Join Andy Peth as he fills in for John Rush on this riveting segment that examines the educational dynamics and political maneuvers affecting America. Discover the potential impact of reallocating educational funds from prestigious universities to trade schools and what it means for future generations seeking employment in growing industries. This episode engages with topics like anti-Semitism in academia, the viability of journalism degrees, and more, offering a fresh perspective on education reform.
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Actually, it’s Andy Pate. Party of choice. And welcome to our number two here on Rush to Reason. I am Andy Pate, filling in for John Rush, who is back tomorrow. Your long wait has ended. And joining me right now is Tanner Cole.
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Man.
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And speaking of another real man, Donald Trump.
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The man.
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Donald J. Trump. Donald J. Trump is considering doing something, and I want to get your opinion on it, okay? He is considering taking the billions in grant money from Harvard and giving it somewhere else. Okay, and I’m going to read this to you. President Trump on Monday suggested taking grant money from Harvard and giving it to trade schools instead. Let me quote him. I’m considering taking $3 billion of grant money away from a very anti-Semitic Harvard and giving it to trade schools all across our land, the president wrote on Truth Social. What a great investment that would be for the USA and so badly needed. Tanner, what do you think?
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I agree. You’ve seen these elite schools, not just the Ivy Leagues. It’s pretty much almost every college that doesn’t seem to be in the South or Christian-based that is completely anti-Semitic, pumping in gender ideology. I mean, I even went through it from like 2018 to 2021. It was already in the colleges. So I think giving the money to kids that are actually going out and getting real jobs is which are trade school jobs instead of I’m majoring in communications, I’m going to be a barista. And you spend $200,000 for that. I think it’s a great idea. I mean, I have a cousin that went to trade school. I think learning something like that and you can learn different trades along the way, you always have opportunity. Whereas me that graduated journalism and then obviously got communications because it’s so easy to add on, journalism is dying. It’s all going to YouTube or podcasts. Actual written journalism is not there anymore. Newspapers, even television has fallen off entirely compared to YouTube. A lot of people get their news from YouTube comedians, podcasters now.
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You know, in a way, though, that’s good because that’s actually broadened the scope. People with communications degrees can also go on YouTube and do very well. I mean, if you got the talent, OK, if you got the skills, you can make it work. But let me ask you this. What if we reworked schools and colleges in general? Let’s take a look at what Trump’s doing, because Trump and this is something Donald Trump really does, folks. He will anger a segment of the population. Right. And he’ll say, I’m going to take something from you and he’ll get everybody angry. And then he’ll say, and I’m going to give it to homeless veterans.
SPEAKER 18 :
It’s kind of like the tips we were talking about earlier.
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Well, it’s kind of like the tips. But let’s go back just a step further when he was going to take a lot of money away that was being given to illegals.
SPEAKER 18 :
Right. Which makes sense.
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Right. Money that was being given to illegals. And what does he say? He wants to give it to homeless veterans. And help us house homeless veterans. Well, what are people going to say to that? You’ve got one group that served our country and another group that invaded our country. And he’s going to take the money from the one and give it. You know, this guy is brilliant. And so now what he says is Harvard. And how many people really like Harvard people?
SPEAKER 18 :
I don’t.
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OK, you know, and so a couple, you know, and by the way, there are probably I’m sure there are some very wonderful Harvard people. I’m just saying that the general aura of it. Right. People generally don’t like it. And so he’s going to say, I’m going to take that money away from you and I’m going to give it to trade schools. Now, three billion isn’t going to be a lot. Probably target, you know, just a handful of them. But. Take a step back here. What if we reworked colleges and schools in general? Maybe he’s really on to something that the whole country needs to take another look at. Again, this is kind of a micro way of looking at things. Less gender studies, more shop class. OK, less culture, more how to change your oil and also master computer skills. Do things that matter in your day to day life and also things that you can master where there’s always going to be a market for it. Right. I don’t care what kind of car they keep making. And by the way, there’s going to be a lot more oil and gas cars, folks. Just so you know, the real world is coming back, baby. But. You know, even with electric cars, you need someone to fix them.
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Right.
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It’s never going to end. What about having young people actually train in things that get them a job, not get them a happy feeling go?
SPEAKER 18 :
Well, I mean, just everyday things are more valuable than some ideology they’re pushing or even a piece of paper that says Harvard versus, you know, Michigan Technical School or whatever it may be. I mean… Back to Harvard. They already have a $53 billion endowment. I think $3 billion from the government, they’ll be okay not getting.
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Right.
SPEAKER 18 :
They have money getting pumped in from institutions, millionaires, billionaires, all the time.
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There’s a lot of stupid people giving money to them.
SPEAKER 18 :
Right.
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OK, but take a step back. I keep saying that. But the reason I’m saying take a step back, folks, is because I think Trump is telling the whole country to, you know, you’ve run away from the trades. Now take a step back. Look at this. Who has a better chance of getting a really good job? OK, somebody who gets that four year degree out of a normal state college or whatever. Right. Or somebody who gets a vote tech degree or somebody who gets a trade school degree. And then let’s say a year internship working as a plumber. Okay, working as an electrician, working on cars, working on whatever, welding. Okay, who is going to be always in demand no matter what?
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Oh, the trade people, 100%. Right. Because you can fill your entire schedule three weeks out just because people are going to need, you know, an oil change. Oh, I ran out of gas. I got into an accident. I need you to repair this. Oh, our electricity is out. Or the VCR isn’t connecting to the TV, whatever it may be. There’s always someone going to be calling, whereas going and getting a degree and then the degree to – I know multiple people that have gotten degrees and they’re – unemployed, working at a 7-Eleven, doing deliveries, DoorDash, or maybe UPS or something. So those degrees are basically pointless, and you could have gone to school for something that actually mattered and while working in that craft while in school instead of doing a 10-hour internship in the summer at some lab or in a newsroom where you’re not actually going to end up learning much because it’s not as much hands-on.
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Right, or you could be like me. I have a ministry degree. I’m not in the ministry. No, I was in management. I’m retired now. But there were good uses of it that I was able to make use of it. Good ways I was able to make use of it. However, it was not obviously directly applicable. Getting a ministry degree does not prepare you to manage a casino or a movie theater. But that’s where my life went. That’s where my life took me. I love it. I’m good. But I’m looking at the kids today, and it’s almost like they expect school to be an experience, not a training ground for what comes next. Because what comes next is life. What comes next is bills. What comes next is you and somebody else and a child or two or three, right? That’s what comes next. And I’m sorry, but ancient Greek literature isn’t going to pay for that.
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Right.
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OK, and, you know, some activist class and how to how to assess your gender isn’t going to pay for that. Why do we have any of that in the schools? Look at public schools. Forget colleges for a second, Tanner. And I was asking this the other day. I’m going to ask it again. Why do we have any sex education in schools at all? Do you know any teenagers in schools right now who are lame enough that they actually say this? I need the government to teach me about sex. Who would admit that?
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I can’t think of any.
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Yes, none.
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Kids, but not teenagers, no.
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Well, little kids don’t need to know a lot.
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And we’re exposed with it so much through media, whether it’s film, TV shows, novels. I mean, even just going on Instagram, you’re seeing Instagram models all the time. So you kind of already have a good idea as a kid. what sex is, let alone having to go to a class for it. I mean, we had sex ed, but it was very much, these are drugs, alcohol, bad substances, and this is like protective sex. And I was only like two months, and then you’re done.
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And why did you even need that? I mean, seriously, do you need the government to teach you how to protect yourself? I mean, seriously.
SPEAKER 18 :
No, especially in a public school, I wouldn’t allow that for my kids.
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No, it’s ridiculous.
SPEAKER 18 :
In a private school, maybe it’s a little different because they’re just trying to protect you, but.
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You know, I mean, maybe schools saying, hey, just so you know, this is the stuff that is available. There you go. Okay. You know, because they’re looking at a landscape of young people who can be very reckless in their private lives. And teachers care about young people, too. They’re looking at them and saying, hey, just so you know, you might want to protect yourself a little, whatever. I mean, you make whatever decisions that you and your beliefs and your families believe. You know, you guide you. I’m not here to guide you. I’m just saying, if you’re going to make decisions that are going to affect the rest of your life, protect yourself in some ways. And I think that’s okay for schools to say that much. But that’s it.
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Right. We don’t even need to teach it now with how the Internet is. You can go on YouTube and watch an animated thing and it’ll tell you in 10 minutes protective versus nonprotective sex or what drugs are or alcohol and what it does to you. And then you’re done. You don’t need a three month course. I remember they had us try.
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I had to do three months courses. If you want, if teachers want to be activists.
SPEAKER 18 :
Agreed. I mean, we had to know every part of the penis and vagina. And I’m like, somehow everyone in the class passed that. I don’t think that’s true. I think they just wanted to give everyone an A. It’s like, why am I learning about this? I’ll never need to know what the van nephrin or whatever it’s called ever again.
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No, you won’t.
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I won’t either, unless I’m going into a science degree.
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I mean, yeah, if you’re going to be a doctor or whatever and operate on these things. Look, I think Trump is on to something. I think he really is. Because taking that $3 billion from a school that most people look at as pretty hoity-toity and haughty and annoying.
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Very elitist.
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And very elitist and also packed with anti-Semitism and raging haters of America and Israel. Why are we paying for that?
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Even their own professor, they weren’t allowing back on campus because he was Jewish.
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Yeah.
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What are we talking about?
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You’re out of your minds. And so we can actually give tax money instead of giving it to there so that a bunch of people can go around and say, from the river to the sea, let’s eliminate Israel and nonsense like that. Whatever. If you want to hold that belief, I think you’re sick, but that’s your right to hold that belief. But why am I paying for it? OK, why am I paying for the setting where you can go out and shout things like that when I can take that three billion dollars through President Trump and we can give it to schools that teach kids how to get a real job? Agreed. I think it’s fantastic. Way to go, President Trump. We applaud you once again. Let’s take a break. We’ve got lots more to come. Paul Leuenberger. Paul represents nine great companies, so he can match your insurance needs with the best coverage. Call Paul at 303-662-0789.
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Putting reason into your afternoon drive, this is John Rush. And welcome back to Rush to Reason. Denver’s Afternoon Rush. KLZ 560. Andy Pate filling in for John Rush. One more day. He is back tomorrow. And joining me again is Mr. Tanner Cole. Man. Because he is all man. All right. Speaking of being all man, I can see you out on the prairie on a horse. I can see you doing that. Is that the kind of guy you are?
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If I could get access to a horse and own it, yes. And someone else takes care of all the financial troubles a horse might bring, which is steep.
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Look, it is steep. But I’m just saying you wouldn’t mind that life.
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We used to go up to Sylvan Dill Ranch up in Loveland, the family, and ride horses up there, fish. Beautiful place. It was amazing. I loved it growing up.
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Okay, well, I want to talk about somebody. Folks, you probably have not heard of this person and get to know this person. His name is Sean Pond. Sean Pond. And he is from Montrose. Montrose County Commissioner, District 3. Now, he writes a very long article here in the Rocky Mountain Voice, and I don’t have time to get to it all, but he’s talking about how the Colorado State Government which is, of course, very left wing. And there’s a real problem, you know, up in Canada, they’re dealing with this right now in Alberta and Saskatchewan, right? How the liberal elites on the coasts are running the interior and basically controlling everybody who does the real work and actually produces income, you know, with oil, gas and so forth. And he is dealing with this out in Montrose, and he’s very upset with how the, let’s just say, under the dome there in Denver, how they are running everywhere else in the state. And I’m just going to skip down here and listen to this. They call it rewire. OK, OK, here we go. And now they’re pushing harder than ever. He’s talking about the infiltration, how they infiltrate, you know, on lower levels, even in these rural areas, but how they also control from the state level. Listen to this, folks. Please listen closely. They want cattle off the land. They want roads closed. They want grazing rights gone. They want hunting phased out. They want firearms irrelevant. They want wolves roaming, wilderness locked up, and western Colorado turned into a buffer zone for urban control centers. They call it rewilding. I call it erasing. They want to erase us. Whether by design or consequence, their vision eliminates the rural way of life. They push centralized control through regulation, land designations, and green energy policies that hurt the very communities they claim to help. You are not imagining this. Rural Coloradoans are being pushed aside. Colorado is shutting down all coal-fired power plants and mines by 2030. They’re replacing reliable energy with unstable alternatives that scar our land and provide little benefit to local economies. They’re killing jobs, gutting communities, and taxing working families into the ground. We should be expanding coal, opening more mines, extracting critical minerals, powering our grid, driving down costs, putting America and Colorado first. Instead, we’re being driven into into into dependence and debt by green fantasies and government overreach. And it’s all enabled by those who believe standing in the middle is the right place to be. As regulations and restrictions grow, liberty dies. It is the duty of every Coloradoan right now to protect our state from the government that’s trying to take it from us. And he keeps going. OK, but what do you think of that? Is that brilliantly written? I’ve never heard of this guy.
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It made me want to, you know, pick up an AR and go fight.
SPEAKER 06 :
My gosh. Sean Pond.
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I mean, what’s so unfortunate, I mean, even just with the Harvard stuff we talked about earlier, these people are so discombobulated in confusion that they think more government is better and that the government, at least the left side of the government, can’t do no wrong when this was the American dream 10 years ago. And now it’s just become full control. I mean, you saw it with COVID. They want full control over everyone. They want you to stay inside. They want everything to be green when in reality that would be a major switch and kill a bunch of companies and a lot of families would suffer.
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It would ruin the entire country.
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Yeah, I mean, the people that don’t live in the heart of the city, I even do, and it’s a struggle to live there. And it’s almost impossible to live there just with how much crime and homelessness going on. But I mean, the American dream was small government, but a strong government. And then we, the people, have the right and the responsibility to vote on what should be done for the benefit of each person or the collective majority, at least for your state. And it seems like the liberals, especially in this state, don’t seem to care and want basically Denver to freeze over into this totalitarian nightmare.
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Yeah, I totally agree. I mean, it seems to me that… You know, what they’ve done is that the left really understands this. They understand that land is freedom. It’s like a car is freedom, right? You can do what you want with it, in it, whatever, you know, drive around. Land is freedom. If you don’t have it, you don’t have freedom. OK, and they’re confiscating more and more and more of it or telling you what you can do on it. OK, and they’re taking away our abilities to do basically everything that we need to do. This guy is saying very simply, we have to draw a line in the sand and we have to draw it right now or we are finished.
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Well, I mean, just a quick point on that. We’ve been letting China buy up farmland in our country, and I’m sure some of it’s been taken away from small-time farmers or people with some plots of land, but they’re getting such a good deal that they’re getting pushed out, and then Bill Gates has been doing the same thing. Who knows if he’s got a hand in it with China, but… Like you said, if your basic freedoms you feel like they’re getting tampered with, there’s a problem because you shouldn’t feel that way in this country.
SPEAKER 06 :
Look what happened with the left when they took over California. Now, off the coast of California, there is more oil. then you can shake a stick at. There is so much oil off that coastline, you know, and my wife actually worked with the company that worked out there, okay, that worked in California oil. And they said that there was so much oil just seeping out of the base and they’re off the coastline that it’s actually an ecological problem, a real problem. It would be better if they drilled it. OK, so they wouldn’t have all that seepage. But they still they shut it all down. California could have incredible oil production. By the way, they would have incredible budgets as a result. But they shut it down. They affect the rest of the country with that.
SPEAKER 18 :
Do you think of California?
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That’s not just the California coast. That’s the American coastline, and they’re taking it away. Well, right here in Colorado, what is the government doing? That is all of Coloradoans, you know, Colorado, okay? And what are they doing? They’re shutting down coal development and coal plants and mineral mining. which are the very things we need to expand. Go ahead.
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I was going to ask you, do you think if California actually started drilling there, they could maybe start fixing some of their problems with how much revenue they could generate?
SPEAKER 06 :
No, I think they could fix all their problems with the revenue they would be generating.
SPEAKER 18 :
Agreed.
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They would. And this guy, here’s another great line. He says, the Constitution is not a suggestion. It’s not a starting point for discussion. It’s a line in the sand. What do you think? I like it. Folks, this guy… I mean, we’re talking about here in Colorado we need Republicans to stand up. Well, here is one. And he says, will you join me? Really quick here. Montrose County can lead the way. Will you join me? So, folks, get your pens ready. I’m going to give you how to contact this guy. I wasn’t even expecting to do this. Okay? I’d never heard of him. He says, if you believe it’s time to defend our freedom and take Colorado back, I’d be honored to hear from you. Sean Pond, Montrose County Commissioner, District 3, e-mail. S Pond, P-O-N-D. So S P-O-N-D at Montrose County dot net. Contact this guy. His phone number. He puts it down. 970-650-0981. 970-650-0981. If you want somebody, folks, here in Colorado who’s going to put a line in the sand and tell all these urban elites, will you please stop wrecking the rural areas? You don’t care about them. Look, you simply outnumber them because people moved in from California and outnumber them now. But these people own their land and they know what to do with it. And Colorado was a great state before you ruined it. They know the energy we need. They know the energy grid we need. You don’t. You don’t know any of it. All you know is your activism. You people on the left. Outside of a few, you people don’t create anything. All you do is move around other people’s money and move around what other people create or teach in schools about how to do these things. You don’t do anything.
SPEAKER 18 :
Or you steal other people’s money.
SPEAKER 06 :
Or you steal it, right?
SPEAKER 18 :
Or funnel it through a back room, it seems.
SPEAKER 06 :
Yeah, or funnel it through some organization like the Bidens did. Right. This guy represents an area of the state. By the way, Montrose is gorgeous, just so you know. He represents an area of the state where these people know about doing. Ranching.
SPEAKER 18 :
Farming.
SPEAKER 06 :
Farming. Mining. Creating. Doing. Building. Living. Everything that you want to regulate into the dust, they have been doing for a long time, and they do it better than you.
SPEAKER 18 :
By far.
SPEAKER 06 :
Sean Pond, I just saluted Donald Trump. I’m going to salute you. Sean Pond, I don’t even know who you are, but I salute you. What do you think, Tanner?
SPEAKER 18 :
Love it.
SPEAKER 06 :
What a guy.
SPEAKER 18 :
I’m glad someone’s saying something.
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Welcome back to Rush to Reason, Denver’s Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560. Andy Pate filling in for John Rush along with Tanner Cole. Man. And on the line right now, we got John from Cheyenne. John, what’s up, sir?
SPEAKER 09 :
Andy, I got to go back to what you said on the trades. Yeah. How many guys did you know in the Air Scouts that went on to a trade when they got out, whether it was aircraft mechanics or computer science or anything?
SPEAKER 06 :
Tons.
SPEAKER 09 :
I mean… Oh, tons. I mean, I know a bunch of guys that got out and went into all the different trades, and they made a ton of money. And now, you know, so that’s one thing that they’re not encouraging like they used to when we were young, you know, when dinosaurs ruled the earth.
SPEAKER 06 :
I rode one to school. It was great.
SPEAKER 09 :
Yeah. encourage these kids to join the military for three years come out and use their gi bill and go to college now why did you call it the air scouts i was in the air force force it’s got the word force in it yeah yeah i’ll yeah okay you were not you were not in a mechanized infantry battalion were you no i was a wuss what are you kidding
SPEAKER 06 :
You know, as I always say, the Marines, you know, the few, the proud, the Marines, Air Force, we drop bombs and run. Okay, I’ve got it all figured out.
SPEAKER 09 :
Yeah, I just love to pick on you about the Air Force.
SPEAKER 06 :
But honestly, no, I knew a lot of people who came out of the Air Force and went right into great fields. And not just in those kind of fields, not just welding or whatever, but also people who go out into computer fields and do very well. Look, the military is wonderful, wonderful preparation for life. And you’re also serving your country. I was proud to serve.
SPEAKER 09 :
Oh, I was too, you know. So the other thing is your talk, that guy in Montrose, he sounds like he’s got his head together, but everyone on the conservative side in Colorado fails to admit that you guys sent Jared Polish back to Denver with a 16-point margin.
SPEAKER 06 :
No, no, no. No, no, no.
SPEAKER 1 :
19.
SPEAKER 09 :
Oh, I’m sorry. I thought it was only 16.
SPEAKER 06 :
You were too kind to us.
SPEAKER 09 :
All right. So you are getting in Colorado, the people of Colorado are getting exactly what they asked for when they voted. They are. They are.
SPEAKER 06 :
But you know what? I do feel sorry for the rural areas. You know, I feel sorry for myself because I’m not in a rural area. It’s awful here. But I feel sorry for the rural areas, John, because, you know, they didn’t vote for this and they’re controlled. It’s just like I feel sorry for Alberta and Saskatchewan. Everywhere you look, John, and I’d like you to comment on this. Everywhere you look, every time people talk about secession, it’s never the people on the left because they want to continue sucking off the right wingers. They want to suck the right-wingers dry and then move on to a new place, move on to a new, you know, they’re parasites. They want to move on to a new host, host body.
SPEAKER 09 :
Remember, oh, yeah, I agree with you. They, you know, they leave where they’re at because they want a better life because the taxes are too high. There’s too much crime and everything. Yeah, they’ve ruined this place. And then they come to the new place. And say, well, I’m going to vote the way I have for the last 30 years, where it destroyed New York City now that I’m in Denver. Or it destroyed California, so let’s go vote for Colorado and destroy that.
SPEAKER 06 :
Right, John, because they are locusts. OK, locusts feed on the ground. They feed on the bounty of what is there. They eat it up and then they move on as a swarm to another place. They don’t create anything. Locusts don’t build a dam like a beaver. OK, they don’t do anything but eat and they don’t do anything but take. And that’s all these people do. And you can say, well, wait a minute. I know this Democrat who does a great job at this job. Yeah, I’m sure you do. I know some, too. But you know what? They are basically the good people who are the exception to the rule. Their party overruns every state they’re in.
SPEAKER 09 :
Just look at any of the states that they’re currently in control of and how many people are moving there and how many people are leaving there. Oh, yeah. I mean, and we don’t have to take the big four. You could look at states like Minnesota.
SPEAKER 07 :
Illinois.
SPEAKER 09 :
Well, Illinois, I consider one of the big four that people are leaving. New York, California, Illinois, and Massachusetts. Those ones, everybody’s leaving because they’re nuts. I’m saying more like a Minnesota.
SPEAKER 06 :
Sure. Or a New Jersey, right?
SPEAKER 09 :
Yep, New Jersey. Now, when is it going to change is the question. I mean, Detroit had to go technically into bankruptcy before they started coming back. Is Colorado going to have to go into bankruptcy? Yeah. Or is it going to be a revolution? The property owners are just going to say, screw you, I ain’t paying my taxes.
SPEAKER 06 :
John, it’s going to last a lot longer in Colorado. Thanks for bringing this up. Let me break this down again. It only takes a minute. Colorado is a very unique situation, and here’s why. We are propped up here in Colorado. Our economy is propped up by people moving in from even worse blue states like California and New York because Californians and New Yorkers and Illinoisans and these people from the truly messed up states where prices are through the roof and they’ve destroyed everything. The locusts. Okay, the locusts. The locust still wants to first go to a place where they’re more comfortable, and that’s not where you are in Wyoming. Yeah, I know they’re moving there, but not nearly as many. They know they’re not right. They first want to move to a tweener place. OK, a place that is not overrun yet and ruined yet. OK, but it’s not too conservative. where they’ll throw out a Liz Cheney, okay, like Wyoming. Okay, so here’s what I mean. So here’s how they prop up our economy because everything, all the prices in California are through the roof, right? They just made minimum wage like 38 bucks or something in L.A. It’s crazy, okay? And so they’ll have a normal house in California. They’ll sell it for $1.5 million, $2 million, okay? They’ll take that $2 million and just come right here to Colorado and live like a king. And they’ll pour that money in right into our economy. And so millions of them moved in, and not just one year, but over year after year after year. We’re talking a couple decades of people pouring in from these states that were overpriced, pouring in millions and tens of millions and hundreds of millions of dollars, free money just raining from the sky on Colorado. That’s why Colorado’s economy couldn’t go bust, because you always have more money falling here. However, it’s slowing. It is slowing. Actually, the numbers leaving now is almost up with the numbers coming in. So I don’t know how much longer it can last, John, but the reason it’s lasted that long is what I just said.
SPEAKER 09 :
So right now, if I was – and I heard you had the new head of the party on – 3 o’clock hour, and I did hear a lot of that. If I’m the head of the Colorado party, I’m saying we’re not going to win the governorship. We’re not going to win the state offices. We need to take back some of the seats that we lost in the House and Senate, or whatever you call your state assembly, the state house. There’s got to be
SPEAKER 06 :
five senators that are won by less than five points that you could challenge those seats you make a great point where there are a number of places where the margins were very low and the statewides you’re right the statewides would get crushed but by looking at where the margins are low we gave trump the u.s house right but the other thing is get some of those state reps in 26 back in there
SPEAKER 09 :
to stop the craziness or at least be able to, because right now you can’t, they have a super majority. They can do whatever they want.
SPEAKER 06 :
Do you think, John, do you think we’re ever going to see here in the Denver metro area, which, of course, has gone so deep blue, it’s, you know, it’s like a lake. Okay. Do you think we’re ever going to see what we’re starting to see in places like New York, where Trumpism is actually rising? New Jersey, where Trumpism is really rising? In places like that. Why doesn’t that sell here in Colorado?
SPEAKER 09 :
Because it hasn’t gotten bad enough yet. Ah, there you go.
SPEAKER 06 :
It hasn’t gotten bad enough because of what I was talking about earlier, all the hundreds of millions being showered in here from people moving here from more expensive states, right? We’re propped up.
SPEAKER 09 :
So if you look at it, you have to look like I was, you know, growing up and living in New York. New York City got so bad under Koch and then Dinkins that the only way to shave it was to elect Rudy Giuliani. And the people finally realized the biggest thing, I don’t know if you remember, it was under Dinkins, and it probably cost him his election, was when he allowed the Crown Heights riots to happen. I don’t know if you remember those. Heard of.
SPEAKER 06 :
Don’t remember.
SPEAKER 09 :
But I’ve heard of, yeah. The head of the Hasidic Jewish thing was in a convoy And there was a car accident and a young black child was run over and killed. And all of a sudden that was in Crown Heights and they let riots go on it. And a young man got killed. A Jewish guy just got killed for being Jewish, of course. But the mayor said, well, we’ve got to let him let it out. We’ve got to let him vent. Kind of like what happened in the George Floyd riots. Got to let him vent.
SPEAKER 06 :
People die when you vent.
SPEAKER 09 :
Exactly. That’s what happened. And the city was so disgusted that… Here’s Giuliani, who went after the mob in New York when he was the U.S. attorney. He runs for office and wins, and he cleans up the city. And that’s the only way Denver’s going to get saved, is you have to have that tipping point to where the people of Denver say, all right, enough is enough. We’ve got to change something. That’s the only way it could happen.
SPEAKER 06 :
Well, you know, this makes sense because… The only way you will get to move, you know, what was I calling Democrats before? Swarms of locusts. The only way you’re going to get a locust to move away from its objective of just eating the field is great discomfort like a fire. Okay. And no, I’m not saying folks to set fire to things. I’m not calling for anything. Okay. I’m just talking about desperation. Only great discomfort will move a locust off its path. All it wants to do is feed and take, and it has to feel great discomfort. And in places that they have totally ruined, they felt great discomfort, and we saw a turnaround.
SPEAKER 09 :
Yeah, look at some of the places in California that have had enough is enough and started electing conservatives, cities and towns that were liberal Democrat for a long time. Not the coastal places, but… you know, like an Orange County, like a San Diego, where it never got too bad, but it got bad enough to where they said enough is enough, and they started making a change. That’s part of the problem is you have to let it get bad enough to make the change, and I don’t know if you guys want to do that in Denver.
SPEAKER 06 :
Well, no, we don’t, obviously. But, you know, you make a great point because I’ll tell you what, the National Democrats are terrified that they could lose two or three seats in California in 26 from the House because they’re trying desperately to take the House back and stop Trump. Right. But it looks like because of the fires. Remember how the Democrats handled the fires in Colorado in California?
SPEAKER 09 :
Oh, they did a fabulous job.
SPEAKER 06 :
Yeah, yeah. Locusts do a great job at managing things. Well, they did a terrible job, obviously, mismanaging the water, mismanaging everything and wrecking everything with wokeness. Well, because of that, they could lose two. I think they will lose at least two seats in California in 2026. As a result, it’s terrifying them. Maybe what we need is desperation. I just don’t want to come to that point. John, thank you so much. Oh, no, no. Wait, wait. I got a question for you. I got a question for you. What branch were you in? I was in the Army.
SPEAKER 09 :
Oh, yeah.
SPEAKER 06 :
I just want you to know we used to drop you from planes when we ran out of bombs.
SPEAKER 09 :
Yeah, I did that. I did that five times when I was young and really stupid to get my jump wings and swore after I finished the training I would never do it again.
SPEAKER 06 :
I’m terrified of heights, dude. I couldn’t do it, and here I was in the Air Force. I was a pencil pusher.
SPEAKER 09 :
I’m not afraid of heights. No, I was in the Army. I fixed M1s and Bradleys. John, I couldn’t be as tall as you.
SPEAKER 06 :
I couldn’t be as tall as you, okay?
SPEAKER 09 :
I saw a picture of you. You’re about six foot, aren’t you?
SPEAKER 06 :
Yeah, just a hair under, about 5’11 1⁄2″. And yet my 5’1 wife towers over me. I’m not sure how that works.
SPEAKER 09 :
I got your beat. I’m 6’4 and my wife is 5’2.
SPEAKER 06 :
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SPEAKER 05 :
Al Smith from Golden Eagle Financial and the show you love, Retirement Unpacked, is here with me. How are you today, Al? I’m doing great. How are you, TJ? I’m doing great as well. I have a couple questions for you. As a financial advisor, do you also do taxes?
SPEAKER 15 :
No, I don’t prepare my clients’ taxes. I do, however, spend a lot of time talking to them about taxes. To use a sports analogy, tax preparation is like doing a recap of the game. What I do is more like creating a game plan and then following up over time to see how it’s working.
SPEAKER 05 :
And how much are taxes a part of that game plan that you create?
SPEAKER 15 :
Well, with so many different taxes we’re faced with, it becomes an important thing to take into consideration. It’s not how much income you have, but how much you get to keep. In addition to federal and state income taxes, there’s property taxes, state and local sales tax, and fees. And they all play a part in shrinking our income.
SPEAKER 05 :
What about people who already have really healthy balances in 401ks, IRAs? Won’t they be facing significant taxes as they draw income from those accounts? Well, it depends.
SPEAKER 15 :
Everybody’s situation’s a little bit different. There’s no one size that fits all when it comes to tax planning. But often when I work with people, we’ll create a strategy where we will convert traditional IRAs to Roth over time. And that not only reduces taxes in the future, but it will also lower the tax they’ll be paying on their Social Security.
SPEAKER 05 :
Is that kind of strategy really only for the wealthy?
SPEAKER 15 :
Not at all. Many of my clients who have modest IRAs have chosen to convert to Roth over time. They enjoy the freedom of having a tax-free nest egg that they can access on their own timeline rather than an RMD schedule.
SPEAKER 05 :
Well, that is excellent. And how can people reach you if they want to learn about their own taxation in retirement?
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SPEAKER 08 :
Listen online, klzradio.com. Back to Rush to Reason.
SPEAKER 06 :
And welcome back to Rush to Reason, Denver’s Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560. Online right now, we’ve got Bob and Thornton. Bob, quick question here. Were you in the military?
SPEAKER 10 :
I was. What branch?
SPEAKER 1 :
1967.
SPEAKER 06 :
What branch?
SPEAKER 10 :
Army.
SPEAKER 06 :
You know, Bob, we in the Air Force used to pull you guys aside and say, tell me about the war.
SPEAKER 10 :
Yeah, well, let’s say you’re walking down the street, and you’re in the Army, and on the other side of the street was a bunch of Marines, so you went, oh, boy, those guys are tough.
SPEAKER 07 :
Yeah.
SPEAKER 10 :
So we better just, you know, scatter and get out of here. But if you’re walking, if you were in the Army and you were walking down the street and there was a bunch of airmen across the street, you went, oh, God, come on, really?
SPEAKER 06 :
But we wore those cute little hats, you know, that fold at the top. It was great. You could do it with paper if you wanted if you ran out of hats. Anyway, go ahead, Bob. What do you got?
SPEAKER 10 :
So John from Wyoming, Cheyenne, and Joe from New Jersey. Yep. Between the two of those guys, if they got together, they could have their own radio show. They’re great.
SPEAKER 06 :
Yeah, Joe’s up next hour.
SPEAKER 10 :
I’m from New York State, but 450 miles away from where John from Cheyenne was. He was a New Yorker. I was a Buffalonian. And let me tell you about my hometown. McKinley was assassinated there in 1901. But let’s talk about the 20th century coming into Buffalo, New York. And that was at the east end of Lake Erie.
SPEAKER 06 :
You just got a minute here, sir, but go ahead.
SPEAKER 10 :
And the west end of Lake Erie was Detroit. In the early 20th century, Detroit and Buffalo were number five and six richest cities in the U.S.
SPEAKER 06 :
Yep.
SPEAKER 10 :
And my hometown in my lifetime, so I’m 75, so 1950 till now, has lost two-thirds of their population. When I was born, the population was 750,000. It is now 250,000. All of the industry is gone, all of it. The last place that closed up was a place my dad worked for 43 years, Dunlop Tire. and they closed it up about three months ago. It was owned by Sumitomo. And the governor there could have cared less. But she has plenty of money to plow into a new stadium for the Buffalo Bills that their owners are, their net worth is $6 billion.
SPEAKER 06 :
But who cares about a Dunlop factory that gives tons of great jobs?
SPEAKER 10 :
Well, my dad worked there. They opened there in Buffalo in 1923, and my dad worked there his entire working life, 43 years, and raised five children and a house and a vacation and a new car every couple years. And 1,550 people were shown the door about three months ago, gone. See, Bob, this year… They could make tires from now until forever for another 125 years.
SPEAKER 06 :
Bob, what you’re describing is what I was talking about. The urban areas are areas that the left has taken, eaten alive, destroyed, and then they move out.
SPEAKER 10 :
Yeah.
SPEAKER 06 :
And it’s such a shame because these are beautiful places. Buffalo, beautiful city.
SPEAKER 10 :
Well, except the weather.
SPEAKER 06 :
Well, you know, I’m from Wisconsin, so you know.
SPEAKER 10 :
But other than that, our biggest employer there was Bethlehem Steel at their peak. They employed 40,000 people. Now, that was during World War II. But gone. And now let me tell you about moving here 52 years ago. I came here. I bought a brand-new house. It was a modest house, but brand-new. It was better than what I had in Buffalo, two-car garage and, you know, nice house, 36,000 buttons. A house like that now would be $700,000. Right. And you know what they’re building here now? Apartment after apartment after apartment. And these young folks that want, oh, I want that Colorado lifestyle, they’re moving here, and they’re moving into a 500- or 600-square-foot apartment, and they have to have two or three roommates to pay $2,000 a month. And, you know, when they get a few years older… That’s going to be, they’re going to go, what am I doing here doing this?
SPEAKER 06 :
And Bob, you’ve only got about 20 seconds here, but how is that a Colorado lifestyle? Being packed in like sardines to a little room. Go ahead.
SPEAKER 10 :
What I came here for.
SPEAKER 06 :
Yeah. I came here for wide open spaces, right?
SPEAKER 10 :
Yeah. Colorado. The mountains. I can’t go to wide open spaces anymore because the traffic is so bad. And once you get there. You have to have a reservation to park your car and throw a blanket down to have a picnic.
SPEAKER 06 :
And you know why the traffic is so bad? Because the liberals who are in charge won’t make more lanes. They give us bike lanes. I can’t drive on those. I get in trouble.
SPEAKER 10 :
I can’t go downtown anymore because the left-hand side is bikes only, and the right two lanes are buses only. Yes! One lane for car traffic. I’m an Uber driver, so I don’t even go there anymore.
SPEAKER 06 :
Bob, please, I wish you could be mayor. I just want you to know my entire life would change if you were the mayor of Denver. I got to let you go, sir. Thank you. Take care. Gosh, is he right?
SPEAKER 18 :
So right. I live down there. I witness it every day.
SPEAKER 06 :
Tanner Coleman, thank you so much for joining me. I appreciate it. It was awesome. Folks, that is the end of hour number two. Coming up next in hour number three, we’re going to have Jersey Joe. We’re going to be talking politics. We’re going to be talking humor. We’re going to be having a lot of fun. Until then, keep it right here on Rush to Reason, KLZ 560.
SPEAKER 03 :
Ordinary rich guy.
SPEAKER 1 :
Ordinary rich guy.
