This Health & Wellness hour of Rush to Reason focuses on a core issue many people overlook—why they feel constantly tired. The conversation explores how iron deficiency, not just stress or lack of sleep, may be at the root of low energy and poor performance.
The discussion breaks down how iron is absorbed, why many people struggle to maintain healthy levels, and how modern diets and habits may be making the problem worse. It also highlights the importance of proper testing—specifically ferritin levels—to truly understand what’s happening inside your body.
Beyond the science, the hour leans into a bigger theme: taking
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I’m sorry that I’m fat. All right, welcome. Another edition of Health and Wellness on this Wednesday. Rush to Reason, Denver’s Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560. And before we get started, let me do the question of the day. I’ll get that out real quick. What term describes government by the wealthy? This is yesterday’s impossible question. Pluto Crossy. I’m sure I’m not saying that right. Say it again, Charlie. Plutocracy. Plutocracy. Plutocracy. There you go. There’s your answer. I have no idea. Why have I never heard that word before, Charlie? Is it like used, you know, rarely or something? Yeah, he says it’s rarely used. That’s why I’ve never heard of it. Impossible question today. What 20th century policy caused widespread famine under Mao? What 20th century policy caused widespread famine under Mao? Ironworks Realty, they were going to join us today. And I can understand things happen. In fact, we’ve got a little bit of weather moving through right now. Regardless, I’ll talk about Ironworks Realty right now for a few minutes. I’ve got a couple of minutes to do that. And again, ironworksrealty.com is the website. You hear me talk about it quite a bit. New sponsor of ours. that joined us about a month ago roughly, Jeff Paquette. And Jeff specializes. He can do regular realty work as well. I want to make sure we emphasize that he really helps those that have inherited a home or you’re about to inherit a home or maybe you know you’re going to be passing a home down, things along those lines. 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And I’m just going to throw this in really quick because I don’t have the exact answer to this, but it made me think about some things, and that is what’s the political spectrum – or the political bent of folks that use peptides. I have my own feelings as to that, and you hear Dr. Scott talk about peptides. He’ll be on next Wednesday and probably talk about that some as well. He hosts the first Wednesday of every month, so if you want to listen in to Dr. Scott next week, be sure to do so. And he is the expert in this far more than I am. Now, my gut feeling is… that in most cases, not all, but I think in most cases, people that have really gotten into and understand what peptides are, how they work, and so on, my own gut feeling, and I did some searching on this, and there’s no proof of my feelings. This is just me talking. My gut feeling is they’re going to be more conservative than liberal. Now, I can be completely wrong, and I’m not saying that folks on the left don’t use peptides and they’re not into that space at all, but I think typically… The left looks at big pharma in a totally different way than, say, I do. For example, the COVID shot. Most people on the left got not just one, but probably multiple shots when it comes to the COVID vaccine. Maybe the full dozen or more that are actually out there. Some fully believe in all of that because they believe whatever government says, that’s what I’m going to do. Keep in mind, that mindset is government’s there to take care of me. I look at it completely opposite. Government will never take care of me, not to the ability that I want it done, meaning I’m going to have to take control of my own health if I want to have a healthy life because government’s not going to do that for me. In fact, government will screw it up if you let them. They screw up everything if you let them. So why would my health be any different? So in general, and again, I have no data to back this up. This is just my own personal feelings on how I see that space and the people that are in that space, and in some cases, the income level that it takes to be in that space. But I think most people that are looking to take control of their own health through the means of peptides and some of the other therapies even that Dr. Scott does, I think in general, most of those people are going to be on the conservative side or at least have a conservative bent, maybe unaffiliated, but they’re going to be more bent towards that side of, hey, I’m not going to rely on government to care for me. I’m going to do this on my own. And to me, there’s a mindset there that goes along with that. Now, can I prove that? I’m not sure there’s ever been any kind of surveys or studies or anything along those lines. I’ll have to ask Dr. Scott his thoughts on that. But I don’t know if there’s ever been any studies done to prove my point on that. But my gut feeling is, in general… People that are more conservative, libertarian in mindset and so on are going to take control of their own health care, i.e. peptides and other things along those lines, versus those folks that are on the left whereby they feel like government is there to take care of them. Why should I worry about my own health when government’s there to take care of it for me? Now, I get it. There’s a lot of people on the left that are into the whole wellness space and so on, and I’m not saying that they’re not into taking care of themselves and so on. that’s not what i’m saying but i think when it comes to some of these things that are out there peptides being one of them i would venture to guess that the lion’s share of users you know, buyers of are going to be folks on the conservative right. Again, can be completely wrong, but that’s just my gut feeling. 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listen online klz radio.com back to rush to reason okay we are back rush to reason denver’s afternoon rush klz 560 appreciate y’all joining us and yes we do have our next guest that’ll be joining us here in just one moment peter basica and i appreciate you joining us peter founder and ceo of 360 smarter care how are you today I am quite well. And you, sir? I’m doing very well. And I appreciate you joining us again. As I said, discuss Trump’s proposal to crack down on health care fraud. And I’m very interested in talking to you. I’m an employer myself outside of what I do here. And you’ve got some very interesting things that you guys are doing to really crack down on all of this.
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We are. And the fraud initiative from from the. from dc is a great idea because there clearly is fraud however when i talk to government officials about reducing health care costs none of them want to address the core problem and the core problem is people simply don’t get well and they don’t get well because they don’t have a relationship with a primary care physician There’s a WHO study, and I’m not the biggest fan of the WHO.
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No, we aren’t either, but the way I always say that, Peter, is a blind squirrel finds a nut every now and again.
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Absolutely right. They did a study worldwide on hypertension. Anybody that’s ever been diagnosed as being hypertensive has been given a blood pressure pill and then told to do three things. Exercise more, lose weight, reduce sodium intake.
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Okay.
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Taking the pill without doing those three things is like taking half a pill at best. It doesn’t work. Worldwide, compliance with the pill and the behavioral modifications runs about 27%. In the United States, we think like cowboys, it’s 3%. That’s the problem. And it isn’t just, obviously, hypertension. It’s following a program that your doctor lays out to get you well. That’s what will change health care costs, and it would be revolutionary.
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I’m going to jump in really quick because you’re dovetailing into what I really talked about even before you came on. I sort of started off this hour with talking about peptides and all of the things that are going on with that and so on and the fact that I feel like anybody that’s taking control of their own health care might have a little different political bent to them. And I’m not saying that in a mean way, Peter. I just mean that in a lot of cases, there’s one side of the aisle that strictly believes government’s there to care for me, and I’m going to do everything they tell me to do, where I think the other side, I’m on this side, by the way, where I don’t think government can ever fix anything. I need to take control of these things on my own. And in some cases, to be honest with you, I’ll listen to my doctor, depending upon who that doctor is and how ingrained in the system he is, because I’m one, Peter, where I want a doctor that’s not necessarily following the guidelines of government, but is following the guidelines of what’s best for me.
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You couldn’t be more on target with that. I agree with you completely. Although I would say that perhaps those independent thinkers are right. maybe our political future as being independence and not following a party line, but following what’s best for the country. Wouldn’t that be a great way to go?
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Yeah, I wish. And that’s a whole discussion I talk about on a regular basis outside of health and wellness, Peter. So I’ll make sure we stick to the health and wellness end of things because you and I could talk about that one for hours. Literally. And we are very much on the same page. So and I and I and I could tell from from, you know, reading what you’re trying to do and what your company does and so on, that that’s very much the way you are. And and you’re right. I mean, we we as as Americans, we are kind of that, you know, especially, you know, those of us that are here in the West, you know, we really are kind of have that cowboy mentality of, you know, I’m going to do it my way, although that’s where I want to get your opinion on this. although I think there are far too many that will do exactly what the doctor says, whether that’s right, wrong, or otherwise, without really researching on their own. There are so many tools today to do that without researching on their own. What are all of my options?
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Check TTP and any of the AI search bots are really helpful. If you take the time to feed in your specific medical information, and I mean really detailed information, information, it will generate a care plan for you, and it will be amazingly accurate. When you do that, it gives you so much confidence in what your doctor is asking you to do. And if the doctor is telling you something very different, well, then you are absolutely right. We’ve got a problem with that doctor.
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Yep. And that’s where, you know, step back for a minute, have a conversation. Nothing wrong. You know, Peter, I’ve got lots of sponsors, a lot of them in different industries. I came out of the auto industry for years and years and years. That’s my background. And, you know, second opinions, there’s nothing wrong with those, whether that be something on your car, your home or your health. A second opinion is never a bad thing.
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Again, couldn’t agree with you more. My mother-in-law is in her middle 80s. She’s got a problem with her knee. Because I happen to be in this healthcare industry, I was able to send her to Dr. Wayne Proprosky, who is one of the pioneers in implants and knee replacements, hip replacements. Having access to that kind of care is wonderful. But it shouldn’t be the exception, and it shouldn’t be because her son-in-law knows somebody.
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Amen. No, I couldn’t agree with you more. Well, and I talk about this a lot during this hour. Unfortunately, Peter, as you know, because you’re in the industry and you’re in the business, we don’t have health care in this country. We have crisis care. We should have health care because we’d be a whole lot healthier if we actually had that.
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I call it conglomerate care.
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There you go.
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And I call it conglomerate care because when you look at the institutional investors across the spectrum of health services, they’re all the same.
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Yep. You’re 100% correct. Okay, so before we move on and talk about some of these things that people can do on their own, talk to us about 360 Smarter Care. What is it you guys do? And we’ve got a lot of employers. I’m employed, and as you know, like begets like. I’m an employer, so like begets like. We have a lot of business owners and such that listen to me. So what is it you guys do?
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Employers that have self-funded health care plans should be talking to us because what we do is analyze very carefully their loss histories, identify what we colorfully refer to as the bleeding arteries, the items that are driving their health care costs that are controllable. We can’t control somebody getting cancer. We can control a diabetic. We can help a person who is pre-diabetic not become diabetic. There are behaviors that you can change that will dramatically reduce the amount of care dollars spent. And while it’s important to reduce the care cost, the real benefit is somebody got healthier. That’s how the care cost went down. And it’s their quality of life that improved. they become better parents, better employees, better friends.
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Right. I learned something today which I didn’t know, and I’m sure you do because you’re in this space. I’m not, and I should have known this, but for some reason I didn’t. When you get to the age of having to go on Medicare, so 65, the more money you make, and I think the threshold is around $250,000. So if you’re, in my case, if I’m a guy making $250,000 a year and I get to be 65, I’m charged $250,000. a higher rate on Medicare than somebody else would be, which to me is sort of backwards, Peter, because typically people, not always, but typically, and I think the actuaries would support me in this, typically that higher income individual is going to take better care of themselves because they have the ability to control their own health care, but yet, governmentally speaking, we’re charging that person more money. That makes no sense to me.
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It doesn’t, and I’m going to tell you something that you may have never heard before. A child who is developmentally behind at age three costs over 30% more in their health care over their lifetime.
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Wow. I did not know that. That’s another fact today I’ve learned. Unreal. I didn’t know that.
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My guess is that their ability to buy healthy foods, to see a doctor, all of the things that a person who is making good money can do, they can’t. and it puts them behind forever by the age of three. It’s just staggering. I had no idea. That is true. Unbelievable. So your assumption is correct. At least I believe it’s correct. You’re making more money. You’re going to eat a little healthier. I live in New York City. I do make good money, and I have concierge health care. I have my doctor’s cell phone number. I can call her 24-7. It’s a world of difference between the care I get and the care an average person gets. That’s right.
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You’re right.
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I’m a VIP when I go to the hospital. It’s a different world. Money is the solution to healthcare in the United States, and that is a real problem.
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And that I won’t disagree with, I think. And that’s – unfortunately, again, we could go all the way back. A lot of this is political, which I don’t want to go down that path typically in health and wellness. But a lot of what you just talked about did come from that. And the reality is – and I agree with you. It shouldn’t be that way. It should be fairly equal. And we should be doing – this is my whole – And it’s why I do an hour every week in this particular 3 to 4 o’clock hour on Wednesdays. I do this every week for health and wellness. My feeling, Peter, is the better job we do of educating people on the things that you and I are talking about right now, the less cost we have overall as a country. And we don’t do very well at that. I mean, look at what happened during COVID. We could have used that entire time during COVID to run ads about, hey, is your vitamin D up? Are you taking all the right things? Are you doing the right things necessary? Are you getting enough exercise? I mean, there’s so many PSAs that we could have ran during that time. And, Peter, we didn’t run one as a country. What we said was, let’s wait for a vaccine, then go get a shot. That’s what we said.
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My biggest frustration with COVID is we didn’t get the basic, simplest message out. When you’re sick, stay home. Yep. It had nothing to do with the masks or this or that. You’re sick. Don’t go to the office and make everybody else sick.
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Yep, you are 100% correct. We talked about, you know, I’ve been doing this program for 12 years, so we went all the way through COVID with all of that. I never missed a day of being on air. By the way, Charlie and I both came in here every day when really there was no one else here because we did what we were going to do no matter what. And to your point, and by the way, I think it helped my immune system because I was exposed to probably more than most. And at the end of the day, I didn’t end up with all of that anyways, which I think was a huge blessing, Peter.
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Absolutely. You know, we joke in New York City about you have to ride the subway periodically because that’s how you boost your immune system.
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Yeah, exactly. Okay, so this whole 360 SmarterCare, if there’s folks out there listening, I don’t want to miss this opportunity. If there’s somebody out there listening that would like to know more about what you guys do, how do they do that?
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They go to 360smartercare.com. You can email me from there. You can request information, and we’re here to help.
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You guys do a lot. As I’m reading through my notes, I mean, a lot of what you and I are talking about right now are the things that you do. And for those of you that are employers, Peter, what you’re doing is teaching them and teaching the employees how you better take care of yourself, therefore reducing overall costs. I’m assuming that’s what you guys do. In a nutshell. It’s been a real joy having you, and as you can tell, we think a lot alike. You are welcome to come back anytime if there’s a particular topic or something that you’d like to cover, Peter. Reach out. We’ll get you back on air. I’ve enjoyed this very much.
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There is an announcement coming, I hope in May, from the state of New York with 360 Smarter Care regarding veterans that I would love to tell you about.
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All right. When that comes up, reach back out. We’ll get you back on. Love to do that. We’d have no problem with that.
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Have a great day.
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All right, we are back. Rush to Reason, Denver’s Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560. Okay, our next guest joining us now, Thomas Greither, and he’s been with us before. Thomas, welcome back. How are you?
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Hello, John. How are you today?
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I’m very good. It’s a joy to have you back. You’re CEO of Flora Health, which I have been taking your iron supplements. We’ll talk about some of that today. And no, folks, they didn’t get sent to me. I went ahead and bought my own. And they, you know, very easy. We’ll talk about some of this. But uh thomas i know last time we were on we talked about you know how many people basically are low on iron and so on uh but and this is in my notes why that post lunch slump might be a sign of low iron and not just too much coffee or something else you may have ate talk about that yes i mean a lot of people they think they feel tired they think they’re working very hard and they think they’re uh you know because they’re working the stress in their life that makes them feel tired but the
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99% is really an iron deficiency. And people have a hard time sometimes absorbing that iron because it’s not readily, easily absorbed by the body. It depends on which form it is. And so a lot of people get tired and then they drown it with coffee and think, OK, that makes me awake. But really, the deeper problem is that they’re low in iron storage.
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OK, dumb, dumb question on my part. Why is iron so hard to absorb? And is that something that over time has changed in our bodies? You know, maybe especially here in the U.S. because of our eating habits, or is it just something that is naturally that way, period?
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I think it’s because it’s highly oxidative, so it’s very aggressive. It rots very quickly, so that shows you it’s a very fast-oxidizing substance. So the body built itself a special pathway to absorb the iron and brings it in. And they have to bring it in one molecule of iron by one. So one by one has to come in. It goes through the cell structure, and every time… The iron molecule goes through the cell structure. It actually kills cells because it’s so highly oxidized that it kills cells. And it starts like allergic reaction or constipation or people have problems bringing it in. So it’s very hard to bring it in one by one by one. And then the body has to store it in what’s called a ferritin. protein molecule. The body uses that as a storage area. So you have to put it, the body has to have, after it’s brought it into the bloodstream, you have to store it into a ferritin molecule. And that’s the hard part, is the oxidation. And rust, everybody knows rust. So that’s why it’s so hard to absorb it, and there’s really no other way to get it in unless there’s a completely new way of doing it, like we have invented a completely new way of getting the iron into your body.
SPEAKER 06 :
Right. We’ll cover some of that through this discussion. Question back, though, to why certain people – I’ve got a family member, for example, that has to go get iron infusions periodically because it just doesn’t do well – with the things that we’re talking about. Is that something that is, you know, case by case? Is it hereditary? You know, if somebody has that problem, is it going to get passed down? Or is it just simply the way each person’s made?
SPEAKER 13 :
You know, it’s simply the person that’s made. And we have now 12 cases of people who were on intravenous iron. And one of the cases, my wife and I were at a conference and we were walking through some of the booths at Exhibitor booth, and a lady came out, she saw my sign, the Flora sign, and she said, are you guys the guys who are making the Ferriton Plus? I said, yes. And then she came and hugged me and my wife and said, you saved my life. I was for 20 years on intravenous iron. I felt like it was worse than diabetes. It’s so hard to get the iron into my body. And she said, you gave me a normal life back. And she took, she started taking it and she’s like a normal person now. It has no side effects anymore. No reaction to the iron. It’s completely off. And we have 12 cases like this now. We’re off intravenous iron, which is just insane. You know, when you think of something so cheap, like $30 for a month, and you take that, and then it takes you off into Venus iron, which normally can’t take care. We spend millions every year to get people to get iron into people’s bodies because they can’t get it in. And it’s such a simple, simple solution, natural, organic, and it works. And that’s… Really, I mean, since I hear that some of your family members are also taking iron infusion, so she will be a new person taking it. She will be a completely new person.
SPEAKER 06 :
Believe me, I will recommend that highly. Now, I guess without having an actual test, the ferritin test, how would somebody know they’re low on iron? I mean, outside of just feeling this sluggishness and so on, is there other symptoms folks can look at to know they’re iron deficient?
SPEAKER 13 :
Well, that’s the thing. You have to really check your ferritin level to know your iron deficiency. You might have a lot of iron in your blood, but it might not be in your ferritin. So there’s still the transaction from blood to your ferritin. So if it’s not done properly, then you might still feel tired and taking all the supplements. It’s really very, very important that it gets… into the ferritin storage area, which the body uses for the actual iron distribution inside your body.
SPEAKER 06 :
I don’t think we talked about this last time, but I had a question I was thinking of after you and I had talked the last time, and that is there are folks out there, I’m sure there are some listening, where there are certain things that they have to take on a routine basis, either vitamins or maybe even prescription drugs, depending upon what they have going on in their life. Are there things that people take regularly? that could even make this this scenario worse or is it just you know you’re you’re iron deficient you’re iron deficient no matter what in other words what i’m getting at is are there things that people could be taking environmentally speaking through you know drugs and other things that actually make this worse
SPEAKER 13 :
Yeah, that’s a very good point. So if you take, for example, just look at sugar and salt. When you buy sugar or salt in the stores, it’s usually very refined. It’s very white, the salt is very white, and also the sugar is very white. And you’re stripping all the minerals out. So once you take sugar and white sugar comes into your body continuously, or even salt, it becomes chemically aggressive and wants to be back in harmony. So it drains the minerals back out of your bones and your bloodstream to be whole again. So you’re continuously eating lots of sugar, ice cream, refined foods, but then you’re draining your body continuously of the magnesium, the calcium, the ions. So that’s really, really essential. for people to change their diet. You gotta change your diet, get off refined foods, or minimize it so the base is good. And if you go out and have a nice kicker, so that’s fine. But just have the basis be good, as a whole food diet, whole grains. Because the whole grains is another thing. If you have a lot of white flour products, you don’t take the roughage. which cleanses your intestines. And inside the intestines, all these little microvilli. And the microvilli is actually absorbing the nutrients. So if you take a lot of refined foods and eat a heavy meat diet, it builds up a sludge inside these microvilli. And unless you eat a lot of fiber products, that’s lost sludge builds up and then starts rotting literally and then these toxins create diseases they might create a weak heart or make a weak heart already create a heart attack these things have like a chain reaction okay so it’s really important to get the heavier There’s an old saying, some of these old doctors in Germany always said that death sits in the colon. So if you don’t have a clean colon, how can you absorb your nutrients? Yes, we in America, we tend to make up for it by taking overdoses of nutrients because we absorb so little. So it’s really important. You need to have a really good, balanced diet with a lot of whole foods in it, lots of fresh vegetables, which clean and keep the body clean. That will help better absorption, basically, of other nutrients.
SPEAKER 06 :
One thing in my notes, I don’t think we talked about this last time you were on either, but caffeine can block iron absorption. In other words, you need to time your coffee and maybe other caffeine drinks that you may be drinking wisely.
SPEAKER 13 :
Absolutely. I mean, if you take an iron supplement like ours, I would just take it before you start any other coffee. Otherwise, it would slow down the iron process absorption for sure again.
SPEAKER 06 :
Also says pair it with other vitamins, i.e. vitamin C, which I know that one we did talk about last time we were on, but we get different people listening, you know, different audience every time we’re on air. Talk about that as well.
SPEAKER 13 :
Vitamin C can help iron absorption, the regular iron. In our case, from our ferritin, our ferritin is quite different because we discovered that the bean molecular structure is very much the same to 99.9% as the ferritin in the human body. So when bees stuff through a fermentation process, stuff the iron into a bean protein, then the body sinks its ferritin in and it bypasses the iron absorption pathway. So it goes right into the bloodstream as a full ferritin molecule, full loaded up with iron. That’s why the absorption is so rapidly. I had another lady, a friend of ours, you know, and iron absorption is such a crazy thing because people You know, they have so many problems and nothing really helps up to now. Nothing ever helped. And she, one of these friends who, you know, has taken iron supplements all her life. And I told her, well, we have these new iron supplements. And we gave it to her. And then she just never took it. And then all of a sudden, like three years later, she calls me frantically from my parking lot. And I call on the phone and say, hey, what’s going on? And she was crying. I said, my doctor said I need a blood transfusion. My iron levels are so low. And I said, but I only started taking your product like a day before. She said, yeah, okay. I said, don’t worry about it. And she didn’t want to have a blood transfusion. She doesn’t believe in blood transfusion. So she said, You can double up in a dose, take two cabas, and just take it and go back to the doctor in 10 days and have your eye checked. And sure enough, in 10 days, which was from a case where she would become so deficient, she went back to normal level, which is phenomenal. That is phenomenal.
SPEAKER 06 :
All right, before we move on, and this is something I should have talked about to begin with, I apologize. How do folks get your product?
SPEAKER 13 :
You can get it online easily. Any good health food store, Whole Foods will have it, but you can buy it just from Amazon. It would be easy, but any good health food store would have it. Also, Sprouts has it too.
SPEAKER 06 :
Okay, so again, where I bought it, folks, I just went online. You can buy it online. It makes it really easy. You guys have a great website. It works out perfect that way.
SPEAKER 13 :
Just Ferritin Iron Supplement, Ferritin Plus Iron Supplement, if you put that in. FloraHealth.com is our website.
SPEAKER 06 :
Okay, and is there truth to, Thomas, is something else, and I was talking about this with some folks the other day, and a lot of people come to me and ask me questions. They know I do health and wellness and so on, so I was having a conversation the other day, and we specifically got to talking about iron, and And is there, you know, is it true that, you know, red meat has a lot of iron, and is that really the case? Do you still need to supplement if you’re eating, you know, more red meat maybe than what somebody else would be? Is there other types of foods that have natural iron in it, for example?
SPEAKER 13 :
Well, natural iron, all the green leafy vegetables have iron content, okay, and also seaweeds. Like sushi or sushi seaweed. Seaweeds are very good in iron. And of course, beans. Some beans have more than others, but beans are good in iron. But dark leafy vegetables, spinach, kale… uh their um charts with swiss charts and so on they have all really good iron content it helps but it doesn’t mean that still the body has to absorb right iron element by one element it doesn’t matter if it’s for meat from fish or from the plant it takes it through the iron process the iron absorption process and pulls in one iron element by the time. So if you want a quick load up, it will still take some time to replenish it by eating this food. It will take you a few weeks to replenish it because the body can only absorb one iron element after another.
SPEAKER 06 :
Okay, okay. Now, when it comes to getting this ferritin test that you talk about, is that something folks can go right to the doctor and ask for? Can they go to a regular lab? What’s the best way for them to get that done?
SPEAKER 13 :
Anywhere you do a blood test, you can say, but you have to say, don’t check just the iron, because the non… Most doctors, they don’t have to even study nutrition. Most doctors don’t know it, the ferritin. You really should check your ferritin level, not the iron in your blood. If you want to have the real state of your iron absorption in your body, then you have to check your ferritin level.
SPEAKER 06 :
What I’m getting from you is that’s not going to be in a standard blood test. You have to specifically ask for that. Is that what you’re saying?
SPEAKER 13 :
You have to specifically ask for it because people will not do it. The labs will know that they do for the ferritin, but they will not automatically do it.
SPEAKER 06 :
Okay, so that’s something for all of you to think about. And if you’re going to do that, get that done. I guess, Thomas, the other question I’ve got is, I mean, without that test, there’s really no way to know whether you’re iron deficient or not. I mean, I guess if you’re just constantly tired and you’re having struggles along those lines, pretty good indicator you may be iron deficient. But let’s say you’re healthy, you feel good, you’ve got good energy and so on. You wouldn’t know you’re iron deficient without that test, right?
SPEAKER 13 :
It would be hard. I mean, I am a vegetarian now over 40 years. and I tend to go on the low iron level and I actually know my body well enough and i saw because at the beginning i thought i just got tired too much working it but then i then we started delivering our ferritin i started taking it and i noticed such a huge difference myself so now i know i don’t take it every day but i take it like every two or three days and i if i get slightly higher during the day if i don’t make it to the day i know i need my i need some iron and sure enough i take one capsule immediately pop back up It goes that fast. That fast it goes. It’s remarkable. I’ve never seen anything in my life because I’ve done a lot of ion supplements. We sell liquid ion supplements for many years. And, you know, they’re just not the same level as our new protein, ferritin-based ion. It’s just so different in the absorption.
SPEAKER 06 :
Okay. So fast. Tips on your particular product and when to take it. Is there times we should, shouldn’t take it? I mean, times of the day, before meal, after meal. Does any of that matter, Thomas?
SPEAKER 13 :
Yeah, I would say before the meal, as soon as I get up, I take my popper capsule, and it gets me through the day. Okay.
SPEAKER 06 :
And is it hard on your gut, or does it digest pretty easily?
SPEAKER 13 :
That’s the fantastic part. You have zero side effects, zero toxicity. We did already a pre-toxic study we had to do for the European registration, and we gave the rats… 600 times higher iron that they would actually be able to, they would die already. There’s 10 times more. And so there’s 600 times more iron content. And none, not one rat had any side effects. And I can say that for myself too. I mean, if I take two, three capsules, you want, if you take too much, you just pour it basically out. Gotcha.
SPEAKER 06 :
Gotcha. Okay. Good to know. Again, the website, and I don’t know, we mentioned the website, FloraHealth. Is it FloraHealth.com? I don’t remember. I’m sorry, Thomas.
SPEAKER 13 :
Correct, yeah. FloraHealth.com.
SPEAKER 06 :
FloraHealth.com. So those of you interested in this, look it up. There’s more products, by the way, than just this iron supplement. But look at all the products. It’s solid. I’m using it as we speak. It works fabulous. And, Thomas, everything you’ve talked about, yep, I’m a believer in, and I appreciate your time today. And again, I mean that. And I know it’s kind of last minute getting you on air, but I appreciate your kindness in joining us today.
SPEAKER 13 :
No, I really appreciate the opportunity. Thank you so much.
SPEAKER 06 :
You’re very welcome, Thomas.
SPEAKER 13 :
Have a great rest of your day.
SPEAKER 06 :
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SPEAKER 04 :
Suck it up, buttercup. Back to Rush to Reason.
SPEAKER 06 :
Okay, we are back. Rush to Reason, Debra’s Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560. Joe, go ahead, sir.
SPEAKER 10 :
John, a quick story for your senior listeners. I always know my hemoglobin because I donate blood every two months. Right. And before they take your blood, they do a hemoglobin test. Correct. And I would always come in between 14.5 and 15, which is kind of, you know, good, you know, on the high side of good. And one day I went in to give blood, and she said, wow, 13.2. She said, if you were any lower, we couldn’t take your blood.
SPEAKER 05 :
Hmm.
SPEAKER 10 :
And I couldn’t figure out why I was so low, but I had also noticed, coincidentally, that I work out five days a week, and I normally ride the bike on a pretty aggressive hill profile, and I noticed that my legs were getting tired near the end. My legs were struggling to finish the workout. And, of course, hemoglobin is what carries oxygen to the muscles. So I go home and I remember that my wife had, you know, bought me new bottle of vitamins like Centrum Silver, you know, Centrum Senior, whatever. And I look on the label and there’s no iron. And so then I go to the store, you know, I go to Walmart and John, I picked up every senior vitamin bottle there was, male senior vitamins. Not a single male senior vitamin had iron. Now, the women did, but the males didn’t. So I’m looking, okay, you know, why do you have they? So a couple of weeks later, I go to see my physician for my physical. I said, by the way, why did they eliminate iron for seniors on senior vitamins? He said, because it can tend to make you constipated, and they don’t want to constipate people.
SPEAKER 06 :
But the other side of it is way worse.
SPEAKER 10 :
Way worse. But anyway, so if you’re a man and you’re taking a senior vitamin, read the label, and if you found one that has iron, great. But what I did, by the way, is I simply then take a 65-microgram iron supplement every day, and I gave blood about three weeks ago, and I was right back up, I think, at a 14.7. Nice. But again, I didn’t realize… that male senior vitamins, they take the iron out.
SPEAKER 06 :
And unless you’re eating a ton of lean… Okay, dumb question. We’ve got a minute left here. But typically, not to get too weird here, but typically the constipation side is more on the female side than the male side. So what you are saying makes no sense to me at all, Joe.
SPEAKER 10 :
Yeah, I’ve never had any problem, John.
SPEAKER 06 :
No, that makes any sense to me.
SPEAKER 10 :
Yeah, but that’s what my doctor told me, is that he said, no, he said… because too much iron can tend to make you const, and they don’t want old people, you know, straining to have a bowel movement.
SPEAKER 05 :
So weird.
SPEAKER 10 :
So anyway, so I take the iron supplement. I’m back in the 14 and a half to 15. I have no problem with bowel movements. But again, if you’re taking it like a Centrum Silver or something, check the label. There’s probably no iron. And a good way to check your hemocrit, donate blood every day. You know, do something nice for the world. And the first thing they’ll do before they take your blood is do a hemoglobin test. And you want to be, you know, north of 14. And if you’re not north of 14, you should probably be taking an iron supplement.
SPEAKER 06 :
Yep, way to go. Joe, great advice. I appreciate it greatly. Have a good rest of your day. All right, and we’ll talk to you tomorrow night. And that’s Joe from Jersey. Appreciate him very much. And, yeah, by the way, we don’t really talk about blood donation much. We should, actually. It’s something that you should do. I do it on a routine basis. Joe does it on a routine basis. It is something that’s important, and some of you that have the most rare blood types really should be giving on a routine basis. But that’s another conversation for another day. Maybe I’ll get an actual blood bank folk on and have an interview that way as well in the future. Anyways, hour number two is coming up next. Don’t go anywhere. Rush to Reason, Denver’s Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560.
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