Join us as we explore the fascinating world of NFL athleticism, where specialization reigns supreme. Hosts Richard and Andy provide insights into what makes an NFL athlete unique, examining the diversity of skills and the strategic importance of various positions. They also touch on the real-world parallels of these athletic roles, offering a fresh perspective on why players' unique talents are crucial to their teams' success.
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And we are live today. Good afternoon, Denver's Afternoon Rush, rest in reason. I am in for the John Rush, the John Rush, Andy. Yes, you are. I am Richard Rush's son. This is our annual NFL draft preview show. You're John Rush, the knockoff brand? I'm the, not even like the junior, you know, I'm like the, yeah, the knockoff, the Teemu version, Andy, right? You know, since we're terrorists and everything else.
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And I'm not even the B team. I'm like the... X or Y team. I'm not quite sure.
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You're like a B-plus team. Am I a B-plus? Yeah, because you fill in all the times. I'm like the C-team.
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I'm going to tell my wife that, honey. I'm a B-plus.
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Perfect. Exactly. You're an upgrade from the B-team. She's going to really look up to me now.
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That's right.
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Thank you. Obviously, that's Andy Pate with me today. Normally, we have Walt today, but Andy, he's got something like kids or something like that. Family! I just chose to ignore my kids today.
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Family! We're talking about the NFL draft, and this guy's caring about family, procreation, children, raising them, and all this kind of stuff. Look, if Walt's not going to be committed to the important things in life, what kind of an example is he providing?
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Andy, we may just have to replace him. We may just have to bring Charlie in here.
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I mean, his kids are going to be in gangs. What are they, three?
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Yeah, exactly. I mean, any day now. any day hey they're starting to be young these days i know but uh yeah so folks we are in here for our annual nfl draft preview we we sit here and uh i guess we take a break a good three hour break from the normal politics and and kind of world news and yes normally it's i think health and wellness wednesdays is usually what it is but this is health and wellness in my opinion uh these are some very very healthy people Very healthy people, and I think it's very healthy for us to have this discussion and this conversation and all those sorts of things personally.
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Speaking of health and wellness, I mean, it's really incredible. Most of us, you know, we work really hard to try to, you know, this time of year to cut that extra 10 pounds. Yeah, beach season. Eat a little better, do a little better, and so forth. And yet today we're going to be talking about people with 6% body fat who run for 340s and can do all these amazing things who are fit in a way that we could never even begin to comprehend.
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Not even imagine, Andy. That should be inspirational for the rest of us. It should be. And folks, when we're talking about this, it is... These guys really are specimens, right? Andy, you and I talked a little bit about Monday about the difference in athlete from the NFL to NHL to NBA to Major League Baseball. And they're all specific, right? There's a reason you've seen very rarely, which we're going to talk about this day, of course, multi-sport athletes. We're going to talk about some multi-position athletes today, namely one. But we're multi-sports athletes, right? Deion Sanders was one. Bo Jackson was one. There's been several others, right? It's a hard thing to do because I feel like, Andy, the body types are so diverse. It's so different among the leagues.
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Yeah, yeah. Well, when you take a look at obviously the NBA has the tall guys, right? Now they have short guys, too, but they have all the tall guys. You don't have any 6'10 hockey players or 6'10 football players or 6'10 baseball players. Why? They can't move fast enough. They're not quick enough. There's no way they can do it. The physics won't work. Right. When you look at the NFL, though. You've got guys who are 180 pounds who can run four threes, and they're 5'10", 180 pounds, and can run like the wind. And you've got guys who are 350 pounds, 6'4", 6'5", 350, who can move mountains. On the same field. Yeah, it's incredible. Yeah, and then you've got the guys who are in between, right, who are 230, 240, 250 and move in ways that we can't believe and do different kinds of things. You know, the linebackers, the running backs, and maybe some of the tight ends and so forth. So you've got the tweeners, and then you've got the monsters, and then you've got the lightning fast guys. And, oh, by the way, running all this, you have to have a cerebral quarterback.
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where the brain, the mind, and the quickness of his mind is the most important thing. And we'll hit on quarterbacks, right, Andy? That'll be obviously definitely something that we go to. The quarterback is, I think, the single, and we'll get to this here in a few segments, single most important position in sports. But like you said, kind of back to the athlete idea with this, It is crazy the athletes that are coming out today, right? And whether you want to argue this is the best era of sports or if previous eras, back into the 60s, 70s, 80s... Oh, every era has its greatness. They do, right? They have their own greatness and they do things... Just the sheer – it's everything, right, Andy? It's analytics. It's the training. It's the supplements that are around now, the science that is available to all of these kids, right? And even obviously full-grown adult males that are doing everything. I think I saw the other day C.D. Lamb, who's a receiver for the Dallas Cowboys. Folks have probably seen him. He was saying that he spends basically $25,000 a week on his health and nutrition. Everywhere from massage therapists to recovery to cold tubs to whatever it might be.
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And he has to because, guess what? He is being covered, because he's a wide receiver, he's being covered every week by the best athletes on planet Earth.
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Yep. And then, obviously, you add in what we talk about with the draft, and folks, that's why you tune in, is kind of the new and up-and-coming, right? Because these are the guys, the kids that have been in college for quite some time, and they've done a... But to your point... These guys, all the NFL guys, NFL guys, they have to be in the most pristine shape, most pristine position of their entire lives. And again, folks, they've essentially for the last, what, Andy, basically four months for all these guys have been training. And obviously for a lot of them it's been almost their entire lives. But really the last four months they've honed in. They've been training. They've gone to these training facilities. They've really been doing a whole lot over the past, again, four months to get ready for this very moment.
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yeah i mean also the nfl is so into specialization i like that because that is that really reflects the real world let me tell you what i mean yeah a plumber okay you got somebody who's been a plumber for the last 20 years and this person thinks oh i'm just a plumber uh no you're somebody who has an incredible specialty you can apply that in a zillion different places right this kind of sink that kind of pipe this kind of whatever right and they can apply that okay They have that brilliance. Oh, but they don't, you know, build cars. They're not Elon Musk. They're not, you know, a speaker. They're not this or not that. They have their specialty. Well, that's what the NFL is. You get in, you know, going into the NBA, and we were talking about this the other day, every player going into the NBA, even if you're mainly a big shot blocker, you've got to be able to shoot some. OK, every player's got to be able to pass some. Every player's got to be able to shoot some. Every player's got to be able to run some, even if they're mainly going to camp out under the rim. In the NFL, forget that. OK, only one guy throws it. OK, and only a couple, two or three different positions catch it. OK, and you got positions where your foot speed means very little. Then you got positions, most of them, about 70, 80 percent of them that where it means a great deal. And it's just the specialization is so much like real life, because in real life, you don't have people who do everything in an entire company all at once. They go in.
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You've got HR, marketing. IT.
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Exactly.
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Sales, yep.
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Right, and that's what you've got on a football team. You've got wide receiver. You've got cornerback. You've got offensive tackle. Not just offensive line, but tackle, guard, center, right tackle, left tackle. And it's just incredible watching the diversity of skills and talents and how they're meshed together. What we're going to be talking about today is not just all these incredible players who are coming in, but which team is going to pick who and why and how they'll mesh into that team because it all depends also on a team's needs.
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Well, teams need, Andy, so much. I mean, if you need an IT guy, you don't hire marketing. Yeah, absolutely. And I think so much with the NFL, too, is, well, you know, kind of back to that business example, right? You know, a marketing person may be really good at an existing company, right?
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Yeah.
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maybe another marketing person who's really good at a brand new company from the bottom up. Now, ideally, you'd want someone who's well-rounded, who can do a little bit of both. But it's just like anything in life, right? If that happens, there's trade-offs in either one of those categories. Exactly. Same thing for the NFL draft, right? And with a lot of these guys, they are... They're great athletes. Even the big offensive linemen, Andy. Like you said, some of these defensive linemen nowadays are... Well, the way they can move is unbelievable. They're 325 pounds. They're running a sub-5 second 40. And for folks, if you want to put it in comparison, the average human would be doing... I'm not talking a track athlete or whatever, but the average adult male... 320-pound human. ...would be able to run like a 7.5 second or probably even closer to a 9-second 40. Oh, I think the average human over 300 pounds...
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is lucky to do the 40 in 9 to 10 seconds.
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It is insanely fast.
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These guys are doing it in 5 seconds. They are. It's unbelievable, moving that much mass at that speed. Oh, my gosh.
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That's why, Andy, when they say you NFL guys are in a car wreck every single weekend, that's partially why. Which leads me to, after we come back from break here in a second, we are going to talk about our top 10 prospects. Yeah. This is the first year we're doing this, folks. So we're going to go over and we're going to kind of tell you some of these guys are going to be some of the most freakish guys out there. Some of them may just be really, really talented in their specific areas. So stay tuned. Again, Richard Rush, Andy Pate, Denver's Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560.
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And we are back on Rush to Reason, Denver's Afternoon Rush. Richard Rush and Andy Pate in for the well-deserved vacationing John Rush, right? You know, kind of kicking his feet up for a few shows here.
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He needs that. There's not another harder-working guy in radio.
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You know, I tell folks, and some of you guys don't believe it, he does work six days a week. On the seventh day, he somewhat rests, but not really, so he enjoys this. And then he's so gracious to give us his chauffeur. you know, three hours to just sit here and talk about the NFL draft. Oh, I love it. I absolutely love it.
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And by the way, here in a moment, we're going to be talking about our top 10 players. And the reason this is really important, folks, is this. I know a lot of people listening maybe are not geeks and nerds on the NFL draft like we are. That's great. You're not supposed to be. That's wonderful. Just be a fan. Enjoy your team. Love your Broncos. But... These 10 players, I'm very confident, are going to be all of them. They're not going to be players who you pick and hope by year two or three they come around. These are all going to be stars. These are going to be people. These are going to be almost all. I mean, there will be a couple who bust, obviously. There always are. But outside of the busts, These are all going to be names that you're going to be talking about for the next decade.
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Well, and let's set that up. So, folks, we haven't done this before, so this is the first year we're going to do it. Andy and I are going to go through our top ten players, regardless of position. And let's be honest, Andy.
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Best of the best.
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Position does matter. There's a reason quarterbacks go one. And this is going to be a prime example this year, which we'll talk about kind of after we get through it. A quarterback is likely going to go first overall. But he's not the best player. And, in fact, he's probably way down the list. And so what we want you guys and you listeners to kind of understand is the names that we are saying are, again, the best players, so it kind of speaks for itself. But these are guys where you're going to hear their names this next season when you watch the NFL and you watch them on Sundays. and they are going to be making an instant impact, Andy, right? Oh, yeah.
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And by the way, now that you mention quarterback, because I agree, he's not near the top in the 10. Okay, he's in the 10, but I don't have him near the top. The top quarterback who's going to go, in my opinion, won't be the best quarterback this year. Fair enough. Okay, I believe. And so when I said that you were talking about guys who are going to be instant stars, the one exception to that is often quarterback. They got to come in and they got to earn their stripes. Yeah, here in Denver, you guys had one who came in the second half of last year, you know, turned it on. But Bo Nix is pretty rare. And Bo Nix was also an older quarterback. quarterback who had seen more playing time in college. He was more ready to go. Most of these guys, I believe the guy who's going to go number one is going to take a year to really take his lumps.
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And I'll hold you there because we're going to kind of get that. So without further ado, Andy, I'm going to give you the honors. So Andy, I would like your, and you can give a little bit of a brief description. Actually, let's just do this.
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I'll be very brief.
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Why don't you give me your list and then we'll talk about them. OK, that work.
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Number one and one and two are basically one and one. OK, they're basically equal, in my opinion. It just depends on what you want. Travis Hunter from Colorado, wide receiver slash cornerback to Abdul Carter edge from Penn State. And then the next two are 3A and 3B. Okay, they're so close to each other. Ashton Gentry, running back from Boise State. Mason Graham, defensive tackle from Michigan. I have number four. What a game wrecker. We'll talk about him in a moment. Number five, I have Tyler Warren, tight end from Penn State. He can do everything. We'll talk about him. Number six, it really got tough here, but I put Tedaroa McMillan. Wide receiver out of Arizona. I know he's not that fast. Don't worry about it. You can't stop him. Number seven, Malachi Starks. Safety out of Georgia. And no, he won't go anywhere near this high in the draft. Number eight, Jalen Walker. Linebacker out of Georgia. Number nine, finally the quarterback, Cam Ward. Quarterback out of Miami. Once again, I don't think he'll be the best in year one. That'll be Shadur. But I do believe he's the best prospect going forward. Overall, because you're taking him to a team that sucks. You've got time to develop him. You don't need someone who's great right now. And number 10, I've got Will Campbell, offensive tackle out of LSU. And three quick honorable mentions. Armand Membo, the monstrous offensive tackle out of Missouri. Kenneth Grant, the even more monstrous defensive tackle out of Michigan. And Colston Loveland, tight end out of Michigan. Little honorable mention for those guys. All right, that's my list. What do you think?
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I like it. In fact, three of the top five we are going to agree on. Great. Which is phenomenal. Before I give you mine, I want you to pick the two, not the two best, because obviously you gave that when Travis Hunter and Carter. Yeah. Which of these two is going to make the biggest impact in year one? Abdul Carter. Why?
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Because he's a pass rusher. That's why. And it's just a more important position. Travis Hunter is going to do a lot of things and do them incredibly well. But Abdul Carter, an edge player, is going to come in and wreak havoc. Both teams that he might go to, which will probably be the second or third teams in the draft. I think he'll go third. I know I'm getting ahead of myself. But they both have... An excellent pass rusher on the other side, so he won't be double, triple teamed constantly in blocking. I think he's going to go nuts. I think he could be the next Lawrence Taylor. This guy is a phenomenon. And, by the way, so is Travis Hunter. But if you're talking instant impact, the most impact right now, Abdul Carter for me.
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Wow. Okay. Second. Is there anyone close second? Yeah.
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Yeah, Ashton Gentry or Travis Hunter. Either one. And Mason Graham. The top four players, Hunter, Carter, Gentry, Graham, they are all so great. It's just going to be wonderful seeing where any of these four go, and I think it's going to be really a mistake for teams who don't take them high.
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I agree. Okay, so I'm going to give you my list here really quick, and then we'll talk about them. Let's hear it. Number one for me, again, we actually are first on the first three, but I'm going to give you a caveat on my third. Travis Hunter's number one. Again, we're going to talk about him actually a little bit more in the next segment, Andy. Sure. Abdul Carter, again from Penn State. The number 11. Another number 11 from Penn State. And then Ashton Gentry. And I'm going to put a caveat on this because you and me and Walt was about, what, seven years ago, six, seven years ago when Saquon Barkley was coming out. We had a conversation about taking running backs high. We're going to have another conversation about taking running backs high in this draft.
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Okay, now, before you run on here, because while it's fresh. Yes, yes. Who was the best player in football last year? It was Saquon Barkley. Oh, and in the NFL. In my opinion, he should have won. Look, they always give MVP to a quarterback, but I don't agree with that. I thought there were years when Von Miller should have been MVP. So I think the best player in the league last year was Saquon Barkley. The problem wasn't taking him high. The problem was not building an offensive line before he got there. And that is a problem of the New York Giants, not Saquon Barkley. He was as great as you saw last year. He finally went to a team. By the way, in general, I don't like taking running backs that high either. They have a short shelf life. They get beat up, and there are so many of them. And that's my only thing.
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And we'll talk about it again. I agree. Disagreements are great for the show, right? Keep going. I'm just going to put an asterisk there. Number four is very similar to you, although close. Tyler Warren, the tight end out of Penn State. Um, my number five is, is where it changes a little bit. I actually have Walter Nolan, the defensive lineman out of Ole Miss. Okay. He's, I think he's a freak.
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I love him.
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He's just, he's insane. I think he's, he sort of fits into the strength of this draft, which again, we're going to kind of get into. I then have Mason Graham, although I think he may fall. Andy, we'll talk about that ahead of Graham.
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Yes.
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Okay. Then I have Jalen Walker. And then I've got a semi-surprise here. I've got Colston Loveland, which we were talking about before the show. And that is a tight end out of Michigan, folks, who a lot of people have potentially picked for the Broncos. And I just think that his overall— He'll be gone. I agree with you. And that's why, again, I think I'm putting him as my No. 8 player, if healthy. And real quick, folks, I'm going to put a caveat on all this to say— We don't know all the medicals, Andy, right? The NFL teams do. And so we're just going off of what we've seen in college, some of the nerding out and studying that we have done as just amateur fans. We don't have all the access the NFL teams do. But from pure tape and eyeballs, these are our lists. Number nine for me is Will Campbell, which is close to you. Number ten may surprise you, and it's Michael Williams, the edge out of Georgia. And I just think that he's so... freakishly athletic. Oh, I keep thinking Mikel Williams. I'm sorry, it threw me off. Yeah, Mikel, I think, and it probably is, right?
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You can say it either way.
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Mikel, Michael, I'm not sure, but he's 6'5", 260. The dude is just an absolute menace on the football field. He also played basically on one foot last year because of his ankle. Yeah, one foot, and he was still just a game wrecker. And so I think that, and so I'll kind of give you my two top impact guys of here, Andy.
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All right, let's hear it.
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For me, it's Travis Hunter. And yes, I'm biased because I'm CU and I saw him this last year. I just think what that guy is going to do, and again, we're going to probably even talk, we'll talk about him next segment, what he's going to be able to do either offensively or defensively, which some of both, I think is going to be insane. And I think closely behind him, is going to be Abdul Carter. He's going to be Micah Parsons from several years ago. And again, folks, Micah Parsons, linebacker, was drafted as a linebacker, like a middle linebacker out of Penn State. And credit to Dallas, Andy, they put him as an edge. And he is a game wrecker, and he's likely going to be the highest paid non-quarterback in the league. Right. Coming up here before too long. And he should be. Good for him. He is super talented. So with that being said, Andy, when we come back, Let's talk. We'll talk these 10s. We're going to talk these 10s. And yeah, I want to get into Travis Hunter a little bit. So again, you've got Richard Rush, Andy Pate, NFL Draft Preview Show, Rush to Reason, KLZ 560.
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And welcome back to Rush to Reason, Denver's Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560. We got Richard Rush together with me, Andy Payton. We're talking about the top 10 players in the NFL draft. And I guarantee you this, with both of our top 10s, there's mostly overlap, not entirely, but we're talking about basically about 15 players who are going to be lights out.
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yeah well they're gonna be scary for sure real quick and i do have to speaking of top 10 i have to give a shout out to to my uh top five at home which is my wife lauren thank you for holding down the fort for the kids and then to joshua samuel emma and caleb hello kids and samuel congratulations on losing your first tooth the tooth fairy should be stopping by i would assume tonight so you got to put that under your pillow and or put it in the special pouch we have. So yeah, first lost tooth, Andy. That's very important. But no, you are 100% correct, Andy. And I think a lot of the NFL, there's some differences, right? When we were talking about this over the break, I think there's a certain consensus on some of the athletes in the draft. Yeah. But there's also sort of a consensus, or not a consensus, the exact opposite, when it comes to positions, right? And we kind of talked about this in the previous segment. When it comes to certain positions, you value... Well, basically, they kind of get a jump, right? Let's be honest. A quarterback... and I think this is going to happen in this draft, who's a B-plus player is probably going to go above a safety that's an A player. Or even an A-plus.
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An A-plus safety is going to go probably several picks after a B-plus quarterback. Yeah. But, I mean, this is why when we were talking. Why is that, Andy? Let's tell folks. The importance of the position. Because the quarterback is so important. And, by the way, safety may be the least important starting position out of 22. And that's hard to say because safeties are very important. They all are. All 22 are. Your left guard is very important. If you don't have that, your quarterback gets killed. And, you know, I looked. Once again, going back to the Super Bowl. Why did I say this would not even be a game and that Casey should not even show up? They shouldn't even play the game. This is going to be a crucifixion. This is going to be a destruction. Well, why? Because of pass rushers like Abdul Carter, and Philly has a lot of them. And I was just like, look, they've got too many guys that they can come at your quarterback. I don't care how good your quarterback is. He's going to be on his back. And it just doesn't make any difference. And this is why I look, because to me, all around best football player in this draft is Travis Hunter. Yep. Okay. I won't say hands down because Abdul is tremendous. Yes, he is. And so is Jenty. But I look at Abdul. What he does is what Philly did.
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He gets after the passer. He plays the run very well. He's a very complete player. He's the closest thing to... I wouldn't even say Micah Parsons because I think Vaughn's better. He's the closest thing to Vaughn Miller coming out of Texas A&M that we've had Since then, Austin. I mean, granted, you've had Miles Garrett.
SPEAKER 06 :
He reminds me of Von Miller and Lawrence Taylor, the way he moves.
SPEAKER 14 :
Yes, and granted, you've had Miles Garrett. But, again, Miles Garrett's hand in the dirt, that type of a guy.
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Yeah.
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Abdul Carter reminds me more of Von and Lawrence Taylor, right? Stand-up guys who just have an incredible get-off, incredible hands. And you know what? And they're cheetahs.
SPEAKER 06 :
And what I mean is this. The second they break – okay, so they're a pass rusher. They're out on the edge. The second they break around that corner, they go horizontal. And it's an amazing thing to watch as they jet. And you're talking about a 250-pound man jetting close to the ground, flying right through a quarterback. It's an amazing thing to watch. And there are very, very, very few guys who can do that. And I'm telling you what, it was always fun watching Vaughn do it. It was fun watching LT do it. It was fun watching Derek Thomas do it for Casey. I know it wasn't fun for you, but he was great. Yep, yep. And I'm telling you what, this is special. When you've got somebody who can do that, usually the guys who can do that, the very, very few, suck against the run. Nope. Not this guy. He wrecks the run, too.
SPEAKER 14 :
Andy, it'll really be interesting because I think you and I probably haven't gone to the same spot. We'll just say I think he's going to go to the Giants at No.
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3.
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They want Lawrence Taylor again. Well, they want another Lawrence Taylor. It's interesting, though, because that regime, Andy, needs a quarterback. They kind of have a lifeline this year. And we'll talk about that maybe in the back half of the first round of maybe coming up and doing something that way as far as the Giants. But that regime, they need to pick a quarterback. But we are complimenting them. Why?
SPEAKER 06 :
Because we're saying, but they're not going to reach like Tennessee is.
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They're taking a freak of a player. I'm not going to go generational because I feel like that term is thrown out there so often to say, oh, this guy's a generation. Let's be honest. He's a freak.
SPEAKER 06 :
Leave it at that. Correct.
SPEAKER 14 :
There's only so many generational talents. I will say this, in this draft of the two people would be Abdul Carter and Travis Hunter. And we'll get to Travis here in a second. I'm with you, Andy. I think Abdul Carter, he's just a really complete player. And yeah, credit to the Giants because that's where I think they're going to go. You do want a quarterback, but I think they also look at this year's quarterback class, which we'll talk about kind of in the final segment leading into our mock draft, and you see some gaps and some holes there, right, Andy?
SPEAKER 06 :
They'll take one in round two or they'll trade up into round one, get one some other way, but don't waste that pick on that.
SPEAKER 14 :
There shouldn't be, unless you're the Browns, there should not be many times that you draft in the top five.
SPEAKER 06 :
Well, you know, and here's another thing. There are people who listen to these draft shows like we do. And by the way, every year we come fairly close on where the players go. Have you noticed this? We're pretty well. We're decently good. I mean, there are always surprises, always. But people are like, well, if you knew this much, you'd be an NFL GM. Let me tell you something, folks. NFL GMs wreck teams quite a bit. Look at what Cleveland did. Yeah. They traded away their future for a banged-up quarterback who couldn't stay out of prison. Okay, look. He didn't go to prison. Well, he should have been. Correct. All right. But you know what I mean. A guy with, let's just say, severe legal problems. Correct. That was professional guys making millions of dollars to make that decision, and they ruined their team. Green Bay, at one point in their history, took Tony Mandarich. in the draft at number two the next three picks were barry sanders deon sanders derek thomas it destroyed our team for a decade yeah one pick so these picks are very important let's really quick get to though we the guy we agree on the best player travis hunter yes travis hunter i have Not in my lifetime. The closest I've seen in my lifetime to someone like this was Deion Sanders. Deion, by the way, could have been a terrific wide receiver if he'd wanted to. He could have done both easily. And he did do some wide receiver plays. Travis Hunter is not the best athlete in this draft, okay? He's one of the very best. But there are a few who are even better pure athletes, if you just want to talk about that. He's the best football player in this draft because he's a great athlete who plays football. And he knows it. He's got a great mind. This guy, when he runs a route as a receiver, runs it as an elite receiver, not just as an athlete running as a receiver. When he covers as a cornerback, he breaks on that ball as quick as any cornerback in this draft. He's amazing. He is a thrill a minute. And any team that gets him, and I do believe it will be the second team, I would start him at corner and play him somewhat wide out. We talked about that just because of the chemistry issues. But I think Cleveland would do the opposite. I think they're going to start him at wide receiver, and I think he'll be a star.
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And I agree with you. And honestly, we agree a lot there. I do think Cleveland's going to put him at wide receiver. But I'm with you. What a player. We talked about this on Monday. I think for a guy – and obviously we don't have this conversation every year. We've been doing this for a number of years now. Not like him, no. We haven't been able to say this. I mean, he legitimately could be introduced by Roger Goodell tomorrow night to say – and I know he wants him to be a wide receiver and cornerback. And it really is. It's true. He can play well. Now – To the extent that he played in college, I just don't think it's possible. The NFL is just such a crazy game. I mean, folks, he was playing over 100 snaps in college. And so we'll give people some background here, right? The average snaps on offense and defense in an NFL game is about 60 to 70, right? You should be getting 60 offensive plays and obviously 60 defense. So that would be 120 plays. And again, we're talking about car crashes happening. That could happen. And so for me, Andy... To me, I'm with you. He should play 100% of those plays, so he should play 60 plays on defense. And I'm with you. I think that 15 number is good. 10 to 15. Because when we talk about running backs, for example, we talk about getting them touches. Not necessarily, especially complete running backs, right? You know, like Saquon. Saquon Barkley, you don't necessarily have to run him 25 times. You want to get him 25 touches, right? And so 15 of those or 18 of those can be rushes. Seven of those can be pass attempts, right? You get him out of the backfield, screen, whatever it might be. I feel like the same thing with Travis. He plays on defense. He's a stud, especially in Cleveland. They can put him next to Denzel Ward. I mean, man, talk about a one-two cornerback combo. But then you sprinkle him in on offense. You're getting, sorry, you're getting not quite two players, but you're getting one and a half players for the price of one. And so to me, he can be that guy where you put him in for a red zone package. Or you put him in, maybe even as a decoy, Andy, right? You bring him into the game and you do a sweep. And again, I saw it at CUG.
SPEAKER 06 :
Well, any passing down where you add a receiver. I mean, he's your third or fourth guy, even though he's your best.
SPEAKER 14 :
Third and eight, you bring him in. And like I said, the ball skills that he has, the vision that he has, just the finding of an open guy You're not open space on the field, Andy. It's just second to none. Right. I mean, he's a natural.
SPEAKER 06 :
This guy's a natural. And the beauty of it is this. This is why you don't want to play him full time both ways. Why? Look, he did that in college, but he was doing that against future accountants. Yeah. Okay. He was not doing that against the best of the best in the world. And that's going to tire you out too quickly.
SPEAKER 14 :
When you're going against Patrick Sertan. Well, I guess even in the NFC North, right, you're going against Marlon Humphrey. Right, right, right.
SPEAKER 06 :
And I guess I'd have to go down the list of – Or if you're covering – Yeah, if you're covering Jefferson from the Vikings. Or you're covering Jamar Chase.
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Yeah, or Jamar Chase.
SPEAKER 06 :
Or Jamar Chase.
SPEAKER 14 :
Or T. Higgins or whatever. It's a lot more energy exerted. I wholeheartedly agree with you. I just think – but regardless, Andy, the Brown – By the way, though, really quick here.
SPEAKER 06 :
Yeah. having him cover Jamar Chase, would that be worth the price of admission right there? That would be fun. Oh, my goodness.
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Because both of them, feat-wise, just agility, mobility, Andy. And intelligence. Oh, yeah. And we're going to talk about that, folks. So we'll save a little bit there. Andy, when we come back, we're going to go over two things pretty quickly. Okay. We're going to talk about the quarterbacks, some of the holes that we see. And then I want to give folks a preview of the mock draft kind of coming up in hour two, which is the areas of strength of this draft for people to focus on. So quarterbacks, areas of strength. So again, you have Richard Rush, Andy Pate, Denver's afternoon rush, KLZ 560.
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And we are back on Denver's Afternoon Rush, Rush to Reason, in for the vacationing John Rush. It is Richard Rush and Andy Pate, and great song choice, Charlie. Andy, I always love when we get to this, because I'll just throw my dad under the bus. He's got his rhythm for the show, and he's got his music, and he's got his intros. Folks, I just want you to know, this is us letting Charlie have some fun. Yes. He always has fun. Mostly, right, Charlie? He's shaking his head. Actually, he's shaking his head no, that he doesn't have fun. Today, Charlie is wearing spandex and a headband. That's right, folks, if you could only see. But yes, Andy, we are in for our annual NFL draft show where we kind of talk and give folks a little bit of a preview of the 2025 NFL draft, which is coming up tomorrow night. And maybe at the end of the show, Andy, we'll see if we have any time. We may get to, we've got NFL playoffs or NHL playoffs going on, NBA playoffs, all sorts of fun stuff. We'll see.
SPEAKER 01 :
We have time.
SPEAKER 14 :
But with saying that, Andy, right before we kind of head into, obviously we're kind of getting to the top of the hour here, and before we get into our mock draft, which is going to happen next segment, I asked you before, we've got two topics we need to discuss. Okay. The quarterbacks. Right. Tell me, let's just be honest. The quarterbacks in this year's draft are not as good. As last year. As many years. Right. It's a pretty weak class. Why? Short minute, 30 seconds a minute, why? Why?
SPEAKER 06 :
Well, bottom line is simply they aren't as good. He's not as talented. You have one freak athlete, and he is not nearly developed enough, and that's Jalen Milrow. But he's not nearly developed enough. I'm sorry he's not ready. You've got Jackson Dart, who is probably going to go in the first round and should not, in my opinion.
SPEAKER 14 :
Yeah, he's probably a second-round guy.
SPEAKER 06 :
You got Shadur, who is a total surgeon, but let's face it, he is not one of these overwhelming athletes, and you wonder what's his ceiling. You know, he's going to be the best one in year one, but... And I think he's got a very nice future in the NFL. I think there's a poor man's Drew Brees there. Okay, but... Not overwhelming. And then, of course, you've got the top player in the draft. It's going to be Cam Ward. Cam Ward should not be the top player in a draft. I like the guy a lot. He's got a very nice upside. Heck of a player. Huge heart. Very talented. But this is not, even he is only a shade over 6'1". This is not one of these 6'5", Peyton Manning, ready to take the entire NFL by storm kind of guys. They don't have a Trevor Lawrence.
SPEAKER 14 :
They don't have these guaranteed stars. Yeah, well, last year, right? We had Caleb Williams go one, Jaden Daniels go two, Drake May go three. Yeah. And then you had, I think it was J.J. Or you had Michael Penix, then J.J. McCarthy, and then obviously Bo Nix. Right. Right? And so you had six quarterbacks go. You could argue, Andy, that this year— Every one of those players is going to be starting this year. You could argue that they should have— Two of the quarterbacks in this draft may be going first round. And honestly, Andy, if you were to take all the quarterbacks from this year and put them last year, none of them are above the quarterbacks last year. Maybe you could argue maybe above old Bo with the Broncos, but he turned it on kind of in the second half of the year and really kind of came to be a player to where the Broncos, which we'll get into.
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Well, it depends on what you like. Like Michael Penix was more of a gamble for the future. OK, Atlanta feels OK, this guy has more natural talent. They knew he would need more development than, say, a Bo Nix. Bo Nix is much more of a Shadur ready to go right now, although I think Bo Nix is a little more athletic than Shadur. And, you know, I just think. Yeah, if you had these two quarterbacks in last year's draft, first of all, I think Cam Ward would probably go somewhere in the first round. Late first. Late first and Shador in the second.
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And I'll say this, and then we'll get to the strengths of the draft, Andy, because we're kind of talking about quarterbacks' weaknesses. Yeah. I'm with you. I'm not a huge believer in Cam Ward. It's just the age worries me, similar for Shador, because they're kind of older players. Yeah. And I always question older players coming out of college because you're a man amongst boys. Now, granted, that maybe plays a little bit more on the offensive line or linebackers or things like that. But even as quarterback, right? Because you've seen things. You know, KM Ward's been playing quarterback, I think, for six years in college just through his different stops. And so for me, Andy... That's the biggest concern that I have is how does that translate? I just don't see an insane athlete or insanely fast processor or really great arm strength with any of these guys. They all have their flaws. And I was telling you in break, Shador, having watched him for the past few years, Great, tough as nails surgeon. I think he's a high-character guy. But as I told you, I think he has a cornerback's attitude versus a quarterback's attitude. And, yes, I'll say it. Okay, what do you mean by that? What I mean by that is cornerbacks have to be cocky. Yes, they have to be cocky me guys, right? They have to be the guy that gets beat but then comes back the very next play and is ready to intercept a pass and take it back to the house.
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They've got to be me first, not team first. Me first with a very short memory.
SPEAKER 14 :
Because they're on an island. Correct. And quarterbacks have to have a short memory in that they can't be afraid to take a chance. But then they have to also have a long memory to remember, oh, I don't make that same mistake twice. Again, right? And I'm not saying that Shador is non-intelligent because I think he is. I think he's actually probably the smartest quarterback in the draft this year. I just think that there's going to... I'll just say it this way. There's some ceilings with these quarterbacks and some limitations on them that may impact them and their teams down the road. Now, okay.
SPEAKER 06 :
Real quick, you know what worries me with Shador? He takes too many sacks. He does? And if you're going to do that in college, what's going to happen to the pros when Abdul Carter comes screaming off the edge? And there are a lot of – there are Bosas and Carters and things like that. I mean – It's a scary world out there. Everything is happening so fast.
SPEAKER 14 :
There was just as many sacks with Shador as a result of the offensive line being poor. This is true.
SPEAKER 06 :
I can admit it. That was the biggest cause.
SPEAKER 14 :
But let's say I think he was sacked 90 times over the past two years. If that is the case, half of those were because of that, but he still took 45 to 50 sacks because he was trying to make a play when he should have just thrown the ball away, trying to force it into completion, or in some cases didn't want to throw the ball away because he wanted a higher completion percentage.
SPEAKER 06 :
I'm asking. I really don't know. You know the player. Could some of it be that he doesn't read as fast? And what I mean is if it takes you a half second longer to read, you're going to take more sacks. In college, college versus pro, it's like watching two people play chess versus watching two people play speed chess, where they've got to make the move, hit the clock, and move.
SPEAKER 14 :
I think somewhat, and I think some of the defenses he saw was a little bit vanilla, but I think that's the case for a lot of... A lot of quarterbacks in college because I think that defenses in college rely so much on athleticism that they play a lot of vanilla defensive schemes and do some things that way. But I do think he's a fast processor. I think he's got a pretty high floor, but I also think he has a low ceiling. He actually reminds me of Bo Nix, although granted Bo Nix is a better athlete. So with that said, Andy, we've got two minutes. Okay. The strengths of the draft, so whether that's areas of depth, the best players, where do you think that the top two or three strengths of the draft are?
SPEAKER 06 :
Yeah, this draft is really strong at defensive tackle. And at edge. So defensive lineman, man, if you want people on the defensive line, either inside or outside, got you covered. We got a zillion of them, and they're killers. Okay. Wide receivers are, I think, actually fairly average in this draft. I think this draft is very deep at running back.
SPEAKER 14 :
Yep, I agree.
SPEAKER 06 :
However, I also think that the two at the top are way above the rest.
SPEAKER 14 :
I was going to say, let's not get confused with... with depth being a good thing, right?
SPEAKER 06 :
Yeah.
SPEAKER 14 :
You can get really good players in the later rounds, but they're still the cream of the crop.
SPEAKER 06 :
Right. And I think another area is tight end is unusually good at the top.
SPEAKER 14 :
And what I'll say, I'll kind of piggyback. That was actually who I had written down. I had tight end, running back, and D-line. To me, tight end is deep. I think you can get a guy in the third round – I'll say it for my Broncos, if we don't take a tight end in the first, I think we can get a guy in the third round that can start and that can help you every single week in and week out. He can be an advantageous player for Bo Nix. Same with defensive line. I think some of these, you can get guys third and fourth round, Andy, that could potentially start for you. in some cases, depending on how the rest of the board falls and what teams.
SPEAKER 06 :
But it's not just deep. At the top, you also have the top-end freaks. Yes. I mean, the first round for these players is going to be incredible. The number of defensive tackle and edge players who go in the first round, I don't think we've seen this many.
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You may have a third of the first round almost be on the defensive line edge type of a player.
SPEAKER 06 :
I would say, and we'll close with this, this draft serves as a warning shot to quarterbacks across the league. Look what's coming.
SPEAKER 14 :
You're getting some pretty good, or not pretty good, some great athletes on the defensive, close to the line of scrimmage. Because again, I'll say, I think defensive backs, Andy Grant, I think there's actually some depth and safety, but we talked about kind of the, not the unimportance of safety, but just it's a less important position. There's some very good corners, too. There are. There's some good corners, but... But once you get, again, step down from Travis Hunter, maybe Will Johnson, Jedi Baron out of Texas, I think you lose some of that. So I think it will be a very, very interesting. So with that said, folks, we're going to come back and we're going to do our normal mock draft where Andy and I alternate picks. We get to have some fun. We get to act like we're the general managers of these NFL teams because that is our dream job, Andy. Oh, yes. You have Richard Rush, Andy Pate in for Denver's Afternoon Rush, Rush to Reason. We've got Hour 2 coming up on KLZ 560.
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And we are back here on Rush to Reason. Richard Rush in for John Rush with Andy Pate sitting in, getting ready to draft for, well, I don't know what it is. But again, folks, we are here for our 2025 NFL Draft Show. Normally we have Walt McClain, Andy, but he decided to ditch us again. We are the backup crew for Walt.
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He was kind of the face of this, and we are kind of the journeyman backups that you put in because your star is out.
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You're the B-plus team, I'm the B-team, and then Walt and my dad are the A-plus team. Exactly. So sorry, folks, you're stuck with the B slash B plus team. But again, we do this every year for folks that are kind of new. It's always a fun time for us to just kind of talk about the draft, where we think players are going, what's happening. And it's sort of a time for you to kick back and we can ignore all the other craziness that's going on in the world, Andy. And just sort of hone in on, I guess, what we would call our nerding out a bit, right? Because we do. We nerd out and really enjoy talking about guys running around. Well, not running around in their underwear anymore because they put on the uniform.
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Well, you know, it's going to be fun talking about this next pick because it's the Pittsburgh Steelers, and there are a lot of Steelers fans here. I don't know if you know this, but they're like the Packers. They are spread across the country. But one more time, before we get to me doing the Steelers, I want you again to talk about who you just gave your Denver Broncos.
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Fair enough. So it's between two running backs for me, Andy, and in this case, how we had it come down – would be Travion Henderson of running back Ohio State or Omarion Hampton, a running back out of North Carolina. Both really good players. Similar players in some senses, Andy. Travion's a little bit faster, a little bit more of a, I guess, a speed-slash-complete back. Omarion... He's more traditional. He's more traditional. He runs well. You've talked about beast mode, Marshawn Lynch. He catches the ball well. He's not as good of a pass protector. The tie break for me was I think Henderson, running back out of Ohio State, he catches the ball really well, runs the ball, but he pass protects, and I think that's something that Sean Payton looks for from his running backs.
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It sounds like you see Henderson as more of a LaDainian Tomlinson type.
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I actually see Henderson as more of a— Because Tomlinson did all three aspects perfectly. I see Henderson as more – I don't think he's as talented as LT. I think he's more of an Alvin Kamara type.
SPEAKER 05 :
No, but I mean that type. I mean Alvin Kamara is a poor man's LaDainian Thomas.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah, and that's what I would say is I think Henderson reminds me – and that's who Sean Payton is. And there's been a lot of talk around town about the Joker role for the Broncos, this guy who can do it all. And a lot of people thought that that maybe is a tight end. But I think that that's more of the running back, where they can put Henderson in the backfield he can pass protect. They can put him out in a slot receiver, and he can be a slot receiver. They can put him almost as an in-line tight end, and he can chip a defensive end before he goes out.
SPEAKER 05 :
Okay, I'm going to start a stir. I'm going to start a controversy right now. Love it. Love controversy, Andy. And I felt this before we did this draft today. I feel that Henderson could actually be a little better than Kamara.
SPEAKER 04 :
And if you tell me – because Kamara was a third-round pick, if I'm not mistaken.
SPEAKER 05 :
Yeah, but he was a steal.
SPEAKER 04 :
He was a steal. He didn't belong in the third round. If the Broncos can get Alvin Kamara with Travion Henderson, they will have gotten an A++ pick because I think that that type of a player – just opens up so much to your offense, Andy, that it just brings so much value and so much more explosiveness to your offense if you can do that because the defense doesn't know where to go. Fantastic. I love it. So, all right, we're going to jump right back in. Charlie, you can give us our theme music, as Coach Prime would say. And, Andy, you are on the clock with the Steelers, which it gets interesting because, honestly – I've got Shadur Sanders going here to the Steelers to pair with Mike Tomlin. I think that would be a great pairing. But he is not available, so they don't have a quarterback, but I don't think that's where you're going.
SPEAKER 05 :
A lot has changed. A lot has changed. Yeah, Shadur, I took him at No.
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9.
SPEAKER 05 :
I'm sorry I like him too much down in the Dome in New Orleans. I just think he's going to have a ball down there. And I do not, you know, a lot of teams, a lot of people are saying Jackson Dart, the quarterback out of Mississippi is going to go here at number 21. And the reason they're saying that is the number one need of the Steelers. And I'm not going to go with him. The number one need of the Steelers is quarterback, and they don't have a second-round pick, so they get it here or they don't get it.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah, well, they gave that up for DK Metcalf.
SPEAKER 05 :
Right, and so what I believe, though, is that they won't get it. I believe they're going to go with other players. They're going to get a journeyman. They're going to do something for this year and get a quarterback next year because you just left their second-biggest need running back, Omarion Hampton, on the board.
SPEAKER 04 :
Wow, that would be.
SPEAKER 05 :
I am sorry. There is no way, if I'm the Steelers and Omarion Hampton is sitting there, there's no way I turn him down. I take Omarion Hampton here, and I say thank you because, oh boy, is he a Steelers type of guy? No, no, he actually is.
SPEAKER 04 :
He's a Steelers type of player. Jerome Bettis. Again, I just don't know, and I'm with you. Maybe they go Aaron Rodgers, another journeyman. Maybe they just go Mason Rudolph. Maybe they do take a third-round quarterback pick on a guy. I'm with the Steelers.
SPEAKER 05 :
I think you make do because it's what you said earlier. Next year is a much better quarterback draft. Why reach now when you can... Yeah, because the Steelers are never that bad, Andy. Why reach for Jackson Dart when you can get Omarion Hemp?
SPEAKER 04 :
I agree. I agree. My issue is the Steelers with Mike Tomlin are just never bad enough... To get a good quarterback.
SPEAKER 05 :
To get a good quarterback. Yeah, but it's Jackson Dart. I think Jackson Dart is somebody you can get any year drafting low in the draft. the first round.
SPEAKER 04 :
Let me put it this way, Andy.
SPEAKER 05 :
In fact, last year, Jackson Dart would have been low in the second round. Fair enough.
SPEAKER 04 :
I think this, if you're the Steelers, you're waiting for a trade up from a Giants, obviously not the Browns because you rarely see in-division trades happen in the draft, especially the into the first round. I could see the Giants moving up and maybe grabbing Jackson Dart here just to make sure no one else does. They move back. They get a second-round pick. They probably get another third-round pick and maybe even a fourth or a fifth there. And I think in that point in time, the Steelers could then draft one of the quarterbacks in the second.
SPEAKER 05 :
Okay, but let me ask you this. Coming up at the pick number 24 is the Vikings. They only have four picks in the draft. To me, they're the prime team to trade down.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah, well, I think any of these next number of teams, I think, well, actually the Broncos could potentially trade down, depending on who's available. If Shador is available, I could see actually the Giants coming up with the Broncos and grabbing him there. I think the Chargers are a candidate to trade down because they've missed out on some players, although maybe they've got one that we'll go with. And I think the Packers could potentially trade down as well. Yes, we could. I hope we do. With that, we're going to get to your Packers here, and I want to have – actually, we're going to go to them after there. So I'm going to be on the clock, Andy, with the Los Angeles – we always mess this up for a few years, Andy – Los Angeles Chargers. What do they need? Well, they really needed Colston Loveland, the tight end out of Michigan. True. They really needed that. They don't actually have a running back right now. I mean, I know that they drafted Blake Corham last year, but J.K. Dobbins is no longer on their team. Corum is their second stringer.
SPEAKER 05 :
I forget who their starter is.
SPEAKER 04 :
I'm not sure who he is. I think the Chargers, well, honestly, Andy, if you had— Oh, wait, wait, wait.
SPEAKER 05 :
Didn't they pick up the Steelers running back?
SPEAKER 04 :
Oh, Najee? Oh, yeah, Najee. Yeah, they've got Najee Harris. There you go. So Najee. Well, and you could be right, Andy. Honestly, I think the only spot they don't go here is where there's some really good talent, which is wide receiver. You've got McMillan here. You've got Ekbuga, right? Yeah, Ekbuga from Ohio State here. But you just took Ladd McConkie last year. You've got... Yeah, but they don't have that much at wide out. I mean, who's the other guy they've got? They've got Ladd and some old guys. And Johnson. Whatever his name is. Yeah, but Quentin Johnson hasn't panned out. I think, Andy, I think this guy's falling a little bit right here. Okay. And I think that he's a good player for him. And I think that Harbaugh loves himself some meat and potatoes. And the meat and potatoes is obviously the offensive and defensive line. Like I said, if he was still here, I think he would go with his Michigan man in Kenneth Grant. Right. I agree. I think he's going to go Derek Harmon. Defensive tackle. Oh, no. And that probably was going to be your guy that your Packers were going to take. Yes, that was my guy. You ruined my entire season. I apologize, Andy.
SPEAKER 05 :
How could you do this? Don't you want to get a worse player?
SPEAKER 04 :
You took Derek Harmon from Oregon, who is a killer. He is. He is a really talented player, Andy. He's sliding a little bit in this case, but I think it's, again, I think if I'm the Chargers, and maybe they do, right? Maybe they do go wide receiver here. I just think that the defensive line, they're looking to shore that up, especially, Andy, and this is something to think about, if the Raiders, as in the case happened with us, end up taking Ashton Gentry, it kind of gives them a sure hand in there. So when we come back, Andy, your beloved Packers are on the clock. You get to be their GM, as I know you've wished for since you were a little boy. Yeah, but you just ruined our season. You know, it happens. It happens to you a lot. So, again, folks, when we come back, Andy's going to be on the clock with the Packers. Richard Rush, Andy Pate, KLZ 560, Denver's Afternoon Rush.
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This is Rush to Reason on KLZ 560.
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And they stay there. And they stay there. And they stay there.
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All right, we are back on Rush to Reason. Richard Rush, Andy Pate, Charlie behind the glass throwing out some bangers there. I believe that's DJ Khaled, right? Right, Charlie? Oh, my generation right there. Just so you folks know, if my dad was in studio, you would not be getting All I Do Is Win as they come back from break. No, I don't think so. I'm just saying all we are doing is winning because for some of you folks, you probably never heard that song, but you're missing out, let me tell you.
SPEAKER 05 :
Well, the Broncos are doing winning because they just got the next Alvin Kamara only better.
SPEAKER 04 :
Only better, Andy. But then your Packers, in this case, based on this draft, are not doing winning because I just took the player that you wanted.
SPEAKER 05 :
Oh, you just took Derek Harmon. For those who don't know, Derek Harmon is a defensive tackle. He's 313 pounds. He is a ball of dynamite. going through the line. He bursts through seams and just blows up running backs. He blows up quarterbacks. I mean, he is equally good rushing the passer, stopping the run. Now, his one problem is he's not a very good tackler yet. He's got to wrap up better. But you can learn that, baby.
SPEAKER 04 :
You can coach that.
SPEAKER 05 :
He's incredible. Okay, let's get to my Packers.
SPEAKER 04 :
We've got to move it along here. No, you're good. You're Green Bay Packers on the clock. Andy picked 23, and I think you've got some great options. Even though I took your guy, I think you've got some options.
SPEAKER 05 :
I've got some options. Now, I've got to go best player available, not what we need. A lot of people think our top needs are wide receiver and edge. They are wrong in both accounts. Okay, those are like our fourth and fifth needs. Our big problem on edge is that we don't have a good defensive tackle in the middle of them like you just took, and our edge players are having to play too much run. They're having to squeeze in because our defensive tackles are bowling pins, and they just get bowled over, so our edge players are playing defensive tackle. It's a mess in Green Bay. However... Tedaroa McMillan, the wide receiver out of Arizona, is still on the board. I have him as one of my top ten players in this draft. This guy is 6'5". This guy, like I said, has the wingspan of a condor. This guy is the best red zone or move the sticks target in the entire draft. This guy is incredible. And for people who say, oh, but he only ran in the 4'5". I said this earlier. The sticks move.
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Andy, I will say.
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Good luck stopping him.
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I will say with this, if this happens, I think Jordan Love is going to be happy. Very happy. Aaron Rodgers is going to be mad because the Packers never took a first-round wide receiver with him. I think this is actually a great pick. I know you wanted Derek Harmon more, but I think especially up in Lambeau. This is a great pick. It's just not Derek Harmon. For sure. But especially up in Lambeau, cold weather, lots of things. He is a quintessential NFC North wide receiver. He's going to make the tough catch. He doesn't need to run a 4-3. You've got some of those guys on your roster already. You can get some of those guys later on in the draft if you really need them.
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You know what he reminds me of, though? Remember Rod Smith and McCaffrey for you guys? They were not fast, and they were always open. Okay, they were big, fast. Physical, excellent blockers. So is he, by the way. And yet they were always open. They were always open.
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Why?
SPEAKER 05 :
Because they ran great routes. This guy does. He's always open.
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I think he's your second coming of Jordy Nelson to me. He's better. And he could be. And if that's the case, you guys have got to be thrilled. Because Jordy was a stud for you guys. I mean, it was only for a short time. But he was really, really good in what he did.
SPEAKER 05 :
Yeah, before he got hurt. So, Ted Roe and McMillan. Green Bay, you just got yourselves a new wide receiver number one. There you go. Yeah, at...
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Pick 23, Andy, which is a great value. All right, Minnesota Vikings. Give them someone bad. You know, Dan's listening right now. So give them a kicker. I would love to be the next first-round kicker taken instead of Sebastian Janikowski. However, Andy, I do think Minnesota, they need a few things. They're going to hand the keys over to J.J. McCarthy this year. We'll see what happens. But to me, Andy, they need help in a few different places. I think this is a trade-down candidate. Because they only have four picks. They need more. So if a quarterback is there, I could definitely see a team jumping up to get him. However, we're not really doing trades in this, and we're not getting too crazy on the line.
SPEAKER 05 :
Really quick here. If you did a trade, would you agree that the Giants or the Browns are going to come up and take Jackson Dart right here and give them extra picks?
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah, it'll be Dart or shut, right? Is that what we were saying? Tyler? No, no.
SPEAKER 05 :
I would say there's some speculation. I would say the kid out of Alabama, is it? Milrow? Milrow.
SPEAKER 04 :
I could see that. Again, I think they could stay in the second round. I don't even think they would need to move up. I think they could snag him. I think this is a potential trade spot for him. I really do because I think that they would, well, they want that fifth-year option, right? And for folks that don't know, if you're taking in the first round, you have a four-year contract with a fifth-year basically team option that the team gets to.
SPEAKER 05 :
And that's why people want to take quarterbacks in the first round when they can.
SPEAKER 04 :
Because it gives, yes, an extra year of cost certainty exactly but we're not doing trades nope we are not and so andy you get to get used to actually one of andy's and i's favorite players in the draft yep he's being under drafted because he's a player of not at need which is going to be nick a man worry a safety or db out of south carolina this guy's a freak andy i think he's a really good player and i think for the vikings if they do stay put i think that that's a really good pick for them
SPEAKER 05 :
Yeah, now, here's the thing, and this is the great debate that a lot of people are having right now with the NFL draft. Emanuari versus Malachi Starks. Yes. And Emanuari is more the physical freak. Malachi Starks is just a great safety, ready to go, and also very fast.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah, I don't think you can go wrong with either one.
SPEAKER 05 :
Emanuari is the physical freak. Yep, agreed. Rod Woodson. Yes. Okay. Shall I go on?
SPEAKER 04 :
Well, Houston, Andy, interesting position because – Oh, because you took Josh Simmons, who I would have had there. Josh Simmons, and I think Houston can go tackle here, Andy, or even wide receiver because they lost Stefan Diggs and Tank Dell is – who knows what's going to happen with that knee.
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Yeah, but also you know what their second need is after offensive tackle is guard. He's still available. And there's a guy named Gray Zabel, guard out of North Dakota State. I would actually have them taking Josh Simmons here or another tackle, but I think any of the tackles right now are a reach, and I don't want to give them that. I want them to get somebody who belongs there. Gray Zabel, most people have going to the Seahawks, so this is actually really good value. Gray Zabel, guard North Dakota State, going to the Texans.
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I like that. Yeah, offensive guard, first guard out, Andy, which I'm okay with. And again, like you say, maybe even could have gone to the Seahawks a little bit earlier. All right, we are up to the Rams. Andy, I'm going to make a quick pick here. I think that this is going to be a really good spot for them to, again, trade out. There's also speculation that the Rams may take their quarterback of the future here. Yeah, how about that? They may take a Jackson Dart, or if Shador falls, maybe they take him. Yeah. But the Rams have also been known to trade out, Andy, and trade down, and I would not be surprised if they did that. In this case, I don't think that will be the case. They do need a little bit of defensive help here, Andy. I think they could go with safety or let me see here. Where's my guy? Well, they got a great safety there. Oh, they do. Sitting there on the board. I think they'll go with another DB here, Andy, Maxwell Hairston. Oh, okay. Cornerback out of Kentucky. I think he fits well with them with McVay if they stay here, which, again, I don't know if that's necessarily the case, but we're going to go with it.
SPEAKER 05 :
Maxwell Hairston is, for those who don't know, the fastest player in the draft. And he has got some cover skills to boot, Andy. Oh, yeah. He's a football player. Now, the one thing is he's 185 pounds soaking wet. He's definitely like, well, so is Travis Hunter.
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But, oh, man, can he fly? He can. Okay, good pick. You're up. The Ravens are on the clock. Pick 27.
SPEAKER 05 :
Okay, this is a tough pick because the Ravens, their top need is cornerback, and sitting right there is Will Johnson. However, I'm not going to go with Will Johnson here because their second need is edge, and I happen to like Mikel Williams' edge out of Georgia. Wow, that would be a – I just think it's more important to get that big boy up front than the little guy in the back. And I'm sorry, to me, they're even players, okay? But I like Michael Williams here for Baltimore. What do you think?
SPEAKER 04 :
I actually really like that pick, Andy, just because he screams to me a Baltimore player. Tough guy. Yes, tough guy. He's going to be physical. He's going to get in the trenches. He's going to do what he needs to do. Again, I think we talked about earlier, he's 6'5", like 250, 260. He's a heck of a player, and I could definitely see that. And honestly, if he doesn't get taken there, I could see him being taken to the Lions. And for him to fall to 27 just based on how the board has fallen, it's the eagle strategy, right? Yeah. Take the best player available. Don't overthink it.
SPEAKER 05 :
I agree. By the way, really quick here, going back to the previous pick, the Rams, I had Maxwell Harrison in my mock going to the Rams. So, you know, we're thinking alike here.
SPEAKER 04 :
I like it. Great minds think alike. So do ours. Go. All right. So we're going to – yeah, okay. We'll go here. Lions at pick 28. They are a really complete team, Andy. They have everything. As we saw last year. So in theory, and especially as we get to the later rounds, this is them – the rich getting richer, right? in some cases, and I think that that should be how this is. I think they're going to look at this board. I think they love Shamar Stewart. I think that they are going to look at it similar to how maybe the Browns were looking at it, but they're going to actually do it, which is We've really got a stud in Aiden Hutchinson. Yes. Can we pair someone else to go with him? I know they've got some players on their defensive line, but you saw last year when Hutchinson was out, they did lack some of that pass rush that they needed. So to me, and he's sort of fallen, but I think he's a really good player, and that to me is James Pearce. The edge out of Tennessee. Oh, over Shamar. I think so. Just because I think Shamar, I think Pierce is a little bit more technically sound.
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Yes, he is.
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And I think that the Lions like that and value that versus Shamar is kind of a freak, freak athlete in a good way. I mean, he actually lines up measurably to Miles Garrett, which is crazy. Oh, yeah. But he's not as sound technically. And I think the Lions will really value that. So I'm going to go with James Pierce, edge out of Tennessee. And Andy. Yes. With that, we're going to pause. We're going to take a break here in a second. And we're going to come back for the last four picks. of the draft. We can take our time. The rich get richer. The rich do get richer. We get to pick for, well, you get to pick for the Chiefs, unfortunately, and we just wipe them off the face of the earth. I'll give them a kicker. Exactly. I'll take care of it. But, folks, we are going to come back, and then after that, Andy, we're going to kind of go through the draft, go over some things for people to watch for, and kind of go over our favorite picks of that. So, again, you've got Richard Rush, Andy Pate, in for John Rush, Rush to Reason, KLZ 560.
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And we are back on Rush to Reason. Great intro there, Charlie. Richard Rush in for my dad, John Rush, who's on a much-needed vacation. Andy Pate with me. Walt McClain not because he doesn't love us, Andy, or maybe he just loves his kids more. But we are doing our annual NFL draft show. But you're his brother. You tell me. And he loves his kids more than you. This is getting personal. It is a great mock draft, Andy. I love it how it's going. There's always some surprises. We've got a few of those in here. We're not going all chalk, but at the same time, we're kind of keeping it a little bit spicy. So with that said, Andy, we now have the four teams left that were in the conference championship. And so you could really argue that these next four picks are the rich, Getting richer. And you could say that with the Lions and with the Ravens and any of these playoffs teams. But really, these last four, right? You've got the Commanders and the Bills, the Chiefs and the Eagles. Again, the last four teams that were remaining in the league this last year. They each made it to their conference championship. Now, at the same time, each of them needs something, Andy, for one reason or another. They each need a little bit of help.
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Well, yeah. I mean, when we look at the commanders, obviously they're being carried by a spectacular young quarterback in Jaden Daniels. Yeah. What a find. And he should have been the number one pick. He went number two. He should have been number one.
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I think we can safely say the same thing.
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Yeah, and don't get me wrong. I think the kid the Bears got is going to progress and become better and better. But Daniels is a different kind of animal. He is going to be a top five QB for quite a while, it looks like. At least top eight. Just a wonderful player. But they probably would not have beaten... Detroit, if Detroit weren't missing a ton of players. Detroit was missing half their defense. That is the reason Washington... So when we say the rich getting richer, yeah, but they're not as rich as Detroit.
SPEAKER 04 :
No, they made a surprising run of these four teams, Andy, that the Commanders need the most out of any of them. Honestly, they need more than the Lions. They need more than the Ravens.
SPEAKER 05 :
Their biggest need is either cornerback, edge, or wide receiver. Those are their biggest needs. And Will Johnson... Honestly, if he is healthy, if the medicals check out, Will Johnson is quite possibly the best cornerback in this entire draft. So the question is the medicals. I'm going to have him going there. I think at this point it's him or Shamar Stewart-Edge out of Texas A&M. I'm going to go Will Johnson.
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And he's a blanket when he's healthy. He was. And honestly, up until this last year, Andy, he was in a position to – well, again, if Travis Hunter wasn't considered a cornerback or whatever it might be, he's probably the number one cornerback. Now I think John A. Barron sort of took that from him, and obviously we even took Maxwell Hairston kind of above him. Medicals are a big deal, and some of you listening are saying, well, why is that? Well, again, you're making an investment in this guy Ideally, folks, a first-round pick, in an ideal world, they would be Pro Bowlers, Hall of Fame players.
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How many great players have you seen get one injury and then they come back and they're never the same?
SPEAKER 04 :
It happens time and time again, Andy. Players' careers that are cut short because of injuries or guys dropping out of the first round. Honestly, names are slipping me right now, but it happens occasionally. Every single year where medicals are a big deal and teams basically know your bone structure by the time this is all said and done. And so for Will Johnson, obviously for him slipping here, Andy, I think it's an interesting topic.
SPEAKER 05 :
Yeah, he's healthy right now. Apparently in private workouts he's knocking it out of the park. But here's the thing. So what? You still have an injury history now. If you've had one there, you know, if you've had one ACL, what are you going to have? Probably another.
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Probably another. Well, and again, I think for him, if he could have come out last year, he probably would have been, well, he probably would have been the number one corner. Yes, he would have. Coming into this year, obviously, national championship last year. Coming into this year, he was a really great player. Or I should say, coming into last year, he was a really great player. They didn't have a great year. Part of that was just Michigan as a whole kind of fell off after Harbaugh left. overall, I actually think this is a great pick for Washington and Andy. I think that they can use them. They may potentially go with an offensive weapon here, too, for Jayden Daniels. However, like we just talked about, they need a little bit more help all around as compared to just here. So, I like it. We're now up, or I am, I should say, on the clock. Buffalo... Now, that's a team that has quite a bit of talent. They've got quite a bit of talent. They obviously have the reigning MVP here, Andy. So the question is, where do they go? They need help. Well, they're kind of adding, in my opinion. What I mean by that is they don't necessarily need to reach for someone here. They could go with Emeka Egbuka.
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He does need a better set of wideouts up there. He does.
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He doesn't have a go-to guy.
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I mean, Zay Flowers, people talk about. Look, Igbuka is a guy. Well, Zay's a Raven. Oh, Zay's a Raven. I'm sorry. I'm thinking Northeast. Sorry. But he doesn't have anybody that scares me. Igbuka does everything well.
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Yeah. And he also ran a 4-4-1. They did. They drafted Keon Coleman last year. They signed their slot guy to a contract extension this last year, Andy. You know, I'm going to go best player available would be technically Shemar Stewart here. I'm actually going to go with Andy. I'm going to break from my draft because I didn't expect him to be here. I'm going to go with Egbuka here. I think he's a really high character guy. I think he's a high quality guy. And I think that the Bills in their case would really, really like... him to pair with Josh Allen, and he's controlled for a few years. And what I mean by that, folks, is, again, that fifth-year option for a wide receiver, he is on a – when you look at these really talented wide receivers, Andy, they start to get really expensive after year four, year five, even year six.
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Well, yeah. The two wide receivers in this draft who move the chains constantly are Tet McMillan, and Egbuka, who you just took. I mean, both of them, they just move the chains. You cannot stop them. You can say, well, he's only this fast, this height. Doesn't matter. He beats you every single time.
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When it counts, Andy, they are there to rely on. Exactly. You're up Kansas City, Andy, so we'll just skip that. As much as I'd like to. I never like when the rivals get a pick.
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Oh, you're going to hate me for this. The Chiefs, their number one need actually is offensive line, but there's nobody here. You're reaching if you take an offensive lineman here.
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Oh, you got Tyler Booker still available as a guard?
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Yeah, I don't like, I don't want a guard.
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And they just traded away their guard.
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But why get a guard when you can get Shamar Stewart, Edge, out of Texas A&M? Edge is one of their needs, and this guy is terrifying, and they've got just the coaching staff to teach him what to do.
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Just aim him. I wouldn't like it if I was the Broncos. The only thing that gives me – he's really raw, and so he's got to kind of come into it. But he's got a guy like Chris Jones, and they've got another guy on the other side. What's his name?
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And, Chris, here's the thing.
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Here's the thing.
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They are becoming the team that is getting overtaken athletically by other teams in their division. Yeah. They need – they need to take a risk and have that risk pay off so that they can athletically keep up with the Broncos, with the Chargers. And this is the guy that can do it, Shamar Stewart. I don't disagree.
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Well, Andy, in this case, I think that he could be used, and it's Carl Laftis. George Carl Laftis is the other side. But you put Carl Laftis, Chris Jones, and then Shamar Stewart on the field, that's a pretty nasty defensive front for anyone to deal with. I could absolutely see that being it.
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And you're going to need that face in the Broncos.
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Yes. No, you're not wrong. Okay. All right, Andy, I'm going to go. Eagles, don't give them anything. Oh, the Eagles. They've got everything. I don't like them. They do everything. Andy, it's one of two places here to me. Okay. And it's either Edge with Nick Scowerton from A&M or Donovan Ezuraku. Or, in this case, Andy, in this specific draft, you've got Malachi Starks, the safety out of Georgia, sitting there. Now, I know they've taken a DB. They've got Gardner Johnson sitting back there. But this is what they do.
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They take players who fall way too far every year. They do. They take players who fall way too far. I don't have them taking Starks because I don't have Starks being there. Okay, I have Starks going, you know, to Minnesota at 24. But then they'd have M and Worry, same difference. I mean, these are great players. When we look at these edge players, because I love Azuraku, right? But do you think Azuraku is, or Nick Skorton, do you think either of them is as good a football player as Malachi Starks? I don't.
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Just a pure football player. No, probably not as good of a football player. But again, Andy, to me with the Eagles, it's a situation of, well, again, they just tend to take the best player available. Who's it going to be?
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That's a tough one.
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They're all good. They are.
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They did just lose an edge player.
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They did. I'm going to go with Starks here, Andy, because, number one, they're going to go back to the Georgia well, and that has proved them very well over the past few years with several of their picks. And like you said, you can never have enough DBs. You can never have enough linemen. Yes, they did lose some edges. They did lose some linemen in that regard, and so I could see them going Scourton or Azuraku.
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But now you're giving them potentially another top 10 pick, and they're getting him at 32. This is what the Eagles do every single year.
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Andy, it's the benefit that they get to do because, again, I don't love Howie Roseman. It's just a personal thing. Don't get me started. I just don't love how the Eagles, and Lurie, I don't really like their owner either. But they do that, right? And it's the luxury, which a lot of good teams, honestly, the Chiefs have done it for a number of years, but... But as you start to pay people, some of that goes away. So I think with the Eagles, they're going to try to take advantage of this window. And if you can get arguably a top 10 player in this draft at pick 32, or Andy, and we've mentioned it several times, I could also see the Eagles trading out of this. Again, even one spot back to the Browns. Give someone a fifth-year option. I highly doubt they're going to go to the Giants because, again, you rarely see in-division trades, especially into the first round. I could see the Browns moving up one pick, grabbing Jackson Dart. The Eagles can still get Malachi Starks as the first pick of the second round and pick up some additional capital.
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And they can pick up maybe a fourth rounder or something like that. Which is what the Eagles do.
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Which you're getting for nothing. Yeah, exactly.
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And by the way, from the Browns, if you get a fourth rounder, that's like end of the third round.
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Yes. Absolutely it is. And so for them, you're getting a third-round pick to basically just forego that fourth-year option. Well, Andy, I like where we've gone here. When we come back here in just a second as we take this break, obviously I want to get your opinion on this. I want to get your thoughts on it as far as kind of where we go, just some really quick thoughts. And then what I want is your three main things to watch for people who maybe aren't as – big of fans as you and i and walt right you know we're just kind of i'll say for people like my dad who they they'll tune in and they'll watch it just to kind of see what's going on but maybe they're not as intense as you and i are so i want three things for people to look for tomorrow okay all right you have richard rush andy pate here in for john rush on rush to reason klz 560.
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And we are back on Rush Trees. Is that Burn Baby Burn Charm? Disco Inferno. See, you're a little bit out of me, but I love it, folks. All right, we are back again. Richard Rush, Andy Pate in for John Rush. Andy, we are finally, I can't believe we're not finally, we're already to the final segment of the show, our 2025 NFL Draft. preview show folks we appreciate you tuning in thank you for letting us burn your ears for i don't know good three hours here which is always fun for andy and i um so with that andy we just finished our mock draft yeah give me your you got the list in front of you folks you probably don't remember it that's okay give me your you know your biggest steal and your biggest reach or your least liked pick okay well also you you said things to look for well yes we're gonna get to that okay we're good or a second i should do that second okay my biggest steals uh there are several but
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My biggest steal, number one, would be the Bears getting Warren at number 10. Tight end, Warren. I would have to say the Chiefs getting Shamar Stewart at number 31. And the Eagles getting Malachi Starks at number 32. Those are steals.
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And I like that. Okay, which is your least... Well, actually, I'll give you my steals. To me, the biggest steal... Yeah, I mean, I don't want to say Warren's a steal, Andy, because I feel like for a steal, you've got to kind of go back. Sorry, go back.
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But I think Warren is a top five player going at number 10.
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For sure. So I think that's great. I think... You know, Andy, I'm actually going to go with James Pierce here to the Lions or the Malachi Starks pick. And I know we're kind of in the latter part of the draft, but that's, to me, Andy, where you get the steals, right? Because people are falling. And so those are kind of the biggest steals that I think are. available.
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What about the Packers getting Tedaroa?
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That would be another one. If that happens, Andy, again, if you're the Packers fans, which you are one of, I think you've got to be happy because I think that guy's a stud of a player. I think he's going to really do well in that offense, and I think that with Jordan Love... It's going to be a hard combination to beat.
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Okay. I liked all the picks. So I don't think there were any bad picks here. But I'm going to say, too, that I think could be the most suspect. Will Campbell at number four for the Patriots is not a top four player. They definitely reached for need. And very good player, but not a top four player. Okay? I had Will Campbell as my 10th best player in the draft. And then... I do think the Saints are reaching for Sanders. Shadur Sanders at number nine. I agree. I think that's a reach.
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I think it's a necessary reach, but it's a reach. Andy, my biggest reach actually is going to be number one. I think that Cam Ward, number one to the Titans, is a reach. That's a good point. And I wasn't saying that it was you. I just think, again, I think this draft as a whole – I just think that the Titans would be very well served to go grab a guy like Travis Hunter, who we here in Colorado have seen for several years now. I just think he would be that prospect that they could do a lot of things with down there in Tennessee. And then again, I think you could potentially get a quarterback at a different spot. So I think that's a reach. And as much as I like Shador, I'm with you, Andy. I think that that's a little bit of a reach as well. I just don't love... Again, I actually, I think my dream scenario for Sador, Andy, and we'll talk about this just, well, you and I kind of talked about it in the break. I think it's the Steelers. And you and I talked about it because of Mike Tomlin and folks. I know there's a lot of Steelers fans here, maybe even some listening. Tomlin is just such a sure head coach. He just knows what he wants. He knows what he wants from his quarterback. And Andy, the Steelers have an operation that does not require a lot from their quarterback. I mean, look, when they were getting a lot from their quarterback with Big Ben, they were a force to be reckoned with. And they still are, right? I mean, they're still making the playoffs year after year after year with Russell Wilson at quarterback.
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But they've always been a power running team. They are. The quarterback doesn't have to carry them with some ridiculous passing game.
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Which, again, having watched Shador, and it's one thing CU didn't have. We did not have a running game. But the games that we did have a running game, he was at his best. And so I agree with you. I actually think if he does slip, I think it would be – he's probably not going to take it this way. He's going to take it as a slight – I think the Steelers would be the perfect fit for him because, again, I think Tomlin also would speak his language. And what I mean by that is Tomlin would be able to come to him and say, Shador, we don't need you to win. We need you to come in here. We need you to learn. We need you to be steady. We need you to make the throws that we need you to throw. But we also need you to... hand off when you need a handoff, and then not lose us the game when we have T.J. Watt on the other side of the ball, Cam Hayward, a stud, Minka Fitzpatrick, all of these guys.
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Yeah, I totally agree. That's the better place for him. I just don't think that's where he'll go. I think he's going to go to the Saints at No.
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9.
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I don't know that. He could drop out of the first round. It is really wide open with Shadur Sanders. Nobody agrees on him. Yeah, I agree. We agree that no one can agree.
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right i haven't gone to the saints though and so that'll be all right so andy with that we got about five minutes left okay i want your two or three doesn't have to be three but top things to look for not yet it doesn't have to be you know a certain player it can be doesn't have to be a certain team it can be just maybe themes or something for people that are just watching maybe they've got it on the background tomorrow night they've heard us talking about it they want to know well Okay, what can I look for as a non-football fan?
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Okay, here's what I would look for. And it's not so much a theme, because I think the theme is pretty obvious. It's going to be defensive front, and there's going to be a lot of them drafted. I think we already know that. But what I think is important is what happens at a few key picks, because those will totally change the rest of the first round. Okay, and those three picks, I'm going to give them here, number four, number five, and number nine. Okay, four, five, and nine. So you've got the Patriots. If the Patriots take Jenty, that totally changes what several other teams do after them. If the Jaguars take Jenty instead of Graham, which they may do, or if the Jaguars go out of the blue and take Membo or somebody like that, that totally changes everything. I mean, it changes like the next eight to ten picks. It totally reorders them. And then, of course, the Saints. If the Saints take Shador Sanders, okay, then it kind of goes predictably the way we did. The Bears are going to jump on Warren. The 49ers will take a defensive tackle, one of them probably Nolan, and so forth, and you can predict them. But if the Saints don't take Sanders, that totally reshuffles the deck behind them. So I would look at, if I were people who are kind of new to this, because I think the top three picks – are probably going to be Ward, Hunter, Carter, and maybe Ward, Carter, Hunter. But either way, that wouldn't change anything. Correct. Okay? Everything changes with picks four and five. I agree. And then it can change again with pick nine. I believe those are the picks that can reshuffle this deck and throw it off. What do you think?
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I 100% agree. And what I would say is look out for some trades. We've actually talked about this for two years in a row, Andy, and we tried to predict them. Although last year there wasn't as many trades as – We thought there was going to be. This year, I feel like since we haven't done trades in our draft, there's going to be a lot of trades. I could be wrong. I look out for the quarterbacks because we only have two in our draft being taken right now. There's a good chance that a third one is taken, whether it be Dart or Milrow. With a trade. Correct. With a trade up. It's kind of the latter part of this round. And then the other thing I would say is look for... Look for those picks that can change the draft, like the surprise pick, Andy. There's always one of those. For example, we kind of mentioned the 49ers. A team like last year was Atlanta. They had Kirk Cousins. They signed Kirk Cousins. They still took Michael Penix.
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Yeah, and they took him way too high. Penix was a second-round talent. They took him at the eighth pick in the draft, I think.
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Does that happen this year? Do the 49ers, who have Brock Purdy, They're going to take him. Maybe if Shador does fall, maybe they do. We talked about it hypothetically, but maybe that does happen. Look for one of those things because it feels like there's always one moment, Andy, in the entire draft where it's just a surprise. No one anticipated that happening, right? And I'm not saying the Bengals are going to take a quarterback or anything like that, you know. But maybe the Colts. I have no idea. But maybe the Colts, if Shador starts falling, maybe they take a guy. I just look for that kind of that wow moment. The shocker. Yeah. And you'll know it just from the commentators and all that. So, Andy, we've got about a minute left. Anything you want to add to finish off?
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Yeah, last thing. Who is the most likely to deliver the shock? And I'm going to say, just because they always do, the Raiders.
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The Raiders. Actually, I'm going to go with you. This is going to be shortly. I think it's the Jags because I think that they could go wide receiver. They could go running back. They have a young GM. It's kind of unknown. They have a young head coach, kind of unknown. They're kind of in a funky situation where their head coach was going to stay with the Buccaneers and then didn't stay with the Buccaneers. And they're a No.
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5 team with an excellent quarterback. You don't see that often.
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You don't see it very often. So you could see them. Again, I don't think they're going to go quarterback, but you could see them kind of surprise. And so to me, yeah, I would say that would be the surprising team. Maybe one of the least surprising teams for me would be the Steelers because I feel like they're going to just do something that is just totally Steeler-esque, which is like not take a quarterback and we're going to take him a little bit later on. But, you know, you never know. So, Andy, it is always fun. Thank you for joining me. It is just a blast. Charlie, thank you behind the glass for letting us, again, take over the show and you just being the good sport that you are. Dad, thank you from afar. I really appreciate you letting us do this. And, Walt, thank you because you did help us in a lot of ways in that and let us poke fun at you. So, again, folks, you have Richard Rush, Andy Rush. This has been the 2025 NFL Rush to Reason draft preview show here on KLZ 560. Thank you so much. Have a great rest of your evening.
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Yeah. And you know what's one of the interesting things? When we give these picks, we're not giving the picks that we think should be done. We're giving the picks that we think bad teams and stupid leaders will give. It's really interesting. There's a lot of strategy here because, I'll be honest, look. Look at how Cleveland's been run. They are not smart people. Look at how the Raiders have been run. They are not smart people. And you can say, well, but they're brilliant. They know their job. Really? Yeah. Look at what they've done to their team. And a lot of these people, and I'm saying look at Carolina. Look at what they've done to their team. Look at Jacksonville. Look what they've done to their team. You know, when you look at these teams, you're like, so you're almost betting on stupidity with some of these picks.
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Well, and Andy, it's like they talk about there's like four pillars of an NFL team, right? There's the owner, the general manager, the coach, and a quarterback. And you could say that your general manager is the front office. You've got to have, you know, if you're only 50%, right, you could have a great owner and a great quarterback. If you've got a terrible coach and a terrible general manager, you're going to be switching those guys out at some point in time. Or you may have a great coach and a great quarterback, but if you've got a terrible owner and a terrible front office, it's not going to work. You've got to have kind of three of those. You've got to be 75% on that at least. And we'll talk about, obviously, our two teams. I think you're 100% correct, Andy. The NFL drafts, and we were saying this before, Sometimes these teams, like any decision makers, right, like humans, we sort of get in our own way. And a lot of times that's what happens to NFL teams is they tend to overthink things. They overthink life. They overthink the draft, right? They look at a guy and say, ugh. I need a quarterback, which is going to come up with this first pick. Really, should you be taking that guy or should you be taking someone else? And I know that there's this instant gratification and lots of things going on. I just think that, Andy, I think you're right in that we're sort of trying to predict people's Ineptness, in a way? Ineptitude. Ineptitude, there we go. We're trying to sort of predict that. And so, folks, bear with us. Our goal, as much as we would love to be perfect, which, Andy, I wonder what the odds would be, right? Because a March Madness bracket, super hard to get perfect, right? We talked about that about a month or so ago. I feel like the NFL draft, if they did the true odds on that, it would be equally as hard because you're picking – 32 players to be chosen. And there's going to be trades that mess it up. In specific spots to specific teams. All sorts of crazy. It's impossible. So, folks, when we do this, our goal, Andy, is to get, number one, as many players that actually go in the first round as. We make 32 picks. There's 32 players that go in the first round. We'd love to get 24 actual first round players. We'd love to get 24 of those. Now, maybe not to the right team. And if it's the right team, it's a bonus. Right. But ultimately, we want to get the right guys in the first round, which I think through the first... With each player, you want to come within a few picks of where they want to go. Yeah, with where they're going to get drafted. But there's always surprises, Andy. That's what makes it fun. So without any further ado, Charlie, you can give us our lovely background music whenever you're ready. We are going to get started. Okay. And Andy, so the way we're going to do it, folks, again, for those of you that are new... Normally we have Walt here, so we kind of go every third pick. But, you know, again, those children, I tell you. Actually cares about his family. Exactly. Weird. But what we do is we sort of alternate picks. And this year it's actually going to work out to where, Andy, you're going to go one because you're going to be odd numbers and your Green Bay Packers will fall on that. I'm going to be even numbers and my Denver Broncos will fall into that. So it actually works out perfect this year. So without further ado, Andy, Tennessee Titans, you are the GM. You are on the clock.
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Okay, obviously, if I were the GM, this would be Abdul Carter. That would meet one of their biggest needs, and I would not reach on a quarterback. However, they are going to draft Cam Ward, quarterback out of Miami. Now, this is not a disaster. He's actually a fine young player, and I think he's got a really good future. You know, do I think he'll become a top 10 quarterback in the NFL? No. Maybe. I'll give him a maybe on that, and that's about it. Now, for those who don't know Cam Ward, bottom line, he is tough as nails, highly intelligent. I don't think quite as brilliant as Shador, but he's up there. He is a gamer all the way. He's got a very strong arm. He can make all the throws. He is more nimble afoot than Shador.
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And so he's going to get out of more jams and troubles, which he's going to need to do on Tennessee. And I think he will help them out. The simple fact is, you know, Tennessee's quarterback right now, Will Levis, let's face it, he's a backup, a good backup.
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I actually think he is. He's a career backup to me. A career good backup. He's a backup you want on your team.
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Right. But you need the trigger, man. They're going to get theirs. It's going to be Cam Ward at number one. And, you know. What can I say? It's not one of the best players in the draft. Those come next. But it is the best quarterback in this draft.
SPEAKER 06 :
Andy, I agree with you. If you and I were making this pick, just us, not them, again, especially Tennessee, you've got a second-year coach. You've got a new GM in there. I would take the best player. I wouldn't go reach for a quarterback. I maybe would have even gotten a Russell Wilson, maybe tried to get Aaron Rodgers there, whatever it might be. Yeah. I would have gone Travis Hunter because I think that he's a guy that you can build off of. But I understand where you're at, Andy, and I don't disagree. No, no.
SPEAKER 07 :
I'd be totally cool with Hunter there, too. The only thing is they have a bigger need at defensive end. There you go. And they're close. But it's going to be Cam Ward. It doesn't matter.
SPEAKER 06 :
You are number two with the Browns. And, Andy, the Browns are not going to mess this up. And I'm saying that as my opinion, and I'm also going to say, I think that, again, this is my number one player on the board, and I think that the Browns are going to look at it. They don't have a quarterback. We were talking about this in the break. Deshaun Watson, they decided to trade away and be silly and trade all those picks and give him a guaranteed contract, and now he's hurt and he's got more legal issues and all sorts of things. They're taking the smart approach, right? They've got Joe Flacco. And who's their other quarterback there, Andy, this year? Oh, gosh, I forget. Oh, we're going to look it up. They don't have Winston, do they? No, he went to the Giants. The Giants, that's right. But they've got a couple of guys in there that basically they're just going to Let's fling the ball around. And they're also a candidate, which we'll talk about as we get later into the draft, Andy, to move up in the later part of the first round because the Browns actually have the first pick in the second round, which is a very enviable pick to have. Oh, yes. And especially for a team potentially falling out of the first round. So with that being said, Andy, the Cleveland Browns are going to take my guy, Travis Hunter, wide receiver, cornerback. I got you, Travis. Out of the University of Colorado, I believe our highest draft pick ever, which I am excited about. And yeah, I think it's a great pick for him.
SPEAKER 07 :
Now, would you be surprised if they take Abdul Carter and have the best tandem pass rushers in the NFL?
SPEAKER 06 :
I would be. Well, I wouldn't be super surprised because I think that it's going to go either of those two guys. Carter and Hunter are going to go two and three. I don't know the order.
SPEAKER 07 :
I agree with you. I've got Hunter going number two to the Browns as well. And they could put him with Miles Garrett. I'm just saying, you know, if they do go with Abdul Carter, it's not going to blow me away. It's not going to be that huge of a shock. I do know one team that doesn't carry either way, and that's the New York Giants because they like them both. Perfect. I think they do, and I think they're going to be happy with either of them. Are the Giants – sleeping best tonight of any team in the league because they get to sit there and they say, hey, the two best players in the draft, Browns take one and we get the other for less money.
SPEAKER 06 :
No. I mean, they are sleeping good. It's not a lot less money, but yeah, they're sleeping good a little bit.
SPEAKER 07 :
Yeah, it's going to be easy. Okay, let's get number three, the Giants. I'm going to make this easy. John and Cheyenne, you guys are going to get Abdul Carter, and that is the next LT. And I don't know that anybody is ever the next LT, but you know what? He's that type of player. He's wonderful. He is the total package. You're going to love him against the pass, against the run. and you guys already have a couple good pass rushers. Now you've got a leader of the pack. It's going to be great. So Abdul Carter, number three to the Giants. It's a home run.
SPEAKER 06 :
I love it. Yeah, and John, I think you're going to like that, and we can discuss that more as we get there. That guy is a freak. So with that, Andy, we are going to take our first break. We're going to come back, and this is where I think the draft maybe gets a little bit interesting in some cases. So again, Richard Rush, Andy Pate, Rush to Reason, Denver's Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560.
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And it is Richard Rush, but the boys are back in town. Yes, we are. Again, Richard Rush, Andy Pate in for my dad today. Rush to reason, Devers Afternoon Rush. Andy, this is our NFL draft preview show. We are smack dab, well, not in the middle, but we're just getting started with our mock draft where you and I kind of go back and forth. We make picks that we think NFL teams will make. First three picks real quick. Cam Ward to the Titans. Andy, you made that one. I said Travis Hunter is going to go to the Browns. You said Abdul Carter is going to go to the Giants. I think that that's probably the consensus. But Andy, pick number four. That's a tough one. We're going to pick up. And I think this is where it sort of gets interesting, although I think you and I are in the same position here. I think that, again, folks, this is where what we think is going to happen, not necessarily what we would do, Andy. To me, I think the Patriots, well, winning some games, they would love Travis Hunter or Abdul Carter to fall to them, I think, early in the draft process. They had hoped that would happen. I don't think that's going to be the case now. And the Patriots are a team in need of a lot of things. It doesn't look like they need a quarterback. Drake May seems like he's a really talented and a real deal type of a player for them. Good player. But one thing you saw last year is they do need some help on the lines, both offensive and defensively. However, when you have a franchise quarterback, Andy, you've got to protect him. And that's where I'm going to go here. I'm going to go with my... safest offensive line pick and that i think he's just going to be a stud for a number of years he may not be the most talented may not end up being the best offensive line pick out of this draft but that's going to be will campbell tackle out of lsu there's been some talk about his wingspan and some other things that way andy don't care technically sound he knows what he's doing he played some big boy football down there in the sec i think it's a great left tackle for Drake May to kind of grow with and grow behind, and he should really do well, and he should help him remake that line.
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Yeah, I totally agree. I think that's who I have going at number four as well. I would not do that if I were them, okay? And this is where I look at these teams, and I think they're making a mistake, because I think he can get a left tackle in the second round. No, he will not be Will Campbell, but... Mason Graham is sitting there right now, the defensive tackle out of Michigan. Mason Graham is a far better football player than Will Campbell. He is. He's superior.
SPEAKER 06 :
Goes back to what we were talking about.
SPEAKER 07 :
He's a man-child. Mason Graham blows up offensive lines. And here's the thing. If you don't draft him, you've got to play him.
SPEAKER 01 :
I agree.
SPEAKER 07 :
And I wouldn't want that. If I were them, I would take Mason Graham at this place. Now, I agree with you, though. I also have Will Campbell written in next to the Patriots.
SPEAKER 06 :
And I think that's where we go. So with that, Andy, you are now on the clock. The Jacksonville Jaguars got a new coach in there. Trevor Lawrence, well, you know, he's kind of been iffy these days. He has. Obviously, they're not going to go with it because they just signed him to a contract. But there on the clock, there's been lots of talks of an offensive weapon potentially going here. Andy, where are you going to go?
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There's been talk of possibly Ashton Genting, and that, by the way, could very well happen. Ashton Genting is a freak. Ashton Genting is one of the two best running backs probably to come out in the last 15 years. This kid had more yards after contact than all other running backs in college football had total. Okay. Now, yes, I know he did at Boise State. You got a lower level of competition. I understand that. But watch the film. This kid is Marshall Falk. He cuts on a dime. He has power. He has breakaway speed. And more importantly, he has vision. This kid is amazing. And so a lot of people are saying they could take Ashton Gentry. However, they're number one. Their number one need is defensive tackle. That is their number one need. Their number two need is wide receiver. Number three, offensive tackle. Mason Graham. I have him as the guy here. I have a feeling that you would probably prefer the guy you mentioned earlier, Nolan, Walter Nolan.
SPEAKER 06 :
I mean, if we're going to take defense, yes. But honestly, again, if I was the Jags here. Well, knowing what you need to get out of Trevor Lawrence, I would take Ashton Gentry here. And again, folks, several years ago we had this disagreement. I am not a huge running back early kind of guy, especially in the first round. I'm a late teens, that type of a guy when I start looking at running backs. But to me, Andy, you've got to give Trevor Lawrence as much help as possible. However, when you're a team like the Jaguars, you're kind of devoid of talent in a lot of places. So any of these guys are going to help.
SPEAKER 07 :
Well, I think Ashton Gentry's floor is the sixth pick. I think his ceiling is the fourth pick.
SPEAKER 06 :
He's going to go four to six. But I'm going to put Mason Graham.
SPEAKER 07 :
I'm going to put Mason Graham here with the Jaguars, but I don't know. This one I don't feel confident with either way. If I said Gentry, I'd be also wondering, well, geez, they might just go with Graham. Mason Graham is the perfect fit. for the Jaguars. He is exactly what they need. They have an absolutely monstrously bad defense. Yes. And they need desperately a guy in the middle who is a wrecking ball. He is that man I think that they should go with and will go with Mason Graham.
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Okay. And I don't necessarily disagree with you, although I guess I'll say maybe that's our first disagreement because I probably would have taken Jenty. However, if this happens this way, the Raiders are on the clock and Pete Carroll, is sprinting in his vibrant 70-something-year-old self to give the pick or to have John Schneider make the pick. And because I'm not going to take a ton of time here, Andy, again, I personally would not take Jenty here. And that's because, again, I think the Raiders, honestly, if I was the Raiders, I would take Shadur because I think that they need a quarterback. Granted, I know they have Geno. That's a big reach. I know they have Geno. But I'm not a huge Geno guy either.
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Neither am I, but I think Shador is a big reach. You've got a possible generational talent here in Gentee.
SPEAKER 06 :
Possibly. And honestly, as a Broncos fan, I'm going to have to play him every year. And you know what? I'm okay with it because, again, I haven't seen it. He's going to have to prove it to me. As a Broncos fan, Gentee is going to have to prove to me that he is really that good. And like you said, maybe he is. I love Saquon coming out. I didn't like him at three to the Giants because I thought they had other needs. I feel the same way here, although I'm going to take him because I think that that's what the Raiders will do. If Jenty's available, they will pick Ashton Jenty.
SPEAKER 07 :
I agree. Ashton Jenty, number six. Really quick, though. Do you feel sorry for him? I mean, really, that organization is a mess. And he's going to a team, they're not in as bad a shape as the Giants offensive line was for Saquon, but it's not great.
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No, Andy, the only reason is I actually think Pete Carroll's a real, and it pains me as a Broncos fan to say, I actually think he's a great coach for the Raiders because he's really only going to be there for probably about four years, four or five years, and then I think they'll bring someone else in or he'll retire or whatever it might be. But I think he's a good steadying force. He's going to establish a culture. Their GM, I think, was in Tampa Bay, but then he was also with the Broncos for a little bit. John Spitek, I believe, is who it is. I think that... Sorry, I said Pete Carroll's going to run and have John Schneider, but he's going to go to his new GM and say, hey, take this guy for... I just think Pete Carroll's that really steadying force. So with that being said, Andy, on to the Jets. And if this happens this way, Andy, I actually think the Jets are thrilled because I think they have a choice of... Two really good players here. And in my opinion, it's either Armand Membo, offensive tackle out of Missouri, who's a freak, or Ty Warren, the tight end out of Penn State. Yeah, and I believe either pick is good. I'll tell you who I'm going with. Well, I'm skeptical that the Jets... Well, I'm skeptical that Jets plans a quarterback, to be honest with you, because I don't think Justin Fields is the guy. But at the same time, this is the year to try it, Andy, because if he's bad, you get a good pick next year, which is a lot better of a quarterback draft next year. Exactly. You tell me, do you fortify the offensive line if you're the Jets?
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Yeah, I do. Well, first of all, I look at those two players as very close. Warren is the better player right now, of course. Membaugh has, I think, the greater upside. He could be a several-year Pro Bowl right tackle. Membaugh could be. And so... And their number one need, though, is offensive tackle, specifically right tackle, which is his position. So I'm going to go Armand Membaugh, offensive tackle from Missouri for the J-E-T-S, Jets, Jets, Jets, because I've got their needs as tackle, wide receiver, defensive tackle, tight end, in that order. Well, I'll take the one that's the number one need over the number four need. But if they take Tyler Warren, it will not surprise me at all because he's awesome.
SPEAKER 06 :
He is fantastic.
SPEAKER 07 :
Yes, he is. And I'm upset about this because I just made the Bears really happy.
SPEAKER 06 :
Well, I was going to say, because this sets up an interesting situation, Andy, because you have, well, two teams coming up that – are interesting, right? You have the Jets, or I guess not the Jets, you have the Panthers, and then you have the Saints coming up. And both of those teams, well, they need a lot of things, but I don't think tight end is the direction that either of them go. And if you're the Bears and their new head coach, Ben Johnson, who you obviously know well as a division rival offensive coordinator for the Lions for a while there. It sets up an interesting thing. So I'll go with it. So let me get my draft updated here, Andy. We're going to go Membo to the Jets. And you got the Panthers. If I'm the Panthers, Andy, you and I talked about this early. They just need players. Yeah. The Panthers. And I actually think, you know, we talked about this a little bit last year where it was unfortunate for them because Caleb Williams, you know, they would have had the number one pick and everything else. But, Andy, it was actually interesting last year because Bryce Young, their quarterback that they took a couple years ago, Got benched for Andy Dalton. Then Andy Dalton gets into a car wreck. Hurts his thumb. They got to play Bryce Young again, who actually, he goes against the Broncos, kind of got torched. But then he really started to play well the rest of the year. Agreed. And dare I say, he's starting to figure it out and be the player that a lot of people thought he would be, which is not an exceptional athlete. But he processes well. He can make the right reads. Very accurate. He's a very accurate thrower. And so I think that the Panthers are actually an interesting team. And we talked about the four pillars at the start of the hour. To me, Andy... The Panthers are in a situation where they have the second richest owner in the NFL behind the Broncos. If he would get out of the way more, David Tepper, I actually think they would because they have all the resources that they need. I actually think they have a good GM in place. They potentially have a quarterback, and I actually like their coach, Dave Canales. I think that'll be interesting. So with that being said, I'm going to take Jalen Walker, who is linebacker slash edge out of Georgia. I think he's a really good player. You and I talked about him. He's got kind of a really kind of a wide spread in which he can go. But I think, Andy, this is a good spot for them, and they need players, and they do need help on the defensive side. And I think that that gets them there.
SPEAKER 07 :
Yeah, I agree. Now, by the way, as a wild card, would you be totally surprised if it were Michael Williams, Mikel Williams?
SPEAKER 06 :
No, because I think those two are interchangeable. Jalen's a little bit smaller of a player, but I think he's a better talent. I think Williams is obviously a bigger guy, maybe a more complete specimen, but he lacks maybe some of the finer skills that I'm looking for.
SPEAKER 07 :
Yeah, I have Jalen Walker going there as well. By the way, so far, this is exactly my mock draft through the first eight picks.
SPEAKER 06 :
Well, so now, again, I think there is going to be a point where this thing kind of gets a little bit weird and funky. Oh, yeah. And I think that may be coming up. I'm going to make it weird right now. I was going to say, you're coming back, Andy. The Saints, and there is someone on the board that I think could go that way.
SPEAKER 07 :
Yeah, let's jump right in here.
SPEAKER 06 :
Well, I'm going to make you hold. Oh, we're going to take a break? Yep, we're going to run to break. And, folks, I'm telling you, this is where the draft could get really, really funky. So stay tuned. Richard Rush, Andy Pate, Denver's Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560.
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And we're back on Rush to Reason, KLZ 560. Richard Rush in for John Rush today. Andy Pate with me, our annual NFL draft show. Andy, we're going to jump right back in with the Saints. However, well, actually, you're going to get to your pick, and then I'm going to offer you a scenario. But you are on the clock. The Saints, lots of options. They are in a world of hurt in a lot of ways. They've got a new coach in Kellen Clemens.
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The Saints are a classic example of a team that ignored the salary cap. Yes. And they put themselves in what we call salary cap hell, and they wrecked their team. This is why you don't unload all these contracts so that the last couple years jump to 300%.
SPEAKER 06 :
Well, you do that, Andy, just making sure that you're doing it with the right guys.
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Not with everyone. Yeah, but what I mean is the years rise, but they really rose them. Or you don't restructure every contract to where they're all going to hit it once and kill you. And this is what they did. Okay, so now the Saints are a mess. And they're a mess because of how they handled their cap. So they lost everybody. Okay, I'm going to have the Saints be the first team in this draft who reach. and they are going to reach on Shadur Sanders, quarterback from Colorado now. Is this a big need for them? Yes, it is. They just lost their starter to a season-ending injury.
SPEAKER 06 :
Potentially.
SPEAKER 07 :
Potentially. Look, even when he comes back, is he going to be ready? I don't think so. And Derek Carr was falling off last year.
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Yeah, they need a quarterback. They do. I actually think this would be – from a standpoint, logistically, you've got a new coach. Kellen Clemens is actually, I think, a similar, when he played, was a similar player to Shador. Not a super athlete, but he processed as well, and he was super accurate.
SPEAKER 07 :
Yeah. Now, there are many other players they could take here, though. Okay, they could take Jackson Dart and surprise everybody. I would not do that. They might do that. They could take Kelvin Banks' offensive tackle because they need one. They could go defense here, Andy. They could go defense here. They could go a lot of directions. Why? They suck. That's why. But I'm going to have them taking Shador Sanders. There you go.
SPEAKER 06 :
And I don't disagree. The only thing I was going to say is, I've been hearing things. And real quick, if Shador slips past here, he's obviously going to go past the Bears. Yeah. If he gets to the Niners... Would the Niners be better off re-signing Brock Purdy to a massive extension or taking Shadur Sanders and letting Brock Purdy walk next year?
SPEAKER 07 :
I think they'd be better off taking Shadur, however, than they wouldn't get a really tremendous defensive player.
SPEAKER 06 :
I'm with you, but the Niners have proven if you have a cost-controlled quarterback, which they have had for the last three years, you can do a lot of other things with your team. You can sign a lot of really talented players around that quarterback to do it. And in the case of Shadur, you get him cost-controlled for five years. Right.
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And they would instantly trade Brock Purdy.
SPEAKER 06 :
Because he'd be furious. And I think you could get a... Eh, not going to get that much. I don't think you'd get a first from him. No, no way.
SPEAKER 07 :
You'd be lucky to get a third because somebody would give you a third because they have to pay him.
SPEAKER 06 :
They'd get him one cheap year. Honestly, Andy, I think you could trade Purdy. To a team? Pittsburgh. I was going to say, can you trade him out of the AFC? Or NFC, I should say. Yeah, to Pittsburgh. Maybe even to... The Vikings probably wouldn't go that route. No, I can see Pittsburgh. Really, Pittsburgh to me, or Cleveland. Pittsburgh, Cleveland, or even the Giants. Even the Giants.
SPEAKER 07 :
Although the Giants just got Winston, who isn't much lower than Purdy.
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I agree, but you know what you get. Anyways, I think the Bears are thrilled here, Andy. I'm now on the clock, number 10. I'm not going to take a ton of time. Ben Johnson wants an offensive weapon for Caleb Williams that he can move around, that he can do all sorts of things with, and that is exactly who Tyler Warren is. He was my guy for the Broncos as I was watching him in college. I kept sending Walt all sorts of messages saying, We got to take him. This is my dude. Get whatever we got to do to make it happen. And he's just going to be too good, Andy. So the Bears are going to sprint to the podium, take Tyler Warren. They could not be happier. You are now on the clock with the aforementioned 49ers.
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I know. That's why I was angry at myself for giving Membo to the Jets at number seven because I knew I was going to win. helping the Bears at number 10 with Tyler Warren. By the way, this is exactly my draft that I had projected for the first 10 picks. This is eerie. I'm going to go off script. Love it. Okay. I don't know, because here we've got the 49ers, and they really do need a defensive tackle. There are two, and I love them both, Walter Nolan and Kenneth Grant. And it depends on what you want. Walter Nolan, defensive tackle out of Mississippi, he's lighter. He's under 300 pounds, about 296, and he is excellent defensively. either pressuring the passer, but he also was the second-rated run-stopping defensive tackle in college football.
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He's a complete guy.
SPEAKER 07 :
However, Kenneth Grant would be your anchor, okay? And he's 335 pounds of mean, an athlete. He is actually the better athlete of the two, but I'm going to go with Walter Nolan, defensive tackle out of Mississippi to the San Francisco 49ers, and I think they're going to love him. What do you think?
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I like it. Obviously, when we were talking in the early part, kind of giving our top 10 players, I think that he is one of my top 10 players in the draft. And so it kind of fits right with where he's at. Kenneth Grant is a monster of a man out of Michigan. He is a stud. But again, Andy, I think we talked about this defensive tackle. There's lots of studs in the draft that way. So... I like it, and I think San Francisco needs that. Although, again, I think maybe our scenario before would be interesting. However, I'm now on to the Cowboys at pick 12. Real quick here. Did you have San Fran taking anybody else? It depends on if Graham, Mason Graham, falls. If he falls, I could see him taking him. But I think they're going to go with... I think you can kind of pencil in one of those three players, Graham, Grant, or Nolan to the 49ers. All right, with me, Cowboys on the board. I think Andy, again, Jerry Jones, you never know which direction he's going to go. But I think it's one of two, and it's both on the offensive side of the ball. I think he either goes... Wide receiver. Or I think he goes with an offensive guard. Offensive tackle. Because they've had a few retirements happen there in Dallas. And so it's a little bit funky with what they've got going on. However, I think he knows he has a window with Dak. He's paying him a lot of money. Whether he protects Dak or gives him another weapon, I think maybe he would argue that he didn't have enough weapons last year. He didn't. And so I think they're going to go with a speedy guy out of the state of Texas. I think they're going to go with a wide receiver, Matthew Golden here. Again, wide receiver out of Texas. And I think he'll fit well with CeeDee Lamb. And I think that the Cowboys will at least have an exciting offense, which they may need to. Well, depending on what they decide to do with you, Micah Parsons, and some of those guys.
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Well, that's an interesting pick, and I actually had Tedaroa and McMillan going there, and I understand. Look, Golden ran a 4-2-9.
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Jerry's the new Al Davis, Andy. Oh, yeah, yeah. He likes speed. He likes the speed. He likes the flashiness, and McMillan is everything but flashy.
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Yeah, I got to tell you, though, McMillan, people are like, well, he runs in the 4-5s. Watch him play. He doesn't play 4-5s. No. Okay? He plays in the 4-4s. This guy, as quick as he is out of his cuts, he's 6-5. He has the wingspan of a condor. He catches everything. He high points things. He is the best red zone target in this entire draft, and, yes, I'm including the tight ends.
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Well, and I think it presents an interesting situation, Andy, because you have some teams coming up. Yeah, you have some teams coming up that don't necessarily need –
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But Golden is more than just a speedster. He runs great routes.
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He has good hands.
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He is a pure wide receiver, too. He's wonderful. So, I mean, wide receiver also.
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He could actually be. I mean, he could be a wide receiver one, which maybe he does after CeeDee's contract runs out. But, yeah, I think you pair him with CeeDee Lamb. I think it's a good pairing. Okay. Brings us to the Dolphins, Andy, at pick 13 for you. I don't think they go offense here. I think they go defense. But you tell me.
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Oh, this is really tough. Actually, they need an offensive tackle because he just retired. Their left tackle did.
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Yeah, Armstead, he did.
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Right, and that's a huge loss. The guy I would like them to take is Jadé Barron. I like that one, too. The cornerback out of Texas. Because I think they're going to get rid of Jalen Ramsey. Exactly, and so I like Jadé Barron there. On the other hand, Calvin Banks would be a tremendous pickup because— Back-to-back Texas picks. look they're a mess they desperately need a left tackle and they desperately need a new corner what do you do i mean seriously between those two what do you do i think it's really hard or even will will johnson is a possibility yeah i think for them i think offensive line is slightly less of a need than defense because especially if you're going to get rid of ramsey
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Are we 100% that they're going to trade Ramsey? You'll tell by this pick if they're going to or not. So if they take a DB here, they're getting rid of him. If they don't, they may not. Okay.
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In that case, guess what? I'm going to go off script. I'm going to take Banks. Okay, Calvin Banks. Because I don't know for sure, for sure they're trading Ramsey. I agree. If they trade Ramsey, I would take Jaday Barron. Jaday Barron. Jaday Barron.
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Jaday Barron. Okay. And Calvin Banks, again, folks, he's a mountain of a man at offensive tackle. He's a stud out of Texas. he was phenomenal for them in the college football playoffs. So, all right, Andy, I'm going to end this segment with my Colts pick. Easy. Again, I apparently am the tight end guy here because I think they're going to sprint. They want a guy for either Daniel Jones or Anthony Richardson. Shane Steichen wants a weapon. And, again, arguably the most complete tight end, and he was one of my top 10 players, and you're getting him at 14. And that's the tight end out of Michigan, folks, who is Colston Loveland. Yep. I think the Broncos would love for him to fall. He may or may not. I don't think he falls any lower than Indy Andy. I think that that's who they're looking for. They want to give their quarterbacks as much of an opportunity as possible to succeed. So, again, if I'm Indy, I'm going Colston Loveland, tight end of Michigan. Great pick. Love it. Okay. All right. We are going to come back, Indy. We are almost halfway through, so we'll speed it up just a little bit more. But we're going to come back, get through a few more picks. Again, you're listening to Richard Rush, Andy Pate. Rush to Reason, Denver's Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560.
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And we are back on Rush to Reason. Richard Rush, Andy Pate in for our draft show. And sometimes we do yell at you, and that's okay. It's okay to get yelled at. Yeah. We don't have enough yelling in today's world, Andy. My kids will tell you. Sometimes I yell, and sometimes I shouldn't, and then I have to apologize. But a lot of times. Yeah, but we don't want you to be snowflakes. That's right.
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We want to raise a strong audience here.
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Especially snowflakes in the NFL draft, because if you guys don't know this, you're really missing out. And you know what? I am going to reverse that one pick. Oh, hold on, Andy. Hold on. I've got to rake you over the coals. Go ahead. We did, folks, during break. We allowed. Allowed, which just doesn't happen. We allowed Andy to switch a pick, which was the Dolphins pick. You picked Kelvin Banks originally. Well, I was 50-50 either way.
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Yeah, and I decided to go with Jaday Barron because... I just like the player more. And, you know, the problem is that you've got a real problem. You've got two players there, and they've got two massive needs, and you don't know which one they're going to take. And after thinking it through enough, I just decided, you know, I personally like Barron better. Perfect. Okay.
SPEAKER 06 :
Well, with that said, Andy, we're going to run through these next few picks. Okay, here we go. Atlanta Falcons, you are on the clock. Pick 15. Where are we going?
SPEAKER 07 :
Okay, I know probably the easy pick here would be Michael Williams, edge out of Georgia. But you know what? I don't think Atlanta's a smart team. And instead, I'm going to give them a very good player, Mike Green, the edge out of Marshall. Now, I know it's at a lower level of competition. But that 17 sacks didn't...
SPEAKER 06 :
You know, that didn't come out of nowhere. He's got some question marks, Andy. That's the only thing for him. He's got some potential off-field stuff. But like you say, it probably should be Williams out of Georgia here. But, you know, the Falcons tend to struggle sometimes.
SPEAKER 07 :
I just don't believe in the Falcons. And this one I'm not reversing. I believe it's going to be Mike Green.
SPEAKER 06 :
Okay, and I don't necessarily disagree. I think if he gets his head on straight, he could be a player. But that brings me, Andy, to Arizona, the Cardinals. They were competitive last year, but I think that they're going to stay on the offensive side of the ball. To me, they're going to go offensive line here, Andy. And whether it's Kelvin Banks, which I know we just talked about as far as an offensive tackle here, but I've got a little bit of a... I don't know. A conundrum? Yeah, I'm going to go with a different offensive tackle here, Andy, which is going to be Josh Simmons, offensive tackle out of Ohio State. Okay, so you're betting on his recovery. Yeah, I am, and I think that Banks may get knocked a little bit because we talked about this before. He's a mountain of a man, and I think that may help him, but in other cases that may hurt him, and he was injured in the college football playoff, and he kind of struggled there, so I think it'll be interesting. But with that said, Andy, Josh Simmons, offensive tackle, Ohio State to the Cardinals. You are on the clock with the Bengals, which I think is a very interesting team.
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Yeah, I think the Bengals, look, and by the way, Simmons, if he's healthy, could well be the best tackle in the draft. Okay, I mean, that's not a bad pick at all. Okay, the Bengals, let's face it, they need a lot. And, you know, have they gotten enough offensive line yet for their quarterback? Because he keeps getting killed.
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I think, Andy, I think the Bengals will go similarly to where we were talking about with the Dolphins in that I don't think the Bengals want to pay Trey Hendrickson. No, they don't. And so I think they're going to go somewhere on that defensive line to replace him and then trade him.
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Yeah, they may have to.
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Versus they should be taking maybe Calvin Banks and other offensive tackle. They're really sure of their offensive line.
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Well, and they also have a big need at defensive tackle. They have a big need at corner. Their defense is a mess. Yeah, their defense is a mess. And, you know, if I'm the Bengals and I'm sitting there looking at Kenneth Grant, I know it's not an edge rusher, but he's too good. I'm going with the value pick here. I'm going to take Kenneth Grant, defensive tackle, mountain of a man, in the middle for the Cincinnati Bengals. He's out of Michigan. I like it.
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And depending on where you have him, that may be a reach, may not, Andy, but I don't mind it. All right, that brings me up to the Seattle Seahawks, Andy, at pick 18. I think that they need a few different things on that team. Obviously, they just got rid of their quarterback. um but they or i guess who did they i guess they brought back drew lock and from minnesota oh yeah they stand they signed sam darnold you're right you go so what would yeah i was they're not gonna go there they're gonna at least give the darnold train a little bit of a run here um i'm gonna go andy i'm gonna go offensive line here uh-huh another one it's not on i because i didn't know he was gonna fall i'm gonna actually go with kelvin banks here Oh, okay. Because I just think that he's maybe a little bit too, you know, falling a little bit too much for my liking. So I'm going to go Kelvin Banks, offensive tackle out of Texas, to the Seahawks, who that seems like a Seahawk pick, doesn't it, Andy? Well, honestly, their biggest need is guard.
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So I thought you were going to go with Gray Zabel.
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North Dakota State. I like that, too. But in this case, I think... But Banks just going a little more value pick. Yeah, a little bit more value. And I could be wrong. I'll just say this. Whether it's Banks to the Seahawks versus just an offensive lineman as a whole, we'll go there. But yeah.
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Okay. All right. I like it. Okay. Now we've got the Tampa Bay Buccaneers at number 19. And boy, oh boy, do I wish that they needed a guard, but they don't. They don't really need a wide receiver, which is unfortunate because Tedaro McMillan is shockingly still available. Still available. He should not have drawn. Look, he's going to be a stud. Okay. He shouldn't be there. Really, if I were them right now, I would trade out of this position to anybody who wants either Omari and Hampton or Tedaro and McMillan. I would trade down if I were them right now.
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And for the sake of argument, folks, we did not do trades in this draft. We can, but that just gets really, really complicated. We've done it a few years.
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Because I can't do that, I'm going to go with Jihad Campbell, linebacker out of Alabama. That's very much a need for them. They need both inside linebacker and edge, and this guy can play both. and he's terrific.
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I like that pick a lot. Yeah, I think that he's a really talented player, which brings us to, and actually this is perfect timing. Isn't there a local team? There's a local team coming up. Really? What's that local team? My Denver Broncos, Andy. Let's talk about them the rest of the hour. Yes, they are looking forward to this pick. They have been for a while now. We no longer have to reach for a quarterback, regardless of if you think Bo Nix is a franchise guy or not. Walt, I'm talking to you. Whether you think he is a franchise guy or not, he's at least solidified your position in the draft. Or at least solidified that position to where you can now take... Honestly, we talked about this Monday, Andy. You can take some weapons. And to me... There's two weapons available here, and they're both running backs, and it's sort of which flavor do you want? Do you want Omar and Hampton? Or do you want... Yes, go. Tell me. Tell me where I'm wrong.
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Yeah, there's two weapons here, but one's a wide receiver, McMillan. Look, you guys have good wide receivers, but not like him. He is a step... Well, you know what? You've got one just like him, but McMillan... Sutton is a more mature McMillan. Yeah, but McMillan's quicker out of a cut.
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Andy, my only reason why I'm not going to take McMillan is I think the Broncos are really happy with their wide receiver room. Some comments from Sean Payton and George Payton. And it'd be too much duplication of what they have. Yeah, because I think that they're going to sign Sutton to an extension. It's probably going to be a two-year deal. It'll probably be a three-year extension with this year guaranteed and next year guaranteed. And then I think that they like Devon Vele, who's the older wide receiver they drafted out of Utah last year. They like Marvin Mims. And I think you can get a couple receivers later on in the draft, too, if you kind of want to fill out that room. So that's why I'm not going with McMillan.
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Hey, the guy I think you're about to pick, I had in my top 12 to 14 players.
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Well, so here's a question. Go. Omari on Hampton or Travion Henderson? Hampton. Hands down. And I like Henderson, but Hampton. And the only reason I suggest Henderson is he more of the Alvin Kamara mold for Sean Payton than Hampton is. Hampton caught about 85% of the passes thrown to him. Yes, but what Sean Payton is looking for in a running back is Omarion's good at catching. He's not a great pass protector, however.
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No. I don't care. Omarion Hampton is a wrecking ball, and his very presence will back off the pass rush a lot. This guy is special. You know what he is? He is Marshawn Lynch with an extra step. He's beast mode with an extra step. You do not turn down beast mode with an extra step. He's too good. I think this is an easy pick. I think Sean Payton will run a 4-4-40 up to the podium.
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Well, I am going to go... Again, this is... And by the way, I love the other guy, too. This is what we think is going to happen, not what we would do. I think Sean Payton is going to put some value on some of the other pieces that Travion Henderson does well over Hampton. And so... I'm not saying I would do that because I like Hampton. I actually think Hampton's closer to Gentee than a lot of people do. And so for that reason, folks, your first round pick for the Denver Broncos will be running back Travion Henderson out of Ohio State. You saw him in the national championship game, the college football playoff. He is a lightning rod. He does everything well. He does everything well. I think it's personally a little bit early here. We talk about trades. If I was the Broncos, I would probably try to trade out of this just for a little bit. But, again, that's not me, right? I'm kind of thinking what they will do. This could very well happen. It could. All right, folks, tune in for the next hour, the last hour. I can't believe it's here already. For the last half of our mock draft, Richard Rush, Andy Paint, Denver's Afternoon Rush, Rush to Reason, KLZ 560.
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I'm a rich guy.
Ever wondered if everything you hear in automotive advertisements is true? This episode dismantles the myths about protective coatings and highlights the practical uses of everyday products like WD-40 in vehicle maintenance. From ceramic coatings to innovative cleaning hacks, we cover it all, offering you insights and tips directly applicable to your car care routine. Don't miss the enlightening conversation with our guests from Pro-Tech Auto Shield, who bring their expertise to the table and help you make informed decisions about your vehicle's protection.
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All right, we are back. Drive Radio, KLZ 560. Again, Roy and Dietze both from Pro-Tech Auto Shield over in Wheat Ridge. And for those of you that want anything done when it comes to paint protection, ceramic coating, which I'm going to talk about in a moment, interior detailing, exterior detailing, wraps. Some of you that have even businesses, you want to wrap and put your name, logo, all that kind of stuff on it. Or you want to change colors of a car. You name it. You can do all of that. Did I miss anything? Hail repair. Window tint and PDR.
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PDR, hail repair.
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So hail repair, so dent repair, and of course the window tint side of it. Now, somebody on the text line said, listen, I know you guys don't do this, nor would we ever, but there are still some other automotive shows around the country, and I don't listen to these, but guys, some of you that travel around know this. There are other automotive shows around the country that have guys like Roy and Dietze that are on the program with them that are sponsors, supporters of the show, whatever. that are advertising ceramic coating as being a protection against hail. Now, number one, that's an out-and-out lie. It is not going to protect against hail. It might protect against the markings of the hail on the paint itself, but as far as the dent protection goes... The only thing that might protect against the dent protection would be PPF, and that's probably mild protection because if you hit it hard enough with a hailstone, you're still going to dent the metal on the car underneath. It's just that simple. So anybody out there that advertises that their ceramic coating is going to somehow or another protect against hail, run. Because, number one, they're being dishonest, and I, for one, am not going to do business with somebody that's dishonest. It's that simple. Simple. And we're not going to make that claim because that's a false claim, right, Roy? In fact, that's one of the first things that you and I talked about before coming on that you said is, listen, I know there's guys out there that claim ceramic coating protects against hail, and I will not say that because it's not true, and here's why. It's not true?
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I mean, I'm willing to go with those guys and see. I mean, okay, show me. You know what I mean? Show me. What's the product? Yeah, what's the product? Yeah, tell me. What's the new thing?
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And here's where, folks, common sense has to come in. Any kind of ceramic coating is nothing more than a coating on top of the original paint that is on whatever, the car, the whatever, okay? So point is... You're not doing anything to change the metallurgy of that metal, whether it be aluminum or steel, that's underneath that paint coating that now the ceramic coating has gone on top of. So how in the world – and I'm asking this question because if you're somebody out there claiming that your ceramic coating will help against hail, please tell me how you're changing – The configuration of the metal that's now under the paint in your ceramic coating, therefore making it dent-proof. I'm with Roy. If you've got some product that does that, I'd love to see it.
SPEAKER 15 :
I'm willing to go and see it because it'll be something. It's a miracle. Yeah, I know. It'll be something nice to offer.
SPEAKER 14 :
Well, yeah, if it existed, it would be great. The problem is, for all of you listening, no, it doesn't exist. And think about this. There's a lot of you out there listening that have even tried this, and I have myself, and sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. It can be really looking like, man, it's going to hail bad, and you can't get the car inside, and I happen to be one of those guys that will carry around a blanket or something like that in the back of the car or the truck or whatever because even throwing a little quilt or something on top might be enough cushion to keep some of that hail from going all the way through and denting the car. Now, remember that if the hailstones get – and we've had this in – Colorado, they get the size of a small baseball or even golf ball size. You can put as much quilting on that thing as you want, and there is nothing that is going to keep that car from getting dented when a baseball-size hail falls out of the sky onto your car. Absolutely, yeah. Period. So think about that. If a quilt... that has some extra padding and so on built into it, and you go throw that on top of the car, and it doesn't protect against hail in that circumstance I just mentioned. How in the world is ceramic coating going to do that?
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No. It's not.
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It's just not. And even PPF. In my example, even PPF isn't going to keep that from getting. And think about this, even. You put PPF on a car, and you guys have done entire cars, and somebody opens the car door hard enough into it, is it still going to leave a door ding? Yeah. Yeah.
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I mean, even rock strips, the PPF is supposed to protect. If you get hit hard enough, it's still going to go through.
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Yeah, the good thing, I mean, is now you're probably going to be... Less of a dent. Exactly, less of a dent. Still a dent, though. And you don't have to repaint your panel. You just replace the PPF, and that's it. So it'll be cheaper for you to fix it.
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But it's still going to be there.
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Mm-hmm. Okay. We just had a... I mean, you can tell them about it. We just had a customer... Oh, yeah.
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We had a customer come in with a Rivian. We did a WPF about, I want to say, two weeks ago. Okay. He drove it, got hit with a... Pretty big-sized rock.
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Like a ball-sized rock or so.
SPEAKER 22 :
Yeah, and it still cracked the windshield. It went through the WPF, and it cracked the windshield.
SPEAKER 15 :
It made a start on the windshield.
SPEAKER 22 :
Yeah, it made a little start, but, I mean, if he got in here without the WPF, it would have completely shattered the whole thing.
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Another prime example where you'll hear some advertisements for some of these different products, and some of you are thinking, oh, that sounds great. Well, yeah, it sounds great. But if it's not true and it's not going to work, then stay away from that and run. And here's the other thing I would even say. I'm sorry to say this, but if a show like ours is even advertising something along those lines and they're going with that and they don't have enough... wherewithal to say, wait a minute, that doesn't quite sound right. How are you protecting the metal by just doing this coating? And if they're not sharp enough, by the way, to say, wait a minute, no, we're not advertising this. I'll just say it straight up. I don't have much use for that radio show either because if they're allowing that to go on and they're a host of that show and they haven't thought through that process well enough to know that, yeah, no, that's not happening, then I kind of lose all respect for even those folk and anything else they would say at that point in time to me is... is useless because if they don't have enough ability to figure that side of it out, then what else can't they figure out? Straight up honest. I don't know how else to do it, guys. Yeah.
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Because ceramic coating is not going to help against… No, it's going to… I mean, ceramic coating, you've got to keep in mind, ceramic coating is more for… Maintenance. Yeah, maintain your vehicle, the paint of the car, and then it's going to help you when you wash your vehicle. Mm-hmm. It's going to be much easier to watch it and everything.
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And it's going to look better. And I'm living proof. It works. I will tell you straight up that until meeting Roy, didn't know much about the ceramic coating. Roy and Dietze both have taught me a lot. I've seen a lot of how this actually works firsthand. I've experienced it on my own vehicles firsthand. Does it work? Yes, absolutely.
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And here in Colorado, it's going to help you to, you know, all the macular that they put on the roads during the wintertime. So it's going to protect the paint of that. And it makes your car look cleaner in between the storms as well.
SPEAKER 22 :
So none of the products are bulletproof. It does work. Not WPF, none of them are bulletproof.
SPEAKER 14 :
Nope, they all have their limitations. Mark and Wiggins, go ahead.
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Hey, so for my favorite cleaning product is my squeegee that I keep at home. I have one of those little clips for your broom or whatever, and I keep that clip on. So I don't even have to really search around. I just walk over, grab that thing, and use that Fastway window cleaner. I was told years ago... that like Windex products will damage window tint. Is that accurate?
SPEAKER 22 :
Yes.
SPEAKER 14 :
You don't want ammonia.
SPEAKER 10 :
You don't want ammonia on it.
SPEAKER 14 :
And that has ammonia, so yeah, that is correct.
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Okay. So my question is, and I don't know why this happens, and it must be like the patching that they use on the roads, or maybe it's the ceiling. Anyway, so I get this like... splattery or splat of like this oil stuff on the fender behind the wheel.
SPEAKER 14 :
Yeah, it's like an asphalt tar or the product they put down to get the asphalt to stick to it. I don't know the exact name for that. But, yeah, that can get on the car. It's like a tar.
SPEAKER 10 :
How do you get it off? WD-40. I press to wash it.
SPEAKER 14 :
I scrub it with the... WD-40.
SPEAKER 10 :
WD-40, Mark. WD-40.
SPEAKER 14 :
Yeah, because WD-40's got a, and it's a natural-type product. We were talking earlier, Rob from Centennial, talking about the baby oil on the dash and so on being a natural product and so on. WD-40 is very, very similar. It's why it's got a lot of even fish oil and things like that in it to where you're liable to, in some cases, I know my dog, if that drips on the floor, he'll lick it because it's got a nice taste. And no, it's not going to harm him. It won't hurt him one bit. But what's in it is enough that it will literally, Deteriorate or dissolve is the word I'm looking for, Mark. It will dissolve that tar and you just wipe it off.
SPEAKER 10 :
Awesome. Yeah, because I didn't want to use, like, the back end of a scrub brush. No, no, no.
SPEAKER 14 :
And the WD-40 won't hurt the paint because of, again, what it is and just being more of an oily kind of a product. It's not going to bother the paint at all. And also, you know, if you do that enough in certain places and you've waxed it or whatever, you may want to re-wax it. I don't know that it's taking the wax away. And by the way, another thing to get that off easier is keep the car either waxed or ceramic coated either or. Once it's got that surface, you know, that you've coated the surface to where you're now putting a layer between the actual paint and that tar, that also helps getting it off. That's awesome.
SPEAKER 10 :
Thank you so much for the tip. Great.
SPEAKER 14 :
Yep, but WD-40, I always keep two or three cans of that around the shop just for that reason alone. And believe it or not, WD-40 works very well for a lot of different cleaning things, and most people don't think it. Most people use WD-40 the wrong way, by the way. People think of it as an oil, and they're going to oil up their hinges and do this and do that. The problem is because of what I just said and the fact that water can wash WD-40 off very well because it's not going to stay. It doesn't stick. It's not that kind of a product. People use WD-40 as a lubricant. It's not.
SPEAKER 10 :
Right, yeah. No, I don't use it for lubricant. I use, like, a penetrating oil or, like, what is it? Not PB Blaster.
SPEAKER 14 :
Yeah, you need, like, a lithium, you know, oil.
SPEAKER 10 :
Yeah, lithium spray. That's what I use. And, I mean, as far as, like, door hinges, maybe once a year, if that.
SPEAKER 14 :
Yeah, you know, is it a product that will loosen and lubricate, quote-unquote, to a point? Yes, but I think, again, and they'll say it's a lubricant, but the problem with it as a lubricant is it washes off very easily. That's the problem with WD-40.
SPEAKER 10 :
Got it. What about like bugs, like stuck on bugs? WD-40. WD-40. That's what I use.
SPEAKER 14 :
Roy's laughing at me, but that's what I use because it works. No, I use some of the degreaser, too. And, yeah, if you've got a degreaser or something like that around, but a lot of people already have WD-40 sitting around. Just spray it on, and it'll take all that off.
SPEAKER 10 :
Awesome. I'm totally going to try that next time I wash it. Yeah, WD-40 takes the bugs off.
SPEAKER 15 :
Yeah, the bugs. I mean, you can use the foam cannon too. I mean, you spray the soap and leave it there for about a minute and then just wash the car and everything will wash off.
SPEAKER 14 :
It also, but most people don't realize this, it will also take off chewing gum.
SPEAKER 10 :
Oh, there you go. That's a good hint. Yeah, WD-40 will take off gum as well.
SPEAKER 15 :
I'm going to use that on my shoes.
SPEAKER 10 :
I have kids, and sometimes there was a couple years ago when I found a chunk of gum in the corner of the carpet. And I'm like, how in the world is that in there? I had to use scissors. I just cut the carpet.
SPEAKER 14 :
If you use WD-40, it'll come right out. And again, because it will wash back out, just take a little bit of soap and water to wash the WD-40 out, and you're good to go.
SPEAKER 10 :
Bingo. Awesome. Thank you so much. You're welcome, Mark.
SPEAKER 14 :
Appreciate you, man. Thank you very much. Let's take a break. We'll come right back. Mike and John, hang tight, guys. We've got a line open, 303-477-5600. Drive Radio, KLZ 560.
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SPEAKER 14 :
All right, one other tip, too, that I was just talking about during the break that most of you don't know. Speaking of WD-40, and the way that the spray nozzle on top works is it's got that flexible tube now that they make, or you can flip it down and just have a regular spray pattern. that fits the majority of aerosol spray cans that you paint with as well. So if you've got some little tight spot you're trying to paint and you don't want to make a huge mess, take the top off your WD-40, go stick it on top of your aerosol can, spray a little bit of paint through it to get rid of the WD-40, of course, Spray whatever it is you're going to spray. Take the top and go put it back on top of your WD-40, which then, by the way, squirt a little bit of WD-40 through both. Now that nozzle is all clean for the next time you want to use it for paint, and it's not all clogged up. So there's another little trick you can do with your WD-40. Yeah, Roy said that I'm like my big, fat Greek wedding with the Windex. I'm like that with WD-40. So anyways, Mike from Islands Ranch, go ahead.
SPEAKER 06 :
Hey, I have a little anecdotal story, since you're talking about cleaning products, that you folks might find interesting. A number of years ago, we worked with the big chemical conglomerate in Germany, BASF, on several projects. And the Mr. Clean foam... little bricks that people use.
SPEAKER 14 :
Magic eraser. Magic eraser.
SPEAKER 06 :
Magic eraser. That was discovered by BASF by accident.
SPEAKER 14 :
Really?
SPEAKER 06 :
I didn't know that. They make all the foam for most manufacturers' dashes, seats, because that's a chemical product that's right up their alley. So talking to one of the senior VPs during the time, they were working in a lab. The lab was a mess. They told the guy, you've got to clean this up. He grabbed some pieces of foam and started, you know, scrubbing with it. And it took all kinds of stuff off. It was amazing. And this was dashboard foam. interesting so they discovered it by accident totally by accident so when they mentioned it to a couple of their clients i think procter and gamble some others they manufacture a lot of chemicals for pretty much everything that requires chemicals right uh and they said this is what we got what do you want to do so they ended up with a profit center that has been an absolute and total accident. Wow. So when you're using that magic eraser, that's the same stuff in your dashboard.
SPEAKER 14 :
I did not know that. I learned another new thing today.
SPEAKER 06 :
Oh, I was fascinated by it, and he just laughed. He says... Who knew? We didn't know.
SPEAKER 14 :
That is amazing. I had no idea. I did know that you can buy that melamine foam if you don't want to spend all the money on a magic eraser. You could just go buy a big chunk of melamine foam and cut your own magic eraser out and save a bunch of money. I did know that.
SPEAKER 06 :
Yeah, well, it's like I say, they manufacture an awful lot of foam for particularly European car manufacturers in their dashes and their doors and their seats and i mean and they did do different densities etc etc but that particular product was a complete and total out of the blue accident amazing who knew go figure kind of a fun story it is no that's awesome mike thank you i did not know that that's a great story thank you by the way you bet all right man have a good one let's go to john go ahead
SPEAKER 11 :
Yeah, I got a curiosity question. You mentioned a while ago about the value of trucks are doing really good on selling. I had a nephew years ago ask me about a 78 Ford truck, and I said, buy it. It's the easiest thing to work on and the amount of money they wanted. I told him, you can't go wrong. You got me curious. You were saying that What do you think on the demand on an old 78 Ford and the prices of old trucks like that? What do you think the market is for those?
SPEAKER 14 :
They're going to continue to go up. So if you can buy any of those at the right price or if anybody has any of those, don't dump them off. You're better off keeping those. And, yes, there's always a cost, I know, to keeping vehicles, John. But as time goes by, they're going to do nothing but increase. I mean, let me just say this. Will they flatten out at some point? Yes. Are we anywhere close to that time? No.
SPEAKER 11 :
And they're in high demand, are they?
SPEAKER 14 :
Right now they are.
SPEAKER 11 :
Okay. Yeah, I'll recommend my nephew not to sell it out. Do not sell it.
SPEAKER 14 :
Any of those earlier Fords, even, John, even old International Scouts, which, sorry if you're a Scout lover, they were pieces of crap, literally. There's not a good Scout made, in my opinion, and they're bringing money.
SPEAKER 11 :
I thought those were hard to get parts for, aren't they?
SPEAKER 14 :
They are. They're pieces of junk, if you ask me. Sorry. I know I'm stepping on some scout lover's toes, but they are garbage, and yet they are bringing a bunch of money today.
SPEAKER 11 :
Okay. Yeah, thanks. I'll recommend my nephew. Yeah, just keep it.
SPEAKER 14 :
Just keep it. Thank you, sir. All right, John. Appreciate you very much. We'll be right back. Jeff, hang tight. Don't go anywhere. We'll be right back. Drive Radio, KLZ 560.
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SPEAKER 08 :
What's going on? How are you? Very good.
SPEAKER 14 :
How are you?
SPEAKER 08 :
Good, good. So a little trick on the, yeah, just washing up cars again out here on the west side a little bit today, so that's good. A trick on the big bugs. I'll tell you what they're selling us at the, you know, at the supply house for the auto detailers or whatever. It's a big old brick. It's basically kind of like the magic eraser. But it's, you know what I'm talking about. It's the stuff that when it's dry, boy, it turns into like a brick and it's the real open cell kind of foam plastic, kind of a plasticky version of that, you know what I mean? And when you get it wet with the warmer water and stuff, boy, then it gets real pliable and it's a, And that works real well on the... I wonder if they're just using a larger melamine square versus the Magic Eraser.
SPEAKER 14 :
Because the Magic Eraser kind of has some texture to it, and it's got kind of a fancier look. I wonder if they're just using straight-up melamine they're cutting out or something.
SPEAKER 08 :
It's the real open set. You'll see it. I bought one the other day even. It's washing dishes. It has the little happy face. It's like a little happy face. Oh, Scrub Daddy.
SPEAKER 14 :
You can put utensils through it. Scrub Daddy.
SPEAKER 08 :
The Scrub Daddies. Okay, is that what they call it? Yeah. And they're real? Yeah, and they work. It's that stuff. Okay. But they just sell it in like a four-inch.
SPEAKER 14 :
Okay, yeah, they're just selling you a bigger Scrub Daddy.
SPEAKER 08 :
Yep, yep, and that, I'll tell you what, with a little warm bucket of water. Yeah. You know what I mean? Boy, you can take off the hardest core Oklahoman's truck, whatever. Have you ever tried WD-40? You know, no.
SPEAKER 14 :
I'm being serious because literally you don't hardly even scrub. And I'm not exaggerating. You can spray those dang bugs, Jeff, and you hardly even have to scrub when you're done.
SPEAKER 08 :
Maybe I just have PTSD.
SPEAKER 14 :
Now, here's the key. If they're really those big old, I know the bugs you're talking about, grasshoppers, those sorts of things, you've got to spray the WD-40 on. Let it sit for just a little bit. You can't wash it right off, but you let that sit for a little bit. Take a spray wash to it, and it'll take it all right off.
SPEAKER 08 :
All right.
SPEAKER 14 :
I hate scrubbing, so I cheat wherever I can.
SPEAKER 08 :
It just brings me back to one time when I was a kid. I went to college. And I had tree sap on my car, right? I had a little car that mom and dad helped get, right? You know what I mean? And I called my grandma, where she was like, oh, use a little gas. You know what I mean? And so I put some gas, and it worked. But then here I was. I remember I called my old man at the shop, and I'm like, I got gas all over the car, and I can't get the gas off. You know what I mean? And he's like, why the heck? You know what I mean? So I don't know. I'm very leery of... using any kind of petroleum stuff sometimes. Actually, WD-40.
SPEAKER 14 :
You guys are going to laugh. WD-40 will take the sap off, too. Windex? No, because it's like the tar, Jeff. It's a similar deal. If it takes the tar off, it'll take the tree sap off, also. You're laughing at me. I will. They're all laughing at me because WD-40 is a fix for everything, but it will take the sap off.
SPEAKER 08 :
I will. I'll give it a try. I think I bought... They got some stuff. What is it? It's the... Oh, it's from Kent Automotive. Let me look at it. Akersol. Akersol.
SPEAKER 14 :
Never heard of it. Akersol.
SPEAKER 08 :
Akersol.
SPEAKER 14 :
Is it with a K or a C?
SPEAKER 08 :
A-C-R-Y-S-O-L. Akersol. And they use that on paint. It's real easy on paint. Oh, yeah. Yeah, yeah. I see it. I'm going to spray that with Akersol just because I know it's not... You know, whatever. It's not going to hurt the pain or whatever. Right. Yeah. Interesting.
SPEAKER 14 :
You know what? I have used that before. It's been years ago, though. Now that you mention that, yes, I have used that in the past. Sure. It's a degreaser as well, if I'm not mistaken, right?
SPEAKER 08 :
Right. It comes in a can with, like, the really, and it comes out like a needle. You know what I mean? A little old-school can.
SPEAKER 14 :
Yep. I've used it. It's been a long time. I didn't recognize the can, but they've changed the color of it. But, yes, I recognize it now.
SPEAKER 08 :
You've got a real expensive car, and you've got a sticker or whatever, something that you want to get off. That's not going to hurt the paint.
SPEAKER 14 :
I agree. All right. Cool, man.
SPEAKER 08 :
Good to talk to you, buddy.
SPEAKER 14 :
Good stuff, man. Appreciate you, Jeff. Take care. Chris and Centennial, you're next. Go ahead.
SPEAKER 07 :
Hi, Deetza and John. Hey, how are you, Chris? How's our Porsche?
SPEAKER 14 :
Oh, okay.
SPEAKER 07 :
Yes.
SPEAKER 22 :
You've got an appointment coming up.
SPEAKER 07 :
I've got a question. Yes, Wednesday. Yes.
SPEAKER 14 :
Oh, cool.
SPEAKER 07 :
My car's been sitting for a couple months. It's dusty, very little dirt, but do I need to wash it before I bring it to you?
SPEAKER 22 :
No.
SPEAKER 07 :
No.
SPEAKER 22 :
Just bring it as is. Good.
SPEAKER 07 :
Thank you. Thank you. I didn't want to have to wash it in the next day or two.
SPEAKER 22 :
No, you're good.
SPEAKER 07 :
All right. Well, I agree that ceramic coating does make it clean a lot easier.
SPEAKER 14 :
Yeah, night and day. Night and day. And your 911 is gorgeous, as you know. Really quick, side note, Chris, because I've seen some of these go through auction of late. What do you think the value of that car is today?
SPEAKER 07 :
I'm guessing 75.
SPEAKER 14 :
What year is it again? I can't remember. I'm sorry.
SPEAKER 1 :
84. 84?
SPEAKER 14 :
I think one went through Mecham that brought more than that.
SPEAKER 15 :
I was going to say that. You got to look into that because I think it's more than 74. I hear some people that came to my shop and saw your car, and they were talking about on the 200th.
SPEAKER 14 :
I'd have to go back and look at the sheets, Chris. I know that car brought over 100 at Mecham. I was thinking of you when I saw that car rolling through because it looked very similar to yours.
SPEAKER 07 :
Actually, was it a convertible?
SPEAKER 14 :
Yes.
SPEAKER 07 :
Well, I consider it a Condition 2 vehicle.
SPEAKER 14 :
Yours is pretty darn good, Chris. Really nice. Yeah, yours is, I mean, yours is very, very, I mean, compared to a lot of these you even see at auction, yours can hold its own very well.
SPEAKER 07 :
All right, well, the only other thing I need to do to it now is dry ice cleaning.
SPEAKER 14 :
I was just looking into that.
SPEAKER 07 :
What's your opinion on that?
SPEAKER 14 :
I like it. If more people knew about it, I think more would use it. It works extremely well, especially for guys that are doing collector-type cars. You're trying to get everything all cleaned off so you can prep that surface for paint and really get things dialed in. Yeah, I think it works extremely well. And the cool thing about it is you don't have any mess left over.
SPEAKER 07 :
I know.
SPEAKER 14 :
That's the best thing about it. Versus some of the guys using walnut shells and this, that, and the other. I mean, the thing about the dry ice is there's nothing left over.
SPEAKER 07 :
Right. Yep, it's pretty.
SPEAKER 14 :
No, I like it very well, Chris. I think it's, if more people knew about it, I think you'd see it used more often. I think the other issue that I think some of the guys might have on the dry ice side is, you know, if you're going to be doing that, you've got to have a supply. Then you need a freezer, you know, locally to even keep your supply in. And I think there's a little logistical things to do. But once guys get that figured out, I don't know why more don't use it.
SPEAKER 07 :
All right. Well, we'll see the price come down.
SPEAKER 14 :
That's my thought.
SPEAKER 07 :
All right. Well, I'll see you Wednesday, Dietze.
SPEAKER 22 :
We'll see you then.
SPEAKER 14 :
All right, Chris. Appreciate you, man. All right. Take care. All right. We'll take a little early break. We'll come back. We have a nice long segment here for our last segment. Again, Roy and Dietze both from ProTech Auto Shield with us. We'll be right back. Drive Radio, KLZ 560.
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Hey. Cleaning product I absolutely love for chrome or pop metal, stuff like that, is Wenol. It's W-E-N-O-L. Man, it cleans up all those surfaces super fast. Way better than, like, Mother's Polish or any of those.
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Oh, yeah, okay, yeah. Now that I see the can or the tube or whatever, I see that. Yeah, okay, definitely. Yeah, makes sense.
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Yeah. I use the red. It, you know, makes chrome bumpers look brand new. The only thing you cannot use it on is, like, gold-plated.
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Like a pot metal?
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emblems or something like that yeah it will take the gold plating off like it was never there yeah so it's it's got some causticness to it is what you're saying well yeah a little bit but it uh it'll polish up like i got a buddy that drives over the road and he's got polished tanks he keeps on his semi and he started using that um and he doesn't have to clean his tanks nearly as much as he used to when he used the the mothers okay because it just kind of seals stuff up So I really do like that. You just have to be careful if it's cheap plating because it will take that cheap plating off.
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Okay.
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And then I also had some more things for WD-40. Okay. So if you're one that has mud flaps or, you know, you've got a car that builds up those big icebergs in the snow, you spray some WD-40 on your mud flaps or in the back edge of your wheel well.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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they won't build up like that. It just falls off. So it keeps snow from – if you've got anywhere that you've got – like if you've got a trailer you're pulling and you've got under bracing that the snow builds up on real bad, spray some WD-40 on that, and it'll keep it from happening.
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Basically, you're putting a barrier there.
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Yeah. We use it on our doors for our trucks because they slide.
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Uh-huh.
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and they freeze up in the wintertime. But if you spray the track with a WD-40 before the snowstorm, it keeps it from happening.
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Maybe I should do a show here one of these days on what all do you use WD-40 for.
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Oh, man. Arthritis. Good one, Russ. Good one. Love it. But, yeah, it's great for keeping snow from building up, right, building up underneath your trailer or whatever if you're driving.
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Good to know.
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Yeah. All right. All right, man.
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Appreciate you very much. Russ, have a great rest of your weekend. David, go ahead.
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Yeah, first of all, I'd just like to say I met a tech yesterday, and he has a lot of tech friends, mechanic friends, and I told him to listen to your show, and I always do that when I meet someone like that. Thank you. You know, let him know, and, yeah, hopefully he's listening. I appreciate that. Yeah, you bet. And I, yeah, there we go again, because I want to... Use your sponsors. And so I need the number to the new tech guy that you have.
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Oh, for Brian.
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Hang on.
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Let me get it for you really quick. Hold on one second. I've got it handy. 303-995-9336. And that's David. David, that is Brian Weary from Ease My Pain IT Services.
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Okay, great. And could I call him today? Absolutely.
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Brian's a great guy. He'll talk to anybody anytime. He's a great guy.
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Okay. And then does he do like house calls and setting up such security and this and that?
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It depends on your network configuration, how many machines you have and all that. Just call him and have a talk with him.
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Okay, great. Thank you so much.
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You're very welcome, David. No, appreciate you very much. And, yep, that's a brand-new sponsor of ours. It's Ease My Pain IT Services, and his specialty is really helping out small businesses or large personal users where you've got a larger network and things going on, some of you guys that work from home and so on, or like these guys here at ProTech where they've got all different kinds of machines and plotters and different things and everything has to talk to one another and work correctly and so on. Brian does all of that, including the cybersecurity end of things, all the networking stuff, how well is your Internet connection working, is it protected, all those different things Brian does, all of that. So, you know what, as far as back to WD-40, yeah, I think at some point in time I will actually, because I was looking at something else because I wondered about this. I've never tried this, and that is will WD-40 take off the oil stains in the pavement? I've never tried it for that, so I thought I'm just going to look it up and see. Because it'll take it out of cloth, seats, and things like that. You can spray WD-40 where you've got an oil stain or something, and believe it or not, it'll pull all that oil out. You can scrub it again with a little bit of soap and water, and it'll take the WD-40 out and still remove the rest of that. I'm going to try it and see if it'll take out an oil spot. I think it would.
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Yeah, let's see why not.
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I think it'll lift it up enough where you could then scrub it off. And just scrub it or wash it off. And then off you go. So there you go. So, yeah, so all of you listening, you've heard the testimonials even from some of you calling in today, the ceramic coating. And, folks, I cannot tell you enough that for some of you that either have really nice exotic type cars that you want to protect, get them ceramic coated. If you've got a daily driver that you really like to have look nice, like myself, even your washings in between just become that much easier, faster. I mean, I'm getting to the point now where if I can ceramic coat anything, I'm doing it because of just how well it works. It's almost like WD-40. Yeah. Do they sell that in gallons? WD-40? They sell it in, like, five gallons. Yeah, I think they do.
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Okay.
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I'm going to buy it. It's funny, but no, in all seriousness, yes, that particular product, the ceramic coat, and one thing we didn't talk much about today is, and I've seen some advertisements for this of late on some of the social media, Facebook, TikTok, Instagram, and so on. There's some guys out there advertising that you buy this European formulated ceramic coating, it comes in a bottle, spray it on, wipe it off, you're set. no, you're not. No, you're not. It doesn't work that way. So even some of these advertisements that you see for some of this quote-unquote spray-on product comes in a spray bottle, I can just tell you right now, again, going back to the whole process of how it's applied and done and so on, ceramic coating done correctly, and you guys can chime in here, but it's a complete process. Got to paint correct first. Yes. Got to get everything all dialed in. Any high spots, low spots, things like that that are in the paint, you want to correct all of that, get all that out of the way first. Anything you need to touch up, get handled, done, got to do all that as well. Once that's all completed, you then can ceramic coat, right?
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Yes, ceramic coating is the last thing in the process.
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And I don't know that I know this answer. How long – I know it's going to vary on the size of the car and so on, but how long is just a single application of ceramic coating? How long does that take? Because you're sponging it all on, right? Yes. Essentially.
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It could take about – I mean, let's say we're talking about a four-door sedan. Just for the first layer – You were talking about an hour, two hours?
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Hour to two. Hour to two.
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Hour and a half, two hours, yeah.
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Giving you guys an example of if you see a commercial where you just spray on and wipe off and it's that fast, that's more like a temporary wax that you're putting on the car.
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Yeah, it's going to be very diluted, ceramic.
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Yeah, now what I'll tell you is now some of the tests you'll see to where they then put on some water and you watch it bead up and so on. Will it do all of that? Will the water bead? Of course, because you just put something on it. Now the question is come back a week later and what does that actually look like at that point? It's not going to be the same. I'll just tell you straight up. It's just not going to be the same. It's not a real ceramic coating like what you guys are doing.
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And then the preparation is key for everything. You know what I mean? So, I mean, the paint correction, everything has to be done properly. Right. So the ceramic coating will bond to the paint.
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Okay.
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To the clear coat.
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So it's not just that we want to get the paint all corrected so it looks well. We're doing that so the ceramic coating bonds correctly also, right?
SPEAKER 22 :
Yes. So the ceramic coating bonds to the clear coat.
SPEAKER 14 :
It's a molecular bond when it's all said and done, right?
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So if there's oil or anything in between, it's not going to allow it to bond correctly.
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Okay. How often, I know we talk about this, but we get listeners that chime in differently on a show-by-show basis. How often should that be redone and or touched up? Now, if you do ceramic coating, it's your daily driver. You might even be somebody that periodically goes through a car wash because you don't have time to stop and wash it and so on. Roughly how often should that be readdressed?
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So once you get the ceramic coating done, we do have an aftercare product that it's essentially kind of like a spray-on ceramic, which is really diluted. So every time you wash your car, you can just finish off with that. Okay. But you do have to bring your car back with us to us every year for yearly maintenance.
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So once a year, bring it back, which I did on the truck not long ago. So you're looking at everything and getting it all dialed back in and so on.
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So we watch the vehicle and we look at the coating, the performance of the coating. Okay. You know what I mean? At the moment. Right. And then we decide. That gives you an idea of what you need to do at that point. Exactly. Yeah. But you probably, we don't have to do anything. You know what I mean?
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At least you're checking it to determine what the scoop is and all of that. Yeah.
SPEAKER 22 :
Because you got to keep in mind that you're wearing that coating. You're wearing it down. Right.
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And there's a lot of what I was going to say is there's a lot of going back to the ceramic coating will protect against hail. There's a lot of guys out there, too, that will say, put this on. You've got a five-year guarantee. Well, maybe, maybe not. There's certain things that will need to be done on that particular car depending upon how you drive, where you drive, how often you wash, where you park, inside, outside, all these different factors. You can't just make a blanket statement and say, yep, guaranteed five years. You can't really do that. Am I right?
SPEAKER 22 :
You're right.
SPEAKER 14 :
Yeah, no, you're right.
SPEAKER 15 :
It depends on the customer. It depends on the car. I mean, the way you treat your car. And color, right?
SPEAKER 14 :
Yeah, and color. Black, for example, is going to be way different than white. Oh, yeah.
SPEAKER 12 :
Exactly.
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So a lot of that has to come into play. And anybody that's making these blanket statements that you will guarantee it for X, well, the next thing you've got to ask is, are you going to be here in five years? Because, no offense, some of these companies that do this stuff are there today, gone tomorrow, and they may not even be around in five years to warranty what you just spent good money having done, where that's not the case with ProTech. You guys are going to be around for a long time, so I want to make sure of that. Anyways, appreciate you guys listening today. Again, Roy and Dietze, both from ProTech Auto Shield. Dietze, one more time, what's your phone number?
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It's 303-423-2841.
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Larry Unger answering phones as well. Charlie Grimes, our engineer. Guys, have a fabulous weekend. Enjoy, and make sure you get all your chores done because it's going to be really nice here in the coming weeks. So we'll talk to you next week. You guys have a great week. Drive Radio, KLZ 560.
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All right, Drive Radio, KLZ 560. Myself, Ken Rackley, Tune Tech Automotive with us today. Patch Knight from Alltech Automotive up in Fort Collins. Good morning, guys. Hey, good morning, John. Good morning, Ken. We picked a good day to join us. Yeah, beautiful day.
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That's right.
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Thanks for taking your time today and being with us. Larry Unger answering phones today as well. And, of course, Charlie Grimes, our engineer. So any questions you've got? automotive-related, or if you want to continue on from what we were doing on Fix It Radio, be my guest, 303-477-5600. Don't forget the text line, 307-200-8222. Again, 307-200-8222. One thing I want to add really quick to Fix It Radio, because a lot of you are probably still listening, and this is something I failed to mention. Smoke alarms, and I believe most of these alarms that we talked about in the last hour, are made with a plastic that when they start to turn yellow, the plastic itself, it's time to toss it and put a new one up. So if you're looking up at a detector and it's all nasty and yellow and it looks like it's an almond color, that wasn't how it looked originally. It is meant to turn color when it needs replaced. They've built that into the plastic itself. So when it turns colors like that or when it starts to change into that fade-out whatever, that's the time to actually replace that detector.
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That is so good to know.
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Which I did not know until about a year or so ago. Wow.
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Yeah, that's so good to know.
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Just a little help for our friends. Just a little tip. So if they're not nice and shiny and white, and you'll notice as time goes by, it'll start to just slowly deteriorate and change color. And the reason it's doing that is they're made that way so that they lose their functionality, their calibration probably, I'm guessing, things along those lines, and it's time to make a change. So by all means, do so. I'm going to check them this afternoon.
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Yeah.
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It's a good day to do it.
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Yeah, because I know I've, you know, I mean, when we did the remodel, of course, we replaced everything. You know, but not the upstairs ones. But I know I've had to replace some of those because they've just failed, started beeping or whatever for no reason.
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And some of them will do that as well. So that's another kind of telltale sign. But in a lot of cases, those of you listening, you can just look at the color of one.
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Yeah.
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And if it's getting that really, you guys know what I mean by that. It almost gets chalky. Yeah, sure. It starts to get that flaky, chalkiness even, too. It gets really yellow. Yeah, it's time to toss that thing and get a new one and put a new one in.
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Yeah, and this one's brown by now, so it's the original, I'm sure, from the house.
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I've seen some like that. So, yeah, don't feel bad. Yeah. All right, question of the day. This came from a listener, by the way. Actually sent this in after the show last week, and I'm like, yep, I will definitely use that one. That's actually a pretty good question of the day. We haven't talked about this one for a while, and we'll get into even a few things that this particular listener was asking about car reliability, brand reliability, J.D. Powers, consumer reports, and so on. So we can get into some of that today as well. But question of the day is, what's the most reliable vehicle you've ever owned. So what is the most reliable vehicle you've ever owned? That's the question of the day. 303-477-5600. And I know that's going to be a little different for everyone. Some of you might even be surprised at what some of these answers are because sometimes vehicles get a really bad rap. That aren't that bad of a vehicle. Right. Correct. Does that make sense?
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Yeah. We've seen vehicles that have total issues just ongoing, just continual issues, I guess. But other...
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of that same vehicle model whatever don't right you know we've had vehicles that have like a curse on them basically right well and then what you have to wonder and this is where i always come from this this is where it really gets tough with even some of the jd power consumer reports and we'll talk about some of this because this is a great question i have a couple of paragraphs that this particular listener wrote to me asking some of these questions because i think there's a lot of of how should i say this information along these lines that can either get skewed. Sure. It can be skewed even by the people that are putting the reports together. In other cases, they can just take raw data, and you've got to be really careful of raw data because who is the owner, how well do they maintain said vehicle, on and on we go. And I'll get into some of those examples a little bit later. But, yeah, in some cases, Kent, I always wondered, Is it really? Is it the you know, for example, did the Did the person buy the wrong vehicle for what they're doing with it on a daily basis? So I'll give you an example. I know this from back when we had our shops and we did a lot of truck, four-wheel drive work, things like that. That was our specialty. We worked on everything. But our specialty was the four-wheel drive, truck market end of things. And, for example, if a construction guy or even a RVer, bought a half-ton truck, you know, a 1500 series truck, to do the work of what should have been a three-quarter ton or one-ton truck, well, of course, the maintenance and the repairs and what we were doing on that half-ton series truck was going to be much higher than that of its three-quarter ton counterpart because the person bought the wrong truck to begin with.
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Yeah.
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And that wasn't the truck's fault. The truck needs to work all the time. Right. Exactly. And you guys, you're agreeing because you've seen it the same way. In other words, it wasn't the truck's fault and it wasn't a bad truck.
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Yeah.
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You could take that truck and go give that to anybody else that's not abusing it. Right. And it would probably be just fine. But because this particular person didn't buy the right vehicle in the first place, all of a sudden now they're mad at the truck. It's not the truck's fault. Right. Right. Exactly.
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Yeah, it's being beyond its maximum ability.
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Yeah, I think you're kind of hitting on a lot of vehicles are purpose-built, and as long as you use it for the right purpose in which it's intended, you'll be fine.
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Well, and, Pat, I think what you just said is very true, something that, frankly – Very, very few salespeople, by the way, will ever tell you what Pat just said. Every vehicle is actually purpose-built.
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That half-ton, that'll tow that 30,000-pound camper just fine. You already have the truck. Yeah, you can just buy the camper.
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When you walk across that driveway and you say, I like the red one, they will sell you the red one.
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Yes, exactly. And to Pat's point, every vehicle is purpose-built for either a segment of the market to do certain things with. And in a lot of cases, no, there's not a lot of crossover. When you take a small-sized SUV that's really a four-passenger with some cargo room, it's designed most likely, in that case, frankly, it's not even designed for four people. It's designed for mainly one to two people to be in the majority of the time. You occasionally might put somebody in the back seat. You've got all the cargo capacity. But honestly, folks, that vehicle is designed for a family of two in most cases. Now, they're not always used that way. Sure. In a lot of cases, there will be a family of three to five that are actually using it. And that is the wrong use of that particular vehicle. And depending upon how loaded it is all of the time is my point. Yeah. You may have more issues than that person that's a one- or two-person family.
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One that's got a Class 5 hitch on it, so you can put that camper behind it, too, you know, with all that.
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As we head down the stretch to Memorial Day, yes, then you are correct. You are correct.
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Just stay in the right lane.
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yes we can do a whole show on towing which i probably should in the near future because me living not far from i-70 i literally see in the summer months especially i see it all and there are times where i literally am i'm shaking my head saying you know that should not be allowed on the road the way it is yep that is a very uh underperformed vehicle hauling of a trailer that shouldn't be on the back of it period whatsoever yeah Exactly. I don't care if it's a U-Haul or a camper trailer or whatever.
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It doesn't matter. If the load weighs more than the vehicle, that could be trouble.
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Unless it's all set up correctly on the front side with the truck and so on. Absolutely, Pat. No, you're 100% correct. So, again, the question of the day is the most reliable vehicle that you've ever owned. And for some of you, we may be even going back in time, I should say, because for some of you, you may have had a great vehicle back in the day that all you did was – change spark plugs, put oil in it, change oil and drove it, and it could have been something from the 50s or 60s. Whatever. Just give us what your most reliable vehicle is. That is a question of the day. Lines are open, 303-477-5600. We'll get into some of the most reliable brands and things like that. There's actually, of course, Consumer Reports, J.D. Power. We'll get into some of that as well. On top of all of that, yes, I will get into talking about some of the potential, and I put air quotes around potential, potential price increases that may come from some of the tariffs and things along those lines. The auto industry is big for buying things all over the world to build cars. I'll explain some of that also so that if you're in some place getting a vehicle looked at and they come back with you and say, you know, this price is good for today or for this week only, Which, by the way, if they're not telling you that, they should be because, frankly, they won't know what prices next week will be. So they should be telling you this price is good for this time frame only because next week it may be completely different. We'll get into some of that today as well. Drive Radio, KLZ 560.
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SPEAKER 1 :
Thank you.
SPEAKER 04 :
All right, we are back, Drive Radio, KLZ 560. So, again, question of the day, the most reliable vehicle that you have owned, and I would have to go back in my memory banks. This one just always comes to mind, and I think just because the era of these particular trucks, because of the way they were set up, they were throttle body fuel injected, but I'll be the straight-up first person to say that I owned a... 1990, Chevy extended cab short box truck back in the day. It was a six lug, but it was considered a three quarter ton truck, but it was still a heavy half basically. And I will tell you straight up, one of the Most reliable vehicles. Crazy. Nice. That I think I ever owned. Probably one of the longest owned vehicles because typically I roll through vehicles fairly quickly and always have. But that particular vehicle I kept for quite some time. Yeah. And that was one of those vehicles that you basically did maintenance services needed. Yep. And drove it.
SPEAKER 10 :
Yeah.
SPEAKER 05 :
And I never had a lick of problem. You said 90, so that was on a heavy half. Is that a straight axle front end or it's independent?
SPEAKER 03 :
No, it's independent. Independent.
SPEAKER 05 :
Yeah, all those were independent at that point.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah. Huh. Yeah. Yeah.
SPEAKER 04 :
Was it stock or was it modified? Never did much to it at all. I plowed snow with it for the longest time, which, by the way, is not easy on a vehicle. Plowing snow is hard on a vehicle.
SPEAKER 06 :
Oh, it beats on them a little bit.
SPEAKER 04 :
So even with it being a plow truck and all of that, it's still one of the most reliable vehicles as far as that goes, I think, I've ever owned. You just got in it, fired it up, it ran, you hardly did anything to it, and off it went.
SPEAKER 10 :
Right.
SPEAKER 04 :
And that throttle body injection back then, they didn't make a lot of power. By then, the automatic overdrive transmissions, the 700R4s had been all figured out and were pretty robust at that point in time.
SPEAKER 06 :
Except for the sunshell that would come apart, but other than that.
SPEAKER 04 :
And that particular unit had the heavier rear diff. It didn't have the normal 10-bolt differential in the back, so it had a little bit heavier differential. Nice. But as far as all of that goes, it was one of the most reliable. I mean, I hauled horses with that thing. We went hunting. I did snow plowing. I mean, you name it, I did. I mean, that truck worked really hard for being basically a heavy half-ton truck. And it never once ever left me high and dry. I love that. Yep. Ever. Ever. So that's kind of the thing that we're asking is, give us what one of your most reliable vehicles was or is, might even be a vehicle today. Now, I will say this, and I get a few people that disagree with me on this. I'm not really sure why because the statistics will show you that I am correct. There are a few exceptions, yes, to every single rule, but vehicles today, Larry and I were talking about this before even coming on air today, even back then with that truck, still had a bag of tools in the truck that you carried with you all the time no matter what just because you had it with you. Yeah, exactly. Did I ever use them? No, but I always have. That's just who you are too. Yeah, and that's just who I am. I still do that. Don't need to. But really, the need today to carry a tool bag to go coast to coast on pretty much any new modern vehicle, do you need that anymore, guys?
SPEAKER 06 :
Well, what would you take? I mean, so this is what – Duct tape. This is what – Cell phone. Cell phone, yeah. I mean, so a lot of times when we go out of state – or, well, 99% of the time when we go out of state or on a longer trip – We're hauling a trailer. We're hauling something else, something heavy.
SPEAKER 05 :
Oh, sure.
SPEAKER 06 :
So I'll take my impact. I'll take sockets for the trailer, you know, whatever.
SPEAKER 05 :
Make sure you've got jacks and spare tires.
SPEAKER 06 :
Exactly. You know, and screwdriver, pair of pliers, you know, you never know what's going to happen. You hit a coyote, you're going to have to cut a fender off or something like that.
SPEAKER 05 :
Yes, exactly.
SPEAKER 06 :
You know, it's, you know, just something.
SPEAKER 05 :
But you're not worried about doing a roadside repair necessarily.
SPEAKER 06 :
Well, you would not have anything to do that repair if it was, yeah, something like that. So, yeah.
SPEAKER 05 :
You're not taking your scan tool?
SPEAKER 04 :
I mean, I guess you could, but for the average person even, I mean, you might have a code reader or something with you, but even then, what are you going to come up with?
SPEAKER 06 :
Yeah, right. Something you can't do anyway on the road. And is it that necessary if it's flashing? I mean, you could pull into an auto parts store and they can, you know, be able to scan it for you. So, yeah, exactly. But I did. So last year we were up. And this is camping, so it's not just traveling. I mean, you know, we camp out where there's no cell service and stuff. But one of the people in the campground could not get their awning in, so they could not leave. Yep. They lost power to half their vehicle, and I'm like... I had jumper wires, but that's something that, what do you do? So if I had a test light that I could see what has power. So I found one that's pretty cool. It was inexpensive. I throw it in the camper. I have it with me. It shows voltage. I can apply voltage. I can apply ground. So it's something that is good for somebody with... a skill set like that yes if you've got an electrical problem you can diagnose yes and maybe potentially at least retract that awning or something like that that's exactly what we ended up finding nice we were able to get it in for her and she was able to take off but yeah just you know little things that over time you run into that it's like hey doesn't cost much just throw it in the camper doesn't take up space so i got a couple text messages in on some reliable vehicles
SPEAKER 04 :
One is, somebody said, my 80 Chevy 4x4 plow truck. Yeah, you know, actually, the 80s were actually pretty solid. They were carbureted. It was probably the only downside to those. But even then, as long as you kept those up and maintained them, you could pretty much hop in them any time and... Fire them up and go, and the 80s were actually a really good – that was a good year, actually, for those trucks. They changed the body style in 81, of course, but those 80s were an actual – and right now – Yeah, they're getting a lot of those.
SPEAKER 05 :
Yeah, they're going to be worth some money. Well, that was the end of the era, so they had a lot of kinks worked out.
SPEAKER 06 :
From 71 to 80, they had the same –
SPEAKER 04 :
Everything was the same. 73 to 80. 73 to 80. 73 to 80. And for a lot of you listening, the 72 and older really went up in value years ago. Now the 73 to 80s and even the 81 to 87s are actually getting to be worth some money as well now. Right, which is basically the same truck with a different body style, like you pointed out. It's amazing that they're bringing the kind of money that they're bringing.
SPEAKER 06 :
And me personally, what did they have, 112 horsepower or something out of those 305s?
SPEAKER 04 :
210 or 205s. And actually, no, I think the 305s, the 350s had, I think, 210. Don't quote me on that. I think it was around there, 180 to 210. And the 305s were not much more than that, 160 or so. They were pretty gutless. Yeah, exactly. And you push on the gas, it's like, okay, are we going? Yeah. literally when are we going to get there yeah literally they have that rugged look if they have a small lift well 33 inch tire and to your point uh pat what's happened on those today is there's no such thing as a you know i mean there are but no one cares if their original numbers match no no that's no value you could have dropped a 383 stroke random sure As long as the body and interior and all of that is in great condition, they are bringing really solid money.
SPEAKER 05 :
What do they call those? Square body?
SPEAKER 04 :
Square body, yeah.
SPEAKER 05 :
In the 80, was that before the 700 or 400? So that's a three-speed automatic. They were the 350s or 400s, one of the two.
SPEAKER 06 :
They had the 350 lock-up or something at that point.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah.
SPEAKER 06 :
Just the lock-up converter. And a four-speed, one of the two. Right. Exactly.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah. The next one that came in was most reliable vehicle in this case was a 2005 Honda Element with the K engine. It was a VTEC. Nice. However, it could have had a little bit more horsepower, back to what we're talking about now, but still a daily driver at 253,000 miles. Yeah. So, yeah, that's exactly what we're asking is what do you consider to be a reliable vehicle? And, by the way, those elements may not have looked very good. They weren't the most good-looking of vehicles. But I tell you what, functionality-wise, hard to beat. Oh, my gosh. You can fit straw hay bales in the back of that. There's a lot of room in them. Yeah, exactly. There's a lot of room in them.
SPEAKER 06 :
Yeah, exactly.
SPEAKER 04 :
All right, Mark in Denver, you're up. Go ahead. How are you gentlemen doing today? Good.
SPEAKER 08 :
How are you, sir?
SPEAKER 04 :
Good morning, Mark.
SPEAKER 08 :
Well, interesting thing that's going to happen pretty soon. First, I'll go to the favorite vehicle, 66 Suburban Powerglide 2.3 barn doors, 325,000 miles. Nice.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah, and that's that era that, Mark, I was talking about, that they're tough to beat.
SPEAKER 08 :
Yeah.
SPEAKER 06 :
Wow. You know, a lot of truck chassis are, yeah, exactly.
SPEAKER 04 :
They work very well.
SPEAKER 08 :
The floor let loose underneath my seat in the springtime. I got some sheet metal, roofing tar, and Pop River. There you go. Back down the road.
SPEAKER 05 :
You bet. We don't want to be dragging our toes in the gravel now. No, no, no. Flintstone it.
SPEAKER 08 :
This is through North Dakota. This is through North Dakota, so you get a slight breeze under your seat.
SPEAKER 06 :
There you go. Just slight.
SPEAKER 08 :
Slight breeze. So, John, I'm going to Tampa, and I've never done this before, and I can hear the John Rush devil in my ear already. um my wife wants a convertible and she's a volvo person okay so i found a 2004 rag top because i don't want nothing to do with that complex foldable hardtop volvo c70 was 64 000 miles so and not tremendous amount of service records. It's been in storage for a long time. Now, here's my game. First thing first, I'm going to fly it on there, but I'm going to have the thing flat-bedded over to the nearest Volvo dealership.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah, that's what I would do. There's step one, yes.
SPEAKER 08 :
And then I'm going to have, he said, what kind of tires you got, Kelly? I said, well, those are going in the dump.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah.
SPEAKER 08 :
And puts really quality Michelins on there.
SPEAKER 04 :
What year again was it, Mark? I missed that.
SPEAKER 1 :
2005? 2004.
SPEAKER 08 :
2004. I want a wreck. The top is new.
SPEAKER 04 :
Okay.
SPEAKER 06 :
I wonder if a dealer would be a better place or a Volvo specialist.
SPEAKER 04 :
I was just going to say, I'm not sure, Mark. I'm sorry on an 04. I'm not sure I'd go to the dealer. I think I would find a local Volvo specialist that understands. Where's the car at?
SPEAKER 08 :
Well, the car is in Tampa.
SPEAKER 04 :
Okay.
SPEAKER 08 :
And so Volvo dealership is crowned. And I already talked to the service manager there. He's familiar with those.
SPEAKER 04 :
Okay, good. Okay, good. That was my biggest question was there's a lot of dealers that don't go that old is why I'm asking. But if he's familiar with it and he's willing to do it, absolutely, yes.
SPEAKER 06 :
20 years old, you have to have a season. Correct.
SPEAKER 05 :
Correct. I mean, you might be looking at some parts availability issues at 20 years. Yeah. You will be looking at that at 20 years. Yeah, you will be. So the first thing you're doing is absolutely correct. Get it inspected. Get it checked out. And then the second thing is understand once you get it here, where are you going to have it serviced on a regular basis? Because not everybody wants to work on that.
SPEAKER 08 :
A place here in town, Baker Garage, they're great. They're Volvo specialists.
SPEAKER 05 :
Perfect, perfect.
SPEAKER 08 :
First thing first is going to happen is we're going to replace the timing belt. I don't care how many miles on the belt.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah, mileage-wise, yes, absolutely. All rubber products that I want to look at. Yep.
SPEAKER 08 :
Every single aspect. I don't care if it sits at that dealership for two weeks before I fly it out.
SPEAKER 04 :
Agree? Yeah. Absolutely. I think so. I agree with you, Mark. I mean, I'm assuming, knowing you, I'm assuming it's a very clean car.
SPEAKER 08 :
Yeah, it is. It's got a brand new top. It's navy top, blue body, white leather interior.
SPEAKER 05 :
Oh, my. Sounds pretty.
SPEAKER 08 :
64,000 miles, 2.3 liter turbo. Price was... $8,000. That's cheap.
SPEAKER 05 :
Yeah. It sounds like if you're looking at timing belt, tires, and then you're going to look at some regular fluid services, maintenance services, right, and just kind of go through it on a schedule.
SPEAKER 06 :
Correct.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah, that's awesome. I mean, no offense, Mark, if you end up with $10,000 in that car total, you're still okay.
SPEAKER 08 :
I don't care if it's $15,000.
SPEAKER 05 :
As long as it's good. Yeah, right. I agree. Well, you couldn't buy a newer one for $15,000, right? You could not do that. Right, exactly.
SPEAKER 08 :
Well, the new Volvo C70 Converbal is coming out next year, and it's $95,000. Yeah, there you go.
SPEAKER 05 :
And you're going to have something special, right? You're going to pull up to church or coffee or whatever, and everyone's going to go, ooh, nice car. Right, yeah.
SPEAKER 08 :
Yeah, like the 911. Yeah.
SPEAKER 05 :
Yeah, exactly.
SPEAKER 08 :
Nice. So the other thing is that this does not have a tool kit in it.
SPEAKER 11 :
Okay.
SPEAKER 08 :
So I'm trying to find on eBay a factory tool kit I can pack in a tool roll and take with me.
SPEAKER 04 :
Does the dealer have any insight on that down there? It sounds like the guy you're talking to has got some familiarity with all of that. Does he have any insight to that?
SPEAKER 08 :
Yeah, he does, but I'm also checking salvage yards right now to find a toolkit for that era.
SPEAKER 03 :
Okay. You know, yeah.
SPEAKER 04 :
I think eBay is one of your best spots if you can find one.
SPEAKER 05 :
Are you saying – You want the factory one?
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah, do you need the factory one is the question.
SPEAKER 05 :
Are there special tools?
SPEAKER 04 :
No, I know Mark. He wants the factory one. Oh, okay. Okay, so it's not a car issue. It's a Mark issue. It's a Mark issue. That's right. It's a Mark issue. Perfect. Absolutely. Mark is like John, so this is a Mark and John issue. Not anything else, right, Mark?
SPEAKER 06 :
I will never need it. That's right. But it came with the vehicle I wanted. That's right. There you go. I get it.
SPEAKER 08 :
John Rush and Mark Hunter has issues. Yeah, I fully understand, Mark.
SPEAKER 05 :
What? Can fully relate. Don't we all?
SPEAKER 08 :
So, you know, I looked at that versus an enclosed trailer shipping back, but I don't know. I mean, there's another option, too. Yeah. Well... Two grand to ship it back.
SPEAKER 04 :
You can do the U-ship and get a bid on an enclosed trailer, bringing it back, and not even do it yourself. That's what I would do.
SPEAKER 08 :
But then I would miss the drama of going to Mississippi.
SPEAKER 05 :
You would. You would. No doubt. That's a four-day trip, if not a five-day trip, isn't it? Well, it depends. At least three.
SPEAKER 08 :
If I find some good barbecue, it might be two weeks. Good point.
SPEAKER 06 :
There's a hotel close by.
SPEAKER 05 :
We're staying here. That's right. To your point, if you can make a vacation out of it, that's worth the adventure.
SPEAKER 06 :
It's always a car that has sat a lot and things along those lines. Just to get it out on the road for long distance. You know, I'm a little leery of that. But, I mean, for the most part, I mean, you don't know what might pop up. Yeah.
SPEAKER 04 :
Mark, I know you. You're particular like me. As long as a dealer goes through everything that that car needs, yeah, then I wouldn't hesitate at that point. But I'm like Ken. I wouldn't just hop in and do it. Yeah. People don't realize cars that sit can be as much of a problem as cars that are driven. More.
SPEAKER 06 :
I think more so, especially with seals and things like that.
SPEAKER 04 :
Absolutely.
SPEAKER 06 :
Especially, you know, I mean, the seal's dry right now, but you get 100 and, you know, 300, 400 miles down the road.
SPEAKER 04 :
But the only exception to that, Mark, was it in a controlled environment or did it sit outside?
SPEAKER 08 :
Controlled environment. You're better off that way.
SPEAKER 04 :
That helps. That does help.
SPEAKER 08 :
It helps a lot. Replace the battery. Yeah, exactly. I mean, it's got a new battery, but I'm very – The Volvo dealership there, I gave them a VIN number. They pulled the service records they could pull out of their system. And the last one was, geez, 2008. 16.
SPEAKER 04 :
Okay. Been a while.
SPEAKER 08 :
Yeah.
SPEAKER 04 :
Ten years almost. Nine years.
SPEAKER 08 :
It could have been an estate situation. It could have been an elderly person. Yeah.
SPEAKER 06 :
Just not driven anymore.
SPEAKER 05 :
Will you see rust on Florida cars because of the salt water? Inside, probably not. You could outside, yes.
SPEAKER 06 :
A lot of oxidation on the aluminum and stuff like that.
SPEAKER 04 :
Inside, you're probably fine. Yeah.
SPEAKER 08 :
This car, which also makes me nervous, too, was an auction car. But who knows? I don't know how they get there, but they get there.
SPEAKER 05 :
Yeah, I was going to say, that could just be a bad ending to a good story. That's right.
SPEAKER 06 :
Right, exactly. Well, I think that initial inspection. The way my dad got his BMW was, it was a 94, and this was like 2004, had like 20,000 miles on it, and they just traded it in for a new one. Yeah. But it was too old for the dealer to sell. So they auctioned it off.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah, exactly. That can happen too. Yeah, exactly. Good point.
SPEAKER 06 :
It doesn't happen.
SPEAKER 08 :
So one last question, please. I won't take up any more of your time. Tires, John, what do you like?
SPEAKER 04 :
Oh, man. That is a broad question. High-end, you know me, I don't like buying any, you know, low-end stuff. On that kind of a car, I would be looking more high-end, you know, Michelin, you know, high-end along those lines is what I would do. Michelin, Continental, something like that. Yep. Mm-hmm.
SPEAKER 08 :
But I got Continental's on my 911, and so I'll look for either Continental or Michelin, but LA tires don't cut it for me.
SPEAKER 04 :
No, I would be doing a higher end on that, for sure.
SPEAKER 08 :
Yeah. Well, if I get in trouble, I'll call you back.
SPEAKER 04 :
Let me know. All right, you got to get a hold of me, Mark. Good luck.
SPEAKER 08 :
Yeah, that's what I'm going to hear from you guys, too, is good luck.
SPEAKER 04 :
You're on your own. You'll be fine. You'll be fine. Keep us updated. All right, see you. All right, man. Appreciate you, Mark. Jeff, Al, guys, hang tight. We'll come right back. Take your calls. Drive Radio KLZ 560.
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All right, we are Back Drive Radio, KLZ 560, best, most reliable car you've ever owned. I got several that came in on the text line. I'll read some of these off. First one really quick here, 2009 Pontiac Vibe GT, same as a Toyota Matrix side-by-side. The difference is the Vibe had a Camry engine and a five-speed manual transmission rather than the Corolla. Least reliable was an 83SS convertible. Sorry, 63SS convertible, the 409. People say that those old cars were really reliable, but I'll be honest. No, you worked on them all the time. Every weekend. Yeah. Popping the hood every weekend. You worked on those old cars. Trust me, I have some. I still have some old cars.
SPEAKER 05 :
That's a performance version.
SPEAKER 04 :
You work on them all the time.
SPEAKER 05 :
And those cars, when they got 70,000 on the clock, they were done. That's right. 100,000 mile car was wore out.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah, for sure. Right. Yeah. The good old days weren't so good. Just saying.
SPEAKER 06 :
That's right.
SPEAKER 04 :
So I got a few more I'll rattle off, but that was a funny one.
SPEAKER 06 :
They had a lot of style to them. They looked really good.
SPEAKER 04 :
Now, I will say, even though that was your least reliable, you're going to wish you owned that car because they're bringing a boatload of money right now. Especially with the 409 SS.
SPEAKER 06 :
That 409 is bringing $100,000. Anything with an SS tab.
SPEAKER 04 :
You're going to wish that you still had that car, actually, because of that.
SPEAKER 06 :
But probably glad you don't because you're going to have to store it up until this point.
SPEAKER 04 :
That's right. Jeff and Golden, you're next. Go ahead.
SPEAKER 09 :
Hello. I got a car for the Irreliable. I actually never – I was thinking I never owned one, but we did them in the shop. If you remember over at Mastercraft was the older two-wheel drive. I don't know if it's like Gen 3 or 4. I'm not sure of the Toyota two-wheel drive pickup trucks.
SPEAKER 06 :
The old Tacomas, yeah. Yeah, would that be like early 90s?
SPEAKER 09 :
Like we made the, you know, the little dual wheel. We would cut the frames and then make them dual wheel and put the stake rack. Oh, sure. And a lot of the guys in this side of the country, you know, California too, those were real, real common. And it was kind of the first time that anybody took a little truck serious. Yep. You know, in the working world, you know.
SPEAKER 05 :
Mm-hmm. They are super reliable trucks. I think, if I'm not mistaken, their Achilles heel was rust in the bed panels, in the body sides. But if you put a flatbed and stakebed on it, 100%.
SPEAKER 09 :
Yeah, yeah. We had one. We actually still have one that my mom, like, restored and everything. It's kind of cool. And it's the aluminum flatbed. Oh, yeah. Nice. Painted wood and everything. And that little truck does... That thing still runs pretty good. You know what I mean? It's got the little two-four. They don't have much power.
SPEAKER 05 :
I was going to say, is that the 22R, the 22RE engine?
SPEAKER 09 :
I think so. I think that's what it is.
SPEAKER 05 :
It should be an R. Yeah, a little straight four-beggar.
SPEAKER 09 :
And then they did put six cylinders. I think they kept making those trucks because we could buy them. We made those doolies, and then Toyota actually started... selling them you know what i mean to the uh you know what i mean to the commercial side of the toyota we would buy them then we didn't have to make them as much we classed them as a one-ton or something yeah yeah nice yeah those things were crazy because we would put overload springs on them and i remember we we were a dealer for eagle claw tow trucks and my dad and i we went down i was a little kid or whatever we went down to grab and he picked up two of those eagle uh wheel lift bodies and put it on the back of one of those uh those little Toyota trucks, and I can't remember how far we had to drive with it, but we made it back to the shop. Wow. That's cool.
SPEAKER 06 :
Good memories. Yeah, and you put a Chinook camper on them, all those little things. Yeah, there you go. Right, right? Yeah.
SPEAKER 09 :
Those little trucks went. They did. Those are neat little trucks. They are. It's funny. Just before I called, I looked up to see how many they're on, Gen 9 or whatever, the Toyota truck. It's pretty crazy, really.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yes, wow. Yes, been around a long time.
SPEAKER 06 :
Yeah, one of my neighbors has an older one.
SPEAKER 04 :
Go ahead, Jeff.
SPEAKER 09 :
I got a question on, I'm actually in front of the race car right now, the little four-star, and I've talked to you guys before, and you were telling me that that boost creep in, is he still kind of my tuning guy, probably in the area, is what you guys were thinking, to get this thing to a dyno, or...
SPEAKER 04 :
And that was one of the other guys we had on that day talking about that, because that is out of my league, Jeff. I don't know. Yeah, it's out of my league, too.
SPEAKER 09 :
Okay.
SPEAKER 04 :
That was somebody else mentioning that, because that's not me. I don't know.
SPEAKER 09 :
Okay. He had a very impressive website and everything else. I haven't talked to the guy, but it seems like that is the...
SPEAKER 05 :
if you're looking to you're not going to find too many doing it so well i was going to say that they've made it illegal here that's right that's that's what you will find out if if you do call him and have a conversation if he's not the guy he will likely know the guy because they're in the business right so there's a it's a small world is what i'm saying yeah yeah it's uh there's a guy that does like that they're real popular this guy jason waters tuning is uh
SPEAKER 09 :
He does basically all of these front-wheel drive dirt oval cars, and he's doing two, three, four a week. It's amazing down there. The sport's really growing. We've got a race. You guys have to look up. It's at Kokomo Speedway. That's just a little east of Indianapolis, I believe, but it's for the front-wheel drive. I think it's this. I'm not sure of the date. this week or next anyway, but it's $100,000 to win for this front-wheel drive dirt oval.
SPEAKER 05 :
All righty then. Nice. Dirt oval front-wheel drive. Okay.
SPEAKER 09 :
Good to know. Yeah, it's dirt oval front-wheel drive stuff, and it's a fun class. I was going to say, who knew? Yeah, it'd be fun. Yeah, that'd be neat. You know, and what's interesting right now is IMCA will start them at, I think it's 14 years old. But what is a blooming little deal right now is they call the junior compacts, and they're putting – there's guys putting maybe seven, eight-year-olds in these little front-wheel drive Hondas and Cavaliers. Oh, my gosh. And they've got a whole class from seven to – 13 or whatever, you know what I mean? Driving these front-wheel drive cars out there, and it's actually pretty interesting.
SPEAKER 05 :
And they're fairly cheap. That's awesome. They can acquire these skills before they realize they need to be afraid.
SPEAKER 04 :
That's awesome.
SPEAKER 11 :
All right.
SPEAKER 04 :
Exactly. Jeff, appreciate it. Got to run. Thank you very much for all that. Al and Denver, hang tight. We'll come right back to you in a moment. Drive Radio, KLZ 560.
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SPEAKER 04 :
All right, before we go to Al, one other one came in. A 70 Corolla four-cylinder, four-speed. Wife bought it new. And then an 84 Corolla four-cylinder auto. His mom bought this. And then the favorite was a 73 2002 BMW four-cylinder, four-speed. That's going along with our question of the day. Al, go ahead.
SPEAKER 07 :
Yes. My son has a 2011... Tacoma.
SPEAKER 10 :
Okay.
SPEAKER 07 :
And he was driving, he said, and a little car come up with a ziggly line. I just wondered what that... That's traction control. It's a what? Traction control?
SPEAKER 05 :
That's the traction control, yes. Yeah, I think they call it vehicle stability control or VSC.
SPEAKER 07 :
Oh, it's the traction control.
SPEAKER 04 :
Is it staying on, Al? Pardon? Is it staying on?
SPEAKER 07 :
Yeah, it was staying on, he said.
SPEAKER 04 :
Okay. Yeah. And that means there's a problem in the system. Yeah.
SPEAKER 06 :
Does it, and you might not know this, but does it come on instantly when you start it, or does it come on as he's rolling down the road?
SPEAKER 07 :
Well, he said that as he was rolling down the road, it'd come on.
SPEAKER 06 :
Okay.
SPEAKER 07 :
And then he stopped it and started it again, and it's still on.
SPEAKER 06 :
Oh, okay. So it's staying on then. So, yeah. Yeah. Seeing some kind of problem in that system. Yep.
SPEAKER 07 :
And the traction control? Yep.
SPEAKER 06 :
Yes.
SPEAKER 07 :
Okay.
SPEAKER 04 :
Stability control, traction control, all related. Something in the system is – you'll have to have somebody diagnose that, Alan, find out. I mean, we could guess at it here, but we have no idea.
SPEAKER 06 :
Yeah, basically that system is shut down. It's still okay to drive. You just want to have traction control. Right. Yeah, exactly.
SPEAKER 07 :
It's okay to drive, though.
SPEAKER 06 :
Yes.
SPEAKER 07 :
Yeah, he said it was driving good, but it just – Just that little thing come on.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah. And on an icier morning like this morning, if you want traction control, you're not having it when the light's on.
SPEAKER 07 :
Right. Oh, okay.
SPEAKER 05 :
You'll notice it on the slippery roads. That's right. Yeah.
SPEAKER 07 :
Yeah. And I have an 06X box. Would it be okay to use that EPR on it? Yes. Yes. Yeah.
SPEAKER 04 :
Absolutely. Yeah, I've never done that one. Absolutely. Do it. Yes. By all means.
SPEAKER 07 :
Yeah, because I have a mic. A 98 Avalon, I still have that.
SPEAKER 04 :
Oh, good.
SPEAKER 07 :
That runs great.
SPEAKER 04 :
Nice car. That's a great car. Yeah, very good car. Yeah.
SPEAKER 07 :
Yeah. They'll bury me in that thing.
SPEAKER 05 :
That's a good car. Hopefully not soon.
SPEAKER 04 :
Really good car, Al.
SPEAKER 07 :
Yeah. Yeah, I'll be 90, so no sense me buying it.
SPEAKER 04 :
Well, you keep at it, Al. That's right. All right. Keep it positive. Thank you, John. No, thank you very much. Keep it up. That's awesome to hear, by the way. All right, somebody else texted in. Two Honda CRVs, 97 and a 2001. Each one have about a quarter million miles on them, 250,000 miles, routine maintenance only. Good job on that, by the way. Don and Littleton, go ahead.
SPEAKER 17 :
Hi, John. Hi, Ken. Hi, Pat. Nice to talk with you.
SPEAKER 04 :
You too.
SPEAKER 17 :
Good morning.
SPEAKER 06 :
You too, Don.
SPEAKER 17 :
Yeah. You know, my favorite car is a Toyota Tacoma pickup, a 2007. Yeah.
SPEAKER 04 :
Love that truck. Pretty hard to beat.
SPEAKER 17 :
Yeah, but you know, the funny thing is, John, the Consumer Reports car issue came out just a month or two ago. And Toyota Tacoma is no longer recommended. In fact, it's way down on the rating.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah, they've had engine issues of late. That's why. In 25 or, you know, 25 models.
SPEAKER 1 :
24, 23, 24, 25.
SPEAKER 04 :
Actually, 24, 25. 24 mainly. Yeah, so that'll take the average out.
SPEAKER 17 :
It was sad to me because Toyota was always, the Tacoma was always the truck that never quit, you know.
SPEAKER 04 :
That's right. I have so many listeners, texters, Don, that will tell you right now, do not buy one, period. The new ones. Okay.
SPEAKER 17 :
That's amazing to me. My neighbor has a Tacoma. It's a couple of years old, and it's a V6, and he had a leak behind his engine. The coolant was dripping, and he took it in, and it's a plastic fitting that takes a coolant line in behind the engine, and that plastic fitting cracked. But here's the tough part. The dealer wanted $2,000 because the transmission has to be removed to replace that fitting.
SPEAKER 05 :
To get to it, yeah. It's a big job.
SPEAKER 17 :
He called Toyota and complained, and they ponied up $1,500 of it. It wasn't too bad, but still.
SPEAKER 05 :
Yeah.
SPEAKER 17 :
That surprises me, you know. I thought Toyota did better than that as far as reliability.
SPEAKER 04 :
Something happened on those.
SPEAKER 17 :
Yeah. Hey, I had something interesting happen, John, I wanted to tell you. Sure. I have a battery in my Tacoma. It's nine years old, and it's been on a battery tender. And I did a hydrometer test on it when I tuned the car up, and one cell was 50 points lower than the others. So by rights, that's a battery that needs to be replaced. Yes, yeah. Well, I've been reading about this thing called a battery minder. It's like a battery tender. But it's supposed to desulfate a battery, and I didn't know if it was really legit or not, but I bought one and hooked it up, let it run for two weeks.
SPEAKER 04 :
Okay.
SPEAKER 17 :
And I did the hydrometer test again, and that cell that was 50 points low is now only 25 points low.
SPEAKER 04 :
Oh, so it's helping.
SPEAKER 17 :
Yeah, so it's a healthy battery now. It's serviceable.
SPEAKER 04 :
Interesting. And that's a battery minder. I've never heard of it.
SPEAKER 17 :
Yeah, I read about it in Auto Restore magazine years ago.
SPEAKER 04 :
Okay.
SPEAKER 17 :
And a guy had tested it, and he said, you know, I think there's something to this. He had tested, he had put this on several batteries that were not serviceable, and he brought them back to life. Interesting. And I know my experience is just anecdotal, but I'll tell you what, I think this thing works.
SPEAKER 05 :
Yeah. Well, I think you did a good test to see. Yeah. Do you know what the brand name of that battery might be? It's the name. That is the name. I just looked it up, yeah.
SPEAKER 17 :
All right. Bad reminder, M-I-D-E-R, bad reminder. And it's about the same money as any other tender would be. Interesting. And I'll tell you what. I'm sold on it.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah, that's good.
SPEAKER 04 :
I've got one battery in AGM that I have struggled to keep working correctly, Don. You know what? For the money, I'm going to order one of these and give it a whirl. Try it. What I got to lose. When those stinking AGMs are $300, I'll spend some money on a minder and see what happens. For sure.
SPEAKER 17 :
Yeah, yeah, yeah. It might be interesting, Don.
SPEAKER 04 :
I will give that a whirl. You just got me onto something that I will. I learn as much from you guys as you do me, so I appreciate that very much.
SPEAKER 17 :
Well, hey, we learned a ton from you, John.
SPEAKER 04 :
Well, I learned a lot from you guys as well, and I just pass it along. So I'm going to give that a whirl, and I'll report back as well. Well, thanks. It's always a pleasure talking with you. You too, Don. Appreciate you, man, very much. Buck, hang tight question of the day he's got for us as well. I've got a few more to rattle off here, by the way. Somebody mentioned a 2016 F-350, 88,000 miles, has had no issues. Another was a 2019 Ram 3500, 91,000. Those can be an issue, so good for you. Glad you haven't had any issues because some have. An old 88 Ram 12 valve, yeah, other than the body on the truck itself, the engine and drivetrain and all that was pretty tough to beat. And then somebody actually said a 2007 Maxima. Yeah, you know, in those years, actually, I can't argue that one either. All right, guys, we'll be back. Got another couple hours coming your way. Question of the day is the most reliable car you've ever owned. Give us what that is. We'll come back again. Hour number two is next. Two hours left, of course, though, of Drive Radio. KLZ 560.
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In this episode of Fix It Radio, we bring attention to the often underestimated yet critical home safety measure: carbon monoxide detectors. As spring approaches and warm weather invites various home maintenance tasks, our hosts prioritize safety with engaging discussions on portable carbon monoxide testers, their necessity for travelers, and how to ensure your home is always protected. Let us guide you through essential maintenance tips to keep your household safe and sound.
SPEAKER 01 :
Walter? Upstairs! Are you alright?
SPEAKER 03 :
In the floor behind the chair.
SPEAKER 04 :
This is America.
SPEAKER 01 :
Does everybody know what time it is? Fix It Radio!
SPEAKER 13 :
And it is Fix It Radio, KLZ 560. Thanks for joining us on this Saturday morning, April the 5th. April the 5th. So the year is rolling by. Myself, Larry Unger, here today. If you're listening to us on Tuesday, thanks for doing that as well. We appreciate it very much. It is a colder... Day-to-day than we would typically expect, although it is still spring in Colorado, meaning that we can go from this to, I believe, next Saturday as we're here. It's going to be close to almost 80 degrees or so. So we will have a huge shift in the weather between now and even Monday. I think we're going to have a big warm-up. It's going to be 55-ish or so and sunny tomorrow and then going to be warmer even on Monday. And you're listening to this on Tuesday. It'll be nice and warm on Tuesday. So, you know, some of what we're talking about today won't matter.
SPEAKER 07 :
Looking forward to it.
SPEAKER 13 :
Yeah. You know what? I talked to several people. It's funny you said that yesterday, or you just said that, Larry. There is a lot of people I've been talking to the last couple of days where they're like, you know, we're pretty much ready for winter to be over. And I can't say as I disagree with that at all is what I'm trying to say.
SPEAKER 07 :
Yeah. I ran into one of the guys. He was leaving. The station this morning as I was coming in and we said the same thing. Can't wait until it's turned sunny.
SPEAKER 13 :
Nope. Several things I want to get into today because it's still, I mean, today you're not going to do anything outside. I mean, if you do, great. You might do some cleanup or something like that. But it's going to be a little bit warmer and sunnier as we get into the later afternoon hours. But during showtime today especially and even through drive radio, it's still going to be pretty chilly out. Some of you will have a little snow on the ground depending upon what part of town you're in. Even down here at the station as we look out, the golf course down here, it's... It's all white, and yeah, it's a little tough to do much of anything. I will probably get into next weekend because it will be a warmer day, and a lot of you maybe because of whatever reason haven't fired up your sprinkler systems quite yet. Some of us have, myself included. And yes, I know it's 28 degrees, but I don't care. Mine was fired up a couple of weeks ago.
SPEAKER 07 :
So they're not going to freeze.
SPEAKER 13 :
No, it's not that cold where it's that big of an issue. But if you haven't, I will walk through that whole process next Saturday as far as that goes. So I want to make sure that we get that done. We do that every year. And yes, I know we've We've been over that in the past and so on. But one thing, too, somebody asked earlier in the week, because I had talked about this on my daily show, and then I also talked about it a little bit yesterday on Ready Radio. So this is really important. I cannot find the one that I actually own, but where I'm going with this is carbon monoxide detectors. And I had somebody call in and say, you also want to check for the oxygen levels inside of the house, but I did some research on that. As far as portability goes, there's quite a few. Kitty even makes a portable carbon monoxide tester, and there's several of them out there. So if some of you wanted me to put a link up of the one that I own, I don't see it listed on Amazon any longer. I'm sure I could still go find it, but it's not there any longer. And one thing also to remember is some of what you maybe have purchased in the past, On Amazon, because of now some of the tariffs and things that have come in, especially in regards to China and so on, you may not find the same item that you once had and or were buying. You may not find that on their website. You may still be able to find it, but it may not be on the Amazon site because of some of that. So something else to remember and keep in mind when it comes to some of the things that are out there. The reason I mention that is there has been in the last – Three weeks in the news, one, a major baseball, major Major League Baseball player, they lost a child due to carbon monoxide poisoning in a hotel while on vacation. There were three young ladies that were that that were they found deceased for the same reason that were also on vacation. And so it's something to be aware of, especially while traveling. I happen to travel with a portable carbon monoxide tester. I just keep it in my travel backpack at all times. When you get to the place you're going, you just turn it on. You don't have to take it out of your bag. Just turn it on. It's there. Something happens. It's audible. It goes off. It's real simple. In the way mine works, I've got a little carabiner to where I can just hang it outside the bag. Now it's outside. It can do its thing. Don't have to unclip it. In other words, it's always there. It makes it really easy so that it's there working and all of that. And I don't leave it on constantly when I come back home because we have testers at home. But it's something to think about, especially when you're traveling. And, by the way, some of you would say, well, as long as you stay in a really nice hotel, that's not a problem. Out of country, not true. There have been some deaths reported even in some high-end hotels outside of country. Now, I haven't seen too much about this in the United States of America. Every now and then you'll find sort of a freak thing that happens. So typically in the U.S. it's not as big of a deal. But outside of the U.S., I would not – I would not leave and go anywhere without one of these, period, just because that's what I would do. And actually, I did find a carbon monoxide tester that actually is on Amazon, and I can put a link up for this one. This one's about half the price of the one that I actually bought. And this one's a rechargeable one as well. So this one's actually, I would say, half the price and a little nicer than the one that I bought. Maybe not as robust. The one I bought is sort of in that rubberized coating where if it gets knocked around or whatever, it doesn't get all beat up. And you kind of know what I'm talking about. Like a big phone case protector on it where it doesn't get beat up. You could drop it and it wouldn't have any effect on it. It's pretty robust that way. But it's not rechargeable like the one that... I'm going to go ahead and put up on our website. So I'll put that up, by the way, on all of our different websites. I'll have Producer Ann do that today. And I can do that now. In fact, as I... I will tell her to put that out there. So that way, because I had somebody the other day asking for that. So just a side note, and the reason I say that is it is today, given the fact that a lot of you are going to be inside and you're maybe looking for something to do, and you may or may not have done even your smoke detectors with the time change we had here recently. So I would say, given the day that it is today, check all of your smoke detectors. If you've got carbon monoxide detectors, double-check those. And I will say this. If you're living in an older home to where it's, you know, this code hasn't always been there when it comes to carbon monoxide testers, detectors, I should say. If you live in an older home and don't have one, that is something that I would highly recommend. It's like a smoke alarm, in my opinion. You need to have one. If you don't, go get one. In a lot of cases, it is now code, and they'll be built into a lot of the newer homes and so on. But they're very inexpensive. And my suggestion would be to put a couple of them in the house. Always put one near where your gas appliances are. So, for example, if you've got a boiler room or a furnace room or whatever, go ahead and put one in that area. That'll tell you if you get any leaks inside of that particular area itself. And then put one in the hall near your bedrooms or even... one in each bedroom if you'd like. It depends on how your house is set up and how many rooms you've got and so on. But they call it the silent killer or the unknown killer because you can't smell it, you can't detect it, you don't know it's there. And the problem is people just don't wake up.
SPEAKER 07 :
That's right. And the sad part is for those of you that take the batteries out of your detectors because you don't like the little beepy noise.
SPEAKER 13 :
Put them back in.
SPEAKER 07 :
Yeah, shame on you.
SPEAKER 13 :
Yeah, put them back in. Get yourself going again on that. And, yeah, they do save lives, and that's something that you want to have. And, again, that's the last thing you want to do. I know last week we talked about HVAC and the efficiencies of and changing filters and all of that. Didn't quite get into doing anything along these lines. But again, given that it's kind of a crummy weekend, crummy day today even, if you're looking along those lines for something to do, yes. And again, those are very inexpensive. You can buy carbon monoxide detectors either online. All of your big box stores will have them. You see them literally everywhere. In some cases, they are literally as convenient as just finding an outlet and plugging them in. Most of them are made that way. Now, some of them you can put up on the roof. They're battery operated. But there's a lot of them where literally you go find an outlet someplace near wherever it is that you want to make sure you're detecting things and you just go plug it in. So you can buy these in different different forms. I'll put the portable one up. So if you're traveling and again, I highly recommend for some of you that travel to different places, you may go out of country. And, you know, some of you think, well, I'm only going to Canada or I'm only going to, you know, Mexico or I'm only going down to the Caribbean or whatever. I don't care. Travel with it.
SPEAKER 07 :
I don't care if you're going to South Dakota.
SPEAKER 13 :
Larry, I've got it in my travel backpack. I take it everywhere I go, no matter what, just because you're exactly right. One more safety item, and no, I'm not always Mr. Safety, but in this particular case, yes, because this becomes something that is very easy to do.
SPEAKER 07 :
Well, that's the point. It's easy to do.
SPEAKER 13 :
Exactly.
SPEAKER 07 :
It doesn't take you out of your way to do it.
SPEAKER 13 :
So anyways, that's one of the things that's on my list for today is test all of your smoke and your carbon monoxide testers. Put new batteries in each if you haven't done that with the, like normally you do that with the time change. Yep. And for some of you, you know whether you've needed to do that or not. And just a note along those lines as well. There are different types of labeling. In fact, there are a lot of labels you can now buy where you can use like a dry erase marker, and you can put a little label underneath the detector or even inside the battery area or on the battery. For that matter, you can use a Sharpie and mark on the battery when you actually installed it. Now when you open it and look at it, you would know exactly what the date was when you installed that particular item, and you know, okay, it's due.
SPEAKER 07 :
Well, and if it's longer than a year?
SPEAKER 13 :
Change it.
SPEAKER 07 :
Yes. For the cost of the battery, it's not worth...
SPEAKER 13 :
Yeah.
SPEAKER 07 :
Taking that chance.
SPEAKER 13 :
All right. Moving along. Other interior maintenance items, because that's really what I wanted to focus on today is some of the interior maintenance things. And yes, I know if you're listening on Tuesday, a lot of this won't apply. And you're going to wish on Tuesday I went ahead and did the sprinkler thing today. But for a lot of people that are listening live today, you're not going to do your sprinklers. You're going to do these other things instead. And this one's a big one. And it's a little bit... Maybe more difficult to do because it is cold, although it's not super cold out. And that is clean and inspect your windows and your screens. Now, I get washing screens and so on on a day like today, although tomorrow, Sunday, you'll be able to do this tomorrow if you would like. It'll be warm enough then to do this. But look at your windows. Do they all open and close correctly? Get your vacuum out, whether it's a little shop vac or your regular vacuum or whatever. Vacuum out all of the tracks and all the different things that can get in there because they get creepy crawlies and dust and junk and so on. Vacuum all that stuff out so when you go to use your windows, if you're somebody that does open the windows, and I get it. Some people never open the window. Allergy-wise, whatever, you just don't do it, and I get that. some people don't open windows at all some do it just depends on who you are and what kind of you know lifestyle I guess you could say you live but either way for the continual functionality of your home yes go ahead and check all of your windows make sure that they open and close correctly in some cases you may want to lubricate some things depending upon the window itself and how it's made and what you need to do and of course always use the proper lubricant for whatever it is that you're working on in a case of windows you're typically going to use like a silicone type based lubricant to where you don't want a lot of stuff getting all i wouldn't use wd-40 or anything along those lines you don't want to gum everything all up just use some sort of a silicone spray if need be but again make sure that you know things happen over the winter months Even as far as your screens go, things can bang into them. If you've got kids, if you've got pets, I mean, there's all sorts of things that can happen along those lines. And the last thing you want is, again, we're going to get into next week where it's going to be warm enough to where some of you may want to go ahead and open the window and not run your AC. If that's you, well, use today to see how all of that is working. Some of you may have already done this because we've had some warm weather already up to this point. Although... Although, for a lot of you, you probably haven't gotten to the point yet where you've opened up windows and done a lot of those things quite yet. We haven't been quite that warm yet. But, again, double-check all those things.
SPEAKER 07 :
Well, and the other side of the coin is when you do open your windows, look at the felt seal around the windows. Now would be the time to change them, especially if you're using your AC in the summertime.
SPEAKER 13 :
Good point. Good point. Yeah. Even for some of you that like to keep all the dust and everything down, you're not one to open up windows and do things along those lines, which I know some of you are that way. Yeah. Double check that and make sure. Somebody also said that really quick, the CO2 detectors plug in, you know, bedroom, et cetera. They will accommodate that first floor floor. Kitty, Nighthawk, they're both good brands. Thank you, by the way, for those recommendations. So there you go. So, yeah, again, yes, please get those. If you don't have a home that has those, put those in. Highly, highly recommended. Believe me, the last thing you want is for loss of life over something that is expensive. And I mean easily preventable because the way that works is if it's detected, number one, you immediately go outside, get some fresh air, make sure you're breathing fresh air. Otherwise, you may even at that point still have a headache or whatever if that thing has already gone off. And then depending upon where that carbon monoxide is coming from, you most likely are going to want to call somebody, have them come and inspect and see exactly what's going on. Is something plugged up? Has something happened? Is there a leak somewhere? What's going on and why is that? Is that the case? Mark and Wiggins, go ahead, sir.
SPEAKER 15 :
Hey, good morning.
SPEAKER 13 :
Good morning, Mark.
SPEAKER 15 :
It's cold and kind of dreary, and I am working in the garage with the radio going. I got my little... I got an AM radio that I bought from the thrift store for like $10 with. Nice.
SPEAKER 04 :
Nice.
SPEAKER 15 :
But I heard you guys talking about the CO detectors, and it kind of triggered a story and a comment. So when I was in school and college... I had one of my instructors that lived up in Nederland. And during the wintertime, he was running a stove. And I don't know if it was a gas stove, wood stove. I'm guessing maybe not a wood stove. And maybe it was.
SPEAKER 13 :
Could have been.
SPEAKER 15 :
But my point is, it was snowing so bad that it had covered the exhaust pipe on the roof.
SPEAKER 13 :
Yep.
SPEAKER 15 :
And as an instructor, he understood the effects of CO gas poisoning and what was going on. When he came home and found his wife and kids laying on the floor and instantly knew what was going on and dragged them out of the building, then called 911. and he almost passed out in the process. Wow. And I asked him, I said, did you have any CO alarms? And he said, no. And I'm like, you're our instructor, and you're harping on safety nonstop, and you are the guy without the CO detector? What's wrong with this picture?
SPEAKER 13 :
Mark, that's like the old saying, you know, the shoemaker's kid goes without shoes.
SPEAKER 15 :
So after that moment, I went and bought like four of them. And so I have two, actually, I think three in my garage because I've noticed, and I have them in the house too. I have one in the basement next to the furnace and, And our house actually has the converted or the newer CO fire alarm combo system, which does work. But what I've noticed is in the morning or any time during the day, really during this fall-winter season, is when my wife or I leave for work or go somewhere and fire up the car and back out, even though we're pulled in straight and close the door, it set the alarm off. Because the gases kind of flow back into the garage and trigger the alarm. So I get woken up by the by the seal alarm firing off like, hey, there's poison gas in here. And I'm like, oh, my gosh, I have to open the man door, the side door and the front door for maybe like 20 seconds to get the air out. And so what I've done is I've asked my wife and I to, when we back out, not shut the door right away, to leave it 30 seconds to a minute.
SPEAKER 13 :
Great point.
SPEAKER 15 :
And then close the door. And that hasn't, you know, it's not perfect, but the alarms don't go off as often.
SPEAKER 13 :
Right.
SPEAKER 15 :
And, you know, I just, I have a passion for safety. I really do. Anybody that knows me knows that I'm, you know, harping on safety, everything. Right. And so, you know, when you go to the store and you see the prices of a CO detector and it's, you know, they're not cheap. They're 30, 40, 50, 60 bucks, depending on the model you get. Think not about the cost of that detector and how much a funeral cost costs instead.
SPEAKER 13 :
And everything else that goes with that. Absolutely, Mark. Absolutely. Great, great thought on that. And yeah, I mean, these are very, in the grand scheme of things, Mark, very inexpensive devices to put in your home. And I like you, and for a lot of you listening, too, this is another big one. If you've got a shop or a garage that you're working out of, a similar deal, Mark, and I've got one in my shop. I've got detectors and have had for years there. You just never know, you know, running the car inside or I've got heat in the garage or things like that. I mean, you want to make sure you're safe while you're out there as well.
SPEAKER 15 :
Right, right. I used to run multiple propane heaters, and while I was working on the car, I'd get a little dizzy, and my wife's like, hey, man, are you doing okay? I'm like, oh, I'm good, I'm good. She's like, no, I don't know about that. You need some fresh air in there. But I've gotten rid of those and replaced them with electric, and yeah, it's more expensive on the electric side, but I don't have to burn up my oxygen, and there's less safety concern there, especially with the lack of oxygen at our altitude. But my other comment, well, actually, I do want to comment on the detectors. So I've got multiples, and they're the battery plug-in combo. They also make battery alone, which I keep in the older truck. And that way, if the exhaust is coming up into the cab of the truck, that thing goes off. And I've only had it happen once. And that's because it was sitting there idle and warming up and the thing's firing off. And I'm like, okay, I probably shouldn't be getting in driving. I should roll the window down and open the doors and so on. But they also make one that has a little digital readout, and that's my favorite one. Because I look at that thing, and as long as it's a zero, I know I'm good to go. If I can't see the zero, I know either the power's out or the battery's out. Good point. The other thing, probably I want to say about two weeks ago, My wife and daughter went for a walk. I had been, you know, I just came home. And they came home, you know, through the front door, and they said, hey, we smell gas. And I'm like, what do you mean? Like gasoline gas, natural gas, like somebody tooted kind of gas? What are we talking about? And they said, no, we smell natural gas. I couldn't smell it. I went outside. I still couldn't smell it. I went to the meter. Couldn't smell anything. I'm like, OK, normally, you know, if you're not sick or we actually have somebody that lives in this town that can't smell at all. Unfortunately, they're in the fire department. They have to use the meter that the gas smell just it was not registering either because I had a cold or what was going on. I don't know.
SPEAKER 04 :
Right.
SPEAKER 15 :
But I immediately called. Xcel Energy, I said, you know, we may have a problem. And they said, okay, you know, went through the prompts, very safe, don't start any electricals, don't light a cigarette, that kind of thing. And so they said, you know, it's going to be probably an hour. Okay. So I told my wife, don't fire off anything. Don't turn on the light or off the light. It's already, you know, in process. Don't open or close the garage door. You know, we don't need a spark because I don't know how much gas is there. Well, anyway, I could not smell it. And even the guy, once he showed up, bless his heart, he had the patience to continuously test and run his meter around the front of the house. And what he found was all. So years ago, they had come out and resealed the fittings. And I guess they had found some of them that were leaking a little bit. But I never noticed. They just showed up and started doing the work. But what he found was none of those fittings were leaking. Where it was leaking from was the actual shutoff. And I didn't understand this, but he explained that inside the valve itself is, I guess, grease. I don't know if there was a grease fitting. I didn't see one. But he said that that can solidify and allow grease to actually come out the side or the gas to come out the side of the valve and was leaking. And his alarm was definitely going off. um and so he said you know i'm i can you know fix the valve no problem well we won't even have to disturb your your flow but we'll try some things and and go from there and i'm i'm standing out in the street you know like okay you know i don't know what's gonna go um i'm keeping a safe distance he's like it's it's not that bad he said it would be up in your face unbearable stinky to be dangerous. And that's not to say don't call if you can't, you know, if you smell it. But his point was is that even a small amount is best to call. And when I called, they said, you know, did you call the fire department? I'm like, no. You know, like, why would I want to wake up an all-volunteer fire department when there is no fire, there's no, like, I don't hear gas blasting out of the ground, and they're going to call the gas people anyway. So that doesn't make sense. Right. And so my point is, is that I couldn't smell it, and neither can a CO alarm. Okay. So a CO alarm is for CO, not natural gas, not the same.
SPEAKER 13 :
Yeah, no, they're not the same. You're correct, not the same.
SPEAKER 15 :
So if you have a CO alarm in your basement, but you have a natural gas leak and it doesn't go off, you could still have a leak and not know it if you can't smell.
SPEAKER 13 :
True, and that's why they put the smelly stuff in it.
SPEAKER 15 :
Right. Well, as long as you can smell. If you're sick or got, I don't know, COVID and can't smell.
SPEAKER 13 :
No, we know colds, things like that can affect all that, Mark. You're right. No, absolutely. Yes.
SPEAKER 15 :
So they do sell a little kit. I think I just looked it up on Home Depot. It's similar to a seal alarm, but it's for the purpose of propane and natural gas. I didn't even know that until just now while you guys were talking.
SPEAKER 13 :
Good to know.
SPEAKER 15 :
Great show, guys.
SPEAKER 13 :
Keep it going. Mark, as always, I appreciate you, man. Thank you very much. Bill, Joe, guys, hang tight. We'll come right back. This is Fix It Radio, KLZ 560.
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SPEAKER 13 :
All right, we are back. Fix-It Radio, KLZ 560. Bill and Lakewood, go ahead.
SPEAKER 03 :
Hey, my smoke detector, I'm pretty sure it's a kitty. It comes with a 10-year battery. Oh, okay. And so you don't even got to mess with it. Just throw it away and buy another one.
SPEAKER 13 :
Well, that's all right, too.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah, well, it just is, you know, instead of messing around with batteries all the time. Yeah, good idea.
SPEAKER 13 :
Yeah, didn't know that.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yep.
SPEAKER 13 :
How did it let you know that the battery's discharged? Does it beep at you or something, or does it tell you?
SPEAKER 03 :
Well, I don't know. You ain't got 10 years yet, so you don't know.
SPEAKER 13 :
Good point.
SPEAKER 03 :
But I'm sure it does start to beep when it's going.
SPEAKER 13 :
I'm sure it'll do something, yeah. Okay, good to know. I didn't know that, Bill. Thank you, by the way. I appreciate that. Joe in Jersey, what's up?
SPEAKER 14 :
Hey, John, I know not everybody's crazy like you and barbecues all winter long, but for those who don't barbecue except when it gets to be warm weather like me, a lot of people don't know that your propane tank regulator has a flow safety in it. And I accidentally tripped mine the other day because I didn't realize when I opened the tank valve that two of my three burner valves were in the open position.
SPEAKER 04 :
Ah.
SPEAKER 14 :
And if you do that, you will trip the flow-limiting safety inside that little regulator, and you won't get any flame or you'll get a little tiny flame. And if you make the mistake of doing that, you don't have to replace the regulator, which a lot of people, like my neighbor, mistakenly did one year. You simply close the tank, close the valves, undo the regulator from the tank, wait a minute, then reconnect the regulator. Make sure the burner valves are all completely closed. And then slowly open the tank valve because if you, let's say you've got two or three burners and you have those valves wide open and you just crank open the tank valve, you will trip the flow limiting because there will be this sudden rush that exceeds the designated limit that's built, the safety limit, and you will trip your regulator. And I can't tell you. And I go and I look at all the regulators. Oh, yeah.
SPEAKER 13 :
Do people buy?
SPEAKER 14 :
Well, you go into Lowe's and they have like 18 in stock.
SPEAKER 13 :
Yeah, it shows you how many they sell.
SPEAKER 14 :
Yeah, because I, you know, like, and again, if you, so I believe what's happening, John, is that people are tripping their flow limiting safety in the regulator and they go out and buy a new one because they think it's bad. It's not bad that you can reset it.
SPEAKER 13 :
Okay. Yeah. Good reminder.
SPEAKER 14 :
All right, that's all I got.
SPEAKER 13 :
No, good reminder, Joe. Appreciate you very much. And, yeah, for a lot of you that may this next week even be firing things up. And, yeah, some people barbecue and do things all winter long. Some don't. It just depends on, you know, you and how your setup is and how nice it is at different times. And we get some of our Indian summer days. And I am not a diehard where I will be out on a day like today doing things. Now, some will, and, no, I'm not one of those individuals. But... We get some pretty nice weather at times, even during the middle of winter where folks will go out and use the barbecue and do different things. And, you know, that's a great reminder. So, Joe, thank you for that because, yeah, if you're out there and you're firing things up and you notice that they're not quite working, you know, it isn't working like it should be, there's your instructions from Joe just a moment ago. Okay. Going along with our list of things to do when it's a day like it is today. Should have asked Joe what his weather was like in Jersey. But anyways, here, there's even a few snow flurries floating around here at the station, so a lot of you are not going to be outside doing things. this one is is interesting because honestly i don't know that this is one that most people actually check for or they just finally notice it when it actually happens and that is checking for moisture in your basement or your crawl space look for leaks water stains mold and then figure out what those issues are and address those accordingly and yeah larry i will tell you that i even personally i don't know that i'm somebody that purposely runs around and checks to see If there's moistures in those areas, I think you go address it as you know it shows up. But I don't know that most people are proactive in that. So that's another one where if you've got an exposed crawl space or an exposed basement, yeah, by all means, take a peek underneath. Make sure that things are looking good. You don't have any leaks, especially with as wet as we've been here over the past few days. It would be a great day to actually go and look at some of those things and figure out how things look when it comes to being dry and all of that. Yeah.
SPEAKER 07 :
Well, your biggest concern is why is it that I'm looking for the crawl space? Well, if it's wet, you have moisture, you have mildew.
SPEAKER 13 :
That's right.
SPEAKER 07 :
The mildew is what really is the concern.
SPEAKER 13 :
Yeah, the mold and mildew, you want to make sure you're keeping that down. So, yes, by all means, check to make sure you don't have anything along those lines. Jeff in Montana, what's going on?
SPEAKER 06 :
Hey, good morning, gents. It sounds like our weather's a little bit better than yours for a change.
SPEAKER 13 :
I think we got what you had last week.
SPEAKER 06 :
This past Wednesday, we had every kind of weather in one day. I mean, sunshine, blowing snow, accumulations of over an inch. I thought we were back in March and it was supposed to be April. We're not supposed to have this stuff anymore. Actually, for you guys, April is your second snowiest month.
SPEAKER 13 :
Yeah, this is pretty normal for us, so it is what it is.
SPEAKER 07 :
So where did the storm come along? Did April showers bring May flowers? What happened to that?
SPEAKER 06 :
I don't know, but you know what Mayflowers bring?
SPEAKER 13 :
What? Pilgrims. Ah, there we go. Mayflowers bring pilgrims. Good one, Jeff. Good one. Good one.
SPEAKER 06 :
Yeah, for the CO2, or CO, I'm sorry. I'm so used to talking global warming that CO2 popped out. The CO detectors, my... We were on vacation in Colorado, of all places, when I was nine years old in 1961, and we stopped at some little hotel. I can't remember where. It was around central Colorado, somewhere in the mining area, gold mine area. And they had an in-wall heater, propane heater, natural gas, and that leaked. And it either leaked or it had carbon monoxide. I'm not sure which. But I got up in the middle of the night because I wasn't feeling good. I don't know why I woke up. Nobody else did. But I went and opened the front door and put a couple of chairs in and just laid in front of the front door. And I was told later that ended up saving our lives, the whole family, because everybody else was back in the room and let enough oxygen in so that it didn't kill us. Otherwise, it would have. My point is that, as you said, it can happen anywhere. It happened in Colorado. And if you go to the smaller motels, you know, they may still have the in-wall heaters. So you just don't know. It's always better to be safe than sorry.
SPEAKER 13 :
It is very much so. I remember those. In fact, a lot of those have now gone to electric, but I can remember those in-wall heaters as a kid, Jeff, and I still see some of those floating around occasionally at different places. So, yeah, it's something that you definitely want to be aware of, absolutely.
SPEAKER 06 :
Right. And another thing that the detectors in a smoke detector wear out after 10 years is It's made with, I think it's americium, a radioactive element that can detect the carbon monoxide. So if your detector is 10 years or older, it needs to go. It's no longer effective. When I moved into this house, we moved in in, what, 2017, and the detectors hadn't been changed in 20 years. So the first thing I did was replace all the smoke detectors. And I did not know about the mobile CO detectors. Yep, I learned about those.
SPEAKER 13 :
Oh, I don't know, Jeff. I've been carrying one now for a couple of years, I want to say, as I started reading more people on vacation dying from that. I'm like, yeah, I'm not going to be that guy, so I'm going to start dragging one along with me. And I get it, and everybody that's out there, well, when it's your time to go, it's your time to go. Well, you know, I don't want to go by being stupid.
SPEAKER 06 :
No, it's not my time to go if I can prevent it. There you go.
SPEAKER 13 :
Thank you, Jeff.
SPEAKER 06 :
No. If you want to go because you're going to do something avoidable, fine. But it's like saying, well, you know, I'm not going to worry about my breaks and change and stuff. If it's my time to go, it's my time to go. No. No, don't do that.
SPEAKER 13 :
Right. Right. Well, yeah, and what I've learned, even this morning, from when I bought the one I own versus what's now available today, like anything else, the more they become popular and the more of them that are made, the cheaper they become, because the one that I actually just put up, that Ann will put up today on the websites, is about half of the one that I bought and actually is rechargeable.
SPEAKER 06 :
Yeah, that's pretty cool. Works very well. And I think CO detectors also... have a 15-year limit, I think, and they just flat stop working. Okay. So they'll let you know when they're no longer effective. But CO detectors don't do that. So, you know, if you get a new one, what I did is just on the inside of the housing where you can't see it right to date, when you go up and check the battery, you know what's going on. And if it's older than 10 years, change it.
SPEAKER 13 :
Good point. Good point.
SPEAKER 06 :
Anyway, I hope it does get warmer for you guys.
SPEAKER 13 :
Oh, it will be. It's supposed to be a little bit better tomorrow, and then by the time people listen to this replay on Tuesday, it's going to be very nice.
SPEAKER 06 :
Good. Well, we got bright sun and... My wife and I are alone together for one day before our granddaughter comes back to be with us. Good for you. We're going to enjoy it.
SPEAKER 13 :
Good for you. We'll enjoy both, by the way. The peace and quiet and them coming back, both.
SPEAKER 06 :
Some other time off air, I can tell you the sad story of how we got our granddaughter and the court battle we just went through to make sure her parents couldn't get her back.
SPEAKER 13 :
That's too bad.
SPEAKER 07 :
Part of life, but it happens.
SPEAKER 13 :
Yes, it does. Jeff, appreciate you, man. Keep it up, man.
SPEAKER 07 :
I was going to tell you, John, talking about smoke detectors. I happen to be at Ace Hardware, and I was in the same aisle where the smoke detectors were, and I'm looking for different things. And there's a couple standing next to me, and they're talking about smoke detectors and how they want to replace them and this, that, and the other thing. And I heard the husband say something to the effect that we can't afford this. And I remember listening to the woman say, is that all I'm worth? And all of a sudden, this guy picks up about four of these detectors and puts them in the buggy. Oh, she's got the way to.
SPEAKER 13 :
Interesting.
SPEAKER 07 :
She's got the way to twist a flower.
SPEAKER 13 :
Interesting. Yeah, good story. All right, let's do this. We'll take a break. We've got a call coming in. We'll come right back. This is Fix It Radio, KLZ 560.
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All right, we are back, Fix It Radio. And if you're listening to us on Sunday or Tuesday, because, yes, this program replays on Sunday evenings as well. Thank you, by the way, at 5 o'clock on Sundays. Thank you for listening then as well. We do appreciate that. And Tuesday as well. It's going to be a nicer day tomorrow, by the way, on Sunday. So as you're listening on Sunday, it will be much nicer than it is actually. today. But for a lot of you, you're inside, you're trying to figure out, hey, I've got things I still need to get done. And as with anything, keep things up, keep them maintained. We left off that last segment talking about moisture in basement crawl space and so on. Yeah, double check those things. And again, with all the moisture we've had here over the past several days, it'd be a great day to actually look around to see, do I have any seepage any leaks you know do i have a water stain running down or even something that's that's wet you know running down the edge of something or whatever and if you do then yes by all means you want to have that looked at and if it's something roof related of course we've got lots of different sponsors but on the roof end of things roof savers of colorado dave hart call have him out have him look at whatever it is that happens to be going on when it comes to you know leaks and things like that You don't want those things to get worse because, to Larry's point earlier, moisture causes mold and mildew and can rot out different things, boards and so on. And reality is sometimes those things are hidden and you don't even know it's there until it's been happening for quite some time. So, yes, it's a good idea to have a lot of those things inspected. If you can't do it yourself, have somebody out and have it done for you. And if you can do it yourself, great. And I get everybody has a different level of ability depending upon experience, age and so on. I mean, some folks can get on a ladder, get up on the roof, look at a lot of things themselves. Other people, if you were up there, you wouldn't even know what you were looking at. I understand there's different levels for everyone. You do what you know you can do. And again, keep in mind, there's all sorts of. of helps and tips and things out there that will help you with these things. I just got a note a moment ago about how, you know, do you know anybody that can help me with some security camera installs on the outside of my home? Yes, in fact, the ad we just heard a moment ago from Ease My Pain IT Services, they do some security camera work and things like that as well, and if not, have people that they know that can. So we've got resources for pretty much anything. Anything. Really, the only thing we don't have, and I would love to get hooked up with a good one. And when I say good one, I mean good one because there's a lot of folks in the handyman business end of things that did that because they don't have anything else to do. So they went and became a handyman. And that's not the person I want. I want someone that really does have a really good, firm understanding of all the different things that are needed that are probably licensed in some areas even because you really need to be to do certain things inside of the home. And I would love to get connected with a really good handyman service that would be a part of what we do here. And if any of you out there listening know anybody or you are one and you would like to be a part of what we do, I will tell you straight up that – that first of all advertising with us here you know being a sponsor of our program is one of the best and least expensive investments when it comes to marketing and advertising your business that you'll ever find and I mean that sincerely I'm not gonna give rates out you know publicly but I will tell you that it is very very affordable us compared to a lot of other places in town that will solicit you for your business i will tell you that what we do here because i'm not doing this to get rich i'm not doing this as my main source of income i do this because i love all of you i want to help the the public whatever way we can whether it's around the house whether it's being prepared for the what-ifs of life like on ready radio or whether it's drive radio on the car sides of things we do it really to help each person listening i don't have to do this for a living like a lot of other talk show host that have shows out there do so in turn our rates and what we're able to help those of you that would like to get your business promoted i can literally do at a fraction of what you're going to pay somewhere else to have the same level of response and the same level of exposure. And I'm not bragging about that. It's just simply the fact because I don't do this as my living. I do this really as an addition to the other things that I already have going on in my world. I can do that for a lot less money than what you're going to find with some of the other quote-unquote big-name folk industries. in town and larry knows exactly what i'm talking about so does charlie literally what you do here will be at a fraction of the price of what you will do someplace else
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And I will guarantee you, this is a guarantee for me personally. It works. Yes. I've done this for 25 years. I had my business and I ran through this program with my business. It works. Yes, it does. And we did, you know, as John knows, we've done a lot of different things advertising wise in the automotive industry. Yes, we have. This works in the automotive industry as well as every other thing that I come across.
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And if you don't believe me, you can call some of our other sponsors that we have and find out from them how well things work. But I will tell you that it works. And, again, yes, it's a fraction, literally a fraction of the price. So some of you listening, if you've got a really good handyman business or you know somebody that is and you think they would benefit from having some more exposure and so on for any of you, any business, by the way, it doesn't have to be handyman. If you've got a business you'd like to have exposure with, by all means, reach out. Let me know. It doesn't have to be even home-related, although most things out there are. There's very few things out there that you could advertise that don't have something to do with being around the house. But anyways, yeah, if you're somebody that is interested in having more exposure, by all means, let us know. Just go to the website, fixitradio.com. Let me know. Send me a message. we will get together figure that okay here's one that this time of the year is also this is in my notes more for termites which we don't have a lot of in colorado and i i know i will get corrected on that somebody will say well yes we do well not like other places in the country so yes i know we can have some although We don't you know, you will rarely ever be in Colorado and see an entire house tented like they do in other parts of the country whereby everybody leaves. They tent the place with a big bubble. Basically, they fumigate the thing to try to kill all the termites and nobody can be in there for a couple of days. We don't do that in Colorado. You will rarely ever see. In fact, first time I ever saw one of those. And I was driving around. He was down in Houston or something. I'm like, what in the world? And then somebody said, well, yeah, that's for termites. I'm like, what? Termites. I'm like, what's that? I mean, literally, because I was that young. I'm like, what's that? And, you know, of course, learn, you know, because we don't have those. We don't have much of that problem here in Colorado. But pests in general, yes, we can have those.
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Cockroaches are terrible in Colorado.
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Okay, so there you go. So for those of you listening, check for pests. And I'm more along the lines of look for infiltration of mice and squirrels and rabbits and things along those lines because those little boogers can get in a lot of different places and do a lot of damage at times. So that's another one of those things that you can really double check and make sure, hey, I want to make sure I don't have any issues in these particular areas and things. And some of those things, they will do things all year long. The other thing, too, this time of year that you'll start noticing is the birds are back. They'll start building nests, and in some cases, that's fine. You want that nest to be there. In other cases, it's like, yeah, that's going to do nothing but make one big, huge, gigantic mess, and I don't want that built there.
SPEAKER 07 :
Well, that's where you look into your dryer vent. They will nest in your dryer vent if they can get in there. That's a great point, too.
SPEAKER 13 :
In fact, that was on my next list here is make sure that your dryer vent, day like today, something else that could be clean and handled. In fact, you could do a lot of appliance cleaning today, period. Pull that fridge out. Vacuum out all of the coils and everything that are back behind. It'll make things run more efficiently, cost you less money in the end to run it. There's little simple things because all of those things have fans. They're sucking in dust and pet hair and other things that are out there. So, yes, whatever you can do to keep those things clean, refrigeration coils, et cetera, by all means, make sure that you're all dialed in on all of those things. Will, you are next. Go ahead.
SPEAKER 05 :
Hello?
SPEAKER 13 :
Hello, Will.
SPEAKER 05 :
Hey. Yeah, you were talking about different alarms and stuff, and I just was at Ace Hardware up here in Conifer and picked up a 3-in-1...
SPEAKER 13 :
carbon monoxide and explosive gas first alert oh nice good job yeah it has carbon monoxide methane and propane that's really good nice yeah I've never seen one I've never seen one either I'm glad you just said that for a lot of folks that have been listening throughout this hour now some of you that have been listening will know you can go pick one of those up and it will do all of those yeah it's pretty cool interesting it's a plug-in cost
SPEAKER 05 :
First alert. Cost was by, what, $65 maybe.
SPEAKER 13 :
Okay, so given they're all together, that's not bad.
SPEAKER 05 :
No. It's cheaper than replacing the house.
SPEAKER 13 :
Cheaper than replacing, you can't replace a life, as we know, Will.
SPEAKER 05 :
Yep, exactly.
SPEAKER 13 :
So, yeah, in that respect, it's pennies on the dollar.
SPEAKER 05 :
Yeah, exactly.
SPEAKER 13 :
Even less. Or less, absolutely, less. Good to know, Will. Thank you. I did not know that. I will find one of those, put that up in our links as well. Thank you for that.
SPEAKER 05 :
Very good.
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Appreciate you, Will. Thank you for that. We have great listeners, by the way. And as you guys can all tell, that's where I was going back to even the whole sponsor thing a moment ago. We have a huge community of listeners. Will's all the way up in Conifer, so he's up in the foothills. And we've got folks all the way up into Wyoming, Nebraska, out to Kansas, all the way down into the panhandle of Texas. I had somebody email me first thing this morning, Kyle from Dallas. We've got folks literally from all over the country. Joe's back in Jersey. We've got folks that listen down – in Arizona, in California, in Minnesota, in Michigan, in Florida. And I've had some calls from Hawaii even. So we get them from all over. So we appreciate each and every one of you. And Will, thank you for that. I will definitely look that up here in a moment. Now, one thing, I know we talked about this in depth a few weeks ago, but since it's on the list, I'll go ahead and cover it really quick. But we did a whole show on this, spent an entire, I think we did almost two weeks on this, and that is your water heater. So... Check your water heater. Make sure things are working as they should and so on. Now, interestingly enough, and this one I've got to do a little bit more investigation work on because we talked about on-demand water heaters that particular show. And, again, this has been a few weeks ago, probably over a month ago. And I watched a video this last week that I didn't fully trust because I've got to do a little more research on this. But in this particular video, this person was saying, stay away from on-demand water heaters because A, they're super high maintenance. B, you never really own the heater. You're just leasing it, which I'm not sure I understood exactly what this person was saying. Because last I checked, when you own one outright, you own it. But this guy was really getting into the whole minutia of they don't work as good as they claim. They're a lot higher maintenance, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Now, personally speaking, I have not found that to be the reality. So I question that particular video that I watch. It happened to be sort of a video slash ad that came my way. And I will definitely do a lot more research on that to determine if, in fact, and this guy was really talking about new home installs that especially in that case you're not owning the heater somebody else is and i don't think that's true at least here in colorado i don't believe that to be true i do have a way of double checking that and i will do that for those of you that listen on a regular basis and find out in fact if this particular video was true again one of those one of the things i always talk about here drive radio even during the week not everything you see in a video true there is still in there not still there is and always has been especially on the internet and a lot of untruths that still get pushed out and because enough people will watch believe and so on it will come out as a truth even though there may have been a hint of truth to it maybe that's where it got started but all of a sudden it's full bore out there and the fact of the matter is maybe only a fraction of that happens to be true so be careful even when you're watching some of these videos and things along those lines Guys, that'll do it for Fix It Radio today. Myself, Larry Unger, Charlie Grimes, our engineer. And again, thank you if you're listening on Sunday and or Tuesday. We appreciate that as well. Website, fixitradio.com. This is KLZ 560.
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With Guest Host Pastor Bill Anderson and Protection Dog Trainer Jordan Henderson
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This is Ready Radio, preparing you to be ready for anything, now. Here's your survival guide for Ready Radio, John Rush.
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Hello, Denver, and this is Ready Radio. Today we have a live show. You can call in at 303-477-5600 or the text line 307-200-8222. Filling in for John, I am your preparedness pastor, your modern day Noah, Bill Anderson. And today we have with us Mr. Jordan Henderson. Jordan, how you doing?
SPEAKER 08 :
I'm doing well, Bill. How are you doing?
SPEAKER 11 :
Well, I'm doing well. It's 80 degrees yesterday, and I don't even know if we've broken 30 today. What a quick change of events with weather, huh?
SPEAKER 08 :
Yeah, yeah. It's Colorado weather, man. It's Colorado weather. So got to be ready for everything out here.
SPEAKER 11 :
Oh, that's a great topic. Ready. Be ready for everything. That's kind of the theme of the show here. So Jordan is our protection dog trainer. So we have a personal protection dog trainer. Kind of got into it not knowing what we were getting. We bought this dog. And, you know, kind of like, oh, no, what do we do? And then my wife was looking on Facebook and she saw this young man that we have known for quite some time. He was part of the church that we went to a long time ago in Castle Rock. And he was very young, about knee high to a grasshopper, I would say. Him and my oldest daughter at the same age. and she saw that he was training dogs, and so she took a picture of this dog and sends it over to him and says, do you know anything about these dogs? And he says, well, interesting enough, and you can take the story from here, Jordan.
SPEAKER 08 :
Yeah, it was funny. When I was reading the text messages, I was actually on a flight to go work some protection dogs out in California, and I looked down at my feet, and I had my Belgian Malinois Atlas, my oldest one, sitting at my feet and I think I text her back something like, yeah, I think I've heard of them. So they are the most extreme breed of dog on the planet. I mean, the history of the Belgian Malinois is that essentially herders, people who needed working dogs for herding, they got tired of feeding them. so many dogs and breaking so many dogs that eventually they bred a dog that could just go all day so they could keep half the dogs beat half the dogs and get the same amount of work out of them so they're little energizer bunnies uh with teeth so yeah and super smart too i remember um you know where we're still training her but uh it's probably been the easiest dog we've actually trained believe it or not even though it's been the hardest dog we've trained Oh yeah, absolutely. It's a lot of work. I mean, the blood, sweat, and tears aspect of it is more than any other dog you'll have. But as far as their willingness to work, their trainability is really high because they are always ready to learn something new, and they'll just work for you all day. So in that aspect, they are easy to train. They're just not easy to live with is really your main issue if you want a working dog. And, I mean, I say not easy to live with by, I would say, modern Western standards, specifically here in the U.S., you know, the main job of a dog – really in this modern society has become companionship. So mainly people just keep dogs for companionship and we've kind of grown a little bit out of touch with what it is to have a dog that is actually helping us do our daily tasks and upgrade our survivability.
SPEAKER 11 :
Yeah, and that's what we'll eventually get to here. But why don't you just, for the sake of people who don't know this world and especially don't know who you are, tell us a little bit about your credentials and what you have done. And I mean, you tell us stuff. We were just with you last night. You tell us stuff. And I'm just like, what? You did what? You were what? What? It's just crazy.
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You've got quite the crazy story.
SPEAKER 11 :
But, you know, we'll get into that a little bit later. But, you know, what got you started in this? And, you know, who are you in this world?
SPEAKER 08 :
yeah for sure so i own a company called incantante canine we are located in arvada colorado really overall we are a one-stop shop for everything dogs and dog training i am a graduate of napopo gold school which napopo is a trademarked dog training system founded by bart and michael ballone And, um, that is really the system of dog training that I predominantly train in now. Uh, even though I came up through the ranks, you know, just like most of the people in this world, you know, watching Cesar Milan videos and reading his books and, uh, our training techniques have really, really evolved over time. Um, And we really do anything from your normal pet dog stuff, teaching Fluffy how to go to its place bed and not bark at the doorbell, all the way to military law enforcement dogs, apprehension canines, detection and tracking, dual purpose, anti-poaching canines in Southern Africa, and sport dogs. here for civilian personal protection dogs. So I am a certified decoy in two sports, one being called PSA and the other being called Canine Street League. Those are really the predominant sports here in the United States for protection dogs. So outside of, you know, your everyday sports, Working dog, law enforcement canines who are doing the job out there on the streets every day, and the anti-poaching units down in southern Africa who are apprehending poachers. A lot of people that we work with, it's a hobby to them to go on a sport field and earn points. But we also do family and personal protection dogs. for civilians as well. So the distinction there is apprehension is more of an offensive tool for law enforcement and military, and then protection is more what we call the civilian aspect of it. But as for the road that got me here, I work with People, you know, we work internationally. I mean, we have a few different international seminars coming up here. We did a few international seminars last year, and we have contacts all around the U.S., out in California and in Florida predominantly. Um, but as, as far as how I got into this, it was a hobby jobby job progression for me. I mean, you brought up, you know, how you've known me since I was very young back. I remember back then, just in my teenage years, I was, I was training my, uh, mom's friends, dogs, you know, for, for five bucks, you know? Um, and it was just kind of a little hobby. I enjoy doing agility work with my own dog. And then it started kind of progressing to where I did make it my full-time career path after I started having kids. Before that, I was a wildlife naturalist, and I was a marine wildlife naturalist in Kaikōura, New Zealand. And so my specialty when I was a naturalist was predators, so it was kind of a natural progression to move into the whole protection dog thing.
SPEAKER 11 :
Got it. Yeah. So quite the story there. So why would somebody explain to me the difference between a pet dog and a working dog? And why would somebody want a pet dog or a working dog? Or is there such a thing as, hey, can I have a little bit of both?
SPEAKER 08 :
Yeah, yeah. That's a great question. It's an interesting question as well, because that question really only exists with my clients who are in the U.S., and it really just shows kind of the cultural difference. I mean, we were just down this past June working in Kenya, and it was a very interesting thing. I was talking to them out there, some of the Maasai that we were staying with, and I was kind of telling them, trying to explain to them my job, right, because I was like, I'm a dog trainer, and they're like, what kind of job is that, dude? Dogs don't need trained, you know? Because their dogs down there are both their pet dogs. It's the dogs that they feed and that sleep outside the house. And the predominant job of those dogs is they keep the village safe from hyenas. There were multiple nights where we would hear the hyenas come in and the dogs would just spin up. And somebody would come out with a flashlight and see and make sure what it was. They try not to send the dogs after, like, leopards because they'll get messed up. But they'll come out, see that there was hyenas, and just give them a command, and the dogs just in a whole pack go and protect the village. And it was interesting, as I explained my job, the pet dog side of things. Um, I, I was telling them, you know, my main job is to teach people, um, how to help their dogs stop pulling on the leash, how to not bark at, um, other dogs and strangers and how to like not bite people and all of that stuff, all the normal pet dog stuff that we do and they, and, and how to like live in the house nicely. And he goes, then why do these people even want a dog? He said, you know, why have a dog if it can't bark and warn you of danger and bite people who aren't supposed to be there and la, la, la. And it got me thinking it was just an interesting conversation. But, yeah, I mean, in the U.S., we definitely have a huge desire. And I look at it a little bit differently. I don't really make the distinction between pet dog and working dog. I believe that humans, since the dawn of time, have been living alongside dogs, and we have just used dogs and bred certain traits into dogs to help us live whatever lifestyle we are living in that moment. When we were nomadic, we were breeding for animals. sled and cart pulling dogs. We started using dogs for hunting purposes. I mean, as the firearms modernized, then we started realizing, okay, we don't have to send the dog after prey. We can actually just shoot the prey and then we can breed retrievers to go get us the prey so we don't have to walk in the swamps. To me, all dogs are working dogs. There is just a very distinguished job that is very common in the U.S. right now, and that job is to be a good working companion because it is a lot of work. And that's kind of the mindset from which I train pet dogs is, hey, your job is to be a good pet dog and to do all of the things that a good pet dog does. So you're supposed to be flat. You're not supposed to bark at the doorbell. Please don't be reactive to other dogs. I want to be able to bring you out to the patio. I want to be able to bring you to the kitchen. the dog park and, and, and go and hang out with you. And you just do a very good job at that. So then kind of what we're talking about now is, is, is the protection dog, like you brought up a protection dog. Your job is to protect myself and my family in specific scenarios or situations that may present themselves. And so you need to be very good at finding people, biting them and letting go when I tell you to. And the reality is, The job description of a dog that is very good at those things does not make them very good at the other job description, which is being not too extra in the house because these dogs need a very high level of drive and confidence and ignition for us to find any type of success in that job. So is there such thing as a good pet dog and a good protection dog in the same dog? I don't think so, but there is this thing that we call a switch, which is kind of that on and off switch. Some dogs have it, some dogs don't. I find it's mainly genetic, even though some of it we can nurture. But, I mean, I have a few different protection dogs currently, and out of those dogs, two of mine have a pretty good off switch. and can and do live in the house with my family. And one of them is not a very good family protection dog and that is because she doesn't have a good off switch so even within the the job description of working dog you know we have different goals for those dogs so just just to mention I mean Atlas is somewhere lumbering around the house hanging out with my family right now because something that I frequently say it's not a very good family protection dog if it can't be around your family so that is a key trait that we need for a family protection dog So Shenzi, my other dog, you know, she is a sport dog. She is my dog that I take out. And for the hobby of doing sport, she is very good at finding people. She's very good at biting people. She's not very good at hanging out on the place bed in the house and not destroying the house. So her lifestyle is a bit different and is more closely related to what you see when you look at like military working dogs and stuff like that.
SPEAKER 11 :
Yeah, I remember one time being at your house, and I was like, hey, Jordan, I need to use the restroom. And you're like, well, go in the house. And I'm like, uh-uh. I'm not going in unannounced with your dog sitting on the couch. Yeah, yeah. And, you know, it's, you know, I think we're okay with her now, but I still always am a little hesitant, especially when you hand me the leash of your other dogs. I'm like, I'm not sure about this.
SPEAKER 08 :
Yeah. Yeah. Sometimes I have to think twice, too. She'll be barking at me, lighting up, and I have to let her know, like, hey, it's me. Don't don't eat me, please. Yeah.
SPEAKER 11 :
And, you know, I think the struggle I've had, even since we've had our little dog and, you know, you know, the the dynamics of of what we've got going on. And and it's a real struggle for for people who don't get it. to make that mental switch of, no, this isn't, you know, fluffy on the couch. This isn't, you know, the idea of what you described as a pet dog, right? This dog has a purpose and the dog wants to be used for its purpose. It's, you know, that's what it's there for. And I think the dog is much more happier when it's fulfilling its role of what it was, you know, created to be. And, but you got that dynamic. And whenever I have some people come over the house and they're like, oh, can we pet your dog? And I'm like, no, please don't. And they're like, oh, that's so mean. Or they're trying to give them, you know, we'll have like people over for a picnic or something, you know, like a barbecue or something. And they're trying to give the dog the food scraps. And I'm like, please don't. Oh, but he's hungry or she's hungry. And I'm like, no, because I'm going to deal with that dog throwing up for the next two days because you gave her that. And it's like it's really hard, especially with family, you know. And so, I mean, can you talk about that a little bit? Because I think, you know, you probably got a mixed audience here of people going, yeah, I get it. And you got other people going, man, that's just cruel to the animal.
SPEAKER 08 :
Yeah, it's a good point. It comes up a lot in this field. There is a heavy aspect where these dogs are used as tools, and that kind of verbiage, I think, might offset a lot of people or trigger them into feeling a certain type of way when we say the dog is a tool. However, understand I take very good care of my tools and when I say the dog is a tool, dogs have always been that, right? Currently, in the current mind state, I mean it goes into kind of the conversation we just had, the companion dog and the petting of them and the overfeeding of them and the laying on the couch and the not doing too much and they're getting obese and they're too scared to do anything for themselves. I mean you're using, you're also using that dog as a tool. And that dog is a tool for your own mental health and sanity and companionship, which is an important thing to us humans. And I think that all dwindles down to choose the right breed. It's very unfortunate and it is a common thing I see with all types of dogs. The simplicity is like, hey, you chose the wrong breed for the type of lifestyle that you live. I'm not just talking about, hey, don't get a greyhound if you're not a runner. It's not as simple as that. It's a lot of people choose their dog based off of paint job and they think it looks good. The traits and the temperaments underneath the hood, it's like you don't want, you didn't want that engine, right? So don't choose a dog off of the paint job, right? It can be as simple as, and I'm sure we'll get into, you know, all the different jobs of dogs. But, I mean, I worked with someone who had a great Pyrenees from Working Lines, Livestock Guarding Working Lines, really nice dog. They got it as a young puppy, and they brought it to me because they lived in an apartment, which, first of all, that's a huge dog to have in an apartment just right off the bat. But this dog, their main problem was, I don't know what's wrong with him. He wants to kill all the dogs in our apartment complex. And it's like I just had to start by making them acknowledge, like, yeah, good dog. That is what it was bred to do. That dog has been bred for the past thousand years. to want to kill other dogs. And you cannot force your own anthropomorphism onto that dog and make him want to, oh, but we want to take him to the dog park and he needs friends and we want him to have dog friends and puppy play dates. But the dog doesn't want that. You want that. out of your dog, so you should have got a golden retriever. Your dog wants to kill other dogs. No, he wouldn't hurt a fly. No, that dog wants to kill other dogs and he'd have a good time doing it because that's what we as humans bred into that dog to specifically do. All dogs are our tools. A pug is a very good example. My sister-in-law has a pug. Pugs were bred as companion dogs to just lay on pillows and look at and look cute. And they're perfectly happy just getting fed all day and just laying there and not doing too much of anything, right? They're a great working companion if you just want like an emotional support dog or something. But I do know we have a mixed group. And so the main thing... that I want to say to the statement, you know, my dog is a tool, is that in the working dog realm, I see that the relationship between dog and handler is stronger than any pet dog I have ever seen. You know, and we help hundreds of pet dog clients per year. And I see that when you are really doing something with your dog and understanding your dog that much, communicating with your dog, and not only do you feel loved by your dog, but your dog actually feels loved by you in a way that speaks to them that they understand. I would say, I mean, my working dog handlers, they love their dog more than any dog owner I've ever seen, and it's because of the understanding and really the the trust loop that is happening because we're both on the same page you know and then i mean you you talk about um even working dogs protection apprehension dogs i'm i'm trusting my life and the life of my family to this dog and there's been situations where this dog trusts me with its life right we we trust each other and we love each other um to to a deeper to a deeper level um But at the same time, I mean, even if all of that went in one ear and out the other because somebody was maybe too triggered by the statement, the dog is a tool. Look, I take very good care of my tools. And if somebody thinks that the investment, that these dogs are simply an investment to us to be used up for a job and a task, understand that the care and facilitation of that dog Once that dog unfortunately passes, because they don't have as much time on Earth as I think they deserve, you know, I unfortunately, you know, they don't live as long as us, and you get the dog with that knowledge. Once that dog goes, it's a massive ding. to let's say the investment portfolio to then build up another puppy to the same level of that older dog with all of that experience, knowledge, endless time, money, and training that is poured into these animals. So, I mean, even if you look at it from an investment portfolio standpoint, the better care you take care of these dogs and keep them alive, healthy, and well over a long period of time, the better return on investment you get.
SPEAKER 11 :
Right, yeah, and we're going to grab a break here. So if you've got any questions for Jordan, now's the time to ask, whether you've got pet dog questions or any other dog questions. 303-477-5600, 307-200-8222, text line, and we'll get back after the break.
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Welcome back this is 560 KLZ and today we have Jordan Henderson with us talking all things dogs and we had a question come in Jordan over the break there on about well how do you know that this dog was designed and bred to kill all other dogs? You know, are there people just out there selling dogs just for the sake of selling them? Is there really legitimate markets versus black market? I mean, you know the story of how we got our dog. It wasn't the best thing. We bought him in a Safeway parking lot or bought her at a Safeway parking lot. And we didn't know any better either. Oh, puppies for sale. You know, and I guess we got lucky with ours. But we didn't know how to choose a puppy. And this was a nice little lecture you gave us afterwards. But yeah. The question was, well, how do you know? I bought this Pyrenees and I didn't know it was bred to kill other dogs.
SPEAKER 08 :
Yeah, good question. Good question. So breeds should be more than just the paint job or the look of the dog. If we get a dog where we say, hey, this dog, we kind of call it watered down, right? Watered down traits and temperaments. And a lot of this comes from breeding for looks. But Originally, the dogs were bred for their working traits. So you're breeding for the specific traits for whatever job or goal. And there's all different types of ones. I mean, I'm mainly in the protection field, so I talk mostly about that. But there's all different types of dogs that were bred for a certain purpose, right? Huskies, Malamutes being bred to pull sleds, Newfoundlands being bred to pull carts, Pyrenees specifically is a type of dog called a livestock guardian breed. So they were bred for the specific traits to guard livestock and kill predators. And it's pretty amazing. You know, you have your healers and your herders, your collies, your blue healers and things like this. They were bred to basically fight livestock, which is a breed trait that is bred out of of livestock guardians. They temperamentally do not fight livestock. Even the way they move, if you watch a collie move through livestock, they're very sharp, very quick movements, and the livestock disperses away from them. And yet a Pyrenees can walk through a whole herd of sheep, and the sheep almost don't even notice because of its lumbering movements. Even the way they move is bred into it genetically. So I think when it comes to, I mean, you used the word black market, right? I would call it more, you know, backyard breeding programs of people who don't really know what they're doing. They kind of are just breeding dogs. And essentially, they don't get the best working traits. So those are kind of the watered down lines of, yeah, this dog is this breed, but it's not the best representation of the temperament of this breed. So to answer the question, how do I know that that that specific client that I brought up, um, that, that dog was bred to kill all dogs and wanted to kill all dogs is because a, the dog was showing me, uh, that he wants to kill the other dogs, you know? And, and if you don't anthropomorphize the dog too much and understand, Hey, this is a predator, right? You can very easily see that dog wants to kill all dogs. But it's also because I knew the breeder. I knew where that dog came from. And, uh, Pyrenees are a More ancient breed than even your Malinois, and they are going to have been bred for the past thousand years to find those good traits. Don't fight livestock. Move in a big, lumbering, non-threatening way, and if you see another predator, other dogs being one of them, kill them.
SPEAKER 11 :
Gotcha. Yeah, that's a, you know, I think it's an important missing element when people search out dogs. Like you say, I like what you said, you know, the paint job, you know, lions look pretty cool, too. I mean, I'd love to have a lion, but I don't think I really want a lion, you know, because 100% was under the hood there. So You know, this show is all about preparedness and being ready for whatever comes our way. And it's not just, you know, the doomsday apocalypse or the zombie apocalypse. It can be, you know, all kinds of different things, you know, economical, medical, political, whatever it may be. You know, even just a personal travesty that could put you in a position where, hey, am I prepared? What role could a dog play in our preparedness? Yeah.
SPEAKER 08 :
Absolutely. Great question. I love that you brought up the maybe wanting to get a lion because that segues perfectly into kind of my thoughts about the preparedness level of a dog. Look, I'm a dog trainer. I love dogs. I love all dogs. I mean, I have a Chihuahua. But it is very interesting to me as far as preparedness. When you're looking at your preparedness plan with your dogs, one thing that's good to acknowledge and understand is dogs. dogs in general right especially companion dogs that don't have a working task are a pretty big ding on the preparedness plan overall as i see it right they're they're a they're predators we have these predators in the house with us right humans are crazy we're the only we're the only thing in the animal kingdom who goes oh look a predator why don't i have that sleep in my house with my children, right? No other animal is going to do that with one of its other predators, something higher in the food chain than itself. They eat a lot and they have big, nasty, stinky poops in the backyard that aren't very good for composting, right? So it's very funny. I have tons of dogs, but for me, I'm like, hey, you know what? A dog is not a very good asset to your, let's say, homestead if you have that, right? I think it's crazy that dogs are the number one pet in the U.S. It's like, we should all have a couple chickens in the backyard, right? Because they're great. You know, I know you're a crazy chicken person just like I am. They give you food, right? In a worst case scenario, you know, they can also give you meat. You can get a tiny Nigerian dwarf goat and you can have something that really just eat sticks and they don't have a super high hay bill in comparison to your other livestock. They have very clean little pellet poops that are great for composting and super rich in vitamins and minerals and you can get cheese and fresh milk and make a lotion and all that and also I have four goats. The goats are very trainable, and you could keep them in the house if you wanted to. I mean, I walk my goats off leash all the time. They're very trainable. They have just as much personality as a dog, and I'm like, hey, what if dwarf goats were the number one pet in America? Like, how would all of our preparedness and survivability go up for our family? But probably most people here who are still listening, they have a dog at home, right? So For my own preparedness plan for the dogs, it's like you have to understand the dogs eat a lot, right? Have a backup of food storage, especially on site here, right? I have nine dogs. So whenever I buy a bag of food, you know, I buy a couple extra bags of food if finances allow so that I can constantly just be building a backstock of food. Um, in case something does happen, right. If the, if the supply lines are cut or there's a blizzard here in Colorado and, and, and my chewy order is not going to get here on time. Right. I don't want to have to be feeding my dogs, my family's food stores. Um, that that's for, that's for my wife and kids, you know? Uh, so having food, having the ability to filtrate water, um, and we do have a little micro homestead here. So, I mean, we have horses and pig and, and, and ducks and chickens and goats, like I said, um, having the ability to have a backup storage of water for the livestock separately. And then on top of that, I have a backup storage of water for the dogs, all dogs on site separately. That could get us through, you know, whatever, power outage. I mean, we're on a well, so if the power goes out, the well pump also goes out. And then having the ability to filtrate water over time. for that so if you just have you know your normal everyday pet dog at home you know you can go go go to pet smart and and get a couple extra cases of wet food in cans right that has a really stable shelf life throw it in the bottom of the closet forget about it and just have it there for just in case something happens you know a five gallon jug of water will be be fine and it'll be better than nothing um but for me in my own personal life with the preparedness plan with the dog's Most all my dogs on site have some type of job. So I have three protection dogs. Like I said, Atlas is the family protection dog. Shenzi is really my sport dog, but she would make a great apprehension dog if situation dictated that. And then we have a smaller Dutch Shepherd, a younger Dutch Shepherd on the come up. So with my plan, I'm also planning out in the future, right? Unfortunately, one day Atlas is going to move on and I'm going to have to have that next temperamentally sound dog on standby. We also have a livestock guardian dog, and his job is to protect all the livestock on site. He is a Turkish Boz Shepherd, and he eats a lot of food, so always having backup food storage for him is important. But it's been a great convenience for us to not have to worry about our pretty heavy predator load that we have here at our location um to just have him out there doing his thing and he does a great job um making sure no predators get in to our homestead and uh what we got going on there we have we do have a few pet dogs but um again i mean i have they're they're great they they just they just stay in the backyard and make sure coyotes don't jump the fence
SPEAKER 11 :
Yeah. And by the way, you're in town, you're down the street from an elementary school and you have a predator load.
SPEAKER 08 :
You have a very high predator load. We have a ridiculous coyote load here in this, in this area. Um, the black bears come through here, um, twice a year when it's their season. Usually it's heavier when they're going into hibernation, they come into town to get some food. And then currently, um, As of yesterday, I mean, we have a mountain lion and she's bringing her cub through here. So she's on site. Yeah, we just had a sawboat chase off a coyote off our property yesterday.
SPEAKER 11 :
Yeah, you were telling us that. So when we come back, we're going to grab our second break here. When we come back, Jordan, you know. So preparedness for our dogs is great, but why would we have a dog in our prep? I know you had mentioned your livestock guardian dog. That's going to keep your livestock protected. And then the personal protection, and I know you've probably got, if you're willing to share, a couple of examples as to where your dog has helped you. So when we come back after the break here, we'll talk of that. 560-KLZ.
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And welcome back. And we're here talking about Jordan and dogs. And Jordan, you got a website or something that people can look you up on or how can they contact you if they want some training for their puppies?
SPEAKER 08 :
Yeah, absolutely. Our website is incantanek9.com, I-N-K-E-N-T-S-H-A-N-E-K, the number 9.com. Incantane is the name for the Zulu word for the African painted dog. So my company is named after those animals that we worked with down in South Africa.
SPEAKER 11 :
Gotcha. So this is AM radio, so it's probably an older crowd. So repeat and go a little slower.
SPEAKER 08 :
That's right. Incantane, I-N-K-A-N-E-K. K-E-N-T-S-H-A-N-E-K, the number nine, .com. Incantani Canine. You can find us on Facebook for the older crowd. We're also on Instagram. You can send us an email, dogtraining at incantanikanine.com, or you can reach us at our business number, 720-527-9441.
SPEAKER 11 :
Perfect. And I know you do all kinds of training, pet dogs, protection dogs. You do board and trains. People can even just hand you their dog and, you know, whenever the timeline is, come back and they got a trained up dog there for them. And so you offer all kinds of services. That's really, really great. So, you know, we talked about, you know, one thing I wanted to bring up, you know, feeding the dog. And I think it was really good because a lot of times people forget their animals in their preparation plan. But, you know, another thing that you can do, too, if you do have, you know, a rotation of chickens and rabbits or whatever it may be, you know, we I know people that actually have a rabbit breeding program just to feed their dogs because they feed them the live the live rabbits or, you know, actually they dispatch the rabbits for them, but they don't cook them or anything like that. And they just give them the whole the whole rabbit. And it's always an interesting conversation on that, too, because people are like, what they. They eat a raw rabbit. I'm like, yeah, what do you think they eat in the wild? They don't kill that rabbit and spark up the barbecue grill.
SPEAKER 08 :
Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, and you've been helping me a lot with my rabbit breeding program, too, and that is really to facilitate. I mean, I have nine dogs. That's to facilitate the food for the dogs. And, you know, in austere circumstances, it's going to be good to have a situation where you aren't having the dog giving your own food preparedness plan for your family any big hits. So, yeah, the rabbit meat is a great option, and my dogs love chowing down on some rabbits for sure.
SPEAKER 11 :
Yeah, it's the ultimate raw diet, right? You know, sometimes even, listen, if you process your own rabbits for your own meat like I do, You know, close your ears if this is offensive to you, if you're soft. But, you know, I throw the heads in the freezer and the tails and the ears and the feet. And I'll give my dog a frozen rabbit head and literally gone in like three minutes. Gone. And it's just a great treat.
SPEAKER 08 :
Yeah, all the stuff you don't eat.
SPEAKER 11 :
Yep, all the stuff you don't eat, right? It's great. Give all the innards to them. I mean, that's what they eat in the wild, guys. So it's like we've got to stop humanizing our animals. Um, so, you know, protection, I mean, that's why we brought our dog to you and, uh, and hopefully she'll come along here, but, um, you know, cause I always want that element of, you know, do we have a gun? Do we have self-defense? Do we have this? Is it, it's another layer of protection in my opinion. And I think it's a pretty good deterrent. Don't you, Jordan?
SPEAKER 08 :
Absolutely. Yeah. Studies have shown that any, any, any, uh, anyone that causes, uh, you harm or means you harm. I mean, they've done plenty of interviews. The two things that criminals don't like are dogs and kids because they're so unpredictable, right? So even, I mean, studies show that even the dog, even a dog, if you have a little Pomeranian, they still don't like that. But how much better is it to have a big, scary looking dog barking in the backyard? It's going to be a huge deterrent and it's going to save your bacon, I'm sure. I'm a big proponent of Similar to the way that we don't you know brandish weapons as a threat, you know It's like for me personally if my dog is gonna bark then I'm gonna make sure that that dog also can bite and that's gonna upgrade our survivability in a in a way that that is is Even that extra layer where it's like me personally. I don't want any of my dogs that are here that are pet dogs Who aren't about that life? Let's say I I don't want them barking at people, right? You're going to get yourself hurt. So either do something about it or be quiet because, yeah, I definitely like my dog's bite to match their bark.
SPEAKER 11 :
That's a very interesting statement there because I don't know how many people I run into and they're like, oh yeah, my dog, if you broke into my house or if you came into my yard, my dog's going to get you. And nine times out of ten, that's not true.
SPEAKER 08 :
Yeah, absolutely not. Absolutely not. I mean, I am a professional decoy, right? I have worked with some of the hardest hitting most about it dogs in the world. And, and I can tell you right now, there's 99.99% chance. And, and, that if I come into your house, your dog's not going to protect you. I can come in suited up with nothing in my hands, and if I come running at you yelling, your dog's going to hide behind you if they're not prepared and trained for that situation.
SPEAKER 11 :
Yeah, but people think about that. They think, oh, no, my dog's going to bark and bite and blah, blah, blah, blah, because they do it every time the Amazon truck pulls up or somebody rings the doorbell. I have to hold them back, and they misapply that and what the dog is doing because the dog is, and I'll let you to do it because you're the professional. I'll let you explain it, but what the dog is doing is not what you think it's doing.
SPEAKER 08 :
Yeah. The dog is, the dog is trying to push you away with a show, a display of force. Um, but there's no, there's nothing really behind it to back it. Right. Um, the dog is, is really talking, talking big because he's afraid. And if you cross that line, the dog is gonna go, go to run. Um, it, it, if, if I look, I wish it was as easy as getting any dog from any shelter and, um, and just making that dog love you and be loyal to you and imprint on you, and then that dog is going to protect you with its life, because the reality is it's not. If that were as easy as it was, we would not go through the great lengths that we do to get the proper genetics, get the proper temperament, get the proper dog. And then all of this training effort and time that we pour into building these strong protection dogs, we wouldn't have to do it if that was the case, right? I mean, one of my dogs is imported from Ireland. You know, the other one comes from lines from Holland and France. There's a reason that we have to go out of country and import these dogs. And then even then, some people import dogs and they don't cut it because they simply don't have the courage.
SPEAKER 11 :
Yeah. Yeah. It's like like you said earlier, you have to turn the switch off on some of your dogs. We're trying to get my dog to turn the switch on. And a lot of people think everybody's going to turn everybody's dog is going to turn that switch on. And I'm like, no, you know, I've had this conversation with with a lot of family members are like, oh, that dog's loyal to me. I'm like that dog really may may like you a little bit. But at the end of the day, that dog could care less what you do.
SPEAKER 08 :
Yeah, and even, look, even if they do love you and they are loyal to you, at the end of the day, they're going to worry about themselves first because they're animals and that's what they do, right? If there's a big scary thing, well, look, just that dog loves you. Your mom, your dad, they're going to hide behind you and be like, Mom, Dad, handle this person who just broke into the house, right? He's scaring me.
SPEAKER 11 :
Right, right. Yeah, and a lot of times when dogs bark and they growl and they look like that, they're actually defending themselves, not you.
SPEAKER 08 :
Yeah, absolutely. Getting a highly trained, real-world protection dog is a huge survivability upgrade for anybody who's out there. I mean, we have a saying, you can recall a dog, you can't recall a bullet, right? So that's what we're looking at there is if I send my dog or if my dog goes to bite someone and they go, whoa, whoa, whoa, okay, I don't actually want to go there, I can go, okay, dog, down, right? Don't bite them. And so that's a great aspect. The other great aspect for me, and I know yourself as a family man, is that my dog, I can train with my dog every day. And I can send my dog with my family. I mean, my children are not efficient or effective in working other contemporary means of self-defense, right? Guns, knives, martial arts, anything like that. But I can send this very highly trained specialist. basically a whole security team bundled up into our dog for them when they go anywhere that they go. And simply all my wife needs to remember is what the commands are, right? And we have our plan that we outline, and I outline this plan with various – personal protection or family protection dogs that we facilitate all around the world. Essentially, we get these dogs, we train them up for customized training packages to this family-specific needs to fit your lifestyle so that you get the dog that is going to live best with you. But then we go through a handler course to let everybody know exactly how to handle this dog and how to integrate them into their preparedness plan to the best of their ability to set them up for success. I tell them, you know, there are certain situations where, I mean, if you come across me and you want to act dumb somewhere, you're dealing with a double whammy because you're going to deal with my dog and me, right? But with my wife, you know, I tell her, you know, that's Atlas's job. You, you, You give the command and you get the kids out of there and you drop a pin or Atlas' GPS caller, hopefully it's on, and you let me know where she is and I'll go either, you know, I'll be scooping the body of somebody. But either way, the kids and the wife are the priority, you know, and that's kind of where we stand.
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And, you know, you made something interesting too about commands and a lot of people go, oh, well, you know, anybody can give my dog commands. And we kind of even realized that last night when you, you told my dog out and she didn't, I had to say out, which was kind of, cause she usually listens to you. So it was kind of like a moment and it was like, you know, your dogs know your voice. And, and that's why also too, you know, it's kind of fun because we teach our dogs, dogs commands in different languages, which people don't really know what we're saying unless you're of that nationality. But yeah, You know, that's not necessarily true, but do you have a quick couple examples of when you have utilized your dog in real life? Absolutely.
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Absolutely. And we think of everything in training. We try to train for every situation, right? Just like what you brought up. I mean, there's been training sessions where even in my other language, I've given the decoy what the out command is, and he said out, and I say bite. bite and dog you better listen to me and and realize not to listen to them because out in the real world right there's no rules so we have to be trained for that my my personal dog has saved my bacon on you know who knows how many times as far as the turret goes but I mean you win every fight you don't get into but four times has she actually stopped and a situation from happening um and without going into too much detail you know she has stopped a carjacking at a gas station uh for me um actually two carjackings um for for me um and also one home invader And also, this was more of a deterrent situation, but somebody did, you know, have a weapon. And I simply told her, like, hey, watch that guy. And she makes her display of aggression and scared him off. But, I mean, if he wanted to push the issue, like I said before, her bite matches her bark.
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Gotcha. Yeah, I don't know what's going on up there in Arvada there, Jordan, but you got car jackets and home revisions. Hey, one more time, shoot us your website and your phone number one more time for people to get in touch with you.
SPEAKER 08 :
Absolutely. If anybody wants to go to the website, it's incantanek9.com. I-N-K-E-N-T-S-H-A-N-E-K, the number nine, dot com. And we are Incantanek9 on all platforms, Facebook, Instagram, TikTok. My phone number is 720-527-9441. We're open 7 a.m. to 7 p.m., seven days a week, 365. So you can shoot me a call or a text, 720-527-9441.
SPEAKER 11 :
Awesome. Thanks a lot, Jordan. All right, Denver, another great time spending with you this week. I'll be again with you next week. In the meantime, keep your eyes open, your ears open, and always be ready.
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In today's episode, we explore the stark realities of the current economic climate, with Dana shedding light on how Americans are grappling with their savings and spending habits. The discussion extends to the intricate world of politics, spotlighting welfare schemes, legislative battles, and the messages from history that still resonate today. Plus, get insights into new product innovations with the PR-57 and dive deep into the world of financial investments with Gold's rising prominence.
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It's his life mission to make bad decisions. It's time for Florida Man.
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Now, this guy seems kind of polite to the cops. In a weird way, a Florida man was caught on video offering the cops a vodka spritzer during his car chase. The man allegedly robbed a convenience store, led police in pursuit, crashed, and then wrapped it by asking the police if they had fun. It was on April 19th in the Spring Lake Market in Sebring, Florida. A store had been robbed. They called the police. They identified the suspect as 39-year-old Richard Christopher Smith of Miami. And he walked out with several items from the store, including alcoholic beverages. And when the police arrived, they saw him in his black Chrysler Pacifica minivan driving in circles around the store. The driver then took off. Grand theft. Now, he took off, spotted the authorities, and they began a chase that lasted several miles. Now, during the pursuit, a deputy parked on the road ahead of the driver can be heard on body camera footage yelling for Smith to stop. But the suspect drove on by holding a can of what authorities say was a vodka spritzer out of the driver's side while yelling, quote, I was just going to give y'all a drink. That's it. Then the police reportedly had to use spike strips to flatten the tires in the minivan. And then he tried to ram two patrol vehicles. He finally came to a halt after crashing into one. They totally tased him because he didn't get on the ground. And then while he was handcuffed, he asked the officers, you guys had fun though, right? He's being held on $120,000 bond. I mean, he gave him a vodka spritzer and he asked him if they had fun, Kane. Kane and I are a little divided on this story. So a Florida man was caught on camera pinning down an 11-year-old girl that he thought was egging his house. The Hillsborough County Sheriff said, yeah, you can't. I mean, he legit tackled her. He thought that she was egging his home.
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All right, now tell everyone your position.
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43-year-old Morris Mutu. Okay, Kane's like, that's crazy that he tackled her. If a kid was egging my house, I would beat that kid's ass. Yes, I would tackle them and beat them in front of their parents, and then I'd beat their parents.
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You're a girl. You can tackle another girl.
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I would tackle a boy, too.
SPEAKER 05 :
Yeah, you're a girl. You can tackle a boy or a girl.
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So your point is that a man can't do this because it's a man. That's sexism.
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Yes. No, a man who is clearly 150 pounds above her is literally physically tackling her about eggs. Well, let's get real here.
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I think he should have confirmed that it was her before he did it. That's his mistake.
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Is that really where the mistake is?
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Yes, that was his mistake. That's the only mistake. He should have. Because if she was egging his house, I'd be like, get it.
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That's literally his only mistake.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yes, it's his mistake.
SPEAKER 05 :
So the tackling of the girl is not the mistake.
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Yes, he shouldn't have tackled her until he confirmed that.
SPEAKER 05 :
Okay, so there's two mistakes now.
SPEAKER 04 :
No, no. He should have confirmed it first before he tackled her.
SPEAKER 05 :
Okay, so wait a minute. He shouldn't be tackling her in any way, shape, or form because of eggs.
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I'm old school. I'm going to beat your kids with whatever thing I have and tackle them. I believe, look, if you don't discipline your kids, I sure as hell will. I don't agree with someone. I would expect society to do the same. If one of my kids are out wild in which they never would. I expect somebody to slap him with a flip-flop.
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There's another side to this coin, then. Think about this. What if it's your daughter?
SPEAKER 04 :
I just explained it. If my daughter was egging someone's house, feed her ass. Yes. That's right. Do it before I do, because she ain't walking after.
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He didn't confirm that she actually did it. He just suspected she did.
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This is my whole mantra for misbehaving kids for life.
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That's...
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the radio audience she raised her flip-flop i totally did that's the only way to deal with them but if it's my daughter and it wasn't confirmed she did it and yeah i wouldn't go to a kid if i didn't if i was like oh i'm not sure but it could be you no you can form it first if somebody wrongfully tackled your daughter which was my question what would you do well i'd be like what was she doing why why did you i mean if she was on your he she was on his property Look, I'm not defending the guy. I'm saying he should have confirmed it first.
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Okay, because it felt like you were defending him.
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But I also feel like we live in a society where you can take a knife into a tent and stab somebody to death. And hey, it's okay. Justice for that guy. You know? I'm like, where does it end?
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I'm just saying, if you're going to say that I hate old people, it sounds like you're defending this guy. And that's where I was coming from. So you're defending a...
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Well, he's 43, so he's hardly an old guy. But he's older, yeah. But it was in Tampa. He's a parking enforcement specialist. And they said, oh, no, he shouldn't have done this. It's unacceptable. What gets me, though, is there was a woman recording it who just heard, all she did was go, get off her, get off her. If I was a woman and I thought that there was a child being manhandled by an adult and they needed help, I'm not going to stand there and record it. I'm going to pop you. That's the thing. Like, he is damn lucky that there was nobody there that thought he was trying to kidnap this girl because he'd be dead. Yeah. He'd be dead. You cannot just... Oh man, there's so many variables here. But yeah, spare the rotten, spoiled child. That's exactly what happens. Exactly what happens. You gotta be careful with some of this stuff. A man dives into a lake to save a wounded eagle. This guy needs to be getting a medal from POTUS. He saved a life of an eagle that fell into a lake in his backyard. The bird was injured during a fight with another eagle. The eagle's stable has a long road to recovery at the Wildlife Center of Southwest Florida. Oh, my gosh. Right. Super. That's the most symbolic story I've ever heard in my life. Our partners that help bring you the program. It's our friends over at Caltech, the PR 57 chambered in five seven. One of the newest. This is such a great this is a must have. Now, I've encouraged people before to go and get things like. You know, the KSG, which I also think is a must-have, but you absolutely must have the PR-57 rotary barrel pistol. First off, it's 40% lighter than the next lightest 5.7. It's slimmer. It's lighter. Now, how do they do that? They have an innovative rotary barrel. But they also have a unique top-loading design that replaces traditional magazines with stripper clips. That creates a slimmer carry profile, and you've got a 20-plus-1 capacity. Super low recoil. I mean, it's just like butter. Perfect for everyday carry. Like, I could actually legitimately conceal carry this 5.7. I can't with others, but I could this. The MSRP, only $399. It is an absolute winner. This is Chelsea Handler from Dear Chelsea. Picture this. You're on an important call.
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Good. They should be. And they should get back pay, back everything. Absolutely. Because that was insane what they did. Absolutely insane. What blows my mind, and I brought this up, I mentioned this before, we sat down with... Army General and Futures Command, and they were talking about recruitment. Now, it's SecDef Hegseth, by the way, just then, speaking about welcoming back those soldiers that were shoved out because of the RONA jab requirements. But I remember saying something to the effect of, well, maybe we wouldn't have such a problem with recruitment if people hadn't seen military members being forced out because they wouldn't get an experimental injection that wasn't even a therapeutic injection. much less a vaccine. And that was just allowed to happen. It's asinine. So yeah, they're owed a lot. Welcome back to the program. Dana Lash with you at the bottom of this second hour. Already, it's weird. I almost said first. I am happy to see that, but now we've got to get other things situated. This fallout over these Pentagon leaks, it enrages me. As I said yesterday, these people are in these positions. They serve the—you serve the office. You serve the position. You serve the land. You don't serve a politician. You do your duty, and your duty is not to divide and create fodder that can— destabilize national security and contribute to a reduction in people who seek to serve. And he's got it cut out for him. I hear from people all the time that they think that these changes can be made instantaneously. And that just because Trump is in the White House and Hegseth is now where he is, that everything in the DOD and Pentagon is going to change. It's not. It's a fight because you have to remember how long these people have been generationally entrenched. It would be great if you could just do it with one appointment or one election cycle. But that's unfortunately not how it operates. It's not how it works. It takes a long time to get these people out. Because they're entrenched. They got these positions because they were appointed. They weren't elected. And they stay there. And then they make themselves indispensable because they know how everything works. And they count on you to let them know how everything works so they can get everything done. By the way, that's one of the big reasons I... opposed term limits. I think term limits are unconstitutional. I agree with the founders in the Federalist Papers on this, particularly Hamilton, even Adams. They wrote that one of the things you have to be aware of is if you have constantly changing, well, you're removing the vote from the person. Voters are the term limit. Your vote is the term limit. Because people, the people that I have seen who argue the most for term limits are people who've never canvassed for a politician in their lives. Phone banked, gone door to door, nothing, nothing. They don't, can I be honest? These people don't do anything at all whatsoever to get votes. And as a result, they just want to farm out to the government for term limits. They want to farm out their duty to the government for term limits. Nothing good ever happens when you decide to jettison individual civic responsibility and give it to the government. You never get it back. But to that point, the... The bureaucratic class is empowered when you have term limits like that. You have those people that get entrenched, the lobbyists, and we have a problem with lobbyists writing our laws now. What do you think it's going to be like when those people are always there and you just have a revolving door of people every few years that come in because of term limits? Some lawmakers I want to stay there, like Thomas Massey. I want him to stay there for as long as he wants to stay there. Right. I think he's a great a great example. Rand Paul. I want Rand Paul to stay there as long as Rand Paul wants to stay there. Some others, you know, people vote for Nancy Pelosi. You know, they they I think her district is so left, they're insane. She's the needles and feces district. That's literally her district. Of course they vote for her. Because the super rich people that live out there, they're not bothered by all the stuff that bothers everyday people. They're not bothered by any of that stuff. So... But I agree with what the founders had said in terms of empowering this bureaucratic class. It is a danger. And this is one of the things that you have to worry about within the DOD. And he's got a fight on his hands. It appalls me that people... run to the press instead of taking care of things behind doors. First off, it's not New Testament. It's chaotic and it's designed to inflict pain and inadvertently inflicts pain the greatest amongst on the voters, really. Gold prices have surged over 40% since January 2024, consistently reaching new highs. 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And now, all of the news you would probably miss. It's time for Dana's Quick Five.
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Oh boy, here come the economic headlines. But you knew this was going to happen. This was something that was going to happen. Nearly half of Americans, though, have given up on saving money. 67% feel that they are behind on their savings goals. Nearly half don't believe that they're ever going to reach their target. 63% of people with savings accounts have withdrawn money. since the beginning of 2025 for unexpected expenses. That's the top one. That's 48% everyday necessities. Younger generations are more satisfied with their banks, but yet they're more willing to switch, which is interesting. That is a very, your bank is like a very, that's a very personal thing. More and more people. There's a big old flash in war. Now, this is true. You can still think that this is the best way to go with things in terms of securing long-term economic growth. stability that you can still think that that's the way to go. But the reality right now, longer hair, nails at home, fewer facials. The economic warning signs are flashing at the salon. Salon owners say that they are seeing a huge shift in their clients spending and they think it's what is ahead for a wider economy. I've heard this. I have a friend who is a stylist and I have heard this, that people not only they're also changing what they're buying. So instead of buying like maybe the more Like expensive moisturizer. Men are like, what? You mean you just don't, you know, wop off the water off your face and call it a day? No, I know. But like instead of the expensive moisturizer and things like that, they're actually they're they're they're buying the cheaper stuff. And we're seeing it with hair. We're also seeing it with other services like women. I think women get their nails done for women. Because men don't care, do you men? Unless they're really long and they look, you know, like, you know, like ridiculous. I don't think that they care. Women get it. Women get it for women. But they're also seeing that as well. They said that they're taking longer between their visits. Pre bookings are down. This is something that's I'm just saying we knew it was coming, though. The FDA has suspended milk quality tests. amid workforce cuts. But they're going to be mad over unpasteurized milk at health food stores that operate like a Sam's, really. Food and Drug Administration suspending a quality control program for testing of fluid milk and other dairy products, they say. That's the reduced capacity is because of, well, they said that they're running low on people. And it's in their food safety and nutrition division. It was an internal email that Reuters saw. And they said there was a termination of 20. I don't I don't think you need a million employees to do this. I'm sorry. You don't need like 30,000 employees at the Department of Health and Human Services to do all this. They're trying to say Trump is. Oh, my gosh. Can you believe it? Trump is going to kill us all with poisoned milk.
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Is this the same entity that gave us red dye 40?
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Yeah, it is the exact... You know what? It's so funny that you mentioned that. Yes.
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Just making sure.
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And all of the other fun colors. What? You know, if they're... That's... It's true. They also say cigarettes are safe. Oh. Yeah. Just FYI. So they said that... Oh, here's the kicker. Here's what Reuters says. By the way, guys, the suspension is another disruption to the nation's food safety programs. Meh. Because of Trump's effort to shrink the federal workforce. Meh, meh. Really? Oh my gosh, yeah. Oh, so bad. You know what? I just think that if you still have thousands and thousands of employees and you can't do this stuff anyway, something's wrong with how you're structured. Gotta say it. The top producer in 60 Minutes quits saying that he lost independence. Is anybody at all surprised about any of this? No, no one's surprised. They said that they're facing a lot of pressure. and their corporate ownership at Paramount, the parent company of CBS. They've entered what they call a period of turmoil. Bill Owens, who is the executive producer of 60 Minutes, said that he's going to resign from this long-running program because he's lost his journalistic independence. Like, we never believed that you had it anyway. Stop. And he said that they face mounting pressure from both the president, who sued for $10 billion... And include and then also its own corporate ownership at Paramount. I think it has more to do with Paramount than it has to do with Trump. And they're just.
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But his independence cost him money. Let's be real.
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For real. No one believes that they're independent over there. Come on. It's 60 minutes. It's CBS. Nobody believes this. Oh, there's going to be a cosmic smiley face in the sky in Arizona. What if it's frowning? Is that bad luck? Is that bad? The crescent moon is going to align with Venus and Saturn to form an emoji-like grin. It's actually a sweet little smile. It was visible over Bangkok a couple of years ago. Now it's going to be visible over Arizona. They'll be able to see it on Friday morning. It's going to be like a lopsided moon and two stars. It's supposed to look like a smiley face. Don't think that it means God is pleased with you. He's watching you right now. He saw what you did. Still low. But they can you can go and it'll be in there. But I guess like only in certain parts, obviously, of the United States, you're going to be able to see it in Arizona and maybe New Mexico. Let's see. Oh, yes. And 60 Minutes is going for sale, too. This also, let's see, 31. So here's a poll. I saw this and I had a couple of people send this to me, a couple of people who were tariff angry. They're saying Americans are souring on the handle end of the economy. And 37 percent approved. Now, hold up, hold up. They were talking about specifically long the way that they the way that they posed the question to these respondents was about the gold age of America, including tariffs or not. And having that be a long, like an established, and people did not approve of that. But they're twisting it, of course. We have a lot more on the way. Stick with us. POTUS had tweeted, well, not tweeted. He was mulling over, and I've heard this before with people in a circle. Now, like I said, I think that the deregulation is good. I shouldn't have to sit around here and lay out all the things that I like so I can say one thing that I disagree with. I mean, we're all adults here, right? We can all handle it. So this is speculation and it might just be the team brainstorming and then, you know, kind of testing the waters a little bit by suggesting that they're going to have this. New York Post says Trump mulls $5,000 baby bonus for moms in bid to reverse declining birth rates. Well, we have that. We have that right now. It's called welfare. You don't need to give people money to spur breeding. If you reduce the tax burden, if you reduce government spending, if you deregulate, you're going to see this happen organically to where you're not going to have to Give people five thousand dollars. Now, they were saying this five thousand dollar selection or this this choice for this. They were saying that this is, you know, it's it's five thousand dollars for people considering starting. You know, people are going to start a family and it's to help, I guess, with like first year, you know, whatever. And some of the responses that I saw to this were, oh, that's great. I guess you just don't want to end childhood poverty by giving somebody $5,000. And I'm like, what? Where do you come from that you think $5,000 is going to end childhood poverty? Like, it's $5,000. It might seem like over the span of... It's not as much as what this will cost. Let's put it like that. Now... Again, they're just – I get it that they're just kind of like brainstorming, but I don't want this to take root because it is. It's welfare. We have welfare. We've had welfare for years. Cain, how well is welfare worked out?
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Yeah, it seems – Like it's gotten bigger, which is a problem. Because there is no point in time until we actually do the policies that he's talking about, which is allowing these businesses to compete, lowering prices, more jobs. People are less reliant. Until that happens, we're not going to see a decrease in those sucking from the teat of government as opposed to contributing to the teat, I guess.
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Contributing to the teat. Look, we created an extra teat. Look at that. It's great. Why do the people think that $5,000, oh my gosh, it's ending childhood poverty. What, $5,000 to have a baby? I'm set for life. $5,000, I never have to work again. I got $5,000 whole dollars. What? Let's go to the casino.
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$5,000.
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Seriously? It's wealth redistribution. Here's where I'm going to get real mean. This is absolute wealth redistribution. I don't know who presented this idea to him, but there are communists and should be jettisoned from the jettisoned from his privy council. So why do I say it's welfare redistribution? Well, because it is. You guys know how much everybody pays in taxes. So this is just the latest available data from the IRS. The latest available collected data as of yesterday was from 2022. The top 1% pay $561,523 annually. The average for all taxpayers... Now hold up, because it gets real crazy here. The average for all taxpayers is $13,890. The bottom 50% of all taxpayers... The bottom 50% pay an average of $822. Now, why do I say this is wealth redistribution? Why are we talking about giving money to people who did not even pay that much into the system? You're taking other people's tax dollars that they earned and you're giving it to them. This literally is indistinguishable from anything Barack Obama has ever proposed. It's what it is. It's true. You either believe in big government or you don't. There is no gray area. We're not going to do a little in just like there's no a little pregnant. Right. Right. Or someone might be a little bit of a dude. No, you either have a weenus or you don't. You either are pregnant or you're not. There's no little bit of anything in this. It's black and white. 50% of Americans, on average, $822. So where's the other $4,000 coming from? Because it's not them. You're giving people's money away that they didn't earn. Can I share with you a story? I'm not caffeinated enough today. me share with the stories of one of my favorite stories ever and it has to do with Davy Crockett not Jasmine Crockett heaven forbid I don't want to give anybody not Jasmine Crockett and this there was a book that's written about him and it's a great book it's called the life of Colonel Davy Crockett and it came out like in a long time ago and I think they redid it again in the 70s Davy Crockett, in this, some say it's lore, some say it's a true story. Edward Ellis, the guy who wrote it, says it was a true story. In the House, and Davy Crockett was in the House of Representatives. One day in the House of Representatives, they had a bill that was taken up. And it was a proposal to appropriate money for the benefit of a widow of a distinguished naval officer, right? All these people were coming up and they were making these grandiose speeches. And the Speaker of the House was getting ready to put the question when Davy Crockett arose. and said that he has as much as respected as he has for the memory of the deceased and as much sympathy for the sufferings of the living. If the suffering there be, he says, we must not permit our respect for the dead or our sympathy for a part of the living to lead us into an act of injustice to the balance of the living. He says, I will not go into an argument to prove that Congress has no power to appropriate this money as an act of charity. Every member up on this floor knows it. He says we have the right as individuals to give away as much of our own money as we please in charity. But members of Congress have no right to appropriate a dollar of public money. Some eloquent appeals have been made to us on the ground that a debt is owed to the deceased. And they said, Mr. Speaker, the deceased lived long after the close of the war. He was in office to the day of his death. And I've never heard that the government was in debt to him. And he says, every man in this house knows it's not a debt. We cannot, with the grossest corruption, appropriate this money as a payment of a debt. We have not the semblance of authority to appropriate it as charity, Mr. Speaker. Now we can give as much of our own money as we please. And he says, I'm the poorest man on this floor. I cannot vote for this bill, but I will give one week's pay to the object. And if every member of Congress will do the same, it will amount to more than the bill asks for. Davy Crockett took his seat. Nobody said a word. The bill was put to passage, and instead of passing unanimously as it was supposed to, and it would have without his speech, it only got a couple of votes and lost. Crockett was asked why he did this. And he said that he was thinking about the the election or he was thinking about the summer before the election. And he said that we they were on the Capitol with some members of Congress and they saw a fire over in Georgetown and they ran over there and were helping people. And then they appropriated all this money and they were sending it over there. And then while he was out. One day he says he was taking papers from Washington and going to the backwoods of his home. And he was on the way to his house when he passed a farmer in his field. And they had words. The farmer did not appreciate what David Crockett has done. David Crockett was telling him, he's like, can I get your vote for the next election? The farmer said, no, I can't vote for you. I can't vote for you because of what you did. And he was talking about the act of appropriating all this money in Congress and handing it out to people as really charity. And he said, he made the point that Crockett noted in his speech that if some of these people in the halls of Congress would deprive themselves of but one week, you would have more than enough to be able to cover charitable requests without taking it from the taxpayer. He says, because you see, it's not yours to give. And he really made him think. Davy Crockett apologized to him. And he said that I will never promise him I'm never going to vote for anything like that again. And he appreciated the farmer. He was he was humble. Davy Crockett was humble and he appreciated the farmer correcting him on this. And he said, if I can have your vote, you know, I won't make a liar out of you. And then some months later, this was the speech he gave on the floor of the House. That still is true here. It is not yours to give. It's a welfare scheme. People always cite Hungary. Well, Hungary, their birth rate fell. They did this exact same thing in Hungary where they paid people to have kids. The birth rate fluctuated and it went up a tenth of a point and then it fell from 1.55 to 1.38. While they were doing all of this, in every country this has ever been implemented, it has never solved the problem. If Republicans want to kill the Republican Party, they'll do this. No good person of good moral heart or character should ever support something like this because, as Davy Crockett said, it's not yours to give.
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Starting probably next month, in May, my time allocation to Doge will drop significantly. I'll have to continue doing it for, I think, probably the remainder of the president's term, just to make sure that the waste and fraud that we stopped does not come roaring back, which it will do if it has the chance. So I think I'll continue to spend know a day or two per week on um government matters for as long as the president would like me to do so um and as long as it is useful uh but starting next month um i'll be allocating um a lot of my time to tesla and uh now that the the major work of establishing the department of government efficiency is done
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That was the plan all along, I have to say. And we've talked about this before, but this soundbite, I was actually thinking about this when I was making the rundown for the program today. And whenever he talks about stepping back, and I think it's smart that he reminds people. And keeps it out there that this was the plan for Doge all along. That I was going to stay on to make sure that it was up and that it was running. And then that everything was going to be okay. And then I was always going to step back. And I think it's important for him to remind people of this. Because it... Well, as you can see, Tesla's stock started bouncing back up into the stratosphere. They started performing well. And it also... I think really robs the narrative of the left where they for so long have been trying to say that there's this wide chasm between POTUS and himself and that Basically, as a way to try to undermine everything that they've been doing with Doge, et cetera, et cetera, that, oh, well, Trump is going to fire and they don't get along. You remember all of the stories that they have shared, right, that the media has put out all of these all of these stories. Well. It's all designed. They wanted to put a wedge between them. And I think him going out there and talking to the press about that has kind of just sort of killed that in its crib. And I mean, obviously, they get along well. And this was always ever the plan. But the way that it the way that the left looks at it, they try to act like, oh, well, this is us. We scored this victory. Look, he's stepping down. And that's not even remotely accurate at all. Welcome to the show. Dana Lash with you. We're at the top of this first hour and many things to cover, including some of the latest with tariffs. Because now we've got a little bit of movement. We're going to hopefully have some updates about some of these other deals that have been made. And we're going to jump all into that. But to this point, I mean, this was always ever about finding waste, finding fraud and abuse. I mean, that job has a shelf life. That's not a job that's going to last for forever. It has a shelf life. And so we always knew it was going to be this way. And I mean, it's like I said, I think it's smart. Speaking of trade, audio soundbite one. This was POTUS talking about China. Listen to this.
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Mr. President, you said you're ultimately going to make a deal with China. But where do things stand right now? Have you talked?
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I think my relationship, my relationship with President Xi is great. It was it's been great for a long time. We've had a very good relationship and I think we'll make a deal with China. If we don't make a deal, we'll set it. We'll just set the number and, you know, think they'll want to be a part of the United States. We're doing great. We're going to this is the golden age. As Paul said, we're talking about the golden age. It will never be a time like this, in my opinion. And China wants to be a part of that, too.
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I think this is him giving them a bone. I think that he's just saying, look, we can make a deal with China. This is something that can happen. I think he's kind of throwing them a bone a little bit, don't you? That's what it seems like with us. Because right now it's a tariff off and China can't win it for the people who say that China can win or that the administration somehow is blinking. I don't think that they are because they haven't moved. If they were blinking, he would cancel the tariffs and he's not doing that. You do have to have, as I said, all of these other nations come to the table in order to be able to have a success to have success on this. Otherwise, I'm telling you, one of the other things that we're going to talk about coming up at the bottom of the hour is this plan. that he has where he, I think he's floating it. I, if you follow me on Twitter, I have a piece coming out about it later today on sub stack. If you follow me on Twitter, you've seen me discuss all of this, but the, the plan was to pay people to have kids. Did you see this cane? Oh, you said that very unenthusiastically. Yeah.
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Yeah, I'm not a fan of these kind of plans. We already have like these tax incentives.
SPEAKER 27 :
We have welfare.
SPEAKER 14 :
Yeah.
SPEAKER 27 :
Which I'm not saying, I'm not like, you know, talking in favor of welfare, but, you know, we have welfare.
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There should be a lot of nuance in this idea.
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Yeah. Well, so this plan that he came out with, and like I said, I mentioned it a little bit yesterday on... on X, that he wants to pay people, it's like $5,000 to have kids. And it's modeled after what Hungary did. And I want to point out, and like I said, I'm going to dive into this deeper coming up, but I want to preface it. This is the one thing that I have seen
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that from the administration that i i've never hated a policy more than i hate this policy i can't but it's a proposal they're brainstorming i can play a devil's advocate i mean think oh you can try think about this the left does not value life at all they don't value the unborn what does it have to do with wealth redistribution listen now that you've put a five thousand dollar price tag on such a thing it now has value on the left at least five thousand dollars
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Yeah, I don't think so. I look at it as it's a wealth redistribution scheme.
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That's what it seems like to me.
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I was just playing the... Well, we're going to talk more about it here coming up as soon as I can get this. By the way, we'll have headlines in that again with because everybody was like, OK, I could see your eye was small. It's yes. I scratched my eye. We're rolling with it. Bear with me. I have Fox later today, too, and I've never really worn glasses on Fox. That'll be interesting. But I appreciate all your kind words. Yes, it's I scratch still. It's the I scratch edition. So we're going to talk about that because I want to give it. There's like three huge points that I want to hit in that topic. And I feel like it needs a larger segment for us to do that. So that's what, you know, just FYI, just to make you all aware. But that's what we're going to be jumping into. All right. The next, the other thing, and I'm going through all my audio here. On the trade deal with China, coming to this, audio soundbite three. This is the press secretary just yesterday. Listen.
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I asked the president about this before coming out here, and he wanted me to share with all of you that we're doing very well in respect to a potential trade deal with China. As I mentioned, there have now been 18 proposals in more than 100 countries around the world who are wanting to make a deal with the United States of America, and the president and the administration are setting the stage for a deal with China. So we feel everyone involved wants to see a trade deal happen, and the ball is moving in the right direction.
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So that's it's good. We'll see how this we'll see how this pans out. We have to get these other deals made, though. It's incredibly important that we get all of this, that this that this happens. And I have some information we're going to be pulling up and dealing with a technical glitch here that we're going to be pulling up that gets into some of this, because they've they've there was an editorial that ran yesterday in The Wall Street Journal that was talking about the all of the seventy some odd nations that desperately have to at the end we're gonna have to have these trade deals uh... with these these nations coming in sitting down having these individualized trade deals that are more advantageous to the united states put us in a more advantageous position all well and good and all a threat to china's national security as well because china wants to dominate obviously they can't do that if we have great relations with all of these other nations It's just not how they would like to. Gold prices have surged over 40% since January 2024, consistently reaching new highs. According to Goldman Sachs research, the upward trend is expected to persist due to strong demand from central banks. It's stuff like this that's made me take action and why I've bought precious metals like gold and silver. I've partnered with a great company that makes it super easy to buy. Easy, transparent, and simple. And that company is Goldco. They're a huge supporter of this show, and they're the best at what they do. And right now, you can get a free 2025 gold and silver kit jam-packed with critical information about buying precious metals. It was a huge help, not just for me, but to all of you if you do this. And for my audience, you could also qualify for up to a 10% instant match in bonus silver. It's a really great deal, so don't miss out. Visit danalikesgold.com to learn more. That's danalikesgold.com.
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And now, all of the news you would probably miss. It's time for Dana's Quick Five.
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Oh boy, here come the economic headlines. But you knew this was going to happen. This was something that was going to happen. Nearly half of Americans, though, have given up on saving money. 67% feel that they are behind on their savings goals. Nearly half don't believe that they're ever going to reach their target. 63% of people with savings accounts have withdrawn money. since the beginning of 2025 for unexpected expenses. That's the top one. That's 48% everyday necessities. Younger generations are more satisfied with their banks, but yet they're more willing to switch, which is interesting. That is a very, your bank is like a very, that's a very personal thing. More and more people. There's a big old flash in war. Now this is true. You can still think that this is the best way to go with things in terms of securing long-term economic growth. stability that you can still think that that's the way to go but the reality right now longer hair nails at home fewer facials the economic warning signs are flashing at the salon salon owners say that they are seeing a huge shift in their clients spending and they think it's what is ahead for a wider economy uh i've heard this i have a friend who is a stylist and i have heard this uh that people They're also changing what they're buying. So instead of buying maybe the more expensive moisturizer, men are like, what? You mean you just don't, you know, wop off the water off your face and call it a day? No, I know. But instead of the expensive moisturizer and things like that, they're actually buying the cheaper stuff. And we're seeing it with hair. We're also seeing it with other services. I think women get their nails done for women. Because men don't care. Unless they're really long and they look ridiculous. I don't think that they care. Women get it for women. But they're also seeing that as well. They said that they're taking longer between their visits. Pre-bookings are down. This is something that's... I'm just saying. We knew it was coming, though. The FDA has suspended milk quality tests. Amid workforce cuts, but they're going to be mad over unpasteurized milk at health food stores that operate like a Sam's, really. Food and Drug Administration suspending a quality control program for testing of fluid milk and other dairy products, they say. That's the reduced capacity is because of, well, they said that they're running low on people. And it's in their food safety and nutrition division. It was an internal email that Reuters saw. And they said there was a termination of 20. I don't I don't think you need a million employees to do this. I'm sorry. You don't need like 30,000 employees at the Department of Health and Human Services to do all this. They're trying to say Trump is. Oh, my gosh. Can you believe it? Trump is going to kill us all with poisoned milk.
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Is this the same entity that gave us Red Dive 40?
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Yeah, it is the exact... You know what? It's so funny that you mentioned that.
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Yes. Just making sure.
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And all of the other fun colors. What? You know, if they're... That's... It's true. They also say cigarettes are safe. Yeah. Just FYI. So they said that... Oh, here's the kicker. Here's what Reuters says. By the way, guys, the suspension is another disruption to the nation's food safety programs. Meh. Because of Trump's effort to shrink the federal workforce. Meh, meh. Oh my gosh, yeah. Oh, so bad. You know what? I just think that if you still have thousands and thousands of employees and you can't do this stuff anyway, something's wrong with how you're structured. Gotta say it. The top producer in 60 Minutes quits saying that he lost independence. Is anybody at all surprised about any of this? No, no one's surprised. They said that they're facing a lot of pressure. and their corporate ownership at Paramount, the parent company of CBS. They've entered what they call a period of turmoil. Bill Owens, who is the executive producer of 60 Minutes, said that he's going to resign from this long-running program because he's lost his journalistic independence. Like, we never believed that you had it anyway. Stop. And he said that they face mounting pressure from both the president, who sued for $10 billion, And include and then also its own corporate ownership at Paramount. I think it has more to do with Paramount than it has to do with Trump. And they're just.
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But his independence cost him money. Let's be real.
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For real. No one believes that they're independent over there. Come on. It's 60 minutes. It's it's CBS. Nobody believes this. Oh, there's going to be a cosmic smiley face in the sky in Arizona. What if it's frowning? Is that bad luck? Is that bad? The crescent moon is going to align with Venus and Saturn to form an emoji-like grin. It's actually a sweet little smile. It was visible over Bangkok a couple of years ago. Now it's going to be visible over Arizona. They'll be able to see it on Friday morning. It's going to be like a lopsided moon and two stars. It's supposed to look like a smiley face. Don't think that it means God is pleased with you. He's watching you right now. He saw what you did. Still low. But they can you can go and it'll be in there. But I guess like only in certain parts, obviously, of the United States, you're going to be able to see it in Arizona and maybe New Mexico. Let's see. Oh, yes. And 60 Minutes is going for sale, too. This also, let's see, 31. So here's a poll. I saw this and I had a couple of people send this to me, a couple of people who were tariff angry. They're saying Americans are souring on the handling of the economy. And, uh, 37% approved. Now, hold up, hold up. They were talking about specifically, uh, long, the way that they, the way that they posed the question to these respondents was about the golden age of America, including tariffs or not. And the, having that be a long, like an established, and the people did not approve of that, but they're twisting it. Of course, we have a lot more on the way. Stick with us. It's our friends over at all family pharmacy. This is a great, uh, entity it's a great website any of your all your medications are covered over at all family pharmacy everything you want they got the ivermectin they got the hydroxychloroquine they got all of it all the stuff that remember when the system was trying to keep it from you therapeutics when they actually i took ivermectin and i'm telling you it helped me when i had covid i didn't get a vaccine i got the natural thing And it really helped me. And of course, the system was trying to shut everybody's access down to that. And it makes you wonder, well, what else are they trying to prevent you from getting to? That's a whole other topic. Anyway, you don't have to play by the system's rules. All family pharmacy doesn't either. It's simple, fast and affordable. They can get you your stuff right to your front door in two to four days overnight in a pinch if you need it. They have maintenance medications, no fast shipping, no hassle, no gatekeepers. And everything is made in the USA. You don't have to worry about where your stuff is manufactured. You don't have to worry about quality and safety. because it comes from the United States. Visit allfamilypharmacy.com slash Dana and get 10% off using promo code Dana10. Be prepared. Protect yourself and your family today. Allfamilypharmacy.com slash Dana. Coupon code Dana10 to save 10%.
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Well, yeah, that's fair. I mean, you can have the left say whatever you want, but it's insane to have taxpayers pay for these things that we didn't sign up for. I mean, I don't know if the left has realized that everybody's broke. You know, we went through hell with Joe Biden. Everybody's still trying to get over it. I mean, for the love it's. I mean, I can't think of anything more tone deaf than these people expecting everybody else to pay for their college education. Welcome back to the program. Dana Lash with you. We're at the bottom of this second hour. And all of this is so, oh gosh, it's so frustrating. I paid everybody that I know. I had scholarships and then we paid what was left. I can't imagine because when we looked at the data, it was like people that are going into grad school and people that they try to act like they're picking up street urchins and sending them to college and that's not what's happening. It's so disingenuous. I don't make people pay for my car or my house. I don't make people pay for anything that I agree to pay or anything that I purchase. So why is this any different? It's educational aristocracy. There's no other way to put it. So one of the other things that came out yesterday, and I'm glad that the administration really shut this down. It was a hard no. This welfare scheme, because it is free education is kind of a form. I think it's a form of welfare, right? Yeah, it's a form of welfare. And I'm glad that they shut it down. I now I need them to shut other some of these other proposals down. I'm pulling up my tweet that I had yesterday because I saw this come out yesterday and I thought, oh. Hmm. This doesn't seem like this is maybe the best the best way to go about this. So POTUS, let me pull this up. POTUS had tweeted, well, not tweeted. He was mulling over, and I've heard this before with people in a circle. Now, like I said, I think that the deregulation is good. I shouldn't have to sit around here and lay out all the things that I like so I can say one thing that I disagree with. I mean, we're all adults here, right? We can all handle it. So this is speculation, and it might just be The team brainstorming and then, you know, kind of testing the waters a little bit by suggesting that they're going to have this. New York Post says Trump moles $5,000 baby bonus for moms in bid to reverse declining birth rates. Well, we have that. We have that right now. It's called welfare. We you don't need to give people money. to spur breeding. If you reduce the tax burden, if you reduce government spending, if you deregulate, you're going to see this happen organically to where you're not going to have to give people $5,000. Now they were saying this $5,000 selection or this, this choice for this, they were saying that this is, you know, it's, it's $5,000 for people considering starting, you know, people are going to start a family and it's to help, I guess, with like first year, you know, whatever. And some of the responses that I saw to this were, oh, that's great. I guess you just don't want to end childhood poverty by giving somebody $5,000. And I'm like, what? Where do you come from that you think $5,000 is going to end childhood poverty? It's $5,000. It might seem like over the span of... It's not as much as what this will cost. Let's put it like that. Now... Again, they're just I get it that they're just kind of like brainstorming, but I don't want this to take root because it is. It's welfare. We have welfare. We we've we've had welfare for years. Kane, how well is welfare worked out?
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Yeah, it seems like it's gotten bigger, which is a problem. Because there is no point in time until we actually do the policies that he's talking about, which is allowing these businesses to compete, lowering prices, more jobs. People are less reliant. Until that happens, we're not going to see a decrease in those sucking from the teat of government as opposed to contributing to the teat, I guess. Yeah.
SPEAKER 27 :
contributing to the teat look we created an extra teat look at that it's great why do the people think that five thousand dollars oh my gosh it's ending childhood poverty what five thousand dollars to have a baby i'm set for life five thousand dollars i never have to work again i got five thousand whole dollars what let's go to the casino five thousand seriously It's wealth redistribution. Here's where I'm going to get real mean. This is absolute wealth redistribution. I don't know who presented this idea to him, but there are communists and should be jettisoned from the jettisoned from his privy council. So why do I say it's welfare redistribution? Well, because it is. You guys know how much everybody pays in taxes? So this is just the latest available data from the IRS. The latest available collected data as of yesterday was from 2022. The top 1% pay $561,523 annually. The average for all taxpayers, now hold up because it gets real crazy here. The average for all taxpayers is $13,890 annually. The bottom 50% of all taxpayers, the bottom 50% pay an average of $822. Now, why do I say this is wealth redistribution? Why are we talking about giving money to people who did not even pay that much into the system? You're taking other people's tax dollars that they earned and you're giving it to them. This literally is indistinguishable from anything Barack Obama has ever proposed. It's what it is. It's true. You either believe in big government or you don't. There is no gray area. We're not going to do a little in. Just like there's no a little pregnant. Right? Or someone might be a little bit of a dude. No, you either have a weenus or you don't. You either are pregnant or you're not. There's no little bit of anything in this. It's black and white. 50% of Americans, on average, $822. So where's the other $4,000 coming from? Because it's not them. You're giving people's money away that they didn't earn. Can I share with you a story? I'm not caffeinated enough today. Let me share with the stories of one of my favorite stories ever. And it has to do with Davy Crockett, not Jasmine Crockett, heaven forbid. I don't want to give anybody not Jasmine Crockett. And this there was a book that's written about him and it's a great book. It's called The Life of Colonel Davy Crockett. And it came out like in a long time ago. And I think they redid it again in the 70s. Davy Crockett, in this, some say it's lore, some say it's a true story. Edward Ellis, the guy who wrote it, says it was a true story. In the House, and Davy Crockett was in the House of Representatives. One day in the House of Representatives, they had a bill that was taken up. And it was a proposal to appropriate money for the benefit of a widow of a distinguished naval officer. Right. All these people were coming up and they were making these grandiose speeches. And the Speaker of the House was getting ready to put the question when Davy Crockett arose. and said that he has as much as respected as he has for the memory of the deceased and as much sympathy for the sufferings of the living. If the suffering there be, he says, we must not permit our respect for the dead or our sympathy for a part of the living to lead us into an act of injustice to the balance of the living. He says, I will not go into an argument to prove that Congress has no power to appropriate this money as an act of charity. Every member up on this floor knows it. He says we have the right as individuals to give away as much of our own money as we please in charity. But members of Congress have no right to appropriate a dollar of public money. Some eloquent appeals have been made to us on the ground that a debt is owed to the deceased. And they said, Mr. Speaker, the deceased lived long after the close of the war. He was in office to the day of his death. And I've never heard that the government was in debt to him. And he says, every man in this house knows it's not a debt. We cannot, with the grossest corruption, appropriate this money as a payment of a debt. We have not the semblance of authority to appropriate it as charity, Mr. Speaker. Now we can give as much of our own money as we please. And he says, I am the poorest man on this floor. I cannot vote for this bill, but I will give one week's pay to the object. And if every member of Congress will do the same, it will amount to more than the bill asks for. Davy Crockett took his seat. Nobody said a word. The bill was put to passage, and instead of passing unanimously as it was supposed to, and it would have without his speech, it only got a couple of votes and lost. Crockett was asked why he did this. And he said that he was thinking about the the election or he was thinking about the summer before the election. And he said that we they were on the Capitol with some members of Congress and they saw a fire over in Georgetown and they ran over there and were helping people. And then they appropriated all this money and they were sending it over there. And then while he was out. One day he says he was taking papers from Washington and going to the backwoods of his home. And he was on the way to his house when he passed a farmer in his field. And they had words. The farmer did not appreciate what David Crockett has done. David Crockett was telling him, he's like, can I get your vote for the next election? The farmer said, no, I can't vote for you. I can't vote for you because of what you did. And he was talking about the act of appropriating all this money in Congress and handing it out to people as, you know, really charity. And he said he made the point that Crockett noted in his speech that if some of these people in the halls of Congress would deprive themselves of but one week, you would have more than enough to be able to cover charitable requests without taking it from the taxpayer. He says, because you see, it's not yours to give. And he really made him think. Davy Crockett apologized to him. And he said that I will never promise him I'm never going to vote for anything like that again. And he appreciated the farmer. He was he was humble. Davy Crockett was humble and he appreciated the farmer correcting him on this. And he said, if I can have your vote, you know, I won't make a liar out of you. And then some months later, this was the speech he gave on the floor of the House. That still is true here. It is not yours to give. It's a welfare scheme. People always cite Hungary. Well, Hungary, their birth rate fell. They did this exact same thing in Hungary where they paid people to have kids. The birth rate fluctuated and it went up a tenth of a point and then it fell from 1.55 to 1.38. While they were doing all of this in every country, this has ever been implemented. It has never solved the problem. If Republicans want to kill the Republican Party. They'll do this. No good person of good moral heart or character should ever support something like this, because, as Davy Crockett said, it's not yours to give. We've got a lot more on the way as we roll into days of these United States and, of course, our partners that help make the show possible. I've said for years now that our media is just garbage. Legacy Press is garbage. How does the average person know if a news story, if the source is accurate or if it's biased? Ground News can be a great solution for that. 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SPEAKER 26 :
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SPEAKER 11 :
Like sands through the hourglass, so are the days of the United States.
SPEAKER 28 :
We don't articulate as black women our pain because it's almost like nobody ever gave us permission to do that. And does anyone care? Yeah, there's that part.
SPEAKER 09 :
If we knew, I think we would care. If we knew. If we knew.
SPEAKER 28 :
Or, you know, yeah. And we have to ask ourselves, the men in our lives is... why wait to be asked? It seems like what we go through is pretty obvious. I mean, maybe we're not complaining, but we're actually living life out loud.
SPEAKER 27 :
Nothing annoys me more than loud outspoken women talking about how much they're not heard. That's like me going, no one hears me. Oh my gosh. I'm so oppressed. I'm so oppressed, Cain. No one hears me. I've never been given permission
SPEAKER 14 :
I don't think I've ever known you to hold back feelings ever.
SPEAKER 27 :
Oh, I'm going to be... Okay, sidebar from this. So, my goal in life... Now, bear with me. It's going to sound weird, but I'm going to bring the tugboat around. It's to be an old woman. Now, here's why. Old women have a full pass for everything. They do. I'm just going to be weird and wild. Like, we're... and you can't say anything because I'll be old, right? It's like, think about it. Whenever Nana does something crazy, you go, oh, it's Nana. See?
SPEAKER 14 :
Like Granny from the Hillbillies?
SPEAKER 27 :
You get a Nana pass.
SPEAKER 14 :
The Beverly Hillbillies?
SPEAKER 27 :
Yes. Granny pass, Nana pass, Gigi pass, Nana pass, however. You get a pass. So this... Nobody corrects. Everybody goes along with it. Like, oh, that's right, Nana. Even if you think it's crazy, you go along with it. So I really don't want to hear nobody talk about this, right? I just feel like women are given such a wide berth. But I have never ever in my life felt... I've never seen an outspoken woman, a truly confident outspoken woman ever be like, I never ask permission. I don't wait. I don't ask permission. I just do it. I mean, I literally will do it. I'll just do it. And then I'll and then I'll I don't ask for permission. I'll just say, hey, is that OK? Later. This is kind of how that works. But this is so stupid. People, women, she was the first lady of the United States. What are you talking about? I just never asked permission. Nobody ever told me I could. I kind of feel like at the end of the day, she's the one who makes all the final decisions in that household. Just saying.
SPEAKER 14 :
Well, she sounds like she gives up all her power.
SPEAKER 27 :
By the way, her brother, that was her brother sitting next to her. Oh my gosh. They're clones. I have never seen siblings favor each other as much as those two do. It's the Spider-Man meme. I did a double take. That was wild. We have a lot more on the way coming up next second hour. Stick with us. Homeowners, when was the last time you checked on your home's title? That's the legal proof that you own your house. The problem in today's AI and cyber world, everybody's stealing home titles. Your equity is the target. People are forging your signature. They can use a fake notary stamp. You pay a small fee with your county and then or they do. And then, boom, the title's been transferred over. You can get a free title history report and a 14 day trial of million dollar triple lock protection using promo code Dana at home title lock dot com. Just one forged signature is all it takes. You won't even know what happened. And that's, you know, unfortunately, it's been the real damage. Start your left to deal with all of the aftermath. Most homeowners do not find out until it is way too late. So in this AI and cyber driven world, it's happening more. I mean, you lock your doors, you lock your car. Why would you not lock your title? Use promo code Dana at home title lock dot com and make sure that your title is still in your name. And you also get a free title history report, plus a free 14 day trial of their million dollar triple lock protection. Twenty four seven monitoring of your title. Urgent alerts. to any changes, and if fraud should happen, they'll spend up to a million dollars to fix it. Visit HomeTitleLock.com now and use promo code Dana.
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SPEAKER 22 :
We are also requesting food companies to remove red dye number three sooner than the 2027-2028 deadline previously announced. These steps that we are taking means that the FDA is effectively removing all petroleum based food dyes from the U.S. food supply.
SPEAKER 27 :
And Democrats are going to start chugging them. Democrats are going to be like, I love red dye. Love all the dyes because Trump doesn't like it. We have to love it. That's literally what they do. Welcome back to the program. Top of the second hour. It's Eye Scratch Part 2. So, just to let you guys know, because everybody always asks comments, like, why do you have to wear your glasses? I'm wearing them because I have sloth eye. Cain's drinking. He's taking a drink. He's like, I've heard this so many times. I scratched my eye because I'm a spaz. I don't know what happened. I'm... So anyway, that's what happened. So I'm going to wear the glasses because I'm in trouble scene. And I did go to the eye doctor. I had 11 million emails. People were outrageous. People were mad at Cain because they were like, why isn't Cain letting you go to the doctor? And I'm like, what? Cain?
SPEAKER 14 :
What the hell is that about?
SPEAKER 27 :
So I'm like, no, no, no. I'm like, I'm good. I'm good. I'm good. I'm all cool. I'm all cool. Don't blame Cain. It's not his fault. I'm a spaz and I probably like scratched myself in the face. I don't know. Anyway. So all good. But I'm just letting you guys know because I've gotten fielded some comments. I'm totally fine. I didn't drink any red dye. But you know what? It's true though, right? Trump could cure AIDS and they would be like, oh my gosh, Trump is evil. They would be on the side of AIDS. He could cure cancer and they're like, oh, they'd be on the side of cancer. Like that's... The rage is real.
SPEAKER 14 :
Cancer murderer.
SPEAKER 27 :
I know, right? Can you believe Trump killed cancer? That cancer is so sad. I mean, he could do all of these things. I don't, you know, I don't think I... I was trying to think, do I eat food that has dye in it? I eat pretty whole. But... Kane, you did mention that Hawaiian punch. If I see a Hawaiian punch, I will get the Hawaiian punch.
SPEAKER 14 :
And I haven't looked at ingredients. I haven't had Hawaiian punch in a long time or Gatorade or anything like that in a while. But if you look on the ingredients list, I bet you that's what it is.
SPEAKER 27 :
You know what Gatorade tastes like? Gatorade tastes like it was thrown through Hawaiian punch and then put in a can or put in the bottle. It's weird. It's like you expect a lot of flavor and you're like, hmm.
SPEAKER 14 :
The original Gatorade, if anybody remembered back, the first time I ever had it was in the early 80s or maybe even late 70s.
SPEAKER 27 :
Was it around in the 80s?
SPEAKER 14 :
Oh, yeah. And it was like a powder that you would mix. And sometimes you can mix it stronger kind of than what you should. But in reality, it's just an electrolyte drink. And it's not supposed to have a ton of flavor or color or anything like that. It's just supposed to be an electrolyte drink.
SPEAKER 27 :
The an electrolyte drink. I wish that you guys also I'm going to move on to stuff. Well, but I wish you guys could see where Kane sits. So as you guys know, Kane, producer for the program, he says we face each other. You guys, you guys can't see him. He sits at his little work desk and in the shadows. But he's got one, two, three, four, five, six, six or five medicinal bottles. Oh my gosh, Juan is taking a picture of it. I just happened to look down here, but he had the labels turned to me like a stalker. He's got his probiotics. Do you have two bottles of probiotics sitting over there?
SPEAKER 14 :
No, just one.
SPEAKER 27 :
Those bottles look the same.
SPEAKER 14 :
The others are minerals, different minerals, like magnesium.
SPEAKER 27 :
Guys, one of the bottles is like yay high. It's like five hands high. What is happening over here? Why do you have the probiotic one facing me?
SPEAKER 14 :
Just because I was encouraging.
SPEAKER 27 :
Is this like subliminal messaging or something?
SPEAKER 14 :
This is the empty one, right? So I just set it here so you can see it. So there were two. Every day.
SPEAKER 27 :
I swear you're paid by them.
SPEAKER 14 :
I think it's a benefit. It's better to get your probiotics from actual fermented food, but there's supplements.
SPEAKER 27 :
Kane is getting ready to show everybody, or sorry, Juan's getting ready to show everybody what I see. Because this is what, he's got like a little medicine cabinet over here of minerals. This is literally what is happening. You guys can see on the simulcast. That's actually what, that's on the edge of his desk.
SPEAKER 14 :
These are supplements. This isn't medicine.
SPEAKER 27 :
No, but they're in like little medicinal bottles.
SPEAKER 14 :
Yeah, so it's just supplements.
SPEAKER 27 :
Okay.
SPEAKER 14 :
Just stuff that we don't get.
SPEAKER 27 :
I see the probiotics there, and then the thing with the orange cap is what?
SPEAKER 14 :
That's just a fiber supplement.
SPEAKER 27 :
Do you have to have a giant fiber bottle? I'm just curious. So you're very in tune with the dye stuff?
SPEAKER 14 :
Yeah.
SPEAKER 27 :
Okay.
SPEAKER 14 :
Yeah, there's no dyes in any of the stuff here.
SPEAKER 27 :
I don't think I eat anything with the dyes in it, except maybe every now and then I'll have maybe a Gatorade, but I don't really enjoy it.
SPEAKER 14 :
Yeah, I wonder, like, some pills have the coating on them and stuff, and they're red or different colors. Oh, I didn't even think about that. You know what I mean? There might be some coloring on those.
SPEAKER 27 :
I just... I mean, I like that they're... I don't have any... I actually don't have any objections to this stuff, because I don't. I will say, when we went to... The first time we went to Italy, and, yeah, it was like your dream vacation. I've always wanted to go. And I... I got real fit. Your girl did a little extra before we went because I knew I was going to eat my weight in pasta. I was like, I'm going to eat like a fat kid in a DQ. I'm going to go nuts. And I did. Dude, I ate pasta like afternoon. If I could get pasta in the morning, I would. Because over there, they know how to do breakfast proper. They're like, oh, just because I don't really like breakfast. I just do a quick thing. I like to... Like when I work out, I like to work out on an empty stomach. I don't like to have... It makes me sick. So breakfast has never been a big thing for me. But over there, oh my gosh. They got like the bambaloni. They got the custard filled donut. And then you have your... It's just so good. I ate all of that and I had gelato repeatedly. And I literally lost 11 pounds when I was in Italy. Because I walked over 10 miles a day though. That's the thing. You walk over and you don't even realize it. But also... i just noticed that i i mentioned this yesterday and a lot of you responded to this because you agreed with me i said i'm not gluten sensitive i'm chemical sensitive and i had one of my doctors saying one of the reasons i have such sinus problems and inflammation is because they suspect that i am gluten sensitive i'm like i'm not going to stop eating gluten i love gluten gluten is amazing if i could eat it just the gluten i would And, but I noticed when I was over there, I had none of those issues. None of the issues that I have here when we eat our food. So I changed how I do our food. I'm not going to grow my own wheat and grind it, but I will only use like Italian flour and all that other stuff. And I don't, I doesn't have any, I don't care. I will. because I do bake a lot and I just don't want any of that stuff in there. I can eat the stuff that I make and be fine. If I eat it, if it's like at the store, it's totally different. So I think it's a lot of... There's a lot of sensitivity. Now, going into this, with the dyes, how much could we actually save in terms of time and cost with being preventative? Now, think about it. I... like so when i was in italy i do the uh the super beets they make a thing that the turmeric chews which i think are absolutely amazing and they do so much to help i almost said inflation i wish they do so much to help with inflammation they're a partner of ours but no they don't really talk about the turmeric chews but i think they're one of the best products that they have i mean if you have inflammation literally that's your jam i go through bags of this stuff when i was in italy And I think this is because they have regulations about their food and the additives and all that. You can't put all that stuff in there. I did not have to take hardly any of those when I was over there. So then I started thinking, you know what? This is not like a gluten sensitivity. This is a chemical sensitivity. And that's – I mean that's – I mean, amazing. That's an amazing realization. So think about all the time that I've spent going to the doctor, sinusitis, the medicines I've been on, which are not good for you. When you could be preventative by removing some of the stuff from your food supply. Think of what that does to American health. Now think bigger about it. American health, national security. It touches so many things. So long story short, that's why I'm fine with us. But it really is shocking. I looked at the list of all the stuff red dye is in. Stuff that I don't even think of. If I'm thinking red dye, I'm thinking of red foods, right? All red foods, but not necessarily. It can be in a number of other things as well. It can be in sherberts. There was, I saw on the list, it was like a peach sherbet thing. And I'm like, peach? That's like orange. It's not even, or like a yellowy orange. I'm like, red dye is in this? It's in everything. It is in every, condiments. So I make a lot of my own, well, except for ketchup and mustard because I get the Whataburger stuff at the store. I totally do. I'm not going to lie. But I make my own dressings. So it's in some protein powders. That was another big thing because I'm big on the protein powders and the collagen protein and all of that. Holy cow. So there's so much stuff that it's in. What are the cherries that everybody likes?
SPEAKER 01 :
The maraschino cherries.
SPEAKER 27 :
Yeah, the maraschino cherries. Oh, my gosh. But here's the big thing that really hurt my heart the most. Guys, it's in the best candy that the Lord has ever put up on this earth. Candy corn.
SPEAKER 11 :
Oh, yeah.
SPEAKER 27 :
Half of you had a stroke because I said that. That's okay. Candy corn is, you don't have to love candy corn as the candy that the Lord chose for us. It's okay.
SPEAKER 14 :
It's the best candy.
SPEAKER 27 :
But it's in, I can't have candy corn now.
SPEAKER 14 :
Remember when the ice cream man used to drive around the neighborhood? Not in the bomb pops?
SPEAKER 27 :
Bomb pops were the bomb. It's in that. It's in bomb pops. It's in all of those things. So I just assume if it's processed and it could be kind of red, then, okay, I'm not going to eat it. I don't need it that bad. I don't need it. So just think about how much money that saves preventative-wise. If you could change your diet and have all of the chemicals taken out of your food and all these additives, I honestly think our overall American health would be so much better I think our healthcare system wouldn't be beleaguered. I think people would be healthier. They would live longer. They would have more energy, all of it. I mean, I just, when you go to countries where they have, and I'm, and I'm not saying this is where I run a foul of, you know, I don't like the government telling me what I can eat and what I can do. And I don't like that. However, when it's so prevalent that you literally cannot purchase unless you grow your own wheat and grind it and you know, okay, Martha, let's go to the yard and go harvest some stuff. I gotta go make some cake. It becomes a problem that needs to be addressed, especially when it becomes a negative on your entire country society. And it runs up your health care bill. It contributes to your morbidity rate. Those are all things you have to consider because overall, I think it impacts national security. I think it even goes that far.
SPEAKER 14 :
An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure. That's a saying for a reason.
SPEAKER 27 :
I am sad about the candy corn, though, I'm not going to lie. But now I'm like, I get, I'm one of those people, you tell me that something nasty is in something, all of a sudden, I don't want it ever again. Never again, I don't ever want it.
SPEAKER 14 :
It will look different, so maybe psychologically. Oh, it does.
SPEAKER 27 :
It looks like little poison bullets now, candy corn. I'm like, oh! gosh the red dye oh now I gotta go through I haven't I don't know if you guys have done this but I went through my my little pantry and I took out like everything after my doctor was like oh you might be gluten sensitive I'm like no I'm I will argue with the medical professional. No, I'm not. I'm chemical sensitive. Chemical sensitive. Went through everything with my little phone. And I'm like in there reading, going through, you know, type A, going through absolutely everything and throwing everything away. Man, it's a lot. It's in a lot of stuff. We have more on the way. That was my long-winded thing about why I'm actually okay with the dyes being removed from the foods and all that stuff. We have a lot more on the way, including coming up. Yoo-hoo, boy. I almost hesitate to get into this topic because people are going to be enraged as I am now. Texas House Republicans yesterday, we talked to Greg Abbott while he was telling us that they were going to use a $2 billion surplus to pay down property tax. The Texas House, they decided that they were going to give it away to crony corporatism. And then today they voted to raise property taxes by $3 billion. Wait until you hear about this. I know you're going to need a chair. Take a chair. Gold prices have surged over 40 percent since January 2024, consistently reaching new highs. According to Goldman Sachs research, the upward trend is expected to persist due to strong demand from central banks. It's stuff like this that's made me take action and why I've bought precious metals like gold and silver. I've partnered with a great company that makes it super easy to buy. Easy, transparent, and simple. And that company is Goldco. They're a huge supporter of this show, and they're the best at what they do. And right now, you can get a free 2025 gold and silver kit jam-packed with critical information about buying precious metals. It was a huge help, not just for me, but to all of you if you do this. And for my audience, you could also qualify for up to a 10% instant match in bonus silver. It's a really great deal, so don't miss out. Visit danalikesgold.com to learn more. That's danalikesgold.com.
SPEAKER 26 :
This is Chelsea Handler from Dear Chelsea. Picture this. You're on an important virtual interview answering that make or break question, and suddenly your screen freezes. Not the impression you want. Good internet has never been more important. I'm constantly doing podcast interviews, video calls, and important work on my computer, so I have... to have a solid connection. That's why you can't take slow for an answer. And with Optimum Fiber, you won't have to. It is the fastest, most reliable fiber internet in the New York tri-state with 99.9% network reliability so you can stream, work, and game seamlessly. Plus, get a five-year price lock and a $400 prepaid card. Don't take slow for an answer. Call 888-4-OPTIMUM. Visit your local Optimum store or visit Optimum.com today. Terms apply. See Optimum.com for details.
SPEAKER 14 :
And now, all of the news you would probably miss. It's time for Dana's Quick Five.
SPEAKER 27 :
So, let's see here. We have a new Army fitness test. No more... Well, there's higher standards for combat arms, and ball yeet is standing power throw. So they're having sweeping changes, according to an internal memo, and it includes rebranding of this certain test, the elimination of some of their... reduced the reductions that they had for standards and for soldiers in combat roles. So now it's not going to be the Army Combat Fitness Test. It's just going to be the Army Fitness Test. And they said they're going to have the... Everybody's super happy. They're taking out the standing power throw where you have to hurl a 10-pound medicine ball backwards over their heads. And it's kind of ridiculed by service members. I don't know why.
SPEAKER 14 :
Because it's more about technique than it is strength.
SPEAKER 27 :
Yeah, exactly. I don't know why you would even have that. That's kind of goofy. But they said that all soldiers, Army Reserve, National Guard, they're going to take the new AFT beginning in June. And the remaining events of the assessments will be retained. So that's all very good news. UAE cabinet approves the first of its kind AI regulatory ecosystem. They're using AI to write law. I don't know. I mean, this is I'm sorry, this is stupid. We need to be focusing right now on making tax cuts permanent in these trade deals. I like Ron Johnson, but we're spending Republican hearings, Senate hearings on 9-11 conspiracy theories. Come on, come on. The, let's see, a Renaissance Festival fire. I mean, they're really trying to be very authentic with this. So authentic that they burned six buildings to the ground in a Renaissance fire. This was in Minnesota. The Shakopee Fire Department. They had several buildings that burned to the ground at the Minnesota Renaissance. Renaissance Festival fire. Let's not be too accurate with that. We have a lot more on the way. Stick with us. I've seen the amazing changes Relief Factor has made for so many people, and I've seen it firsthand through my husband Chris's pain relief from using Relief Factor. Right now, it's easy to give their product a try because Relief Factor makes it painless. Thank you. It helps reduce or even eliminate it. It's safe to take daily. And in fact, the longer you take Relief Factor, the more effective. Whether it's neck, back, joint, or muscle pain, Relief Factor can help. Over 1 million people have turned to Relief Factor. Give Relief Factor a try. With their pain-free trial, you can get a three-week quick start for only $19.95, less than a dollar a day. Call 1-800-4-RELIEF. That's 1-800-4-RELIEF. With their pain-free trial, you can get a three-week quick start for only $19.95. Call 1-800-4-RELIEF or visit relieffactor.com.
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More than 8,700 service members were involuntarily separated for not taking an experimental COVID-19 vaccine. Others were more informally pushed out or decided to get out. We are welcoming actively back those warriors of conscience. We've sent letters out. We're seeking them out. We want them back. They never should have been forced to come back quickly. Personnel and Readiness Department is working in real time to make that process more and more efficient, more and more direct every single day.
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Good. They should be. And they should get back pay, back everything. Absolutely. Because that was insane what they did. Absolutely insane. What blows my mind, and I brought this up, I mentioned this before, we sat down with... army general and futures command. And they were talking about recruitment. Now it's SEC, SEC, deaf Hegseth, by the way, just then speaking about welcoming back those soldiers that were shoved out because of the Rona jab requirements. But I remember saying something to the effect of, well, maybe, you know, we wouldn't have such a problem with recruitment if people, you know, didn't hadn't seen military members being forced out because they wouldn't get an experimental injection. That wasn't even a therapeutic or, much less a vaccine. And that was just allowed to happen. It's asinine. So yeah, they're owed a lot. Welcome back to the program. Dana Lash with you at the bottom of this second hour. Already, it's weird. I almost said first. I am happy to see that, but now we've got to get other things situated. This fallout over these Pentagon leaks, it enrages me. As I said yesterday, these people are in these positions. They serve the—you serve the office. You serve the position. You serve the land. You don't serve a politician. You do your duty, and your duty is not to divide and create fodder that can— destabilize national security and contribute to a reduction in people who seek to serve. And he's got it cut out for him. I hear from people all the time that they think that these changes can be made instantaneously. And that just because Trump is in the White House and Hegseth is now where he is, that everything in the DOD and Pentagon is going to change. It's not. It's a fight because you have to remember how long these people have been generationally entrenched. It would be great if you could just do it with one appointment or one election cycle. But that's unfortunately not how it operates. It's not how it works. It takes a long time to get these people out. Because they're entrenched. They got these positions because they were appointed. They weren't elected. And they stay there. And then they make themselves indispensable because they know how everything works. And they count on you to let them know how everything works so they can get everything done. By the way, that's one of the big reasons I... oppose term limits i think term limits are unconstitutional i agree with the founders and the federalist papers on this particularly hamilton even adams they wrote that uh one of the things you have to be aware of is if you have constantly changing, well, you're removing the vote from the person. Voters are the term limit. Your vote is the term limit. Because people, the people that I have seen who argue the most for term limits are people who've never canvassed for a politician in their lives. Phone banked, gone door to door, nothing, nothing. They don't, can I be honest? These people don't do anything at all whatsoever to get votes. And as a result, they just want to farm out to the government for term limits. They want to farm out their duty to the government for term limits. Nothing good ever happens when you decide to jettison individual civic responsibility and give it to the government. You never get it back. But to that point, the – The bureaucratic class is empowered when you have term limits like that. You have those people that get entrenched, the lobbyists, and we have a problem with lobbyists writing our laws now. What do you think it's going to be like when those people are always there and you just have a revolving door of people every few years that come in because of term limits? Some lawmakers, I want to stay there. Like Thomas Massey, I want him to stay there for as long as he wants to stay there. Yeah. Right. I think he's a great a great example. Rand Paul. I want Rand Paul to stay there as long as Rand Paul wants to stay there. Some others, you know, people vote for Nancy Pelosi. You know, they they I think her district is so left, they're insane. She's the needles and feces district. That's literally her district. Of course they vote for her. Because the super rich people that live out there, they're not bothered by all the stuff that bothers everyday people. They're not bothered by any of that stuff. So... But I agree with what the founders had said in terms of empowering this bureaucratic class. It is a danger. And this is one of the things that you have to worry about within the DOD. And he's got a fight on his hands. It appalls me that people... run to the press instead of taking care of things behind doors it's first off it's it's not new testament uh it's chaotic and it's designed to inflict pain and inadvertently inflicts pain the greatest amongst on the voters really so big news dick durbin not going to seek re-election next year audio somebody 28 i this shocked me listen
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The decision of whether to run for reelection has not been easy. I truly love the job of being United States Senator, but in my heart, I know it's time to pass the torch. So I'm announcing today that I will not be seeking reelection at the end of my term. The people of Illinois have honored me with this responsibility longer than anyone elected to the Senate in our state's history. I'm truly grateful.
SPEAKER 27 :
Hmm. He's been there. He's been there forever. He's been in that seat forever. He's number two in the Senate out of Illinois. And he is there is going to be a battle to replace him. But he's he's been there for. Oh, my gosh. I don't even know how long he's been there for forever. He's 80 years old. I actually think that he seems a little younger than 80. But I'm not trying to be nice to him. But man alive. A lot of people thought he was going to step aside. I just was shocked because these people, when they get, he's got a lot of seniority, a lot of these committees. They don't like to give that power up. They don't like to give all that up. 80 years old. He's been there since I was in high school. Dick Durbin has been in his seat since I was in high school. He first got into the chamber in 1996. Oh, my gosh. That's crazy. And he's been the whip since 2005. And he had a lot of influence with because of that position. It gave him a lot of influence at the time under Harry Reid, who you knew who ran the Senate. He was the he was the leader before Schumer. And so he's going to be the fourth Democrat now. So that's going to open up a number of things, not just that seat, but it also opens up a seat on the Senate Judiciary Committee. He was the chairman of that in the last Congress. He led the proceedings for Kentonji Brown-Jackson. He's on a number of different committees. But here's the thing. This is going to be crazy. So they have... So some of the people, not just to take his seat, but also to take his position, because you have people, I think Amy Klobuchar, somebody that they've been promoting to take over some of these positions, Patty Murray, and be number two in the Senate. Brian Schatz, that's another one. But man, the fight to replace him. There's like, they say that in the race, the primary is going to be dirty. Well, of course, it's Illinois Democrats. Would you expect anything...
SPEAKER 14 :
else isn't was he is because i know you have family in illinois cane is he was he the senator in your area your family durbin yeah uh i'm not really sure to be honest with you that's a good question i was curious it's been a long time since i've lived in illinois so i i don't remember at the time
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They have two reps that there's polling data. You pull this up. This is over at Politico. This is polling data that was released just as a couple of weeks ago. But they were talking about two candidates, Lauren Underwood. And I'm going to unfortunately butcher this name, Raja Krishnamoorthy. And they are potentially frontrunners. Now, Krishnamoorthy has a $19 million war chest. Underwood only has a million dollars in cash on hand. Representative Robin Kelly also has $2 million in cash. Now, clearly, not always money in the war in the chest isn't always indicative of who's going to be a frontrunner. But in Illinois, in a primary race for this kind of seat, yes, it does. So I'm fine with that. Let's have a big fight. I love it when they fight. So I'm all for them fighting each other. I think that's great. And I think that we need more of it. That's what we need. And he's not endorsing anybody. Now, he didn't endorse anybody in the video that you saw. And he hasn't said anything otherwise. But the Chicago Sun-Times had said previously that he would not rule out endorsing someone. I just don't think he's going to do it in a primary. He's got too many tentacles and too many things. I think he's going to wait for things to get all tied up and tidy and have a nice little nest egg to leave with before he does anything like that. Because once he does, especially if he finds himself sideways with the winner, It's kind of a big deal. You don't want to you don't want to have something like that happening. Coming up, a number of things to get into. Texas Republicans just stabbed Texas taxpayers in the back, in the front and in the head and kicked them. Oh, my gosh. This is crazy. We're going to talk about what they did. We have a twenty four billion dollar surplus in Texas and they voted to waste eight billion dollars of it and raise property taxes. All of the promises about using the surplus to pay on property taxes were a lie. An absolute lie. We're going to talk to a state lawmaker, Brian Harrison, about that coming up. And boy, oh boy. I've said for years now that our media is just garbage. Legacy Press is garbage. How does the average person know if a news story, if the source is accurate or if it's biased? Ground News can be a great solution for that. Ground News can show you the stories and the sources of the day, and then they give you details about their sourcing, how reliable the reporting is and who owns them. and keep you fully informed on any potential political or motivational leanings. So, for instance, you could use Ground News to read about the Trump administration suing the state of Maine over participation of transgender athletes in girls' sports. The Huffington Post said, quote, Trump's newest political power grab is targeting Maine. The Toronto Sun said, quote, DOJ is to sue Maine over trans women competing in female sports. So same story, but two very different headlines. Is it a power grab by the president or is it in the hands of the DOJ? You can sign up for your Ground News account today and get access to the mobile app the website, the browser extension, and exclusive newsletter so you can stay informed on the news and the bias. Visit groundnews.com slash Dana today to get 40% off the Ground News Vantage plan and get access to all of their news analysis and features. That's groundnews.com slash Dana for 40% off the Ground News Vantage plan for a limited time only. Groundnews.com slash Dana for 40% off.
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Pastor Alan Jackson encourages Christians to get tough and fight.
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It's his life mission to make bad decisions. It's time for Florida Man.
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Now, This guy seems kind of polite to the cops. In a weird way, a Florida man was caught on video offering the cops a vodka spritzer during his car chase. The man allegedly robbed a convenience store, led police in pursuit, crashed, and then wrapped it by asking the police if they had fun. It was on April 19th in the Spring Lake Market in Sebring, Florida. A store had been robbed. They called the police. They identified the suspect as 39-year-old Richard Christopher Smith of Miami. And he walked out with several items from the store, including alcoholic beverages. And when the police arrived, they saw him in his black Chrysler Pacifica minivan driving in circles around the store. The driver then took off. Grant that took off, spotted the authorities and they began a chase that lasted several miles. Now, during the pursuit, a deputy parked on the road ahead of the driver can be heard on body camera footage yelling for Smith to stop. But the suspect drove on by holding a can of what authorities say was a vodka spritzer out of the driver's side while yelling, quote, I was just going to give you all a drink. That's it. Then the police reportedly had to use spike strips to flatten the tires in the minivan. And then he tried to ram two patrol vehicles. He finally came to a halt after crashing into one. They totally tased him because he didn't get on the ground. And then while he was handcuffed, he asked the officers, you guys had fun though, right? He's being held a $120,000 bond. I mean, he gave him a vodka spritzer and he asked him if they had fun, Kane. Kane and I are a little divided on this story. So a Florida man was caught on camera pinning down an 11-year-old girl that he thought was egging his house. The Hillsborough County Sheriff said, yeah, you can't. I mean, he legit tackled her. He thought that she was egging his home.
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All right, now tell everyone your position.
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43-year-old Morris Mutu. Okay, Kane's like, that's crazy that he tackled her. If a kid was egging my house, I would beat that kid's ass. Yes, I would tackle them and beat them in front of their parents, and then I'd beat their parents.
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You're a girl. You can tackle another girl.
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I would tackle a boy, too.
SPEAKER 14 :
Yeah, you're a girl. You can tackle a boy or a girl.
SPEAKER 27 :
So your point is that a man can't do this because it's a man. That's sexism.
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Yes. No, a man who is clearly 150 pounds above her is literally physically tackling her about eggs. Well, let's get real here.
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I think he should have confirmed that it was her before he did it. That's his mistake.
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Is that really where the mistake is? Yes, that was his mistake. That's the only mistake. He should have.
SPEAKER 27 :
Because if she was egging his house, I'd be like, get it.
SPEAKER 14 :
That's literally his only mistake.
SPEAKER 27 :
Yes, it's his mistake.
SPEAKER 14 :
So the tackling of the girl is not the mistake.
SPEAKER 27 :
Yes, he shouldn't have tackled her until he confirmed that.
SPEAKER 14 :
Okay, so there's two mistakes now.
SPEAKER 27 :
No, no. He should have confirmed it first before he tackled her.
SPEAKER 14 :
Okay, so wait a minute. He shouldn't be tackling her in any way, shape, or form because of eggs.
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I'm old school. I'm going to beat your kids with whatever thing I have and tackle them. I believe, look, if you don't discipline your kids, I sure as hell will. I don't agree with someone. I would expect society to do the same. If one of my kids are out wild, in which they never would. I expect somebody to slap him with a flip-flop.
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There's another side to this coin, then. Think about this. What if it's your daughter?
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I just explained it. If my daughter was egging someone's house, feed her ass. Yes. That's right. Do it before I do, because she ain't walking after.
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He didn't confirm that she actually did it. He just suspected she did.
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This is my whole mantra for misbehaving kids for life. That's...
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For the radio audience, she raised her flip-flop.
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I totally did. That's the only way to deal with them. But if it's my daughter and it wasn't confirmed she did it and she got physically tackled... Yeah, I wouldn't go tackle a kid if I was like, oh, I'm not sure, but it could be you. No! You confirm it first.
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If somebody wrongfully tackled your daughter, which was my question, what would you do?
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Well, I'd be like, what was she doing? Why did you... I mean, if she was on your... She was on his property. Look, I'm not defending the guy. I'm saying he should have confirmed it first.
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Okay, because it felt like you were defending him.
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But I also feel like we live in a society where you can take a knife into a tent and stab somebody to death. And hey, it's okay. Justice for that guy. You know? I'm like, where does it end?
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I'm just saying, if you're going to say that I hate old people, it sounds like you're defending this guy. And that's where I was coming from. So you're defending a...
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He's 43, so he's hardly an old guy. But he's older, yeah. But it was in Tampa. He's a parking enforcement specialist. And they said, oh, no, he shouldn't have done this. You know, it's unacceptable. What gets me, though, is there was a woman recording it who just heard, all she did was go, get off her, get off her. If I was a woman and I thought that there was a child being manhandled by an adult and they needed help, I'm not going to stand there and record it. I'm going to pop you. That's the thing. Like, he is damn lucky that there was nobody there that thought he was trying to kidnap this girl because he'd be dead. Yeah. He'd be dead. You cannot just... Oh man, there's so many variables here. But yeah, spare the rotten, spoiled child. That's exactly what happens. Exactly what happens. You gotta be careful with some of this stuff. A man dives into a lake to save a wounded eagle. This guy needs to be getting a medal from POTUS. He saved a life of an eagle that fell into a lake into his backyard. The bird was injured during a fight with another eagle. The eagle's stable has a long road to recovery at the Wildlife Center of Southwest Florida. Oh my gosh, right? That's the most symbolic story I've ever heard in my life. That actually is true. Good point, Cain. Very good point. We have a lot more on the way. Third hour coming up. Our partners that bring you the program. It's our friends at Patriot Mobile. A great service. If you haven't switched today, you really need to. Patriot Mobile is my cell phone service. I've used it for over a decade now. It's so it's so much so far superior to any of the services that I had before and I'm paying less. I mean you I have great nationwide coverage. They I have great when I travel internationally. I have amazing coverage as well. You get exceptional coverage. They operate on all three major networks. You're connected wherever you go, but here's the big thing. So yes, you're going to save money. You're going to spend less on even better plans. Yes, they have 100% U.S.-based customer service team. And they're not spending your hard-earned dollars on things like gun control or DEI or any of the stuff that you vote against every single time you go to the ballot box. You've got to really be careful and mindful about how you spend your money. Why would you not work with a company that not only believes what you do but supports what you believe in and doesn't betray you on that? And they give you exceptional customer service. No other cell phone operator, no other service does this but Patriot Mobile. And right now you can also get a free month of service with promo code Dana. Stop funding the left. Switch today. Visit patriotmobile.com slash Dana or call 972-PATRIOT and get a free month of service using promo code Dana. Switch today. Defend freedom with every call and text you make. That's patriotmobile.com slash Dana 972-PATRIOT.
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Got no message, they've got no movement, they've got no leader. I mean, it doesn't get any worse than that. I mean, you're defending Harvard, you're traveling El Salvador for MS 13 gang members. But here's the point, you're taking $20 million. If I'm looking at someone, my vice chair, the RNC taking $20 million for another effort, it's $20 million out of the DNC's pocket. You can't be on the board of the fishing and forest company and on Greenpeace at the same time. There are places for you to hold the party accountable. I think it's right.
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Let me push back against that. This was not an MS-13 gang member and you damn well know that.
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Come on. He was not. Okay, so keep defending this guy. The administration admitted this was wrong. In America, we have new process and we are in land of law and order.
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We are a land of law and order and this administration is repeatedly showing time and time again, they do not care about what the Supreme Court says. They do not care about the rule of law and you cannot defend sending people to another country where they don't have rights, where he's denied counsel, due process and so much more.
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So you're losing your effort. So if you want to try to defend the constitutionality of deporting a legal immigrant that's here. He took a lot of time to come after me. He's here illegally. The Intel community, every Intel community agency and the White House say he is a member of MS-13.
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I like Reince Priebus. He was talking to, oh, who's that little pig kid? David Hawke. I mean, that dude is made of twigs and magic, like black magic. I don't know. He's like, I don't know how he's animates. I don't know how he holds his frame. I mean, he has no tone anyway. No, I'm not a fan of him because he attacked my kids and me as a mother and my family repeatedly on live television told me that I owned Congress, all this stuff. He's just a moron. It is embarrassing that he's what the vice chair of the DNC. I mean, I want him to stay there as Democrats because I think it's a great look for them. But Reince Priebus used to be the RNC chair. This was back in like right when the Tea Party kicked off. And I remember because I got into an argument with him at a restaurant because we sat next to each other. But then we got along because he found out he actually realized he agreed with a lot of the grassroots stuff. And he was like, I get it. Yeah, I get it. And it ended up helping to foster a little bit better of a relationship. But he handled that very well. He doesn't get flustered. He's like Sarah Huckabee Sanders. They're just like, oh, my gosh. All right, kids, I'm going to pull the minivan over. They have that whole – that's like the mood that settles. It's funny. Welcome back. Dana Lash with you at the top of this third hour. But that was – they were on CNN, right? Yeah. Oh, sorry. MSNBC. And for him, David Hall going ABC. Sorry, David Hall going. Yeah. And you damn well know it. He cusses like he thinks it's going to give him like a plus 15 toughness buff or something. The way he said it was so like he practiced that. Oh, you're tough. Have you noticed a lot of lawmakers doing this on the left particularly? They think that that somehow is a good substitute for wit or policy or that it makes them appear tougher. And it doesn't. I'm going to tell you the person that remains the calmest and the coolest. Those are the people that are chill when this stuff happens and speak real calm. Those are the ones that I'm like, oh, that's the person you don't want to mess with, because if they can handle it when it's this hot. What is it like when they do unleash? These people that do all this performative outrage on the left, it's just so meaningless. Yeah, like Steve was telling us, the Tim Walz, like, mind your own damn business. Oh, my gosh. It's so it's just cringe to watch them do this. But him as the vice chair, he really has no idea what he's talking about. And then, of course, everybody's that's it's the conversation over the dude who was in El Salvador that we've been discussing this whole time. And this guy who absolutely was an illegal immigrant here in the United States. And then he was taken back to El Salvador where he was born and raised. By the way, here's something I was thinking of. When he said, and now this was proven false in court because the gang didn't even exist anymore. But, and that's why his asylum claim was denied, this Abrego Garcia guy. When he said that other gangs were targeting him, weren't they targeting him because he was in a gang? Isn't that why? It's like he tells on himself. They had other ones going down there. Didn't they have other lawmakers? Like how many lawmakers they had going down there? They had that one dude from Florida go down there and that one Democrat. Who else? I had this. I had this bolded. They sent several others down there. Like they were, like I said the other day, they're just taking turns going down. Audio soundbite 18. Now this one, they're going to visit Mahmoud Khali. This... This is the guy who was the Columbia student, remember? And he was saying, oh, it's so mean that they denied me the ability to be there with my firstborn when my child's being born. And I thought, well, you violated the terms of your stay. You shouldn't have done that and risked missing this as a consequence. Audio Soundbite 19. Democrats went to an ICE facility. Now they're going to do it with this guy. Listen. Here they are. Look at them all walking through. Ariana Presley. Walking through, they're all walking through to meet with this guy. Just, I mean, it's shameless. It's absolutely shameless. They, I don't know. I can't believe I'm playing this. This is Newsom. I'm telling you, he's positioning himself for 2028 as the moderate. There's a real threat here. Audio soundbite 19.
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This is the distraction of the day. the art of distraction. It's a tough case because people are really, are they defending MSR 13? Are they defending someone who's out of sight, out of mind in El Salvador? It's exactly the debate they want because they don't want this debate on the tariffs. They don't want to be accountable to the markets today. They want to have this conversation. Don't get distracted by distractions.
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Don't get distracted. Now, do you see how... I'm going to say something that might be... But I'm saying this as a warning. He is a very good, very good messenger. He's very good with messaging. He is similar to Claire McCaskill. That was his specialty before getting in a public office, apparently. He is very good with messaging. Did you see what he just did there? He's dividing the baby. He's like, yes, don't be distracted by distraction. At no point... He said, you know, you're risking the appearance of defending this guy. He didn't tell them not to do it. He just said, don't be distracted. He didn't justify the objections by siding with those objections. And he didn't really technically condemn the motivations for these Democrats doing it. He just said that what he intimated, what the statement intimates is that Other people are going to define you by this. So don't get baited and don't fall into it. So he's giving the appearance of making it look like he's condemning them for what they're doing and seeming reasonable about it while simultaneously not condemning them for what they're doing and yet not really actually going to that reasonable position that he hopes others thinks that he's taking. Does that make sense? The way that he messaged that was very interesting. No, just don't be, you know, you're going to risk being defined by this. Don't be distracted by distractions. Like, what does it even mean? What is the distraction here? Is the distraction what they're saying? Or is the distraction like using this guy as a PR stunt? It was like a nothing burger statement that wasn't. It's very interesting. He's doing this little this stuff and making these little quips about current events and letting it, you know, kind of hang out there without clarification and. That way he can look like he's moving to the middle on it and he seems like the reasonable Democrat. He's already started building his case for himself for 28 to look like the reasonable person. Because I'm telling you what, this is what's going to happen going into 2028. First off, midterms, if we don't have any trade deals. Dude, I know that Democrats have been worried about losing more seats in the House, but that could easily switch the other way. This very fragile coalition that we have, the biggest threat to it is Republican inaction. The biggest threat is that. And it's something that I just don't see them doing anything really to thwart. I don't think Republicans have their eye on this. I have no idea where the RNC is at. Where's the RNC? Where is the hell is the RNC with this stuff? If you don't have these trade deals, you don't have reduced taxes. That fragile coalition that all came together for just two things, two tenants, it's going to just blow up. It's going to be horrible. I'm just saying this as a warning because I don't want this to happen. And then by the time 2028 comes around, everyone, the media, and they will have convinced enough independents. They will think, oh, that was a very chaotic term under Trump. Oh, gosh, total chaos, high prices. You don't want any more of that. Let's go to the reasonable moderate. That's what they're going to go to. And by that time, Gavin Newsom, because he's playing in the periphery, is going to be making this case that he's this moderate guy and he's been doing so without objection. He has these people from the right that go on his show that use that allowed that mean that he uses them as props. You might think, well, that's great. You know, they're finding common ground. Isn't that what it should be about? If you don't know how Gavin Newsom works, that's an easy thing to say. He is one of the most insidious people in politics next to Claire McCaskill. She was very savvy. He has all of this baggage and he's been able to last this long because he's got money and he's savvy. That's why. You have got to be aware of this. I'm not saying that he's smart in everything, but he's smart in messaging and he's very quick on his feet with that. Not every Republican is. Not every Democrat is. That's going to be a problem for Democrats if they do not get the rest of this stuff done. Oh, my gosh. But that's, you know, that's how he's positioning it. But they shouldn't, Democrats need to, or Republicans really need to hammer it even more. I don't think they're hammering it enough. I mean, the photo ops. Did you see? There was one photo. Did that guy have one or two margaritas? gang member because there was like two glasses with a little thing on him and i'm like there's three people sitting here and there's four margarita glasses am i was that crazy i counted four maybe i'm wrong i don't know but my i can count better than democrats i'm just saying uh i wanted um a couple of other things that i want to get to let's see here oh goodness so randy weingarten went on fox It didn't go very good. What do I want to play first, Steve? Six or seven? Both of them are bangers. Let's start with six. So she's talking to Martha McCallum, AFT president, Randy Weingarten. They're talking about classroom indoctrination. Well, talking for now. Listen.
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But you don't want to indoctrinate children. You don't want a child to hear a book read to the whole classroom and go home and say, why am I being taught that I was born a girl, but that was just a guess? I mean, that is going to freak out some children. They are going to be very confused at four, five, and six years old. And I know you said that you don't agree with reading this in the classroom, but I'm saying this is the problem. Then that same kid can't read and is pushed all the way to eighth grade, and they still can't read.
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So, Martha, I suspect that you and I agree on more that we don't. I know you don't believe me. No, I didn't say that. What I'm saying to you is that I saw that case and, you know, if you have not socialized books with parents and a book that may be controversial and you haven't actually talked to your parents of your kids in that classroom, that's going to be a problem regardless of what's in the book.
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So, no, that's not, you're talking about sexually inappropriate material. You're talking about I can't even actually tell you what's in the book again. I'll get in trouble. How do I say this? I can't even say what's in it.
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I mean, that should alone tell people how crazy this is. Just the fact that we're having this conversation.
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Well, they have a big debate and they melt down later and we'll play that later. But man alive. Also coming up, Texas state rep Brian Harrison. Texas Republicans just voted to increase property taxes and they spent eight billion of a twenty four billion dollar surplus. on not property taxes. They're spending it on everything from crony corporatism, all their little special interests. We're going to dive into that coming up as well. As we move, we got headlines on the way, our partners. I always tell people to carry. I will always carry. I will always encourage people to carry. I get that some people want to diversify their weapons array. I understand that. Especially like what we were just talking about, gun-free zones. I have friends who were, all I can say is that they work in the media. New York, Washington, D.C., they are out at night because, as you know, apparently our government now with this administration never sleeps. And even though they went through all the hoops and jumped through all of that stuff and got their license to carry, they're barred from carrying in a number of places. So they went out and they got what's called the Burna SD. That's the most popular model. It shoots chemical irritant projectiles that deter threats from up to 50 feet away. And it is a way for you to still have some means of protection when you are barred from carry. I mean, think about it. You carry knives. You know, you'll carry blades. You have different calibers. You know, I think the saying is what I use my pistol to get to my rifle. You see, you have all different kinds of stuff. It's always good to anticipate varied situations and plan accordingly. And this is the niche that I feel that Berna fits. And you can look and go to their website and see everything that they have to offer. Like I said, the Berna SD is the most popular model. And when you go, you when you when you go and you can look at the different options. Projectiles, that's what I'm thinking of. The different projectiles, the different accessories, all this kind of stuff. They have different things up there. And this has five rounds compared to regular stun guns, which only have one or two. So you have multiple chances. Visit Byrna.com slash Dana, B-Y-R-N-A.com slash Dana and get 10% off your purchase.
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And now, all of the news you would probably miss. It's time for Dana's Quick Five.
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A plane passenger sparked an emergency landing after the guy convinced himself that there were snakes slithering on an easy jet flight from Gatwick. And the crazed hallucinations, they stemmed from a snake pattern on his own clothes. calls coming from inside the house the guy that's that's he was wearing a t-shirt with a snake pattern on it and then he felt like at 30 000 feet he went berserk they said he thought that there were snakes on the plane slithering around the plane uh families looked in horror because he was starting to become abusive and threatening screaming that they needed to land they were going from gatwick to marrakesh and they took uh they had an emergency landing in portugal Oh, boy. Yeah, they said that there are 180 pounds. Nobody was hurt, thankfully. But can you imagine being delayed like that because somebody, yeah, is freaking out? Let's see. Oh, boy. This is WAPT. A man hands a joint to a Richland officer during a traffic stop before a major bust. He looks like he doesn't give a care. Marijuana joint has led to several pounds of drugs, including shrooms and ecstasy, that were confiscated in Mississippi. The guy admitted during the traffic stop that he smoked weed. They pulled him over for traffic violation. And the guy's Carl Domino, 58, of Story, Arkansas. He literally handed the cop a joint. Pretty sure he can't be doing stuff like that. Oh my goodness. I don't know why this is bad. I agree. 13 Bozeman police officers were caught playing crime bingo while on duty. Why is that caught? It was called mid-shift bingo, like a drug DUI, things like that. That's silly. Stay with us. Brian Harrison next. That's our friends over at All Family Pharmacy. This is a great... entity it's a great website any of your all your medications are covered over at all family pharmacy everything you want they got the ivermectin they got the hydroxychloroquine they got all of it all the stuff that remember when the system was trying to keep it from you therapeutics when they actually i took ivermectin and i'm telling you it helped me when i had covid i didn't get a vaccine i got the natural thing and it really helped me and of course the system was trying to shut everybody's access down to that and it makes you wonder well what else are they trying to prevent you from getting to that's a whole other topic anyway uh you don't have to play by the system's rules all family pharmacy doesn't either it's simple fast and affordable they can get you your stuff right to your front door in two to four days overnight in a pinch if you need it they have maintenance medications no fast shipping no hassle no gatekeepers and everything is made in the usa you don't have to worry about where your stuff is manufactured you don't have to worry about quality and safety because it comes from the United States. Visit allfamilypharmacy.com slash Dana and get 10% off using promo code Dana10. Be prepared. Protect yourself and your family today. Allfamilypharmacy.com slash Dana. Coupon code Dana10 to save 10%.
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Welcome back to the program. Dana Lash with you. We are at the bottom of this third hour. You can listen coast to coast, across the nation, terrestrially, hundreds of markets, and of course, digitally. And don't forget the stream, Channel 347, the chats at Rumble, X, Facebook, everywhere. All right, so one of the things we've been talking about a lot, red state rhino hunting. This story has me really mad. I'm glad we just came in off a nice little break because I get real riled up. Over this, some choice words. I was firing off some texts to some folks in Austin. One of them, I'm guaranteeing never going to hear back from that person again. That's totally fine. It was pretty caps lock. I'm trying to figure out what the heck is happening here. This is insane. Now, Texas, red republic, red state, and we are turning into a blue paradise, for the lack of a better way to put it. This is part of our red state rhino hunting, Juan. It's not official until you throw the graphic up. We're getting there. We're getting there. It's a fancy graphic, you know. But this, this is, we talked a little bit about this earlier on. So what ended up happening is, you know, Texas, you know, voting for Republicans, you're supposed to, we were promised that we were going to have property tax relief. We were promised a whole bunch of stuff. It is not happening, according to Texas State Rep. Brian Harrison, who represents the 10th District. native texan he also worked in the trump administration as well and he joins us now uh representative harrison oh my goodness you are keeping us up to date with everything and we are grateful for it okay so let me make sure i understand this correctly and then i'm going to turn it over to you we have a 24 billion dollar surplus and instead of using it i mean i literally had on greg abbott governor greg abbott yesterday while he was talking to me That is, I mean, I'm not kidding you, Representative. Seven minutes after he left the show, that's when you said, oh my gosh, the House just voted to spend $3 billion on crony corporatism, and you're not going to get any property tax relief. And then today, you stated that they are spending $8 billion of a $24 billion surplus on who knows what, and they're voting for a property tax increase. What is happening in Austin?
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You either have to laugh or cry, or I spend a lot of time just being angry. And if you're a voter in Texas, you have every right to be angry. I'm not going to sugarcoat this, Dana, because Texans deserve the truth. I'm tired of the politicians in Austin breaking their arms, patting themselves on the back, when they're not even doing the bare minimum of what voters elected them to do. Texas voters reelected President Trump by 14 points. But the Joe Biden-Kamala Harris agenda is alive and well in the swamp of Austin. This may go down in history as the most anti-taxpayer session in the history of our state. It is impossible, and we're almost all the way through session at this point, it is impossible to overstate how much I think the Texas government hates the taxpayers that pay the bills. Let me give you just a couple examples. You hit the highlights. We've got a $24 billion surplus. And despite what some politicians down here are telling you, we don't have this surplus because we've been fiscally conservative. We have been the opposite of fiscal conservative. We have a surplus because we have been overtaxing Texans. And we're sitting on a $24 billion pile of your money. And by the way, that's sitting right next to a $29 billion pile of your money in a rainy day fund. So we're talking almost $60 billion of your money that we're just sitting on down here in Austin. Actually, it's worse than just sitting on it. We're spending it. And we're spending it on basically every left-wing pet project, woke initiative you can imagine, DEI, transgender ideology. And you just mentioned a few. House Bill 2, perhaps the worst bill I've ever seen since getting elected. It piles $8 billion. billion. So of the $24 billion surplus, $8 billion was set ablaze to go on top of an already overfunded, failing government monopoly, which we're already spending $100 billion a year, $18,000 a student on without any reforms. It's going to actually make our public schools worse. That's $8 billion of the $24 billion surplus. Just yesterday, look, I want nuclear power as much as anybody, but the way to do it is by slashing taxes and slashing regulations, not by crony corporatism. So we spent $2 billion in of the surplus yesterday on nuclear. What did we do today? We're not done yet. As President Trump is reining in and trying to cut the federal NIH, National Institutes for Health, because of how much taxpayer dollars that's wasting up there. Yeah, the Texas House voted to stood up the Texas NIH to study dementia. How much is that going to cost? $3 billion. Is there any guarantee any good is going to come of that? Absolutely not. And let's talk about Doge, okay? President Trump's Doge is cutting government, reining in spending, slashing the bureaucracy, firing thousands of bureaucrats. Well, the Texas House has a Doge, too. But what has the Texas House Doge done? Oh, it's grown government, expanded the bureaucracy, increased spending, and even after the Supreme Court shut down the bureaucrats' best weapon, which is called Chevron deference, yeah, the Texas House Doge just protected Chevron deference in Texas courts, meaning Texas courts are now more liberal than DC courts. Wow. This is the most anti-taxpayer session in the history of Texas. Let me tell you what, I on my own, I went through the Texas budget, I'm on the Appropriations Committee, I identified $90 billion that we could cut without breaking a sweat if we just stopped funding agencies that were doing DEI and left-wing transgender ideology. And that means we could cut people's property taxes in half tomorrow without breaking a sweat, put our state on a path to eliminating property taxes, we would become the economic juggernaut of the planet. But instead, the Austin Swamp is doing the opposite. We're spending the surplus, we're growing government, we are reducing liberty, and I've had it.
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I mean, I got this guy for a reason, my little stress ball. This is crazy what I'm hearing from this. We're talking to Texas Rep. Brian Harrison, who's been a watchdog for the taxpayer on this. So I think it's safe to say We're not getting property tax relief. We're going to get a hike.
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Let me tell you what they're going to say. There's a $24 billion surplus. All right, let me tell you the gaslighting that's about to happen. Of the $24 billion surplus, they have set aside, they're so generous, $3.5 billion of the $24 billion for new property tax relief. You don't have to take my word for this. I got the Legislative Budget Board Director to admit to me in a hearing. You can watch it on tape. It's only $3.5 billion. But what they're about to do, they're going to gaslight you. Because of mathematical errors on last session's tax relief package, it actually cost more when they lowered some rates. What they're going to do is go back and just fulfill current law. But because their math was wrong, they had to add about $6 or $7 billion just to make up for last session's property tax relief package. property tax relief package, but they're going to pretend that that's new to this session. So they're going to just, they haven't done it yet. Mark my words. They're going to come out and they're going to announce a $10 billion property tax relief package, which number one is pure gaslighting. It's a lie. The real number is 3.5 billion. But even if it were true, Dana, last session, we passed a $12.5 billion property tax relief package. And what happened? Property tax bills went up. Texans are sick and tired of swamp politicians telling them they're cutting taxes. Meanwhile, they're down here cutting deals with Democrats to fund every Joe Biden and Kamala Harris initiative that anybody has ever cooked up in this town and making the Texas or the taxpayers of the state of Texas who are being taxed out of their homes. pay for it, all the while telling them they should be applauding the hard work of the great Republicans who are fighting for small government down here in the swamp of Austin. It is outrageous, and I'm going to continue calling it out. Quite frankly, I don't care who it pisses off down here. The Texans deserve the truth.
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You've got a lot of people behind you, so if they come for you, they come for a lot of us, and that's a promise. Talking to State Rep. Brian Harrison, Texas Representative, you also noted that they were trying to force the Appropriations Committee to vote in secret. I put this out yesterday. They've done this like five times. I at least know that that's against the house rules.
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that they voted for, that they crammed down our throats. The irony is I voted against the House rules because of the amount of power we gave to Democrats, but at least had this one provision, I guess they accidentally left in there, that says that Appropriations Committee hearings have to be held in public with TV cameras and microphones. It's so much worse, Dana. If you ever hear someone tell you that the House doesn't have Democrat chairmen, know that you are being lied to. The Appropriations Committee has multiple Democrat chairmen. They wrote the budget in secret so the House budget was written by Democrats for Democrats, it funded Democrat priorities, and it was written in secret in black and white violation of the house rules. And then the appropriation chair, this Rhino, Greg Bonin, in order to hide, we haven't even talked about this yet, in order to hide what he wants to do, which is take $5 billion of the rainy day fund, okay, which we're about to blow through the cap, instead of giving it back to the taxpayers that I wanna do, he wants to take $5 billion hand it to rich investment firms so they can make a fortune managing your property tax dollars, your sales tax dollars, but he didn't wanna do it with the cameras rolling, so he forced us to meet in a small room in a corner of a museum. And fortunately, I had my staffer there to start recording this when I had to read the rules to him and force him to cancel the whole meeting. And so I was able to temporarily kill that bill. But don't worry, that one's going to come back. They're going to rob you of five billion more dollars that should go to property tax relief so they can hand it to rich investment firms on Wall Street. This is insanity. Give us some names. Well, Greg Bonham's the chair of that committee. Let me tell you the worst way to talk about the names, Dana. This hurts my heart. Some of these people are my friends, okay? The most egregious bill we've had so far is HB2. The $8 billion most liberal, bloated boondoggle I've ever seen since getting elected to the public office. There were only... four republicans that had the courage to vote against this this democrat and rhino constructed bill four republicans had the courage to vote against this um and we have 88 republicans in the texas house that is how bad things are and i've had it with republicans campaigning like ron paul but governing like mitch mcconnell but that's what we have every day here in the texas house
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That's a very good point. We're talking with Texas rep Brian Harrison. I noticed that someone was saying, oh, Brian Harrison couldn't show up even though he was complaining. You were in another. Hearing you were what gets me is it was a public hearing. So this I don't want to give him too much attention, but he's an editor at this. It's a propaganda thing over down in Austin. And he was trying to accuse you of not showing up when they try to hold a hearing on your legislation because you were literally in another public hearing that was also streaming at the same time. I guess he doesn't read.
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Well, you know what? I thought that the bloggers and the reporters in D.C. were liberal and low IQ. I had no idea what low IQ was on bloggers until I got elected to the Texas House and came down here to Austin. OK, so these these ankle biting, you know, liberal bloggers. Yes, they tried to concoct this smear that I wasn't at work trying to somehow find some way to discredit me, to take me out because they can't. They can't go after your points. So they're going to come after you. No, but the truth is, if he had turned on the other TV screens, he would know that I was literally voting on bills. I've been the Capitol for three hours. I was voting on bills in another hearing. It was only for 10 minutes when I was voting on bills. And somehow in a day long hearing during that 10 minute window, my bill, which, by the way, it was a bill to stop. ESG in Texas. He calls up my bill knowing I'm not in the room and then withdraws the bill, something that never happens. They usually just wait till the member comes and hears the bill. So what they've actually done, I just tweeted this out, in their like cheap stunt that they thought, okay, we're going to smear this conservative Brian Harrison because he's making us look bad and he's exposing us. All they've actually done, Texans see through this, all they've done is help the ESG-supporting leftists by protecting ESG in the state of Texas. That's what their cheap stunt actually accomplished. But you know what? It shouldn't be surprising that they did something today that helps ESG-supporting leftists because the truth is Democrats control the Texas House.
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Democrats are apparently running a red state. What can voters do? I feel like they call and they email, but then a staffer reads it and it goes right into the trash can.
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Yeah. So here's what you do. Call them, email them, but do it with a very specific question. Don't ask them about conservative, liberal, Republican, Democrat. They all have the right answers. They know what to say around campaign time, and that's what they're going to say to the voters. Ask them a specific question. Say, we know that the leadership of the House is corrupt. Say, we know Democrats really control the Speaker. So ask them, give me an example where you have publicly stood up to the failed, corrupt, rhino, Democrat controlled leadership of the Texas House. Give me an example you can point to where you have stood up to House leadership. And if they don't give you an answer, find them on Facebook, or worse, find them on X. I promise you, if you tag them in a tweet or on X, I guess it is on a post on X, they will see it. Ask them to explain to you how they are fighting for you, what they have done to advance liberty and freedom, and how they have stood up in a tangible and visible way. to the corrupt leadership in the Texas House that is colluding with Democrats to bankrupt the next generation and destroy liberty in the state of Texas.
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They're running people out of Texas is what they're going to do.
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But they're running conservatives. They're running small government liberty-loving Texans out of this state. But it's worse than that. They're bringing in wealthy liberals from all over the country by stealing property tax money from individuals and ma and pa shops who they're making pay full freight on their property taxes, but then they're offering tax abatements to rich, woke, multinational firms to relocate here and not making them pay a dime on their property tax bill. It's the most perverse set of incentives people could possibly imagine for this state. It's harming individual Texans, and it is enriching rich, woke, multinational firms who are bringing their left-wing voters to the state of Texas.
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Texas Representative Brian Harrison, you do an amazing job for us in Austin, and keep at it. And we're here right with you. You just let us know what we need to do to put the heat on some of these folks, because— Some of us like putting the heat on the folks that deserve it. So you let us know. We appreciate all you do and your time.
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Well, the only way good things happen in Austin is when people feel the pressure. So let me reciprocate. Thank you for the kind words. But thank you for what you're doing, Dana, to shed a light on this and bring transparency to the swamp. I would say transparency is like kryptonite in the swamp. So I appreciate what you're doing as well.
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Well, thank you. Well, we'd love to have you back. I know we will. And we'll talk again soon. Thank you so much.
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Talk soon, Dana.
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That's Texas Representative Brian Harrison. You should go find him. He's at Brian E. Harrison on X. You're going to get mad, though, with all the stuff that he's been revealing. Just FYI. We've got a lot more on the way today in stupidity coming up as we move our partners. It's our friends over at Caltech, the PR57 chambered in 5-7, one of the newest. This is such a great—this is a must-have. Now, I've encouraged people before to go and get things like— You know, the KSG, which I also think is a must-have, but you absolutely must have the PR-57 rotary barrel pistol. First off, it's 40% lighter than the next lightest 5.7. It's slimmer. It's lighter. Now, how do they do that? They have an innovative rotary barrel. But they also have a unique top-loading design that replaces traditional magazines with stripper clips. That creates a slimmer carry profile, and you've got a 20-plus-1 capacity. Super low recoil. I mean, it's just like butter. Perfect for everyday carry. Like, I could actually legitimately conceal carry this 5.7. I can't with others, but I could this. The MSRP, only $399. It is an absolute winner. It's the first of its kind. Kel-Tec PR-57 rotary barrel pistol chambered in 5.7. Visit Kel-TecWeapons.com to learn more. Innovation, performance, Kel-Tec. K-E-L-T-E-C-Weapons.com. Tell them Dana sent you.
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I'll be on with my friend Will Kane on Fox later today. Make sure you tune in. In the meantime, today's Stupidity Kane.
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All right, it's cut 13. This is Jasmine Crockett. I think she thinks IQ and IQ test stands for interesting questions. Listen to this.
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He also called you low IQ. I'm sure you're aware of that. Would you be willing to take an IQ test publicly head to head against the president of the United States? Absolutely.
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Please raise your hand if you'd love to see that.
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Discover the profound impact of volunteerism on enhancing the quality of life in retirement. Learn about a variety of meaningful volunteer roles, from helping at local animal shelters to working with organizations like Meals on Wheels and therapeutic riding programs. This episode also highlights the importance of aligning your skills and interests with volunteer activities to create a rewarding post-retirement life. Whether through tutoring, supporting the elderly, or participating in disaster relief, the joy of giving back is boundless.
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about certain things that are going on in the economy, things that are going on legislatively, and that sort of thing. My number is 303-744-1128. And one thing that I will be talking about repeatedly, because it's extremely important, that the Social Security Fairness Act was passed into law about two months ago. And essentially what that did, it eliminated the penalty that people were facing who participated in a pension crisis. and were not contributing to Social Security during that period. Those people include state workers, teachers, many firemen, many police officers, and so forth. And the way it used to be is if someone worked and paid into Social Security and they have their 40 quarters, which is 10 years, But then after that, subsequent to that, they may have worked for the state of Colorado for 20, 25 years and have a nice pension. And the old rule was that pension was radically reduced. Not the pension itself, but the Social Security benefit was radically reduced because of this other pension that people received earlier. while they were not participating in Social Security. And this also affects spouses or widows of people who contributed to Social Security that may not have been eligible in the past because of their participation in something like PERA or another pension plan. And if that's something you would like to check into or learn about, if you qualify or anything like that, give my office a call. Again, the number is 303-744-1128. Today, I'm going to talk a little bit about what is important once people do fully retire. I often talk about the importance of having a plan. Most of the people who come into my office have been good savers, and they need some assistance in certain areas. They would like to add some structure to the savings that they've been doing. to make certain that what they have will last during their retirement and so forth. And most of the people who come in are going to have a relatively comfortable retirement because they've been good savers and they've lived well within their means. However, once someone retires, the big question becomes, well, it appears that I have enough money, but now what am I going to do? If you don't specifically plan how you're going to spend your time in retirement, you end up sort of reacting to things that may come along rather than proactively deciding what you would like to do. Some of the people I know who are the happiest in retirement who have found ways of giving back. Volunteerism. And that is such an enormous topic that I could probably spend the next four to six weeks talking about nothing but volunteering in retirement. But that wouldn't honor my show having it be a financial show rather than a show about volunteerism. But I think it's extremely important. And the reason I believe that is because the people who experience the most joy in retirement from my communications and interactions with those people are those who bring joy and fulfillment to other people. And the list of ways that people can volunteer and to give back in retirement, that list is enormous. My home and office are both in the downtown Littleton area, and I began my search, so to speak, for ways that people can give back and volunteer and so forth. It began with with volunteer opportunities in Littleton. And Littleton, I believe, is a well-run community. The local government has done a lot for the residents and the businesses. During COVID, they permitted the restaurants to remain open. They even blocked off the streets in downtown Littleton during COVID so that the restaurants could put tables and chairs out in the middle of Main Street. and do a booming business when many other restaurants and other parts of the metro area were failing. But some ways to give back in Littleton include volunteering at the Bemis Library. It's been there for a long time. They have like clerical positions, positions involving, you know, putting the books back and some things like that and assisting people who come in who aren't familiar with the library. The Littleton courts require volunteerism, and there's administrative work, checking people in who have court appearances, and you can even volunteer to be a bailiff. which I thought was interesting. If you've ever watched Night Court, they have the bailiff there. Well, that's something that you could volunteer for. And I think getting to see the workings of government in part of your volunteerism, I think that would be very useful and you can help the cogs of government work smoothly. There's also a museum in downtown Littleton. People can be greeters there, reception. You can also be part of the people who are doing research, living history, things of that nature, which I believe are extremely important. Crisis intervention. There are places where you can do victims' services. And first of all, this is not exclusive to downtown Littleton. If you, for example, would like to volunteer in a museum, you could probably find out about opportunities in the Denver Museum. If you have a real joy for art, you could probably find... a volunteer position at the Denver Art Museum. So volunteer opportunities in places like this are clearly not limited to Littleton. But if you are familiar with that part of town, there are a lot of opportunities. The third week in August, every year in Littleton, they have what's called Western Welcome Week. And they have been doing that for, don't hold me to this number, but I think about 80 years now. And that involves parades. It involves booths that sell a lot of things. And it's a very, very big deal. They have a concert at Stern Park, which is a few blocks from downtown. So it's a very big deal. And It's only made possible because of all the many, many volunteers. I know my own business, Golden Eagle Financial, for the last three years. I've had a booth there where people can spin a wheel and see if they win something. But if you enjoy... a lot of activity and volunteering in a very vibrant environment, so to speak, and you live in the Littleton area, consider volunteering for Western Welcome Week. They do a lot of planning for it because it's a very big deal. Again, it takes place the third week of In August, every year, a lot of music, a lot of parades, a lot of fun things happening. And also in downtown Littleton, there is earlier in August, normally, there is the Littleton Criterium. which is a professional bike race, and these are the best cyclists in the United States who go to various places and race, and they block off the streets for that, and that is a big deal also if that's something for which you're more enthusiastic. Now, also, South Suburban Parks and Recreation, there are some opportunities there. Now, that's not directly affiliated with downtown Littleton, but if you've ever been down the Platte River Trail between Santa Fe and the Platte River there, there's what's called a nature center. And I've met people who volunteer there. It's very near the brewery, the Breckenridge Brewery. brewery, and it's sort of just a little offshoot off of the Platte River Trail, and it's part of the South Suburban Parks and Recreation, and it's called the Nature Center. Now, these are some local, very local places that people can volunteer, and in some of the things I was looking up, I've met people who really volunteer in order to help those who are in some of the most dire circumstances that you can possibly imagine. There's a country called Burkina Faso. I've never heard of it until I did a little bit of research today. It is the third poorest country in the world. I believe it's a very small country in Africa, but there are people volunteering there which is a much bigger deal than going to the local library or something. And they're assisting the people who live in this country, especially women, with doing things that can generate income for themselves since they live in such a poor country. And that includes soap making, weaving, things of this nature. And these are things that, you know, I... never even learned about until I started doing a little bit of research. But this kind of volunteerism is very different and basically what it involves, it would end up being what's called a volunteer vacation. Now churches, most churches do have missions and there can be local missions which we sort of call outreach and international missions where they will send people for maybe a week or two to assist other missionaries in other parts of the world where the gospel is being preached and some of the places where that's happening are places like the Czech Republic which are you know extremely civilized and so forth other places like places in Africa where a great deal of the work involves you know truly helping the less fortunate in addition to sharing the gospel so if you would attend a local church and want to learn about volunteer opportunities in addition to local outreaches, find out about opportunities to go on a short-term mission trip. And usually those are at your own expense, but the people I know who have done these have gotten a great deal of joy themselves from helping other people, helping the less fortunate. And I will have more information about volunteerism after the break.
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Welcome back to Retirement Unpacked. We've been talking about volunteerism. And the reason that's important is because for the people I work with who have saved enough financially to enjoy their retirement, finding ways to give back and help other people can bring a lot of joy and fulfillment to their lives. to your own retirement because nothing against playing golf and going on cruises and things of that nature, but when you find ways to give back and you can see the joy you bring to other people because of your volunteerism, I think that can have your life become much more well-rounded. And one of the ways I think people can help is by tutoring children. And I don't mean tiny children, but maybe high schoolers, maybe middle schoolers. Engineers, for example, have tremendous skills in math. And some kids in middle school and high school have difficulty with algebra, trigonometry, and things like that. And so something like that can be a real fit for someone who has a strong math background. So I think if you're wanting to give back, I think a couple of things you could ask yourself. One is, what do you really enjoy doing? And the other one you can ask yourself is, where do my skills lie? What am I good at? What is my educational background? I know people who are retired nurses that enjoy so much helping other people that they volunteer to substitute for a family caregiver. A high percentage of people who are receiving care are receiving that from a family member. And in many cases, the family member is the primary or the only caregiver. And substituting so that caregiver can go out to lunch or go see a movie or have a weekend off, that is a tremendous way that you can be helpful. I don't think a medical background is necessary because most caregivers aren't providing highly skilled medical care. They're just being there to help this friend or relative or whoever it is do things that they used to do by themselves, things like eating and bathing and going to the grocery, a ride to the doctor, things of that nature. Some other ways of helping, we talked about tutoring kids. Some of them may involve trade skills. People who have skills in the trades can share that with younger people, especially as people are transitioning from high school, choosing not to go to college. Someone who has skills in plumbing or welding or or electric, things of this nature can be very helpful to a young person making that transition from high school into the working world. A lot of people I know just really love animals and animal shelters, especially dogs and cats. Those are places that are always needing volunteers because many people who adopt a pet or purchase a pet don't think it through. And they don't realize that having a pet is a big responsibility. And some people don't. Look at certain pets or certain, especially dogs, as, oh, they are so cute, not realizing that that particular breed of dog needs a lot of activity. And if your lifestyle doesn't involve a lot of activity, then some of those dogs end up back in shelters because people aren't well suited for the activity level of the dog. Shelters often have a lot of dogs, especially high-energy dogs, dogs like huskies and border collies, and dogs that are young and vibrant and full of energy. When the people adopted them or purchased them, they didn't think it through. Shelters really need dogs. A lot of volunteerism to help them. And it may be things like actually taking care of the animal. It may be things like answering phone calls or emails for all of the inquiries with people who are interested in a dog. I mentioned being a senior caregiver, and something else I think is a really good way to volunteer if you have a big heart is places like Samaritan's Purse. They are always looking for volunteers because they are one of the first ones who are there like in northwestern North Carolina and in Florida following the hurricane. Samaritan's Purse is often the first one there. And they have people who are compensated, but they also have a lot of volunteers. And I think given some of the disastrous circumstances those people are in after the floods and the hurricane and everything, I think anything that we can do to help on a volunteer basis can be greatly, greatly appreciated. A lot of people I know truly enjoy the outdoors, myself included. I like to hike. I bike. I haven't skied as much as I did in years past, but I enjoy the mountains. And we have... 85 million acres of national parks. There are 418 different sites. And that also doesn't include national monuments. Mount Rushmore, for example, is a national monument. There are a lot of national monuments that are different than national parks. But the point being, all of those parks have volunteers. So if you wanted to spend a reasonable amount of time near a park or if you don't live terribly far from possibly Rocky Mountain National Park, I think the opportunity to volunteer. and be a guide or someone who can assist the many, many visitors who come to those parks. That's a way to enjoy the outdoors, if that's a big part of your own life, as well as participate in some really good volunteerism and so forth. There is an entity called Senior Companions. where volunteers provide services to the elderly who need help. And it may be they need a ride to the doctor, they may need a ride to the grocery store, they may just need some companionship, or they may enjoy meeting with your dog. So all kinds of ways that you can become a senior companion to someone who is elderly which brings me to Meals on Wheels. And I'm sure you've heard of that, but you probably didn't know that there are 500, I'm sorry, not 500, 5,000 independently run local programs that provide meals to seniors. And that's an area where you can volunteer. You can be the one delivering the meals. You can help prepare the meals. You can help logistically. I know a lot of people are very skilled administratively. but maybe wouldn't like to drive around because that's just not something that they enjoy. So all of these entities that I've been talking about need administrators. They need people to answer the phone and so forth. So Meals on Wheels, that is a tremendous organization providing nourishment for the elderly who may not get out of their home much, may have difficulty doing their own chores. food preparation, and so forth. And I think with 5,000 locally run entities, there's probably availability to volunteer for Meals on Wheels. Another great organization, and this isn't one organization. This is one that's all over the United States. It's called Therapeutic Riding, and that has to do with horseback riding specifically for people who have special needs. Those can be children or adults. And what they have found is when children or adults who have special needs, like children with Down syndrome or some other particular deficit in their development and so forth, they get enormous joy from writing very gently about And one of the reasons for that, they feel like they have some control over something they haven't had in the past. And that is a tremendous program that helps those with special needs. And I think if you were to Google therapeutic riding, I know there is one in the Denver metro area. I don't have their information, but thank you for listening. We've wrapped up another 30 minutes. And if you want to have a bit more joy in your retirement, think of some ways that you can give back and you'll receive joy by providing others with joy. Thank you for listening. God bless you. Let's continue to pray for our leaders and the folks in Israel. Bye now.
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