Join John Rush in a compelling discussion with Ann VanderSteel of the American Made Foundation as they dive deep into the controversial world of pharmaceutical politics. Are drug prices reflective of true market value, or are they manipulated by conglomerates for profit? Listen as Ann sheds light on the hidden influences Congress faces from lobbyists, and the public’s growing distrust following the COVID-19 pandemic. Expect candid insights into Pfizer’s recent actions and their implications on public trust.
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All right, hour number two, Rush to Reason, Denver’s Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560. Myself, Andy Pate, Charlie Grimes. A lot more to talk about as we get into hour two. Those of you texting in, I’ll do my best to get those answered as quickly as I can as well. They usually come flying in, and I haven’t even read all of them, so I will do my best to get those handled and get back to you guys as quickly as I can. Remember, when I’m on air, I still do my best to get those answered, but sometimes it takes me just, Andy, just a tad to get those answered. Well, you’re also doing a show. Well, I’m trying to organize everything at one time, but that’s all right. Ann VanderSteel joining us now. Ann, welcome. How are you doing?
SPEAKER 10 :
I am great. How are you gentlemen doing?
SPEAKER 16 :
I’m very good. We usually have your co-art, Maureen, on. We’ve had you as well. Co-founders of American Made Foundation. Before we get started, talk about the American Made Foundation and what you guys do.
SPEAKER 10 :
Thank you so much for that opportunity. Yes, American-Made Foundation and American-Made Action are our 501c3 nonprofit and our 501c4 action arm. We are focused on education, specifically on your constitutional rights. We have been very hyper-focused on child protective services for the last better part of a year, really trying to rein in the overarching tyranny that has been extended through your taxpayer money coming out of the Health and Human Services Division of Social Security Administration funding 50 states of child protective services, which really amount to child trafficking, because in the end, the majority of these cases don’t even meet the legal threshold to have children separated from families. So we’ve been educating folks who’ve done documentaries, written hundreds of articles, But now we’re filing lawsuits on behalf of families through our American-made action arm. So that’s really what we’re focused on at the moment.
SPEAKER 16 :
Awesome. All right. Talk to us about Pfizer. I did a little bit last week. Didn’t get into super depth when it comes to the drug price thing that they’ve put together with the White House, the Trump Rx website. Talk to us about that. And what are your feelings? Is that really going to make any difference? Is it going to stay the same? What are your thoughts there?
SPEAKER 10 :
Well, so really, to me, this is more about red meat for the American public because it’s coming to light very quickly that the pharmaceutical industry, along with a few lobbyists, really control Congress. And so Congress has not been working for the American public for quite some time. And when every commercial is brought to you by Pfizer, we now understand the media propaganda arm. What we’re seeing now and what we’re hearing, frankly, is people, while they understand the need to reduce the price of pharmaceuticals, the American taxpayer has been subsidizing the rest of pharmaceuticals for the rest of the world for quite some time. They’re still not over the COVID scam, and people are recognizing overarching the studies that are coming out. Now that we have large, massive cohort studies worldwide that are exposing, the Pfizer jab was deadly. Was it really safe and effective? No. That has been being proven time and time again through some of these very big cohort studies worldwide that these studies really started across in the other countries, and now they’re making their way here to the United States. So people are upset. You know, to see the CEO of Pfizer in the Oval Office was upsetting. While we are grateful for the bread and circuses of getting reduced drug prices and no longer shepherding and funding pharmaceuticals for others around the world, people want accountability. They want to understand what happened, why we were continuing to mandate, why the corporations were given a pass, and why Fauci is still walking around freely when clearly Fauci and the Department of Defense with their own Pfizer document dumps knew that these shots were not safe and effective. So America is not comfortable with that aspect of it. And I think they’re really looking for accountability. I think Americans have moved past right now. We’re seeing our economy is still trying to come back from the Joe Biden presidency. And so we’re really looking for more than just financial accountability. People want answers as to as to what happened with with covid and why we were tweeted the way we were.
SPEAKER 07 :
Well, and I agree with you 100 percent on that. But really quick here on lowering the prices, because obviously Trump is demanding most favored status nation status for America to where we’re not, as you say, funding research for everybody else around the planet. OK, so let’s say Pfizer comes out and they do lower prices. The drug costs for Americans cross the board and basically follow what Trump is saying. Aren’t a lot of people going to be pretty angry, though? Aren’t they going to look at Pfizer and say, so what were you doing with the money up until then? So are you telling us that all of a sudden you can cut our drug prices by 50 percent? What were you doing before? Yeah, good question, Andy.
SPEAKER 10 :
I couldn’t agree with you more. I think their question speaks for itself. It’s really rhetorical, isn’t it? They have been putting the screws to the American people for decades right now. And as I said, we’ve been funding, you know, inexpensive pharmaceuticals for everybody. And that has been really what Americans have been doing with taxes across the board since 1913 for the introduction of the income tax amendment. which, as we all know, was passed in the dead of night without a quorum. So really, when you look at everything the federal government has done since they started really incorporating the federal government and using the Federal Register Act, And, you know, the acts of essentially weaponizing the agencies against the people, bringing the foxes into the hen house from industries that they’re supposed to be regulating so that they can pass on the pricing to America and basically subsidize the rest of the world. Yeah, Americans are pissed and they should be. They absolutely should be. But, you know, take it one step further. When we are now giving people a shiny object of, hey, you know, America, it’s all going to be good. You’re getting reduced prices. Are we not still addressing the issue of the mRNA platform, which is what brought the COVID shots and poisoned a lot of people and created a lot of problems by rearranging your body’s ability to make spike protein out of control, which is causing this inflammation and myocarditis and turbo cancer and all the other side effects of diseases we’re seeing right now that are coming out in these massive studies all over the world? We are not addressing what Pfizer is still producing, which is the ability to manipulate your DNA. It’s not it’s not that’s not going to fly with the American public. And frankly, that’s what we’re hearing. The blowback is coming back. And frankly, the executive branch and Congress needs to deal with this. And, you know, we’re in trouble right now because, frankly, we don’t have a judiciary that I think is really exciting with the American people. And they’re not looking at law. They’re not adjudicating based on law. They’re legislating from the bench.
SPEAKER 16 :
Agreed. Yeah, I agree with you on that one wholeheartedly. Absolutely. Yep, you’re 100% correct. Okay, so one last question because one of the things, too, that I would like to see happen, don’t know if there’s any progress in this, but I’ve heard Robert Kennedy Jr. talk about this. You talked about the pharma ads earlier and the fact that that’s really all you see when you watch a lot of TV. My feeling is those things need to go away. Is that going to happen?
SPEAKER 10 :
You know, you would think with, frankly, where are we with the Smith-Munt Modernization Act, right? Why is it completely just made, we should reverse that. We should go back to Smith-Munt. We don’t need to modernize it. We didn’t need to turn the mainstream media into a weaponized propaganda arm for psychological operations against the American people through our mainstream media, which is what the government has done. When you look at what agency government has done from censorship and the Communications Decency Act where the Ninth Circuit wholly and frankly ignores the interpretation of Section 230, the immunity clause, basically protecting all platforms when they want to exercise censorship and use agencies. Remember, these agencies and their instrumentalities, meaning their other corporations that they farm the business out to, like the fact-checkers and so forth, they’re all basically government agencies, and they’ve been allowed to be weaponized through the Ninth Circuit, protecting all of technocracy in Silicon Valley. So if we don’t get control of what is being said on television while they’re punishing the rest of us that are opposing what is being said on television and taking away our ability to have freedom of speech, then we are losing our country and our First Amendment is completely at jeopardy. So this is where Congress needs to step in. This is where the Department of Justice needs to stand by President Trump’s two executive orders acknowledging that the Communications Decency Act, Section 230, specifically Clause C-1, is absolutely on the mark. It’s 100 percent right. They need to force, through the DOJ, the Ninth Circuit to do their job, interpret that clause properly. and stops weaponizing technocracy against us, stop the censorship. Once that happens, then the watershed moment happens for America and the truth comes out. Getting rid of Smith-Munt would be a big step.
SPEAKER 07 :
Oh, yeah. Let’s face it. They’ve been allowing these platforms to act as publishers and editors. That’s right. That’s not their job. Correct. OK, that’s not their job. But all they’re doing is they hold a portion of the public square. They’re not supposed to edit what’s in it. And the moment they do that, they should be subject to a whole different set of laws. And they haven’t been right.
SPEAKER 10 :
That’s well, exactly. And the problem is they’re misinterpreting the Section 230 C1 immunity clause. specifically in the Ninth Circuit. By the way, just for juxtaposition, in Federal Circuits 3, 4, and 5, there were similar cases to the one that I’m talking about referencing in the Ninth, Fick v. Facebook, Jason Fick. He went to the Supreme Court three times after Ninth Circuit dismissed the case, so he appealed and went to the Supreme Court, never getting due process, never getting heard. In fact, his case, which went for a writ of certiorari for the request to be heard, has three cases. amicus briefs attached to it. Ours, our foundations, as well as General Flynn’s foundation, and another amicus brief. Do you know they opted to take a case of a single man in prison, a Rastafarian with dreadlocks, who the prison ward was threatened to cut his hair? And he said, no, you can’t cut my dreads. I’m exercising my religious freedoms on our First Amendment. They decided to hear a case for one man versus a case that affects 350 million people. So, again, the courts are a problem. We need to fix this through real, you know, simplify the elections, paper ballots, same day, voter ID. We’ll get a temperature of America here very quickly when we know what’s what. We stop using these machines that are clearly being rigged and being proven to be rigged. So that’s where we are.
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Awesome.
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No, I appreciate it. Ann VanderSteel again, American Made Foundation. How do folks find you, Ann?
SPEAKER 10 :
You can hit me up at annbandersteel.com or at annbandersteel on any of the social media platforms. I’m there. Thank you so much.
SPEAKER 16 :
Always a joy having you. Thank you very much. Say hello to Maureen as well for us. We appreciate you.
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All right. You all have a good night.
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All right. We are back. Rush to Reason, Denver’s Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560. OK, kind of dovetailing into what we were talking about a moment ago with our last guest. Let’s talk a little bit more about the governorship here in Colorado. It will be a big race. Our last caller, Mary, last hour, I think really did a good job of alluding to what we’re going to be up against. This will be, you know, I know we say it every time, one of the biggest elections that Colorado has seen. But, you know, the last election, I’m sorry to say. We didn’t have any real solid candidates that were running against Polis. And I’m not trying to be rude here. And if there’s anybody listening that know any of the individuals that were running, this is not to be rude, but I called that race. And this is where even I and our last caller might disagree some. In Colorado anyways, while I would love to see paper, not mail-in, ballots that are actually done same day, voter ID, the whole nine yards. Yes, I would love to see that. You’re not going to get that.
SPEAKER 07 :
No, the market doesn’t want it.
SPEAKER 16 :
Yeah, I would love to see that, but it’s not going to happen. But I will tell you this. I was one point, and I’m not bragging. Andy knows because we had a contest in the last governor’s race here in Colorado. I was one point off of calling the race from Governor Polis to Heidi Ganahl. I was one point off was all.
SPEAKER 07 :
Because we both thought she was going to get clobbered. But I thought she would get in less than 15 points. You said, nope, over.
SPEAKER 16 :
And given that, and I was only off one point, how could the machines be the problem, folks? How could mail-in voting be the problem, folks? I mean, I’m going against a lot of you that – and again, I am for going in that direction if you could ever get it done in Colorado. But with our current voting system, I was still only off by calling – calling that election, I was only off by one point when it was all said and done. So my question to you all is, is how can all of those systems be that far off when I called it so accurately?
SPEAKER 07 :
They can’t, and they’re not. OK, I’m sorry, but those systems have been tested quite a bit, John. And I’m not saying there’s no fraud here in Colorado. I’m not saying we don’t need a better system. I’m not saying you would have. But the numbers simply don’t indicate any kind of wide disparity.
SPEAKER 16 :
And this is where I get frustrated because you’re always going to have some fraud. You could have same day voter fraud. Voter ID, people have to register correctly, blah, blah, blah. You could still have paper ballots. Even the counting of, you could have fraud when it’s all said and done. Folks, trust me, humans are sinful. We do things that benefit us on a daily basis, and that’s never going to change, Andy.
SPEAKER 07 :
Yeah, these people who deify paper ballots, have they never heard of Fulton County with boxes of votes, boxes of ballots? Come on, guys. Come on. You can cheat with paper just fine.
SPEAKER 16 :
Andy, you can cheat anyway. You can cheat. Yeah. And it’s going to always happen. Men are fallible. We’re sinners. You’re going to cheat. Well, and Democrats will cheat. So we do the best we can. I’m sorry, but they love to cheat. So we’re going to do the best we can to overcome that. But my point is, here in Colorado especially, how could I pick that race within one point? when there was all this cheating going on.
SPEAKER 07 :
You couldn’t.
SPEAKER 16 :
Thank you.
SPEAKER 07 :
Okay, so… Unless you were very lucky, and that’s… And I wasn’t lucky.
SPEAKER 16 :
I had it pretty well paid. Moving forward.
SPEAKER 07 :
Okay, looking back at Victor Marks.
SPEAKER 16 :
Yeah, let’s go back to… And by the way, this is true for all the candidates. No matter which candidate we’re talking about, I think this is going to be true for all of them. And if any of you are candidates or you know a candidate and you’re listening… These are the things, and I wrote this down just a moment ago. I didn’t do this ahead of time as we were getting into this topic. I just quickly, through our last conversation in the breaks, I wrote these things down. And I want to see what Andy thinks of this. But these are the things that I think, topically speaking, if you’re going to run for governor, you’ve got to make sure you’ve got a good handle on. And I know this is going to go against the grain for some that might be listening, but here’s how this is going to work. And by the way, this is in no particular order. We maybe could prioritize these and say, okay, these are going to be your top three or top four. But I have one, two, three, I have six things on here that I feel are big issues that whoever’s going to run for governor needs to talk about. Number one, homelessness. Agreed. That’s a big deal to a lot of people that don’t feel safe walking around their own towns, their own cities, their own communities because of the homeless population and how it’s blown up.
SPEAKER 07 :
Yeah. And before you go on from that, and I don’t mean that you’re going to treat it gently. I mean, people are going to want to hear real answers.
SPEAKER 16 :
What are you going to do to get rid of our homeless?
SPEAKER 07 :
Yeah, yeah. How are you going to handle this? Look, most Americans are going to want a very Trumpian approach to this, which is very simple. You are given these choices.
SPEAKER 16 :
Yep. We’re going to clean the streets up.
SPEAKER 07 :
Yeah. You will get off the streets. Our businesses will not have the homeless in front of them anymore, period, end of story. We are going to spend the money to have places where we can house you and you can get treatment. You will either go into those places or you will go to prison. That is your choice, but you will not be allowed to be homeless on the streets anymore. It is not fair to the businesses paying the tax.
SPEAKER 16 :
Yep. The next one is, of course, in Colorado, the high cost of living. This includes housing, energy, insurance, a lot of things that are affecting us day to day. And some of these things might even dovetail into that, which I would even throw another line item on that would be, you know, property taxes, which is affecting everybody’s cost of living. Even those that rent high property taxes eventually get passed down to that end user, which is the renter in that case. So high property taxes. My feeling is, by the way, if I were governor and I was running, I would propose that, and some states have done this, I would propose that we need a cap on property taxes, period. They cannot go higher than X. Your mill levies for your schools, guys, can’t go any higher than X. You’re going to have to figure out, school boards and so on, how you’re going to handle things budgetarily speaking with a cap on property taxes. You’re no longer going to be able to just have runaway taxes like you’ve had in the past. Right. That’s ending.
SPEAKER 07 :
And I would say that the other thing for affordability, you mentioned earlier, energy. I would say this, and it’s very simple. Bang for the buck. Yep. Okay? We are going to give you the most energy for your dollar, period. End of story. We are not going to force you to pay for other people’s agenda.
SPEAKER 16 :
That’s right. That’s right, which this goes to what Andy just said. This also dovetails into the whole health care end of things. That’s a big deal to the majority of people in Colorado. We’ve got to figure out a way to reduce the cost of health care and what it takes to keep your family healthy. And by the way, there’s all sorts of things. We’ve got doctors that you could rely on, like Dr. Scott and others, that you could go through and show, listen, we can lower the cost of health care. This isn’t that hard to do. Next two I’ve got, by the way, quality of life. The quality of life in Colorado isn’t getting any better. We’ve got to improve that. As somebody running for governor, that would be something that I would focus on. In fact, Andy, that might be my number one thing that I would move to the whole top of the list is quality of life.
SPEAKER 07 :
That’s great, but it’s kind of general. Do you mean like crime? What are you talking about?
SPEAKER 16 :
I think all of what we’re talking about dovetails into quality of life, and that’s exactly how I would say it.
SPEAKER 07 :
Because, by the way, I think crime is a big one right now.
SPEAKER 16 :
It is. And the Republican position on crime really sells. That goes back to the whole homelessness sense of things, by the way. I think you could do homelessness slash crime because it’s one and the same in a lot of cases because a lot of the homelessness creates crime. Right.
SPEAKER 07 :
And I think you can tell this sells across the board. You ask voters. When your life is in danger, when there is a threat to you or your property, do you call a cop or do you call a social worker?
SPEAKER 16 :
Lastly, and this one’s a big one for you and me both, Andy, but I think it is to a lot of Coloradans because this even affects rural America, roads and transportation. Huge. That’s got to be one big bullet point that’s on your campaign is how are you going to handle transportation in Colorado? Fix our roads. Fix our bridges. Make it easier to get from A to B. And no, I’m not talking about mass transit. How are you going to help me physically get from A to B faster?
SPEAKER 07 :
And I would be hammering away with two words, more lanes.
SPEAKER 16 :
Yep, more lanes. How are we going to do that? How are we going to get what we have fixed? This is big in rural Colorado. How are we going to fix the lanes you guys already have? Because rural America, or sorry, well, rural Colorado, but rural America. In Colorado, though, it’s the rural areas that are really suffering the most from a lot of the policies that have happened down here at the Capitol. How are you going to fix those things?
SPEAKER 07 :
Right. More lanes, fewer potholes. It’s real simple.
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SPEAKER 16 :
All right, we are back. Rush to Reason, Denver’s Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560. Myself, Andy Pate. Marty, go ahead.
SPEAKER 06 :
Gentlemen, shalom and thank you for the time. I mean, no trouble, but the state of Colorado is about at that rock bottom moment. I know I think you, John, had maybe mentioned that maybe it was a Victor March too extreme to get that middleman.
SPEAKER 16 :
No, no, no. What I said was what Andy and both have been saying is I think of all the candidates we have, he’s probably at this point, and I don’t know him that well. Time will tell how well he does in regards to his campaign and so on. But right now, I think he’s probably the best candidate to reach the middle out of all of what we’ve got.
SPEAKER 06 :
Oh, beautiful, John. And I’m actually seconding you with that because, you know, we’re really the Democrats have done this to themselves because they’ve propped up such a you want to talk about a wild to the extreme candidate. That’s Jared Polis. Yes. You know, and his policies have shown and it’s led to the decay.
SPEAKER 16 :
Yes.
SPEAKER 06 :
This is such a beautiful light for the state because this is an extreme. This would be in a very extreme situation. a shift in, certainly, spirituality for Colorado. And I think that that’s so much more attractive when you are faced with dealing with extremes, meaning I have to choose from this essential guy who’s going to sign off on the pedophile, or who’s going to say, no, no, you need to repent and go to church. I think they’re going to start to dip their toe in that more pure, righteous sense if they are, in fact, in the middle. And, guys, if you actually even believe our votes count, I mean, that we’re going to get rid of all this shenanigans of, you know, mail-in voting. You heard my answer on that.
SPEAKER 16 :
You heard my answer on that a moment ago, or maybe not. You might have been calling in and talking to Charlie when I was saying that. But, Marty, my answer back to that comment is, then why was I only one point off in the last governor’s race in picking it? If there’s that many shenanigans in Colorado, and by the way, I’m not saying there aren’t any, but if there’s that much widespread shenanigans, why was I only a point off in picking the last election?
SPEAKER 06 :
Well, and I think why you’re doing that is you’re also always factoring in a spread.
SPEAKER 16 :
No, I’m not. No, I’m not. No, that last election, I knew right off the bat. And Andy and I had a contest. I got a cake out of the deal when it was all said and done that Andy was kind to get me. But at the end of the day, I didn’t factor any spread of any kind in that. I know. Here’s the difference, Marty, between, I think, myself and a lot of other folks that are on air. Maybe not all, but a lot of other folks that are on air. I know Colorado. I’m a native. I talk to a lot of people. I know what people want when it comes to a candidate in the state of Colorado, and I feel like I know that better than most, Marty. That’s why I was right.
SPEAKER 07 :
Well, and also, if I may, Marty, John and I, we were looking at how that campaign was being sold, and we said this absolutely will not sell to the Colorado market. I thought it was going to be bad. John thought it was going to be worse than bad, and that’s why he nailed it. And it was. It had nothing to do with fraud. I don’t know, even if the Democrats who I believe love fraud, I mean, any party that is against voter ID loves fraud. But even a party that loves fraud, I don’t know if they bothered in that election. Why would you?
SPEAKER 16 :
Well, and even in the last one with Trump, Marty, we picked some other races that were extremely close, Gabe Evans and others. And frankly, we picked those on the front side as well. And again, Andy and I were not that far off and no, we’re not counting for a spread. So given that we’re not that far off in predicting who wins and loses, how is it the machine’s fault? How is it the paper ballots fault? How is it the mail-in voters fault? Marty, answer that for me. Yeah, we said Evans would be within a point. And he was.
SPEAKER 06 :
Yeah. I’m willing to hope and beg and pray that they are sincere, that we’re actually counting. I don’t want to think that the government is in there doing that, so I’m not debating that part. I guess what I’m saying to you guys is that the suburban person – because supposedly Jared Polis won Douglas County, and I don’t meet – I’m in Douglas. I don’t meet that person very often, but I guess the person, John, guys, that voted for Jared Polis in 22 – Instead of hiding it all, they could pick a Victor Marks, or are they going to go with the Phil Weisers, the Jenna Griswolds? You turn that guy—
SPEAKER 16 :
It depends on how he runs this campaign, what he talks about, and what he focuses on. But I will tell you that some of those voters that probably did, in fact, vote for Polis because they didn’t like – I’m sorry to say, but Mad Moms didn’t sell. You come out at the very end of your campaign saying, you know, this is the Mad Moms campaign, Marty. You just turned a ton of your voters off.
SPEAKER 06 :
Guys, how well does gay Jewish man sell? Give me a break. Actually, in this blue state, not bad.
SPEAKER 16 :
Well, and let me finish, because he doesn’t come off that way, Marty. To the middle-of-the-road voter, he doesn’t come off as – because Jared Polis, by the way, he is the ultimate snake. No doubt about it. That guy hides his true identity so well that nobody really knows who he is, Marty. That’s how he does it.
SPEAKER 06 :
True, true. I agree with you 100% on that. And again, now start to look for the fruit. Maybe people have been burned that they have to ask that follow-up question. I’ve got to kind of see some fruit of this. And if you were looking for fruit on Jaren Polis, but not hearing what he said, just looking for fruit, there’s no way you’d make that vote. You wouldn’t.
SPEAKER 16 :
And I think now what’s happened, again, because it’s his second term, he didn’t care exactly what he did at the end of the day. When it was all said and done, all bets were off. It was his second term. He didn’t care anymore. And you really saw what he actually produced for Colorado, which was taking us down the toilet.
SPEAKER 06 :
It’s in the toilet. It’s probably not going to survive eight more years. You guys give it a shot. Eight more years. No, I can’t. No, no.
SPEAKER 16 :
Marty, we are already at a point where and I do think that we’re we have a window. And this is what I talked about yesterday. There’s some polling even that shows us we are at a window where they’re are enough, especially of that middle-of-the-road voter that, back to what I was talking about with property taxes, they’re tired of that. They’re tired of seeing all this money go out the window and the education of their kids get worse and worse. They’re tired of seeing all of this nonsense with transgenderism and so on. And, yes, they’re very frustrated. And we do have a window right now. But if our side doesn’t handle things correctly, if we let this hardcore, you know, rhino watch bunch run things, Marty, we’re screwed.
SPEAKER 06 :
Fair enough. I just hope that we’re at a point now is that we’ve had enough and we’re over it. Hey, it was we were a rebellious teenager. Mom and dad were right. And that’s coming back to the conservative side. That’s coming back to the center. And so these moms that got all caught up in the trans, maybe they’ve come to reality. the folks that were all into the BLM and the fires and the destruction, they might have snapped back too, now seeing how good things can be when law and order starts to come back somewhat. So, hey, good stuff, guys. Good stuff, Marty.
SPEAKER 16 :
I appreciate it very much. No, thank you. Go ahead, Andy.
SPEAKER 07 :
Okay, I’m going to give a cautionary tale to both you and Marty here for a moment. The top issues that really propel Democrats to winning here in Colorado have not changed. No, they have not. Number one, abortion. Okay. This is a very pro-choice state. I’m very pro-life. I’m being honest about the market. It is a very pro-choice state. I think all of the Republican candidates are pro-life. That’s going to be a problem. Environmentalism. This is a very stupid state when it comes to environmentalism and energy. Yes. Okay.
SPEAKER 16 :
Yes, it is.
SPEAKER 07 :
And it’s going to take a very good salesman because don’t get me wrong.
SPEAKER 16 :
You’re going to have to teach. You’re right. No, you’re going to have to educate and teach. That’s right. You’re going to have to say, listen, guys, do you realize that when Governor Polis took over, your energy bills were X. You were paying X for a kilowatt hour versus what you’re paying today. You were paying X for BTU of natural gas then versus now. This is what’s happened in the state from then versus now. And I want to reverse this.
SPEAKER 07 :
And I would also say you had this many oil companies who had headquarters here in Colorado, and now you only have this many. It’s been cut by like two-thirds. It’s an absolute disaster of jobs, okay? That is what you’re going to have to do. But those are huge issues. You would think, well, no, no, no. The economy is always number one, not here, okay? The economy in Colorado, and I know people will disagree. If you do polling, they’ll say the economy. They’re lying. Most of the women in our state… Only care about the abortion issue. I’m telling you it’s true. So right there, before you even get out of the gate, you’ve lost 45% of the vote right off the top. Before you even get started, John. It is that big of a deal here. Okay, so what I’m saying is this. Can we win in Colorado? Yeah, but it’s going to take a New Jersey style perfect storm. Like they’re seeing right now in New Jersey is, The Republican there should lose by 10 points. It’s going to be within two, I believe. Okay? It’s going to be that close. It’s a perfect storm. We’re going to need a perfect storm here in Colorado.
SPEAKER 16 :
I agree.
SPEAKER 07 :
And we’re going to have to overcome those things, those kind of issues.
SPEAKER 16 :
Part of your perfect storm, though, this time around, and I don’t know if any of this polling I read yesterday talks about this, but the one perfect storm you have in Colorado right now is… Because I do believe Michael Bennett’s going to be the Democrat candidate. You’re going to run against, and I said this the last time around when we ran against him on the Senate race, you’re going to run against one of the literally weakest Democrat candidates. He’s the most well-funded, but he will be the weakest actual candidate they could possibly run. Meaning, in that sense, we do have a grand opportunity because literally Michael Bennett can’t fight his way out of a wet paper bag. I’m not joking when I say that. Totally true. He’s awful.
SPEAKER 07 :
Yeah, absolutely true. And John, he crushed us. He did. Okay. He is an awful candidate. But because this state has gotten that blue on those key issues, okay, on those key issues, it’s gotten that blue. Because of that, this awful candidate annihilated us. Okay. Yeah, you’re right. Now, we have some huge advantages right now. The Trump economy is turning around. It’s going to be booming next year. The Charlie Kirk thing. I’m sorry.
SPEAKER 16 :
You could dovetail right into that one easily.
SPEAKER 07 :
Right now, a lot of Americans are looking at the left. Especially young Americans. A lot of Americans are looking at the left and saying, why do you hate, you hate free speech enough to kill somebody who used it? Right. And they’re looking at the left and branding them. And also, they’re looking at the left and just saying, and then you, you people on the left are dangerous. You scare us.
SPEAKER 16 :
Go ahead. No, I think that needs to dovetail in to be one of your top campaign things that you talk about all the way through this, Andy.
SPEAKER 07 :
Yeah. Absolutely. Free speech, not violence. And I mean, right now, the right is the side of free speech and not violence of nonviolent free speech. The left is the side of violence over free speech. OK, and we need to be selling that.
SPEAKER 09 :
Mm hmm.
SPEAKER 07 :
Look, we’ve got a lot of things that we can sell. We’ve got a lot of ways that we can win a lot of votes. I believe crime is huge. Well, I believe you are listing some very huge things. And by the way, we’ve got to talk about roads. And it’s got to be simple. It’s got to be packaged. It can’t be some long, drawn-out thing. No, no, no.
SPEAKER 16 :
All of these have to be simple, Andy.
SPEAKER 07 :
Yeah, four words. More lanes, fewer potholes. More lanes, fewer potholes. And from there, you can explain it from there, but you’ve got to get their attention right up front. I’m telling you, these people in Colorado want more lanes, fewer potholes. Okay?
SPEAKER 16 :
And keep in mind, folks, again, I’ve got to keep reminding everybody, those of you that are hardcore on the left, you’re going to vote your way anyways. It doesn’t matter. Yeah, you don’t count. You guys that are far right, you’re going to vote your way anyways. You don’t count either. It’s that middle-of-the-road, unaffiliated voter that you’re talking to when they’re sitting in their car in traffic frustrated or they’re going to the shop because their alignment’s knocked out because they just ran over a pothole. I can go down the list, folks, of people that are in that segment that are going to be looking at those issues saying, yep, you know what? You’re speaking my language.
SPEAKER 07 :
Yeah.
SPEAKER 16 :
And those are the people you’ve got to talk to, Andy. As we both know, those are the people you have to talk to.
SPEAKER 07 :
Exactly. Now, there are some issues that we’re not going to be able to dodge. You’re fine. Keep going. We’re good. Keep going. And here’s the big one, immigration.
SPEAKER 16 :
I didn’t, but I should have put that on my list.
SPEAKER 07 :
Okay, but there is no dodging. Now, the good news is it’s a 60-40 issue on our side right now, at least 55-45. Yeah, you’re right. The American people do want illegal immigrants to be removed. They do. Now, what I would do is I would not be hardcore on this. OK, I wouldn’t be hardcore because Colorado is very liberal on this. OK, but even Colorado overall leans in our favor. So what I would do is simply say this. We’re not going to protest when ICE comes here. We’re simply going to report to them. Here is somebody in the prison who is undocumented. You can have them. We’re not going to protest, but we’re also we don’t work for ICE and just leave it at that.
SPEAKER 16 :
Well, and really what you really need to focus on is we’re going to focus on those hardened criminals that are here that have been committing crimes. They are at the top of the list. They have to go.
SPEAKER 07 :
And at that point, you’ve got a 70-30 issue.
SPEAKER 16 :
That’s right. All right. We’ll take a break. We’ll come back. Got a couple calls coming in. Golden Eagle Financial. Al did a great interview of late. Listen in. You can find Al at klzradio.com.
SPEAKER 08 :
TJ here with KLZ and Al Smith of Golden Eagle Financial. And Al, I have a question for you. I’ve been putting money away for a while in a savings account or maybe a couple of investment accounts, but what am I doing wrong and what can you do better than that?
SPEAKER 13 :
Well, I think a savings account is important because all the financial gurus, including myself, agree you should have three to six months savings that you have ready liquid access to. But retirement planning is a bit more long-term and And it’s a bit more strategic. We want to take a look at the sum of money you’ll need way into the future. And we want to look at how that money can last by providing you income for as long as you live.
SPEAKER 08 :
What kind of planning or strategy do you provide for folks with that that have a big savings but haven’t made that next step?
SPEAKER 13 :
Well, that’s a good question. If someone has a large amount in savings, one of the things I do is we have a conversation about their risk tolerance. Nobody’s comfortable losing money, but having money in the market over a long period of time is a mechanism to accumulate wealth. And so we talk about the different levels of risk and the different products that are available. And we don’t put everybody into one box, but I have an enormous assortment of financial products. And it’s not that there’s good ones or bad ones. It’s there are some that are more appropriate for some people, but not for others.
SPEAKER 08 :
And that sounds excellent. How can folks get in touch with you for that meeting?
SPEAKER 13 :
You can reach me at 303-744-1128. And if I’m not there, it goes to voicemail, but I return my voicemails promptly. And we could have a conversation in the office. If you live a considerable distance away, we can have a long phone conversation or a Zoom call, whichever you would prefer.
SPEAKER 08 :
And as always, you can find him at klzradio.com slash money. Al, thanks so much for joining us today.
SPEAKER 13 :
Well, thank you, TJ. Thanks for the conversation.
SPEAKER 08 :
You bet.
SPEAKER 05 :
Listen online, klzradio.com. Back to Rush to Reason. All right, we are back. Susan, you’re next.
SPEAKER 16 :
Go ahead.
SPEAKER 11 :
Hi, John.
SPEAKER 16 :
Hey, Susan.
SPEAKER 11 :
Hey, so I just wanted to comment again on the abortion issue. I texted you, but, you know, for the Republican candidates, if they are pro-life, which Republican they probably are, and as I said in the text, yeah, there’s so many conservative women who choose to vote on that topic alone.
SPEAKER 09 :
Right.
SPEAKER 11 :
And so as… As a Republican woman, conservative, the best thing that they could do, I feel, is say, yes, this is what I believe on abortion. However, I won’t take away your right to choose and leave it at that because they’re going to lose.
SPEAKER 16 :
If if they don’t go, like I said earlier, I really feel like in Victor’s case, given the fact that he’s close to a lot of these circumstances, he’s going to have to pivot on that particular situation and say, yep, I’m pro-life. I believe life is valuable. I believe that every life counts, by the way, whether it’s in the womb or it’s in the nursing home. It doesn’t matter. All life matters. And then he needs to share a story of somebody that he knew that was actually in that particular situation, which, by the way, he’ll be able to do better than any candidate if, in fact, he becomes that guy.
SPEAKER 07 :
Yeah. Well, good. Susan, I think we have to keep in mind, while there are a lot of Republican women who would say, I’m going to vote for you because you’re pro-life, I agree with you. That’s not going to sell in this state. This state is probably 70-30 pro-choice. And so what I would do is this. You’ve got to be honest and upfront. Am I pro-life? Absolutely. Do I believe that all of my beliefs must become your laws? Absolutely. No.
SPEAKER 16 :
Similar to what Susan just said.
SPEAKER 07 :
Yeah. In other words, and I would say, in other words, we’ve had a real problem. We’ve had a governor here for the last eight years who wanted every single one of his beliefs to become your law. That’s right. I don’t see it that way. Exactly. I don’t see it that way. I don’t want all my beliefs to become your laws. I want to unleash you. I don’t want to control you.
SPEAKER 16 :
And really quick, one thing you could dovetail in, and I think this also resonates with people because they’re seeing now what the outcome is. of some of our bad decisions in Colorado were. His husband is the one that pushed the Wolf Initiative through on the ballot initiative and is still big on that. And that’s another example of what Andy just said. You know, he and his husband both pushed their beliefs upon you.
SPEAKER 11 :
Yes, they did. And with friends and family who are ranchers on the Western Slope, That’s a disaster.
SPEAKER 16 :
It has been a total disaster. Absolutely.
SPEAKER 11 :
Yeah, it’s a disaster.
SPEAKER 16 :
And that’s another one of those where you could quickly go from talking, you know, you can see what we just did. The question was abortion. But now I’m talking about wolves when it’s all said and done. And you could easily pivot through that and move on to the next question.
SPEAKER 07 :
Yeah. And if I may, there’s another thing you can do with this. You see, Susan, there are some actually very popular positions within the abortion issue that we can take that if we say, look, I don’t want my that. I’m a pro-life activist. I don’t want my activism to be your laws. I don’t want my activism imposed on you. But. By that same token, I don’t want a pro-lifer to be forced to pay for somebody else’s choice, okay? I don’t want their activism to invade your wallet.
SPEAKER 16 :
Well, and the other thing that’s big, even in the abortion, the folks that even believe in abortions, is few of them love and or support late-term abortions. That’s another thing you could run on very easily.
SPEAKER 11 :
Yeah, that’s very true. That’s very true. And I’m just going to make one more comment before I leave. Go ahead. If any of the candidates, the Republican candidates, are listening, they need to hire John Rush and Andy to be their consultants.
SPEAKER 09 :
Thank you.
SPEAKER 11 :
And I texted that to you, too, because obviously the ones they’re working with aren’t getting Republicans elected.
SPEAKER 16 :
Well, part of that problem is, Susan, and for those candidates that are listening, please hear Andy and I out on this. The reason for that, Susan, is because what works in a lot of other states doesn’t work here. And those same consultants will take what worked in Oklahoma or Florida or Texas and they want to bring that here. It’s not the same state. You can’t do that.
SPEAKER 11 :
Right. That’s why I hired John and Andy.
SPEAKER 16 :
We’d love to help. There you go. Appreciate it, Susan. Thank you for your vote of confidence. I appreciate you greatly and love you. Thank you very much, Susan. I appreciate that. John, go ahead, man.
SPEAKER 04 :
Hey, guys. How you doing?
SPEAKER 16 :
I’m good. How are you?
SPEAKER 04 :
I’m just enjoying your last two hours. It’s been enlightening. A couple of quick things. On the property tax… But to fix that, the governor doesn’t have as much power as getting enough people in your state legislature that are willing to do it.
SPEAKER 16 :
And that’s something that he’s going to have to – that person would have to mention that. And I was thinking the same thing, John. Several of these, even the abortion thing, same situation. The governor themselves don’t set policy. They can now – keep this in mind, though. What a lot of governors can do, polls included, is – you get those people that are in that legislative body that are on your side to basically whip things through, quote unquote. That’s why it’s called whips and so on, is because they encourage them to run certain legislation. And trust me, the governor does more things behind the scenes than most people realize.
SPEAKER 04 :
Oh, absolutely. So like last year, we pushed our legislature the last time we elected him. property taxes it was the biggest issue yep we got out of our legislature a 25 property tax reduction nice it was beautiful i got my bill last week i opened it up and i was very pleasantly surprised at how much my taxes went down but it’s not permanent so you have to elect the people that are going to make it now we’re going to put it on the ballot to make it permanent but what i’m saying is Those are the people that need to be elected. And I think with everything that’s going on in Colorado, you might not be able to flip the senator of the House, but you might be able to get it where they don’t have a veto proof, you know.
SPEAKER 07 :
Right. legislation well and john really quick here if i may john it was really brilliant up there to make it’s really brilliant up there to make sure that that is not permanent because what does that make it it makes it a big issue every couple years that is damaging to democrats because now that you’ve lowered the cost of the property taxes how many democrats every democrat’s going to want to raise them that puts them under the gun right going into an election what’s hilarious is every
SPEAKER 04 :
legislative session in Wyoming, one of the Democrats from the city of Laramie or Teton County, which is where Jackson is, will bring up that we need a state income tax. They bring it up every legislative session and it never goes anywhere, but they will not let it go. But in Colorado, your governor keeps saying, well, I’m lowering state income tax on your Right. But he’s increasing fees on everything else. So if you add up all the fees, it comes out to the same thing.
SPEAKER 09 :
Right.
SPEAKER 04 :
Right. You’re right. One other thing real quick. I know I’m running out of time. I have said this to my senators, Democratic senators that are on. I have asked every single one of them. I’d love for you guys to hear this question out. When they say on the Democrat side, we got to fix health care. I have asked everyone that has said that in a response to their Twitter feed, what is the number of the bill that you sponsored to fix it? Because all that’s happening with this health care thing is they’re just keeping it. They don’t want to fix it so they can use it like they’re using it now in the shutdown. We’re going to shut the government down. Nobody has, and that’s either on either side of the aisle, has sponsored a bill. to say we’re going to fix this health care thing that happened during COVID and it’s going to expire. So they’re all… I got no use for all of them because they’re all hypocrites, I think.
SPEAKER 16 :
Can’t argue that. That’s just me, Ben. Can’t argue that. John, I appreciate it. Really quick, before we go to break, here is Michael Bennett’s top things that are on his website, by the way. Building Colorado’s future affordable homes for every family. By the way, that’s typical Democrat easy speak. That’s what they’ll run on. And my question, if I were somebody running against it, would be, how are you going to pay for that?
SPEAKER 07 :
Yeah.
SPEAKER 16 :
Yeah. How are you going to pay for that, Michael? That’s a great goal. But how are you going to pay for that? Number two, keeping Colorado kids safe online. OK, great. No offense. That’s not really your job as governor. That’s the job of the legislature. So you’re talking about some overarching thing that, frankly, at the end of the day, might work, might not work. Building opportunity for Colorado. OK, those are big words. What does that actually mean?
SPEAKER 07 :
Nothing.
SPEAKER 16 :
Exactly. Again, these are easy speak things. Standing up for Colorado, another one that doesn’t mean anything. Making progress in the Senate. Okay, well, you’re not going to be a senator, so that’s not going to make a hill of beans. But again, whoever’s running his campaign needs a dose of reality as to what Coloradans actually want. But I hope it stays this way, so don’t tell him anything along those lines. Cub Creek Heating and Air Conditioning right now. They’ve got a great furnace tune-up special. Talk to them today. Go to klzradio.com.
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SPEAKER 16 :
All right, Andy just said through the break, which you can’t hear, that the left is going to paint Michael Bennett out to be this guy in the middle, this chess piece that’s in the middle, this middle-of-the-road guy, which what our side is going to have to do is prove and show through his voting record and so on that, no, he’s an extremist. He is a hardcore lefty through and through, and you’ve got to show that he is nowhere as close to the middle as… at all and somebody’s gonna have to come out and show that on the campaign trail yeah basically here’s where you are here’s where his votes say his that’s exactly right all right another full hour coming your way rush to reason denver’s afternoon rush klz 560
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