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“Rush to Reason” is a no-holds-barred talk show hosted by John Rush, offering bold perspectives on politics, culture, and everyday issues. Join John and guest hosts Andy Pate, Luke Cashman, and Ashley Karcher as they tackle controversial topics with candor, humor, and the kind of spirited debate you won’t find anywhere else. From football rivalries to election mysteries, no subject is off-limits. Presented by High Five Plumbing, Heating, Cooling, and Electric, where every call ends with a high five!
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Are you crazy? Am I? Or am I so sane that you just blew your mind?
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It’s Rush to Reason with your host, John Rush. Presented by High Five Plumbing, Heating, Cooling, and Electric. Where every call ends with a high five.
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Actually, it’s Andy Pate. Party of choice. And welcome to our number two. This is Andy Pate filling in for John Rush along with Luke Cash. Man. And Ashley Karch. Her. That’s right. Okay. We are waiting on Richard Rush. He’ll be calling in shortly. But… First, Ashley, this is very important to you because I know you like J.K. Rowling. I do. And she had a comment recently, which I thought was brilliant. As you know, even though she is a liberal, strong liberal, she is the author of what? Harry Potter. The Harry Potter series. She had some people come against her and they said this. I wish you would use your immense power to help the trans kids. I’m sorry. Use it right. I’m sorry. That’s kind of I can’t see it here. But it says you’re you’re hurting trans kids and it’s hurtful and unnecessary what you’re doing. You’re bringing hate upon trans kids.
SPEAKER 11 :
Yep. That’s been their argument against her for a long time.
SPEAKER 03 :
OK, here was her response. There are no trans kids. No child is born in the wrong body. There are only adults like you prepared to sacrifice the health of minors to bolster your belief in an ideology that will end up wreaking more harm than lobotomies and false memory syndrome combined. More harm than lobotomies, that might be a little heavy.
SPEAKER 11 :
I think a couple tweets after that, she retweeted an article or an essay or something written by someone that basically has the same title, There Are No Trans Children.
SPEAKER 03 :
Now, I happen to agree with this statement. You know, as you know, and Luke knows this about me, I’m a right-wing evangelical Christian wacko. I understand. He’s insane. He’s crazy. I’m insane, people. Put him in a straight jacket. Look, I know who I am, but I’ve always been a live and let live kind of guy. You know, I believe we are born as what we are. I think it’s literally mental illness to think you are literally in the wrong body. I think that’s crazy. However… Do what you want with your life. Do what you want with your life. Just don’t impose it. And also, don’t expose it with kids who are 18 and under. Let them grow up first and make their own decisions. What do you think, Luke?
SPEAKER 06 :
Well, I think I’ve always been of the opinion, you know, you live your life, I’ll live mine. Yeah. And I have one rule. It’s very simple. Stop messing with kids. Yeah. Stop messing with kids, dude. I think that’s a very solid rule. I don’t think it’s a hard one to follow either. Stop messing with kids.
SPEAKER 03 :
I’m not going into schools shoving my Christianity on kids even. No. Right? I’m not going… Those schools are tax-funded places to learn to where you are supposed to become… Oh, get this. Ready to win in the free market. Get a job. You’re not there to learn how to be trans or to learn how to be Andy.
SPEAKER 11 :
Well, that’s what schools are supposed to be, but now they’re indoctrination centers.
SPEAKER 03 :
Pretty much, yes. On the line right now, we’ve got Richard Rush. Richard, welcome. Hello, sir. How are we? You know, we’re doing okay. I know you had kind of a rough weekend. And before we even get to the NFL, I got to talk a little bit about CU. I was surprised by the CU-BYU game because Flash met Smash and Smash won.
SPEAKER 05 :
Yeah, Andy, I was not surprised for a few reasons. Number one, we have played in that bowl. Well, basically, I think our last three bowls have been that bowl, the Alamo Bowl, and we have gotten destroyed each time. So it’s just not a friendly place to us for whatever reason, right, wrong or otherwise. And then in addition, I just kind of felt like, I mean, I was hopeful that maybe it was sort of one of those things, Andy, in an Oregon situation, right, where Oregon of old would just get against one of these, you know, quote-unquote power teams, but they’re not like super, super, super power, and so you can sort of use your athleticism to beat them and hit them, you know, where they can’t catch you sort of a situation. It just didn’t materialize like that. Maybe, you know, some kids were looking to get out of there early for the holidays.
SPEAKER 03 :
I don’t know, Andy. Richard, were you surprised, though, by the raw physicality of BYU? These Mormons are tough, I’m telling you what.
SPEAKER 05 :
They’ve got to be.
SPEAKER 03 :
I’m kidding, but go ahead.
SPEAKER 05 :
Honestly, Andy, that is who CU is. And I think Dion is smart, and he actually has got a lot of respect for the coach that is there. If I were him, I would sort of replicate my program in a lot of ways after him, which is the trenches. And that’s one area where CU improved, believe it or not, over last year. But they need to continue to get better. And so, yeah, the physicality, I mean, that’s who BYU always is, Andy, right? You know, some, you know, smart, I’ll just say it, smart white and Samoan kids. And then, obviously, you mix in, you know, some good size and… as far as some of the black athletes and the players that way. But most of the kids that are going to BYU, a lot of them, I should say, are white and Samoan kids, right, Andy? And they’re just tough, hard-nosed, really smart players.
SPEAKER 03 :
I was surprised by how many Samoans they had on their team, which I actually thought was kind of cool. I’ll just say this, and I’ll close on this game with this statement. BYU looked like a junkyard dog. Mean. Just mean. And I mean, they were hitting CU in like five different directions on every play. It was crazy.
SPEAKER 05 :
CU deserves it. It’s something, Andy, that Shador, you know, the new Giants, or maybe not, we’ll talk about that here.
SPEAKER 03 :
Oh, he’ll still be great.
SPEAKER 05 :
Should probably be getting used to because it was sort of an awakening of, you know, what happens when you, you know, it just gets tougher, right? The NFL… is the creme de la creme, right, Andy? The creme of the crop. You’ve got grown men that are chasing you rather than boys. Maybe it was a welcome.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah, taking a look at the NFL, and before we even get to Denver, who I think is going to win this week because I think KC’s going to rest their players, but… Have you ever seen this many teams check out? And I mean, you always have two or three teams, right, at the end of the year like this who are checked out. But we have had, like, for the last few weeks, I would say like eight or nine teams who are totally checked out.
SPEAKER 05 :
Andy, I don’t recall a situation in which It seems like this is a very – I don’t want to call it a down year, but it is. It’s a very – you just have got a lot of mediocre teams. You’ve got a lot of middle – and I’m not even talking like – sorry, less than mediocre, right? You’ve got a lot of bad teams, a lot of teams that – don’t care or rebuilding or whatever it might be in it with interesting in asking to see because I mean look at the top the Jackie I mean you’ve got normally in the in a normal you you know that could you pay the draft as much as I do in fact more in a lot of cases Normally, you’ve got one really bad team, right? You win two games, maybe three, and then you’ve got some teams that are sitting around four or five wins, but they’re competitive. Right. This year, Andy, you’ve got a massive amount of teams that are three, four wins, and none of them look any good.
SPEAKER 03 :
It’s horrible, Richard. I mean, when you watch CU, right, and right at the beginning, I’m back to college for a moment, and right at the beginning of the game, they run out on the field, and one of them is carrying the CU flag. And they race out on the field. In the NFL, you got like nine teams who race out on the field with a white flag right at the beginning of the game. They don’t care. The Giants are almost begging you to beat them. The Browns are begging you to beat them. The Jaguars had no choice but win because they played the Titans, who are begging you to beat them. The Saints, dear Lord in heaven, help them.
SPEAKER 11 :
If you know the draft better, I’m not familiar with football draft. I know hockey draft. So does the last team get first pick?
SPEAKER 05 :
Yes. So it’s a race to the bottom. No lottery. It’s not the lottery like the NHL is.
SPEAKER 11 :
The NHL works. It’s somewhat of a lottery, but the NHL does still work with the bottom team usually getting the first pick.
SPEAKER 03 :
It’s a weighted lottery. But yeah, Ashley, you’re right. Basically, it’s a race to the bottom, and they are racing, Richard. I have not seen anything like it. Really quick here before we go to break, because I want to come back to NFL picks. The Broncos, are they going to make easy work of the Chiefs? I mean, I just don’t think the Chiefs are going to play anybody.
SPEAKER 05 :
Andy Reid doesn’t care. I think the Chiefs are going to be – I think Carson Wentz is going to play motivated. You do have a lot of guys that are still going to play. They still have to field a team with the guys they have, right, in regular season.
SPEAKER 03 :
Will they play a fair number of offensive linemen just out of concern for his safety?
SPEAKER 05 :
You know, they could, but I don’t think they play Tooney, right? You know, they’re new, not newfound, but, you know, guard, move to tackle. Right. And they’re probably going to play the young kids. DeAndre Hopkins is not going to play. Obviously, Kelsey is not going to play. Mahomes isn’t going to play. I would doubt Pacheco plays. I mean, so you’re taking out your offensive weapons. What about Taylor Swift?
SPEAKER 03 :
Maybe they can have her suit up.
SPEAKER 05 :
Hey, Andy, depending on, I will say this for the Broncos. Yes, Kansas City should come out. You should be able to smack this team. You should be able to get yourself in the playoffs. Because if you cannot beat a backup Chiefs team, and because the Chiefs are already down anyways, but that’s a whole other conversation probably for next week, Andy, after this. If you can’t beat a backup Chiefs team, you don’t deserve to be in the playoffs. Which, real quick, and then we’ve got to run a break. They should have gone for two at the end of regulation to beat the Cincinnati Bengals.
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Thank you.
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That’s what I was screaming at my TV. Oh, yes, and they should have. They absolutely should have gone for two. You had the momentum because, Andy, we knew that Joe Burrow, especially, I mean, the fact that he got three possessions in overtime is crazy. I thought with one possession he was going to drive down and score a touchdown, to be honest with you. The fact that you gave him three possessions – is insane. What did you expect to happen? So they really shouldn’t even be in this case because they should have won the game on Saturday night, but that’s neither here nor there.
SPEAKER 03 :
Richard, with all due respect to Josh Allen and some of these other QBs, Joe Burrow’s the best QB in the NFL, bar none. He’s on a lousy team, and they’re playing 500 ball. on that rotten team. It’s insane. This guy has no defense, no running game. Every team is blitzing him nonstop like you guys did. You had seven sacks on the poor guy. I felt bad for him. I was about to call social services on the Denver defense because this looked like something illegal. They were hitting him so much.
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This guy is great. I know we talk about this a lot, and obviously you had the era of Brady and Manning, and obviously you had Roethlisberger. This may be one of the greatest eras of quarterbacks that we are in the midst of. Agreed. Between Mahomes, Burrow, Allen, obviously Lamar Jackson plays really well at times, and that’s not counting how well Goff is playing, your guy Jordan Love, right? Jalen Hurst, depending on if you… Hey, don’t forget about the Vikings. Yeah, Sam Darnold back from the dead. Oh, does he look good. Incredibly, incredibly well. And so it’s really something that when you’re in the thick of something, you don’t really realize it, but I think you’ve got to realize and say, wow, this is sort of the golden age of football, and we’re kind of getting into it. And it should be fun, although it makes it less of an accident. The Broncos have something in Bo Nix, some of the throws he made, Andy. Oh, he’s good. It’s just really unfortunate because he’s never going to be in the top five of his conference. but maybe you don’t need to because he played well enough, Andy, for them to win on Saturday.
SPEAKER 03 :
I disagree. I think by, I don’t know, by year two, because you never know, sophomore slump that could hit. I think by year three, this kid is in the top five in the AFC, definitely.
SPEAKER 05 :
He’s going to be better than the four I just mentioned, plus Justin Herbert.
SPEAKER 03 :
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Putting reason into your afternoon drive.
SPEAKER 03 :
This is John Rush. And welcome back to Rush to Reason. Denver’s Afternoon Rush. KLZ 560. Andy Pate filling in for John Rush. Richard Rush is on the line right now. Richard, let’s blow through these games. You ready?
SPEAKER 05 :
Let’s go for it.
SPEAKER 03 :
Okay, this first one we can really blow through. The Browns. They’re waving the white flag. They are on the road at the Ravens. Ravens favored by 18.
SPEAKER 05 :
Yeah, Andy, that’s a massive spread. I actually don’t know if it gets there because I think the Browns may let up off the gas, Andy, because it should be that bad as they continue through the game. But yeah, this will be the Ravens. They get the division and they get that home game.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah, I agree. Who knows how many points the Browns score in the fourth quarter. But yeah, Ravens win easily. Next game, big game. The Cincinnati Bengals are on the road at the Pittsburgh Steelers. Steelers have been struggling. Cincinnati favored by one and a half.
SPEAKER 05 :
Steelers are struggling, Andy. I’m going to go with the Bengals here because they’ve got nothing to lose, although it is, you know, basically it’s either a date with the Steelers, or the Steelers are basically playing for a date with the Texans or a date with the Ravens. And for that very reason, could motivate them. Well, it is at home for the Steelers. I just think Russ is showing his true colors of what he was last year, Andy, and what Broncos fans were sort of… well, basically what they begin to not like about Russ. So I’m going to go with the Bengals here, Andy, and hopefully give the Broncos that much more of a push. So I’ll go the Bengals.
SPEAKER 03 :
I agree. I think the Bengals on the road take it. Next game, the Panthers have been showing a little fight in them, but they’re still losing a lot. They’re on the road with the Falcons. Falcons favored by 8.5.
SPEAKER 05 :
They are, Andy, and then Falcons have got to win and have the Buccaneers to lose and Michael Penix, even though he has some great throws. I’m going to go with the Falcons here, Andy, at home. They’ve got to win that game. But I like where the Panthers are going. You and I have talked about that for a few weeks, but I’ll go with the Falcons here.
SPEAKER 03 :
I’ll take the Falcons, too. Next game, the Commanders are on the road at the Cowboys. Commanders favored by 3.5. Should it be more?
SPEAKER 05 :
It probably should, but Andy, I’m going to go upset here, and the only reason because the Cowboys are that type of team where they just want to spoil the commanders of basically going either to the second seed or the commanders could obviously be the sixth seed going to the third seed, which is a potential difference there, obviously, in the NFC, basically going to either the Lions or the Vikings or the Eagles, right? And I think that they could potentially choose that. I’m going to go with the Cowboys. They’re going to pull the upset.
SPEAKER 03 :
These teams really hate each other, don’t they? But I’m going to take the Commanders. Next game, speaking about hating each other, the Bears are on the road at my Packers. Packers favored by 8.5. Do you guys have anything to gain, Andy? No, not really. You know, and let me just say this about my Packers. You know, I love my team, but they’re not a playoff team, okay? And this is why I’m not so sure I like the playoffs being seven teams in each conference, okay? Green Bay doesn’t belong in the playoffs. They’re going to go in and get slaughtered. So maybe they just rest a bunch of guys this week. I don’t know.
SPEAKER 05 :
They may. I mean, the Bears are terrible. They are. I’m going to put a cap down. If Jordan Love plays, which, again, if you guys can’t move up or down, they may not play him at all. If Jordan Love plays, you guys win because the Bears are terrible. If you don’t, you still may win because the Bears are terrible. So I’ll go with the Packers either way, I guess.
SPEAKER 03 :
I’ll take the Packers. I think the Bears are looking at the draft, like Ashley said earlier. Up next is the Texans. They’re 9-7. They’re on the road at another team that has given up, Tennessee. However, Texas has nothing to play for, and Tennessee is actually favored by a point.
SPEAKER 05 :
They are, Andy. I’m going to go with the Texans just because I think they’re a better team. Tennessee has something to play for, Andy, in that if they lose, they get that, I think, they have a chance for the second pick, which depending on if they’re going to go quarterback or not and depending on how you view this draft as a big deal, a top two pick is way different than a top five pick, right?
SPEAKER 04 :
Oh, yeah.
SPEAKER 05 :
Two or five. So I’m going to go with the Texans here, Andy, although I could see the Titans hurting themselves, shooting themselves in the foot, being a typical Tennessee Titans thing.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah, this is the time that the Titans would actually win and hurt their draft position. But I’ll take the Texans next game. The Jaguars, hey, they just won big, but it’s over the Titans. They’re on the road at the equally repulsive Colts. Colts are favored by five and a half.
SPEAKER 05 :
Colts are terrible, Andy. I don’t know if you go look at Pat McAfee’s sort of rebuke of them. They’re awful. They’ll come back and win again because the Jags are inept, maybe more inept than the Colts. But yeah, just a terrible division as a whole. So I’ll go with the Colts.
SPEAKER 03 :
I’ll take the Colts, too. And by the way, that rebuke was hilarious. I loved it. Okay, next game. The Bills, they were on the road at the Patriots. Their records are in inverse. 13-3 against 3-13. Together, they’re 500. The Bills are favored by three, even though will they be playing anyone?
SPEAKER 05 :
Um, no, Andy, they won’t be playing anyone. But again, and honestly, again, this is a Patriots thing, Andy. Hopefully they can get this right to where I know they have their quarterback of the future, but they should just lose because if they lose. then they can sell the first pick like they’re supposed to to a team that doesn’t. Or if they don’t get the offers, Andy, you take one of the all-time best weapons to ever come out of college football in Travis Hunter, and you give Drake May a great wide receiver along with, obviously, a stud cornerback as well. So I’m going to go with the Bills here, Andy, just because I think the Patriots want to lose that bad.
SPEAKER 03 :
I think Hunter would look very good in a Patriots uniform. I’ll take the Bills as well. Next game, another team that’s given up the Giants. They are on the road at the Philadelphia Eagles. Eagles favored by three.
SPEAKER 05 :
Yeah, Andy, they have, and I don’t think the Eagles have anything to gain either. I think they’re kind of locked into their, I think they’re locked into the three seed, to be honest with you. And then the Giants, obviously, Drew Locke, old Broncos guy, helping out the, not the Broncos, but basically the Giants and essentially crushing their dreams of getting the first overall pick, which was likely going to be Shador Sanders. Maybe they still get up there, Andy. Yeah, I’m going to go to the Eagles here, Andy, just because, again, they’re a better team even if they’re playing their backups.
SPEAKER 03 :
I agree. Eagles. Okay. Saints. Boy, have they been awful lately. They’re on the road to the Buccaneers. Buccaneers favored by 13.
SPEAKER 05 :
Oh, Buccaneers favored by 13, Andy. Yeah.
SPEAKER 03 :
Have you seen the Saints lately?
SPEAKER 05 :
They’re terrible, Andy. And I like Baker. He actually won my son the fantasy football championship last in our league here. So kudos to Josh. Shout out to him. Yeah, Andy, I’m going to go to the Buccaneers here. They should win and be in the playoff, which is where they belong. They’ve really kind of come on the end of the season here.
SPEAKER 03 :
I agree. Buccaneers next game. The Chiefs coming in and playing the Broncos. Broncos are favored by nine and a half. Chiefs aren’t going to play anyone. Taylor Swift.
SPEAKER 05 :
I don’t even know if we covered the spread there, Andy, but we should win this game. I’m going to pick the Broncos because we should. There’s no jinxing, no nothing. Broncos should win this game. They should be in the playoffs.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah, Taylor Swift is, you know, she’s very tall. She’s got the height, but she’s way too light to be an offensive lineman. I am going to take the Broncos big. Next game, the Chargers, they are on the road at the Raiders who are awful. The Chargers favored by five and a half.
SPEAKER 05 :
Yeah, I don’t think Chargers have anything to play for either, Andy. I don’t think they can catch the Steelers. Does it matter? I’m not sure. It doesn’t matter. Again, the Raiders are a team where they shouldn’t have won this last weekend against the Saints, but different conversation. Yeah, Andy, I’m going to go Chargers here.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah, I’ll take the Chargers. Seahawks, they are 9-7. They’re on the road at the 10-6 Rams. Seahawks actually favored by three.
SPEAKER 05 :
Another team that has nothing to play for here, Andy, the Seahawks. Well, they’re out. And the Rams, well, I should say both teams have nothing to play for. The Rams really have nothing to play for because I think they’re locked in, too. So I’m going to go with the Seahawks just to maybe put a bow on the season, I guess.
SPEAKER 03 :
I agree. Seahawks next game. Dolphins are on the road at the Jets. Oh, my gosh. Jets need a quarterback. How does that sound? Dolphins favored by one.
SPEAKER 05 :
Well, Andy, that’s a conversation that we may have at a later point in time. Yeah, Dolphins should win this, although it does not look like Tua’s going to play. But wouldn’t that just be the Jets’ thing to do to just really… sort of get Miami over by beating them and potentially keeping them out of the playoffs. Yeah, I don’t think that happens. I’m going to go with the Dolphins here just because the Jets are so bad, Andy. I’m not even sure Aaron Rodgers plays, to be honest with you.
SPEAKER 03 :
No, I agree. I’ve got to take the Dolphins next game. 49ers are on the road. The Cardinals, two teams that have nothing to play for. Niners favored by one.
SPEAKER 05 :
Andy, I do not remember a week like this where there was so few to play for for these teams. You know what I mean? There’s a lot of games that don’t matter, and there’s very few that do. I’m sure the NFL is actually not very happy about it. Probably a lot of conversations happening behind the scenes. Yeah, Andy, I’m going to go literally sort of flip the coin here. I’ll go Cardinals.
SPEAKER 03 :
I’ll take the Cardinals. Last game, game of the week, the Vikings, 14-2 against the Lions, 13-2. But they’ll be 14-2 after tonight. The Lions are favored by 2.5.
SPEAKER 05 :
Yeah, Andy, I’m still not sold on the Vikings, although they keep making me eat crow every single week with Sam Darnold and that lineup and how they’re doing. So I’m sure if you’re a Vikings fan, Dan, maybe you’re out there, you’re listening to this, and I’ll just keep it up. I’m going to go with the Lions, Andy. I think that they’re getting some of their guys back. I think they’ll be too good. That’s not to say Minnesota’s not really good, but it’s the difference between the one seed home playoff game and a bye, Andy, and having to travel to the four-seat. How crazy is that, the NFL playoffs? But I’ll go with the Lions.
SPEAKER 03 :
You know, I agree. I think the Lions are finally going to be getting some guys back on defense. I’ll take the Lions as well. And that is it, Richard. Thank you so much for joining. Thank you, sir. Have a happy new year, and I’ll talk to you next year, Andy. Happy new year. Talk to you next year. Okay, folks, up next is Veteran Windows. They tell you to shop around first because they’ve got the best value. Call Veteran Windows and Doors. Let them know Rush to Reason sent you, and you’re going to get their best deal. 303-529-0720.
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SPEAKER 03 :
Denver’s Afternoon Rush. KLZ 560. Andy Pate filling in for John Rush along with Luke Cash. Man. And Ashley Carter. Her. That’s right. Okay. I’ve got to ask you guys a question. I’m not asking you to say definitively like you know. Okay. Just your opinion. My opinion. The 2020 election.
SPEAKER 06 :
2020 election.
SPEAKER 03 :
Was it stolen?
SPEAKER 06 :
No.
SPEAKER 03 :
No.
SPEAKER 06 :
I don’t think so.
SPEAKER 03 :
You don’t think so?
SPEAKER 11 :
I don’t think it was stolen.
SPEAKER 03 :
Okay.
SPEAKER 11 :
I think that maybe some… I mean, there’s evidence that has come out that maybe some votes have been miscounted, but I don’t think that necessarily dictates that it was stolen.
SPEAKER 03 :
I think there was a fair amount of chicanery. I will say this. I think it’s awful. It’s dumb for Republicans to run on that, to run on the 2020 steal and say we’ve got to stop the 2020 steal from happening again. The voters outside the Republican base don’t want to hear it. OK, they don’t want to hear about it. And it’s like I always say, folks, let’s say you broke up with someone five years ago. OK, in the first month, you know, your friends at work, they’ll listen to you talk about the breakup because, you know, they sympathize. They empathize. Oh, yeah. He was terrible to you. She was terrible to you. Whatever. Right. Yeah. But OK, now it’s six months and you’re still talking about it. Now it’s a year and you’re still talking about how Luke, how’s that go?
SPEAKER 06 :
No, it doesn’t go very well. I think people forgot what it’s like to be on the receiving end of that. For as much as Republicans hated the Russia collusion, Russia collusion, Russia collusion, Democrats hated the, you know, it’s stolen, it’s stolen, it’s stolen.
SPEAKER 03 :
Well, it’s not just Democrats. I think it’s people in general. The people in the middle don’t want to hear about the 2020 steal. And the people in the middle also didn’t want to hear the Democrats go on about Russian collusion. They’re looking at them saying, you know, we’re not buying this.
SPEAKER 06 :
Right. It’s the same song sung by a different group. You get tired of it after a while.
SPEAKER 03 :
Exactly. Ashley, what do you think?
SPEAKER 11 :
I’m thinking the same thing. After a year, two years, three years, it’s like, okay, it happened. Stop talking about it. We’re over it at this point.
SPEAKER 03 :
Right. Put it behind you. Move on. Okay. But guys… Here’s a little piece of information, and this has always made me very curious about it, and I just got to throw it out there because it’s powerful. It is very powerful. Bellwether counties, there are 19 Bellwether counties that have basically as a whole chosen every single winner of every single election, and we’re going back to 1984 when they started this. These 19 counties around the country. In 1984, 100% of these 19 counties chose, they went for the winner, okay, which was Reagan, okay? In 1988, 88% of them, that means it was 17 to 2. So two counties descended, okay? 88% of them went for the eventual winner. You with me? Uh-huh. Let’s whip through these.
SPEAKER 1 :
1992, 94%.
SPEAKER 03 :
That means only one out of these 19 counties went against the eventual winner of the election.
SPEAKER 1 :
1996, 100%.
SPEAKER 03 :
Okay, understand these are flipping back and forth between Democrat and Republican winners.
SPEAKER 11 :
Yeah.
SPEAKER 03 :
These are bellwether counties. They really go for the winner. All right. So 1996, 100%. That was Bill Clinton. 2000, George W. Bush, 100%. Think about that. 100% of them went for the Democrat in 96. 100% went for the Republican in 2000. 2004, Bush again, 94%. 18 to 1. 2008. Barack Obama, 94%, 18 to 1. 2012, Barack again, 100%, 19 to nothing. 2016, Donald Trump, the year he lost the popular vote to Hillary Clinton by actually a fair margin. 100% of these bellwether counties went for Donald Trump. I’m going to skip 2020. In 2024, this year, 88%, 17 to 2, right, went for Donald Trump. In 2020, what percentage do you think went for Donald Trump? I mean, went for the eventual winner, Joe Biden.
SPEAKER 11 :
Considering the fact that you skipped it, I’m going to assume like 33% went for the winner.
SPEAKER 03 :
Okay, you think it was that bad that only roughly 33% went for the winner. What do you think, Luke? 50-50.
SPEAKER 1 :
6%.
SPEAKER 03 :
Oh! 18 out of the 19 counties, bellwether counties, went for Donald Trump in 2020. Okay, guys. Now, look, I’m a math guy, okay? As you know, and Luke, you kind of know this. I’m really into math. I love math. I do. I think math all the time. I’m sorry, but statistically, 188, 94, 100, 100, 94, 94, 100, 100, 688. Can we kind of call that, you know, an outlier? Can we pretty much call 2020 and say something incredibly, incredibly unusual happened that year? Can we at least fairly say that?
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah.
SPEAKER 03 :
Okay. Now, once again, I have never said, I know. Well, maybe I have. I can’t remember. It’s been so many years. But, you know, but for the most part, I don’t say, I know that election was stolen. But. Ted Cruz, on January 6th, the day when they had the riot, he said, look, all we’re asking for is this. We want a 10-day audit of several of these counties that it looks like some real chicanery has happened. And these counties have thrown several major states to Joe Biden. Okay. You had Fulton County, of course, in Atlanta. You had Maricopa down there in Arizona. You had a couple counties in Philadelphia, which, wow, some of the stuff that went on there. Okay. And Ted Cruz said, look, and we will, you know, certify the election. What’s the hurry? Give us 10 days to do a full audit of these counties. And people don’t seem to remember this. Donald Trump agreed. That’s all he was asking for. I mean, he never called for an insurrection, folks. He called for a 10-day audit, all right?
SPEAKER 11 :
Oh, but it’s the same thing with Eli. He was calling for violence by asking for that.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah, terrible violence. Calling for terrible violence by… OK, guys, it’s kind of hard to say that, you know, the Trump supporters don’t have a point. I think the Trump supporters do have a point. I think there was a lot of cheating. And let’s keep in mind that party that they’re complaining about is openly across the board against voter ID. Now, there’s only one reason to be against voter ID. You want to cheat.
SPEAKER 11 :
I remember seeing a map breakdown where it’s like the states that are that always go blue are some of the only states that don’t require photo ID.
SPEAKER 03 :
Right. They don’t. But that’s going to it’s going to be that way because Democrats, you know, is it the chicken or the egg? What produces what? You know, Democrats win there. And then Democrats, of course, don’t want any photo ID. They don’t care about cheating. OK, they want to cheat. You can only the only reason you can be against photo ID is you want to cheat. That can be the only reason. This idea that photo ID is racist is ludicrous. Because at that point, you’re telling me black people can’t have an ID. That’s nuts. They’re fine. They’re the same as anybody else. That’s racist to think that. Guys, can we at least say that the Trump supporters, and I’m one of them, have a point? When you look at those numbers, at least they have, I’m not saying they should harp on that point going forward, but can we at least say, look, they got a point. This looks really bad.
SPEAKER 11 :
Sure, they have a point, but what happens if you just continue to hammer on a point? Eventually it dulls and you don’t have it anymore.
SPEAKER 03 :
Agreed. Agreed. Totally agree. Whenever I see a candidate really wants to harp on this issue, I always say, get the other candidate in the primary. Carrie Lake, I opposed her in her primary in Arizona. I said, look, she’s a brilliant speaker, an excellent debater. She’s a terrible candidate. Why? She was big on the 2020 steal. Ron Hanks here in Colorado, I said absolutely anyone but Ron Hanks.
SPEAKER 04 :
Mm-hmm.
SPEAKER 03 :
Because he’s big in the 2020 steal. It will not sell outside the base. So I hate it as an election issue. Setting that aside, 188, 94, 100, 100, 94, 94, 100, 100, 6, 88. I don’t, I mean, any statistician would look at that and say that election was stolen. Yeah. Yeah. I know, because one thing that I used to do, guys, is I worked in a couple companies where I would catch thieves, all right? I would catch crooks. I did this both in theater companies, where I was a manager, okay, in the Midwest, and I also did it when I was managing a casino up in the mountains here.
SPEAKER 04 :
Right, right.
SPEAKER 03 :
This is exactly how I caught thieves. I would look at basic statistics of what was happening and why with the money, at what shifts, at what times, and how. If I saw something like this, I mean, I would be going ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding. There’s a thief there. Find the thief. And guess what? I had people walked out in chains multiple times. Okay. I would look at this and say, not only was this stolen, this is highly likely it was stolen. that there was enough chicanery done in several counties around the country that through several key states that this was stolen. So what I’m saying is, was 2020 stolen? I don’t know. We never did the audit, okay? But I am saying that those who are saying it is or that it was have a pretty good point. What do you think?
SPEAKER 06 :
I think – Is that fair enough? I think everyone is entitled to be suspicious of the people in power because everyone knows – Agreed. That the government has only ever had your best interest in mind. They’ve never done anything to hurt you or harm you. Oh, no, never, never. No, they are – They love us. Yeah. I think – oh, my God. God forbid someone be suspicious of the people in power, right? It’s – I feel like it’s only natural after everything that’s happened throughout all of time. It’s – Right.
SPEAKER 11 :
I just always think of, I think it was Ronald Reagan. It’s my favorite Ronald Reagan quote where it’s like the nine scariest words are, I’m from the government and I’m here to help.
SPEAKER 06 :
Yeah. Exactly. They don’t care about you. I think everyone is entitled to skepticism.
SPEAKER 03 :
Which party believes in, absolutely believes in big government? Controlling lives.
SPEAKER 11 :
Gee, I wonder which one.
SPEAKER 03 :
And don’t get me wrong. It’s not like the Republicans never fall into that. OK, I’m the first to criticize Republicans when I think they have it coming. And I do. OK, I do. I’m big time pro-lifer, but I think are my pro-life fellow cohorts at times are very unfeeling Republicans. Toward people who are pro-choice and toward the young girl who the guy got her knocked up and he skips town and she’s in a terrible way and they don’t seem to care about what she’s going through in her life. We’re not very caring. I’m quick to rip on her side. But I can’t look at those numbers and not say, look, if I were still working at a company, I’d say there’s a thief there. Go catch him.
SPEAKER 06 :
Fair enough.
SPEAKER 03 :
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And welcome back to Rush Reason, Denver’s Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560, Andy Pate filling in for John Rush along with Luke Cash. Ma’am. I’m sorry you say that so well. That’s all I can say. That’s what I’m here for. Okay. And Ashley Carter. Carter. Her. Okay. You know what? I don’t really want to spend time on the shoplifting. Bottom line, for those who don’t know, California has now made it not legal to shoplift up to, what is it, $950?
SPEAKER 06 :
Yeah, $50.
SPEAKER 03 :
And they have streamlined it, and a lot of people are now getting arrested for shoplifting in California, and they’re shocked by it.
SPEAKER 06 :
Yeah, I saw some of those videos.
SPEAKER 03 :
I mean, I’m sorry, but California is insane. And this actually gets me to the question I really want to ask. The Democrats just got their butts handed to them in the election. And right now they’re smarting. But I want to ask you guys both. I’ll throw this to Ashley first. What is wrong? What are the areas where the Democrats are least popular in our country right now? What do they have to change going forward?
SPEAKER 11 :
Surprisingly, one of the areas that they really need to change on are the young voters. It used to be that the young voters were all going Democrat. Right. They were 100% for the Democrats. But the Democrats will say, oh, we’re for the young voters in the exact same breath that they say young voters are really stupid and we can’t trust them. Because that’s something Kamala Harris said. There was video of her saying that they’re really stupid. That’s why we put RAs with them. So it’s like they are trying to get young voters in the same breath that they’re insulting them.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah, but clearly Democrats think young voters are dumb because Democrats want to prop up today’s economy by spending young voters money. Yeah. I mean, in every way possible. By the way, not just because deficit spending is all going to be paid for by young people. Not me. I’ll be dead. It’s going to be paid for by young people, but also things like Obamacare. All Obamacare is this. Obamacare is young, healthy people paying more so that old, unhealthy people can pay less. That’s all it is. All Obamacare is is robbing young people. I don’t think young people, I don’t know if they understand that.
SPEAKER 11 :
Probably not. I mean, I think we’re starting to because I think it starts with young people who used to believe the lie, and I do call it a lie, that if you go to college, you’ll go get a really great paying job and you’ll be really successful in this world and you’re going to be better off for it. And now we’re sitting there going, well, college was just a waste of money. I’m not any better off for it. And you’re sucking me dry for every cent that I make.
SPEAKER 03 :
I think young people are starting to see a lot of the promises of the Democrats aren’t being fulfilled. Yeah, exactly. Okay. Luke, what do you think?
SPEAKER 06 :
What do I think? If I was a Democrat, what would I do right now?
SPEAKER 03 :
What do they got to fix? What’s wrong?
SPEAKER 06 :
What do they got to fix? They got to move away from the establishment Democrat party. They’ve fallen too in line with establishment Democrats. You look at a lot of young voters. I mean, not even just Democrats. Look at people in general. A lot of people who sort of fall left of center, they really like Bernie Sanders. Say what you will about Bernie Sanders and his policy. He is honest and he is consistent. You’re right.
SPEAKER 03 :
He doesn’t talk politics. He talks straight to you.
SPEAKER 06 :
Right. And they’ve thrown Bernie under the bus so many times. They’re pushing these figureheads, these politicians. The Democrats need to stop pushing politicians. The Democrats need to push issues, things that matter to people.
SPEAKER 03 :
I agree. Now, you guys are both talking about young people because you both are young people. What about this, though? What about other demographics where they are hemorrhaging support? Look at black men. Look at the inner cities. Hispanic men, Hispanic men actually voted for Donald Trump this time around. OK, he won Hispanic men and Hispanic women. He did much better. And I think they’re losing the inner cities. OK, not losing them, but I mean losing a healthy percentage of them where they can’t afford it. They need to win the inner cities by about 95 to five. They or at least 98 to 92 to eight.
SPEAKER 11 :
They’re losing the people that they continue to promise. We’re going to make things better for you. We’re going to make things better for you. We’re going to make things better for you. And year after year, nothing ever gets better.
SPEAKER 03 :
OK, but the thing that’s failing is socialism. So can the Democrats actually turn away from their bread and butter, which is we are going to rob other people to make your life better?
SPEAKER 06 :
No, Democrats aren’t moving away.
SPEAKER 03 :
Democrats, their main message, they don’t say it, it’s their unspoken message, but it’s their main message. I’m going to steal for you and make you feel good about it. I’m going to tell you you deserve this because other people have done bad to you and I’m going to get them. I’m going to get the rich for you. I’m going to get the white people for you. I’m going to get men for you. I’m going to get them for you. And now it’s not selling. How do you go back from that? How do you build from that?
SPEAKER 11 :
I don’t know if there really is a way. Because if you backtrack, you lose the people that you still have.
SPEAKER 06 :
No, I don’t think Democrats are going to move away from socialism. I do think they’re going to take a more softball approach to social issues because I think they found that pushing too hard for ultra-minority groups didn’t work because ultra-minority groups don’t have the votes to make up that difference, especially when you’re talking down to other percentage of your voter base, right? When you talk down to the inner cities, when you make them feel like they’re stupid, that’s not going to fly very well.
SPEAKER 03 :
So maybe support trans rights but don’t impose trans rights on other groups.
SPEAKER 06 :
The Democrats aren’t going to turn into the Republicans because their strategy is failing. They’re going to employ Democratic strategies in a different way. They’re not going to turn away from socialism because that is the party. You’re not going to see Democrats go, we need to embrace capitalism now because we lost. They’re going to embrace socialism in a different way.
SPEAKER 03 :
Okay, Ashley, you’ve got 15 seconds, so can that sell? I mean, doesn’t the country kind of want capitalism now?
SPEAKER 11 :
It really depends on who you ask. There’s still a good majority. I’ll go back to the young voters. There’s still a good majority of young voters that see socialism as the best direction for the country. But they don’t want extreme socialism.
SPEAKER 03 :
Well, socialism is bankrupting them. So I don’t know. I don’t know. I think they got a big problem. And I’m going to sum it up with this. Go woke, go broke. I think the Democrat Party went woke. I think a lot of people are sick of identity politics. They’re sick of watching a party say, anybody but a white, straight, heterosexual man is a good person. Let’s demonize them.
SPEAKER 11 :
Yeah.
SPEAKER 03 :
I don’t think it’ll sell. Okay, folks, that’s it for hour number two and hour number three. You’re going to have Jersey Joe. We’ll have to ask him about this with politics and humor on the national scene. Until then, keep it right here on Rush to Reason, KLZ 560.
SPEAKER 14 :
I’m a rich guy
