In this episode, John Rush engages with Keith Gross, a former prosecutor and author. They traverse through the enthralling yet complicated realm of U.S. governance focusing particularly on the controversial use of the autopen under Joe Biden’s administration. The dialogue explores past and present predicaments in the presidential office while shedding light on the requisite changes needed to safeguard future democratic processes.
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And we are back. Hour number two, Rush to Reason, Denver’s Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560. Our next guest, Keith Gross, joining us now, a legal analyst and former assistant state attorney, prosecutor for the state of Florida, also served in the National Guard, and author of Dirt Roads to Runways, Defending the American Dream for the Next Generation. Keith, welcome. How are you? Doing great. How are you? I’m great. I really appreciate you joining us. And there’s, of course, a lot of conversation going on right now about, you know, the auto pen. And did Joe Biden really know what was being signed? You know, he’s coming out now saying he absolutely said that, you know, everything that was signed was something that he actually, you know, quote unquote, initiated or approved. I frankly, Keith, have a really hard time. believing that. I think for me, though, the problem is how are we going to go back and even prove what he was cognizant of and not?
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You know, it’s interesting to see this sort of thing playing out. Joe Biden recently gave an interview to Fox News where he acknowledged that he didn’t know the details of the names on some of those documents, particularly the pardons that were issued. He said he didn’t actually know all of the names. So I don’t know how you can agree to something if you don’t know what it is that sort of makes that authority that he supposedly delegated invalid. Right. And now to your question, how do you prove it? Well, I’m hopeful that Pam Bondi and the current DOJ is going to run these leads down. They’re going to interview witnesses. They’re going to talk to people who were around at the time and try to gather facts and probably will be able to highlight some inconsistencies since I think we all know this was a silent coup.
SPEAKER 14 :
Yeah, and I don’t disagree with you. I’m not – I’ll just be straight up honest. If anything comes of this as far as pardons being reversed and things along those lines, Keith, I will be extremely shocked. I mean, if it happens, great. I will be shocked. My whole – Thought or maybe goal with this would be, OK, how do we fix this from happening in the future? I get it. There are times when an auto pen is necessary, depending upon what’s being done. You know, for example, there needs to be, you know, 10,000 letters written and you want the signature to look authentic because the president is thanking somebody for something or even groups of individuals and so on. And by the way, I think that’s really what its main intent was for is exactly what I just said a moment ago. It’s not there to fill in for the president when he can’t physically sign something like a pardon. Am I right or wrong in my thought process?
SPEAKER 16 :
I mean, I do believe that was the original intent, but here’s the rub. With the idea of separation of powers, the executive branch gets to manage its own internal affairs. So all of the authority of the executive branch is vested in the executive, i.e. the president. And so just like the Congress, the House and the Senate, they get to create their own rules for how they handle their internal situation. the executive branch gets to make up their own rules. And in the executive branch, that means literally the president gets to decide what the rules are. To that end, I guess what I’m getting at here is it’s not like Congress could pass legislation saying the auto pen can’t be used for significant acts. The best we could hope for is that maybe there are challenges to some of the Biden pardons or other Biden orders that were signed with that auto pen. And by pursuing that challenge, it could disincentivize future presidents from making the decision to use the auto pen because they would know it’s possible for the next guy to come in and challenge it if I use the auto pen.
SPEAKER 14 :
you know what and thank you for that i that was something that really i’ll be honest keith i haven’t really thought of it in the way you just presented it and that makes sense to me and i and i get also very much so talk about all the time the separation of powers and yes i don’t want one interfering with another because i think we then you know water down those separations in the first place so yeah i don’t want that either And yes, and I’m with you. I think it’d be very hard for Congress or anyone to pass a quote unquote law saying that, hey, the auto pen can only be used for X, Y and Z. I think you just stated it very well. The best way to maybe keep this from happening in the future. And by the way, not necessarily with this president could be three presidents from now. I have no idea. But the best way to keep things like this from happening is probably, like you said, challenge what already has happened. So I think twice about doing it again.
SPEAKER 16 :
Exactly, because if you were the president and you were going to issue a bunch of pardons that were meaningful to you, and you know that a few presidents back, they got dragged into court and it was a big fuss, you’d say, I’m just going to sign it myself instead of run that risk.
SPEAKER 14 :
No, you know what? Again, that was something that I’ll be straight up honest, Keith. I hadn’t thought of it that way, and I guarantee you there’s probably not a lot of Americans that have thought about it that way either. And I also will say this. In defense of a lot of people, myself included, I don’t think any of us really realized how much this quote-unquote auto pen gets used until the Biden administration.
SPEAKER 16 :
Yeah, I mean, that’s definitely where it’s come to a head, but that’s because we had a person who was drugged up or asleep or mentally incompetent. I don’t think any of us really know, but the people around him knew. The cabinet knew. They had an obligation under the 25th Amendment to remove Joe Biden from the presidency. They didn’t. They took advantage of the situation, took control of our federal government. and ran a government despite never running for or winning the presidency.
SPEAKER 14 :
No, and I’m not trying to be, you know, mean-spirited here at all. My father has Alzheimer’s and dementia, and he’s in memory care now, Keith, and I will tell you that watching Joe Biden, knowing, you know, my dad and where he was at with things and watching him literally week to week, And I’m not trying to be mean to Joe Biden, but watching the comparisons between the two, Keith, eerily similar. And what I mean by that is there are definitely times even now with my dad where I could probably get him to agree to anything because, frankly, Keith, he doesn’t have any idea what he’s agreeing to.
SPEAKER 16 :
Most states have laws designed to protect elderly people who are suffering from these situations from predatory actions.
SPEAKER 14 :
Correct. Well, like, for example, right now, Keith, with my dad, I am the executor of the estate. I’ve got power of attorney between my sister and I. We’re making all decisions. My dad is not allowed to do anything along those lines, making decisions for himself, of course, rightfully so, Keith, because of what you’re saying. Right.
SPEAKER 16 :
And that’s common sense for most Americans. We understand that some people get to a point where someone else should be making the decisions because they’re just not mentally able to do that.
SPEAKER 14 :
And Joe Biden, by the way, has been, after watching my dad go through this, Keith, and our family watching this firsthand, I’m here to tell you that Joe Biden’s been there for at least two years.
SPEAKER 16 :
Yeah, it was sad to watch, and it was sad for America, because think about the national security danger that placed us in. If there had been a major situation, I mean, I think we’ve all seen reenactments in such high-tensity situations in the Situation Room in the White House when there’s a global conflict happening. I can’t imagine someone with Joe Biden’s mental state manning our Defense Department in that room.
SPEAKER 14 :
So a bigger question I’ve had all along, not just with the auto pen, the pardons, and so on, but my bigger question is, okay, I have my own gut feeling on this, but my question is, who is actually then making key decisions and running things? Was it Jill? Was it Hunter? Was it other family members? Was it cabinet members? Was it a combination of? Those are the questions, Keith, that I really want answered.
SPEAKER 16 :
I think those are the questions that most of America wants answered. And that’s what I hope the current Department of Justice will dig into, because they need to have some serious investigation and interview a lot of witnesses and get to the bottom of that. I mean, I think we should. reasonably expect that it was probably the chief of staff that was ultimately at the top of that pyramid in Joe Biden’s mental absence, where the chief of staff would have been saying, here’s what the president has ordered you to do. And how are we to know if that’s really what happened? Maybe the president didn’t even know the situation existed. Good point. Good point.
SPEAKER 14 :
And so what I have said publicly and I’ll keep saying is I am not as concerned with the auto pen and signatures as to the things you and I just said a moment ago. I’m more concerned about that end of it and digging into that and just knowing who was really making a lot of the decisions. I guess the way I’m saying this, Keith, is the pardons and the signatures of are just sort of the tip of the iceberg of the whole problem. Yes, that’s something we can start digging into, but I want to dig deeper and know more about what else was happening, not just those signatures.
SPEAKER 16 :
Oh, I think we all want to know. I mean, you’ve got to think about how much constitutional power is vested in one person, in the president himself. All of the power of the executive branch and all of the executive branch agencies ultimately flows from one elected president. If that person’s not mentally there and someone else is at the switch, the voters got gypped.
SPEAKER 14 :
Yeah. And again, I’m, I am, I’m always very, how should I say this, I don’t have high expectations, because I understand how the wheels of government work and how slowly things, you know, develop. And I also understand that there’s a lot of things on, you know, the plates of these individuals that have to do these things. And yes, we’ve got a lot of irons in the fire. So I don’t hold a lot of, you know, high expectations. And maybe that’s wrong on my part, Keith.
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Well, sadly, I share that same glim view, I guess, because usually people aren’t held accountable in Washington. That’s why it’s so broken. Let’s hope this time is different. Let’s hope they get to the bottom of this and ensure that this sort of misconduct doesn’t repeat in the future.
SPEAKER 14 :
All right. Talk to us about your book, Dirt Roads to Runways. A, what’s the book about? And B, how do folks buy it?
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Well, it’s available anywhere books are sold. It’s at amazon.com, barnesandnoble.com. It is an audiobook on Audible, and it’s basically an autobiography that walks through growing up in a small town in rural Florida and growing multiple businesses from the ground up to being national companies. I faced government overreach at every step of the way, and it really brought a lot of life lessons on how government should operate and how far off track we’ve gotten since my grandparents’ generation raised my parents. And so… it’s just a look at that, you know, it’s common sense wisdom. And I think if America applied some of that common sense, small town way of thinking, we’d have a much better country than we have today.
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Amen. As a fellow business owner, A, thank you for writing that. I appreciate it. I, like you, have not the exact same story, but similar stories. And I’ve been self-employed since I was 22 years of age. So I get very well what you’re talking about here. And I always appreciate others that have done the same thing and then write about it because that’s how other people can learn. So Keith, thank you very much. You’re in great company, as you can tell. You’re welcome here anytime. Thanks so much. I’d be happy to join. Appreciate it, Keith. Have a great rest of your day, and we’ll have him back in the future. And again, the book, Dirt Roads to Runways, and that’s on Amazon. You can find it there. Al Smith did an interview here of late. Listen in. I’ll be back right after Al at Golden Eagle Financial.
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TJ here with KLZ Radio, and I’ve got Al Smith with me once again. How are you, Al? I’m doing great. How are you, TJ? Doing pretty good. We’ve been talking about retirement and all that kind of stuff, and I was just curious, what do you usually talk about with the folks that come in for retirement planning? What does that mean?
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Well, if somebody’s close to that transition where they’re thinking about their 401k and where do you want to allocate that, where’s the best place to have that invested? And some people who were fortunate enough to have a pension will have a conversation about that, especially if it comes to selecting a survivorship option.
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And how does that fit with life insurance and that kind of thing, with pensions and life insurance?
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If someone takes a big reduction in their pension, that’s what they need to do in order to have a spouse collect part of their pension should they pass on. But that reduction in their pension will only benefit them if the primary worker dies before the spouse. Sometimes people choose life insurance instead. which may not provide quite as much financial benefit, but there’s a certainty that the money will stay in their family.
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And is that always a good idea to do, or how do you help folks make that decision?
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Well, it’s kind of a long conversation to some degree, because if someone has health concerns, then selecting that survivorship option is always a good idea, because it makes it much more likely that your spouse will collect that survivor benefit. On the other hand, sometimes the other spouse may be anticipating an inheritance.
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That is amazing and complicated, and that’s why I lean on you to learn all about the retirement process. Al, thanks so much for joining us today. Well, you’re welcome. Tell folks how to get in touch with you.
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You can reach me at my office, 303-744-1128. If you get voicemail, I return those very quickly.
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Putting reason into your afternoon drive, this is John Rush.
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All right, we are back. Rush to Reason, Denver’s Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560. I was informed yesterday on the text line, and again, I read as many of the text messages as I can, even on air. I don’t get all of them read. Charlie had a great idea yesterday where I will do my best to see if I can’t get this done, and that is to make all… Text messages, and some, of course, we could eliminate depending upon what the question actually is, but make all of them visible where people can go in and just read those messages. And I give responses to almost every text message that we get. And sometimes I might have one slip through the cracks. Some days we get a lot. And they may not be able to respond to all of them. But Charlie had a great idea yesterday. So I’m working on that and see if we can’t get that maybe put into a page on the Web site where you all could read what some of those messages are and how we respond and so on. And again, I do my very best to respond to those. But I had a message that came in yesterday talking about the whole Epstein thing and Donald Trump and the fact that Donald Trump is now supporting a special prosecutor to investigate the Jeffrey Epstein case. And I’m just going to tell you straight up, that’s not true. I cannot find any information to back that up. There’s one article out there on one website that gives mention of this, and I have not found that any other place. So, in light of that, Tuesday, Andy and I are going to run through I’m going to call it the good, the bad, the ugly of folks that are on mainstream media, folks that are on the podcasting influencer and social media end of things. So I’m going to run through, I’ll probably miss some, but I’m going to run through a large majority of what I feel are folks that influence and start some of these quote unquote rumors, which in this case is all it was. And I’m going to do my very best to run through all of those. So here’s what I’m asking you all on the text line. If you know of some that are really good that you follow and you think that they give out pretty solid information and they tend to be right a lot of the time, not right as in on the right, but they’re correct the majority of the time, please send me their name and I’ll add that to the list. On the same token, if you find some that you just know they throw out a lot of what I call clickbait, meaning that they throw stuff out, they’re hoping it sticks, they get a lot of views and likes and looks at and so on because that’s how they make money. You know what? I would like to know who those people are as well. And we’re going to run through as many of those as we can. We’ll take probably an entire hour on Tuesday. Andy and I will. I gave Andy some homework even on that today where he can start researching some of this. For example, I’ll start on the far left. Rachel Maddow, who, by the way, is probably on the top of my list being on the far left and throwing disinformation out from the left. All the way to the far right, Alex Jones, who frankly, yeah, a blind squirrel finds a nut periodically, but he’s about as far right and wrong as Maddow is on the left being wrong. So that’s kind of my example of far left, far right, both of them being extremely wrong the majority of the time. And then I will go to everybody else that fits in between there, and I’ll talk about those on Tuesday. The reason why I brought that up is because this particular article and where this rumor was that Donald Trump supports appointing a special prosecutor, again, I have not read anywhere, any shape, any form that he said this himself. I think there’s some folks out there like the Steve Bannons and Laura Loomers of the world that would like to see this happen, but nowhere have I seen Donald Trump actually admit to or say that he’s actually going to be doing that. And by the way, those are two names that, man alive, there are times where I think they’re spot on, and there’s other times I think they’re absolute wackadoodles. So I’ll just throw that out, and I’ll tell you more about that on Tuesday. And I’m going to give you guys all my opinion on… a lot of these you know quote-unquote you know influencers or folks that are in media and some of them aren’t really in media they’ve got their own website or they’ve got maybe a YouTube channel or they’ve got a tick-tock channel or whatever and they consider themselves a media but they’re really not but they do make money on all of the things that they push out and it’s one thing I constantly remind people of The more sensational they can make something sound, or make it be, I should say, the more views, clicks, likes, and so on they get, and that’s how they make money. And by the way, these people exist not just in politics. They exist on the car sides of things. I follow a lot of them that are in the automotive world. I follow some of them just to see what stupid thing they’re going to say next. I follow some that are on the real estate end of things. I mean, there’s a lot of these folks I follow in a lot of different areas just to see, you know, the pulse of what kind of that that wackadoodle side is saying. I hate to say it that way, but I do because I look at that to determine man alive. I don’t I don’t ever want to be that. I don’t want to be anybody that’s out there just pushing an agenda and pushing something because it gets us more listeners here. It’s not my goal. And I think I can say this proudly. I will say this proudly. And I love all of you that listen. Believe me, I do. And I appreciate all of you listening. And I appreciate the fact that you’re here and that you listen in and that you utilize our sponsors and so on. And I mean that sincerely. But I’m also going to tell you something else sincerely. I don’t have to do this. I don’t have to be here. Monetarily speaking, I don’t have to be here. And I’m not saying that to be a jerk or to be rude or to be proud or anything like that, but I don’t have to be here to make a living. I have that covered in other ways. I do this because I love what I do here. I feel like I’m making a difference on a daily basis. I feel like I’m giving out really good information to a lot of you to where you can really sit down and analyze and think through things reasonably. That’s why the show is Rush to Reason. I want you to reason through things and then come up with your own decisions on certain topics. But I don’t have an agenda to have more listeners because that’s how I make my living. And I think that’s the biggest difference between me, by the way, and even a lot of the other hosts that are in town right now. Not only those that are out on the whole media end of things, social media and so on. Yeah, I like all of you guys and I like you being here and I like you listening to me and so on. But I don’t have to have you to make a living. And by the way, I think that’s what separates me and Andy from a lot of the other hosts and people that are out there is because I can do things differently than everybody else because of that fact. And I do feel like that’s what separates us as a program versus a lot of others because I’m not beholden to anybody. I don’t have to do this every day. In fact, I’ve always said all along, I’ve told my wife this, and I mean this sincerely, when this stops being fun, I’m done. Because I don’t have to be here. But it’s still fun, and I’m still here. It’s 11 years later, and I’m going to keep doing it because I still enjoy it. I still have fun, and I still enjoy talking to all of you, and I enjoy being with Charlie and working with him and all of what we do. So it’s still fun, and I’m going to keep doing it. But my point is I don’t have to. I don’t do this for likes and views and clicks and so on. I do it because I love doing what I do, and I want you all to be more informed today than you were yesterday. So that’s why I keep doing what I do. Dan and Blackhawk, you’re next.
SPEAKER 13 :
Also, since this Epstein thing doesn’t seem to be going away, how long ago, and I mean, I know about him. I watched the show on Netflix or whatever. How long ago was he doing what he was doing?
SPEAKER 14 :
2002 to 2005 is what he was actually, the time frame that he was going to be prosecuted for why he was in jail, I should say. It was 2002 to 2005. Okay, so this is…
SPEAKER 13 :
A question I have, everybody wants these files, whatever, so they can get names, I guess?
SPEAKER 14 :
I guess so, Dan. Yeah, I’ve heard from other listeners to where they want everything released so that they can go through and read things for themselves. And as I’ve even explained on the National Crawford Roundtable, I hate to say this, but for a lot of people, Dan, you’re an accountant, you get this. Most people can’t read a tax return. Most people wouldn’t be able to read these files. It literally would be most people would be like a monkey reading a roadmap.
SPEAKER 13 :
But it… So my question is, if it was that long ago, is that almost 20 years ago?
SPEAKER 14 :
Two decades plus ago. Yes, two decades plus.
SPEAKER 13 :
And I don’t know if most people understand the statute of limitations.
SPEAKER 14 :
Most don’t.
SPEAKER 13 :
Yeah, so even if we get names of people that supposedly went to his island and did inappropriate stuff with minors, which is an atrocity, and I agree that that’s wrong.
SPEAKER 15 :
I agree.
SPEAKER 13 :
You know, that should never have happened.
SPEAKER 15 :
I agree.
SPEAKER 13 :
And, you know, but at the same time, it’s a statute of limitations, and you can’t… I mean, unless they change the law… They couldn’t prosecute these individuals, whoever they are.
SPEAKER 14 :
And in a lot of cases, we even heard – I played this from Dershowitz the other day, Tuesday, Dan, that the simple fact that there’s a lot of these folks that were even in these files that, frankly, are no longer around. They have died. Some of them might still be in office. A lot of them probably are not in office any longer. The reality is – And I’m like you. Yes, I always want justice for anybody that would harm a minor, especially. But, Dan, I think it’s a lot harder. And I just think that finally and I think this is what the DOJ and even Donald Trump have realized that, wow, this is an undertaking and. As Andy said on Tuesday, you know, the chain of command of these documents even, who’s been fussing with them, do we know they’re actually all legit? Has there been anybody that’s been interfering with any of these things? It’s a simple manpower to go through and determine everything I just said. I’m just going to tell you straight up, Dan, we have bigger fish to fry.
SPEAKER 13 :
Right. And so what you’re talking about, the media influencers and podcasters and stuff like that I saw, Is it Levitt? Is she the press secretary?
SPEAKER 14 :
Yeah, that’s the press secretary, absolutely, yes.
SPEAKER 13 :
Yeah, so I saw a little excerpt from her saying that, you know, this is just, and of course they’re always saying Democrats, but I would say liberals drumming up something to, anything they can do to attack Trump and his lack of what they think he’s doing.
SPEAKER 15 :
Right.
SPEAKER 13 :
And, you know, so it’s like there’s a lot going on, And the media, the mainstream media is not covering what’s the positives that are occurring. No. Everything is negative.
SPEAKER 14 :
That’s right.
SPEAKER 13 :
Yeah.
SPEAKER 14 :
And Tuesday, you know, Andy did a fabulous job on Tuesday of literally rattling off a lot of those things. And Bob Duco did it as well in the podcast, rattling off some of the things that you’re talking about in regards to, you know, what all has been accomplished in the past six months. How about we focus on that instead of this other stuff?
SPEAKER 13 :
Right, because one article the week that we sent those bunker busters to Iran, that Friday they worked out a peace deal between Rwanda and Congo, I guess. I can’t know the exact, but they worked out a peace deal with them where they’re going to work together for peace. But yet, you know, everybody was talking about, oh, we’re going into World War III and this and that and everything else. And I’m like, really? Is that why Rubio worked out a peace deal with those two countries? And it wasn’t even covered in the news.
SPEAKER 14 :
No, and Dan, thank you, by the way. I appreciate you saying some of those things, because that’s the kind of stuff that frankly should be making headline news. Not Steve Bannon and Laura Loomer talking about, you know, the possibility of Trump assigning a special prosecutor, because the reality is he hasn’t agreed to that. Those two would love to see that. And I’ve got something I’m going to talk about a little bit later, Dan, that I think probably will fit this in even a little bit more on Tuesday. And it’s really interesting. For all of you listening, and this is a very, very left publication slate. If any of you have ever heard of it, it is a very, not even leaning, but it is a publication from the left, period. But there is an article that I found in Apple News today, but it’s on slate. And it talks about how it’s titled, those of you listening can go look this up, Bad Brains. Your brain on revenge looks a lot like your brain on drugs, and there’s only one twisted way to get your fix. Now, it says only one twisted way, but let me explain. In fact, what Slate doesn’t know, Dan… is they’re preaching right from Scripture when they’re talking about revenge and what it does to your brain and the fact the only cure for revenge, this is so interesting, Dan, you won’t believe this, the only way to cure revenge in your own brain is for you to forgive that other person that wronged you. And Dan, is that not biblical?
SPEAKER 13 :
That is Colossians 3, I think it’s 16 through 18. If any of you hold a grudge against another, you should forgive them just as Christ forgave you. And it’s amazing that a left-leaning liberal pastor of news actually mentioned that.
SPEAKER 14 :
It’s absolutely – and what they’re getting – and what they did here is they actually looked at studies where they actually looked at people’s brains where something had happened to them and now they’ve got total revenge in their brain. And the fact that it’s very much like people that have a drug problem and how their brain looks and the only cure for it is to forgive that other person. Where I’m going with this, Dan, is I feel like there are people on our side of the aisle – Laura Loomer, Bannon, others, whereby the revenge thing is so big, they feel so wronged by the left. And by the way, I do as well, but I don’t think I look at it the same way they do. I just look at this as a grand good versus evil battle that we’re going to constantly fight until the Lord comes. And so I look at it that way more so than probably the way they do, Dan. I don’t look at it as being personal. wronged as much probably as they do and in turn i feel like they’ve got this whole revenge mindset it’s ingrained in their head they haven’t forgiven the other side meaning this is what their brains are wrapped around and no matter what come hell or high water they want revenge huh okay i went through a divorce last year and that kind of sounds like my ex-wife And literally, if you read through this article, these people that have that much of a revenge, a revengeful, make sure I use the right words here, in other words, they want revenge at all costs, no matter what. It does something to their brain, much like drugs do.
SPEAKER 13 :
Yeah. And I’ll send you a quote, I’ll text it to you, about liberalism and enabling people to continue down their path of destruction and it’s interesting how they put it but it allows them to keep doing what they’re doing but then on the same token I look at people who are on the right and they look down at people that are struggling with drugs and alcohol and everything else and they’re being judgmental of them and it’s like stop being so judgmental we should be helping these people get out of their life of addiction and their destructive lifestyle, you know, and give them whatever resources they need. But allowing them to keep down that path, which liberalism allows them to do, they think they’re helping people, but they’re actually helping people destroy their lives. And then we’ve got people on the right that are critical of those people, and it’s like, that’s not helping them anywhere, so where do they turn? Who do they turn to?
SPEAKER 14 :
Don’t be that person that’s either so far on the left that you’re so vengeful against the other side that you’re blinded by that. On the same token, Dan, I think there’s folks that are on our side that can be exactly the same way. And in turn, they really miss the meaning of what really is going on and what really should be focused on because all they want is revenge. I think some of what’s happening right now with the Epstein case is that. And the reality is, at the end of the day, that doesn’t serve anybody.
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No, because it’s distracting from what really needs to be done. You know, the California raids last week where they pulled those miners out of that pot farm, you know, and it’s just not right. I mean, that should not be a partisan issue at all. We should not allow kids, miners, to be used for labor or for anything else. They need to grow up and become… useful citizens or productive citizens of society and when they get abused and used they’re not going to be productive unless they get the healing that they need that’s right and i that’s what drives me nuts about these people posting negative things about ice and everything else i’m like so you’re okay with legals coming into the country and killing people and sex trafficking kids and everything else. I can’t understand that.
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By the way, those are the same people that would be on the left trying to drum up everything going along with Epstein basically talking in that same way, yet they’re fine with open borders and rapists and criminals running across the border, you know, just rip-shod back and forth. They don’t care about that. They’re talking out of both sides of their mouth.
SPEAKER 13 :
They are, and it’s just, I don’t, this should not be This should not be a partisan issue.
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Agreed.
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We should want… I mean, biblically speaking, borders, secured borders are a biblical thing.
SPEAKER 15 :
That’s right.
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You read it in Proverbs, and it talks about, you know, you establish the boundaries, and you don’t violate those boundaries. So it’s a biblical thing to have secured borders. That’s right. Just like, you know, so… But anyway, that’s… So that was the Epstein thing. This whole thing is just driving me nuts with people… getting up in arms over something. I mean, don’t get me wrong. I, I’m what he did to those girls is horrible. And, uh, he might be making his payment in eternity for all I know. And, um, but we can’t, we, there’s nothing, I don’t want to say there’s nothing we can do about it, but even if we get these names or whatever, what are we going to do about it?
SPEAKER 14 :
But, Dan, that has been my point part of last week. And this week, I just feel like as a country, as a Department of Justice, as an FBI, you know, literally as a country, as a party, we have so many other things that we could be focused on, including how do we win some of the upcoming elections in 2026, i.e. a governor’s race here in Colorado, a Senate race here in Colorado. We’ve got an attorney general. We’ve got secretary of state. I mean, that’s just in this state alone, Dan. And I look at those things and no offense. I find those far more important than going through all of the Epstein files. That’s just me speaking.
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That’s right.
SPEAKER 14 :
That’s right. Absolutely. So, Dan, thank you very much. I appreciate all of that. Thank you for for the phone call. And again, I’ll try to. In fact, I just sent that article that I just was talking to you guys about out of slate to Dr. Kelly and Steve House. Maybe that’s something the three of us could even cover on down the road. But it’s a really interesting article. And the reason I say that is because it’s biblical. I mean, the Lord talks about revenge is mine, you know, vengeance is mine, revenge is mine, you know, saith the Lord. And reality is, because God knows how we’re made, because He made us, by the way, so He knows exactly how we’re made, He knows what we should carry and what we shouldn’t carry, and the reality is that they’re now figuring out, you know, scientifically speaking biologically speaking that when you’re that revengeful towards someone else it does something to your brain meaning it’s much like you being addicted to a drug therefore the only way to cure that is forgiveness of that other person other party that other whatever it’s the only cure for that part of your brain and I have to wonder how many people on the right Because we have felt so wronged by the left. And we have been, folks. I’m not trying to give any any pass to the left. We have been wronged by the left over and over and over again. Definitely been wrong. Trust me, folks. I know that full well. I was told during covid I should just die. And I have family members should just die because of my stance on covid and masking and social distancing and the vaccine and so on. I was literally told by more than one person I should just die. I should just go away. I shouldn’t be here anymore. It’s the likes of you that we don’t need around here any longer. Things along those lines. So believe me, folks, I’ve heard a lot of things from the left over the years. Does that mean I hate them? I hate what they stand for. I don’t hate them, but I hate what they stand for. But am I vengeful towards them, and do I want revenge? The revenge, by the way, that I want, and I said this on Tuesday with Andy, I want to win. To me, the best way to defeat the left is winning, not dragging them through court. Now, I do believe, like our last guest said, that there are certain things we need to do court wise to set precedents whereby that doesn’t happen again. Yes, I’m all for that. But when it comes to just certain things that certain people want because they want it, because they feel like it’s somewhere or another going to poke the left in the eye. Yeah, I know. I don’t want that. Because at the end of the day, it’s not going to do anything. And maybe it’s just me and the way my brain works, folks. And I’m not saying that I don’t ever have any animosity towards others. I’m human, just like anybody else is. But I don’t carry around grudges. I don’t go to sleep at night trying to figure out how can I do this tomorrow to make sure that something’s made right. My brain doesn’t work that way, folks. Charlie has known me now for several decades, and my brain doesn’t operate that way. It just doesn’t. I don’t think about things in that way. And my fear is we have folks on the right that do, and it’s clouding judgment across our party. It’s not unifying any way, shape, or form, and it literally is making us – it hinders, I should say, our ability to win because of that. And if there’s anything I could stress to our side of the aisle, especially here in Colorado, it’s that stop being that way. We are not going to win elections by having that sort of mentality. And until we figure out exactly what we should be doing to win, we won’t. So I’m not trying to be super religious on you guys, but this whole article out of Slate talking about, scientifically speaking, how someone’s brain works, and literally it’s exactly what Scripture tells us. And Slate has no idea they’re verifying what the Bible tells us, by the way, but that’s exactly what they’re doing. And we on the right, who, by the way, should know all of this, and yet we behave the way we do sometimes. Shame on us. Shame on us. Mile High Coin coming up next. And if you’re looking for answers as to what the value of your collection of items is, gold, jewelry, watches, those sorts of things, find out today. It’s a free appraisal through Mile High Coin for KLZ Radio, Rush to Reason listeners. You can get that done for free. If you want to turn that into cash, David will help you with that as well. David Gonzalez, 720-370-3400.
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All right, I was going to talk about this particular topic earlier in the week, and I’ll be honest, we just had so many other things that we did through the week that I just get a chance to do it. And this is big news for a lot of you. Most of you have read this. A lot of you have even texted me information articles and things on this. I think Charlie was one of the first ones to even bring this to my attention. And that is the almost $30 million, $29 million pedestrian bridge that Governor Polis wants to put downtown in honor of the 150th anniversary of Colorado. That’s what he’s saying anyways. And keep in mind, this is coming into budget cycles whereby, now, they’ll tell you there’s a lack of budget, but I’ve talked about that before. Give me the budget and I can get it balanced pretty quick. But anyways. I’m digressing because technically the current legislature is doing everything they can to try to figure out how to pay all the bills. Let’s just say it that way, given the current circumstances and what they want to fund. And yet we’ve got Polis wanting to spend $29 million. And by the way, by the time it’s done, it’ll be 30 plus. So he wants to spend $30 million on a pedestrian bridge literally to nowhere. Yeah, Charlie’s talking in my ear. That’s only half of it. Eventually he wants to do more, and that price tag will just keep getting bigger and bigger. So reality is it’ll be a bridge to nowhere. It really won’t do anything at the end of the day. I guarantee you he’s wanting to do this as it’ll set some sort of a quote-unquote exit legacy for him that he’ll be able to hang his hat on, much like Peña has Peña Boulevard and so on. That’s exactly what he’s trying to get done here is he wants a pole-less bridge to nowhere. So in light of that, and this is what’s interesting, Even the liberal mainstream media in this town is being critical of this. Even the Kyle Clarks of the world are being critical of this, which those guys are typically never critical of Governor Polis ever. But in this particular case, they are. So in my notes, and we’ll have this up on our website a little later tonight, there is actually a website whereby the state, the governor, has put up a survey. It’s CO, so not zero, but CO like Colorado, CO150Walkway.org. So the number is 150, co150walkway.com. You can actually give feedback and vote on whether or not this is something you want your tax dollars going to. So, by the way, I would encourage every single one of you listening. I don’t care if you’re in Colorado, Wyoming, whatever. I’m not telling you to cheat on your zip code, but there’s really no checks and balances here. So if you’re in Wyoming and you want to use an 80-whatever zip code, be my guest. I could really care less because this thing doesn’t need to be built. Period. We need as many negatives coming in against this saying, yeah, this is a big fat zero. No way. We don’t want it. We don’t want to spend money on this. And that’s the feedback that we need to give to the state. As many of those as we possibly can. Now, again, we’ll have that Web site link up in our show notes. little bit later but for those of you listening right now it is again co 150 and it’s the it’s the numbers one five zero so co 150 walkway.com and it’s 150 for the 150th birthday of colorado that’s what the 150 stands for so all right say that again sesquicentennial okay so we’re like halfway there no we’re one and a half times because i remember the hundredth i was you know again i’m i’m i was you know 1776 that was a big deal because it was you know a big deal you know is the 200th of the nation and 100th for colorado and everything in 76 here in colorado and everything everywhere was red white and blue I was going through a lot of my mom’s stuff. As you all know, she passed, and so we’re going through a lot of the old memorabilia and things that you start digging out when people pass and finding old pictures of things my mom had saved and so on. And I remember at that time, I would have been 12, and in Boulder, Colorado, believe it or not, we used to have a big powwow. Yes, that’s what it was called. We had a powwow parade and a powwow rodeo. And yes, it was called that in Boulder, Colorado. Yes, I know. Charlie is shaking his head at me like, yeah, you can’t say that. Well, that’s what it was called. That’s history. And it was called the Powwow Parade. And we had the powwow grounds whereby the rodeo was held in Boulder. And it was during the week of Fourth of July and on Fourth of July. As kids, you could participate in the parade, and you could decorate your bicycle all up. Back then, you had the swing with the banana seat and all of that, and you could decorate everything up, in this case, red, white, and blue, to honor that celebration. And that particular year, I actually won a prize. My dad helped me. We got my bike all dialed in, and he did really cool things on it with… different streamers and crate paper and had it all decked out and it looked really great and I saw pictures of that digging through some of my folks’ stuff and just going back in time. Point being, I remember that 100th This will be the 150th for Colorado, and it’ll be a big deal next year. And by the way, rightfully so, it should be. Now, I can tell you this, it’ll be different than the last one 50 years ago because our state has changed a lot in 50 years. In fact, I would think that you probably can’t go to most towns today and even say powwow. Am I right, Charlie? That’s probably not accepted in today’s vocabulary of things that you could actually – you can’t have powwow grounds and have a powwow parade and so on. We did. And, yes, that was Boulder, Colorado. Some of you listening right now are thinking to yourself, no way, John. There’s no way that happened in Boulder, Colorado. Yes, indeed, that happened in Boulder, Colorado some 50 years ago. So at any rate, go to that website, vote today, give your feedback at co150walkway.com. Cub Creek Heating and Air Conditioning coming up next. And it looks like it’s cooler outside. It was a little bit last night, but still warm enough during the day to run the AC. And it is still right now 85 degrees. So if you’ve got trouble at all with your air conditioning unit, give Cub Creek a call today. Find them at klzradio.com.
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All right. By the way, thank you for the text message. Just closing out this hour, somebody said, just voted no on the walkway, and the closing to vote is July 21st. So vote. Vote now. Get in and get that done sooner than later. Thank you for that. Somebody also said that it is very okay, even in today’s world, to say powwow because powwow is an old German name that the Indians actually, or the natives actually took. So powwow is an old German word, meaning I shouldn’t be offending anybody by using it unless you’re German and you’re offended by that, which Germans don’t get offended by much at all. I highly doubt that would be the case. And then somebody also said that they get very offended when they hear people talk about young people shouldn’t have to work. And by the way, I agree with you 100%. Every one of my kids worked. I worked as a child. I think all kids should work. I think it helps them learn skills that they will use the rest of their life by doing so. We’ll be back. Another full hour coming your way. Rush to Reason, Denver’s Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560.
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Rich guy.
