This hour of Drive Radio turns into a full-on automotive nostalgia session as listeners and hosts debate which discontinued vehicles deserve a comeback. The conversation covers Ford Torinos, Chevy Chevelles, Buick Grand Nationals, classic Stingrays, Scouts, vintage Jeeps, and even military surplus Willys models that once arrived in shipping crates covered in cosmoline.
John Rush and Steve Horvath also tackle the reality of modern performance compared to classic muscle cars, explaining why today’s factory vehicles can outperform many of the legendary cars enthusiasts grew up idolizing. The discussion includes quarter-mile comparisons, modern horsepower numbers, traction control advances, and why old-school
SPEAKER 03 :
Being an expert on general automotive knowledge, what would the correct ignition timing be on a 1955 Bel Air Chevrolet with a 327 cubic inch engine and a four barrel carburetor?
SPEAKER 18 :
It is a trick question. Watch this. Because Chevy didn’t make a 327 in 55. The 327 didn’t come out until 62. And it wasn’t offered in the Bel Air with a four-barrel carb until 64. However, in 1964, the correct ignition timing would be four degrees before top dead center.
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SPEAKER 04 :
Okay, we’re back. Hour number two. Drive Radio, KLZ 560. Myself, Steve Horvath, Geno’s Auto Service, and Mike in Highlands Ranch. Go ahead, sir. You’re next.
SPEAKER 10 :
I hate to double-dip.
SPEAKER 04 :
You’re fine. Not a problem.
SPEAKER 10 :
But I have a question about spare tires. Sure. They sit up there underneath, you know, the vehicles I’ve owned in the past, my Tahoe, my… Right. They sit there for years on end. Yes, they do. Never touch the road. That’s right. And I’m thinking… And that’s why I’m asking you guys that there ought to be, you probably have to replace them after so many years of sitting there. And I was under the impression that many car manufacturers and tire shops say, you know, after X amount of years of this tire sitting there, whether it’s in the garage or wherever, Um, it’s got some rubber degradation and I, the other thing that was interesting, I’ve only had, I only had my spare on my Tahoe on the ground once in a fishing trip in Southern Wyoming. And, um, you know, it hadn’t touched the ground for 15 years. I got it out, dropped it down and there wasn’t 20 pounds of air.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yep. That happens too.
SPEAKER 10 :
Yeah, and I went, okay, so I asked my guys that work on my current truck, the ASE guys at Four Seasons, to, you know, check the air on the spare. But, you know, should I be looking after six years of that stuff?
SPEAKER 04 :
sitting under there and none of us like to spend any money because i think rule of thumb mike would be 10 i wouldn’t do it at six i don’t think you need to do six but at 10 yeah if that tire has been under there for 10 years especially on a situation like that where it’s getting road debris and everything else it’s you know it doesn’t have the uv degradation that’s the one nice thing about it but i think at 10 years yeah probably ought to think about putting a new tire on it okay well that makes a ton of sense it’s just a
SPEAKER 10 :
I know it’s anal, but it’s just, to me, it makes just perfectly good safety sense.
SPEAKER 04 :
Agree.
SPEAKER 10 :
All right. Well, thank you. That’s all I have.
SPEAKER 04 :
And really quick, for some of you that have fleets, by the way, if you buy similar trucks and they have the same spare tire, what I’ve been known to do because I’m sometimes cheap, Mike, is if you’ve got more than four trucks or at least have four trucks and they all have the exact same spare tire, you can put an old used tire up as a spare because you don’t need to have a new tire, by the way, as long as it will hold air and will get you to the next place to handle things. You’ve got four tires you can put on a truck and save a set of tires that way. Mm-hmm.
SPEAKER 10 :
Oh, that’s a good point. That’s a really good point.
SPEAKER 04 :
So some of you fleet operators need to look at that.
SPEAKER 10 :
Yeah, yeah. Take the rest of the day off.
SPEAKER 04 :
Thanks, Mike. All right. Appreciate you, man, very much. And, Al, you are next. Go ahead, Al.
SPEAKER 12 :
Oh, hey, John, I just had a memory. Sure. A comment about when I was a kid in the early 60s. My grandfather always had Popular Mechanics Magazine. Yes, that was very popular then, absolutely. We had no choice but to flip through them.
SPEAKER 04 :
That’s right.
SPEAKER 12 :
I remember in the back of them, and you probably remember this. Oh, I do. They were advertising Jeeps, like Army Jeeps, in the back. You could buy them for like $300. I was a kid. I couldn’t afford even that. I wasn’t in a position to do it. But anybody remember the Jeeps being sold back then?
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah, you’d order them. And this is before my time, so I’m doing this from memory and what I’ve been told. But I believe, Al, you’d order them and they’d show up in a crate. That’s what I was thinking, too. And you had to put it together? Yeah, you put them together. And they were ex-surplus, Army surplus Jeeps, and that’s the way they even shipped them back in the day to the field, to the war or the front or whatever, is they’d ship it in a crate, and those technicians there would have to take everything apart and disassemble the crate and so on and put everything together. And I believe that they were selling surpluses of those at that time in the back of the magazine.
SPEAKER 12 :
No, I wish I had a couple in the crate that I hadn’t opened.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah, you and me both. Wouldn’t that be cool? You and me both. Okay. Well, mainly because, I mean, not only would that be really cool and nostalgic, but they’d bring some money today. So, yeah, I mean, you would have made money on that deal for sure.
SPEAKER 12 :
Do you think those Jeeps were probably 12-volt, or were they still 6-volt back then?
SPEAKER 04 :
Oh, you know, it depended upon the year. Those were probably 6-volts. The military ones? Yeah, those military ones at that time were probably 6-volt.
SPEAKER 12 :
With a little four-cylinder engine?
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah, they had four-cylinder engines. That’s exactly right, yeah. And those were flathead engines that those would have been. So those would have been a little four-cylinder flathead at that time. If you found one, they’d probably still be packed away good, too.
SPEAKER 12 :
They probably sounded really cool.
SPEAKER 04 :
They did, and they were very interesting. I worked on a lot of those, you know, in the early days of what I did and worked on a ton of those. And, you know, were they the best vehicles made? You know, for the time, they worked extremely well. But, no, they were not the best vehicle all around. And the misconception that a lot of folks had— Who made those for the military? What’s that?
SPEAKER 12 :
Yeah, who was making those for the government?
SPEAKER 04 :
Kaiser made some, and Ford, I think, made some as well. I’m doing that from memory, so if anybody knows and you want to correct me, feel free. I’m doing that from memory, but I believe it was Kaiser, and I think Ford did some also.
SPEAKER 12 :
I appreciate that, John. Thank you very much.
SPEAKER 04 :
You’re very welcome, Al. And again, guys, I did that from memory, so I’ll double-check myself during the break to see if I’m correct on that. But I believe those early – the early Jeeps, the World War II Jeeps, I believe those were made, I’m pretty sure, by – I thought Kaiser was the big one that did it, like you said, and maybe some Ford. I am double-checking. I was able to type that in as you were talking. So Willie’s Overland, but that was Kaiser. Willie’s Overland, I think Kaiser as well. Ford Motor Company and American Bantam Car Company also made some of those. And then Kaiser came along also with the M38s. I think what happened was Willie’s – again, I’ve got to go back and look, but I think – Willie’s Overland was acquired by Kaiser. Again, I’m doing some of this from memory, and it’s been a long time since I’ve looked some of this stuff up, so don’t quote me on that.
SPEAKER 07 :
And Kaiser was building ships. Weren’t they building the concrete ships or something?
SPEAKER 04 :
Now you’re really testing me. I don’t know, Steve. That’s one that, again, I should know, but that’s some history stuff that you have to remember and then keep studying and continue to remember because I don’t exactly remember, to be honest with you. Just a lot of great innovations came out of the world. So Kaiser Jeep resulted in a 1953 merger of Kaiser Motors and Willys Overland. So I was correct on that, that Kaiser did acquire Willys Overland, and that was in 1953. Willys was, at one point before World War II, was the second largest carmaker after Ford, which I did not know.
SPEAKER 07 :
That’s interesting.
SPEAKER 04 :
But their fortunes waned during the 30s. Willie survived during the war by getting the primary contract to build the World War II Jeeps. And then they focused exclusively on selling Jeep-branded vehicles, both civilian and commercial, as well as government and military vehicles. For Kaiser, the Jeep brand and its models were considered the crown jewels in the merger with Willie’s Overland Company. In 1955, Kaiser phased out all of Kaiser and Willys’ passenger cars, and Kaiser, initially under the name of Willys Motors, became entirely focused on Jeep products. So there’s your answer, Al, to all of that. So, by the way, thank you. A little trip down memory lane that I had to kind of pull out of my own memory banks because some of that I don’t keep on the forefront. So we’ll be right back, guys. Lines are open, 303-477-5600. Drive Radio, KLZ 560.
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SPEAKER 04 :
You’re next.
SPEAKER 09 :
Yeah, good morning, guys. Great subjects today, as always. You probably know what I’m going to tell you. Ford Motor Company, a few years ago, was toying with the idea of bringing back the Torino. They were using the Mustang body as the basis to do that, and I thought that would have been cool. But it looked more like the ones from the late 70s, or before mine was built, the ones from the late 60s, early 70s.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah, and I think, Conrad, and maybe, again, I’m not… In the inner circles, I don’t understand, you know, costs and so on, although I do know the marketplace fairly well. And knowing what, you know, Dodge did with, you know, Charger and Challenger, why Ford hasn’t done something along the lines with Torino and GM doing something with the Chevelle, why they haven’t done either one of those, I think they’re missing the boat personally.
SPEAKER 09 :
Me too, and I wish when Dodge did the— The Charger, they would have made a two-door version instead of that four-door. I know those four-doors are cool, but the other one is there’s a dude out in Tennessee. I don’t know if you ever watched that show on Motor Trend TV. It’s called Trans Am. They take late model Camaros, and they convert them into Trans Ams, and they also restore Trans Ams like the Bandit ones. Those are really cool.
SPEAKER 04 :
I have not seen that.
SPEAKER 09 :
That’s another one. Yeah, those are really cool. So here’s my question, though. We’ve got about this 2011 Supersport Camaro. A while back, I think I took you some pictures of it. It’s got the 6.2-liter engine in it. It runs really good. My nephew kind of told me that the car kind of has a learning curve. When you take off from a stop, if you feather the throttle, it’s kind of a little bit doggy. But if you hammer it all the way to the floor, it just takes off like crazy.
SPEAKER 04 :
that out of hell you know so does that computer learn the drivers yes in fact that’s that’s very true conrad with all uh late model cars now in that era especially they were that way it’s not the newer ones they’re very adaptive very fast to learn that one wasn’t quite as quick because again we’re 14 15 years old now right okay and a lot has changed in 15 years
SPEAKER 09 :
It’s only had like 11,000 miles on it. It’s a really cool little car, and I enjoy driving it.
SPEAKER 04 :
But, yes, they’re adaptive, and they learn how you drive, absolutely.
SPEAKER 09 :
Okay. And we’re coming along with the engine for the Torino. You had to get another water pump for it. I think once he gets that, we’re going to be going up to Greeley to get it on the dyno there.
SPEAKER 04 :
Very nice.
SPEAKER 09 :
Looking forward to that.
SPEAKER 04 :
That’ll be cool. You’re getting really close for summer here.
SPEAKER 09 :
Yeah, I’m going to have to learn how to drive that thing again because that’s going to be way different.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah, it’s going to be way different from what it was. That’s cool. Good for you, Conrad. I’m excited for you. That’s awesome. Appreciate you, man. Again, going back to cars, question of the day, bring a car back that they’ve discontinued, and what would it be? Again, another one for me, and I don’t know why General Motors has drug their feet on this one. In fact, I think they missed a real opportunity. They should have been ready for that. They all know what each other’s doing and so on. You hear through the grapevine this, that, and the other. When they released the Challenger, when Dodge did, several several years ago now decade plus ago general motors should have had a chevelle counterpart no reason they didn’t in my opinion they missed the boat they were too focused on you know doing things with evs and so on and what they should have done is something along those lines because i don’t know how many units i could look it up but i don’t know how many units you know dodge may but i do know this dodge and the high performance end of things I did the math on this years ago, was one of the most lucrative things they did on a per-unit basis. When you look at the profit margin they had on their SRT lineup, they made a fortune on that lineup. General Motors could have done the exact same thing. And I know there’s some internal arguing that always happens at General Motors between the Corvette guys and, you know, we want to be the high-performance this, that, the other – I get it. That’s all fine and dandy. You had the Camaro for the longest time, and then they discontinued it, which I don’t think they should have. There’s talk of it coming back, and I don’t know whether that’s really serious talk or not, but I really feel like they missed the boat not doing a larger car like the Challenger, albeit a Chevelle, and they’ve got the platform and the ability to do that. I don’t know why they never did.
SPEAKER 07 :
Sure. Those Challengers and what was that engine, the real high-performance engine? The Hellcats. Hellcat, thank you. And that sold some cars.
SPEAKER 04 :
It sold a lot of cars for them. And they took that engine and did other things with it, of course, put it in some of the trucks, you know, the TRXs and stuff. And Durango’s and even the Grand Cherokees and so on. And, yeah, they did extremely well. And, again, that’s another area where I feel like General Motors really missed the boat on that high-performance end of things. Not sure why they did that, but they did. Anyways, we’ve got a review coming up. We’re going to come right back after that. Myself, Steve Horvath. This is Drive Radio, KLZ 560.
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We don’t yell at you. We inform you. Now, back to Rush to Reason.
SPEAKER 04 :
All right, we are back. Rush to Reason, Denver’s Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560. That time of the week where we do new car reviews, so it’s a Drive Radio slash Rush to Reason segment. You just drove, Richard, a 2026 Lexus RZ550E, which is a mouthful.
SPEAKER 05 :
They say the mouthful, Dan, but basically this is Lexus’s, I guess, fully electric, I guess I’m going to call it their flagship performance variant in their RZ lineup. So the RZ is new. Again, it’s an all-electric. They’ve got differing trim levels, right? They’ve got a 350E, 350E Premium, all sorts of different mouthfuls, all the way up to this, which is the 550E. And this has got the F-Sport package on it as well, which basically, the biggest thing, Dan, is performance. brings you up to 402 horsepower which is really fantastic gives you um the big i guess it gives you performance tuning m mode which is something that’s new and i haven’t experienced before maybe you have which basically takes an electric car and kind of makes it manual in a way because it kind of gives you many shift points that you can utilize with paddle shifters okay um and really what it does is as you kind of go up through it just kind of tap the brakes a little bit It makes it feel like you’re shifting and it does kind of limit your speed. But if you wanted to kind of buy a electric vehicle that and feel like you’re still driving a conventional kind of transmission, they have that mode for you here. It’s got 20 inch arrow covered wheels, exclusive black exterior accents. It’s got a black ultra-suede trim that I’m looking at right now on the interior that looks beautiful. A dynamic sky roof, they call it, Dad, which is a panoramic opaque roof. And so, folks, what that means is basically you push a button and it turns the roof from opaque to clear. It’s not a full sunroof, Dad. It’s more of the moonroof, right? It’s got standard Lexus safety system 3.0. I will say it. It does have the nanny driving on here. So you’ve heard us talk about that a little bit more to where if you take your eyes off the road for it seems like half a second, even to check your blind spots, it’s going to yell at you. So either way, still great as far as that goes. 14-inch touchscreen dash, heated and ventilated front seats, heated steering wheel, heated second row seats. You can fit two booster seats in the vehicle. That part is nice. Outside of that, Dad, my biggest negative on this car is something they’ve improved for this year, but that is simply the range on this vehicle, Dad. The lower level trims, as I mentioned, the 350E can get about 300 miles based on perfect conditions. The vehicle that I’m driving, Dad, again, as we kind of mentioned, Maybe 212 miles or so. I don’t have the exact figures in front of me. Just not a whole lot. And not that that’s a huge difference or a huge concern, Dad. Just something we want people to know. It advertises that it’s 228 miles. Just know that you’re not quite at that 300. That’s kind of the barometer, right, Dad, that a lot of these electric vehicle makers and cars want to be at is that 300 miles, this car doesn’t get you there. I think they’re improving it. They’ve actually increased the battery size. I don’t have it on me, but I think it’s right around 72 kilowatts, if I’m not mistaken, which is really nice. They’ve also upgraded the charger. they’ve given you an 11 kilowatt onboard charger which reduces your level two um charging times i don’t have those exact in front of me dad but i’ll tell you this one thing with it having a little bit lower of a range you can pretty much charge this thing up overnight on a level two charger right as long as you’ve got that you know the proper connections at home easy uh pretty easily right pretty quickly i think overnight without too much issue one other positive that it’s got the nacs which is the Tesla-style port on it, and that just makes it easy, right?
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah, you go to a Tesla charge station that way.
SPEAKER 05 :
Correct. They do give you adapters, so if you’ve got another station or you’re going to another station.
SPEAKER 04 :
You’re on level two at home or whatever, sure.
SPEAKER 05 :
Exactly. You can adapt to it. But I’ll be honest, that Tesla plug is really, really nice. It’s just sleek. It’s smooth. It’s not as heavy as some of the other alternatives out there. Outside of that, Dad, my favorite thing of this vehicle is the performance. This thing flat out gets up and goes, especially this being the all-wheel drive variant. It’s got all the capability in the world. You literally smash on the gas on this thing, and you’re up into traffic, and there’s no delay. There’s no nothing. It really is nice that way. It’s got really nice, again, soft-touch materials, suede materials on the inside. really enjoy this the 360 degree camera system uh again outside of the range dad which again for you you’re just going to kind of have to be the judge and a lot of these manufacturers i think lexus included kind of have a thing where you put your zip code right dad and it basically draws a circle kind of tells you you know how far you can kind of go so you can kind of see okay i can go here and go there and honestly folks for most of you on your everyday driving probably not going to be that big of a concern but if you are looking to take a longer trip Definitely would consider that. Last thing I’ll say, Dad, as far as cargo room in the backseat, this is, again, this is kind of a compact SUV. In terms of the Lexus styling, I would put it, or the Lexus size, I would put it kind of, Dad, between that MX and that RX. Right. Not as not quite as big on the interior, but more than enough cargo room to be able to store soccer bags, sports bags, Costco run, whatever you need to to kind of handle that piece of it. And I know you’re you may get into the car yet this week, too. And I think you’ll experience that as well. And your experience on the electric side of things is is fantastic. And you can kind of attest to that as well. So. overall i would highly encourage people get out check this vehicle out because again it is kind of new i think it was new last year and they’ve improved upon it this year and i think they’ll continue to do that um get yourself in it get your friends and your family in it and when you do again this is the 2026 lexus rz 550e all-wheel drive this has got the f sport package on it and when you check it out let them know that john and richard rush from drive radio and rush to reason sent you
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Okay, we are back. Drive Radio, KLZ 560. Myself, Steve Horvath from Geno’s Auto Service in the Littleton area. Appreciate Steve joining us. Of course, Larry Unger answering phones today and Charlie Grimes. All right, question of the day. You can take a vehicle that they’ve discontinued, bring it back. And even modernize it. Now, these were somewhat modern, although not in today’s sense, because you could even make these more modern and more drivable and so on. But the Buick Grand Nationals, yeah, those were fast cars. Now, they were fast for their day. Are they as fast as the cars of today? No. Unfortunately, they’re not. Now, when that car was out, yes, they were extremely fast. They’re still fast by even today’s standards, but they are not as fast as a lot of production cars are today. I mean, there are some cars today. I don’t know if most people really… Even your regular daily driver, you know, how fast it is compared to what, you know, Steve and I and Larry and Charlie grew up with and a lot of you listening grew up with. You know, cars of today are so much faster. It’s just horsepower alone. I mean, it is. There’s no – even the full-size trucks, you know, they run as well as a lot of the old – what I would call muscle cars of the day. I mean, you know, remember back in the day, you had to have a really, really high performance car. I mean, I’m talking, you know, high performance, you know, Mustang, high performance, Hemi Cuda, high performance Camaros or Chevelles. And even then, those cars might have been, you know, 12, 12 and a half second cars, you know, back in the day, right out of the box. Which, by the way, some were high 11s, which, by the way, were really good running cars back in the day. My Z06 Corvette is a legitimate 10-second quarter-mile car that you buy right off the showroom floor, showing you how fast some of today’s modern cars are. Back in the day, to create and build a 10-second car to run the quarter-mile, Very few guys had enough money and or time to even make that happen. And you literally back then were driving a real true race car. They were very, very, very—a lot of guys claimed they had 10-second street cars. Very few of them would run 10-second in the quarter mile back in the day. Guys would claim they did, but we didn’t even have tires and things like that back then to really do— What these cars today will do didn’t have the traction control and so on. I mean, the reality is those cars wouldn’t do that without slicks and all sorts of setup with suspension and so on. And to get a true 10 second car took a really healthy car to do that. You can go buy a car today off the factory showroom floor that will do that. And I have one. So, yes, they are that fast. And it’s just stupid how fast some of the cars are today. And that includes, literally, folks, even just some of the regular bone stock Toyota Camrys and so on. I mean, they are so much faster than some of the cars we all grew up with. I think at times, you know, we tend to have this memory, and I do. I’m as guilty of this. You know, I’ve still got my car from high school, 1968 Buick Grand Sport, 400 engine. And that car, you know, made high threes in the horsepower range, maybe close to 400. I have to go back and look. I don’t remember. But that car factory at Bandemere’s at this elevation would run about 14.5 quarter mile, which in its day was a pretty fast car. But compared to some of the cars you could just go buy and drive, like a Toyota Camry, no, actually, it’s really not all that fast.
SPEAKER 07 :
Terrible thinking about that.
SPEAKER 04 :
I mean, back then, it seemed extremely fast. And it would burn the tires in the back and do things along those lines and so on. It was really a cool car. But compared to today’s standards, it’s really not all that fast. And I know because I go drive it sometimes. I’m like, jeez. I thought this car, I mean, I remember this car as a kid being way faster than it is right now. And the problem is we drive so many other cars that even just factory-wise are fast that you get in that old car and you think, is there something wrong with this car? Because it used to be a lot faster. But, yeah, it was a lot faster because everything else was slower. Yeah. So, yeah, it was fast because everything else around it was slow. That’s not the case anymore. They’re working on Volkswagen Bugs that had 80 horsepower. Yeah. Well, I mean, I was looking at some stuff the other day, Steve, even on some of the full-size trucks back then. If they had 180 horsepower or 230 horsepower… That was a lot. And now they’re talking about this next generation Chevy, the new engine coming out of being close to 500 horsepower in a truck. It’ll be in the high fours when it’s all said and done. And so, you know, you think about that. We had nothing, nothing even close to that back when I was a kid.
SPEAKER 07 :
You know, and even if you did drive something like that, you couldn’t handle it.
SPEAKER 04 :
No. No, the rest of the car, the setup and the suspension and tires and braking and so on, no, they were not like the cars that we have today. Now, I say all that to say this. I get into constant arguments sometimes on social media and other places where I say new cars are better than old cars. And I get arguments constantly of I’m crazy. I don’t know what I’m talking about. No, they’re not. There’s old cars are always better. No, folks, I’m sorry. They’re not. I get it. The new cars are harder to work on. There’s more sophistication and computers and different things going on. And, yes, they’re harder to determine a problem when there is one. But here’s the reality. There isn’t any that often. I mean, the reality is you don’t work on them like you did the old cars. I mean, that old car of mine, that old 68 Buick, it still has points. Yeah. Okay? Which you changed every, like, 6,000 miles or so. Yeah. And that was something you did on a semi-annual basis because if you didn’t, you weren’t going to drive the car. And if you went through a car wash or even splashed some water up and it got on the distributor, then you had issues. And, you know, remember those days, Steve? You didn’t even want to wash the engine off for fear that you’d get something wet and it wouldn’t start after you were done.
SPEAKER 07 :
Oh, yeah.
SPEAKER 04 :
How many of those you dealt with? Oh, a lot. In fact, back then, if you had one of those cars in the trunk, you usually carried some form of brake clean or something, whereby if it did get wet, you could pop the distributor cap off. You had a straight screwdriver with you at all times, and if you had to, you’d clean everything off and spray it out and dry it off the best you could. Put it back on and go.
SPEAKER 07 :
Try to do something with the screwdriver to try to make the points kind of arc a little bit so they can reconnect.
SPEAKER 04 :
Guys, you don’t do – I mean, I was talking about this the other day on – I think the Extra Mile, I talk about this today. Guys, back in the day, every technician had a spray bottle on their cart or their toolbox where if there was an engine miss, you didn’t hook it up to the scope. You got your spray bottle out. You fogged all the plug wires, and where one arced, you knew that’s where your problem was. We don’t do that now. There’s no plug wires to do that with, Steve. Nope, nope, nope. The coil sits right on top. So anyways, sorry to get off on a tangent there. But no, old cars, no, they are not as good as new cars. Not even close. Russ, go ahead, sir. You’re up.
SPEAKER 11 :
Hey, how’s it going? Good, sir. So, you know, I think it was last week, maybe the week before, you were talking about the old GM diesels. Oh, yes. The turds. Yep. There’s a company now that’s taking those and turning them into drag motors.
SPEAKER 04 :
Oh, you’re kidding me.
SPEAKER 11 :
Because they’re pretty strong.
SPEAKER 04 :
Okay. They must be redoing head bolts and things like that. And they’re making them a gas engine, I assume?
SPEAKER 11 :
Yeah, a gas engine, boosted. I guess they take boost really well. Interesting. I did not know that. They’re actually finding a resurgence because they’re really strong blocks. They’re really high nickel blocks, so they can really take a pounding.
SPEAKER 04 :
I did not know that.
SPEAKER 11 :
Yeah. I watched a video on it the other day, and I was like, well, there you go.
SPEAKER 04 :
I was not aware of that. Honestly, I did not know that.
SPEAKER 11 :
So I have a quick question. I have a 47 CJ 2A.
SPEAKER 04 :
Oh, yeah. Okay. 47 2A? Yeah.
SPEAKER 11 :
Yeah. And so I bought it where the engine and transmission and the differentials were all gone through in the transfer case. Basically, it’s now done from the frame down.
SPEAKER 04 :
Okay.
SPEAKER 11 :
It needs to body up, done. And I’m kind of thinking about sending it down the road. And I’m trying to figure out, I don’t know where the market is, where something like that would sit.
SPEAKER 04 :
And, by the way, a simple phone call to Burke at BP Auto Appraisals, Russ, he could tell you where that’s, A, what the market’s doing now, what the market’s going to do, and is that vehicle worth finishing out, and if so, how? He can tell you all of that.
SPEAKER 08 :
Okay.
SPEAKER 04 :
Because honestly, I don’t know. I mean, some of those, it really depends upon how well they’re restored and like anything else, you know, where’s the buyer at? I have not seen any of those go for a ton of money. What I mean by that is I’m not seeing any of those go, you know, $25,000, $30,000, $40,000. They’re not bringing that much money.
SPEAKER 11 :
Well, yeah, that’s where I’m at is I’m just trying to figure out where I would sit in the market with basically because the floor on the tub is just shot. Got you.
SPEAKER 04 :
um but everything else is there i mean i’m looking online even right now i mean most of those are somewhere from what i’m looking at eight to fifteen thousand somewhere in that neighborhood russ is kind of where they’re at right now i mean some of the here’s a 46 2a all restored looks like a military vehicle 25 grand right and i mean it’s yeah i’m looking at the pictures it’s perfect yeah otherwise a regular standard 2a is anywhere from eight to ten grand roughly
SPEAKER 11 :
Oh, okay.
SPEAKER 04 :
Meaning if you’re even going to paint it, you don’t have to get super fancy. You could literally sand it, make it as smooth as you possibly could, and I think even take some of the Krylon in a can that’s, you know, the tall cans. I’ve seen guys actually do paint jobs with this and clear coat the top and, believe it or not, come out pretty decent for that vehicle. Because, believe it or not, as you know, the paint in those days wasn’t that good anyways.
SPEAKER 11 :
Yeah, no. No, I just – yeah. Okay.
SPEAKER 04 :
But you got all the – because that’s got a flathead in it, so you’ve done all that. I assume it’s got a T90 with an 18 transfer case and so on. It’s over.
SPEAKER 11 :
Yeah. Yeah, and it’s all been – the guy I bought it from – and I paid too much for it, but it was one of those deals where it was a friend of a family member that was elderly and really needed some cash, so I overpaid for it to start with.
SPEAKER 04 :
What do you have in it?
SPEAKER 11 :
But – I’m in at about six. Okay.
SPEAKER 04 :
Well, I mean, I don’t think you’d have problems getting your money back out of it. Are you going to make a killing on it? No.
SPEAKER 11 :
No, that’s what I was kind of hoping. Maybe I could see my money back out of it.
SPEAKER 04 :
I think you’d get your money back out of it. I don’t think I would. Well, I wouldn’t put any more money into it because you’re definitely, it doesn’t matter what the condition of the body and all that is, I don’t think you’re going to get any more money out of it.
SPEAKER 11 :
Yeah. Yeah, that’s kind of where I figured it out.
SPEAKER 04 :
Does it have an overdrive winch, anything else on it?
SPEAKER 11 :
No, no, it’s just a plain Jane, a little GP. Okay. But it’s, yeah, the Go Devil. So the guy I bought it from was a machinist.
SPEAKER 04 :
Okay.
SPEAKER 11 :
And so he redid all of that in the 80s, and then he had a stroke and went blind. And so he never was able to do anything else with it. Okay. So, and that was the thing is I, I mean, at the time, because I’ve had it for 10 years, so at the time I overpaid for it, but maybe I got lucky and the market caught up.
SPEAKER 04 :
Well, no, I think it has. Again, I don’t think you’d have any problem, Russ. You can put that thing on Marketplace and get your money back out of it pretty easily. I don’t think that’s an issue at all. I wouldn’t put any more into it because you’re definitely not going to get it out by putting any more into it. Would that thing bring your money back or even make a grand or two? I mean, I think I’d start at eight and just see what happens. You’re not going to hurt anything by doing it. You’ll know by the responses whether you’re high or low.
SPEAKER 11 :
Yeah, well, that’s true. I mean, if you’re high, nobody will.
SPEAKER 04 :
If you’re high, you’re not going to get a response. If you’re low, they’re going to buy it tomorrow.
SPEAKER 11 :
Right.
SPEAKER 04 :
For those of you listening, when it comes to Marketplace, that’s kind of the rule of thumb. You start a little high, kind of see what your responses are like. If you’re not getting any response, that means you’re way high, and then start adjusting down. Once you start getting some responses, you kind of know you’re getting in the right ballpark. And if you’re way cheap, it’ll sell tomorrow.
SPEAKER 14 :
Yeah.
SPEAKER 04 :
Seriously.
SPEAKER 14 :
I’ve experienced that.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah, I mean, seriously. I’m not joking. My wife and I, we sell stuff all the time, and that is exactly how it works, Russ.
SPEAKER 11 :
Yeah, I’ve definitely misread the market and put stuff too cheap before.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah, and sometimes it just happens. But at the end of the day, if you sell it and it goes to the right hands, who cares? And it’s not in your backyard anymore. Right. I mean, here’s a guy that’s got a 46 2A, wants $28,000 for it. It’s done way too nicely. I mean, the paint’s shiny, which they never were back in those days, by the way. He’s got some aftermarket things he’s done with axles and different things and so on. But here’s the reality. It’s never going to sell for that. It’s got a V6 in it as well, but it’s never going to sell for that.
SPEAKER 11 :
Yeah, this one’s probably got the Buick V6 in it.
SPEAKER 04 :
That’s what everybody did back then, so that was pretty common for those to be that way. Actually, this guy put a 4.3 in it, so he even went more modern. He put a 4.3, put a shed in it. But again, even at that, even with the modernization he’s done, it’s not going to bring $28,000.
SPEAKER 11 :
Well, that’s kind of okay. Well, that makes me feel better because I was into it for $6,000. That was 10 years ago. I think you’ll get your money back.
SPEAKER 04 :
I mean, you’re not getting it all back because there’s inflation in that, but you know what I mean.
SPEAKER 11 :
Yeah, and I mean, I got transportation and everything. I did with it, too, but that’s fine. I don’t know. I’m just putting kids through college, and I’m just not sure if I’m ever going to get back to it.
SPEAKER 04 :
I understand.
SPEAKER 11 :
I got two other projects that are still getting burned down.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah, I hear you. I understand. I understand.
SPEAKER 11 :
Got to start making some decisions if I’m actually going to do it or not.
SPEAKER 04 :
I hear you.
SPEAKER 11 :
I just had the… Hey, Dad, you need to start cleaning crap up.
SPEAKER 04 :
There you go.
SPEAKER 11 :
We’re going to have to do it.
SPEAKER 04 :
There you go. Yeah. Russ, always a joy, man. Appreciate you. Let me know what you do. I appreciate you. Okay, man. Appreciate you very much. Jeff, John, you guys hang tight. We’ll come right back. Drive Radio KLZ 560.
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And we are back. Drive Radio, KLZ 560. Jeff in Montana. You’re next. Go ahead, sir.
SPEAKER 08 :
Hey, good morning again. No, you’re fine.
SPEAKER 04 :
Good morning.
SPEAKER 08 :
The vehicle, to start off with, the vehicle that you mentioned, that I asked the question about, I’ve always thought that Chevy missed the mark. They could have put out a 50th anniversary edition of the 57 Chevy or the original Stingray.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah.
SPEAKER 08 :
And even nowadays, I think if you put either one of those as an EV, I mean, they would get snapped up.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah, potentially, although I hate to say this, the way Dodge ended up doing the charger that they got rid of, and then they made it an EV that looked more like the Challenger, and, man, it flopped. It did not do anything. They lost their tail on that one.
SPEAKER 08 :
Yeah, but I think the difference might be that they didn’t have any history with that particular design.
SPEAKER 04 :
No, that’s true. And they took something that people already enjoyed and screwed it up.
SPEAKER 08 :
Right. Yeah, they took something that was just what the market wanted and said, oh, we can make it even better. But I think a 57 Chevy, the original styling, or as close as possible with modern improvements, I think that would be – That would be tremendous. And then the Stingray, I think that would go good as well because that design, you don’t really see anything like that out here nowadays. I think it would hit both us old farts and the younger generation, too, if they could own something that was like that. Everybody wants to be… Steve McQueen and James Dean, you know. Right. And you were talking about the scout. A friend of mine in high school had an old scout, and that was a death trap.
SPEAKER 14 :
Yep.
SPEAKER 08 :
I mean, you could take the top off, you could put the windshield down, you could take the doors off, and all you had was a flat plane that you were sitting straight up in. And if you ever flipped or did anything with that, I don’t even think it had lap belts. So if it flipped, you were a gunner. You were going to get crushed or thrown. If you were in an accident, God knows what would happen to you. But it was fun to drive.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah.
SPEAKER 08 :
And the original Jeeps you were talking about, too, I think when they came in that crate, I remember the word cosmoling. It stuck with me that they were all packed in cosmoline so nothing would get oxidized or rusted. So I wonder what cosmoline would look like 70 years later.
SPEAKER 04 :
Well, to my knowledge in… I don’t know about the 70-year mark, but I remember even when I had my stores and had a lot of old Jeep parts and would buy new old stock that was in Cosmoline and so on, the stuff, I mean, yeah, unless you get that stuff off, diesel fuel, by the way, is one of the best ways to get the Cosmoline off. Unless you do that, Jeff, I don’t think the stuff goes anywhere. i mean that stuff is like and it gets sticks oh it is the nastiest stuff and of course they did that so the rust and you know the moisture wouldn’t get in rust wouldn’t happen and so on and i’m here to tell you you cannot get that stuff off and they in a lot of the parts and stuff they’d wrap in a wax paper on top of the cosmoline and i mean tell you what you’re not getting to it at all that stuff was nasty yeah
SPEAKER 08 :
It’s kind of like the joke about the Christmas pony. You know it’s in there somewhere, but you’ve got to figure it out.
SPEAKER 04 :
I mean, I love those parts because new old stock and all that, but the reality is you spend as much time in some cases cleaning the part as you did putting it on, and I’m not exaggerating.
SPEAKER 08 :
Maybe more.
SPEAKER 04 :
Sometimes more. No, yeah, you’re exactly right. Sometimes more. Crazy.
SPEAKER 08 :
A quick question for you, too, on the Jeeps. I know it started off CJ, and then there was a YJ and a TJ, and I always heard those were for, you know, the original Jeep was a CJ, and then the YJ was the yuppie Jeep. and the TJ was the tough G. Was that just kind of folklore, or were those the actual designations, and have they continued that naming convention?
SPEAKER 04 :
Yes, they keep going with that, and as time has gotten, as we’ve gotten further down the road, yes, they have gotten much better, and the YJs were probably some of their, they thought was going to be a better design, but really at the end of the day, they weren’t. Uh, the CJs were in, in a lot of cases, in some cases better, in some cases worse. And again, I worked on a lot of those back in the day. So there’s arguments both ways as to, you know, which is better, which is worse. The four liter engine started to get better, uh, in the YJs as opposed and then definitely got way better when, when they went even, you know, further, you know, the TJs and so on. um and then eventually got away from that and then they screwed it up went to the pentastar but anyway long story short yes typically speaking with every change they got better although the square the square headlight which every all the purists hated that’s why they hated the yjs because they had square headlights and cjs are supposed to have you know jeeps are supposed to have round headlights
SPEAKER 08 :
Yeah. So what are we up to now? Are we still on TJ?
SPEAKER 04 :
No, they’re J… Don’t quote me because I don’t know this. I should know off the top of my head, but they’ve changed so often. I think… Are they JKs now? Or JLs? I think they’re JLs now.
SPEAKER 08 :
Oh. That shows you how long I’ve been out of the… That…
SPEAKER 04 :
area so i think and against those of you that are jeep experts you would know this better than i but i believe they’re i think they’re i think they’re jls now again somebody could probably text me and tell me but i think that’s right yeah i remember all those old jeeps and cosmoline and crates and comic book uh
SPEAKER 08 :
As well, they had ads in comic books for some reason to buy those things.
SPEAKER 04 :
And I am correct. The JLs, which are currently present, so I was right on that, 2018 to present are called JLs.
SPEAKER 08 :
Okay.
SPEAKER 04 :
So I was correct.
SPEAKER 08 :
All right.
SPEAKER 04 :
Okay.
SPEAKER 08 :
Well, thanks for the walk-on memory.
SPEAKER 04 :
No, thank you very much. I appreciate it. Really quick, the JKs were 2007 to 2018s. The TJs were 97 to 2006. The YJs, as Jeff was saying, was 87 to 95. And then, of course, the CJs were from 45 to 86. We’ll be back here in a moment. Third hour, Drive Radio coming up. Myself, Steve Horvath. This is Drive Radio, KLZ 560.
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