In this politically charged hour of Rush to Reason, John Rush and Andy Peth take an in-depth look at the growing battle inside the Colorado Republican Party as candidates position themselves for the governor’s race and other key statewide contests. The discussion focuses heavily on electability, voter demographics, campaign strategy, and what it will actually take for Republicans to compete in modern Colorado politics.
The hosts analyze the strengths and weaknesses of major Republican candidates including Greg Lopez, Scott Bottoms, Victor Marks, and Barb Kirkmeyer. They debate which candidates can realistically appeal to unaffiliated voters, which are too ideologically rigid
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SPEAKER 14 :
Okay, hour number two, Rush to Reason, Denver’s Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560. All right, several things I want to talk about during this hour. We’ve got Eli Bremmer joining us in the 5 o’clock hour. We’re going to talk about a few things locally in that hour as well. But currently, and I had asked Andy this earlier and even promo’d this, and this is not a knock against any candidate. You guys heard me talk yesterday a lot about Greg Lopez. I’ve talked about Barb Kirkmeyer and Scott Bottoms and, of course, Victor March. Now, the one thing I’m asking Andy, just – Spitballing, talking strategy and so on. And so please, all of you that are supporters of any of the people that we talk about, don’t get all upset. Don’t get all excited. I’m not ditzing or downing your particular candidate. I’m just talking in general. What does it take for each one of these candidates to move the football forward? Because right now on the primary ballot that you guys as Republicans are going to have is going to be Barb Kirkmeyer. Victor Marks, and Scott Bottoms. We’re going to talk about those three. I talked about Greg Lopez a lot yesterday. He did an interview earlier today on a competitive radio station that I actually listened to, and I’ll just tell you straight up, unimpressive. I know there’s some Greg Lopez supporters out there listening to me, but I’m sorry to say, unimpressive, and even this host that was, by the way, very kind and probably kinder than I would have been, basically said the same thing. I didn’t hear Greg say anything earth-shattering that if I were an independent
SPEAKER 03 :
Okay.
SPEAKER 14 :
I’m just saying that. So my next question, though, for Andy. Go ahead.
SPEAKER 03 :
May I talk on Greg for a moment? Go ahead. He can’t win.
SPEAKER 14 :
I know.
SPEAKER 03 :
Okay, but I mean, really, he can’t win. I know, the numbers won’t allow it. No, the numbers don’t allow it. You can’t, first of all, you can say, well, the parties are only 22.5%, 24.5%, whatever, 25%. Look, John, but the loyalty to the parties is much higher than that. Correct. If you look at the unaffiliated voters, you have a massive percentage of unaffiliated voters who are totally committed to one of the two parties. All right. And that is something that is not going to change with a guy who comes along and says, oh, guess what? I’m unaffiliated. I’m independent. That doesn’t make any difference. They vote the R. The reason that they’re not a Republican or a Democrat, a lot of it is because they don’t want to get the mail. They don’t want to get hit up all the time for donations. They don’t want to be put on mailing lists. They just want to avoid the entire process because in Colorado, you can vote in the primaries without doing that.
SPEAKER 14 :
Correct.
SPEAKER 03 :
But they are absolutely dedicated to their party.
SPEAKER 14 :
You’re right. Okay, so given all of that, and knowing that you’re going to have to reach out as a candidate, Scott Bottoms, Kirk Meyer, and Victor Marks in this case, you’re going to have to reach out to the unaffiliated voter because that is the largest voting block there, and you need a certain percentage of that if there’s any chance at all of you winning. Right. We’ll talk about the… the data a little bit further, and I did a bunch of that in yesterday’s program. But Victor Marks, let’s talk about him for a minute. We haven’t talked much about him. I don’t know the man, never met him, never talked to him, never interviewed him. I know some of his supporters. I hear he’s a great guy. Frankly, I don’t have a foggiest idea. He has two. I have not been involved in the vetting process. I have no idea how all this works. But what I do know is he’s taking a lot of heat from a lot of people outside of the Victor Marks camp and E4. And I said earlier on I wouldn’t have debated either. But it’s now at a point where I feel like he needs to be, but he still isn’t. Right. You and I both said don’t debate until after the assembly. Right. Which we which we’re here now. We’re here now. And there’s been some there’s even been some really public ones whereby, you know, Channel 7, for example, does a debate. That’s one where everybody’s able to watch that. You don’t have to be entrenched into your party to, you know, to go to one of the what I would call, you know, incestual internal debates. Right. You know, debates that this is not. And I and I would agree with him on those. I wouldn’t have gone to those either, because frankly, it’s a waste of time because it’s only the internal people that have already made up their mind who they’re going to vote for anyways. So why go?
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah, they’re only there to cheer.
SPEAKER 14 :
But we’re beyond that. So now if you’re Victor Marx, what do you do, Andy? Because he’s not doing it.
SPEAKER 03 :
Okay. I think that Victor Marks has a couple of really big problems.
SPEAKER 13 :
Okay.
SPEAKER 03 :
Okay. And before we even get to the one you’re talking about, I want to do another one. He has a real problem with his followers. Okay. They come off as cult members.
SPEAKER 13 :
I know.
SPEAKER 03 :
Too many of them come off as cult members. They really do. They cannot defend him point by point very well.
SPEAKER 14 :
I know.
SPEAKER 03 :
Okay, there’s a lot of, you know, concerns about emotion there. There’s a lot of concerns that people are bringing up about money that came into his ministry and how he spent it. Did he put this money toward this, toward that, toward the other? Now, some of these things are coming from the bottoms camp, and frankly, they sound kind of ludicrous. They’re not well-backed. Other things sound a lot more solid, but the biggest problem is this. He’s not answering them. His followers, I believe, are hurting him with general Colorado voters. I don’t believe that the average unaffiliated voter in Colorado likes the fact that this guy is followed by a bunch of people who come off as basically religious zealots for him, seeing him as their deliverer. That is a turnoff in Colorado. Colorado, first of all, is not a very religious state anymore, let’s be honest. And I’m very religious. My degree is in the ministry. I like the religion, but I’m talking about him. His followers are turning off, I believe, a lot of voters in Colorado. I think when a lot of normal, outside the base voters in Colorado talk to his followers, they see wide-eyed zealots who remind them of some of the crazy-eyed people they’ve seen on TV.
SPEAKER 14 :
First of all, is that fair? I can’t argue that. And by the way, I know some of his supporters, and some of them are really good, solid people, and they’re not that individual. Oh, they’re very nice. Unfortunately, they’re the minority.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah, they’re very nice, but they come off as wild-eyed and naive, not knowledgeable, okay? Now, the bottom supporters come off as incredibly aggressive. They really turn off the middle, okay? The middle, I mean, is terrified of them.
SPEAKER 14 :
Well, that’s because they’re Davidians.
SPEAKER 03 :
They are Davidians.
SPEAKER 14 :
Sorry, but they are. That’s who they are.
SPEAKER 03 :
Right. And, you know, one of these days we’ve got to explain again what Davidians are, but not right now. Getting back to Marx, here’s the other big problem, John. When you spend this long avoiding scrutiny, hard scrutiny, it looks bad. It looks really bad. And we are now to the point where this is affecting him. It’s not going to begin affecting him. It is affecting him. And I think it’s going to affect him in a general election. Now, can he still surge? to take the Republican nomination just because of the number of followers that he has, the movement that he has behind him? Yes, he can, because the other two candidates are not very strong. I believe Kirk Meyer is easily the most marketable to the Colorado market in general, but that’s not what you’re trying to win. You’re trying to win a primary. And that’s going to be a little harder because both the Bottoms and Mark supporters… Look at her as this compromising moderate, you know, because they don’t understand the market at all. Bottom supporters are totally in market denial.
SPEAKER 14 :
Yes.
SPEAKER 1 :
100%.
SPEAKER 14 :
They have no idea what the market is. Andy, they don’t even know we have a market.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah. At least Marx supporters understand two things. Number one, they understand, look, if you want to have a chance in Colorado, you’ve got to have a movement.
SPEAKER 14 :
Right.
SPEAKER 03 :
And by the way, Barb, you don’t have one. No offense.
SPEAKER 14 :
She does not.
SPEAKER 03 :
And number two, you’ve got to have not a little money, but a lot of money. And guess what? Only one candidate does, and that’s Marx. That’s him. So he has the movement. He has the money. He has the likability, the personable feel to him. Very much so. Not that he’s a great speaker. He’s okay.
SPEAKER 14 :
Yeah, thank you.
SPEAKER 03 :
He’s just okay.
SPEAKER 14 :
On a scale of 1 to 10, he’s a 5. He’s a 5.
SPEAKER 03 :
We don’t have a Rubio. Okay, there is no Rubio in Colorado.
SPEAKER 14 :
But I’m telling you— Yeah, no, out of all of the—and I will give Scott some credit here. Out of all of the candidates, even from Weiser to Bennett to Kirkmeyer to Bottoms to Lopez to Marks, I will say that Scott Bottoms is probably the most— Eloquent. Because he’s a pastor and he knows how to do this and so on. He’s probably the most dynamic and eloquent out of all of those.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yes, he is.
SPEAKER 14 :
I’ll give him credit there. The problem is his stance on things won’t get him elected.
SPEAKER 03 :
He’s absolutely unelectable. We’ll get to Scott in a moment. But getting back to Victor, I think that’s – his big problem is really threefold. Number one, of course, he is this pastor type, and that’s not going to sell well in Colorado. Number two, his followers – come off like cult followers. And people look at them and they’re just like, you come off like you are just, you come off like the cult followers of either Obama or Biden. I mean, Obama or Trump. Okay, both sides. Where you got people who will not listen to anyone criticize their guy. You come off like that. You can’t respond to anything. You can’t answer anything. All you do is gush about him. I’m sorry, that’s not persuasive. In fact, it’s a turnoff to the middle. And finally, he has gone too long in avoiding scrutiny. He has to get in there, and he has to have some very good answers, and he’s got to have them soon.
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SPEAKER 14 :
Okay, we are back. Rush to Reason, Denver’s Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560. Myself, Andy Pate, Charlie Grimes. Okay, I want to jump back to yesterday just for a moment because you weren’t here and I wanted to just make sure that I was thinking correctly and running things by you and so on. And I get it. There was an addition to Greg Lopez’s party yesterday, Tara Lynn Romero, who I know very well, by the way, decided to be his lieutenant governor recently. running mate. And I didn’t say this yesterday, but let me go ahead and say this today. And I like Tara Lynn. She’s a great lady. I’ve met with her numerous times on some of the causes that she’s had. We’ve helped her, by the way, with some of those causes on air. But I will tell you that politically speaking, you know, where does she and again, I know her very well. Where does she end up on the line as liberal versus conservative? She’s definitely in the middle, but but leans way more left than I can tell you that right now than Greg does. Greg’s not in the middle. Greg might try to make you think that he’s in the middle, but Greg is probably as far right as I am on certain things. And I, again, I had conversations with him over developers and housing and so on. He sounds like a liberal when you talk to me about those things. But in general, Greg is further right than I am on certain things.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yes.
SPEAKER 14 :
Am I, did I say all that correctly? You did. His running mate is not good. So here’s the question for you. Okay. Given the fact that you’ve now got two people that are on the ticket and one of them is going to try to attract her followers and he’s going to try to affect, you know, try to attract his followers. But on the same token, you’re going to have some people that are trying to decide who to follow. And yet you’ve got a ticket where it’s almost like you’ve got, and I’m not trying to be mean or rude here, but it’s almost like you’ve got a hardcore conservative and a left-leaning, you know, independent or, you know, I know Greg’s an affiliated. That’s what he calls himself. But he’s not. He’s a guy. He’s a Republican through and through. He’s just running as an affiliated so he can get on the ballot. That’s as simple as that. He even said that today on another program. So he literally is getting on the ballot as an affiliated because he doesn’t have to win a primary to do so.
SPEAKER 03 :
Well, let me jump in. Can I first do Greg and then her? OK, first of all, Greg will have no draw outside the Republican Party.
SPEAKER 14 :
Right. Because of who he is.
SPEAKER 03 :
And by Republican Party, I’m not just saying the registered Republicans. I mean Republicans and those unaffiliated who vote Republican.
SPEAKER 14 :
Who lean right. That’s right.
SPEAKER 03 :
OK, because and here are the reasons why, folks, if you haven’t heard these before, I’m sorry, but here you go. Number one, his entire brand over the last couple of decades has been built entirely on the right. entirely in the Republican Party. He has no brand on the left whatsoever. Number two, his views skew heavily to the right. Oh, heavily. They are not mainstream Colorado at all. The only place where he is is where he honestly goes socialist on housing.
SPEAKER 14 :
On housing, and even today he said something to the effect of, you know, there are certain instances where government needs to step in and take care of people. And even the host said, really? That’s not really the proper role of government. But yet Greg believes it is. He’s just trying to gain votes there.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah, but this is getting to where I’m going to be talking about her. What’s her name again? The lieutenant governor?
SPEAKER 13 :
Tara Lynn.
SPEAKER 03 :
Tara Lynn. Tara Lynn is going to lose him as many votes as she gains him. All right. Because she is pro-choice on abortion. OK. And that is that means that she will gain him some votes in that way. She’s also going to turn off a good number of those who would have voted for him. Because why? They’re going to look at him and say, Greg, you are a traitor. OK. You abandoned us just because you want to get you want to be in the middle and you want to get more votes from the other side for once. What are you doing? First of all, you’re taking up some positions like you heard on the other radio station that are left wing. So, number one, you’re taking up some left-wing positions. That doesn’t make you more marketable Republicans. So the only way you can reach Democrats at all is to kick Republicans in the teeth. And he’s doing that with his lieutenant governor choice as well.
SPEAKER 13 :
Good point.
SPEAKER 03 :
Here’s the other thing. Greg still, to this day, while he has been in a number of forums – with Republican candidates for governor recruiting from their voters. He has yet to be in a single debate with the two Democrat candidates for governor recruiting from their voters. He has not done one single debate with Weiser and Bennett to recruit from their voters.
SPEAKER 14 :
Correct.
SPEAKER 03 :
He’s only recruiting from ours. Yep. OK, you’re right. Well, I did an event over here. Nobody cares if you meet with some little group somewhere. OK, we want to know in what big televised events are you debating with that side to recruit from their voters? Only some stupid people. And yes, I said that only some stupid people on our side have allowed you to get in our debates. And they were stupid by doing this. And I’m not just saying that now. I said that to them.
SPEAKER 14 :
You’re 100 percent correct. Okay, that was very foolish of them. I agree. You’re letting him recruit our voters. Extremely foolish. In fact, it’s anti-strategy. Yes. You’re basically then allowing, you know, that would be, basically what you guys just did is three interceptions.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yes.
SPEAKER 14 :
You just threw the ball to either team.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah.
SPEAKER 14 :
All you did was help the other team. That’s all you did.
SPEAKER 03 :
Now, let me tell you this, John, and this will be the last we say on Greg, and then we can look at the other candidates, okay? Okay. Greg Lopez knows he is helping the Democrats. He’s doing it on purpose. I believe so. He’s angry at the Republican Party. He wants to hurt the Republican Party and make it lose worse in Colorado. He knows he’s doing this. He knows his brand has been totally built on the right. He knows he’s only going to the major events where he is recruiting votes from the right. He knows that virtually all of his traditional views are on the right. He knows he’s not going to appeal beyond the right. He wants to hurt us and take our votes and hurt us worse. And he also knows what you said yesterday, that he’s going to hurt other races, okay? Because here’s what’s going to happen. Because he will. Yeah. Look, folks, Bennett, once the Democrats look at Bennett, it’s going to be the candidate, right? And they see that they were going to probably win anyway, but then they see that Greg is going to draw a few percent and it’s going to be almost entirely from the right. What are they going to do with their money? They’re going to put their money into CD8 and they’re going to take out our CD8 candidate.
SPEAKER 14 :
CD8, CD3.
SPEAKER 03 :
And by the way, I think CD8 is almost lost at this point. And it’s too bad because we have, Gabe is a great candidate. I think CD8 is almost lost. All right. Just because it’s a blue wave year and they’re going to move their money there. And secondly, CD3 is at risk now.
SPEAKER 14 :
You’re right.
SPEAKER 03 :
Because of the Davidians unwilling to vote for our candidate there because they’re dumb. And by the way, the Davidians have no loyalty to our party either.
SPEAKER 14 :
And keep in mind, here’s how it breaks down, just so you all know, because I don’t know if we’ve ever said this, because some of these races, they’re sewn up, doesn’t matter who we run, they’re going to win no matter what. So CD1 is, of course, Diana DeGette. She is unseatable. Until she decides to quit, she will have that seat.
SPEAKER 03 :
It’s deep blue.
SPEAKER 14 :
Yes, it’s very deep blue. Boulder, Fort Collins, the mountain area, CD2, that’s Joe Neguse. Same situation there. You’re not going to, I’m sorry to say, it would take a miracle to try to win either one or two. Three, the Western Slope, Jeff Hurd, which is another area where the Democrats, again, given what we’re talking about with Greg Lopez and the money sides of things, they will put money into the Western Slope. And Jeff Hurd is at risk.
SPEAKER 03 :
He is at risk. And by the way, folks, if Jeff Hurd had not been our candidate last time, we would have lost CD3.
SPEAKER 14 :
Correct. CD4, Lauren Boebert, probably safe. She’ll have a run for her money, but not enough to where it’s going to affect anything one way or the other. Carter Springs, CD5, Jeff Crank, that’s another one that the Dems will put money into because that area is changing.
SPEAKER 03 :
They’ll put money in there. I predict Crank holds it.
SPEAKER 14 :
Yeah, I think you’re right.
SPEAKER 03 :
I think we win four and five, nothing else.
SPEAKER 14 :
CD6 is Jason Crowe, who’s an absolute moron, by the way, a complete traitor to the country. But he’s Aurora, East Metro Denver. His seat is safe. My district, CD7, which is Jeffco, West Denver suburbs, is Brittany Pedersen. And again, she is safe just because of who she is and what she’s done. And she doesn’t rock the boat and so on. And then CD8, which is where the Dems will definitely put some money. That’s the one we were talking about with Gabe Evans. So there’s two for sure. Three and eight that they will definitely pour some money into.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah, that’s where they’re going to put their primary money. If I’m the Democrats, I look at it this way. Thank you, Greg Lopez, who knows he’s helping them. Yes. He knows. Look, Greg’s not dumb, folks. He knows. He knows exactly who he’s helping, and he likes it. He wants to. He’s angry at the Republican Party. Oh, Andy, you’re psychoanalyzing him. No, I’m looking at the plain results of what he’s doing and the fact that he’s a smart guy who knows what he’s doing. Okay? Mm-hmm. He is helping them. Here’s what’s going to happen. The Democrats are going to look at the governor race and say, we’re not going to spend on that.
SPEAKER 14 :
Right. Why would we?
SPEAKER 03 :
I mean, he’s going to have a, you know, Bennett will have a big war chest, of course, but they’re going to divert quite a bit of money to mainly CD8. Gabe Evans, he won by less than 1% in a red wave. Think about it. OK, he’s he’s vulnerable anyway. Just and it’s too bad because Gabe Evans is a perfect candidate for that district. Absolutely perfect. In the next hour, by the way, Eli Bremer is going to be talking some about the candidate that the Davidians put up against Gabe Evans. who is now out of the race. You’re going to love that.
SPEAKER 14 :
Really quick, I got a text message in that says, what do you think when Greg mentions that he’s been invited to Democrat events? Victor Marks was actually on Fox saying he’s getting Democrats to donate to his campaign. Okay, you’re all going to get some of that no matter what you’re doing as far as that goes. But when Greg mentions that he’s been to some Democrat events, I would call those coffee shop type meetings. Tiny meetings. You might have 20, 25 people there at best, and I’m probably exaggerating when I say that.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah. Look, guys.
SPEAKER 14 :
There’s not hundreds or thousands there, folks.
SPEAKER 03 :
No, and all you’ve got to think about is this. Is he debating their top two candidates? He’s been debating ours. He has been on panels debating against our top candidates, except for Marks, who hasn’t participated.
SPEAKER 05 :
Correct.
SPEAKER 03 :
Okay. And not theirs. That’s all you need to know. Well, yeah, but no, no, no, no, no. That’s it. That’s all you need to know. Because all those little meetings, they mean nothing. And by the way, there aren’t many. Mostly he’s just going to Republican meetings. Okay. CD3, here’s how the Democrats look at it. CD8, they are very confident they’re going to pick it up. Yeah. And Greg is helping in that regard. Yes. CD3 is very vulnerable. We won that by about four points, which, by the way, was staggering. One incredible performance by Jeff Hurd.
SPEAKER 14 :
And that’s one, too, that just really quick that we call them the Davidians, but that’s the one where Dave Williams and the Davidians did everything they possibly can to have or could have, I should say, to upset that particular race. They didn’t want that to happen. Right. And had they had their way, we would have lost.
SPEAKER 03 :
Oh, yeah. Then, you know, we’re going to be talking in the next hour about their candidates. Ron Hanks before, and now he’s running again. An unbelievably bad candidate. I mean, it is hard. He’s breathtaking. He’s so bad. And then they had Hope Shepelman for a while, who, wow.
SPEAKER 14 :
They’re just wackos.
SPEAKER 03 :
I mean, somebody who can’t prove her own stalker exists. A total crazy.
SPEAKER 13 :
I know.
SPEAKER 03 :
Okay. Anyway, CD3 is at risk. CD5, I believe we’re going to hold. So I believe that after what it’s going to be is.
SPEAKER 14 :
Right now it’s four to four.
SPEAKER 03 :
Right now it’s four to four. It will either be five to three or six to two, I believe, after November.
SPEAKER 14 :
That’s awful, guys.
SPEAKER 03 :
And Greg is helping make that happen.
SPEAKER 14 :
And Greg is contributing to that. Yes. Thank you very much.
SPEAKER 03 :
Knowingly.
SPEAKER 14 :
I said that yesterday.
SPEAKER 03 :
He knows he is.
SPEAKER 14 :
And by the way, here’s my disappointment with a lot of other shows in town. No one besides me. and Andy, but no one besides us here on Rush to Reason is calling Greg out on the money sides of things. I listen. I listen to some of the other interviews. You guys send me links and so on. I don’t listen to all of them, but I do hear what some of the other hosts have to say, and I’m not knocking other hosts. Some of them listen to me, I know, and I’m not knocking you guys for this, but why don’t you call him out on the money side? He’s sending money down ticket, Greg is. I don’t know why more media personalities like myself don’t call him out on that.
SPEAKER 03 :
Right.
SPEAKER 14 :
He’s making it so the Democrats can move money around other correct races, because when you don’t have to move it to the governorship, you can move it other places.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah. And the governorship’s the big boy. Look, they’re still going to spend a bunch of money on it because they want to win big, because obviously that’ll give them coattails. Now, here’s another thing beyond even moving the money. Greg turns it even into even more of a route. That’s when you have a thing called coattails. When you have the Democrat candidate win by the numbers that it’s looking like they will in this November, that carries other races.
SPEAKER 14 :
Mm-hmm. That’s right.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah, it’s huge.
SPEAKER 14 :
I know. And I’ve said it. I debated somebody online all through the show yesterday that doesn’t believe me, thinks I’m crazy, wants to start a pool whereby whoever wins, we can donate money to whatever your favorite charity is, things along those lines, which I guess I need to work on and see how I could potentially put that together, but disagrees with my numbers, especially now that Greg has a running mate. But I’m still standing by my numbers that as long as Greg stays in, we lose on our side by at least 23 points. We lost last time by 19. We’re going to add another four to five points on top of that with Greg being in the race.
SPEAKER 03 :
It’s going to be interesting. By the way, we haven’t really looked at the other two Republican candidates. You want to do that after the break?
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SPEAKER 14 :
All right, we are back. Rush to Reason, Denver’s Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560. A text message just came in. I think this one’s worth repeating. Some of these are internal, and sometimes it’s personal. I don’t want to mention some of those. But somebody texted in a moment ago, do I think that Greg Lopez is being paid by the Democrats? And folks, no. I know Greg well enough that no, I don’t think that. What I do think, though, Greg has a huge ego. He wants to be on the ballot, and he has some really bad advisors around him advising him on what to do.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah, paid by the Democrats to do what he’s doing, you know, as an agent of theirs? No. However, do I think there are Democrats donating to him to help him do this destruction of the GOP? Yeah. Do you see the difference there? Yeah. Because Democrats are incredibly strategic, John. One thing I guarantee you is that Democrats look at Greg Lopez and say, please stay in.
SPEAKER 14 :
Mm-hmm.
SPEAKER 03 :
If we can keep this guy afloat, let’s help him.
SPEAKER 14 :
I agree.
SPEAKER 03 :
All right.
SPEAKER 14 :
Let’s talk about the other two.
SPEAKER 03 :
Okay. Let’s look at Scott Bottoms. Look, so many people don’t want to look at the market. I don’t know why. Okay. Now, as you know, I am pro-life. All right. And I believe that abortion is murdering for convenience. You with me? It’s killing for convenience now. However, if you were folks, get out of your church for a moment. I want you to go down to the mall. I want you to go to Park Meadows Mall. And I want you to ask 100 young people or even 100 any people. Should the government force a rape victim to carry the child of her rapist?
SPEAKER 14 :
They’re all going to say no.
SPEAKER 03 :
Let’s do 1,000. Out of 1,000, how many would say yes?
SPEAKER 1 :
999.
SPEAKER 03 :
You would say no, you mean.
SPEAKER 14 :
Yeah.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah. The government should not force. Because, folks, if you illegalize abortion in cases of rape, that’s what you’re talking about. You always got to look at this as how would the Democrats phrase this in an ad? They’re the ones who are going to have the money. They’re going to put the ads out. Those are going to be put out about your candidate, okay? So bottom supporters right now, I want you to be honest with me. I want you to be real. I want you to hear this. Here’s Scott Bottoms. Somebody, he was in a discussion, a transcript here with Representative Wilford of the other side. And he says, Someone, somebody who has been raped, who goes to seek an abortion is still choosing to murder a baby regardless of how that baby came into conception. Okay. He uses the word murder. All right. Now, would I, I’m talking to me now, Andy, would I still advocate for life in the case of rape? Yes, I would. Okay. Why? It’s not the baby’s fault that it came into the world in a bad situation. I understand that. Right. Okay. Okay. But this woman didn’t choose to be in that situation. So forcing her to save a life, forcing her with government power to save a life that she had nothing to do with creating and was forced upon her in a violent act. You can’t sell that.
SPEAKER 13 :
You cannot.
SPEAKER 03 :
Okay. Folks, right there, game, set, match. The ads that are going to be run on that, he will get slaughtered. This is a state that is probably 70-30 pro-choice.
SPEAKER 14 :
Yep, you’re right. Dave, what are your thoughts? Go ahead, sir.
SPEAKER 10 :
Yeah, I’m talking about Mr. Lopez there. The problem is that it’s been an endemic problem with the Colorado Republican Party since the 90s. You know, the thing is we’ve not had a strong party structure In 25 years, 30 years. Yeah, 25 years. When we had any kind of a movement towards unification, people like Mr. Lopez want to throw their thing in because if they can’t do it their way, then nobody’s going to do it. We’re not going to do it. And they’d rather us suffer losses and us go through what we have been for the last 15 years, 20 years between Hickenlooper and Polis than they would and supporting somebody that they might not agree with and then have us win, they’d rather lose. And what it reminds me of is Tom Tancredo. Tom Tancredo did the same thing years ago because, you know, the Falcons didn’t want to go along with him because at the time they’re telling him, tone it down, Tom, tone it down, Tom. It’s not your time, Tom. And he’s like, no, no, no, no. I don’t want to be on the bench. I’m going to be the ringleader. And when he wasn’t selected at primaries, guess what he did? Well, I’m going to run as an independent. What did he do? Handed the election to Polis. We wouldn’t be here right now had Tom done the right thing and put the party and principles ahead of his own personal vendettas that he wanted his axes to grind.
SPEAKER 03 :
Now, wasn’t that a more unique situation where the Republican candidate imploded?
SPEAKER 10 :
Yes. Yes, it did. Greg Mays was not a very good one, but It could have been a little more competitive. That’s fair.
SPEAKER 14 :
Really quick, I will tell you, and I’ll just tell you. Really quick, Dave, let me jump in. I want to say one other thing when it comes to Tom, because I know Tom fairly well, and I will tell you that despite what a lot of other people think about Tom, Tom is out for Tom. Tom is not out for the party. Tom is not out for anything that has to do with the party. Tom is out for Tom, and he’s proven that over and over again, and I don’t have much respect for Tom, period, just so you all know.
SPEAKER 10 :
Yeah, no, I’ve met him several times. I’ve met him in his office in D.C. when he was a congressman. So, you know, it was then that I realized, you know, this guy’s, out on his own. He’s run off the ranch, and there’s no bringing him back in to say we’re all a team.
SPEAKER 14 :
And by the way, really quick, he’s done as much to undermine the – I just had somebody a moment ago say, why is the Republican Party so fractured right now in Colorado? You know what? If I had to use one name and one name only, it wouldn’t even be Dave Williams. It would be Tom Tancredo as to why it is.
SPEAKER 10 :
Absolutely. Well, he set the groundwork. for Dave to come along. That’s right.
SPEAKER 14 :
If you ask me, he’s the mastermind behind most of what we have going on in Colorado right now. Most people won’t tell you that, but I will.
SPEAKER 10 :
Yeah, and I agree with you. And, you know, I think we’ve discussed that before, you know, that it’s my belief. I don’t know it for a fact, but it’s just my belief that, you know, they’ve infiltrated the Republican Party on purpose and they’re undermining it on purpose because, hey, you know what? They’ve sold themselves out. They’ve sold their souls out. to the radical left and they’re getting paid some way somehow. I’m not going to say it’s whether it’s monetary or not, but they’re getting deriving some kind of benefit from
SPEAKER 03 :
undermining the republican party in the state of colorado well dave and also look at some of the mindset of um greg lopez’s followers there’s one i won’t give his name but he is very prominent as one of greg lopez’s followers there’s two of them one he said to my wife on online uh just two days ago i believe it was that the republican party is going the way of the wigs And he was saying, you know, in other words, the Whigs, the party that the Republicans replaced. In other words, he’s delighting in the downfall of the Republican Party. These people hate the Republican Party. This is bitterness. They want to help in the destruction of the Republican Party. They’re dancing on the grave.
SPEAKER 14 :
Because they think they can rebuild it on their own, Dave. That’s why that’s it.
SPEAKER 03 :
So the thing is, well, in real quick here, one second, Dave, hang on so I can give the other one. And he has done nothing but attack and attack and attack the GOP ever since. These people hate the party. Greg Lopez wants to destroy the Republican Party. Go ahead, Dave.
SPEAKER 10 :
Yeah, just to throw out a facile example, you know, we’ve all or those of us that have played sports, you know, not all of us gets to be on the varsity team. You have to be able to suck it up when the coach says, yeah, you know what, you’re going down to JV. Or, you know what, you didn’t make it this time around. You can play for the position next week. And you suck it up and you get better. But you don’t go over to the other team and say, now I’m going to play for them against you. That’s what’s been going on.
SPEAKER 14 :
Can’t argue that, Dave. I think you’re describing it very well. Yes, you are.
SPEAKER 10 :
You may not have been selected this time, but guess what? Get on the bench. You know what? We’re going to build a bigger bench, and if we see it in you, we’re going to give you some acting classes or whatever you need to make yourself a stronger candidate for the next time around.
SPEAKER 14 :
And you just said something that’s key, and this is something some of our candidates don’t understand. You just said it a moment ago in the football analogy. Let’s see how better you get. And if you really do step up and you can be a real crucial member of the team and get off of the bench. Well, Dave, here’s a simple reality. Sometimes that player just never has that ability to do what you just said. They’re still a part of the team. They can still contribute. They can still help out in practices and so on and really help behind the scenes if you would. But at the end of the day, are they going to be a star player? No, they don’t have it in them.
SPEAKER 03 :
They’re not Michael Jordan. It’s just the way it is.
SPEAKER 14 :
And you just hit the nail on the head, Dave.
SPEAKER 03 :
Well, here’s another question, Dave. Taking a look at Greg Lopez, why does it have to be governor or Senate? You know what I mean? Well, Greg, you’re not being chose to be governor. You know, there are a lot of lower races where you would have been a powerful candidate and you could have swung a purple district our way.
SPEAKER 14 :
Well, you’re all forgetting that really you’d be helping our party. You’re all forgetting what Greg should have really done, which I advised him on a long time ago, is he should be the chair today.
SPEAKER 03 :
You know, I think he should have run for it because he would have won it. I think it would have been very good for him. I will say this, though. With the attitude he has shown, I’m glad he’s not.
SPEAKER 13 :
I know. I know.
SPEAKER 10 :
Go ahead. And the other thing, too, is what we’ve got to do is when the enemy’s beating you, you’ve got to stop and say, what are they doing right? All right? Obviously, they figured us out. What are they doing right? And so this is, and I forget what they called it. I think it was called the Colorado plan that the Democrats put into place. Blueprint. Yeah, blueprint. Yeah, but you know, the biggest thing about the- We could have done that. Oh, go ahead. Sorry. Like you just pointed out, Andy, he would have been better at a lower office. Yeah. Just the same. They’ve plugged in all these people on city councils. They’ve plugged these people in on county commissions. They’ve plugged these people in as dog catchers. But they’ve plugged them in. So now they control the political apparatus from the county level, from the city level on up. So how do you defeat that once they’re already entrenched? We should have been taking a page out of their playbook.
SPEAKER 14 :
And we should have. And to your point, they think more strategically than we do, not to say they don’t have some folks internally do undermining and so on. But we have far more of that that happens on our side than they do.
SPEAKER 10 :
Yeah. And so the thing is, like you guys pointed out, now that we’ve got our own problem with the Davidians within the party and their followers, how do you get them out now?
SPEAKER 14 :
Well, and I think the only way to do it, we’ll talk to Eli here at 5 o’clock, but Dave, in my opinion, this is just me, lowly little talk show, you know, John Rush here. My feeling is you’ve got to somehow get a movement whereby you can put a ballot measure together and eliminate caucus in Colorado. It’s the only way you’re going to move forward as a party.
SPEAKER 10 :
Well, it’s going to take drastic measures. But that’s what we’re going to have to do if we’re ever going to be able to bring back. I’m not ever going to say we’re ever going to be able to become a red state. But maybe we can bring back some common sense.
SPEAKER 14 :
At least bring some civility down to the Golden Dome, whereby right now they’re just running rip shot over us every single day. They just today passed a bill that will become law that basically takes all your Tabor away, Dave.
SPEAKER 10 :
And the party apparatus isn’t savvy enough to get out there and say, whoa, whoa, whoa, stop. I can’t do that. And I have enough people in place or the bank role to be able to go out on television and say, look, folks, this is what they’re doing down at the statehouse. That’s right. And this is how it affects you right now.
SPEAKER 14 :
You’re right.
SPEAKER 10 :
You’re right. But they’re not doing it.
SPEAKER 14 :
You’re not. Nope, they’re not doing it. Dave, I appreciate you as always. Thanks so much. Let’s do this. Golden Eagle Financial, they did an interview, or Al, I should say, did an interview of late. Listen to Al tomorrow on his own program, 2 to 2.30. You can find Al at klzradio.com.
SPEAKER 16 :
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SPEAKER 02 :
I think it’s an enormous exaggeration. I think there are some occasions where it might be in people’s best interest to replace an older annuity with a newer one, but to promise 10% or 12% returns, there’s only a very small percentage of annuities that have actually earned 10% or 12%. And sometimes unscrupulous returns People in the financial industry will use illustrations that are projected in the future, but have no clear examples of how it has actually occurred in the past.
SPEAKER 16 :
That’s probably a big red flag when people give those guarantees, isn’t it?
SPEAKER 02 :
Well, they don’t usually say it with guarantees, but they make it sound like, oh, for sure, if you have a poor-performing financial product, we can get you one that’s going to pay 10% or 12%, and it’s guaranteed against loss. Well, the guarantee against loss is true, but the 10% to 12% performance, there’s about, I would estimate, maybe a 5% chance of that actually occurring in the future.
SPEAKER 16 :
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SPEAKER 02 :
You can reach me at my office at 303-744-1128.
SPEAKER 16 :
All right. You can also find him on klzradio.com slash money. Al, thanks for coming in today.
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SPEAKER 14 :
And we are back, Rush to Reason, Denver’s Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560. Okay, Andy, talk to us about Kirkmeyer.
SPEAKER 03 :
Okay, really quick here, finish up bottoms. That was just the abortion issue, John. I haven’t even gone into the Democrat ads on so many of his other statements. They’re going to paint him as, they’re going to say flat out that he believes a rape victim who has an abortion is committed murder. They’re going to say that he is an election denier.
SPEAKER 14 :
Election denier. He’s against public schools. He doesn’t care about your kid.
SPEAKER 03 :
Blah, blah, blah. They’re going to tell all unaffiliated voters this man led a lawsuit to get you kicked out of the Republican primary. Yes. Okay. The ads against him write themselves. He would get slaughtered. 30-point loss minimum. Easy.
SPEAKER 01 :
As our candidate. Okay.
SPEAKER 03 :
Kirk Meyer, she’s not perfect either. Okay. Look, her views are much more centrist. But here are the issues with her. Number one, I believe that the supporters for the other two candidates will abandon her. Largely. I think you’re right. In general.
SPEAKER 14 :
Unfortunately, you’re correct.
SPEAKER 03 :
Right. So the base, she is not going to, the base is not going to follow her. A lot of it isn’t.
SPEAKER 14 :
No, they’ll go to Greg Lopez.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah, a fair amount will.
SPEAKER 14 :
A fair amount will.
SPEAKER 03 :
Right. And the crazies are going to go to Lopez because the crazies who support Bottoms will probably go to Lopez.
SPEAKER 14 :
That’s right. That’s right. Yeah. And by the way, and I’m sorry to say this, but I will, some of the Marks supporters, if he doesn’t win, they’ll just hang out. They won’t vote at all. They’ll just call it quits. Our guy didn’t make it. We’re done.
SPEAKER 03 :
Right. Right.
SPEAKER 14 :
No Messiah, no— Yeah, they’re not going to vote for Greg Lopez. They’re not going to vote for anybody. They’ll just be checked out, and they won’t do anything.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah, and by the way, they’ll get angry that I said Messiah. Folks, I know you like Jesus more. I get it. Okay, I’m not saying—it’s just that you treat him in Messianic terms almost. He’s the one who has come to deliver us— From evil. From evil here in Colorado. Okay, getting back to Kirkmeyer, we’ve got a real problem of delivery here. OK, she comes off like a list of talking points. OK, she doesn’t come off. She doesn’t have the persuasive persuasive ability of a bottoms. She doesn’t have the charisma of a Marx. OK, she comes off and just states her case. I got news for you. That’s great. If somebody is going to listen to her for 10 minutes, then she will win them over. I want you to know how many voters are going to listen to her for 10 minutes.
SPEAKER 14 :
They’re listening for 10 seconds, Andy.
SPEAKER 03 :
Exactly. That is the elevator pitch. That is the problem for Barb.
SPEAKER 14 :
I agree. I agree with you. And it’s not because I don’t like her. I’m just we’re just stating the facts on all the candidates right now and what it’s going to take to win.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah. Barb right now is positioned to do the best of the three in the general. There’s no question.
SPEAKER 14 :
Because of her beliefs and where she stands on things.
SPEAKER 03 :
And her past. Yes. And by the way, she’s also got a bulletproof past.
SPEAKER 14 :
Yeah. I will give her that.
SPEAKER 03 :
Okay.
SPEAKER 14 :
Yes.
SPEAKER 03 :
She doesn’t have any of the negatives and downsides the other two have.
SPEAKER 14 :
No, and she’s been in Colorado politics for a very long time, which, again, will help her. But keep in mind, folks, with all of that being said. So did Heidi. All of this being said, I want to make sure everybody hears me here. With all of that being said, Michael Bennett, given the fact that he’s a several-term senator in Colorado and has been in Colorado politics for a very long time and, again, has no black marks. No, the guy doesn’t have any huge successes, but he has no black marks against him. At the end of the day, he’s an easy win for Dems in Colorado. That’s why they’re running him, folks.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah, they’re not taking a chance.
SPEAKER 14 :
He is a great backup to Governor Polis. He will be a worse governor than Polis. Trust me, when it comes to your rights and taking things away and your freedoms and so on, he will be far worse than Governor Polis because he’s not as polished and probably has no ambitions. He did have an ambition at one time to be president. That went away. So he’s got no ambitions that way. So he’s not going to care how many of your rights he takes away. Am I right, Andy? Yes.
SPEAKER 03 :
John, Bonhams isn’t going to be the candidate. I predict his supporters abandon us. And we lose so big that not only does Bennett win, but he has a veto-proof majority.
SPEAKER 14 :
Oh, I can’t. You’re probably right about that.
SPEAKER 03 :
I believe they have a super majority.
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SPEAKER 14 :
Back to Rush to Reason. And somebody asked earlier, why is the party in Colorado, the Republican Party, in such disarray? And I gave one answer. Poor leadership, folks. We just haven’t had good leadership. And the good leadership that we have had in the past, we’ve had the likes of a Tom Tancredo going in and undermining said leadership. So at the end of the day, yes, I will say it openly on air. I don’t care. Tom Tancredo is one of the biggest problems we have in Colorado when it comes to Colorado politics on the GOP side.
SPEAKER 03 :
And I’m going to say that the driving factor that has empowered the poor leadership, caucus.
SPEAKER 14 :
Yeah, because it continues to drive loons into candidates, which we cannot win with. We cannot win with loons because people see that.
SPEAKER 03 :
Caucus has put the loony tunes in power.
SPEAKER 14 :
You’re right. All right, another full hour coming your way. Don’t go anywhere. Rush to Reason, Denver’s Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560.
SPEAKER 1 :
Thank you.
SPEAKER 15 :
I’m a rich guy.
