As the debate around transgender legislation intensifies, John Rush and Tyler O’Neill tackle the critical elements of the Kelly Loving Act. Through a candid discussion, they address the ideological shifts in politics and the prevalent influence of organizations such as the Southern Poverty Law Center on mainstream narratives. Tune in to understand the broader societal impacts of such laws and how they reflect on our current cultural and political landscapes.
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All right, welcome back. Hour number three, Rush to Reason, Denver’s Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560. Appreciate you all joining us. Tyler O’Neill joining us now from Daily Signal. Tyler, welcome. How are you?
SPEAKER 17 :
Hey, doing well. Great to join you.
SPEAKER 19 :
Always a joy having you. It’s been a little bit since we have. And of course, here in Colorado, we have a unfortunately too many things going on, especially in regards to the House bill, which I believe I got to double check, Tyler. I believe it passed fully today. They’ve made some revisions to it, but that was the bill 25, 13, 12, known as the Kelly Loving Act, which, by the way, is about as far from that as you’ll get.
SPEAKER 17 :
Yeah. Yeah. About as far. And and, you know, multiple times we’ve seen this bill effectively rewritten in the middle of the night because the Democrats know that it’s unpopular. And yet they continue to push it. So, yeah, I mean, I grew up in Colorado. You know, I went to Devlin and it’s it’s really sad to see what has happened to my beloved centennial state. But, you know, I think I think we have to remember, you know, A lot of conservatives write off states like California, like Colorado is unfortunately going. But there are so many good, hardworking Americans there and, you know, Coloradans who don’t want this nonsense. And so I think it’s really important for all of us to remember, you know, we’re we’re not in this for just for conservatives. You know, I’m in the D.C. area now covering things nationally. But I think it’s really important for everyone to remember that, you know, people in Colorado are not all insane. And parents do care about their children and don’t want the government to say that if you quote-unquote misgender people, you should be denied your parental rights. I mean, it’s flatly absurd.
SPEAKER 19 :
I agree. And for those of you maybe that have… I guess you’d be in a cave at this point, Tyler, because this thing has been literally all over the news, not just locally, but nationally as well. But it’s essentially… A law, it did pass. Governor has to sign it. We’ll see exactly what happens in that regard. But it’s called the Kelly Loving Act. But basically, in a nutshell, Tyler, it’s a bill or it’s a law, if it gets signed into, that basically makes it illegal, makes it criminal for you, a parent even, to misgender a child. There’s a lot more to it than that, I know, but that’s the synopsis of, correct? Correct.
SPEAKER 17 :
Yeah, and there are some other provisions, too, that really leave you scratching your head. One of the big, big stories of this bill is that it changes your – and I haven’t even seen the exact final version, so I’m not entirely sure if it still does this. But it was changing the laws about your birth certificates and your driver’s licenses. I remember when I was 16, I got my driver’s license in Colorado. Now, according to the version of the bill that I last looked at, you can change your gender identity three times before getting a court order, which is just insane. I mean, if you’re talking about doing background checks on people, if you’re talking about trying to maintain public safety, the idea that you can change your sex and, you know, ostensibly your name along with it multiple times without a court order is just insane. But this is the way that they’re pushing this ideology, and they’ve repeatedly said, and this is, you know, I’ve been covering nationally. There’s this organization called the Southern Poverty Law Center.
SPEAKER 19 :
Yes, yes.
SPEAKER 17 :
Which is the worst of the worst.
SPEAKER 19 :
They are.
SPEAKER 17 :
And we saw a Colorado, you know, a member of the Colorado House. not only compare parents’ rights groups to the Ku Klux Klan, but then double down on it, specifically citing the Southern Poverty Law Center. And I wrote a book called Making Hate Pay the Corruption of the Southern Poverty Law Center, explaining why you can’t trust this group at all, especially when it comes to their hate labels. And I just see the left, you know, the Biden administration welcomed the SPLC with open arms. But this is an organization that brands conservative, mainstream conservative and Christian groups, hate groups, puts them on a map with the Klan, and essentially is trying to silence any opponents of their radical agenda. And you see Democrats citing them all over the place. You see this law changed in the middle of the night. I mean, the fact that Governor Polis is likely to sign this law is is absurd to me, but we will see, and I, yeah, I can’t believe what they’ve done with this legislation.
SPEAKER 19 :
We had one legislator that was a Democrat that was in favor of this that literally said something, I’m paraphrasing Tyler, but I’m not too far off, that basically said something to the effect of Jesus Christ being transgender himself, and I’m not exaggerating when I say that.
SPEAKER 17 :
Oh, it was extremely offensive. So this was a Democrat. He came up and said, you know, he was citing the movie Talladega Night and saying, oh, these people have different versions of Jesus that they like best. And he was responding to a constituent who wrote a very, you know, I think very important and hopefully, you know, an email that would wake this legislator up saying, you know, I can’t lose custody of my children. I have to answer to Almighty God on Judgment Day. And this guy was essentially mocking the very idea of answering to God on Judgment Day. And then he said, you know, how do you know that for me, Jesus isn’t a trans Jesus? You know, some people like baby Jesus, my Jesus is trans Jesus that I’m going to be talking to on Judgment Day. And It was just the most offensive, and you could see the smile on his face as he said it. Like, this was not—he’s not being serious.
SPEAKER 19 :
Oh, no.
SPEAKER 17 :
And we all know it.
SPEAKER 19 :
Oh, no. No, yeah, this is—these are very demented, corrupt, evil individuals, Tyler. I have no other way to say it.
SPEAKER 17 :
It’s— It’s hard for me to come to a different conclusion. You know, and I try to give people the benefit of the doubt, but when you’re citing the SPLC to smear your political opponents and then you’re mocking people of faith by referencing a transgender Jesus, I’m… I mean, those things are beyond the pale, in my opinion.
SPEAKER 19 :
Well, and we had some of the main sponsors of the bill basically talking about how, again, I’m paraphrasing. I don’t have the exact quotes in front of me. I guess I should have looked it up, but it doesn’t matter. At the end of the day, Tyler, I mean, you know, anybody can go look this stuff up, but we had main sponsors of the bill basically talking about how This is essentially now going to put into law what they’ve already wanted to do in making their house a safe haven for these types of individuals, these types of kids. In other words, if these kids can get away from their parents that would be against them transitioning, then this will be a safe haven. They’re welcome to come to their house. And that’s why they got this bill going in the first place.
SPEAKER 17 :
Yeah, I mean, it’s. It’s disgusting because what we’re seeing here, you know, and all these people, they act as though this is compassionate. But there are so many like I’ve I’ve met people like Chloe Cole who went through this, who were convinced that Chloe Cole is a woman who is convinced that she could become a man. So she removed her. She removed her breast. and she was undergoing some other so-called treatments. These are Frankensteinian interventions. I mean, if you look at anything regarding the woman who’s known, or no, it’s a biological man who’s known as Jazz Jennings, and there’s this really horrible interview where the mother of Jazz Jennings is describing the sort of thing that Jazz Jennings has to do to keep his false female organ in good shape. And it’s appalling the idea that you would ever consider this affirmative or care. It’s the most Orwellian thing in the world. And I pray to God that as a country we wake up to this, because it should not be a partisan issue. Like, I can disagree with Democrats until the end of time, but I don’t think that we should be debating as a partisan issue whether or not people should be shooting themselves up with hormones to look like the opposite sex to remove their body parts. Like, this is beyond the pale.
SPEAKER 19 :
So Faith Winter, who’s one of the senator main sponsors of this bill. And by the way, I’ll say it straight up, Tyler. I have no issues with this. I have been railing against Faith ever since she was on city council in one of our local cities of Westminster here, which you would know where that’s at. So the reality is I have been against Faith for a very, very long time. Faith, in my opinion. is one of the most evil women on the face of the planet, and I will say that fully. I have no problems. I’m not going to apologize that. She literally said that this bill is her crash couch for Colorado, meaning that she houses trans kids who run away.
SPEAKER 17 :
Oh, my gosh.
SPEAKER 19 :
Yeah, that’s Faith Winter. That’s our senator, Faith Winter. Faith is a despicable human being, period. I have no problem saying that, Tyler. She has done so much harm to the state of Colorado, not only in things like this, but taking away our Second Amendment rights and so on. She is a very evil, vile person.
SPEAKER 17 :
If she is at all abetting this insanity and helping people escape their parents who would tell them the truth and then getting them down this road. I mean, there are very few things that I would actually deign to describe as evil. I try to give people the benefit of the doubt as much as possible. But if you are abetting, you know, violating parental rights in order to name and perpetually injure these people in the name of gender identity, which is a false religion. Like, yeah, there is no way that your motives are pure in that sort of situation.
SPEAKER 19 :
Well, they’re not, because Tyler and I talked about this to some extreme, or to some extent yesterday, I should say. Actually, I’m very extreme in my feelings when it comes to the whole transgender end of things, because I feel like it’s three parts. It’s very much a spiritual issue for a lot of these individuals, and I’ll explain. It’s also very much a mental issue, I think, for a lot of these individuals that want to change their sex. And I also feel like it’s a Marxist thing. it’s a part of the Marxist movement, because essentially when you say that, listen, I’m in the wrong body, God made a mistake, he made me wrong, and I’m going to fix it, you’ve now replaced him in your life by saying, I’m going to do what I want to do, God, not what you wanted me to do in the first place. So yes, I can say that Faith Winter, Senator Faith Winter, is very evil because she’s aiding and abetting people that want to replace God in their lives.
SPEAKER 17 :
Yeah, well, and that wanted… embrace a lie and ruin their lives in pursuit of it. I mean, it’s just the idea that you are fighting for this insanity, and yeah, and it’s hard for me because, you know, I grew up in Colorado. I never want to give up on any state in the union on these sort of things, and it really hurts when I see the state where I grew up going down this path, and It’s the fact that we have to debate this issue. And, you know, back 10 years ago, I was raising this issue. You can follow my writing on it back when there was a transgender dragon lady. And I was saying, like, look, we have Caitlyn Jenner. Look, we have people who are saying you have to embrace this. And this is an alternate religion. I mean, it’s really a bastardized version of, you know, old Gnosticism, if you study Church history. And we cannot have the government endorse this insanity. It harms people, it preaches something entirely false, and it definitely violates the First Amendment by effectively having an establishment of religions. But I know there’s a good debate on the right as to whether or not we should say so, because we don’t want them to have religious freedom protections in order to harm children. But this is a worldview that is extremely noxious and has horrible repercussions. And we have to call it out for what it is.
SPEAKER 19 :
You’re right. Well, Tyler, I can hear in your voice how near and dear this is to you. I appreciate your love for our state still. I know you still have a phone number that has our area code. So I appreciate you greatly. And you like me. I’m a native of this state, as you know. And I’m not giving up on it either. And it’s still very near and dear to me. And I’m going to call things out just like you are. and collectively will continue to bring awareness. And I mean, at this point, all of you listening, you can send letters and emails and even phone calls into the governor’s office. He can not sign this, veto it, basically. If he doesn’t sign it, eventually will become law either way. But you can call and tell him to veto this. And the fact of the matter, Tyler, is now we’re so late in session that I believe even is session over, Charlie? I believe session is now over. I If he doesn’t, if he vetoes this, it’s a done deal. So he could wipe this out. Unfortunately, Tyler, knowing him, knowing his background, I don’t see that happening.
SPEAKER 17 :
No, I mean, I think and this is a trend we’re seeing with Democrats across the country where, you know, if. if a Democrat can present himself or herself as being, you know, middle of the road. And in this case, I mean, as you noted, he doesn’t even have to necessarily sign it.
SPEAKER 19 :
No, he lets it on his desk for 30 days, and I believe it’s 30 days it becomes law anyways.
SPEAKER 17 :
Yeah. So, you know, there are so few Democrats who have spines. Many of them are looking at 2028. And I would be surprised if Jared Polis was not also looking at 2028. And he’s probably trying to position himself as some sort of moderate because that’s what they always do. I don’t trust them. I’ve been watching as Gavin Newsom, you know, the least moderate. Well, I don’t know if he’s the least moderate. I have to look at voting records or, you know, signing records. Right. He’s one of the least moderate governors in the country, and yet he’s positioning himself as some sort of moderate because he’ll interview people like Charlie Kirk. I’m like, no, nobody should trust these governors an inch. And I know Jared Polis is not the worst of the worst. On COVID, he wasn’t entirely horrible, which is kind of saying something compared to people like Gretchen Whitmer.
SPEAKER 03 :
True.
SPEAKER 17 :
But all these people are gunning for 2028. And we can’t let them get away with positioning themselves in a way that says they care for the Americans who disagree because so many of them are dead set on all of these agendas. Woke is in their bloodstream. And, you know, in his case, I think it’s very clear. In Gavin Newsom’s case, it’s even clearer. But, you know, we have to pay attention, and I’m so glad for your voice and for others in Colorado who are constantly calling out what he’s working on. I pray that they’ll govern like they understand that there are. people who disagree with them. But at the end of the day, I don’t trust them.
SPEAKER 19 :
I don’t either. Well, I appreciate you being with us today, Tyler. Appreciate your love for our state still. And as I always say, you’re welcome anytime. But I really do appreciate what you guys are doing. Daily Signal, those of you listening, go check it out. Tyler, as always, thanks for all that you guys are doing.
SPEAKER 17 :
Thanks so much again for having me.
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All right, we are back. Charlie and I are having a discussion on Pope Leo. I believe it’s the 16th because it’s an X and an I and a V. So I think that’s 10 and the IV is 4. So isn’t that 14, Charlie? I don’t know Roman numerals. I’m a dummy, so you guys already know that. I don’t have the IQ others have, so no idea. Look it up. Frankly, don’t – I’m sorry. And this is – I’m not trying to be mean or rude or anything like that, but I don’t care. It’s a new pope. Pope Leo. First U.S. pope. U.S. as in born in the U.S. I think he spent a lot of time in Peru and other places, but he was born in Chicago. So, quote, unquote, the first U.S. pope. Folks, I’ll just be straight up honest. John from Cheyenne knows far more about this than I do because he is Catholic. I am not. I have spent very little time around Catholics, to be real honest with you. I didn’t grow up in any kind of a Catholic upbringing and didn’t hang around a lot of Catholics and so on. So I know very little other than what I have studied when it comes to Catholicism and all of the ins and outs of not in my wheelhouse. And I’ll just be straight up honest, I’m sorry, it doesn’t interest me. Just like some makes and models of cars don’t interest me. Catholicism in general, it doesn’t do anything for me. So those of you that are, that’s great. God love you. More power to you. I grew up in too much of a legalistic atmosphere when I was a kid. I’m not adding anything to it now. Let’s just say it that way. It’s probably why I’m not really big into Catholicism and a lot of that because too many steps, too many rituals, too many this, too many that. Yeah, too many Hail Marys, whatever. Yeah, I’m not into it. Not doing it. Sorry. Just not in my wheelhouse. Some of you probably are laughing right now that are Catholics because I have no idea what I’m even talking about. Or I offended him, one of the two. Well, I don’t mean to offend you. I am trying to make light of things and so on. And I get it. It’s serious. You have a new pope and all of that. I’ve never understood the whole papal end of things and what he gets to communicate and say and do and so on. It’s just not me. And, again… more power to you if you are. It’s just not in my wheelhouse, which is fine. So, Joe, maybe you can straighten me out on the papacy.
SPEAKER 10 :
Oh, it is the 14th, yes.
SPEAKER 19 :
Okay, 14th. There we go. I thought that was right.
SPEAKER 10 :
And by the way, he went to school in Villanova here in the Philadelphia area.
SPEAKER 19 :
Okay.
SPEAKER 10 :
And he’ll probably come back and visit, because Villanova was founded by the order that he’s from. Within the Catholic Church, you’ve got the Jesuits and the Franciscans and whatever.
SPEAKER 19 :
No, I have no idea, so that’s something you’ll have to teach me and others, because I haven’t the foggiest idea what you mean by that.
SPEAKER 10 :
It’s kind of like different sects within the Catholic Church.
SPEAKER 19 :
Got it. Sex as in S-E-C-T-S, not S-E-X, right? Right, right. Got it, got it, okay.
SPEAKER 10 :
All right. Just reading my call was about tipping. Now, John, when somebody, you know, goes above and beyond and makes your life easier for you, do you think they deserve a tip? Absolutely. When was the last time you tipped, Charlie?
SPEAKER 19 :
Oh, all the time. Actually, Charlie just said, actually, I do. And I don’t want to make that public. But, yes, I try to honor Charlie as much as I can.
SPEAKER 10 :
Okay. I was going to say, if anybody deserves a tip for making your life easier… He deserves it. Absolutely. He deserves it.
SPEAKER 19 :
Absolutely, he does.
SPEAKER 10 :
That was a reason I called.
SPEAKER 19 :
Hey, are you going to try to… Okay, no, really quick, but since we’re on that, and you called and had a few other text messages and so on on that, is there anything you don’t tip for, even if service is great?
SPEAKER 10 :
Um… Well, you know, one of the places I go to pick up takeout once a week, when you go to slide your card to pay for the takeout, there’s actually a screen comes up, you know, how much would you like to tip? And you have to hit no tip. You know, it’s kind of intimidating that you have to hit no tip. So, you know, it’s a carryout order. You know, you put it in a bag for me.
SPEAKER 19 :
Yeah. I’m with you on that one. You didn’t do anything. Sorry. I mean, you really didn’t do anything.
SPEAKER 10 :
Yeah, it’s no different. I mean, you know, the cook cooked it, and you put it in the bag, and you’re ringing, and actually I’m ringing myself up because I put my card in. Right, you’re doing everything. Here’s your total. So, you know, but if somebody, you know, brings me a food, takes my order, you know, yes, I’m going to tip. Now, here’s an interesting thing. Buffet, if, do you think it’s, you know, it’s one thing if they take your order, they write it all down, they get it right, you know, you want, What kind of dressing do you want on your salad and this and that? But when you go to a buffet, John, do you think 20% is appropriate on a buffet where you picked your own food and you served yourself?
SPEAKER 19 :
No. No, in fact, that’s one of those areas, John. I’m glad you brought that up because I look at buffets and that end of things as, you know, I’ll probably leave a little bit of a tip because folks have to come by, clean up, do some things along those lines. The busboys and stuff are probably sharing some of those tips. But is it a full 20%? No, because you didn’t do the same thing you would have otherwise. Filling my water glass isn’t the same as everything else you would normally do.
SPEAKER 10 :
Right, and so to answer your original question, John, that’s one place where I won’t leave a 20% tip at a buffet.
SPEAKER 19 :
Yeah, and Joe, I’m very much the same with you in that regard because, again, I mean, I want to reward people that have gone the extra mile, have earned it, and no, in a buffet where they’re just running around, you know, honestly filling up not even all drinks, usually just water is about all. They’re maybe bringing you some extra silverware or something along those lines. Outside of that, they’re not doing anything.
SPEAKER 10 :
Yeah, and same thing. In McDonald’s, you know, particularly if you’re clearing your own table, You may sit down at a McDonald’s, but you’re not going to tip at a McDonald’s because they didn’t even – well, maybe somebody comes by once every hour and wipes off all the tables with a wet rag. But I’m not going to tip at a Burger King or McDonald’s.
SPEAKER 19 :
Well, yeah, that one especially I’m not. And that even includes some of the folks where you put your order in, you go wait by the curb, they bring it out. I’m not tipping there either, Joe, because I just kind of look at that as that’s a part of the service that McDonald’s is offering. I’m probably saving them some time and money by not going through the drive-thru when it’s all said and done. So it is what it is.
SPEAKER 10 :
By the way, I want to kind of veer off just a little tiny bit. There’s this whole thing about Well, the Republicans haven’t raised the minimum wage in 16 years.
SPEAKER 19 :
Nor do they have to.
SPEAKER 10 :
By the way, Thomas Sowell said the real minimum wage is zero. I think the whole concept of a federal minimum wage is a relic, and let me tell you why. If you check the Bureau of Labor Statistics, less than 3% of the people in this country work for that $7.25 an hour. That’s right. And the overwhelming vast majority who do work in tip positions. cab drivers, cocktail waitresses, casino dealers, waiters. Some of these waiters, like down in, what’s the Double Eagle Steakhouse down there off Arapahoe?
SPEAKER 19 :
Oh, yeah, yeah, the big one.
SPEAKER 10 :
The big one in Elways and the rest of them. John, I know some of these people, they’re knocking down $300 a night. When you go to one of those places, you’re looking at $100 to $120 a head without tip. And if they’re doing four tables times three turns a night, John, even if they have to give 10% to the bartender and whatnot, John, they’re still taking – they would work for free just for the tips. I mean, if you’re knocking down $300 a night, that’s $1,500 a week. And you know, by the way, on their tax return, they’re not reporting $1,500 a week on their tax return.
SPEAKER 04 :
Right.
SPEAKER 10 :
Cocktail waitresses, you know, I’ve got a niece was a cocktail waitress in a casino in Atlantic City. She told me on a Friday night she could make almost $1,000, you know, serving cocktails. You know, so to me, the entire concept of a single federal minimum wage for the entire United States is just a relic whose time has gone by. And that, you know, I think states and cities need to set their own, just like Colorado has done. And does Denver have a separate minimum wage than the state does?
SPEAKER 19 :
I think the city does, yes, outside of the state. I believe you are correct. I’d have to double-check that. And, again, in my – some people would say, well, geez, John, why don’t you know that? You’re an employer. Because everything I do, Joe, is so far above any of those, it doesn’t matter anyways, to your point.
SPEAKER 10 :
Right. So I’m sorry to veer away from tips to minimum wage.
SPEAKER 19 :
No, you’re fine, because it all coincides with one another.
SPEAKER 10 :
Yeah. So – and, again, so I just think – You know, because it’s just something for liberals and Democrats to hang their hat on and make us look bad. I think the entire concept, we should abolish the federal minimum wage. Agree. And leave it all up to the free market.
SPEAKER 19 :
I mean, even now, Joe, again, very, very, to your point, very, very, very few people work for minimum wage anywhere, period.
SPEAKER 10 :
By the way, the McDonald’s, the Walmart about four miles from my house, they’ve had a sandwich board in the lobby, and I could send you a picture of it. $17.50 an hour full-time with benefits for shelf stockers. John, it’s putting soup cans on a shelf. $17.50 an hour, 401k, employer subsidized health plan to put soup cans on a shelf. If you’re working for $7.50 an hour and it’s not a tip position, I want to know where did you go wrong in your life? Because… I can’t imagine where an employer could find somebody to work for $7.50 an hour that had any skills whatsoever.
SPEAKER 03 :
Right. Agreed.
SPEAKER 10 :
And did you see the story about how high school grads are getting $70,000? Excuse me, juniors in high school are getting $70,000 job offers?
SPEAKER 19 :
I did not see that. No, I have not. No.
SPEAKER 10 :
I sent it to you about a couple of hours ago. Okay. In the trades, there’s such a shortage of electricians, plumbers, welders, automotive techs, that contractors are going to high schools that have shop classes, and they’re running career days, and they’re extending to juniors in high school job offers for when they graduate a year from now to go to work for them, $70,000 a year. And, oh, by the way, if you want to work as an apprentice with us this summer, you’re more than welcome to work this summer.
SPEAKER 19 :
Good for them, Joe. Good for them.
SPEAKER 10 :
But, John, this was in the Wall Street Journal. Now, the Wall Street Journal was behind a paywall, so I think the Daily Wire carried a reprint of it. And it goes on and on and on. This is not an isolated one-off. You know how bad it is in the trades. And I know in HVAC it’s been a chronic for years. So the point is, you don’t need to go to college. You can make $70,000 a year right out of high school.
SPEAKER 19 :
With no debt. Debt-free.
SPEAKER 10 :
Zero debt. No debt. No debt. And in a couple of years, you’ll be making $180,000.
SPEAKER 19 :
So, Joe, I mean, just to be real here, and there’s a lot of folks listening, some of these folks may have kids or grandkids or whatever. Why are more kids not going this direction? You know, what’s the catch?
SPEAKER 10 :
I think the pressure was looked down on, oh, you’re not going to college. You must not be smart enough. I think it was a peer pressure thing. everybody’s like, oh, I’m going here, I’m going there.
SPEAKER 19 :
By the way, I ask that sort of rhetorically because I believe you’re correct. I think also my opinion is I think parents have a lot to do with that as well because I think in a lot of cases parents, much like the whole transgender movement, Parents are out there running around saying, well, my kid goes here or my kid did that or my kid’s getting this education. And it’s sort of this, you know, feather in the cap of mom and dad, where if the mom and dad say, you know, my kid’s going to be a welder, my kid’s going to be an auto tech, my kid’s going to be a plumber. You know, others might look down on that and the parents get upset. They get their feelings hurt.
SPEAKER 10 :
Well, I think that I don’t think the parents I think the parents would get like if the parents went to college or themselves. And their child, they look down on the trades. So if Johnny says to mom and dad, mom and dad, I think I want to be a diesel engine tech. Oh, no, you can’t do that. You know, you’re better than that. Why would you want to do that? Why do you want to do that? You should go to college like Mom and Dad did. Look at your father. Look at the job your dad’s got. He doesn’t get his hands dirty every day.
SPEAKER 19 :
Correct. And by the way, I think even some that were in the trades, I used to hear some of this when I was a kid. Those that were even in the trades would say, you don’t want to do what I’ve done all my life. Why don’t you go to college and get a better job than I have? Well, those times have changed, and the reality is that particular kid, to your point in this article I’m reading in the Wall Street Journal right now, The reality is those kids are coming out making a lot more money and will over the course of their career than their counterparts going to college.
SPEAKER 10 :
Yeah, and it’s crazy, John. I think the minimum, if you go to a, you know, even no-name schools these days, you’re going to come out with close to $100,000 worth of debt. If you go to a name school…
SPEAKER 19 :
Oh, it’s double that.
SPEAKER 10 :
You’re going to come out with $250,000.
SPEAKER 19 :
Yeah, I was going to say double plus. I mean, right now, I think, Joe, I don’t think you’re far off, because I think just going to even some local colleges and doing what you could to even take some things online and so on, yeah, I think you’re an easy $20,000, $25,000 a year.
SPEAKER 10 :
I know that for a fact, John, because I helped my granddaughter. She was looking at colleges, and we were looking at various tuitions. John, colleges I never heard of.
SPEAKER 03 :
Right.
SPEAKER 10 :
And by the way, If you go in-state, it’s $20. If you want to go out-of-state and room and board, make it $26.
SPEAKER 19 :
That’s right. Yeah, I don’t think, Joe, you can do much. It used to be you could get a decent annual college tuition, what I’m trying to say, decent tuition in-state. You used to be able to do that for anywhere from $10,000 to $15,000. It’s a minimum $20,000 up now.
SPEAKER 10 :
Tony, and in terms of how much debt, John, when I graduated from college, and I won’t tell you, it was back in the 70s, but my, now, yeah, I had a few little scholarships and I worked every summer, but my first year college debt was equal to just more than my first year’s salary. People are graduating now, John, where they’re student loan debt is four or five times their salary. Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER 19 :
Some of these people, as we’re learning, some of these people, by the time you tack on the interest on that, because they don’t read the fine print to even know what that interest is, and some of them don’t even know how interest works, I’m sad to say, at the end of the day, Joe, some of these folks, I’m not sure they will ever get those paid off.
SPEAKER 10 :
Yeah, and that’s, and there’s a difference, by the way, between going to a a highly regarded school versus a no-name school. And I can give this because I graduated from an engineering school here in New Jersey. It’s the MIT of New Jersey. It’s always, other than students who elect to go on to get a master’s degree, it’s virtually 100% employment before they graduate. You know, there’s college recruiters. You know, the average starting salary for these young adults coming out of that engineering school is in the $75,000, $76,000 a year range, which, by the way, is not much more than these high school kids who are coming out of school at a shop class as well they’re making. But at least they’re going to be able to. And they’re coming out with around $250,000 worth of debt. So their debt is about three times, three and a half times their starting salary. But if you go to some school you never heard of and you’ve got $250,000 of debt, You’re going to be making $45,000, $50,000. I think I told you the story. There’s a Starbucks on Peoria by the airport. I told you, you know, 13 of the 17 people who work there are college graduates.
SPEAKER 19 :
Right, right.
SPEAKER 10 :
And they’re working as baristas in Starbucks.
SPEAKER 19 :
Unreal. Unreal. Unreal.
SPEAKER 10 :
They’ll never pay that debt.
SPEAKER 19 :
Nope, they’ll never pay it, Joe. Joe Mann, as always, I appreciate you very much.
SPEAKER 10 :
You’re welcome, John. You bet, man.
SPEAKER 19 :
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SPEAKER 19 :
All right, we are back. I’m going to get my catechism class now from John and Cheyenne. Go ahead, John.
SPEAKER 07 :
Okay, so in the Catholic Church, we were raised that the Pope is a holy person and as close to God as you can get. That’s the way they taught it. We believe, or I don’t, I left the Catholic Church because it very corrupt.
SPEAKER 19 :
Right, right, right. That’s okay, give me the synopsis, that’s fine, you’re doing well.
SPEAKER 07 :
Any large institution over two centuries will get corrupt.
SPEAKER 19 :
Correct.
SPEAKER 07 :
Okay, so they believe that Peter was the first pope of the Catholic Church.
SPEAKER 19 :
Ah, okay, I didn’t know that. Okay, thank you.
SPEAKER 07 :
St. Peter the Apostle.
SPEAKER 19 :
Okay.
SPEAKER 07 :
Yes.
SPEAKER 19 :
Yeah. And the line goes forward from Peter as… Upon this rock I will build my church, so they took that literally, and there he is. Then there he is, and he’s the first pope. Okay.
SPEAKER 07 :
So… In the beginning, the cardinals, which are the leaders of the church, would go into private meeting, doors locked, prayer. They would take rations in. Nobody could bring them food or anything else. And they would stay locked in a room until they decided, yes, over centuries that’s gotten better. But when the cardinals went in yesterday, they were supposed to go in, meet, and pray and debate for a divine sign. Does that make sense?
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah.
SPEAKER 07 :
That they’re going to receive a sign from the Lord on who to pick to lead his church next. Okay, gotcha. So that’s what happens. Now, yeah, that’s what happened until probably about the 7th century, and then, you know, there’s always local politics and everything else that are going to rear its ugly head. I mean, you go back, John Paul, which they canonized the saint, John Paul II, was a he was a good man. I mean, I can’t find anybody who would challenge him not being a good man. You know, he helped Poland get their freedom, and then he became Pope, and he was, you know. Then after that, they had Benedict, who was very conservative, and he was there for a while, and then he just didn’t want to do it anymore. He didn’t have it, so he kind of resigned. They called him Pope Emeritus, and he just lived in, you know, quiet peace until he passed. And they had Francis, and Francis was from Argentina. He was Argentinian. He was liberal. He was raised in a liberal, you know, social… Argentina’s fairly socialist. It’s getting more conservative now, but it had been since, you know, the Second World War. So the way they were raised is going to affect their beliefs. So they’re going to go… He’s going to lead the church in the way that he believes is right. Now, is he a Chicago liberal? Is he an Illinois conservative? Is he a Peruvian socialist? We don’t know yet. Nobody’s going to know. So that’s why they have this whole ritual. This ritual goes back thousands of years on how they choose the leader of the Catholic Church.
SPEAKER 19 :
Okay.
SPEAKER 07 :
And there’s a rumor out there. This is a conspiracy theory, but I think you’ll love it. The Roman Empire never fell. It became the Catholic Church.
SPEAKER 04 :
Okay.
SPEAKER 07 :
And look at how much money is under the Vatican.
SPEAKER 19 :
How much?
SPEAKER 07 :
More than most countries have. They’re figuring it’s somewhere in $500 to $600 billion that they have in everything, artwork, in all this donations, gold, all this stuff. Catholic Church is not poor.
SPEAKER 19 :
Well, and then, of course, they own a lot of land around the world, even here in the U.S. and so on. That I get. Yeah, I get that.
SPEAKER 07 :
And in most countries, it’s tax-exempt land. Right.
SPEAKER 19 :
Right. Sure.
SPEAKER 07 :
Just like ours. So a couple other things. I was outside working when I had the radio on in the background, so I was listening to you. Tipping. You were talking about a box of donuts, a cup of coffee, right? That’s why if it’s less than $20 I pay cash, then you don’t get the monitors.
SPEAKER 19 :
No, that’s true. They don’t get turned around on you. Very true.
SPEAKER 07 :
Right. So I’ll give you an example. There’s a really good donut shop in Cheyenne. She makes great cinnamon rolls. They’re kind of large. You should split one. with another person you know 250 right you go in i give her a five she gives me 250 back tip jar on the counter i throw the 50 cents in i think that’s fair okay um when it comes to uh like it used to be in the old days you took the bartender a dollar a drink i don’t know i i still do that but we’re not asking him to make us big fancy drinks my wife drinks red wine and i drink beer so A beer and a wine, I mean, he’s pouring a glass of wine and he’s drawing a beer out of the tap. He’s not, you know, making a drink with six whips. A dollar, you know, the bill comes out. Right, makes sense. I got it. An extra buck a drink. That was always the standard. Okay.
SPEAKER 19 :
Really quick, I got like 10 seconds. Sorry, John, we’re running out of time.
SPEAKER 07 :
Yeah. Will you tip a delivery guy if he’s bringing a sofa or something?
SPEAKER 19 :
Sure. Yeah, I would.
SPEAKER 07 :
And I have.
SPEAKER 19 :
Yes, I would. Yes.
SPEAKER 07 :
Yeah, that’s somebody who deserves it.
SPEAKER 19 :
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All right, that’s it for today. Tomorrow, movies. Andy will have Clown in a Cornfield and Fight or Flight. And then, of course, in honor of Mother’s Day, we’ll have movies or TV shows with moms. That’s it for tomorrow. Have a great night. Rush to Reason, Denver’s Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560.
