
Join us as we unravel the political dynamics with insights on Trump's influence and immigration policy changes. We also touch upon a shocking incident in Minnesota and analyze the consequences of a potential mayoral shift in New York City, where radical politics threaten to redefine the leadership landscape. Bringing global insights and national matters into sharp focus, this episode offers an engaging overview of the pivotal events defining our times.
SPEAKER 09 :
Welcome to the Mike Gallagher Show Week in Review podcast. I'm Eric Hansen. It's Friday, June 20th, 2025. This week, we share the truth about the Biden administration's immigration policy, the scary mayor's race in New York City, and insight from Israel. We begin with the war that rages now in the Middle East.
SPEAKER 03 :
There's a Democrat effort to block... American military force against Iran. So in a way, the Tucker Carlsons of the world are siding with prominent Democrats who don't want our military involvement against Iran. It's a complicated issue. But watching people unload on Tucker, I mean, Mark Levin and Ari Fleischer and others are First of all, I hate it because I really respect and admire and like Mark Levin. It feels like it's gotten personal between Tucker and Mark. And let me share with you what Tucker's belief is. You know, I borrowed a page from Tucker in talking about Russia and Ukraine. And Tucker has asked for years a pretty simple question. Do we want to go to war with Russia or not? You want to go to war with Russia? You want our boys to go fight Russia because we're siding with Vladimir Zelensky and Ukraine? And it sounds like Tucker has the same sort of default position about Israel and Iran. Here he was, courtesy of the war room with Steve Bannon yesterday.
SPEAKER 10 :
I actually really love Trump. I think he's a deeply humane, kind person. And I am saying this because I'm really afraid that my country's going to be further weakened by this. I think we're going to see the end of American empire, obviously. Other nations would like to see that, and this is a perfect way to scuttle the USS America on the shoals of Iran. But it's also going to end, I believe, Trump's presidency and effectively end it. And so that's why I'm saying this. What do you mean by that? That's coming from you. Look, I knew Bush. I knew George W. Bush. We had family connections to Bush. I knew Bush. Personally, I still see Bush sometimes. And, you know, of course, he hates me. And he does because I criticized him on Iraq. And that war is the sum total from historical perspective of his administration. But I knew him. And he had all kinds of plans for the things that he wanted to do. Domestically. domestically to improve the country and you may agree or disagree but like in his mind he wasn't just about the invasion of Iraq in March of 2000 he was going to redo social security he was going to take care of the entitlements issue and he really thought it was going to work and you could laugh at that or whatever but the point is the second you get enmeshed in a real war not a fake let's go bomb the villagers and declare success we don't even have a good track record like why are the Houthis still there I mean, there's a whole other question, which is how prepared is the U.S. military for a real conflict? And the answer is totally unprepared. Scary unprepared. I don't think people understand that. But anyway, the only reason I'm saying any of this is because I really, really care.
SPEAKER 03 :
Now, look, I don't think anything we just heard from Tucker Carlson is worthy of the kind of vicious personal attacks that people are mounting against him right now in fact i think he speaks to millions of people i believe a whole bunch of people think tucker carlson makes a lot of sense And I say this as a staunch ally of Israel. I want Israel to survive. I am absolutely terrified at the prospect of Iran getting their hands on a nuke. They will wipe Israel off the map. When somebody tells you what they're going to do, believe them. And that's what Iran wants to do.
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There was plenty of discussion leading up to this past weekend's military parade in Washington, D.C. In the end, it was a great celebration of our men and women in uniform.
SPEAKER 03 :
I can't think of a better time considering the world's unrest than a military parade to celebrate the 250th anniversary of the U.S. Army. It was magnificent, and it was even better than expected. In fact, even the loonies over on MSNBC were sort of surprised. Well, it doesn't appear to have been all about Donald Trump. It looked like it was a, I don't know, celebration of the military and the army. It was also supposed to rain. You know, remember when Tim Walz, the other day, before this catastrophe hit his state, said he's never prayed for rain more than he was praying for rain to ruin the military parade, which is a nasty, vicious, hateful thing for him to say. A guy who says a lot of nasty, vicious, hateful things. Now all of a sudden he wants everybody to respect others' humanity. Huh. Well, maybe he's going to have a change of heart and tone down his rhetoric. Trump joked about the weather forecast because, as President Trump himself observed, the weatherman predicted a 100% chance for rain.
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Last night was a tremendous success with a fantastic audience. It was supposed to rain. They gave it a 100% chance of rain, and it didn't rain at all. It was beautiful. And so I asked if they gave it 100% chance, right? 100% it was going to rain like crazy, and it didn't rain at all. How did they predict 100 years out and 50 years out or 200 years out? They didn't do too well, the weather people, last night, but it was beautiful.
SPEAKER 03 :
He asks a good question. They're going to tell us what the weather is going to be like 50 years from now, 100 years from now, all the global warming climate change crazies? They don't know. But what we do know and what we should know is to honor and respect our military, to have patriotism and a celebration for the 250th anniversary of the U.S. Army victory. is a good thing. And as President Trump pointed out Saturday, every other country celebrates their armed forces. Why shouldn't we?
SPEAKER 08 :
Thank you to Vice President Vance. Thank you to our wonderful First Lady. And above all, thank you to the greatest, fiercest, and bravest fighting force ever to stride the face of this earth, the United States Army. Thank you very much. Because the army keeps us free. You make us strong. And tonight, you have made all Americans very proud. They're watching from all over the world, actually. Made them all very proud. Every other country celebrates their victories. It's about time America did too. That's what we're doing tonight. And watching this magnificent display, our souls are filled with gratitude for every generation of warriors who have worn the uniform all the way back to the very beginning. So to every veteran across our land and right here in our nation's capital, including six recipients of the Congressional Medal of Honor, we love you, we honor you, and we salute your noble service to our flag and to our country. As we celebrate tonight, we also think of the hundreds of thousands of Army soldiers who have made the supreme sacrifice for our nation and selflessly laid down their lives in every war, from the Revolution to the War on Terror. To the Gold Star families with us today, the courage of your heroes is the bedrock on which our entire nation stands. We thank you.
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This is just amazing. I was watching this thing all day, and I thought, my gosh. For anybody to criticize this, you've got to be looking for reasons to find fault with the Trump administration. Rand Paul was allegedly uninvited from the White House picnic. I don't know what that's all about. I don't care. I'm sure Senator Rand Paul can get over it. But evidently he's miffed at the Trump administration. Maybe that's why he ran to NBC News and complained about this glorious, patriotic, spectacular military parade on Saturday in our nation's capital. Maybe you agree with Senator Paul on this. I always think of Rand Paul, some of these guys, there's good Rand Paul, there's bad Rand Paul. There's a lot of good things he stands for, a lot of good things he represents, and I think a lot of us agree with him on many things. I sure don't agree with him on this.
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Could the parade have that benefit of encouraging people to sign up and enlist?
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You know, I'm all for the president appearing and doing enlistment ceremonies at military bases. I've been with the president at Dover to receive home our dead soldiers. And so those who have been killed in action and to mourn their loss. But I just never liked the idea of the parade because I grew up in the... 70s and 80s. And the only parades I can remember are Soviet parades for the most part or North Korean parades. And the parades I remember from our history were different. You know, everybody remembers that famous scene of the soldier, you know, dipping the girl and kissing the girl in New York in a ticker tape parade. But we were rejoicing the end of war, and we were rejoicing our soldiers coming home. And that absolutely ought to be commemorated and discussed every year, Memorial Day, Veterans Day. But we never glorified weapons so much. And I know he means well. I don't think he means for any of this to be depicted in another fashion. But I'm just not a big fan. And then there is the cost. I mean, we're $2 trillion in the hole. And just an additional cost like this, I'm not for it. Oh, brother.
SPEAKER 09 :
Meanwhile, back in the Middle East, CNN's resident conservative Scott Jennings found himself unable to leave the country as war broke out. He took some time to share his tale.
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I don't want to give anything up that I'm not supposed to ask you, but may I ask you how you got from Israel to Amman, Jordan?
SPEAKER 04 :
Sure. Well, I got up this morning and had arranged for some transportation to take me to the Allenby border gate. which was quite an adventure, I have to tell you. It was a little bit of a chaotic journey to get out of the country, get into Jordan, and get over to Amman. It took me virtually all day to do it. A lot of people are trying to get out because the airspace is closed over Israel. The airport, Ben-Gurion Airport, is closed. So really, the only way to escape is to drive into Jordan. You can't drive into Lebanon. You can't drive into these other places. The only way to get out is to go to Jordan and get over to Amman, and that's what I'm trying to do. It was a little bit of a chaotic experience, but we did make it today.
SPEAKER 03 :
That's the understatement of the week. I know your family. I've just been praying for you. I've just been following everything you're doing on social media and just praying for you and making sure that you get out of there safely because it is obviously a very, very challenging time. Let me get your wisdom before we let you go about the role that the United States should play, must play. You know the debate that's raging. I'm sure you've seen the pot shots taken between Mark Levin and Tucker Carlson. Tucker is big. We can't let them fight it out. This is their war. What do you think about the role of the United States and what we should be doing? Because I'm sure you're hearing the same pushback I'm hearing from my audience. A lot of people are saying, we don't want boots on the ground. We don't want to be really an integral part of this war. But in many ways, Scott, I think we have to be, don't we?
SPEAKER 04 :
Well, we don't have to put boots on the ground. I mean, my understanding is the principal nuclear enrichment facility is so far underground, we apparently are the only people with the bunker buster bomb big enough to get to it. And we should either use it or somehow allow Israel to use it. That's my opinion. And I'm following the president's lead. He has said that America first foreign policy will not allow for Iran to have a nuclear weapon. And I think he's exactly right because they'll use it. I mean, they will use it immediately. And it's bad for us. It's bad for Israel. It's bad for the world. So how do you stop them from using it? Well, you destroy it. Or you have some negotiation. But negotiation here, if you leave this regime in charge, I'm just telling you, they're not going to stop. They can say they will, but you can't trust these folks any farther than you can throw them. And my view is not only the nuclear weapon is a problem, but look what they've done. I mean, they've killed Americans, okay? This regime has killed Americans. They plot to kill Americans. They plot to fund and unleash terrorism against Israel and America's interests around the world. I don't have any reason to believe they're going to change their stripes after a negotiation. So I think when you've got the head of the octopus in the position we've got it in, We should just finish the job or let Israel or help Israel finish the job. And when we do, Donald Trump, the president of the United States, will deserve the Nobel Peace Prize. They should have already given it to him for the Abraham Accords. finish the job on Iran, and he'll deserve it again because he'll have made the world a safer and better place. The fight for Western civilization is happening now. The president, Donald Trump, is the leader in that fight, and I think beating Iran right now and cutting off the head of this octopus, eliminating radical Islamic terrorism, and saving the free world, it's on his shoulders, and he has the power to do it, and I believe that he will.
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SPEAKER 09 :
This is the Mike Gallagher Show Week in Review podcast. I'm Eric Hansen. An alleged assassin gunned down two Democratic lawmakers in Minnesota after they sided with Republicans on benefits for illegals. Now, it would be easy to assign blame to one party or another, but sometimes evil is just evil.
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This crazed killer with some kind of a grudge against Democrats. allegedly donned a police uniform and a creepy latex mask. If you haven't seen the surveillance pictures of this guy, it's something right out of a horror movie. He shot one Minnesota state lawmaker to death, killed her husband, shot the family dog. The poor dog reportedly had to be put down by the grieving orphaned children of... this poor former Democrat House Speaker Melissa Hortman. And nothing about this makes sense. This story is so bizarre. Of course, you know that by now the guy's name is Vance Belter, some kind of weird former pastor, owned a security company, worked for a funeral home. Had a wife and five kids and a big, beautiful home, but had a couple of roommates, including the Papa John's delivery guy who's sitting on the stoop reading Vance Belter's text messages. And I'm just looking right now. At the charging document from the state of Minneapolis, Hennepin County, this makes no sense. He's been charged not with first-degree murder, but second-degree murder with intent not premeditated. Not premeditated? How's he not charged with first-degree murder? I'm no lawyer, obviously. But does that make sense? Does it make sense that the pizza guy is on the stoop, insisting the guy is a Trump supporter? And what difference does it make if he's a Trump supporter? What difference does it make if he was a Tim Walz appointee? I was disgusted over the weekend in watching social media start out, oh, he's a Trump, he's a Tim Walz appointee. Oh, look at that, he's one of them. Then apparently the manifesto is released. He's targeting nobody but Democrats and abortion providers, abortion clinics. And according to the roommate, he's a Trump supporter. Who cares? And, you know, I'm just going to say this, and I'm going to turn it over to you, because if you think I've got the wrong take on this, I don't mind... welcoming dissent on how I feel. When the crazed, maniacal, would-be killer of all the Republican congressmen he could kill, who nearly killed Steve Scalise when he shot him, and tried to kill the Republicans on that baseball field, when it was revealed he was a Bernie Sanders supporter, I don't remember any of us blaming Bernie Sanders. I don't remember any of us blaming Democrats. There is no purpose, there is nothing productive of trying to blame one side or the other. And I think we've got to knock it off. I really do. And I would urge our side to do the same thing. Look, I can't stand Tim Walz. I think the guy is a disaster. And he likely was a big contributing factor to Kamala losing the election. So I've got nothing good to say about him. And yes, it seems very notable that Tim Walz is now calling for peace and love and unity after he went and said you need to go out and bully the blank out of Donald Trump. We all got to be bullies if you don't like Donald Trump, and we got to be meaner. Well, adults in the room can recognize Tim Walz didn't mean go out and kill people you disagree with.
SPEAKER 09 :
With everything happening in the Middle East, this week seemed like a good time to check in with our friend Yael Eckstein from the International Fellowship of Christians and Jews.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yael Eckstein is our friend from the International Fellowship of Christians and Jews. Yael, it's great to have you back on the Mike Gallagher Show. You know how much I... So appreciate what the IFCJ has been doing because I got to believe now with people actually being killed and injured by these missiles raining down upon Israel, you guys are, you know, stepping up and are busier than ever.
SPEAKER 02 :
Thank you so much, Mike, and thank you for always standing with Israel and for American values. It's something we see and recognize and appreciate so much for you and everyone like you and so many of your listeners. Here in Israel, we are facing a war of historic proportions. You can compare it to 1948 and 1967. This is a war for our survival. The missiles that are launched into Israel by Iran are not like the missiles that were launched by Hezbollah or Hamas. These are over 3,000-pound missiles, ballistic missiles, that are targeting both big city centers like Tel Aviv and Haifa and Jerusalem, but also small towns. I live near Haifa, but in a small suburb. And last night, my house shook as a rocket landed just a few blocks away. So Yes, now more than ever, the International Fellowship of Christians and Jews is on the ground. We are the humanitarian first responders. We come equipped with food and clothing and the basics for peoples who in a moment had their homes destroyed and have nowhere to turn.
SPEAKER 03 :
If you want to see the work and support the incredible mission of the International Fellowship of Christians and Jews. I saw, in fact, last night I was watching The Five on Fox News, and Trey Yinkst was doing live reporting. And all of a sudden, you know, he's got his helmet on. He's on the balcony of a hotel. The missiles are flying overhead. He's in Tel Aviv. And there was this massive explosion that you could tell rocked the hotel he was in. And we were seeing that live and in real time. Can you talk, you know, you took me and I visited the hostage square in Tel Aviv. And we went all over the country. I went to the Nova Music Festival site and just watched. Every time I get to go to Israel, it changes my life, and certainly for the better. Can you talk about how jarring it is for missiles to be raining down on cities like Tel Aviv?
SPEAKER 02 :
Well, Mike, the American embassy building was hit. Those very, very strong windows were blown out of the building in a second. Tel Aviv is the center of Israel, just as Jerusalem is and Haifa is in different ways. True. They're places where people gather, where they have resilience, where we've known terror and we've been able to get up and recuperate immediately. And we will do that from these attacks as well. But let me tell you about the attack in Bat Yam, where there were many children killed, families killed. We're seeing images from that attack on the screen. This is one of the poorest neighborhoods in And so the fellowship went and brought in elderly a food box and she wasn't evacuated, but her windows are all they're all cracked and she is traumatized from being in the near vicinity of one of these attacks that her whole home shook. And she's all alone. And when the International Fellowship of Christians and Jews comes and says, this is from Christians in America who love you, who are praying for you, who are providing for you, the tears that came out of her eyes for the first time in so long were actually tears of joy. joy, and hope because the people of Israel right now feel so alone. We're fighting a war. That's a war for all people who value life, who look at life as sacred, who, who hold dear to these Judeo-Christian values. Iran, as we know, has been exporting terror that is targeting America, that is targeting Israel, that's targeting American interests. And this is, uh, If Iran no longer is a threat and they're no longer exporting Islamic terror throughout the Middle East and throughout the West, it will be a new day of hope for all of us, for America and Israel alike. Because so much of the terror that America has been experiencing and the threats that your government and your heroic army have been keeping from getting to American shores are coming from Iran. That if Iranian... extremists who want to see the whole world turn into Islamic extremists, who want to see the downfall of the West and Judeo-Christian values, if that's no longer a threat, the future for American children and grandchildren will be one of hope like you can never imagine.
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Former Speaker of the House Newt Gingrich also dropped by the show this week to share sage words on the future of the Middle East.
SPEAKER 03 :
I feel that a lot of people sort of just oversimplify it and say, look, we don't want to be involved in a war against Russia, and we shouldn't be involved in a war against Iran. It's not that simple, is it?
SPEAKER 01 :
Well, look, it's pretty understandable, though. You live a normal life. You take your kids to soccer or baseball. Why can't things be peaceful? And unfortunately, there are moments in time when they can't be. I just did a newsletter at Gingrich 360 pointing out, you know, that the chant about America being the great Satan starts in 1978. The chant about death to America starts in 1979. The occupation illegally of our embassy, keeping 52 American diplomats hostage for 444 days, is in 1979. The killing of the Marines by Iranian proxies in 1983, 251 Marines are killed. You go back year after year after year, and now we came to a point where I believe the Israelis concluded that Iran was very close to getting a nuclear weapon, and that imagine the missiles you're seeing hitting Tel Aviv that had nuclear warheads. And you can understand why, from the Israeli standpoint, totally wiping out the Iranian nuclear program is literally a matter of life and death. And frankly, I much prefer to break the regime. I think our goal should be to drive the mullahs out of power and to allow the Iranian people to govern themselves.
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Incidentally, I encourage everybody to subscribe to Newt's newsletter, Gingrich360.com. It's Gingrich360.com. You'll be a little bit smarter every time you read it. Newt, this is the 10-year anniversary of the time that President Trump came down that golden escalator and announced he was going to run for president. We played a clip earlier of the Jon Stewart's and the Rachel Maddow's of the world, who 10 years ago were just laughing and mocking and, oh, he's a vain billionaire. This is a vanity project. And, of course, I don't think they're quite laughing to the same degree as they were 10 years ago. I can't wait to read Trump's triumph, America's greatest comeback. Look, you're a student of history. You're a student of politics. There has never been the political story before. of Donald Trump and particularly the biggest comeback in American history. Is there anybody who even comes close by comparison?
SPEAKER 01 :
No, I think, look, the two... Greatest American presidents are George Washington, who created the country, and Abraham Lincoln, who carried us through a civil war. But at the rate Trump is going, I fully believe that Trump will probably be the third most important president in American history. What he's doing is so consequential. whether passing the big, beautiful bill, which will dramatically improve our economy, make things more affordable, provide for a first step towards balancing the budget, or it is navigating international relations or controlling the border. I mean, you look again and again and Trump is making a difference. And I think the whole point of my book, which is both Trump's triumph and America's greatest comeback, is that in a sense, the MAGA movement met the man. It was a combination of the two. It's the American people who really, really want to change. And it's President Trump who is capable of mobilizing them, arousing them and then leading the change.
SPEAKER 09 :
And finally, there's a scary mayor's race shaping up in New York City. You won't believe the choice facing the Big Apple.
SPEAKER 03 :
You ought to see what they're going through in New York. It is the worst possible scenario for New Yorkers who want, like, normal leadership. This is coming down... This is going to come down to, evidently, this lunatic, far-left, police-hating... radical socialist Marxist nutjob named Zoran Mamdani. Zoran Mamdani is the progressives' delight. He's their ecstasy candidate. It's as good as it gets. This guy is makes Jane Fonda look like Maggie Thatcher. This guy is so far left, and it looks like it's going to come down to, to be the next mayor, Zoran Mamdani or Andrew Cuomo. That's going to be New Yorkers' choice. Now look, whatever you think of Andrew Cuomo, it's got to be Cuomo. What are they going to do in New York if they stop funding the NYPD, which is what this guy wants to do? He's a defund-the-police nutcase. I don't think Cuomo wants to defund the police. In fact, Cuomo's trying to reinvent himself as being a tough-on-crime guy. We'll get into this a little bit later. The New York Times... did a brutal editorial that is a real fascinating snapshot into how even the New York Times is turning against progressive policies. I mean, the Times editorial painted a grim picture of the condition of New York City. Reflecting the way a lot of New Yorkers feel, New York is becoming, in many ways, a cesspool. And it's because of failed leadership. And they blame, the New York Times, incidentally, blames Bill de Blasio, that his policies set New York back many, many years. In fact, the New York Times praises Bloomberg's mayoralty. Now, Bloomberg, of course, a Republican. But it's just a brutal takedown of this horrific choice that New Yorkers are going to have to make. And, you know, Eric Adams is still in there, but he's going to have to run as an independent because the Democrats have totally rejected him. But, you know, Cuomo, this is a guy who, remember, resigned in disgrace. He was accused of inappropriately touching or harassing at least 11 women. So and the New York Times at the time that they called for his resignation said that his behavior was part of a larger pattern of bullying people. Well, I guess if it's between the bully and the guy accused of some untoward things or a defund the police guy, I mean, what choice do you make?
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And that wraps up the Mike Gallagher Show Week in Review podcast for Friday, June 20th, 2025. I'm Eric Hansen. Be sure to subscribe to all of the podcasts and follow us on Spotify, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. And if you like the show, be sure to share it with a friend. We'll see you back here next week on the Mike Gallagher Show Week in Review podcast.
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Happy Thursday. Rush to Reason, Denver's Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560. Dr. Kelly Victory joining us in this hour. Steve House as well. I'll start with you, Dr. Kelly. How are you today?
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I'm doing great. Thanks, as always, for having me.
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Always a joy. Steve House, welcome as well. Hey, glad to be here, John. Appreciate you guys. All right, let's start with this. I promoted this and sent you guys some info on this, and we'll dovetail into some of the other things that are happening along these lines as well. But 50 states as well as the District of Columbia and U.S. territories approved a $7.4 billion settlement with Purdue Pharma, maker of OxyContin, over the company's improper marketing of opioids. So, Dr. Kelly, I'll start with you. And $7.4 billion is a lot of money, or is it in this case?
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It actually pales in comparison to the amount they made in profits. They knew darn well that they were ultimately going to get hit with lawsuits on this and that they would likely lose in the end. And frankly, they didn't care because the amount they're paying in this penalty in this settlement is sofa change to them. They fraudulently marketed these drugs. saying that they were not addictive, that they did not cause the health issues that they did. They marketed it that way to physicians, and it was a total cover-up. It was fraudulent. It was corrupt. They knew they would likely get sued for it, and they weighed the difference between the profits they would make on these drugs and what they would ultimately pay in a legal settlement, and this is what they've done.
SPEAKER 11 :
And I also see in my notes anyways, and Dr. Kelly, you probably know more about this than I do, and I'll go to Steve in a moment, but this payout, actually, if this is finalized, payouts are over the next 15 years as well. This isn't a one-time payment, right?
SPEAKER 04 :
Correct. I don't know the details exactly of how it was spread out, but yes, it happens over a period of 15 years. And what it is is just callous disregard on the part of this pharmaceutical company for the number of lives that were lost, hundreds of thousands of people who died of opiate-related issues. And this was really done thoughtfully. They did it part and parcel with the electronic medical records, for example. that added a place where doctors were obligated to put in you know with the patient's pain scale how much pain people were having it was all with the intention of motivating doctors to prescribe more and more opiates uh so much to the point where uh you didn't get reimbursed by the insurance companies if you didn't adequately treat the patient's pain Even if you saved their lives, you may have saved the guy's life, but if he said he didn't get adequate pain medication, you didn't get the reimbursement from the insurance company. And it was all bought and paid for by these pharmaceutical companies that were pushing, pushing, pushing opiates.
SPEAKER 11 :
Wow. Steve, I know this, again, is it racking the world? I wouldn't go as far as to say that. Some of these things have been going through the court system now for a number of years, and everything Kelly said, absolutely spot on. I guess at the end of the day, and maybe you know more about this than I do, what do some of the people that have been ill-affected by this end up getting, or is it a pittance when it's all said and done?
SPEAKER 14 :
No, I'm sure it's not much. I mean, compared to, if you think about who loses when someone gets addicted to opioids, right? So you have the person, their family, the life insurance companies. I mean, how many claims were paid significantly earlier because opioid addicts, you know, overdosed and died? You know, how many people lost, you know, parents and grandparents? How many people lost workers and the communities that lost people to this I mean, I worked on an opioid task force for a while. It's just really, really ugly, John. I mean, if you think about it, if 20,000 extra people died a year and, you know, the average, if you had just $10,000 in life insurance, you're talking about a couple of hundred million dollars a year in life insurance paid out. $7.4 billion doesn't take very long to get there. And it's really just a slap on the wrist. And I think this is the typical thing we see with pharma and when they get hammered over. I mean, how much should the COVID vaccine award be, except for we'll never see it as an example.
SPEAKER 11 :
And, of course, Dr. Kelly, all the headlines are, you know, a historic and national settlement. Well, until you start reading, you know, again, to your point, some of the fine print and how does this actually get down to the people that were affected, and I haven't gotten that far. I'm sure I will at some point. And I'm not sure that all of, I mean, it says if approved. So this isn't a done deal yet at this point in time. So depending upon how all that is structured, you know, to Steve's point, Dr. Kelly, you know, there may not be very much going to the victims at all when it's all said and done.
SPEAKER 04 :
Correct. And the bottom line is these settlements need to be to the amounts that are going to discourage a pharmaceutical company from doing it in the future. And this simply isn't, unfortunately. Not only is it not going to adequately compensate the victims, but the reality is it's doing nothing to dissuade this from happening in the future. I have a Labrador retriever that if I told her not to do something, You know, she looks at what she wants to do. She looks at me. She looks and she's weighing. Is it going to be worth it? Is going swimming in that pond going to be worth it for the trouble I'm going to get in? And that's how these pharmaceutical companies say they're like, look, we yeah, we're going to get smacked with a big fine. But given the billions and billions and billions of dollars we're going to make in profits, who cares?
SPEAKER 11 :
And then the other question, too, that I've got is because the states have all agreed to this and the territories and so on, is this something that even, Dr. Kelly, goes back to the individuals that have been affected? Or does this go to some sort of a state fund that will help with addiction and things along those lines? In other words, is it really even, at the end of the day, going to the victims that were affected by this?
SPEAKER 04 :
I don't know the details of it, John, and it may be on a state-by-state basis. I think you are probably correct that for many of the states, it's going to go into some slush fund for opioid addiction treatment. So it's going to be treating people, current victims or current addicts, but it perhaps may do nothing for the people who were harmed years ago. I don't know.
SPEAKER 11 :
Steve, have you heard anything along those lines? And could I be, you know, on the right track? I don't want to be, by the way, but could I be?
SPEAKER 14 :
Well, you may be, John, because what happens with this settlement with Purdue Pharma is that in all probability that states are settling it because they're recovering money they spent from Medicaid. I don't think it actually goes to victims, certainly not very much. I think this is all about the states suing to get a recovery on Medicaid, not to help victims get money reimbursed to them. Okay, and again, go ahead.
SPEAKER 04 :
One other piece I think that's just interesting here, Callie Means, who is the brother of the current nominee for Surgeon General Casey Means, and Callie Means is also a special federal employee right now advising both Robert Kennedy Jr. and President Trump with regard to things related to HHS. He's way out of his league. He came from big pharma, just like Susie Wiles, by the way. And Callie Means has in the past bragged on his social media posts about how he was part of the cover up with the Purdue, you know, pharmaceuticals and Mackler family, that he was part of drafting the communication, how they would convince doctors that these things were not addictive, how they would convince people that. that the opioids were not as dangerous as they were. And I find it very, very concerning that this guy is now in a position of power inside the White House advising Bobby Kennedy and President Trump when he was involved with this in the past.
SPEAKER 11 :
I did read, finally, I dug enough here. And I tried to do this before, you know, coming on air. And sometimes it just, you know, searches and so on just don't come up right. And sometimes you think about how to word something, you know, differently when you get a little further along and or you just read enough. And so, Steve, I did read. Did just figure out ABC News. There's an article on there. It's abcnews.go.com. The $7.4 billion will support opioid addiction treatment prevention and recovery programs over the next 15 years. So, yes, indeed, it's going to the states, not individual victims and families.
SPEAKER 14 :
That's right. That's right. That's why all the states sued. I mean, individuals may have lawsuits, you know, that they can get against them. I mean, this may be a precedent setter, right? I mean, they're basically folding Purdue Pharma. Right. Well, now you could have victims and their families. sue them the same way, which, you know, I mean, they're not going to get $7.4 billion, but that's also no panacea. I mean, it could take forever for them to get through a lawsuit when you have a bunch of people. A class action lawsuit for victims might be the best strategy.
SPEAKER 11 :
And again, part of this, keep in mind, too, is there's a bankruptcy going on. So given that fact, Steve, will that even, you know, could a class action lawsuit in a bankruptcy end of things even, you know, would that even proceed is my question. I don't have no idea.
SPEAKER 14 :
Yeah, that's right.
SPEAKER 11 :
It's
SPEAKER 14 :
about getting pennies on the dollar, if anything, $7.4 billion. Again, I mean, if you look at the amount of profit they made, maybe they're still making under the banner of a different name. There's just no way that that's anywhere near adequate, and it is a fraction of what it should have been. Yep. All right, great.
SPEAKER 04 :
Go ahead, Kelly. Just one last thing. To my point, if anyone remembers the Vioxx lawsuit, Vioxx was an anti-inflammatory drug that was known by the manufacturer, by Merck, to increase the risk of cardiovascular issues, strokes and heart attacks. They left the drug on the market, despite the fact that they had overwhelming evidence that it was causing these problems, knowing that they would get sued, and they ultimately voluntarily removed the drug from the market. They settled something in the range of 60,000 individual claims, adding up to... nearly $5 billion in payments, but that $5 billion was a drop in the bucket compared to the profits that they made during all those years that they let people suffer the cardiac risks from their drug.
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This is Rush to Reason. All right, we are back again. Rush to Reason, Debra's Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560. Dr. Kelly Victory with us, as well as Steve House. And I don't want to belabor this topic forever, Dr. Kelly, but I think this whole Oxy thing is just, to me, it's mind-boggling. How a company could go that long, make the amount of profits that they did, have all of the... you know, sales aspects of things, to your point earlier going on, and really, in a lot of ways, prey, I guess you could say, on people make, you know, they knew how addictive it was, and so on. And again, I, I have, you know, mixed emotions on some of this stuff. I mean, where is their personal responsibility when it comes to You know, taking drugs and so on. And on the same token, things can get very addictive. It's different for different people. I get all of that. But you got to look at this and think, good grief, how did they get by doing this for as long as they did? Because it wasn't just a two or three year stint. They did this for a long time.
SPEAKER 04 :
No, absolutely. And I have no love lost for the pharmaceutical industry. And I agree with you that personal responsibility absolutely plays in. But the pharmaceutical industry at large is morally bankrupt. They will do anything for profits. This was a well-coordinated, corrupt, fraudulent sales pitch. As I said, they had entire teams set aside to come up with the communication strategy and how they would convince doctors to do this, how they'd convince patients. They worked hand in hand, as I said, with the electronic medical records and with insurers to make sure that capturing the information about the pain scale was there. It became what we called the fifth vital sign. It used to be blood pressure, temperature, pulse, respirations. you know, and oxygen saturation, and then all of a sudden there was this, you know, the new one, which is, you know, on a scale of 1 to 10, what's your pain, regardless of what you went in with. People went in with influenza, you know, people go in with something and say, well, what's your pain scale? And so they did this in a concerted way that I think is absolutely evil.
SPEAKER 11 :
Well, I think the other thing, too, and Steve, they also came out initially. This I did read before today where they also claimed this was not an addictive substance. There was very low risk of abuse, if you would. They incorporated, of course, a marketing company that came in and wooed a lot of doctors into prescribing it. They did that with things we've talked about before, you know, the free trips and on and on we go. I mean, Steve, this thing became just a gigantic thing. cash cow for everybody, including the doctors prescribing it.
SPEAKER 14 :
Yeah, if you really think about this, and I know Kelly knows this by heart, but so somebody comes out with a drug that makes you feel good, right? I mean, it takes away your pain. You feel good, right? I mean, Oxycontin makes you feel good. So does Dilaudid and other opioids. Now, the second thing you do is you have some concern about the fact that people might get addicted to it because it does make you feel so good. So what do you do? You get a couple of people to write papers about that say, you know, through lots and lots of research, it's not addictive. You publish it in JAMA, the New England Journal. And then all of a sudden doctors, the same doctors who have the same sort of thing about the COVID vaccines will say, well, you know, I mean, the study says it's actually working and that it's not addictive. So you ride that train. Anybody else who brings something to JAMA, New England Journal or anybody else. They reject a lot of those things as not being, you know, certified, not being peer reviewed, not being double blind. And it turns out you can hang on for a long period of time because doctors love their patients to feel good. And you know what it says right here? You're not addicted. Maybe some individuals are. It's all a very, very well thought out, well executed thing for the pharma guys to get what they want.
SPEAKER 11 :
And as you know, Dr. Kelly, this became something to where, you know, almost 500 people, A thousand people died. I mean, this isn't something where there's just a few hundred that died. This became really an epidemic, if you would, and yet they kept prescribing and prescribing for almost 20 years plus, I want to say, they went through this. And maybe people think it wasn't that long. It was that long, if not longer, Dr. Kelly. All the while, they were making billions of dollars off of this.
SPEAKER 04 :
Absolutely. This was a cash cow for them. And that's why I'm saying that this settlement is a drop in the bucket compared to the profits that they made over all those years, John. This is a nothing for them. And as a result, does not provide a disincentive, as far as I'm concerned, for any pharmaceutical company to do the same thing in the future, to simply, you know, they've got the accountants, they've figured out, you know, how much are we likely to have to pay in a settlement? even if we know that this drug is harmful, and compare that to the profits we'll make for as long as we're able to ride this train.
SPEAKER 11 :
Yeah. And then, of course, the other thing I believe happened, and this is where some of the accusations are flying around that, you know, they they, you know, Purdue and the Sackler who owned Purdue, you know, the family, actually, even though they were doing a lot of philanthropy, a lot of those organizations is where a lot of the money was, quote unquote, laundered to the tune of, you know, billions of dollars, by the way. So that money just got funneled over, which means now even with this settlement, a lot of that money, by the way, for those of you listening will be will be protected. In other words, at the end of the day, Dr. Kelly and Steve, and start with you, Dr. Kelly, the family won't be hurting when this is all said and done.
SPEAKER 04 :
Of course not. In the same way that if there ever is any accountability, and I doubt there will be with regard to the damage done from these mRNA genetic therapies that were given to everybody for COVID, the reality is that it'll be a drop in the bucket compared to the amount that was made in profits.
SPEAKER 11 :
right and steve again you know these organizations and again not not faulting anybody it is what it is i mean we we have laws you know they use those laws in accordance to what they want to get done and at the end of the day they hide that hide isn't the right word they funnel that money into things where they can have it protected so that if something goes haywire goes sideways they at the end of the day still come out smelling like a rose like like folks that have worked at enron and other places and and And again, I'm not trying to be critical. It just is what it is. I mean, these are the things that those sorts of individuals do. Like it or not, they get by with it.
SPEAKER 14 :
Well, yeah, I mean, there's a couple quick things to think about. One of them is a car example, actually. The first thing to think about, though, is there's like 85% more lawyers today than there was per capita, you know, 20 years ago. And lawyers are used not only to litigate and defend in court, they're also used to stall, you know, so that, you know, Purdue Pharma can stall a long time before they have to pay it. So they can either, you know, get out of business, change their business, go bankrupt, save their money, do something else. So there's that thing. The car example is relevant only because of the scale of the profit. Think about the Corvair, right? Way back when there was a Corvair. A few people, you know, roll it over. They die from it. You know, they decide basically to take the car off the market. They pay some settlements. But the settlements they pay are relative to, you know, a small number of lives. But the real issue is the amount of profits you make made on a car. It's product safety. I made a product. I'm liable for it. But the profit level you made on that car versus the profit level they make on opioids is the scale is so dramatically different, yet at the same time, it's still a human life, and what's the value of a human life?
SPEAKER 11 :
Well, and you just brought up something, too, that I don't think most people think about, which I hadn't really even thought about. Let's say, for example, you're a drug company, and you've got the ability to, let's use a round number. You somehow or another, Steve, could tuck away, I don't know, we'll use a round number. $50 billion, and you've got that tucked away. You've got it in trust. You've got it in philanthropy. You've got it in other places. And let's say that you're able to make even just a 5% return on that $50 billion, and you can delay an outcome like this, this $7.4 billion outcome. Let's say you can delay that a decade. Because, by the way, I'm not exaggerating when I say that, Steve. You could probably delay it a decade. How much interest did you make on that $50 billion during that decade? Well, probably no less than $50 billion, right?
SPEAKER 14 :
You probably made like $100 billion in interest if you invested. And that's the point of having lawyers slow things down. It's like Bill Gates committing to donate $400 million to something. What he really is doing is setting aside $400 million and giving him the 10% interest he earns on it every year over 10 years. He hasn't spent any of his original... He's getting more than 10% in his amounts going up. The issue is exactly what you're talking about. They delay, delay, delay. They end up paying a number. There's an acceptable loss. I sat in a room listening to a group of company execs who are CMOs, chief medical officers, say, you know what? We don't want to stop heart attacks from killing people 52% of the time as the first symptom because we would have to pay a lot of medical costs if they survived the heart attack. That's just reality and the money versus life scenario, and you're 100% right about earning interest to pay the fine.
SPEAKER 11 :
Yep. So at the end of the day, Dr. Kelly, while it may look like this is a huge settlement, granted the company is bankrupt, and where will the money come from? Well, as you know, there's money probably set aside out of the bankruptcy to handle this, and all the while that money is making money. So while this might seem really detrimental to this particular company and the family, honestly, I hate to say this, Dr. Kelly, it's not.
SPEAKER 04 :
No, it absolutely is. And another thing I feel obligated to mention as a physician is the component that when you have a pharmaceutical company and this concerted effort to convince doctors as well as patients, but doctors specifically, that something is not dangerous. and it's helpful. What it does is it encourages the doctors to write for it more. Now, if I'm a surgeon and I'm doing surgery on people all day long, the best way for me to not get calls in the middle of the night for patients is to make sure that they're not uncomfortable. So rather than giving it, the reality is that most surgeries, and I've had a lot of them myself, so I don't just wield the scalpel. I've been on the receiving end. Most surgeries, you need pain medication, narcotic pain medication, for somewhere between five to seven days at most. Even the biggest surgeries, abdominal surgeries, you don't need narcotics for more than five to seven days, which means you should be getting a prescription for somewhere between 15 to 24 pills or something. But I guarantee every time I've had a surgery, you know, orthopedic surgeries, whatever it is, I walk out of there with a prescription for 60 vitamin tablets. I have an entire – my God. I mean, I shouldn't say this out loud, but my medicine cabinet, I've got – the street value of this – because I only take it for maybe three to four days, and then I transition over to ibuprofen and Tylenol, and that's what people should be doing. But when you give a patient 60 tablets of Vicodin, you are tacitly saying – It's okay to take this. Go ahead and take it. And that is how people end up addicted. If you take opiates, I don't care, Oxycontin, Dilaudid, fentanyl, if you take any of it by prescription for three to seven days, you're not going to get addicted to it. You get addicted to it when you take it for a prolonged period of time.
SPEAKER 11 :
Well, and the reason why I wanted to go through all of that, there was a method to my madness and kind of where I was going with the settlement and the money and how it works and so on, because Letitia James, who is New York's attorney general, says that this plan will hold the Sackler family accountable for what she described as their leading role in fueling the epidemic of these addictions and overdoses. And my point with all of this, Dr. Kelly and Steve, I'll start with you, Dr. Kelly, is no, it won't.
SPEAKER 04 :
Any more than it would be that a fine like that would impact Elon Musk. No, it won't. No, it won't. Trust me, this is a sofa change to them.
SPEAKER 11 :
This is a lot of rhetoric coming out of Letitia James, but at the end of the day, Steve, this isn't changing their life one iota. Not at all.
SPEAKER 14 :
Well, and frankly, if you're an attorney general of the state and you really are not doing this purely for political reasons, you've got to go much deeper than this because of the victims. It's not going to help the victims. It's going to help people who are addicted to opioids going forward because there'll be money to treat them with. But what about all the people that already suffered, who've already gone through it? If you really care, and Leticia James is not on that list of people I believe cares much, she just, you know, basically you would fight for everybody if you cared, but they're not doing that.
SPEAKER 11 :
That's right. So the question I have for you, Dr. Kelly, along these lines, and again, I wasn't going to spend this much time, but this is a great topic, and I think there's a lot of people out there listening that are going to learn something from a lot of the things that we're talking about because you could talk about this in a lot of other areas in big pharma, not just in this particular area. This is sort of a slice of the pie, if you would, Dr. Kelly, when it comes to big pharma. Because the other question I've got is, given all of this and what's happened when it comes to Oxy and pain meds and so on, Does now some of the ill effect of this also now start affecting people that really, in fact, do need some pain relief because of something that they've taken? And how now does that have an impact upon them negatively?
SPEAKER 04 :
Absolutely. Well, now the pendulum has swung the other way. And so now a lot of times doctors are hesitant to write prescriptions for pain medications for people who legitimately need it. Furthermore, there's a stigma for those people. There are certain people who are going to be, unfortunately, on chronic pain medication. We try or I certainly try to suggest other ways to deal with chronic pain medication. whether it's acupuncture or physical therapy or other ways to deal with it, because living the rest of your life on opiates isn't a great course. But there are people, I believe, John, who are suffering because of this, because of the stigma, because of now the hesitancy for doctors to write the prescriptions that patients need and limiting and giving people perhaps inadequate pain control.
SPEAKER 11 :
And that's where, Steve, that's where my fear with a lot of this comes in. It's like, OK, I get it. We need to do something about, you know, these companies, you know, over addictive pills, et cetera. But to Dr. Kelly's point a moment ago, there are legitimate uses for this. And now what we've done is, you know, we're going to take the baby, throw it out with the bathwater. And now those that really do, in fact, need it. You know, what choice do they have now? You know, what type of medication do they use?
SPEAKER 14 :
It's a great question because, quite frankly, when you get older, you know, into your 60s and beyond, I mean, there's a lot of inflammation in your body, a lot of things that cause pain. You know, anti-inflammatories are part of it. Opioids are part of it. I mean, the beginning part of opioid addiction, certainly over the last 20 years, one of the biggest sources of opioid addiction beginnings is a dentist's office because dentist's offices give out 60 pills of Percocet, and that Percocet turns into an opioid addiction. Wow.
SPEAKER 04 :
And the biggest risk here, John, that we've seen, and most opioid deaths, to be clear, are not from prescription opioids. People may have gotten addicted to the prescription, but then when they are cut off. When the doctor says, look, your surgery was two months ago. I'm not giving you any more. They turn to back alley prescriptions, and that's when they get the fentanyl overdose. That's when they die. That's when they buy what they thought was Percocet, and it ended up being laced with fentanyl. They bought what they thought was an oxycodone in the back alley, and it ends up being laced. That's where the opiate deaths are happening. It is very, very uncommon for an opioid – death to occur by a prescription medication. These are people who get addicted on prescriptions, and then they turn to the back streets, they start buying it illegally, they start buying it on the black market, and they get what is tainted. It's unclear what they're actually getting, and that's how most opioid deaths occur.
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And we are back. Rush to Reason, Denver's Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560. Dr. Kelly Victory and Steve House with us as well. Steve, you asked a question yesterday to Kelly and I both, and I did a little bit of research on this, and I know you are researching this as well because I think this is important for everybody listening to understand how the big, beautiful bill and what's going on right now in regards to, you know, that bill, the cuts and so on. And there's a portion of that bill that includes some cuts to Medicaid, which I think there's a lot of confusion on, even to people on the streets, even maybe some people in the admin end of hospitals and so on, in regards to the quote-unquote $800 billion that they want to cut on the Medicaid side. The key is it's really not $800 billion, and it's sort of like this – You know, Purdue settlement a little bit ago. It's not over one year. It's over the course of a decade. And that's the way I look at it. I believe it's about 80 billion a year. And there's those out there saying that if those cuts happen, it will reduce, you know, patient care. It's going to ruin a lot of rural hospitals and so on. What are you hearing on your end?
SPEAKER 14 :
Well, I mean, there are a lot of people who believe that that kind of cut to Medicaid, although if you remember, we've talked about the fact that the health care bill in America is somewhere around five to seven trillion dollars. Eighty billion doesn't seem like a lot relative to that. I think that the bigger factor is, is that. a fair number of the cuts are related to activity based on the patients. So yeah, they're going to take 1.4 million people who are illegal aliens that are covered in states that choose to cover it. And the state's either going to have to cover 10% more of their Medicaid expansion cut from 90% covered by us and our taxes to 80%, or they're going to have to drop the illegal aliens from their Medicaid rules. I don't think it's incumbent on the emerging taxpayer to pay for illegal immigrants to and their health care. They should be paying for it themselves. So that's one thing. The other thing is there's a work requirement, and the issue is if you don't fill out the paperwork, if you don't actually go seek work and fill out the paperwork, you can lose your Medicaid eligibility. Well, they're counting that, a percentage of that, as an absolute cut to Medicaid. Well, it only matters if people don't do what they're supposed to do. So, A, I don't think that it's pure cuts, and B, over a 10-year period, you cannot tell me that people are going to actually leave this alone. I do not believe that. I believe it depends on who the next president is, who the next Congress is. Ten years is a long time. I'm not counting on $800 billion being cut.
SPEAKER 11 :
I'm not either. And, Dr. Kelly, I think this is where even the left is really pushing, promoting. There was an article out today in one of our local liberal publications talking about how this is just going to decimate things here in Colorado. It's going to ruin the workforce. There's a lot of people right now that are much healthier and are helping out the workforce. There's a net population. positive because of what we've done in Medicaid. And I guess, you know, Dr. Kelly, the way I look at it is, you know, the answer probably lies somewhere in the middle of these extremists that say it's going to kill everything and it's going to ruin the workforce. We have a lot more sick people running around, which, by the way, I don't agree with, to the other side where it's, yeah, we're going to cut all of this and we're going to save all this money and we're going to be that much further ahead on the tax bill. I don't know, Dr. Kelly, either extreme. To me, neither one is correct.
SPEAKER 04 :
Well, I agree with that. The liberals are always hollering, however, that the sky is falling and we need more money, money, money, and that money is going to fix everything. I don't think it's going to be anywhere near the size of the cuts that they're predicting, as Steve said. Furthermore, I think the idea that we are spending one penny on illegal aliens and their health care, I think, is preposterous. And it needs to stop. So I don't care at all if people who are in this country illegally lose their benefits.
SPEAKER 11 :
Dr. Kelly, I want to jump in one minute, too, and go along the lines of this, because this is the other thing where I will disagree with the left on, I should say, is I also don't think that able-bodied, willing people, People that should be out working. And I know there's people here in Colorado. I did this the other day. There's there's able bodied working married families that are making seventy five grand a year that are still on Medicaid that I as a taxpayer and supplementing. I have a problem with that as well. Dr. Kelly.
SPEAKER 04 :
There's no question. And this is the reality is people make choices. A lot of these people who are on the federal dole, whether it's for food stamps, SNAP, or in this case, health care, you look at the cars they drive. Look at the bikes they ride. Here in Colorado, they're riding a $2,500 titanium mountain bike, and they're on Medicaid.
SPEAKER 11 :
Or, by the way, they've got faster Internet speed and a whole lot more channels because of cable, etc., than even I do because I'm too cheap to pay for it. But at the end of the day, Dr. Kelly, I can look at all sorts of things that people spend money on that, frankly, the three of us are not.
SPEAKER 04 :
Precisely. And so I think that we need to look into that. But the bottom line for me is that putting more and more and more money into health care, what we call health care, disease care in this country, has proven to be a failed strategy. OK, we've got to put the money into health care, into things that actually make people healthier, make people better, make people less sick. And some of that stuff, believe it or not, is actually free. It's things like returning physical education to the school system so that we could cut down on the vet. But right now, 40 percent of adolescents are overweight or obese. 40%. Think about that. A huge percentage of these kids have prediabetes. Something like reinstituting four-day-a-week physical education in the school system through high school so that kids are getting 45 minutes of physical activity a day would decrease both of those things fundamentally for free. You know, Putting spending more and more and more money on stuff and trying to stamp out disease is not the answer. We've got to focus on a better lunch program, more physical activity, getting more and more schools to go screen free, meaning that they kids either do not have their phones at school at all or that they are locked up in the locker during the entirety of the school day. These are the kinds of things that will make a difference. Getting kids to walk to school again.
SPEAKER 11 :
Steve, this came out of this article I was telling you about a moment ago. Legislation currently under consideration would require adults covered through Medicaid expansion and have incomes 100 to 138 percent of the federal poverty level to pay up to $35 for some health care services. This is a quote coming out of this article. Many of our patients can't afford a $2 copay for their medicines. And Steve, I'm not trying to be heartless here. But I guarantee you these same people that can't afford a two day copay are the very people Kelly was talking about a moment ago that have all of these other amenities, by the way, and or have more coming into their home in regards to entertainment than I, you and Dr. Kelly do on top of that. And I know this firsthand because I have been sort of that mouse on the wall, if you would, or that fly on the wall where I have heard different people that I know for a fact are are on Medicaid and that are receiving Medicaid benefits for everything from having babies to you name it. And yet I also know the last concert they went to, Steve.
SPEAKER 14 :
Yeah. I mean, so first of all, you should eliminate the copay. There's two possibilities. One is get healthier, right? I mean, just flat out get healthier. If you can't afford to take the drugs, get healthier and try to get off of them. Now, there's some people who have problems that are genetic in nature or otherwise can't get off the drugs. get rid of the PBM so there isn't any copay because that part's ridiculous as well. But again, it comes down to choices. I mean, people tell me all the time that, you know, we just need more money, right? We need more money for America to be healthy. We know that's not true. We know it's choices, the choices you're talking about, you know, you know, spending money on the internet, high speed internet, spending money on an upgraded car rather than taking care of your health gives you some temporary satisfaction, but it certainly doesn't help you in the long run. And if you're not willing to make an investment in yourself, why should I do that? Obamacare, they talked about this yesterday with Mazie Hirono and all these other different people in Congress. Well, they believe that everybody deserves affordable health care as a right in this country. I can tell you right now, my health care is not affordable. And it hasn't been affordable since Obamacare went into play because there's no incentive for being healthy. I mean, you can't smoke in your reasonable age and you get some incentive, but that's it. They screwed this up when they put Obamacare in play and made the deductibles high and the premiums high. Nobody has affordable health care in this country right now.
SPEAKER 11 :
Dr. Kelly, it seems to me like this whole conversation we're having about, you know, the big, beautiful bill and you get all these different folks that are out there, including those are even running some of these particular organizations, health care organizations, I mean, hospitals and clinics and so on. It almost seems like and this is what I was thinking this morning as I was reading through some of this. It feels to me like we are definitely on the precipice of having either Medicaid or or medicare as quote-unquote universal health care it's gotten to that expectation now i see it i read it am i wrong no i i fear that you are right uh and people believe it's the panacea they believe it's the answer and it is not
SPEAKER 04 :
true medical freedom first of all you know people talk about medical freedom and autonomy all the time in in dr victory's book medical freedom means being well enough that you don't need them that's right okay being well enough that you don't have to go i hope that the only time you go to the doctor is once a year for your annual physical and other than that you don't call them you don't need them because you are well and a part you know a big part of that unfortunately is about those personal choices which the foods you eat, the activity you get, the sleep you get, how you manage your stress and those sorts of things. Yes, there are many, many people who get dealt a lousy hand, have genetic issues or get cancer for no reason of their own, have other medical problems. Obviously, that's what the system is for. But there's got to be a lot of personal responsibility brought back in. And then we've got to start funding those programs that actually enhance health. Don't just make some pharmaceutical company or doctor or other program more money because they aren't actually delivering health. They're delivering disease care, which is not what we need. I am concerned that they are going to go to some sort of common platform. And you will find that the greatest health care system in the world, which was the United States, is going to fall into line with everybody else where it is mediocre at best. It will also deliver the consummate two tiered system because there will always be people. Look at what happens in the UK. They have nationalized health, Canada, nationalized health. But there are always those people at the top of the pile who can afford their own to buy out. And so you end up with a small group of people getting high quality care and the masses getting mediocre care.
SPEAKER 11 :
Steve, I don't see us being too far away from that right now. You and I and Dr. Kelly have talked about this in the past. You and I talked about this even long before we had Dr. Kelly coming on our program five-plus years ago. So the reality is we are that much – we're half a decade closer to the things that you and I were talking about a half a decade ago when it comes to the things Dr. Kelly just said a moment ago. And I'm sorry to say that some of the things that I see being – You know, being pushed through the big, beautiful bill and some of these cuts that are trying to be made are frankly stoking the fires of the very thing you and I talked about five plus years ago.
SPEAKER 14 :
Yeah, they're absolutely doing that. I think there's almost a two-tier system here in a different way, right? So the two-tiered system in America is the group of people that exercise, that move, that eat reasonably well, that are working, they're balanced in what they're doing. And I want to exempt the people who have genetic, strange and difficult genetic experiences.
SPEAKER 06 :
Absolutely, absolutely.
SPEAKER 14 :
In reality, if you move around, if you do the things you need to do, if you keep yourself healthy, the difference between some guys that are in their 60s and some guys that are in their 60s and their overall health and wellness is dramatic and most of it has to do with how they treated themselves. So the system is really dependent on how you treat yourself. For those who treat themselves well, the system works, except for they're paying extremely high premiums and they shouldn't. For those who don't treat themselves well, the system doesn't work all that well because it's really about drugs, high costs, and medical bankruptcies for so many people.
SPEAKER 11 :
Yeah, it's really sad. This is, by the way, one of those topics I think we should come back to here in the not-too-distant future, and maybe we'll do that once the bill ends up getting passed. I don't think that's going to happen probably until maybe middle to the latter part of July. We'll just see how it goes. But, Dr. Kelly, again, these are things that even before you started joining us five years ago, Steve and I were talking about, and unfortunately we're now closer to it than we've ever been.
SPEAKER 04 :
Exactly. And unfortunately, it has a lot to do with who we have in Congress. These are people who don't have deep understanding of the health care system. It's the same people who passed Obamacare, having zero understanding of how it was going to work. Anybody with half a wit who took the time could have done the calculations on it. In the back of a cocktail napkin, you knew that it was never going to pencil out. But that's not what we have in Congress. We need a lot smarter people and we need Steve in there making these decisions.
SPEAKER 11 :
Dr. Kelly, really quick, I got to interrupt for a moment just because of the training I've had from you and Steve. So from you, Dr. Kelly and Steve, I feel like I am more equipped than a lot of the politicians we have there right now. I'm not in the medical world. I literally am a talk show host, but I have learned so much from you two over the past five plus years. I feel like I'm better equipped to handle some of those decisions than they are, Dr. Kelly.
SPEAKER 04 :
I agree, and our system is entirely broken, John, because I guarantee you whatever bill gets passed is filled with all this additional pork and all this other stuff that has nothing to do with health care. I guarantee you it's all baked in there. It's everybody's special interest. And this is unfortunately how our decisions, our laws, our bills are passed. It's never in the best interest, truly, of the American people. It's always in the best interest of the politicians and the big corporations that benefit from whatever decisions are made.
SPEAKER 11 :
Steve, it's sad that it's that way. And again, this is a topic we definitely will come back to because Dr. Kelly is right. We unfortunately, I say this all the time, one of my biggest complaints, we have policymakers making, you know, we have policymakers that are there making policy in a lot of things, technologically speaking, financially speaking, health related, that frankly, Steve, I hate to say this, they're dumb as rocks and have no idea what they're talking about.
SPEAKER 14 :
Yeah, they're fed a bunch of talking points. I mean, I appreciate Kelly's kind words. I think where we need to go here is we do need informed people. And I think, John, Rush for Congress sounds really good to me. And Kelly and I will both donate and help give you some more health care policy stuff so you can get it done.
SPEAKER 11 :
I think it needs to be you two doing that, not me. I was talking about your wife, not you, man. There we go. There we go. Good one. All right. With that, that's a lighter way to end the hour today. And you guys, I mean, and I mean this sincerely, I really, I have learned so much from both of you that I feel like I not only can talk better on air about all of these things, but I can go to most any dinner party. And if these topics come up, frankly, I know far more about it than most doctors and lawyers do that end up in some of these parties. And that's because of you two that I can do that. So, Dr. Kelly, I'll let you go first. I appreciate you very much.
SPEAKER 04 :
Thanks, as always, for having me, and I look forward to it next time.
SPEAKER 11 :
Thank you very much, Steve. I mean, what I said is because of you, really you, even before Dr. Kelly, that we're here doing what we do today.
SPEAKER 14 :
Well, and I would tell you that your learning is something everyone else should do, too. I mean, there's nothing wrong with investing in your knowledge of your own health and what's going on out there. So I know you have the goods. You have the knowledge. So keep it up, and I love being on the show.
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All right, we are back. Hour number three, Rush to Reason, Denver's Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560. Kevin Flesch with me today. 303-806-8886 is Kevin's number directly if you ever need any legal representation, civil or criminal. One last question, Kevin, on the vehicle side of things. If you've got a gun and it's locked in a vault and there's a four-digit code, whatever, sometimes they take a key, and an officer asks you to unlock it, do you have to?
SPEAKER 08 :
So that's a great question. So if you have a CCW permit and it's in the vehicle and the officer asks you for it, yes, because if you don't, it's in violation and the statute says that you have to give that weapon to the officer during the traffic stop. Okay. If it's in there and you don't have a CCW, then it becomes a question of whether or not it's a valid search. So the question is, why are they asking you to open it up? And that may be a question that you ask the officer. What is the purpose for me opening up this safe? And see what their response is. If it's a safety response, if it's, listen, I want to make sure I have this gun in my possession, while the traffic stop is going on, you most likely have to open it and give that to them. If it's just a search, then you can disregard it and say, no, I'm not willing to do that because that's a consent issue. They would have to get a search warrant to get in there. But they've got to have probable cause, and maybe they think there's something else in there, but they've got to have a reason that's reasonable to a judge.
SPEAKER 14 :
All right, moving over to the house. As we saw from last weekend, there was an imposter that was running around, ended up doing some damage, shot two people, killed two others, and was on a spree, basically, to continue down that path. Why he didn't, nobody knows. We may never know. But reality, Kevin, is the question always comes up. Okay, if someone comes to the door, in this case, he was a pretty good imposter, even wore a mask. I mean, he looked very much like he was actually – A police officer had a Ford Explorer, had the lights on it the whole nine yards. But what's the law? What's the rule when somebody actually comes to the door, starts knocking? In our domicile, in our home, what is it we have to do or not do?
SPEAKER 08 :
So relating to answering a door, you never have to answer your door. You never have the obligation to go to your door and answer it. If you're going to answer the door and you think that there's someone at the door that is going to cause you harm, Then we've got the Castle Doctrine. It's a well-known doctrine that basically says that you can protect yourself in your home for almost any reason. You can't be shooting somebody as they're running out of your house. and shoot them in their front yard, but you certainly have the ability to defend yourself when someone is in your house. So that's the question. If someone is at the threshold of your home and you've opened it up, you really did think that they're an officer, and you realize now that they're not, if you have the ability to do whatever you can to close that door and lock it and make sure that person doesn't come in, you have every right to do that. If that person, I'm assuming in this particular case, he pulls a gun, I'm hoping that... Threatening. Yep. then I'm hoping that you're coming to the door with a gun so that you can defend yourself.
SPEAKER 14 :
Yeah, because the way I've read everything and the way I've, granted, some states are different, but I know here in Colorado, if that particular situation were to happen here and that guy's in the threshold and he's aiming a gun at you and you shoot him, I think you're pretty safe at that point.
SPEAKER 08 :
You are. You are completely safe. And in that situation, you're going to want to call 911. You're going to want to say, I've just been the victim of a home invasion. and I've shot the person, you want to make sure that they have information about who you are, where the person is, and then you wait for the police to get there, because they'll obviously do an investigation to make sure that what you're saying is true.
SPEAKER 14 :
Okay, let's do another scenario, because I'm sure text messages will come in along these lines. Let's say, for example, you've got maybe... a little bit larger property, maybe you live on an acre or two, and all of a sudden, somebody comes up to the door. And there, you know, you've told them, hey, I'm not talking to you, they start to leave. And maybe for whatever reason, you walk outside. And as you're walking outside, all of a sudden, this guy spins around, and maybe there's even a couple of them. And maybe they're brandishing weapons at that point in time. What can you and can you not do legally at that point?
SPEAKER 08 :
Yep, same thing. So you meet like forces. So if it seems, that the forces that they're using are lethal forces, then you're able to respond with lethal force. So remember, you've got to think about six or 12 people that are going to be on a jury making a determination of whether or not you acted reasonably in the situation where you're not inside of your home, then the The standard changes a bit to was this a reasonable response relating to what threat you had performed towards you. In other words, what is the other person that you may shoot at or may cause injury to? What were they doing to cause you to respond in that way? And is that a reasonable response? If the person is driving away, doesn't seem to be a threat any longer, you can't shoot out their back window, you know, that sort of thing.
SPEAKER 14 :
And let's say you're, and some people sleep very heavy, some people sleep very light, but let's say that, you know, you're a heavier sleeper maybe, and all of a sudden you hear a door rattling, screen door, or even a window, and Things are kind of rattling around and you just think, man, something doesn't just sound, you know, right. And you're kind of you wake up, you're kind of in a fog. Maybe you've grabbed your gun, whatever the case. Maybe you've got a shotgun sitting next to the door. Who knows? But all of a sudden, you know, you you encounter an intruder that maybe isn't even armed, but they're, you know, coming through a screen or they're coming through, you know, a window or something along those lines. And you shoot them at that point in time. What's going to happen?
SPEAKER 08 :
Yeah, well, you're. There's going to be an inquiry. But again, if it comes back to your dwelling, comes back to your home, and this person is coming into your house, it looks like they're breaking and entering. that's a felony, that's something that you have the right to protect yourself on, and you have the right to use lethal force. Okay.
SPEAKER 14 :
Is there ever a time, so let's say, for example, it's typically, these can happen at night, I get that, but, you know, this is during the day, and, you know, officer comes, and, you know, we've got daylight, you know, that's really long right now, so, you know, it could even be eight o'clock at night, but they show up at the front door, they knock, you can pretty much tell that they've pulled up in a patrol car, maybe there's even a couple of them, and they climb out and they knock on the door, and you go ahead and decide to answer. Do you answer and then walk outside? Do you invite them in for coffee? I mean, what do you do at that point?
SPEAKER 08 :
Yeah, I would always... I would open up the door and walk outside myself so that you're not inside your home and then see what they want. If it's something that you're willing to have a conversation with them about, you have that conversation. But if you're not, then you ask them to leave.
SPEAKER 14 :
Yeah, because for some of you listening, some of you say, well, why would they be doing that? I'll give you an example. You guys all know this. My two cousins were murdered up in Thornton. Nobody knows why at this point. Still no answers on that. And, of course, the cops have gone to all of the other doors, of course, Kevin, asking if they've seen anything, if there is any activity, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. So there may be something that happened a few doors down, and they're going to come to your door to say, hey, did you see anything? Do you have any footage? Is there any footage you'd like to share with us, et cetera? I mean, you're not in trouble, but they're trying to do as much fact-finding as they can.
SPEAKER 08 :
No, not at all. They're there to, they're trying to, you know, and that's what happens a lot of times is your interactions with the officers are voluntary. And you just get to decide how much of that interaction you want to have. And if you have information that you want to provide them in that situation, then you provide it. If you don't, you don't, or if you're not comfortable doing it, then you say, you know, I'm, I appreciate you being here, but I'd like you to leave my premises at this point. And they have to leave unless they have probable cause or search warrant.
SPEAKER 14 :
Now, what if, and I know because you and I have talked many times along these lines, and I learned some things from you along these lines as to why you don't want them in the door. Why don't you want them in the door?
SPEAKER 08 :
Yeah, you don't want them to be looking around, seeing anything in plain view that they may believe that leads them to probable cause to get a search warrant for your house or something. I mean, you just don't know. I mean, I'm paranoid about that, right? I want to minimize the ability for them to have any interactions with me or my personal belongings or anything else that may lead to something. You don't know the purpose when they show up. You don't have any idea what they're investigating. You may be a person of interest. and they may act like you're not, you may have nothing to do with it. You just don't know. So you need to do a lot of work.
SPEAKER 14 :
And for all of you listening, some of you would think, well, you know, I don't have anything where they would be interested in it at all or not. Well, let's say, for example, Kevin, I'll give a great example. Let's say that, you know, maybe you just had a Facebook marketplace transaction and you happen to have, I don't know, $10,000, $15,000 of cash because that's the transaction you made. And by the way, if you sold a car, that could very well be the case. And maybe that's rubber banded and it's, you know, It's just sitting on the counter at that point in time. Well, all of a sudden the officers walk in, they look over, they see that cash there. Well, you know, depending upon the officer, Kevin, that could be some red flags.
SPEAKER 08 :
Yep, exactly. I mean, I had a case five, six years ago, a family all living together, and one of the individuals in the family is dealing drugs. And the other two members of the family that are living in the household, they have a business where it's a cash business, and it's completely legitimate. Well, when the police did their search warrant for the guy that had the probable cause for the drug dealing, guess what? All of that legitimate cash was taken into it, and they were trying to say that it was related to this illegal activity, and it wasn't. And we had I had to file suit against the Denver Police Department to get that money back because they were trying to keep it, and they didn't have the right to do that. So it happens.
SPEAKER 14 :
Absolutely. So there you go. There's a great example. So, all right, we're going to take a break. Come back. We'll keep talking some more house stuff. If you've got a question for us, please. We've got Kevin for about 15 more minutes is all. If you've got a question, please text me now, 307-200-8222. Geno's Auto Service up next. If you've got any issues at all with your air conditioning in your car, go to Geno's. They'll take care of you now. They've got a great special on this. Geno'sautoservice.com, and Geno's starts with a J.
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All right, we are back again. Kevin Flesch with me. Kevin Fleschlaw. You can call him 303-806-8886. Two questions that came in, Kevin. One of these actually from Charlie. We see all these things that happen at times. And as you said earlier, you know, we typically, you know, Cops are doing a great job. They're out there trying to protect the public. We get that, okay? And this is by no means an attack on them. But there are also situations where they may actually have the wrong address for the search they're trying to serve, and they now are knocking on your door. What if you don't answer and they just come barreling in, guns a-blazin'? You know, how does that work?
SPEAKER 08 :
Yeah, absolutely. And there's been a fair amount of litigation over this issue because there's been people that have been hurt and killed in those situations. That's just— Sometimes it's willful conduct on those individual officers relating to getting the wrong place and going to the wrong location. Other times it's just negligence on their part. And so those are situations where you want to be the adult in the room and say, listen, guys, you're in the wrong address. And you'll want to ask for that search warrant to see what exactly they're saying they're searching for and where the location of the search is. supposed to be, they have to provide you a copy of that search warranty if they come in unannounced. So they've got to provide that to you.
SPEAKER 14 :
Okay.
SPEAKER 08 :
Other question that came in was... All the TV shows and everything else that you see, you know, where they're coming in with all these folks, you still have to have some communication, especially in regards to a personal residence, about why they're there.
SPEAKER 14 :
Next question came in cell phones. All of a sudden something happens and they want to take a peek at your cell phone. What can they and can they not do to make you open up? Because most are locked now, either facial recognition or numbers or whatever. What's the rule there?
SPEAKER 08 :
So cell phones, they're electronic tethers to us, right? They are the ability now and the technology is they can In most urban areas, your cell phone can be tracked within basically 100 feet of where you are because of the triangulation of the cell phone towers. You still have a privacy right to your cell phone and to any of the information that inside of it so I again much like your car or your home you're not going to provide a police officer with any ability to get into your phone and you have a complete privacy right relating to that and that's gone all the way up to the US Supreme Court and Apple in particular has been fighting about this and why that's why I see ads for them is they're very concerned about your privacy absolutely and and it's really important because there is just so much data and in our phones these days that I would never allow a police officer to either have my lock for the screen or to get into the phone, period. Because even if they go get a search warrant, they still generally can't get into that phone because the providers won't give the information to get into it. So it's like it has a giant lock on it, so don't unlock it for them.
SPEAKER 14 :
Next question comes in on the same lines, only this is a little different take. What about kids who have cell phones and a school, you know, either an SRO or an administrator wants them to unlock the phone? What does that do on the minor sides of things?
SPEAKER 08 :
Yep, same thing. They're actually supposed to be talking to the parents first. because the child doesn't have the ability to authorize the opening of the phone. SROs are still police officers, so they still have the obligation to follow the Constitution. Other individuals within the school should be talking to and legally have to be talking to a parent to have them unlock that phone. And again, the parents shouldn't be allowing it. In my opinion, that's a family matter that you deal with the child on your own. and that you try to keep the authorities from the school out of it completely. Obviously, if they believe that there's criminal activity that's going on, they can, again, go get a search warrant and try to get information.
SPEAKER 14 :
This kind of hits closer to home because this is going back to the case I just mentioned with my cousins where the police are having a hard time getting everybody's other ring camera footage and so on to try to determine who actually came and went from that house and so on. What's the legality along those lines? Do they have to have a search warrant to actually get that footage? I mean, on the same token, if you're – I guess the way I'm looking at that, Kevin, if I'm not involved and I can help any way, shape or form, you know, find somebody that did this, I personally would be willing to hand that over. But I get it. Everybody's a little bit different. What's the law in that case?
SPEAKER 08 :
Yeah, that's exactly right. It's the same thing. You can voluntarily provide that information and provide that evidence to the police. There's lots of cases that we deal with where they'll go around a neighborhood and get the neighbor's ring camera for additional, you know, maybe a different vantage point or something else. That's regular police work that's being done. But if it's not voluntarily given, then they have to subpoena it and have a probable cause determination for a search warrant that a court would allow them to get it. In the course of a you know, a criminal investigation they can subpoena it, or after the case has been filed, the lawyers on each side have the ability to try to subpoena that data if they think it's out there to have somebody come in and talk about it. And then the person that is subpoenaed gets to make any arguments whether they should disclose it or not.
SPEAKER 14 :
In this case, though, where there's no found perpetrator at this point, there's no case, there's no charges, there's no nothing, that's a whole different can of worms, right?
SPEAKER 08 :
It is, but if they have probable cause and they believe that the evidence is there from a neighbor, for example, they can do a search warrant. They can ask the court to authorize the request, and then they can go and serve it on the person. And then they have some defenses. If they don't want to provide it, then they can have a court hearing about what it is they have or don't have and why it's important. I mean, you never know. I suppose there might be some privacy right issues relating to that data. I don't know. You know, is there... Is there something that's on it that they're concerned about that maybe the court can review in camera so the parties don't see it and then make a decision as to whether it's relevant or not? That sort of argument.
SPEAKER 14 :
Anything else on your property when, and I guess maybe this is a question, maybe I should word it this way. Where does your personal property line start and end when it comes to having any kind of law enforcement on it? In other words, it's a public sidewalk, but now it's your yard or it's your walk coming up to your house. Where do things start and stop along those lines?
SPEAKER 08 :
Yeah, so relating to sort of the castle doctrine, they talk about the curtilage, so that's anything that's attached to the home. garage, those sorts of things. Outbuildings probably are included if they're close. If you have a 10-acre property and it's 250 yards away and it's a garage that's used for storage, that may not be part of your home, so that's something to be considering. Relating to where the police can come, it's basically exactly what you talked about. The sidewalk is certainly public. People walk that. That's regular kind of commerce that you'd expect them to be, but once they jump off of that sidewalk, and they're now on sort of either your front yard or a walkway to your door, that becomes your property. Those officers then have to have your permission to be there. If you don't want them to be there, you tell them that they need to leave, and they've got to follow that recommendation unless they have some sort of court order saying that they can stay there. Got it. Okay. Same thing with a bigger piece of property. Same thing. You know, if you're out in – you know, the more rural parts of Colorado and you have a 30 acre parcel, They can't be rummaging around in your 30-acre parcel.
SPEAKER 14 :
Okay, so let's take this to a, you know, same, you know, whether it be a 5, 10, 15-acre parcel, whatever, and you've got the main house, you may have an attached garage, maybe you've got a detached garage, maybe you have a barn that's within, oh, I don't know, Kevin, 50 to 100 yards, and, you know, you keep a lot of your other things in the barn. It may not be your house, but, you know, maybe it's got a little bathroom and even a shower, and you spend some time out there and so on. Is that still the domicile or not?
SPEAKER 08 :
So I would say that once you get past that sort of 100-yard mark, and if it doesn't have the ability for you to be staying in it, a bathroom and other things like these man caves, then it starts feeling like it's still a domicile. So I think factually you can make the argument that it's still your dwelling. I think when it's just raw storage... Maybe it doesn't have a shop in it. You're just using it for other purposes. Right. It's not heated.
SPEAKER 14 :
It's just kind of outside storage and so on.
SPEAKER 08 :
That's probably a little different scenario, right? The chicken coop probably doesn't count. Right. I think that that's, you know, you've got to consider that. But the police still don't have the right to go in that. Right.
SPEAKER 14 :
Well, and I'm looking even more along the lines of, okay, let's say that, you know, you're out in your barn and you're working and all of a sudden somebody shows up because they don't know you're there. And, you know, maybe you put a long night in because you're working on a project or something and all of a sudden somebody shows up and they're armed and there's a confrontation and somebody ends up, you know, not living after said confrontation. Is that still considered, you know, in the castle end of things? Is that still your castle and are you okay? Yeah.
SPEAKER 08 :
You're probably going to be looking at more of the interpretation of the statutes relating to reasonable force. And so you don't have quite the protections as you would in your house. But you're still, I mean, let's face it, in either of those situations, whether you get charged or not, you never want to take somebody's life without knowing exactly that you know you're doing the right thing. And so because we've got the criminal side and the civil side, remember the civil side, someone can still be charged. civilly and somebody's trying to get some money for a wrongful death potentially if, you know, you've made a mistake that, you know, it's a neighbor that's drunk and they've gone to the wrong house or the wrong garage, you know, something like that and you didn't... Which, by the way, is different.
SPEAKER 14 :
Different than if two guys show up with ARs and black masks and they crawl out because they're trying to steal. You know, maybe you've got a nicer car collection or something along those lines and they thought you were gone on vacation. But no, you're out in the shop working and all of a sudden they show up and they're fully armed. I mean, that's a different scenario, right?
SPEAKER 08 :
Completely different scenario. Absolutely. And again, they're brandishing weapons. That's an indication of lethal force they seem to be going to be using against you. And of course, most likely it's one of them that's died. They don't have the ability to testify about what actually happened. The only witness that can testify at that point would be you. And you're going to say, listen, I reacted because I thought I was in danger. of having my life taken, so I use lethal force, period.
SPEAKER 14 :
And a lot of you that would have that already probably have outside cameras that would even prove everything we just said, which even makes it even that much better. So at the end of the day, you're probably – again, all of these – I should have said this to begin with, Kevin. Every situation is going to be different, legally speaking. It's where you come into play and folks have to call you. And I would say, guys, keep Kevin's number on speed dial because if anything happens – I say it all the time, you're on the civil and criminal side both. You never know. They need you if something were to happen.
SPEAKER 08 :
Yeah, and I think the biggest thing, the last thing that we probably could talk about this is the fact is that if you're serious about self-defense in your home, you've got to practice these things. You've got to think about what you would do in these scenarios and make sure that you've done some of these things so that you understand what to do defensively to really take full advantage of these sorts of situations so that you're ready. I mean, it's much like anything else. If you practice it, you're going to be much better when you get into that situation than have never been really thinking about it before. Great point. Because it's one thing to talk about it on the radio. It's another thing that once you go do it and once you start thinking about how am I going to approach this situation, You know, and what am I going to do? You know, do I announce myself? Do I not announce myself? You know, do I say I have a gun? Do I not? I mean, most individuals who actually teach these sorts of things say, you know, you never tell someone you have a gun unless you're going to immediately use it. And if you're going to immediately use it, then just use it. Right. Be done with it. That's right. Exactly.
SPEAKER 14 :
That's right. Kevin, as always, I appreciate it. It's been too long. We'll do this again in the not-too-distant future because there's a lot of stuff we didn't even get a chance to cover, so we'll do this again shortly. And as always, I appreciate your time greatly. You're a great resource.
SPEAKER 08 :
Yeah. Thank you, John, and thanks to all your listeners.
SPEAKER 14 :
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SPEAKER 14 :
And we are back again. Special thanks to Kevin Flesch for joining us today. Took time out of his day, which I appreciate greatly. Joe, what's up, sir?
SPEAKER 09 :
Oh, we've got a couple things going on. But it was a great segment with Kevin. He's a great guy. Very informative and stuff. Everybody. needs to know and should have available to them. So they're just fantastic.
SPEAKER 14 :
Really quick, just to add another plug in for Kevin, because, Joe, you've met many attorneys in your day, and I will tell you that of all the ones I've ever met, as far as actually being able to concisely explain something and not get into a lot of the gobbledygook that a lot of lawyers want to go down the path of, Kevin does a tremendous job of explaining things.
SPEAKER 09 :
He really does. Clear, concise layman's terms, easy to understand.
SPEAKER 14 :
Yep.
SPEAKER 09 :
Not a lot of legal gobbledygook. Yep. Hey, John, how about we start off with Charlie Kirk explaining why the U.S. isn't a democracy and why he's glad it isn't. And I think we only need to play like the first two minutes. I think I can do that.
SPEAKER 14 :
Let me get my sound up. Charlie, are you ready for me? Here we go.
SPEAKER 21 :
Do you view democracy as an American value, something that's very important to the fabric of this country?
SPEAKER 20 :
No. Where is democracy in the U.S. Constitution?
SPEAKER 21 :
Oh, OK.
SPEAKER 20 :
So hold on. Where is the word democracy?
SPEAKER 21 :
I don't think the word democracy is in the Constitution.
SPEAKER 20 :
So where is the word democracy in any of the Founding Fathers?
SPEAKER 21 :
A lot of the Founding Fathers had extremely elitist viewpoints around who should... No, hold on.
SPEAKER 20 :
You said the word democracy, so I want to get back to our roots. Yes. Where is democracy mentioned in the Federalist Papers, the Constitution, or the Declaration of Independence?
SPEAKER 21 :
I think it's good that this country has moved away from things that were explicitly believed by the founding fathers.
SPEAKER 20 :
So it is mentioned in the Federalist Papers, and it's mentioned negatively as a problem. So you ask me, is democracy a fundamental American value? I say no, because I go back to our roots, and Hamilton, Madison, and Jay... Oh, I know that Hamilton was anti-democracy.
SPEAKER 21 :
These people thought that people should be owned as...
SPEAKER 20 :
I want to be clear. I am pro-representative government, but I'm not pro-democracy. That's a big difference, and that distinction is important. But you ask very specifically about democracy, which is not an American value. It never has been and never should be. Because what is democracy? Democracy is majority rule no matter what. that there's no provisions of checks and balances, no inalienable rights, no separation of powers, pure if the majority gets it, the majority wants it, as quickly as possible.
SPEAKER 21 :
I don't advocate pure democracy. I do understand that we live in a representative, like we live in a republic, and I understand these things.
SPEAKER 20 :
I believe in representative government.
SPEAKER 21 :
Okay.
SPEAKER 20 :
And you might say I'm splitting hairs on words, but I'm not.
SPEAKER 21 :
Well, just coming from a place where on some level we have a level of democracy in this country and people vote and it is part of their civic duty to vote.
SPEAKER 20 :
Representative, sure.
SPEAKER 21 :
Yes. Do you not think it is in the greater interest of this country at large that its citizens are as educated as possible to therefore be able to participate in that system?
SPEAKER 20 :
I think they should be as wise as possible. And I don't think that education and wisdom are the same thing. Yeah, I understand. In fact, I think college disincentivizes the cultivation of wisdom.
SPEAKER 14 :
In the age... All right, I'll leave it at that, Joe, because that one goes on for quite some time. But he makes great points, by the way, and something that on this program, I don't rarely correct guests, Joe, because I just feel like that's kind of rude. But the one thing that I have always corrected guests on that have come on this program is when they use that word democracy, because we don't have one.
SPEAKER 09 :
That's right. And let me give you a simple example to his point about mob rule. If we were democracy, and we are... I'm not saying we are... by law, a Christian nation, but by religious belief, we are overwhelmingly a Christian nation or a Judeo-Christian nation. And if the Judeo-Christian population, if there was a measure on the ballot, on the federal election ballot, to outlaw the practice of the Muslim religion in the United States, if we were a democracy and all the Christians and all the Jews in this country voted to outlaw the practice of the Muslim religion, it would be outlawed. That's a pure... But fortunately, we have a constitution that that protects the rights of the minorities, and the First Amendment is that the government shall make no law restricting the practice of religion. So that's why if you're a Satanist or a Muslim or a Buddhist, you are safe from the democracy, what would happen in a democracy if all the Christians and Jews decided that only Christianity and Judaism could be practiced in this country.
SPEAKER 14 :
That's where the protests this last weekend were just so loony tune, Joe, because the reality is we haven't had a king in over 250 years. We don't want a king. We left that. We have a representative form of government. So we have three branches of government. I may go down the list and keep going and going like Charlie did. I won't. But the reality is these are people, Joe, that are, to Charlie's point a moment ago, highly educated, but yet very stupid.
SPEAKER 09 :
You know, education and wisdom, John, don't go—in fact, I think Charlie Kirk makes that point. You know, I've met a lot of people with PhDs who are idiots.
SPEAKER 14 :
Right.
SPEAKER 09 :
Absolutely idiots.
SPEAKER 14 :
Educated idiots, I call them.
SPEAKER 09 :
Not a lick of common sense. By the way, did you hear about Netanyahu calling Macron of France, asking him for help with Iran?
SPEAKER 14 :
No, I didn't.
SPEAKER 09 :
Yeah, so Netanyahu says, I need your help with Iran, and Macron said— stop, we're not going to help you attack Iran. And Netanyahu says, no, no, no, I just want, I need your help, I need you to teach them, I need you to help teach them to learn how to surrender.
SPEAKER 14 :
There you go. There you go. And by the way, I just got a great comment from a couple of texters, by the way, not just one, but a couple that said, we have some of the best Most educated, wise guests, and not only that, but Kevin Flesch being a great sponsor as well, and just a great kudo to all of you that are listening, the questions that come in, Joe, yourself included, and we do. We have, I think, some of the best listeners and some of the wisest folks out there that make me look really good, by the way.
SPEAKER 09 :
John, you don't need a lot of help. You look good all by yourself, but glad to be part of the support team.
SPEAKER 14 :
Well, and thank you, by the way, for you, Joe, and those of you listening and texting that in as well. I mean that sincerely. We have some of the most wise listeners, I think, anywhere, Joe, and it's a real testament to the crowd that we run around in. Let's just say it that way.
SPEAKER 09 :
Well, you're not including John from Wyoming.
SPEAKER 14 :
No, no, no, not John, though. No, we're excluding him.
SPEAKER 09 :
Not John, okay. Just want to make sure I'm not including John in that group. All right. Hey, Mike, I quoted the week this week in my podcast, quoted the week. We all know who Thomas Sowell is, the economist.
SPEAKER 14 :
Oh, yes, absolutely.
SPEAKER 09 :
He had a great quote about, you know, the trouble Europe is going through, you know, the no-go zones, you know, the bombing. Sweden is having, like, one bombing a day, you know, explosion. Here's his quote about the— you know, they open the floodgates, unlimited immigration, you know, from people from Syria and all the countries. He said, Europe is belatedly discovering how unbelievably stupid it was to import millions of people from cultures that despise Western values and which often promote hatred towards the people who have let them in.
SPEAKER 14 :
That's right. Okay, I want to dovetail into that because there was a question I saw today. I don't respond to much social media stuff because that's almost like banging your head against a brick wall. So I just don't go there, Joe, much. You do. Andy does. More power to you. I've got other things to do. I don't have time. But there was a question that went out today that this was a legitimate question, and it was a conservative asking this that basically said, you know, hey, you know, the argument about guns, for example, that if we take, you know, all guns away from everybody, then, of course, we'll be a lot safer. But yet the Second Amendment believes that everybody has the right to own a gun. and so on and so forth. So this guy's question was along the lines of, then why, if we apply those same principles to Iran, why is it okay for one country, even one nut job country like North Korea, to have a nuke versus Iran having a nuke? I can answer that, but Joe, what would your answer be?
SPEAKER 09 :
I think it goes down to, in most states, when they do a background check, if it is shown that you are unstable, you have a history of criminal actions, you can't get a gun. And all of these countries, North Korea, Iran, and a dozen others we could name, have a history of criminal behavior.
SPEAKER 14 :
You can't have a weapon if you have a history of – Yeah, and I think to dovetail in what you were saying a moment ago about the whole idea of Europe and being invaded with the Islamic regime and so on, you've got to realize that at the head of that is, of course, Iran. And Iran's goal across the board is not only – and I can remind people of this because most people on the street don't know this – their goal is to not only eliminate – Israel, Joe, but to eliminate us as well in the United States of America. Iran's number one goal is to eliminate us and Israel combined.
SPEAKER 09 :
In their prayers every morning, it's death to America. That's right.
SPEAKER 14 :
And death to Israel.
SPEAKER 09 :
That's right. So that's in their, every day, every, you know, in their prayers.
SPEAKER 14 :
And as much as there's other nut jobs like Kim Jong-un, I don't think he's waking up every day having that prayer to Mecca, doing the exact same thing that's happening in Iran. And some would say – and I would say even, Joe, that's the difference. I mean, the reality is even as big of a nut job as Kim Jong-un is, he's not the same nut job as the Ayatollah is.
SPEAKER 09 :
No, no. Iranians, they're ruled by religious zealots. And by the way, it's really sad. Most people aren't old enough to remember. At one point, Iran was ruled by the Shah of Iran, and they were a friendly, capitalist-friendly nation. friend, ally of the United States.
SPEAKER 14 :
You know, freedom, they weren't... Well, Joe, it was one of the most beautiful countries on the planet, second to the United States of America. They had a prospering economy, great people. It was a great tourist place to go, on and on. I mean, we can go down the list of the things that they did really, really well, and all they did was allow that to be screwed up by the Islamic regimes.
SPEAKER 09 :
Yeah, the religious zealots overthrew the Shah. He was a, you know, let's call him a benevolent monarch. But he did a great job of running that, and the country prospered. People prospered. Women had freedom. They didn't have to cover their faces. They could go to school. They didn't.
SPEAKER 14 :
Joe, most people don't know this, but I actually went to school with at that time, I guess you would have called them Iranian refugees. They actually came to this country because of the way things were getting in the mid 70s. This is about the time I went to school with were great friends, by the way. They were great people and they literally left the country because of the very things you're talking about.
SPEAKER 09 :
And actually, there's a couple of guys here.
SPEAKER 14 :
And really quick, some of you out there don't know this. Not to interrupt Joe, but really quick, some of you may not know this. Joe, you'll know this name. For some of you that maybe don't know this, this is no longer the owner because it's been bought since. But Mike's camera here in town, here in Denver, was one of those particular individuals I am talking about. And I went to school with some of his nieces and nephews. And the reality is that was the family that came from Iran at that time, Joe.
SPEAKER 09 :
Yep. And John, a couple of the guys that go to the health club, I go to there about my age. Same thing. They are refugees from Iran, and they talk about how good it was when the Shah was, you know.
SPEAKER 14 :
And then they talk about how bad it got.
SPEAKER 09 :
And how bad it got and why they left. And by the way, back then under the Shah, they didn't throw homosexuals off the top of buildings or hang them from construction.
SPEAKER 14 :
Not at all. Not at all. I got another clip. You want to play the next clip and intro it?
SPEAKER 09 :
Sure. This is, you know, I may have played this a couple of weeks ago at the end, but maybe people didn't hear it. This is my favorite senator, John Kennedy, interviewing our new president. Secretary of Energy Chris Wright. Now, remember, the election took place on November 5th and Biden lost. And then on 76 days later, Trump was sworn in. So that was 76 days in total. But you had a Thanksgiving vacation. You had a Christmas vacation. You had eight weekends. So I think of those 76 days, John, there was only like 49 working days. And he's telling Senator Kennedy how many billions of dollars in government grants and government-guaranteed loans were issued. And we can only play about the first two minutes.
SPEAKER 14 :
I'll play this really quick. Here we go.
SPEAKER 11 :
I've come in with great concern about how this institution, this great American institution has been run and how American taxpayer money has been handled. Chairman, I look forward to you. We've got a lot of work ahead of us.
SPEAKER 04 :
Thank you, Senator. Mr. Secretary, I want to go back to some of your earlier testimony and be sure I heard it correctly. The 76-day period you're talking about, that's the period between the time that President Trump was elected and President Biden left office, is that right? That is correct. And during that short period of time, 76 days, how much taxpayer money went out the door of the Department of Energy?
SPEAKER 12 :
From the loan program office in loans and commitments, $93 billion. Well over twice as much as in the previous 15 years.
SPEAKER 04 :
How do you vet and do due diligence on a loan in 76 days? One loan. much less $93 billion. How do you do it?
SPEAKER 12 :
I think it's probably pretty clear it wasn't done in many cases. I'm going to leave it at that, Joe. The answer is they didn't.
SPEAKER 09 :
They didn't. And think about that. They pushed more money out the door in 76 calendar days, which is only 49 working days, than they did in the previous 15 years.
SPEAKER 14 :
Years. Not months. Years.
SPEAKER 09 :
Years. Talk about shoveling money. Talk about irresponsibility. And, of course, just like Solyndra, which was the $500 billion loan. Obama's deal. And when they bankrupt nine months later, you know, when Obama gave the federalists, I think you were going to see that money, those bankruptcies coming left and right because you can't possibly. And, by the way, the typical loan was probably not a billion dollars, probably $500 million.
SPEAKER 15 :
Probably, yeah, that's right.
SPEAKER 09 :
We're probably talking, John, several hundred loans.
SPEAKER 14 :
Mm-hmm.
SPEAKER 09 :
You can't do several hundred loans in 48 working days.
SPEAKER 14 :
No, Joe, it's impossible. Can't be done. You can't do it. No. And by the way, a private institution couldn't do that. Nonetheless, the federal government, because they take longer, Joe. I mean, anybody that's done anything along the lines of grants and SBA and so on knows it takes a lot longer to go that route than it does a regular bank.
SPEAKER 09 :
Right. And let me, to build on that, John, let me just go back to Solyndra. It's ancient history, but let me point out. Sure, go ahead. So Solyndra went around, they shopped their business plan to every bank and every venture capital firm of note in the country. I mean, I think they went to 14 banks and 22 venture capital firms. And these banks and venture capital, John, they hire the brightest people at the top business schools. And every single one of them looked at their business plan and turned them down and said, no, we don't think this is viable.
SPEAKER 15 :
Right.
SPEAKER 09 :
But the federal government comes in and says, no, we're smarter than all of those banks and all of those venture capital firms. We think that's a great business plan. Jeez. How arrogant, John, is that?
SPEAKER 14 :
A, it's very. And B, then you have to wonder what kind of kickbacks and things are happening along those lines, because typically that's really what it boils down to, Joe. And I think it's even being determined on this $93 billion that there's a lot of what I just said going on in relation to that as well. Political kickbacks galore. That's why all that stuff got approved as quickly as it did.
SPEAKER 09 :
Yep. And yes, and by the way, it was proven that the head of Solyndra became a huge Democrat donor just as soon as they got that money.
SPEAKER 15 :
Yep.
SPEAKER 09 :
uh... talk about funding there's an organ that you know these uh... you wonder all these writers are getting all the funding all the money who's near there with their flying them in there put them up in hotels are feeding us with the money coming us well and let me tell you ever heard of an organization called the churches c h r i l a ever heard of that organization yep coalition for humane immigration rights right uh... well senator josh hall has been has opened investigation because it turns out they've been funding a lot of the uh... uh... providing funding for the rioters. Well, here's where they got their funding from. They got a $44.8 million tax-free in 2022 from various donors. Its executive director makes more than $200,000 a year. It spent nearly $1.2 million on travel, and it's spent a big $9 million on lobbying since 2019. So, by the way, so Chirley got $450,000 from Biden's Department of Homeland Security. Department of Homeland Security gave them $450,000. Yep. That same organization got $34 million in government funding, mainly from the state of California, by the way.
SPEAKER 14 :
Amazing.
SPEAKER 09 :
The state of California.
SPEAKER 14 :
Amazing. Amazing. Joe, I've got to run with that, man. I appreciate you very much, as always. Thanks for changing up today and giving Kevin a little more time as well.
SPEAKER 09 :
You're quite welcome, John. Happy to do it.
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About a minute left, and I've gotten several messages today with Kevin Flesch being on from a lot of you in Wyoming. And my heart goes out to you because there's not just one person, but several people talking about how corrupt, literally how corrupt, Some of the police force, sheriff and so on up in that area actually are. And I have no personal experience with this other than those of you that are texting me. And I I'm not going to say that I don't believe you because I have no reason not to believe you. So I got to believe what you guys are saying is true. And I'll just be straight up honest. You guys need to fix that. You either need to elect a new sheriff, clean house, new city council, whatever the case may be. But you guys need a clean house. It's a bunch of garbage what's going on up in that Cheyenne area. And I'm sorry to say that because, you know, I don't live up there. But from everything I'm getting and some of the information I'm getting back, you guys have some real complaints that need to be handled. And I would be one that would be on that. I don't know if any of those folks listen to me here, but I'll tell you what, what's going on is a bunch of nonsense. And I will continue to talk about it because you guys keep sending me the info and I'll keep bringing it up and maybe it will get to the right people. And some of that will get handled because what's going on up in the Cheyenne area, legally speaking, is utter nonsense. And I'll just say it straight up. It's like it's like backwoods Alabama. And as far as the judicial system is concerned, and that's a bunch of garbage. So anyways. I'll leave it at that. Be back tomorrow. Movies really quick. We have got three tomorrow. 28 Years Later, Elio, and Bride Hard, and then Outer Space Movies in hour number two. Have a great night. Rush to Reason, Denver's Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560.
Join us for an engaging conversation on Rush to Reason as John Rush and Kevin Flesch explore the complexities of traffic stops. This episode is packed with valuable information for drivers, including the do's and don'ts of a traffic stop, how to ensure safety for both the driver and the officer, and the legal rights you should be mindful of during such situations. With real-world examples and expert advice, this episode equips listeners with the confidence to handle traffic encounters with ease.
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All right, Hour 2, Rush to Reason, Denver's Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560. Appreciate you all joining us. As I said, yes, actually, I've been saying this the last couple of days, Kevin Flesch joining us now. Flesch Law, Kevin, welcome. How are you?
SPEAKER 17 :
I'm good, John. Thanks.
SPEAKER 15 :
How are you? I'm good. Always a joy having you. And if you were locally, we'd have you in studio, so I know you're not, but that's okay. We'll take you over the phone. there you go in studio as well but you know that's the way it goes that's all right lots going on in the news especially when it comes to legal things and part of why i wanted to have you on today was you know a some of the things we saw that happened over the weekend in regards to you know minnesota which is kind of in your neck of the woods and you know talk a little bit about you know just what do you do in certain circumstances and so on but as with anything just because everybody for the most part drives there's a few people that maybe don't but for the most part kevin people drive and lots of i feel because i see this on the internet i follow different stories and different you know whether it be on facebook instagram tiktok whatever you see all these different traffic stops and things that happen and the dumb things that people do and by the way and just because i've been around you long enough to know that there are certain things that you should and shouldn't do. I just thought, it's a good time to have you back. We haven't done this for quite some time. So let's start in on the traffic stop end of things. And what are some of the do's and don'ts of a traffic stop?
SPEAKER 17 :
Yeah, so from the standpoint of when you get pulled over by an officer, it's normally for most people because it doesn't happen to you very often. It's sort of an unnerving thing. So you're nervous. It's one of the most dangerous things that police officers do in their daily lives because they have lots of problems with people pulling guns or doing other things, moving their vehicles, getting hit by cars. There's just a lot of things that can happen in a traffic stop for a police officer. So you have to be mindful that it's something that they do on a regular basis, but they're also worried about their safety. So if you can make them feel as comfortable as possible, then most likely your interactions with that officer are going to be the best possible outcome for you in the sense of them being professional and not doing anything that's OK. You know, sometimes we see and on the news. So, OK, so really quick.
SPEAKER 15 :
So as we get, you know, and by the way, everything you just said, I appreciate that. So this is a question that, you know, even I have, especially as a car guy, because I at times, Kevin, and I know it's not always, you know, the officer, sometimes it's the person that they've. pulled over but as a car guy and I look at traffic maybe even a little different than others and you know I have said for years now that I am I'm one of these people that Kevin if you get a special on a busy it doesn't matter it could be a busy side road could be Parker it could be 225 I 25 whatever You know, you could be out on the interstate. And where I'm going with this is I've gotten the point as a car person myself that if you have any kind of a, you know, car problem, especially a flat tire, in other words, a car still running, you've got the ability to keep moving forward. Honestly, Kevin, I don't care if you ruin the wheel. Get off of the road. Go to the next exit. You know, get over as far as you can. Turn your hazards on. But you do not want to be changing a tire on the side of any kind of a busy roadway, freeway, even a city street. It's just an accident waiting to happen, in my opinion.
SPEAKER 17 :
Yep, I completely agree with you. And it's the same thing with the traffic stop. Yes. You want to get over as quickly as you can, but you also want to make it safe for the officers. So think about that when you're going over.
SPEAKER 15 :
So what's the rule of thumb? Let's say that I'm on, I don't know, I-70. and you were driving a little faster than maybe you should have, or who knows what the situation is, and all of a sudden you see the lights on behind you, do you have the ability to slowly turn your hazards on, go over to the right lane, and go to the next exit and get off? Or is that going to make the officer mad?
SPEAKER 17 :
They probably will if it's a long ways. But if it's within a quarter, half mile, something like that, that makes sense. Or if you can get to a spot... then maybe the side of the road is wider in those instances so that the officer can come up. Sometimes they'll also come up onto the passenger side of the vehicle. Okay. So just keep that in mind as well. Maybe give them enough room on that side of the vehicle, depending upon where you've pulled over, so that the officer's safety is considered.
SPEAKER 15 :
And, again, a question that I've got is this is – we're talking now – we're going to parlay into this. This is daytime because I think there's some things at night that – We might want to do a little bit differently have questions for you on but this is during the day you can see what's going on see the officer officer can see you in all of that I mean is there anything else that folks need to do to let that officer know that yep I see you I'm aware I'm going to pull over but you know I'm not going to do it right here because I you know you can't talk to him so you're not saying this you know to him verbally but I don't want to be in danger I don't want you to be in danger so I'm going to pull up a little further you know how do you do that.
SPEAKER 17 :
Yep. Yeah. So I think the communication would be putting on your hazards or before that, putting on your blinker to make sure that they're aware that, you know, that they're behind you and that you're doing everything you can to move over as quickly as possible. OK, so that you're communicating in that sense so that the officer doesn't just think that you're trying to slowly move away from them, you know, and commit a crime that way.
SPEAKER 15 :
Well, and I think, you know, at least I would think slowing down also lets them know that, you know, I'm not going anywhere. I'm going to turn my hazards on. I'm pulling over. Yes, I may be. In fact, I'm going to be well under the speed limit at this point in time. But I want to get out of the way so that, you know, you as an officer aren't in harm's way as well. Exactly. Yep.
SPEAKER 17 :
And then once you're pulled over, then you just want to be organized. You want to make sure that they see your hands when they come up to the door, that they know that you're not You know, you don't have anything that's going to cause them any problems. And then you just listen to them, see what they have to say to you. You don't really make any statements. You just take direction from them to make sure that the interaction goes as quickly as possible.
SPEAKER 15 :
Okay, because you and I have talked about this in the past. They come up to the window. Maybe you've got it cracked. Maybe you've got it rolled down. In fact, I guess that's the next question. What's the rule of thumb on when they come up to the side window? Do I have to roll it all the way down? Can I roll it down partially?
SPEAKER 17 :
do yep you want to roll it down so that you can communicate with the officer it doesn't have to be all the way down it can be partially that's not a problem so that you can slide them your you know your uh registration proof of insurance if they ask for it and your identification now do you get all of that ready before they come up or do you want to find out what they're asking for before they actually you know before you actually start rummaging through your glove box Yeah, you can do it easily. So I always say to people that they should be prepared. You always have proof of insurance in your car and the registration may be together in the same location so that you're not rummaging around too much because they get up to your car pretty quickly. So if you can get that pretty quickly, then do that. If you can't, if it's going to be a little bit more struggle or if there's just some issue, maybe you don't have your proof of insurance with you, just make sure that they see your hands. so that they know that there isn't anything going on. And then once they ask you for it, then you can ask them to allow you to look for it where you think it might be.
SPEAKER 15 :
Okay, so one of the things that I know that, because I see this in some of these videos, do you know why I stopped you? What's our answer when they ask that?
SPEAKER 17 :
I generally would say as little as possible. If they ask, do you know why I stopped you? I would say, no, I don't, because generally we don't. I mean, it could be for speed. It could be something completely different. You just don't know. Okay.
SPEAKER 15 :
So answer is no, officer, I don't.
SPEAKER 17 :
Yeah, the reason that they're asking you that is because they're hoping that you'll admit that you're speeding or that you were doing something wrong.
SPEAKER 15 :
Yeah, I missed that red light back there. Yeah, that's exactly right. I know we're laughing, but yet these things can come up. And I don't want to laugh, because to your point, Kevin, there's a lot of good, solid officers out there. And you're right. These traffic stops can be extremely dangerous to them, not only from traffic, you know the folks that are inside of the car doing things that they just should not be doing and i would never think of doing by the way to them being injured by others that are driving by you know i'll get into the nighttime stuff but it can even happen during the daytime one of the things that i think sometimes even officers forget kevin is flashing lights automatically will direct people toward you it's just a natural occurrence it's the way our eyes and our brains work And what people don't realize is, and this is what race car drivers fully understand, where your eyes go, so does the car. So if you start looking at flashing lights, naturally, your hands will go in that direction. And it's why drunk drivers especially go towards the light, because that's where they're naturally attracted. And that's why, unfortunately, a lot of drunk drivers will end up running into police officers and things like that. We had some tragedy over in the Golden Area this last winter along those lines because of the very thing I'm talking about.
SPEAKER 17 :
Yeah, you're absolutely right, John. And it's something that people have to really think about when they get into the situation. You know, you are nervous because you've got a police officer behind you. But just being courteous to that officer, think about what you're doing at that point to make sure that the interaction is as safe as possible for everybody involved.
SPEAKER 15 :
Okay. What if they start asking other questions? What's our limit on what we should or should not answer as a driver?
SPEAKER 17 :
Yeah. So we have the Fifth Amendment in the federal constitution that says you have the right to remain silent. And I think people should take that into consideration when speaking with a police officer. You don't have to get anything other than your identification and if they ask you for proof of insurance. So beyond that, if they start asking questions of other things, you just have to be a little bit mindful that you don't have to provide that information, and I would provide as little information as possible.
SPEAKER 15 :
All right, that's a great segue. I've got a text message that just came in along those very lines, so hang tight. We'll come back and get that answered. Again, if you've got a question specifically for Kevin, he's gracious enough to give us his time today, so please, if you've got a question, let's get those answered. 307-282-22 is our text line. We'll come right back again. Kevin Flesch with us, Flesch Law. His direct line, by the way, if you guys want to call Kevin directly, it's 303- 806-8886. We'll be right back. Listen in to this interview that Golden Eagle Financial, Al Smith, did here just a few days ago, by the way. So give a listen. We'll come right back and talk to Kevin right after that's over.
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putting reason into your afternoon drive. This is John Rush.
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And we are back. Rush to Reason, Denver's Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560. And again, Kevin Flesch with us. We're talking about right now traffic stops. We'll get into a lot of other things today, and I'll time this to where we will get at least the things that I wanted Kevin to present today handled. And again, you're free to ask questions. I've got one that's come in. Kevin, I don't have a concealed carry permit because I'm not asking the government to exercise my Second Amendment. On the same token, what happens if I encounter the wrong cop during the wrong traffic stop?
SPEAKER 17 :
So if you're certain that the individual who you're talking to is an impersonating a police officer, you have to protect yourself. And if that person is using lethal force against you, you can use lethal force to combat that. So that's the issue. So, um, you know, obviously you don't want to make the wrong, wrong decision. And it is a real police officer. And then if you pull a gun on a police officer, uh, bad things happen. I mean, we know that, right. I mean, that, uh, You can't return fire in those situations, obviously, and if that is a real police officer, they have the right to use lethal force if they think it's necessary. Okay, let me throw another scenario.
SPEAKER 15 :
You're that person. You don't have a concealed weapons permit, which, depending upon the circumstances, you may or may not have to have that in your vehicle. Now, there's new Colorado laws along those lines, and I would encourage everybody to— to read those, and if we need to, we can go over those. But bottom line, Kevin, you have a gun. It's in your car. You either have or do not have a concealed weapon permit. Do you even need to mention that to the officer during a regular traffic stop?
SPEAKER 17 :
Never. Never mention it.
SPEAKER 15 :
Okay. It doesn't exist.
SPEAKER 17 :
The only time that you would have to is if they specifically ask you because they have the right to take the gun from you during the traffic stop for their own safety. Okay. So if you have one and they ask you, then you have to tell them that you do and provide it to them. Otherwise, you don't.
SPEAKER 15 :
Now, remember, too, folks, that the Kevin, correct me if I'm wrong, but the laws we've had in Colorado, the safe storage have to do with you being out of the vehicle, having it locked someplace and having that gun locked inside of the vehicle. You traveling with that gun that doesn't necessarily apply. Or am I wrong?
SPEAKER 17 :
No, I think you're absolutely correct. The safe storage is relating to when you're not in the vehicle so that someone can't break in and get to the gun.
SPEAKER 15 :
Meaning if you're traveling with that gun, you could be going to the gun range, you could be going home, you could be doing any number of things. Reality is, you know, if you have that with you, you are not breaking the law, is my point. Unless you're a convicted felon or something along those lines, Kevin, you're not supposed to have it at all. That's a whole other story.
SPEAKER 17 :
Yeah, that's a whole other story. And lots of people and lots of folks that I've represented that carry, you know, they have it in the vehicle. They're just going from place to place, and that's just the way they live their lives. And so you don't have to have it secured while you're in the vehicle. Gotcha.
SPEAKER 15 :
Okay. Another question that came in, the sheriff, and this is a Wyoming question. Sheriff on Wyoming will sit on a subdivision private property road and run radar on the main county road. Is that legal?
SPEAKER 17 :
Yep. So if they have permission to be on that road, it's legal. Otherwise... the officer may be trespassing. But he can do speed checks from a private location as long as they have permission to do so. Okay.
SPEAKER 15 :
So if he doesn't, that might be an issue, and that would be more of where you'd have to ask that particular subdivision, does that officer have permission to be there or not, I guess, if you wanted to go that direction.
SPEAKER 17 :
Yeah. I actually had recently, well, within the last couple of years, My home is in Greenwood Village, but it's actually not in Greenwood Village. It's in unincorporated Arapaho. And there was a Greenwood Village officer in our subdivision doing checks of a particular road that was in Greenwood Village. And she happened to pull me over when I turned right into my subdivision. And I was like, hey. And she said, yes, that's true, but I'm looking at the road that was Bellevue. That's part of Greenwood Village. And so she felt she had jurisdiction. She just gave me a warning after I suggested that maybe she didn't. But it is one of those things that comes up. That's the advantage of being a lawyer. Yeah. Well, I was nice about it. I was just kind of curious because I'm like, well, you know, because our particular subdivision had tried to become part of the city of Greenwood Village at one point. And because we weren't tax positive in the sense of having commercial ventures there, the city wasn't interested in adding the services that they would have had to add. So when one of their police officers is sitting in our street, I was just like, hey, how does this work? Because You're not technically in Greenwood Village right now where we're sitting. So it was just interesting.
SPEAKER 15 :
No, it is interesting. Next question. Got a school bus ticket. School bus was back in a private subdivision, not publicly owned roads. I put on my hazards after sitting there for seven minutes and then drove past the bus. The bus driver was just sitting there reading, waiting for kids. Still got a ticket in the mail. How is that possible?
SPEAKER 17 :
Oh, is that possible? And got a ticket in the mail from who? That would be interesting because we've dealt with those issues. If it's a photo van or something like that, they still have issues with regard to proper service and proving that you were the driver. So I would need to know more about that. Okay. Because that is an interesting – because normally the bus – It would be weird for the bus driver to be sitting there reading with the little sign that says stop or slow down there because that's generally what you see. You can't go around a bus when it's in that sort of process. But if it's just a bus on the side of the road, and there's so many of these school buses now that people have taken. and turned them into, like, tiny homes and things like that. I know, I know. Like the RVs. Right. You just don't know what they are. Exactly, exactly. So I'd be fighting that.
SPEAKER 15 :
Okay, good to know.
SPEAKER 17 :
That would be a more interesting case to develop.
SPEAKER 15 :
Okay, other scenarios. Officer walks up, and, you know, maybe he's, you know, gotten your license and insurance and so on. He's gone back to the car, because this is typically how this works. He then comes back and says, you know, Kevin, can I get you to step out of the car? What's the answer?
SPEAKER 17 :
Yeah, the answer is if they give you a lawful order to get out of your car, you have to get out of the car. Now, the next question generally is can I search the car?
SPEAKER 15 :
That was going to be my next question, yes. So then you're out of the car now, the door's open, and that officer's saying, so Kevin, can I search your car?
SPEAKER 17 :
Yeah, the answer is no. Never allow a police officer to search your car.
SPEAKER 15 :
What if he sees something that he can see from the door being open because you've now just stepped out?
SPEAKER 17 :
Yep. So if it's in plain view, then they have the right to see something that's illegal in plain view. But otherwise, they don't have the right to rummage around in your car and search it without either probable cause for a search warrant or consent from the person that was in the vehicle.
SPEAKER 15 :
Well, I have my dog in the back, Kevin. Can I go ahead and let him sniff around while we're here?
SPEAKER 17 :
No. So it's really interesting. This has been a new line. I just threw another one at you because that one happens, too. Oh, it does. And the police departments now have a bunch of drug recognition sniffing dogs. Right. And there's been some case law that's come out the last few years that the intrusion into your personal space has to be minimized. So it can't be a four-hour search with the dog. They can do it, but they've got to have probable cause to bring the dog in to actually have some. Because it's just like any other search then, that they've got to have some reasoning for doing that extended search. And it's not just a regular traffic stop. I mean, you don't get pulled out of your car for a regular traffic stop.
SPEAKER 15 :
in almost 95 of the time so there's got to be something else going on to give them the right to do that or you've consented and again my advice is to never consent to something like that okay because then the because the other thing i've seen on certain videos and again you and i've talked about this in the past but everybody listening you know listens at different times and so on so i need to go over some of these things is you're out of the car they've you know asked to search your car and you've said no And then they say, well, you know, we've got a canine unit nearby. I'd like to have them come by and do a check as well. And by the way, they may not be there on location. What's the answer then?
SPEAKER 17 :
So the balance there is how much time is it going to take for them to do that? And do they have probable cause to have the dog come and sniff around the vehicle? And that's something that a court will review after the fact. Let's say they come. You still say, no, I don't want any intrusion into my privacy relating to the vehicle. And they say, well, too bad. We're going to do it anyway. They better have either exigent circumstances where they think something is going to dissipate without them doing the search or. they have probable cause to ask a judge to give them a search warrant so that they can do that. That's the best route. Now, I see it all the time where they don't do either of those things. They just bring the dog out and they sniff around. And depending upon the amount of time that it takes to do that and the intrusion into your life, the court is going to balance those two interests and make a determination of whether or not it's unreasonable or Once you get to the stage where you're charged and we're at a motions hearing. Okay. So it comes up all the time where the courts make that value judgment.
SPEAKER 15 :
Good to know. Really quick on the school bus end of things. The explanation is it's Elbert County. They had a picture from the camera on the bus and the arm was out.
SPEAKER 17 :
Oh, okay. Yeah, the arm. That's interesting. So if the arm's out, you've got to. You got to hang out. You got to wait until, because you don't know what's going on with the kids. I mean, it's just a safety issue.
SPEAKER 15 :
That was probably going to be tough to beat.
SPEAKER 17 :
Yeah, probably. But unless you can prove, hey, I was there 7, 10 minutes. There were no kids around. As I went by, it was clear that he was just reading. He probably just didn't realize he had the arm out. But then who took the picture and how did they figure out you were the driver? Good point. So those are all things that, you know, they've got to prove that you are the identity of the driver.
SPEAKER 15 :
All right, going back to the traffic stop and the answer is, you know, automatically, no, no, no, we're not going to allow, you know, different things to happen. And one of the things that you've mentioned in the past, too, that a lot of you have to really pay attention to is in some cases you are the only driver of that car and you do know everything that's actually inside of it. On the same token, some of you drive different cars. You might drive a company car. You might drive a family member's car. You might be borrowing a car. The reality is, Kevin, something could be stuck somewhere that you don't even know is there. And about the time they start doing some sort of a search and they find something that's not supposed to be there, you're now in trouble.
SPEAKER 17 :
Yeah, that's exactly right. I had a case in Aurora 10, 15 years ago where a guy was sitting in a car. There was a gun underneath the seat. He didn't even know it was there. And they did a search, and they found the gun, and he was a felon. They said that he was in possession. He didn't even know it was there. And so we went to trial on exactly that issue, the lack of knowledge, and the jury found him not guilty because of it. But again, that situation, same thing. They shouldn't have given permission.
SPEAKER 15 :
Yep, got it. Joe, you got a question for Kevin. Go ahead.
SPEAKER 04 :
Actually, I do. Kevin, back to telling the officer you have a gun in the car. I'm not in Colorado now, but I was for 25 years, had a concealed carry permit. And in that 25-year time, I think I got stopped three times. And each and every time, I handed him my license, registration, and my CCW permit. And I said, I just want to let you know, officer, I've got a gun in the car. Now, I know I didn't have to do that, but I thought it was two things. One, I'm showing him courtesy and respect. And also the fact that I have a CCW means, hey, I'm a good guy. I wouldn't have this if I was a bad guy. And each and every time they let me go. So I don't know if there's any.
SPEAKER 17 :
So that's a personal preference. The CCW, remember, within the last 10 years or so, the legislature has put in place the fact that Probably 25 years ago, the officers could have looked up your name and saw that you were a CCW holder. Now they can't in a traffic stop, so it's not something that's relevant for the stop. And you just don't know. Most of the time, you get a positive response from the officers, but sometimes, let's say in Denver, you just don't know what the political bent the officer is that's stopping you and how they feel about guns. And so... I think it's a better practice just not to even mention it unless the officer asks you specifically.
SPEAKER 04 :
Okay, well, I thought I'd share my experience with you.
SPEAKER 17 :
Yeah, no, I appreciate it. And if you feel, you know, if you've had a good experience and you think it'll be okay and you get the sense from the officer that they're going to be sort of more empathetic to your situation because you are a CCW holder, then you take that chance. I think it's just a better course just to say as little as possible.
SPEAKER 04 :
I'm now living in a state where it's mandatory that you – You identify yourself and tell the officer that you have no choice in Jersey. I have no choice.
SPEAKER 15 :
Gotcha. Gotcha.
SPEAKER 04 :
All right. Good question, Joe.
SPEAKER 15 :
Appreciate it very much. Thanks, Joe. So, yeah, I think, Kevin, and you and I have talked about this, you know, several times in the past, and I've passed this along even at times where you've not been here, but people have called in and asked questions, even whether it's, you know, here, drive, radio, whatever, where it's your best off just – Just saying the least amount possible. You don't want to, quote unquote, incriminate yourself, because as you've said many times to me and our listeners, they're trained officers and it's nothing against them. It's part of their job. It's part of how they're trained. They're trained to extract information, correct?
SPEAKER 17 :
Yep, exactly. Yeah, they're there. They're there. You know, they're they're protecting people. And part of that is is finding people that are, you know, they think maybe have committed some sort of crime. And so they're going to do what they can to get the best evidence as quickly as possible. And many times that's a statement from the individual who's done it. And so, you know, when you make that admission that, That makes their case a lot stronger. You don't have to put the pieces together. The pieces are given to you straight out of the person's mouth.
SPEAKER 15 :
Okay, so I got another question, and this one dovetails into what I was going to ask as well. So I'm going to couch it this way. You're out of the vehicle for whatever reason, and all of a sudden the officer says, you know, Kevin? Have you been drinking? So I'm going to read this particular question that just came in as well. The sheriff in Nebraska arrested a neighbor kid who drove all the way back from the Bronco game for suspicion of DUI. The kid doesn't drink. Everybody knows he doesn't drink. He's a three-quarter mile from his house. A blood draw shows nothing. Can he explain, can you, Kevin, explain how DUI is so subjective? So that goes back to my question where all of a sudden you're out of the car, you're standing there, and the officer says, hmm, John, you been drinking?
SPEAKER 17 :
Yeah, yeah, so it's, you know, the DUI, The officer has to have probable cause to give you the charge, and it used to be extremely, it's just up to the officer. And now with the body-worn camera footage, it's much better for the person that's being accused, especially in that situation where you get the blood results back and you're at zeros. The officer then should have also articulated that maybe you're under the influence of some sort of drug versus alcohol. Otherwise, it's just a bad officer and it's a bad stop. So those are things that you deal with after the fact with the evidence that you get from the DA relating to the discovery.
SPEAKER 15 :
The other thing I've heard you say a bit before in the past is on the DOI and the things. Folks, please make sure I'm clear on this. Don't drink and drive. We're going to say that forever. That's a no-no. Don't do it. I do know, though, Kevin, there's going to be situations like what I just said where there may be something subjective and maybe you have, I don't know, maybe you had some gum or something where it makes it even seem like maybe you're super tired. You're a little bloodshot. You've been up all night. I mean, there's all sorts of things, Kevin, that can happen along those lines. Maybe all of a sudden the officer is asking that question, and I think – What you've always said is pass on the breathalyzer. If they really are dead set on checking you out, make them do a blood draw. Is that still correct?
SPEAKER 17 :
Yes, that is still correct. You've got more outs relating to the blood draw. They have to get a phlebotomist. The blood has to be sent off to a lab. There will be a second vial that you can get it retested. And then at trial, there's just a lot more things that the DA has to do to get that evidence in. Okay. It can be very beneficial to you along that chain of custody if things go sideways. As well, that's the best evidence relating to what's actually in your bloodstream. And so if you think, I'm not worried about it, still take the blood test because that'll show it. You don't want to refuse. I have a number of cases every year where someone gets really frustrated with the officer because they know they're not impaired. but they aren't willing to go through the testing, and then it's deemed a refusal. Juries don't like refusal.
SPEAKER 15 :
That's almost a guilty sign, right?
SPEAKER 17 :
A lot of times it is. I mean, that's where you start. You can work your way back to not guilty, but people always say to me, and I think it is true that our jurors are like, if you're not impaired, then take the test. What are you worried about? There's some people that are afraid of needles. There's some people that are like, hey, the government shouldn't be doing this. And I agree with all of those things, but then you're going to have to fight that line all the way through the case, probably to a jury. Body-worn camera footage is much better. I just finished a trial two weeks ago. It was a straight-up refusal. Didn't do any standard field sobriety tests and refused breath or blood. But we had really good body camera footage that showed it looked like my client was doing multiple things at once. wasn't swaying, wasn't doing anything that would indicate impairment and jury found him not guilty, but he had to go through that process.
SPEAKER 15 :
Real quick on that too, because it's always a question that comes up even, and I know it can be in some cases, state by state, let's talk Colorado. So those of you that are in, you know, Nebraska and Wyoming and Kansas and so on, you'll have to do your own research. But in Colorado, if I want to go ahead and start feeling, Hey, you know, John, you need to step out of the vehicle or, you know, I need you to step out of the vehicle. Can I start filming on my own camera at that point?
SPEAKER 17 :
You can, but I will tell you that the way that the legislature has set up the body-worn camera footage statute, that that officer will have their body-worn camera footage on, and if it's not on, then it's today, in 2025, in the event that that officer doesn't film the interaction with the public, then it's as if the interaction didn't happen. Got it.
SPEAKER 15 :
So you're better off not having your own camera then.
SPEAKER 17 :
Correct. Yeah, because it becomes a little bit more adversarial at that point when you're filming the filming. And I just had a case dismissed in which the DA couldn't come up with a portion of when my client was having their blood drawn in a case in Douglas County, and the DA dumped the case because they said, well, that evidence is going to be stricken because it wasn't filmed. And so it was the basis of their case, and so they dumped the DUI. So I think on balance, you're better off just doing what you need to do. Don't worry about filming because we'll get the film. The body-worn camera footage is pretty incredible these days.
SPEAKER 15 :
All right, hang tight. We'll come right back. I've got a few more questions that have come in. Another caller as well, so hang tight. Kevin Flesch with us right now. Flesch Law Firm, if you want to reach Kevin directly, by the way, 303-806-8886. Mile High Coin coming up next. If you would like a free appraisal of your stuff, your collection of whatever, and you hear me talk about it a lot. It could be coins, stamps, jewelry, watches, you name it. Give David Gonzalez a call today and get it appraised. You want to turn in the cash, he'll help you with that as well. 720-370-3400.
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SPEAKER 15 :
All right, Kevin Flesch with us, Flesch Law. And Paul, before I go to you, really quick, Kevin, a question came in. Got stopped for using a turn signal too late. Had my tools when I was doing electrical apprenticeship in my truck and got arrested for being in possession of criminal tools. It got thrown out. But is anyone who has tools considered a potential criminal?
SPEAKER 17 :
Yeah. I mean, that's a crazy situation. I'd love to hear more details about it because I'm guessing the officer made a value judgment thinking that the guy looked like he was guy or gal was was in a situation where they may be you know burglarizing places but yeah i mean there's an example of an officer has the right to determine probable cause and the probable cause in that particular situation was just wrong and police officers are human beings they make mistakes i see it all the time good point and and so you know the the blinker and the tools and all of those things my guess is it was probably later in the evening or early morning, and the officer thought something was strange and made up a charge to stop what they thought was maybe a crime in progress. But, yeah, I mean, it happens. And in those situations, you take the ticket and you go and talk to the judge. Deal with it later. That's right. Yep, and you deal with it later.
SPEAKER 15 :
Okay. Paul in Denver, you're next. Go ahead, sir.
SPEAKER 10 :
How are you guys doing?
SPEAKER 15 :
Good, sir. Good?
SPEAKER 10 :
Hey. On that blood draw, I know Wyoming, they have the mandatory blood draw. You can't refuse it.
SPEAKER 17 :
Well, so this is, I don't know how Wyoming is, but Colorado is doing this as well, that the officers are going to get probable cause and search warrants for blood now. They're doing it pretty often in Douglas County on refusals. It's still being the refusal in Colorado, even if they get a blood draw. Okay.
SPEAKER 10 :
Okay. The reason. The reason I know, well, she's my ex-wife now. She got a DUI about two and a half years ago, and she refused everything. But the lawyer told us that they had to offer her one of the three ways of doing a sobriety or whatever. It was either blood, breath, or urine. They never offered that. They demanded blood.
SPEAKER 15 :
Hmm.
SPEAKER 10 :
And they took it to court, and she got out of it just because of that. But they held her down, and they held her down and took blood from her arm.
SPEAKER 17 :
Wow. No kidding. Yeah, so I'm seeing that this year there was a case that came out from the Colorado Supreme Court last year that basically is going to be tested relating to whether or not taking the blood is a valid search in Colorado when you get a search warrant. Previous to this sort of line of now the officer's going to get a search warrant, if you refuse, you just refuse. They couldn't do anything about it. I'm guessing the Wyoming case that Paul was talking about, Um, procedurally they have to give you options because some people don't like needles, so they don't want to get a blood draw. Right. And so then you do the breath test or urine or some other, other choice. Um, but when they don't give you any other choice and in Colorado, if the officer believes that it's relating to drugs rather than alcohol, they're the only test in Colorado is going to be blood. And so they, the officer can make that designation.
SPEAKER 15 :
I don't want to spend a lot of time here because I think it's nutty, but yet there's so much video out there now on this, and it just keeps getting bigger and bigger. And I get it. When you start watching one video, you get more of them on your feed and so on. But it's becoming a bigger deal, I think, just in general, Kevin, and that is the whole sovereign citizen nonsense where the cop pulls up and – You know, you don't have a license plate and you don't have a driver's license and you don't have this. You don't have that because I am I am not driving. I am traveling and I have the right to travel and I am a sovereign citizen, Kevin.
SPEAKER 17 :
Yeah. And unfortunately, that defense just doesn't go anywhere. Judges get really I've seen multiple cases over the years where the person is like, no, this is the case. Unfortunately, and the reason that that happens is you're still driving on a public roadway that's maintained by the government. So the government at that point believes it has every right to control you when you're driving it.
SPEAKER 15 :
driving on those roads and so you but kevin if i don't ever go to the dmv i heard this the other night if i don't ever go to the dmv and get a quote-unquote commercial driver's license because now once i get a license i've agreed to everything you just said but if i know if i don't ever go get a license i've not agreed to those terms and they can't do that that's what i heard the other night well yeah and that person you my response would be well then you can't drive on the public roadways so how are you going to use the vehicle
SPEAKER 17 :
When you're driving around on your 50,000-acre ranch somewhere, maybe that's different. But when you're on I-70 or I-25 driving with the rest of traffic, you're on a public utility. And at that point, the government has the right to monitor and control your... I mean, I've been told over the last 30 years multiple times that we don't have the right to drive. We have the privilege to drive on the roads, which I think as a taxpayer is a little ridiculous. But I also understand where the system is coming from, that it's a public endeavor.
SPEAKER 15 :
Well, you know, and constitutionally, we have the right to free movement. But, of course, nobody was driving then, so the founders didn't think about any of this end of things. And the reality is, honestly, Kevin, I think even if they had, I'm not sure they would have slipped driving into that free movement because, to your point, it involves so many other things that really all of us as taxpayers are contributing to.
SPEAKER 17 :
Yeah, I mean, it's the same way with air travel, right? I mean, I'd love to say that I don't have to show an ID to get on a plane, but... I do, and I get roughed up every time going through the detectors and everything else. Good point. So, I mean, that's a choice that people make is how fast you want to travel from place to place.
SPEAKER 15 :
Okay.
SPEAKER 17 :
So if you want to do it on a horse, you don't need a driver's license, but if you want to do it on a car, you're going to need... All right, anything else driving-wise?
SPEAKER 15 :
I'm going to switch over to some of the house stuff here before we end this hour and then continue on into the next hour, but anything else driving-wise that we may have missed?
SPEAKER 17 :
Um... You know, I think people, whenever they have interactions with police officers, have to recognize that these people, generally speaking, I deal with police officers all the time in courts and questioning them and motions hearings and other things, and the vast majority of the individuals who are working as police officers are really good people. And so there's been so much negative press about about them. And this is from a person that is adversarial to what sometimes what they do. They're still human beings and they're still trying to do good things and protect all of us. And they have a super hard job to do. So just keep that in mind when you have interactions with them. You have to protect yourself, but you also have to understand they've got a job to do and they think probably that you've done something wrong. Then let them do their job and don't argue with them. Don't try to get into a an advocacy role in that situation where it's just not the place on the side of the road to argue. Do that in a courtroom. Do that either on your own or with a lawyer, and you're going to be better served. And keep your statements to a minimum because what happens is People get frustrated or angry, and sometimes they say things. Now with the body-worn camera footage, everybody's going to see it.
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Don't do that. Okay, as we head, you know, 4th of July, not far away, Independence Day, I should say, and I might even probably most likely replay this program again prior to... So if you're listening, thank you. So as we're heading into that time of the year where they could do pop-up DUI, you know, roadside sort of things, Kevin, what's the rule regarding those? In other words, hey, I know there's one up ahead. Somebody told me there was one up ahead, and I'm going to avoid that. Can I? Do I have to go through it? If I do go through it, how does that work? And so on.
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Yeah, if you're able to see it in advance where it doesn't look like you're running from it, then avoid it. Um, if you're, you know, if you're in a line of cars with a bunch of other people that are waiting to go through the checkpoint, most likely if you try to pull you in and miss it, you're going to be stopped on the way as well. So I wouldn't do that. I would, um, I would, if you see it far enough advanced, try to get around it just like anything else. If it seems like it's going to be a problem, then avoid it altogether. You know, it's not any different than all of the different things that are going on downtown with, with these protests slash riots and everything else. If you know where it, If you know where it's going to be or where you think it's going to be, stay away from the area if you don't want to be involved with it. Same thing with these DUI checkpoints. Okay.
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All right, we are back. Kevin Flesch with us. He'll be with us until 530. His number direct, by the way, 303-806-8886. One last question, Kevin. I drive to Colorado all the time, live in a constitutional carry state, and don't have a permit. I usually keep the gun in my console vault, but will carry on my person. Am I towing the line?
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So on person, yes. In Colorado, especially Denver and Boulder, you have to be careful about having the weapon not so basically concealed. So you want to somehow not have it concealed and yet still have it concealed, if that makes sense. Right. And what I mean by that is that you don't want to have it sitting in the passenger seat. but maybe have it located somewhere where you can certainly get to it if you need it, and also to be able to make the argument that it's not concealed because you don't have a CCW. In those two particular counties, they're really adamant about not having guns in vehicles, and so I always recommend people, if you do live in Colorado, you have a CCW, and you're fine then. And if you don't, then it's more of an open carry sort of situation when you're in your vehicle. Gotcha.
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Okay. And, again, somebody asked the question, asked about – go ahead, Kevin, go ahead.
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Yeah, the other thing is when you're traveling like that, the other thing is going through different states. You have to look, if you do have a CCW, what the laws are in the state that you're traveling through as to how you can have the gun in the vehicle. You know, long guns normally are back in the trunk, that sort of thing. Handguns, I would always suggest carrying it on your person. That's probably the most defendable position to be in.
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One last question. If you refuse a field sobriety test and get a blood draw and it's clean, can the DMV still suspend your license? I'm not a lawyer, but that would be a no, right?
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So the only way the DMV suspends your driver's license is either the breath test or the blood test comes back above a .08. And so if your blood test comes back at zeros, DMV will never be notified. You won't have your license suspended. So it's an impossibility. Now, if you'd refused the voluntary roadside maneuvers, the standard field sobriety tests, those things are voluntary. So you can refuse those, and I recommend everybody refuse those. They then put the officer in a situation where they have to make a determination before you do these physical tests. And if you refuse, you're never going to do them, whether or not they have probable cause to ask you to do an actual chemical test, breath or blood. And that's the thing that causes you potentially to lose your license because of the refusal. The testing results themselves, now, let's say in a first offense, DMV takes your license, you're immediately able to get an interlock put in your vehicle and start driving with an interlock. So it's not like before where you lost months waiting for your license to be off the suspension. Now you're able to drive again, as long as you do those things to put it back in place.
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I put many interlock in when I owned my auto shops back in the day, so I'm very familiar with that end of things. Real quick also, here's one that said, once got cited when a wheel came off of my truck. I just pulled out of the Ford dealer. The cop and the DA said that I was the captain of the ship and still responsible. Luckily, it hit a car, didn't hurt anyone, went after the Ford dealer in civil court. Yep, and by the way, I'm not an attorney, but that's how you would handle that.
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That's exactly right, and you have a defense at that point. Yep. because I'm assuming they charged them with, you know, a defective vehicle or something like that. Probably. And I don't, I don't believe that's a strict liability crime, so I think they'd still have to prove that you had some knowledge of that defect. And if you didn't, then you defend yourself.
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All right, we're going to move to the home here as soon as we come back. So, guys, stick with us. If you have a question on the home side now, please give me a call or send me a text message. I should say 307-282-22. We'll be right back. This is Rush to Reason, Denver's Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560.
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All right. So first up, a Florida man was arrested after he ran right into a hotel. With his car. Can't do that. It was in Ohio. They tracked this Florida man down on Saturday. And they said, why did you crash into the Elyria Hotel and then flee the scene? Police officers were called. It was just after 10 a.m. I mean, he ran right into this glass wall with his Chevy Tahoe and then ran away from the scene. And they identified him, Simon Aguilar of Fort Pierce, Florida. He was a guest. And he originally, he said he allegedly moved the SUV to a nearby business after the crash. They recovered the vehicle and arrested him. No injuries, thankfully. Charges are still pending. You know, you're not going to run away from something like that. Just FYI. Okay. A man survives a bear attack in Gulf Breeze. What? People like to... There are a lot of bear in Florida. And you may not really think that because you're like, Florida, what? But there really are. And wildlife officials say that a man let his dog out early Thursday morning when a bear bit him on the leg. He called 911. Dispatch arrived to control the bleeding until the ambulance then arrived. Dispatchers helped him control until the ambulance arrived. The neighbor who lives a few homes down caught video of two bears walking in their driveway 20 minutes before the attack happened. Florida Fish and Wildlife is investigating. They say traps have been placed around the property and the bear will be humanely killed if caught. They say that relocating the bear is not a viable option because it'll put another community at risk. So that's kind of the danger of that. So it's not an endangered species. It's just one you've got to control. That's it. But good night. Oh, another day, another gator in Florida, this time in Sanford. They love walking up to doors and knocking on them. There's one gator we talked about last week that had a folding chair on its head. Well, now these gators walked up to another neighbor's front door. The alligator raised its head at one point. And video shows that officers approach because they immediately called Florida Fish and Wildlife and they were trying to use a rake. They were assessing the situation and the alligator growled at one of the officers. They were finally able to kind of get him under control and they relocate him to a retention pond. But they didn't have a trapper there with them, but they were able to they were able to get it. It took a little bit of time. And one of the neighbors said that cops were banging on my living room window, and they asked me if I had a stick. And then I checked my ring camera, and I saw a giant gator. I threw my doorbell camera. She couldn't even open her door. And she was like, I think you're going to need something more than a stick. So then she gave him a big old rake. But she said thanks to the Sanford PD because they had the situation handled. But they're most active gators from dusk until dawn. So basically... If you walk out at night in Florida and you're near water, you're probably going to get your feet chewed off by a gator. And then you're just going to be stumpy. And then you're going to have your stumps chewed off until nothingness. Then at one point, you're just going to be walking around on your knee stumps. And it just keeps going, right? It's like a Monty Python scene. Just be aware of this. Just be aware of it. Let's see here. This... Oh, I don't want to... This is so gross. Okay, so a Florida woman was locked into, she broke into a locked bathroom and attacked her boyfriend with a kitchen knife because he was texting some other ladies. He was texting some other ladies. He was she was charged with aggravated battery with a deadly weapon stemming from what officers said was a domestic dispute. It turned violent. The victim said he was using the restroom. 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It's about as dumb as this quote from Tim Waltz's daughter. Oh, boy. So the daughter of the Minnesota governor, Tim Waltz, is on TikTok. And I don't even know there's a running influencer. I hate the word influencer. They're just people online. So there's this lady that runs. Her name is Kate Max. I know nothing about her. I used to run the mile and two mile when I was in high school and college, and I have not ran for fun. I would only run if I'm running from a killer. That's the only way I'm going to be running anymore. I hate cardio. I just like heavy weights. Cardio is what you do in between sets. That's resting in between sets and getting your heart rate back at an optimal level. So... I didn't I didn't know there was this running influencer and they're mad. People are mad at her because she was at the White House and she did like a little short interview with the White House press secretary. So what this lady does is she does interviews with famous people and then runs while they do them. She did one with Tim Walz before. But people are mad at her because she featured Caroline Leavitt in one. And I guess that... And people were saying, that's disappointing. We can't even believe that you did this. And it's so horrible. And why are you platforming this? And they were just going on and on and on. And I... It was kind of wild to see this because she's interviewed from what I understand. I had to look into it. She's interviewed Tim Waltz, a number of Democrats, Hollywood celebrities like actors in that. But nobody objected until she featured Caroline Leavitt. Right. So Tim Waltz's daughter blasted her for platforming Leavitt. And in her video, she said she was disappointed that. And that because the administration is keeping people away from joining the running community by not combating climate change and cutting social funds, federal social funds. This is what her her quote is. Oh, my gosh. Should we just play it? I mean, this woman is is she's not the brightest tool or brightest bulb in the box. But she had said that you're sending people away without due process, villainizing minorities. I don't know what she's talking about. And she said, you're preventing people from getting into the running community. Like, what the hell does that even mean? No one's preventing it, you stupid half brain snowflake. No one's no one's preventing it. So because she talked to Caroline Leavitt, that's like somehow magically physically stopping people from going to run. What a stupid remark. And she said, it's damaging to society. We shouldn't normalize these people. Oh, heaven forbid you act like a grown up and talk to people whose opinions you don't share. If you are so scared of your inability and intellectual vapidness that prevent you from articulating a defense of your ideals, then that's on you, not on anyone else. Listen to this. This is stupid.
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To be in a good mental state to be able to run. All of those things are hard to come by. And if you have them and are a part of the running community, that is a privilege. And that, again, was the first thing he taught me. So I don't really understand how platforming and administration that... cuts, mental health services cuts, you know, funding and literal shipments to food banks, um, is entirely hurting the climate because you can get into running in the climate. That's a whole nother thing. Um, but it's kind of cutting, you know, funds to climate initiatives and actively hurting the planet in that way. Um, sending people away without due process, villainize Billionizing minorities. All of those things are preventing people from getting into the running community, which is what I thought Kate's platform was for. But it's also just damaging to society as a whole. We should not be normalizing these people. I'm not going to tell anyone what to do with their page, but I think it's insulting to my dad to leave a certain video.
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Oh, shut up, you stupid half-witted nipple baby. This girl clearly has been told that she's special when she's not. First off, can you stop saying stupid things like the running community? That sounds so stupid. You sound like a snotty, entitled, trust fund brat when you say the running community. You're just a runner. Shut up. You're just a runner. The running community. You don't have to sit here and create a construct that you can appoint yourself as gatekeeper of. That's why they use those phrases because they want to gatekeep people from participating in it. So you're just a runner. There's no like running community. Shut up. It's so stupid. And her platform is that this chick can do whatever she wants with her platform. This Kate Max or whatever her name is. She can do whatever she wants. She's interviewed Democrats and Republicans. I think it's hateful and bigoted for her to say that you can't platform people that don't share your viewpoints. That's a signal of weakness. You're signaling absolute weakness. You want to be accommodated and you demand a seat at the table. But by God, you don't want anybody else that you don't agree with to have a seat at the table. It's not because you object to their ideas. It's because you're too stupid to articulate an actual educated defense of your own ideas. That's the first thing I think. Actually, that's really what it is. It's not what I think. That's what it is. When they want to silence you, it's because they are too afraid. And this has been gosh, I've seen this from big companies. I've seen this when they want to silence you because they're afraid of you. That's what it is. They're afraid of you. And they're not smart enough to articulate a defense of their own of their own perspectives. It's pretty unbelievable. And I just this stuff that she's she's like, what is it? Climate running? What the hell is that? It's just called weather. You know, people have too much time on their hands. They create these super complicated issues where you don't have to have complicated issues like it. This doesn't make sense. No one told her she can't run. I mean, no one went out there and told his daughter, you can't run. Running community. I don't even know what this means. But it sounds like peak privilege is what it sounds like. It sounds like peak privilege. But the whole thing, we should not be normalizing these people, is bigoted. And it's hateful. running it's she goes running uh as an act as political is what she said i mean it's just a it's an exercise shut up and she says that apparently i guess what it's privileged you're privileged to have the time to run access to funds to buy the gear okay hold up i was a runner like varsity i set records what what gear do you need I think she's a fake runner. If you're talking about needing gear, you need a pair of tennis shoes. That's it. What are you talking about gear? Stop acting like a gatekeeper for something that anybody can do. There's no community for you to protect. But this is how they try to this is how they try to grift power by creating these little constructs to which they appoint themselves gatekeeper. Then that gives them some kind of a power and authority. Like there's it's not privileged to run. You just run. I could go out and run right now. Kane was telling me about a stunt that they used to do back in his early days in radio and they would have chicks running high heels. Anybody can run. I mean, it's very simple. So I know she's talking about here. I don't want this family plaguing us for the rest of. Our lives. I'm so glad that they lost. Can you imagine this chick? She would be all over the place elevating herself as like some sort of White House influencer. Gag me. Just done with it. Our partners that helped bring the show Make It Possible All Family Pharmacy. Great, great company. I love this website. I've used this website quite a lot. And we're seeing prescription costs lower. So we're not going to pay. We're basically not going to provide welfare for all these other countries by paying double and triple what they're paying. It's all about fair prices and fair access, right? So right now, All Family Pharmacy is offering a summer sale 20% off of your entire order. This gives you a lot of breathing room. You can visit allfamilypharmacy.com slash Dana. And on top of it, you got 20% off. Code Dana20 is the way you get it, 20% off your entire order. Right now through June, they're offering that 20% off site-wide. No insurance required. They got licensed doctors in all 50 states and fast shipping right to your front door. Everything that you need, your everyday meds, antibiotics, emergency kits, ivermectin, hydroxychloroquine, whatever you need, they got it. Visit allfamilypharmacy.com slash Dana for 20% off using promo code Dana. Don't wait for permission to protect yourself and your family. Visit allfamilypharmacy.com slash Dana and use coupon code Dana20 to save 20%.
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All right. So police in China arrested female authors of novels that in a crackdown on a fiction genre. They don't like if you're if you're homosexual, you get arrested over there. If you write something about Xi Jinping, you get arrested. If you like tell him that he looks like Winnie the Pooh, you get arrested. If you do anything that's not CCP approved, you get arrested. There you go. Most overpriced grocery store chains in the U.S. Guess who makes the list again? It's Whole Paycheck. Oh, I mean Whole Foods. The Economic Research Service. They're saying that food prices are going to increase by 2.9 percent. And that's as inflation is because we're still we're still trying to get out of all that. We've got to cut government spending. That's the way it is or it's never going to go away. But they said that, yeah, the Italy is at the top. Italy is one of them. It's not an actual grocery chain. It's more like an Italian market restaurant. 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A woman was caught making a PB&J sandwich during a Zoom court hearing. The judge scolded her because she was also in a bathrobe. She was in a bathrobe. This is in Atlanta. Making a PB&J sandwich. And the judge is like, you're late and you're not even dressed. What the hell? And you're making a sandwich? She literally had the phone on the counter and she was looking down at it. And you can see the peanut butter jar. I don't even know. What in the world? And China's turning to robots for elderly care with a national pilot program. Sure. Elderly care. And a woman was beaten to death by a robot. Culture. We have another fight. With the J.K. Rowling trans stuff. So they're doing a Harry Potter reboot because Hollywood's out of ideas. And they have a new Harry Potter series that they are doing. And we've talked a little bit about it before. And they were casting. It's the HBO series. And they have a new batch of actors playing all of the original roles. And John Lithgow is all this Dumbledore. And they have Mark Rylance, who's apparently going to be... And he's really good. He's in... Wolf Hall. He's really good. He's apparently going to be cast in it. And I think you've got a couple of British actresses. I think Rachel Weisz is taking over as well. She's going to be I think she's going in. I think she's taking a role in it, too. And they Nick Frost is Hagrid. That's a good cast. And everybody was critical of the guy, Papa Isidore, that they cast as Severus Snape. And it's not about race. It's because Severus Snape is if you're not familiar with the story, Severus Snape, he was a baddie in the beginning and he was running around with Voldemort and the Death Eaters. And the Death Eaters are basically the Ku Klux Klan, the Nazis and all. It's a it's a archetype of every bad guy ever. Right. It's and they all look a certain way for a reason. So it's, you know, an archetype of every bad guy. And it all comes down to the worst identity politics, right? Identity politics is putting race and all of that above everything else. The Death Eaters were considered pure and everyone else who wasn't pure were called mudbloods. And it was very important that Severus Snape looked the way he was because that was part of his identity. It's like having Dave Chappelle play a Klan member. Right. Like in the in his Chappelle show. I mean, that's a joke. So they have an African actor who is playing Severus Snape and it completely. takes that whole huge part of Severus Snape's moral compromise out. And it ruins the character because he is pale and he's this, that's like very emphasized in the story, not as a positive, he uses it as a cudgel against everyone else who is less than. So you are rewriting her story. by blackwashing that character. It's like having Mulan played by Paris Hilton. No offense, but you see what I'm saying? You're retconning something about a character that makes them who they are. And that is actually offensive to the original story and it dumbs down why he's so scary, why he's so shifty, why he's so untrustworthy, why he's so dangerous. And that was one of the she's reacted to that. And he's just decided, I guess he's going to go into this full jack wagon because he has signed this letter on trans rights. It was an open letter supporting trans rights against J.K. Rowling. And he's already really feeling his oats. Right. Like he's you know, he signs this letter and he like they went went directly against. I'm not saying you don't have your own viewpoints. But to immediately spit in the face of the person who created your living is an entitlement that only certain people. It's an indulgence, an entitlement that's an indulgence for only certain people. And. I think some people, when they do stuff like this, they wrap themselves in identity politics as a way to deflect accountability for their stupid decisions and rudeness and ridiculousness. I'm not going to watch this series. It already sounds like trash. And it's sad because some of the cast is good. But that's one of the cast members that his story and his appearance... Play very much. It's like redoing the story of Hitler and having somebody that personified everything that he was against play him. You undercut the dangerousness of the bad guy and you dull down the redemptive arc that he has later. I just think it's stupid that they're doing this stuff.
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Join us as we explore a heated discussion that took place between Tucker Carlson and Senator Ted Cruz about isolationism, the US-Israel relationship, and the influence of religious beliefs on political actions. A stimulating dialogue that steers through the thorny issues of anti-Semitism, foreign lobbies, and military actions against Iran, this episode navigates through these contentious topics with intensity and insight. Alongside the debate, listeners also receive a glance at the feedback from audiences nationwide and the impactful work of the Prison Fellowship Angel Tree Summer Camp campaign.
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He's the happy conservative warrior, Mike Gallagher, broadcasting across hundreds of radio stations nationwide and seen on your trusted conservative TV network, Salem News Channel. Here's Mike.
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Moments ago, Fox News Channel's Chad Pergram posted on X that Missouri Republican Congressman Mark Alford on Fox Business said, I want to see someone finish the job. Whether it's Israel, whether it's the United States, we've been dealing with these Islamic terrorists for 43 years. It's very clear. I was in the Middle East last October, Jordan, Saudi Arabia, Egypt. The leaders there want something to be done. They want normalcy in their region. They want good trading partners. He said, Israel has the Ayatollah on the ropes. We've got to cut off the head of the snake. We've got to eliminate their nuclear capabilities. My district is home to Whiteman Air Force Base, he said. I was there two days ago right in front of the B-2 stealth bombers. They are locked and loaded and ready for the president's command. What will the president decide? You know, there is a great debate in America over what our role should be, and perhaps the debate is best exemplified by a two-hour conversation between Tucker Carlson and U.S. Senator Ted Cruz. It was riveting. And I urge you to watch the whole thing, but I want to share with you as much of it as humanly possible. It was sometimes contentious, but throughout the whole interview, smart, compelling, informative, and passionate. Here's a little bit of what it said. And this hour, I want to just tell you, settle in and enjoy this, because I'm going to play a whole lot of this extraordinary conversation between Tucker Carlson and Ted Cruz yesterday on Tucker's channel. Here's cut one.
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It's interesting you're trying to derail my questions by calling me an anti-Semite, which you are. I did not. Of course you are. And rather than be honorable enough to say it right to my face, you are in a sleazy, feline way implying it or just asking questions about the Jews. I'm not asking questions about the Jews. I have, there's nothing to do with Jews or Judaism. It has to do with a foreign government.
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Isn't Israel controlling our foreign policy? That's not about the Jews.
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You said, I'm asking you.
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And by the way, you're the one that just called me, I think, a sleazy feline. So let's be clear.
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It's sleazy to imply that I'm an anti-Semite, which you just did. No, I just said, why is that the only question you're asking? You answer it. Give me another reason.
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If you're not an anti-Semite, give me another reason why the obsession is Israel.
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I am in no sense obsessed with Israel. We are on the brink of war with Iran. And so these are valid questions. But you're not asking about Iran or the Ayatollah. You asked me why I'm obsessed with Israel. Yep. Three minutes after telling me that when you first ran for Congress, you elucidated one of your main goals, which is to defend Israel. Yes. And I'm the one who's obsessed with Israel. I don't see a lawmaker's job as defending the interests of a foreign government, period. Any government, including the ones that my ancestors come from. So that's my position. That does not make me an anti-Semite. And shame on you for suggesting otherwise. And I mean that. And that's low. And you know it's low.
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Wow. Now, you know, there is a great, I think, intriguing dialogue here. as to whether or not it's anti-Semitic to oppose aiding Israel. I suspect that for some people that's the default. But on the other hand, we've witnessed anti-Semitism in the streets of America. You're waving around a Hamas flag saying essentially death to the Jews. Well, I'm going to go out on a limb here and call that anti-Semitic. But the role of AIPAC. came up in this interview. And I wanted to share this part with you as well. This is something that a lot of people who oppose standing with Israel invoke. They don't like people's involvement with AIPAC. This came up in the conversation. Is AIPAC a foreign lobby?
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No, it's an American lobby. It's the APAC stands for the America Israeli Political Action Committee. What is it lobby for? So, to be honest, not a whole lot effectively. Listen, I came into Congress 13 years ago with the stated intention of being the leading defender of Israel in the United States Senate. I've worked every day to do that. APAC, a lot of times... AIPAC, I wish were much more effective.
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Their folks online were in the fever swamp of terrified of AIPAC. I'm not terrified of AIPAC at all. You're the one who seems a little uncomfortable when I'm asking this. No, I'm not uncomfortable at all. I'm just asking what AIPAC does. My understanding, having known a lot of people about AIPAC, is that it lobbies on behalf of the Israeli government. Wrong. Oh, okay. When was the last time AIPAC took a position that deviated from Prime Minister Netanyahu? All the time. Okay.
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Let me go back and give a little history. If you want to do a deep dive on AIPAC. I don't. I want to do a shallow dive.
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I want to get to the core question. AIPAC is lobbying for a foreign government.
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It's not. It's lobbying for the United States. It is lobbying for a strong U.S.-Israeli relationship. Okay. So it has nothing to do with the foreign government. It wants America and Israel to be closely allied.
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Okay, but it's lobbying on behalf of the interests of another country.
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So that's not true at all.
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It's not true. How much contact do you think AIPAC leaders have for the government of Israel? No idea.
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I imagine some. I think the government of Israel is often frustrated with AIPAC because AIPAC is not nearly strong enough.
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Do you think there's any coordination between the government of Israel and AIPAC?
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Do they talk? Sure. If you're lobbying for more U.S.-Mexico trade, would you talk to people in the U.S. and Mexico and the government? Sure.
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So I'm not mad about that. There are a million countries that lobby Washington. I like a lot of those countries, including Israel. But AIPAC are Americans. They're not Israelis. Hold on. There are tons of Americans who lobby on behalf of foreign governments. I know them. I'm related to some of them. I know how it works. I'm from here. So my question is not, is it outrageous that foreign governments lobby the United States? They all do, including Israel. My only question is why don't we admit that is what's happening? You're denying it, but it's true. Because what you're saying is false. Why aren't they registered as a foreign lobby?
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Because they're not. Okay, ready to get deep? Want to get spiritual? Whoever blesses Israel will be blessed. Whoever curses Israel will be cursed. You've heard me say that a lot. It's from... The good book, it's from the Bible. That came up in this conversation between Tucker and Senator Cruz.
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Number one, as a Christian, growing up in Sunday school, I was taught from the Bible, those who bless Israel will be blessed, and those who curse Israel will be cursed. And from my perspective, I want to be on the blessing side of things. Of those who bless the government of Israel? Those who bless Israel is what it says. It doesn't say the government of, it says the nation of Israel. So that's in the Bible. As a Christian, I believe that. Where is that? I can find it to you. I don't have the scripture off the tip of my. You pull out the phone and use it.
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It's in Genesis. But so you're quoting a Bible phrase. You don't have context for it. You don't know where in the Bible it is. But that's like your theology. I'm confused. What does that even mean? Tucker. I'm a Christian. I want to know what you're talking about. Hey.
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Where does where does my support for Israel come from? Number one, because biblically we are commanded to support Israel. But number two, hold on.
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You're a senator and now you're throwing out theology. And I am a Christian. I am allowed to weigh in on this. We are commanded as Christians to support the government of Israel. We are commanded to support Israel. And what does that mean? We're told those who bless Israel will be blessed. But what? Hold on. Define Israel. This is important. Are you kidding? This is a majority Christian country.
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To define Israel, do you not know what Israel is? That would be the country you'd have asked like 49 questions about.
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So that's what Genesis, that's what God is talking about. The nation of Israel, yes. So is that the current borders, the current leadership? He's talking about the political entity called Israel?
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He's talking about the nation of Israel. Yeah, nations exist. And he's discussing a nation. A nation was the people of Israel.
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Is the nation God's referring to in Genesis, is that the same as the country run by Benjamin Netanyahu right now?
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Yes. Yes, it is. And by the way, it's not run by Benjamin Netanyahu as a dictator.
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It's a democratic country. He's the prime minister. Right.
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But just just like, you know, America is the country run by Donald Trump. No, actually, the American people elected Donald Trump. The same principle is silly.
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I'm talking about the political entity of modern Israel. Yes. And that is you believe that's what God was talking about in Genesis. I do.
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But but that country's existed since when? For thousands of years. Now, there was a time when it didn't exist and then it was recreated just over 70 years ago.
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I'm saying I think most people understand that line in Genesis to refer to the Jewish people, God's chosen people. That's not what it says. OK, it is real, but you don't even know where in the Bible it is. So I don't know.
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I don't remember the scriptural citation, but I keep like Genesis 16 or something like that.
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But yes, it's in the earlier part of the book. But the point is, it's important to know what you're talking about. I don't know what you're saying. As a Christian, if I believe in Jesus, I have to support the modern state of Israel.
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I'm not saying that you don't. I'm explaining for me what my vote motivation is.
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Okay, so I'm just trying to understand. You said God tells you to support the modern state of Israel in the Bible, in some place in the Bible that you heard about, but you don't know where it is. That's your theology?
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You're going back, am I a sleazy feline again? If you accuse me of anti-Semitism again, I will say that, but I don't think you will.
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Wow. See what I mean? See how good this is? Coming up, I'm going to play clips from... The two of them debating what it means to be an isolationist. Ukraine, Russia, the cost of war, spying, quality of life in America. I told you it was good. You're not going to want to miss a word of this. And if you want, give me some feedback as to who you think. Did the best because on social media, boy, you hear Tucker slammed Ted Cruz. Ted Cruz mastered it and just obliterated Tucker. Give me your feedback on the MyPillow text line, 800-655-MIKE. I'm not going to take a lot of on-air calls because I want to play a lot of these clips. But I want to get your feedback. Feel free to text me what you think. 800-655-MIKE. 800-655-6453. Because, oh yes, we've only just begun. phd weight loss has changed my life and i've got a little secret for you you know big pharma and semaglutide and the shots in the belly you've seen the story recently about the study that shows that a lot of people that are getting this are going blind you don't want to do this you want a program to lose weight that's centered around science and nutrition a proven roadmap that has helped over 8 000 clients lose weight and keep it off like me i lost 53 pounds a few years ago and i've kept it off i know what to eat and when i know how to quiet any of the cravings i might get and release that that finally release that unhealthy belly fat that i carried along for so long make the phone call that can change your life and the way it changed mine it's called phd weight loss phd weight loss dr ashley lucas's program is brilliant and how do i know well 53 pounds later here i am 864-644-1900 is their number. Call and schedule your consultation. You can do this program from anywhere in America. Call 864-644-1900, 864-644-1900, or visit MyPhDWeightLoss.com.
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Mike Gallagher.
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My MyPillow text line is exploding with feedback. California, Tucker is a jerk. Connecticut, I would say right now Tucker and Ted Cruz, a tie, need to hear more, okay? Ask and you shall receive. Here's Tucker and Cruz talking about isolationism and regime change. Again, if you're just tuning in, I want to play a lot of these clips this hour. I want you to hear a bunch of this, what I consider to be fascinating, riveting interview that Tucker conducted with Senator Ted Cruz yesterday on Tucker's platform. Here we go.
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I'm saying if it's true that Iran is trying to murder Trump, we need to move militarily against Iran immediately. That's not isolationism. That's the most – that's a cult of violence, which I am calling for. If we believe that Iran is trying to murder our president, we need to strike Iran.
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OK, but isolationists say things like, well, then just nuke them, which is what you just said, which is kind of a weird –
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Because I'm taking you seriously. You don't take your own statements.
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I take my statements very seriously.
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So I've asked you, where's the evidence? This is true. And you said they're trying to assassinate Brian Hook or something, which I'm against, by the way. I'm against hurting any American, period, no matter.
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So you dispute that they're trying to murder. I'm not disputing it at all.
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I'm not disputing it at all.
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They literally arrested the hitman with Bolton.
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I'm not. I don't know why that's even relevant. I'm asking about the president of the United States.
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It's not relevant that Iran hired hitmen to murder cabinet members in Trump's administration. That doesn't go to how credible is it that they're willing to spend money to do that.
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I'm totally opposed to that. It's awful. I am against killing anybody, actually, and especially foreign government. I'm asking about your allegation and the prime minister of Israel's allegation that is that Iran is trying to murder the president.
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Killing terrorists is a good thing. Killing people who are trying to murder Americans is a good thing. Because if you're America first. You want to protect America, and so taking out... Killing Osama bin Laden was a fantastic day for the world.
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But you don't really believe that they're trying to murder Trump? Yes, I do. Then why aren't you calling for military action against Tehran right now?
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Because they're not very effective. In terms of hitmen, their hitmen are not very effective. I do think... Oh, so they're hitmen, but not the bad kind, the efficient kind?
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No, they're just... What are you saying?
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They're a weak country who is on its knees, and I think we need to... Then why are we so afraid of them? Why are they the biggest threat if they're a weak country that's on its knees? Because they're trying... I'm trying to keep track. They're trying to develop...
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Be a little less snarky. I know you're right.
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That is a problem that I have. I'm sorry. They're trying to develop nuclear weapons. They are close to developing nuclear weapons. And even a weak country with a nuclear weapon. Look, I believe there is a very real possibility if the Ayatollah develops a nuclear weapon that he would detonate it. either in Tel Aviv or New York or Los Angeles. And that would be utterly catastrophic. And I don't know what the chances are of that. Let me compare and contrast Iran to North Korea.
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Wait, can I just ask one last question? I'm trying to kill the president. You sincerely believe you promise that right now the Iranian government is trying to murder our president. Yes. And she'll be like right now. Absolutely. And yet you were not calling for military action against the government that's trying to murder our president. Can you explain that?
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Uh, I don't think they're very effective. I do think we should. By the way, America is. You're willing to take that risk. I think we should protect the president and we should take out our enemies. Israel is doing that right now. But aren't they? Why would we? And by the way, your first question was why we have a regime change. That's a pretty good example of why I'm for regime change.
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OK, so you're saying we should just go in and take out the government of Iran. Why would we outsource it to Israel if they're trying to murder our president? OK, you sound like the isolationist.
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That was that rare moment of introspection from Tucker when Senator Cruz said, can you knock off the snark? He said, yeah, you're right. He also apologized for his, you know, actions or the way he interviews in another part of the interview.
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What's the war in Ukraine? I think Joe Biden's aggression caused it. His aggression? What aggression? He demanded that Ukraine join NATO. How does that help the United States?
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It is a terrible idea, and I have vigorously opposed Ukraine joining NATO. Okay, so that's what caused the war. No, it's not. Do you want to know what caused the war? Look, you do the dismissive. You're not actually interested in facts. You're like, okay. OK, tell me.
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It seems super. You're absolutely right. And I'm sorry. That is a tick of mine that is wrong. And I mean this with sincerity. I'm sorry to do that to you.
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My question is about results, because I think it's relevant to what we're seeing now in Iran. You look back after having you personally voted to send billions and billions and billions of U.S. tax dollars to Zelensky to support a civil service in the war against Russia and all this stuff. Can you say that what you did worked?
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So I can say what I did personally, sanctioning Nord Stream 2 worked and prevented a war. And if Trump had still been there, if the sanction had been in effect, there would be no war. I'm in favor of avoiding wars.
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But once the war broke out, you voted to fund it. to the tune of billions and billions and billions. And to be clear. And did that work?
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OK, to be to be clear what I voted for, I voted for the initial tranche of funding and then I voted against the subsequent one. So it hasn't worked. So I've been in between. I haven't been on the full Ukraine, full throated hawk side or the anti from day one. I voted for the initial tranche of funding because I wanted Russia to lose. I think the Biden administration administered it in a horrible way. I think they wasted a ton of money. And I think what they did was actually incoherent because they were funding both sides of the war. And I was very vocal and among other things, flooding one hundred million dollars to Iran, which was used, among other things, to help the nuclear program, but also to make drones that Russia used to fight.
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So here's my concern. I'm not going to defend the Biden administration really did a lot to wreck the United States. At the end, where we sit now, Russia is stronger. It's closely allied long-term with China. I don't know that Russia is stronger. I don't think that's right. I think it's pretty obvious that it is. But it's certainly not destroyed. And it's allied long-term with China. Maybe.
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Look, there's no doubt Biden's foreign policy drove Russia into the arms of China, and that's concerning. They also have a long history of animosity.
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Western Europe is weaker and more in debt. The United States is weaker and much more in debt.
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It's good stuff. Speaking of Russia, they talked a little bit about the flack that Tucker once got. He went to Russia and, you know, showcased how clean and safe and how nice the subways are. Senator Cruz brought that up in this fascinating conversation yesterday.
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I wonder, I mean, is there anybody who was alive in 1989 who wouldn't trade that America for the one we live in now? There's not one person, I don't think. Oh, sure. But I mean, just the basic metrics, debt, suicide rate, life expectancy. It was I wonder why after that victory, America didn't. thrive in the way that we thought that it would, that I thought that it would. My family was involved in that. I mean, we were very focused on it in my house. We won. And I wonder two things. Why didn't the United States kind of declare victory and make some sort of arrangement with Russia that allowed mutual prosperity rather than continuing a Cold War. And second, I wonder why the United States didn't get a lot better. Like, why don't we have better infrastructure? Why don't we have fewer homeless? Why do we have all these drugs? Like, if we won, why does our country look like this? I walked across from Union Station this morning, as you do, I'm sure, every day. And all those people lying in the street and sleeping outside. It's like, what is that?
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Look, there's no doubt there are really dangerous forces in our society. Some of it is politics and some of it is culture. And one of the mistakes people make in politics is thinking everything is politics. So the political answer, which I happen to believe, is is we went much further down the road of liberalism. You look at Bill Clinton, who inherited the peace dividend of the Cold War being over and and. moved us more to the left, and then Obama accelerated it a lot. So there are lots of bad economic policies, but I also think they're cultural things. You know, the loss of faith, the loss of family.
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I know what you're going to say, and I agree 100%. I bet there's not one word that I would disagree with. All I'm saying is I think it's important to step back and ask. But I actually think Russia has very little to do with it. So that's kind of the point that I'm trying to make, which is like we're all sort of focused on beating our adversaries abroad. But what is victory worth if our own country becomes what it is now? And maybe we're spending a little too much time focused abroad and not enough time focused on the people sleeping outside Union Station.
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So, look, I absolutely think we need to focus at home emphatically and we need to focus on prosperity. We need to focus on reducing the debt, reducing spending, empowering people, low taxes, small businesses, American free enterprise. It's the most powerful force for fighting poverty the world has ever seen. I'm a thousand percent there. I also recognize it is a dangerous world. And part of the responsibility of leaders, part of President Trump's responsibility is to keep America safe. Let's go back to where we started.
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But can I ask, you've been in the district a long time in D.C., so have I. And the city's way more dangerous and Congress runs this. No, no, it's a complete crap hole. So I'm saying, like, no Iranian's ever going to kill me, but I could get carjacked here. And I just don't understand how the Congress could run the city and focus on the dangers of Iran when the city is like garbage. It's garbage. But Congress doesn't run the city.
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We could. Congress does run the city. It's in the Constitution. It's in the Constitution, but they've given home rule so it's a Democrat mayor. You can take it back. You control the Congress. I'd vote for it, but it is a question of math.
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OK, but I'm just saying, like, why? How can people ignore? It's like if my own kids are drug addicts, but I'm focused on my neighbor's kids, it's like I'm neglecting my own kids. And there's a sense in which the Congress is neglecting the country that elected them in favor of this relentless focus on other people's problems. That's the way it feels as an American.
SPEAKER 08 :
I enjoyed this so much, and I really did. I enjoyed the exchange immensely. I tend to side policy-wise with Senator Cruz. I think one of the tells that it's such a compelling conversation is that as my text line from my pillow is getting bombarded with opinions about who did better than the other, it's pretty well divided down the line. It might have to do with ideology. I don't know. But a lot of people think that Ted Cruz held his own just fine. A lot of people think Tucker mastered the conversation and made Ted Cruz look bad. Look, whatever side you're on, you just cannot escape a compelling, provocative, I think, informative conversation with two points of view that, frankly, are opposing points of view. But I like having both of those points of view At the table. I like both seats at the table.
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SPEAKER 03 :
Mike Gallagher.
SPEAKER 08 :
Let's dive right back in. I want to go back to Russia. This was fascinating as Ted Cruz and Tucker Carlson, the two-hour debate that I wanted to showcase for you here on our show today. Russia, Putin, and Ukraine.
SPEAKER 06 :
Have you questioned any of your previous assumptions? Did you play any... So what is it costing us? Have you...
SPEAKER 07 :
questioned any of your previous assumptions did you play any role in this at all are you responsible at all of course and like you you said what if you learned of like you you said you've changed your mind i voted for the first funding of the ukraine war and i voted against every subsequent funding stream because it wasn't working and i looked at what was happening and said this is not working And had the money been spent in an intelligent way and not wasted and had it been successful, I might have been willing to fund more. But it wasn't successful. So I voted no. And the war is going to end. Look, President Trump campaigned on ending the war. I think he's frustrated because Putin has been less than eager to reach a deal to end the war. But it's going to end. You're not going to see another dollar coming from.
SPEAKER 06 :
He wants to end the war.
SPEAKER 07 :
I think Zelensky has behaved horribly. I think his Oval Office meeting will go down in history as the worst Oval Office meeting of any leader that has ever come to the Oval Office. I think he behaved like a pompous ass. And I think he is unrealistic. I think Zelensky spends his time with Nancy Pelosi and Chuck Schumer in the New York Times, and he believed he was going to the Oval Office as a resist figure. And I think he's doing real damage to his country right now. You described him many times as a hero. I don't believe I don't recall ever using the word hero. I will say, look, I'm not I'm not a Zelensky cheerleader and I'm not in the business of saying everyone we support has to be a saint and everyone we oppose has to be a villain. I'm not in the morality game. I'm in the U.S. interest game. Why did I want Nord Stream 2 stopped? Because it would strengthen Russia and Russia's our enemies. It's entirely U.S. interest.
SPEAKER 06 :
Did you support the industrial sabotage against it, blowing it up?
SPEAKER 07 :
So I think you believe America did that. Is that right? Of course. OK, I think the chances of that are zero. You think Russia did it? No, I think Ukraine did it. OK, so I don't know. So I don't know who did it in terms of the theories that have been put out there. Um, the idea that Russia blew up their own pipeline never made any sense to me at all. That that just I can't even articulate why they would do that. The idea that Biden did that. Look, I could see it being in U.S. interest to do that, to blow up Nord Stream two. I just think Biden was too weak. I don't believe Joe Biden.
SPEAKER 06 :
But are you and I guess you and so so that the Norwegians, the. The Ukrainians, NATO, whatever.
SPEAKER 07 :
Look, that leads me to, you know, who benefits? And it leads me to think either the Ukrainians blew it up or Ukraine's allies. I don't think Biden did because I just Biden was so weak. I don't think he would give the order. I find that implausible.
SPEAKER 06 :
But you're in favor of it.
SPEAKER 07 :
Look, I was in favor of stopping it. I think I think blowing it up is a was a good thing. So so I'm I'm supportive of that. But I don't think America did that. I don't think Biden gave that order. But in general, I'm giving that order. But he wasn't in office.
SPEAKER 06 :
Yeah. And you think that the largest act of industrial sabotage in history helped our allies in Western Europe or other fellow NATO members?
SPEAKER 07 :
Look, I got to say, I don't understand. For some reason, you are really invested in defending Russia. And I don't get that. I'm not attacking you with that. I'm genuinely like I don't get why you're you're so passionate about defending Russia.
SPEAKER 06 :
Actually, I was defending Western Europe, the home of my ancestors, and that, you know, tripling their energy costs and destroying their industrial base. No, not like. You just accused me of being an anti-Semite, an isolationist, and a Russia lackey. I've not called you a neocon once, which you are, but I haven't said that.
SPEAKER 07 :
I think that's absurd. Yeah, those neocons that oppose the Iraq war.
SPEAKER 06 :
Okay, right. But, like, that's dishonest. Okay, but I haven't called you that.
SPEAKER 07 :
Well, you just said, which you are, so you just called me that. You just did.
SPEAKER 06 :
I guess what I'm saying is you're triggered because I use name calling. I get it. I was triggered when you called me names. And I'm triggered once again that you're calling me a Russia defender when, in fact, I'm defending Western Europe. And I don't think that you think this is our enemy. Well, he's literally our enemy.
SPEAKER 07 :
You are funding a war against him. Do you think he is? You're saying we're his enemy. Do you think Putin is our enemy?
SPEAKER 06 :
I think it is a tragedy that your policies, your policies, specifically yours, helped drive Putin into the arms of China, forming a bloc that's larger than you won't answer that question. I don't. He is literally our enemy right now. That is a tragedy for the United States.
SPEAKER 07 :
You're saying but you won't say he is our enemy. And look like I don't know in what sense.
SPEAKER 06 :
I don't want to be enemies with Russia. It doesn't help us at all. It may help some people in the United States, but in general, I don't want to be.
SPEAKER 07 :
with russia i don't think it is in our interest to be at war with russia with china that is a disaster but listen no doubt and i want russian china attention so i agree with you there but but i think putin is a kgb thug i think he is a bad man now i don't want to go to war with him over that okay but but i'm not naive and like i watched he's a bad man he's a bad man okay look i watched your episode where you went to the russian uh grocery store and was that disloyal do you think It was just weird. It was like a promo video for Russia. I don't understand. I'm not attacking you when I ask why, because I'm genuinely like, I don't get the thought.
SPEAKER 06 :
Like when you called me and said something, you weren't attacking me, you were just noticing. But may I ask you a question? So here... Well, let me just answer yours by saying the United States, the Biden administration, with your help, full support, began this war on Russia in response to their invasion of Ukraine. And one of the things they did was they kicked Russia out of SWIFT, of the International Financial System. And my first response was this is going to really hurt the U.S. dollar, which it has. And I hope someday we can have a conversation about that. It's really, really hurt the one thing that we needed, which was to retain dollar balance. So I was interested in the in the economic condition.
SPEAKER 07 :
By the way, that's a reasonable point and a serious conversation.
SPEAKER 06 :
I'm aware. I'm aware. And I was. But I can agree with you. Like, like, no, no. But I was accused of being. I think it's weird that you went to a Russian grocery store and said it was prosperous. No, my point is, it looked like it looked like a commercial. Isn't this wonderful? It was an argument against the efficacy of sanctions, sanctions against Russia, which you casually and enthusiastically. imposed scoring a little moral victory every time had no material effect that helped the United States. Russia is backstopped by China. And when you can, I recommend that you go there and see it. It is way nicer than Washington, D.C.
SPEAKER 08 :
I will say that as far as the text messages go at 800-655-MIKE, a lot of people sharing feedback, 800-655-6453 on the MyPillow text line. I'd say public sentiment is more in favor of Ted Cruz than Tucker Carlson. All I know is I'm pretty good at what I do for a living. I know that. I mean, I'm not the best, but I think I'm pretty decent, pretty skilled. I wouldn't want to debate either one of them. want to go one-on-one with Ted Cruz or Tucker Carlson. But I love getting to go one-on-one with you and be surrounded by great people and great messages too. Like the message about my accountant, my CPA. A guy named Dean Owen. Gosh, is he good. And I know that a lot of you are reaching out to Dean. He's a true leader in tax and financial strategy. In fact, he's going to start joining us. I've invited him on the show maybe every couple of weeks to talk about Roth IRAs and investments. This guy's amazing. In fact, Accounting Today has ranked Dean Owen as one of the top financial advisors and CPAs in the country. And I know that because he's my CPA. I know the kind of job he's doing for me. He specializes in reducing your tax burden. He builds a financial and tax plan with you that's aligned with your values. Don't wait. Call Dean Owen today, 270-554-0720. Get that conversation started. My CPA can be your CPA, too. And he's one of us. You'll love him. 270-554-0720. Call 270-554-0720. Or visit OwenCPA.com. OwenCPA.com. All right. Tomorrow from New York City. Wish me luck. Pray for me. Godspeed and all of that. Thanks for joining us. Have a great, great Thursday. Be safe and keep fighting the good fight. I'm Mike Gallagher. God bless America.
SPEAKER 05 :
I hope her sister kept her big mouth shut. Nancy Wilson of Heart, so talented, so great, such a great band. And not long ago, Mike said, oh, it's really embarrassing to be an American right now. And I'll never be a shut up and sing or shut up and play person. Because if I say it about Heart, it means I've got to say it about Ted Nugent. Say what you want. Do what you want. Welcome, my friend. How are you? Busy times in our industry.
SPEAKER 08 :
Well, they really are. And there's a lot of tension. There's a lot of concern about what's next in this war. You know, our friend and colleague Hugh Hewitt writes over at Fox News that the most important decision of President Trump's life is before him. And, of course, I had a friend who rather cynically said, boy, your buddy Hugh and the neocons are pretty excited about dropping bombs on Iran, aren't they? And, you know, I get that take. It's best exemplified in the two-hour interview that Tucker gave to Ted Cruz. And I'm going to tell you right now, right flat out, I'm going to just tell you right now, Everybody inevitably will take sides. Oh, Tucker was a jerk. Oh, Ted Cruz was unprepared. Oh, Ted was great and he bested Tucker. Put that aside for a minute. It's a master class in two incredibly smart men laying out positions for what is a complicated issue. I know that we got the tease of the minute of, you know, the stupid gotcha question and all that. But the two hours, Mark. It's great. It's fantastic. In fact, let me give you a little mention. Let me just share with you one of the things. I'm paraphrasing here. But at one point, Senator Cruz was clearly frustrated. And he said, Tucker, would you stop with the snark? Would you just knock off the snark? It's kind of my point. Well, you want to know what Tucker said? He said, you're absolutely right. It's a quirk of mine. I do it too much. I'm working on doing it less and I got to do better at it. And I'm like, that's the kind of raw, you know, passion that they both brought to the table. And, you know, and look, Senator Cruz was brilliant. I mean, you know, you're never going to best Ted Cruz in a debate. But you're also – it's really hard to push back against Tucker's interviewing technique because he's very good at it too. And there is resistance within our – Our tribe, there are people who are worried about us taking the ball off illegal immigration. Fair or not? Okay, I get that. I think we can do two things at once.
SPEAKER 05 :
I do too. Wait, wait, pause on that. And I get this all. We will get calls. You will get calls. I will get calls. Something big will happen in the news. Something. Not as big as a raging war, but some big thing will happen. Invariably, I'll get 16 calls and 43 texts. Yeah, Mark. I think the reason this is happening is so that we won't pay attention to this over here. 15 things can, especially these days, haven't we learned that 25 things can happen at once? There's nothing about the Iran-Israel conflict that means we've stopped paying attention to the border.
SPEAKER 08 :
I agree with Hugh and with Senator Cruz and with many others who believe that if President Trump orders our military to destroy the most hardened targets in Iran's nuclear weapons and ballistic missile programs, he's going to end a war that began since, you know, the first Ayatollah Khomeini. You know, we're going back to 1979. Okay, pause on that.
SPEAKER 05 :
I hope, because I, too, and I don't think we're not in a different place on the spectrum, I don't think. We begin with, and it's not through any type of hero worship or cult-like thing, my base setting, my default setting is trust of Trump. He has more information than either you or I have, and his instincts, I think, are sound and good, and his heart and his mind are solid. That said... If it's an American crew and an American bomber that drops that bunker buster on Fordow and takes out that nuclear site, there's all kinds of good things about that, all kinds of reasons to do that, 100%. Two things that I don't know happen, that I don't know. Number one, the regime just falls, or the Iranian regime all of a sudden goes, oh, we're so sorry, we'll be better now. I don't know that that happens. And the other thing that I also don't know that may be a terrible thing that might happen is what's left of the Iranian war machine starts lobbing missiles at every American installation they can find. So be careful what you wish for. That's not me saying don't do it. It's me saying it might not be as tidy as some people think.
SPEAKER 08 :
Well, it's fair. And it also confirms the complicated nature of all of this. You know, you talk about a regime change and toppling the current regime. The mullahs, who's to say that the ones who replaced them aren't going to be worse? You know, you just don't. Happened in Afghanistan.
SPEAKER 05 :
Happened in Libya.
SPEAKER 08 :
That's right. And best case scenario is that the people of Iran who want a democracy will rise up, you know, and there'll be supposedly there's some Iranian, you know, leader living in Virginia right now that's willing to go back. I think it's the Shah's grandson. Reza Pahlavi. Yep. Yep. But look, what we can't afford and what I believe in, and I'm with you, my default is trust Trump. He's been saying for years, probably 20 years, he said, I've been saying this for 20 years, we cannot allow Iran to get their hands on a nuke. Look what they're doing now. They just bombed a hospital in Israel. Now, look what Israel's doing. They're bombing military targets. Israel's going after nuclear sites and terrorist military sites. They're not trying to kill civilians. No. that this is what iran is committed to wiping israel out and wiping us out you know so in a way this is our war and we can pretend it's not but i also don't want to pretend that the counterpoint of you the the other view is not existent i don't i and there is a real knee-jerk inclination for people to say, oh, there's no division. Yes, there is. Yes, there is. Don't say that. Tucker Carlson, whatever you think of him, Tucker Carlson has millions and millions of supporters.
SPEAKER 05 :
No doubt. And there are shades along this spectrum of people who are going, okay, you might think that's a great idea. I don't know how great it is. But the notion of MAGA world split in two irreparably is wildly overstated and just wishful thinking on some parts. Did you hear the gentleman I talked to leading up to our segment? Sorry, I missed it. There was something Tucker-esque about it in the following way. And a wonderful gentleman. He can call me back any time. Some pretty sound, solid points to make. But the people on the other side, just as Tucker thinks you're stupid if you disagree with him or you don't care about the details of regime change is entire. By the way, you're so 100 percent right. Listen to the two hours. Tucker is so smart and so great. Good Tucker comes out way more than than jerk Tucker. It's really, really important. But the very title of his post was Ted Cruz wants regime change in Iran and doesn't care about the details. That kind of condescension and snark, like you said, is just not helpful. The gentleman I spoke to, very thoughtful, said that to be all in for whatever that even means to be really boldly in support of Israel. or for Christians to consider Israel to be religiously significant, that that constitutes Israel worship. I was like, dude, don't do that. It's so condescending, you know?
SPEAKER 08 :
This was a huge chunk of the Tucker Cruz showdown. Ted Cruz said something that I've said for many years, and I think you have too, right from the Bible. Those who bless Israel, I will bless. Those who curse Israel, I will curse. Well, Senator Cruz invoked that, and Tucker just bagged all over that.
SPEAKER 05 :
And Tucker's a person of faith.
SPEAKER 08 :
Tucker's not some agnostic right here. And then that got legs on social media where people were making fun of Senator Cruz. An actual senator is quoting the Bible to defend foreign policy? But see, isn't that interesting, though? You and I are like, well, duh. However, it's true. And we do have a spiritual alliance with Israel. And Tucker doesn't seem to see that at all. I mean, honest to goodness, that was probably five minutes, riveting minutes about whether or not it's appropriate for a U.S. senator to invoke biblical admonition about our support of Israel. And Tucker just could not believe it. He said, well, what do you mean? Modern day Israel? Benjamin Netanyahu? You think the Bible's talking about today's military in Israel? We're talking about the state of Israel.
SPEAKER 05 :
And Senator Cruz kept saying that. So what do we mean? Let's take 60 seconds on what we mean by that in 2025. I'm never going to use something biblical to say that that is the one sole beacon for some foreign policy, constitutional, strategic thing I want to do now. But it helps to inform the importance of that country to me, to America, to our – and I know that we're a country of many, many different religious faiths. So it's not like that's the one thing, the guiding beacon, nor does it mean that anything Israel does is magically right and proper and good. Not at all. It just means that against this backdrop, that in a Judeo-Christian rooted country, there is significance here that goes beyond the global strategies of the moment.
SPEAKER 08 :
We have many, many reasons to defend and stand with Israel. And that's one of them. I think it's one of the most important ones, frankly. But I don't want to ignore God. Tucker wants to dismiss God.
SPEAKER 05 :
You knock yourself out. Can you do something? You literally have two minutes. It might take all two minutes for you to do it. And you've got to do it because I said I was going to make you do it. Explain the Karen Reid trial to me. Who's this woman? Why do I care? Why does it lead national newscasts?
SPEAKER 08 :
It's a fascinating story. I can give you 30 seconds because I also want to tell you about something really important about what's going on in New York right now with the protests. Karen Reid, this is a woman who was charged with murdering her Boston police boyfriend one wintry night a few years ago. It was a blizzard. They're all out drunk. She's drunk. He's drunk. They're all drunk. There's a bunch of cops involved. The accusation is that his fellow officers had some nefarious role to play. He was found dead in the snow. There's a fascinating documentary about it on HBO about, I think it's called Man in the Snow, but she was found not guilty yesterday, and what was crazy was in the courtroom where they had cameras when they read the not guilty verdict, you could hear the roar of the crowd outside.
SPEAKER 05 :
She had a huge gathering of She has millions of supporters. Is it right that she was acquitted? Why was the prosecution of her flawed? And again, it's a local crime story, a salty and bizarre one to be sure.
SPEAKER 08 :
It's one of those fascinating stories. It's a Jean Benet kind of a whodunit kind of a mystery.
SPEAKER 05 :
Yeah, but that's a beauty question.
SPEAKER 08 :
queen kid and it's weird well this is cops this is corruption allegedly of the cops these are cops that were covering up for one of their own they were railroading her allegedly uh you know they were planning evidence a whole thing it's it's pretty fascinating i knew true crime mike would have the answer oh i know but but true crime mike is not decided on her guilt or innocence so i gotta give it i really it's one of those and i hate those kind of things i normally like to say yeah you did it No, you didn't do it. I don't know.
SPEAKER 05 :
We like to tie a bow around things in a tidy way. All right, protests in New York. Go, the people with the Iranian flag wrapped around in Times Square. A massive crowd with the Iranian flag. What are they thinking?
SPEAKER 08 :
Mark, here we go. Well, there we go again. I mean, it's official. No matter how evil or how diabolical Hamas is. Iran, the left is going to celebrate it. The American left. I mean, what's next? Hitler and Satan? I mean, there's no low for them. There is no low they won't go, Mark. The Iranian flag. What do you suppose that's about?
SPEAKER 05 :
Does it look like just New York randos? I mean, it's not like Rashida Tlaib was out there, you know, emceeing the thing, was it?
SPEAKER 08 :
Well, what I know is AOC is celebrating this Democrat socialist who might become the next mayor. And Mark, just mark it down. That happens. I ain't ever going back to New York.
SPEAKER 05 :
Because this is the guy who says, I'm going to freeze your rent. I will set up. What do you say? I'm going to set up city funded books.
SPEAKER 08 :
And already John Katsimatidis, who owns Gristiti, said, if that happens, we're out. We'll shut down all the Gristitis.
SPEAKER 05 :
Grocery stores. Exactly right.
SPEAKER 08 :
Grocery stores.
SPEAKER 05 :
To regulate the prices.
SPEAKER 08 :
$30 minimum wage. $30 an hour. Social workers instead of police.
SPEAKER 05 :
Correct. Defund the police.
SPEAKER 08 :
Yeah, that'll work. Show up with your comfort doll rather than a gun when somebody's stabbing you to death. I mean, oh yeah, this guy's not. But by the way, you want to know the option?
SPEAKER 05 :
Yeah.
SPEAKER 08 :
Cuomo. Andrew Cuomo. I know, I know. He's back. I mean, he was like unbelievable. All right, well, I'll be in New York today and tomorrow. Okay, wow. I'll be there tomorrow and Monday, so pray for me. And we've got a lot of challenges ahead of us, but we'll get through it all.
SPEAKER 05 :
And we're glad to be walking through them with you. Always so glad to do it every day. Love you. That's our buddy Mike Gallagher. He is on as soon as we're done, 10 o'clock right here on 660 AM The Answer. For full shows, live and on demand, it's the Seattle News Channel.

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SPEAKER 26 :
He said I was going back home to make a ceasefire. Not a ceasefire. We're long beyond ceasefire. And I said, why do you say that? Why would you say ceasefire? It's a bad term to use. Because a ceasefire means like everything's going swimmingly. We'll take a little time off. It's not. We're not looking for a ceasefire. We're looking for a total, complete victory. Again, you know what the victory is? No nuclear weapon.
SPEAKER 22 :
So I thought it was a very badly worded statement by him, and obviously I let him know that he... So POTUS is talking about this latest as it relates to Israel and Iran, and apparently it looks like we're going to be participating in it. We're going to have all of the latest with us, and then we're going to talk about some of the stuff that's on the right as well. I'm... We live in really weird times. And I just, I don't, I'm trying to understand a lot of the analysis that some on the right have of this. But we're going to get into that. We're going to get into, we got some cultural stuff. We got some crazy immigration. And then POTUS also signed an executive order for TikTok because he extended the deadline for TikTok. If you remember, it was supposed to, What was it? I mean, it was going to be closing for 90 days. Now he's extended this deadline. A lot of us are asking, why? Are we extending that? I just don't trust anything. I know that they are saying that they have to sell, but, and the fact that China won't sell to me is, well, it's like, well, why won't you, if you really want to, if it's about doing business, then you should have no issue with that. And I also think that it's You know, it is a national security issue. And then we have to talk about the issue of Juneteenth because, again, it's the same stuff. So welcome to the program. Dana Lash with you. Channel 347 is how you can watch the show, stream it, the radio show. You can watch radio now. This is a crazy world that we live in. And then we also have Rumble, the chat at Rumble. Where to start? Because there's a lot to hit. If you get the newsletter, that's one of the things that you, I mean, you get all of this stuff every single day in the morning. So you kind of understand some of those things that we're going to be hitting. So the latest, he had threatened the Supreme Leader. I liked his tie today. apropos of absolutely nothing. I liked POTUS's super yellow tie. Don't know if it went with that shade of blue, but I loved the yellow tie. It was neon. It was unexpected. It looks nice. Anyway, so he was threatening the Supreme Leader to stop attacking Israel because the regime, what was left of it, was still kicking off. But if we're going to get involved in it, And they had already destroyed another nuclear reactor yesterday, the ARAK, the Iraq nuclear reactor. That was already destroyed. If we get involved, it would be, from what the limitation is, everything that POTUS has said, then it's about specifically just going after, it's not regime change, it's going after just specifically the nuclear facilities. That... I am less concerned about that than I am almost really the TikTok thing. This is audio soundbite 10. The president said yesterday, yeah, you know, now they want to meet. He called him, I kid you not, the Criatola. He said he's always, I call him the Criatola. Play this. This is amazing.
SPEAKER 26 :
Go ahead. Look, they should have made the deal. I had a great deal for them. They should have made that deal. 60 days we talked about it. And in the end, they decided not to do it. And now they wish they did it. And they want to meet, but it's a little late to meet, but they want to meet. And they want to come to the White House. They'll even come to the White House. So we'll see. I may do that. But it's a shame it could have been done the easy way.
SPEAKER 22 :
And it's a show of force that's been building up. We told you yesterday that another carrier is headed towards the Middle East, where you have the Nimitz and you also have you have the Gerald Ford that's headed towards the Middle East. You also have the USS Carl Vinson that's there. You also have the USS Nimitz that's there. So you're going to have three carriers. Now, from what I understand, one of the reports that I read is that the Vincent is going to be leaving. So this, the Gerald Ford, is going to be replacing the Vincent. The Nimitz was set to replace it. It had an event out in Vietnam on June 20th. Obviously, that was canceled. They were all redirected. towards the Middle East. And so now this third carrier is going forward. And my understanding is that it's a big deal, but it's going to be replacing the Vinson. And we have a lot of ships that are leaving our ports in Bahrain as well, all as a show of force. And then on top of it, we have apparently the doomsday plane arrived at Joint Base Andrews in D.C. It's the E-4B Night Watch. And the last deployment to D.C. was on September 11th on 2001. It is the nuclear attack doomsday plane. Now, I think that this is all, I think it's all posturing. Although that's not to say that Trump wouldn't authorize a strike. The way to interpret this is that it's peace through strength. He very much believes that. And I don't think it's bad to be like, hey, we have all of this capability. We can get you anywhere. I don't think it's bad to say or have that position on any of it. It's fine. But, you know, the issue of the strike is something that's entirely different. It's viewed by some as an act of war that she would need Congress. There's a lot that goes in here. There's very limited evidence. There's arguments for and against being able to eliminate, especially if the intelligence that they're operating on, if the intelligence that they're operating on is accurate and, oh, my gosh, they're going to have a nuclear weapon in a matter of days, which was what was originally presented as justification for. I think that Israel was already justified in striking back and retaliating to Iran's direct attack, which bypassed the Houthis and Hezbollah and Hamas. But it is the, I guess, quantity and the targeting areas. So they had a right to strike back. But I think also... The level of pressure that was applied was justified by the intelligence that they reported having that they were just days away from having this nuclear capability and apparently still have one facility. It's that Fornow facility that's buried deep underground. I just to remind everyone. I was thinking about this yesterday when I saw all of these arguments over the positioning of Iran and the threat that they pose to the United States of America. I was thinking about this. First, I thought, did I make this up in my head? And I hadn't. I hadn't made it up in my head. Do you guys remember the video that Iran's regime published? It was a huge video that they published showing how they would assassinate Trump. Do you guys remember this? The video? And it was on Kamini's, the Aitola's official website. He put it on his official website and it showed aerial footage of Mar-a-Lago. And it showed Mar-a-Lago literally in a scope of a gun. It showed them, it showed it from, you know, a gunner on a chopper. It showed POTUS literally playing golf and crosshairs over him. Not kidding. You guys remember that video? I remember that video. At first I was like, am I making this up? Maybe I'm making it up. No, that video actually exists. They did that. And this was in retaliation for Soleimani. They were livid. And they had POTUS, and it was all like these poorly digitally rendered people. And it also showed this, a drone attack. And so that's how they showed that they would take him out, is a drone attack. And it showed him flying over and crosshairs on Trump's head. Craziness. And I thought, hmm. And it said, revenge is definite. Revenge is definite is what they had said. Oh, my. That was the video and it had the Ayatollah's his little logo on it because he stopped. They actually had a graphics department put his little Ayatollah logo on the video at the end of the video. So that's they came out with that. And then, of course, they were behind at least one assassination plot. And the White House says it was two, but at least one assassination plot. Now, that's in addition to having killed thousands of, you know, over a thousand Americans. attacking our troops, targeting our assets. I mean, this is not up for debate. I guess people pretend that Iran doesn't fund Hezbollah and Hamas. Now, I'm not telling you that this is what I believe is justification for some sort of invasion. I think that's a stupid argument made by people who are trying to set up a straw man because they can't articulate a reasonable position against that of the White House. You don't have to agree with it all the way, but I'm telling you, this is what happened. So this idea that it was like some toothless entity, well, that's not accurate. It isn't accurate. So this is going to be some of the debate on the right, which is not going to be a focus of the radio program, but it's one of the things we're going to touch on. So I just remember, you remember that video now, Cain, right? I mean, they literally put crosshairs on the president of the United States. And POTUS never did that. They never did that. The White House never did that. So the Ayatollah, and he put it on his actual account. I think he had it on his ex-account. And his ex-account for which he had never been suspended, which was fascinating to me. So in addition to this, and we're going to come back to it, we have this executive order extending the deadline for TikTok. And that was just that was announced today as well. A lot of questions about this. Some say that it's absolutely illegal, that it's illegal to do. I'm looking at the memorandum that he had. He said, I just signed the executive order extending the deadline for TikTok closing for 90 days, September 17th. Thank you for your attention to this matter. And it talks about the national security interest stake. It's basically saying you need to come to a deal and be purchased by a U.S. company or we're going to have to ban you in the United States. It seems like it has gone on for quite a long time. Right. Like this has gone back and forth for quite a long time. The problem is that there is a federal issue. I think that they. Even if he did ban it, I think they would contest it. And I actually think that he would have some trouble legally with this. This is where it gets really weird. And we have this asymmetrical warfare and also digital, the digital aspect of it. And then you're trying to balance that out with individual liberty. You're trying to balance it out with freedom in the republic and the existing law. The existing law as it is. The government's not really... You have to really make a good case to intervene within business and demand that they sell things or price things a certain way etc etc and so there's some concern with that aspect there's also concern with the aspect of this is not really an app it's designed as an app. It looks like an app. It behaves like an app. They advertise it as an app, but it does collect information on everybody that has it, and they report it back to Beijing. That's not up for debate either. I mean, they've basically drawn pictures to accompany their previous statements about this. So, There's that aspect of it as well. It is used as a psyop against Americans. There have been studies on what the algorithm shows Americans as opposed to what the algorithm shows the Chinese and different people in different countries. And it does absolutely within the algorithm promote a lot of really interesting. divisive and incendiary content so there's i understand that argument as well so we're in this weird area of asymmetrical warfare and balancing it out with the pillars of freedom for this republic and it gets hairy and people want to get emotional about it and i've noticed that hardly anybody can talk about these issues without devolving into some sort of might all commercial So we're going to hit some of these points here coming up. We have headlines as well on the way. And we've got all the latest for you as we move our Super Beats, the Super Boreen product. If you are unfamiliar with it, well, let me tell you. It's like, you know, you know the Super Beats. 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OK, so speaking of China, which we're just talking about, the Trump administration closes a Biden era loophole that let China scoop up our DNA. It's a crackdown. It's a flow of American DNA to labs in China and other adversaries. So apparently the FDA previously allowed for the outsourcing of research that involved the genetic manipulation of our living cells to China. What? And they would be reimported into the U.S., sometimes with the knowledge of clinical trial participants. What? First off, who do I bill for any DNA? I don't know if I've ever I don't know if I've ever participated into it, but they said that it's people who I've never I think you have to be in a clinical trial, which I've never done. So they allow that that DNA to be sent over, I guess, under the guise of over researching it, etc., but. But now they've had this policy change. This is crazy. We've been cracking down on this diversion of American genetic data to the Chinese military in a while. But it and it's a Shenzhen based group known as the Beijing Genomics Institute. It's the world's largest genomic sequencing company. And the Commerce Department blacklisted them because they had five affiliates that apparently were aiding in the, quote, surveillance by the government of China. So that's a real thing. So just put that on your burner to put that on your stovetop. A map shows where 250 million acres of public land is being sold off. If you were wondering whether or not it was going to go back into your pockets because you overpaid in taxation and stuff. No, but it's apparently what they're doing is they're they're using it to offset tax cuts. And the tax cuts are only for four years, all of them sunset in 2028. They're not made permanent. That's what's crazy to me in this bill. So that's Bureau of Land Management had a little memo that they had issued about that. And Newsweek wrote about it. Let's see here. Whoopi Goldberg likens living in Iran to being black in America. You know, in Iran, they do have gay pride. My friend said they have gay pride parades in Iran, but they're vertical and they start from the top of a roof. Oh. Yeah. And and all this other just so stupid. Ozzy Osbourne says that you need to clone me because his DNA is bizarrely sold to fans. I saw this one thing where it said this one guy said, oh, I accidentally ate a little bit of sugar after nine o'clock and I ruined all of my X, Y, Z. Apparently, Ozzy Osbourne drank like gallons of vodka a day and here he is still alive. just saying like some people are not the same we've got a lot more in store i'm debating on whether or not i want to play this audible aids sound bite coming up stick with us summer is all about making great memories backyard barbecues road trips lake days even just relaxing in a hammock with a good book spending time with friends and family catching sunset views but if you're living with pain Those future memories can be stolen from you. It's kind of hard to enjoy the simple moments when you're in pain. So here's a thought. Try Relief Factor. Relief Factor is a 100% drug-free daily supplement designed to help your body fight pain. It's a doctor-developed formula made with natural ingredients. And unlike pain meds that just mask it, Relief Factor works to reduce, even eliminate, your pain for good. So whether you're spending time at the lake or chasing your kids or grandkids or just enjoying a summer stroll, Relief Factor can help you feel better, move better, and do more of what you love. Reclaim your summer. Visit relieffactor.com or call 1-800-4-RELIEF to get the three-week quick start for just $19.95. That's 1-800-4-RELIEF. Fight pain naturally with Relief Factor.
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I love this question. I do believe that if war in Iran is on the agenda and that appears so, get dishonorably discharged. Who cares? Who cares? Why should you go die in a foreign land? You now have the benefit of 2020. You can see, think about those men and those women who died because they were pitched that they were serving their country because there were weapons of mass destruction, right? They were serving their country because the Taliban, they were serving their country, whatever. And these people gave up their lives and ask yourselves for what? And the answer to that question is for the elites. They're like toy soldiers. And I would have said a few weeks ago that Trump would never do that to you. He would never just throw you into an Israeli war. But right now our planes are flying in the sky and things are going nuclear. So I don't I don't have that confidence anymore.
SPEAKER 22 :
I this is the kind of reasoning that I expect from someone who launched her career like just a few years ago at the side of Al Sharpton and who got started doxing Trump. people who said things that she didn't like online. That's literally how she started. I avoided playing this audible aids for you. But I feel like we got to address it because it's one of the stupidest things I've ever had the misfortune of hearing. And I apologize for killing your brain cells by playing it on my program. But I mean, this is first off, that's a felony. You know, telling people to get dishonorably discharged kind of a crime. You can't do that. Furthermore, that whole segment rests upon a completely hysterical, hyperbolic premise that no one forwarded. No one is saying to go and fight in the Middle East in a foreign war. Nobody's saying that. Nobody's saying that. The only people telling you that are these sorts of people. And I'm trying. No one said it. No one has said this. Not even the administration has said this. No one in the White House has said it. What is this weapons of mass destruction that she's talking about? Oh, my gosh. What is that?
SPEAKER 11 :
She said 2020. Maybe she was referring to 2002. I don't know.
SPEAKER 22 :
Yeah, I'm not I'm not quite sure what that means. I don't really know. But that's that is to tell soldiers to refuse lawful orders. And then she also applauded that she applauded that crazy dude that Aaron Bushnell, who set himself on fire. She applauded him as being some sort of American hero and that our military was involved in the ethnic cleansing of Gaza. And he committed suicide to reveal that truth. That's kind of asinine. I mean, you know, you could have leaked that to a left wing website if it was even remotely accurate without setting yourself on fire. I mean, that's like getting your male copulatory organ stuck in a fan because you forgot you didn't know how to correctly interpret the instructions. I mean, it's like that level of illogic. You know what I mean, right? I mean, oh my gosh, I tried to put this fan together and make it work and I got my, you know... Okay. I'm just... You have to sometimes use absurdity to highlight absurdity. I don't know. And I'm just trying to figure out what in the... Why are you applauding Aaron Bushnell for setting himself on fire while you're also simultaneously telling troops to ignore... you know, their lawful orders within the military. I mean, I can kind of see why she separated from Daily Wire and it had nothing to do with the fact that Ben Shapiro is Jewish. It just sometimes it has to do with the fact that, you know, some people are back crazy. So that's... No, I didn't. I didn't. I didn't have to. We can have an argument about whether or not the word reading is accurate. So I don't know. I think that just some people have a problem with Jewish people. And I don't want to sit here and peer into the souls of others, but I kind of think that she's one of them. Kind of seems that way. I don't know. I know her. I've known her for a number of years. I've always been kind of like a little hesitant because I know how. She came up and I'm all about people being persuaded and welcoming people to the team. But when it happens so quickly and there's no explanation for it, I kind of get nervous about it being a grift. You know what I mean? And I think that's a fair thing to say. Like if someone all of a sudden starts like parroting phrases on the right and they're claiming to be with you on this mission. And you're like, what do you mean? I've never literally never seen you in the trench. They claim to be with you on the mission, but yet there's no explanation for how they came to that position. That's not someone that I immediately want to like have as like an influencer because I don't trust why. And this is exactly the reason stuff like this. No one is no one is talking about at all whatsoever about going and going in and getting involved in in in. Invading Iran. No one's talking about that. No one's saying that they have to. Israel's nonstop of their nonstop campaign of murder, blackmail and what? This is the stuff that she's tweeted. She she repeats the same stuff that I hear Hamas say. She repeats the same stuff that I see Hamas put out on social media. And I just I find a problem with that. I have a major problem with that. You these people that say that they disagree with Israel, they probably couldn't even explain Israel's government structure. I mean, I'm going to go ahead and pull a full Tucker Carlson. You know, you probably it's like, can you really talk about faith? Can you name all the books of the Bible? Can can can you? But I do think it's important because if you're saying that you, the reason that you're saying all of this, you know, you're spitting these invectives is because you dislike the government. Half of these people can't even tell you who the president of Israel is. It's not Netanyahu. There's a news hint. It's not Netanyahu. It's different. There's different, you know, different government structure. My point in saying that is that you always hear people say, oh, I have a problem with this, problem with that. And then when you ask them for specificity, the answer is always, oh, I'm going to repeat Hamas propaganda. Wait, what? Like, I thought you were going to talk about actual policy that was passed or, you know, specific to Israel proposals that were adopted by their government. This idea that responding to an onslaught of never ending terror attacks is somehow an aggressive position is not just gaslighting. It's propaganda. It's wrong. It's disingenuous. Line is a sin. You know, Jesus is king. And it's propaganda. That's the thing. So I'm not quite sure what in the world is happening here. I will say, too, that some of the people are going after Ted Cruz because he was saying that, oh, well, apparently Christians... He didn't come out right out and say it, but he was talking about, well, Christians are obligated to defend Israel. They're not. But also at the same time, all of these people that are claiming, oh, well, the New Testament cancels out the Old Testament. You need to go back to Sunday school because it actually fulfills the previous word. And this is what Jesus talks about in the Gospels, which these people who love to say Christ is king without knowing what Christ actually said and why he's king. The New Testament doesn't cancel out the Old Testament. Jesus makes that explicitly clear in the Gospels. So I would advise some of these people to go back to the Bible that they like to stand on and preach from, actually open it up and read it before they start giving unprovoked sermons on things that clearly go fly right over their head. But this issue that, oh, well, Christians were up, they're not obligated to do anything. But this is a strategic foreign policy position. End of. End of. And we'll see what the White House does. I think a lot of people are claiming that they know what Trump is going to do. I think that he's posturing for sure. And I think that's that's very Sun Tzu to posture, to get the outcome without firing a single shot, to posture and get the outcome that you want without expending a single resource, to posture and get the outcome that you want without losing a single American life further. That I think that that's a great strategy. And these people that are watching this and that are interpreting this as, oh, well, this is exactly what he's going to do. They need to be silent and observe for a little bit longer. Now, I just go ahead and get into it. Can I just point out that ever since this audio soundbite happened, I think Tucker's been weird. Can we play this? Go ahead and kick it, Juan. Let's just go ahead and just light it all up.
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The presence of evil is kick-starting people to wonder about the good. That's what happened to me. That's what happened to you? Oh, yeah. I had a direct experience with it. In the milieu of journalism? Nope. In my bed at night. And I got attacked while I was asleep with my wife and four dogs in the bed and mauled. Physically mauled. Okay, can I... In a spiritual...
SPEAKER 22 :
He said, yeah, it was a spiritual attack by a demon. So you got scratch marks on your arm and you were in bed with four dogs? Could have been my dog. It's probably a demon. Just saying. Ever since then, it's been a little dicey with Tucker. Kane.
SPEAKER 11 :
Yeah, I mean, you've noticed a slight difference in some of his positions and aggressiveness.
SPEAKER 22 :
So you're saying that he got attacked by a demon and now he's acting like demon-possessed?
SPEAKER 11 :
I'm saying he has admitted that that's what he believes to happen.
SPEAKER 22 :
Let me add that I don't disagree with spiritual warfare. I mean, there's a reason why, if you can read the tattoo on my arm that I've had for over a decade, I absolutely do believe in it. However, I just think that maybe if you're in bed with four dogs... and then you get like Claude, that maybe, maybe it might, now hear me out, might be a dog and not a demon, Cain.
SPEAKER 11 :
All right, but hear me out. It might be evil. The dog? It might be a demon. What if it's a demon-possessed dog? Your own dog in your bed is not going to claw you to death. That's not how it works.
SPEAKER 22 :
I mean, Occam's razor.
SPEAKER 11 :
I'm not interested in discounting the possibility because I know that this is, when boiled down to the basics, it's good versus evil. That's what we're in right now.
SPEAKER 22 :
So you're saying that now he's saying dumb stuff because he was attacked by a demon and possessed?
SPEAKER 11 :
No. Why are you putting words in my mouth?
SPEAKER 22 :
Well, I mean, where does this logic go? Where does that go? What do you mean logic?
SPEAKER 11 :
My logic is he experienced a year and a half ago, according to that clip, an attack by a demon. He believes attacked by a demon, not his dogs. And ever since that time, a year and a half ago, think about it, it tracks. He's actually been... A little different. And now a lot different than he was prior to a year and a half ago. So you tell me. It could be just coincidence.
SPEAKER 22 :
Or it could be that dogs have claws and he was in bed with four of them.
SPEAKER 11 :
Why are you denying that evil exists?
SPEAKER 22 :
I'm not, but why are you denying that he was in bed with four dogs and they have claws?
SPEAKER 11 :
They do, but that dog's not going to claw you.
SPEAKER 22 :
So you're saying that, oh, but you're closing the door. No, no, no, no, no. Hold up, hold up, hold up, hold up.
SPEAKER 21 :
Do you even know the name of his dog's cane? Do you know what color his dogs are? Because how can you even talk about that if you don't even understand the number of dogs and the color and the names of them?
SPEAKER 11 :
You got me there.
SPEAKER 21 :
What?
SPEAKER 11 :
You definitely got me there. Gotcha.
SPEAKER 21 :
My whole point is that.
SPEAKER 22 :
I mean, maybe it could be the dogs. You're in bed with four damn dogs. Maybe it's a dog. I'm just saying.
SPEAKER 11 :
My point is maybe it's a demon. No, I was attacked by an Israel.
SPEAKER 21 :
Hey, I was attacked by a demon and the demon told me Israel's bad. Wait, what? No, I'm just saying. I'm just throwing it out there.
SPEAKER 11 :
But I mean, look, people have experienced some really odd, negative, evil stuff in their day. Oh, believe, I know.
SPEAKER 22 :
Yeah.
SPEAKER 11 :
They relate to what Tucker's saying. They wouldn't discount what he's saying as crazy or anything like that.
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Well, my whole point of bringing this up is that it's interesting that after that, now it's all different. And I just don't... Is it coincidental or is it... I mean, there are people who are putting paperwork out there saying, here, he's paid by Cutter and all this other stuff. I'm not going to dive into someone's financials, but there's a lot of questions that are being raised. I'm going to tell you guys, there are a lot of people on the right that are getting paid and they're not disclosing it to you. Good point. The left, too. Oh, my gosh. The left. Unbelievable. The right is starting to get into it. And it's like people like the ones I'm talking about that they you know, and there's there's receipts all over the Internet about it. Just nobody cares enough to talk about it or people are just like, oh, what does it matter? I think it matters when you're told stuff like this. Right. When there's an attempt to affect change policy wise and they're trying to persuade the public. Answer me how that's any different from the Ministry of Truth that the Democrats tried to push over on you. Is it supposed to be different because it's a bunch of social media people that claim to be on your side? I don't see a difference in it. If you're on the right and you're getting paid to promote this nonsense and you're getting paid to do some of the stuff that we're hearing about and talking about and you're not disclosing it, how are you any different from that annoying theater broad who wanted to head up the Ministry of Truth and say that this was whatever was disinformation? It's the same damn thing. We have more on the way as we roll towards the conclusion of this first hour. Oh, there's more to come. And as we do so, our partners that bring you the program, it is our friends over at Preborn. This is a great organization that helps so many women. You know, there are a lot of good people out there who do good things. And Preborn doesn't just limit to women. You know, donations and things like that, although that's what they're doing. They're they're providing ultrasounds to women who are facing unplanned pregnancies. And I got to tell you, these women have everything against them. Society's telling them they're not empowered enough to raise a child. They're telling them that they should be scared. And so women, they have their fear ratcheted up and then they're forced into making decisions that they probably wouldn't make if they knew they had other options. And so what preborn does is they allow them to hear their their baby's heartbeat. Studies have shown that when a woman hears her baby's heartbeat, that baby's chance at life doubles. But they don't just stop there. Right. They partner with these women for the first two years of their lives, making sure that they have everything that they need. Are your doctor's bills set? Do you have a car seat? Do you have enough diapers? Do you like the little things that drag out and make the days long, but the years of being short and they meet these women where they are and they make sure that their families get the best start in life. That's not just saving lives. You're saving a family. You're saving a legacy. And that's what's amazing about what Preborn does. Everything is 100% tax deductible, and they have a four-star charity rating, so you can give confidently. Let me just tell you, they want 1,000 ultrasounds for this month. They're a couple hundred short. One ultrasound is just $20. Five ultrasounds is $140. Every dollar, every penny goes right to that. So it's going directly to these ultrasounds and to these women. It's amazing. And it's so easy to give. You can dial pound 250. It's hashtag for you millennials. You can do pound 250, say the keyword baby, or visit preborn.com slash Dana. The goal, 1,000 ultrasounds in the month of June. Everyone can help save a life.
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Like sands through the hourglass, so are the days of the United States.
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For the LGBT and HIV project, the ACLU joins me now. It's good to have you here. I can imagine this is a pretty intense day.
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It is an intense day, and it's intense to watch my clients talk about their experience as parents. And you and I are both fathers, and I think we, as many other parents have, have had the experience of sitting in our doctor's office with our child and our doctor and making decisions together about what our children need. And what this case is about at its core is that Tennessee lawmakers came into that doctor's office and decided they know best and displaced that careful reason judgment.
SPEAKER 22 :
You can grow them. those parents in Tennessee. I mean, a chick. You're still a chick. The face is too soft. The jawline is too soft. When they were zoomed out, I was like, looks like a dude with facial hair. Okay. But when they zoomed in immediately, even before he started talking, I'm like... And then when she started talking and I could hear it sounded like somebody sucked up helium if they were a dude. No, that's a chick. It's a trans lawyer. I don't know who this lawyer is and I don't care.
SPEAKER 11 :
It's Chase, believe it or not, the last name, Strangeo.
SPEAKER 22 :
Yeah, well, that makes sense. Saying that, oh, they're going to ban all gender-affirming care for minors. It's not gender-affirming. You know how you gender-affirm? You look down your pants and go, yep. Affirmed. Affirmed. That's it. Affirmed. That's how you affirm it. You don't cut it off and then invert it into some sort of like horror show. You know, good grief. Are you jigsaw? What the hell? Are we doing jigsaw medicine? That's what this is. This is like... What's that movie where they had to do horrible? I couldn't watch it because I don't like gore for the sake of gore, but I do like horror films. What is the movie where they are? Saw. Yeah. Saw. Okay. This is like a plot from Saw. Okay. How about we take kids and we cut off all their bits and pieces and we invert them and turn them into like totally different things. Didn't they make a horror film about that? What was it called? The Centipede or something like that. It was a crazy guy who literally stitched people together in the worst way possible. That was actually a film. That is basically the film version of Trans Surgeries. It is. Let's see what else we can set on fire today. All right. So we have a lot more on the way. We're going to get into the latest with Israel and Iran and also Juneteenth. A lot of people talking about Juneteenth. The left hates Juneteenth because it's like the final day that marks how Republicans freed slaves and how Democrats fought to keep them enslaved. We're going to talk about all that more coming up. stick with us. I'll find you otherwise. GoldCo precious metals. GoldCo is the company I trust. Lots of people trust GoldCo to help protect what they have. These are real actual assets with GoldCo. And I mean, this is gold and silver. And they prioritize education, which I love too, because they understand hard assets offer real security. They want to walk you through how to add this to your financial strategy as well. So they have a free 2025 gold and silver kit. It breaks down everything that you need to know about precious metals. And you can unlock exclusive bonus silver as well. If you qualify, they'll match your investment with unlimited bonus silver, real physical silver with no taxes or penalties. So it's confidence in uncertain times. And with inflation, market shifts, everything else, having a portion of your wealth in gold and silver only helps you. It just helps to make you feel more secure about everything. And they make it so easy as well. I mean, you can never go wrong with gold and silver. So visit danalikesgold.com and join the thousands of people who've called GoldCo the number one rated gold company. And you can get a free copy of their 2025 gold and silver kit and qualify for and get unlimited bonus silver. That's danalikesgold.com.
SPEAKER 14 :
Well, that's what I think is very problematic, because what people aren't talking about is that Israel preemptively struck Iran. And so I think the conversation would be very different if another country preemptively sent missiles to this country, right? No one would be saying, you know, this is fine with... Sure.
SPEAKER 12 :
Because I think that the Iranians and the Israelis believe that Iran... I would like to completely destroy Israel. That Iran is an existential threat to Israel.
SPEAKER 14 :
So they're saying, if you're trying to kill us, we want a nuclear bomb. We don't want you to have a nuke. That is fine, but you have to do that legally and under international law. Well, Iran's launched tons of missiles against Israel in the last few years. You're not supposed to do this. I'm not sure Iran does things legally. But under international law, Israel should not be preemptively striking another country.
SPEAKER 22 :
OK, Sonny Hostin sounds like a bimbo. Why are you going on national TV and saying something like that? Does she think that Iran first striking with multiple waves of missiles Israel in 2024 a year ago? She thinks that retaliate that a response to that. is preemptive someone please dear heavens they have a whole producer team over there at the view not one of them can get her a dictionary not one of them can get the phone that she probably uses to tweet or look up i don't know hair extensions or whatever and look at it and say this is what the word preemptive means let's make sure that you use it correctly the next time that you speak on national television because responding to something is not preemptive They were struck by multiple waves of missiles in 2024. That is unarguable fact. Hell, it was a headline at the time to everyone except those broads. And so the response to that is not preemptive. And just because you are waiting to respond so that the timing is right and that you are doing it to maximize the safety and also result does not mean that you forfeit your right to respond. That is embarrassing. She is a grown ass woman on national TV. You have an obligation to know these things before you talk about them. That is unbelievably embarrassing. And if she had a little bit of humility and a little bit of self-awareness, she would feel horrified at how stupid she sounded. I mean, that's that is insane. And not a single one of those women knew enough to say that on that panel. Welcome back to the program. Dana Lash with you. We are at the top of the second hour. You can stream the show on Channel 347, the radio program. You can watch it. And the chats are rumbling. You might think I'm being harsh, but honestly, one of the reasons that this keeps happening is that people aren't harsh enough. I think when someone says something so egregiously ridiculous, you have to meet it with an egregious level of, in terms of the causticness of your remarks, needs to be matched. I'm just tired of this. I think that's one of the reasons why people keep saying that, because there's no... They're not publicly shamed from it. You should be publicly shamed for being that dumb on national television. I am just shocked. How do you miss literal multiple... And it wasn't just missiles. It was also drone attacks, too. It was part of their... Operation True Promise series. And they had all kinds of stuff. And in fact, it overwhelmed the Iron Dome. And there was a lot of damage and destruction and casualties as a result of this. They volleyed over at least 100 missiles. They also had drones. And they attacked in both April and October of 2024. How do you pretend that that didn't happen and then falsely accuse an entity that's responding of preemptive action? Words have meanings. Good heavens. I don't know why. I cannot think of anything else. I'm going to be pretty sassy today and I'm not apologizing. Again, I'm not Dora the Explorer or PBS. Do not have me babysit your kids with screen time because that's not what we do. But I don't think that you can be harsh enough in response to some of this stuff. How does that program stay on air, Cain? You have a whole panel of people there.
SPEAKER 11 :
I think it's brought to you by Pfizer, is why.
SPEAKER 22 :
You have a whole panel of women there. She's like, well, I just I don't know. I can't believe that Israel just preemptively struck. Oh, preemptively. So when Iran hit Israel twice in 2024 with volleys of missiles and drones, was that preemptive or no?
SPEAKER 11 :
Not to mention their support of Hamas.
SPEAKER 22 :
It's crazy to see people simp so hard for the Ayatollah and the Mullahs regime. It's kind of debasing. You know what I mean? Like, why are you simping so hard for it? They're a bunch of Iranian cucks is what they are. They're cucks for the regime. This is just the true story of it. I just this is the stuff that I'm talking about. A lot of this this stuff that basically it's a bunch of half educated product of incest anti-Semites that get out there and they're running their mouths about this or that. And they're saying the same thing that Sonny Hostin or whatever that broad's name is saying. They're saying the same thing that she's saying without knowing this stuff. And it has nothing to do with the facts of the matter. It's just they're trying to somehow substantiate a previously held belief that has nothing to do with fact. It's about identity politics. The people that play into this stuff, they are no different from the left. Candace Owens is a leftist. She's a progressive. She plays into identity politics. She got started with Al Sharpton. She used to dox people online literally until just a couple of years ago. When you play into identity politics like that, you are a leftist. Anybody that does. I'm just using that as one example. You know, some of these people that get out there and run their mouths about this stuff. You're you sound like a leftist. Anybody who plays into identity politics, that is a Marxist ideal. That is critical race theory. It is supplanting the traditional class warfare as part of that Marxist structure. I've been writing about this for over a decade. I was one of the first people to write about Derrick Bell and the introduction in America's universities across the United States. While Barack Obama was still a student, his mentor was Derrick Bell, who is a big proponent of CRT. This is the ultimate consequence of this. And people trying to have hot takes and trying to justify a previous previously held personal position that has more to do with racial animus than anything else, identity politics. They're they're trying to play into this and twist it. So I don't know, I am. I'm just that's embarrassing to see someone say, oh, well, it was just you. You don't have to. You can say, oh, I don't like anybody striking the other whatever. But to say that one entity is is the aggressor and that responding to it. Is, you know, apparently that's what's counted and not the original aggression. That's just disingenuous. And you wonder why people hate. You know, this is why nobody. Why? I can't believe anybody watches that show. How the hell do they sell ads on that show? Who watches that show? Who?
SPEAKER 11 :
We could probably name them. There's only like six or seven, I think.
SPEAKER 22 :
I mean, who pitches that here? I got an idea. A panel full of just broads that really don't know jack crap about anything. And we're going to have them all pine about like serious foreign policy issues and all this other stuff.
SPEAKER 11 :
Where do I tune in?
SPEAKER 22 :
I mean, it almost makes me a chauvinist. Right. That makes me feel like a chauvinist because I'm like, nobody wants to hear that.
SPEAKER 11 :
Or a realist.
SPEAKER 22 :
Well, true. But good night. Oh, my gosh. All right. So a few other a few other things to get into. Oh, my goodness. So we have been where do we start? We've got immigration to touch on. We've got this tick tock thing that we were talking about a little bit as well. Let me let's get into some of this. Oh, the Juneteenth stuff. That's right. So Juneteenth, I saw this post from Gabby Giffords. Let me pull this up. She tweeted, on Juneteenth, we honor the courage of those who fought for freedom and worked to end slavery. We also recognize that the struggle against racism continues. Black Americans still disproportionately face the threat of gun violence in their homes, schools and communities. True freedom means eliminating systemic racism and rejecting white supremacy and any gun violence once and for all. Throughout history, Democrats, I've written a book about this. You can go and read it. It was my very first book, and I've followed up with it before. Throughout history, Democrats have opposed black American firearm ownership. In fact, going back to the Dred Scott case, which took place in our hometown of St. Louis, the racist judge, Chief Roger Taney, one of the things that he used as a determination to disqualify Dred Scott from being considered as a full person was the fact that he could not own a firearm. Democrats have always historically, without exception, opposed black American firearm ownership. They were terrified, especially after the Emancipation Proclamation and the conclusion of the Civil War. They were terrified during the era of Reconstruction that free black people could own firearms that terrified them because they did not want to meet their match in terms of force. They wanted to be able to oppress and suppress people. It has gun control is absolutely without question an absolutely racist policy. So I don't know if a lot of people know that I have a whole chapter in my book, Hands Off My Gun, that gets into that Dred Scott decision. And that literally was the reason Taney's and he remarked upon upon this using the fact that current era violence. was disqualifying Dred Scott from firearm ownership because he was black. Therefore, you know, in order to be considered, you know, a full citizen, you got to be able to own a gun. He can't own a gun. That literally was the logic that went into that. That's not an exaggeration. That was like a tipping point for that. So it's very interesting to see, you know, here you have Democrats still lamenting over the the freedom of black Americans to own a gun on Juneteenth. I don't just I know that there's some people on the right that are getting their britches. It's like they got to find something to bitch about every single day. They're mad about Juneteenth. Why are you mad about Juneteenth? Do we have too many federal holidays? I don't know. I think that whenever Republicans are not even Republicans because I'm a conservative, Republicans are too left for me. But whenever you have an ideological movement that stomps out the oppressive ideological movement, Republicans freed the slaves that Democrats wanted to keep. And I think everybody knows Juneteenth is apparently everybody else. I mean, April and then going into January 1st of the next year. And then after that, Texas was, you know, apparently the last to figure out that people were free, that that people had been freed. And that's where Juneteenth comes from. I got to say, Juneteenth, I did not. Kane, did you hear a lot about it until you moved to Texas?
SPEAKER 11 :
No, actually. I mean, I heard a little bit about it, living in St. Louis. But it was never widely celebrated, and it certainly wasn't a federal holiday.
SPEAKER 22 :
Yeah. So it so Juneteenth, it is a commemoration of the end of the full end of slavery in the United States. And it was in 1865. And you excuse me. You had Gordon Granger, major general. He issued a general order number three in Galveston, Texas. And there's a monument to mark that. And it was the enforcement of the Emancipation Proclamation that declared all slaves were free because people were still actually enslaved. And that practice was was happening. until he rolled in and they marked that. I also think it's interesting too, because the celebration of freedom was always that January 1st, but then Juneteenth was a Texas history day. So that's one of the reasons to graduate in Texas, students have to take Texas history and this is taught. Because that's when they issued that order and they proclaimed that everybody in the area was free. So, I mean, you can Juneteenth has more of a significance in Texas than it does nationally because it had to do with specifically Texas, because apparently the news hadn't reached Texas. And I also think that it's a very interesting look at how law what what part of what makes law law is that it has to be enforced. Right. This wasn't getting enforced until people with guns showed up. I mean, it's it's considered a federal holiday now, but it's an old thing for Texas. And again, you know, where do you want to have more federal holidays? Fine, whatever. Have that discussion. But I think that it celebrates Juneteenth is about the enforcement of an existing law that was not going to be followed until people with guns showed up to enforce it. It was about preventing the predatory nature from continuing in Texas because Democrat slavery, it was predatory. And I don't mind saying that's a great thing. We ended a predatory practice of the Democrat ideology for good the last time in Texas. I have no problem. I don't know why anybody would be opposed to saying that that's a great thing or acknowledging it. I don't know. We've got more coming up. We've got headlines on the way as we move. Our partners that help bring you the program. Folks at Angel Studios, you can become a guild member over at Angel Studios. They have a great new release called The King of Kings. And what Angel Studios does is they release, I mean, these are top-notch films. Like King of Kings, 98% audience rating. It has an all-star cast. You have Kenneth Bragna, Uma Thurman, Ben Kingsley, Pierce Bronin's in it. They always have excellent materials that are really, really well cast. And they are shaping the future of entertainment because we often complain so much about not just underrepresentation in the arts, particularly in film and television, but. Also, in terms of the way that the United States is always portrayed, in Angel Studios, this is, you know, they're working to change that. They have an amazing array of selections, and when you become a member of the Guild, you get to decide which projects get greenlit, you join them in shaping the future of entertainment, and you get to stream all the fan-curated shows and movies, and you get two free tickets to every theatrical release. So, The King of Kings, for instance, this is a Charles Dickens story. It's based upon the life of our Lord. It's just really incredibly well animated. Great cast, great score. You're really going to enjoy it. And it's for people like us, you know, the people that Hollywood kind of totally ignored. And, you know, Angel Studios is like, well, hey, we're going to leave all this money on the table. So I guess we're going to start making some really good content. and start streaming it, and they've been incredibly successful. You can visit angel.com slash Dana and join the over a million Americans, over one million Americans have already done this, in taking back control of entertainment. Become a premium Guild member and watch The King of Kings, stream all fan-curated shows and movies, and get two free tickets to every Angel Studios theatrical release. That's angel.com slash Dana.
SPEAKER 11 :
And now, all of the news you would probably miss. It's time for Dana's Quick Five.
SPEAKER 22 :
All right, so... L.A. Lakers owner agrees to sell NBA team for $10 billion in a shock announcement. Billy? Yeah, $10 billion. The team have been owned by the same family since 1979. I don't care. Do you care? I mean, it's going to affect my life. What am I going to have for dinner tonight? I don't know. I don't know. You know what I mean? I mean, maybe it's interesting. I just, meh. A rich person sells their basketball team. Yeah. So Hulk Hogan is not on his deathbed. Apparently somebody was promoting that on X, and it was false. They were saying, oh, he's on his deathbed. He's not on his deathbed, apparently. He's got health issues, but apparently he's not on his deathbed, per the family. Alzheimer's could start, now here's a headline, 20 years before your memory fades. So you could have it, like, for 20 years before you even know that you have it. Of course. That's... Kind of terrifying. Yeah. It is a groundbreaking new study that they did in the UK. And they said that early indicators could be spatial awareness difficulties. If you stand too close to people, if you have difficulty navigating. Seems like a lot of men have difficulty navigating. Come on. I'm just saying, you know.
SPEAKER 11 :
I don't think that's fair at all.
SPEAKER 22 :
I am an expert navigator. I'm not kidding you guys. I am. So sidebar, I know we got headlines, but when we were in the Exumas for the first time, we had to get a boat and go around all the islands. I charted our course every day. I woke up, looked at the tides, charted everything. I am nuts. I saved all my routes. everything and i i was an expert so i'm just saying you know and also um i have this i'll just save this headline for the next quick five but apparently a couple got killed over a hot dog Yeah, stick with us. We've got more in store. All Family Pharmacy, a great website that makes it so easy for you to get the medications that you need. I mean, I can't tell you how many times I've used All Family Pharmacy. They saved Thanksgiving because I was able to get antibiotics overnighted. They have antibiotics. They have your daily medications. They have ivermectin and hydroxychloroquine. They have all of this stuff. And they are... super affordable. No insurance required. They have licensed doctors in all 50 states and they're offering 20% off site-wide for the month of June. It is, I mean, it's already affordable, but now it's even more affordable. They understand you need a little bit of breathing room as well. But again, they make it so incredibly easy. You can visit allfamilypharmacy.com slash Dana and use the code Dana20 because that's how you get the 20% off of your entire order. You get fair prices, better access. Everybody deserves meds without the markup, and they deserve access without, you know, big pharma trying to gatekeep. Visit allfamilypharmacy.com slash Dana. Get 20% off using promo code Dana20. Don't wait for permission to protect your family and yourself. Visit allfamilypharmacy.com slash Dana. Coupon code Dana20 to save 20%.
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SPEAKER 22 :
So that's Hakeem Jeffries. He says that blocking like what over 14 million people who are in the country illegally from taxpayer funded Medicaid for the big, beautiful bill is, quote unquote, un-American. I think it's kind of un-American to expect people of another country through their taxes to pay for you. That's like me going to. Portugal and saying, I'm not going to pay into the system, but I need all of you to pay for my health care and everything else with your tax dollars. That's un-American. I mean, you know, good heavens. I thought we had no kings, right? No kings and stuff like that. I mean, maybe some kings, I guess. That's like the vibe that I'm getting from this. So welcome back to the program, Dana Lash, with you. We're at the bottom of this second hour. The... idea that you're talking a little bit about immigration here I just can't even believe that that's a thing that you that anybody could even advocate for someone having something provided to them by the taxpayer that's just wild to me I it's like demanding other people pay for your groceries at the supermarket or something I don't know it's so weird why is this well they I don't know
SPEAKER 11 :
I'm just confused why they are always siding with illegal immigrants as opposed to the American people. It's always that choice. Why?
SPEAKER 22 :
Exactly. The headline here, a knife wielding illegal alien was charged with attempted murder after allegedly attacking a Trump attorney in New York. Uh, what? Joe Sarconi, the Trump appointed U.S. attorney for the Northern District, was relaxing outside of a hotel Tuesday night. He was just sitting out there in the evening smoking a cigar. And he got confronted by a dude who pulled a knife on him and lunged at him. And the attacker, Sal Morales Garcia, is an illegal alien and a convicted felon. He has a record in multiple states, a criminal record in multiple states. And he chased this guy into the hotel lobby. He chased Arconi into the hotel lobby. And he called, they called police and the police arrived. And then at that point, Garcia again brandished the knife and made a throat slit gesture. This is in Albany. This guy, again, faces multiple counts, charges of second degree attempted murder, third degree criminal assault, possession of a weapon, second degree menacing. And they tracked down. Can you believe it? The Times Union actually did some journalism. They tracked down Morales Garcia's criminal background. Dude. OK, he's got felony charges pending in Georgia, Virginia, Pennsylvania. That's just for starters. The New York Post also said they were they reported with receipts that he was also convicted of a felony. felony-level crime in his own country of El Salvador and he was deported previously once and came back again illegally and he's in the country illegally they don't know where he crossed in he's being held without bail per the Albany Times Union because he's incredibly dangerous and he I think it's weird that he specifically targeted that attacker don't you think or that that attorney don't you think so that was weird to me And the, of course, it was sent over to DHS. Oh, man. The charges that are in Virginia, too. This is the Times Union that had these. The charges that he has against him in Virginia, like physically threatening, act to inflict injury, disorderly conduct. I'm just like, I mean, there's a lot. I'm not going to read through all of it. There's just a lot of it. And this is the stuff that Kathy Hochul and others defend in New York. they defend this stuff. She's using, she's probably going to pay for the, well, yeah, she is going to pay for this guy. Taxpayers in New York are going to pay for this violent criminal illegal aliens defense because she said just, what was it, yesterday, that they are going to allocate $50 million to fund attorneys for illegal aliens, New York taxpayer dollars. The same time they also want a cap on their taxes because they're too stupid to lower their own taxes in Albany. So they need taxpayers everywhere else to offset it for them. That's what SALT is. They can't do it in their state legislature. So they're gonna demand an offset at the expense of everyone else federally. Oh my gosh. Maybe it's because you use your money for things like, I don't know, $50 million to defend criminal illegal aliens. This guy could have killed him. If this guy had not been kind of looking around and observant, this illegal alien murderer, wannabe murderer, would have gotten the jump on him. You imagine in New York, you can't even like sit outside and enjoy the evening without fear of being stabbed by someone who's repeatedly entered illegally and has like a felony record in multiple states to assault all kinds of violent crime. It is something else. And then you got this Nashville mayor. They listed all of the names of ICE and Border Patrol publicly. This is audio some by 13. I mean, that's doxing. They dox these guys. Listen to this. He smirked as he said this. Listen to this.
SPEAKER 16 :
Hi, Karen Aguilar, Fox 17 News. Do you believe that posting the names of federal immigration officers endangers them? No.
SPEAKER 10 :
Well, this was really an issue where they were already part of a public record by being in Department of Emergency Communications calls, so I don't think it puts them at additional risk, but it's also not an intention of the executive order under which those names were released.
SPEAKER 16 :
So if it doesn't put them at additional risk, why did your office decide to remove the names?
SPEAKER 10 :
It wasn't an intentional process. We've had primarily using local departments. We've had multiple people whose names have been there, but again, this is something new. We're reviewing it. We've obviously had some concerns from DHS about release of those names. They would still be discoverable, but that was not an intent of the executive.
SPEAKER 16 :
Do you understand the concerns of DHS when they're talking about endangering federal immigration officers by posting the names?
SPEAKER 10 :
I understand the concerns, but it's not a process that I would characterize as doxing. It was an unintentional release of names that were already part of a public record.
SPEAKER 16 :
So would you agree with them that releasing the names endangers them, or was it just to kind of appease the HSI?
SPEAKER 10 :
I wouldn't say it was an endangerment process. I would say they may have some concerns. I'm far more concerned about the overall dynamic we have about unmarked, unidentifiable masked people whisking people into vehicles. I think that's a bigger concern.
SPEAKER 22 :
So it's important to understand that this guy's also under investigation by not one but two separate congressional committees because he's been helping illegal immigrants in Nashville evade deportation. So this is Freddie O'Connell. He is the mayor of Nashville, this pencil neck. And he just smirks. And his semantics are bad. He's like, oh, well, it was unintentional. They purposefully published the names. He's like, well, it was already public. Well, if it was already public, then why did you have to actually put it on blast then? That was the whole thing. I mean, he published on a list and they promoted it. They named every single one of them. And then he goes, well, you heard what he said, unidentifiable masked people. Well, they are identifiable because they're part of Border Patrol, and they're not whisking random people into vehicles. They're going after repeat violent criminal offenders. Can we just stop for a minute and point this out? They're not just grabbing people who entered illegally, which I think you should be able to, but whatever, or I think you should. They're not just actually targeting people who entered illegally. They're targeting people who entered illegally and have violent records. who have gone on to commit more crimes, and these crimes are violent, assault, murder, rape. Those are the ones that they're specifically targeting. And what Democrats are doing is they're ignoring that very important aspect of information. And they're telling everyone that, no, they're just grabbing up random people, even Americans. Well, that's not even remotely accurate. And even if they were, there would have been a butt ton more lawsuits that you would have seen filed if they were grabbing actual American citizens and hauling them away. This is so stupid. Just like the left constantly conflates illegal immigration with legal immigration. So, too, are they conflating this? So they're not randomly grabbing like people who entered illegally and then just which, again, is still a crime. They're targeting the people who entered illegally and then also continued to commit more crimes, violent, felonious activity. That's who they're targeting. And that's who people like Freddie O'Connell want to protect. The guy that I was just telling you about in New York, Freddie O'Connell loves guys like this. They work overtime to protect guys like this. And he stood there smirking. And then he acts like, oh, well, these are unidentifiable masked people. You know why they're masked? Because douchebags like you, Freddie O'Connell, like to put their entire families in jeopardy. I don't think it's hyperbole if I say Freddie O'Connell would love to see an ICE agent's family harmed. Because that's what you're trying to do. It's a form of domestic terrorism. And Freddie O'Connell is a terrorist. He's the mayor of Nashville, and he's an actual terrorist. Because he's publishing these people's information for the explicit purpose of having harm come their way. Why else... in this fashion? Would you accuse them of immoral, reckless behavior while also recklessly publishing their private information and putting it on blast out throughout the press? Kudos to that reporter who was asking him about this. That's an act of terror to try to use fear and pressure to to secure a particular outcome. That's a terror tactic. That's why I say he's a terrorist. If you use terrorist tactics, you're a terrorist. And he's committing this act against Americans who are enforcing the laws that he is an elected official is also supposed to uphold. What if somebody put Freddie O'Connell's, all of his information out there publicly and blasted it? I'm sure he would have something to say about that, right? I mean, he actually has repeatedly obstructed federal immigration operations in the town in which he's mayor. I don't know how that's not a violation of federal law. Where's Pam Bondi on this? I think this guy needs to be charged. He needs to be indicted and he needs to be brought before court. I'm tired of these lawmakers that prioritize violent, dangerous criminal, illegal aliens before that of Americans. It's treasonous. So shame on him. Shame on him for doing this. You know why they have to wear masks? Because guys like this, because guys like Freddie O'Connell, they want to see harm come to these people's families. They cover their faces much like the innocent protesters in Iran cover their faces. So the IRGC couldn't snipe them off of rooftops. And and because if they recognize who they were or kill their family, look, look them up and kill their family. Very similar behavior. I mean, they cover their faces so people don't find out their family and find out where they live and unleash terror tactics against them. This is an actual elected official, a member of government, trying to harm Americans for doing the job that taxpayers have. designed for them taxpayers had them do they wanted them to do this this is why they came together they voted on specific policy they vote on specific elected officials i'm just trying to figure out how this guy justifies this I mean, he can't. I mean, how many more of these stories do we have to have? And he just smirked all throughout the press conference. We have more in store as we roll towards the bottom of this or the conclusion of the second hour. Third hour is on the way. Our partners don't bring you the program. Burn a gun. Always. I always carry and I have no problem using lethal force to protect myself. The issue, though, comes from the places that do have issue with you protecting yourself. And heaven forbid they offer any kind of armed security to protect you, too. Right. 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All right. I got a couple here, including this story of this woman looks rough. Central Florida woman was arrested because she tailgated a teen on an e-bike. Sounds so much danger. Flager County, a central Florida teen was tailgated by a woman driving an SUV in a crazy road rage thing. He's 14 years old. He was riding an e-bike in Palm Coast and he was chased down a multi-use path. by a woman driving down the multi-use path in an SUV. She apparently was chasing him all the way home. And he, I mean, obviously the family called law enforcement. 65-year-old Julia Kalthoff was behind the wheel. She said that she told the deputies that she was angry at the teen for going too fast on his e-bike and wanted to find out where he lived so she could talk to his parents. witnesses say that the SUV was so close to him that she was within six feet. She was tailing him so close. And the parents, the witness put his own vehicle in the way because he saw what was happening. So he pulled out in front of her and almost wrecked his car so that the teen could get away. Because, I mean, you see an SUV tailing a kid like that, you don't know what's happening. So the kid, when he got home, the parents said he was literally shaking when it happened. And Kalthoff was arrested. She was released on $3,000 bond. That first off, you know what? There's a better way to handle that. And I think e-bikes can be dangerous. They're all over in our town. I haven't seen anybody riding them recklessly or irresponsibly. But you got to be careful, you know, because it can be. It's like anything else. You know, it can be dangerous. So parent because they go fast. So, you know, parents use some sense here. But that woman is insane. She could have caused him. She could have killed him. So absolutely. I think she should have the book thrown at her. That's absolutely inexcusable. So, I got a couple of other ones. We had the truck. Oh, no. Can't have that. Definitely can't have that one. Mm-mm. What in the world? Some of these, I don't know.
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Pass it up on some good ones.
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Yeah, I don't. Yeah, I don't. No. This guy, some of these are really bad. A Florida man was arrested. Here's more. I can't believe this is considered more innocent. He was arrested for a late night laser attack on a law enforcement helicopter. Again? Yes, there's another one. Brand new. Hillsborough County Sheriff's Office said a police copter was conducting surveillance when it was struck several times by a powerful laser beam in a late-night laser attack. It was right before midnight. They said it impaired visibility temporarily and endangered the flight crew. They shared video of it, too, and you can see a green laser beam flashing towards the helicopter's camera, and it entirely obstructs the view several times. All they can see is that, and they can't see anything else. And they said that it could have had deadly consequences. They tracked it to a home and found the laser used in the incident. They charged 58-year-old James Cardamone on misuse of a laser lighting device. I mean, the video shows it. It's so it hit the the windshield, not windshield. Did you say windshield or the glass front of the chopper? I mean, it like filled up that you couldn't see if you were you couldn't see it. You couldn't see the lights of the city below you. That's how bright it was. So that's not an exaggeration to say that it temporarily entirely obstructed the vision. We have a lot more on the way and including whether or not Trump has he decided on military action in Iran. We've got an answer. Stick with us. Patriot Mobile, the only Christian conservative cell phone service that is out there and Patriot Mobile. wants to not only make sure that you can afford your service, but they want to assure you that your hard-earned dollars are not going to be used on things that you vote against at the ballot box. And to that effect, I mean, Patriot Mobile, I have never had an issue with my cell phone service. I have used it all over the globe. I have used it all over this nation. I've had it for over 10 years. I have like the big giant Cadillac plan. I have to because of obviously my job and my whole family's on it. I'm literally paying less than what I did before I switched. And it's not just I mean, yes, you want to pay less for your cell phone service and get great service. But it's about more than that. You have to be really, really mindful with your dollars. And we are not very blessed, you know, on the right in order. that we have a lot of choices for certain things, but you do have a choice on where to spend your dollars, where it concerns your cell phone service. So I have no idea why anybody hasn't switched because if you haven't, you need to realize that you were giving a lot of money to the things that you work against and vote against and speak against and stand against. And we know this because of the open records that are required by the Federal Elections Commission. They have to file this because of how they spend this money. We can see exactly what they're spending your cell phone money on. So why in the world would you not make the switch to Patriot Mobile? In addition to having the best nationwide coverage by operating on all three major networks, you're going to spend less. They have a 100% U.S.-based customer service. You also can get a free month of service using promo code DANA. but they're not spending your money to work against you and your family. Visit PatriotMobile.com slash Dana or call 972-PATRIOT and get a free month of service using promo code Dana. Switch today and defend freedom with every call and text you make. That's PatriotMobile.com slash Dana, 972-PATRIOT.
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The destruction or the dismantling of the Fordow Nuclear Enrichment Center, is that a prerequisite for a deal? Is that a red line for you?
SPEAKER 26 :
No, it's just something that people talk about having. We're the only ones that have the capability to do it, but that doesn't mean I'm going to do it at all. Yeah, we have the best military equipment in the world. You see that with this fight. We have planes that are undetectable, flying around like, you know, nobody's able to see them stealth. You guys want to be stealthy tonight, you know, you can be stealth, they'll never lose, right? But these are incredible planes and weapons. We have the best weapons in the world. by far nobody close and we're we're uh i mean certain countries take advantage of that israel has incredible weaponry so we'll see what happens i have not i have not i've been asked about it by everybody but i haven't made a decision
SPEAKER 22 :
That is POTUS talking about whether or not he's going to join in the military action beyond any kind of support. And, of course, it was also reiterated in the press availability just a little bit ago by his spokesperson, Caroline Lovett, who said POTUS is going to make his decision on whether or not to go within the next two weeks. But I've seen also – let me pull this up. I've seen also where the – let me pull this story. that I've seen it also, too, where they're anticipating some kind of, I don't know, I think Israel was waiting, thought it would be within 48 hours or something to that effect, that that would happen. But apparently, Trump says two weeks. So welcome back to the show. Again, Dana Lash with you. And we also, we got the stream of the radio program, Channel 347, the chats at Rumble. And then of course, we have the TikTok thing. Oh my goodness. So The executive order extending the deadline for TikTok's closing. A lot of discussion on whether or not it is illegal. Because there's a federal law that regulates all of this. But I think that the courts are going to get involved. If Congress doesn't, the courts are... Somebody's going to file and the courts are going to get involved. Because there is federal law that does regulate some of this stuff, I will say. I just... We're in a weird period because the... I mean, it's it's a form of asymmetrical warfare to think about it. If you're China and you come up with a way to not have to expend your resources or, you know, have like an actual hostile hot conflict. Why not a PSYOP? I mean, think about all the stories that are coming out about TikTok and the algorithm and what it promotes to people in the United States as it as it relates to other countries. It's there's that's what this is. It's an it looks like an app and everyone thinks it's a fun thing to do videos and that you get everybody to use it. And everybody's using it and they're giving all their information to the CCP and the CCP is trying to impact and affect behavior and perspective of Americans. And that's what this is. They do this by the way that the algorithm what the algorithm chooses to present to you. I don't know. I don't like that. I don't like continuing to allow the CCP to purchase vast swaths of farmland. And I don't like that in the trade agreement or the tentative trade agreement that you still have tons of CCP students that can come over here to our colleges and universities, knowing that they full well have to report back to literal the CCP in order to maintain good standing and have that access. I'm just saying it's you. You're if you're you cannot violate existing federal law. to extend the availability of an app that's used for espionage. That's really what it is. So I don't know. We're going to I just can't imagine that this goes without any kind of suit for this. Why do people want I mean, why are people so bent up on TikTok? Are you you're not on TikTok, Kane? Have you ever used it? I've never even looked at it.
SPEAKER 11 :
It used to be back in the day, someone would send you a TikTok link to check out and you'd have to open it in your browser and they'd let you see it in the browser. Now you have to actually download the app. I don't have TikTok.
SPEAKER 22 :
Yeah. And the FBI, by the way, keep in mind that this is all, while this is happening, just the other day, the FBI released evidence that they're claiming that China interfered in 2020 on Biden's behalf. Okay, so why are we entertaining... The existence continued existence of an espionage weapon, knowing that apparently China interfered in 2020, apparently. And this comes from documents that Kash Patel turned over to the Senate Judiciary Committee. And Chuck Grassley released it. They had a cash Patel said that they had documents that detail alarming allegations pertaining to 2020, including allegations of interference by the CCP. They said the CCP actively interfered in 2020 on behalf of Joe Biden and that the they were able to obtain a lot of materials on this. And they sent it over to the Senate Judiciary Committee. They wanted to create apparently a bunch of fake mail-in ballots as well. So can we just pause here for a minute? So we're arguing over TikTok. And then we also have this. It would be one thing if it was just, you know, an app that wasn't actually actively taking your information and directing it back to Beijing and using using all of the content and configuring it in a way where it's weaponized as a psyop against people in the United States. You realize the second drive division. That's part of the reasons why the bot armies. Just so you know, part of asymmetrical warfare extends to policy as well. It is. I mean, it's commonplace now for different politicians and different. entities to hire bot farms and then they uh create these accounts or they buy old accounts they'll buy either established or you know existing accounts old accounts uh they'll take them over and then they start posting regularly about you know divisive stuff they try to divide they try doing all this stuff and you see it all over x x is almost unusable because of it It's always like rando, bunch of numbers. This is their account, right? And they really drive a lot of this. In fact, there was also someone who was saying, oh, it was an account on X, and they found this established account that had thousands of followers, and they were saying, I'm not going to die in a war for Israel. Well, they actually found the person who did it, and they tweet from Pakistan. It is a bot that's based in Pakistan and they were able to acquire an old account and all of the details are published. It's all made public on X. I mean, that's some of the stuff that you're dealing with. I know for a fact that different politicians and different entities, they do it. You'll have if they're trying to get a bill passed. If there's an issue or like an amendment on a state constitution or something, you'll have advocacy groups that will literally enlist the use of bot farms. And then they use this as like an asymmetrical policy warfare. They go out and they try to either persuade or browbeat or bully people into submission. That is a new thing. And TikTok is no different. TikTok is just in the hands of the CCP doing it. Lorraine had a huge post getting into who's funding all of this stuff from the LA riots to everything else. And guess what? The CCP is a huge, huge funder of this stuff. So again, why are we entertaining the idea that this is just like a harmless app when it actually is a tool of espionage? It is a psyop that weaponizes against the American people. I mean, Data Republican also had, if you're questioning why China wants to keep the U.S. out of Iran, they also own TikTok, funding all of the organizations behind the pro-Hamas protests. They fund them. I mean, there is literally a data trail. It is their sewing discord strategy. It's like the Belt and Road Initiative, but it's with informational warfare. They the purpose is if you have your enemy divided and fighting with itself, that makes it easier for you. That's what this is about. This is this is all about. It's they need the United States to be divided. They need the United States to be divided. Where do you stand? Do you look at it, Kane, like it's an espionage app?
SPEAKER 11 :
Yeah, I think that we saw some of the testimony in front of Congress about what they do with the data and these parent companies who they're actually beholden to. So I think that there is a potential for sure. And I also believe that there's been some harvesting of data they probably shouldn't have. And it probably continues to today. So I don't see how they couldn't or they wouldn't, as the CCP, use it in some way to
SPEAKER 22 :
gather more information and help round out their spying efforts yeah so i uh i don't know i don't like i don't i don't even like zoom because that's also it's all ccp owned i don't know why so many people do things on zoom i try to avoid that at all costs it's true not everything has to be video everybody wants to do video stuff video calls video this it's like it doesn't have to be i mean good grief i don't know i'm just um why i don't know why the white house doesn't regard this app the same way? Is it because it's like they're afraid to tick off younger voters? That's the only thing I can think of. Are they worried that they're going to tick off younger voters and all the influencers who would rage and did rage? Is that what they're... Now it looks like, oh, it was Republicans that wanted to outlaw it as a PSYOP app, a tool of espionage. And then Trump's like, no, I'm going to go. I'll come save it. And so is that a way to...
SPEAKER 11 :
they going to find that do they think he's ingratiated himself into you know their their will i don't know i think part of it is the decision you know to extend uh by trump is because they're still trying to find the total amount of investors to make that purchase happen and keep it in the hands of the united states as opposed to china which i don't think they've found a solution to that yet and i think that's why there's been this uh push another push to delay it 90 days
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Yeah, that's what's weird to me. That China's, I mean, that's how you know it's not, it's more than just they want to make money and they have a business that they want to run. I mean, that's You know, it is what it is. All right. So we got a lot more on. We get this latest with the president saying that he's going to give an answer on whether or not he's going to get involved in two weeks. And we have a bunch of planes over there right now. We got another strike. another carrier group that's headed over there, Gerald Ford, Gerald R. Ford, USS Gerald Ford. We have Nimitz, Carl Vinson. That apparently, so the Ford is going to replace the Vinson. Nimitz is going to be with the Vinson for a while, and then it'll be the Ford and the Nimitz over there for a little bit. But we still have a lot of stuff coming out of ports in Bahrain. So there's a buildup. I think it's peace through strength. It's just in peace through strength. That's what it is. But I will say this. The American people right now, if you look at current polling, and there's like two or three pretty decent surveys that are out there. I'm not going to deep dive into all of it on air. I've looked at it all. They're pretty decent. Even, you know, there's there are even Democrats on the issue specifically of whether or not you think it's better for the United States long term for Iran to go nuclear. No one agrees with that. And when I say no one, I mean Democrats, independents, Republicans. It is like something like over 86 percent agree that they should not be. They should not have nuclear capability. The question after as to what to do with the regime is something separate. But I will say, too, I think there is a shelf life to the intrigue. It's good to have peace through strength and build up a show of force to make sure nothing goes sideways. We don't know what they're looking at, the intel that they're looking at. I think if... You have an option of just using a bunker buster on the for now facility in Iran. That's one thing. But when you have a show of force, you do run the risk of indicating that there may be a larger scale involvement that concerns people. Does that make sense?
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I also think that's Trump's historical M.O.
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Yeah. No, I'm not arguing that. I just for some of the people that are getting a little nervous about it. I think that's why they are, because they see a show of force. And to them, that indicates that, oh, there's a chance that we could actually have much greater involvement in this than, you know, originally anticipated. And I understand their their position on that. But. I'll add that there's things I disagree with POTUS on. You know. But on this, we haven't gotten in a long protracted war, have we? We haven't. That's one thing that he's been consistent on, I will say. So kind of keep that perspective. I know we've got headlines. I'm sorry. I'm going really long. And we also have Jay Collins is going to be joining us. He went to go save Americans that were stuck in Israel, Floridians. We've got to move. As we do so, our partners that help bring you – The program is Gold Code Precious Metals. Gold Co. is the company I trust. Lots of people trust Gold Co. to help protect what they have. These are real, actual assets with Gold Co. And I mean, this is gold and silver. And they have they prioritize education, which I love, too, because education. They understand hard assets offer real security. They want to walk you through how to add this to your financial strategy as well. So they have a free 2025 gold and silver kit. It breaks down everything that you need to know about precious metals. And you can unlock exclusive bonus silver as well. If you qualify, they'll match your investment with unlimited bonus silver, real physical silver with no taxes or penalties. So it's confidence in uncertain times. And with inflation, market shifts, everything else, having a portion... of your wealth in gold and silver. It just helps make you feel more secure about everything. And they make it so easy as well. I mean, you can never go wrong with gold and silver. So visit danalikesgold.com and join the thousands of people who've called GoldCo the number one rated gold company. And you can get a free copy of their 2025 gold and silver kit and qualify for and get unlimited bonus silver. That's danalikesgold.com.
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Welcome back to the program. Dana Lash with you. Bottom of this third hour. Channel 347 is where you can stream the radio program. If you're not listening around the country, hundreds of affiliates rumbled the chat. So the president said he's not going to do anything, make a decision about getting involved in terms of aiding with the bombing of that Fornow facility, et cetera, for at least a couple weeks. I think it's peace through strength. I'm totally fine with that strategy. We've got a buildup of assets over there where we're talking about Another carrier headed over there to join Nimitz and Vinson, although I think it's going to replace Vinson. But there's a lot of ships coming out of ports in Bahrain. There's some jets that are it's all about peace through strength. And I think that that posturing can be effective, can be very effective. But we still have I mean, there were Americans that were caught over. I keep seeing videos from people who have been either in bomb shelters or who had to be evacuated. I was talking to a friend who was actually in Israel who I think made it home yesterday and who said that it was very difficult getting out. You have to think as the airport and the proximity of these missiles that the remaining missiles that Iran has that they've been launching, which seem now kind of like all willy nilly now that they got a lot of their command centers destroyed. And so what happens to a lot of the people that are stranded over there? So I was thinking about that. And then I just saw out of nowhere, just saw this tweet the other day from Jay Collins. It says, I am on route. I am on route to Israel to assist the state of Florida and great bull rescue with evacuation efforts. If you're an American in need of evacuation, please register here. And it's Florida disaster dot org slash Israel rescue. He literally went over there. to save americans i mean there are my friend daniel horowitz said there's there are politicians who are too terrified to take a principled vote and here you have jay collins legit flying into a zone a conflict area on father's day by the way to get americans home uh he joins us now via video state senator jay collins senator pleasure to have you i mean this this is how you spent your father's day tell me how this all came about
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Well, Dana, first off, thank you for the intro. Thank you. It's always good to be on here, and I'm still waiting to see if you're going to come back to Florida. We'll help you find homes, right? But no, you know, when you see something like this, I'm a dad and a husband first and foremost, and I thought about what would I want someone to do if I couldn't get over there to rescue my family. You've got to stand up and act when you have to. If there's a way to do something, you've got to take that opportunity. Leadership comes at the cost of self-interest, and we got to do the right thing and to leave on father's day yeah it was tough i love my boys they're 10 and 13 and i thought it was really important to show them what leadership looks like why we have to act when uh when there's an opportunity to do what's right but that's why it's so important to have leadership like governor de sanis you know his ethos and his values his moral compass is exactly what he does our partners with gray bull rescue the exact same ethos the exact same values and the exact same approach it is about our people It is not about politics. It's rescuing Americans, bringing them home to their families. And that's what leadership should do.
SPEAKER 22 :
And it's so awesome that you did this because you had people in your state who were stranded. I was reading about some of the logistics. There were some chartered flights that were arranged, I know, through the governor's office. But because of the missiles and the uncertainty, a lot of people were still grounded. From what I've been hearing from people who were stuck over there who are just now getting home, I mean, I can't even imagine the nightmare of logistics just to get people home. Tell us a little bit about that, because I mean, it's the airspace could be clear one moment and then not the next moment.
SPEAKER 09 :
Yeah, Dan, that actually happened to us today. We were planning on going back in and setting up our movements to go start picking up people and getting things set up for another extraction, and the border closed earlier than we expected. We couldn't get in there, so we had to roll back what we're trying to do. A few days ago, we were out getting ready to pick people up, bring them back through... through one of the checkpoints as we're going over to Jordan. And we went there to pick folks up, and the air raid sirens went off. People went into bunkers, and we had to do what we had to do. We rolled it back. We got across. We ended up having to get hotels and run overnight, unfortunately. But we got them out. They flew to Cyprus, and then they are taking off here shortly, and we'll be landing in Tampa. But, you know, those are American citizens rescued from a very difficult situation going home to their families, and there's nothing better than that.
SPEAKER 22 :
One of the things that I've noticed, too, is there's so much devastation with these missiles because they're there. I know it seems like, you know, they're trying to overwhelm the Iron Dome and where, you know, targeted strikes towards Iran. I mean, I was seeing high rises where generals, which, by the way, the way they got all these generals together on one spot to take them out was pretty stunning. That's a whole other story. Very precise, very targeted attacks. But with this, it's almost like they're just lobbing stuff over and it doesn't really care where they land. I guess that's because a lot of their command. Well, I guess the way that they could centralize command was destroyed in Tehran and other areas. And I mean, people that are in bomb shelters, I've been reading like they can hear the explosions and the walls and the ground shakes and then dust kind of, you know, drops from the ceiling. I mean, you were I mean, how you were like right there. You were close right there to all of this happening.
SPEAKER 09 :
You know, Dana, we are. We're actually living in Amman right now. We'll be in Israel tomorrow. And everybody we rescue, they've had experiences like this. They've been there telling us about wearing on the bomb shelter, hearing the explosions, things falling off their shelves. You know, one of our families talked about a drone flying by his window. And that's when he knew, oh, my gosh, this is incredibly real. I'm right in harm's way and I better find a way out. He saw our link, you know, and there were so many organizations that shared that link out. I want to say thank you to everybody who did that. It's been incredible. We have a list of about 4,000 more Americans that want to get out and keep plugging and drawing and doing all we can to get them out. But, This is a dynamic theater. The weapons are hyper-aggressive. When you talk supersonic, hypersonic, they're moving so quickly, and they're so vicious in how they hit and so violent. It's a whole new kind of warfare. Today they had technology where it opened up and multiple rockets came out of the tip, very much like a nuclear-style weapon, although it was not that type. It broke apart. It's a show of force. This is a real conflict.
SPEAKER 22 :
So we're talking with Florida Senator Jay Collins, who's been rescuing Americans that have been stranded in Israel, because you can't, and correct my understanding on this if I'm off, the way that I get you, you have to leave, you have to basically leave Israel and then leave from another country because of the airspace being closed, correct?
SPEAKER 09 :
That's right. Now, we may have opportunities as we move forward to get people out from an airport, but that's not guaranteed. So we are actually using land and sea routes. We're going off in boats through the ports. We're going out through the gates. And we're taking people out, American citizens, out of wherever we can. We're flying people out of airports in Oman. Some are using Egypt. Some are using other airports. But in the end, you've got to get people mustered together. You've got to keep them safe, secure, keep their nerves at rest, before. One of the things that I've heard probably 30 times is this sounds like a spinoff. All the things you're going through to get people back home. It's incredible. But that's what we do to take care of our people.
SPEAKER 22 :
It does. I mean, it's because I mean, obviously, you're a veteran, you've served and we're grateful for your service. Did you ever foresee yourself being kind of like in this situation after you served your country? And now you're you know, you're you're in Tallahassee. And then now now you're like, I mean, it's it literally sounds like a spy novel that you're in right now.
SPEAKER 09 :
Yeah, you know, Dan, I did not. But it's kind of odd. I was a Green Beret for a long time. I served 23 years. My wife did 20. I get the military. I'm not a politician. I tried to be less of a legislator, more of a leader. Let's do what's right. Let's stand up and stand with our convictions and act. You say we're going to do something. Let's be men of our word and do what's right and do what we have to do uh that's why this doesn't bother me it isn't i'm not fearful of going into a war zone i believe in what we're doing i believe in protecting our people and that's god's will i believe i'm doing the incorrect thing and it's what we should do to protect our citizenry as an elected official so it checks all the boxes
SPEAKER 22 :
Can I just say that Senator Collins and his wife, both being veterans, there is like no house that you would rather be in if something goes sideways than Collins HQ. Can I just say like if they're if you're trying to get out of a war zone and Jay Collins shows up, you're like, OK, all is good, everybody. The wolf is here. It's all good.
SPEAKER 09 :
tell me a little bit about because i know you said that there's 4 000 people that still are stranded how many people have you worked with i know it's been exhausting for you how many people have you dealt with in the past so we had 1500 working with a couple of organizations going out on a boat uh they're flying back to the us uh we're bringing in people two and three hundred at a time i think this next mission we're going to try to target 300 so those are the numbers and increments You know, sometimes people get scared, and this overwhelms them. They decide not to do it, but they come back again and say, hey, I saw it was successful. Let me jump in this time. But in the end, what I want people to know is we'll never sacrifice safety. We're going to keep you as safe as we absolutely can. We put that at the foremost of our mind. We want to get you home safe and sound to your families, and that's why we do what we do.
SPEAKER 22 :
Because you're evacuating people, but there's real dangers that you're facing while doing that.
SPEAKER 09 :
100%. You know, there's all kinds of things. Look at the political aspects of going across the border into a country that many haven't been in. You talk about just the reality that if they launch missiles, there absolutely could be something that happens. You don't know what's going to happen. I mean, October 7th wasn't that long ago. Things happen in conflict areas. But in the end, they're very strong. Their sense of nationalism has not faded. The Israeli people are incredibly strong. They're focused on their country and their people, and they're very well supporting each other, which I'd love to see. And as Americans, that's something that I wish we exhibited more. It's not about politics. It is about people. It's about our people and bringing them home. That's all this is.
SPEAKER 22 :
I'm into that. You've been working with Gray Bull Rescue and people can find out more at graybullrescue.org. And it's all about saving Americans that are in these disaster or conflict areas. And they've been doing it for a long time. We're grateful to you, Senator Collins, for everything that you're doing. You know, I'm just saying it's how you spent your father's day. I'm just you know, that's a that's kind of that's a quality that you would want and maybe a future governor. That's all I'm going to say. I'm just going to throw it out there. I'm not going to like. I don't want to corner you. I mean, you're doing enough work right now. I don't want to corner you into something. But we really appreciate everything that you're doing, Senator Collins. God bless you because you're helping so many people.
SPEAKER 09 :
Dana, God bless you. I appreciate you so much. And, you know, it's a privilege to serve. We're here to serve our community and serve our people. And I think when times are tough, leaders should stand up and lead. So, again, thank you. We appreciate all you do.
SPEAKER 22 :
Safe travels and God bless. And we'll talk again soon. We'll be praying for your safe arrival back stateside. God bless you, Senator. Thank you. We have more to come, folks, as we wrap up this second hour. And you can find out more about that at GravelRescue.org. And you can also find out more about where to go with all of this. It's the website. I'm going to pull this up really quickly. It's FloridaDisaster.org slash IsraelRescue. And that's where people can go when they're stranded over there and they can register and get accounted for to get rescued, really. As we move, we've got more in store. We've got Today in Stupidity on the way, our all-family pharmacy, a great website that makes it so easy for you to get the medications that you need. I mean, I... Can't tell you how many times I've used All Family Pharmacy. They saved Thanksgiving because I was able to get antibiotics overnighted. They have antibiotics. They have your daily medications. They have ivermectin and hydroxychloroquine. They have all of this stuff. And they are... super affordable no insurance required they have licensed doctors in all 50 states and they're offering 20 off site-wide for the month of june it is i mean it's already affordable but now it's even more affordable they understand you need a little bit of breathing room as well but again they make it so incredibly easy you can visit allfamilypharmacy.com slash dana and use the code dana 20 because that's how you get the 20 off of your entire order You get fair prices, better access. Everybody deserves meds without the markup, and they deserve access without, you know, big pharma trying to gatekeep. Visit allfamilypharmacy.com slash Dana. Get 20% off using promo code Dana20. Don't wait for permission to protect your family and yourself. Visit allfamilypharmacy.com slash Dana. Coupon code Dana20 to save 20%.
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SPEAKER 22 :
So one of the things that I've been fascinated by is how all of these generals got marked in Iran. I mean, it didn't help that they were in high rise buildings and they, you know, we all could see something was happening on social media. And I'm just saying that if I'm a general in a terrorist state with a terrorist regime, I'm probably not going to hang out in a high rise. You know what I'm saying? So listen to this. So they had an amazing op to make this happen. In fact, dozens of these military leaders, they were taken out in one single strike. And these details are pretty stunning about that. They're stunning. So they created IDF or created a fake phone call for 20 members of the Air Force senior staff, and they called them to a specific bunker in Tehran. So these were the other people that weren't in the high rises. And that meant that when they first had the initial volley of like a thousand ballistic, when Israel started firing in retaliation for last year, all of the missiles that Iran had, no one could give the order to fire them because they were all in that bunker and they got bombed. And that was an IDF, sorry, it was Mossad. Mossads, they infiltrated Iranian back channels over at Red State. They said that they placed 20 different fake phone calls to IRGC leaders, instructing them to all meet in this reinforced bunker in Tehran. And nobody questioned the order. And then apparently there were Mossad agents on ground to visually confirm arrival. And then they blew the whole place up to the sky. Dude, no, just say it. I can tell Kane's like, he's going typing in the slack.
SPEAKER 11 :
And we thought the blowing up pagers thing was bad.
SPEAKER 22 :
Dang. I know, right? Oh my gosh. So they had all the top, all of the big leaders sniped in with missiles in their high raises and the rest of them, boom. They all put them in this bunker and blew it all up.
SPEAKER 11 :
You know what I love about it, outside of bad people getting blown up, is that the people that cry about war, it's because of the innocent lives lost, right? It's because there isn't surgical, strategic type hits like this. This, I'm here for this. I would love a 24-7 channel that you pay and just watch Terry's get murked surgically and strategically.
SPEAKER 22 :
I mean, I'm all for that. Because the guy, what was it? The salami guy? He was the one who was in the bunker. And then the rest, he was in the RGC. And then the rest of them were, you know, they were.
SPEAKER 26 :
We gonna Drax. Damn.
SPEAKER 22 :
That's just the best. That is the best skit ever. It really is. I don't even know what it means, but I also would like to drax them sklouts.
SPEAKER 11 :
I don't know what it means, but I understand it.
SPEAKER 22 :
And we ain't talking about no Terry Bradshaw or Terry Cloth.
SPEAKER 11 :
Not them Terrys.
SPEAKER 22 :
Yeah, not them Terrys. It's a Kia and Peele skit, and it's, I think, the funniest skit. Oh, my gosh. All right. Today in Stupidity, Kate. Oh, my gosh. This is a doozy.
SPEAKER 11 :
All right, so Cut 12 won. This is the Ladies of the View. Do I even need to say more in the intro to this? Here are the Ladies of the View. Cut 12.
SPEAKER 04 :
It is the same. No, it's not.
SPEAKER 15 :
The year 2025 in the United States is nothing like if I stepped foot wearing this outfit in Tehran.
SPEAKER 04 :
I'm sorry.
SPEAKER 15 :
I can't have my hair showing. I can't wear a skirt. I can't have my arms out.
SPEAKER 04 :
I'm telling you.
SPEAKER 15 :
I literally said it was up to the Iranian people.
SPEAKER 04 :
And that's why I am saying that it is the same. Murdering someone for their difference is not good. Whoever does. It's not good. So that's why I said you weren't saying what I heard was not what you meant.
SPEAKER 15 :
I think it's very different to live in the United States in 2025 than it is to live in Iran. Not if you're black. Not for everybody.
SPEAKER 22 :
Not if you're black. Stop it. I can't. That's the dumbest thing that I've heard today. All right, folks, that does it for us today. Find us over at Substack. Sign up. Chapter and verse. Go subscribe. YouTube, Facebook, like and subscribe. I'll be back with you tomorrow.

In the latest episode of Washington Watch, host Jody Heiss steps in to provide valuable insights into pressing international affairs. The episode begins with a detailed examination of the recent missile strike by the Iranian regime on an Israeli hospital, which resulted in significant damage and injuries. With statements from Israeli leaders, the episode sheds light on the gravity of the situation and Israel's strategic response. Heiss further navigates through global diplomatic tensions and the potential implications on US foreign policy, including remarks from White House Press Secretary Carolyn Leavitt and others.
SPEAKER 19 :
from the heart of our nation's capital in Washington, D.C., bringing compelling interviews, insightful analysis, taking you beyond the headlines and soundbites into conversations with our nation's leaders and newsmakers, all from a biblical worldview. Sitting in for Tony is today's host, Jody Heiss.
SPEAKER 08 :
Well, good afternoon and welcome to this Thursday edition of Washington Watch. I am Jody Heitz, a senior fellow here at the Family Research Council and deeply honored to be filling in today for Tony. We've got a lot in the news. Let me give you some of the highlights that we'll be discussing today. We'll begin with the Iranian regime that targeted Israel's hospital, one of their larger hospitals today, in a missile attack that took place earlier this morning. They wounded about 80 people and caused extensive damage.
SPEAKER 21 :
This is exactly the face of this regime. It's a terror regime. We are targeting military targets and they are targeting civilians. They are aiming to kill as many civilians as they can. And this is exactly why we launched this operation.
SPEAKER 08 :
Well, that was Israel Defense Force spokesperson Effie Defrin earlier today, and we'll get more details from Real Life Network's Daniel Cohen when he joins me here in just a few moments, and he'll be joining us live from Israel. And then at the same time, we have many here in the U.S. wondering whether or not we are going to get involved in the war between Israel and Iran. Well, sounds like we'll be finding out at least within the next two weeks.
SPEAKER 15 :
I have a message directly from the president, and I quote, based on the fact that there's a substantial chance of negotiations that may or may not take place with Iran in the near future, I will make my decision whether or not to go within the next two weeks.
SPEAKER 08 :
All right, the next two weeks. That was White House Press Secretary Carolyn Leavitt this afternoon. And Arizona Congressman Andy Biggs will be joining me a little bit later in the program to talk about what the president might decide to do. We'll also be discussing the House Oversight Committee's investigation into a billionaire who could be behind some of the nationwide protests that we've been watching, including those recently in L.A., And then while Pride Month certainly is a thing of the past for more and more Americans this year, there are some who want to bring it back on the stage. For example, folks catch this. Democrat lawmakers in Oregon decided to bring a drag show to the floor of the state legislature yesterday. Unbelievable. Well, we'll be joined a little bit later in the program with a state representative from Oregon, Dwayne Yonker, to talk about that. And then to close out the program today, I'll be joined by Dr. Harmoz Shariat to discuss what's happening on the ground in Iran. That's a powerful thing. You know, so much is discussed about Israel. But what's happening in Iran as this war rages on? And what could potentially hold as a regard in reference to the future if a regime change takes place in Iran? Some important questions that we'll be talking about with Dr. Shariat. So we've got a lot coming your way as always. Our website, TonyPerkins.com. If you miss any portion of the program, you want to be sure to check it out there. And of course, there are also tons of resources available there for you as well. TonyPerkins.com. All right, let's begin with the missile strikes that Iran unleashed on Israel earlier this morning. One of those at least hit the largest hospital in southern Israel. And Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu visited the site today, and he is vowing retaliation against Iran and their nuclear threat. And here to fill us in on the details live from Israel is Daniel Cohen. He is the host of the upcoming Daniel Cohen Show on Real Life Network. And Daniel, welcome back to Washington Watch. Thank you for staying up late. It's good to have you.
SPEAKER 23 :
It's great to be with you, Jody. How are you?
SPEAKER 08 :
I'm doing great. I hope, number one, that you're staying safe. And with that, fill us in on the hospital strike and overall what's going on right now.
SPEAKER 23 :
Well, yeah, Jody, things are escalating. They're not getting quieter here. We woke up in the morning this morning to sirens, a double siren again. And more ballistic missiles from Iran. And this one was something. 30 ballistic missiles, in fact. We've been woken up in the middle of the night three, four times a night. But this morning, as you mentioned, Siroka Hospital, which has 1,000 hospital beds. This is the largest hospital in southern Israel. It serves about 1 million people. And all day, people here in Israel have been speaking that this was a war crime. That this was most definitely a war crime carried out by Iran. And they've been launching at residential buildings. We've had fatalities here, people in their apartments sleeping. Think about it. My children are asleep, and there are ballistic missiles. Just think about this, America, for just a second. Your children are sleeping, and people are launching ballistic missiles at your family in the middle of the night. Apartments, synagogues. And I just want to remind everybody that... If you're hearing people talk about this being a war crime, this is just the latest in a series of war crimes. October 7th was bought and paid for by Iran. That was a war crime. There has been a system for decades of Iran creating this ring of fire around Israel. Hamas, the Houthis, Hezbollah, these are all terror networks that have been attacking Israel. That is a war crime. Israel has wrecked every single one of them, Jody, one at a time, systematically has taken them out. The emperor, Iran, has no clothes. And Israel has been, by the grace of God and by the strength of God, my goodness, if there hasn't been a lesson taught, you don't mess with God's covenant nation. Look at what Israel has been able to do in less than a week, complete air superiority, going all the way back in what, five, six days, in the first 48 hours. And so the questions that we need to be asking ourselves is not, did they cross the line? They've already crossed the line and they keep crossing the line. And hitting Sirocco Hospital, I want to just say one thing that was a miracle, then I'll send it back to you, Jody. Just yesterday, Israel's health ministry decided to vacate, they evacuated the wing of the hospital where that ballistic missile struck today. Think about how hard it must be having people receiving chemo, patients in a hospital bed, and those sirens go off. When we hear a siren in my house, I live just outside of Tel Aviv, we have 90 seconds to get to our bomb shelter in our basement. How do you move people in beds in 90 seconds? Again, the hand of God, I think it was just a miracle. a miracle that just yesterday Israel said, we want to scale back this particular wing of the hospital, and today a missile struck and there were no fatalities. I think it was about a half dozen people that were slightly injured, Jody.
SPEAKER 08 :
Wow, that's stunning. I was not aware of how people were moved from that section of the hospital just yesterday. No question, Daniel, the hand of God. There is no other way to explain that. Real quickly, these strikes are... being carried out against Israel are quite different from the strikes that Israel is returning. Real quickly, explain to us the difference of the targets that Iran is choosing versus the targets that Israel is choosing.
SPEAKER 23 :
Yeah, it's the first part of your question cut out, but I think you were asking me about the difference. Look, Iran's heart here, Iran is a wounded animal. Iran is wounded. And it makes me ask myself the question, why did the world take so long? Israel is striking military sites, ballistic missile sites, nuclear sites. Israel has taken out military commanders. Israel has taken out scientists that are creating the nuclear weapons that Iran has been bragging for 46 years, Jody, since the Islamic revolution in 1979. They've been bragging. They've been saying, we consider you, Israel. They characterize the place I'm at as the little Satan and America as the great Satan. And as Israel has been strategically taking out one site after another after another. What is Iran doing? They're hitting residential buildings, synagogues, schools, and hospitals. I wonder, did you know that during World War II, Jody, there was actually an America First commission? And Charles Lindbergh, I think you all know that he's... I don't have to go who he is. Charles Lindbergh actually was a chairman of the America First Commission. And I want to address this with this audience because I think it's really important.
SPEAKER 08 :
Got to be real quickly, Daniel.
SPEAKER 23 :
Yes, we're hearing people, this fracture of people on the right, the conservative base. And he said, hey, it's Europe's war. Let's not get involved. Hitler hasn't attacked us. Let's not. After Pearl Harbor was struck. The America First Commission was disbanded. How many lives could have been saved? Hitler, Iran is vulnerable right now. America doesn't have to get boots on the ground, don't have to spill any American blood, just support Israel. Israel is fighting radical Islam for the rest of the world, keeping the fight here in the Middle East instead of it in America's soil. Jody.
SPEAKER 08 :
Thank you, thank you, thank you so much, Daniel Cohen, host of the upcoming Daniel Cohen Show on Real Life Network. Cannot wait for that to get underway. God bless you as well, Daniel. All right, I want to switch over real quickly. As all this war rages, President Trump is still considering potential U.S. involvement in the conflict. And according to a statement today, we should know that within the next couple of weeks. So what might he do? Where could all this potentially go? I want to bring on, if we can, Congressman Andy Biggs from the 5th Congressional District of Arizona. Welcome back to Washington Watch. Andy, good to have you.
SPEAKER 04 :
Good to be with you, Jody. Thanks for having me.
SPEAKER 08 :
All right. Real quickly, what are your thoughts regarding President Trump's potential decision involving the U.S. and the Israel-Iran conflict?
SPEAKER 04 :
Well, let's just take a look at this. And Daniel, your previous guest, he got it right. Israel is handling this. And Israel has this under command and control. They've got the skies. They've wiped out about 60% to 75% of missile launch sites from Iran. They've basically cut off the head. And the people on the Iranian street, they're ready for regime change, which is what Israel is pursuing. President Trump actually doesn't need to do more than actually demand that, which he's done, that Iran surrender, give up its nuclear ambitions, and also provide support for Israel by way of which we are doing. He's providing that support. I also think that his 60-day negotiation strategy was the right strategy. So right now, in my opinion, President Trump doesn't have to do more than just keep status quo for the United States because Israel is, quite frankly, handling this horrible mess in the Middle East.
SPEAKER 08 :
Yeah, it's remarkable. Absolutely remarkable what Israel has been able to do, as Daniel shared just a moment ago, in such a short period of time. But what do you make in the backdrop of all of that with President Trump's decision to increase the presence of our own military assets in the region? I mean, we've got aircraft carriers headed there now, various fighter jets and so forth. What do you make of that?
SPEAKER 04 :
Well, for one thing, as you know, we have dotted around the Middle East, we have infrastructure, we've got facilities, and we also have personnel. And President Trump, from the very beginning of this, said, don't be touching our infrastructure and don't be touching our personnel. And I think that President Trump's taking a defensive posture, making sure that we have ample resources that should Iran decide to go rogue and go after the United States while we're staying out of it. But if you attack our installations, our facilities, our personnel, then you're going to have a major problem on your hand. And I think this is demonstrative for that purpose.
SPEAKER 08 :
Real quickly, and Congressman Andy Biggs, I'd like for you, if you would, to hold over during the break. I'd love to bring you back. I've got some more things I'd like to talk about. But what would need to happen, in your opinion, to convince President Trump to get directly involved in this conflict? What would have to happen for that to take place?
SPEAKER 04 :
I think you'd have to see something very deliberate on the part of Iran as an attack on our men, women, and our facilities. I think that would probably do it. I think that he's going to want to get congressional support, I think. But in any event, that's short of that. I think he's going to stay out and say basically what you and I have been talking about is that Israel has the munitions. They have the training. They have incredible intelligence, as we've seen, both from this attack against Iran plus the attack against the folks in Hamas. This is an amazing thing that Israel has done. And I think that President Trump is just saying, we're going to leverage that to protect the United States. And that's the key for me, Jody. I think that's what's going on.
SPEAKER 08 :
Congressman Andy Biggs, I want to thank you in advance for sticking around over the break. We've got lots more to talk about. Stay tuned, folks. We'll be back in just a moment.
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SPEAKER 08 :
Welcome back to Washington Watch. I am your host, Jody Heist. Today, filling in for Tony and my guest from the last segment, Andy Biggs, Congressman Andy Biggs from Arizona. Kind enough to stay over. Andy, thank you for staying over. I want to get into another topic here in just a moment. But before I do, there are one more question from our previous discussion on the war in Israel against Iran and so forth. The only big question mark here is the bunker busters capable of getting to the Fordow nuclear site. America's the only one with that capability. What happens with that in terms of U.S. getting involved? I know at the end of the day, we cannot allow Iran to have nuclear capabilities. So can we avoid involvement knowing that we're the ones with the capacity to take out the nuclear site?
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah, here's the deal. That would constitute an immediate escalation and involvement of the United States. And I'm not sure. I think that Israel has so weakened Tehran. Tehran is actually trying to find mediators to contact us and Israel to try to get out of this situation. That's what I'm hearing. And, you know, right now with all the rumors, is that true or not? But that's what we're hearing. I would guess that President Trump's reticent to get us involved any further in it Because if you do that, now all of a sudden you trigger US involvement. And does that trigger anybody else's involvement? And does that get to the heart of regime change? And if you go after regime change, does that look a lot like Afghanistan? Does it look a lot like Iraq? And does this get prolonged? I think that... Israel is capable of actually implementing their full projected battle plan. And when they do, you won't need the, whatever we call them, the bunker buster, the MOAB. You won't need that. You will have seen something remarkable happen from the small state of Israel.
SPEAKER 08 :
Amazing. Well, we will all find out within the next two weeks is what we're being told. So we'll see. I want to thank you for taking time on that. But if I can transition with you, Congressman Biggs, Republican members of the Committee on Oversight and Government Reform are now formally investigating the potential funding sources behind all these anti-ice riots that we've been seeing in L.A. and elsewhere. And evidently there is an individual that you guys are looking at, a billionaire who has ties potentially with the Chinese Communist Party. Let's go there. What do we know about this individual and what started the investigation?
SPEAKER 04 :
So this guy's name is Neville Singham. He's a billionaire. I think he's 71 years old. He was American born, but he and his wife reside in Shanghai. And it is reported that he is close to CCP officials. We also are made aware that he is basically funding a group called Socialism and Liberation. And there's a Socialism and Liberation group that was providing material for a lot of these ICE protesters, anti-ICE protesters. We're talking things like face masks and those types of things. And the question is, does he have ties with the CCP? And there are multiple reports, I would suggest. This probably came out of originally from New York Post, and then other groups have picked up on this, and they're kind of dovetailing on that. But the bottom line is, we need to know, first of all— This was not organic, by the way. We know this wasn't organic just by other addition evidence that we've seen, but that this was organized. So how was it organized? Well, we've been told that it was organized by, ostensibly by this group, SLI, along with some other Antifa type folks, maybe some BLM in there as well. But this guy here seems to be the money bags behind it. At least that's the allegation. That's the report. And so Chairman Comer and Subcommittee Chairman Luna and Subcommittee Chairman Green, along with most Republican members of the Oversight Committee, of which you were a proud subcommittee chair at one point, Jody, have all joined and actually sent this guy a letter. We want answers to these questions and we want him to make himself available for us to come in because we investigate.
SPEAKER 08 :
Incredible. Listen, hats off to you and everyone on Oversight for pursuing this. You know, all of us, I think America has sat back watching this knowing that somebody's been funding all this stuff. And by the way, the funding here that you're looking at, I'm assuming, is not just on the L.A. riots, but is this organization or this individual behind protests against anti-ICE type protests in other places across the country, I'm assuming? Do you know that?
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah, it's been reported that that this group has been involved with a lot of these protests. And, you know, the more violent ones are L.A. and Portland in particular. So the question is, are those stories accurate? And that's where you got to get to the bottom of because, Jody, these guys are engaged in criminality. And if you're funding them, guess what? You've you've committed a crime because you've aided and abetted.
SPEAKER 08 :
Do you have the capacity to subpoena him with him being in another country?
SPEAKER 04 :
You know, he is an American citizen, so you know how it is. We'll try to get him. And we do have some leverage points without me disclosing those right now, but we do have some leverage points that we're going to try and use. And if we can actually hit that leverage spots where this guy comes over here, that's great. If not, there is an organization that we can work on tracking down.
SPEAKER 08 :
Great. Real quickly, we've only got less than two minutes, but more news on the Hill. What's the latest on the budget reconciliation bill making its way through the Senate?
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah, so what I know is that Senator Mike Crapo has announced the bill. It looks like a lot of the tax provisions are going to remain fairly similar, except for there's going to be more permanent extensions, not just a 10-year extension. of the 2018 Tax Cuts and Jobs Act. What you're also gonna see, however, is some additional things with the tax plan that they've talked about. What I'm sad about is we're not eliminating the IRA, which is the Green New Deal. But what is good news is the Senate pared back the state and local tax exemption for high tax states, so they would get some kind of special subsidy. some kind of special dispensation. Those have been pared down from $40,000 in the House bill back to where they are currently, which is $10,000. So there's good and bad, and there's ugly in this bill, Jody, but it's making its way through.
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Congressman Andy Biggs of Arizona, dear friend, great leader in Congress and in our country, thank you for joining us on Washington Watch. Always great to see you. Thanks, Jody. Take care of yourself, man. You too. All right, friends, Oregon State House Representative will be joining me now. Next, you won't believe what took place on their House floor yesterday. Stay tuned. We'll be back with those details right after this.
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Thank you so much for joining us today on Washington Watch. Welcome back. I am Jody Heiss. An honor to be filling in for Tony today. All right. So-called Pride Month celebrations, probably most of us are recognizing the reality that they are certainly more muted this year. That would be all the celebrations of Pride Month. But that's not the case in Oregon. In fact, just yesterday, there was a bizarre celebration In fact, a grotesque performance in the Oregon legislative chambers where two drag queens took to the assembly floor in honor of a Democratic resolution recognizing, quote, the artistry of black drag performers. Incredible. And one of the legislators even went so far as to say that the whole so-called performance was a reminder of the cultural impact of drag. Folks, think about what does that mean? What is the impact exactly, other than desensitizing young people to sexual immorality? It's remarkable. How did the legislators, other legislators respond to this? Well, joining me now is one legislator from the state of Oregon, Representative Dwayne Yunker. Representative Yunker, welcome to Washington Watch. Thank you so much for joining us by phone.
SPEAKER 05 :
Thank you. Thank you for having me.
SPEAKER 08 :
Well, listen, it's an honor to have you. I'm still trying to wrap my brain around what happened on the House floor there at the Assembly Chamber. Tell me, how did you and some of your other colleagues react to this so-called performance?
SPEAKER 05 :
Well, the majority of the Republicans, which weren't a super minority, most of us were not on the floor. We refused to be on the floor. during the show, I would call it a show because it wasn't something that our founding fathers would ever dream of having on a House floor or a Senate floor, either in our state or in the U.S. Capitol. So most of us refused to be on the floor. Republicans in the House in Oregon, we pray during our caucus meetings before. Most of us have Christian values, the family values, marriage values. Those things are all important to us, and so most of us were grotesque that we'd be having a show that you would see in some underground, maybe in Portland, but no, it's going to be on the house floor of Oregon.
SPEAKER 08 :
It's stunning to me. I mentioned in the introduction coming into this that all of this so-called performance was tied to a Democratic resolution. And so I'm assuming that this was all just a part of one and the same. Tell us about what was the resolution that the Democrats felt so needy to bring a drag performance to the House chamber? What was the resolution? And what was the vote? How did it turn out?
SPEAKER 05 :
Yeah, so the House of Representatives was honoring black drag queens in the state of Oregon. This first was brought up in February, where it was honoring black drag queens in Portland, and then it drug out, and we were hoping it would go away, and then they pushed it through. And you've got to remember, Oregon, I'm trying to say this, but it's considered the gayest state, which is as being a, you know, someone who grew up here. It's horrible. But, you know, our governor is a, you know, first lesbian governor. She's very proud of those things. So this is just how things are happening with the Democratic Party. And so this, you know, we didn't know exactly what was going to happen. We didn't know there was going to be a drag queen thing and Um, most of us, you know, and obviously all the ladies from the Republican, they didn't want to be there. Now we had to, there was a couple of Republicans that had to be there because of quorum. So they were there. Um, and so every democratic vote, um, voted for it. Now there is two, and to be honest, there was two Republicans that voted for him and they're, um, in a kind of a purple area. I'm not sure why. They could have voted no. They didn't need our votes, but you'd have to pick that up with them.
SPEAKER 08 :
Wow. So given what you just described about the Democratic makeup of your state, were you surprised at what happened yesterday?
SPEAKER 05 :
No, no, I'm not surprised. This, you know, this is my second year in being a representative, and this is, you know, we... In our state, um, France is, is really pushed. You know, our, our, um, attorney general just came out yesterday against the Tennessee case that was, um, that they won, you know, not allowing transition of children. And of course our attorney general, it's a Democrat also puts out a statement. This is our values in Oregon. We're not going to, you know, we're not going to change. Um, the governor is the same way. They're very on board. of pushing these, you know, these... I don't know their values, but they're their values, not my values, not my Christian beliefs. You know, I've come from... I have two brothers that are ministers. Those are not my values. My family's values are a traditional family of, you know, mom and dad and, you know, children. So... But this is what we fight on every day. And, you know, we've pulled a bill to the floor twice this year, but it's a bill pull when you have a bill and you, you know... And you pulled out a committee to have a vote on it for this bill was about getting, you know, boys that are girls sports and the Democrats all vote. No, not one of them votes will vote with us. Um, so yeah, it's stunning. They, they don't want to recognize that there's differences between male and female that God created us differently for different roles. Um, there it, you know, we have them giving speeches on the floor.
SPEAKER 08 :
Got to leave it there. Thank you. Thank you, Oregon State Representative Dwayne Yunkert for joining me today. And thank you for your stand for decency. We appreciate it. Grateful for you joining us on Washington Watch. All right, friends, on the other side of the break, what's happening on the ground in Iran? We'll go there and give you info right after the break. Stay tuned.
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Welcome back to Washington Watch. Thank you so much for joining us today. I am your host, Jody Heiss, filling in today for Tony and a great honor to do so. Before I get to my final guest, I want to encourage you to join believers literally from all across the country for Lift Up Life. This is going to be a national day of prayer and fasting for the unborn. It's going to take place next Tuesday, the 24th, and at 10 o'clock a.m. Eastern Time, you can join in to a special prayer event featuring pastors and pro-life leaders from across the country as we lift up this urgent need to the Lord. And so if you don't have the Stand Firm app, you can join that event next Tuesday at 10 a.m. Eastern Time by having the Stand Firm app, or you can go to liftuplifeday.com. That's one word, liftuplifeday.com. Or you can simply text the word PRAY to 67742. So check this out. This is an important time, and the battle for life is far, far from over. This is a time for us to be urgent and purposeful, intentional in prayer and fasting for that cause. So get more information. Pray to 67742. All right, Israeli Prime Minister Netanyahu has made it clear that Israel's war is against the Iranian regime, not the people of Iran. The brutality and ferocity of the current regime is certainly well documented, and that includes, among a host of other things, tremendous oppression on many minority groups within Iran, including Christians, for sure. But could all of that potentially change as a result of this war? And what effect is the war having so far on the Iranian people right now? Well, here to discuss this is Dr. Harmoz Sheriat. He's the founder and president of Iran Alive Ministries. Dr. Sheriat, welcome back to Washington Watch. Great to have you.
SPEAKER 03 :
Thank you, Jody, for inviting me to share.
SPEAKER 08 :
Give us a recap of what's happening on the ground in Iran. There's a lot of news, I think, coming out of Israel, but what's happening on the ground in Iran since this whole war started on June 13th?
SPEAKER 03 :
Well, I'm in touch with them daily. As you may know, we have a 24-7 satellite broadcast with the internet cut. We have many viewers and we have many leaders inside Iran. So I'm in touch with them. There is a lot of suffering, but let me make this point that The attack of Israel, that's what the people of Iran have been asking Netanyahu to do. That's strange. But the last year, they have been saying, hey, would you do the same that you did to Lebanon? You eliminated their... Leaders one by one with pinpoint laser accuracy. Would you do that to us? Iranian people have been saying that for the last year. And so they welcome this attack, strangely. That's very strange. People will ask another country, would you attack us? But they were hoping this. They were hoping that Netanyahu and Israel will take out the supreme leader, the top leaders, and there will be a change of government without much price to pay. And it hasn't been that way for much of the time. But people of Iran are hopeful. There are two types of people talking to each other. One is saying, hey, we told you war is ugly. Why did you want war? And the other group are saying, well, we know we have to pay a price. We have been paying a price for the last 45 years with our lives. Our loved ones have been killed and we are going to continue to pay a price. Why not pay a little price for a short time for the government to change? So overall, the people of Iran are hopeful.
SPEAKER 08 :
That's remarkable. Dr. Harmoz Shariat with Iran Alive Ministries. I have actually read some of those accounts. I was looking forward to having you on to verify the fact that some of the Iranians have been asking for this. So let's just go there a little bit further. Let me ask it to you this way. The strikes from Israel on Iran, What does that reveal to the Iranians about the Israeli government?
SPEAKER 03 :
They always respected the Israeli government. Actually, may I say, Netanyahu is more popular in Iran than in his own country. And Israel is a country that people of Iran are looking up to. They have been saying, hey, we could have been there, like Israel. If this Islamic government wasn't ruling us, we could be the power, we could have the center of technology and wealth in the Middle East. So they're looking up to Israel as a nation. And may I say something? I've been telling our Jewish friends, and now the people of Iran are saying it, they're saying, hey, at one time, In the Old Testament, Cyrus, our king, set your people free. Now it's your turn to return the favor and you set our people free. So they're seeing that historical favor that Cyrus gave to the Jewish people, set them free and send them back and give them money to build the temple. They're saying this is historical that they're returning a favor.
SPEAKER 08 :
Wow, that's remarkable. I want to, if I can, I want to play a video clip for you of Iran's permanent representative to the United Nations, a statement he made earlier this week regarding how the Iranian regime has responded to Israel. So play clip one for me, if you would, please.
SPEAKER 01 :
We focused only on military and economic assets involved in the aggression. Unlike the Israeli regime, Iran respects the international humanitarian law. We did not target civilians.
SPEAKER 08 :
All right. I hope you were able to hear that. What would your response to that be?
SPEAKER 03 :
Iranian government has shown that there is no morality. There is no commitment to truth. Even when they signed for the agreement in the past, they have agreed multiple times. They've agreed about stopping the nuclear activities, but they continued, they lied. So they want to look good, but you can never trust them. And at this point, this is my feeling, they're attacking the civilians in Israel hoping that Israel will attack the civilians in Iran. Why? Because the Iranian government knows that the people of Iran are pro-Israel. They want Israel to attack, but only military targets and top leadership, not people. So if Israel makes that mistake of attacking the civilians, then the Iranian government will win. They would tell their own people, see, they don't care about you. We told you Israel has no intention to set you free. They hate you. So it's a survival mode for the Iranian government. They would lie. They would do anything to survive.
SPEAKER 08 :
Amazing. So let's – how does the – attitude of the Iranian people differ from their own government. I mean, it sounds like you're laying out a scenario where the people as a whole, and I'm sure there are some people who probably agree with the indoctrination that they have received from the Iranian government and so forth, but you're describing a scenario where many, and I don't know what percentage or how many that may be, but the Iranian people differ from their government. Is that what you're saying?
SPEAKER 03 :
Oh, totally. There is a major gap between Iran, Iranian people and the government. It took 45 years to get there. Whatever the government of Iran stands for, the people are against. So when they come out, the Iranian government with its own people, which are about 10, 15% of the population, when they come out and say, death to America, death to Israel, the people of Iran say they might be, they are probably good people. Iranians, I would say, I can boldly say this. The only nation that loves Israel, at least an Islamic nation that loves Israel right now is Iran. Maybe more than any other nation in the world. Iranians love Israel and U.S.,
SPEAKER 08 :
Wow. So what outcome do the Iranian citizens want from this attack? I mean, what are they hoping for?
SPEAKER 03 :
They're hoping for the change of government with the least amount of casualties, civilian casualties, the least price they have to pay, because they paid a big price the last 20 years. Multiple times they came on streets and they protested. And the government of Iran was so cruel, killed thousands, Thousands of them, arrested tens of thousands of them, and tortured, raped, and then executed many. And let me make this point. Iranian government is telling its own people today, we may be weak towards the outsiders, towards Israel, towards US. We may have lost our proxy forces in the Middle East. But hey, watch out. We are strong towards you. Just dare come on streets. We will have no mercy. So Iranian people know that. That's why even the government of Iran is so weak. You don't see major protests on the streets because the people of Iran know, even though the government of Iran is so weak, it's strong towards them. If they come on the streets, they will kill tens of thousands of them with no mercy.
SPEAKER 08 :
Wow. So... Is there a possibility? It sounds like you were saying the people want a regime change. That certainly is a political possibility now. Is there a potential of a worse regime change if that were to happen? Could the outcome go that direction, or are you pretty confident that it would be for the good if there is a regime change?
SPEAKER 03 :
Knowing the Iranian culture, this is a personal view. Many Iranians are thinking very positive that if this government changes, we're going to have democracy, we're going to have heaven on earth. But knowing the culture of the Middle East, I say the Middle East is not ready for democracy. So unfortunately, my opinion is if this government goes, the problems will not go away and there will be internal conflict. Of course, many people know that, still say, hey, we want that. Let's go to the next step. We know the road will not be easy, but let's take the first step to get rid of this government. Then we will work it out. But it's not going to be easy. If Khamenei is in power, it's very bad. And if he goes, it's going to be bad also. It's going to be hard days and months ahead of us.
SPEAKER 08 :
So it's going to be probably worse before it gets better, but it can all change. Let me ask you this question that comes to me a lot, and I think someone like you would have a better perspective than most people I know, at least. Do you see any prophetic significance right now as to what's happening between these two countries?
SPEAKER 03 :
Of course, you know, Jeremiah 49, verses 34 to 39, you go there, and I've written that in my book, Iran Alive, Iran's Great Awakening. My book is called Iran's Great Awakening. I wrote it five years ago, but you read the middle chapters, it's the current events. I write there, according to Jeremiah 49, that Israel and other nations will attack Iran and attack, you know, it says I will break the bow of Iran. That's missile sites. That's the nuclear sites, the military targets. So it's happening. Jeremiah 49, 34 and on is happening today. It might not be the final, but it's towards the end. towards the fulfillment of those prophecies. And Iranian people, this is what we've used. We have a 24-7 channel. That's what I'm sharing with the people of Iran. The moment this war started, we started having live broadcasts every day and presenting these verses to Iranian people, saying it's really bad, but hey, It's going to be bad for a while, but God has promised the end is going to be great. Jeremiah 49, 38, God says, I will set my throne in Elam, which is completely inside Iran. And then the following verse, he says, I will restore the fortunes of Iran. So the end is good. We're giving people hope. And we're getting so many stories. I encourage you to go to our website, iranalive.org. Sign up. You're going to receive great stories and also up-to-date news. You won't read it in the major medias.
SPEAKER 08 :
That sounds great. So give me this. What is the state of the gospel in Iran? And what is Iran Alive Ministries doing right now? Are you seeing an awakening spiritually take place in regard to Christianity?
SPEAKER 03 :
Absolutely. Iranians are very open to the gospel. Iran has the fastest growing evangelical population in the world. We are seeing thousands come to Christ. We are seeing right now 1,200 converts that contact us. And we have had over 100,000 people that have contacted us, prayed with us. And I do a curve. How many people are coming every month? And I would show you, and you will be shocked. The curve is like an exponential growth. The number of salvation is growing exponentially. And we at Iran, we are good at evangelism, but we're working on training them. Did you know we have an online school and we have over 4,700 students, most of them from Iran, They want to be trained. They say, we are hungry for the word of God. Pastor Hormuz, train us. We want to serve the Lord. There is a supernatural hunger for the people of Iran for the true God. They come to Christ. And healthy babies, they're hungry for the word. And I want to encourage your viewers, would you pray for us? And would you join us to disciple this nation? They're so hungry. Would you join us and broadcast your programs on our channel? Let them hear the gospel. They're hungry. They will sit there for hours and listen to the gospel teaching.
SPEAKER 08 :
What great, great, great news. Dr. Harmoz Shariat, thank you so much for joining us today. Iran Alive Ministries, I want to encourage our viewers and listeners to check that out. And as we have just been asked, Now is the time for us to be in prayer for Israel, for Iran, for their citizens, for the good hand of God to powerfully be at work in these countries for kingdom purposes. Dr. Chariot, thank you so much for joining us. God bless you. All right, friends, that wraps up this edition of Washington Watch. Hope you have a fantastic evening, and we'll see you again tomorrow right here.
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Logan Sekulow issues a critical examination of mainstream media's portrayal of Christian motivations associated with supporting Israel, particularly in light of recent comments labeling some as 'rapture preppers.' The episode sheds light on the profound misinterpretations of evangelical beliefs while addressing the reality of Iran's state-backed threats. Through candid analysis and listener interactions, the discussion underscores the gravity of ensuring safety for Americans abroad and fostering informed support for Israel based on both strategy and faith.
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back plans in iran keeping you informed and engaged now more than ever this is seculo we want to hear from you share and post your comments or call 1-800-684-3110 And now your host, Logan Sekulow.
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Welcome to Sekulow. This is Logan Sekulow. Will Haynes is joining me in studio. Will, sometimes, you know what? You end up running right into studio right before your last meeting, and that's exactly what happened. And I hurt my calf on the way in, so Will's texting me, you got 30 seconds. And I'm like, I'm trying, man. Okay, I'm an old man. I'm almost 40.
SPEAKER 04 :
You need to train some more. You got to train for those sprints.
SPEAKER 08 :
I know. I just sprinted bad, man. Sprint is bad. But you know what? There is some interesting news. And look, we're going to talk about The headline that you're seeing right now, if you're watching on YouTube or Rumble, you're seeing the headline of that President Trump has approved the plans, the attack plans. And that is true. Now. He has not said go ahead. But the plan is set. So we're going to talk about what that means. My dad, Jay Sekulow, is going to be joining us. Who else is coming up today?
SPEAKER 04 :
We also have Rick Grinnell later in the broadcast who will be talking about a lot of these issues and giving his insight. But what we've seen, the reports are that President Trump has been given plans by the military, by the Pentagon, of how the U.S. would attack Iran in those nuclear facilities. And according to the press reports, President Trump has approved of the framework of the plan that the Pentagon has put together. Now, what he has not approved yet is the go ahead to carry out this strike.
SPEAKER 08 :
It wasn't on a text thread that was released.
SPEAKER 04 :
I'm sure Jonah Goldberg is getting to the bottom of that, or Jeffrey Goldberg, rather, is getting to the bottom of that at the Atlantic right now. Let's rank our Goldbergs. All right, number one, Bill Goldberg. Number two, hockey goalie Goldberg. Right, from the Mighty Ducks.
SPEAKER 08 :
Number three, of those two, I don't even know. Probably Jonah Goldberg of those two. And then Whoopi Goldberg, I don't even know where you'd put Whoopi Goldberg. If we were talking about 90s Whoopi Goldberg, I mean, number three.
SPEAKER 01 :
Yeah, obviously.
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Current Whoopi Goldberg, maybe not as much. All right. We're going to continue this discussion. Phone lines are open for you at 1-800-684-3110. Also, we're going to talk about this a little bit later in the show. You're not going to want to miss this. You know what, Will? I hate to admit this publicly out loud, but I was watching CNN last night. You normally chastise me for doing that, Logan. Well, here's what I'll give it to CNN. Sometimes when it comes to international news, they seem to still have the most resources, right? So though I disagree with what they're saying, a lot of times the live footage and those kind of things, I like to watch what they're doing because I think they have a good swath of people that are in the Middle East covering this. So I find that interesting. But I flipped it on and it was middle of one of the commentary shows. Right. And I couldn't believe, I mean, it became a little bit viral. I could not believe what I heard and what they were calling Mike Johnston and Ted Cruz and all of you, you know, conservative Christian MAGA Republicans, if you will. really going after people based on their faith. We're going to play it a little later because I want you to just stay tuned for it because it was just one of those moments realize how far their finger is off of the pulse of the American people, how little they understand about the Christian faith, but they are so happy to throw it under the bus. You know, the Christians who were responsible for so much of the good work that's been done all over the world. But of course, the reasons they support Israel can't be anything but selfish and It can't be anything but end times-ish. It can't be that we actually can see right from wrong. And yes, the Bible has some commands in there that we do represent, we do support in terms of what right and wrong is. I want to hear from you at 1-800-684-3110. Of course, the U.S. Embassy has even been working to evacuate Americans from Israel. They sent out urgent notice. So a lot of this is happening right now. You'll see that on the screen. That's from Mike Huckabee. who said urgent notice American citizens wanted to leave Israel. We're working on evacuation flights, cruise ship flights or cruise ship departures. I know that state of Florida has been paying for some of these as well to get a lot of Americans who live in Israel or spend time in Israel out if they so choose. Also, Mike Huckabee, Ambassador Huckabee, put out a great text that he sent to President Trump. I think we should pull that up. That was a couple of days ago, but I think it shows how important this is to him and how he was the right guy for this job to be ambassador of Israel and really the most important time. It is a wild time in this country and around the world. But I am thankful that we have certain people in certain positions. Phone lines are open for you, as I said, at 1-800-684-3110. If you want to continue to support our work and our work in Israel at the ACLJ Jerusalem, do it today. Go to ACLJ.org. Become a champion if you can. We'll be right back. Welcome back to Sekulow. My dad, Jay Sekulow, is joining us in studio. Obviously, we are covering all, not in studio, via phone, but we are covering a lot of what's happening right now. It seems like it's wild because it is a very wild time. Of course, this also comes on the heels of an attack of an Israeli hospital by Iran. Of course, they're using some of the reasons why they feel that that was necessary. Dad, I want to get your point of view as it does feel a bit more chaotic this morning.
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Well, I think the intensity of what's about to happen is becoming... a reality. And in that regard, Logan, I think it's important for people to understand that the attack on the hospital that took place last night is a violation of the law of armed conflict and violates the Rome Statute, which governs the International Criminal Court, Section 8 in particular, which states that hospitals are off limits unless they're being used for military purposes. In other words, Sometimes Hamas and Hezbollah we know have utilized hospitals to launch rockets. That's not, of course, what the Israelis do. Israel Defense Forces do not do that. So it is a complete violation of the law of armed conflict. It's a complete violation of international law. I instructed our legal team this morning to prepare what's called a protest letter that goes to both the United Nations and and the Security Council, as well as the International Criminal Court. They're very quick, these entities, these international tribunals, they're very quick to attack Israel and to bring charges against Israel. I mean, they currently have Benjamin Netanyahu under indictment, which is absurd, but there you have it. Here, you have an attack on a civilian hospital, clearly violates law of armed conflict in international law, And we've heard nothing from these international tribunals. And that's why we activated this morning our international teams to work on preparing the necessary documents immediately. And I'm planning on filing tomorrow. And by the way, you mentioned Ambassador Huckabee. I've been in communication with him this morning and for about two hours back and forth. And Look, I mean, I told him, I said, you have been called to this kingdom for such a time as this. There's no doubt in my mind that he was the right person to be the ambassador to Israel. None of us knew, of course, that it would be in this context of what we're dealing with. But he said, look, on the ground, things are tense, as you can imagine. But, of course, he's fully supporting the administration, a part of which he is. He serves in the administration and believes the president has the right plans in place.
SPEAKER 08 :
I think so, Will. You got something?
SPEAKER 04 :
I can tell you on the tip of your tongue. When you look at this strike on this hospital, and miraculously, no one was killed in this strike. And a lot of that has to do with the Israelis having the ability to warn and to try and prepare. But obviously, when a hospital is struck, that is a big undertaking of getting people to safety. There were 70 to 80 injuries, they're saying. But this is the hospital, one of the main places that victims of October 7th were treated. And we know that the jihadis love symbolism, that you can't lose the fact that when they strike civilian targets, it is to sow more terror. We know that Iran is the largest state sponsor of terror. And I think even that pointing that out to people makes it all much more important why we have to get this document to the UN and to these international bodies to try and point out what the Iranian regime is trying to do here.
SPEAKER 06 :
No doubt about it. And this hospital is in Beersheba. And of course, you know that those areas from scripture and these are the ancient lands of Israel. Here's what you have, though. Don't think for a moment that the Iranians did not target this hospital. This wasn't incidental fire. This wasn't something that wasn't planned. They planned to hit a hospital. By the way, they did a lot of damage to that hospital, and that hospital is needed, especially in a time of war. So they have clearly violated international law. But let me tell you what you have to do here. We have to build... a support base for the legal side of this, because as much as you wish this wasn't the case, but it is the case, the international tribunals are going to get in there and start, you know, doing what they always do, and that is go after Israel rather than the perpetrators of international crimes. So what we're doing by setting this letter in immediately, this protest, It puts the U.N. on notice. It puts the Security Council on notice. We have standing through our European Center for Law and Justice, where Jordan is right now. We have standing to do this. And we'll also do the same, of course, in the International Criminal Court, where we've actually appeared before on Israel's behalf and on behalf of the United States and other proceedings. So, you know, we're one of the few law firms in the world that have had that kind of experience. I've been on the floor of that at the International Criminal Court in the courtroom for weeks. back in 2020. I mean, so 20 in the end of 2019. So we know this tribunal, we know what happens, and we are taking the appropriate response legally to defend Israel's actions, but also to put those entities on notice that there have in fact been violations of international law by the Islamic Republic of Iran.
SPEAKER 08 :
A lot of people, Dad, are watching this and they are seeing, and it kind of broke my heart last night, I'm watching all the coverage and realizing that the talking points from the other side are winning and they're even winning in some of the conservative sector, maybe even more so with this. Because look, President Trump was pretty strong saying, I don't want to drag us into new wars. I don't want to get us involved in these kind of wars. But now what you've seen is sort of the traditional anti-Semitic tropes being now used and thrown in at a point where I even saw the, The hardest of anti-Trump Christians, I would say that the hardest of anti-Trump Christians or Jon Stewart saying, I want to give Tucker Carlson a hug. I really wish I'm sitting there nodding, going, oh, man, he's saying what we've been wanting to say. And they're saying this about someone who they probably were calling the devil just a few months ago. But now, because he is all of a sudden against this war in Iran. seemingly that's enough for the other side and for those who are ready to be, I guess, more radicalized on the right to still draw up against Israel.
SPEAKER 06 :
You know, the whole situation with some in the conservative movement, including Tucker and some of the others, Candace Owen, some of these others. The anti-Israel tropes and the anti-Israel statements and the end of the Trump presidency is ridiculous. President Trump's lasting legacy, one of them, will be the destruction of Iran's capacity to invoke nuclear weapons against my grandchildren. And that's how I want our listeners to be thinking about this. Remember, these countries, these entities, the Islamic Republic of Iran, they don't think in years. They think in generations. And we have to be that same kind of response. And I want this threat eliminated for my grandchildren, period.
SPEAKER 04 :
And President Trump will do it. And as we were about to get to the end of the segment here, but one question coming off of that is that we have seen reports that President Trump, with consultation with the Pentagon, has approved the attack plans. So what the Pentagon would carry out, but has decided as of right now not to move forward with them. So they have the plan in place, but they are. waiting until the appropriate time or if the Iranians decide to completely surrender. But as we see this, it does seem that the president is clear eyed about this threat and is working appropriately with the Pentagon to move forward if necessary for the U.S. to engage.
SPEAKER 06 :
Well, the Pentagon works for the president. He's the commander. And remember, under Article one, he's the commander in chief under Article two. And he has the authority to to do this. Now, here's the issue. He has, you know, obviously they've war-gamed this, they've planned it. What the president hasn't publicly stated is when and what time, if he would implement and when it would be. And let me tell you something, he is not going to tell the world when it's going to be, except maybe our allies in the highest levels. He is not going to go on you know tv and say we're doing it tomorrow at three o'clock so the president has the plan that was put together by the pentagon they're confident in that but the decision of whether to utilize it he's called for a full surrender of iran the decision to utilize his presidential authority an article to his commander-in-chief is up to him not congress not anyone else
SPEAKER 08 :
That's precisely why we have also the ACLJ offices in Jerusalem. And while those will continue on, look, I know this is right now a time where Ambassador Huckabee is saying, hey, if you want to get out, you can get out, you can get back home. We do have Americans who live there, at least part-time, like Jeff Balaban, who is on the show every week. I was on the show yesterday, who do spend a lot of their time in Israel. And I think even Ambassador Huckabee's response to this saying, essentially, I'm not going anywhere, is pretty strong because we need to have those voices. Yes.
SPEAKER 06 :
Yeah, and there's hundreds of thousands of Americans. I think it's 600,000 Americans or dual citizens in Israel right now that are American citizens as well. So Ambassador Huckabee, Mike's got a big job that he's dealing with, and he's dealing with it with a reduced staff because of the situation. But he's got complete command of his embassy and knows what to do. He knows the position of the United States. Obviously, he is an ambassador, which means through the State Department, but he works for the president. And he definitely was the right guy at the right time. And we need to hear his voice. I think it's very important that Mike be able to speak on this. But I also want to thank our ACLJ champions and members. We can't do this without you. And your support of this enabled me to make the call this morning to activate our teams on the legal side.
SPEAKER 08 :
All right, right now I'm going to ask you, as you said, to become an ACLJ champion. We get back, and you can do that by going to ACLJ.org and scanning that QR code you see on the screen right now. I do also want to hear from you at 1-800-684-3110. And if this hasn't irritated you enough, just wait until you hear what CNN said about you Christians. We'll be right back. Welcome back to Secular. We are continuing our coverage of the war, but also, you have to hear this, okay? If you did see the headline, by the way, a lot of you maybe are tuning in saying, what is the Trump-approved plan? He has set a plan that has been approved by President Trump for an attack on Iran. Now... He has not given the green light to that plan, but the plan is set. It has been set in motion. So they are ready to go whenever they decide whether it is time or not. And it seems like as more time ticks on that that very well could happen. Now, I was watching television last night, Will, as some people do. And you know what? During wartime, these kind of things, I find myself actually going to traditional news, seeing what's happening. I know that's not the case. You guys should be watching here and all that. But look, we have people on the ground in Israel like Jeff Balaban, but they have people live at 4 o'clock in the morning. And I'm like, all right, I'm going to go flip it on and see what's happening. When I flipped it on, it was on one of those panel shows where there's a bunch of people talking. And I could not believe... The words that were coming out of this was Jennifer Welch on CNN. Now, of course, they are talking about Christians and Christians' support of Israel. Some of this coming out of the conversation between Ted Cruz and Tucker Carlson, where Ted Cruz said, I believe that we should support Israel, if you want to break it down the most simply, because the Bible commands us to. Now, again, you can go back and forth on what that conversation really looks like, what that is, but that is sort of the start of this. And she's referring first to Mike Johnston, then throws Ted Cruz into this. And this shows you not only the fundamental disrespect for people of faith, also the fundamental misunderstanding of scripture and how Christians actually believe that we are not this way, that this is not the way. But of course, this is how they're going to portray you as some wackadoo who is doing this support of Israel for your own good. Let's listen, bite one, Jennifer Welch, CNN, last night.
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I mean, the Speaker of the House, Mike Johnson, he's a rapture prepper. This guy's waiting for the rapture, just like Ted Cruz is. So you have this whole sect of MAGA that they support Israel because they want the Jews to be in Israel so that Jesus can come back for the rapture. And that's a very real thing that's in Congress. And that's not foreign policy. That's magical thinking.
SPEAKER 08 :
So again, I'm going to reiterate that for you. What is Mike Johnson? Other than the Speaker of the House, what is Ted Cruz? Other than a respected senator, someone who's been around for a long time. These aren't trusted sources. These are rapture preppers. These are people, and I've never even heard the term rapture prepper in my life until last night. And I've been involved in evangelical Christianity my entire life, and I haven't heard a lot of people throw in there the term rapture prepper. So, of course, they do this as an insult. They say this is an insult that you only would support Israel because you believe the Jewish people have to return to Israel so then Jesus can come back and you can have the second coming. As if the Christian faith, some ways we can control the hand of God, that we can move the hand of God to bring the end times on earlier. Now, there's a lot of Christians also, by the way, and I don't know about Mike Johnson's plans. I don't know about Ted Cruz's theology. They're not even sure if the rapture is part of their biblical text. I don't know for sure. I don't sit around time worrying about it. What I worry about is my children. What I worry about is my Jewish children that can't walk the streets of America right now displaying their heritage. That people have told me, people you'd be shocked to hear, have told me to put away my necklace, to put away my Star of David and cross, because it could incite certain people who watch this show. But they have the audacity to go on and call us Christians rapture preppers. You know what, Will? I've said this before, and it's just true. They throw these horrible terms at you, and you know what? Embrace them. Embrace it. If you want to be a rapture prepper, bring it on. You want to call me a rapture prepper? That's fine. I am waiting for the second coming of Jesus. That's correct. So much so, well, I don't know, maybe some of y'all want to go over to raptureprepper.com and see what happens. Maybe I was having a little fun last night because I do think when they throw these insults out at you, You have to be able to, number one, take it, but also understand how fundamentally backwards they are because as a Christian, they have no idea what they're talking about.
SPEAKER 04 :
That's right. And when you have someone on your show Newsnight, this is Abby Phillips' show, that is a panelist that is an interior designer and a podcast host. And she is speaking into foreign policy commentary. Be very clear what that wasn't. It was not commentary on foreign policy. It was anti-Christian bigotry. It's what we're seeing around the country. It's what we saw the weaponization of the Department of Justice and the FBI and the previous administration against people of faith. But one thing that she missed because she was so focused on thinking that the Speaker of the House and a senator from Texas don't have real foreign policy. They have, quote, magical thinking about this ushering in the apocalypse. What she's missing and what she doesn't understand is that is the exact theology of the Ayatollahs. The Ayatollah in Iran and the IRGC, they have a form of Shia Islam called Twelverism. where what they can do, a part of their theology, is usher in, they can control, ushering in their messianic 12th Imam, where they will rule the world if they do simple things like destroy Israel and commit genocide against Jews. So when they are chanting in the street, death to America, death to Israel, that is actually their theocratic doctrine, right? where they are trying to usher in the end times. Her mistake and misunderstanding about theology and differences in different denominations of Christian churches fails to see the forest for the trees because the bigger issue is the real theocracy, the real dictatorship in Iran. that is working towards the elimination of the state of israel so even if you aren't a religious person at all where can you thrive in the middle east if you're a christian if you're a muslim if you're an atheist israel where will you be put in jail and beheaded iran and what does iran want to do kill an entire people group To bring about the end of the world in an apocalyptic fashion. She has no clue what she's talking about. That's what happens when CNN has unserious people on their shows to talk about serious topics.
SPEAKER 08 :
Yeah, and to just anger the people who are watching. I flipped on CNN, not out of hate watching. I flipped it on because, look, I'll give them their credit when the credit is due. A lot of times they have better international coverage than a lot of the other networks. They have the cameras there. They have the crews there. They've been there for 50 years, it feels like at this point now, with CNN launching in the late 70s. This is not something new. So when I flipped it on, I was expecting to see some live coverage, 4 a.m., see what's going on in Israel. It was starting to be daylight in Israel. I think it was around 6 a.m. Israeli time, and I try to follow what's happening. And to flip it on, and not only to just be insulted about my faith, but to take someone who is the Speaker of the House, Mike Johnson, Out of nowhere, by the way, because Ted Cruz, they at least could have a reason. It was in the zeitgeist in the moment. Right. He's a rapture prepper. He's someone that's there prepping for the rapture saying, hey, let's get involved in this war because that means Jesus is going to come back. Again, not only a fundamental misunderstanding, but an insult to all of us who do believe that Jesus will come back, but also understands that that's not something that's within our control. But there are certain things that we can at least stand for and fight for. And as I said, if you want to label me a rapture prepper, bring it on. I am more than happy to be one. Like I said, I was having some fun. So if you find your way over to raptureprepper.com, maybe you'll see a coffee mug, maybe you'll see a t-shirt, maybe a button or a sticker you can throw on your car. I don't know. I was fired up last night, okay? I was just, I really do think this is something that everyone needs to hear. They need to hear this is what's coming out of your mainstream media. A lot of this country identifies as Christians, but no, we're just a bunch of rapture preppers. So with that, I encourage you to support the work of the ACLJ. because we're going to be there for you. We know what it truly means to be a Christian who believes in life, liberty, and freedom all around the world. So right now, go to aclj.org. We have a second half hour coming up, and I want you to join us. Again, aclj.org.
SPEAKER 07 :
Keeping you informed and engaged, now more than ever, this is Seculo. And now your host, Logan Sekulow.
SPEAKER 08 :
Welcome back to Sekulow. If you didn't catch the first half hour, you may have seen me a little bit more fired up here in that last segment. My dad, Jay Sekulow, was also on the show earlier. And if you are just joining us right now, you may have seen the title on our show that was the evacuation plans as President Trump approves the attacks on Iran. Now, I think, well, let's give a... Before I go back into CNN and start talking about my issues with their rapture prepper statement... Let's reset why people are maybe tuning in right now. They want to hear about this. President Trump has approved a plan that would get America involved.
SPEAKER 04 :
However, approved doesn't mean the green light. That's right. So what is being reported is that President Trump has, and we know he has been meeting with National Security Council, the Secretary of Defense, multiple times over the last few days, multiple times a day even, and talking about what's going on. We now are seeing reports that he has approved the plan that has been presented to him by of how america would get involved we don't know the details of that plan and we do not know when that plan would occur and according to reports he is not given the go-ahead to execute the plan just that this is the plan we will use should we use it we also are seeing that the ambassador to israel from the united states former governor mike huckabee has put out a statement that the embassy there is working to evacuate Americans that want to leave the country. This is one of the biggest jobs of an ambassador in such times of conflict is to help get Americans safely back home should they want to go. The embassy there has been closed for multiple days because of the threat of the incoming ballistic missiles. But they are working to get flights as well as use cruise ships to get people to places where they could get other flights back home to the United States. So that is in place right now, as well as we are seeing that the United States has a plan should they choose to use it against the Islamic Republic of Iran.
SPEAKER 08 :
Yeah, let's go ahead and take a phone call related to this. I'd like to go to Bobby, who's calling in New York, listening on the radio. And if you'd like to be on the air as well, we're going to take more calls coming up. Next segment, Rick Grinnell joining us next segment? Yes. So next segment's a perfect time. This is a great time to call. You can get in line, and we'll take all the calls towards the end of the show. But Bobby, you're on the air.
SPEAKER 03 :
Hi, Will. Hi, Logan. Logan is cool, isn't he? My theory is that if Israel would have been allowed to take out the supreme leader five days ago or however long ago it was that they wanted to do that, my theory is that the war would have been over by now because it seems to me that your supreme leader is pushing all of this to go forward and is pushing all of these atrocities that are happening. I'd like your comment on that, and thanks, guys.
SPEAKER 08 :
Bobby, thank you for the kind words since I got paid you because Logan is cool. It's not something I've heard a lot in my lifetime, but I appreciate it. But Bobby, I don't know about that. I do think that you have to, that's the last straw. And if you're willing to pull that trigger, if you will, You have to expect the global consequences of it. And you have Iran, who is in major relationships with a lot of other superpowers that are scary, to be honest. So when you start talking about, look, they took out all the leadership around him. But when you're talking about going in for the Ayatollah. It is a different scenario that could end very differently. Not saying it's not going to happen, by the way. I'm just saying they have to be very strategic with that move.
SPEAKER 04 :
Well, and there were reports that Israel had that on the table early last week on Friday and that it was actually vetoed by the United States saying don't do that. There's a lot of intelligence that goes into that as well. The son of the Ayatollah is seen as the next in line and he's younger, more radical, more Sometimes when you've been the Ayatollah for long enough, there is a little bit of pragmatism, even though you're a genocidal state. But it's what comes next is always the enemy you know is sometimes better than the enemy that you don't. So I think that that could be in play. But now Israel's rhetoric, especially after this hospital bombing, I think the time of the regime may be coming to a sunset pretty quickly. That would be nice.
SPEAKER 08 :
All right, hey, phone lines are open for you. As I said, Matthew, Mary, stay on hold. We'll get to you. We got a few lines open for you at 1-800-684-3110. We're going to get Rick Grinnell's thoughts and feedback as well. Well, all you rapture preppers out there, CNN called you. All those Christians who support Israel, you're just wanting to do it because you want Jesus to come back. Well, you know what? We're planning on it. Phone lines are open for you. As I said, support the work of the ACLJ at ACLJ.org. We'll be right back. Welcome back to Seculo, former director of national intelligence and good friend of ours, former ambassador. Rick Grinnell's joining us, special envoy Rick Grinnell. And look where Rick is joining us from. I have no idea where you are right now, Rick. It's not the orange glow of California, it looks like. I thought that was D.C.
SPEAKER 02 :
D.C.'
SPEAKER 04 :
's normally so gorgeous this time of year, right?
SPEAKER 02 :
Oh, yeah. Yeah. This is the orange glow of Manhattan Beach, California. I'm at my home.
SPEAKER 08 :
Wonderful, beautiful. Look, Rick, I'm going to play you this segment because we've talked a lot about people that grew up, including us, and sort of the evangelical movement, everything that's happened in the world of... really christians and christians relationship with israel over our entire lifetime and really since i'd say the you know the 80s kind of is when everything started to really become that part of that conversation you know johnny cash was largely to do with that you can look up that's interesting story but that being said this is on cnn last night and yes i hate to admit i was watching uh a bit of their international coverage i flipped it on and The verbiage that were coming out of their commentators in reference to Mike Johnson and Ted Cruz and the reasons why they say, oh, well, this is why these people are supporters of Israel. It has nothing to do with the Jewish people. It has nothing to do with, you know, it's selfish because here's why. Take a listen to this, Rick, by one.
SPEAKER 09 :
The Speaker of the House, Mike Johnson, he's a rapture prepper. This guy's waiting for the rapture, just like Ted Cruz is. So you have this whole sect of maggot that they support Israel because they want the Jews to be in Israel so that Jesus can come back for the rapture. And that's a very real thing that's in Congress. And that's not foreign policy. That's magical thinking.
SPEAKER 08 :
All right, Rick, the magical thinking of us rapture preppers. I mean, I could see your reaction on the side camera because when you hear this, you go, how fundamentally wrong do they not even understand at all who they're talking about and really just decide, let's just insult these people to their face, the speaker of the house.
SPEAKER 02 :
Look, as an evangelical Christian, as somebody who believes in revelations, I think that Jennifer is totally offensive in her comments. I think we should invite Jennifer on here to have a nice debate about it. We can talk about what our beliefs are for the end times, but that has nothing to do with the protection of Israel. The protection of Israel, by the way, is in the Old Testament. to talk about Jerusalem and protecting the homeland. And it is just so offensive and so ignorant for her to pretend like we're pushing revelations along, like we have anything to do with it. Like we can control that somehow to convince people. Let me tell you one thing. Let's just be clear. If we could push the end times, my mother would have already done it.
SPEAKER 08 :
greatest comment you've ever made but i think that's true people don't like that we're not sitting here being like oh how can we get this to work how can we how can we trick god that's really how how christianity works well but even uh rick just the the fact that they have someone on that is is willing to say these things as if also
SPEAKER 04 :
supporting the middle east's only democracy the only place where people that are jewish muslim christian atheists can practice how they want to their faith or lack of faith uh the fact that they are a strategic ally with the united states all the technology that's come out of israel the fact that they are willing to boil it down to that someone who is the speaker of the house of the united states uh not a fringe member of congress the speaker of the house and a senator that has served for a long time and that this is pervasive through republicans in congress that they have no idea about foreign policy and don't even care about foreign policy they only care about uh magical thinking i i i am shocked that they didn't have a correction issued already, just it's so absurd that that would be on CNN.
SPEAKER 02 :
You know, it's such a great point. Well, because someone, an editor or a producer or an assistant producer, someone has been trained in the Bible. There is someone should be able to speak up and say, wait a minute, what Jennifer Welch just said is literally crazy talk. And we should probably have somebody correct that. Look, I'm not for silencing Jennifer. I don't know who she is. She can say as crazy talk as she wants. But I think CNN has a responsibility to speak up and say, no, actually, that's not true. Evangelicals are not trying to trick God into bringing about revelations a little bit faster. They're trying to protect Israel, which is a biblical absolute for all Christians.
SPEAKER 08 :
Yeah, and they had someone speak up and say sort of a mild version of, hey, I'm a Christian. I believe in Israel. I support Israel. Yes, it's biblical. And they did kind of like caveat it, but it was such an extreme. Again, I've never heard even the term rapture prepper until last night. I don't think that's something people say. So I did go by the domain. You can go to raptureprepper.com because I'm proud to take that on.
SPEAKER 04 :
It's fine with me. But Will- Well, I mean, you even think about that. First, they called Republicans deplorables. That worked really well for them. Then we were clowns, as Kathy Hochul said. Now, I mean, the DNC, I know they're strapped for cash, and Logan already bought the domain, so they can't go there. Can't protect it, yeah. Is this the Democrat Party? Are they going to get behind this and try to rally and be like, oh, wait, now we can figure out how we can mainline our anti-Semitism and our pushback and just insult Christians openly and just say, if you are a Republican, you are a rapture prepper fundamentalist and we can't have anything to do with that.
SPEAKER 02 :
Can I just state the obvious here? I'd like to get in on the T-shirts that we're going to sell that say Rapture Prepper.
SPEAKER 08 :
I can cut you in on that. You know what? They may already be up. Because I was furious last night. Someone asked last night, they go, I saw the comments going, Amanda must have been. having a heck of a night and i was like you know what she was at home last night for a few hours and that's when i was in there fuming going when she gets home she's gonna see this comments settle you down and say maybe don't add another domain in my house so it's just like solving and solving and solving all night long so you know there's that plus cnn yelling about this i couldn't take it anymore now i we only have a few one more point logan can i just say yes please as a young evangelical if you're worried about someone not being home and they're talking about the rapture don't you immediately think wait a minute oh
SPEAKER 02 :
Did it happen?
SPEAKER 08 :
Where am I? Yeah, exactly. She did it right. I was wrong. I didn't want to get moved a little bit more serious discussion here, Rick, because this is I mean, we're talking about wartime. I know this is silly. We're having fun here because it is. a fundamental misunderstanding of how we have a relationship with Israel. But you also do have President Trump taking the right steps, even today, saying, hey, we've approved a plan. That doesn't mean we've greenlit a plan. But we are there, if necessary, that we will get involved where we feel America should be. And of course, reading the room and reading even his voters.
SPEAKER 02 :
Yeah, look, I think what we have to do is ignore comments like this. We have to live our faith. We have to be involved in politics. We have to be involved in world affairs. We know that we can believe one way and work in politics and another that it's not an absolute. We have the First Amendment right in our country. to believe in any religion that you want and so the idea somehow that just because we're fighting for the the only democracy in the middle east right israel and we're trying to make sure that we protect israel but also be thoughtful in making sure that we're looking at this from a political standpoint for the united states what's best for the united states I think it's a conversation we all need to have, but we don't need comments like Jennifer's that are clouding what's actually happening.
SPEAKER 04 :
Well, and Rick, quickly, that also was a question we had from a caller in an earlier segment. There were reports that Israel had at least maybe an opportunity or sites on the Ayatollah early in their operation and that the reports are that the administration said, don't do that yet. Obviously, you can take The New York Times reporting with a grain of salt, so not quite sure what the reality is there. But we also know that there has to be intelligence assessments. You have to know who comes next after the Ayatollah if the people aren't ready to overthrow the regime and the son of the Ayatollah takes over. So even those considerations... are what the administration is doing right now when they're having National Security Council meetings, when they're consulting with the intelligence community. It is all seeing how this plays out, not just in the next few days, but in the long term and for not just the people of America and Israel, but the very people of Iran as well.
SPEAKER 02 :
Look, I think we should be clear is that the United States does not have a policy of regime change. I don't believe that we're considering that. I don't believe that's a discussion. I don't believe Donald Trump is going to do that. Israel is. They are having that discussion and they have every right. They're in that neighborhood. It feels a little bit more. more pressure for them, I'm sure. But for President Trump, he doesn't do regime change. He wants to solve this peacefully. He's offered the Iranians a way out peacefully. But I think we have to assess through intelligence assessments. Remember, that's the key. It's all an assessment. It's not absolute. And so we have to look at this and figure out what's best for the United States.
SPEAKER 08 :
Rick Grinnell, thank you so much for joining us as always. Always love your feedback and give our love to Mama Grinnell, you know, and let her know that we're with her on that. And look, we got a lot of phone lines full right now. We do have two that are open at 1-800-684-3110. Look, you're not going to get this kind of show anywhere else. Okay. Let's just be honest here, folks. You're watching this. You're like... Man, these guys, as one person said, are very cool. They're speaking my language. You know what? That's what's important also, that people who actually understand what they're talking about. Phone lines are open for you at 1-800-684-3110. But I wanted to give you a minute. You've seen where my brother is currently at the ECLJ working really hard at our European Center for Law and Justice because that's a lot closer. Look, it's a lot closer to the Middle East and what's going on there. So you've got to be always there, always prepped, always ready. That is at, again, the ACLJ, ACLJ Jerusalem, and our ACLJ offices throughout the United States. When we get back, we're going to hear from you. But if you could, in the next minute, become an ACLJ champion, someone that gives on a recurring basis, someone that says, hey, I'll give $5, I'll give $50 a month. Whatever it is, you're a champion. All right, welcome back to Secula. We do have one line open for you at 1-800-684-3110. You can call in, of course, as I've said. I encourage you to support the work of the ACLJ at aclj.org. And if you consider yourself a Rapture Prepper, maybe lean over to raptureprepper.com to see some funny stuff that I put up there last night personally just to get my own. I did it for me, but maybe you'll want some as well. Let's go take these calls. We'll take some of these in order. A lot of you on hold for a while. Let's go to Matthew watching on YouTube in California. Matthew, you're on the air.
SPEAKER 01 :
Hi, guys. I've got just a couple of quick questions for you guys. Number one, why is President Trump waiting so long to blow up those nuclear facilities and kill Khomeini? And also, will you guys be talking to President Trump and asking him if he would be so kind as to do that as quick as possible?
SPEAKER 08 :
Now, Matthew, I don't want to create some sort of false narrative where I am in constant communication with President Trump. So you know what? Maybe he's listening. I mean, no members of their team do listen to the show every day. So when you guys call in, it's one of the reasons I say you're one of the most important voices in the room because there are people we know... The HHS went to ACLJ.org, found out some information and went to town on it. It's crazy. Matthew, so you never know who's going to be hearing your voice right now. Hearing my voice, of course, but hearing your voice as well. When you say, I want this done. I want this war over. I want the United States to get involved, use those bunker busters and finish the job. Doesn't mean it's going to happen. I think President Trump is not necessarily hesitant, but is making sure the plan is appropriate for America.
SPEAKER 04 :
That's right. And there are a lot of factors that the president would have to weigh when looking at that. One, the safety of troops in the region. We know that these mid-range ballistic missiles, these hypersonic missiles that Iran fired at Israel were able to hit in the heart of Tel Aviv. The early ones were able to get... past some of the defenses because of the early barrage. Now, Israel is doing the smart thing and taking out the launchers so that the capability of Iran to launch is greatly decreasing. But the president has to weigh the safety of our troops, of Americans abroad, the safety of the pilots that would carry out this attack. So knowing when the right time, I think that the commander in chief has really good advisors, has a great cabinet, great National Security Council. I understand the anxiousness that some of us have to see the final end of the Iranian nuclear program. But Matthew, I think at this point, trusting the advisors and the president that they will be doing this at the right time if they choose to do it will be the right call.
SPEAKER 08 :
All right, thank you, Matthew. Let's go to Warren, who's an ACLJ champion. And when you're an ACLJ champion, one of the little perks, you get popped up to the front of the line. So, Warren, you are on the air.
SPEAKER 05 :
Thanks for being the champion. Thanks, guys. As a Rapture prepper, I do want a T-shirt, medium husky. And also, you know, my belief is I believe they're ramping up their centrifuge for enrichment because they want to bomb before we take it out. And I believe time is of the essence to stop that for our generations, like your dad said, for my grandkids, because they will use it.
SPEAKER 04 :
Warren, one segment we did about two days ago on the broadcast where we went through that enrichment program. I encourage people to go back and watch that about why we know that the actions of the Iranians are moving towards weapons grade uranium. There's no other use for what they are. They have one nuclear power plant in Iran, and they use zero of their own enriched uranium to fuel that power plant. They get it from Russia. So their peaceful purposes and civilian use is just a lie. But I also think, Warren, what Israel has done of taking out the top scientists, taking out the top military leaders, and hitting these sites even if fordow has not been taken out completely you're dismantling they are dismantling their ability for them to get that 60 to 90 for weapons grade and then to affix that to a nuclear warhead and i think that they have put a big pause button on them being able to do that even if it's not completely wiped out yet i think that was part of the strategy
SPEAKER 08 :
with this is hit that first so they can't quickly turn the 60 into 90 percent enriched uranium all right thank you for calling let's continue on mary who's calling on youtube you're on the air mary maryland mary you there let's put mary on hold because i just want to check on her because i'm she's been on hold for a long time i want to get to her if i can uh then can we go to melissa who's calling watching on aclj.org melissa hello go ahead
SPEAKER 10 :
For some reason, I can't hear you.
SPEAKER 08 :
I can hear you. Go ahead.
SPEAKER 10 :
OK, great. So my question, I'll just ask it and you can let me go. It's please donate between the Pentagon's proposal to eliminate Iran's nuclear program and a declaration of war on Iran. And what does the U.S. Constitution say about these matters? And if you had a bumper sticker, all it would have to say is raptorpepper.com and I would buy it.
SPEAKER 08 :
All right, we'll work on that. You know, Melissa, if you go to the website, maybe you'll see some fun stuff. Melissa, thank you. I believe the question, it broke up a little bit there. She was saying, what's the difference in the strategy versus the plan, I guess, in some ways?
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah, so the president... can take military action without a formal declaration of war, which would need to go through Congress. And we've seen that throughout the past decades on a recurring basis. There was never a formal act of declaration of war against ISIS in both the Obama administration and the Trump administration fought against that. That kind of went under the generalized global war on terror. There's the authorization of use of military force, the AUMF, that has been used for decades since 9-11. So there are members of Congress that want to sunset a lot of these things and do that, but the president has the authority, no matter what, if He believes that it is the interest of the United States to protect our military assets, our personnel and our citizens can do limited military engagements without even going and asking permission for a declaration of war. That's just kind of the times we live in. And it wouldn't necessarily be a formal declaration of war because I don't believe that President Trump's airstrike or whatever that plan is would be an ongoing operation. It would be more limited in scope.
SPEAKER 08 :
All right, thank you so much. Hey, Mike, we're just not gonna be able to get to you today. I apologize. Anyone else calling in? I love all the calls that have been coming in today. Please call back tomorrow. Let's keep this conversation going. I love to hear from you and I love to hear from your voices. So again, we appreciate all of you have called in. I did wanna take though this last minute, encourage you to become an ACLJ supporter, whether that is a one-time donation you can make. If you like this show, if you like the legal work we do, if you like our support of Israel having offices around the world, the European Center for Law and Justice, or at the ACLJ Jerusalem, or you like what we do here domestically, whether that is for a church that needs to meet or a street preacher, or it's for fighting these big global threats, including what's going on in the DRC or any of our international work, it's all important. And it's all in the name of Christian values and support. And that's why maybe it got under my skin so much last night to hear the insults being thrown our way from mainstream media for just being someone who is a believer. But that's where we are. And that's why it's really important to have shows even like ours. Because you don't hear this. You don't have a lot of these shows that kind of mix news, faith, politics, the law. Where else are you going to hear this kind of coverage? Where else are you going to hear some of these top names? Only here. So if you take a minute, if you hear sponsorships and ads on this shows, other than like a little bit of money that maybe comes from YouTube, we're not funded by major sponsors. We're not funded by major donors. We have some great major donors. That's fantastic. But our bread and butter, the backbone of the organization is people that give $25 a month, $75 a month, $10 a month, or one time, a couple hundred bucks. So do that today. Become an ACLJ supporter. Become an ACLJ champion if you can. Go to ACLJ.org, scan the QR code you see on the screen. It has been a packed show, and we will keep it rolling. Again, ACLJ.org. We'll be back tomorrow.

In this riveting episode, we explore the complexities of modern geopolitics through a heated debate between two prominent figures: Tucker Carlson and Senator Ted Cruz. Their insightful discussion traverses the intricate political landscape surrounding Iran's nuclear ambitions and America's potential military responses. We delve into historical contexts and contemporary analysis, aiming to illuminate the multifaceted nature of these global threats. Join us as we dissect their arguments and consider the broader implications of U.S. foreign policy strategies.
SPEAKER 03 :
I hope her sister kept her big mouth shut. Nancy Wilson of Heart, so talented, so great, such a great band. And not long ago, Mike said, oh, it's really embarrassing to be an American right now. And I'll never be a shut up and sing or shut up and play person. Because if I say it about Heart, it means I've got to say it about Ted Nugent. Yeah. Say what you want. Do what you want. Do what you want. So welcome, my friend. How are you? Busy times in our industry.
SPEAKER 04 :
Well, they really are. And there's a lot of tension. There's a lot of concern about what's next in this war. You know, our friend and colleague Hugh Hewitt writes over at Fox News that the most important decision of President Trump's life is before him. And, of course, I had a friend who rather cynically said, boy, your buddy Hugh and the neocons are pretty excited about dropping bombs on Iran, aren't they? And, you know, I get that take. It's best exemplified in the two-hour interview that Tucker gave to Ted Cruz. And I'm going to tell you right now, right flat out, let me just tell you right now, Everybody inevitably will take sides. Oh, Tucker was a jerk. Oh, Ted Cruz was unprepared. Oh, Ted was great and he bested Tucker. Put that aside for a minute. It's a master class in two incredibly smart men laying out positions for what is a complicated issue. I know that we got the tease of the minute of, you know, the stupid gotcha question and all that. But the two hours, Mark, it's great. It's fantastic. In fact, let me give you a little mention. Let me share with you one of the I'm paraphrasing here. But at one point, Senator Cruz was clearly frustrated. And he said, Tucker, would you stop with the snark? Would you just knock off the snark? It's kind of my point. Well, you want to know what Tucker said? He said, you're absolutely right. It's a quirk of mine. I do it too much. I'm working on doing it less. And I got to do better at it. And I'm like, that's the kind of raw, you know, passion that they both brought to the table. And, you know, and look, Senator Cruz was brilliant. I mean, you know, you're never going to best Ted Cruz in a debate. But you got but you're also it's really hard to push back against Tucker's interviewing technique because he's very good at it, too. And there is there is resistance within our community. Our tribe, there are people who are worried about us taking the ball off illegal immigration. Fair or not? Okay, I get that. I think we can do two things at once. I do too.
SPEAKER 03 :
Wait, wait, pause on that. And I get this all. We will get calls. You will get calls. I will get calls. Something big will happen in the news. Something. Not as big as a raging war, but some big thing will happen. Invariably, I'll get 16 calls and 43 texts. Yeah, Mark. I think the reason this is happening is so that we won't pay attention to this over here. 15 things can, especially these days, haven't we learned that 25 things can happen at once? There's nothing about the Iran-Israel conflict that means we've stopped paying attention to the border.
SPEAKER 04 :
I agree with Hugh and with Senator Cruz and with many others who believe that if President Trump orders our military to destroy the most hardened targets in Iran's nuclear weapons and ballistic missile programs, he's going to end a war that began since, you know, the first Ayatollah Khomeini. You know, we're going back to 1979. Okay, pause on that.
SPEAKER 03 :
I hope, because I, too, and I don't think we're not in a different place on the spectrum, I don't think. We begin with, and it's not through any type of hero worship or cult-like thing, my base setting, my default setting is trust of Trump. He has more information than either you or I have, and his instincts, I think, are sound and good, and his heart and his mind are solid. That said... If it's an American crew and an American bomber that drops that bunker buster on Fordow and takes out that nuclear site, there's all kinds of good things about that, all kinds of reasons to do that, 100%. Two things that I don't know happen, that I don't know. Number one, the regime just falls, or the Iranian regime all of a sudden goes, oh, we're so sorry, we'll be better now. don't know that that happens. And the other thing that I also don't know that may be a terrible thing that might happen is what's left of the Iranian war machine starts lobbing missiles at every American installation they can find. So be careful what you wish for. That's not me saying don't do it. It's me saying it might not be as tidy as some people think.
SPEAKER 04 :
well it's it's fair and it also confirms the complicated nature of all of this you know you talk about a regime change and toppling the current the mullahs who's to say that the ones who replace them aren't going to be worse you know you just don't happen in afghanistan happen in libya that's right and best case scenario is that the people of iran who want a democracy will rise up, you know, and they'll be, supposedly there's some Iranian, you know, leader living in Virginia right now that's willing to go back. I think it's the Shah's grandson. Oh, Reza Pahlavi, yep. You know, so, I mean, but look, what we can't afford and what I believe in, and I'm with you, my default is trust Trump. He's been saying for years, probably 20 years, he said, I've been saying this for 20 years, we cannot allow Iran to get their hands on a nuke. Look what they're doing now. They just bombed a hospital in Israel. Now, look what Israel's doing. They're bombing military targets. Israel's going after nuclear sites and terrorist military sites. They're not going out. They're not trying to kill civilians. This is what Iran is committed to, wiping Israel out and wiping us out. You know, so in a way, this is our war and we can pretend it's not. But I also don't want to pretend that the counterpoint of you, the other view is not existent. I don't. And there is a real knee jerk inclination for people to say, oh, there's no division. Yes, there is. Yes, there is. Don't say that. Tucker Carlson, whatever you think of him, Tucker Carlson has millions and millions of supporters.
SPEAKER 03 :
No doubt. And there are shades along this spectrum of people who are going, okay, you might think that's a great idea. I don't know how great it is. But the notion of MAGA world split in two irreparably is wildly overstated and just wishful thinking on some parts. Did you hear the gentleman I talked to leading up to our segment? Sorry, I missed it. There was something Tucker-esque about it in the following way. And a wonderful gentleman. He can call me back any time. Some pretty sound, solid points to make. But the people on the other side, just as Tucker thinks you're stupid if you disagree.
SPEAKER 02 :
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SPEAKER 03 :
or you don't care about the details of regime change. By the way, you're so 100% right. Listen to the two hours. Tucker is so smart and so great. Good Tucker comes out way more than jerk Tucker. It's really, really important. But the very title of his post was, Ted Cruz wants regime change in Iran and doesn't care about the details. That kind of condescension and snark, like you said, is just not helpful. The gentleman I spoke to, very thoughtful, said that to be all in for, whatever that even means, to be really boldly in support of Israel, or for Christians to consider Israel to be religiously significant, that that constitutes Israel worship. I was like, dude, don't do that. That is so condescending, you know?
SPEAKER 04 :
This was a huge chunk of the Tucker Cruz showdown. Ted Cruz said something that I've said for many years, and I think you have too. Right from the Bible, those who bless Israel, I will bless. Those who curse Israel, I will curse. Well, Senator Cruz invoked that, and Tucker just bagged all over that.
SPEAKER 03 :
And Tucker's a person of faith. Tucker's not some agnostic.
SPEAKER 04 :
And then that got legs on social media where people were making fun of Senator Cruz. An actual senator is quoting the Bible to defend foreign policy? But see, isn't that interesting, though? You and I are like, well, duh. It's true. And we do have a spiritual alliance with Israel. And Tucker doesn't seem to see that at all. I mean, honest to goodness, that was probably five minutes, riveting minutes about whether or not it's appropriate for a U.S. senator to invoke a biblical admonition about our support of Israel. And Tucker just could not believe it. He said, well, what do you mean? Modern day Israel? Benjamin Netanyahu? You think the Bible's talking about today's military in Israel? We're talking about the state of Israel.
SPEAKER 03 :
So what do we mean? Let's take 60 seconds on what we mean by that in 2025. I'm never going to use something biblical to say that that is the one sole beacon for some foreign policy constitutional strategic thing I want to do now. But it helps to inform the importance of that country to me, to America, to our. And I know that we're a country of many, many different religious faiths. So it's not like that's the one thing, the guiding beacon, nor does it mean that anything Israel does is magically right and proper and good. Not at all. It just means that against this backdrop, that in a Judeo-Christian rooted country, there is significance here that goes beyond the global strategies of the moment.
SPEAKER 04 :
We have many, many reasons to defend and stand with Israel. And that's one of them. I think it's one of the most important ones, frankly. But I don't want to ignore God. Tucker wants to dismiss God.
SPEAKER 03 :
You knock yourself out. Can you do something? You literally have two minutes. It might take all two minutes for you to do it. And you've got to do it because I said I was going to make you do it. Explain the Karen Reid trial to me. Who's this woman? Why do I care? Why does it lead national newscasts?
SPEAKER 04 :
It's a fascinating story. I can give you 30 seconds because I also want to tell you about something really important about what's going on in New York right now with the protests. Karen Reid, this is a woman who was charged with murdering her Boston police boyfriend one wintry night a few years ago. It was a blizzard. They're all out drunk. She's drunk. He's drunk. They're all drunk. There's a bunch of cops involved. The accusation is that his fellow officers had some nefarious role to play. He was found dead in the snow. There's a fascinating documentary about it on HBO. I think it's called Man in the Snow. She was found not guilty yesterday. And what was crazy was in the courtroom where they had cameras when they read the not guilty verdict, you could hear the roar of the crowd outside.
SPEAKER 03 :
She had a huge... gathering of supporters she has why the supporters what was the which is it right that she was acquitted and why was the trial why was the prosecution of her flawed and again why was the it's a local crime story a salty and you know bizarre i know it's one of those it's one of those fascinating stories it's a jean benet kind of a whodunit kind of a mystery and you don't queen
SPEAKER 04 :
kid and it's weird well this is cops this is corruption allegedly of the cops these are cops that were covering up for one of their own they were railroading her allegedly uh you know they were planning evidence a whole thing it's it's pretty fascinating i knew true crime mike would have the answer oh i know but but true crime mike is not decided on her guilt or innocence so i gotta give it so i really it's one of those and i hate those kind of things i normally like to say yeah you did it No, you didn't do it. I don't know.
SPEAKER 03 :
We like to tie a bow around things in a tidy way. All right, protests in New York. Go, the people with the Iranian flag wrapped around them in Times Square. A massive crowd with the Iranian flag. What are they thinking?
SPEAKER 04 :
Mark, here we go. Well, there we go again. I mean, it's official. No matter how evil or how diabolical Hamas is. Iran, the left is going to celebrate it. The American left. I mean, what's next? Hitler and Satan? I mean, there's no low for them. There is no low they won't go, Mark. The Iranian flag. What do you suppose that's about?
SPEAKER 03 :
Does it look like just New York randos? I mean, it's not like Rashida Tlaib was out there, you know, emceeing the thing, was it?
SPEAKER 04 :
Well, what I know is AOC is celebrating this Democrat socialist who might become the next mayor. And Mark, just mark it down. That happens. I ain't ever going back to New York.
SPEAKER 03 :
Because this is the guy who says, I'm going to freeze your rent. I will set up, what did you say? I'm going to set up city funded...
SPEAKER 04 :
And already John Katsimatidis, who owns Gristiti's, said, if that happens, we're out.
SPEAKER 03 :
We'll shut down all the Gristitis. Grocery stores. Exactly right.
SPEAKER 04 :
Grocery stores.
SPEAKER 03 :
To regulate the prices.
SPEAKER 04 :
$30 minimum wage. $30 an hour. Social workers instead of police.
SPEAKER 03 :
Correct. Defund the police.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah, that'll work. Show up with your comfort doll rather than a gun when somebody's stabbing you to death. I mean, oh yeah, this guy's not. But by the way, you want to know the option?
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah.
SPEAKER 04 :
Cuomo. Andrew Cuomo. I know. He's back. I mean, unbelievable. All right, well, I'll be in New York today and tomorrow. Okay, wow. I'll be there tomorrow and Monday, so pray for me. And we've got a lot of challenges ahead of us, but we'll get through it all.
SPEAKER 03 :
Glad to be walking through them with you. Always so glad to do it every day. That's our buddy Mike Gallagher. He is on as soon as we're done, 10 o'clock right here on 660 AM. The answer. For full shows live and on demand, it's Salem News Channel.
