In this episode of Rush to Reason, John Rush and Andy Pate take a deep dive into the collapse of the Colorado Republican Party and why the GOP continues to lose ground across the state. They argue that the problem isn’t simply candidates or messaging—it’s structural. With less than one percent of Colorado Republicans participating in the caucus and assembly system, a tiny activist bloc is able to dominate leadership elections and steer the entire party. John and Andy describe how this system attracts political grifters who thrive in low-turnout environments and leverage rage to consolidate influence.
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And we are back, Rush to Reason, Denver’s Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560. Myself, Andy Pate, Charlie Grimes, and we were talking earlier in the first hour about just the GOP in Colorado in general. Where are we at? How do we start maybe changing some things around to where we can get a few wins? And for those of you that are listening that are on our side of the aisle, I mean, it is frustrating for me to sit back and watch loss after loss after loss after loss. We’re so bad at our messaging. We’re so bad at internal fighting. I think there’s at times really decent candidates that do have a fighting chance, and then they’re sabotaged one way or another internally in the party. There’s so much favoritism in the party. It’s ridiculous. I get it. It’s politics. A lot of that exists. But I was asking Andy at the top of the hour, and Andy, you can answer this on air, but I asked you, as far as the 50 states are concerned.
SPEAKER 14 :
Yeah.
SPEAKER 10 :
and the Republican Party is concerned in regards to the topic we talked about in 3 o’clock. Being divided? Yeah. Where does Colorado fit in in that 50-state range?
SPEAKER 14 :
We are probably the worst state. in the entire country i mean there’s like you always say michigan and a couple others we’re easily in the bottom five our republican party here is the most deeply divided and i’m sorry but that that’s because of the nature of our caucus system our caucus and assembly system the the way we’ve constructed it for electing our leadership for the party here in colorado guarantees that um that that the leadership of the party doesn’t reflect the gop as a whole it reflects a portion a small fraction of one percent of the party because that’s who’s voting on the leadership okay nobody else is okay so as i always say way under one percent less than one percent of colorado republicans attend caucus and assembly okay That group is very small, and therefore it can be overrun by the activists for groups like the Davidians, the Rhino Watchers. Because the Rhino Watch Davidians, and I know I use those terms a lot.
SPEAKER 10 :
No, but that’s what it is, Andy. There’s no other way to explain it. It just is who they are. Yeah, that’s just who it is. That’s right.
SPEAKER 14 :
They’re proud of it.
SPEAKER 10 :
That’s right.
SPEAKER 14 :
The Rhino Watch Davidians are, honestly, if you looked at what percentage of the party in Colorado do they represent, Oh, it’s less than 5%. It’s well under 5% of the party, but here’s the problem. They are 100% motivated activists. What does that mean? That means that when you have these caucuses where less than 1% of the party attends, all of their activists go to it. So they overrun it, and as a result, your state central committee, which has members from all 64 counties, is going to be at least half of these crazies. So when you have your leadership, I’m not just talking about Brett Horn, I’m talking in every county, at the county level, everywhere throughout the state, when you have your leadership chosen by… tiny group a gathering of people that can easily be overrun by the crazies guess what you’re gonna have John you’re gonna have crazies yeah and as a result happens and here’s the problem you see in a lot of states what you have is you have the moderates and the conservatives and they battle in every single state gee we should have more conservative candidates more moderate candidates whatever right okay you know what that’s healthy that’s a good discussion to have I like that I think both sides make some very good points okay And we’ll get to that here in a bit. But in Colorado, you don’t have that. What you have in Colorado is, you know, a very, very, very tiny fraction of the Republicans in the state are running at least half of the state party and absolutely blowing it up.
SPEAKER 10 :
Which, in my opinion, and I don’t think I’m… That’s not normal. You don’t see that around the country. You tell me if I’m wrong here, but the system we have in Colorado and the way it works and what Andy has described, and Andy is correct, it attracts grifters.
SPEAKER 14 :
Oh, yeah.
SPEAKER 10 :
Oh, yeah. Because those people know that there’s a very small threshold. There’s a very small amount of individuals they have to come in and influence to then have influence themselves when it’s all said and done. It’s way different… than a regular state that is run, you know, Florida, for example, and the way they run things there. It’s way different than a Florida. In other words, if you’re kind of a nobody, but you’re thinking about getting into politics, you maybe struggled in the rest of your career choices, and you think, you know, politics might work for me. Okay, where do I go where I stand a fighting chance of actually getting someplace, maybe even getting on a board seat somewhere, start earning some income off of politics and so on, and you start looking around the country, Colorado becomes very, very attractive, at the end of the day because it’s a lower threshold to get in here in Colorado than it is a lot of other states. So folks, please hear me when I say that. I don’t think publicly. Anybody else, any other radio program has ever explained the way politics in Colorado works except us. I’m telling you guys straight up. No one else out there talks about this the way we do. And frankly, I’m becoming more and more this way. I’ve watched it now for several years. I’ve been around this on the air sides of things for 11 years. And literally, I’ve watched individuals. that I know for a fact can’t get a job doing anything other than what they’re doing in politics, stay in politics because there’s no other income source for them.
SPEAKER 14 :
Am I right, Andy? Oh, absolutely. Dave Williams was our state chair. He could never win a primary.
SPEAKER 10 :
That guy couldn’t hold down a job, nonetheless, win a primary.
SPEAKER 14 :
Not really, no. But here was a guy. What did he do? He saw that the rage base would turn out for caucus and assembly.
SPEAKER 10 :
That’s right. Which is his golden ticket.
SPEAKER 14 :
And by the way, it has now gotten to where the rage base is so aggressive at caucus and assembly, they’ve even driven more people out of it. So even more people don’t want to go to caucus and assembly. Why? Now, because of all the rage. Don’t get me wrong. There are caucuses where they’re very quiet and people might even meet in a home or at a small, you know, in a church. And they’ve been doing it for years. And it’s not like that. I understand, folks. There’s a lot of counties out there. That’s not what’s happening. Okay. In my county, Arapaho, it is totally overrun by the Davidians. And they will not listen. They do not care. They only know they hate Brita. The head, the chair of my county, okay, after the state central committee, without Britta’s approval, he went around her and delivered the news to the Secretary of State for Colorado.
SPEAKER 10 :
The results.
SPEAKER 14 :
The results, which had not been confirmed at all. By the way, there were no numbers on that. That vote hadn’t happened. But he said, we are out of the primary.
SPEAKER 10 :
Right. And we’re not.
SPEAKER 14 :
Okay, well, you’ve got somebody like him running many counties around the state right now. Look, here’s the bottom line. We are the biggest mess because of the system. The system is a system that we’re, and we’re the only show that I know of that lets people know, do you realize that well under 1% of Colorado Republicans attend the meetings that choose all the leadership for Colorado Republicans?
SPEAKER 10 :
Nobody else does. I wish, and some of you listen to my program, I wish some of you would start talking about it more because I think the more we can gather together as hosts even and start spreading the news along these lines, the better off we all are because I don’t think the majority of voters, you know, Republican voters in this state really understand what we’re talking about.
SPEAKER 14 :
No. And by the way, what does the Rage Brigade say in response? Well, everybody is free to come to those caucuses.
SPEAKER 10 :
Yeah, that’s total BS. Sorry, it is. I’m calling BS on that one.
SPEAKER 14 :
But over 99% of the market has said, we don’t want this product. Your product is caucus and assembly, right? That’s your product. We want to choose our leadership in a different way, okay? And by the way, there are other ways that you can choose your leaders. They’re saying… Over 99% of the market is saying, we don’t want your product. But this little group is saying, if you don’t want that product, you’re a bad Republican. You’re not grassroots.
SPEAKER 10 :
It’s because it’s their way of staying in power, folks.
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Because they can stay in power because they can’t win primaries.
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And we are back. Myself, Andy Pate, Rush to Reason, Denver’s Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560. Okay, so Andy, how do we change the system we have? What’s the steps that would have to be taken to change the system we have?
SPEAKER 14 :
Well, getting rid of caucus, you mean?
SPEAKER 10 :
Yes.
SPEAKER 14 :
Oh. Oh, golly. I’m not even sure how the party can opt out of caucus at this point.
SPEAKER 10 :
It would have to have a major change in its bylaws and so on, correct?
SPEAKER 14 :
Yeah, it would. It would have to be a major bylaws change. I would assume that in this state law, I mean, my goodness, maybe we’d have to have a referendum passed statewide, you know, at least redefining caucus and not using it to choose leadership. I’m not against caucus, by the way. The thing I love about caucus is it gets the quote unquote grassroots involved. It is an opportunity to come together at a place and connect with the party and learn about the party. That’s great. The problem is when they set it up so that it chooses your leaders going forward because it chooses the people who go to assembly. And those people choose your leaders. When they set that up, it became a power play. And that’s the problem. Okay.
SPEAKER 10 :
Makes sense.
SPEAKER 14 :
You know, getting back to what we were saying, though, with what the party has to do to start winning. All right. Once again, we have to stop. We have to commit. All of us commit to stop what we’re doing right now and change. OK, because what we’re doing right now is we spend 23 months attacking each other and then try to unite in the last month before an election.
SPEAKER 10 :
Which doesn’t work.
SPEAKER 14 :
There’s literally no chance. That is like trying to be a farmer who does absolutely nothing with his field and then tries to bring in a harvest. He hasn’t even planted seeds.
SPEAKER 10 :
Yeah, exactly. You didn’t plant, you didn’t weed, you didn’t fertilize, you didn’t water, you didn’t do anything. But you want to go out and harvest.
SPEAKER 14 :
Exactly. So what is the planning, the watering and all that? John, it is. First of all, you’ve got everybody in our state. Every Republican in our state should be equipped with quick, easy, thought provoking questions that they can ask on every single topic or on a wide range of topics right away just to get people thinking. Let me give you another quick example. OK, health care. That’s a big one right now. And right now, the Democrats are winning that war of words on health care. They’re making us look like we want to keep people’s health care away. Why? Even though Obamacare is what caused all the problems. Okay. Here’s what I would lead with. I don’t want you paying for anything you don’t choose. Okay. Notice once again, I’m putting the customer first. I don’t want you paying for anything you don’t choose. Right. Oh, well, that sounds good. But what about losing health care? Yeah, and then you can get into the numbers. Well, actually, do you know what health care costs before Obamacare and since? It’s gone up like a couple hundred percent because of Obamacare, because it made you pay for a bunch of things that you don’t use. That’s why it costs so much. That’s why your deductibles are through the roof. Hey, would you like to see what the deductibles were before Obamacare and now? You’re going to be shocked. You won’t believe they were ever that low. OK, but you can’t get into giving people all that information. Right. That because at that point you’re reading off talking points, but you can’t get to the talking points. They don’t want to hear the talking points. If you don’t start, if the first words out of your mouth, don’t put them first. Once again, we’re talking about sales anytime.
SPEAKER 10 :
And for those of you that maybe are are thinking about running or you’re now running, maybe you’re listening to us and you’re one of our candidates or whatever the case may be. Drop the word I or me from your vocabulary. No longer say it’s going to be you. It’s going to be we. It’s going to be us. It’s never I or me. From this point forward, drop those two words from your vocabulary, period.
SPEAKER 14 :
Yeah, because I always tell people, look, we have to sell liberty, right? And what do they always say back? I sell liberty all the time. No, no, no. You demand it and you lecture on it.
SPEAKER 10 :
You don’t sell it. You just said I. Yeah. I sell liberty. No, you don’t.
SPEAKER 14 :
You see, you demand your liberties. I want my gun. I deserve to have my gun. Well, by the way, you’re right. You do.
SPEAKER 10 :
You do. I’m not arguing that, but that’s not how you sell it.
SPEAKER 14 :
Yeah, but you’re not selling it, you see?
SPEAKER 10 :
Well, Andy, I go back to, not to interrupt, but I go back to the whole, this is the problem we have in politics in general, but it’s really bad here in Colorado. The lion’s share of people that are in charge of the party right now in Colorado have never sold anything in their life. Even those that run businesses are probably in businesses where there’s really very little sales involved. In other words, they’ve never worked retail. They’ve never had that customer come in and wonder, what should I buy? And how do you sell them something at the end of the day? And the old saying is a sale doesn’t happen until the customer says no. That’s the real meaning of a sale, by the way. Until the customer says no, it’s a transaction. We have far too many people that even do run businesses that are transaction type businesses and they’re not salesmen. Right. That’s the problem we have.
SPEAKER 14 :
Whenever I tell people and I speak on messaging, right, and I do a thing called selling liberty, I always talk about guns, okay? Because what you just said, they’ve never had to sell anything. But you know what? We’ve all been to places where nobody sold to us. We’ve all been to places where the salesmen were not engaged, where they weren’t doing their job, and we wound up across the street buying next door. That’s right. Okay. We know what bad sales is like. Okay, let’s look at selling Liberty because I got news for you folks. Liberty is the Republican’s product. That’s the product we have to sell. We don’t have free stuff. That’s their product. And that free stuff is stolen from other people. Right. Producers. Right. Okay, so they will steal from others to buy votes with free stuff. That’s their product. Okay? Your product is liberty. And if you’re thinking, well, that won’t sell as well as theirs. No, no, it does, but you haven’t been selling it. You’ve been demanding and lecturing. So real quick on guns. Okay? Complete this phrase for me, John. If you want my gun, you’re going to have to take it from my…
SPEAKER 10 :
Cold dead hands.
SPEAKER 14 :
Exactly. I’m demanding my liberty. I’m demanding for me. This is what I want. I deserve this. Now, by the way, are you lying?
SPEAKER 10 :
No.
SPEAKER 14 :
No, you’re right. If they want your gun, and by the way, I say the same thing. You’re going to have to take it from my cold dead hand. But I’m not selling. I’m demanding it, okay? Next thing, what if I start with the lecture, okay? So you don’t lead with the demand. You lead with the lecture. Now, when you lead with the demand, they feel like the bad guy, okay? They feel like, You’re making demands. You’re basically saying, you’re trying to keep this from me. You want to get my gun. You want to take my gun. You’re treating them as, how many customers want to feel like the bad guy?
SPEAKER 10 :
None.
SPEAKER 14 :
Okay, now let’s make them sound stupid. Okay, so you lead with the lecture instead. And you say, let me tell you about guns. Did you know that gun-free zones have a much larger percentage of mass shootings? Did you know that all the major cities that have the strictest gun laws have the most gun crime? the lecture which they don’t like either right are you making them feel like the smart guy or the dumb guy the dumb guy right because you’re talking down to them you’re not selling right okay you when you sell and listen closely folks when you sell anywhere in life you lead by putting their needs first not your demands not your lecture so here’s what i say i want you and your kids to be as safe as possible period Well, but you haven’t explained the guns. I know. I’ve given them what they want. And guess what? They’re going to like that. So I say, I want you and your children to be as safe as possible, period. Our right to carry guns helps make that happen. Now, are they going to agree right away? No, but guess what? That opened a door. Now they’re going to look at me and say, what do you mean? Oh. How can you say that? Oh, guess what they just did? They opened the door to my lecture. Now I can give them the facts and figures and so forth. You see, I put their needs first, and you can do that on every single topic. Go ahead.
SPEAKER 10 :
I created an example of that the other day. I was talking to an individual, knew this person was very much on the left just from some of the conversations that we had had, and somehow we got to talking about schools. And he’s got a daughter that is in school. And so something was brought up about how, you know, something to the effect of – I’ve got to make sure I say this correctly. But basically something got brought up about test scores in America.
SPEAKER 14 :
Okay.
SPEAKER 10 :
And he was kind of relating it to his kid and how good she’s doing and he’s proud of her and she’s trying to figure out where to go to college, this, that, and the other. But somehow the test score thing – actually came up and I said, yeah, I said, overall, our test scores are really pretty bad. We are way down. We’re like, like number 40 of nations when we should be like number one or two with the money that we actually spend. His comment was, yeah, you know what? You got a point. And then he said something to the effect of, of we, we got into this topic of, well, but you know, these test scores are in a lot of cases, you know, some of these kids are getting, you know, four plain O’s and they’re this, that, and the other. And I’m like, Yeah. I said, but here’s the thing to remember. It’s not the same 4.0 you and I had when we were kids because they’ve dumbed everything down. So that 4.0 today that your daughter is even getting, by the way, is more like a 3.0 that you and I had to get back in the day. So keep in mind that even with… the test scores and where we’re at as nations are concerned, it’s actually worse than you think because we’re actually dumbing down some of the things that we actually have criteria for A’s, B’s, and C’s. And when I told him that, he’s like, you can see this light bulb go off. He’s like, oh, I never thought about that. And he says, well, he said, do you think there’s pockets where it’s different? I said, sure, there’s always going to be pockets around the country or maybe there’s a school that does a little better than another. But overall… All in all, the public school system in America sucks. I said, we’re spending far too much money. There’s far too much admin, far too much teacher union involvement, far too much nonsense that goes on. And at the end of the day, the kids are the ones that are suffering. Your kid.
SPEAKER 14 :
But John, I know you. I know that your basic lead-in, or at least somewhere in that, it depends, you know, sometimes the conversation just starts right there with the talking points, and so you go into it. But your lead-in basically is you deserve better. Right. Okay, look, you’re not getting the bang for the buck, okay?
SPEAKER 10 :
And that’s probably how, I think that’s exactly how the conversation got started was, because we got to talking about property taxes and how expensive it is, and then his kids going to school, and it all just kind of led into one another.
SPEAKER 14 :
Right. If you were talking about property taxes, that means you were talking about the money they’re putting in and you’re not getting the bang for that buck.
SPEAKER 10 :
Correct.
SPEAKER 14 :
You deserve better.
SPEAKER 10 :
Correct. And by the time it was funny, the customer pretty hardcore lefty that by the time we were done talking about schools was looking at it like, oh, oh, I never really thought about it that way.
SPEAKER 14 :
A lot of what you’re doing also when you put the customer first is not only are you helping create interest, because that’s what you do. The moment you put them first, they then have a question mark. They want to know more.
SPEAKER 10 :
That’s right. And they’re going to ask more.
SPEAKER 14 :
Right.
SPEAKER 10 :
So be ready to answer that, by the way. Be trained up on this.
SPEAKER 14 :
But guess what? You’re also doing something else. you’re dispelling a myth about conservatives that we don’t care.
SPEAKER 10 :
Right.
SPEAKER 14 :
Because that’s the myth. We don’t care.
SPEAKER 10 :
No, in fact, I did say it, Gary, because for what we’re spending, I think we should be number one or two in the world. We should be number one, actually. For what we spend, we should be number one.
SPEAKER 14 :
Once again. You’re basically saying you deserve better.
SPEAKER 10 :
I care. I want to see our kids be number one.
SPEAKER 14 :
Exactly.
SPEAKER 10 :
Not number 43 or whatever the number is.
SPEAKER 14 :
Right. So if you lead in on every single topic talking about what they deserve, back to roads, you deserve more lanes, fewer holes. Okay. Guess what? That’s four words. I think we can all memorize four words. We can do this.
SPEAKER 10 :
Right.
SPEAKER 14 :
Okay. You deserve more lanes, fewer holes for your money. For the money you’re paying in taxes, you deserve better roads.
SPEAKER 10 :
The funniest thing about this particular person, Andy, is by the time I got done talking about that and something came up about cars because I’m a car guy. So then EVs came up and I talked about how basically force versus freedom on EVs and that the free market didn’t handle EVs at all. A government forced it. In fact, not a single manufacturer had to run any real ads when it came to EVs. And by the time I was all done with it, he’s like, man, he’s like, I never really thought about any of it that way. He’s like, you’re exactly right.
SPEAKER 14 :
But here’s the thing. obviously that’s cars you’re an expert you are one of the top you might be the top expert in the entire state on that topic you’re certainly in the top three okay you’re probably and i’m not right but you’re probably correct yes right but you’re also a salesman so many people who have john rush’s knowledge on a different issue let’s say it’s their big issue education or it’s their big issue energy or whatever right They lead with the talking points and wind up making the other person feel stupid. But John Rush happens to be a natural salesman. You’ve been all your life. You do sales. So you lead in a way. You don’t even have to think about it, but I have to teach others to think about it. You have to put the needs of the customer first in your lead-in.
SPEAKER 10 :
Otherwise, you’re not going to sell anything.
SPEAKER 14 :
Right, because guess what, John? Do you have 30 minutes to hook somebody or do you have 15 seconds?
SPEAKER 10 :
30 at most.
SPEAKER 14 :
Yeah, 15 to 30 seconds.
SPEAKER 10 :
That’s about it.
SPEAKER 14 :
The first things out of your mouth must put their needs first. That creates the question mark. Then they’ll want to hear your talking points. Don’t lead with the talking points. Now you make them feel stupid.
SPEAKER 10 :
In fact, one of the first things in the rule of sales is, and this is for all of you, again, as politicians, as you start talking to people on a one-on-one basis, is number one, which we didn’t even get into, but it’s kind of given for us, but it isn’t for a lot of people that aren’t in sales. You have to ask their permission to even speak to them.
SPEAKER 14 :
Oh, yeah.
SPEAKER 10 :
Hey, Andy, you know what? I’d like to talk to you about a couple of things. Have you got a minute where I can do that?
SPEAKER 14 :
Right. Right? Right.
SPEAKER 10 :
You know, I’d like to talk to you about X, Y, Z. Do you have a couple of minutes, and I’ll explain a few things to you that you probably never have heard before, and I’d like just a couple of minutes of your time if you’d allow that.
SPEAKER 14 :
Okay, now let’s take a step back. With everything we see online, and I know we’ve got to go to break.
SPEAKER 10 :
You’re fine. Take your time.
SPEAKER 14 :
With everything we see online, John, how much do you see us shooting at each other in the 20 months, and how much do you see us doing what you and I just described for the last 15 minutes, selling our views to other people?
SPEAKER 10 :
Andy, it’s 100 to 0. I’m sorry to say it that way, but it’s 100 to 0. In other words, we don’t do any of what you and I just said, and yet we shoot darts all day long.
SPEAKER 14 :
Right. We had a guy on earlier talking about Ben. He was talking about inflation. What if we led by saying every dollar government gives away makes your dollar worth less? Okay. And so, by the way, and, you know, Trump blew it on selling inflation because he told people he was going to bring their prices down.
SPEAKER 10 :
Never should have said that.
SPEAKER 14 :
No, no, no, no, no. I’m going to bring your inflation down. That’s what he should have said.
SPEAKER 10 :
He should have said that. I’m going to stabilize prices, bring inflation down. That’s what he could have said.
SPEAKER 14 :
While your wages rise.
SPEAKER 10 :
That’s right.
SPEAKER 14 :
Which, by the way, he’s achieving.
SPEAKER 10 :
But he didn’t say it that way.
SPEAKER 14 :
No, he didn’t.
SPEAKER 10 :
That’s the problem. And it’s a mistake he made. And he’s a pretty good salesperson. Somehow, someway, he— He blew that. Yeah, his ego got ahead of him. I hate to say this, but he thought, oh, yeah, I’ll get— And here’s what I think he thought. He thought by lowering fuel prices, which he’s done, he thought automatically everything else would come down overnight. The problem is the Fed isn’t participating, and he knew that going in. He should have known that because they’re doing everything they possibly can to keep prices up.
SPEAKER 14 :
And also, prices can never go back to where they were.
SPEAKER 10 :
Why?
SPEAKER 14 :
Because everywhere you go buy things, folks, I don’t care where it is. Everywhere you go, the employees there are now making more than they were before.
SPEAKER 10 :
They have to. It can’t go backwards, folks.
SPEAKER 14 :
Everybody’s wages. Now, did wages go up as much as inflation during Biden? No.
SPEAKER 10 :
But they still went up. Simple law of economics is, and this is something a lot of people can’t grasp, you don’t want prices going backwards. That’s called deflation. You don’t want deflation or stagnation. Both of those will wreck and kill an economy. You’re better off with a little bit of inflation than you are going the other directions. And I know that’s hard for a lot of people to understand because you all want to go back in time to where a candy bar cost a quarter. We’re never going back there, folks. That’s not happening.
SPEAKER 14 :
Well, all you got to ask people is this. Would you like to get a raise? Yeah. Okay. If everybody had a job, if most people at a job get a raise, aren’t they going to have to charge more for the product?
SPEAKER 10 :
Yes.
SPEAKER 14 :
That’s not a bad thing.
SPEAKER 10 :
No. Okay. It’s not.
SPEAKER 14 :
Yeah. One last thing here on the economy.
SPEAKER 10 :
You’re fine.
SPEAKER 14 :
This lead-in, folks, you can use it with everyone. It’s so simple on the economy. I want you to have an economy people run to, not from. Now, by the way… I want you making money. Yeah, New York City just elected a communist. Now, they were going to anyway because of, let’s face it, it’s overrun by crazies. True. I mean, New York is overrun by America-hating crazies. However, what if every Republican in that area had been leading with this line, I want you to have an economy people run to, not from. Okay, nobody can disagree with that. And then you just say, well, people run from socialist countries to capitalist, from blue states to red, and from urban areas to outlying areas. Everywhere. It’s a guarantee. So this guy coming in, Mamdani, wants to create the very system that everybody is fleeing. I think you deserve better. Okay, now if you do that lead-in, notice you’re not leading in by saying, you know, none of his stuff will work. He’s a kook. He’s an idiot. He’s dreaming. The rich are just going to leave because they hate you, which, by the way, is just reminding them how much they hate the rich. You see what I mean? This is all, and talking down about him. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. You should have said everything John Rush says with roads, you deserve more. Everything John Rush says with cars, you deserve more. Lead with what matters to them. It’ll make a difference. We’re not doing that.
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SPEAKER 03 :
You’re listening to an encore segment of Rush to Reason with John Rush on KLZ 560.
SPEAKER 05 :
Call in to the KLZ studio line, 303-477-5600. Now, back to Rush to Reason.
SPEAKER 14 :
And welcome back to Rush to Reason, Denver’s Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560. You know, John, right now a lot of people… Republicans in Colorado aren’t talking at all about how to win voters during this 20 months. We’re in the 20 right now.
SPEAKER 10 :
Right.
SPEAKER 14 :
Okay. All they’re talking about is the candidates. And you want to know why? Because they want a candidate to swoop in and save them and fix this.
SPEAKER 10 :
Right. Okay.
SPEAKER 14 :
So I didn’t water. I didn’t plant water, weed, seed or whatever. But I want fed. I want fed. I want fed. So I want to get some candidate who comes in in the last few months and makes it all better.
SPEAKER 10 :
It’s all about me. Which I get. OK, you’re you’re a voter. I understand all that. The problem, though, with some of you that are in that realm is you’re more than just a voter. I’m giving you some kudos here because you have influence. You are involved in the party. You are doing things that the average voter doesn’t do. You’re paying attention to what’s happening pre primary, which, again, a lot of voters don’t do. So kudos to you. You are more involved in the average. That’s good. But take off the me hat. It’s not about you. It’s about the state itself, and it’s not just you. Please, for the love of God, it’s not you.
SPEAKER 14 :
No, it isn’t. You know, John, I don’t care about the candidates right now.
SPEAKER 10 :
I don’t care about any of them, to be honest with you, because my feeling is they’ll all get weeded down to two or three as we get towards the primary end of things, and that’s what will happen between now and then, and why get too bent out of shape about a particular candidate right now, Andy?
SPEAKER 14 :
Exactly.
SPEAKER 10 :
That’s my feeling.
SPEAKER 14 :
The secret to 24, 20-4 that I talk about, the 20 months and the four months, is in the 20, we should be moving voters, and we should be doing it by selling to the customer like you and I have been talking about for the last half hour. Now, let’s move to the four, and this part’s easy, okay? Once you’ve spent the 20 moving voters more your way in every single district across the state, Then what do you do in the four? You pick the most conservative candidate who can win.
SPEAKER 13 :
Right.
SPEAKER 14 :
But wait a minute. It’s not just the most conservative candidate who can win, but the most conservative candidate who can win in the setting you’ve influenced.
SPEAKER 10 :
Correct.
SPEAKER 14 :
So you see a lot of people when they hear most conservative candidate who can win, they say, well, yeah, but you’re just wanting moderates and we’re just going to get more liberal, more liberal. You know what? They’re partly right, because in the past, if we don’t do anything during the 20s, Because the Democrats are doing it. They’re doing it using media, academia, and big tech and all these. They are moving the populace. We can move it, but we just aren’t. We aren’t selling. If we don’t do that, then that means every two years we’re going to have to get more and more liberal candidates who can win in that setting because we didn’t influence it. So I’m saying, no, no, no. Don’t just go grab the nearest moderate. Get the most conservative who can win in the setting you’ve influenced. In other words, what were you doing during the 20? But if you haven’t influenced that setting at all and you want to take Scott Bottoms and sell him statewide, a guy who I love, who would sell to me and you, we would elect him in a heartbeat. I would love my values. Right. But if you haven’t spent those 20 months changing that electorate to where they’re going to want to elect Scott Bottoms, can you nominate him? OK, so here’s the key in the four months. You must come together and honestly assess this district, that state, wherever, right? And say, how far did we move the electorate? How good did we do at seeding, watering, weeding, harvesting, so forth? How good of a job did we do? Don’t even look at the candidate yet. How good of a job did we do? Where is the market right now? Then choose a candidate who can win that. And then rally behind that. Then you’ve got to unite behind that candidate. And guess what? After election night, rinse and repeat. You have a new 20 months. Go right back to winning people over to your side and moving them our way.
SPEAKER 10 :
What do you think? Yeah, and I’ll add one more thing to that strategy, and some of you aren’t going to like hearing this, but this is exactly what the Democrats do. We know we’re in a very deep blue state in Colorado.
SPEAKER 14 :
Right now.
SPEAKER 10 :
You are going to have to initially have some candidates that are probably a little bit more left-leaning than what a lot of us would like. Now, that doesn’t mean it has to stay that way forever because this is how the left does it. They want to be super far left. But they’ll run some moderate lefties that even have some conservative bents here and there that maybe want to put a cap on abortion for the last trimester and things like that. Even though they don’t believe in that, they’ll put up with that in a candidate knowing that if we can get our shoe in, get our foot in the door, guess what? The next candidate can be a little bit more liberal and a little bit more liberal and a little bit more liberal. We’ll just move that needle, Andy, a little teeny bit at a time. We don’t do that. We want all or nothing. That’s our problem. Yeah.
SPEAKER 14 :
Yeah, one thing, I actually do a seminar called 20-4. And in that, I describe the difference between Democrats and Republicans, which you just described perfectly. See, the Democrats had Joe Manchin forever in West Virginia. Think about that. West Virginia, Trump won that as big as anywhere in the country.
SPEAKER 10 :
But they still had Joe Manchin there.
SPEAKER 14 :
They had Joe Manchin. Why? Because they said, this is who can win for our side.
SPEAKER 10 :
This is the only person that we can have with a D next to his name that can win for us and still probably vote 80% of the time with us, and he did.
SPEAKER 14 :
Right. They have a Fetterman in Pennsylvania. But when we have somebody who, let’s say, who won in the 8th here, the 8th district?
SPEAKER 10 :
Uh, Evans. Evans.
SPEAKER 14 :
Gabe Evans. And who, and then who won in the third? I’m sorry. I’m spacing everybody.
SPEAKER 10 :
Heard.
SPEAKER 14 :
Heard. Jeff Heard. Okay. Jeff Heard has come out and said a couple inflammatory things that were not, that were not right wing enough. Right. Okay. He, he did a vote that I didn’t agree with and so forth. He’s made a couple of mistakes. Okay. Their side, they look at that and say, yes, good. That’ll hook more people in the middle. They think strategically because they say, we know that that district is not so blue. That we can do better than that.
SPEAKER 10 :
That’s right.
SPEAKER 14 :
Our side, the second one of ours, lets us down. What do we want? Primary.
SPEAKER 10 :
Get rid of them. Get rid of them. You’re done. You’re out of here. You’re not doing what we want. You’re done.
SPEAKER 14 :
Yeah.
SPEAKER 10 :
And really quick, by the way, it’s only the hardcore rhino watch group that will say that. The rest of the party isn’t saying that, but that group is, and they’re the ones claiming they want their head.
SPEAKER 14 :
Right. Unfortunately, they have the power to do so. They own more than half the state leadership.
SPEAKER 10 :
So they have the power to do so. Right. And they run caucus.
SPEAKER 14 :
And they run caucus. It’s a disaster. Okay.
SPEAKER 10 :
Agree.
SPEAKER 14 :
Ultimately, we need a better system than we have with this caucus. But look, that’s a big difference. The Democrats think strategically they want to win. We think with rage.
SPEAKER 10 :
Yeah. And we have this all or nothing mentality. I keep saying that and I mean it because we don’t know how to sell. We don’t know how to win. We don’t know how to chip away at things. We are that, you know, I’m either going to get all or nothing or I’m taking my ball and I’m going home. If I can’t, you know, get a strike or if I can’t get a home run, by the way, and it’s a strike instead, if I get that every single time, I’m just going to take my ball and go. I’m not playing the game anymore.
SPEAKER 14 :
Exactly. And one big reason is understandable, and that’s this. Everybody on the right says, but my liberties have been getting eroded more and more year by year for the last few decades. You’re right. I can’t give anymore. I don’t want to give anymore. I’m tired of compromising.
SPEAKER 10 :
And by the way— I can’t argue that.
SPEAKER 14 :
We’ve had some moderate candidates who were mushy, didn’t show the difference between left and right, and they got blown out too. Bob Beaupre, okay? Mm-hmm. And they say those aren’t good either.
SPEAKER 10 :
And I understand the frustration, Andy. I get the mental side of this. They’re sad to see some of those things eroded. I understand that, folks. But the reality is you can’t get it back overnight. They didn’t erode overnight. You’re not going to get them back overnight. I hate to say it that way, Andy, but that’s the truth.
SPEAKER 14 :
Yeah. And by the way, John, you’re sure as hell not going to get it back if you don’t spend the 20 starting to sell your views. Yeah.
SPEAKER 10 :
Golden Eagle Financial coming up next. Al did a great interview of late. Listen in. Remember, you can call Al. You can find him at klzradio.com.
SPEAKER 06 :
This is TJ with KLZ Radio here with Golden Eagle Financial and Al Smith once again. Al, how are you today? I’m great, TJ. How are you? I am doing well. I was just thinking today, Al, how do people find happiness in their retirement? You must have some pretty neat stories about the way that people have gone into retirement. What are some of those?
SPEAKER 08 :
Well, I do. We can’t squeeze them into this short time, but one of the things I have found is that people who find their purpose in retirement experience a much more fulfilling and happy retirement, a way to give back. It might be volunteering. It might be going on mission trips. It might be tutoring children, things of that nature.
SPEAKER 06 :
What are some ways that people can prepare for that, Al? How do people get ready for that retirement when they’re earlier on before they approach that?
SPEAKER 08 :
Well, I think what people need to do is think in terms of what they really enjoy doing. A gentleman I had on my show a week or so ago has been heavily involved in Gideon’s International, where he gives away Bibles to not only hotels, which is what they’re thought of, but also to high school students and so forth. So by getting involved in these things before retirement, it is a smooth transition then going into retirement. because then you can devote more time to what it is you love.
SPEAKER 06 :
So cool the way that you help folks get to that point, Alan. And if somebody’s here right now and they want to figure out what they want to do in retirement, how do they get in touch with you?
SPEAKER 08 :
You can reach me at 303-744-1128. Or if you’re in the car, contact KLZ and they will get in touch with me and we’ll sit down and have a conversation.
SPEAKER 06 :
Excellent. As always, you can find Al Smith of Golden Eagle Financial on klzradio.com slash money. Al, thanks for joining us today.
SPEAKER 08 :
You’re welcome, TJ. Thanks for having me.
SPEAKER 03 :
This is an encore of Rush to Reason with John Rush on KLZ 560.
SPEAKER 05 :
Listen online, klzradio.com. Back to Rush to Reason.
SPEAKER 10 :
All right, talking about Colorado GOP and just where we’re at strategically speaking. How do we win? How do we change some things around and so on? And the reality is I understand people’s frustrations. Andy and I were talking about this through the break a moment ago. People are mad. I get it. They’re frustrated. I get it. Unfortunately, and by the way, there’s a lot of these people that are very loyal to their conservative movement in Colorado and nationwide. They’re great people. And by the way, those aren’t the people that I’m really getting after here. It’s the grifters that understand our system and know how they can overtake it and know that they can actually talk in a way to get those people on their side. Yes. person that is in the trenches that’s genuine and really wants to see what’s best for Colorado, those are the people, by the way, that I feel sorry for and really want to reach out to because they’re being duped by those Rhino Watch leaders that are out there because all those people care about is power.
SPEAKER 14 :
Right, and they know how to get it, and here’s the simple path to power, okay? Every liberty person listening to me right now, here’s what’s happened to you. Over the last couple decades, you have had your liberties cut, cut, cut, cut, cut, little by little by little by little, and what has happened is growing up inside of you is rage.
SPEAKER 10 :
Right.
SPEAKER 14 :
You are enraged at having your liberties curtailed more and more and more and more in what is supposed to be a free country. And along come these grifters who know how to play on your rage.
SPEAKER 10 :
And I said this before, but I’ll keep saying it. One of the ways that I have to prove that everything Andy and I are saying is correct is this whole Rhino Watch thing. Don’t go to the website because I’m not advertising for them. But they have this wall of shame that they put people like Andy and I on that are very much against them because for some odd reason, I guess it’s how they get their jollies. I don’t know. Whatever.
SPEAKER 14 :
Yeah.
SPEAKER 10 :
Bottom line, Andy and I yet, in the past 18 months to two years of talking about them and how bad they are and what they’re evil and this, that, and the other, out of all of that, not once have we made that wall. And here’s my premise as to why. It gives us too much credence.
SPEAKER 14 :
Yeah, they don’t.
SPEAKER 10 :
They don’t want to acknowledge we even exist, because if they did, and people that are actually their followers, these people I talked about a moment ago that are in our trenches that actually read this garbage, if they actually saw what Andy and I were saying, and they actually then went and listened to one of the podcasts that were actually talking about them, which, by the way, they would post up if they really wanted to do this correctly. They would put that up on the Rhino Watch website. And the reason they won’t is because somebody might actually listen and say, oh, wait a minute. These guys are right. Wow. They have seen right through what’s going on. So my point is, we’re right just in the simple fact they won’t put us on the wall of shame. Right. Because it gives us too much credence and somebody might actually listen to us and follow us versus them and they don’t want that, Andy.
SPEAKER 14 :
No, it’s true. They want to act like we don’t exist. It’s kind of funny because I got news for you folks. They very much know we do.
SPEAKER 10 :
Oh, absolutely they do. Absolutely they do.
SPEAKER 14 :
We get their texts.
SPEAKER 10 :
Oh, yes. We know they exist. But at the end of the day, that’s why they won’t do these things I mentioned a moment ago is because they know at the end of the day, they may actually lose support when it’s all said and done. So there’s no way they’re putting us in that position, Andy.
SPEAKER 14 :
Let’s close out this hour by sounding more hopeful.
SPEAKER 10 :
Okay.
SPEAKER 14 :
Okay. I know, folks, that we’ve been saying this is not working, this is not working, and this is why. And by the way- It’s not. It isn’t. No. Because all we’re doing is shooting at each other and selling to no one. Right. Okay? I mean- That’s right. We’re trying to harvest without bringing in a harvest. Okay. Folks, here’s the good news. Your product, Liberty-
SPEAKER 10 :
It does. It sells all day long.
SPEAKER 14 :
People love it. I want you to look at teenagers, okay? You probably think, teenagers, my gosh, they all want to vote for Mamdadi. Yes, they do, because we don’t sell. You tell a teenager that you are going to tell them what kind of phone they’re going to have, and they don’t get to choose it at the store. You tell a teenage girl you are going to choose what she has to wear, and she doesn’t get to go to the mall and pick it out. You tell a teenage guy, you’re going to tell him what team he’s going to root for, and he doesn’t get to choose it. Let me tell you something, folks. Young people love liberty. Liberty sells beautifully to them. But the problem is we demand it, we lecture on it, we don’t sell it. If we change this, if we start spending the first 20 months of every election cycle selling, yeah, it doesn’t happen right away. But over two, three election cycles, you will see Colorado move back our way. But because of our rage, we’re too angry to do it. And that’s what we’ve got to set aside. What do you think?
SPEAKER 10 :
No, you’re right. And again, we’ve got a couple minutes left here before we go to our last break and then end up this hour. Bottom line, and I know we spent a lot of time on this, but we’re going to continue to do so because hopefully, eventually, somebody will continue to hear this message, pass that along, start realizing that, wait a minute, you know what? These guys are right. We continue to lose. We’re not gaining any ground. Yet the people that are running the party seem to be doing fine financially speaking, and there’s no accountability of any way, shape, or form when it comes to the way we do things. This whole caucus thing, you know what? These guys are right. I see the same faces, the same people.
SPEAKER 14 :
Yeah.
SPEAKER 10 :
The same houses, the same everything. Good people. Good people, but nothing’s really changing. We’re not gaining any ground when it comes to reaching that middle-of-the-road voter that we need so drastically to win here in Colorado. We’re doing nothing to actually reach those individuals. Gosh, these guys don’t sound as loony as everybody says they are.
SPEAKER 14 :
Yeah. Maybe we could start selling and stop shooting inside the tent.
SPEAKER 10 :
And another thing I’ll say, too, along these lines, knowing that what Andy and I are saying in a lot of cases is true, even through all of the Facebook wars that go on with the different candidates and the people that are shooting and so on, our name’s never brought up once again. Given the fact that people do, in fact, know who we are, we are not that obscure. Trust me. We are in the top slot in the metro area, four-state region. And, by the way, have been here longer than anybody else has in this slot, including all the sports stations in town. We’ve been here longer. in this time slot than anyone. So trust me, people know who we are and what we’re talking about, especially those that are politically involved. And yet our name in all of what gets slung back and forth is never mentioned.
SPEAKER 14 :
No, it isn’t.
SPEAKER 10 :
And there’s a reason for that.
SPEAKER 14 :
Well, yeah, those who sell rage don’t want you to hear about hope.
SPEAKER 10 :
Correct. Correct. And by the way, that’s not Hope Shuppelman, that’s Hope Hope. Sorry, had to throw that out there. Again, folks, and I can name some of the names of the grifters that I talked about earlier in today’s show, and believe me, There’s a lot of them in Colorado because we have a system. It’s sort of like, think about this for a minute. I think I can explain this quickly enough. In Colorado, we have, I think it’s still up there. I’d have to double check. But for the longest time, we were the number one state for car theft. Because we didn’t do much to punish people. It was easy to steal cars. The reality is we ended up with more car thieves in Colorado, is my prediction, because it became so easy to steal them in the first place. We attracted car thieves with our system. Well, guess what we’ve done in the GOP in Colorado? We have attracted grifters because we’ve made it easy for them to get involved and take over at the end of the day. So we attract grifters nationwide. Yep. That’s what we do in Colorado. And that’s why we have so many of them in the Colorado GOP. We’ll be back here in a moment. Don’t go anywhere. Cub Creek Heat and Air Conditioning. Don’t forget about their membership, which gives you a lot of different perks and things that you don’t get any other way. Ask about that when you call them. Find them at klzradio.com.
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You’re listening to an Encore segment of Rush to Reason with John Rush on KLZ 560.
SPEAKER 10 :
isn’t rage radio this is real relatable radio back to rush to reason all right and we are back wrapping up this hour you know a full hour coming up you’re aware coming your way we’ve actually got we’ve interviewed him before david i think it’s sancio i’m probably i’m saying that last name wrong he’s a cuban american we’ve had him on before and we are talking about socialism and marxism of course it’s now taking over new york city and david will tell us firsthand what that’s like because his belief is Cuban Americans understand that thing, understand that end of things better than anyone else. And by the way, he’s 100% correct because they do get it.
SPEAKER 14 :
They do get it.
SPEAKER 10 :
Look at where they’ve come from. So it’ll be interesting. We’ll have a good conversation with him in just a few minutes. Hang tight. We’ll be back for hour three. Rush to Reason, Denver’s Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560.
SPEAKER 1 :
Thank you.
