Hour 2 opens with classic “Rush to Reason” attitude, then Andy Peth and John Rush bring on Mark Mix from the National Right to Work Committee to break down Virginia’s push to expand collective bargaining for government employees—and why public-sector unions change the accountability equation for taxpayers. They connect the dots to costs, leverage, and the “monopoly on monopoly” problem, with a quick refresher on the Janus decision and what union membership and dues rules look like today.
Then the show pivots to election integrity and the SAVE Act conversation with Priscilla Rahn, tackling the loudest claims being thrown around—especially
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Okay, we are back. Hour number two, Rush to Reason, Denver’s Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560. Myself, Andy Pate, and Mark Mix joining us now. And Mark is from the National Right to Work Committee. Mark, how are you today, sir? Welcome back.
SPEAKER 16 :
John, I’m doing fine. Andy, it’s good to be with you. I want you to know, last Tuesday, I was in Denver. I was driving on the west side on 25, and I heard your interview with the gentleman that was going to have a new method for nominating people. And Andy’s monologue was fantastic. He said, collectivists collect. And I can’t get that out of my mind. Well, thank you. It was fascinating to listen to you guys. I had a couple meetings out there. If I was really bold, I would have stopped by the studio. You should have. And Pat and Andy on the back and you on the head.
SPEAKER 03 :
Oh, we would have had you in a heartbeat. Next time you’re in this area, by all means, Mark, send me a text message and reach out, and we’d love to have you. Absolutely. Mark, we’re honored. Yeah, that’s awesome.
SPEAKER 16 :
Well, that was an interesting model. You guys were very, very patient and very kind. But when he finally said that students were going to develop the model, I got a little worried. But anyway.
SPEAKER 03 :
Well, and again, yes, to your point, had a good conversation. We sort of broke that down even afterwards, as you know. Yeah, nice guy, although we’re going to talk about that a little bit later as well, even the two-party system. But talk to us about what’s going on in Virginia, Mark.
SPEAKER 16 :
Yeah, just earlier today, the House of Delegates and the State Senate passed a bill that’s going to basically unionize every government employee in the Commonwealth of Virginia, except for, it looks like, higher education employees. And this is something that’s new and something that was a promise by the Democrats. If they took control of the legislature, they did that. And so today, that bill passed in the House, it passed in the Senate, it’s going to cross over today. And instead of heading the direction that other states are heading when it comes to the unionization of government employees, Virginia is heading completely the wrong way. It’s states like Wisconsin and other states and Tennessee and Arkansas that had these models in place and they’ve reformed them because they understand, much like Colorado has since Bill Ritter signed an executive order, I think back in, what, 2010, basically granting unionization privileges for certain government employees in Colorado, that it’s the wrong direction if you want to hold elected officials accountable and take what is a private organization from in between voters and elected officials and get them out of the way so that we can run government again. This is a bad day for Virginia.
SPEAKER 03 :
I agree. And Andy and I have this very, how should I say this, definitive… opinions, if you would, when it comes to unionization of any government worker. And Mark, I am one whereby, given the fact they work for me, the taxpayer, I do not want any public entity, if you would, unionized at all. I think that is not the proper role of government. I don’t think they should be able to unionize. I, as a taxpayer, don’t get any input into that whatsoever. And I’m the one writing their checks.
SPEAKER 16 :
Yeah, that’s exactly the right position. That’s the position of Franklin Delano Roosevelt. When asked the question about unionizing government employees, he said, you can’t do it. The model is not the same. And you have government, which is by definition a monopoly, and it was able to use force. That’s the one institution we allow to use force that way. When you say that they have a monopoly and then you put a monopoly over a monopoly, it causes trouble. And we see California, New York, New Jersey, Rhode Island, Connecticut. Illinois in particular is a state that’s on the precipice of financial ruin, and when you look at it, it’s the cost of government, and that cost of a government can go up. John, only 14 localities responded to the fiscal note that was on this bill out of the 133 cities and counties in Virginia, and Chesterfield County estimated $163 million in additional costs for expenses, salaries, wages, and benefits when this is implemented. Wow. I mean, a little county like Bedford County had a 10% increase in labor costs. The numbers so far, based on this financial report, and you can find this on Al Gore’s amazing internet, $460 million in additional costs just by starting this process of bargaining with unions over how we’re going to run government.
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Mark, it’s very simple. No employee should have more negotiating leverage than the customer. But here’s what I mean. Let’s say at Ford or Chevy, when they have unions there, I think that those were very damaging, but at least the customer can take their money, walk out the door, and go buy a Toyota or go buy something else. That is the power of the customer. I can take my money, go out the door, walk out the door with my money. Now, with government, I can’t do that. There’s no competition. Right. So when a union in a private company runs up the cost of that private company, they do not have more negotiating leverage than the customer. Customer can walk out the door with their money. In government, the customer can’t. So when you unionize government employees, they can jack up the prices, jack up the costs, and also do a lot less work if they want. They can do whatever they want. They become gods. Why? Because their customer can’t walk out the door.
SPEAKER 03 :
And the boss, which is I, and you, Mark, and Andy, can’t say anything.
SPEAKER 16 :
Well, and there you two go again, especially you, Andy, for common sense. Doggone, you guys. Knock it off.
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I do it once a year. Exactly. Every now and then.
SPEAKER 16 :
You caught me on that good day. Yeah. You know, this is a fight we had in Wisconsin back when Governor Walker was there, when the state, you know, Wisconsin was the first state to introduce the concept of unionization of government employees at the state level in 1959. In 2011, Scott Walker said the only way to save the government from billion dollars of deficits with liabilities for pensions and health care costs and these things that, to your guys’ point, was driven up by this monopoly because there was no competition, he said we can’t sustain it anymore. And remember that story. There were thousands and thousands of people rioting and damaged to the state capital. That’s how important this is to organized labor because this is the final frontier for them. In the private sector, to Andy’s point, Dave, because there’s competition, when you squeeze the neck of the golden goose, the golden goose dies. In government, it’s like Elijah’s oil jar. I mean, remember every morning he woke up and there was just enough to make breakfast? That’s kind of what happens in government, is that this thing refills, and it refills with taxpayer money, unfortunately.
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Yeah, exactly. And I’m guessing, Mark, correct me if I’m wrong, but the unions themselves, they know that, this is my feeling, that the private sector, it’s starting to wane. People are really starting to realize that, wait a minute, what am I paying union dues for? Most of it just goes into the political end of things. If I want to donate, I can do that on my own. I don’t need my union doing it. And at the end of the day, you really don’t even represent me well. You take money. You run it off into this particular politician, that particular politician, this particular ballot measure and so on. So at the end of the day, I’m not getting my money’s worth. So why would I want to join a union? So my feeling, Mark, is the unions themselves are now jumping over to government, knowing that that’s a much easier target when it’s all said and done.
SPEAKER 16 :
Yeah, indeed. And the evidence shows that only about 5.9% of the private sector workforce is unionized today, and we’re still over 30%, 32% in the public sector. Because, to your point, John, they know where the final frontier is. That’s the place where, if you get control of it and sit at the same side of the table of the people you’re negotiating with, i.e. elected officials, after you’ve given them hundreds of thousands or millions of dollars to win their elections… it makes life pretty comfortable. And the only person that’s uncomfortable is the taxpayer that has to foot the bill for it. And we’re seeing it again and again and again.
SPEAKER 03 :
Okay, answer me a question, because maybe I’m thinking too far out, and maybe this isn’t even an avenue that you could go down. But given the fact that My tax dollars would be funding a union, and that union then goes and funds its favorite politician. I mean, isn’t that a direct conflict of interest, and couldn’t there be lawsuits leveraged against that from taxpayers themselves because my tax dollars are now going to fund political campaigns, and that’s not the way it’s supposed to work?
SPEAKER 16 :
Yeah, and that is the genesis of a Supreme Court case we won back in 2018. We litigated it here from the National Right to Work Legal Defense Foundation called Janus Fiasmi that protects every government worker from being forced to pay dues or fees to get or keep a job for government. However, union officials negotiate contracts where they’re in the onboarding for an employee and they have to have a couple of hours with the employee, and they have them sign a piece of paper that says, John and Andy, you must be a member in good standing of the union in order to work here in government. And when you look at that, the union guy says, well, here’s some paperwork. Sign this, and you’ll be in, and you’ll be a member in good standing. Well, unfortunately, a member in good standing doesn’t mean you have to be a member of the union. If you’re not a member of the union, they can’t force you to pay dues anymore because we got to the very First Amendment question you’re talking about, the idea of speech, and you can’t force speech. So we won that case, but yet unions still have a position in between the employee and the employer saying, when it comes to getting to sign this paper. And that’s how they profit from this. You know, we know that our case has taken about a billion dollars a year out of the union coffers, the government union coffers, because workers have been informed about this. But if you’re not informed about it and you read that contract, it says, must be a member in good standing of the union. You know, what else would you think other than, yeah, I guess I’ve got to sign this card or sign this paper that says I’m in the union. Then they can take money out of your paycheck. Then they can use it for politics, for ballot initiatives, all those things that unions are doing to maintain their position between taxpayers and elected officials.
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Oh, absolutely. This is why there shouldn’t be any unions in government work at all, period. End of story. It’s wonderful that you won that lawsuit, but the simple fact is this. They can apply all kinds of pressure. To the worker. And here’s the biggest problem. Let’s be honest, Mark. Most government workers are left wing. Most government workers are very Democrat. Therefore, they are very supportive of the unions. Therefore, the union doesn’t have to say a thing. Your co-workers are going to make life a living hell for you if you’re not part of the union.
SPEAKER 16 :
Yeah, and we hear those stories over and over again, Andy, on behalf of the clients that we represent and provide free legal services to. I mean, especially teachers. I mean, that’s where it’s really dangerous. Your point about unionization, I mean, here’s the deal. I mean, if they want to organize together voluntarily to redress their government, just like we do as taxpayers, that’s fine. But recognizing a private organization in between… that contract between taxpayers and elected officials is what the problem is. So, you know, the idea that unionizes is one thing, but recognizing them and then, like in Virginia, saying the union will be the sole voice in the workplace, mandating and dictating conditions of employment, benefits, wages, how we do business, that’s where the trouble begins, and that’s where Virginia’s heading. And unfortunately, about 31 other states have done this over the years, and we’re seeing the implications of it. with the unfunded liabilities and pensions and the health care costs and just the wage structure and what’s going to be a fiscal battle here in Virginia now that, you know, especially because the Democrats ran on an affordability platform. Yeah, we’re going to make life more affordable. Well, giving unions more power over government is not a way to make things affordable for taxpayers. That’s for sure.
SPEAKER 03 :
Good point. Mark, how do folks get a hold of you and follow you?
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Yeah, they can find out about their legal rights on our foundation’s website, which is nrtw.org. And if they want to follow legislation, whether it be in Colorado, Virginia, or Washington, D.C., they can go to the committee’s website at nrtwc.org, nrtwc.org.
SPEAKER 03 :
Mark, as always, I appreciate it. And yeah, if you’re back in Denver again, come on in the studio.
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All right. Thanks, guys.
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We are back. Rush to Reason, Denver’s Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560. Myself, Andy Pate. Okay, Andy, let’s really quick just kind of recap what Mark was talking about and why I, and I know some of you listening might have differences of opinion on this. A, I’m not a union guy. I think unions were, at a time, maybe, and I put… you know, quotes around, may be needed to help straighten some things out. We have enough laws now on the books that protect workers’ rights and so on in every state level and federal level that the reality is they are no longer needed. They are typically used – not typically – they are always – let me say this correctly – they are always used – to collect money and donate to their favorite political cause, candidate, whatever, and that’s typically somebody that’s on the left or some very liberal left-leaning initiative that’s on a ballot or whatever. So rarely do unions do anything, in my opinion, that’s good at the end of the day. I know some of you might argue with me on that. Maybe you’ve had good luck with – Some unions, but at the end of the day, they really aren’t doing you any good when it’s all said and done. In fact, they’re costing you money, if you ask me, when it’s all said and done as a consumer because all they do is drive the price of things up when it’s all said and done. Now, that’s on that level. That’s on the private level. Going to the public level, like Andy and I have talked about so many times, I am 1,000% dead set against them any way, shape, or form because I, as the boss, which I am because I’m writing the check, and I’m also the customer at the end of the day because they’re providing services for me. So I’m not only the customer, I’m the boss, and I get no say in what they do and what they get paid and how they do their job and so on. And I also have a – and I’m sorry, I know some of you listening are government workers, and typically my listeners are very upstanding individuals, but I will just give you – I’ll just say it this way. The majority of government workers are worthless. I’m sorry to say they are. They’re on a free ride. They know that. They know they’re very hard to get fired. They can do, you know, really a halfway job at the end of the day and still keep their job where they wouldn’t be able to do it in the private sector, and that’s why I hate government workers.
SPEAKER 09 :
Yeah, and by the way, John, you’re not saying they’re worthless people. You are saying that the system they’re in— has driven them into being worth less.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah, it promotes worthlessness. Right, it does. I know some of you listening are government workers. You’re not the ones I’m talking about. You are, I know, my listeners, you are the exception to that, and I’ve heard from some of you that actually work in those areas, and you’re as frustrated with some of this as I am because you’re carrying your full load, and yet a lot of the folks around you are not.
SPEAKER 09 :
john what is the most powerful government union by far the teachers right okay look at it this way john we cannot we have no control over the schools and yet we’re paying for them correct we are the customer and people would say well you got you know you got school boards oh okay so i have to rather than simply taking my money and walking out the door to another alternative I have to fall begging before school boards, begging and pleading with them, please don’t teach my kid to be trans, or please, you know, don’t teach Western civilization that the white man is evil or whatever. You know, don’t teach things that aren’t true. There are evil people everywhere. Got news for you. Okay, you know, I have to go through that, or to get the school board, to get the power of the school board, I have to what? Raise tons of money and compete politically with the school, with the teachers union, which has massive funding.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah, which is supporting my opposing candidate.
SPEAKER 09 :
Which is supporting the opposing candidate. And if you go against the teachers union, they’re going to tell all the kids, hey, Your parents are trying to support somebody who’s evil. Look, folks, the bottom line is this. I’m the customer. I should be able to walk out the door with my money. Right. You can’t. That is me having leverage equal to the employee. Because the employee can say, hey, I don’t want to be a teacher anymore. I’m going to walk out the door. I’m going to go work somewhere else.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yep.
SPEAKER 09 :
Right? They have that freedom. I don’t. I can’t walk out the door with my money. So don’t tell me that, oh, gee, I get to go to teachers, go to school boards. That means I got to fall begging before a school board or put in all kinds of time and energy where with any other private business, I can just walk out the door.
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Text came in. Not only am I against government unions, but I’m really against the teachers union, like we’re talking about. Amen. All of us that pay property taxes are paying for the teachers and the administrative salaries, and all of us should be mad as hell. Please say that about property taxes, paying for teachers’ salaries and administrative salaries, please. Yes, you are correct. Yes, in Colorado, about 70 percent, 65, depending upon where you’re at, anywhere between 60 and 70 percent of your property taxes are paying for exactly what was just said.
SPEAKER 09 :
And they just jacked up through the roof over the last couple of years, right? And it was during a time. And they say they need more. And it was during a time while it was going up through the roof. It was during a time when they were having fewer and fewer students in the public schools.
SPEAKER 03 :
Absolutely.
SPEAKER 09 :
They’ve had to close some of them down. They don’t have enough customers. And yet they are getting more and more and more money. We have no say over it.
SPEAKER 03 :
Nope. None at all. Zero say.
SPEAKER 09 :
Right. And they say they don’t have enough money.
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You will continue to hear that. In fact, you’re going to see some ballot initiatives this year from the legislative end of things to do an end around around Tabor. And you’ll hear him talk about it’s for the children. It’s for the children. We don’t support enough with our kids. We don’t pay enough per pupil, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Trust me, folks, you’re going to hear all that garbage. And that’s exactly what it is. All of that garbage coming down the pike here in the not too distant future.
SPEAKER 09 :
Yeah, folks, here’s the bottom line. And you need to tell this to every single voter, you know. Anyone who wants to get around Tabor doesn’t want you to be able to vote on your taxes.
SPEAKER 03 :
That’s exactly right.
SPEAKER 09 :
That’s what they want.
SPEAKER 03 :
That’s exactly right. That’s exactly right. All right. We’re going to take a quick break. We’re going to come back. Priscilla and Ron’s going to join us. We’re going to talk about the SAVE Act. Don’t go anywhere. Dr. Scott’s coming up next. And again, if you want a doctor that not only feels like we do, but wants to take care of you in a way where you live your best life, that is Dr. Scott. 303-663-6990.
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SPEAKER 03 :
And we are back. Rush to Reason, Denver’s Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560. Thanks for listening. As I said a moment ago, Priscilla Rahn joining us. We’re going to talk about the SAVE Act. And Andy, do you want to introduce Priscilla?
SPEAKER 09 :
I do. For all those who don’t know, Priscilla is also a personality on our sister station, KLTT. Yep. And for times and dates, you can just go to www.670kltt.com and look for Priscilla Rahn. Priscilla, we’re talking about the SAVE Act today. By the way, how are you? I’m doing great.
SPEAKER 03 :
Good to have you.
SPEAKER 09 :
I just want to know how you got here. And you’re wondering, what do you mean? Well, you see, the Democrats say that because you are a woman of color, okay, you’re that being a person of color of course you can’t get an id or a driver’s license and being a woman you don’t know how to you don’t know you can’t vote you no longer can vote under this act so i just want to ask how did you get here i mean obviously you didn’t drive did you did you hitch did you run really fast i don’t know because how did you get here after work
SPEAKER 18 :
I don’t know how I even got a driver’s license because, you know, as a married woman, how hard it would be to even access an identification. It’s just crazy. So your name was changed as well. I forgot about that. Were you pulled over several times on your way here? You know, this is just the idiocy of the left that they pull out this card. And, you know, and Chuck Schumer is like saying that, you know, this is Jim Crow 2.0. It’s like, keep your mouth quiet, Chuck Schumer. You have no idea what you’re talking about from the party of Jim Crow.
SPEAKER 03 :
Right. Right. Thank you. I said that last week. Absolutely.
SPEAKER 09 :
Can you tell us, can you lay it out? Because there are people out there right now, Priscilla, who don’t know what’s in the SAVE Act. Can you walk us through it?
SPEAKER 18 :
Yes, it’s very basic.
SPEAKER 09 :
And by the way, one last thing. I want to compliment Priscilla. Priscilla put out, I believe the best post on Facebook I have seen walking people through it, just step by step. She makes an understandable go at it.
SPEAKER 18 :
Yes, that’s the teacher in me, so you have to break it down in chunks. So basically it says if you are coming to vote in a federal election, you must be a U.S. citizen.
SPEAKER 17 :
Common sense.
SPEAKER 18 :
You have to prove that you’re a U.S. citizen, and there’s many ways. If you already have a real ID, you don’t have any problems. Actually, if you are already registered to vote, if the SAVE Act passes, you don’t have to do anything.
SPEAKER 03 :
You’re already done.
SPEAKER 18 :
You’re good. The only time you would need to do anything is if you move, if you change your name legally, or if you change your party affiliation. Any of those three reasons, you would naturally anyway go and change your documents. So these are documents you already have. And then we have people on the left who say, well, this is a poll tax. Poor people can’t access an ID anymore. I said, everybody has identification. And then he said, well, not everybody has a passport. Correct. You don’t need a passport.
SPEAKER 03 :
Not everybody needs one.
SPEAKER 18 :
You don’t need one. Not everyone has a driver’s license. Okay. But guess what everyone has?
SPEAKER 03 :
ID.
SPEAKER 18 :
Well, everyone has a birth certificate. Right. And then they go, well, what if my birth certificate burns in a fire? Then you go online and you pay 20 bucks and you get a copy.
SPEAKER 03 :
Well, and I want to, real quick, I want to jump in because the reality is you’re right. Not, well… In my world, and maybe I live in a unique world, but the majority of people, in fact, all the people I know, Priscilla, A, either drive or if they don’t drive, they still have some form of ID because they like buying things. and you know where I’m going here, but they like buying and doing things that require IDs, i.e. they want to buy liquor, they want to do this, they want to do that, they want to travel. I mean, there’s all sorts of things whereby it’s required to have an ID. So I don’t know that I’ve ever met anyone yet as an adult, 18 years of age or older, that doesn’t have some form of regular state ID.
SPEAKER 18 :
100%. You can’t get a job without an ID. As an educator, you cannot register your child for school without a birth certificate. I don’t care if it’s a public school or a private school.
SPEAKER 03 :
That’s very true.
SPEAKER 18 :
Good point. So everybody has some form of identification. And if you’re a U.S. citizen, at the very least, you have a birth certificate that proves that you’re an American citizen.
SPEAKER 03 :
Correct.
SPEAKER 09 :
Okay, now let’s look at the positive aspects of the SAVE Act, which, by the way, all of it is positive. Okay, you’re just dealing with the lies that are out there about it. But what about all the people who are wrongly registered to vote right now? Okay, maybe they got an ID in California. Anybody can get an ID in California. I was thinking of getting one myself. and you can get one there, and they’re registered to vote, and they are illegally registered to vote. What does the SAVE Act do about them?
SPEAKER 18 :
The SAVE Act says you have to be eradicated from the voter rolls. You cannot vote. If you are not a legal citizen, a U.S. citizen, you cannot vote.
SPEAKER 03 :
So that’s the whole crux of why the left is so mad. Yes.
SPEAKER 09 :
What does it say about a political party that, number one, does not want voter ID required, and number two, opposes the SAVE Act?
SPEAKER 18 :
It says that they don’t care about. Honest elections. They want to cheat. That’s it in a nutshell. Can we just say they want to cheat? Yeah. Right. And they’re accusing us. Someone on my Facebook said, oh, well, the Republicans are just desperate because they don’t think they’re going to win the next election. And I said, the last election, we didn’t have the SAVE Act and President Trump won both the electoral and the popular vote. So that logic doesn’t even make any sense at all.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah. Dumb argument. So, you know, to Andy’s point, at the end of the day, it says basically, yeah, they don’t want fair, honest elections, meaning they still want to keep cheating, which is really what this is all about. And this whole and my brain has really just been exploding lately, Priscilla, on all of the people I see on the left talking about this whole idea that women will not be able to vote because their birth certificate doesn’t match their current ID, which. Last I checked, any time a woman gets married and or has any other kind of a name change for whatever reason, even divorce sometimes, they can go to a different name that might have even been their maiden name that might have not even been their last married name. They can choose whatever name they want at that point in time, and they do, and yet they can still vote when it’s all said and done.
SPEAKER 18 :
I’m going to go out on a limb as a married woman and say the day I got my marriage certificate, I proudly went and changed my last name on every document I could change because I was like, I love you.
SPEAKER 03 :
And how hard was that to do?
SPEAKER 18 :
I mean, it wasn’t hard. It just took a long time because you have a lot of documents. You changed your name? I mean, are you still legal?
SPEAKER 09 :
Do we have to have you deported?
SPEAKER 18 :
Yeah. That’s the whole other thing. Oh, you should know. I got called – I got told I was engaging in white supremacy – white privilege. No, white privilege because I dared to agree with IDs. And then I was called a fascist. And then I was called a troll. And I said, you know, asking questions and debating this topic, which I’m okay to debate and get to a resolution. Right. So that’s what the left does when they start to go down that slippery slope and they don’t have an argument.
SPEAKER 03 :
That’s right.
SPEAKER 18 :
And then they start calling in names.
SPEAKER 03 :
Well, yeah, any time – and this is – by the way, this is true for most people. It doesn’t even have to be somebody on the left. Typically what happens when somebody can’t win an argument, they start throwing names out and accusations and things along those lines because they can’t defend their arguments. By the way, it’s one of the worst ways to win an argument is by not debating the argument but just throwing names out, you know. whatever you want to say at that point in time because at the end of the day you’re not winning the argument so you come up with any other excuse you can to try to win meaning you’re losing yeah you’ve lost at that point there is no argument left you’re done call the other person a racist a hater whatever you have no fill in the blank why because you can’t beat their argument yeah you know and priscilla really quick here i saw your post i don’t know anybody who could beat that argument
SPEAKER 18 :
Well, thank you. You know, I try to be right as much as possible.
SPEAKER 03 :
Well, I mean, you know what? We all, myself included, I try to be as accurate as I possibly can in the things that we say. And by the way, right, left, or otherwise, there’s things that we do on our side that we make mistakes on at times, and I’ll call those out as well. I want to be accurate in the things that we talk about on a regular basis, and essentially that’s what you’re saying.
SPEAKER 18 :
Yeah, I just want to get to the truth. What’s the truth? Is this really going to hurt me? And I would be the first person to speak out. But now we have people in the Senate, Democrats in the Senate, saying we’re going to fight this. We’re going to fight this. And what are they saying? What is their reason? What are they giving for a reason to fight this? Lack of accountability and transparency. I mean, to say that – because we talked about this. Who is it going to impact? Like cities, big sanctuary cities like Denver, L.A., like where there’s open borders and sanctuary cities. So it’s going to put a lot of extra work on whoever the secretary of state is to clean up the voter rolls and make sure that everybody is eligible to vote that’s supposed to vote. So – Oh, so extra work. Boy, that’s terrible.
SPEAKER 09 :
So actually having to work to make sure that a legal vote is a legal vote. Gee, I hate to put all that pressure on them. Wait a minute. It’s their job. Yeah.
SPEAKER 18 :
Yeah. So, I mean, the thing that I would say to those who look at someone like me, who is BIPOC, Black Indigenous Person of Color, you know, because that’s what the left likes to call it, who’s a married woman. Yeah, that was the big thing during COVID, DEI. that we’re going to be okay. We’re okay. We’re smart. We know how to get an ID. We actually already have an ID.
SPEAKER 03 :
And you’re bringing up a great point. I talked about this last week and even gave some examples of, you know, some street interviews and so on, whereby it’s very, and if I were anybody that’s in one of those inner cities that’s being told that I can’t get an ID, to me that’s an extremely offensive thing to be said to those particular individuals. Basically what you’re saying is, okay, you’re too dumb.
SPEAKER 18 :
Mm-hmm.
SPEAKER 03 :
To go and get an ID. So we have to protect you from your own dumbness.
SPEAKER 18 :
The word they’re using is disenfranchised. But you remember, was it South Carolina or Georgia that tightened up and cleaned up there?
SPEAKER 03 :
Yes, Georgia.
SPEAKER 18 :
Georgia. That didn’t prevent all those black people from voting in the next election.
SPEAKER 03 :
No, actually, their numbers went up. That’s exactly right. They jumped.
SPEAKER 18 :
So there’s like zero evidence to back up this disenfranchisement argument.
SPEAKER 09 :
Priscilla, the last time I went and got my driver’s license renewed, I went down to the driver’s license, the DMV, and the lady who helped me was a black woman. And she was brilliant. And she was wonderful. And she did a fantastic job. Could you imagine me telling her, you’re not capable of getting one of these? I mean, it’s just stupid. She was guiding me. Okay, and doing a very good job of it. I just don’t understand. I think it’s incredibly demeaning to tell any group of people that you can’t get this.
SPEAKER 18 :
Yeah, well, that’s the insanity of the left. I don’t understand the logic. Well, there is no logic. There is no logic. It’s not even a good argument.
SPEAKER 03 :
Actually, there is. Hang on. Let me stop here, guys, because really there is. And I say this all the time. The logic is if you want to keep your Marxist movement moving forward— You have to continue to create chaos, create lies, make people believe in something that’s not really real, especially impact the young people and really get them on board, which right now the young female voter is really against the things that we’re talking about right now because they believe all this garbage that, oh, if they get married, they’ll never be able to vote again. So the reality is this is all by design. Trust me, folks. These people are not dumb. They are just very insensitive Marxists that are on a mission. That’s what’s going on.
SPEAKER 18 :
And any good bill that comes out of the White House, they’re going to be oppositional.
SPEAKER 17 :
That’s right. That’s all I’ve seen.
SPEAKER 18 :
You’ve got crazy Jasmine Crockett who’s – oh, I better not say. She’s crazy. Well, I just think of a quote from Malcolm X when he talks to the black community about the Democrat Party and constantly voting for those people. Well, I’ll just say it. He said, you’re a traitor to your race. Mm-hmm. You keep voting for these people and you’re a traitor to your race. And someone like Jasmine, who had this golden spoon type of education growing up, and she’s just ratchety. And I’m thinking, why are you representing our community this way? Because she’s a grifter.
SPEAKER 03 :
Because she can and she can make money doing it. That’s why. Yeah. Sorry, I’m being honest. That’s exactly what it is. She’s a grifter.
SPEAKER 18 :
Yeah. So stop listening to the grifters and those on the left who are selling out the black community.
SPEAKER 03 :
Just so you all are clear on what I’m saying here, by the way, there are grifters, which I believe Jasmine is. And then there are puppets and plants like AOC because AOC has no idea what she really believes in. She has a mouthpiece for the people that are feeding her the information. She’s different than Jasmine. Jasmine’s a grifter. AOC was set up from the get-go to be who she is today. There’s a difference between those two. Now, they’re both pushing for the same things, don’t get me wrong, but they’re two different approaches to what’s going on.
SPEAKER 09 :
Jasmine says some crazy things, but she’s smarter. I can tell. She’s got more going on upstairs than AOC. That’s why she’s a grifter. Yeah, I agree.
SPEAKER 18 :
Well, they don’t speak for me. No? Or me? None of those, you know, brown ladies speak for me.
SPEAKER 09 :
Let me ask, what is it like, seriously, to be stereotyped like that, okay, as a woman of color, and have these people not only claiming to speak for you, but having all of Hollywood agreeing with them, having all of the media agree with them, government agree with them, everybody everywhere seems to agree with these people that they speak for you. How does that feel?
SPEAKER 03 :
Great question.
SPEAKER 18 :
You know, it’s frustrating, but I do also have to remind myself that the majority of Americans do have common sense, which is why Trump is in the White House. You know, like when you think about who has the big mouths, they have the bullhorn, right? They do.
SPEAKER 17 :
They do. You’re right.
SPEAKER 18 :
But most Americans have common sense and they’re not buying the rhetoric. So I trust that, you know, I see the glass half full.
SPEAKER 03 :
Well, and I’m with you. My biggest fear, and this is something where I think what we’re doing here and what you’re doing with your platform and so on, same situation. My biggest fear is, I agree with you, with the exception of young people. We are still, our party, and Andy, you’re going to talk about this next hour, our party still struggles, I think, to message and communicate properly to to young people. And that’s why so many of them right now are believing this lie. And it’s a flat out lie from the left saying, listen, if you’re a female and you get married, you’ll no longer be able to vote. That is a flat, blatant lie. But yet there are a certain amount of young females and men, by the way, as well, young males that believe that nonsense. Because, and it’s my biggest complaint with our side of the aisle, we message crappy. We just don’t message like we should. We don’t counter this nonsense. We right now, I believe as a party, the RNC, should be running ads talking about what a blatant lie this is, and we’re not. That’s my complaint.
SPEAKER 18 :
That’s a brilliant idea. Come get some of these brown faces with an RNC ad to say… Here’s me. I’m voting. I’m voting. I have been.
SPEAKER 03 :
I am voting. I’m not worried about it.
SPEAKER 18 :
I’m excited to vote in the next election. Here’s my ID.
SPEAKER 03 :
And by the way, here’s the other thing I would do as an RNC. I would go find Democrat voters and do sort of a man on the street and say, so what party are you registered with? Did you vote in the last election? Are you going to vote in the next election? Did you have any trouble getting registered to vote for this election? I would go down that path if I was the RNC. Absolutely.
SPEAKER 18 :
Absolutely. Absolutely. Well, I think that the argument of it’s going to disenfranchise someone from voting should this pass, my message to you is go get registered now then.
SPEAKER 17 :
Well, that’s a good point.
SPEAKER 18 :
Don’t wait. Why would you wait until the SAVE Act passes and it’s going to be too hard for you to vote? Like go get registered now.
SPEAKER 03 :
Well, the reality is you and I both know that answer because it won’t be. It’s not going to change a single thing. If you’re legal and you’re here legally and you can prove that you’re here legally, you’ll have no trouble voting. It’s a piece of cake.
SPEAKER 18 :
Well, and to your point about the next generation, which is why I’m starting a private classical school this fall, because we have to—the next generation won’t be able to defend their rights if they don’t know what they are.
SPEAKER 17 :
Very true.
SPEAKER 18 :
They won’t be able to continue a republic if they don’t know what a republic is.
SPEAKER 03 :
That’s right. Yeah, not a democracy, but a republic. Yes, good point.
SPEAKER 18 :
So, you know, this is another thing about the next generation, whatever we can do. But I think conservatives, to your point, need to— Learn how to articulate what we stand for, why this is a good idea, why this actually makes us a stronger nation to have only U.S. citizens voting and not anybody and everybody making decisions for us.
SPEAKER 03 :
Absolutely. All right, let’s do this. Take a quick time out. Al Smith coming up next. He’s got a great interview he did of late. If you need to talk to Al, just go to klzradio.com and find him there.
SPEAKER 11 :
TJ here with KLZ Radio, and again, I’m with Al Smith of Golden Eagle Financial. And some of you may not know that Al Smith has a couple of books out. Al, tell us a little bit about the books that you have for clients and what that informs folks on.
SPEAKER 15 :
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SPEAKER 11 :
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SPEAKER 15 :
Well, it is on Amazon, and I think it’s $10 or $11 or something. It’s not a long book, but for folks who come into the office… and schedule a meeting with me, I can certainly give them that book for free. I’ll need to be ordering a few more copies for all the enormous influx I’m anticipating after this ad.
SPEAKER 11 :
There you go. We’ll tell folks how to get in touch with you for that meeting and maybe to get their free book.
SPEAKER 15 :
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SPEAKER 11 :
Very good. And as always, you can find a little bit about the book at klzradio.com slash money. And on there is a form that you can schedule an appointment with Al Smith as well. And he’ll get you in shape and ready for your retirement. Al, thanks so much for joining us today.
SPEAKER 15 :
Well, you’re welcome, TJ. Thanks for having me.
SPEAKER 06 :
Listen online, klzradio.com. Back to Rush to Reason.
SPEAKER 03 :
And we are back, Rush to Reason, Denver’s Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560. Myself, Andy Pate, Priscilla Rahn with us as well, talking about the SAVE Act. Andy, you have a question for Priscilla.
SPEAKER 09 :
Yes, I do. Priscilla, let’s say that the SAVE Act goes through. And by the way, we may have to nuke the filibuster to do it. I’m not sure how we’re going to get there. But let’s say it goes through, okay? What impact do you think it would make on elections going forward. In other words, how much fraud is out there? And let me qualify this. I don’t believe there is no fraud like some people believe. I also don’t believe that it would have this 5, 10 percent impact on the election and we would suddenly turn Colorado red overnight and all this. But I do believe that there are a lot of districts that would suddenly be in play. What do you think?
SPEAKER 18 :
Andy, this is a great question because I’ve talked to so many people who say, why bother voting? The elections are rigged or the voter rolls are dirty, and so they just stay home. I think if more people had confidence in our elections, that they would actually feel like their vote counted and that things were more fair. And that’s really what we’re trying to get to is to entice more people to vote.
SPEAKER 09 :
So you basically believe that, to a degree, it suffocates turnout, especially on the right, when we figure, what good is it? My vote is just going to get replaced or overwhelmed by illegal votes anyway. What’s the point?
SPEAKER 18 :
Yeah, and especially in cities that are big cities like Denver, where you look at the numbers and it is overwhelmingly Democrat, but there are a lot of Republican voters that live in these big cities. And if you look at the turnout, typically… you know, 25 to 30% of elections. No, sorry. Typically elections are determined by 25 to 30% of the voters. Like a lot of people stay home. The voter turnout in major elections are really, really low. So if we could encourage people to turn out to vote on the Republican side, imagine if, let’s just throw it in, 90% of Republicans in Colorado turned out to vote. We’d win. We’d win a lot of elections, but they stay home.
SPEAKER 09 :
Right. They do. And let me ask you this. I mean, in the last election in 24 in California, the Democrats took three House seats, and all of them were by well under 1% each. Do you think that the SAVE Act could have a big enough impact to where we could win those back?
SPEAKER 18 :
I’d like to believe that that would be the case, that we would clean up the rolls. And, you know, even if it’s not an overwhelming number psychologically, it would make a big impact to Americans who want to be a part of our republic. Yeah, just clean it up. That’s all we want, right, John?
SPEAKER 03 :
I totally agree. I had a listener again a moment ago text in and ask where you’re actually located with your show, when they can listen, and so on. So real quick, give yourself a little commercial.
SPEAKER 18 :
I’m on AM 670 KLTT. I’m on Monday through Friday, 4 to 4.30, and then the encore is on at 8.30 p.m. on KLTT.
SPEAKER 03 :
So listen to us and then listen to her at 8.30.
SPEAKER 18 :
Yeah, you can listen to me at 8.30 at night.
SPEAKER 10 :
Exactly, yeah.
SPEAKER 03 :
For all of you listening. No, I appreciate that. And again, for all of you listening, please. And part of what we’re doing here is some of you that have friends, neighbors, relatives, even kids, whereby they’re looking at this saying, hey, did you know that if this passes, I as a female will never be able to vote again if I get married. You need to straighten them out that that’s the biggest lie that’s come out of the left in a long time.
SPEAKER 18 :
And you know what? The only people saying that are Democrat legislators.
SPEAKER 03 :
Right. Right. Good point. Married women.
SPEAKER 18 :
We’re not saying that because we know better.
SPEAKER 03 :
You’re right. The only other ones that are going along with them, again, are really uninformed. I don’t want to say uneducated, but uninformed young women. that are buying that lie, they are the only ones I see perpetuating that outside of the legislators you’re talking about, because somehow they’ve gotten in their head. These legislators have gotten in the head of these young women where they think that if they ever get married, they’ll no longer be able to vote. And it is, in fact, just one big fat lie.
SPEAKER 18 :
Yeah, activists who most likely are not married themselves. So why should I – I’m not going to listen to a single liberal woman on the left tell me that I won’t be able to access a ballot because I’m married. Right. So she doesn’t speak for me.
SPEAKER 09 :
Okay. What about those who say – really quick here. Go ahead. Who say – Okay, yeah, they’ll be able to vote, but you’re adding another hoop that married women have to jump through to vote that men don’t. And it’s not fair to add another hoop for them to jump through that you’re not putting to everybody.
SPEAKER 18 :
Okay, we’re talking again about identification that we already have, that we use every single day, number one. Number two, as married women, we gladly vote. To jump through one hoop to change my name.
SPEAKER 17 :
Well, you already jumped through it by getting married.
SPEAKER 18 :
And guess what? This America is a choice. I don’t have to change my last name when I get married.
SPEAKER 03 :
No, no. Same thing. Thank you. You could decide to just go ahead and keep your maiden name if you want to, right?
SPEAKER 18 :
Yeah. So guess what? There are no extra hoops for us as married women that’s going to keep us from accessing anything. That’s a hoop you’ve already chosen. Yes. Okay.
SPEAKER 03 :
Well, because we believe in choice and you have, as for all of you listening, you ladies know this, you have a choice to either take on your husband’s name. You can hyphenate your name if you like, which a lot of folks do. If your son is fairly well known and you have a last name that has meaning and you want to keep that last name, you can hyphenate that name. And if you want to just keep your maiden name, you can do that as well. At the end of the day, you can do whatever you want to.
SPEAKER 18 :
One last thing on that, the whole marriage thing. The left is really anti-family.
SPEAKER 03 :
They are.
SPEAKER 18 :
I can’t believe how anti-family, anti-God order. And we as women who are godly women honor our husbands and respect our husbands as the head of the house because that is the order. And there’s so much disorder from the left and how they function and the policies they push. I just don’t have time for it.
SPEAKER 03 :
Right. My point, though, is, and you’re right, everything you just said, spot on. But I’m also saying that, listen, if you’re not even somebody that believes the way we do, no matter what side of the aisle you’re on, you as a woman, once you’re married, can choose to have whatever name you want at the end of the day. There’s nothing keeping you from having that. You can do whatever you want to do at the end of the day. That’s my point.
SPEAKER 09 :
I mean, they act like Republicans are putting shackles on them.
SPEAKER 03 :
No, again, we believe in choice. Do whatever you want to. We don’t care. Yeah, literally. I don’t care. You know, we are actually, and I say this all the time, we are actually the most pro-choice of either of the two parties, even though they’ll tell you they’re pro-choice when it comes to abortion. We’re pro-choice on everything in life. You choose what you want to do at the end of the day.
SPEAKER 18 :
And at the end of the day, I choose not to listen to the party of slavery, Jim Crow, racism, redlining, abortion. I just don’t have time for the Democrat Party and all their lies.
SPEAKER 19 :
And no, the parties didn’t switch in the 60s. No, they did not.
SPEAKER 18 :
Okay. No.
SPEAKER 19 :
That’s a lie.
SPEAKER 18 :
It’s just so ridiculous. And I’m telling you right now, there’s more and more like I talk to African-Americans a lot every day and they they don’t agree with this stuff. It’s really literally black politicians who live in these big Democrat cities who think they have to push this agenda in order to have power as an elected official.
SPEAKER 09 :
I can’t imagine voting for any party that doesn’t think I can get an ID.
SPEAKER 03 :
I get it. Sorry, got to run, guys. We’re up against a break. Priscilla, again, thank you so much. I appreciate it. Last break, Cup Creek Heating and Air Conditioning. Make sure you’re dialed in when it comes to your furnace. And if you haven’t had your tune-up done yet, $56 off right now, a tune-up special. Cup Creek Heating and Air Conditioning. Find them at klzradio.com.
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SPEAKER 03 :
All right, that’s it for this second hour. Got another full hour coming your way. We are, at the top of the hour, going to talk about why the two-party system works. And I know we talked about that last Tuesday, but we want to add a few things to what we did last Tuesday. Andy’s got a great post he put out. We’ll go through that. And then, of course, if you want to call in with anything, we’ll have lines open as well. We’ll be back. Hour number three is next. Rush to Reason, Denver’s Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560.
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