On this episode of Drive Radio, John Rush and Steve Horvath from Geno’s Auto Service tackle a full lineup of car talk—from the new $70,000 Toyota 4Runner Trailhunter review to advice on whether to buy gas or diesel for your next truck. Listeners call in with real-world questions about inverters, outlets, heated boot bags, and diesel maintenance, while John shares insights from his years of experience running diesel and gas fleets.
The team also discusses upcoming emissions changes for diesel engines, fuel price trends, and the importance of using high-volume diesel stations.
Later in the show, John unveils “Drive Radio: The
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And we are back. Drive Radio, KLZ 560. Pat Schneidt with me today from Alltech Automotive. He’s going to head out early because he’s got an event this afternoon. But I’ve enjoyed having Pat here. So, as always, thanks for all you do.
SPEAKER 17 :
Hey, thanks for having us.
SPEAKER 18 :
You bet. We appreciate it. Steve Horvath from Geno’s with us as well. Steve will be with us until the top of the hour. Before I talk to Chris, Chris has got some questions on buying a new vehicle. Let me promo our extra hour that we’re doing. It’s called Drive Radio, the extra mile. It’s going to be from 3 to 4 o’clock every Saturday. That time change, you know, that change… I should say, might change moving forward. We’ll just see how this slot works for now. But it’s called The Extra Mile. We’re prerecorded. We’re not live, so you can’t call in and ask questions. I think I promoed and said that enough during that recording that you should get that. And the reason why I’m promoing this before Chris comes on is I did this particular week – uh part half of it is on evs the ins and outs and so on we did a really great segment a few weeks ago on the daily show along those lines and i took the second half and just talked about how do you buy a new vehicle tips and tricks what do you do to save money and how does that work and so on so that’ll be today from 3 to 4 p.m somebody also asked really quick i’m gonna throw this out to all of you as listeners can you buy a car camera system that includes a mile per hour for other vehicles Not that I’m aware of. Some of you listening, maybe you know of a device that will do that. In other words, it has radar like cops do to know how fast other cars around you are going. I don’t know of a system that does that. So if anybody out there listening does, please let me know, and this person listening will know as well. And I can even respond on the text line also. Chris, go ahead, sir.
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Hey, John and Steve. Hey. Regarding my new 1500 diesel Duramax, I am a skier and have a heated boot bag that is plugged into the wall or a cigarette lighter. There is not one in my truck. It does have a 110 outlet. But I cannot activate it. I haven’t figured out how to activate my one.
SPEAKER 18 :
And it’s up on the dash, right? The 110 or the 120 is up on the dash.
SPEAKER 07 :
Well, there’s one in the bed and there’s one in the console.
SPEAKER 18 :
One in the console, that’s right. There’s not a cigarette in the console? There’s not a 12-volt.
SPEAKER 07 :
A port in the console? Nope. Nope. Not at all.
SPEAKER 18 :
um yeah and i just and i i’m sorry i like had one of those for a while and if i had it i’d remember you’d think i’d remember more although i don’t plug much into the cigarette lighter you know port and nobody has a cigarette lighter anymore but you know what i mean by that the you know cigarette lighter type 12 volts the 12 volt port um right so we’re going to get an inverter now to go the other way we used to go well they do 110.
SPEAKER 07 :
Well, my other question is, how do I activate my 110? Because there used to be a button on older trucks, and then looking up in detail, it says go to settings, and you’ll find it in settings, but it’s not there.
SPEAKER 18 :
Yeah, and I’m trying to remember back on mine how you turned that one tent. Go ahead, Steve.
SPEAKER 09 :
Because you’ve got one. Yeah, I don’t remember having to activate it. I thought you just plugged it in. But honestly, I haven’t used it that much, to be honest with you.
SPEAKER 07 :
I’ve tried it. It does not operate a little tiny electric vacuum.
SPEAKER 18 :
And you can’t see, there’s not a DC-AC switch someplace in all of your controls?
SPEAKER 07 :
Nope. Nope.
SPEAKER 18 :
Interesting.
SPEAKER 07 :
I know, it’s frustrating.
SPEAKER 18 :
Did you look in the owner’s manual by chance?
SPEAKER 07 :
Oh, yes.
SPEAKER 18 :
What does it say?
SPEAKER 07 :
And chat GBT’d it, too. Did you really? Yeah. Oh, yeah. I mean, they’re great at that. But, you know, giving back answers. But instead, it’s in settings. But it’s not. I can’t see it. I am. I am having my first oil change at Ed Bozarth this coming week. So I might drill them a little bit about it.
SPEAKER 18 :
Yeah, I mean, there’s got to be a switch to turn that on someplace. There’s got to be someplace somewhere where that thing has the ability to turn on and off, because I believe the one in the bed is also switched on and off. I don’t think it’s on all the time.
SPEAKER 09 :
Right. Okay. I mean, you probably wouldn’t want it to be on all the time anyway.
SPEAKER 18 :
Now, I just looked one up here. I’m on a particular forum for that particular truck, which I’ve belonged to now for a couple of years. Somebody said that the newer trucks don’t have a switch. You’re supposed to just plug something into it, and it turns on automatically. The green light will come on when it’s active. Have you left it plugged in enough to where it feels like it’s getting activated, or have you tried plugging something other than that in to see if it will come on, Chris? Well, no. Like take one of your cordless drill chargers or something like that? Have you tried with a battery on it, plug that in and see if it’ll actually activate the port?
SPEAKER 07 :
Yeah. No, I’ll try that. Like I said, I just tried a little floor vacuum. You know, it’s small.
SPEAKER 18 :
Right.
SPEAKER 07 :
And it didn’t – it sort of – it made a noise and then stopped. Right.
SPEAKER 18 :
interesting yeah from what i’m reading it’s supposed to be automatic you plug in it recognizes there’s you know uh you know hey i’ve got something plugged in i need to turn on and it turns on the vacuum thing you would think it would turn it on that that would work i would think
SPEAKER 07 :
All right, I’ll try that because if it doesn’t work, can I hardwire?
SPEAKER 18 :
Well, if it doesn’t work, the dealer needs to fix it because there’s something they’re not working right. Something in the programming, something’s not right, Chris, because it should work.
SPEAKER 07 :
All right, but can a hardwired socket be put in, 12-volt socket be put in?
SPEAKER 18 :
Yes. In fact, I’m I’m reading online where a lot of people have put their own, you know, cigarette type adapter, you know, into the vehicle. And yes, that could be done because, yeah, it looks to me like that one’s been eliminated. So, yes, that could be done.
SPEAKER 07 :
The ski boot warming bag, it does draw quite a bit, like 80 watts.
SPEAKER 09 :
That is quite a bit. I wonder if there’s a limit on how much it’ll do. Maybe. That’s why I was thinking about just the charger, phone charger, instead of plugging into one. Would that be a good test? Yeah, you could plug your phone in.
SPEAKER 18 :
That’s a good test. Yeah, good idea, Steve.
SPEAKER 07 :
Just put a phone charger in there?
SPEAKER 18 :
Yeah, like you do at home, you know, when you bring the whole thing out to the car. Instead of plugging into the house to charge the phone, plug it in there and see if it lights up.
SPEAKER 07 :
Okay. Got a couple other questions.
SPEAKER 18 :
Go ahead, go ahead.
SPEAKER 07 :
Coming up on my first oil change, you talked about what the dealerships, the bulk oil, which I assume it’s fine, but should I use the dock, the diesel MOA?
SPEAKER 18 :
I would. I’m not going to hurt anything doing it. I would, yes. Okay.
SPEAKER 07 :
Okay. It’s a diesel oil conditioner from BG.
SPEAKER 18 :
Correct. Yep. It’s just like MOA only. It’s for the diesel.
SPEAKER 09 :
They may have it there, too.
SPEAKER 18 :
They may.
SPEAKER 07 :
Oh, yeah, they do.
SPEAKER 18 :
The dealer probably does, yeah.
SPEAKER 09 :
Okay, good.
SPEAKER 07 :
All right. I might add that to it then.
SPEAKER 18 :
Not going to hurt anything doing that. And I’m really curious. I’m going to do some more investigative work even over the weekend on the 110 because that one’s got me bugged. There’s got to be something simple as to how that works.
SPEAKER 07 :
All right, well, between me messing with it and going to the dealership this coming week, we’ll figure it out.
SPEAKER 18 :
Yeah, I mean, there’s got to be something. And, Mike, again, from everything I’m reading, it’s supposed to come on automatically. I like Steve’s idea, something that doesn’t have a lot of a draw. You know, put a phone charger in and see if that lights up. If it does, then we know we’re on the right track. We just got to find its limit. Correct.
SPEAKER 07 :
All right, regarding diesel fuel. Yes. I mean, I’ve been seeing it all over the place.
SPEAKER 18 :
Yep, that is one of the downsides to a diesel is the fuel can be all over the map, and it really has to do with how much that station uses. In other words, how much volume are they doing? The more volume, the cheaper you’re going to get. find it typically now i think in some cases chris if they can get a higher price out of it because they can they will i’ve got a station not far from my house that is severely overpriced on diesel compared to other places in town and anytime i fill mine up i don’t fill up there because i know i can go down the road a little bit and save a boatload of money, and I guarantee you it’s probably coming out of the same truck, plant, all of that. I mean, at the end of the day, they’re even the same branded station, but given its location, and in my opinion, the one that’s near me, has so many fleet guys rolling through it that they know they’ve got a captive audience. They’re getting 20, 30 cents a gallon more, and to me, it’s just them making pure profit.
SPEAKER 09 :
And don’t most stations need to run through that diesel pretty quickly, too? I mean, you don’t like stations. You want a high-volume diesel station, yes.
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Now, the plus side to diesel is, really quick, Chris, the plus side to diesel is you can buy it anywhere you want to. So I’m not a huge fan of buying supermarket gas and so on because its quality isn’t top tier. It’s not what you’ll find. Right. In other places. But diesel, that doesn’t really matter. If you want to go to King Soopers and they’ve got a really good deal on diesel and you’ve got enough points to really shave off some cents on the per gallon price, go for it.
SPEAKER 07 :
All right, because I went to a QT the other day, and it said maybe has 5% biofuel. And it said maybe.
SPEAKER 18 :
Yeah, and you want to stay away from that if possible. A lot of the, especially your truck, it’s not a suit. They say you can run up to X in bio, but I’ve always found that not to really work well. I would stay away from bio on your truck.
SPEAKER 07 :
All right, well, I… I had a half a tank, so I was only putting in a half a tank.
SPEAKER 18 :
Yeah, you’re okay then. You’re fine.
SPEAKER 07 :
Yeah, it ran fine. Yeah, you’re fine. I was like, what is that supposed to mean, maybe has?
SPEAKER 18 :
Maybe, maybe, maybe has. That’s hilarious. That’s like being a little bit pregnant. Yeah, yeah, exactly. I’m a little pregnant.
SPEAKER 07 :
Exactly.
SPEAKER 18 :
That’s hilarious.
SPEAKER 07 :
Yeah. All right. Well, I’ll get back to you on the 110.
SPEAKER 18 :
Okay. Now, one other thing I just read, really quick, because there’s something else to try before you go to the dealer. When you do this, is the vehicle running or is it just on the key? I’ve done both. Okay. You’ve done both. Okay. Because everything I’m reading says must be running. So even when you go to put the phone charger in, make sure it’s running.
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Yep, yep.
SPEAKER 07 :
All right.
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All right, Chris. Appreciate you very much. Thanks, as always. We’ll be right back. Jeff, hang tight. This is Drive Radio, KLZ 560.
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Very good. With Dave Hart, we right away connected. You know, he was a very nice person to talk to, very accommodating. He even came over to my location when I asked him that I couldn’t go to him. He came to me and he walked the roof and he said, Gary, there’s just a couple of minor repairs needed. A few shingles needed to be replaced. And that was the start of our, you know, my conversation to go with him. I said, well, give me a bid and we’ll go from there.
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All right, we are back. Drive Radio, KLZ 560. Pat Schneid was with us throughout the program. He just left. He’s got an event here to go to in a few minutes. I appreciate Pat and all that he does. And up in Fort Collins, Alltech Automotive. Find him again at drive-radio.com. Steve Horvath with me through the remainder of the show, though. Jeff and Steamboat, go ahead.
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Hey, hi, Steve and John. How are you today? Nice up here. It’s a little chillier. Been overcast, but, you know, we’re going into it. Yeah, for sure. Great. Well, I have a question. I just had an oil change yesterday, and I went to Napa and bought a bottle of MOA that I put in myself and a 44K I haven’t put in yet because I shouldn’t let that sit in there until I drive down to Denver tomorrow, right? Yeah, that’s a good idea. That’s a great idea. Wait, yeah, okay. That’s what I think you said a while ago, and I just wanted to get that. No, you’re correct. Okay. And I didn’t do an EPR. I didn’t get it in before I changed it, but I’ve done it every other time. So I think I can hold off for $5,000 with the full synthetic and stuff in there. But the other thing is you have my condolences. I didn’t know your father had passed.
SPEAKER 18 :
Yeah, he passed about two weeks ago.
SPEAKER 08 :
Oh, wow. Oh, that’s…
SPEAKER 18 :
Thank you, Jeff.
SPEAKER 08 :
Yeah, I’ve talked to you before about the time I got to meet him and your uncle and how cool they both are. Well, thank you. I wasn’t aware of that.
SPEAKER 18 :
I appreciate that.
SPEAKER 08 :
Yeah, under the circumstances, though, I’m sure it’s possible.
SPEAKER 18 :
No, in his case, yep, he was there and ready and all that. So, yeah, I mean, there’s no secrets. I’ve talked about it on air. He had dementia and Alzheimer’s, and, you know, that is a really, really hard disease and hard on people. I have tons of sympathy for anybody that goes through that.
SPEAKER 08 :
Yeah, I do too. I had a brother-in-law like that, and it’s not fun.
SPEAKER 18 :
No, it is not.
SPEAKER 08 :
Anyway, have a great week. Jeff, thank you, man. I thought you were going to SEMA.
SPEAKER 18 :
I am. Yeah, I’m going. Yeah, I’m leaving Tuesday. I’ll still be on air next week, so I’m going Tuesday, come back Friday. I’ll have some stuff to talk about next Saturday from going. But, yep, I’m going out this time.
SPEAKER 08 :
Oh, okay. I didn’t know you’d be on next week.
SPEAKER 18 :
Yeah, I’ll be on next Saturday. I’ll come back Friday, and I’ll be on air Saturday.
SPEAKER 08 :
Yeah, we start filming Monday for eight days, so I’ll be down over the week.
SPEAKER 18 :
Nice, nice. Well, good deal, Jeff. Appreciate you, man, as always. You too. All right, have a good one, Jeff. All right, we’ve got a review coming up that we just did. Rich, a little bit longer review because this is a vehicle that a lot of people are interested in, own in our area and so on, Toyota, Tacoma, so hang tight. We’ll come back right after that. Myself, Steve Horvath from Geno’s Auto Service. This is Drive Radio, KLZ 560. Richard, talk to us about a vehicle that you’re actually still at the tail end of right now for another day, but talk to us about the car you’re driving right now.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah, Dad, so we’ve got a 2025 Toyota 4Runner, and this is, again, we reviewed it. Actually, we reviewed a similar version of this vehicle a few weeks ago, Dad. I think that one was the TRD. Actually, that was the limited model, which actually had the third row. This one is the Trail Hunter, and it doesn’t have the third row, but it’s got a lot of the aftermarket accessories that you would want on this vehicle, Dad, right? I’m not going to go through the litany, but I’ll just say this. You can buy this vehicle, Dad. straight from the lot and drive it pretty much wherever you want to go even here in colorado whatever you want to do you have the capability and the flexibility to do that this vehicle again we’ll just kind of go over some of the basics it starts out about 43 000 the trail hunter the one that we drove is kind of the top of the line about 69 000 for a forerunner but again folks This is something where you can buy it, and you don’t really have to do a whole lot to it. You can literally just buy it, and you keep going, and you don’t have to worry about it. You don’t have to touch it. This has got the I-Force Max engine in it, Dad, which, for those that know Toyota, is their hybrid powertrain turbocharged. I think it’s a turbocharged four-cylinder, if I’m not mistaken. It runs ridiculously well at our altitude. I’ll just say it. This car gets up and goes, and for those of you that know 4Runners of old, that was one of our biggest complaints, and it always has been one of our biggest complaints. They just tended to not run very well. They’ve changed that. This thing runs phenomenal. It’s kind of cool. The kids like it. This piece, again, because it’s a Trailhunter, has the snorkel that comes out, right, so you can go through that, you know, three foot of water, two foot of water, whatever it is, and the engine can still breathe and can still do the things that you want to do. And so you can hear the turbo kind of spool up and then spit out. I mean, it’s just kind of some fun stuff there. Outside of that, Dad, it’s really nice on the interior. Again, if you’ve seen one of these vehicles, folks, you’ve seen most of them. They don’t do a whole lot of changes on there. This has got the JBL speaker system, and you can pull out the speaker and kind of have it as a Bluetooth option, which is really, really great. As far as it’s got some storage underneath the third row there. It’s got a roof rack on top of it. It’s got some aftermarket accessories. My biggest negative for this car, Dad, is more of just functionality for a family with children and stuff. Is that back row just doesn’t have a whole lot of space. I’m not even talking the third row, right? I’m talking the second row. You know my kiddos. One of them is pretty tall. One of them is kind of about average as far as their age group goes. And I’ve got a scoot to seat up for both of them, to be honest with you, in order for both of them.
SPEAKER 18 :
Meaning it’s probably not, there’ll be people buying this that convince the wife that it’s the family vehicle and let’s go buy this vehicle and off we go. But probably more of somebody that would be looking to store gear and things like that in the back and not necessarily people is what you’re saying.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah, that’s what I would say. I mean, I do know some people that have this car and a lot of families have this car and they actually really enjoy it, right? They enjoy driving and they just make do because they like the 4Runner and they like what it is. And don’t get me wrong, Dad, there’s a lot of… I’m just going to call it, 4Runner purists out there that they love them, or Toyota purists, I should say. And for good reason, folks. We’ve got several people that we know. One of them got 295,000 miles on a 2007, right? And it’s still running like a dream. I mean, they just put a little bit of work into it, and it keeps going. That is what they’re known for. And so some people swear by that, Dad. Just for me, again, as a family, it was hard to kind of put more than two kids in the back seat. And even then, if you’ve got a car seat that’s rear-facing, maybe a newborn, maybe one of those bigger booster seats that some of you have seen out there, I just would struggle putting them in that on a regular basis. I would just get frustrated because it’s always going to be ramming into the seat in front of you, whatever it might be. Outside of that, Dad,
SPEAKER 18 :
Well, one last thing, and I know this is a – I get it. This is a particular vehicle where it’s got Old Man Emu suspension, and it’s got a lot of extra gear, racks, and so on. And I get that, and I understand all of that stuff costs money, and I’m not trying to negate that. I did that in my own businesses for years. So I understand that full well, Richard, as you know. But here comes the but for all of you listening. Toyota, I know you’re going to listen as well. Here’s my but. You could go buy a full-sized vehicle for the same price as this. I get it. The capability and what you’re getting in the 4Runner and all that, I fully understand, and it’s probably really unique in that particular way, but it’s $70,000, Richard.
SPEAKER 04 :
Well, I was going to say there’s some larger SUVs, right, and then we won’t name them, but that you can go out and buy, Dad, for a little bit more money and you have a lot more room, right, you know, for a family. And you could argue in some cases maybe not quite as capable, right, you know, in the most purest sense of the word, but still very capable nonetheless, right?
SPEAKER 10 :
Right.
SPEAKER 04 :
And I’m with you, and I was just going to say that is the price point on it for me is is a little bit steep however some of you may look at it and say richard john it’s a toyota i mean love it you know that’s a fair price for a car i’m gonna i’m gonna never own it i’m not gonna buy a car for 20 years well then in that case you know that it may work for them but that was just one of the negatives for those of you listening you know i’m not exaggerating this vehicle the base price of a trail hunter forerunner
SPEAKER 18 :
And TRD Pro is the same, so they’re very similar as far as that goes, $67,400. So by the time you get this thing equipped out, you’re well over $70,000.
SPEAKER 04 :
Well, and I will say this. One thing that Toyota’s done nicely, Dad, and because I’ve got the window stickers here in front of me, this car, because they basically put the options and stuff on it, there’s not a whole lot of customization that needs to be done. Correct. Now, you can add some different accessories and some things like that, but I don’t think you’d be tipping the scales on this. You know, mid-70s are there.
SPEAKER 18 :
No, you’re going to be right at that probably 70k mark when you’re done.
SPEAKER 04 :
Absolutely it is. So again, if that’s something that would deter you, you have to be the judge. It’s just something that we obviously want to make note of because it matters, right? It matters to a lot of people. And so outside of that, Dad, love the car. Driving it, it’s got this kind of greenish-bluish color that, honestly, in the right light, looks really, really cool. And you kind of saw it there. The looks of it, the Trailhunter, Dad, I think it’s got Toyo tires on it, if I’m not mistaken. Let me see here. Yep, Toyota tires on it. Just a good-looking car. They’ve done a phenomenal job. Not sure on some of those other things, but you know what? That’s for you to judge. And so if you do that, folks, head to your local Toyota dealer. I think they have some of these on lots now. And when you do that, let them know that John and Richard Rush from Drive Radio and Rush to Reason sent you.
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SPEAKER 18 :
All right, we are back. Drive Radio, KLZ 560. Dan in Lakewood, you are next.
SPEAKER 06 :
Well, I was wondering, trying to decide. See, I’m a Chevy man. I’d like to get a full-size pickup and a 2500. I don’t know which to go with, a gas or a diesel. Are diesels really that hard to… maintain i mean don’t they just kind of take care of themselves if you don’t drive them enough something comes up on the dash that says keep driving right um that’s a loaded question so first of all let’s back up what are you going to do with the truck nothing just cruise around town in it you’re not going to tow anything okay then why are we looking at 2500 i guess I don’t know. I just like some little heavy duty.
SPEAKER 18 :
That’s okay. If that’s the case, if you want more heavy duty, that’s fine. Truthfully, if you’re not going to tow much, and you are just going to be… And here’s all the caveats. For everybody listening, before I get a bunch of text messages, I’ll go through all of this. My first… My suggestion for you, Dan, and I know other people will argue, but let me walk you through the whole thing. My first suggestion would be if you’re just going to use it for that, you’re going to keep the truck for any length of time, at least five years plus, I’d buy a gas engine truck.
SPEAKER 06 :
You’ve got quite a few of those diesels, right?
SPEAKER 18 :
I have a lot of diesels. I have some gas engine trucks in the fleet as well, so I kind of have a combo. And, again, we kind of buy according to what that truck’s going to be doing. Now, before I get a bunch of text messages on this, yes, the diesel trucks are always going to be worth more money and easier to resell on down the road because everybody’s looking for a good, solid-use diesel truck. So there is that caveat. So if it’s something where, you know, you don’t mind having – Really some extra maintenance and some things on the diesel that you don’t have on the gas engine. It’s kind of opposite of what used to be. It used to be that you’d buy a diesel and there were less maintenance. That’s not true anymore because there are more filters and things that are on the diesel that you still need to take care of and change and so on. Even if you’re not driving the truck much, those things will still need to be done. We’re on the gas counterpart now. They really don’t have to be done. That gas truck, no offense, for the little bit of miles you may put on it, you could literally, other than oil changes and doing some regular maintenance on that end, you literally could drive that truck 100,000 miles and not spend much money on it. And I’m not exaggerating.
SPEAKER 06 :
See, I like that 6.6 gas engine, too.
SPEAKER 18 :
It’s a good engine.
SPEAKER 06 :
The 24s come with the 10-speed.
SPEAKER 18 :
Correct. Correct.
SPEAKER 06 :
And the diesels now, they all got 10 speeds.
SPEAKER 18 :
And the other thing to factor in, again, before everybody texts me that I’m either right, wrong, or otherwise, you’ll spend about $9,000 to $10,000 extra on the diesel over what you will on the gas engine. So, again, all that gets factored in. And fuel nowadays, it used to be diesel was cheaper than gas, but not anymore. We’ve been talking about some of that even now. Through the show today, Dan, Chris from Centennial called in. The diesel is going to be more expensive on a per-gallon basis than the gas engine. Now, mileage-wise, truthfully, not going to be much difference. Believe it or not, the 6.6 gas and the diesel, some are going to come back and say, oh, no, that diesel will get 20 miles a gallon. No, they don’t. No, very seldom does a Duramax get 20 miles a gallon.
SPEAKER 09 :
Oh, really? On the highway? I get 20 on my truck.
SPEAKER 18 :
The 6.6 will do the same. As far as the fuel economy goes, they’re going to be equal.
SPEAKER 09 :
Yeah.
SPEAKER 06 :
Well, I just saw diesel up here at the gas station. It was just a little cheaper than premium grade regular gas.
SPEAKER 18 :
That’s correct.
SPEAKER 06 :
It’s above mid-grade or whatever.
SPEAKER 18 :
That’s correct. Yeah, and if you’re comparing premium to diesel, yes, they’re going to be very comparable. If you’re comparing just regular old 85 unleaded, yeah, they’re going to be a lot cheaper. It’s going to be in some cases, literally in some cases, could be as much as 80 cents a gallon cheaper.
SPEAKER 06 :
Now, you don’t have any of those 6.6 gas engines, do you?
SPEAKER 18 :
I think we have one.
SPEAKER 06 :
Man, I wonder if they run real good.
SPEAKER 18 :
Ken Rackley from Toontech, he’s actually got one, Dan. You could call Ken up and actually talk to him. He’s got a new ZR2 2500 with a 6.6 gas engine in it that he’s had now for several months. He’s towed with it and done some things with it. So there’s a guy right in our group that if you want to talk to somebody that owns one, call Ken Rackley up. He’ll talk to you.
SPEAKER 06 :
And that’s a Toontech.
SPEAKER 18 :
Toontech Automotive. He’s over here in Aurora, just east of where we are at the station, basically Colfax and 225. Just a little east of Colfax. Yeah, and you could talk to him, and he’d tell you exactly the good, bad, the ugly of that particular engine and combo and so on, what its mileage is and everything.
SPEAKER 09 :
Okay. Real low.
SPEAKER 18 :
Now, just remember, when he gives you mileage numbers, he’s a ZR2 with 35-inch tires, so he’s got a little bit different truck than the average truck. So it sits up higher off the ground. Front end’s a little bit different. The tire size is larger. So his fuel economy is probably going to be worse than just a regular standard 2500.
SPEAKER 06 :
Has he ever talked to you about it and told you he likes it?
SPEAKER 18 :
Oh, he loves it. Oh, okay. Yeah, we see him. I mean, I see him every time he comes to do the show and he drives that truck. No, he loves the truck, yeah. And for what he uses it for and even the towing and things that he does, Dan, it’s perfect. He’s like, I didn’t need a diesel. This is a perfect truck. It works great.
SPEAKER 06 :
Okay, that’s all I was looking for.
SPEAKER 18 :
So there’s some of your answers. And, again, before some of you diesel lovers tell me I’m completely wrong, no, you’ve really got to look at the vehicle. What are you going to be doing with it? How much towing and so on are you going to do or not do? And all those different things combined come into play. And I’m not for or against either side of that. It really just comes down to what are you going to be doing with the truck when it’s all said and done. And then make the decision from there. And like I said, knowing on the front side, yes, you’re going to pay more money for the diesel. You’re also going to get that money back when you go to resell it because the diesels will bring more money than the gas engines will. Because most people out there that are shopping for a used diesel truck, they’ll pay a premium because there’s not too many good ones out there. Most of the diesel trucks are. Honestly, they’ve been beat up. They’ve been in fleets. They’ve done other things along those lines, even guys that own them. I mean, most guys that own diesel trucks, they use them. They haul. They’re doing other things with them. And if you find that cream puff that isn’t that way, well, they bring a premium dollar when it’s all said and done.
SPEAKER 09 :
Now, I heard, are they talking about removing some of those emissions? Do we have to put the DEF in there?
SPEAKER 18 :
Great question, Steve. What they’re talking about doing is not necessarily removing it, but changing how long you have to fill it up when you’re low or out. currently the vehicle will go into limp mode when it gets empty they give you very limited mileage to actually get def added back into it the epa right now in the current administration is looking at changing that to where you’d have anywhere from a thousand to twelve hundred miles you could drive before actually adding the def to it lowering that you know raising i should say the mileage threshold therefore not having it go into that limp mode uh as soon as what it does currently right now so yes there’s some things in the works along those lines that they’re trying to have it but yeah you still have it but it would be a little different you know scenario so i’ve heard they go pretty quickly into limp mode oh they do currently right now they don’t give you i mean it’ll tell you right on the gas you know hey you’re going to be going into limp mode in x amount of miles if you don’t put def in and they’re wanting to change some of that so that it’s not so quote unquote burdensome to the motoring public
SPEAKER 09 :
Yeah, that’s a little bit too much. You need a little grace.
SPEAKER 18 :
I don’t know where the 1,000-mile thing came from. I’m guessing if somebody’s on a road trip and maybe it’s the middle of the night and whatever. I think that’s kind of probably how they’re looking at that 1,000-mile mark versus where it is right now. Because right now, to your point, Steve, it’s pretty low. So, now, I also know that the manufacturers themselves are working on changing some of the emissions controls on the diesels to be, how should I say this, they’re making the engines cleaner to where they don’t need as much emissions devices on them because they’re not having to clean up as much as they once were. There’s a lot of videos out even from, you know, banks themselves. for example, out in California, whereby they’ve changed, Duramax’s, for example, they’ve changed the piston design to make them more efficient, make the combustion cooler. It’s the hot combustion that actually causes knocks. So they’re figuring out ways internally even to lower some of the emissions so that they don’t have to have as many devices on them as they once were. So some of that’s happening as we speak outside of what’s going on with the EPA. Now, someone always asks, well, why didn’t they do that to begin with? Because Because stuff changes. And, by the way, it was Banks who actually engineered some pistons before GM took that design over and said, listen, we can actually gain power, lower temperatures, and so on with this design. It’s the aftermarket in that case that now has gone back into the factory side. And, by the way, that happens more often than you think. It’s the aftermarket guys really getting – You know, ingenuity, I guess you could say, on that end of things to really design some things that really help at the end of the day, and pretty soon it makes it into the production vehicles. There’s a great example of that right there.
SPEAKER 09 :
I think manufacturers tend to be stuck in a box sometimes.
SPEAKER 18 :
Sometimes they do. Well, cost and so on.
SPEAKER 09 :
Sometimes they just need to be kicked out of it a little bit.
SPEAKER 18 :
Absolutely. And that’s what the aftermarket. Competition is a good thing. And that’s a great example of what competition in the free market actually does. All right. We’ve got one more segment left. We’ll come back. Myself, Steve Horvath from Geno’s. This is Drive Radio KLZ 560.
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All right, we are back. Drive Radio, KLZ 560. Myself, Steve Horvath. Gino’s Auto Service with me today. We had Pat Schneidt from Alltech Automotive with us for the majority of the show, by the way. And I appreciate, Pat, if you’re still listening on your way to your appointment, thank you again for all you do. I appreciate it greatly. Up in the Fort Collins area. And I got a text message a moment ago that somebody will definitely be listening to Drive Radio, The Extra Mile. That’s from 3 to 4 o’clock. on saturdays and as i stated earlier that’s a program we’re doing now kind of adding on to what we’re currently doing you can’t call in no we’re not live it will kind of sound like we are but no we’re not live and and i i basically said this on the the show today because i recorded it uh well I did some recordings for it yesterday, and then we’re packing in some EV conversation we had a few weeks ago, kind of all into today’s show to kind of kick things off. And I said it during the program, if there’s something you’d like us to delve into. So this hour gives us the opportunity to have kind of some un- uninterrupted time and not that you guys calling interrupts that’s not what I mean we love callers that’s how this show works it’s driven by you guys and that is fine I’m not changing that either we’re not going to change what we do from 10 to 1 at all we are here to answer questions and help people and so on and that’s not going to ever change that’s going to be and live we’re going to do this just like we do it for gosh I guess until we all don’t want to do it anymore but right now we’re doing it so we’re going to keep doing it for as long as we can now this extra hour the extra mile is It is an hour. We’re pre-recording that, and it’s going to have a little different format to it because we can delve into some topics that in the past we might have brushed on but really didn’t have a chance to really delve into. Like today, we’re doing a full half hour on the EV sides of things, and then I did a half hour on how do you go buy a new car. You know, what’s the best ways to buy a new car, some tips and tricks, everything from what do you do at the dealership, how do you handle the financing, do you buy gap insurance, all that kind of stuff. I winded all of that in today’s program. And next week, I’m going to dovetail into this week. We’re going to talk used cars. So today I did new cars. Next week, next Saturday it’ll be, because I’ll record that on Monday, we’re going to do how do you buy. a used car because they’re not one in the same. There’s actually more involved in the used car. It’s harder to buy a used car. That’s right. Then there is a new car. So I’m going to take an entire hour to talk about the used car side next week versus, and I’ll get into even what if you want to sell your own car? What are some of the steps to, you know, that are involved in doing that? And so on and so forth. My point is this extra hour, we’re going to be able to use for different things. So if there’s a particular topic that, that you would like us to talk about. Or there’s a particular person out there where you know somebody and they would make a great interview and you know somebody that’s a higher up at such and such or whatever. If there’s a way for you guys to get some of that information to me, we’ll do our best to reach out. And since we’re not doing recordings and shows live on a Saturday and I can work some of these things in during the week, it gives me the ability to even do some interviews with some of those people that frankly aren’t always available on a Saturday because they want their Saturday off and I get that. And no offense taken, I understand that. We all participate and do this each Saturday, but not everybody else wants to do that. So this gives us the opportunity, though, to interview some of those people during the week that we might not otherwise be able to talk to, and then I’ll play that again on that Saturday or even some Saturdays down the road, depending upon how many of those I can get done. SEMA, for example, I’ll be going to that this week, and I will do my best to even get some interviews with some folks out there, depending upon what a particular new product might be or… And it might just be me standing in a booth talking about the product because nobody there has the time to actually chat, or maybe the engineer is not available, and whatever. There’s times at SEMA where there’s a lot of folks floating in the booth, and there’s times where there’s not many there, depending upon when you hit it.
SPEAKER 09 :
And you have a press to get in earlier and stuff.
SPEAKER 18 :
Yeah, I’ve got a media pass that enables me to get in a little bit earlier. It’s still crowded. It’s very crowded, yes. It is the second largest trade show in Vegas, period.
SPEAKER 09 :
Okay.
SPEAKER 18 :
So lots of people there.
SPEAKER 09 :
I think even for, you know, non-tech or, you know, just to go see it once is worth it, to see it, be part of it.
SPEAKER 18 :
Yeah, what they’ve done there for all of you that are listening too, used to be it was always closed to the public. You could not get in unless you had some sort of connection in the industry. You know, media or you owned a shop or you worked for a shop or something along those lines. You know, you worked for one of the industries. Right. Now what they’ve done is you can buy tickets for Friday. So what’s happened is everybody that’s out there like me that’s really going to do business, quote-unquote, is usually there from either Monday or Tuesday to Thursday because Friday is open to the public. They even bring some different staffing into the booths. for friday because it’s retail public that are coming through point is if any of you have ever wanted to go and you felt like hey that’s a that’s a worthwhile thing and i’d like to be a part of that but i never had the ability to get a pass before you can now just go and buy tickets on friday and actually walk you know walk the show on right now i will say this you can’t cover the whole show you’re not going to get it in one day that sounds so you have to kind of reach square feet if not million five i want to say it’s a ton Because they cover the whole, I mean, it’s the regular convention center, it’s the Sands Hotel, and they usually have stuff even at Mandalay Bay. So they’ll take most every convention center in town and fill it up one way or the other with something. And it’s industry week is what they call it, and then the Grand Prix is the week after. So there’s a lot of stuff going on, you know, industry-related this week. But for those of you listening, if you’ve ever thought about wanting to go, yes. And even this year, if you can get out there by Friday and buy a ticket, you can actually go Friday and walk the show. do everything that you want to do and it is it if you’ve never been it’s overwhelming for me where i’ve been almost i’ve missed a few years because of covet and some other things elections and so on like i didn’t go last year because of the election cycle but typically i go and i’ve been going since 1987. I’ve seen it change a lot since 1987, where it was in the old convention center. They put all kinds of tents around, and a lot of what you looked at was in tents outside. Well, then it kept adding on to the convention center and just kept getting bigger and bigger and bigger and what it is today, and they fill it up, and it is massive. And, yeah, if you’ve never been before, it’s literally overwhelming because when you walk in, it’s literally just all you see is stuff to do with the industry everywhere. I mean, and they kind of segmented out where there’ll be like the street rod section, there’ll be the off road section, there’s the tire and wheel section, there’s the import section, there’s the audio visual section and on and on we go. So they do separate that out to a large degree. And it’ll be interesting this year to see what happens with the manufacturers because a few years ago, a lot of the manufacturers pulled out and they weren’t there. And it’ll be interesting to see this year how many of them are actually back or did they decide to go ahead and not go ahead and stay out of it not come back. But it is it is definitely if you’re if you’re an industry enthusiast, is it something worth going to? Yes, it is. Absolutely. And if you’re, of course, a shop owner or you’re involved in the industry at all, is it worth going to? Yes, there’s two shows, by the way. There’s SEMA and Apex. Apex is actually more of the hard part, tools, fluids, all the gadgets and things that go along with it. It’s over at the Sands Hotel, and it’s called SEMA Apex, but they’re technically not the same show. They are two separate shows, but one pass gets to both.
SPEAKER 09 :
Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER 18 :
Now, I don’t know what Apex does on Fridays. That one, I’ve not studied that one enough to know if you can get into Apex on Friday. I know you can get into SEMA as just a regular, quote-unquote, retail spectator. That I do know you can do on Friday. So, yeah, I’ll be going this week. I’ll have some stuff back for you next week. And I say this every year, and I mean it as well. If there’s something that you would like me to actually look at, you’ve seen an ad for something, or, hey, I’d like to know a little bit more about this particular product, Hey, by all means, I’ll do my best to try to get by. Usually I do. If there’s somebody that somebody, you know, if something you guys want me to go look at, I will do my very best to get by and see that. Will you take the Tesla train thing? The loop. The loop. The loop. I haven’t done that yet. I’ve got to try that. The loop is cool. Is it? The boring company that is owned by Elon Musk. Yeah, it is. It’s very, very futuristic and cool and gets you from A to B in a very efficient way.
SPEAKER 09 :
And that drops you at the show too or something like that?
SPEAKER 18 :
You can pick it up at – well, currently you can pick it up over at the one hotel and then you take it across. So you can actually park at the hotel and then – take that on over take the loop on over and there you go and they’re adding to the loop all the time so i again i didn’t go last year so i don’t know how much they’ve added even this year i’ll know when i come back i’ll report to you guys on that but but again the extra mile that’s from three to four o’clock and i encourage you guys to listen and we’ll have that recorded put that up on the website and all that as well but that one especially if there’s a particular topic you’d like to see us you know, delve into more. It gives us the ability to be a lot more, you know, technical, I guess you could say, and spend some time on some things that we don’t always have a chance to do here, you know, on drive radio.
SPEAKER 09 :
I was thinking, you know, tires, you could spend a, we do a whole hour on that. You could do a lot on tires.
SPEAKER 18 :
And a lot of times, a lot of times we skim the surface of some of those topics.
SPEAKER 09 :
And you’ll be able to download them, listen to them later. Absolutely. The usual.
SPEAKER 18 :
Absolutely. Once they’re done, we’ll put those up on the website. You can download them. Keep in mind, those of you that aren’t local, you can still listen online either through the website itself. You can listen through the Drive Radio website as well or the KLZ Radio app. You can listen that way. And I know a lot of you do. We’ve got folks that listen to us all over the country. and you can still listen that way. And some of you that are even out of the normal frequency end of things or you’re working in your metal building and it doesn’t pick things up really well, just use the app at that point, and you can still listen, again, from 3 to 4 every single Saturday. And, again, I’m going to involve folk, too. It won’t just be me all the time. This particular one was, but I’ll have folks like Steve and Pat and all the folks that you see that are involved with us. And, again, I’m going to try to bring some special guests in at different times and, again, get into more depth on some things you know, some engineers and some people that are actually higher up at some of the things that we talk about on a regular basis, even some of the manufacturers, hopefully, and have some interviews along those lines as well. So again, be listening to that. And that’s a, that’s an effort that I attribute a lot to Charlie as well, because he did a lot of work this week to put that together. So I appreciate it. And it won’t just be me doing this as my point, we’ll have a lot of folks involved in the background helping out as well. So And as always, if there’s something that comes up during that particular hour and you want to text us a question, be sure to do so. 307-282-22. Steve, give folks your phone number and how they can get a hold of you.
SPEAKER 09 :
303-794-6700.
SPEAKER 18 :
And that’s Geno’s Auto Service. And as I always say, don’t forget, Geno starts with a J. Guys, that’s it for today. Have a fabulous weekend. Get out there. Enjoy the sunshine. It won’t be here for long. We’re heading into winter, as you know. And we’ll see you back next week right here on Drive Radio, KLZ 560.
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