In this fiery hour of Rush to Reason, John Rush, Andy Peth, and guest Eli Bremer dive deep into the ongoing turmoil inside the Colorado Republican Party, focusing on candidate vetting failures, caucus politics, and what they see as a growing disconnect between party leadership and general election voters.
The conversation begins with a detailed breakdown of controversy surrounding former CD8 candidate Adam Dorito, including allegations about false claims, military records, and concerns over how candidates are vetted within the Republican Party. Eli Bremer shares his firsthand perspective on the situation and argues that Colorado Republicans continue to struggle because
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Okay, hour number three, Rush to Reason, Denver’s Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560. Myself, Andy Pate, Charlie Grimes, of course, your engineer, Eli Bermer, joining us as well. Eli, welcome. How are you?
SPEAKER 06 :
I’m doing great, John. How are you doing?
SPEAKER 04 :
I’m good. Glad to hear from you, as always. And, again, thanks for joining us. I know kind of on short notice, Andy, I think you just reached out to him earlier today, so appreciate that. Yep. Where do you want to start, Andy?
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Well, I’m always happy to be on call with you two.
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I appreciate it.
SPEAKER 03 :
Well, you know, I want to start on an article that came out, and Eli, you played a role in this, discussing a certain Adam Dorito, who was a one-time candidate in CD8 against Gabe Evans, and he is, I’m just going to tell everybody right now, he was the Davidian candidate in that primary. What do you know about this man, Adam Dorito?
SPEAKER 06 :
Well, obviously it’s a very long story, and I’ve actually discussed him on this show before, largely in the context of the reason why we have to vet candidates, because this is a great case study. It’s a fascinating story in and of itself about how an individual basically was able to sort of get into the system, get some level of credibility. Thankfully, the assembly voters of CD8 I think they were aware of it. But this is an individual who clearly, within about 10 minutes of my listening to him speak, I said, this guy’s clearly a fraud. And the Gazette article that just came out, this was a front page above the fold on a Sunday paper, which is pretty significant, lays out a lot of what he’s done. He’s lied about his military service and military career. And he’s really just You know, he said many, many things that just demonstrably aren’t true. I’d encourage folks to actually go read the Gazette because it’s a pretty compelling piece. But the bigger story that people should be talking about is what does this actually mean for our elections in Colorado?
SPEAKER 04 :
Yep, exactly. Well, let’s go back to the whole vetting sides of things for a moment, because you know me, Eli. One of the complaints that I’ve had in our party ever since I’ve been on air the past 12 years is just the simple fact that not only do we not vet candidates very well, we don’t pick very good candidates at times. We pick what I consider to be at times very weak candidates in regards to not much dynamic support. you know, in their personality, if you would, or dynamics in their personality. And at times we just, I mean, frankly, we run candidates that even weak Democrats have no problem defeating.
SPEAKER 06 :
Well, John, it’s worse than that. We run candidates that the Democrats will financially support because they’re so bad. Oh, that’s true. Look at Ron Hanks, who’s running out in the third district. His main financial supporter is literally, I mean, literally, you guys know it, the Colorado Democratic Party. Right. So when the other side is your main campaign contributor, you should probably ask the question, are you on the right side of history?
SPEAKER 03 :
Okay, let’s get back to Dorito here for a moment. Because as you know, Eli, I debated this guy a number of times online. And I’m just going to say it. This guy was the most compulsive liar I think I’ve ever debated online. And I finally had to block him because I would say, okay, you’re lying about this. And I would back it up. He would immediately divert to another lie. I’d say, you’re lying about this. And I’d back it up. He’d divert to something else. Finally, I just gave up. This guy is… unbelievably bad, but he also has a pretty sick past, doesn’t he?
SPEAKER 06 :
Well, he does. This is where actual vetting comes in. Again, I sort of talked about this briefly on your show a couple months ago, and I apologize because what I’m about to say is true, and it’s going to be a little bit disturbing, parts of it. But what I’m about to say is true. If it were not true, Adam Garrido would sue me. He came out today with a video and said he’s going to sue me. He’s not going to sue me because he knows this is true. He knows that it would go to court, and I would win. Not only would I win, I’d get attorney’s fees against him, and I’d get sanctions for his attorneys.
SPEAKER 03 :
Well, after each point, can you just give basically the evidence? But go ahead.
SPEAKER 06 :
Yeah. Okay. So Adam had a very checkered time at the U.S. Air Force Academy. He in-processed in 2006. Started getting in minor league trouble there, but it got worse in the fall of his junior year, which was the fall of 2008, where he was caught sending nude photos to a 13-year-old girl. This is documented in official Air Force records. It’s been submitted to court under penalty of perjury. This is proven, established court fact, okay? So he was investigated at the time. If you read his story about this, he said he was not punished. Again, the documents from the United States Air Force tell a completely different story. He was given the most severe punishment possible by the Air Force Academy that you can get without getting kicked out. I’m not entirely sure why that didn’t warrant getting kicked out. That’s probably a question for another time. During that time, he started getting in worse and worse trouble. So he was on probation, couldn’t leave the school grounds. And he discovered that there was a policy at the time that if you claimed that you were sexually assaulted, that the school could not punish you for anything around that. This was a known policy at the time. There’s a lot of writing about this. For several years, there were reports, not just at the Air Force Academy, but largely across the military.
SPEAKER 03 :
Okay, well, wait a second. Wait a second. For all those listening, so if somebody makes an accusation against you and you claim that you were sexually assaulted, that’s basically a get out of jail free card.
SPEAKER 06 :
at that time that is correct yes and that was um that was in response to you know and again if you google this this is this is easily verifiable through public records um the the military leadership was concerned and frankly the political leadership it largely came from the obama administration um and they said okay we’re gonna we’re gonna go the pendulum’s gonna swing all the way over to the you know if if you were you know off base at an underage drinking party and you claim that you were sexually assaulted, you cannot face school prosecution or military prosecution for anything ancillary to the sexual assault claim. So this is, again, easily verifiable. Dorito, according to, again, his official records documented in court, he started claiming at every turn that he would get in trouble that he had gotten sexually assaulted.
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By women? No.
SPEAKER 06 :
By women, yes. Now, I have, as I think you guys know and most of your audience knows, I gained tremendous national profile in the aftermath of the Larry Nassar scandal in the Olympics. I was effectively the lead Republican nationally standing up and saying we need reform in our sports systems. I became, ironically, as a conservative Christian Republican male, a main spokesman for women’s rights in sports nationally. and work bipartisan in that area. So during that time, I came in contact with a lot of sexual assault advocates for women. I reached out to them and I actually sent them the files from this case. And I said, is there any scenario where you have a male who’s repeatedly sexually assaulted by females? And the answer is, you know, they read through the story and said, no, that’s unbelievable. So at the time, and this is, again, documented in official records, there was clearly disbelief because Adam would continually get in trouble and then he would claim that he was sexually assaulted.
SPEAKER 03 :
What was the one thing? What was the trouble? I mean, were these women accusing him of rape or were they accusing or were they underage or what was going on?
SPEAKER 06 :
No, he was doing things like leaving base without permission to go hook up with people he met on the Internet and stuff like that. He’d get caught, and then he’d claim that he was assaulted. And I’m trying to keep it sort of sanitary for the radio.
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Sure.
SPEAKER 06 :
Um, but that’s, that was it. Um, it then progressed to, uh, during the summer of his senior year, he was a training cadre for the prep school and, and the prep school is a, is another institution that’s on base of the Air Force Academy. And the kids at the prep school are technically enlisted. They’re not officers. They’re not officer candidates. They’re enlisted. And according to the UCMJ, fraternization between officers and officer candidates and enlisted is strictly prohibited. And fraternization includes extremely familiar friendships alongside with physically engaging again. trying to sanitize this um so after after adam was was there and he he basically couldn’t leave the school grounds um proceeded to have inappropriate uh physical relationships uh with at least one but it was rumored several females at the prep school which is the ucmj violation his commander found out about it and as is typical in the military they you know they try to rectify the behavior At the lowest level, he gave him a direct order to stop violating the UCMJ, which Adam promptly broke. And this led to him getting an Article 15 for failure to follow a direct and lawful order. The order was given, written. It was lawful. It said you must stop engaging in UCMJ violations. And he violated the order literally within hours. And this led to him getting offered a general’s court-martial. So Sam Cox was the commandant of cadets. He’s a one-star general. As, again, per normal military means, he called Adam in and offered him, you can either face a general’s court-martial, which could result in uh typically for this the the punishment would be 30 days in jail a this discharge at the lowest level and then you’d be uh the standard would be convicted felon um if you’re found guilty in a general’s court martial so um again as is fairly typical in military justice they said if you would like to avoid that you can accept an article 15 which is called a non-judicial punishment uh and you will be removed from the air force academy So in April of his senior year, Adam accepted an Article 15 and acknowledged in writing, having been counseled by his attorneys, that this would result in his removal from the Air Force Academy. The military documents also show that they reviewed his temperament. They reviewed his records. Typically, if you’re removed from the Air Force Academy, you are required to serve back three years enlisted. He was evaluated and found unfit for military service. and was discharged from the military with a record on his file that said this individual has been deemed unfit for military service. um he he then several years later approached the colorado guard which is a state organization it’s not federal the guard is under the control of the governor um and they do not have to honor the federal uh documentation that said he was unfit for federal officer service and so he he applied for and got into the colorado guard moved his way through the guard in in positions that nobody else wanted to do and then eventually moved into the reserves and um you know i’m leaving out a number of points because i want to get through this so we can talk about more but found another loophole applied for what’s called the direct commission in a job that you know they offer these because it’s hard to get people into the job so it’s a civil affairs job um he was accepted into the position and then uh received what’s called the direct commission so you haven’t gone through a commissioning source you have to do a post commissioning uh program so When that happened, Dorito claimed that Tulsi Gabbard was personally looking out for him, Donald Trump had personally exonerated him, and that he had been completely exonerated of all wrongdoing at the Academy. What? Wait, whoa, whoa, whoa.
SPEAKER 03 :
How does that add up? I’m sorry.
SPEAKER 06 :
Well, it’s – again, as with – and hopefully we can talk about other candidates and how to spot these things. Oftentimes, lies are wrapped up in the truth. The truth is all commissions are given by the president of the United States. And it’s interesting because the day after this happened, Gordon Klingenschmitt – you know, who’s another really interesting character in the in the Davidian, the Davidian world. He came out and said, I was lying. And the president, you know, the president had given him the commission. I said, it’s definitional that it’s like it’s like Joe Biden’s auto pen, like all commissions are by definition from the president. But Dorito had come out and said that the president had exonerated him and proven that, you know, that his He was unfairly picked on. During this time, Adam also concocted a story that he was a confidential informant for the Office of Special Investigation. And OSI is like NCIS. If you watch that show in the Navy, it is the Federal Investigative Service of the U.S. Air Force. um the truth is that he was actually the one under the investigation um he was not a confidential informant and so he has created an entire story since then that he was a confidential informant who was kicked out because he was a super secret squirrel federal agent um you know investigating sexual assaults okay he was actually the guy being investigated and so this is This is the story that was on the front page of the Gazette above the fold. Largely not, you know, he got crushed in his political race, largely because it’s about institutional failures. And as we sort of, you know, pivot over into why it’s important to vet, you cannot just look at someone and say, oh, they got a, you know, he got a commission and he got a photo op at the Air Force Academy. you know and he said that he got exonerated i mean this was obviously false from the beginning and and this is just a stunning example of the kind of narcissistic behavior that we see by candidates running for office um and john going back to what you were saying earlier this is why we can’t have my things in colorado i mean this is fortunately we actually got it right on this one But if you go back to the 2010 election, you had Dan Mays, who was a fraud. You had 2012, you had Matt Arnold. That was the dog ate my homework guy, lied about having a master’s degree while running for the Board of Regents. Look at George Santos in New York. The reason we lost George Santos’ house seat is because he was not vetted, he was a total fraud. And so I just want to use that to point out, they’re right here, and for whatever reason, I don’t know if it’s narcissism or ego or what, My gosh, guys, we see this in politics a lot. And Eric Sonderman wrote a great article this last week talking about how Republicans are also to blame for the complete governmental failure we’re facing in Colorado. Because we as Republicans are not putting up good candidates. We’re not putting up real fights. We’re putting up virtue signaling candidates and really bad candidates.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah, really quick here. After the break, I’d like you to look at… The Davidian track record of late. And what I mean is this. A lot of these totally unvetted and totally unsuitable candidates are Davidians. And I think we need to look at that.
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We are back. Rush to Reason, Denver’s Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560. Myself, Andy Pate, Eli Bremer. Okay, I’m going to say something, Eli, and I might get in trouble for saying this, but, you know, there are times with me personally, and I guess because I’ve sat in this chair long enough and I’ve been around the world long enough to where sometimes I can just look at somebody and say, you know what, something’s off there. And with Adam, something’s off. Am I right or wrong?
SPEAKER 06 :
Yeah. I, the first time I, he came across my attention, I had someone who sent me a recording of him speaking at a breakfast, nothing really. And I gotta be honest. I was, so I was on a work trip to Tanzania, 44 hour flight. The only reason I actually listened to it, but it was probably 10 minutes in. I was like, okay, this, obviously this, this is a, this guy’s dead wrong. Um, and, and, you know, I was bored. So I kept on listening to it. And, I thought, how can anybody fall for this? And, you know, unfortunately that happened.
SPEAKER 04 :
And really quick, you know, Eli, it’s not you, I, or Andy that fall for these things, but we have people in positions of leadership inside of the party that do fall for it, unfortunately.
SPEAKER 06 :
And you have to ask, you know, that software question, is this a feature or a bug? And, you know, we talked about the problems with the caucus system. And, you know, this is where generally we see those types of candidates, because a lot of folks think vetting is, you know, looking at that person and seeing how closely what they say aligns with what I feel.
SPEAKER 04 :
Are they principled, Eli? Do they have the right principles to run? Am I wrong in what I’m saying? I mean, that’s literally what our leadership would say. It doesn’t matter what else the person does, but are they principled? That’s all that matters.
SPEAKER 06 :
Well, that’s exactly what they would say. But we’re the party that believes in the private sector and the power of the private sector. And I will tell you, when I’m hiring someone, one of the first things I’m going to do is ask the question, is this a decent human being?
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Correct.
SPEAKER 06 :
Because if they’re not a decent human being, then it doesn’t really matter what else they tell me.
SPEAKER 04 :
Right.
SPEAKER 06 :
Because they can tell me all sorts of great stuff, but if they have a history of lying… of fraud, things like that, then I don’t need to go beyond their character. And so that’s really important to ask that as a question. And unfortunately, there’s an entire economy out there of scam packs and these raiding groups like, you know, Principles of Liberty is a classic one that is not really about creating conservatism or liberty. It’s really just about giving people who have never been elected and could never get elected power so that they can go put out flyers and attack people. Um, so this is about doing your due diligence and, you know, if you’re listening to talk radio, you’re in the top, you know, five, 10% of people that are paying attention, uh, take the time, you know, actually listen to these people and then, and then ask the questions. The first question you should ask is this is, is, is this person telling me the truth? And if it sounds kind of crazy, then you should probably have your antenna up. Don’t listen to what their philosophy is until you decide, is this a trustworthy person? Is their background what it says it is? Is this even logical?
SPEAKER 03 :
Okay, now let me get back to the Davidians here for a moment. And once again, people say, why do you keep talking about the Davidians? Because they’re in charge of our party right now in Colorado. Okay? The current vice chair who’s serving as chair is the Davidian.
SPEAKER 04 :
Right, through and through.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah, through and through. And by the way, they have the majority now in the SEC. They’re going to take power. So let’s look at this. Look at some of their recent candidates. Okay, you just mentioned one, Dorito. Wow. Hope Scheppelman. Tell me a couple sentences about her. Let me throw something in. We’re talking about somebody who promoted a Democrat ad against a Republican candidate and who… I had to call her out on her Facebook page over. I know. And who spent several months not being able to prove her own stalker exists. Right. We’re talking Cray Cray.
SPEAKER 06 :
Go ahead. To be very clear, this is a woman who filed false police reports… because she got caught using a fake social media account. There are so many things wrong with this. I mean, first, using a fake social media account, if you can’t put your name to it, probably don’t say it. Maybe that’s a good policy. That’s number one. Number two, you know, it’s like Eli’s rules of public relations. Number one, don’t do stupid things. Number two, don’t lie about stupid things if you’re caught. So here she gets caught. And instead of saying, you know what? Yeah, that was pretty dumb. I probably shouldn’t have been, you know, trashing Republicans as the state party vice chair using a fake social media account that I lied about. Pretty dumb. OK, dumber or we can say dumber is filing a false police report and dumber. Maybe we can say is lying when you file the false police report and continue to lie afterwards. Oh, yeah. This is not a serious human being.
SPEAKER 03 :
She claimed this person who, by the way, she’s never proven exists. OK, was taken into custody by the Florida police, by the police in Florida and put in a home or some kind of a mental health facility, which she can’t name. She can’t name the facility, the precinct, the anybody caring for this person, the person’s name, anything. And yet she says this person stalked her and threatened her family. Go ahead.
SPEAKER 06 :
This is right up there with the woman that accused Donald Trump of sexually assaulting him. Except for she wasn’t sure, you know, where it happened or what year it happened or anything about it. But she’s very convinced that happened. Now, look, to be fair, if Hope Shuffman were in New York and accusing President Trump, she’d have a great case. But this is Colorado and we still have some common sense out here. So everybody knew she was lying.
SPEAKER 03 :
Right. New York’s insane. OK, moving on. Ron Hanks. It’s all you go. There’s another Davidian. Look, that’s a Davidian candidate who, oh, by the way, who actually ran against the Republican candidate after losing a primary to him to draw votes away from him. Right now, he is their Davidian candidate in CD3. Go.
SPEAKER 04 :
Really quick, I want to slip something in first before you do that. Hang on. Give me one second here. before, because I know we’re headed, but I want to slip something in because, Eli, I think you said a moment ago, you know, is this a feature or a bug? So I want to ask, because I think one of the quote-unquote bugs that we have out there, and I’ll be careful I say this because I don’t want to get in trouble, but give me your scorecard on leadership program of the Rockies.
SPEAKER 06 :
Oh, you asked me loaded questions. You know, I attended leadership program of the Rockies. And I, you know, I honestly have not been referring people to that sense, because I’ve been pretty straightforward that the problem that we have in Colorado is not one of people not understanding philosophy. It’s one of people not understanding politics. A friend of mine once said, you’ve got to get your politics right before you get your policy right. And, you know, it’s great to understand philosophy, but that’s just entertainment if you’re not putting the work in on actually winning elections.
SPEAKER 03 :
Very diplomatic. Well done.
SPEAKER 06 :
Yeah.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yes. Okay.
SPEAKER 04 :
I mean, I know where I would score that. I won’t say on air publicly where I would score that program. I’ve never been to that program. I was invited to that program. I frankly turned down the offer because I didn’t feel like it was beneficial to me in the end. And frankly, I think it was one of the best decisions I ever made.
SPEAKER 06 :
Well, I like to focus on things that actually move the needles in electing Republicans, because the problem we have here is not the views of the Republicans elected. The problem is that we’re a micro minority and that the Democrats control the state. And anybody who tells you otherwise, regardless of the program and the accolades that they get, is simply a snake oil salesman. So I like to focus on on the actual issue of winning elections and bad candidates. we’ll lose elections okay now if we really want to win an election though we need ron hanks well okay i didn’t know you were a democrat because you just literally quoted the position of the democrats they put millions of dollars behind this guy yeah now let’s let’s talk about this i have the distinction of getting to know ron when i ran for the u.s senate um and you know this is the guy who i realized on the campaign trail was completely devoid of the truth and And I don’t say that about all my components. In fact, I had a great conversation today with Gino Campagna. He and I, you know, we fought tough with each other, but we respected each other. We’ve become very good friends. We became good friends on the campaign trail. So, you know, this is not to say that everybody you compete against in politics is becomes your mortal enemy. I mean, again, Gino and I are very good friends. He’s coming down to visit me in a couple of weeks and we may do some business together. But Ron, I’ll give you an example. We were at a forum and Ron came out and said, I’ve looked at the federal budget and I will tell you, we can cut 70% out of the federal budget, seven zero. Now, in most polite circles, when you say things that you know are not true, that is called a lie. If I go look at the federal budget and I simply add up the servicing on the debt and our Department of Defense or Department of War now spending, that is over 30%. So if we simply get rid of GSA, the Department of State, Department of Homeland Security, we have open borders, we get rid of Social Security, Medicaid, Medicare, you know, all of, you know, every dollar of that is gone. I still have to, I can’t not pay the principal on the debt, okay?
SPEAKER 15 :
The interest on the debt, right.
SPEAKER 06 :
So now I actually have to cut DOD spending, okay? So Ron is a retired… Air Force officer, don’t hold that against those of us who are Air Force. Andy and I would be offended. But he stood up there and to great applause said, I’ve looked at the budget and we can cut 70% of the federal budget. Okay, that is a lie. When you say something that is not true, that is a lie. And Ron Hanks, he’s not a particularly nice person anyway. The reason the Democrats continually support him is is that they know that for every dollar that they spend, Republicans have to spend a dollar or two or three to undo the damage of the Democrat candidate, Ron Hanks. So he’s now running against Jeff Hurd. Why are the Democrats, why have they supported him? Why do I anticipate that they will continue to support him? Because they’re not going to beat Jeff Hurd. It’d be very hard to beat him in the general election. So they run a Democrat against him in the primary and see if they can damage him that way.
SPEAKER 03 :
Jeff heard one by four last time around. He will be tough to beat. I think he can be beat if we have a blue wave. We’ll see. But he’s obviously the better candidate. Ron Hanks, I’m going to say it right now. If he were our candidate in CD3, we would lose that by double digits.
SPEAKER 06 :
Oh, I think I think that’s a that’s that’s clearly the case. That’s why. And again, don’t take my word. Take the Democrats word for it. They pumped millions of dollars into Ron Hanks because they did not believe they could be Jeff Hurd. So, you know, who does Ron Hanks want to be the speaker of the House? Hakeem Jeffries. Who did Jeff Hurd want to be speaker of the House? Mike Johnson. OK, so this is a pretty straightforward, you know, proposition here.
SPEAKER 03 :
OK, well, one last one, because the word Davidian comes from Dave Williams, the ultimate Davidian. How about him as a candidate? You know, he lost his primary by 30 points, but go ahead.
SPEAKER 06 :
Yeah, dumpster fire doesn’t even begin to describe him. You know, this is the type of Republican that if I’m if I’m teaching a class that people want to know how to win campaigns, I say if you want to lose campaigns, start by like a candidate like this. Someone who’s, you know, who has absolutely no credible background, never worked, you know, a day in the private sector successfully. Yeah. You know, again, use this as a standard. If you wouldn’t hire the person to go run your business, you probably shouldn’t vote for them. um because that’s the standard that most unaffiliated are going to use david has a he is very talented and very gifted at destroying things he’s better at destroying things than virtually anybody else i’ve ever seen he was the last republican president of the university of colorado at colorado springs he destroyed it so thoroughly that he created a democrat hegemony at our local university and that has stood for about 20 years since 18 years since So he is he is phenomenal at setting up Democrat governance and Democrat leadership. So, again, if you want a Democrat run, Dave Williams, you’ve got a good chance of getting a Democrat.
SPEAKER 04 :
OK, the thing I have to ask there on that, because I get this message in on the text line periodically, is Dave. I mean, is he just that ignorant as a Republican or do you think he really works for the other side?
SPEAKER 06 :
No, he’s a completely self-serving person. This is a person who lacks empathy. I’ve known him for, gosh, pushing on probably 17, 18 years. He was my vice chair when I was the chairman. You know, he he literally has zero thought for anybody but himself. So it’s sort of the epitome of what, you know, when unaffiliated voters say they hate career politicians who just work for themselves. That’s, you know, this is if you want to post your child for that, Dave Williams is a pretty good avatar for that.
SPEAKER 04 :
By the way, I appreciate you saying that, because from almost day one, not quite about 30 days into his chairmanship as GOP chair, I said the same thing.
SPEAKER 06 :
And you look at it, he basically stole hundreds of thousands of dollars from the organization. He put it in his bank account. He put it in his allies’ bank account.
SPEAKER 04 :
By the way, he put it in the bank account of the vice chair right now who’s acting as chair.
SPEAKER 06 :
Yeah, exactly. And you’re right, he paid off his friends. If you survey unaffiliated voters… you’re going to see broad numbers of them say, I don’t like to see the cronyism going on. I don’t like to see people hiring their buddies and enriching themselves. So before we even get to the question of, you know, should we have different energy policy or employment policy in the state, or do we support TABR or things like that? These are issues that probably 95 to 98% of unaffiliateds who are the largest voting bloc in Colorado, will agree on. So when we put up a candidate who is starting from a 2% line versus a 98% line, that’s strategically a problem in winning elections.
SPEAKER 04 :
Real quick, too, I want to mention this because I want you to comment on this, given the fact that you have been the receiver of lots of lawsuits for things that you have said, done, and so on. And here’s my point. I’ve said a lot of things on air about Dave Williams, about Eric Grossman now, who is the vice chair, about a lot of people that are in the Davidian quote-unquote party. And, Eli, here’s what I know. These guys are so sue-happy that if I actually said something wrong, they would have sued me. Guess what? They haven’t, meaning I haven’t said a single thing wrong yet.
SPEAKER 06 :
Well, and the year is still young, John. You never know.
SPEAKER 04 :
Here’s my point with that, Eli, and again, not trying to boast or anything along those lines, but I haven’t said anything wrong. I’ve got the ability to defend myself. They all know that. That’s why they haven’t come after me.
SPEAKER 06 :
Well, as I said, the year is still young. I’ve been able to defend myself, and I’ve literally won in court every single time against them.
SPEAKER 04 :
You will continue to.
SPEAKER 06 :
It’s not really sinister, but I have a lot of backers that are happy to see someone step up and do the right thing. I find it interesting that the latest attorney employed by the Colorado GOP carries no liability insurance. So when your strategy for defense is, I have the ability to file frivolous lawsuits, and if you get a judgment against me, I can default, nothing says personal responsibility like that. Um, so again, let’s, these are things that unaffiliated, what we are talking about are things unaffiliated voters would agree with the three of us on. There’s not an unaffiliated voter out there that’s like, oh yeah, I think you should be litigious. And then you should like, your defense should be that, you know, you, you’re, you don’t have insurance that people can get after that. That’s that. I want to see those guys running the government. Like find me that voter. Okay. Cause, cause he or she doesn’t exist.
SPEAKER 03 :
Is that Matt? So,
SPEAKER 06 :
Yeah, yeah. And I’m not sure I have. I don’t know this to be true, but I’ve heard rumors that the other attorney that they work with is in the same boat. I don’t know if that is a true statement. It would not surprise me because he’s had difficulty, shall we say, in the legal system and, you know, recently got caught up with a Nigerian prince. issue so um you know again when these are your lawyers that’s you know if you can’t get good lawyers you know my lawyers were trump’s lawyers um they’re some of the best in the country and we want everything when you can’t get good lawyers to work for you that says something okay eli one last quick question do any of these candidates happen without caucus no no they so in the same way i came out of the olympics and um selection systems alter behavior i i i fault this at the olympic committee level where they would look back and say well if we changed the selection system for the last olympics then we would have gotten the exact athletes we wanted in which first of all i’m like okay it’s not arrogant of you um and secondly you’re assuming that people don’t perform to incentives You know, the whole thesis of free market capitalism is that people respond to incentives. The theory of socialism is that people don’t respond to incentives. So the caucus system drives legitimate candidates out of the process early. It’s extremely hard. Look at our Senate campaign this cycle. OK, you know, we have we have not had any sort of a serious effort. It doesn’t appear that that that’s headed that way. You know, and a lot of that is people ask me if I would run. I said, guys, there’s there’s literally no way me or any other credible candidate is going to get into this race because the selection process of the caucus is prohibitive. and so you see that you know particularly with statewide races uh we’re giving up we’re not um and that’s not to say that every candidate for every statewide office i’ve got you know there’s we have several really good candidates running um but it’s it just makes it so much harder but it also incentivizes people who really shouldn’t be running to say you know what the caucuses are like any given sunday If you wanna run for the US Senate, the standard is if you can’t raise at least a million bucks, you probably shouldn’t run. People in Colorado say, well, what if I just stand up and give a really good speech or at least a better speech than nobody else, then maybe I can do this. And so when that’s the incentive system, That does not that actually has zero overlap with your ability to run a campaign against John Hickenlooper, who probably could garner one hundred million dollars. Right. If you’re not able to raise money and bring the resources to the table. And I don’t intend to pick on anybody here. I’m not naming any names, but I’m just saying, you know, again, go to Eric Sonneman’s article from this weekend. I don’t always agree with what he writes, but this one he absolutely nailed because it talks about this.
SPEAKER 04 :
All right, so last question for you. I know we’ve talked about this in the past, but I’m serious about this. I think we’ve got even listeners out there that are very much behind what we would do as a movement. So how do we start a petition process to get rid of caucus? I’m in.
SPEAKER 06 :
Well, I think, yeah, obviously, I think it’s a little late for this cycle. I think we’re probably going to have to look maybe at next. I agree. You know, at a year from now. I agree.
SPEAKER 04 :
Which, by the way, in an off year would probably be a really good year to do it anyway. Strategically speaking, that’s a good time to do it.
SPEAKER 06 :
Well, tell me when is the wrong time to do the right thing.
SPEAKER 04 :
Well, it’s never the wrong time. But my point is, given that it’s an off year and you’re not going to have near the turnout, and typically the turnout that comes out is sharper than a typical year like this year, and especially in a presidential year, it wouldn’t be the best time to do it either because of the fact you’ve got more knuckleheads voting. I’m sorry to say it that way, but that’s just how it is, Eli. In an off year like next year, you won’t have that.
SPEAKER 06 :
Well, but on the flip side, in an off year, you also tend to get the more energized fringes out to vote. And the Democrat base likes the caucus system, not because they like doing it. No, they like to punish us. Yeah, and it works really well for them.
SPEAKER 03 :
And our energized WACO base, the WACO base, supports it as well.
SPEAKER 06 :
Yeah, but I think based on what I’ve seen in polling, I think this passes overwhelmingly regardless of when it gets run. The issue is there are there are people in the state who have made a massive amount of money on the current infrastructure. I know. And they cross they cross all lines. There’s Davidians. There’s, quote, establishment. I agree. Consultants. And, you know, when you’re buying a new house every election cycle because the system works for you, even though everybody you supposedly support loses, that’s a problem. And so there’s there’s a bit of an educational gap. uh way that needs to happen because i see just terrible ideas there’s an idea floated a couple months ago uh not 100 sure where it came from but it was let’s allow uh unaffiliated to go to the caucus and i said let’s just take the caucus out back and shoot it exactly why would we like this is it’s like that and i keep on saying this is like socialism yeah we don’t need to guess Virginia Republicans select their candidate through an assembly. The Virginia Democrats do an open primary. Virginia Democrats are killing Virginia Republicans. Look at Colorado. We’re a purple state that votes brilliant deep blue, and it’s largely because of our selection systems here. So I think it needs to start getting talked about. I think you guys are doing a great job. The donors in our state are very fatigued right now. I’ve been talking to them and saying, Guys, we are only a D plus five state, even though we’re putting out D plus 20 results in the elections. If we change the system so that people’s voices can be heard because we’re putting competitive candidates on the ballot, we’re not going to win every election, but we’re going to start winning a lot more of them. And that’s what we’re going to have to do.
SPEAKER 04 :
I’ll leave it at that. Eli, as always, we’ll have you back. I appreciate it, sir. Thank you. All right. Thank you, guys. Thank you, man. Appreciate you very much. Let’s do this. Roof Savers of Colorado coming up next. Yes, get that roof looked at, especially if you might have had any storm damage from this last storm. And you can do that by calling Dave 303-710-6916.
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SPEAKER 04 :
All right, Rush to Reason, Denver’s Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560. And you know what? I’ll offer this to the party. Not that I’m the best judge of all character, but Andy, there are times where literally I could sit down with a candidate, a proposed candidate for five minutes. I mean, I’ve interviewed lots of people over the years, given what I’ve done in business. And I could literally, I’m sure Eli’s the same way. I could literally sit down with somebody five, 10 minutes and tell you in that amount of time, you’re a good candidate or you’re not.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah. That’s all it would take me. You could tell this one’s dishonest, or that one has no charisma, or this one just gives you the heebie-jeebies.
SPEAKER 04 :
Right. I mean, literally, I could just sit down. It wouldn’t take me that long. Five, ten minutes max, maybe 15, but literally within a 15-minute time frame, I could tell you this candidate will work or won’t work.
SPEAKER 03 :
Okay.
SPEAKER 04 :
And I’d only ask a few questions to get to that level.
SPEAKER 03 :
Speaking of the craziest one that we were talking about today, Adam Dorito.
SPEAKER 04 :
Oh, he is a cray-cray.
SPEAKER 03 :
Okay, but John, people are like, well, why are you talking about him? He’s out of the race. Okay, guys, Adam Dorito.
SPEAKER 04 :
Because we ran him.
SPEAKER 03 :
First of all, he is the Davidian candidate. Guys, we’re trying to show you this group.
SPEAKER 04 :
How crazy they all are.
SPEAKER 03 :
This group that only runs the party because of caucus. Right. OK, because of that tiny little sliver of Republicans.
SPEAKER 04 :
This is the rhino watch loons.
SPEAKER 03 :
The rhino watch loons. They’re giving us these candidates. But not only that, we got to take a look, you know, in the in the past, I’ve always loved the Colorado Hispanic Republicans.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yes, they’re crazy, too, right now.
SPEAKER 03 :
But they’ve gone so Davidian. And they’re crazy. They’ve gone so Davidian. I mean, they’ve got some they’ve got a few Davidians who are so crazy when you talk to them. Well, they had Adam Dorito. Speak. As a moderator. The moderator. They had that guy with that past, that sick past, as the moderator for their five-member, what is it, debate to see who would be the new chair of the Colorado Republican Party. They chose Adam Dorito. Why? Because the Colorado Hispanic Republicans are largely, not entirely, but largely run.
SPEAKER 01 :
Largely.
SPEAKER 03 :
By Davidians now.
SPEAKER 01 :
Largely.
SPEAKER 03 :
So here’s the thing, guys. People say, why do you keep saying Davidians? Here’s why. One big sign of a cult is that they don’t care about quality or character at all.
SPEAKER 04 :
Their leader does no wrong no matter what.
SPEAKER 03 :
They only care about this. Are you committed to us?
SPEAKER 04 :
Right. Are you committed to our team? It’s really to our leader. Are you committed to our leader?
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah, because these are all, we call them Davidian because they all follow Dave Williams, okay? And they all do. Every one of them is totally heart and soul committed to Dave Williams. Even to this day, they do. To this day, absolutely. And, you know, he is, Adam Dorito is like the last person you would choose to do this. There are so many good people you could have come in and moderate this. Wonderful people. People who are amongst the Hispanic Republicans. Paulina Vera jumps to mind right away. They could have her come in and moderate. She’d do a fantastic job. But no, they go and get Adam Dorito. Folks.
SPEAKER 04 :
Senior wackadoodle. All right, we got to run.
SPEAKER 03 :
This is nuts.
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