Join us as we unravel the drama between Candace Owens and Turning Point USA, exploring the intrigues of influence and political power. This episode sheds light on the complex relationships within the conservative movement, the monetary allure of sensationalism spearheaded by influencers, and the socioeconomic landscape influencing young people’s dissatisfaction. Discover the intricate web weaving today’s political and social narratives, and contemplate how public perception shapes and is shaped by these influential forces.
00:00:00 Democratic Party Priorities and Narco-Terrorism
00:07:57 Trump’s Strategy and Economic Developments
SPEAKER 01 :
Let’s be real, real here. Let’s get raw and real. Getting real with Mike. Scott Jennings points out, if you are one of the following, an illegal immigrant, a narco-terrorist, or anyone who’s not an American citizen, you are first in line in the Democratic Party. And Scott, you’re at the top of the line. And Scott says, I do not understand this as a strategy at all. It does get interesting to try to understand why they instinctively side with all of the lawlessness, with all the bad guys, the narco-terrorists. I mean, they’ve blown this story proverbially out of the water now that there was the double tap. Look, these guys were still viable enemies because they were trying to salvage the drug stash. Oh, of course. And they’re bad guys. They’re drug lords. They even identified one of them. The guy’s a notorious drug lord. So now the New York—well, who was it? It was the Washington Post that called out— Or is it the New York Times calling out the poster?
SPEAKER 02 :
There was some corroboration from both of them about the validity of the decision for the strike.
SPEAKER 01 :
But Martha Raddatz on ABC called it all out, saying, look, these guys were enemy combatants. And I love the image you posted of, you said, about Hegseth with the tie around his forehead. Let’s go, baby!
SPEAKER 02 :
That is Tyrus. That is Tyrus. Last night on Gutfeld, they had Ben Shapiro, and I love me some Tyrus. He’s just great. He said what everybody wants folks to believe is that Hegseth is in the Situation Room drunk on a beer with a tie around his head going, Yeah!
SPEAKER 01 :
Hit him again! Hit him again! Hit him harder! I mean, that’s wild. But why do you think that – because the Democrats have embraced this as a strategy. Of course. Whether we like it or not, the more left, the more progressive, the more radical the candidate, the better they have a chance of winning. I think they think they’ve tapped into something.
SPEAKER 02 :
Say again. Say again. That’s what they believe. They believe that the more. OK, gotcha. Well, in actuality, as with Afton Bain night before last, apparently that’s not true. So do we want to disabuse them of that notion?
SPEAKER 01 :
Not necessarily. But but of course, they’re making a counter argument that, you know, that Van Epp should have won by even a wider margin. I disagree with that. It was an off year. It was a special election on a random Tuesday in December. He won by nearly 10 points, but explain Zoran and explain the race Tuesday night in New Jersey. There was another one in Georgia. They are running with real radical progressives, Mark. And I do think it ties into something that is a very uncomfortable topic for me to try to cover with you, but I think we ought to cover it. If you’re on social media at all, you’re following, I’m sure, the Candace Owens, Charlie Kirk, Turning Point USA, you know, complete drama. It is a total epic drama. Turning Point evidently is inviting her now on their show, on their platform. Yeah.
SPEAKER 02 :
Can you back for folks? Because, listen, people keep in track of stuff. There are folks who are on every molecule every day and others who right now are going, huh? What? I know. Charlie Kirk is killed back on September 10th. At roughly the same time, Candace Owens, a magnificent voice for conservatism and clarity over the last few years, is in the process of losing her flippin’ mind, mostly on Israel stuff, but some other things, too. So Charlie dies. That tragedy kicks in. And Candace then starts this bizarre obsession with how Turning Point betrayed Charlie, how The imagery is that Erica and maybe other turning point people, quite frankly, might have had Charlie killed and then thrown in with all this other weird and then against the weird spinning out of orbit around Venus of Tucker Carlson. It’s just a weird world that you’re about to describe. And I’ll shut up and let you do that. But Candace lately has been throwing just little nitpicky things. I’m going to name names. She also thinks that Macron and the French government are trying to have her killed. She is a stone-cold lunatic. And I’ve always said there’s wisdom in knowing whom to ignore. I enjoy every day largely ignoring her. Turning Point ain’t ignoring her anymore. Go.
SPEAKER 01 :
Well, and I don’t think we ought to ignore the presence, and it’s not just Candace. You say she’s a lunatic. I would argue there’s a method to the madness. Do you know how much money she makes? Do you know how much money she’s making? There is a real industry here in peddling this kind of stuff. To a vast audience. Mark, she has a huge following. I know. And I saw last night somebody showed the receipts of what she supposedly earns. And because there are people that are paying her $99 a month, $150 a month, she’s got a paid subscription model. Mark, she ain’t crazy.
SPEAKER 02 :
Okay, well, number one, of course she is. But there’s an appetite for her craziness, so she’s also crazy. making some money. That doesn’t make her less loopy.
SPEAKER 01 :
I’m not in a position to judge her mental state. What I know is there’s a business model to this. You think she’s faking it?
SPEAKER 02 :
So what are you saying?
SPEAKER 01 :
All I know is there’s a significant business model for influencers who sort of peddle in this, you know, wild-eyed, crazy conspiracy stuff. And we’ve got to be aware of it. You know, I was listening to Chris. Chris DeGaulle went off on this this morning and Before you, I was listening to Chris for a few minutes, and he said, look, he has a theory that young people feel so disenchanted with the system. COVID took away their rights. They are buying into this narrative that nothing is affordable, which is bizarre. Wages are going up. Prices are going down.
SPEAKER 02 :
Rent has gotten a little more affordable in the last couple of months.
SPEAKER 01 :
Oh, my gosh. And wait until 2026 when the big, beautiful bill kicks in. Because the provisions of the big, beautiful bill, the no taxes on tips, the no tax on Social Security, all those provisions, they don’t kick in until January 1. So get ready for 2026. But we ignore this. Us boomers ignore this phenomenon. At our own peril. And I don’t think we ought to ignore it. And I don’t think we ought to dismiss it as one particular influencer is just kooky and she’s crazy and she’s this. Fair enough. I want to talk about the process of these influencers who are making a lot of money. And they are winning over hearts and minds, mostly young people, Mark. And we’ve got to be aware of that. We’ve got to have our eyes on that ball and figure out how to counter that. Now, like you said, I love your attitude about wisdom and knowing what to ignore. But I don’t think we should ignore it.
SPEAKER 02 :
By the same token, let’s not blind ourselves to a brush fire that may need some attention. It’s so funny you brought this up because, you know, Jim Garrity at The Examiner, wonderful writer. Here’s a little quote. He, around this time yesterday, posted an article about this. Here’s one paragraph from it. The majority of the young conservatives I encounter are severely disappointed at the abject failure of many in the movement who accepted disillusioned young men with no core moral or political beliefs, allowing them to join conservative groups and poison them with racism and sexism and conspiracy theories in an attempt to gain favor with a loud but small group of the alt-right. They have lost their moral compass. That’s exactly the phenomenon you’re talking about. It is happening. It dare not grow. I mean, if we’re going to get all worked up over trans issues when there’s only a tiny percentage of people who are doing this horrible stuff, the reason you pay attention to it is so that it doesn’t grow, so that it doesn’t become pervasive. This is kind of the same thing.
SPEAKER 01 :
I think it is. And it seems to be growing exponentially. Look, I know what the answer is. It’s success. It’s Trump’s motto. Trump’s mantra is nothing succeeds like success. We’ve got to win here. We’ve got to turn the economy around. Look, it’s happening. Gas prices are lowering. Grocery prices are coming down. In fact, ABC last night said grocery prices are surprisingly affordable. This whole narrative, you can look around at things that are expensive every day. Of course. But that’s why it’s such a shrewd strategy. Oh, blame Trump for the affordability crisis we have. Do we have an affordability crisis? No, we do not. Are there plenty of things that are still expensive? Sure, there always will be. But he’s got to try to make, and the government’s got to try to make it better where they can.
