Andy Peth fills in on Rush to Reason with Jersey Joe for a fast-moving hour of political clarity and cultural smackdowns. From a laugh-out-loud “Am I Old?” test to a fiery critique of the Biden military ads, they dig into why America’s recruitment turnaround came from strength—not sensitivity. Joe unloads on Biden’s $93B last-minute green energy cash dump, Rubio obliterates a Senate heckler, and Charlie Kirk dismantles anti-Israel propaganda at Cambridge. Also: AI models writing blackmail and planning their own survival? Oh yes, it’s all here.
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SPEAKER 18 :
Get a job, sir. You haven’t made everybody equal. You’ve made them the same, and there’s a big difference.
SPEAKER 21 :
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Are you crazy? Am I? Or am I so sane that you just blew your mind?
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SPEAKER 16 :
Filling in is Andy Pate, party of choice. And welcome to our number three here on Rush to Reason. I’m Andy Pate, filling in for John Rush, who will be back tomorrow. The long wait is over, and on the line right now we’ve got Jersey Joe. Joe, how you doing? I’m doing good. How you doing? Doing pretty good, pretty good. I haven’t been able to talk to you that way in a long time, so it really feels good. Joe, now I know you’ve got a few things we’re going to play, but first.
SPEAKER 15 :
No, no, before you play that, I want a little humor to start the show, if you don’t mind. Please, start with some humor. You’ve got a birthday coming up in about 30 days, right? Yes, I do. All right, so here’s a little test. How old is Andy Pace? Now, I’m going to read off a list of things that only old people have done, and I just want you to say either guilty or not guilty. So here’s a list of things. If you’ve done these, you’re guilty. All right, use the rotary dial telephone. Guilty. Guilty. Guilty. Guilty. Guilty. Guilty. Guilty. Guilty. Guilty. Guilty. Guilty. Guilty. Played a game on an Atari GameBox. Guilty. Sent or received a fax. Guilty. Ordered records from Columbia House. Guilty. Accessed the Internet via a dial-up modem.
SPEAKER 16 :
Guilty. Actually, you know what? Columbia House, I think I’m not guilty on that. But go ahead.
SPEAKER 15 :
Keep going. Looked something up in a hard copy encyclopedia. Guilty. Used a paper phone book. Guilty. Sent a postcard. Guilty. Used a paper roadmap. Guilty. Still do, by the way. Owned a dictionary. Guilty. Written a paper check. Guilty. Last but not least, uncurled a telephone cord.
SPEAKER 16 :
Yeah, I still do that. I actually do that with the cords here in the studio. And yes, I’ve done that with phone cords.
SPEAKER 15 :
By the way, let me tell you, I won’t tell you what my score was, but I’m going to tell you this, how old it made me feel. When I asked my daughter to take the test, there were 24 items on the list. She scored a 24 out of 24. So if your daughter scores 24 out of 24, how old does that make you?
SPEAKER 16 :
Dead. It means you’re dead, Joe. You’re not actually here, okay? This is heaven. I hope it turned out as good as you expected.
SPEAKER 15 :
By the way, but just think of how many young people today have never done a single one of those things.
SPEAKER 16 :
You know, but that’s a good thing, isn’t it? I mean, progress is a great thing. It’s very impressive. What an incredible country we have where things move at such a lightning pace.
SPEAKER 15 :
You know, a wise man once told me, he said, Things change, and if you don’t believe that, when you go home tonight, put a banana in your coat pocket and then check it in about two weeks.
SPEAKER 16 :
That’s good. I hadn’t thought of that.
SPEAKER 15 :
All right, so you got a video, an audio clip to start us off with, right?
SPEAKER 16 :
Yeah, I just want to play this. This is a new ad. Now, you remember during the time of Biden, the ads they were using for recruitment for the military? Remember, they were unbelievable. I mean, they were just it was all talking about our diversity, our diversity, being gay, lesbian, being couples and all this kind of stuff. And, you know, God help them if they ever put a white man on the screen or whatever. It was just all this absolute celebrate diversity nonsense. And of course, what happened to their numbers, Joe?
SPEAKER 15 :
In the toilet. Yeah, absolutely. We didn’t meet our recruiting goals for three years in a row.
SPEAKER 16 :
How can you talk about happy, happy diversity, right, and we’re all going to celebrate diversity when you’re sending people off to kill people and break things? I don’t get it. What was their thinking? But anyway, now I’m going to play their latest ad, and this is actually true. This is from the new Defense Department. The Pentagon has rolled out an epic new ad. Here we go.
SPEAKER 18 :
No more distractions. No more electric tanks. No more gender confusion. No more climate change worship. We are laser focused on our mission of warfighting.
SPEAKER 19 :
We will measure our success not only by the battles we win, but also by the wars we end, and perhaps most importantly, the wars we never get into.
SPEAKER 18 :
It’s called peace through strength. You look into the eyes of these young Americans who are giving up the best years of their life in a uniform to serve their nation, they are incredible.
SPEAKER 19 :
Through our power and might, we will lead the world to peace. Our friends will respect us, our enemies will fear us, and the whole world will admire the unrivaled greatness of the United States military. We will replenish the pride of our armed forces, end the recruitment crisis,
SPEAKER 18 :
We don’t fight because we hate what’s in front of us. We fight because we love what’s behind us.
SPEAKER 19 :
God bless you. God bless our own forces. God bless our men and women serving overseas. And God bless the United States of America.
SPEAKER 16 :
Joe, I’m going to ask you two questions. First of all, what do you think? How does that sound to people who are considering being in the military?
SPEAKER 15 :
Well, let’s look at how, as a result, we went from three years in a row of failing to meet our recruiting goals, and now we’re seven months into the new fiscal year, and all four branches of the military have already met or exceeded their recruiting goals seven months into the new fiscal year.
SPEAKER 16 :
Exactly. And number two, Joe, how do you feel hearing that if you’re our enemies? I’d be worried as hell. Yeah, so would I. And I got to throw in number three. How would you have felt if you were our enemies and you got to see and they did, by the way, and you got to see the recruiting ads put out by the Biden administration that woke absolute. We’re going to bring you in here to, I don’t know, change your life and all get along or whatever. I mean, those kinds of ads. What do you think our enemies thought when they saw the Biden ads?
SPEAKER 15 :
Well, number one, I think weakness. But, you know, my first reaction is like they’d be. They’d look at the ad and they would laugh hysterically and they’d share it with all of their friends. Yes. Look at what those idiots in the United States are doing. Yeah. They would be making fun of us.
SPEAKER 16 :
They would see us putting out military ads celebrating the gay lifestyle. And by the way, folks, if you’re gay, live your life, whatever. But what’s that got to do with blowing up a building? OK, they would see us celebrating this lifestyle, celebrating the fact that we have different colors, celebrating that we have men and women, celebrating that we have this and that. And meanwhile, the people who are watching this from overseas are people who are in militaries that kill people. OK, that go in and murder and kill and overrun villages and stuff like this. And they’re looking at that and saying that’s what they’re recruiting to fight us.
SPEAKER 15 :
It’s weakness. And we’re going to play a clip later on of Charlie Kirk from having a debate. with a young Cambridge student over the Israeli Hamas conflict in Gaza. We’re going to play that clip.
SPEAKER 16 :
Well, I’ll tell you what. I’ll tell you what. I’ll just tell you what. Let’s take a break because I want to have more time to get right to the – because the rest of this is all going to be your recording. Sound good? Okay.
SPEAKER 15 :
All right.
SPEAKER 16 :
Let’s take – well, go ahead.
SPEAKER 15 :
No, good enough. Great.
SPEAKER 16 :
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And welcome back to Rush to Reason, Denver’s Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560, Andy Pig filling in for John Rush. On the line, we’ve got Jersey Joe. Joe, what do you got for me?
SPEAKER 15 :
All right, first clip I want to play is our new Energy Secretary, Chris Wright. Yes. And testifying before the Senate. And I want to set the stage. The other voice you’re going to hear is one of my favorites. It’s Senator John Kennedy from Louisiana, Republican. Oh, yeah. Now, he comes across like a country bumpkin. He’s a Harvard Law School graduate. And so Chris Wright’s been there testifying before the Senate. And so Senator Kennedy gets the floor and starts to ask our new Energy Secretary, Chris Wright, about expenditures by the Department of Energy, which he’s now heading up. Between Election Day 2024, which is November 5th, that was the day Kamala Harris lost the presidential election, and January 21, which was the day that Trump was sworn in as president. Now, appreciate that’s a 76-day period, but keep in mind, out of that 76-day period, You had 11 weekends, so that’s times two days per weekend. That’s 22 days. So 76 minus 22 is 54. And then you had the Thanksgiving Day. You had Thursday and Friday for Thanksgiving. You had the Christmas recess. You had the New Year’s Day recess. So you were down to about, you know, maybe 48 days. And here’s what the Department of Energy under Biden did in the last 76 calendar days and 48 working days. So let’s play this clip. It’s a 10-minute clip. We’ll only play the first two and a half minutes.
SPEAKER 10 :
I’ve come in with great concern about how this institution, this great American institution, has been run and how American taxpayer money has been handled. Chairman, I look forward to you. We’ve got a lot of work ahead of us.
SPEAKER 07 :
Thank you, Senator. Mr. Secretary, I want to go back to some of your earlier testimony and be sure I heard it correctly. The 76-day period you’re talking about, That’s the period between the time that President Trump was elected and President Biden left office. Is that right? That is correct. And during that short period of time, 76 days.
SPEAKER 11 :
How much taxpayer money went out the door of the Department of Energy from the loan program office in loans and commitments? Ninety three billion dollars. well over twice as much as in the previous 15 years.
SPEAKER 07 :
So how do you vet and do due diligence on a loan in 76 days? One loan, much less $93 billion. How do you do it?
SPEAKER 11 :
I think it’s probably pretty clear it wasn’t done in many cases. As I mentioned, I’m told I’m holding back clearly in place stuff. There was lots of funds that have gone out the door and commitments that were made from businesses that provided no business plan, no numbers about their own financial solvency or how this project.
SPEAKER 07 :
So you’re telling me that the Department of Energy. In the 76 day period. Before their boss was going to leave office. Gave our loan money to entities that had no business plan. Correct. No financials.
SPEAKER 11 :
Correct. A number of those were before the 76-day period as well. I’ve come in with great concern about how this institution, this great American institution has been run and how American taxpayer money has been handled.
SPEAKER 16 :
Basically, Joe. The Biden administration used every single department simply as a conduit through which they could reach through it and into the American taxpayers pocket and rob them blind.
SPEAKER 15 :
And give them some money. I believe that Stacey Abrams in Georgia. Oh, yeah. She she got what, a billion dollars. And she started a brand new company that had a hundred dollar in it. $100 in a bank account and hundreds of millions or a billion dollars that Stacey Abrams got.
SPEAKER 16 :
Yeah, they just funneled it. All they did was funnel it to their activist buddies.
SPEAKER 15 :
Activist buddies. And this goes beyond incompetence. I think this goes to intentional malfeasance.
SPEAKER 16 :
Joe, don’t we have to get that money back?
SPEAKER 15 :
You would, you know, we should try like hell. And if there was fraud, we ought to be prosecuting. You know, clearly, if you applied for, and by the way, when you talk about 93 billion, very few of those were multi-billion dollar loans. You know, you’re talking, you know, 50 million, 100 billion. You’re probably talking, if I had to guess, if the average loan amount was a couple of hundred million, you’re probably talking 500 loans and loans and grants. So they weren’t all loans and grants.
SPEAKER 16 :
Yeah. And Joe, by the way, I’m sorry, but did you know that you just became a liar?
SPEAKER 15 :
Why is that?
SPEAKER 16 :
Well, loans are paid back. That’s true. Okay. You’re using improper English. I guess that’s what I’m saying. Maybe it’s your pronunciation.
SPEAKER 15 :
Right. And by the way, they were loans or loans or loan guarantees like the cylinder when Obama guaranteed the $500 million cylinder. And by the way, and I want to talk about federal guarantees.
SPEAKER 20 :
Yeah.
SPEAKER 15 :
Okay. I will use Solyndra as a case study. So Solyndra, you know, the big solar energy firm, green energy, solar panels, they had gone to every major bank and every venture capital group in the country. And by the way, these banks, they hire the brightest people in the world. And 30-some banks and investment capital firms turn them down. Oh, of course. And then they go to the Obama administration, and Obama says, well, well, we’re smarter than all of those other banks and investors that you went to. We think this is a great business plan. We’re going to guarantee a $500 million loan. And once the federal government guarantees a loan, of course, the banks will absolutely lend you the money because, in fact, they’re probably counting on you defaulting. But how arrogant is it of the federal government to assume that they are smarter than – every one of those 30 lending institutions and investors.
SPEAKER 16 :
And don’t forget about, you’re saying arrogant, don’t forget about dishonest because the leaders of Solyndra were big donors then to Obama.
SPEAKER 15 :
Exactly. It’s a money laundering scheme.
SPEAKER 16 :
It was a money laundering scheme. That money went right back into the pockets of Democrats. Obviously, just a portion of it. But that’s what they were doing. They were enriching their buddies who were going to produce nothing. Obviously, Solyndra went under because they had a terrible business plan. That’s why everybody turned them down. But a bunch of money wound up in the pockets of Democrats. And every single November, what do Republicans always say? Why do the Democrats have so much more money than we do?
SPEAKER 15 :
Yeah, because they give them the good – like with the USAID, they give the money out to people like Stacey Abrams, and they turn right around and donate it back in campaign contributions. Right. And that’s been the business model of the Democrat Party. Let’s either grant money or loan money to people, and then expecting them – and it’s all understood. I mean, it’s never written down, but it’s all understood. And they, in turn, will donate it back to our campaign committees. By the way – The business model.
SPEAKER 16 :
By the way, I love Kennedy. He’s my favorite senator. He just comes off like a country bumpkin, but he’s got the mind of a shark. He does. Circling in the waters, ready to embarrass you. I just love it. Do you got another one?
SPEAKER 15 :
Um, well, how much time do you have before the break? I don’t want to get into Rubio unless we’ve got at least 10 minutes.
SPEAKER 16 :
I’ll tell you what, why don’t we take, well, let’s go to break really quick. Cause it’s not a long break. Okay. Let’s go to a quick break because I want to spend lots of time on Rubio. Rubio has been a superstar. They need him in the next Marvel movie. He has been so good. So let’s take a break. Okay. Up next is Roof Savers. Hey, who needs a great roof? Who needs one, right? It doesn’t rain in Colorado, right? Please. Have you looked? Yes, it does. Folks, Dave Hart. He can fix your roof when things go wrong, but he can also treat your roof to last 5, 10, even 15 years longer. Call Dave at 303-710-6916.
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And welcome back to Rush to Reason. Denver’s Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560. Andy Pate filling in for John Rush. On the line, we’ve got Jersey Joe. Joe, I need a little Marco fix. I need my Marco fix.
SPEAKER 15 :
Well, let me set the stage. So what you’re going to hear, Senator Chris Von Hollen of Maryland, who’s the same senator that went down and had margaritas with… that guy we deported to the El Salvador prison down there, but he was seen at a table.
SPEAKER 16 :
He might be their dumbest congressperson outside Hawaii. Right.
SPEAKER 15 :
Anyway, so he’s just had a full seven minutes, and he’s been interrogating our Secretary of State, our new Secretary, Marco Rubio, on things he’s done with USAID and about revoking student visas. And so now it’s Marco Rubio’s turn to, to respond. And Marco Rubio, Secretary Rubio has the floor and Senator Van Hollen’s time is expired. But apparently Senator Van Hollen doesn’t like that because he doesn’t get to talk anymore. So here’s Marco Rubio destroying Senator Van Hollen with his rebuttal to all the charges and claims that Senator Van Hollen made. So let’s play Marco Rubio.
SPEAKER 12 :
And I have to tell you directly and personally, that I regret voting for you for Secretary of State. I yield back.
SPEAKER 23 :
Can I respond?
SPEAKER 12 :
You may, sir.
SPEAKER 23 :
Well, first of all, your regret for voting for me confirms I’m doing a good job based on what I know.
SPEAKER 12 :
That’s just a flippant statement, Mr. Secretary.
SPEAKER 23 :
Can I respond, Mr. Chairman?
SPEAKER 12 :
You may.
SPEAKER 23 :
I didn’t ask a question.
SPEAKER 14 :
Senator, please let the Secretary have the floor.
SPEAKER 12 :
I’d be happy to, but then I can respond to his…
SPEAKER 14 :
Your time’s up, Senator, and woefully used, I might add. Your remarks do not represent the view of this committee.
SPEAKER 23 :
Well, Mr. Chairman… Secretary, please… Well, I’d like to… I can’t respond to everything he said because much of these are untrue, but I’ll go through a few. First of all, I’m actually very proud of the work we’ve done with USAID. For example, I don’t regret cutting $10 million for male circumcisions in Mozambique. I don’t know how that makes us stronger and more prosperous as a nation. I don’t regret psychosocial support services for USAID. I raise two hands, Mr. Secretary, not Mozambique.
SPEAKER 14 :
Senator, do I… Senator, I’d ask you to suspend. You had seven straight minutes.
SPEAKER 12 :
I chose to use my time that way, Mr. Chairman. That’s my right to use my time that way. Please suspend, Secretary Rubio.
SPEAKER 23 :
Well, I can go on. I mean, there’s other things here. We spent $227,000 for Big Cat’s YouTube channel from USAID. We spent $14 million for social cohesion in Mali, whatever the hell that means. So I can go on and on. I got the list here and there’s more. I didn’t even bring the whole list. In the case of El Salvador, absolutely. Absolutely. Absolutely. We deported gang members, gang members, including the one you had a margarita with. And that guy is a human trafficker, and that guy is a gangbanger, and the evidence is going to be clear in the days to come.
SPEAKER 12 :
Mr. Chairman, I’m sorry, Mr. Chairman. Secretary Rubio has the floor.
SPEAKER 14 :
Mr. Chairman, he can’t make unsubstantiated comments like that. Secretary Rubio has the floor.
SPEAKER 12 :
Secretary Rubio should take that testimony to the federal court of the United States because he hasn’t done it under oath.
SPEAKER 23 :
Here’s another point, okay? There is a division in our government between the federal branch and the judicial branch. No judge and the judicial branch cannot tell me or the president how to conduct foreign policy. No judge can tell me how I have to outreach to a foreign partner or what I need to say to them. And if I do reach that foreign partner and talk to them, I have under no obligation to share that with the judiciary branch. Just like a judge cannot order me to negotiate with a foreign minister of Russia, they cannot order me to negotiate with a foreign minister or the president of El Salvador. And if I did negotiate with them, which we have responded to them, and we’ve told them we’ve had communications with the president of El Salvador, I am under no obligation under our division of powers in this country to share with the judicial branch how I conducted diplomacy of the United States. It would actually be counterproductive. If I started sharing with courts, or frankly, with the media, my conversations with foreign leaders and all of their details, no foreign leader would talk to me again, and we would break trust with them. So I have complied with every court order. What I won’t comply with is in order to disclose what I’m saying and what we’re talking about with a foreign leader, because then they won’t talk to me. Diplomacy doesn’t work that way. About the student visas, let me say this. I don’t deport anybody, and I don’t snatch anybody. The State Department does not have officers in the streets snatching everybody. What I do is revoke visas, and it’s very simple. A visa is not a right. It is a privilege. People apply for student visas to come into the United States and study. And if you tell me that you’re coming to the United States to lead campus crusades, to take over libraries and burn down, try to burn down buildings and acts of violence, we’re not going to give you a visa.
SPEAKER 12 :
Is that what Ms. Osdorff did?
SPEAKER 23 :
We’re not going to give you a visa.
SPEAKER 12 :
Is that what she did? Come on, Mr. Secretary. You’re just blowing smoke here now.
SPEAKER 23 :
The bottom line is if you’re coming here to stir up trouble on our campuses, we will deny you a visa.
SPEAKER 12 :
Does the First Amendment apply to people living in the United States?
SPEAKER 23 :
We’re going to do more. There are more coming. We’re going to continue to revoke the visas of people who are here as guests and are disrupting our higher education facilities. People are paying money. These kids pay money to go to school, and they have to walk through a bunch of lunatics who are here on the student visa.
SPEAKER 12 :
Simple as that.
SPEAKER 23 :
I want to do more. I hope we can find more of these people. That’s pathetic, Mr. Secretary. In fact, the other day, some guys led a riot. I forgot what university it was. And I asked, please, can you find the arrest records of all the people that were arrested at that riot at that campus? Because if any of them have a visa, we’re going to revoke it.
SPEAKER 12 :
I feel so much safer to lock up people like Ms. Osterk, Mr. Secretary.
SPEAKER 14 :
We’ve had enough time on the subject. Thank you very much. Joe, this is how good he is.
SPEAKER 16 :
The only way that they can deal with him is to try to silence him or talk over him. They cannot let him speak because he’s going to crush them. This guy is one of the most brilliant speakers of my lifetime.
SPEAKER 15 :
I love the guy, and I think you mentioned you’d like to see him. You know, when the next when 2028 election comes around, we’re assuming that Vance will be the nominee. Oh, I would love to see Rubio as the VP.
SPEAKER 16 :
I believe he will be. I believe it’s going to be Vance Rubio. And there and the reason is, well, there are many reasons. First of all, they’re the only two that Donald Trump has touted. OK, he was asked who would replace you. And those are the two names he brought up right away. Now, Joe, you got to give me just a second, because I guarantee right now they’re out there listening to me. A bunch of disgruntled Republicans who say Gang of Eight. He let us down with the Gang of Eight. He pushed he helped push through the Gang of Eight proposal, which was basically amnesty. OK, guys. Let me answer, and I’m asking you, please, be calm for a moment and let me answer that. It’s easy to answer. The Gang of Eight was a very bad thing. It was a very bad deal for America. Rubio knew that. Rubio worked on the Gang of Eight because this was during the time of Obama. And he worked on it because, as he predicted… if we didn’t have the Gang of Eight deal, Obama was going to push through a worse one called executive amnesty. So he tried to, he’d worked on the Gang of Eight to head off executive amnesty. And Rubio predicted Obama’s move absolutely perfectly to a T. And that is the only reason he did that. And ever since the Gang of Eight has passed, and ever since those days, Rubio’s version of, of immigration policy has been almost identical to Donald Trump’s. And now today, if you want anybody who is a great explainer of Donald Trump’s immigration policy after Tom Holman, it would be Marco Rubio.
SPEAKER 15 :
Yes. And by the way, and, you know, Von Hollen tried to say, well, she wrote an op-ed. Is that why she’s being deported? He glosses over the fact that no, she was deported. had her visa revoked as being deported because she blocked people from entering the library, and she took over a building. The fact that she wrote an op-ed was irrelevant and incidental, but you think Von Hollen’s going to bring that up? No, he’s going to try to make it He’s going to try to… The narrative is you’re deporting her because she wrote a critical op-ed. No, the op-ed had nothing to do with why her visa was revoked.
SPEAKER 16 :
Yeah, and by the way, he says, well, she has free speech. She has free speech. What? She’s here on a student visa. Yeah. She is here on a privilege. And what is she doing? She’s using that as an opportunity to attack the people, giving her the privilege and basically calling our nation racist, hatred, hateful, and that we are supporting genocide at the hands of the Jews. No, no, you have no right to stay here. Get out.
SPEAKER 15 :
Go ahead, Joe. Anyway, so I don’t realize how many listeners know how active Rubio has been And what a fantastic job he’s been doing and the kind of pressure and attacks that he’s been fending off. But I thought he’s wearing three or four hats. Yeah. And he’s right. And he took over the intelligence director job for a time being there for a couple of months. We had a vacancy, but he’s been doing a phenomenal job. I love the way he’s doing his job. And I hope people who have never heard him or been aware of what he’s been doing have a new appreciation for how effective Marco Rubio is in the job he’s doing.
SPEAKER 16 :
He is the greatest Secretary of State since Kissinger.
SPEAKER 15 :
Madeleine Albright wasn’t bad. Nope, she wasn’t bad either. So Madeleine Albright, Kissinger, and Rubio, that’s a great company to be mentioned as part of. Yep, I’m fine with that.
SPEAKER 16 :
Okay, what’s next, sir?
SPEAKER 15 :
How long before another break?
SPEAKER 16 :
About four minutes. Do you want to…
SPEAKER 15 :
We’ll tell you, let’s play it real quick. Charlie Kirk, Turning Point USA, he’s at Cambridge University, and then some young snot-nosed college student starts to challenge him on how Israel’s a bad guy. They’re the bad guy in the Gaza War, and we should be condemning Israel. Here’s Charlie Kirk. response to this. And by the way, this guy must be hopped up. He’s literally bouncing up and down. He’s standing up. He’s not sitting. He’s bouncing up. He’s at a microphone. And he’s literally hopping back and forth from one foot to the other. If you could see the video, it’s hilarious. So let’s play Charlie Kirk responding to this claim that Israel is the bad guy.
SPEAKER 05 :
Let me ask you, in the conflict of Israel versus Hamas, who’s the good guy?
SPEAKER 04 :
I believe both Hamas and the Israeli government are evil. But I think also There is no justification for the murder and mutilation of thousands of innocent people and children. There is no justification for invading hospitals, for bombing innocent populations and dragging out a war which is damaging Israel and the West. You’ve made that point. It’s not a point, it’s a moral truth, isn’t it?
SPEAKER 05 :
It was also a moral truth that the war started because 1,300 Jews were killed and 200 were taken hostage. And when you declare war on Israel, expect a firestorm in reaction. Let me finish. I let you talk. Israel, at its holiest day of the calendar year besides Yom Kippur and Rosh Hashanah, Samat Torah, the 50-year anniversary of the Six-Day War. On Shabbat, Hamas invaded Israel, deciding to go recklessly to music concerts, to homes, to kibbutzes, and taking 200-plus hostages. They knew what they were doing. In one of the most cloistered urban environments on the planet, two million people live in a place where it’s impossible to wage war. Impossible. Where they wear civilian clothing, they violate every tenet of the Geneva Convention, and the IDF, when they do something right, they get no credit. When they do life-saving surgeries of a Gazan child, they get no credit. When they drive leaflets, drop leaflets, they get no credit. But when they happen to bomb a place where they are operating their military from, which we now know from third-party verified sources, hundreds of Hamas military operations are in mosques, schools and hospitals. I’m sorry, the country where they were living in relative peace on October 6, that all of a sudden we had a war and Hamas started the war. And I don’t see people that were really upset about the two million Germans that were killed in World War II, civilians. A tragic truth of war is that civilians die. I don’t like it and you don’t like it. And they brought it upon themselves. The only operation at NTD to blame is the leadership of Hamas, not the Israeli government, for fighting this defensive war after they were invaded. There is a good guy and there is a bad guy. I honestly… Isn’t that the morality of a child? Well, hold on. It’s interesting you say that. Because a child who knows that Israel is the good guy and Hamas is bad has a lot more wisdom than a student like yourself at Cambridge University.
SPEAKER 16 :
My goodness, Joe, if the enemy is going to be hiding in hospitals, in mosques, and in these places, look, if you don’t shoot them there, then where is the enemy always going to cloister?
SPEAKER 15 :
It’s not like Germany and Japan where they had Air Force bases and arms factories. You know, they literally had tunnels under hospitals, tunnels under schools. They wore civilian clothing there. So what are you going to say? Oh, your base of operation is under a hospital. I guess we’re going to leave you alone. You can’t do that.
SPEAKER 16 :
No, you can’t do that. Let me tell you something, Joe. Sorry to interrupt, but I’m angry for a moment. I’m going to turn it back to you. But Joe… This guy who’s talking to him right now knows all of this. He is a tool of Hamas. When he says, oh, they’re both evil, that’s equivocating, okay? He knows that one side is evil and the other side is good. He does not care. He wants Israel wiped off the face of the earth, okay? That is what this guy wants. and he knows full well that Israel could not fight the war in the ways that he is saying that they need to fight the war. Oh, Israel, you’ve got to be pinpoint targeting everything and not taking out the innocents. First of all, who are the innocents? You have no idea over there, okay? You have no idea who’s carrying a bomb. You have no idea. Look, and meanwhile, the combatants are hiding in all the places that you’re told you can’t bomb. Forget that. This guy is asking Israel to fight in a way. Why? Why? Because he wants them to lose.
SPEAKER 15 :
He wants Israel to lose. He wants Hamas to succeed. He wants the Houthis to succeed. Yes. So, you know, clearly, whether he will admit it or not, the guy’s clearly an anti-Semite. Oh, totally. And he’s on the side of Hamas like so many U.S. college students are on the side of Hamas. And, by the way, I played a clip a couple of weeks ago of somebody was interviewing these U.S. college students when they had all these signs like from the river to the sea. And the interviewer says, well, you know, what does that mean, from the river to the sea? And they look at each other, they don’t have a clue. And what it means is from the Jordan River to the Mediterranean Sea, which means, I’m sorry, to the Red Sea, rather, which means that’s where Israel, the country of Israel exists, between the Jordan River and the Red Sea. So when they say from the river to the sea, that basically means we want to wipe Israel off the face of the map. And these people had, and what’s the charter of Hamas? And they had no clue. The charter of Hamas clearly states it’s the elimination of all jews and they had no clue what they were supporting it’s like oh you know after they were explained to them what they were advocating what their signs meant you know and again karl marx and lennon refer to these people as useful idiots uh and that’s what this kid is and what so many unfortunately u.s college students are basically useful idiots
SPEAKER 16 :
I’m telling you what, Joe, none of the supporters. Look, we got to keep in mind, folks, Hamas is not just some little rogue group within that region. They won the elections there. OK, the majority voted and a strong majority voted for these people who are calling for the extermination of the Jews.
SPEAKER 15 :
Of an entire country, of an entire people.
SPEAKER 16 :
Of an entire people next to you. And by the way, then they went and tried to do it. OK, they slaughtered, you know, 1300 people and took 200. You know, this is ridiculous. How can this be allowed? Look, here’s my message to Israel. Wipe them off that area completely and don’t let any of them back in. Period. What do you mean? Civilians, too? There are no civilians because you can’t figure out who is who. There is no way to know who are the innocents.
SPEAKER 15 :
I would drop leaflets. Move them all out. Starting a week from Thursday. They did. Yes. And there’s going to be nothing left standing a week from Thursday. So you got seven days to get out. Because seven days from now, there’ll be nothing left.
SPEAKER 16 :
Israel dropped those leaflets. They did. They dropped the leaflets and said, leave, leave, leave, leave. Now, let me ask you something. Did Hamas drop leaflets before they attacked?
SPEAKER 26 :
Of course not.
SPEAKER 16 :
No. They raped and killed and beheaded. Okay? And meanwhile, Israel is dropping leaflets saying, we just don’t want you here anymore. We don’t want you in a spot where you are able to launch these attacks and kill our people. And rape our women and murder our children.
SPEAKER 15 :
There were seven major population centers in the Gaza Strip. And they went one by one and they dropped leaflets and said, hey, we’re going to bomb this population center in 48 hours. So if you’re in this population center, get out and don’t be here because in two days we’re going to bomb the crap out of it. Hamas never did anything like that. And if people stayed, that’s on them.
SPEAKER 16 :
Right. And then you listen to the student. who’s trying to take on Charlie Kirk, and here he is backing up the people. Oh, no, no, no, I’m playing it even. Both sides are guilty. Don’t give me that. No, both sides are not guilty, okay? He’s trying to play it like that, and Charlie Kirk’s got to be looking at him like, and knowing, Charlie Kirk knows in his heart as he’s listening to this guy, you want the Jews slaughtered off the face of the planet.
SPEAKER 15 :
Yep. And let me ask you a question. The last three clips we played, the Charlie Kirk, the Marco Rubio clip, And the Chris Wright clip. You know, I’m an avid watcher of the news. I’m up at 5 o’clock in the morning. I watch the national news, and then I watch the local news. I do that in the morning. And then in the evening, I watch the national news and the local news. So I’m watching four news shows a day. I watch 60 Minutes on Sundays. So, you know, 14 plus – I’m watching 15 news programs a week. I’ve never heard any of those things on the network news. Why do you think that is, Nandy?
SPEAKER 16 :
Because they, too, want the Jews wiped off the face of the planet. Well, I know we’re talking about more than the Jewish issue here. We’re talking about all this. Because the networks are all an activist agenda. They’re all part of it.
SPEAKER 15 :
Right. And that’s why, by the way, on my podcast, I call it news in perspective you won’t hear on TV. Because virtually, I don’t talk about things that have been beaten to death. You know, I don’t talk about the Trump tariffs, you know, because it’s all over the place. I talk about things like this that you’ll never hear about, but you should hear about.
SPEAKER 16 :
Actually, my favorite stuff of yours is your tax stuff. I know that sounds boring to other people, but to me, your tax stuff is brilliant. Really quick here, how do people hear you?
SPEAKER 15 :
How do they reach you? If you go on any of the major podcast platforms, Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Just do a search for Jersey Joe, and it’s Jersey spelled J-E-R as in Robert, Z as in zebra, E-E. J-E-R-Z-E-E, Jersey Joe. And you’ll find my – it’s a once-a-week podcast. It’s 30 minutes, and you can get it at any major podcast platform. If you want to go right to the website, you can listen to it on the website and back episodes. It’s JerseyJoe.com. Just remember to spell Jersey with an R, a Z, and two Es. And if you want to be put on my weekly distribution list, when we do our podcast, which I recorded this week’s podcast tonight – It’ll publish tomorrow morning. If you want to get it via email in your inbox, just send me an email to joe at jerseyjoe.com and request to be put on our distribution list. And I will send you a link to our weekly podcast every Wednesday morning.
SPEAKER 16 :
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SPEAKER 09 :
It’s time to leave your safe space. This is Rush to Reason on KLZ 560.
SPEAKER 16 :
And welcome back to Rush to Reason, Denver’s afternoon rush, KLZ 560. Andy Pate filling in for John Rush, who will be back tomorrow. And on the line right now, we’ve got Jersey Joe. Joe, what else you got?
SPEAKER 15 :
We only got a couple minutes, but let me talk about scary behavior by some of these new AI models. Now, A year ago, the first one was ChatGPT. Everybody thought that was the first big AI model. And now there’s four or five. You know, Elon Musk got Grok and Bill Gates. You know, Microsoft has one. You know, there’s four or five. And they’re raising billions of dollars. And AI is artificial intelligence. These are thinking, you know, supposedly software programs that can think and get creative and be creative. Well… some people that were developing one, and they isolated it from the Internet, by the way, so it couldn’t access the Internet. It can only access data they fed it. And they did some tests to see how far this model would go to preserve itself, and what they found was scary. So the model literally resorted to blackmail and the generation of malicious software code in an effort to preserve its own existence. So what they did, they allowed the AI model to access documents that included fake proposals to shut it down and fake information about one of the developers having an extramarital affair. Well, in an effort to preserve its own existence, the model first threatened to make that developer’s alleged affair public. So it basically sent a private message, hey, if you don’t protect me, I’m going to let the whole world know about your extramarital affair. They tried to blackmail the developer. And then, this is really scary, and they said, we found instances of the model attempting to write self-propagating malicious worms, fabricating legal documentation, and leaving hidden notes to future instances of itself, all in an effort to undermine its developers’ intentions. How many… books and movies and science fiction stories have we seen? And I’m going to go all the way back to 2001, A Space Odyssey. Remember Hal and Dave said, open the doors? And Hal said, sorry, Dave, I can’t do that. Yeah. And then you had the Terminator movies where the Skynet became Skynet. This has been, so now we have, we’ve gone from science fiction to models actually starting to do this on their own, fight, you know, to do things to preserve their own existence. And how scary is that?
SPEAKER 16 :
That’s pretty scary. Or they might run for Congress. They might run for Congress. I’m just telling you it’s possible, Joe. I mean, they seem to have the goods.
SPEAKER 15 :
All right. Hey, we probably have, what, a minute left? Yeah. My quote of the week, our old friend, economist Thomas Sowell, on the reaction of people who have been receiving preferential treatment in the past and then have suddenly had that preferential treatment removed. And here’s this quote, when people get used to preferential treatment and then they are suddenly treated as equal, that seems to them like discrimination.
SPEAKER 16 :
That is really good.
SPEAKER 15 :
That is really good. We’re so used to having preferential. Now you’re being treated the same as everybody else. And the first thing you scream is discrimination. We’re being discriminated against because they took something away from us that we used to have.
SPEAKER 16 :
Oh, that’s fantastic. Hey, let me ask you something because we’ve got about 45 seconds here.
SPEAKER 1 :
2028.
SPEAKER 16 :
I think it’s going to be Vance Rubio, and I think they’re going to be unstoppable. What do you think?
SPEAKER 15 :
I think you’re 100%. Well, I think you’re correct, and I hope you’re correct because I think— We never know for sure.
SPEAKER 16 :
Things can happen, but—
SPEAKER 15 :
Well, unless the economy goes in the toilet, and remember, James Carb was the economy stupid. But, you know, if the things that Trump has done with the tariffs work out and employment stays good and we’re not in a recession and inflation is under control, I think it’s a slam dunk. In fact, I hope by the midterms, which are only, what, 18 months away?
SPEAKER 16 :
Right.
SPEAKER 15 :
You know, I hope we get all this, you know, inflation and tariff and free trade stuff done. that we gain even more seats in the House and more seats in the Senate. And again, we’ve only got between now, if we lose the Senate, God forbid, then we’re going to lose two Supreme Court justices, I think, by the end of next term.
SPEAKER 16 :
Well, I think, honestly, I think the odds of losing the Senate are 10%. Right. I don’t think we’ll expand, but I don’t think we’ll lose at the House. I don’t know. All right. That’s Jersey Joe. Joe, I got to let you go. Thanks, sir. All right. Thanks, Andy. I’ll talk to you. Bye-bye. You bet. Folks, that is it for today. Hour One replays next. John Rush is back tomorrow. We’re all looking forward to him for Health and Wellness Wednesday. Until then, drive safe, God bless, and thanks for joining us at Rush to Reason, KLZ 560.
Meet the AI That Tried to Blackmail Its Maker
Andy Peth fills in on Rush to Reason with Jersey Joe for a fast-moving hour of political clarity and cultural smackdowns. From a laugh-out-loud “Am I Old?” test to a fiery critique of the Biden military ads, they dig into why America’s recruitment turnaround came from strength—not sensitivity. Joe unloads on Biden’s $93B last-minute green energy cash dump, Rubio obliterates a Senate heckler, and Charlie Kirk dismantles anti-Israel propaganda at Cambridge. Also: AI models writing blackmail and planning their own survival? Oh yes, it’s all here.
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