Join John Rush in this episode of Rush to Reason where he navigates through an unplanned yet engaging discussion on electric vehicles (EVs) and their market dynamics. With a lively exchange on the development of EV technology, John shares insights into how tax incentives have shaped the trajectory of EV sales and the potential implications if those incentives were to dwindle. The episode also delves into a fascinating discussion on partnerships in the automotive industry and how strategic decisions can make or break the success of emerging technologies.
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All right, hour three, Rush to Reason, Denver’s Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560. Had a great two hours so far, by the way. Talked about a lot of things that I did not really have in my notes or plan on talking about, which it’s been fun. I mean, I enjoy shows like this because we’ve talked about a lot of things today that I really wasn’t planning on covering, but it’s been a lot of fun. I’ve had tons of text messages, by the way, from listeners All of you from everything from the e-bike end of things to EVs and good, bad, ugly, and so on. And again, folks, I don’t have a crystal ball. Some of our conversation we had last hour, Randy was asking questions on, you know, what’s the future of all of this stuff look like? Folks, I don’t have a crystal ball. I don’t have the foggiest idea. But I do know that without the tax incentives that EVs have had, will their sales slow down? Yeah. Yeah. Duh.
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Honestly, I believe that Elon should forge a partnership with a major car company.
SPEAKER 06 :
I felt like that for years, Andy. I said this a decade ago that I thought he would have been much better off to do that years and years and years ago.
SPEAKER 09 :
Well, John, it’s a simple matter of combining strengths. Why not?
SPEAKER 06 :
Well, and he’s not a car maker. He’s gotten better, and his quality has improved over the years. But early on, I’ll just say it straight up, he did not know the manufacturing process of cars.
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No, it’s a computer on wheels.
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That’s all it was.
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Okay. Can we go to some questions? Yeah.
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Yeah, keep going.
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I got a big one that I want to ask you, but I’ll ask you that in here in a bit.
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Okay.
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Because I want to stay on the topic we’re on.
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Okay.
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Okay, John, you see man and woman in a car, woman’s driving. What do you think?
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Guy doesn’t have a license. Really? That’s the first thing I think. Either he’s had a DUI or, I mean, I shouldn’t be so judgmental. I know it’s going to sound sexist.
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You’ve got to admit, though, and I know, folks, I know I’m a sexist pig. I get it, okay?
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Maybe some guy’s just like riding. I don’t know, Andy. It just looks weak. I can’t be a passenger. That’s my problem. I have to drive. Yeah, me too. I’m not that person that can sit in the passenger seat. So rarely, rarely, maybe if we’re doing a pickup and a drop off of a car or something like that, and my wife’s picking me up, I might climb in the passenger seat and drive home. But for a bit, rarely does that ever happen in my world.
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Exactly. Well, me too. It’s just for a bit. And my wife, she loves it. I’m her chauffeur. She enjoys it. Okay. She’s like royalty. And it’s almost, first of all, I like to be the driver. But secondly, I like to be the drive her driver. I mean, to me, it’s like I want to drive her around. I want to be that. When we go on trips, I drive the whole way. Me too. There and back.
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Me too. And she loves it. Andy, I’m sorry. She’s sitting there reading. I can’t do it any different than that. I’m sorry. Somebody just really quick, this is a great text message, by the way, and thank you. We haven’t talked about this yet. How about used EVs and hybrids without the incentives? Two different things there, so let’s make sure we’re talking because they’re not apples to apples. Hybrids are going to retain their value fairly well. The only incentive on a hybrid is a plug-in hybrid. If it doesn’t plug in, there’s no tax incentives at all on hybrids because it’s still an internal combustion engine with a battery, and there are plug-in hybrids that get the tax incentive.
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But is that changing because you’re getting better and better hybrids to where the driving of it is charging them so well?
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Well, yeah. I mean, the hybrid technology is getting better and better all the time. And point being here, when it comes to the used sides of things, the true hybrids are going to hold their value. EVs. They already are not very good in the secondary market. So unless you’re buying an EV at a really good price and you’re keeping it for an extended period of time, you’re going to be upside down, meaning you’re going to owe more money if you borrowed money to buy the car. You’re going to owe more money than what the car is worth because EVs, typically speaking, don’t hold their value. They suck on the resale end of things. So here’s the point, though. If you want to go buy a really fun car to drive on the used market, sure, go buy a used EV because all of the depreciation, for the most part, is gone. You can get a really good value on a used EV.
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Can I tell you a quick story about my sister? Sure. Okay. Talk about getting a deal. My sister lives, she works at Children’s Hospital and has for many years, and she only lives about a quarter mile, maybe a half mile from there, maybe a half.
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Okay.
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Okay, she needed to buy a new car. She bought an EV at, and almost all of her driving is to work and back, to work and back, or short little trips around town with my dad. At Children’s Hospital, right where she parks and everything, they allow her for free to charge her car. She has never had to pay to charge her car.
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She’s got the best of all worlds.
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I mean, is that a beautiful situation?
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Yeah, nothing wrong with that. Good for her.
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Wow.
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I mean, good for her. And there are some of those deals out there. Yeah, it’s unusual. Those typically don’t work that way. And where I feel maybe this will change, Andy, with these incentives going away, And our side now may be even taking a different look at EVs than they have prior because in a lot of cases, I think our side just, it’s an automatic no for an EV because they didn’t like the way that things were done initially on the tax incentive side.
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Yeah, I just don’t like the subsidies and incentives.
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I don’t like that. And so in turn, they sort of throw the baby out with the bathwater. They’re like, you know, one of those might have actually worked very well for them. They weren’t going to look at it at all just because of the way the thing was structured.
SPEAKER 09 :
I got nothing against the car. I just don’t want to pay for somebody else’s car.
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Don’t blame you. That’s it. And I think a lot of folks on the right feel the same way, rightfully so. And maybe they will take a different look at them now saying, well, maybe, after listening to John and Andy and some of you guys on the radio here on KLZ talking about how EVs actually do work fairly well and they are fun to drive and it’s instant power and, and, and, maybe they’ll take a different look at them from what they have in the past.
SPEAKER 09 :
Yeah, but now hear there again, John, because the right is a whole new market for EVs. Wouldn’t you agree?
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Yes, it is. Absolutely. Because they typically haven’t bought them.
SPEAKER 09 :
Therefore, just because of that, just business-wise, didn’t Elon make an incredible mistake with his split with Trump?
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Yes. Stupid on his part.
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Because he had a whole new market of MAGA that wanted to look and buy EVs.
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That’s right.
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And now they don’t. I mean, I’m sorry, but that’s what? That’s 100 million people.
SPEAKER 06 :
Driver-wise, even if it’s half of that and it’s $50 million, Andy, it’s still a huge market share.
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I mean, to me, forget all the politics of it. Forget everything else. That’s just stupid business. Anyway, okay. Next question.
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Putting reason into your afternoon drive. This is John Rush.
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And we are back. Rush to Reason, Denver’s Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560. By the way, thanks for all the text messages today. You guys have been very active and asking lots of great questions, which I appreciate. The used EV question a moment ago was another great question, whereby some of you may be thinking, well, you know what, I guess I could test the waters and, you know, kind of get into that. And, yeah, you could get into some EVs, and I’m not exaggerating. You can get into some EVs that are only a few years old for literally half, half of what they sold for new. Not a bad deal when you look at it that way.
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Okay.
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All right.
SPEAKER 09 :
All right, John. Now, next question. Let’s just skip to, well, no, I’m going to do the little one first. Go ahead. Kids on electric bikes and scooters. I saw this. I’ve been seeing this a lot. Little kids, little kids, okay, five, six, on electric scooters. Now, when I was a kid, if I had something motorized, it would have been the greatest thing in the world, funnest thing in the world.
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Right. Me too. Yeah, yeah, obviously. We didn’t have those.
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But my only concern is this. There’s too many fat kids. And I kind of want… I think kids need to be peddling and pushing and doing things and actually propelling themselves more. I want kids to be more active. I think… Less active kids is already a big enough problem. I don’t want them even less active.
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I agree. In fact, I think, Andy, not only are you right in what you’re saying, and here’s where I would give the alternative to that. If your kids want to do that, then put physical education back into the school system to where every day they’re getting some sort of activity at school and they’re not just sitting around all day long. We’ve pulled that out of most schools today, Andy, where there’s no PE anymore like you and I grew up with, meaning there’s very little physical activity kids are getting at school. So my point is, if you want to ride a scooter, fine, but get enough other activity in somewhere else to where you’re justifying that.
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That’s just crazy.
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Don’t just be on the electric scooter only.
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I loved PE. I loved it.
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Yeah, you know, that was one of the – I think for us as kids, it was one of those things where we got to go do something that we felt was more fun than math or English or whatever, and it was an enjoyable thing to go do. At least that’s how I looked at it.
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Well, you know my dad was my middle school principal, right? Okay. Every morning, I actually, you know, school started, I believe, at 8.
SPEAKER 06 :
That’s about right, 8.15, I think ours was, something like that.
SPEAKER 09 :
Okay, but dad, I got there at about 6.30, 6.45. Because your dad was there early. My dad, the principal, would go there and open up the gym. Before 7, but he opened it up for all of us.
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So you had an opportunity to go in there and hang out and do whatever.
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Oh, yeah. Well, we mobbed it. So all the kids were in there shooting hoops. We had games going every single morning. Nice. We just had a ball every single morning before school. That’s when we went in and shot hoops.
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Nice.
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Yeah.
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Nice. Good for you.
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To me, I just want to see more of that with kids. But anyway, tell you what, I’ll move on to the big question.
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No, you’re fine. You’re fine.
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And we can tackle this next one over the hour if you wish.
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Well, and really quick, going back to your comment, and this is something Annie and I talked about at the top of the hour. I do think that depending upon where you live… and maybe the, I hate to say it this way, but could even be income levels, things along those lines, I do think that how active kids are has a lot to do with their home life, Andy. In other words, if both parents work and Junior’s by himself most of the time, he or she may not be as active as if one parent is home watching what they’re doing. Does that make sense?
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It does make sense.
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Encouraging them to go out and do things, I mean.
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Well, and one quick thing before we go to Norm. Look, I have no problem with kids being on their computers more and being in the screens more and all that. I actually think that’s the future. I’m good with them being with the future. Just get active, too.
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Yeah, I want physical activity also. There you go. Absolutely. Norm, you’re next. Go ahead.
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I just leased a 2025 Dodge Charger Daytona RT all-electric car. The dealers on Havana, you’d know them, I can say it. What’s the verdict? $70 a month.
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Yeah, because they can’t give those things away, so you’ve got a heck of a deal because they’re struggling to sell them, as you know.
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Correct. So two years, I’m at $139 a month and only $3,400 down to close the license and everything like that. Wow. But I’m at 10,000 miles a year.
SPEAKER 06 :
That’s a pretty cheap car to drive at that point.
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Compared to me spending $185 just in April in gas, I think I have a good deal.
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Norm, are you loving it?
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It is stupid, crazy fast.
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Yes, it is.
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Yep. It is unbelievable fast and wider than the Volkswagen that I had and longer than the Volkswagen I had. But I had messaged you once. I was looking for an all-wheel drive car. And I just couldn’t pass this up.
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Given the deal you made and the fact that you’re going to walk away from that when it’s all said and done and not have to worry about any of the used value, yeah, I think you did very well.
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Yep.
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And as you know, those are close to, what are they, like 600? I mean, I know it’s electric, but it relates to like 650 horsepower or something, isn’t it, Norm? Yes. Yeah. It’s crazy. Yeah, it is crazy. Absolutely crazy. That’s good for you, Norm. That’s awesome. No, I’m happy. That’s awesome. Good for you. Thank you. And people are listening, so they know that same deal exists. And I know where you’re talking because we’re looking right at them.
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It has that great big huge flag. Yes, it does.
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Absolutely. We look right out at it every day. Norm, thanks. Appreciate that update. I did not know that. That is awesome. By the way, partly because that car just hasn’t done very well and Dodge took a big gamble that has not paid off by taking the V8, high horsepower V8, Hemi V8 out of that vehicle and going all electric. That bet hasn’t paid off very well. No, it’s lost their shirts. Yeah, that’s another one where, sorry. No.
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Okay, John, let’s get into it here. John, what group have Democrats lost?
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Men. Yes, exactly. We lost them last election.
SPEAKER 09 :
It’s so hilarious listening to Democrats now trying to discuss men. And here’s the thing. They’re trying to discuss, okay, how do we get them back? How do we get them back? And they’re talking about their messaging and all this kind of stuff. And my big problem is they don’t understand men. OK, they don’t understand men at all because they don’t like men. Right. They dislike men. Look, you have spent evil, Andy. Well, you have spent generations telling us how bad men are and how toxic we are and how we are the problem in society. OK, setting all that aside, since they don’t understand men, I believe John Rush does. What is manhood and what can America do to get it back? What is manhood? Because we talk about, okay, America’s got to get its manhood back. It’s got its womanhood, although I think that’s really suffered, too.
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Well, because when men suffer, so does everybody else.
SPEAKER 09 :
Exactly, because a lot of women aren’t really women anymore. I mean, I’m sorry, my wife is. She’s phenomenal. She’s strong and beautiful.
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To your point, true women want a true man.
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Yeah.
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Right.
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And true men, they don’t want a weak pushover woman.
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They want a real woman. They want a true woman as well. That’s right. It goes both ways.
SPEAKER 09 :
Okay. So what is manhood?
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Oh, wow. That’s a deep subject.
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I’ve got a few ideas, just one word ones. You want to hear them? Sure. Yeah. Go for it. Four words. Toughness. I think you’ve got to have toughness. I mean it. In other words, can you take a punch in life? Responsibility.
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Absolutely.
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Merit. I think merit. You can’t be somebody who wants the world given to you.
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Merit meaning you’ve earned your place.
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You don’t want to have a dollar in your pocket you didn’t earn.
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That’s right.
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And finally, love and respect for women.
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Yeah, that compassion side.
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Do you love and respect women as they are? Okay, do you look up to your mom? You know, I always look at these NFL players who the first thing they do, they win this award or that. Who do they thank? Mom. Mom. I love that. Yes, call out your mom.
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Thanks, Mom.
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She’s awesome, right? Love and respect for women because I look at guys who are abusive of women or talk women down. I don’t see a strong man. I see a weak man.
SPEAKER 06 :
Yeah, those are putzes.
SPEAKER 09 :
There’s another word that’s close to that. I won’t say.
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Yeah.
SPEAKER 09 :
I’ll put it a different way. They’re wusses.
SPEAKER 06 :
Yeah, there you go. They’re wussies.
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Okay. And so I think toughness, responsibility, merit, love and respect for women. I think men right now are very bitter because they’ve been held down by this society so long and dismissed that it’s hard for them to love and respect women. They’re so afraid and they’ve been so trampled by, not by women, but by this society. Yeah.
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I think on top of that, Andy, because of everything you just said, and you’re right, they have been trampled on. And by the way, the stats of what I’m going to say in a moment prove what I’m going to say. They have been trampled on so much that they don’t even know how to be a man and or love themselves, meaning male suicide is at an all-time high because of the things that we are talking about. They don’t even know how to be a man. So in turn, they get into this trap, I guess you could say, to where they feel there’s literally, Andy, and I’m sorry to say this, but there’s no way out, so I’ll just end it. That’s how they feel.
SPEAKER 09 :
No, I totally agree. And let me give you another example of the death of manhood. We’ve been talking over and over and over about the desperate need for workers in the trades. The trades often reflect manhood.
SPEAKER 06 :
Yeah, it does.
SPEAKER 09 :
It doesn’t mean that there aren’t women in the trades doing a great job.
SPEAKER 06 :
I get that, and I celebrate that. Yeah, we’re not saying that. Not at all.
SPEAKER 09 :
But I’m saying, but the trades really do reflect manhood.
SPEAKER 06 :
In a lot of ways, Andy, they create men.
SPEAKER 09 :
Yeah, it’s not that my wife can’t fix something, but if something needs to be fixed, she wants me to do it. Right.
SPEAKER 06 :
That’s okay. Nothing wrong with that.
SPEAKER 09 :
No, nothing wrong with that at all. She looks at me. Why? She didn’t marry me for nothing. Get in there. You know, and I think that’s great. Toughness, responsibility, merit, love and respect for women. Those to me are signs of manhood. I believe that is missing big time across the board in America.
SPEAKER 06 :
I can’t disagree with you on that.
SPEAKER 09 :
I think manhood has been destroyed. How do we get it back? Is it just one by one, family by family? Is there something we can do? Maybe just the fact that Trump is firing the Department of Education is a step in the right direction.
SPEAKER 06 :
And I’m sorry, I’m not trying to—and I know I do this occasionally, and I’m not trying to beat the church up. But, Andy, this is another area where the church has failed. We have—and I’ve said this for years—we have feminized church to the point that a lot of men don’t even want to go anymore. In turn, men don’t know that— part of their life like they should the spiritual component of their life because church has been so feminized over the years because again we’ve let the world you know in a way come into the church we feminize the church and now a lot of men don’t feel comfortable going so in a lot of ways this is you’re asking how do we get some of this back you got to start there
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Yeah, I agree. I remember, and we’ve talked about this before, promise keepers. Promise keepers, by the way, had a lot of great people in it, some really wonderful people. But one big problem that grew and grew and grew within promise keepers was this notion that if men keep their promises, it’ll fix the families. In other words, it was like this assumption that the only problem with families is men.
SPEAKER 06 :
And that’s not totally true either.
SPEAKER 09 :
Right. And so if men just keep their promises, if men, if you’re a good, strong leader, if you just keep your promises, your family will be okay. And it’s like, well, wait a minute. You also have the wife. You have kids. You have social factors outside of your family weighing down. You know, you’ve got schools that are impacting your kids. You got TV that’s impacting all of you. It seemed like it set men up to be the one to blame.
SPEAKER 06 :
Mm hmm.
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Right.
SPEAKER 06 :
Can’t argue that.
SPEAKER 09 :
OK. And I look at the church a lot. And even in the church, when I see, let’s say there’s a divorce in the church, who do people almost instantly blame first?
SPEAKER 06 :
The man.
SPEAKER 09 :
The man. See, that’s not good because and I’m not saying it’s the woman’s fault. No, I’m saying it’s probably equal. OK. And but I know not no relationship is 50 50. OK, but there are so many things that go on behind closed doors. You don’t know. You don’t know the dynamics there. You don’t know what he said. You don’t know what she said. You don’t know what they did. Correct. And so forth. You know, I think that there’s a real assumption. Look, I think you’re right. I think in the church today, I think masculinity is being kind of pummeled. Am I right? In the church, even above most other places, you’ve got to be the sensitive male. Otherwise, you are a toxic male. Male.
SPEAKER 06 :
Yep.
SPEAKER 09 :
You got to be sensitive, sensitive, sensitive. And I think they’re misinterpreting what sensitivity is. Go ahead.
SPEAKER 06 :
My one son, not Richard, my other son, John Jr., says being a man means stepping up, doing what’s right, taking care of your family, being responsible and truthful, working hard, stepping up to protect and save or protect and serve your community and the people within. Did I raise him right?
SPEAKER 09 :
You raised him great. Geez, I wish I did those things.
SPEAKER 06 :
I’m kidding. Very proud of him, by the way.
SPEAKER 09 :
Yeah.
SPEAKER 06 :
That is a great answer.
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Everything. Read that again, would you?
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Being a man means stepping up and doing what’s right, taking care of your family. I’m sorry. Because this is my son saying this.
SPEAKER 09 :
Don’t get all weepy.
SPEAKER 06 :
Don’t be a woman. Don’t be a chick. Being responsible, truthful, working hard, stepping up to protect and serve your community and the people within. That’s a great answer.
SPEAKER 09 :
That’s got to make you feel so good.
SPEAKER 06 :
It does. Makes me cry.
SPEAKER 09 :
I think it’s wonderful.
SPEAKER 06 :
Proud of him. Very much. Very proud. That’s what a man is all about. Absolutely.
SPEAKER 09 :
He’s a great man. What happened to Richard?
SPEAKER 06 :
All my boys are great. I know. They really are. They’re awesome. Very proud of them. I said this yesterday and I meant it. They are better men, better fathers, better husbands than I ever could have been. So I am very proud of them.
SPEAKER 09 :
You know, once a year I do the NFL Draft Show with Walt and Richard.
SPEAKER 06 :
Yep.
SPEAKER 09 :
And it’s kind of fun sitting in a room with two incredibly responsible, well-balanced men.
SPEAKER 06 :
Yep.
SPEAKER 09 :
And they love being guys.
SPEAKER 06 :
Yeah. Yeah.
SPEAKER 09 :
But they mean it in all the right ways.
SPEAKER 06 :
And that’s what we’re talking about here is, you know, we men, you know, we have been, Andy said it earlier, we’ve been beat up, especially by the other side, so long that in a lot of cases, Andy, I’m afraid that especially young men, they really, they don’t know how to be men. They’ve lost that. They don’t know how to do it. And it’s sad.
SPEAKER 09 :
I believe, honestly, John, I believe that this is where transgenderism has come.
SPEAKER 06 :
No, seriously. No, you’re right, Andy.
SPEAKER 09 :
No society should hate any, should hate either gender. Okay. I believe both should be celebrated. OK, masculinity should be celebrated. Femininity should be celebrated. And when you don’t and you look at these things as something where you can just pick and choose and not actually just celebrate who you are, then you’ll never be never be proud of who you are.
SPEAKER 06 :
That’s right. Yeah, there is no reason. Anyone should ever hate the body that they’re in, Andy. Right. You should celebrate the fact that, you know, God made me this way. I’m going to celebrate the fact that he made me this way, and I’m going to continue to do what I know I need to do because he put me in the body that he made me into.
SPEAKER 09 :
Last question before we go to break.
SPEAKER 06 :
Meaning that if you feel opposite of that, you’re basically, this is my whole feeling on transgenderism, which I’ve talked about many times, you’re basically saying, God, you screwed up. Right. I don’t like what you did. I’m going to fix what you screwed up.
SPEAKER 09 :
Well, John, yeah, to literally believe you are in the wrong body, I believe, is a mental illness. But let’s go to break on this one. Last question. You look around, John, and you know a lot of really good people, a lot of really good parents.
SPEAKER 06 :
Yeah.
SPEAKER 09 :
And yet, they’ve got kids who have gone astray. They’ve got kids who are trans. They’ve got kids who, you know, have… It happens. Who don’t love what they are and don’t appreciate men, women, and all that kind of thing. What does it do for your heart seeing your kids grow up and not just be great kids and be responsible and all this kind of stuff? You have very impressive kids. You do. But… They love what a man is. They love what a woman is. They’re proud of it, and they’re happy with it. They’re content in their own skin.
SPEAKER 06 :
I mean, when I get messages like that, which I get from time to time from them, yeah, it warms your heart. I mean, Andy, it’s what being a dad’s all about, literally. I mean, it’s like, okay, I guess I did at least something right, because believe me, we all, as we get older, all of us, I don’t care whether you’ve raised kids, haven’t raised kids, we all, as you get older in life, especially as we get into this upper, you know, we’re in 60s now and all of that, Andy, you start looking back thinking, did I do this right? Because you can’t go back and change it. You know, did I do it right? And here’s my answer. I did some things right. I did some things wrong. And in spite of the things I did wrong, my kids are still great kids.
SPEAKER 09 :
Pretty cool.
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Stay up to date with Rush to Reason after the show on Twitter at Rush to Reason. And welcome back to Rush to Reason, Denver’s Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560. John, really quick here before we go to Dave. Yeah. I believe Donald Trump has brought masculinity back to America. Obviously, men voted for him. But listen to those things again that I said are masculine. Four things. Has Donald Trump brought toughness back to America? Absolutely. Yeah. He’s looking at everybody and saying, look, if you don’t want to earn your way, we’re going to take your money away. Hmm. Okay, we’re not going to give you free Medicaid. We’re not going to give you free this, free that, free the other. And I don’t care if you’re a woman or a man. Unless you bust your tail, I don’t want a dollar in your pocket.
SPEAKER 06 :
Well, I can’t use the word on air because they’d throw us off, and I don’t use that word anyways. But look at what he said about Israel and Iran. Exactly. I mean, prime example.
SPEAKER 09 :
Yeah, prime example. Next thing. And these all go together. Responsibility. He has brought responsibility back to America. Merit. Donald Trump is merit. He has completely reintroduced the concept of merit into a country full of, especially in the major urban areas, cities that are, well, they’re not just freeloaders. They are attacking merit at every level.
SPEAKER 06 :
Good point, Andy.
SPEAKER 09 :
And finally, love and respect for women. Donald Trump absolutely believes in love and respect for women. So does MAGA, and he’s brought that back.
SPEAKER 06 :
Can’t disagree. Dave, you’re up. Go ahead.
SPEAKER 13 :
Yeah, I just wanted to hit on a couple of things that I think you guys have already touched on, but I think where our biggest problem, where it began, was the educational systems. And I’m not just talking about the schools, but something that you already pointed out was the church also, that we’ve allowed ourselves to move away from logic, from science, from biology, which we’re denying now, to where we’re at the point where People are afraid to find what a woman is. How do you not know what a woman is, or how do you not know what a man is? And that’s the problem. So then when you’ve got people doubting themselves, or a man or a young man, young boy, and he’s getting beat over the head with what is a woman, you don’t understand what a woman is, and all of a sudden he starts doubting himself. He starts doubting his own reality. Well, maybe I don’t know, and why don’t you show me? And then, of course, you’ve got these propagandists out there who are filling his mind with things that are not just evil, ungodly, but also unscientific, unbiological.
SPEAKER 09 :
Dave, we have a Supreme Court justice who, in her confirmation, refused to define a woman. Right.
SPEAKER 13 :
Because she wasn’t a biologist, but yet you think you’re a smart enough jurist on the Supreme Court?
SPEAKER 06 :
Right. I mean, you guys, I mean, both you and Andy are spot on, Dave. And really, let’s go back all the way to the crux. Here’s the reality of really what started to change this from the get-go. And there’s all sorts of things that have dovetailed into this, but let’s not forget where all this started from, because it’s all… By design, and I talk about it a lot, but we’re proving the point right now. You, Andy, myself, we’re proving it right now. Marxism, Dave, at its core, is exactly all the things that we’re talking about. It wants to do all of the things that we are talking about. You don’t know if you’re a man. You don’t know if you’re a woman. There’s no such thing as masculinity. Let’s just make everybody neutral. Let’s neuter everybody in the process, because at the end of the day, if everybody’s equal, we’ve accomplished what we want, and that is Marxism, the evil of Marxism in its truest form, and it started infiltrating this country some 70 years ago.
SPEAKER 13 :
Absolutely, and it’s one of those sayings from Karl Marx himself and from Lenin, who stated, you know, the best way for Marxism and communism to take over is you have to destroy the family.
SPEAKER 06 :
That’s right. Neuter them all, and we’ll just start over. That’s what they want.
SPEAKER 13 :
Because once the father no longer has that primary role, once the mother no longer has that primary role, once the people lose faith in their God and lose faith in that there is a God, now we can’t take over because now the government becomes God. That’s right. The government becomes God. That’s exactly right. The government becomes God.
SPEAKER 06 :
And again, so really, we can talk about whether it’s school, whether it was church, whether it was the workplace, on and on we go, Dave. The reality is, and Andy, the reality is, at its core, where all of this started from was allowing Marxism to infiltrate the country from day one.
SPEAKER 13 :
Oh, yes.
SPEAKER 06 :
That’s where it came from.
SPEAKER 13 :
Yeah. Exactly. It’s one of those things where, you know, everybody at some point, there are some guys that may not have ever… had to get into a fistfight their entire lives. It’s hard to believe, but there are. But when we started not letting things get settled on the playground, that’s when men started losing their place. I agree. You’ve all got to get along. No, no, we should try to get along. But when you can’t, then you’re going to have to, as a man, Step up and take care of business.
SPEAKER 06 :
My dad taught me, Dave, and I taught my boys, and you just heard from one of them a moment ago, but my dad taught me and I taught my boys that you’re not allowed to swing first. In other words, we’re not going to go on the playground and be a bully or anything like that. Absolutely. But if you get swung at, you have full rights to go back and take care of business.
SPEAKER 09 :
Well, let me ask Dave.
SPEAKER 06 :
Defend yourself. That’s right. Defend yourself.
SPEAKER 09 :
Dave, let me ask you.
SPEAKER 13 :
How are you going to defend your family? How are you going to defend your wife, your children, your belief system, your home? You can’t. How are you going to defend any of those?
SPEAKER 06 :
You can’t.
SPEAKER 09 :
No, I agree. Totally. Really quick here, Dave. The left says that masculinity is toxic. The left says that masculinity leads you to beat women or to mistreat women or to abuse women or take advantage of women. Let me ask you, Dave, when you see a guy who beats, abuses, takes advantage of women, right? Sexually harasses them in the workplace, whatever. Do you see him as more masculine or less?
SPEAKER 13 :
No, obviously you see them as less.
SPEAKER 09 :
Yes.
SPEAKER 13 :
If we were to go back to those traditional roles, that’s when those real men would step up and say, hey, bud, let’s go talk out back. I want to talk to you about something. And they do. That’s how it used to be taken care of.
SPEAKER 09 :
Oh, Dave, I’ve got to be honest, Dave. When I was growing up, when real guys saw a guy slap a woman or shove a woman, you know what happened to that guy.
SPEAKER 13 :
Absolutely. They say, okay, tough guy. You’re such a tough guy. Let’s find out. Yeah. Let’s find out if you’re a tough guy. You know, so that leads, again, Andy, to this phenomenon that I wouldn’t have ever thought would happen to American men, much less men. But, you know, this phenomenon that came out in like five, six years, the first time I’d heard of it, and it’s starting to pop up in the news again, this phenomenon of incels. I mean, who would have ever thought? That you would have a whole community of men who are like, well, I don’t know how to deal or meet women, and so now I’m going to lash out at society. Well, the reason why they don’t know how to deal with or talk to women, because they don’t know their role as a man. It’s been destroyed.
SPEAKER 06 :
Back to Andy’s comment a moment ago, Dave. A real man, number one, protects women. um honors does everything possible to make sure that the ladies plural around them even ones that you would never meet or know otherwise in other words that’s why you hold the door open for a woman when she’s walking into a building and things along those lines if we’re doing our job correctly as men and being true men that stuff comes natural we’re not taking advantage of a woman we’re not abusing a woman we’re not you know trotting on top of a woman that’s not what real men do real men that are really masculine protect, honor, love, cherish, et cetera, women.
SPEAKER 13 :
Exactly. And, you know, like I was getting back to those poor confused kids, you know, those poor men that think of themselves as incels. You know, ultimately, things work out, don’t they? You may not be the athlete, because none of us are, right, in high school or whatever. You’re not the best-looking. You’re not the richest. You don’t have the newest car or whatever else.
SPEAKER 09 :
Oh, I am the best-looking, but go ahead.
SPEAKER 13 :
Yeah. You know, you get my point. We all grew up with those guys where they were so-and-so. We would call them nerds or whatever back then in the day. But then you meet them 10, 15, 20 years down the road, and they’re some of the most successful people out there with a family, with a wife, with this, with that. Things eventually work out. And when we… We constrict that when we kill that masculine spirit in a man, then you end up with those men who don’t know how to deal with their emotions, because like men will do anyway, because it’s just the nature of men. We’re going to bottle in our feelings. We’re not going to come out and speak openly. You know, sometimes we will with other men, but luckily not with our spouses. When you can’t deal with those emotions correctly, then you do end up lashing out violently. against society because now you’re feeling like I’ve been cheated. When, as a matter of fact, no, you didn’t, you weren’t, you were cheated, but you were cheated by the system that destroyed what it was to be a man.
SPEAKER 09 :
Well, let me close with this, Dave. I believe that modern America has made men more violent.
SPEAKER 13 :
Oh, absolutely. And that’s, you segwayed into exactly what I was talking about. Had you just allowed those boys to, settled this back years ago on the playground, they wouldn’t be where they are now. They wouldn’t be the violent individuals that they are now because they would know how to deal with it. And it’s easy to be a keyboard warrior and call people names from behind the keyboard. Whereas I dare you to walk out on the street and walk up to that man that you think is doing wrong or has offended you or whatever, and you start giving him what for, and be prepared to get smacked in the mouth, well, then that changes your perspective on things, and it levels out where you are in the hierarchy of life. Again, like I said, you’re not going to be the biggest guy out there. You’re not going to be the toughest guy out there or the richest guy, but you are going to be one of the guys, right? If you talk to anybody who’s gone into the military, that’s why they break you down. And then they build you back up as a unit because you’re going to operate together as a unit, as a cohesive, generally speaking, masculine unit who’s able to channel those natural aggressive tendencies towards the betterment of their society, their country.
SPEAKER 17 :
Right? Yep.
SPEAKER 13 :
You’re right. And we’re losing that. We’re losing that. And like you pointed out, Donald Trump has made it fashionable again. He’s made it okay again.
SPEAKER 06 :
So really quick, before we run to break, I’ll ask you and Andy this question. Can we keep that momentum going, or do you feel that the left will somehow regain that foothold and make men feel less once again? Or do you feel, Dave and Andy, both, that we’ve sort of— gotten over the top of the mountain, and men really are now starting to understand what it means to be a man again, and they enjoy somebody like Donald Trump being around. What are your thoughts there? Start with you, Dave.
SPEAKER 13 :
Well, I think as you guys were pointing out earlier about the problem with conservatives, it’s the same thing. It’s difficult to get past your feelings of wanting to have things made right. We’re going to have to start thinking strategically, as the president’s doing right now. We’re going to have to tally those wins up, and we’re going to have to remain vigilant. Because the thing is, it’s going to be easy to kick back on our laurels and say, okay, we’re back. But then, of course, election cycles have, you know, every four or six years that happen, you know, it can easily turn around. But we’ve got to maintain that. And, you know, thank you to those programs like yourselves and you guys on the air pointing this stuff out, giving people a voice to listen and to stop and think and to contemplate. We’ve got to stay vigilant about that. We’ve got to stay on top because the minute that it appears that our side’s giving ground or they’re gaining ground, we’ve got to be able to stand up as men. and push back and say, no, you know what, we tried that. It didn’t work, and we’re not going to do it again.
SPEAKER 06 :
Thank you. I appreciate that. Go ahead, Andy, your thoughts.
SPEAKER 09 :
Really quick here. Anything can turn around because anything can go bad. We’re a sinful species, okay? However, that said, I believe both masculinity and femininity are making a comeback again in America, and I think the left is very scared.
SPEAKER 06 :
Awesome.
SPEAKER 13 :
Yeah, they’re running scared, and that’s the thing, is that we’ve got to keep that pressure on. I agree. We can’t give them room to breathe. We’ve got to do what the president’s doing, especially if I can point out the thing with immigration and Tom Holman and Kristi Noem. At any time, they could have said, okay, guys, hey, pull back. Let’s not be so direct with our enforcement operations. They said no. We’re doubling down. And as a matter of fact, we’re coming to your sanctuary city. We’re coming to your sanctuary state, and we’re going to push it again. Because, again, that’s what a man would do. He wouldn’t back down. He’d say, no, now I’ve got you on the ropes. I’m going to keep you on the ropes. Good point. Great point. Until good, good triumphs over evil.
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It’s time to leave your safe space. This is Rush to Reason on KLZ 560.
SPEAKER 09 :
And welcome back to Rush to Reason. Denver’s Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560. John Rush together with Andy Page. John, I want to close with this. Like I said, Trump brought masculinity, but he also brought femininity in the form of Melania Trump. Let me tell you something. Melania Trump… is highly intelligent, speaks five languages. She’s beautiful. She is strong. Any room she walks into, she commands. She is absolute femininity. She is the opposite of what Jill Biden was. Jill Biden, a woman who let her son be a complete drug crack addict, sex addict, and put him in places around the world to raise money for the family in places where he was going to have drugs and sex thrown at him. A woman who let her husband fall apart on the national stage because she wanted power because she was largely running the country through him. Look, let me tell you something. Melania is pure femininity. Agree. Trump is pure masculinity, and there’s nothing wrong with either. And he brought that back. And let me tell you one last thing, and then I’m going to turn it over to you. I think that is the thing that the left is the most afraid of.
SPEAKER 06 :
Can’t argue that. Well, I mean, they they don’t want to see us go back to way things were prior because they have been so hard hitting, you know, again, going all the way to the Marxist, you know, you know, mantra, if you would, Andy. They don’t want to see us go back the other direction because they want to see men beaten down. They want to see women down. They don’t want they don’t want you to know what gender you actually are. On and on we go. I mean, at the end of the day, they don’t want to see a strong woman in the White House. They don’t want to see a strong man in the White House. And I think the other thing I was thinking a minute ago when you were saying that is the other thing that I think really ticks the left off at times is when and follow me here is when Donald Trump and Melania may not actually agree on something. Right. They will come after them like no tomorrow, like they always have to be in some sort of unison. Andy, some of the best relationships are when you don’t agree on something and you work through things. And that’s just called a relationship. It is what it is. Yeah. Nothing wrong with that. Right? But they hate that.
SPEAKER 09 :
But, John, if my wife had to agree with me on everything, that would mean I’m a very weak man, not a toxic, strong man.
SPEAKER 06 :
That’d mean I’m a wussy. And if she always agreed with you, it’d be the same way. You have to have some head-butting at times or you don’t have a relationship.
SPEAKER 09 :
Right, and if she always agreed with me, she wouldn’t be too bright either.
SPEAKER 06 :
Yeah, that’s true of both of ours, by the way.
SPEAKER 09 :
I am challenged constantly by my wife.
SPEAKER 06 :
Me too, and need to be, by the way. That’s a good thing, right? Yes. That’s the way it’s supposed to be.
SPEAKER 09 :
Both genders, and yes, genders and sexes are the same thing, folks. This fluidity thing is nonsense. It’s a modern construct that is nowhere in biology, okay? It doesn’t exist. We created it when it doesn’t exist. All right? Both genders are strong. They’re meant to be strong. They’re meant to be partners. They’re meant to work together. This is why it was so bad when the Industrial Revolution took men out of the household and left only one gender to raise. Both genders for several generations. That was a bad thing. I’m actually glad that we’re getting back to both sides raising kids.
SPEAKER 06 :
I think it’s great. It needs to be that way. In fact, that’s the way it’s supposed to be designed, as you know. I mean, here’s the reality, Andy, is as we start going down this path, what the left hates the most is we’re getting back to a more biblical design on how things are supposed to work, which they absolutely can’t stand because it goes against them.
SPEAKER 09 :
Yeah, and one last thing that’s very biblical, merit. I’m telling you what, America is just feeling more natural today. And I like it.
SPEAKER 06 :
And let’s hopefully hope it keeps going that direction. Right. All right. I appreciate you guys all listening. Thanks for all the kind words, text messages, and so on. I do appreciate it greatly. Myself, Andy, and Charlie signing off. Have a great night. Rush to Reason, Denver’s Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560.
