise, you’re just in a perpetual cycle. cycle of trying to eliminate the toxin. So absolutely, there are folks who are looking at how do we turn off the mRNA, if not actually eliminating that genetic component from the cell nucleus, how do you actually turn it off so it’s not sending the messages? And it may, ironically, be with another mRNA injection. It may take mRNA to turn off the original mRNA. which is scary and is going to have, you know, there’s going to be a lot of resistance to that, but that may be the ultimate fix. You would think these are the kinds of things, by the way, that should have been hashed out before they injected, you know, more than half of the planet with this stuff. You know, this is not the time to be looking to say, oh, by the way, how do we eliminate this or turn it off? You know, where’s the off switch? Oh, we forgot about that.
SPEAKER 09 :
Here in the U.S., Dr. Kelly, as you know, and Steve as well, it’s like 80% of the folk out there ended up getting at least one of the shots. Steve, go ahead.
SPEAKER 03 :
Well, I mean, you know, look, if they don’t figure this out, I mean, because the numbers on not only the spike protein being produced after two years, it’s how much of it is being produced. It’s a large quantity. And then we saw that article this week about the cancer impact. I mean, I honestly, you know, we don’t try to scare people on the show. But if you told me what I know now about the spike protein and what it does. And the risk of cancer, I would have a hard time sleeping a lot of days just knowing that when I wake up tomorrow, something’s going to be growing because this stuff is so heinously bad. I mean, it’s just really, really bad. And I think people should be worried about it. I think, you know, they should encourage people to find solutions to it because if they don’t find solutions to it, as we talked about earlier, you know, a thousand people will die. You never knew and never thought about it. And they’ll just keep doing it until there’s none of us left.
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All right, we are back. Dr. Kelly Victory, Steve House. Again, if you’re new, just listening for the first time, go to our website, RushToReason.com. There’s a page there dedicated to Dr. Kelly and links to a lot of the things that we have talked about over the past five years plus. Dr. Kelly, I’m thinking out loud. And there was an article that we were sending around to one another talking about the turbo cancers, things, by the way, that you talked about a while back. And a lot, unfortunately, I’m not celebrating this, but a lot of what you and Steve both talked about several years ago are now coming to fruition, and they keep coming. keeps growing and getting larger. So the question I have, knowing that I talked to a lot of people, not only you on Thursdays, but during health and wellness, I talked to a lot of different people about nutrition and health and cancers and so on. And knowing that, you know, cancers feed off of sugar and frankly, other bad habits health wise. If I were somebody that had happened to get a shot and maybe now regret getting it, but there’s, as we’ve talked, really no reversal of at this point in time, would it behoove me to, to take myself completely off of all things sugar, reduce my carbs, in other words, try to eat as clean, quote-unquote, as possible to try to counter some of that, or does it make any difference?
SPEAKER 11 :
Well, I think it makes a huge difference. There’s no question for anybody, independent of your vaccine status and whether or not you’ve put yourself at increased risk for developing cancer because you’ve taken one or more mRNA injections. I think it makes sense for everybody. We now recognize… cancer is largely a metabolic disease. It is not just a genetic disease the way that we once thought, and it has to do a lot with the American diet. The fact that we eat so much sugar, that we eat so frequently, that we rarely go without eating, meaning short periods of fasting, and we eat tremendous amounts of sugar, as you said, which is the preferred energy source for cancers. So I think it moves everybody to limit the amount of sugar that they take. Americans eat a tremendous amount of added sugar. And just becoming more cognizant of that, start looking at labels and starting to decrease the amount of added sugar that you take in on a regular basis. In my mind, there’s absolutely no justification for anybody to drink a regular soft drink today. If you don’t like diet drinks and there are lots of reasons not to drink them, then go to seltzer water, mineral water, iced tea, something else. The amount of sugar in a can of regular soda is astronomical and there’s no justification for it. Save your sugar for something else. With regard to the increased risk of cancers from these shots, yes, as you said, I did predict it. I predicted it early on before the shots were rolled out. I said this is going to cause cancer. It’s going to suppress the immune system, and the immune system is the first line of defense against cancers, unfortunately. what I predicted has come to fruition in a really tragic way. We are seeing overwhelming numbers of turbo cancers, meaning very, very aggressive cancers and cancers that are happening in people in age groups in which we never saw them before. And what I’m talking about is things like aggressive colon cancers in people in their teens and 20s, aggressive ovarian cancers in women in their 20s and 30s, in recurrence of cancers that had been in remission sometimes for well over a decade, now coming back with a vengeance. This was predictable, and unless we get our arms around it, the next decades are going to be, unfortunately, fraught with a lot of pain and suffering.
SPEAKER 09 :
You probably know this answer, Steve. You might as well. I’m going to throw it out there anyways just to see I just looked it up, and granted, this is the average. So some consume more, some consume less. This is the average. Do you know how many pounds of sugar on average an American consumes each year?
SPEAKER 03 :
A hundred? I’m guessing. I don’t know the answer.
SPEAKER 09 :
Ding, ding, ding. You are the winner, Steve.
SPEAKER 11 :
Yeah, think about that.
SPEAKER 09 :
Think about that. Yeah, thank you. Think about that. I mean, Dr. Kelly, when you put it in that perspective and you say the average American is eating, consuming 100 pounds of sugar a year, most of them wouldn’t believe that’s the case. But to your point earlier, when you look at what’s in a soft drink even and how much sugar is in it, yeah, it doesn’t take much to get to that 100 pounds. And by the way, like I said, that’s the average. There are some out there probably consuming half of that and others consuming twice that much.
SPEAKER 11 :
Absolutely. If you look at the amount of sugar, for example, the number of people I know who say, oh, I don’t eat breakfast. I just stop and get a coffee. And what they mean when they get stopping at a coffee is they go to Starbucks and get some coffee beverage, which has the amount of sugar that’s in three cans of Coca-Cola. So the amount of sugar that is added to some of these things is ridiculous, and portion sizes have gotten out of control. In the 1950s, a normal size of a soft drink was 8 ounces. Then it went to 12 ounces. Then it went to 16 ounces. Now when you go and get a regular soft drink, at McDonald’s, it’s a 24-ounce drink, okay? It is three times what it was in the 1950s. Yet people think, oh, you know, all I had was a Coke. Well, no, you actually had three Cokes, and it’s that amount of sugar. And so I think that certainly what we are consuming is adding to the issue with cancers, but it is all eclipsed, unfortunately, by the tragedy that was the mRNA shots for COVID.
SPEAKER 09 :
Steve, again, we were sending that video around. Actually, Tucker Carlson has done some interviews and some videos on this of late, which not to toot our own horn, but it’s funny. We’ve got now Tucker Carlson running around talking about and interviewing some of the same things that, Steve, you, I, and Dr. Kelly have literally been talking about for four-plus years. Now it’s almost like, I love you, Tucker, but no offense, you’re a little behind the times here.
SPEAKER 03 :
You know, I read that article, Eric. I was listening to what he was talking about, and I came up with a conclusion that I’ll ask you guys whether you agree or not, too. But when I think about Kelly Victory, Simone Gold, Peter McCullough, Marty, all these guys… including Ron Johnson, who’s not a doctor but a senator, I think the difference between the group of people, John, that you and I got exposed to through Kelly, and I had some direct exposure to as well, is they never overreacted. They didn’t, like, look at it and go, oh, my God, the world is going insane and it’s crazy and all this other stuff regarding the virus itself. They looked at it like a scientist and said, we got a problem. what’s the problem really all about what are the concerns it is a virus it is a coronavirus yada yada and they started thinking they never stopped thinking to be honest with you i think the people who came up with solutions and we will come up with solutions going forward and the people like that and kelly and her team were great at it i heard it you know on weekly calls with a bunch of people across the country she invited me to and that was it they never panicked they kept thinking they kept being scientists and doctors and that’s why we had the advantage
SPEAKER 09 :
I agree. I agree. All right. This was a question, more of a thought that came in that, by the way, I don’t know that I can argue with this. And I’ll talk to Dr. Kelly. I’ll ask you first. And Steve, you can chime in. I foresee groups of specialists that work for insurance companies forming an alliance to make all advice, medically speaking. Then something like a PA will staff the facilities and nurses to administer that advice. There will be no more primary care physicians unless you go the concierge route, but then you have to wonder if the hospital will allow your concierge to get you admitted to actually then go see a specialist. Dr. Kelly, your thoughts? That was from a listener, by the way.
SPEAKER 11 :
Well, I certainly hope that’s not the way it’s going, but I don’t think it’s far off. There’s no question that we are on a slippery slope when they started allowing PAs and nurse practitioners to to be fundamentally stand-ins for physicians. The level of training is vastly different. The level of experience is vastly different. There’s a role for PAs and surgical assistants and nurse practitioners, absolutely, but they should not be replacing somebody who went to 12 years of You know, education and had a lot more has a lot more experience. It all comes down to dollars and cents and what the insurance companies and what hospitals want to pay for. Unfortunately, people have been lulled to believe that these algorithms and let’s face it, that’s what AI is. It’s all algorithmic. that is a substitute for the thinking human brain. And it’s going to dumb down, if you will, the quality of medicine that everybody gets. And those people who are able to afford it will go the concierge route and the rest of the people will get sort of what happens when you go the socialized route, which is everybody gets a mediocre level of care and nobody gets really great care.
SPEAKER 09 :
Steve, your thoughts on all of that? Again, you’re on the admin side, so you of all people will see some of this stuff sooner probably than later when it comes to that.
SPEAKER 03 :
Well, statistically, country by country across the world who are delivering longer lifespans at a lower cost per capita all of them pay their primary care providers around 15% of the healthcare dollar that they spend. We spend about 5% or 6% on primary care. When primary care and internal medicine physicians See patients first, develop a relationship with them. They reduce emergency room visits by somewhere between 70% and 80% typically. We are going in the opposite direction. We are trying to minimize primary care when it is the one thing where the statistics never vary. If you have strong primary care, if you pay them well, if they get a chance to develop relationships, you get more doctors going into that business, and you get a better outcome, longer life at a lower cost.
SPEAKER 09 :
Dr. Kelly, when it comes to HHS and a lot of the things that are getting revamped, as you said earlier, a question that I have, given the fact that I just threw out that number of 100 pounds of sugar a year is what the average American actually consumes. Do you see Robert Kennedy Jr. and his staff focusing on some of these things that even we’ve talked about today? In other words, educating people that, hey, do you all know you’re taking in 100 pounds of sugar a year?
SPEAKER 11 :
Absolutely. And I think that rather than, quote, banning things, you know, the idea I am not a proponent of, you know, banning, you know, Scorpies or Binkles. I think, you know, people should be able to make their own choices. But what you can do is use the power of the purse to incentivize companies to do the right thing, to come up with products that have less sugar, for example, that don’t include artificial dyes and artificial colorings, artificial preservatives. And you can certainly use the power of the purse to ban or keep those things out of the schools because you say, here’s the deal. We’re not going to give you the contract for the school lunch program if your foods include these things or that they have more than X number of grams. added sugar per serving kind of thing so I yes I think that you can motivate people people are largely motivated by things like fear and they are motivated by money they’re motivated by it is you know watch people’s behavior They do not want to do anything that’s difficult. That’s why so many people flock to stuff like Ozempic. They want a pill or an injection or a quick fix rather than the thing that’s harder to do. So I think this new administration will hopefully use the power of the purse to incentivize companies to create healthier products. They will return physical education, hopefully, to the school curriculum. The idea that kids in elementary school no longer have to spend you know, 45 minutes or whatever, five days a week doing something physically active. That’s a tragedy that it’s during those formative years that kids learn to appreciate daily exercise, which is a core component of good health. It cannot be done with diet alone. And we’ve got to get back to some of those basics. And those things, by the way, are largely free. They don’t cost Americans a lot of money.
SPEAKER 09 :
Great point. Steve, your thoughts on all of that and what we might see? Again, lots of changes. I’ve heard Dr. Kelly and some of you talk about some of those changes that hopefully we’ll see coming out of HHS. But I, for one, I hope that, A, we get some of these pharmaceutical ads off of the air and, by the way, replace them with some of this educational stuff that we’re talking about right now.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah, I have two or three things that I tend to follow fairly closely, John. One is you cannot ask a person to replace a habit. with a dramatic change. So if you eat M&Ms every day at 10 a.m. in the morning as a snack, you know, and a nutritionist says, I want you eating broccoli, it’s too dramatic of a change. So it has to be, you know, a process you go through. The second thing is take out all the toxins, right? I mean, I think Kelly’s right about that. I mean, if you get all the toxins out and I’m still eating food that isn’t necessarily great for me, at least I’m not getting bad food and toxins to go with it. And the third thing is There are a couple of simple metrics, you know, 10,000 steps today, actually 8,000 steps. You know, you shorten all-cause mortality by like 40%. If you can sit on the floor and get up off the floor without using your hands, that level of flexibility, you live 60%, you know, all-cause mortality goes away. I mean, there’s lots of things like that. Just give us the simple stuff and don’t expect a miracle. And I think people will be incentivized, but make food toxin-free and not quite as bad for us, and we’ll see it happen.
SPEAKER 09 :
A few minutes left here, Dr. Kelly. I’ll give you the floor on this one because with all of what’s happening right now with Robert Kennedy Jr., the left, of course, has already been unhinged. I can already feel their unhingeness in the additional cuts that are now going to happen out of that. And I can already hear the people out there, oh, there’s just no way we can handle things. Nobody will be healthy again. There’s no way we can run things with that less staff and on and on and on. I mean, I guess my question is, how do they fight against all of this left nonsense that keeps coming out?
SPEAKER 11 :
They fight with results. It’s going to be results. They’re going to have to show. I have no question they can do it. The amount, the bloated, you know, administration that’s happening in these agencies has been going on for decades. I think cutting it out and then proving results that they start to deliver on some of these things. If we start to see true, you know, reductions, even a fraction of a point of reduction in the rates of obesity, for example, among school children. You know, the fact that We’ve got 40% of adolescents are pre-diabetic in the United States. Wow. Forty. Four out of ten. We can’t sustain that. So if they could make some changes in over a two- or three-year period, say it’s not 40% anymore, it’s 30% or 35%. Certainly horrific numbers still, but it’s going to be results-driven, John. They’re going to have to prove that with fewer people they can spend less money and do more. And I think it’s possible. I think this is exactly, Robert Kennedy Jr., if anybody’s the one to do it, and along with the cuts that Elon Musk is making, I think they can show better results for less money.
SPEAKER 09 :
Steve, you’ve been in the corporate world for a long time. I’ve run small businesses my entire adult life. The reality is I for one know that in a lot of cases, despite what people might think, you can actually get more with less because you become more efficient. Your thoughts on that?
SPEAKER 03 :
What do you mean get more with less in that context, John?
SPEAKER 09 :
Less people getting more work done because in some cases, more people just adds to the convolution of what’s going on. And in a lot of cases in business, you can get more productivity and more done with less people.
SPEAKER 03 :
Well, you can. I mean, I think there’s a tipping point on everything, right? Of course. I mean, you know, like if you walk into a car rental place these days and they got one person working and 27 people in line, you know, more people doesn’t make it worse. They make it better because they can do that. Right. Right. I mean, the problem is with. systems that are inefficient.
SPEAKER 09 :
Well, but really quick, I’m going to go back to your example really quick before we move on. On the same token, if there’s six checkout lanes there, and all of a sudden there’s 24 people there that are all trying to do the same thing, that’s an example of too many people make it worse.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah, in fact, I’ll give you a clinical example. We just did a study at a hospital in New England. Eight cardiologists come in on the same day. There are five exam rooms. They are far worse off getting patients through the process that day than the day that they have four cardiologists in five exam rooms. So, yeah, there’s that type of scenario. The problem with the government is that there’s just not enough money when you have these kind of deficits to do the training, the implementation, all the things we really need to do to make this government run efficiently, and medicine as well. Medicine is horribly inefficient in so many ways. There are too many people, but there are too many people because we haven’t changed the culture or the processes to fix it.
SPEAKER 09 :
I’ll leave it at that. We can continue this on next week. Dr. Kelly, victory as always. Thank you for your time. It always flies by.
SPEAKER 11 :
Thanks for having me. Look forward to it next week.
SPEAKER 09 :
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SPEAKER 09 :
All right, that was a great time we had with Dr. Kelly Victory and Steve House. And I appreciate Steve joining us, even though he is recovering from a flu bug and not feeling well. But that’s just the kind of individual that he is. And I will say this all the time, as you can tell from today. Anytime you have something you would like me to ask, yes, I add that to my notes. I have that ready when they are with me. That way I can ask those questions or answer those questions directly. So what I’m saying there is if there’s anything you would like to ask them now or in the future, even throughout the next several days, before we get into next Thursday, just send me a text message, 307. 200-82-22. Again, 307-200-82-22. I’ll add that to my notes. I’ll get that question asked, and we’ll have them back again next week, Lord willing. Next hour, we’ll be back. Don’t go anywhere. Rush to Reason, Denver’s Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560.
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