Hour 1 Encore presentation of January 8, 2026. Hour 1 of Rush To Reason starts 2026 by addressing health, medical freedom, and trust as Dr. Kelly Victory and Steve House discuss new federal changes to childhood vaccines. Dr. Victory clarifies these changes, why they matter, and the critical questions they raise about our healthcare system. The conversation reviews COVID-era decisions, accountability, and consequences for doctors who challenged official narratives. Why were dissenting medical voices silenced, and what does that mean for the next public health crisis? The panel also explores preparedness—physical, mental, and intellectual—emphasizing immune health, personal responsibility, and
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All right. Welcome. Rush to Reason, Denver’s Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560. Appreciate you all listening. And we’ll get things fired off here. Dr. Kelly Victory joining us now. Dr. Kelly, how are you today?
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I am doing just fine, John. Happy to be with you. I’m sorry that Steve is stuck on a plane somewhere, but happy to do the show with you.
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Well, I appreciate you joining us, taking time out of your day. I know you’re very busy, but we always appreciate it. I know our listeners do. I do. I learn something every time you’re on with us. Okay, last week we talked about… The food pyramid or the new food pyramid. And I did a little bit of research even on that since you mentioned that last week. But, you know, get us started. What is going on with the old food pyramid? And I actually saw a a kind of I don’t know if it’s a joke. I watched the very first episode of Landman the other night and in it. Billy Bob was talking about, you know, when people actually suggested breakfast and what you eat at breakfast and so on and so forth. And it’s funny because he’s not far off. And I know it’s a character in a TV show and so on. But at the end of the day, Dr. Kelly, basically what he said was all of the people that are making these food products are the ones that are telling you to eat these food products and that somehow you’re going to get healthy from doing so.
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Exactly. And the reality is that the foods that people ate for breakfast, lunch and dinner decades ago, and I mean, you know, 60, 70, 80 years ago, Think about what they ate. Very different. You know, my parents didn’t grow up eating Pop-Tarts and Captain Crunch and gobs and gobs of cereal and bread and donuts and all this stuff. They grew up eating bacon and eggs. And it turns out they had far, far less chronic disease and certainly far less obesity. We are at a point now where 40% of Americans are either overweight or obese. Hmm. And that includes children, adolescents. Forty percent of adolescents have prediabetes. And this is the direct result of a flawed food pyramid where we have overemphasized sugar, refined carbohydrates and highly processed foods. So what Bobby Kennedy and the Maha movement have done through HHS in these last two weeks is literally flip the food pyramid on its head. They finally acknowledged that those things that we were supposed to eat small amounts of, meaning fats and meat, things of that sort, really should be the priorities. We should prioritize lean protein, for example, chicken, steak, fish. We should prioritize fats. Eat a higher fat diet as long as they are healthy fats, things like olive oil, nuts, those sorts of things. And avoid the unhealthy fats like seed oils. So much of the oil, almost everything that we are told is a lie. The idea that we should eat corn oil and soybean oil, you know, grape seed oil, canola. Canola oil, I think we’ve talked about this on the show previously, was meant to be a motor oil. That’s what it was designed for.
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They had so much extra of it, they didn’t know what to do with it, so they decided, let’s just feed it to the masses.
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Exactly, because they all of a sudden were able to create synthetic oils for engines that lasted longer and were easier on the engine. So they had to do something with all that leftover canola oil, and they decided to feed it to the people. And it has landed us where we are today with 80% of adults having at least one chronic illness. So I think there’s a massive change here. I think it will, over time, result in far better health outcomes. And it begins with our kids, with changing what goes into, for example, school lunches, where it’s not going to be carbs, carbs, carbs, and sugar, sugar, sugar. It’s going to get back to focusing on protein, focusing on real food, meaning whole food, not highly processed foods.
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I know we’ve talked about this in the past, but I have to even remind myself of this sometimes because I cannot tell you, Dr. Kelly, how many people I tell this story to that don’t know it’s real. In fact, they look at me at times like, no, there’s no way that’s possible. And then I go to the Internet and bring it up on my phone and actually prove to them that yes, it is indeed the fact. And that is that when the cigarette companies were under pressure to start, you know, to basically, you know, outlaw cigarettes, if you would, or, you know, put all the warning labels on and they knew their sales were going to start to plummet, which they did. But give them credit where credit’s due. They were wise enough to say, OK, wait a minute. If we’re not going to be able to make it selling tobacco and cigarettes, then maybe we should do it selling food. So they went on this mass buying frenzy, if you would, Dr. Kelly, and buying up a lot of the food companies, which, frankly, they still own today.
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Exactly. And the reality is these foods have been engineered, John, to be addictive. They know exactly how much salt to add to sweet foods to make them addictive, how much sugar to add to salty foods to make them addictive. It has nothing to do with health. They have created food. and a revolving door of people buying foods and then getting sick needing to go to the doctor and requiring pharmaceuticals so so many patients so many people are on high blood pressure medication medication for kidney stones medication for heart disease medication for gastric problems whatever it is when what they really need to do is clean up what they are eating So this is big news. And I think that what HHS has done is follow through also by limiting what people are able to buy with food subsidies. It is absolute abject insanity, John, that we have people in this country who require public assistance. They require food stamps or SNAP, supplemental food assistance.
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And we also pay for those people’s health care. So we have a vested interest. We, the taxpayers, have a vested interest in keeping people on food subsidies healthy because we’re also paying for their health care. So I don’t want them to have type 2 diabetes and obesity and heart disease and osteoarthritis because of their weight issues. I want them to be healthy. And we should, as a country, really be striving for that. So although Maha, the idea of Make American Healthy Again, sounded aspirational as a political slogan during the campaign, it really, I think they are making some changes that honestly can result in better health outcomes.
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We are back, Dr. Kelly Victory, which Dr. Kelly’s been with us in this hour since August of 2020. So those of you listening that maybe even want to go back and listen to some of the things we’ve talked about in the past, feel free to do so. She was a great guide, not only through COVID, but after COVID and just really, Dr. Kelly, like we’re talking today, how do you stay healthy? What are the things that we do? What do you stay away from? What do we add in? The question I have for you, and we talk about some of this stuff on a pretty routine basis in regards to, you know, what should the masses be doing? Because at the end of the day, the healthier they are, the less money we all as taxpayers spend, the healthier of a society we have, the longer longevity there is. And by the way, as a business owner, higher productivity. I mean, Dr. Kelly, I can go down all of the benefits of people feeling better and, you know, losing weight, trimming things down, you know, exercising, doing all the things necessary to where they feel better at the end of the day. In other words, they get up firing on all cylinders instead of having to wait until noon until that happens. So at the end of the day, it’s a plus, plus, plus for society. Question I have, though, for you is, given the fact that we now, for generations, because the pyramid came out, I believe, in the early 90s, 92 or so, I want to say, and given the fact that we now have several generations that have been virtually brainwashed by these companies we mentioned in the last segment,
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Yeah, well, it’s tough because the medical community and public health officials have lost a lot of credibility. The COVID debacle didn’t put us in a very good light. And people, I think rightly so, are questioning the guidance that they’re being given by the, quote, experts. I think that what I suggest that people do is look at reality. As I said, when you look back at what people were eating for breakfast in the 1930s, 1940s, 1950s, when the chronic disease burden was a fraction of what it is today. So it’s one of these, you know, the proof is in the pudding. If you look at what Our grandparents ate. Look how they lived their lives, okay? It was early to bed, early to rise. They had, you know, really such great health habits. Very few people, you know, sat in front of a television. They certainly didn’t have computer screens. You didn’t have, you know, escalators and elevators everywhere. People walked everywhere. They’ve walked significantly more steps. Now people have to think about it every day to get their 10,000 steps in. I guarantee my mother and father and grandparents didn’t have to wear a pedometer to know they were getting their 10,000 steps. They were busy. That was the reality of life back then.
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So I think, honestly… we should look back at what healthy societies are doing that’s part of how they came to the conclusions about the new recommendations for childhood vaccines you know they the people at hhs looked at denmark they looked at other westernized countries that have far better health outcomes than we have and said, what are these guys doing? What are these countries doing? And model it after them. I’d say the same thing with the food pyramid. So when did we start to see this huge increase in obesity? It’s multifactorial. It’s not just the food. It’s also the fact that we have engineered activity out of our daily lives. As I said, it’s escalators and elevators and electric bikes and all of this. An electric bicycle? Really? You’ve essentially eliminated the benefit that you get from riding the bicycle. So we’ve engineered activity out of our daily lives. increased screen time at the same time that we have relied on more and more heavily processed foods. So it’s a combination of all of these things. I think people are getting less sleep than they did before. We’re more stressed than ever. So all of these things play into it. I think if I had to pick one thing, John, that people should focus on, if you could do nothing else, it would be add daily activity, add exercise to your life. and exercise doesn’t mean you have to go out and join a gold’s gym right you can easily walk your dog garden get outside and you know just promise yourself you’re going to take a walk every day and you know if you’re fortunate and you’ve got the time and you can start right out of the box by making it a three mile walk or a four mile walk terrific but if all you can muster Is a 10-minute walk after breakfast and a 10-minute walk after dinner? Okay, start there, but add some actual activity to your daily life.
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Somebody asks, okay, big food is trying to kill us. How do we get around the glyphosates, for example? And I know we’ve talked about some of this in the past, but again, you’re the expert here. I’ll refer that to you.
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Absolutely. I mean, glyphosates are a huge problem. Glyphosates are the chemical that’s known in Monsanto’s Roundup that people think of as a weed killer. Unfortunately, it is sprayed in smaller amounts, but significant amounts, on wheat crops and other grains in this country as a desiccant, meaning it helps to dry it after it’s been cut so that it can be processed more quickly. I firmly believe that many, many people in this country who believe that they have a problem with gluten and that they have a gluten allergy or gluten intolerance, in fact, are responding to the glyphosates. Yes, celiac disease exists. Yes, there are people who do have true gluten intolerance. But the vast majority, I believe, of people who have symptoms like bloating and abdominal pain, diarrhea, whatever it is, after they eat wheat is because they’re responding to that glyphosate. How do we avoid it? Well, ultimately, I’m hoping it will be outlawed. It will be banned. And if Bobby Kennedy is able to get that done, I know he will because I know he agrees with me on these issues. In the meantime, it means spending a little more money by if you are a baker or somebody who uses flour or wheat, you need to find one that is an organic one that does not, that says specifically glyphosate-free. Most you can get them actually that are imported brands of flour from Italy and other places in Europe that absolutely do not use glyphosate. You should look for breads and other bread products if you’re eating those that are say that they are organic and use organic wheat, organic flowers that do not include glyphosate. This is a real problem, and I think it’s undoubtedly, as I said, not only driving the false gluten issue that people think they have, but it’s also perhaps contributing to cancer rates and obesity.
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And I guess the other question that I’ve got along those same lines is, and I mean, for me personally, this is me talking. I’m not trying to push this on to anybody else. But I think for me in general, Dr. Kelly, I just have to stay away from those types of products altogether. I do my best to, you know, I guess you could say eat around or eat without them, mainly just because I know for me personally and how my body is, my body type is, they don’t benefit me at the end of the day.
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I agree. And I essentially, as much, I absolutely adore bread.
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Oh, me too. I’d have a piece of bread over a candy bar any day of the week.
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Yeah, I mean, I absolutely adore it. And I’ve stopped. I stopped eating it. I eliminated for myself most carbohydrates, you know, certainly sugar as much as possible. But I also eliminated the starchy foods like bread, pasta, potatoes, things that I just dearly love, cereals of all sorts. Because I don’t think they benefit me, and I think that the studies are pretty clear. I do eat carbohydrates in that I eat vegetables, and I eat a lot of vegetables. But again, avoid the starchy ones. I don’t eat corn or legumes. just because it’s too much starch. And I’m not suggesting that anyone should follow that prescription. I’m not saying it’s unhealthy, for example, to eat bread. I just think we have developed an over-reliance on it. Well, it’s cheap.
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I mean, you and I both know part of that is, and correct me if I’m wrong, but it’s one of the cheapest foods we have out there and probably one of the most profitable foods we have. Am I right?
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Correct. And so if you think about your average American, you know, if they’re not eating a big bowl of cereal for breakfast, if eating something that includes a couple pieces of toast, a couple slices of toast, then lunch comes along and they have a sandwich, another two pieces of bread. And then at dinner, either have rice, pasta, potatoes, bread, or a combination of those things. So the amount of calories are taken in in relatively refined carbohydrates is quite high. Most people are not eating super, super grainy breads, super, you know, under processed, mildly processed wheat. You know, so much of the convenience foods that we have are highly processed. And honestly, you know, you barely have to chew most of the bread that comes out of the grocery aisle at the grocery store. you know, it’s really just a carrier for most people for jam and butter. And, you know, and it neatly holds some, you know, lunch meats in between the two slices. The nutritional value of the bread itself is almost zero. And so it’s wasted calories, wasted carbohydrates, causes your insulin levels to spike. So I’m a fan of really limiting it. Go to something alternative. If you’re going to eat bread, look for one that’s super high fiber, high protein, minimally processed, and start thinking about other things to eat for lunch other than a sandwich.
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The other thing that I learned when I lost all of my weight back in 2010, and it was something I should have been doing all along, and I think there’s a lot of folks listening, that this would benefit. And again, you have to be a little bit regimented in what I’m going to tell all of you that are listening. But if you really want to get down to having the right foods, eating correctly for yourself, and what I mean by that, Dr. Kaelin, I think you know what I’m saying, is not everybody’s created equal. Not everybody’s affected by the same things in the same way. We all have a different DNA. respond differently to different things, but where I’m going with this is journaling the food that you eat and how do you feel after eating said food. If all of us listening, Dr. Kelly, would take even just a couple of weeks or a month and journal that and say, okay, I had this at this time, and this is how I felt an hour later, and this is what I had at this time, and this is how I felt an hour later. If we would do that, you’d soon learn that, well, wait a minute, I felt really good eating you know, X, Y, Z, but I didn’t feel very good eating ABC. So, okay, then cut ABC out of your diet if that’s the case.
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Absolutely. It’s really pretty simple. You can absolutely, as you said, figure out what is driving your bloating, your grogginess. You know, there are foods, I can tell you for myself, if I eat early in the morning, I’m hungry for the rest of the day. Right. You know, I so I don’t do that.
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It’s funny you say that because you and I are the same. And yet there’s a lot of folks that are out there. And I interview a lot of different people on health and wellness on Wednesdays that will tell you to have a really good breakfast, high protein. It’ll help you throughout the rest of the day to not eat as much. And and, you know, for some, that might be the case, Dr. Kelly, but that’s not the case for me.
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It’s not the case for me, and I believe that, again, that the data with regard to what we call intermittent fasting, it’s really a limited food window where you try to go for anywhere from 12 to 16 hours without eating at all, which means… For most people, if you eat your last bite of dinner or popcorn or whatever at 8 o’clock at night, that you don’t eat again until noon the next day.
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That’s right.
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There’s your 16 hours. Yeah. So it doesn’t have to be 16. It could be 15 or 14. But you definitely want it to be more than 12 or 13. You want a period of time where, number one, you’re allowing your gut to rest. Number two, you’re allowing your body to start tapping into some of the fat stores that all of us have. It improves your insulin sensitivity. It improves your body’s ability to clean up old, dead, dysfunctional cells. It has lots and lots of health benefits. You know, we were told for a long time, oh, you need to eat six small meals a day. You’re constantly putting food in your mouth. That is not true. And it actually, I believe, drove a lot of the obesity epidemic because you’re never giving yourself time without food. And honestly, Americans are one of the only cultures that does this. where we snack incessantly. Most people eat breakfast, you know, 6.30 or 7 in the morning, and then they’re still eating popcorn at 11 o’clock at night. So your time period that you go without eating is maybe, you know, seven or eight hours. It’s just not enough.
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Right. Good point. And I don’t do this every single day because I gauge off of how hungry am I and so on. But for me, for most days – again, I don’t do this every single day, Dr. Kelly, but I’m guessing probably – Five out of seven days, I am one where I won’t eat until dinner the following night. So I do a complete, I guess you could say, 18 hour fast and go from, you know, or 24 hour fast even because I won’t eat until the very next night, you know, basically dinner time each day. And I’ll do that, like I said, at least five out of seven days. And for those of you listening, it sounds like, you know, oh, wow, how can that be? That’s just got to be torture. Aren’t you hungry all day long? Actually, Dr. Kelly, when you get in that mode, no, you really, you know, honestly, I feel great. I’m not hungry. I’m not drained. I mean, everybody listens to me at three o’clock in the afternoon. I’m not tired. I mean, I’m rolling right along. And in most cases, most days I haven’t eaten since dinner the night before.
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No, and actually, I would say that it’s very, very healthy. That’s what it’s just difficult for most people to do, John. That’s called OMAD, one meal a day. And there’s great data showing that it improves insulin sensitivity again, decreases your cholesterol, helps many, many people maintain a healthy weight. There’s nothing unhealthy about doing that as long as you maintain your hydration. I suggest that if you’re going to do that or going to try to do it even once or twice a week, that you make sure that you’re drinking plenty of fluids. That could be plain tea, plain coffee, water, something without calories in it and certainly without sugar. But there’s nothing unhealthy about that. And really, the studies would say that there are many health benefits. It’s just that it’s very hard for a lot of people.
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And I just got a text message in too, and this is really key because I did this as well when I was losing weight. And this person says, I weigh all my food, three to four ounces as a serving. No one needs 12 to 16 ounces of anything per serving per meal. And again, that’s because in most cases, Dr. Kelly, people’s stomachs are expanded. They’re not shrunk down, meaning that because it’s expanded, they can put that 12 to 16 ounce steak in, which in my case, I’m doing good to get four to five ounces down. I just can’t eat as much as I used to because of what we’re talking about. Because when you get things shrunk back down, you don’t eat as much.
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Absolutely. And the other thing that people, you know, I happen to, you know, I like to eat volume. So my way of doing it is that I just make sure that the thing I’m eating in volume is the low caloric piece. I have an enormous leafy green salad every single night. Now, regardless of what else I’m having, I have an enormous green salad with vegetables. Lots of different raw vegetables in it because that fills me up.
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And then I’m satisfied with, you know, four hours to six ounces of chicken or salmon or whatever it is, rather than needing, you know, a 12-ounce piece because I don’t put any starch on my plate, pasta starch. Right. Potatoes, rice or bread. I need that additional volume in vegetables. So I think there are lots of ways to do it. As you said, you’ve got to find out what works for you. Some other people would prefer to eat smaller volumes of food and have it be very calorie dense. You know, you just eat whatever works for you. But we’ve got to get off of all of these refined carbohydrates that we went through. You may recall it was. even before your weight loss journey, when we went through the fat-free craze. Oh, yes. Everything was okay as long as it was fat-free. So, you know, people are eating boxes of those Snackwell cookies, you know, that were just, rife with sugar and highly highly processed i think they had a shelf life of like four you know millennia um i mean they couldn’t mold because they were so artificial you know people would eat an entire 16 ounce bag of pretzels but they’re fat free you know uh and people got more and more obese more and more diabetic more and more hypertensive you know as that happened We now, I believe, you know, understand the error of those ways. Mostly we have exposed the food, you know, big food, big ag, the big industry that has been making a fortune off of us for this because they sold us the food and then they sold us the medication to treat the illness that they induced.
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And it makes you wonder along those lines because this is, you know, after having my dad go through, you know, dementia, Alzheimer’s and all of that and kind of looking back at the things that caused some of that. And I get it. Sometimes it’s just going to happen. It’s hereditary in a lot of cases. And I get that. Although some of what you just talked about and some of the studies coming out now, you have to wonder, did some of our increase in, you know, Alzheimer’s and dementia come from that era of of that low-fat, no-fat end of things because the brain needs fat. The brain is fat. It needs a certain amount of fat to just keep itself going and stay healthy, Dr. Kelly. And so you have to wonder, did we have some sort of a spike when it comes to the dementia and Alzheimer’s because of what we did during that time frame?
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My personal opinion is absolutely. And I think this obsession and my colleague, Dr. Peter McCullough, who I respect tremendously, would disagree with me on this point. I think our obsession with cholesterol. and taking satin drugs has been part of the problem as well. You know, back in the 1950s, 1960s, a cholesterol of 300 was considered perfectly normal, perfectly fine. And I think we simply do not have a very sophisticated understanding of cholesterol. It is clear to me that all cholesterol is not created equal. Some people’s high cholesterol may lead them, predispose them to heart disease. But other people’s cholesterol, high cholesterol does not. And it’s very, as you said, brain protective. And I think the idea that, you know, we told everybody to be afraid of saturated fats. Don’t eat eggs. Don’t eat steak. Don’t eat butter. You know, don’t do any of that. And if your cholesterol gets above 200, quick, let’s put you on some Lipitor. I think we have created problems that we shouldn’t have had. So I think, number one, we need to have a better understanding, a more complex understanding of what the different subtypes of cholesterol are and get better tests to sort that out before we just start treating the number and saying, ooh, cholesterol high, that’s bad. And I’m hoping… that as people get back to eating more things like butter and whole fat dairy, which is now back on, more eggs, more cheese, those sorts of things, that we will perhaps see a decrease in incidence of some of those neuro-progressive diseases.
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Okay, we are back. Rush to Reason, Denver’s Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560. Dr. Kelly, text message came in. What is Dr. Kelly’s thoughts on the Pfizer product, the fake rennet that they make cheese with now, getting away from the real rennet? And I have no idea what that means.
SPEAKER 13 :
Yeah, well, there’s a lot of fake stuff in cheese. Cheese is one of the big offenders. And, you know, truly, there’s a lot of stuff out there that calls itself cheese that, you know, it barely melts. So run it isn’t the only thing that’s been made artificially. And a tremendous amount of cheese has artificial coloring in it. So, again, we’ve got to get back to, you know, the basics just because, you know, whether it’s cheese, bread, whatever it is. Look for something that is minimally processed. Look for something that does not include artificial colorings, flavorings, preservatives. Look for something that used, you know, hormone-free milk, for example. You know, cheese, as I said, big offender. It’s something worth looking at. Rennet isn’t the only thing that’s artificial in many of those cheeses, which is part of the reason that they have shelf lives that are as long as they are. That’s right. So, you know, I would encourage people to not buy the prepackaged cheese, you know, unless you can’t avoid it. Try to buy something that’s actually cut off of a large wheel and wrapped in, you know, saran or cellophane at the store right there, because those tend to be less full of artificial ingredients.
SPEAKER 06 :
Okay. And again, for all of you listening, and I want to make sure I’m very clear on this. I know, Dr. Kelly, you would agree with me on this, given we’re at the beginning of the year. Probably should have mentioned this even, you know, last week. People make resolutions. I’m going to lose weight. I’m going to do this. I’m going to get healthier and so on. And a lot of folks out there will. find a a diet they’ll find some influence or somebody that they’re following or maybe the cubicle next door did something or the neighbor next door or a family member or whatever the case may be in for all of you listening here’s what I will tell you I’m not saying those things are bad i’m not saying those things are good what i’m saying is i don’t know for you in particular whether they’re good or bad and frankly neither do you you really have to study what works for you because i know dr kelly again as i said earlier everybody’s different what one person might not do well with another person might be okay with and vice versa and so at the end of the day you really have to know you and your body and and what works now one thing i do know And I think this is pretty much standard across the board. For those of you listening, if you want to lose weight, first thing you have to figure out is what’s your normal daily caloric intake. If it’s 2,000 or, you know, where it keeps you stable is what I’m trying to say. So if it’s, you know, 2,000 calories a day and that’s your, you know, resting caloric rate, well, Dr. Kelly, it’s just simply math. If you live on 1,800 calories or 1,500 calories and 2,000 is where you normally would be to stay at your, you know, to maintain your weight, you’re going to lose weight. I mean, some of this isn’t that difficult, and yet we get all out of whack and all out of sorts with some of these fad diets where really at the end of the day, it’s figuring out what foods really affect you negatively and then stay away from those. And then if you want to lose weight, eat less calories than what your caloric intake is. It’s that simple.
SPEAKER 13 :
Exactly. And so you either eat less or move more or a combination of the two.
SPEAKER 06 :
Well, and I want to jump in really quick on that because here’s another misconception, though, that I think a lot of people have. And you know this as well as I. It takes a ton, a ton… of movement to raise that caloric intake 500 for example in other words if you’re normally 2000 you want to go to 500 most people listening right now dr kelly can’t accomplish that and i know that doesn’t sound like a big number in relation to you know 2000 it’s a fourth of uh reality is that’s a big number and people think oh you know i went out and i did this this and this i can eat another 500 calories today no you might be able to eat 50 or 100 not 500
SPEAKER 13 :
You’re exactly right. It is very difficult to, quote, walk or run off an indulgent meal. If you think, oh, you know, I just had a cheeseburger and fries. I’m going to go take a walk. You’d have to walk about 20.
SPEAKER 06 :
You have to walk to the burger joint and back probably to make that happen.
SPEAKER 13 :
Exactly. So, you know, you are absolutely right. The reason that. Exercise, I think, helps several. Number one, it does increase your overall metabolic rate.
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That’s right.
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You get your metabolic rate. It also increases the good, you know, good field hormones, you know, endorphins and the things that help you to feel full for longer. It increases your muscle mass and muscle burns more calories than fat. So lots of good things about exercise exercise. And as I say, if I go for a walk for an hour, it’s an hour I’m not eating.
SPEAKER 12 :
That’s right. That’s right. No, great point. Great point.
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I’m not sitting at my desk eating something that I shouldn’t be eating. So lots of good reasons. But you’re right. It is simply a calories in and calories out. The reason I suggest that people avoid all the processed stuff, not only because it’s unhealthy and it increases your risk of cancer and metabolic disease, by which I mean insulin resistance, but also because it’s hard to stay full. If you are eating nothing but sweets, you get a spike in your blood sugar, you’re going to be hungry an hour later. You’re going to be hungry before you otherwise would. If you eat something that’s very protein-forward, high protein meals tend to make you feel full for longer. So it’s just easier. Nobody, hunger is a form of pain. And you need to think about it that way. It’s a form of pain. It’s uncomfortable. Nobody likes to feel hungry. That’s why these weight loss injections will go the Ozempic, you know, have done so well because they make people so they don’t feel hungry because people have a very hard time overcoming that feeling of hunger. I don’t suggest that the vast majority of people take those injectable drugs because they are fraught with negative side effects and some of them very serious. So the cheap man’s way, the better way to go to make yourself feel less hungry all the time is to eat the right foods. And the right foods tend to be high in fiber and high in protein.
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Somebody asked a moment ago, and this one I’m not familiar with, and maybe I’m missing the question, but they wanted me to ask you about, you know, are bugs in food dangerous? And I didn’t, I mean, are there bugs in food? Am I missing something?
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I don’t know if he’s asking about this new idea, to which I do not subscribe, but getting protein by eating bugs. I don’t know if that’s what he’s talking about, this idea that the powers that be, the elites in this world, think that we’re going to start eating bugs because it’s more sustainable than eating beef or fish. or poultry, or if that person’s referring to bugs, meaning if you get infestations in food. So I’m not sure what the reference is. I can tell you for the record, I do not ever intend to eat bugs as a protein source.
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Me neither. Not happening. Not on my watch. Not unless I can help it. I mean, I might eat one accidentally or, you know, have your mouth open at the wrong time and have one come in. But at the end of the day, I’m not doing it intentionally. Yep, me neither. Somebody asked also, how do you get a good night’s sleep? Now, we’ve talked about this in the past. For some of you listening, I’ve even done entire health and wellness segments on this. And again, I want to make sure I’m clear on this. I do think there’s some standard things that affect most people, although I also want to say, Dr. Kelly, everybody has different sleep patterns, sleeps differently, and so on. Some people, like myself, I’m a very light sleeper. Some people are a very heavy sleeper. It just depends on you and what you need. So, again, I want to be careful here that, like a diet, we’re going to give some generalities, but you have to figure some of this stuff out on your own.
SPEAKER 13 :
Absolutely. And a full disclosure, I’ve never been there, but the brochure looks nice. Yeah, me neither.
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I’m with you.
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I am the worst sleeper. Not by design. I never have. And since that time, I was a very, very young child. Yeah, me too. My mom actually noted it in my baby book. I was never a good sleeper. Me neither. And frankly, what puts me at risk is probably one of my biggest risk factors for serious disease is the fact that I get so little sleep. But I will tell you that there are some tricks and they’re certainly… Number one is consistency, meaning consistency with regard to the time that you go to bed and the time that you rise in the morning. Absolutely. Number one, you should… turn off the pads, the screens. The blue light that is emitted from screens, whether it’s a computer, an iPad, a cell phone, or a television, turns off that portion of your brain that produces naturally occurring melatonin. So it’s self-defeating to be looking at a screen, and the vast majority of people are still looking at their screens while they’re in bed, getting ready to actually turn the light off. and try to go to sleep. Really bad idea. And it takes self-control, but to say that at least an hour before you want to go to bed, it’d be better if it were two, but at least one hour that you put down the screen, pick up a magazine or a book or something else if you want to read, but no screens. Number three is a dark, cool room. One of the things that keeps people awake is ambient light and ambient noise. As well as too much heat. Truly, if the room is a little chilly and you have to actually pull up a blanket or a quilt, that’s even better. So a dark, quiet, cool room. It’s part of the reason, by the way, that many people sleep better when they’re at a hotel. Because hotels tend to have blackout drapes. Where my house does not. And people are less afraid to use the air conditioning at the hotel because they’re not paying for it. So they get that room nice and cold and they climb in bed and they sleep really well. So a dark, cool room. Use an eye mask if you need to. If your partner is still reading or you have outside light that comes in. A cheap eye mask is worth a tremendous amount in terms of a good night’s sleep. So those are my best tips.
SPEAKER 06 :
I think really going back to your point originally, which for those of you listening, one thing I learned a long time ago, that consistency matters. And I don’t know how else to say it other than that’s another discipline thing, Dr. Kelly. In other words, go to bed roughly at the same time every night. Get up at roughly the same time every morning. And by the way, for some of you listening, you’re not going to like me saying this, but you should do that seven times. days a week, not five, but seven, because what happens on the weekends, if you don’t follow through with that, now you’re getting things thrown out of whack because you slept in or did this or did that, and you’re not on that same schedule that you were the other five days. So I’m one, personally, where I keep the basic same schedule. I don’t vary it much at all, Dr. Kelly, on the weekends. I mean, I might… If I’ve got the chance on a Sunday morning, instead of being up at 6, I might be up at 6.30. But within 30 minutes, I’m up roughly at the same time every day. I don’t vary it much because I know it can affect me negatively if I do.
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100%.
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Unless I have a show to do, which I do, or have a fight to catch unusually early, I am up between 5.30 and 6 every morning, seven days a week. And it’s same reason because you will throw yourself off. And anybody who’s had a baby understands how easily sleep wake cycles can get off. And the idea that you’re going to burn it, you know, either one way or another, that you’re going to stay up late and get up early during the week and then, quote, catch up on the weekends is a fallacy. It doesn’t work that way. And likewise, people go, you know, all of a sudden stay up until, you know, midnight or 1 o’clock or 2 o’clock in the morning on the weekends thinking that they’ll sleep in the next morning. You are really wreaking havoc on your cortisol levels, your stress hormones, and on your ability to maintain a circadian rhythm. So, you know, again, getting back to what our grandparents did back when they were the early years of this country, when we had a farming agricultural, you know, culture that that people went to bed when it got dark. They went to bed at 7.30 at night, and they got up at 5 in the morning when the sun started to come up to get out and start doing morning chores. That is the healthy way to be. And also, again, this is, again, where exercise comes in. Taking a brisk walk, a couple of brisk walks a day. does a tremendous amount to helping improve your sleep quality.
SPEAKER 06 :
That’s right. One last thing. I got a comment a moment ago that said counting calories doesn’t work. You shouldn’t do that. There’s difference between calories in, say, candy bars versus something else. And I’m going to respond to that one because I watched a video the other day. That frankly goes against what this person just said. I watched a video the other day where somebody said, listen, we’re going to prove that calories actually do count. And I’m not recommending this. Dr. Kelly, you wouldn’t either. But in this particular case, this particular individual tracked his calories, what his caloric regular intake was, and then literally ate junk food. but ate junk food under his caloric intake, and at the end of the day, Dr. Kelly, still lost weight. So I’m sorry to say, whoever you are that’s emailing this, and I won’t give names out, but I’m sorry to say you’re wrong because I’ve seen videos and testimonials on this very subject, and yes, caloric intake matters, and yes, calories matter, and if you want to lose weight, you simply subtract calories out of your diet. I fully understand that your body responds to different calories accordingly. It’s what you and I were even talking about earlier, Dr. Kelly. And, no, I wouldn’t advise eating, you know, if you’re at 2,000 caloric intake a day and you want to eat 1,500 calories of junk food, no, I’m not going to recommend that because it’s not good for you anyway. My point is, Dr. Kelly, I’ve seen studies done whereby these individuals still lose weight.
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100%. If you’re looking just at weight loss, to lose a pound, you need a deficit of 3,500 calories. 3,500 calories. If you have a deficit, so that means if you cut out 500 calories a day for seven days for a week, if you have 500 calorie a day deficit, you’ll lose a pound a week. If you have 1,000 calorie a day deficit every day, you’ll lose two pounds a week. But the difference is, and where this person is correct… is that the way that you perceive those calories and your ability to maintain a calorie deficit is absolutely impacted. So take, for example, if I wanted to eat 1,000 calories a day, which I wouldn’t because that’s way below my caloric need, but if I wanted to, I could eat four Snickers bars. They’re 250 calories a piece.
SPEAKER 12 :
That’s right.
SPEAKER 13 :
So I could have four Snickers bars during that whole 24-hour period, or I could eat two eggs. two cartons of low-fat yogurt, two cups of steamed broccoli, a grilled chicken breast. Think about it. I’m still not up to 1,000 calories. I could throw in… I could eat… four ounces of salmon, and still treat myself to two Hershey’s Kisses.
SPEAKER 06 :
That’s right. And really quick, the difference is, and I’m not totally disagreeing with this person, although the presumption of what this person said is wrong, because yes, you can lose weight just by having… Now, I also know, Dr. Kelly, that some of those things, even you just mentioned, because of their content, will actually make you more hungry and are not going to help you lose weight when it’s all said and done. So where the salmon, by the way, is a much better choice than a Snickers bar, even though the calories might be roughly the same, you’re not going to be near as hungry and have the crash, if you would, by eating the salmon versus the Snickers bar.
SPEAKER 13 :
And that’s exactly my point, is that both are 1,000 calories, and you will lose weight But your experience, how you feel during that day, eating what I was just talking about versus the four Snickers bars, because the four Snickers bars, you’re going to be hungry a lot of the day.
SPEAKER 12 :
That’s right.
SPEAKER 13 :
You’ll feel good for the hour, maybe 90 minutes after each one, but then you’re going to be really unsatisfied. That’s right. Where if you eat that other stuff, you will feel your blood sugar will be much more stable. That’s right. You will feel better. And that has nothing, you know, and we aren’t even talking, we’re talking about weight loss. We’re not talking about all the other health benefits and all the other negative side effects of eating just junk food. So calories really do matter, and high-quality calories just make it easier for you to stick to a lower number.
SPEAKER 06 :
Oh, great way to end. Dr. Kelly, as always, I appreciate it greatly. A fast hour. Thanks for all. That was like a speed session, so thanks for all the information. I appreciated it greatly, and we will keep going like we did in previous years. 2026 will be another great year.
SPEAKER 13 :
Sounds great. Thanks, John.
SPEAKER 06 :
Thanks, Dr. Kelly. I appreciate it very much. And thanks for all the input, by the way. All of you that were texting and commenting and emailing and so on, I appreciate that greatly. I know she does as well. And I learn a lot every time she’s on. I hope you guys do also. Veteran Windows and Doors coming up next. If you’re looking to save money on Windows and Doors, cut to the source. In other words, get rid of that middleman, cut right to the source. That’s what Veteran Windows and Doors does for you. Find them today. Just go to klzradio.com.
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It’s time to leave your safe space. This is Rush to Reason on KLZ 560.
SPEAKER 06 :
Okay, we are back, finishing out this hour with Dr. Kelly Vitry, who was with us this past hour. Got about a minute left here, and one thing I just want to throw in and add. I know we talked about this with Dr. Kelly, but every one of you is different. Everything that we just talked about for this past hour is not direct medical advice for any individual person concerned. Period. It’s all very general things that we talked about. Each one of you listening, if there’s something that you need to do in your life to make a change, lose weight, get in better shape, exercise, whatever the case may be. You need to look at that individually, get some advice from folks like Dr. Scott, who you could actually go and pay a visit to, have him even in a lot of cases run some blood work, make sure that everything is fine. is going well in your world. There’s situations where you could have a deficiency in a particular mineral, which, by the way, could be affecting other areas of your life and your health, whereby if you fix that, other things come back into check and so on. So please, everything we just talked about is very… very, very general and generic and is not medical advice at all for any specific person. It’s all very general in how things work. So if you need something specific, go see your own doctor. And by the way, we’ve got a great one, which is Dr. Scott, of course. So with that, we’re going to take a quick timeout. We’ll come right back for hour number two. Don’t go anywhere. This is Rush to Reason, Denver’s Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560.
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Average Guys.
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Ordinary Average Guys.
