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Listeners call in with unique car troubles, including a mysteriously behaving transmission in a Ram Power Wagon. We also reminisce about iconic vehicles, like the Chevy S10, discussing its initial pitfalls and eventual redemption. With expert advice flying in from all angles, along with our esteemed guests, we tackle the notion that not all brands are created equal, and sometimes, a vehicle simply stands the test of time through perfect engineering harmony.
SPEAKER 22 :
Being an expert on general automotive knowledge, what would the correct ignition timing be on a 1955 Bel Air Chevrolet with a 327 cubic inch engine and a four barrel carburetor?
SPEAKER 20 :
It is a trick question. Watch this. Because Chevy didn’t make a 327 in 55. The 327 didn’t come out until 62. And it wasn’t offered in the Bel Air with a four-barrel carb until 64. However, in 1964, the correct ignition timing would be four degrees before top dead center.
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Get ready for another hour of Drive Radio, brought to you by Colorado Select Auto Care Centers. Got a question for the experts? Then give them a call, 303-477-5600. Now it’s time to pop the hood and get our hands dirty. Drive Radio on KLZ 560 The Source.
SPEAKER 06 :
All right, we are back. Drive Radio, KLZ 560. Myself, Steve Horvath, Geno’s Auto Service over in Littleton, of course, and Larry Unger answering phones, Charlie Grimes, our engineer. Lines are open. 303-477-5600 is our number. Give us a call. We’ll get you right on air. And I could not look at the rest of that video from that particular Bronco incident to tell you whether the airbags went off or not, so I’m sorry. I said she had got an airbag alert, but as I read through the article, it was more coolant and other issues and so on that actually alerted her. Regardless, whether the airbags went off or not, I’m still not owning that vehicle when it’s done.
SPEAKER 09 :
I just wanted to know where it was in the repair process. Yeah. You know, was it? You know, is it just on a test drive? Somebody out tooling around. You never know. And that’s where I’d, yeah, I’m with Steve. I’d want to know more. And, you know, the thing that’s nice about the modern cars now, now we can know these things through our apps and stuff, which is a good thing. It keeps people from doing those. We all heard stories of horror stories of people driving. Well, the Ferris Bueller’s Day Off with the Ferrari.
SPEAKER 06 :
You would think that the dealers also themselves, the workers in a dealership even, would understand some of that and know that there is records of those things going on and so on. All right, the other question that came in. Is there any new vehicles that don’t have any issues? Our new 4Runner had to go in for a software update because it had a rough idle, and they also found a coolant leak at the same time. No, there are no new vehicles without issues. And frankly, there never has been. I think there’s been some misconceptions out there that certain brands, quote-unquote, are better than others. And what I will tell you is I think there are certain vehicles that, inside of every brand that are better put together. And this is hard for me to describe. But certain vehicles just work. I don’t know how to say that. They’re just put together well. They were well thought out. They were engineered well. It’s not first year, typically, because that’s another thing you have to be really careful of is a first year, first model year. Typically, they’re going to have a few more bugs to work out, especially if there’s a major change. If it’s a little body refresh… Okay, that’s one thing. But if it’s a complete major change, like, for example, when the Bronco, the full-size Bronco came out. Okay, yeah, that was one where, yeah, I wouldn’t have done first year. And they had lots of problems in that first year, all sorts. I don’t even get all the details from roofs and lots of things they had to deal with during that first year. I wouldn’t have bought one in the first year because of that. But my point is some vehicles just get put together really well because of just everything came together correctly when they designed it. And again, folks, it’s like the vehicle that gets wrecked and keeps getting wrecked. Why does that happen? I don’t know. What makes one vehicle better than another and how all of that’s done on the front side? I don’t know. These are things I can’t answer other than I guess if I really studied it and I really looked at a really good, solid vehicle and the fact that it just works really, really well, what went into all of that and the design and everything to make that that way versus one That doesn’t – I guess if you looked at it hard enough, you could probably start writing some things out as to what makes one different than the other. But in some cases, the vehicle just works.
SPEAKER 09 :
I think also sourcing of the parts. What parts are they putting on? Are they putting a pretty decent quality part? Good point. Are they sourcing something that’s not very good, that’s going to fail sooner than –
SPEAKER 06 :
Great point. Great point. And those of you listening, you have driven vehicles where everything is just right or was just right. You just get in the car, and you’re just like, you know, everything in this thing just works, works well. And it drives well, and it functions well, and you can see out of it, and, and, and, and, and. And you just go down the list of the things that… that it does, where you’re just, in some cases, you’re a little bit amazed at how well things work. On the other hand, you can get to another vehicle where you can look at it and say, oh, this thing is just, this thing’s a piece of junk. Somebody just texted in, by the way, a good friend of mine, the first two years of the Chevy S10, Were nightmares. Yeah, they were. It was crap. I was coming up into the line at that point in time. I was very young at that time. I got to think back when the S10 first came out. I don’t think I was more than 15, 16 years of age. I have to go back and look at the model year, but I think I was around 16, and I was actually, believe it or not, working on the line that summer. when they were out, and the first model year, because GM did something really stupid on the 2.8 liter V6. I mean, they’ve done a lot of stupid things over the years, but in this case, they did something really stupid. They put a rope rear main seal on top of a knurled sealed surface crankshaft. And if you know what I mean by that, you know what I mean. Knurled meaning there were grooves in the crankshaft, and they thought by grooving it, it would somehow make that rope seal seal up better, but it was a disaster. They all leaked. There was a huge recall on them. And the only way you could fix it was you pulled the engine, you put a new crankshaft in it, And the new crankshaft had a smooth surface, and then there was a kit where you put a one-piece seal back into the engine. You put a neoprene seal in versus the rope seal that was there, so you changed some things out to make that work correctly. There was a workaround that they had made after the fact, but the only way to fix that was you pulled the engine. Really had to pull the engine and replace the crankshaft. That’s right. Really? 81, 82 is what… Okay, so 81, I would have been 16. I wasn’t too far off. So when those came out, I was working on the line. I was 16. And literally, all I did all summer long, and I’m not exaggerating, I pulled engines, put cranks in, pulled engines, put cranks in. That’s all I did that entire summer. Every single S10, that was my job. They lined them up. We had literally that many of them that had been sold that had to come in for that warranty, you know, for the recall. And literally, all I did was run one in, run one out, run one in, run one out. And warranty time was like three hours. That’s probably why they had me doing it. I was family. I was just paid by the hour at that point in time. I wasn’t on flat rate or anything along those lines because, and to your point, Steve, the warranty, and I wasn’t making a lot of money on an hourly wage, so I was pretty cheap help at the time, and I’m sure that’s why I got dished out all of those crankshaft repairs on that particular vehicle, and I did learn finally there was a few cheats you could do to get the engine in and out faster without taking the front end out because that was one of those to where the front end was so tight. It was pretty tight. You couldn’t get the engine up and over the front axle, so the cheat was you raised the cab back in the day.
SPEAKER 09 :
And it hit that firewall and stuff.
SPEAKER 06 :
So what you did is you raised the cab, and in raising the cab, it gave you enough clearance to get the engine out, and you did all that without having to take, because it was easier to take four bolts for the cab loose and tip the cab up. It was easier to do that than it was to take the front axle out. It was faster.
SPEAKER 07 :
Sure.
SPEAKER 06 :
I learned all the cheats to get that thing in and out much faster to get that thing in and done. Because even though I wasn’t on flat rate, I mean, you’re still on a time crunch. You had X amount more to keep doing. So you had that one to do, and then there was another one lined up outside already to come in after that one was done. Wow. And you just kept doing it. And, yes, thank you, by the way, for that reminder. They were a piece of junk. Sorry, they just were. Now, after that, they weren’t too bad. They were pretty robust. They had no power. Literally, they were worthless. They virtually had no power. In fact, you could go buy a Jeep Cherokee. that had the same engine, and the Cherokee had more power or seemed to have more power, and let me explain, than the S10 and S15s did. And the reason why they felt that way was because the Cherokees were unibody. The Jimmys, you know, the S10 Jimmys, or sorry, S15 Jimmys and the S10 Blazers, as far as comparing apples to apples, they were much heavier because they were body on frame. Okay. The Cherokees were unibodies, making them a little lighter, so they seemed to run better. Even though it was the exact same engine, horsepower, and everything, they seemed to run better because, at the end of the day, they were lighter. You weren’t hauling as much weight around when it was all said and done. Jerry and Greeley, you’re next.
SPEAKER 23 :
I wanted to ask about recalls. You were talking about, I guess, a full-blown recall, but I’ve heard and been told that sometimes the manufacturers, they’ll try to— They’ll try to get away without doing a full recall.
SPEAKER 06 :
Absolutely. They push that back, Jerry, as much as they possibly can, in a lot of cases, until they’re literally, governmentally speaking, forced to.
SPEAKER 23 :
Well, and I’ve been told that sometimes they’ll call them customer satisfaction campaigns or something like that, and they’ll tell the dealers, okay, if somebody comes in and they’re naive enough to pay for this flaw out of pocket, then let them do it. But if they really push and yell or know something about it, then we’ll pay X amount that they’re just pretty sleazy about it if they can get away with it sometimes.
SPEAKER 09 :
And on the technician side, they make more money off of you paying than they do if the manufacturer pays. The manufacturer is only going to pay at a certain rate, a certain amount of hours, where you pay full boat, where you’re going to pay what the job really takes to do.
SPEAKER 23 :
Well, is there a reference source or, you know, aside from like trying to dig through hundreds of technical service bulletins, is there a way for, let’s say, a potential buyer, somebody who’s looking at a certain vehicle, to try to find out about that sort of a history or, you know, be informed that they might be getting a boatload of trouble?
SPEAKER 09 :
Well, the first one is that NASTEF, where you can go to and put in your make, model, bin numbers the best way, and it’ll show any open recalls, those kind of things. What’s coming up? I don’t know, Jerry. You know, if you have a subscription to all data, you can go to TSB and maybe refine it by maybe engine or noises or those kind of things. But TSB still is a decent way to get what you need, but it’s not.
SPEAKER 06 :
Usually, Jerry, what you’re talking about gets released. sometimes anonymously to the press and things like that, and when they do, we typically talk about them here. But otherwise, I’ll be honest, you’ve got to have somebody on the inside telling you what’s going on in the company to give you some of that info because it is not publicly known.
SPEAKER 23 :
Okay.
SPEAKER 06 :
At all. As you can imagine why, on purpose, because those recalls are costly. Oh, can you imagine? Billions in some cases.
SPEAKER 09 :
I mean, how many S-10s did you do? You did.
SPEAKER 06 :
You did plus all over the country. A ton. A ton. I mean, some of the recalls of late with Ford has really drugged down their net profit, Jerry, as you know. I mean, that and some of the EV stuff they did. But some of the recalls alone have really cut into their profits.
SPEAKER 09 :
It is to their advantage not to put a car out that doesn’t. But Ford always seemed to be an issue where they put things out a little too quickly. Of late, that’s for sure. I always felt like that to me, but maybe I’m biased, but.
SPEAKER 06 :
And really quick, I just looked it up. So this was a year ago, July 25th, 2024. The automaker reported its second quarter financial results and revealed that the recall and warranty costs hit $2.3 billion. So that would have been the beginning of 2024. They incurred $2.3 billion just in those first three months.
SPEAKER 09 :
That’s a lot of fiction. Well, you know, Kia had a recall for their engines where they were literally pulling the engines, replacing the – I think the head bolts or the head bolts were pulling out of the block or something. And so every Kia was – every one of these Kias with a certain engine was being pulled and heads pulled off. Yep.
SPEAKER 06 :
So that was their second quarter last year. Jerry, they were losing at that point in time. They’ve turned it around, of course, but at that time they were losing $25 million a day.
SPEAKER 23 :
Wow. Yeah, a friend of mine had a problem with Kia recently where – As he told me, he said there was a recall for certain years’ models, and that his vehicle was in a gap where it wasn’t covered in between a couple of these. But they went ahead and did it anyway as a customer goodwill thing, so he was really happy about that. Mm-hmm. All right.
SPEAKER 06 :
Well, I just wondered if – I wish I had a better answer, but I don’t – I mean, even us being kind of on the inside of all of this, Jerry, we’re not privy to anything. In other words, we have no idea other than what you read and what everybody else reads as to when a potential recall might even be hitting. We can kind of see what, as Steve was saying, TSBs and things along those lines, but we have no idea.
SPEAKER 09 :
I suppose some of the forums help a little bit, too, but their information doesn’t come out any quicker than – And some of their stuff is arbitrary. And let’s say there’s somebody on the inside just doing the forum. Right. That’s probably dangerous for their job. Correct.
SPEAKER 23 :
All right. Well, thank you very much.
SPEAKER 06 :
You bet, Jerry. No, appreciate you very much. Thank you. Great question, by the way. Ray in Windsor, hang tight. We’ll come right back to you in a moment. Don’t go anywhere. Drive Radio KLZ 560.
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SPEAKER 06 :
All right, we are back. Drive Radio, KLZ 560. Ray and Windsor, go ahead. Good morning. Good morning.
SPEAKER 15 :
First-time caller.
SPEAKER 06 :
Well, thank you for calling. We appreciate it very much.
SPEAKER 15 :
Actually, first-time listener.
SPEAKER 06 :
Thank you for that also.
SPEAKER 15 :
Driving up the interstate, going through the radio channels, and here I am.
SPEAKER 06 :
Well, keep listening. We have an app where even if you’re not in the area, you can keep listening.
SPEAKER 15 :
Cool. Well, I’ve got one for you.
SPEAKER 06 :
Let’s hear it.
SPEAKER 15 :
If you can solve this, you’ll be the first. Okay. 2015 three-quarter ton Ram Power Wagon.
SPEAKER 07 :
Okay.
SPEAKER 15 :
I’m sitting in it, 116,000 miles. Okay. 18,000 miles ago, I had a tranny put in it. Okay. And works great. All but I can pull my 8,500 pound camper all over the mountains. No problem. I can get in it in the morning, start it up within two or three seconds, put it in drive and take off. I can drive it 15, 20 minutes downtown, go into the store, come back out, start it back up, put it in drive. Takes right off within seconds. Okay. If I drive 45 minutes to an hour, go into a store, say, 20 minutes, come out, start it up, put it in drive, it don’t want to move. I put it back in gear, wait 20 seconds, takes right off.
SPEAKER 06 :
Now, really quick, when you say it doesn’t move, does it feel like it’s actually gone into gear, and can you feel resistance against the engine, or is it just free spinning?
SPEAKER 15 :
It’s almost like it’s in neutral. If I was on a hill, like at a stoplight or something, pretty good hill. Well, not that I would start it up at that point, but if I was in a parking lot or something, I don’t know how to explain it. If I had a trailer hooked up to me and I put it in drive, it’s just going to sit there.
SPEAKER 06 :
Okay, okay, makes sense.
SPEAKER 15 :
But only when it’s really hot. Other than that, it works fantastic.
SPEAKER 06 :
Why was the last one replaced?
SPEAKER 15 :
Oh, I was pulling my camper up to one of our high mountain towns, and it just puked. Okay. It had to be towed.
SPEAKER 06 :
Okay, so it just quit. How long has this problem been here?
SPEAKER 15 :
Almost since the training was put in, I took it back to the installer. They tried to duplicate it. They couldn’t. I’ve taken it to Amco. And the thing is, you can’t duplicate it just being at the shop.
SPEAKER 06 :
Right. You’ve got to drive it.
SPEAKER 15 :
You’ve got to not just drive it. You’ve got to drive it.
SPEAKER 06 :
Right.
SPEAKER 15 :
Go in somewhere for 20 minutes, come out. And nobody has the time to do that.
SPEAKER 06 :
Right.
SPEAKER 15 :
It’s fine. It doesn’t bother me. I’m used to it.
SPEAKER 06 :
Yeah, but there’s a problem there. As you know, it shouldn’t do that. And I own a bunch of those trucks in my fleet. No, it should not do that. There’s definitely a problem of some kind there.
SPEAKER 23 :
I don’t know if it’s a torque converter.
SPEAKER 06 :
Well, my next question was going to be, what transmission did they put back in it, or do you know?
SPEAKER 15 :
I know it cost me $9,000. Other than that, I can’t tell you.
SPEAKER 06 :
So we don’t know the brand or anything along those lines.
SPEAKER 09 :
No, I don’t. It was a new one, and obviously, or was it remanufactured? Did they rebuild the transmission or replace the transmission?
SPEAKER 15 :
They replaced it.
SPEAKER 09 :
Okay.
SPEAKER 15 :
AMCO looked at it, but here again, they pulled it into the shop. They take it down the road and back, and you just can’t duplicate it.
SPEAKER 06 :
I think for me personally, and I’m more than willing to help you with this, Ray, is you can either text me or send me an email on the original invoice. I’d like to know what transmission they actually put in it, what brand, let’s say. In other words, did it come out of Ram? Did they get a Jasper? What transmission did they actually use? My gut feeling is it’s either got a converter issue or an internal seal that is leaking, that is bypassing, and then as you’re moving the selector back and forth, it finally decides, okay, I’m going to go ahead and engage, and then off I go. My gut feeling, it’s in one of those two places.
SPEAKER 15 :
Sure, sure. You don’t have time, but I’m just looking at my invoices real quick.
SPEAKER 06 :
No, we’re fine. We got some time. Take your time. We’re good.
SPEAKER 09 :
Obviously, you’re not getting any trouble codes.
SPEAKER 06 :
Yeah, great question, Steve.
SPEAKER 15 :
Any check engine light or anything on, Ray? No. The thing runs great.
SPEAKER 07 :
Okay.
SPEAKER 15 :
You know, it’s just I’ve gotten used to, and it’s embarrassing, if you don’t wait. I went to somebody’s house one day. and was in there for, you know, 45 minutes, came out. They followed me out. I got in the truck to take off, and I had to rev it up like 4,000 RPM. And this is when I was first learning. I didn’t know what was going on. It was freaking embarrassing that this thing was just sound like a, you know, it’s just. I don’t have the invoice in my truck.
SPEAKER 06 :
That’s okay. The other thing I’m looking at where I’m going with this is I want to know the transmission. I want to know who did it. And the reason for that is I want to know also what solenoid changes would they have potentially made or not made because that could be the other issue that we’ve got is we’ve got a faulty solenoid that’s not operating like it should at certain times only. I mean, I would almost, if it were me, and I guess next question is, what was the warranty on that, or do you remember?
SPEAKER 15 :
It’s done. It was like two years and whatever the miles was. I don’t drive it enough to hit the miles, but I hit the two years.
SPEAKER 06 :
You hit the time first.
SPEAKER 15 :
Yeah.
SPEAKER 06 :
Got it. I think if it were me personally, Ray, I would have the, if it were mine, I would change the solenoids out. I’d buy new, you know, new solenoids from Ram and I would change every solenoid on it out and see what that does.
SPEAKER 15 :
How involved is that?
SPEAKER 06 :
They’re in the valve body, so somebody’s going to have to pull it down. You can do it in the truck. It doesn’t have the transmission removed, but you can do it in chassis. Or do you replace the whole valve body?
SPEAKER 15 :
It doesn’t bother me enough to do it.
SPEAKER 06 :
I’m sure. Well, then that’s up to you at that point. I think it’ll get worse, personally.
SPEAKER 15 :
Well, I’ve been waiting for it to get worse, and it hasn’t. It stays the same.
SPEAKER 06 :
Interesting.
SPEAKER 15 :
And I’m only concerned when I do get rid of the truck someday.
SPEAKER 06 :
Mm-hmm.
SPEAKER 15 :
You know?
SPEAKER 06 :
Right.
SPEAKER 15 :
I don’t want to get somebody.
SPEAKER 06 :
You don’t want the next guy to have that problem.
SPEAKER 15 :
No, and I don’t want to screw him either, so.
SPEAKER 06 :
Correct. Correct. Well, A, thank you for being honest. Most people aren’t that honest, and they just ship that thing on down the road. You can buy a complete valve body for it as well. They’re not cheap, $1,500 or so if you do a complete valve body.
SPEAKER 24 :
Yeah.
SPEAKER 1 :
Okay.
SPEAKER 06 :
All right. Well, thank you for your time. No, Ray, I appreciate it. And that’s one where, unfortunately, and here’s the other thing. Somebody could even be sitting in that, even have a scan tool and everything on it when it acts up, which, by the way, is about the only way you’re going to find what’s going on, and still maybe not know what the exact solution is. I hate to say this is going to be more of a trial and error. And the only thing I could help you with is if you send me who actually did the transmission, I can typically tell you by who it was, whether they put new solenoid packs in it, new valve body, or did they rebuild the old. I can pretty much tell you by who did it.
SPEAKER 15 :
And I can actually go to the dealership and have them look it up, too, and print it out.
SPEAKER 06 :
Yes, there you go.
SPEAKER 15 :
If I can’t find it here at home.
SPEAKER 06 :
Okay, perfect.
SPEAKER 15 :
They should, of course, they should still have that on our record.
SPEAKER 06 :
Yeah, they will. They will. Absolutely. Yeah, and you can email me that stuff. I’m more than happy to help you.
SPEAKER 15 :
Okay.
SPEAKER 06 :
Okay.
SPEAKER 15 :
Fantastic.
SPEAKER 06 :
All right. Ray, I appreciate it very much. And my email, by the way, rayjohn at drive-radio.com, drive-radio.com. And we are back, Rush to Reason, Denver’s Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560, the time of the week where we combine it and drive radio together. We’ve got some car reviews to do. Richard, you have recently driven a 2025 Mazda CX-5 Turbo Signature.
SPEAKER 11 :
Yeah, so quite a mouthful, Dad, but all you need to know is this is Mazda’s best-selling vehicle, basically. This is sort of a compact crossover, kind of is that, I’m going to call it that mid-size SUV range, right? Sits up a little bit higher than a typical sedan, not quite as high as some of the truck-based, your body-on-frame SUVs out there, which is sort of a good compromise. You can get this vehicle from anywhere from the very entry-level trim for about just under $30,000, and by just under, I mean just under, or you can get it for, you know, above the car we drove, which was the Turbo Signature, for about $42,000. You can get an all-wheel drive, lots of different, you know, options for this vehicle it’s got a night a lot of nice plush features on the inside lots of room again for those car seat folks out there maybe there’s not a lot of you but for me it matters you’re able to fit boosters in the back a little bit hard pressed to get that rear-facing seat in there especially if you’ve got a taller passenger but not necessarily a huge deal you have the 2.5 s which does bring a turbocharged engine into the mix and we’ll get to those figures here in a second But the signature level comes with lots of things that you can imagine, but especially body color, exterior trim, LED and ambient interior lighting, navigation system, wood trim, driver attention warnings, rear automatic braking, all sorts of stuff that you, again, I guess a lot of folks would really like. There are two differences on the turbo, or I should say not two differences. They actually quote you power figures if you’re running on regular versus if you’re running on turbo. So if you’re running on regular fuel, you get about 256 horsepower. Oh, sorry, that’s on premium. If you go the regular fuel route, 227 horsepower. So you lose a little bit. Nothing that’s crazy. I will say up here at our altitude, Dad, it was really a joy to drive. This thing got up and went in traffic. It was really fun to operate. You didn’t have great turbo lag or anything like that that you can sometimes get. Overall, I was very impressed with this car. You can see why. Again, it’s Mazda’s, one of their top-selling cars. and they’ve sort of gone with these other models. I guess I’m going to call them the dual-digit ones, right? Like the CX-90 and some of those. Well, there’s a similar model to this, the CX-50. The CX-5, I think, was supposed to be sort of replaced, but they still keep selling the thing because they sell a lot of them. It’s a great car. Yeah, absolutely. I think that folks would be really impressed. So I encourage folks, head to your local Mazda dealer, test drive this. They really do, especially if you’re in that… three to four size family household, or maybe there’s only two of you, but you still want a little bit extra room. Dad, it had great cargo room, great cargo space in the back, which was really nice. I encourage folks to check that out. Hit your local Mazda dealer and let them know that John and Richard Rush from Drive Radio and Rush to Reason sent you.
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SPEAKER 06 :
All right, we are back. Drive Radio, KLZ 560. Appreciate you joining us, by the way. John and Cheyenne, you are next. Go ahead.
SPEAKER 12 :
Hey, John, how are you?
SPEAKER 06 :
Good, sir.
SPEAKER 12 :
How are you, Steve?
SPEAKER 09 :
Oh, good, good. How are you doing?
SPEAKER 12 :
All right, so we were up skiing a couple of days. We’re driving back. We stayed in Avon. Now, no, I’m not rich. We cross-country ski, which is dirt cheap. So before anybody thinks of paying $300 a day to ski in Vail, which is what the lift tickets in Vail and Beaver Creek are up to, which is huge. All right, so I’m leaving this morning. Vail Pass, it’s been snowing for a day and a half, and I’ve got to throw a shout-out to CDOT. They have really done a good job of keeping the road open and fairly clear. I mean, not a lot of snow on it, a little slush, and they kept it clear all the way over to copper. No problem. And then they kept the road from Silverthorne up to the tunnel pretty wide open. People need to learn how to drive, though, John.
SPEAKER 06 :
Yeah. Yeah, that’s a whole show in and of itself.
SPEAKER 12 :
Well, here’s my first one. Big sawing. No trucks in the left lane going over Vail Pass, 26,000 pounds, right? Where is the Colorado Highway Patrol when these trucks, which had to chain up in Vail, are just jumping out in front of you in the left lane because the guy in the right lane is going too slow for them?
SPEAKER 06 :
Right. John, I saw this morning coming here and everything down here, we had no weather, no nothing. Everything’s dry as a bone. And this is not an exaggeration. This was at Ward Road. because that’s where I get on I-70 at roughly is Ward Road. There was a guy coming down the mountain with his hazard still on that he was in the right lane doing about 30 miles an hour because he still had his chains on. Keep in mind, there’s about, I don’t know how many miles prior to that that he could have pulled over and pulled them off, and he’s still rolling through town with chains on. I really thought he was going to get off at Ward and go to the truck stop down below and maybe take chains off there, and he drove right on past her.
SPEAKER 12 :
So I’m just passing 254 heading down 70. Exit Genesee Park exit. And I just passed the guy in the middle lane driving, I don’t know, some kind of little white mini CUV or something. And he still had his flashers on in the middle lane. The other thing people really need to learn about on new cars. Now, I’m driving my 4Runner, 23 4Runner. I haven’t touched my brake pedal since I came out of the tunnel and set my cruise. The adaptive cruise control has sped me up, slowed me down, kept me where I wanted to be since I left the tunnel. Nice. And you know how far that is.
SPEAKER 06 :
Nice. That’s the way you do it.
SPEAKER 12 :
And I’m watching people in front of me, and they’re just laying into their brakes constantly, and I’m like, well… Steve at Geno’s will enjoy that because that’s another break job.
SPEAKER 06 :
Right, right.
SPEAKER 12 :
The bad thing is I might have just done that break job last week.
SPEAKER 06 :
Now they’re in there ruining it.
SPEAKER 12 :
Yeah, it’s like, but that’s the other thing. When we pulled into Silverthorne to use the restroom after we went over, it was slow going up at Bell Pass, 40, 45 miles an hour, which is fine. The road was open. And to get around… from Vail to get to Denver, if you can’t go over Vail Pass, you’re pretty much going over to Buena Vista and down.
SPEAKER 06 :
True.
SPEAKER 12 :
On 285. But two people had their hoods up and were messing with their washers while they were there. And I’m just laughing, and I’m saying, we talked about it the other day. If you’re going on a road trip, that’s one of the things you should make, you know? Or, I don’t know, one guy was messing with his, like… nozzles like they were clogged or something and I’m wondering if he had summer or stuff that freezes and now they were froze up could be that could be that they John people do goofy things they’ll top off with water or I’ve seen people do dish soap and things like that it’s like guys this isn’t going to work last pet peeve and I’ve noticed this two more real quick first thing that express lane coming out of the mountains just now that runs between like Georgetown and, uh, do you, that $9 to use nine bucks now.
SPEAKER 06 :
Wow.
SPEAKER 12 :
$9 that, and I, I didn’t need to use it. There was no real, that’s high. So, uh, but if, if it was bumper to bumper, I, I’ve got a toll tag, so I would have been in there. Trust me. The other thing is people that, You’re in the express lane, you know, the cold express lane, whether you’re on 25 or 70. Right. And you’re doing seven or eight over the limit, and they tailgate you so much that it’s scary. You know what I mean?
SPEAKER 08 :
Mm-hmm.
SPEAKER 12 :
And then you slide over at the first chance and get out of the lane, and they slow down.
SPEAKER 06 :
I know. I do it every day almost.
SPEAKER 12 :
They want you to go as fast as you can, and they’re going to tailgate you. But they don’t want to be the leader because they’re the one that doesn’t want to get pulled over.
SPEAKER 06 :
That’s right. You’re 100% correct. That’s exactly what they’re doing.
SPEAKER 12 :
John, you guys have a safe day.
SPEAKER 06 :
Hey, John, you too. Be safe coming on the rest of your way home. Appreciate you very much. Let’s get one more in before the break. Lucy, go ahead.
SPEAKER 05 :
Hello.
SPEAKER 06 :
Hello, Lucy.
SPEAKER 05 :
Hi, John.
SPEAKER 06 :
How are you?
SPEAKER 05 :
I’m doing well, thank you. Good.
SPEAKER 06 :
Good.
SPEAKER 05 :
I’m going back to answering my favorite cars. Awesome. 63 Chevy Impala, bright white exterior, that aqua interior with the bench seats.
SPEAKER 07 :
Yeah.
SPEAKER 05 :
My 65 Lincoln Continental with suicide doors.
SPEAKER 07 :
Oh, yeah. Okay. Yeah.
SPEAKER 05 :
MGB convertible with a split bumper. I drove it in the 70s. I don’t remember the year it was now.
SPEAKER 06 :
How much did you have to work on that one?
SPEAKER 05 :
I didn’t. My husband was able to do mechanical work.
SPEAKER 06 :
Good for him. Good for him.
SPEAKER 05 :
And then a 76 Saab. It did not have air conditioning, but it handled beautifully.
SPEAKER 06 :
I forgot about those. Wow. Wow.
SPEAKER 05 :
I know, right? Yeah. I had to drive it north to sell it because I was driving it in Texas and no one would buy it.
SPEAKER 09 :
No one would buy it there. Yep, I hear you. Yep. I remember when Aspen had all Saabs as their police cars. Oh, that’s right. I forgot about that, Steve. I remember that was the 90s.
SPEAKER 06 :
Oh, I forgot about that. Really quick, my biggest memory on the Saabs, Lucy, of that era was the key was always in a weird, you know, the ignition switch was always in a weird place.
SPEAKER 05 :
You know, I don’t recall.
SPEAKER 06 :
It was never where you thought it should be. It was always in some odd, you know, down the console or some weird place where it was like, why is this here?
SPEAKER 05 :
Well, it’s all what you get used to, right?
SPEAKER 06 :
That’s right. Absolutely.
SPEAKER 05 :
85 Chevy Blazer, great for off-road, but when I would go fast, and I lived in Summit County for quite a while, on I-70, the top would, it was kind of top-heavy, it would sway.
SPEAKER 06 :
They did. Used to do a lot of suspension work on those back in the day to try to keep that from happening. That’s a vehicle, by the way, right now that any of you listening, if you have one or have access to one, hang on to it. They are going up in value daily.
SPEAKER 02 :
Wow.
SPEAKER 06 :
Yes. Amazing. I would not have predicted that one, Lucy.
SPEAKER 05 :
Yeah, it was not my favorite vehicle.
SPEAKER 06 :
Yeah, I wouldn’t predict those being worth what they are today, but they are.
SPEAKER 05 :
And it was really boxy, I remember, which is great for cargo space.
SPEAKER 06 :
Yep. Yeah, they were not great. I’m not trying to be mean to them, but they weren’t great vehicles all around. They did fuel injection finally in 87, which made them a lot better. But those 84, 5s and 6s and such, they were not great vehicles.
SPEAKER 05 :
Yeah, it was not my favorite vehicle. The one I have now, which I purchased in 2002, is an RX300 that I bought new and took care of.
SPEAKER 06 :
Yep, good vehicle.
SPEAKER 05 :
I had… Ridgeline replaced the transmission, and I’m still driving it. It’s running smooth as silk with over 221,000 miles.
SPEAKER 06 :
What did you do with your Subaru?
SPEAKER 05 :
I sold it. I didn’t like it.
SPEAKER 06 :
Good for you. Okay, good.
SPEAKER 05 :
I sold it the day after I spoke to you.
SPEAKER 06 :
Okay, good. All right, good. Good, good.
SPEAKER 05 :
I got lucky. I didn’t like that stop-start feature when it came to a stop sign because I was used to gunning it to get through traffic, and that was annoying to me.
SPEAKER 06 :
I can imagine. It’s annoying overall. It can be. Absolutely.
SPEAKER 05 :
And it did not. I checked my gas mileage. I log all my gas mileage. And it was not that great on gas mileage at all. No, it doesn’t change. They say it’s 28. It was more like 21.
SPEAKER 06 :
They don’t do much at the end of the day. I’m sorry. That start-stop thing is, in my opinion, worthless.
SPEAKER 05 :
Agreed.
SPEAKER 06 :
So…
SPEAKER 05 :
Well, that’s all I have today. Lucy, it’s always a joy to talk to you.
SPEAKER 06 :
Thank you very, very much.
SPEAKER 05 :
That’s another conversation. You’re welcome, John. Have a good one.
SPEAKER 06 :
Appreciate you, Lucy. Take care. All right, Bill, John, you guys hang tight. We’ll come right back. Drive Radio, KLZ 560.
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SPEAKER 14 :
98 Camry, a four-cylinder engine, has about 140,000 on it now. But last early September or so, I guess, it was getting a big exhaust leak where they got this flex joint. It’s kind of like braided stainless steel. I think you’ve seen them. And it was coming apart, and it was leaking, but there was no check engine code. But I bought a new exhaust pipe, but when you buy that, it comes with the catalytic converter. It’s molded in there. And so I put that on. and we’re doing fine. I drove it probably 3,000 miles or more. Now, I don’t know if this had anything to do with it, but it was running cold on temperature, so I put a new thermostat in it, and now it’s right in the center, halfway between cold and hot. And anyhow, we were driving maybe a week or two later, and I got this check engine code. Check engine. Light. Come on. And I did the code reader, and it says it’s a P0420, which says catalyst system efficiency below threshold bank one. And so that’s, I cleared the code thinking that maybe it was a fluke and it stayed out for maybe another week or two and then it came back on. So I just wonder what.
SPEAKER 09 :
So where did you purchase a catalytic converter from?
SPEAKER 14 :
It was on eBay.
SPEAKER 09 :
eBay, okay.
SPEAKER 14 :
But we drove. We drove like 3,000 miles or more with it, and it was fine.
SPEAKER 09 :
Yeah, I would believe what I think is they bought one that didn’t quite have all the materials in it that it should, and so they’ve degraded it a little bit over time. And so it’s not doing the job it was designed for, so that’s why the computer’s censoring that. So I think you’ve got kind of a cat that wasn’t built right, to be honest with you. Some of those on eBay are quote-unquote counterfeit. Yeah. And you’re required to put a lot of special palladiums and different all these materials. If it was cheap, I can already tell you the problem.
SPEAKER 14 :
Well, it was only $80 for the whole thing.
SPEAKER 09 :
That’s your problem. You got what you paid for. That’s the problem. It’s not leaking anymore, though, right? There’s that. You got to check engine light, though.
SPEAKER 14 :
Well, I guess because it was doing just fine. We drove it to Chicago and back and back.
SPEAKER 09 :
drove it all over since then you know there was probably just enough of that material in there to to work for a while and then it’s it’s now flaked off and been out the tailpipe yep it’s well maybe i could weld the old cat back on it oh yeah it’s better than the one you got on now there absolutely i would say so you don’t think it’s maybe oh two cents or downstream as bad it’s No, because it’s telling you what it’s doing, which means it’s good. Yeah, so the O2 sensor is working because it’s saying it’s bad. If it didn’t say anything, then it might be an issue. Right. Or a heater circuit or something. It’s telling you what’s going on. Yeah. Ah.
SPEAKER 14 :
Yeah, unfortunately. I probably need to change. I guess they make a spacer or something you can screw in and then put the O2 sensor and it raises it up out of the stream and it then it won’t read that code. I don’t know.
SPEAKER 09 :
I don’t know if it would work on that. Even at best, it might work on the front, but I think it’s more a gimmick. Yeah, I’ve never tried one of those bills. I’ve heard it, but I’ve never seen it. I’ve seen it on magazines too, but obviously it’s illegal.
SPEAKER 06 :
Typically, 98 may not show – it may work on a 98. The newer ones, I can tell you right now, wouldn’t work because it would just show lack of flow. It wouldn’t even – it wouldn’t work on that, I can tell you that. 98 maybe, but hard to say.
SPEAKER 14 :
Okay. I know my – I don’t think my Ranger, 91 Ranger, even has a downstream. It only has the one.
SPEAKER 06 :
No, because it’s a truck. Different emissions standards for it than what the car had in 91. It’s older, too. It’s older, too, yeah.
SPEAKER 14 :
Yeah, and I have a problem with that. I talked to you before about it. It runs great until after it warms up. Then idling at a stoplight when you push the clutch in, it starts running really rough, even almost like backfiring. Even the exhaust starts to smell, and I can’t figure out what’s going on with that.
SPEAKER 06 :
I can’t remember what engine’s in it.
SPEAKER 14 :
It’s a four-cylinder, 2.3.
SPEAKER 06 :
Yeah, that one could be any number of things. Those had distributor shaft issues where the distributor shaft can get loose.
SPEAKER 14 :
I don’t have a distributor.
SPEAKER 06 :
What year is it?
SPEAKER 1 :
91.
SPEAKER 14 :
91, yeah. Actually, it’s got two coils. It’s got eight spark plugs. There’s spark plugs on each side of the cylinder. One fires after the other one. Maybe it’s a 2001? No, a 91. It’s an electronic fuel injection.
SPEAKER 09 :
I was thinking 91 was carbureted almost even. So it is fuel-injected, though.
SPEAKER 06 :
Yeah, I knew it was fuel-injected, but I, for some reason, I don’t know why I’m remembering those having a distributor.
SPEAKER 14 :
No, and that’s another thing that’s weird is that coil, okay, it’s got four spark plugs in there, but there’s only three wires going to it. Do these things fire all together? No.
SPEAKER 09 :
Didn’t they do where they had like a, what do they call it, one would fire and the other one would fire at the same time, the other off-cylinder? I think so, yes. I think you’re right. Sympathetic or something like that, whatever thing.
SPEAKER 14 :
On the one side, the four, let’s ignore the other side, but the four, the main ones, the four main ones, there’s only three wires to it, so how can it differentiate when to fire each different cylinder? It looks like they all have to, or at least two have to fire together, or all four of them fire together at the same time.
SPEAKER 09 :
Sorry, I’m trying to look up the – My memory of a 91 is not so good.
SPEAKER 06 :
Yeah, that’s why I’m having to look it up. That’s been too many years ago. I’m trying to look up the parts for it so I can remember. And what’s weird is even what I’m looking up shows a distributor. That’s where, man, I’m really confused because I worked on some of those back in the day, and I – I was sure a 91 had a distributor, so if yours doesn’t, then it, I mean, I’m not arguing with you, it doesn’t, but that’s not what I remember.
SPEAKER 14 :
Yeah, it’s even like, it’s actually the same coil my Escort, 95 Escort uses.
SPEAKER 06 :
Okay. Yeah, that would make sense. Sure.
SPEAKER 14 :
And, but, you know, I just wonder how they, how do they differ, how does it know to fire the number one cylinder with only three wires going to it? I mean, the feed-in wires, not the ones going out that are spark plugs.
SPEAKER 06 :
Right.
SPEAKER 14 :
To determine, because it isn’t a distributor, that’s the thing.
SPEAKER 06 :
Correct.
SPEAKER 14 :
Yeah.
SPEAKER 06 :
Well, electronically, I mean, the answer is somehow electronically it’s knowing what to fire and when. Otherwise it wouldn’t work.
SPEAKER 14 :
Yeah, I just figure it’s firing all four at the same time and the others aren’t doing anything. I mean, it’s on exhaust cycle.
SPEAKER 06 :
And it could be firing it on the exhaust cycle to clean up emissions. You could be right in that, yes.
SPEAKER 14 :
It’s a weird setup, but yeah, it’s not new enough to have the old V2. No, it’s not. The check engine light doesn’t come on. I mean, it has a check engine light if there’s a problem. Like if you disconnect something, the check engine light will come on right now, and you plug it back in, it’s fine. But this doesn’t show any code, so I don’t know how to solve it.
SPEAKER 06 :
Those were tough, and I did finally find the right system for that. Yeah, it’s got two coils, four plug wires each coil, four spark plugs, and again, those are all being controlled electronically. So honestly, Bill, I can’t tell you which plug is firing when and why. I would have to research that farther. I don’t know. They’re all electronic, so I don’t know. I’m guessing it’s firing on the downstream to clean things up emissions-wise is why it’s got that second plug. I’m guessing. Again, I don’t know that engine that well. Somebody else does. You can sure tell me, but I don’t know it that well.
SPEAKER 14 :
The plug’s on the other side. That’s what it’s supposed to do.
SPEAKER 06 :
It’s firing on the downstream is what it’s doing.
SPEAKER 14 :
But, I mean, the ones that are there, I don’t see what controls how it knows to fire number one.
SPEAKER 06 :
Well, I’m looking at the module. It’s all being controlled through the modules that are in the coil pack is what’s happening. The quote-unquote mini computer in the coil pack is what it’s doing. I can tell that from looking at it.
SPEAKER 14 :
Oh, there’s a mini computer in the coil pack.
SPEAKER 06 :
Of course there is.
SPEAKER 14 :
Oh, okay. Isn’t there like a grounding something?
SPEAKER 09 :
Didn’t you have to put a little grease or something on it?
SPEAKER 06 :
Yeah, underneath, yeah. And I apologize. Charlie’s telling me, Bill, we’ve got to roll. I’ve got to let you go. We’ll go to the top of the hour break, guys. We’ll come right back. I’ll get Kevin and John in a moment. Don’t go anywhere. Drive Radio KLZ 560.
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