As we navigate through Holy Week, Sekulow brings you a packed episode touching on various pressing issues. From the newly surfaced allegations against Letitia James and their potential political motivations to an informative discussion with Coach Bruce Pearl on the enduring support for Israeli causes, this episode blends legal analysis with community insights. Tune in for a thought-provoking conversation on justice, accountability, and the power of international advocacy.
SPEAKER 05 :
We got breaking news. New York Attorney General Letitia James referred to the DOJ over alleged fraud.
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Keeping you informed and engaged now more than ever. This is Sekulow. We want to hear from you. Share and post your comments or call 1-800-684-3110. And now your host, Logan Sekulow.
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Welcome to Sekulow. Of course, it is Holy Week for most of you who probably listen to this show. We've got a packed one for you. So as we start to wind down and celebrate the Easter holiday, we do want to still provide you with some of the breaking news items that are happening. And, well, this is a pretty big one. And later on in the show, we are going to be joined by some special guests, including Auburn basketball coach, You know him. You love him. He has been a big supporter of Israel and a friend of this show. Bruce Pearl is going to be joining us a bit later on the show. So stay tuned. He got his team to the Final Four this year. Amazing run by the Auburn Tigers. So we're going to take... Your questions and comments as well at 1-800-684-3110. And if you are just tuning in right now, we're going to tell you about the breaking news item that happened. And that is about New York Attorney General Letitia James. But, Will, it may be a little different than what our audience expects when they've heard that name before.
SPEAKER 02 :
Well, especially when you hear about maybe falsifying documents to get favorable loan terms or something like that, and then you hear about Letitia James, you may think about when she took a civil case against the President of the United States, Donald Trump, alleging that these issues happened. But what we received last night, what was kind of released, was this criminal referral letter From the Federal Housing Finance Agency, and it was sent to the Department of Justice, addressed to Attorney General Pam Bondi and Deputy Attorney General Todd Blanch. And what it lays out is multiple instances of what they allege could be mortgage fraud. And they even say that these allegations... The Federal Housing FHFA believes this and other alleged misconduct could be violations of the criminal code under wire fraud statute, mail fraud statute, bank fraud statute, and false statements to a financial institution and or other relevant or state laws.
SPEAKER 05 :
And look, we look at this and we go, okay, is this political targeting? Is this something we need to look at and go, this is not fair. This is something that's happening because this is retribution. But no, when you actually dig into this, these are real claims that are happening that have been spurring on for years. They've just now gotten to this point where they are going to be sent, obviously, to Attorney General Bondi and to figure out what the process is. But it comes with some potentially very hefty fines and very hefty sentences, potentially.
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That's right. And we'll get into some of the specifics of what the Federal Housing Finance Agency lays out. But when you're applying for a mortgage, especially the types of mortgages that Letitia James was applying for, many times, especially when it's Fannie Mae or Freddie Mac forms that are involved, these are mortgages that are backed by The U.S. government, the federal taxpayer at the end of the day. And if you're defrauding the government in that way by making misrepresentations or lying on forms to get more favorable terms, you're defrauding the U.S. government and ultimately the taxpayer at the end of the day. So these are very serious allegations that are being brought forward by Republicans. the the administrators at the federal housing finance agency and we'll get into some of the details of what these allegations are in the next segment but uh this is a criminal referral sent over the doj it's now in their court uh so to speak and and we'll see what comes from it from their phone lines are open for you if you have any questions or comments related to this or any of the topics we're going to hit today 1-800-684-3110 great time to get your voice
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heard in the next segment we're going to keep this discussion going break it down a little bit more and like i said bruce pearl is going to be joining us a little bit later talk about his very public support of israel and of course a new position that he has it's very cool we're going to discuss that as well as mike pompeo who will be joining us towards the end of the broadcast but it's a great time to get in line right now though folks i can't stress enough how important it is to support the aclj during our life and liberty drive the things you love the things that are you need to feel like are protected they're vulnerable right now And the law is how we protect what we love. So if you want to support our legal team, this is a great way to do it. Scan the QR code right now on your screen or go to ACLJ.org and your donation will be doubled today. The power of the ACLJ is fighting for you and what you love. We'll be right back. Welcome back to Secular. I do want to restate our topic of the day because I know a bunch of you are just joining us right now. So right now, Will, I think we should need to go through this. They may see the headline, Letitia James, alleged fraud sent to the Department of Justice. What does that mean? What does it mean where there is fraud coming from New York Attorney General Letitia James? And again, when you start breaking this down, this has to do with mortgages and properties that she has. Where's the primary residence? When you've ever gotten a mortgage, you've got to go through what feels like an endless amount of paperwork, an endless amount of questioning. And look, it can be a pain, but you gotta be careful because things like this could happen. And it feels like whether it was her or maybe her team, you'd say her mortgage brokers, wherever it may be, seem to be pushing some untrue narratives.
SPEAKER 02 :
That's right. So this is a criminal referral that was sent to the Department of Justice from the Federal Housing Finance Agency. And that's a regulatory agency that oversees things like Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac, the Federal Housing Administration, which provides largely the mortgage insurance premiums that people pay to. And so what we're looking at here is that this regulatory agency is sending over what they believe as instances of criminal activity, of violating U.S. law when it comes to obtaining several mortgages for Letitia James. And they are referring it to them saying it could be a violation of these statutes. It goes through a wire fraud statute, a mail fraud statute, a bank fraud statute, and false statements to a financial institution. And these aren't small... Statutes that would be in violation, that 18 U.S. Code 1014, which is the false statement to a financial institution, has a maximum sentence of a fine of not more than a million dollars or imprisoned not more than 30 years or both. Now, that is the maximum, obviously, statutory, but that's what could happen for people that violate these laws and are found guilty through our judicial system. So the agency that oversees it sends this criminal referral to the DOJ because the regulatory agency doesn't prosecute it. That is what the Department of Justice does. And here are some of the allegations, Logan.
SPEAKER 05 :
Yeah, let's go through them. Let's list these off. And again... Maybe just make them a little more simplistic for people to understand.
SPEAKER 02 :
No, I'm going to read in detail and give a lot more information. A lot of people love hot mortgage news. That's right. One highlight or low light, depending on how you want to look at it, comes from August of 2023 while she is the Attorney General of New York. She purchases a property in Virginia, Norfolk, Virginia.
SPEAKER 05 :
Will and I have spent a lot of time on the streets. We have.
SPEAKER 02 :
That's right. She just wanted to be close to the greening of Ghent, the St. Patrick's Day Festival. But what happened here is... One of the gutter punks of Norfolk, Will and I, back in our day. Is that she purchased this property and they listed it as a primary residence and then also reaffirmed that statement in Fannie Mae Freddie Mac form 3047 and in mortgage documents. now the problem with this is that everybody knows that form number if you get if you get a primary residence if you list something as your primary residence you're going to get more favorable loan terms yes smaller down payment than is required for a second secondary investment property and that's because the bank sees you as more risky on a secondary property if you hit financial straits and you have to choose between your primary residence yeah or the secondary, you're gonna let one lapse before the other. And there's a lot of issues with this. One, she's the sitting Attorney General of New York while purchasing this property. By law in New York, she has to be a resident of New York. But at the same time, she's saying this would be a primary residence. So that is one allegation in this criminal referral of a fraudulent misstatement to gain something which would be more favorable terms in a mortgage. The second issue is another mortgage on a property in Brooklyn. It's a building. It's a multi-family unit. As most of New York is. Right, exactly. So that's not unusual. The certificate of occupancy for the building is for a five-family unit, so it can hold five families. In mortgage documents and other filings, she would claim it as a four-family unit. Now, this is like, okay, is this just a mistake or whatever? What the allegation is, is that... a building that exceeds four units is treated differently and typically has a larger down payment and higher interest rates. So in that little discrepancy of a four unit versus a five unit, she was getting more favorable loan terms. She was also using different permitting routes within the state of New York. That would be different than what this agency would oversee, but she was gaming the system it appears in these allegations to seek more favorable things and this is an individual who prosecuted president trump in a civil trial got a half a billion dollar judgment against him in a completely different set of facts where the banks were wanting to do business with him here these are government-backed loans and
SPEAKER 05 :
big allegations here and she is this very same individual who was tweeting things like no one is above the law yeah let's go to a call because i think there's a call of course people are seeing the irony in all of this right now let's go to jerry in rhode island line one you're on the air hello team are some of the statutes being cited were they the same statutes being cited against trump Not specifically. Of course, as I said, the irony is there that this is happening, but they wouldn't be the same because of the way it's structured.
SPEAKER 02 :
State versus federal. That's right. So it's kind of the same concept, but she's a state attorney general, so she's not prosecuting a federal crime. These are under 18 U.S. Code, different sections under Chapter 18. So, no, they are not the same law. And also, that was a civil law. trial that she had against him and was able to get that huge judgment. She also was able to say there doesn't have to be a victim in this civil case against President Trump. These would have criminal penalties under federal law. This would even be a different structure of a case, not just state and federal, but that was a civil suit against him there. And this would allegedly, if the DOJ decides to accept the criminal referral and open the investigation this would be a criminal investigation uh against uh potentially against uh leticia since we have a packed show i want to continue taking calls in this segment if you want to call in 1-800-684-3110 ronald's calling in south carolina on line two watching on rumble you're on the air thanks for taking my call i'm enjoying the show um one thing that comes to my mind is that uh uh
SPEAKER 06 :
Of all that is going on with Attorney General James and with all these others, they are literally that were attacking Trump and bringing charges against him while he was out of office, while he was in office, while he was campaigning and everything like that. She and the liberals were already guilty of doing those very same things.
SPEAKER 02 :
Ronald, it's what Rick Grinnell has said on this broadcast many times, is that when the left is accusing you of something, many times they're doing that exact thing that they're accusing you of doing. And I do think that for many people, it's like, ah, going after Letitia James, getting back at her. And some people may like that. I want to have a system where there isn't political retribution. Absolutely. And it may look like that because she went after him on this and now she's guilty of or alleged having similar situations.
SPEAKER 05 :
I do think we have to be careful that we don't play that. Right. That it's probably very tempting. It's probably very tempting for the Trump administration, very tempting for Attorney General Bondi or whoever may be to... you know, not only just smirk at this and say, this is ridiculous, but to take out your feelings, your emotional feelings, because you feel like you, this was done to you. I think it's important. I know that a lot of people will disagree with me and they'll say, Logan, no, they did it to us. We'll do it to them. Well, then it's an endless cycle and it's impeachment. It's all of those things that we talked about become an endless cycle and it doesn't matter anymore. All of those issues just start compiling. And I really hate that. And I don't want to see that happen in this country where we are taking that. But it doesn't seem like this is what that is.
SPEAKER 02 :
It's honestly too specific. Well, and I also think there's a flip side to that. While we don't want just endless political lawfare. If there are very valid allegations that are investigated and it's taken to trial and that person is convicted on those charges and the rules of the law are followed, if they were to find this and not do something about it because they were concerned about political optics, I think that also could be just as bad. I don't think that you should only prosecute because of political reasons. That's not good for the country. But if you discover something and you're afraid the optics may be that it looks like we're just getting revenge and you decide to do nothing, that also doesn't uphold the rule of law.
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I encourage you to support the work of the ACLJ as we head into break. I want to give Will a moment, though, to say who's coming up and why people should stick around for it.
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That's right. Head coach of the Auburn Tigers basketball team, my alma mater, is joining us in the next segment. Bruce Pearl led the Tigers to the Final Four this year, had an incredible season. AP Coach of the Year, and he'll be joining us to talk about some of the bold stances he took during that tournament, advocating on behalf of the hostages that are still being held by Hamas.
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Yeah, absolutely. And he has a new position we're going to talk about as well. Very cool. Give us a call if you want to be on the air, 1-800-684-3110. And then we'll be joined a little bit later by some more special guests. So you don't want to miss that. Phone lines are lighting up. If you want to support the work of the ACLJ, great time to do it. Scan the QR code that's on screen right now. Have your gift doubled today. We can't stress enough how important it is when everything we love is currently vulnerable. We need your help. We'll be right back. back to secular we are going to take some of your phone calls coming up we're still working on getting our connection set with bruce pearl so stay tuned for that that's going to happen a little bit later in the broadcast and anticipate it but that's okay a lot of you are calling in give us just a second to get some of those screened and of course i did want to tell you yesterday we had on john and drossick from five for fighting you may have heard that if you didn't go back and listen to it very similar a guy who has stood up uh when it's not popular when it maybe could be detrimental to his career and and has released a new version of his hit song, Superman. You can find that on all of your favorite YouTube, or just go to his social media accounts, and you can find it there. So I encourage you to check out Five for Fighting and John Androsik. We're going to take some calls really quick. We're going to discuss a little bit more about this Letitia James situation. Let's go to Nina, who's calling in New York, listening on the radio. Nina, you're on the air.
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Hey, how are you? I'm just driving around here, and my thought was simply that It's not so much lawfare tit-for-tat type of thing, but if these people are going to do this foolishness and tie up everyone else in this litigation, somebody needs to be the example. So you have to, someone else is going to have to feel the pain, pay the money, get tied up in this litigation and make an example of them. So the next person who goes to do it might say, well, I better be pretty squeaky clean if I'm going to bring these foolish charges up against someone, waste everybody's time and money. that I better make sure I'm squeaky clean. I can guarantee you these people are not. Maybe somebody has to be the example. If it's got to be Letitia, oh well, got to be Letitia.
SPEAKER 05 :
Look, I'm not saying this shouldn't be held accountable. She should be. If there is real mortgage fraud and those kind of issues, if that's happening right now, of course there should be accountability. What I want to make sure of is that this does not appear and does not feel like it's just politically motivated because we don't want politically motivated prosecution. However, that doesn't seem to be the case here. But it's going to be easy for the left, if you will, to point that out and act like it is.
SPEAKER 02 :
That's right. And that's what we were conveying at the end of the last segment, where the allegations here are serious allegations and that it was repeated uses of information that wasn't factual in documents, as well as they even point out that back in 1983 and then again in 2000 on mortgage forms, Letitia James listed her father as her husband, and that would be allegedly to receive more favorable terms in the way that it was processed. That wouldn't be something that would be, according to them, because of how long ago it is, something that they are referring for criminal prosecution because of statute of limitations and things like that. But it does raise the issue here that, that potentially this is a pattern. And that's what they are giving over to the Department of Justice. And to your point also, Nina, yes, we want our officials, we want attorneys general in this country to be squeaky clean. We don't want them to be corrupt or doing bad things behind the scenes while also trying to be a symbol as well as the actionable person for justice in the United States. So yes, I agree in part that she better be squeaky clean and that if these people are not and that these are apparent crimes that they be prosecuted appropriately, but not just for the fact of making an example out of one person if they have done nothing wrong. And that's where they need to present a case. They will have a lot of critics looking at them just trying to say, this is only political retribution.
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SPEAKER 09 :
Hi, Logan. Well, I agree with the previous caller that Letitia James, whoever they are, if I did these things, If I was spending billions and billions of your taxpayer dollars and I got caught in anything even less than what they've been doing, I would go to prison. I think it's time for, just like the other caller said, for all these people, it's not only fraud and waste, it's theft of our tax dollars. You guys have a blessed Easter. We love you. Thank you.
SPEAKER 05 :
Thank you so much for your call, and thank you again for supporting the work of the ACLJ and being an ACLJ champion. And we have said that, we have made that statement very loudly, and she did as well, Will, saying no one is above the law.
SPEAKER 02 :
Yeah, my favorite tweet was her from Valentine's Day in last year, 2024. It said, roses are red, violets are blue, no one is above the law, even when you think the rules don't apply to you. When you put statements out like that, and have these potential allegations. Now, obviously, she has already put out a statement saying that she will not stand for any lawfare or abuse of government power against her. But if they have the goods here at the... federal or the federal housing finance agency not one that you typically say uh if they have the documents i mean they they're the ones that that would be able to provide information to the department of justice uh if this is what they say it is then those statements about no one is above the law even when you think the rules don't apply to you those words could come back to haunt her because that is the way america should work The rules do apply to everyone. And that is the rule of law. And for so long, we saw a weaponized justice system against a people of a certain political party or ideology. And that has to stop.
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Oh, thank you. Well, I have a couple of things to say about all this elected officials. First of all, the majority of them are legal. They are attorneys, so they know the law. They also are sworn under oath to follow the law. We as lay people are, you know, if we commit a crime, we don't know how the law is structured. Many times we don't understand things. And so therefore they should be more. accountable or if they are you know um conducting uh on business that is not legal they have to you know they have to they understand the law you know and not only that most of the elected officials uh also have the government pays for uh any kind of lawsuit against them So they're very protective. So I think that they really should look into whoever, you know, with Letitia to see what's going on because she's, she's been, you know, right. She knows the law and she's sworn.
SPEAKER 02 :
I would say that, uh, I don't believe that the state of New York would be covering a criminal prosecution against the attorney general. That would be if it was a lawsuit against the attorney general's office or something of that nature. But in reality, Maria speaks a lot of truth to this, is that when people put themselves in these positions of power and then are not playing by the rules, allegedly here, then it will come to light. Truth will come to light. And that is what we're seeing. We saw it with the Fannie Willis saga that took place about the way that she was structuring her office and how that prosecution fell apart. But they were so dead set on political prosecution. that they they couldn't remove the plank from their own eye as the bible says when when they had issues right there that they need to take care of and and look at how it's playing out phone lines are still open for you when we get back uh mike papayo is going to be joining us it's going to be a packed show again you're going to want to miss that we're going to be talking about including the um
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The horrible attacks on Governor Shapiro's residence on Passover. Of course, we've heard about it. We've been talking about it for a few days. But you see the images and you see what really happened there. It's horrifying. That's what's happening in our country right now. And we're also going to talk about some of those meetings that are going on with Iran. Stay tuned for that. Phone lines are open. We'll take as many calls as we can in that final segment of the broadcast at 1-800-684-3110. Once again, 1-800-684-3110. Give us a call right now. Get in line. We'll take your calls at the end of the show. Welcome back to secular. We are going to take your phone calls in the next segment. So give us a call. I'd love to hear your thoughts and comments about that. It's about the Letitia James situation. What's going on in Israel. Of course, what's happening all over the country is we are celebrating Easter Passover this week. It is Holy week for a lot of our listeners. It's an important time for reflection, for prayer, and of course for celebration as well. But this is coming at an unprecedented time when so much is happening around the country in terms of anti-Semitic and anti-Christian behavior. So I encourage you to call in. I'd love to hear your thoughts. I'd love to hear your thoughts on what you're doing, what your plans are to celebrate this week. Again, at 1-800-684-3110. Mike Pompeo is joining us right now, Senior Counsel for Global Affairs. Mike, thank you so much for joining us. When we talk about anti-Semitism happening in America, of course our minds are going... kind of immediately to what happened to Governor Shapiro in Pennsylvania. We're getting a clear picture of the motivation. I think a lot of us kind of knew what that motivation likely was. It happened to be on the first night of Passover. He happened to be promoting that, hey, we're celebrating Passover. But the court documents have even said that the suspect targeted Governor Shapiro over his views specifically on Palestine. What are your reaction to that? I think that it could have probably been clearer beforehand, but now it's in the evidence.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yes, I think that's certainly true. First of all, we pray for Governor Shapiro and his family. This kind of violence is completely unacceptable. We've seen this in synagogues, we've seen this in churches before, and I think it tells us a couple of things. One, what we saw on campuses happen last fall and the year before that has real security implications, but it's also fundamentally indecent and puts ordinary families like that of Governor Shapiro at risk. This anti-Semitism cannot be tolerated. It can't be permitted. We need every institution, whether it's our governmental institutions or schools or even in our own communities, we need to make clear that whatever our political persuasion, whether we're a Democrat or a Republican or a conservative or a liberal, religious freedom matters, the capacity for people to practice their faiths, especially we see it in these important times when our high holidays come. For me as a Christian, this is obviously a huge week to reflect. We need to make sure that we are doing all the things that make sure that our community never acknowledges that this kind of violence, this kind of behavior is remotely acceptable.
SPEAKER 02 :
Well, and to some degree, this is what we have been warning about, is that when it started at the universities, that it would spread if it wasn't shut down. This open hatred of Jews and the intimidation and the violence that we saw on college campuses spread. that the Biden administration mostly did not much about. And we saw this week your alma mater, Harvard, had a big pushback of, you're not going to take away our academic freedom and academic independence by dictating how we should protect Jewish students on campus. But the logical and unfortunate likely scenario was that the violence would escalate in the United States when it wasn't shut down from the beginning.
SPEAKER 03 :
No doubt about that. That is precisely right. It's what we were arguing when we were critical of the Biden administration and of the administrations on these campuses. It's not free speech to threaten students. It's not a First Amendment right to encamp and take over buildings. Those are criminal acts, and they are indecent. And this ostensible claim that somehow you're making a free speech argument on behalf of students The so-called Palestinians in Gaza who have murdered hundreds and hundreds of Israelis don't withstand the reality that what you were actually doing is putting the security of these young people on campus at risk. You were denying their ability to do what they wanted to do, just come to these campuses and learn. And you see the fallout from that. It's not just the fallout that was evidence from this guy who invaded the home of Governor Shapiro. But you can see it now all across the country where people are feeling freer to conduct heinous acts that put people's lives at risk. And you see anti-Semitism continue to rise under the guise of free speech. You have to shut down this violent activity. It is a far cry from exercising your First Amendment rights to what we have seen happen all across this country. And when law enforcement won't do its job and the President of the United States won't call it out for what it is, this is what it begins.
SPEAKER 05 :
Absolutely, Secretary Pompeo. And let's shift focus. Honestly, same problem, different issue, if you will, in many ways. You had this morning members of the Trump cabinet meeting about their negotiations with Iran. That's happening. I want to get your read on where that situation currently stands. Can a deal get done? You've had to deal with people like this before. Again, there's always uncertainty when you're sitting down with Iran. There's always uncertainty just even having these meetings. There's a lot of people who feel passionately that maybe we shouldn't even be sitting down across the table from terrorist regimes, if you will.
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Look, I'm untroubled by the fact of the meeting. I met with terrorists. I met with the Taliban. I met with Chairman Kim in North Korea. The act of trying to engage with them, that doesn't bother me. I get the slippery slope that it presents. But if you know what your principles are and you know the things that really matter for America to put our country first, then the fact of the meeting doesn't bother me. Having said that, I've been worried by some of the comments that I've heard from some of the administration talking about that enrichment in Iran might still be OK, that we're not going to address their ballistic missile program, which is really the tool that they would use to put these nuclear weapons in the homes of innocent civilians. And indeed, perhaps one day in America, we need to make clear our red lines are bright. No enrichment of uranium, no weapons program, the complete dismantlement of of Natanz and Fordow. I don't think it's likely that the Iranians will permit that to happen. They're not going to let us. diminish their capacity to conduct terror at the negotiating table. There's no evidence that they're likely to do that. And I think President Trump knows that. It's why we withdrew from the JCPOA a couple weeks after I became Secretary of State. We knew that the Obamacare model of negotiating with the Iranians on the likelihood that they'd actually tell us the truth and comply with agreement is zero. And I think the Trump administration this time will see that as well.
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And to that point, that was kind of also the red line for Bibi Netanyahu, Prime Minister Netanyahu, when he met with President Trump and they were talking about negotiations with Iran. He brought up kind of the Libya model, where Libya, there were real monitoring of dismantling of WMD programs, and they were able to see that through, that that no longer existed. Iran is a different nation, obviously, but... different set of ideals and ideology that guides them. And I think the concern many people have is that sitting with the Iranians because of the JCPOA, that somehow you end up with a JCPOA 2.0 or a scenario that doesn't really address the problem. I think to your point, President Trump came from a position of strength on this and the options, even hearing the Secretary of Defense saying that no option is off the table if we don't see that real goal through. But it also has to be not just let go without talking about that. There has to be a real dismantling of that program with tangible checks on them to make sure that there is no nuclear weapon.
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Precisely right. Look, I'm not optimistic. I don't see any sign that the Ayatollah himself was prepared to do what is necessary to protect America. That is, the outcome of a negotiated solution would be adequate to protect America or our friends in the region, the Gulf states and the Israelis both. And so I'm happy if they want to continue to have the conversation, but we can't let it drag out. We can't let the Iranians hand us some tepid deal like they handed to President Obama. But I think President Trump comes from a different place. He has made clear he is prepared to do what it takes to dismantle the Iranian weapons program and their enrichment capabilities. If they don't sign up for that, maybe. maybe that risk will be evaluated by the ayatollah and i'll be surprised i hope not and i hope i'm not surprised too by a trump administration this time that signs up for something that doesn't actually protect america i don't think it's likely but i suppose it's possible i will just as i oppose secretary kerry entering a bad deal i'll suppose this administer i'll oppose this administration entering one too
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But, Will, I'll let you go from here. I just wanted to start off, Coach Pearls, that you're coming off a historic season with the Tigers, number one overall seed in the tournament. All eyes are on Auburn. And throughout that entire run to the Final Four, you repeatedly used your platform, one of the biggest in sports, to advocate for Eden Alexander and the hostages. I just wanted you to tell us a little bit about that decision to highlight this in one of these huge moments in sports.
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You know, guys, great to be with you. And thank you for the amazing work that you guys do. Grateful. You know, we beat Creighton and we're going to the Sweet 16 and I'm walking in the halls of Rupp Arena and thanking God for the blessing and wondering why we're worthy and so grateful. And God spoke to me and he said, remember who you are. And remember where you came from. And do you understand why you've had this success and this blessing? And I understand what my responsibilities are. My Hebrew name is Mordecai. And as you know from the story of Purim, Mordecai had a responsibility. And that was to try to educate his niece Esther. Look, if you don't do something about this, the Jewish people are going to be killed. And you could be amongst them. And so what people think sometimes when they see this basketball coach out there involved in tweeting, they think it's political. And it's not political. It's survival. The Jewish people and the people in Israel have been under attack since they were born in 1948 by a segment of the Arab and Palestinian population that simply do not want to live next door as neighbors. They do not want peace. They want Israel from the river to the sea. At the same time, guys, as you know, there are many Arab nations who want peace with Israel, who have entered into the Abraham Accords. We want to live as Arabs and Jews side by side in the Middle East like we've done for 3,000 years. And so, unfortunately, after October 7th, that was a message that Israel must do two things. One, we must protect ourselves from those that want to kill us. And two, we still, as Jews, have responsibility, as God's chosen people, to let the light shine upon us and love better, be kinder, be more generous, and try to continue to live in peace with all neighbors that are willing to live in peace.
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Yeah, Coach Pearl, I think that that is something that comes up time to time. It feels like... The story, obviously, we're in Passover week, we're in Easter week. It couldn't feel like a more appropriate time to discuss this kind of topic because it is so powerful right now. What's happening even in our college campuses, and we've seen that at Harvard. We've seen Harvard have to kind of push back on saying, I don't know if we're going to protect our Jewish students as well as we can. Look, my son is preparing for his bar mitzvah right now, and we're having to have real discussions about what security looks like. These aren't things that we would normally have to talk about. But you're talking to a party planner and that starts to come up. This is the world we're living in. And you have the attack on Governor Shapiro's house in Pennsylvania. How do we? I mean, you've done such a good job of keeping this out there and talking about it. But as Jewish Americans, as even Jewish Christian Americans, it feels like a very intense time and it can become very easy to get concerned, scared and hide. Right.
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Yeah, well, we can't do that. I mean, we absolutely cannot do that. And you're right. Listen, since the day I was born, there's been a police officer outside of the temple. And he's not there to park cars. He's there to protect the worshipers inside praying. And I grew up with that. I'm 65 years old. I would not know anything different than going to synagogue than having two police cars out there, keeping an eye just to make sure somebody doesn't want to walk in and shoot off a gun or kill the people that are in there praying. So, wow. While it's not a surprise to me, it is a surprise to some of our young Jewish students. They didn't necessarily grow up with it, you know, or haven't understand it. You know, I am for peaceful protests. I am all about our Constitution and all about this great republic and this great democracy. I'll even go as far as saying in the House of Representatives, if Rashida Tlaib is going to be voted into the House of Representatives by the people in Michigan that want her to be there, even though I disagree with everything she stands for, This is what makes our country great. If Ilhan Omar can be a congresswoman voted by a Somali population in Minnesota, that's what the House of Representatives was designed for. And then let them have debate and let them go about their business and so forth at the same time. There is a difference between free speech and hate speech. There is a difference between breaking the law. If you're gonna be out there protesting and you're gonna be threatening me and my survival and my ability to live in this country, I don't call that free speech. I call that breaking the law. If you're going to be intimidating Jewish students from going to class or closing down buildings or doing whatever you're doing, That is breaking the law. That is not free speech. If those protesters on Columbia campuses or Harvard's campus, if they were out there wearing white hoods asking for the death and destruction of the African-American people in this country, we wouldn't have it. We wouldn't stand for it. We wouldn't allow it for one second. But somehow it's okay when they're protesting Israel or the Jewish people. And it's not okay. And we're not going to have it. And I'm so glad that President Trump is now taking on this task of saying, look, if this is who you're going to be as visiting students, as green card holders, as people that are guests in our country, you're not welcome in our country. And you can go back home. And there is a different level of due process for a... a green card holder, and somebody on a student visa than there is a United States citizen.
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Coach Pearl, thank you so much for joining us today. And we just have about a minute left, but I did also want to bring up, in addition to many accolades this year, being Coach of the Year, you also have a new title as Chairman of the U.S.-Israel Education Association. So congratulations on that. You're going to do great work with that and continuing not just as a coach using that platform, but other platforms as well. Thank you for joining us in War Eagle.
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I appreciate it, War Eagle. I'll come on some other time to tell you about the amazing work that U.S. Israel Educational Association is doing and appreciate the work that you guys do very much. God bless America.
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Thank you so much, Coach Pearl, for joining us. Hope you have a great week. And again, thank you so much for joining us. I have to apologize to our callers who we didn't get to today. You know, we had Coach Pearl on and it was an amazing segment. So I was excited to have him on. I did want to take this last minute here. One, this is an important week. As Coach Pearl said, as we've been saying, this is Holy Week for a lot of our Christian listeners. Of course, this is Passover for our Jewish listeners and really for your Christian listeners as well. You should be celebrating. They go hand in hand. I don't know if you've heard the stories, but they seem to dovetail a little. They bookend each other a little bit. I want to encourage you right now to support the work of the ACLJ. Do it today. Scan the QR codes on your screen. This is an unprecedented time. You've just heard from some amazing people. Mike Pompeo. You heard from Coach Pearl. Obviously our team here. You've heard about the work the ACLJ is doing around the country and around the world. We can't do it without you. When your values are under attack, we've got to make sure we're there for you any way we can and for all of our friends and neighbors around the world that need it as well. Go to ACLJ.org right now.
In this episode, expert money managers dissect the U.S. and China's escalating trade tensions, casting a spotlight on NVIDIA's chip dilemma and its broader implications. Beyond the trade rifts, delve into the resilience of market contenders like gold and Bitcoin. Gain valuable insights into potential negotiation breakthroughs and how these might change the financial landscape. Stay ahead by understanding the strategies that can navigate these uncertain waters.
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He's been seen on CNBC, the Fox News Channel, and the Fox Business Channel. His articles can be found on MarketWatch, Seeking Alpha, TheStreet.com, and many other places. He's the author of the weekly Best Stocks Now newsletter and the inventor of the Best Stocks Now app. He's president of Gundersen Capital Management. Here is professional money manager Bill Gundersen.
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And welcome to the Wednesday. It is the Wednesday midweek edition of the Best Stocks Now show with professional money manager Bill Gunderson, president of Gunderson Capital Management. And I'm here with Barry Kite, our chartered financial analyst. And it looks like we've got a bit of an NVIDIA problem here today. But I think it will smooth out. It's caught up in the trade war. The NASDAQ down 2.1% today after several good days in a row. The Dow is down 251. That's 62 basis points. NVIDIA is a big component of all three indexes, and that includes the S&P 500, which is down 70 points right now. It is down 1.3%. Russell 2000 doing the best. Why? Because NVIDIA is not a part of that index. Russell is down 0.5%. We've got the 10-year. Last time I looked, it was dead even with yesterday. It's at 4.32%. Gold is soaring to another new all-time high. It is today at $3,328 per ounce. And last but not least, we've got Bitcoin. And Bitcoin is down 1556 to 84,010. So welcome to today's Best Stocks Now show with professional money manager Bill Gunderson, president of Gunderson Capital Management. I'm here with Barry Kite, our chartered financial analyst. And, you know, we've had a lot of good days in a row in the market. Yesterday we were down a little bit, but we had a good day. A lot of the former leadership stocks did very well yesterday. Netflix was a standout yesterday. Nvidia did very well yesterday. uh... and the palantir wow that i sent out uh... three charges suggested here's the best chart in the market right now here's the second best chart in the market right now and here's the third best chart in the market right now and that's after looking at uh... almost eight hundred that different charts so even though the market was down a little bit yesterday uh... we had a very very good day Gold stocks on fire once again. That seems to be the Trump play. When you look at everything here, Barry, gold has been probably the best performer since Trump came in. It seems to like tariffs. Put that down, something I'm learning here. What does gold usually react to? Well, we've never had a tariff war like we're having right now. Gold obviously likes tariffs. Keep that in your playbook for the next time a tariff war comes around. The banks, you know, reported earnings. I think they've all been pretty good here so far. I haven't seen any issues. This is April 16th. Do you know where your tax return is? Do you know where your CPA is? That's even a better question, Barry. How would you like to be a CPA? Did you ever consider that as a profession?
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Never. On the accounting side, as an analyst, especially even at early finance, you dove into as little accounting as possible, particularly the You know, the cash accounting with the, you know, financial statements are one thing, but making all the book logs, right, the credits and debits, right? I love it. That's where, yeah, that part was, you know, pretty tedious, of course. And then, you know, computer programming came along for...
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Yes.
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For some of that stuff, but, you know, it was always, they never wanted to go the CPA route, though it's been lucrative for a lot of those.
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Yeah, I just never wanted that stress of I'll come and do it once. Of course, nowadays, you know, you file the extensions and it's not. I guess that's always been around. I don't know. But it seems like a very stressful business. All the CPAs I knew, about April 17th, you wouldn't see them for a couple weeks. They'd be recovering from the onslaught. But I do love accounting. I mean, I would say that's one of the things. that I truly enjoy because I love the spreadsheets involved. Okay, well, stock indexes are down. I'm going to blame mostly NVIDIA here. And all of a sudden, NVIDIA is being used as a trade chip. There's some bad news on the trade front today, but I would say that the good news on the trade front overwhelms because there is light now at the end of the tunnel, which we'll talk about here in a moment. But the news today is Trump says Nvidia's H20 chip is being blocked from going to China. So H20 is the next level below the Blackwell and we thought it was free and clear, right? Weren't we talking about the H-20?
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Well, yeah, there's the H-20, and that was the one that they kind of reconfigured as a quote-unquote dumbed-down version. China compliant. Right, of the Blackwell, right? So it's a notch under it. I mean, it's no different than, I think, different weapon systems we've sold over the years where ours might carry a bigger payload than the one you sell overseas. But not much different than that. But from a computing standpoint, right, it's, you know, yesterday what was the rare earth minerals, right? Of course, today, right, is the chips.
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We've had Boeing caught up in it. Yeah, the rare earth minerals. You know, it's just been almost... I'll see your rays and I'll raise you. And that's the way it's been. It's been escalating. But there does seem to be good news on that front, which we'll talk about here in a moment. Jerome Powell is expected to speak later in the day. I personally am not a Jerome Powell fan. I think he's done okay. But I was kind of like Bernanke. I thought he did a really good job, especially, I mean, he was made for that crisis that we had. You know, he came along because that's what he had specialized in in his studies were, you know, studies of crisis management.
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action by the fed and i still have some fond memories of all you know greenspan of course you know eventually you know people you know some folks will kind of blame some of the the financial crisis uh kind of falls in his lap but you know in reality to me it's whoever was making those uh uh those those different uh mortgage-backed securities that really kind of yes kind of did things in but
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Well, OK, so as you know, the impact of this NVIDIA news is they're going to I think they announced it already that they're going to write down like five or six billion dollars, which is a one time extraordinary item. There's an accounting term. And I think that most people were caught by surprise. I think most analysts expected this to happen, but to be effective immediately with just three weeks, let's see, we got, let's see, the nature of the curve is more disruptive than expected, said Morgan Stanley analyst Joseph Moore. He said that $5.5 billion of inventory would have driven $12 billion in revenues at gross margins of approximately $0.60. I think it comes down to $0.23 a share for NVIDIA. But like we've been saying. During COVID, there was a time when the market was pricing in, COVID never leaving, okay? And today, there's a pricing in the market and there's a sentiment in the market from some, maybe the majority, that the taxes are going to remain or the tariffs are going to remain and the restrictions, the Rare Earth, the Boeings, the NVIDIAs are going to remain where they're at today. And we're in the middle of a book that is being written, and each chapter is being added every single day. We haven't reached the climax yet. Hopefully we'll have a happy ending and everyone lived happily ever after, which I think is going to happen eventually. And I have more reason to believe that today than ever before because China has named a new negotiator to negotiate, okay? It was the cold shoulder. It was the silent treatment. It was the escalation. And today, the headline on Yahoo Finance was China signals willingness for trade talks if the U.S. shows respect. And they name a trusted point person. Now, I see that as major progress. Okay, this is the first time that China is saying, okay, maybe we're ready to negotiate here. They're demanding a series of concrete steps from U.S. President Donald Trump's administration before it agrees to trade negotiations. I remember when they used to argue about the shape of the table. You remember that in the peace talks? They couldn't decide on a rectangular table or a circular table. So China wants to get the ground rules in place, and now they're ready to talk. I see that personally as major progress. Major, major progress. We'll be right back.
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Dan, welcome back here to the second quarter of today's Best Stocks Now show. So here's what it's going to take to get the two sides to come up with a, hopefully, a landmark. I mean, I can see the headline now, and I hope this isn't wishful thinking, but a landmark deal between China and the U.S. that benefits both sides. I mean, look, China's good at a lot of things we aren't good at, and we're good at a lot of things China isn't good at. And if the two sides could come together and find a happy medium. We could be very good partners instead of adversaries with one another. Among the key conditions is a call for greater respect in diplomatic discourse. Specifically, Beijing wants the Trump administration to curb disparaging remarks made by members of the U.S. Cabinet. Okay, well, I mean, that's all of them. I mean, I suppose that's Navarro and that's, you know, right on down the line, all of the negotiators, they don't want to have disparaging remarks, which I think is true in any kind of a negotiation where you're trying to bring peace and drive out contention. In addition, China is seeking more consistency in Washington's trade position. and a willingness to address China's concerns around American sanctions and Taiwan. Okay, so they want to address Taiwan. And they want to address the sanctions that have been placed on them and certain things. And the more consistency, well, I just look at it, it's been escalated. There can't be any consistency until there is consistency, until the two sides start coming together. Because right now it's just kind of an escalating kind of thing. And it's a negotiation that's taking place. It's the art of the deal, I guess you would say. Furthermore, Beijing also wants the U.S. to designate a clear point person. for trade negotiations. You know, I sure like this guy, Witkif. Let's see, I'm trying to think. He is really a diplomatic, Witkof, I think, a very nice person, very well-spoken. I've heard several interviews with him. He's been sent to talk to Putin. He's been sent to talk to Zelensky. Maybe he can help bring about a grand deal. But I don't think they want to deal with Navarro. I don't know that they want to deal with Hegseth or whoever else. They want to know who they're going to deal with. They want to meet face-to-face. This is all progress. This has just happened this morning or yesterday. I mean, China's markets, I think they're eight hours behind us or something like that. Usually, if I can't sleep, I listen to Bloomberg Asian Markets. That's always thrilling.
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That will put you to sleep.
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If nothing will put you back to sleep, Bloomberg's Asian Markets will, and you'll learn a little about the Asian economy and culture and stuff in the meantime.
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And you'll get an infomercial after when you run that one out.
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Yes, okay. So that's what they're asking for, all right? And so, look, this is a major step forward because until this, we had nothing, nothing. Trump says U.S. is raking in a record number from the tariffs, okay, points to lower inflation. So far, the sellers, the companies that are selling the goods seem to be absorbing the tariffs so far. But something's got to give here pretty soon. In the meantime, China's Q1 GDP growth, 5.4%, tops estimates. Well, we know why. We've explained that. Because there's been a lot of stocking up on Chinese goods before the tariffs hit. I would say that they're going to not have 5.4% in the quarter that we're currently in right now. And in the meantime, the U.S. retail sales beats consensus up 1.4%, which I thought was pretty good. So there seems to be no weakness amongst the U.S. consumer right now. So far the earnings season, everything good so far. I haven't seen anything. In fact, almost every one of the banks came in with better than expected earnings. Today we've had ASML report. We'll get to that. We saw good reports today from Travelers. We saw good report today from Progressive. Those were kind of the two big ones. This morning. Tomorrow will be Netflix. And Netflix had a monster day yesterday. It was the chart of the day yesterday, along with a couple others. There were three that I sent out yesterday. Okay. U.S. lowers the estimate of the aid provided to Ukraine. Well, we've heard a lot of numbers thrown around. of how much we've given to Ukraine. Well, there's been some kind of an accounting done and the United States has now cut its cost estimate for the assistance provided to Ukraine since Russia's invasion in 2022. So this is three years, two and a half years. It's $100 billion. First, we were saying $300 billion. There weren't good records kept from the records that we have. Of course, we don't have records of where the money went, how it was spent, blah, blah, blah. But it's only a cool $100 billion, which is a tenth of a trillion. That's nothing to sneeze at. Ukraine said it was $90 billion, and we now have settled on a number of $100 billion. The U.S. has been Kiev's largest supporter by far. since Russia's full-scale invasion of Ukraine. Now, I haven't seen much progress there. I know that they continue to talk, and they continue, but, you know, Putin has the upper hand right now, and he's defeating them, and he's thinking, why should I come to the table at this point in time? So you've got that. Tariff turmoil raises year-end gold forecast from some analysts to 3,600. Well, we're almost there. We're getting there very quickly. We do own, for the first time in a long time, several big positions in gold. in our portfolios. The S&P formed a death cross yesterday. Okay, I want to talk about that for a minute. That is a technical indicator, and it's indicated by the name. It's not a good thing, death cross. A death cross is when the 50-day moving average crosses below the 200-day moving average. I'd have to go back and look the last time when that happened, and normally that would be kind of a technical sell signal on the market. But having said that, no two death cross are the same. A true death cross, in my opinion, is when you've got a weakening economy, GDP falling, earnings estimates, and we're headed into recession, and then a death cross. And the same is true for the golden cross, when the 50 crosses above the 200 day. If it's on a short-term event, that doesn't mean as much. I saw some golden crosses here yesterday. not too long ago in the inverse funds on Europe and the emerging markets those were false signals because Europe and the emerging markets went on to erase those and reverse those to golden crosses very quickly and I would look at this death cross not as seriously as I would other death crosses because This is an event-driven death cross, and I believe that this is a temporary event. I don't believe that a year from now, the tariffs on China are going to be 240% or whatever they are, and the tariffs against us are going to be 100%. I believe that things are going to be resolved. So an event-driven death cross like we have is different from a recession.
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This is Barry Kite with Gunderson Capital.
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And welcome back here to the second half of the Best Docs Now show with professional money manager Bill Gunderson and
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Chartered financial analyst, Barry Kite. Okay, let's go back to the death cross just for a minute. This is the first occurrence of the death cross in the benchmark S&P 500 since March of 2022. Where were you in March of 2022? That's the year we became very, very defensive in the market. We had had the boom year, the last nine months of 2020, the COVID year. Then we had all that COVID money sloshing around, Barry, and 2021 was red hot.
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And 2021 was an odd one because it was supposed to be when the Fed began raising rates, but you had Omicron, remember, push it off. And then, of course, 2022 is when you had all that medicine kick in.
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So that was a true death cross in my book. In March of 2022, we became defensive. Then we put all in on the NASDAQ in January of 2023. So that's the last time we had a death cross. I would say that's not so much event-driven. That was a cycle in the Fed. That's much more than a one-time occurrence. Cycles by the Fed of tightening or easing are very big factors in the market. So for me, that death cross, which is much more meaningful because it was brought about by the Fed's intention to raise interest rates, which has a huge impact on the market. The NASDAQ was down 30% that year. Okay, now today's death cross, and by the way, the history of death crosses, you can kind of... Flip a coin because historical data shows that only 46% of such patterns have proceeded with deeper losses. That's according to Reuters. So it's 50-50, but... I think what is causing what's behind the death cross increases the probabilities a lot. If it's a falling earnings accompanied by a death cross, that is much, much more meaningful than a one-time event. Who knows how long this event is going to be, this tariff thing. It's going to be resolved.
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And statistically, right, I think we talked about this, when you have the VIX over 40, you know, essentially 12 months later, the market's up 90, I think it's 96% of the time.
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Yeah, we had that recently.
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And so you have, you know, that's kind of, you know, almost, that's almost representative of what you're saying in terms of it being, you know, more of a quote-unquote event-driven rate than... some persistent earnings. People forget that you had certain things, even in the financial crisis, that just led up to you know, the Lehman event. But a lot of it was, you know, death by a thousand cuts where it was, okay, banks, they're going to, you know, they took a loan loss. Well, then the next quarter, guess what? They took another loan loss, right? And it was like, okay, well, how far are the losses going to go? And, you know, and of course the market follows earnings, as you said, and then you've had the biggest earnings boom ever. you know, since that time period.
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Absolutely.
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But where we're at here, none of it was earnings driven, at least not yet.
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Not yet. Okay, now I keep a list in my head of people in the market, and you've heard me talk about the many times the listeners have of analysts and so-called experts and chief investment officers that I pay very little attention to. because they've been wrong more often than not way more almost always wrong it would seem and others i pay a lot of attention to you know i like to follow people that are right most of the time so put this one on one that i like because i agree with this totally this is bank of montreal right bmo isn't that bank of montreal Their chief investment officer, Yung Yu Ma, probably Taiwanese. He says that a market bottom is likely in place, but smooth sailing not guaranteed. 100% I agree with that. He says he was interviewed yesterday on CNBC. He is cautiously optimistic on the stability of the economy and market conditions. And that's another reason why I kind of discount this death cross that was made here recently in the S&P 500. In an interview with CNBC, he noted that the markets have settled down a lot following earlier volatility. I mean, we could still have a 1,000-point day, but there for a couple weeks, Barry, every day was 1,000 points. leading to severe stomach troubles and acid indigestion, pointing to the 10-year Treasury yield at 4.35. And as you talked, the VIX has now settled down to 30. It hit 50, actually. He thinks consumer spending will hold up reasonably well. Well, we got evidence of that today and emphasize that soft sentiment data hasn't translated to weaker hard metrics like weekly unemployment claims, which we say every single week on Thursday. We haven't seen any deterioration in those weekly unemployment claims.
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And we had retail sales pop up, meaning people might have front-ended some purchases because of the tariffs, but bottom line is they apparently had some spending power to do it, right? So that turned out pretty...
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pretty significant as well so i like this guy i'm going to put this guy down and i'm going to follow him on x whatever i need to find him bmo's young dash u y u ma m a and his final sentence here i totally agree with he says the narrative is going to change in a couple of months He concluded, forecasting improved business confidence as trade uncertainties resolve. Now, there's a smart guy. Maybe he's been wrong every other time. I don't know. I have to look at his track record.
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I tell you, another kind of credit to analysts I'll give is United today. They came out with essentially two earnings outlooks, right? They're one under this scenario and one under a different scenario, which companies don't, surprisingly enough, actually don't do very often.
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Okay, well, UAL also reported a very good earnings report, and the stock's up 3.2% here today, United Airlines. Okay, the other one that's on my good list is Oppenheimer. Oppenheimer, their top picks are NVIDIA, Broadcom, and Marvell. I couldn't agree more. Those are the three best chip stocks out there. at the current time. And eventually this whole chip thing will get involved, will get resolved. I'm not a fan, really, of any other chip stock that I can think of. I'm trying to think. But Marvell.
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AMD has been constructive lately, but, I mean, it's still not a name.
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There's something I don't like about it.
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It's still not a name that we're itching to jump into.
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I don't have a lot of faith there for some reason because there's so much still linked to PC sales.
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Certainly.
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And, you know, but Marvell is more data center, and Marvell has got a very low forward PE ratio. I want to say 13 or 14, something like that. And Broadcom also has a very low forward PE ratio, too, and could be a candidate for the value slash relative value portfolio. I think I made a couple, two or three buys in that thing yesterday. Okay, Ecolab announces a 5% trade surcharge in the U.S. So I use this as an example. I think this is how you're going to see these tariffs show up as surcharges until things get resolved. Just like Waffle House put a $1.50 surcharge on a three-egg omelet, 50 cents per egg. You know, I can remember times I used to go tuna fishing off of San Diego, and you had to go 100 miles offshore to get to those tuna. Sometimes they came within 20 miles. That was really nice when that happened. But back when we had extreme gas price volatility, they would, okay, you've got to pay another $30 for today's tuna trip. It's a fuel surcharge. Right. So they're temporary charges until things get resolved. And I see that happening as a way like eco labs. You know, they do a lot of different things for janitorial supplies and things like that. And they're putting a 5 percent trade surcharge. So you have your choice. You don't have to buy their products. And if you do, you're going to have to eat part of the tariff. Okay, and here's a cottage industry. I wish I was a European country and could just sue U.S. tech companies. I think that should be part of the trade negotiations with Europe. Google is sued for $6.6 billion in the U.K. for abusing search engine dominance. Should we fine Rory McIlroy for dominating the golf, the fairways? That last drive he made was just unbelievable, just so picture perfect in the playoff. But that's a cottage industry for Europe, regulating and charging and fining American tech companies. We'll be right back.
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And welcome back here to the final segment of today's Best Docs Now show. Well, let's take a look at some individual companies here today. Let's begin with Nutex. Okay, this is one that has come up on my radar recently, and I don't own it. But there's something going on there. This thing has just taken off. It is headquartered in Houston, Texas. where hopefully we'll get to before the end of the year. Our show is heard in Houston on a daily basis, Monday through Friday. Yes, and it's a note on NewTex. Yes, NewTex is a micro-cap, $730 million in market capitalization. So it's not even a billion-dollar company yet. But I show $8.36 in earnings expected this year, and I see that they operate a technology-enabled health care services program. uh... of some sort okay so i'm gonna have to do some research on the company uh... they call it the future of health care there are health management and they operate uh... into divisions a hospital division and a population health division i don't know what that is uh... that one worries me a little bit but i'm going to take a look into the company because the stock has been rocketing higher, and it only has a PE ratio of 15.
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And Houston's a huge medical hub, too.
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Yeah, I guess it is, really.
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Especially on the cancer side, for sure.
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Yes. NUTX is the symbol here, N-U-T-X. I talked to a radio guy yesterday, or he contacted me in Dallas. I really enjoyed having a show in Dallas and going there. But right now there's not a station out there that has a Monday through Friday spot. They have weekend spots. which I could do a best of, maybe. I would still consider doing that, but I got called from the station that runs the Dallas Cowboys. I don't know if that's a good thing or a bad thing, the way the Cowboys have been lately, but I'm sure plenty of people listen to it. K-Sky. Want me to run a morning Saturday show there. So, you know what, we'll think about it. But right now, I prefer weekdays. But NewTex in Houston, where we're heard weekdays on Salem's affiliate down there. Okay, so keep your eye on NUTX. The next one I want to talk about, and this is at the opposite end, Pershing Square, you know what? I get so sick of Bill Ackman. He is a media hound, okay? His results have really not been that good over the years. He's had a lot of bad calls. He's taking a large stake in Hertz Global, okay? It soars after Pershing Square takes a large stake. Well, I've always said, follow your gurus wisely. It's up 15% today, but Hertz has been hurting. They made that huge mistake with all the Teslas. They've had fallen earnings. Let's see how it works out for Bill Ackman, okay? Mark this one on your things to do. Check it three months from now. It's at $4.20. It's barely hanging in there as a company, as Hertz, headquartered in Estero, Florida, by the way.
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Well, I mean, I guess the one thing I guess you could argue is that – besides the tesla piece that maybe their you know fleet of cars would be worth more as used car prices would go up say under some long tariff scenario but you know other than that it seems other than that it seems like a kind of a not a great play i would say they're a victim of uber and left big time yeah i mean right i don't you don't need a rental car a lot of times anymore right i mean if you want to get around it's easy to get around
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Okay, Hewlett-Packard keeps a bullish view. Now, Bank of America yesterday was recommending the Trojan Company. I'm trying to think of the name of it right now. I can't think of it, but it will come to me in a minute here. But today they're recommending Hewlett-Packard Enterprise. I can't think of a worse pick. Then Hewlett Packard Enterprise, HPE, which has gone nowhere for years. But, you know, okay, so there's another form of investing. Follow the activists. nelson pelts right uh who are some of these well-known activists starboard capital that go in there and shake companies up and try to change the management disney was under attack for a long time by an activist i've never seen that as a good investment strategy in this case it's elliott management they took a 1.5 billion dollar stake in the company which is usually a temporary stake, but it gets them enough say in the company to try to get changes made at the top. Personally, I've watched these activist investors over to Carl Icahn, another one. I've watched these guys over time. It may work for them.
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That's what I was going to say. If it works for any person, it works for them.
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The activists themselves. That's who benefits. Okay, another one on my radar is WGS. This is a powerhouse. It's about $3 billion in market cap. Sales growing very rapidly. We don't own it. but they provide the centralis health intelligence platform deliver it's a high in developing new drugs and i think there's a couple of plays here Number one, this moving away from animals to AI. Believe it or not, during the years I was a scoutmaster for many years, I had several good senior patrol leaders that were sharp kids. And one of them ended up being a chief scientist at Sertara back on the East Coast. It's in Massachusetts. And they had a way around studying drugs without using animals. So he was one of the smartest kids. He ran the troop, Barry. I just sat back and did nothing. This kid was a genius. His brothers were geniuses. One's the CEO of a semiconductor company in the Bay Area. His father, their father worked for a big company. tech company out of the early days of Silicon Valley and whatnot. But anyways, this kid is the chief scientist at Certara, C-E-R-T, which is benefiting from this move away from animal testing. And WGS is the other one to keep an eye on. And then the last two I'd mention are Travelers and Progressive, both having very good days today. The insurance stocks have been a leading sector. We're out of time. I'm going to hear the music here in a minute. There has never been a better time to be value shopping. I'm going to put in another plug for my brand new relative value slash value portfolio, which also aims at favorable tax treatment, long-term gains, and less volatility than a pure growth fund. Make an appointment with us. Talk to us. 855-611-BEST. 855-611-BEST. Our next trip, Lakewood Ranch in the Sarasota area. We'll be announcing the date soon. Have a great day, everybody.
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In this episode of The Kim Munson Show, Kim dives deep into the intricacies of epistemic capture and the relationship between true science and misleading narratives. Joined by Dr. James Lyons-Weiler, founder of IPAC, they explore the vital role his institution plays in providing accessible education for the intellectually curious. As they discuss the power dynamics affecting societies today, this episode challenges listeners to open their minds to new ideas and independent thought.
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Kim, thank you so much. How have you been?
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I have been doing well, but my, oh my, there's a lot that's going on out there, Dr. Jack.
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Oh, there sure is. Whiplash. People have a hard time keeping up. I'm having a hard time keeping up, frankly.
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And you've really got your ear to the ground on all this stuff. So we'll get into the issues out there. But before we do, I wanted to talk about IPAC-EDU.org. And I know that enrollment, as people were saying, staying at home a lot, they certainly were hungry for different things to learn about. But I think now that things have opened up a bit more, people are distracted. There's so much noise out there. And how does IPAC-EDU.org percolate to the top?
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Oh, very simple. Thank you for that. We provide community of lifelong learners with a structured learning environment. We were all socialized to pay attention in class, to consume information, think about it, process it. And our participants get to ask questions and share their thoughts and ideas. So we helped make sense out of the mayhem. And that's all that we've done. I mean, I've done that with the popular rationalism as well. You know, I had The most attention I received was when the public's jobs were under threat from the Biden administration. I was getting 30 or 40 or 50, 60,000 reads a day for about four months. That was incredible. But adpac-edu.org is where you go and you'll find amazing courses. Right now we're just in the second lecture of what we're calling a mega course. And the mega course is Power and Social Change. In this course, we're making sense of different forces that are at play and how they interact in civilization, whether those forces are major forces or minor forces, and how to tell. We're taking a somewhat quantitative look at some of these things that I think people will appreciate. And if you're curious about this, it kind of falls under the moniker of mathematical sociology. But we're just talking about these things. And these factors are things like national identity erosion, centralization of power, bureaucratic bloat. We talk about social stratification, the epistemic capture where what the government's telling you is backed by science is not really backed by science. It's narrative enforcement. And then the effects of external forces like the threats from other countries and arms races, reliance on mercenaries at the end of civilization before sudden military defeat. There are so many topics on how they all interact with each other, and they interact in various ways at different times. But among these, some of the most important factors are the epistemic capture. How do you know that the information that you're being presented with through the media or online is not just another layer of propaganda? You're taught to respect doctors and scientists, but if the scientists are... not doing science, what are they doing? They're conducting something else. It's a subversive act, actually, called epistemic capture. So we provide people with mind frameworks that they can carry in their brain, and they can say, oh, I see the difference. When Fauci is lying, that's epistemic capture. So they don't have to be angry at science. They don't have to defund science out of the terror that somehow scientists everywhere are evil. They can see the difference between fraud and science. And I've said this for years. Everywhere I go, please don't throw the baby out with the bathwater. Science is a way of knowing. It's a valid way of knowing things. Scientists are not your enemy. True scientists are not your enemy. Bureaucrats that have hijacked science and corrupted it and made it look like science, but it's not science. What is that? We need language. So, yeah, I have an article on this recently on my sub stack, Popular Rationalism. where I actually take a quantitative approach due to the tariffs that are happening, and I say, okay, out of all these social things that are happening, can we come to some estimate about how close the United States of America is to collapse, you know, with all these factors pushing us? And this is a dramatic regime change between the Biden oligarchy, where Biden was president to name only, apparently, and the Trump administration, that has the backing of many people who are dissatisfied with large government. And there's this idea that there's a lowered return on investment as you build a complex society. So the more complex a society becomes, the more friction there are among the parts, and that friction takes energy away from the civilization's progress. And that friction itself is wasteful. There's an analogy to this in physics. It's wasteful in that different pieces of the puzzle take bigger and bigger parts. A great analogy would be the insurance industry in how health care is funded. There's a huge amount of financial friction where the You know, insurance companies are making money telling us what we can and cannot do with money. By definition, that's a non-revenue-generating faction that actually has a parasitic relationship on the system. And so we give people the tools to be able to think like this and to be able to speak like this when they're with their friends and families and neighbors. And it's backed by some really smart people. We have the best instructors. You know, we work for ourselves. We are truly just independent Americans making it in this world. We're not backed by some social program, anti-globalist, pro-right, pro-left, independent. We are literally just academics that came together and said the flame of objective thought, independent objective thought, without fear of retribution from authority, has to survive. And we made it through the Biden administration. We made it through COVID. We're empowering people to, you know, be able to participate in their own governance. You know, we have just course after course after course where you can spend between 10 and 15 weeks meeting with the same people, digging deep into topics that really matter. And, you know, by the way, the probability that the United States is going to collapse, we're only 63% of the way there. That doesn't mean there's a 63% chance, but we're not like 95%. It's not the end of the world, you know, this kind of thing. There's resilience that's built into how you structure societies, and that resilience is another aspect of this course. What are the things that we can do individually to contribute to resilience in our society? And a lot of it involves being prepared to mix your own personal discovered political position on independent issues separate from what your party might say is the most important. You have to be able to do that. We have to have dissent. Right. New leadership after a society collapses or a regime change usually comes from the outside or the fringe, as it's called by sociologists. It doesn't mean that we're weird, but that new leadership has ways of thinking about things that are different than what caused society to go through the gyrations of things like allowing Fauci to become so powerful in the NIH as as director of the NIAID. to be able to call the university and say, unless you shut this guy down, he's saying things that he shouldn't say, we're going to cut all of your funding, which is, you know, just like a shakedown. It's just like a mafioso shakedown. So, yeah, this particular entity, IPAC-EDU.org, It's for the people. We don't have any agenda other than understanding. We don't have to agree with each other. We have people from all walks of life, all political backgrounds. You know, the homogenization of thought is a is a very, very, very real risk factor. And so, yeah, we're here to teach the basics as well, from biology to genetics to immunology. so that when you see the technocracy barking at you that you now have to do this to yourself or do that to your kids, you have a better vocabulary to be able to ask important questions.
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Okay, and Dr. Jack, what is the name of that particular course again?
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Yeah, that particular course is Power and Social Change. Okay. Yeah, Power and Social Change. You can find it. at ipec-edu.org under the registration page. We're looking at exponential forces and civilization and governance.
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And it's not too late for people to sign up for that.
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Oh, no. Registration's open. It's going to be probably an eight-week course. We're only two weeks in. We have the first two class meetings, the first one class meeting videotaped, and the second class meeting is this week. at 11 a.m. Eastern Time. I'm in the Eastern time zone. We meet every Thursday, and it'll go for maybe an hour, hour and a half, depending on how the discussion goes.
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And you're teaching that, or do you have other instructors as well?
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Yeah, it's co-taught by myself, and the other two co-instructors are Brad Miller and who was the former lieutenant colonel, lieutenant commander, sorry, that refused to vaccinate. He was an American hero. He'd served his time in the Middle East, came under fire, came back to the States. All of a sudden, you're nothing if you don't vaccinate. And he stood up. So Brad Miller is there. He has a suite of other courses that he teaches with us. And then a brilliant woman by the name of Dr. Tori Alexander. You can look her up on the web, VN Alexander. But, yeah, look up Brad Miller on Twitter and Tori Alexander. And we take turns commenting. I'll be doing most of the presenting of the material, but, you know, diversity of insight and opinion. Then we open it up for general discussion at the end.
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And that's what's so unique is it's relational as well. It's not just sitting on one side of your computer with a lecture coming at you. It is relational and commentary on that. And so you can find that at IPAC-EDU.org. We are going to continue the discussion with Dr. James Lyons-Weiler on a variety of other issues as well. We're pre-recording. for holy week and all this happens because of our sponsors i know them all personally they all strive for excellence and the roger bang at state farm insurance team's been in business for 48 years taking care of his family serving his customers giving back to the community and can help with all your insurance needs so give them a call at 303-795 for a complimentary appointment that's 303-795-8855 because like a good neighbor the roger mangan insurance team is there
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And welcome back to The Kim Munson Show. Be sure and check out our website. That is KimMunson, M-O-N-S-O-N.com. Sign up for our weekly email newsletter. You can email me at Kim at KimMunson.com as well. Thank you to all of you who support us. We're an independent voice. We search for truth and clarity by looking at these issues through the lens of freedom versus force, force versus freedom. If something's a good idea, you should not have to force people to do it. And Hooters Restaurants has been a great sponsor of both my shows, The Kim Munson Show and and America's veteran stories for many years. How I got to know them is a really important story about freedom and free markets and capitalism and how those pesky PBIs, politicians and bureaucrats and interested parties want to control our lives. So you can find that story at KimMunson.com. But they do have five locations, Loveland, Aurora, Lone Tree, Westminster, and Colorado Springs, and great specials for lunch and happy hour Monday through Friday. So check all that out there. I'm talking with Dr. James Lyons Weiler, and he is the creator of IPAC, the Institute for Pure and Applied Knowledge. And then moving into COVID, he created IPAC-EDU.org with all of these great educational programs. In particular, you can still sign up for this one, Power and Social Change. that I think is super interesting. And also you can find his essays, his writings, his articles at Substack under Popular Rationalism. Dr. Jack, you are personal friends with RFK Jr., And he's confirmed as the Secretary of Health and Human Services, a very tall order. It seems like there are a lot of different factions that have opinions about where he should be going on things. What's your update on Maha, Make America Healthy Again?
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Well, just like we spoke in the last segment, it's very difficult to keep up. There has been so much that's been done, and so much is ongoing. I mean, we've all heard of Doge and the budget cuts and the people being exited from government. You think about all the broken institutions. This administration is taking a wrecking ball. to all these broken institutions and knock it down so that we can rebuild in a way that reflects American values. It reflects the goals of the institutions. Many of these institutions were not even doing anything remotely close to what their charter was. We've seen the exodus of some people who were clearly, in my opinion, bad actors, unfaithful actors at that, who were tasked with protecting the public health. Peter Marks, for instance, is gone. He was a high-ranking official at the FDA who absolutely abrogated the contract, the social contract with the American public to look after our safety in a number of ways. He looked after fast-tracking drugs, and what happens with fast-tracking drugs and things like gene therapies, you end up with patients that are put at risk and dying. There was a young man who died under a gene therapy clinical trial that was fast-tracked. And years ago, all gene therapy trials were stopped after a young man died. And so it seems as though the banality of evil is that, well, you know, you get some deaths from time to time. And we're not quite where we need to be on the ethics, the balance of ethics on that. But more importantly, I think history is going to hold Peter Marks, you know, equally culpable, as it will Anthony Fauci. You know, early on when they first came out with the commercial RT-PCR tests. I wrote to Peter Marks in his then capacity at FDA. And I said, listen, the FDA just put out a call to make sure that people that are marketing tests, companies that are marketing tests, RT-PCR tests for COVID have to be able to show that they can determine when the virus is present. And I wrote to him and I said, you're setting this up where there's going to be an epidemic of false positives because you have not also required them to be able to show evidence to the FDA for emergency use authorization that their test does not show the virus to be present when it is in fact absent. And so he ignored that, so far as I can tell. The false positives were a result of arbitrary settings on the number of cycles that... you use to determine that the virus is present or not they don't have time to get in the technical weeds but i was on that early right after the pcr test came out i was not happy and so it's good to see this kind of change you know robert kennedy jr you say he's my friend i'm also a close professional advisor those those two things are true and i'm very proud of that affiliation he um He is staying true to his roots on his personal ethics and ethos with respect to telling the truth, with respect to environmental concerns. There's going to be actions against more than just food dyes. There's going to be actions against pesticides. I see forthcoming actions against pharmaceutical companies. to clean up their act with respect to the toxicants that we inject kind of routinely into newborns and infants and toddlers and children. The fact is there are a number of people that are a little impatient with the secretary, and I want to remind them that the paint is still – wet on his door were only five weeks and and it took thirty years for the pharmaceutical companies to destroy the health of america i think we need to give secretary kennedy the due respect not just as a man but of the office uh... and uh... the reality is that he needs our support he needs us to echo What we agree with when he makes an announcement, he needs to be amplified so people can hear everything that he's doing. And when we disagree with him, he also needs us to let him know that too. And that's one of the things about Bobby that I really love and I respect and I trust him because there have been times when he and I have disagreed and voices have been raised out of passion for the truth. And when he's wrong, when he says, show me where I'm wrong, I'll admit it. He absolutely means it. So this means he's a lifelong learner. He's capable of taking criticism without taking it personally. He doesn't see it as a personal attack. uh... uh... on the on his character if he's misinformed and that's where we need to be as americans we need to be that to the point where somebody is misinformed it doesn't mean that they're not intelligent or stupid or something but rather they've just don't have the right information at the present time We need to lower our expectations that everyone's going to have everything on recall, especially the older we get. Right, Kim? But, you know, think about everybody's being fed so much misinformation and disinformation by by entities that hire people. Our media, the mainstream media is a wholly-owned subsidiary of the pharmaceutical companies, as far as I can tell, with direct-to-consumer marketing. Bobby's taking that on. He's helping Americans face their demons head-on and taking care of business. And I've never been prouder of him. I think his family will see, in the long run, the detractors within his family will see, in the long run, Not that he was right. That's kind of a grade school mentality. But that he had the wherewithal, the temerity to stand up against the storm of lies. He had the courage to take action and to speak the truth when he had a far easier path than to take all of this on. It is daunting. I don't know how he keeps up with it. I try to help out when I can. to the extent that I can. And, yeah, I think America could not do better with an HHS director. You know, recently he said that the best way to get, you know, to avoid getting the measles is the MMR shot. And there's a couple of caveats that he didn't necessarily throw in there, but thinking people will realize that just being the best way doesn't mean that it's a safe way. Just being the best way doesn't mean that it's very good either. among all the options if the measles virus is around it's highly contagious it's very difficult not to get um infected if you already have natural immunity you're going to get infected too and you'll get a booster on your immune system that way from a secondary infection but it'll be asymptomatic and he didn't have time really to go into all the details but i kind of People who are vaccinated absolutely can get a measles infection, and they make up a huge portion of the transmissions. Asymptomatic infection and transmission from people who are up-to-date on their MMRs absolutely is known in the scientific literature, and I have articles on that as well. But he's not giving up on things like Vaccine safety. He's not giving up on natural and allopathic treatments. He's got people, aerosolized budesonide is one of them. He's got people delivering cod liver oil and making it clear that, you know, if you have vitamin A deficiency, which most Americans do not, but if you do, then you're at risk of complications from the measles infection. And then, of course, all the other side can do is try to make hay out of the fact that two children now have died following measles. And neither of those deaths, however, can be strongly attributed to measles as a disease. And so it's likely that iatrogenic or medical error caused the death of the first girl who died while she was in medical care. under hydrated you know dehydrated and not given you know the penalty of different types of treatments that we know or therapies that we know can mitigate she wasn't given the antivirals for instance and so on and then we have this Second death, and this person, a young boy, I think it was, who got measles, recovered from measles, and then came up with a secondary bacterial infection, probably in the hospital. So both of those are likely iatrogenic disease. And when you ask me to speak about Maha, I want to remind everyone that there's something like 225,000 deaths every year from iatrogenic disease. That includes medical errors, but it also includes medicine that was delivered to the right person for the right reason under current best practice, and the medicines themselves had adverse reactions, caused adverse reactions. And so, you know, with the prioritization of—reprioritization of making America healthy again, we're also— You know, making America survive again by looking at, you know, what are the number one, two, three, four cause of death? And can we focus our energy and effort on reducing those causes of death and iatrogenic illness? That is something that happened to you because of medicine that otherwise wouldn't have happened without that interaction. without intervention that's one of the top priorities i think that the nih should take on we don't have for instance nih funded centers for excellence in iatrogenic disease prevention they don't exist you know mainstream medicine doesn't want to take it on because of the liability but you know we we could say for 10 years there's a 10-year moratorium on liability if it's under study any institution that's actually studying it can enjoy liability from this um then they would study it. I'm sure they would study it, especially if we hung out $100 million. It's worth putting these research programs together and putting out calls for proposals to make sure that this type of research gets done as well. We have to deal with diabetes. We have to deal with the fact that The morbidity and mortality associated with metabolic disorder is real, and I don't think it's just diet by any means. I think that we probably have a severe autoimmunity component to this, even beyond that, which we know is in the autoimmune type of it. The reversible type of diabetes and insulin resistance and all of that, that definitely can be addressed. People should just pick up a weight a day, even if it's a one-pound weight, a five-pound weight. Move your body, increase your muscle mass somehow so that your body can actually then avoid developing insulin resistance. It doesn't matter what shape you're in. If you put on more muscle, you're going to have lower insulin resistance. Every medical doctor should tell every diabetic patient to get into the gym.
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So get to moving. I think that is good advice for everyone. And I know Thomas Jefferson recommended walking. There's a very successful businessman out here in Florida. Colorado founder of American Furniture Warehouse, Jake Jabs. He's in his 90s. He says he walks every day, walks several miles every day. Just yeah, just move a little bit. You might even go into the pantry. I've been doing this and grabbing a couple of jars of pasta sauce and doing some curls. And I can tell that that's even helping Dr. Jack.
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Yeah, absolutely. Walking is great. However, remember that human beings were migratory, you know, were migratory for the most of our or hunters and gatherers for most of our history. And so we are very efficient walkers. We basically, walking is about the same as sitting on a chair in reality in terms of its muscle building capacity. But if you want to actually build muscle, hitting the gym and having the wherewithal to do it two or three times a week You don't have to become a super muscle man type thing. One, two, three, four pounds, 20 reps, do everything that you can do in the gym, and you'll be amazed at what happens to your blood sugar levels. And because you end up burning sugar when you are sitting down, muscles will help you burn sugar. Okay.
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Check out our website. That is kimmunson.com. Sign up for our weekly email newsletter. You can email me at kim at kimmunson.com as well. Thank you to all of you who support us. We're an independent voice, and we search for truth and clarity by looking at these issues through the lens of freedom versus force, force versus freedom. If something's a good idea, you should not have to force people to do it. And as you all know, one of the nonprofits I dearly love is the Center for American Values, which is located in Pueblo. They're nonpartisan. They're nonpolitical. They just focus on these values of honor, integrity, and patriotism through their educational programs, their on values presentations. and honoring our Medal of Honor recipients. It should be on your bucket list to get down to the Center for American Values, and you can get more information by going to AmericanValueCenter.org. That is AmericanValueCenter.org. I'm talking with Dr. James Linesweiler, and Dr. Jack is the founder of IPAC, which is the Institute for Pure and Applied Knowledge. That happened before COVID. During COVID, he founded this great IPAC-EDU.org. Great instructors coming together with those of us that are intellectually curious and at a very affordable price, creating these great courses on a variety of different things. We had talked about in the first segment his class on power and social change, and it's not too late to sign up for that at IPAC-EDU.org. And the phone number's on there if you have questions as well. Dr. Jack, I am questioning this whole thing regarding measles. It seems like that's been the go-to narrative for those that want to have forced vaccinations on our kids is measles. And there's stories or there's headlines out there that two children have died from measles. That puts the fear of God basically in parents' hearts. What can parents do, perhaps, with their children to maybe prevent measles or help make it be a milder case? And I'm going to date myself. I had measles, mumps, and chickenpox as a child. So I have all this natural immunity to all of this stuff, Dr. Jack.
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Yeah, well, that's wonderful, and congratulations. That's important. First, I want to say this idea that measles is a deadly disease. You know, they're amplifying the deaths to try to use fear to encourage vaccination. Well, we know where that ended up with SARS-CoV-2, you know, COVID, it backfired. They don't also then tell you about the deaths that are present in the VAERS database ever. There's hundreds of deaths over, you know, the past, say, 10 or 20 years. children that have had adverse reactions, and that's going to be debated. There's going to say, well, there's no proof that those vaccines caused the death. But it's really funny, you know, if someone has evidence of a measles virus infection or any virus infection, for that matter, causality is assumed with very little other evidence. If If somebody says, well, my child had the vaccine, they were fine before, and then they died, all of a sudden the great sliding scale of evidence demands that you have to basically be able to write a treatise that is worthy of a Nobel Prize to prove causality and the great sliding scale of evidence. You see, the deaths from measles had actually dropped approximately 13 per 100,000 in 1900 to about 0.2 per 100,000 by 1960 before the vaccine came on board. And that was due to increased sanitation, refrigeration, medical care, general nutrition. And so, you know, taking a look at the risk benefit of this, even the CDC website claimed, reported that the vaccines often get too much credit for reducing infection. What vaccines do is, like I said in the earlier segment, you'll get a measles infection. It might be asymptomatic, just like the chickenpox. There's a lot of kids that get chickenpox, but they only have a single pock. It might be on their scalp, and they have asymptomatic chickenpox. So the vaccine is pretty good at helping reduce severity of the symptoms, but you have to be vaccinated first. I think it's a mistake for doctors to try to vaccinate a child who's being who has measles. Second, the data on hospitalization are amplified. The number of cases is really low, but they're hospitalizing kids for the sake of isolating them, which is not a standard of care, and you think about it, it's dangerous. It's dangerous to bring children to a hospital if they have an active measles infection. They might spread it to the staff or to other children who are immunocompromised. It's quite remarkable that they're using hospitals this way um and it makes you wonder why why they want to do that but you're right natural infection induces you know robust lifelong immunity i'm not saying that people should throw measles parties again but you know say that there's a benefit to having measles in fact uh there's a good amount of science that shows that that children who um are vaccinated but who get and people who are vaccinated but get measles subclinical measles can still transmit and that transmission then can provide natural subclinical boosting so you know the reality is that keeping kids out of school because they're not vaccinated as if they're the only ones that can possibly transmit that is just absolutely not based on science there's no scientific basis for that it's just another point of coercion so with asymptomatic flips the narrative that way but what can children what can children experience that would reduce their risk of serious measles infection i would say that the science is pretty strong that they should have a well-balanced diet they should take their vitamins contrary to what peter hotez says vitamins do matter in terms of health as to cofactors and minerals. And just citing science here, not giving medical advice, but elderberry seems to help. Grapeseed oil can help. Cod liver oil seems to help. Sorry, doctors working with Robert F. Kennedy Jr. have informed him that aerosolized budesonide can help. And so, yeah, there are things that people can do, and I would encourage them to talk with their doctor, especially if – find a naturopathic doctor. And, you know, take their time to do a little bit of research on this. And don't do anything crazy. Just follow the advice of people who – No, what will help mitigate the severity of it, there are some ways of reducing fever that do not involve acetaminophen. Acetaminophen is a bad idea. It actually depletes glutathione in the blood. It's an over-the-counter, so you don't need a script for it. But even Paul Offit from Children's Hospital, when he finally saw the data on the association between having a A high fever treated by acetaminophen after the MMR shot said maybe we're treating post-vaccination fever too aggressively. So, yeah, you can take a look at herbal remedies for fever, not just from, you know, an herbalist book, but talk to your naturopathic doctor who has clinical experience with these things. And they'll take your telemedicine is legal now, still legal. So they'll take your case by phone. They don't have to bring the kid with measles to the doctor's office. And, yeah, so I would say the more informed you are as a parent as well, the better off your child will be. And, yeah, talk to other parents and see how it's going for them.
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Well, and we've got just a little bit of time on this. We interviewed, now that we're prerecording for this particular show, last week we talked with a couple of – Let's see, a holopathic nutritionist. Hopefully I'm saying that correctly. And out here in Colorado, there is a piece of legislation. It has bipartisan sponsorship on it that basically would require licensure for – it's holistic. That's what it is, holistic nutritionists. And that you would have to have a license, such as a dietician, to – to basically give advice regarding nutrition. And it is punishable if you give that advice via penalties of misdemeanor and jail time. And so we are shedding light on this because this licensure is i don't think necessary but when we had two of these holistic nutritionists on they said that there was legislation like this in eight other states as well and uh so i'm i'm very concerned about that uh dr jack and i know i'm just kind of throwing this out at you you weren't aware of it but i'm very concerned about this piece of legislation
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Well, doesn't that mean that nutrition is a very fundamental part of our health and we're over the target when we talk about making sure you have proper nutrition and what proper nutrition is. You know, the FDA is under new leadership and we're going to see some moms who are fed up with, you know, the old food pyramid, really petitioning, working and maybe going in and getting office positions in the FDA to help reconstruct the dietary plan for all of America. So listen, there's all this argument and debate about what's the right diet. There isn't a right diet. There's a right diet for the same people at different times, and there's a right diet for different people at the same time. And so talking to a nutritionist is a good idea, but if they follow the FDA guidelines, you're going to be eating far too many carbs. You're not going to have the bulk of what we know is what our bodies need. You have to have oils, healthy oils. You have to have Protein from meat. You have to have vegetables for vitamins and cofactors. We really don't want simplified carbs like rice and potatoes and sugars. We don't want white bread. We try to eat complex carbs. It's fine, but they shouldn't be organic. The fact is you're going to see that glyphosate and other pesticides are probably key to a lot of the chronic illness that we see, a lot of the problems that we see neurodevelopmentally as well as immunologically. And people go over to Italy and they eat food over there that they can't eat in the United States and they don't feel like garbage after eating them. Well, that's the pesticides and the dyes and the artificial chemicals. There's 85 pesticides that are banned in Europe that are not banned in the United States. And that issue is going to be taken head on by organizations like Moms Across America. Okay. By the FDA and under Bobby's leadership, we're going to see great discussions about this and great action, I think.
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Well, stay tuned on this. And I wonder if that's why we're seeing some of this legislation at these local levels. And we're going to go to break. I'm talking with Dr. James Lyons-Weiler. We're pre-recording the show for Holy Week. And the show comes to you because of our amazing sponsors. For everything mortgages, reach out to Lauren Levy.
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Yeah, there's a growing body of scientific evidence that shows that the toxicity in terms of adverse events and deaths following the COVID-19 vaccines is highest, about seven-fold higher. in the third dose than in the prior doses, which doesn't make any sense whatsoever. Usually you would think that, you know, the first and second dose would take out the people that, you know, were susceptible, so they would stop vaccinating or die. And this is bad. This means that people that came through dose one and dose two, you know, the series of double doses, really, boosters, they have seven times the risk of a serious adverse event or death, including cancers and things like that, following the third dose. of mRNA-based vaccines. So we're looking at excess mortality. Everybody sees the data. For some reason, post-COVID, there's excess mortality. In April of 2020, I predicted that this kind of thing could happen because of pathogenic priming. The more exposure you have to the spike protein, the more likely it is that your body's going to die. suffer the consequences of that exposure, whether it's due to infection or due to injection. Since we know the vaccine doesn't protect you against getting infected again, you're simply repeatedly exposing yourself to spike protein from both sources, infection and injection. And so taking a really good look at the data here, using the data from Thailand's Ministry of Public Health, Dr. Michael Northcott recently published a preprint They showed that there's correlations among all age groups of excess higher deaths, particularly those age 15 to 59. And the association that is the correlation is very strong. And the more vaccinated provinces have higher, excuse me, higher all cause mortality. So that's just one study. But there are there are other studies and other reports that cause us to take pause on the medical ethics about what's going on here. You know, regardless of which part of the country or the world that people are looking at, Australia, New Zealand, Thailand, Europe, we see that the larger the number of doses a person has, the more likely they are to have death from any cause. And, you know, this is not just a correlation. 30% of breakthrough infections followed the third or the fourth dose, according to a study that we published in my journal, Science, Public Health Policy, and the Law. And that was by Dr. Jessica Rose. This virus and this vaccine have a particularly nasty effect on our immune system, the spike protein in particular. I want to talk about the toxicity of the spike protein. Since you can't escape the toxicity of the spike protein by vaccinating, you're really just repeatedly exposing yourself to one of the most potent toxicants, the spike protein, that the world has ever seen. And remember, it's most likely, almost certainly, as I concluded in January of 2020, first scientist in North America to say it, second scientist in the world, the first scientist was in Italy. This virus came from the lab. So we're looking at possible repeated exposure to something that was studied as a potential bioweapon, even if it's in a response program where people were developing it out of concern about whether we could protect people from it with a vaccine or not. All data sources are pointing to this. So Jessica Rose has papers that are studied. Jibo has a paper that was published and retracted from Japan. Nick Holscher and Peter McCullough have found autopsy findings. The highest rate of deaths follow, you know, in autopsies is third dose. So the more boosters, the more death and the more disease. And now we have... Cleveland Clinic data from 2023 showed that the most serious events happened after the third dose. And so the data now from Thailand are just another, hopefully, nail in the coffin of the vaccine. And so from all around the world, we see all kinds of data pointing this out. But if you see no explanation of excess mortality, other than... exposure to the spike protein, then why in the world would anybody want to expose themselves willfully to the spike protein? You know, when we have protocols for recovery from spike that, you know, can be very helpful. So I'm going to be publishing this article this week, and the look for pathogenic priming is real, and it is killing people. By any measure, boosters are a threat to public health.
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Okay, and they can find that at Popular Rationalism on Substack?
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Yes, ocularationalism.substack.com.
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Okay, Dr. Jack, thank you so much. I wish you and yours a very happy Easter, and thank you for making this interview happen.
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Happy Easter, and I hope everyone finds blessings in every day.
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And welcome to our number two of the Kim Munson Show. Be sure and check out our website. That is KimMunson, M-O-N-S-O-N.com. Sign up for our weekly email newsletter. You can email me at Kim at KimMunson.com as well. Thank you to all of you who support us. We're an independent voice, and we search for truth and clarity by looking at these issues through the lens of freedom versus force, force versus freedom. If something's a good idea, you should not have to force people to do it. I want to say thank you to the team I get to work with. That's Producer Joe, Luke, Rachel, Zach, Echo, Charlie, Mike, Teresa, Amanda. Thank you so much for having me. We are pre-recording for this week, for most of the days here of Holy Week of Easter. And our regular guest, second hour on Wednesdays, is Trent Luce. And you know him, sixth generation farmer and rancher, hails from Nebraska. And as you and I both agree, we don't want hail to occur in Nebraska. You just hail from Nebraska, Trent Luce.
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Did you say we've already done an hour? I don't remember doing an hour just before this. Are you sure? Are you sure this is the second hour?
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This is the second hour. I prerecorded the first hour earlier today with a friend of yours, Dr. James Linesweiler.
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Oh, I haven't seen Jack for a long time. And I wonder, too, are you trying out for like a remake of MASH or something? You go through that Echo Charlie thing so fast, it's like you're talking on a radio in South Korea.
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I sound like Radar, huh?
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You do sound like Radar. You don't look like Radar, but your tendencies are kind of like Radar. Echo Charlie.
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I know. But that is actually the names of all these people that I work with, which is pretty amazing. And so Trent Luce, we're going to talk about something that maybe I don't understand. It's a bit out of my comfort zone. We talked a little bit about it this last week. And it precipitated from something that you brought up regarding the Maude family, which is apparently a couple. They're in their 30s. They've been farming 25 acres. The family's been farming them that acreage for since like 1952. And now what the forest department says that that's not their land and they want to put them in jail. Am I getting the gist of this correct? Yes.
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You got the gist 100%. The only thing that I want to add is that this stems back to last fall. So I got my first phone call. I believe it was August. And so this did not just happen, but the indictment occurred last fall. And it's clear to say that this was not under the current administration. It was under the last administration. But because there's a trial is set to start, it's getting a renewed attention and, uh, Fortunately, more people are putting some sunlight on what's really going on here.
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Well, and so for people that haven't heard, let's go ahead and set this up of what we talked about last week.
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The Maude family, and we're talking right now about Charles and Heather, have been farming. Charles' family has been farming in Custer County area. The Badlands, right on the south side of the Badlands of South Dakota, and that ranges over west towards Custer State Park. It is in Custer County. And last spring, someone, this is the reported story, a hunter saw that there was a fence out of place and that the mods were farming 25 acres that wasn't rightfully theirs. They reported it to the U.S. Forest Service. The Forest Service said... that you are farming land that is actually belonging to the U.S. Forest Service, not to you. And they had not moved a fence. The fence had been there since 1952. And the family's been doing this, been farming and grazing. And immediately, Charles, once he was notified of this, he said, well, tell me what to do. We'll fix it. They did not give them any grace whatsoever. They said, we're not going to tell you what to do. We're going to come and arrest you. And he and his wife, Heather, were both indicted on separate charges so that they have to defend each other separately. And as I mentioned earlier, this has now come to a head where the trial is set to start this week. And so where it's going to go from here, we don't really know. But that really brings back this whole What we call the checkerboard, you know, Kim, we've been talking more lately about the land that is owned by the federal government compared to the land that is owned by the individual citizens of this country through what we call deeded property. Thirty three percent, one in three acres is owned either by federal or state government. The breakdown is actually twenty eight point four percent is owned by the federal government. The balance of four point eight percent is owned by four point six percent is owned by deeded property and individual owners. And that has led us to this point where there's a lot of uncertainty. Now, I can tell you in the past week, I've been very proud to be a part of a group with many South Dakota state legislators who are bringing this to the attention of the federal government and Senator John Thune, Senator Mike Rounds. Senator Mike Rounds, former governor of South Dakota, has been the only federal representative of the state of South Dakota that has stepped up to do anything. And so we're in a position where this family is 40 years old, two young children continuing to do what it is they do, take care of land and livestock to improve opportunity for a life of human beings, producing food and fiber, are now facing charges of stealing property.
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So, Trent. Federal charges. Federal charges. I have to ask this. It doesn't seem reasonable that this could escalate from Hunter reports, goes to the Forest Service, Forest Service, that the mods, a couple that they say, what can we do? And they immediately go to arrest you. That's pretty daunting. There wasn't any – I mean, I could see how emotions could get pretty whipped up on this. So was there any emotions between the Maude family and the Forest Service that would escalate this to this point?
SPEAKER 06 :
Zero. Really? And, Kim, because I've been in this trench for 25 years, this is – it's rare – But it's not uncommon. I've personally dealt with six situations similar to this. The very first one was a gentleman by the name of Kit Laney in New Mexico. And he had almost identical situation take place. They ended up putting Kit Laney in prison, a rancher in New Mexico, because they came to round up his cattle and get him off of the federal land that he said he had no right to. He had proof that it was his land. as part of a lease with the U.S. Forest Service. They arrested Kit Laney and put him in prison for threatening an officer with a deadly weapon. You know what that weapon was?
SPEAKER 12 :
A shovel? What?
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Spurs on his boots. Anybody can go look this up. And this was like my first introduction to what was really taking place. And then probably the most prominent individual who took the federal government on in terms of the leases they had for the land, was Wayne Hage in Nevada, the late Wayne Hage. By the way, Kit Laney served his time in prison, then he just was so fed up with it, he moved to Brazil. I think he's moved back to New Mexico. Wayne Hage has a son and daughters who continue the fight, and they were fighting the federal government, but his ranch is now no longer in the family, generational ranch. The one that I was also personally involved with, on a daily basis for two years, happened to the Hammond family in Oregon, in Harney County, Oregon. And it became a public, the public became aware of what had happened to the Hammond family because on my Monday radio program called Rural Route Radio, for the past 19 years, I've had Hank Vogler on the air with me. Hank Vogler, we talk about these issues all the time and how this is just commonplace. If you're dealing with the federal government, they try to squash you and put you down. Do I need to pause, Kim?
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Yeah, let's do pause. I'm talking with Trent Luce, and this is about farmers and ranchers and their dealings with the federal government and land that they may have leases to. They've been farming for a while, and this is of great concern because we're hearing the word fines and prison issues. And so we need to unpack this even more. We're doing this and we get to do this because of our great sponsors. One of those is the Roger Mangan State Farm Insurance Team. And Roger knows there are a lot of unknowns, obviously, that could keep you up at night. But your insurance coverage should not be one of those. So give them a call at 303-795-8855. Like a good neighbor, the Roger Mangan team is there. And it is Holy Week, which is springtime, Passover. So many things are occurring right now. We are pre-recording most of the shows for this week. And I'm so pleased to have on the line with me one of our great sponsors of both the Kim Munson Show and America's Veterans Stories. And that is Lauren Levy. Lauren Levy, welcome to the show. Hey, good morning, Kim. It's good to have you. And Lauren, we've become friends over all these years. And the service that you provide for your clients is above and beyond as what I see. And you strive for excellence in the mortgage arena. There's so much going on out there for people. And I think there are people that are looking maybe for a new home or maybe a reverse mortgage with all the crazy stuff that's going on. And I look at this time as new beginnings, new ways to address challenges in our family, a new home, new mortgage, all those things. And you really are great about helping people with that.
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Okay. And... Lauren, it seems like I saw a report recently that inflation was cooling. Am I dreaming that or did I see that kind of a report recently?
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Yeah, I think we just saw we've seen a couple. We've seen like PPI and CPI numbers just the last couple of days, even this morning. And I think part of it is that. it is cooling. And the question is always Kim is why? And so you'd want it to happen naturally just with a good economy, but price is still coming down versus the question is, is it happening for that? Is it happening? Cause people are nervous with what's going on with the market uncertainty, the whole tariff issue, uncertainty about their job, things like that. And so we are seeing a little pullback in the, uh, inflation numbers, but we're also starting to see some people say, you know, are we heading to a recession now or not? And that's the question, right? Why are things doing what they're doing?
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It seems like people can't be happy. But I know it's a little rocky. It's a little tenuous, as you mentioned, untenable in some ways. But I really feel positive about this. And so what do you think about that, Lorne?
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And welcome back to the Kim Munson Show. Be sure and check out our website. That is Kim Munson, M-O-N-S-O-N dot com. Sign up for our weekly email newsletter. You can email me at Kim at Kim Munson dot com as well. Thank you to all of you who support us. We're an independent voice and we search for truth and clarity. by looking at these issues through the lens of freedom versus force, force versus freedom. If something's a good idea, you should not have to force people to do it. And the show comes to you because of our sponsors. And I want to say thank you to Laramie Energy for their goal sponsorship of the show, because it's reliable, efficient, affordable and abundant energy sources from oil, natural gas and coal that powers our lives, fuels our hopes and dreams and empowers us to change our own personal climate. And talking with Trent Liu, sixth-generation farmer and rancher, And so much of the land in the West is owned by the federal government. A lot of it's owned by the state government. We actually see that there are counties and municipalities that own land. I don't really think that's the proper role of government. But we're talking about federal land that has been leased to farmers or ranchers. And there seems to be then... I don't know, a misunderstanding. How can this mix-up occur where then individual citizens are being fined and sent to prison? How can that happen, Trent Luce?
SPEAKER 06 :
Well, come back to it and finish my thought. Much of this is a result of what we call the checkerboard effect, where you have one section that is deeded property, another section right next to it, and a section of 640 acres one mile by one mile. You go between this land that you have a lease on, and most of these leases on federal land are tied to, it's a permit, not a lease. Let me correct myself. It's a permit, not a lease. They're tied to vested water rights. Because the truth of the matter is, back in the day when the Homestead Act was put into play, the land we're talking about here that the federal government ultimately owns, which is, by the way, unconstitutional. You said you don't think it's a good idea. It's unconstitutional. But anybody who would lay claim to that and develop the water was then given title to use the property. And it's very convoluted unless you look at it that way, because you literally own the property rights on the grass, but you don't own the dirt. But you own the right to the water because you have a vested water right. And in most of the cases, that's what we're talking about in that discrepancy. But it becomes cloudy because you could be grazing 2,000 acres. And within that 2,000 acres, you could have a couple of sections which are owned by the U.S. Forest Service, which is part of the Department of Agriculture. And you could have deeded property. And then to really make matters even more confusing, you could have Bureau of Land Management land. in the same area which is part of the Department of Interior and the Department of Interior do not communicate with the folks at the Department of Agriculture and in Nevada it's in the USDA handbook that says a government entity cannot own livestock on a permit and yet one of the largest livestock owners today is Southern Nevada Water Authority who is confiscating these permits so that they can get the vested water rights from people like Dean Baker, if you want to go search what Dean Baker lived through in Nevada, because we had this infinite wisdom of building this great big metropolitan area in the middle of a desert called Las Vegas. And so if you've got a million people in a desert, what do you need? You need water. So they come and, in many cases, you will remember – The Clive and Bundy situation, right?
SPEAKER 12 :
I do. I remember the headlines.
SPEAKER 06 :
This is what it's all about. Right here, this is exactly what we're talking about. And what they did to Clive and Bundy was they would go into his allotments and they would try to identify a particular endangered species turtle so that they would remove him from his allotments so that they could take his water to Las Vegas. That, in a nutshell, is what that was all about. Hmm. So... Fast forward to the one that I'm personally involved with up to my ears. In the fall of 2015, Hank Wilgler on one of my radio broadcasts says, and Trent, before we sign off here today, I want to give a shout out to my friend Dwight Hammond, who was my childhood friend. And Hank lived in a ranch in Nevada today, but he grew up in Harney County, neighboring to where the Hammonds were. And one day the families, the two families, Hank, his wife and kids, and Dwight and Susie and their kids, were at a picnic on a Sunday afternoon in Harney County, Oregon, by the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge. And Hank looked at Dwight Hammond and said, and we're talking about like 1990, okay, so let me put this in context, 1990. Hank looked at Dwight Hammond and said, hey, Dwight, you know, that water, that spring right over there, You should be able to lay claim to that. That's not government property. That's your property. So he did. And the federal government took him to court. He beat the federal government to a claim on water. And so the Bureau of Land Management had this ax to grind against the Hammond family because he set a precedent on how water rights could be acquired in modern day instead of pre-1900 water rights. Fast forward to, I believe it was about 2012. I'm going to cut out a lot of stuff, and don't hold me to the exact year, but I think it was 2012. There's a fire. Lightning hits one of the Hammond allotments. It starts a fire. Stephen Hammond calls. and says we have a fire. This is normal protocol. We have a fire. If we don't start a backfire, there's potential of losing a hay crop plus maybe a million acres of federal land to a fire. They said, yes, start the fire to do a backburn. The best way to control fires was fire. They did that. Got it out. No problem. Problem solved. Only then they came and arrested him for lighting fire to federal property. And there's a lot of things happening here, but what Hank brought to our attention in the fall of 2015 on the radio is that his friends were going to be tried for a crime that was in no way, shape, or form a crime. And because of the Patriot Act, this fire on federal land was considered an act of terrorism. And they were ultimately convicted. By a jury, and there's a lot of stories I could tell you about how this jury was put together and the judge that Obama specifically assigned to this case. So, Barack Obama specifically put a judge in on this case.
SPEAKER 12 :
There couldn't be any lawfare, could there?
SPEAKER 06 :
What do you mean?
SPEAKER 12 :
You know, this lawfare that's going on all the time with different parts of government.
SPEAKER 06 :
I have no idea that that would never happen.
SPEAKER 12 :
No, okay. Continue on.
SPEAKER 06 :
So... Okay, first of all, let me back up. I misspoke. I spoke out of turn. The original judge had to issue a sentence, and the law states that if you're convicted of an act of terrorism on federal property in violation of the Patriot Act, you have a minimum mandatory of five years. The original judge said... There is no intent. This law we're talking about with the Patriot Act does not in any way, shape or form apply here. I am not going to sentence to what they tell me that I have to do a sentence. Dwight Hammond, the father to one year and the son, Stephen Hammond, to three years. They served that time. Both of those served that time. And then when they got out, Barack Obama. brought the case, and his Department of Justice brought the case back after the two had served their time and said, these two did not serve the minimum mandatory of five years. We're going to rehear the case. Well, everybody was yelling, you can't do that. Well, they weren't retrying them for conviction. They were retrying them for sentencing. And that's when Barack Obama specifically put an appointed federal judge in there. Long story short, they sent them both Back to prison to fill the minimum mandatory five years for committing a federal act against the federal government, federal property.
SPEAKER 12 :
Did they serve that time?
SPEAKER 06 :
So that was at the end of Barack Obama's term in 2016.
SPEAKER 12 :
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I miss maybe sitting on the porch drinking ice.
SPEAKER 12 :
And welcome back to The Kim Munson Show. Check out our website. That is KimMunson, M-O-N-S-O-N.com. Sign up for our weekly email newsletter. You can email me at Kim at KimMunson.com as well. Thank you to all of you who support us. We're an independent voice and we search for truth and clarity by looking at these issues through the lens of freedom versus force, force versus freedom. If something's a good idea, you should not have to force people to do it. And do check out the Center for American Values located in Pueblo, Colorado. They are nonpartisan. They're nonpolitical. But they're focused on these foundational principles of honor, integrity, and patriotism. So more information, go to AmericanValueCenter.org. And we are prerecording for most of Holy Week this week between Palm Sunday and Easter. And Wednesday, second hour, our featured guest is Trent Liu, sixth-generation farmer and rancher. And we are talking with him about federal lands, individuals having permits for grazing, for farming. And we were talking about, let's see, now which family is it? This was the Hammond family. Okay. And the father had, they were convicted of, they did a backburn. But they were convicted under the Patriot Act, which I will just make a comment. When the Patriot Act was proposed, Trent Luce, I looked at it and I wasn't real involved in politics at the time. But I thought, hmm, I don't know that I think this is a great, great idea. But it was sold to us as to protect the American people. But what we have found is it really opened up more and more government watching us. And I didn't even know about this terrorism thing. So the Hammonds, the father and the son, were convicted of this backburn. They said that it was a terrorist act. And there was minimum sentencing of five years. The judge, the initial judge, said, well, that doesn't make sense. Gave the father one year, the son three years. And then when Barack Obama was in office, gosh, you talk about, I think, wanting to be so onerous on this, brought them back for more sentencing. Am I getting that all correct?
SPEAKER 06 :
You got that all right, except the whole thing in terms of the court system happened during the Obama two terms.
SPEAKER 12 :
Okay, Obama two terms.
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So he was president for the entire time of what we've talked about so far. So then January 2nd, 2016, is the day they were to report back to prison, and they ended up going to Terminal Island outside of San Francisco. That's where they spent the next couple of years. But we already talked about Bundy's. Ammon Bundy, his brother Ryan Bundy, and LaVoy Finnegan, The town of Burns, Oregon, in Harney County, had a parade. They literally had a parade bringing awareness to this atrocity that was committed. And I also want to include a major failure in this case was the Harney County sheriff. He had the opportunity to take a stand and protect the citizens of his county as a constitutional sheriff would, and he failed to do so. And that was always a burr under a lot of people's saddle. But there was a parade. On that weekend, on Saturday, and on Sunday morning, a group of 12 individuals went to Malheur National Wildlife Refuge, which is about 35 miles from Burns, the town itself. And they went there to occupy that refuge until the Hammonds were released and the justice was actually served. That was on Sunday that that occurred. On Wednesday, I got a phone call. And they said, and this was starting to be news. You couldn't really get a lot about it, but I knew about it because I was wired in. And I was the reason people knew about the Hamlins to begin with, not because of me, but because of Hank Wilger and my program. But I got a call from a guy named Tim Smith, who's still a friend today. They had put together a committee, a Harney County Committee for Safety Committee. And the Committee for Safety was like an extension of local government trying to help and bring about constitutional rights to the citizens of Harney County. And they said, Trent, we want you to emcee an event that we are going to bring to the forefront. He said, we've had six venues turn us down. We found a place that will host the event because nobody wanted any attention. Nobody wanted to be perceived as taking on the federal government. I said, I'll be there. You tell me when, and I'll be there. And so I got to Burns, checked into a hotel. And by the way, I then partnered with Protect the Harvest to walk through everything that we were doing. So from this moment on, I'm working individually, but partnering with the folks at Protect the Harvest who, full circle, brought you and I together, which is why I wanted to include that. This is the most interesting meeting that I've been a part of in my life, Kim. We had what I would estimate to be 400 people present in this room. 200 of the people, these are general terms, 200 of the people are locals. They're all packing a pistol on their hip. The other 200 people are media. I've never in my life seen so many media folks in one room. You name a media outlet anywhere in the world, from Tokyo to London to Los Angeles, they were present in that room. And as the emcee, my job was to make sure that, and this is how I started the meeting, I said my job is to make sure that we have a productive environment. You can be as passionate and as convicted as you want to be. You will not be rude. You will say what you have to say. I'm going to have my clock on you. You have five minutes. I'm cutting you off no matter where you're at in your discussion. But we are going to have a true community meeting, and you're going to get the opportunity to say what you want to say. For two and a half hours, I moderated this meeting, and I had people one at a time come up, and they would speak for five minutes, and I'd cut them off. And at the end of this meeting, virtually every single person who spoke said the same exact thing in their own way, in their own words. They all said, we have no concern about what is happening at Malheur National Wildlife Refuge. Our concern, and I say that because all the media at this time, including NPR and the national media, was talking about how these guys have occupied Malheur National Wildlife Refuge and they're causing a threat to the people of Burns and the people of Burns want them to go home. And instead, the meeting that I emceed, every single person, every single person said, we have no concern about what is happening at this refuge with Hammond Bundy, Ryan Bundy, and LaVoy Finnegan. We're very concerned about what the federal government is doing to our town. They were terrorizing the school. They were terrorizing businesses in the community. They were causing the problems. I did interviews with people who were the FBI was setting up a check, a checkpoint. I interviewed one 75-year-old lady who almost had a complete anxiety attack when they stopped her, searched her vehicle, searched her. It was unbelievable what they were doing to these people of Harney County. And so the next morning, I went to the refuge. But before I went to the refuge, I couldn't wait to get my laptop out and open up and to see how the media reported this particular event that I just had emceed the night before. I'll never forget it. The first story I found was the Los Angeles Times. Los Angeles Times story went something like this. There was a meeting, a town hall meeting last night in Burns, Oregon, about the occupation of Maui National Wildlife Refuge. The folks of Burns, Oregon, are fed up with what is happening at that refuge. They wish for Ammon Bundy to go home. Not one person said that in that meeting, Kim. So then I started looking at other media, all of them. It was like there was one story written, and then all these media sources shared it. They all said the same thing, and it was a blatant lie. I emceed the meeting. That is not what happened. There was one guy who was an independent journalist who got a hold of me, and he said, I don't know what just happened. I've been watching what everybody else has reported. That's not what happened at that meeting. It was a very good education for me, and they will print. The article was already written before the meeting actually occurred. So the next day, I go out and I spend most of the day at the refuge. I did an interview. You can still find this interview with Ammon Bundy that first week. I had a good conversation with LaVoy Finicum, Ryan Bundy, the whole ball of wax. I fully understand what was going on. I went and talked to local neighbors, and everybody was unanimous. We just want one thing. We want the Hammonds to be released. They're unjustly in prison. A lot of things happened. I came home. I was speaking in Atlanta, Georgia, and I told you last week, and I so clearly remember, I was at dinner with a friend, Chris Schutze. I got a phone call from Dave Duquette, who was with Protect the Harvest. It was January 26, 2016, and Dave said, Trent, they got LaVoye. And so I turned on my television, and there was the sheriff of Grant County, Oregon, which is the neighboring county. These guys were in a car going to a meeting in the neighboring county, and what was posed is that they're going to the neighboring county because Grant County, and you can find keywords about this, Grant County is a UN-free county, so if they can just go have a meeting in Grant County, and explain this to the sheriff of Grant County, who actually now has become a friend of mine, everything will be okay. Well, you have a video, and anybody can watch this. There was a helicopter following the cars, car had a pickup, headed to that meeting. LaVoy Finnegan was driving his pickup. And it's very clear to see in this video, if you really know what happened, LaVoy got out, kind of lost his temper because they were putting a roadblock on him. There was a specific spot where they had planned to stop them and ambush them. And all of a sudden, and everybody knew, Lavoie kept a firearm in a holster underneath of his left shoulder. He had a shoulder holster. He kept it right there. You can see that there was a rubber bullet that came and hit Lavoie right about his shoulder. He reached for his shoulder. The minute he reached for his shoulder, he was murdered on the spot right there. That's all on the video that you can watch. And then also I shared with you, Kim, the Shauna Cox video. She was videoing inside that pickup, and you can hear the shots dinging on that pickup left and right. That pickup was confiscated and never returned to the Finnegan family. And I've been very close to the Finnegan family. Jeanette Finnegan, his widow, has been fantastic. He's got daughters and son. It's all daughters. And that situation is sacrificing a guy. And the governor, Kate Brown, had actually said, there's a virus in Harney County. We need to eliminate the virus. Two days later, LaVoy Penicum was killed.
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So this sounds like stuff from a movie. And so as a novice on this, it would appear that he was shot with a rubber bullet. He reaches for that because it hurts. And because he has a holster underneath his arm, that would give whoever shot at him saying, oh, my gosh, this was he was going to draw his firearm. Hence, this shooting him would be warranted. Am I am I am I connecting the dot?
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Correct. You're exactly right. There's one other thing that I want to add before we go to this break. And this was a telltale sign for me and has shaped me forever. There were 27 people arrested that day because when this all went down and LaVoy was murdered, the FBI alongside the Oregon State Patrol went into the headquarters and they arrested 27 people. After the trial, we'll talk about the trial, but what I want to get out here before we go to this break is that 15 of the 27 that were in that compound were actually undercover detectives. or informants for the FBI.
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And welcome back to The Kim Munson Show. Be sure and check out our website. That is KimMunson, M-O-N-S-O-N.com. Sign up for our weekly email newsletter. You can email me at Kim at KimMunson.com as well. Thank you to all of you who support us. We're an independent voice and we search for truth and clarity by looking at these issues through the lens of freedom versus force, force versus freedom. Something's a good idea. You shouldn't have to force people to do it. And did want to mention the USMC Memorial Foundation. As they are raising money for the remodel of the Marine Memorial, which is located right here in Golden, Colorado, you can help them by going to usmcmemorialfoundation.org. Talking with Trent Luce about some things that happened in 2016 in Oregon. The real pressure point seems to be the federal government permitting for grazing and for farming. Trent has had experience in this arena. And so I have to tell you, Trin, I've always been a little uncomfortable with these stories, although as we fast forward through our recent history, it seems to raise more questions for me, for sure, because I was watching these headlines. I guess that's what I should say. I was watching these headlines, and I was uncomfortable with what the headlines were saying about these people in Oregon.
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I was really uncomfortable with what they were saying because I was there. I knew it was a blatant lie. So let me give you another reason to be uncomfortable. Burns, Oregon, which I talked about, I just looked at a population, 2,700. So it's less than 3,000 people. When they shot LaVoy and actually Ryan Bundy in the pickup was shot as well. They took Ryan Bundy and LaVoy's body to the Burns, Oregon hospital that night. It happened, it was about dusk. I believe it was about 5.30. They took them to the hospital that night. We later learned in the next six months, I'm doing a six-month time frame here. The guy, there was a guy who lived in a cabin within a quarter of a mile where this shooting took place on this highway. on the edge of Harney County, Grant County line. I've been to this spot. And the guy who lived closest in a log cabin committed suicide two months later. The emergency room and where the hospital in Burns, Oregon, there were three nurses that committed suicide within six months of this time frame. I wasn't taking any of that lying down. Kim, I said, number one, this is bigger towns. Maybe you have some issues with this. This is a small community and three nurses in a hospital all commit suicide within six months of this incident. So I went to work. I wanted to know who these nurses were. I actually found the father of one of these nurses because I found out he was a county commissioner in a different county in Oregon. I sent him an email, and he responded to my email point blank. He said, Mr. Luce, I know your intentions are well. I've put this behind me. I suggest you do the same.
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Okay.
SPEAKER 06 :
That was a guy whose daughter committed suicide, and without a doubt, I don't believe she committed suicide. So that particular situation occurred yesterday. In January, the last week of January, the trial, I believe it went – I think the trial, if I remember right, was in April or May. And most of the people – I've already told you that 27 were arrested. Over half of them were either informants or undercover, so they automatically just dispersed. They just disappeared. They were no longer part of the judicial system. And everybody else that did not cut a deal – and plead to some agreement. Ammon Bundy, Ryan Bundy, they all were found not guilty by the jury of their peers in Portland, Oregon. It was an extremely emotional time. But then Ammon did not get his freedom because at the same time, they had reinstated charges from his father's situation In Nevada, so they literally took him from the prison where he was found not guilty in Oregon to Nevada. They retried him for other crimes that he supposedly committed at the Bundy standoff. He, again, was found not guilty. And, I mean, there's so many things about this. I do want to share this one story because it kind of brought closure for all of us. On January, I don't believe it was the 26th, even though the incident happened January 26th, In 2016, Jeanette Finnegan, LaVoy Finnegan's widow, called me and said, Trent, we are going to have that meeting in Grant County at the Grant County Fairgrounds LaVoy was heading to, and we want you to emcee the event if you would. I said, you don't have to ask me twice, Jeanette, I'll be there. And this had a completely different feel because now we know you don't know who you can trust, who you can't trust. But we put 400 people, and there are quite a few videos of this event that are still there. It was the most patriotic Christian event that you can imagine. And I was just proud to be a part of it. And the Finnegan family displayed so much courage. And he has daughters that are now on speaking tours and talking about what actually took place. And this whole story is really about how one man is willing to take a stand for freedom. LaVoy Finnegan's Ride for Freedom. And I have a picture of him in his office on a horse because he just set the standard and example. And there's one other thing that I forgot to mention that we went through that I think is relevant to share. I interviewed so many people, Kim. I probably interviewed 50 people during this time frame and after just trying to continue to make sure everybody knew everything that was going on. Well, there was a guy in Burns, Oregon named Butch. And the day of the parade... Butch thought that it would be a fantastic idea to go with the Bundys and Lavoie Fendicum and occupy Malheur National Wildlife Refuge. And he did. And before dark, he went to Ammon. And I know this because he did an interview with me after the fact. He went home. He said, Ammon, I support your cause. I just don't feel right being here. I feel like I'm supposed to be home with my family, not with you. Ammon said, We don't think any less of you, Butch. We appreciate your support. Anything you can do, it would be fantastic. Please be safe. The next day, the FBI showed up at his house. They knew that he had left. They're monitoring everything, right? The next day, the FBI showed up at his house. I still have this interview somewhere. I can find it. I should find it. But he said, Trent, the most interesting thing, when the FBI came to my house, they spent four hours questioning me about everything that was going on that led up to me leaving and coming back here. And he said, the interesting thing about their questioning is they didn't ask me anything about Ammon Bundy or Ryan Bundy or anybody else. All they wanted to know is tell me about Lavoie Finnegan. And they would ask me question after question about Lavoie Finnegan, the guy that later they murdered.
SPEAKER 12 :
Now, those are strong statements to say that they murdered him, Trent Luce. I can tell that you feel strongly about that, but that's really a strong statement to make.
SPEAKER 06 :
When the governor issues a proclamation that there's a virus, we need to get rid of the virus. And within 48 hours, somebody's dead. But I'm willing to make that strong statement.
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Oh, boy. I think this is going to be a controversial one, Trent Luce. I appreciate it. And we're out of time. So our quote for the end of the show is from Cicero. He said this. It is not enough to acquire wisdom. It is necessary to employ it. So today, be grateful. Read great books. Think good thoughts. Listen to beautiful music. Communicate and listen well. Live honestly and authentically. Strive for high ideals. And like Superman, stand for truth, justice, and the American way. My friends, you are not alone. God bless you, and God bless America.
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Join John Rush as he delves into the controversial issue of illegal immigration and its economic implications. Through thoughtful discussion, John and his guests debunk popular myths and examine the role of automation and legal immigration in sustaining industries. This episode provides a nuanced perspective on how immigration policies impact the economy and society.
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This is Rush to Reason.
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You are going to shut your damn yapper and listen for a change because I got you pegged, sweetheart. You want to take the easy way out because you're scared. And you're scared because if you try and fail, there's only you to blame. Let me break this down for you. Life is scary. Get used to it. There are no magical fixes.
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With your host, John Rush.
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My advice to you is to do what your parents did. Get a job first. You haven't made everybody equal. You've made them the same, and there's a big difference.
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Let me tell you why you're here. You're here because you know something. What you know you can't explain, but you feel it. You've felt it your entire life, that there's something wrong with the world. You don't know what it is, but it's there. It is this feeling that has brought you to me.
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Are you crazy? Am I? Or am I so sane that you just blew your mind?
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It's Rush to Reason with your host, John Rush. Presented by Cub Creek Heating and Air Conditioning.
SPEAKER 09 :
All right, we are back. Hour number two, Rush to Reason, Denver's Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560. Myself, Andy Pate, Charlie Grimes. Okay, tax day is today. Should have talked about that with Jordan Goodman, but we had lots of other things to cover. So if you haven't gotten your return in or your payment, especially your payment, even if you're, well, I'm just going to file an extension. Remember, this is not tax advice, but I know the rules. If you owe, you still have to pay today. You don't get to file an extension and not pay. Everybody thinks, well, let's file an extension and pay then. Well, yeah, you can. Nice penalty will go along with that because they're going to penalize you for doing that. So, yeah, you can do that, but it's going to cost you money if you do that.
SPEAKER 08 :
They wouldn't do that. They love us.
SPEAKER 09 :
Oh, yeah. No, it's going to cost you.
SPEAKER 08 :
Oh, okay.
SPEAKER 09 :
A lot more than if you went and borrowed the money today to pay the taxes, by the way. Right. So I think the rule of thumb is, or the law is, you've got to pay within 10% of what you owe. So if you think you owe them $5,000, you've got to pay within, what, $4,500 or you're going to have a penalty.
SPEAKER 10 :
Yeah.
SPEAKER 09 :
So you've got to at least do some estimates on what you think you owe, and you can't even wing it. You've got to be fairly close because if you go to file in October 15th, which is what the extension would allow you to do, and you owe that $5,000 and you didn't pay it, you're going to have a penalty. I think it's 10% or more on top of that. So it's not worth doing.
SPEAKER 08 :
No, it isn't. They have enough money.
SPEAKER 09 :
Just pay them now. Get your taxes filed. You have until midnight tonight to get that done, filed, whatever you need to do. But who pays federal taxes? I thought I'd go ahead and do a little history lesson here because you always hear from the AOCs and Bernie Sanders of the world that, you know, the little guys pay everything and the big guys don't pay any. The rich need to pay more, Andy. Pay their fair share.
SPEAKER 08 :
Biggest lie probably in American history.
SPEAKER 09 :
Yep. So the bottom 20%. This is the bottom 20% of taxpayers. Okay. Pay .6 of federal taxes. 0.6 is all they pay. Right. Okay. The next 20%, so now we're up to 40%. Okay, think of it that way. So the bottom 20%, 0.6%. The second 20% pay 4%. So now 40% are paying less than 5% of the tax. Correct. Okay, continue. Correct. The middle 20% pay 9%.
SPEAKER 08 :
Oh, so the bottom 60% of earners... Are paying a grand total of 13.6%. That's correct.
SPEAKER 09 :
Wow. And then let's go one more 20%. They pay 18%. So now you've got 80% of the population almost, right?
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20, 40, 60.
SPEAKER 09 :
Well, sorry, not 80%.
SPEAKER 1 :
20, 40, 60.
SPEAKER 09 :
It is 80%.
SPEAKER 08 :
It's 80% of the population. Yeah, 20, 40, 60, 80.
SPEAKER 09 :
That's right.
SPEAKER 08 :
80% of the population, John, is paying less than 32% of the taxes. Correct.
SPEAKER 1 :
80%.
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Correct.
SPEAKER 08 :
In other words, folks, all that stuff that you're using every day and really enjoying that the government provides, someone else is paying for it properly.
SPEAKER 09 :
That's right. Go ahead. The next two groups combined, they pay the, let's see here, the 69% that's left, they pay. Okay. Right. All other taxpayers pay the rest.
SPEAKER 08 :
Yeah. And, you know, automatically when you say that, what do people assume? Well, that's because they have 69% of the wealth. Actually, no, they don't.
SPEAKER 09 :
No, they don't.
SPEAKER 08 :
It's not even close.
SPEAKER 09 :
No. No. 20% of households, the top 20%, pay 70% of the taxes, and the top 1% pay for nearly a quarter of the nation's taxes. But they don't pay enough, Andy. So the question I always have for those people that say the rich need to pay more is, okay, what's more? Define that. How much is enough for you?
SPEAKER 08 :
Right.
SPEAKER 09 :
You want them to give it all? What's your definition of enough?
SPEAKER 08 :
There isn't one.
SPEAKER 09 :
Which, by the way, they can't define. No. You're right. Dave and Thornton, go ahead.
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Yeah, I just wanted to comment on that real quick. I can't remember who it was I was listening to here recently talked about. If you went ahead and you took all the assets of all the rich in this country – and monetize it however you took their houses sold it you took their bank accounts and seized them uh that still wouldn't cover what the government spends in 30 days it would only fund the government for 30 days that's right so that would that would do nothing truly would do nothing it's the economy as a whole that works to include tariffs and everything else that that keeps the economy running and of course us doing deficit spending and borrowing That keeps the economy going. So it isn't 100% taxes. That's right. You're right.
SPEAKER 08 :
Right. And by the way, at the end of that 30 days, Dave, you would not have an employer.
SPEAKER 09 :
No. Exactly. You'd wipe out the economy doing that as well at the same time.
SPEAKER 20 :
Yeah. Exactly.
SPEAKER 09 :
Good point.
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It was something that I was told a long time ago by a man much wiser than myself. We were talking about the same subject, and he told me, hey, you know what? I've never worked for a poor man.
SPEAKER 09 :
Oh, that's a good one, Andy. Or a good one, Dave. You've never worked for a poor man. That's a good one.
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But I wanted to bring something up about Jordan. I do enjoy when you have him on, but he tends to have a lot of misinformation when it comes to the true cost of illegal immigration and how it affects the economy as a whole. This fallacy that people have about... If we don't have illegal aliens, then the crops are going to rot in the field. The fact of the matter is we don't have year-round harvesting. So that's not true.
SPEAKER 09 :
Right. You're right. Well, and I already said this to a texter earlier, Dave, as well. The other thing, too, that's happening as we speak, there's more and more automation even in the picking end of things that happens on an annual basis to where the amount of people that are needed to actually do the picking becomes less and less anyways.
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Well, there's really three disagreements I have with their entire argument. Number one, you just said it, automation. Number two, are you saying that these things never got picked before illegal immigration? Right. Yes, they did. And number three, folks, there's a thing called legal immigration. If we don't have the manpower in America to cover any kind of industry, guess what? We can let people in legally through ports of entry to fill that industry. It's not hard, guys. This is not rocket science. This idea that if we don't let people in illegally in a mass invasion, suddenly no one's going to pick the crops is ludicrous.
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It is. Absolutely.
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And, you know, to point to a more recent situation that would prove that point, let us look at the pandemic, the fake pandemic shutdown. Somehow the world didn't end with the pandemic, and we all managed to go back to work, and the economy turned itself back on.
SPEAKER 09 :
Good point.
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And it went on.
SPEAKER 09 :
Good point, Dave.
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With Americans and without illegal aliens. Somehow... The sun came up the next day.
SPEAKER 09 :
You're right. So that's a false argument. It is. And, again, like I said earlier, I love Jordan. Do we agree on everything? No. And there's some things worth battling on with him over, and some of that we've done in the past. And other times it's like, yeah, we'll move on to the next one because we're just going to have to agree to disagree.
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Yeah, no, you've got a lot of topics to cover in that short amount of time. But the other thing with that, it was a couple months back, I recall listening to him talk about how illegal immigration was a good thing because that would bring down prices because you've got this glut of labor and so forth. And that's true. But at that time, I called in and I spoke to him about that. And it was like, that's true unless you are a carpenter or a drywaller or a roofer or somebody who pours concrete. So for him, it's easy to say illegal aliens is good. unless it affects you directly, because now your wages, the jobs you're bidding, are being undercut by someone who doesn't pay insurance, who doesn't pay unemployment insurance, who doesn't pay for a workman's comp, who doesn't pay their taxes, their gas taxes, their fuel taxes, all these other things. Those costs aren't factored into that illegal alien labor. And so it's easy for folks like that to say, hey, bring them in because it's better for everybody. It makes everybody else's prices cheaper. Well, until they start coming in and they start going after accountants. And financial advisors, maybe then they'll begin to say, well, hey, hold on a second. Maybe we don't want to be doing this.
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Dave, what really angers me is this. Those businesses who employ illegal immigrants and who want that protected, The reason they want to protect it is because they want you, the taxpayer, to pay a good portion of their costs. You talk about all the ancillary costs of illegal immigrations. Obviously, they flood our schools. They flood our emergency rooms. They use our roads. They use all of our services. And we have to pay a good portion for them to use all these things. And meanwhile, this employer is getting a really cheap employee. Why are they getting a cheap employee? Because I'm helping pay their health care. They don't. I'm helping pay for their schools. They don't. I'm helping pay for a lot of things they don't. I'm helping pay the wages for their business. Hey, I got news for you. It's your business. Pay your own damn wages.
SPEAKER 20 :
Exactly. It's not incumbent on everyone else to ensure that you turn a profit. It's up to you as a business person to run your business correctly and turn your own profit. And if you're not making a profit, maybe you should go do something else. So these ancillary costs have to be factored in. It's not a black and white scenario. Not to mention the cost of the crime. Because unfortunately, none of these people are being vetted. So You're going to have a lot of bad hombres, as someone else has said, that are going to be coming into this country, and they're going to be committing those crimes here. And not only do we have those crimes happening, but we've got the victims of that crime who are being associated with that. Not just monetarily, but the emotional trauma that happens when someone you love is murdered or raped or just run over by a drunk illegal alien. You know, those costs are not being factored into when people keep advocating for all this mass immigration.
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Right.
SPEAKER 20 :
No. There's a reason we have an immigration process. Every country has an immigration process because no one has a right to just walk into anybody else's country and say, I'm going to stay here now.
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I'm here. I'm staying.
SPEAKER 20 :
Who are you and what are you coming for?
SPEAKER 09 :
That's right. You're 100% correct.
SPEAKER 20 :
Who are you and what are you coming for? We have every right to find out who you are, and if we don't like it, We have every right to say no. You can come in, but you 50 other people cannot.
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putting reason into your afternoon drive. This is John Rush.
SPEAKER 09 :
All right, we are back. John and Cheyenne, you're up. Go ahead, sir.
SPEAKER 15 :
Well, first thing, John, when you talk fair share, our media across the board, I don't care whether it's Fox News or MSNBC or Cowards, when somebody says they need to pay their fair share, they should stop and say, what percentage is that? And if they refuse to answer, they should end the interview right then and there.
SPEAKER 09 :
I agree. I agree.
SPEAKER 15 :
Because they'd love to say that, but have you ever heard, even if it's a conservative Republican that says it should be, you never hear any of them commit to what the percentage of fair share should be.
SPEAKER 08 :
John, and the second you say, oh, okay, in that case you want a flat tax for everybody with no deductions, and immediately they run for the hills. Because they know that that would mean that people who are not paying at all would have to pay.
SPEAKER 15 :
Right. And I think everybody should have something. Even if you're the lowest earner, you should have to pay $200 in federal income tax. Just something to have a little skin in the game. But to not have to pay any tax and then get money back. And there are people who do that. They get all their taxes back plus earned income credit. That is just free money. But the other thing you were talking about with taxes, John, and I'm going to ask you this, I have never understood people who go, hey, I'm getting a $3,000 refund. And then when you look at them and say, so you gave the government a $3,000 interest-free loan for the last year?
SPEAKER 09 :
Basically.
SPEAKER 15 :
And they look at you sideways. Yeah, because that's basically what it is. You overpaid if you're getting back.
SPEAKER 10 :
Yeah.
SPEAKER 15 :
And lastly, I was talking to my tax guy on Sunday. He's a family member. And he said that since the Trump tax cuts and I don't know if you knew this, he said less than 10 percent of 1040 filers. can itemize because of the increase in the standard deductions went up so much.
SPEAKER 09 :
That's right. Those numbers that he's giving you are correct. That's exactly right. And that's part of the Trump tax cuts, by the way, that I hope they revamp and change because by doing that, they gave a lot of people bigger breaks on taxes than what they frankly deserve, making them net tax receivers, not net taxpayers, and they should be paying, not receiving.
SPEAKER 08 :
Well, the Trump tax cuts dramatically increased the imbalance in who is paying the taxes.
SPEAKER 09 :
That's right. Despite what the left says... It punished the rich. That's right. Despite what the left says and what they believe, they are completely wrong, John, because what your accountant is telling you, he's exactly right, or she, or whoever it is.
SPEAKER 15 :
Him.
SPEAKER 09 :
He's right.
SPEAKER 15 :
No, and I have... Since the Trump tax cuts, I'm paying less... But I've never had enough. I like to write and send them a little bit every year instead of having them even think about sending me money back. I like to pay a little extra because I don't want them having my money for free. I don't mind paying them today. And the other thing he said, because he's seen it with his clients and he's been in the tax business for over 30 years, he said, if you can, pay by credit card. Because even if you take your check to the post office today and have it postmarked, If the IRS says they don't get it, you're going to pay the penalties and late charges. He said if you paid a little 1% or 2% convenience fee on that credit card.
SPEAKER 09 :
It's two and a half, I checked. That's the only downside.
SPEAKER 15 :
Yeah, but you have then the proof that you paid.
SPEAKER 09 :
No, that's true. Now, what I did, for those of you listening, because I won't pay online, I won't give them that satisfaction, I won't pay by credit card nor giving them that satisfaction of even collecting those fees and being paid that immediately. Yes, I mail checks. Yes, I take picture copies of those checks, date stamped, they're going out the door and so on. I basically record all of that so that, yes, John, I can go back and prove that, yes, in fact, they did go in the mail on that day.
SPEAKER 15 :
Yeah, and he said that he's had clients in the past that it was a huge fight with the IRS to get them to waive the penalties.
SPEAKER 09 :
Oh, it can be. No doubt about it. That's the risk you run, but I'm one where, and this is not against the IRS. I just hate the way my money gets spent. I'm like you. I pay. There is rarely a year that I don't have to send some check off to the state and to the feds, and my biggest complaint is I could have a bonfire and enjoy it more.
SPEAKER 15 :
Yeah, because the money's going down the money hole, as they call it.
SPEAKER 09 :
Sorry, it's just going down the crapper. You might as well flush it. You'd at least enjoy it. You'd get the swirl effect and at least get to watch it go down.
SPEAKER 15 :
Yeah, at least that, or if you set it on fire, you could at least enjoy the fire.
SPEAKER 09 :
In my case, it just goes out the door and there's nothing coming. In my opinion, I'm getting nothing in return. I know. People will call in and say, well, what about the roads and bridges and this and that and so on? Well, A, all of that's paid by my gas tax, which I'm also paying on top of the check that I already sent. What about the schools and all of that? Well, that's property taxes. That's a whole other tax I've already paid that doesn't count for what I sent in today. I mean, John, I can go down the list, so don't get me started.
SPEAKER 15 :
Uh-huh. Other than... Paying for the military, which is what the federal tax should be. Correct. They blow our money. That is right. They blow our money.
SPEAKER 09 :
You're right, John.
SPEAKER 15 :
And that's why I'm such a big fan of those right now, because at least they're pointing out where they're blowing some of this money.
SPEAKER 09 :
I am all in. And this is where, again, Jordan and I would disagree on a lot of things. You know, he gets a little upset that they're just going in and shutting down complete departments willy nilly, whatever. Yeah, I'm one that's like you could shut like two thirds of the government down and I'd be just fine with it.
SPEAKER 15 :
I would, too. It's not going to hurt my feelings. If they shut, like, we'll use that USAID. I won't call it aid because it wasn't that. As an example, you shut the whole department down, which fell under the Secretary of State and the State Department anyway, and then you say, oh, well, we should still do this. Say it's, you know, I don't know, something that's worthwhile. Well, okay, we'll just make that a small part. under the State Department. We don't need a huge government bureaucracy to do one or two good things and 100 bad. Does that make sense?
SPEAKER 09 :
Yes.
SPEAKER 15 :
So, I mean, it's tax day. I mean, we all hate it. You guys hate it.
SPEAKER 09 :
I despise it. I mean, I actually, I wake up in the morning on April the 15th in a maybe not bad mood, but I'm not in a great mood because I know those, you know, I've already made the checks. I've already got my returns done. I've got everything all dialed in. Those things are stamped ready to go. And I just look at them and I'm just irritated.
SPEAKER 08 :
Let me ask a quick question for both Johns here. I'll go to John and Cheyenne first. John, what do you think Doge and the findings of Doge have added to the mentality of Americans on this day?
SPEAKER 15 :
I'm hoping an awareness that, you know, when you do have to pay this money, that a lot of it is being wasted. That's what I'm hoping. I don't know. There are some people who are very happy with it. There are other people who think Elon Musk is the devil incarnate.
SPEAKER 09 :
Oh, geez. I mean, we've got some family members, not on the conservative side, John, but some family members that basically say, you know, watch your Social Security account and your Social Security checks because Elon and Trump are going to do everything possible to steal them. I mean, how how much of a moron do you have to be, John, to believe in that?
SPEAKER 15 :
It's unbelievable, but the gullible are out there. That's like the same. I don't know if you saw what Speaker Johnson said about the Medicare.
SPEAKER 10 :
No.
SPEAKER 15 :
I'm sorry, the Medicaid. He said nobody on Medicaid who needs it is getting cut. Right. But the 29-year-old able-bodied worker who's sitting in mom's basement playing video games, he's getting thrown off.
SPEAKER 09 :
And I'm fine with that. Good. Should be.
SPEAKER 15 :
I am fine with that, too.
SPEAKER 09 :
I mean, it's like I said earlier. I'm going to talk about this with Steve House and Dr. Kelly Victory on Thursday. But, again, the fact that a lot of states, over half the states, have extended their Medicaid program to include couples with household income of $70,000 a year, well above the minimum, by the way, John. And they also have access to employer-discounted or subsidized health insurance plans. They still are eligible to go on Medicaid, and they do because it's cheaper. That's wrong.
SPEAKER 15 :
Yeah, and that's wrong.
SPEAKER 09 :
Really quick, that goes back to Andy's comment earlier about employers with illegals and so on, and we're subsidizing those as taxpayers and so on for those workers to be there. We're doing the same thing when it comes to these individuals that are on Medicaid. Now, in this case, I'm not blaming the employer, by the way. He or she's offering a subsidized health plan. They just choose not to because it's cheaper to go on Medicaid because the limits allow them to. That needs changed.
SPEAKER 15 :
Right. And like in our case, we both have employer-offered health care. So we opt out of one and do the other.
SPEAKER 09 :
Correct.
SPEAKER 15 :
Yeah. You know, it's the family plan. But when I was opting out, And we were using hers years ago before we made a change. My company was saying, all right, well, she chopped it out. They gave me $25 extra pay period for opting out. Got it. Which was nowhere near what my copayment would have been. what their cost would have been. But because I opted out, they gave me a little bit of a bonus.
SPEAKER 09 :
Well, and the point with this for everybody listening is there's no reason why a family make an 80 grand. I'm sorry. I'll say this all day long. No reason why a family make an 80 grand that has the offer to have subsidized health care through their employer is on Medicaid. That's ridiculous. Why am I tax dollars paying for that?
SPEAKER 08 :
I know, because here they live a lifestyle. A lot of this goes back to so many people bought more house than they could afford.
SPEAKER 09 :
Or other things, Andy, they couldn't afford. They bought more of whatever than they could afford. Cars, boats, you name it, Andy.
SPEAKER 08 :
I'm sorry, but I see quote-unquote poor people with hair. that I know cost a lot of money just to have their hair done, or they're wearing expensive sneakers, and I'm looking at them and I'm saying, I don't spend nearly what you do on these things, and you've got food stamps?
SPEAKER 09 :
Andy, I'm going to go one step further. Some people might not like me saying this, but I'm going to say it anyways. You guys know me. I don't beat around the bush. Andy, I know some of those same people, to your point. They can wear designer, all the designer clothes, all the designer shoes. have all the nails done, and on top of that have tattoos that cost a fortune all over their bodies, and yet I'm paying for their Medicaid. Yeah. That's crap.
SPEAKER 15 :
That's crap. All you have to do is look at, like, Gillette, Wyoming is big on the boom and bust cycle because of the oil and the gas and the coal fields. Yeah. And when we hit a bust in fossil fuels or whatever we're calling it this week, organic fuels, And you need a boat or you need a camper or you need a 3500 truck with a gooseneck or a fifth wheel. You just need to go to those towns because those people that are making great money now, but they're financed up to the health on too much house, too much car, too much boat. Yeah. And then all of a sudden they got to sell it all because they're going to foreclose. You can get a really good deal. And is that taking advantage? Well, some people would say yes.
SPEAKER 09 :
I would say no. You're taking an opportunity.
SPEAKER 08 :
You know, look at it this way, John, and I'm looking at this. Johns, okay, it's so hard talking to both of you. It's so funny. Look at it this way. How many of these illegal immigrant families come in? For a second, set aside the fact that they're here illegally and they should go, which I believe they should. Just set that aside. How many of them live, two or three families, area, like in a small house or an apartment or whatever, and they're all crammed in there and they're living and just getting by until they can get on their feet. You see what I'm saying? How many of them are living with a lot less than a lot of Americans who are collecting food stamps?
SPEAKER 15 :
And public assistance across the board. Oh, yeah. Right. That is the biggest problem is there's no means testing anymore for They got rid of it. You remember, we're old enough to remember when Clinton did the welfare. That's right. And they means-tested people. In New York City, they did it, and they found more than half of the women that were on public assistance were working off the books jobs. And when they told them they had a report for 20 hours a week community service to get their check, they disappeared off the rolls.
SPEAKER 09 :
Imagine that.
SPEAKER 15 :
Because they – imagine that. If you just did a little bit of like a means testing or said if you want public assistance, fine. You've got to show up and help clean the parks 20 hours a week. You know, 20 hours is not a lot. Most of us work way more than that, double that or more. How many wouldn't show up? Yeah.
SPEAKER 09 :
John, that is one of the other areas that needs a complete revamp. We are spending far too much on assistance programs in this country, period.
SPEAKER 15 :
Get to work, people. To quote Glenn Beck, He said this, and he was right. When the churches gave out assistance, they know who needed a hand up or a kick in the pants. Now the government does it. They don't care. They just give it out.
SPEAKER 08 :
And he kind of made sense. Why is it so hateful to simply say this? There shouldn't be a dollar in your pocket that you didn't earn. Yeah. OK. Well, come on. As we always say, it's just so ludicrous. These people who say that people who want to keep their own more of their own money are greedy. But if you want more of their money, you're not. It just blows my mind. This has to, like John said, this has to end. This has to end. We have to have people earning the money they get, period. End of story. No more free lunch. That has to go away. You know why? Because the free lunch is burying our children and our children's children.
SPEAKER 09 :
In debt. That's right. Yeah. That's right, Andy. Come on, guys. I'll let you go.
SPEAKER 15 :
We're supposed to be nice. It's Holy Week.
SPEAKER 09 :
It's Holy Week.
SPEAKER 15 :
We're supposed to be nice.
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All right, and we are back. Rush to Reason, Denver's Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560. Joe, you're next. Go ahead.
SPEAKER 14 :
Guys, I apologize. I just tuned in, but were you talking about the Denver Gazette story I sent you? About what, Joe? About Medicaid expansion.
SPEAKER 09 :
No? Well, yeah, a little bit. I'm going to talk about it in depth on Thursday with Dr. Kelly and Steve House. But yeah, I mean, that just chimed in. I really started talking this hour about who pays their fair share, the breakdown in federal taxes from the bottom 20% all the way up to the top 1%. We went through the entire pie chart and then got off on a rabbit trail on people that are on subsidies and that are not subsidies but are on you know, food stamps, and they're on Medicaid, and they're on Section 8 housing, and, and, and, and, and.
SPEAKER 14 :
Well, I realize you're going to talk in depth on Thursday, but let me just, for those who haven't written, there's a great art at Denver Gazette. Here's what's happened. Even though Medicaid was authorized by the federal government, it's administered by the states. Right. The states partially fund it, and they get to decide.
SPEAKER 09 :
And really quick, for everybody listening, I'll stop you for a moment. Joe, in Colorado, we're way short in that department, by the way. It's one of the things they're trying to work out in the budget end of things is because it's way short because of what you just said.
SPEAKER 14 :
Right. And in states like Colorado, one of them, they've decided that if you're a couple with no kids, let's say you live in Castle Rock, You can have a household income of $5,800 a month, which is $69,000.
SPEAKER 09 :
Yeah, that part I said earlier already. Yep, $70,000.
SPEAKER 14 :
Now, even though either one or both of you have access to an employer-subsidized health plan, well, why would you do that? Well, even if most employers subsidize health plans and say, okay, we're going to take $20 a week out of your paycheck, so maybe it's $80 a month.
SPEAKER 09 :
And you've got co-pays and you've got other things and so on, and there's a cost there.
SPEAKER 14 :
Right. So there's a payroll deduction. If you go see a doctor, there's a $20 or $25 copay. Right. If you have to be hospitalized, or you can enroll in our free, zero-cost Medicaid. What are you going to do? You're going to enroll in Medicaid.
SPEAKER 09 :
Yeah, because it's free. So it's free. Quote, unquote. You know, free to you, not free to us as taxpayers.
SPEAKER 14 :
Right. So now I want to go on the Wayback Machine, 250 years ago. And I know I've read this on this show before.
SPEAKER 08 :
You were pretty young then.
SPEAKER 14 :
But Ben Franklin, 250 years ago, and here's a quote for Ben Franklin. He said, I am for doing good to the poor, but I think the best way of doing good to the poor is not making them easy in poverty, but leading or driving them out of it. I have observed that the more public provisions that were made for the poor, the less they provided for themselves, and of course became poorer as a result. And on the contrary, the less was done for them, the more they did for themselves and became richer as a result. That's right. You know, wise man, 250 years ago, and that's what's happening today.
SPEAKER 09 :
And human nature doesn't change, so it's the same then as it is today, Joe.
SPEAKER 14 :
Yeah, we make it too easy. By the way, I just heard on the news today, all the big cities have what they call public housing, which are You know, basically state run or city run ghettos.
SPEAKER 10 :
Right.
SPEAKER 14 :
The city of Philadelphia is adding seven thousand new city owned housing units. Now, figure if you figure three thousand three people per per unit. You're talking an additional 21,000 people living off the city's dime.
SPEAKER 08 :
Joe, Philadelphia is becoming the new New York.
SPEAKER 09 :
Philadelphia, by the way.
SPEAKER 08 :
Philadelphia, yeah, thank you. They're becoming the new New York. They're going to be the next place everybody just, all the rich, pull out and leave. So where are they going to get the tax base to support that?
SPEAKER 14 :
It's going to disappear and they're going to wind up. You weren't on the show, Eddie, but last week we talked about how Baltimore, once a beautiful city, is contracting. It's you know, they've lost in the past 20 years, they've lost a third of their population, all the all the businesses that could leave have left. And of course, all the people who were paying taxes, you know, all they had to do is move four or five miles to the city line. And they were in a suburb that didn't the city of Baltimore passed personal property taxes and they passed city income tax. The only people left in Baltimore are the people who didn't have the means to leave. That's what's going to happen to Philadelphia.
SPEAKER 08 :
The thing that really amazes me the most, and this is going to kind of surprise a lot of people, what amazes me the most is how many rich people in this country are really good. And what I mean is this. As long as they see people willing to work for what they get, the rich are willing to pay a lot more in taxes than their fair share. But when they find out, look, I'm paying a lot more than my fair share, and these people are just sucking it up, right, and living on public housing and getting food stamps, da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da, and staying at home with their two kids and not working, then they leave and they move to Florida. I think the rich in this country have been incredibly patient. Am I wrong?
SPEAKER 14 :
Well, some have. I think it was two years ago, 6,600 millionaires and billionaires left renounce their U.S. citizenships and left the country. By the way, just because you leave the country, if you're still a U.S. citizen, you still have to pay your federal income taxes, even though you're living in Spain or somewhere. But if you renounce your citizenship and leave like 6,600 millionaires and billionaires did two years ago, you don't. And I think if that continues, they're talking now about imposing a wealth tax. Well, Elon Musk made $100 billion in nine months. Well, The rise in the value of the stock you own is not – there's no accounting or IRS.
SPEAKER 09 :
That's an increase in your net worth. There's nothing there that went to your bank account.
SPEAKER 14 :
Right. That's not income.
SPEAKER 09 :
Right.
SPEAKER 14 :
You can't go to the grocery store and say, here's two shares of Tesla stock. You can't buy anything with that, Joe.
SPEAKER 09 :
You can borrow against it, which a lot of rich people do, but you can't do anything with it. No, you can't pay for your groceries with two shares of Tesla stock.
SPEAKER 14 :
That's right. And if they move forward with things like wealth taxes – by the way, when I tell people – And this is IRS data that the top 1% pay more in income taxes than the bottom 90% combined. 1% pays more than the entire 90% combined. They tell me I'm lying, you're crazy, you have no idea. That's a fact. The top 1% of the taxpayers in this country pay more in income taxes than the bottom 90% combined do. And yet they want to keep increasing the taxes. By the way, the Trump tax rate cuts are continuing to generate New all-time record high tax revenues. People just incorrectly assume that if you cut tax rates, you cut tax revenues. And time and time again, John Kennedy understood this. Ronald Reagan proved it. Trump is proving it. You cut tax rates and tax revenues increase. Yeah, because you spur spending. You spur economic development. That's right. The most dramatic was Reagan. Reagan cut the top tax rate by 40%, and yet tax revenues and median household income and the average hourly wage all soared as a result. Because one of the things that happened is that those cut in tax rates helped convert 16 million formerly unemployed net tax receivers into employed net taxpayers. but those on the left just assume if you cut tax rates, you're cutting tax revenues, when it's the exact opposite relationship.
SPEAKER 08 :
Yeah, I always get really angry when they say we have to pay for these tax cuts.
SPEAKER 14 :
Yeah, when your tax rate cuts generate new higher tax revenues, you don't need to make any, quote, offsetting tax cuts or program cuts.
SPEAKER 09 :
Right.
SPEAKER 14 :
So that's another fallacy that tax rate cuts have to be paid for by... cutting other social programs. No, they don't.
SPEAKER 09 :
No. Lots of mis... Well, it's purposely done, Joe, as you know. This is a tool from the Marxist left to get people to realize or to believe in something that, frankly, is just false. I mean, you can watch Bernie Sanders' AOC run around and talk about being against oligarchs, this, that, and the other, when, in fact, they should look in the mirror.
SPEAKER 14 :
Yep. And what they peddle is outrage. Yep. And they're living on outrage, and they depend on useful idiots... And, you know, the world is littered with useful idiots, and the definition of a useful idiot is those who will believe, repeat, and act on lies they are told.
SPEAKER 09 :
You know, like I said earlier, Joe, we have a family member that believes that, an older person, that believes that you really need to watch your Social Security right now because, you know, Donald Trump and Elon Musk are after it. Nothing could be farther from the truth, but yet that's what they believe.
SPEAKER 14 :
By the way, do you know that the trustees of the Social Security Trust Fund are predicting that by 2034, the trust fund will be fully depleted?
SPEAKER 10 :
Yeah.
SPEAKER 14 :
And if there are no changes made after 2034, there'll only be enough cash coming in to pay out promise benefits at the rate of 80 cents on the dollar? Yes. That should scare people. It should. We need to make changes. Nobody's stealing it. Nobody has stolen it. Nobody took it. No, there's not enough people paying into it is the problem. Yeah, because people are living when the Social Security Act went into effect.
SPEAKER 08 :
It's out of balance. This is where I disagree with Trump.
SPEAKER 09 :
Well, I mean it.
SPEAKER 14 :
We need to raise the age.
SPEAKER 09 :
Joe, go ahead. I do lots of things.
SPEAKER 14 :
Well, in 1935, when the Social Security Act became law, the average life expectancy was age 66. Right. Which means that almost half the people who paid into it never lived long enough to collect it. Now here we are, 2025, 90 years later, average life expectancy in this country is 78. It's improved by 12 years. How much has the age to collect full retirement increased? Two years. Well, if you increase life expectancy by 12 years and you only increase the age to collect full benefits by two, there's a 10-year gap in there, and that's what's happened. Right. I think I've mentioned this before. The best way to fix it is simply raise the contribution rates for both the employer and employee by half a percent, from 7.5% to 8% each, and you fix the system. But all they want to do is they want to raise the cap. They want to make billionaires pay on all their income. What they don't realize, by the way, since your benefit is paid to your contribution, the more they put in, the bigger the benefit they would get. And since it is an established fact that wealthy people tend to have longer than average lifespans, the more money they would put in would be more than offset by the massive benefit checks they would start to collect for decades after they filed for their benefits. So raising the cap really doesn't fix anything. It might help in the first couple of years, but when guys like Bezos, who was in his 50s and whatnot, start to collect, you're going to wipe out any of that short-term gain.
SPEAKER 08 :
Joe, I don't mind. I would be willing to raise a half percent on each side of the coin. I'd be willing to do that if it is coupled with raising the age.
SPEAKER 14 :
Yeah, and by the way, I think age 62 to collect even partial benefits is ridiculous.
SPEAKER 09 :
It is. We mandate everybody goes on Medicare at 65. Why don't we make that the same for Social Security, Joe?
SPEAKER 14 :
Yeah, it's funny. If you want to start collecting partial benefits, fine, 65, you can collect partial benefits. Right. But to begin collecting – now, if you're disabled – Well, that's a whole other – they have their own category anyways, Joe. That's my point. So let's say you're old, you've got bad arthritis, you're crippled, you can't walk, fine. You can go on Social Security Disability, but if you're healthy and you're age 62 – Why should you be able to collect Social Security benefits if you're a healthy 62-year-old?
SPEAKER 08 :
I turned 62 in two months. I'm healthy as a horse. I don't need benefits. It's ridiculous.
SPEAKER 14 :
So, again, if we're going to raise anything, the first thing we need to raise is. the minimum age to begin collecting any sort of non-disability benefits.
SPEAKER 09 :
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All right, one thing I'm going to slip in here before we get to the end of the hour is ex-presidents, by the way, and I get it. They're still around. They say things. Even Trump, when he was an ex, he said things. Sometimes they're just like, you know, just go away. Shut up. Obama, I don't want to hear from you. You're done. You're literally, you're done. You are out of the loop. Well, he's mad at Trump because of the way that he's cracked down on Harvard University because of anti-Semitism and so on. And Trump wants some things done at these universities to continue to get federal funding. And, of course, Barack is upset.
SPEAKER 08 :
Barack wants what? He wants us to federally fund racism? Yes, basically.
SPEAKER 09 :
Well, I don't want to. How's that? He praised Harvard's decision to resist the Trump administration's conditions for federal funding and encouraged other institutions to do the same. What are the conditions? Basically, Trump wants them to implement a mask ban. and make changes to programs and departments that fuel anti-Semitic harassment and eliminate diversity, equity, and inclusion programs.
SPEAKER 08 :
In other words, don't be racist with our tax dollars. No, serious. DEI is racist. Anti-Semitism is racist. What's the mask thing for?
SPEAKER 09 :
I'll tell you that when we come back. I think I've got an answer as to why he wants the mask thing gone. We'll talk about that next hour. So, guys, go away. We're not going away. We'll be back in a moment. Hour number three is next. Rush to Reason, Denver's Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560.
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This episode takes listeners on a profound journey, examining the necessity of transparency and responsibility in political proceedings. Exploring how digital anonymity has changed public discourse, John and his guests dissect the world of 'keyboard warriors' and the societal need for accountability. The conversation also touches upon recent debates around protest culture and the actions required for meaningful engagement in political life. Listeners are invited to rethink their stance on these issues and consider the broader implications of political actions in today's world.
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My advice to you is to do what your parents did. Get a job, sir. You haven't made everybody equal. You've made them the same, and there's a big difference.
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All right, we are back. Hour number three, Rush to Reason, Denver's Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560. Myself, Andy Pate, Charlie Grimes. And to kind of finish up, Andy, on that last hour, I feel, and this is for those of you that maybe weren't listening to us at the top of the hour there, we were talking about some of the things that Trump wants to do when it comes to some of these college campuses, okay? Yeah. And Obama's all upset because he feels like Harvard and some of these other colleges are doing the right thing in not listening to what the Trump administration wants done on these campuses. And as I said earlier, basically what Trump wants is a mask ban. They want changes to programs and departments that will end the anti-Semitic harassment, fuel it, and they want to eliminate DEI programs altogether. Now, Andy was saying, okay, why the mask thing? And we talked about this a little bit at the top of the hour, but for those of you that Couldn't hear us because we're not on air then. I feel like because a lot of times liberals, and Andy knows this as well as anybody, liberals especially will hide behind those masks and be a lot more aggressive. And we're not just talking, you know, the medical masks like people wore during COVID. We're talking, you know, ski masks and the like, and they can put scarves over their face and do all these things to basically hide their identity. Yeah, because when you're hidden, Andy, you can be a lot more aggressive. Yeah. That's why Trump wants those eliminated.
SPEAKER 09 :
You know, I've never really understood this either. If you're going to do a protest, own it. Put your face out there. They're not going to do that. Oh, why not? Are you too afraid? Are you too afraid? Look, if you want to go out there, you say, I'm protesting because I'm brave. Well, if you're brave, put your face out there.
SPEAKER 03 :
I agree with you.
SPEAKER 09 :
This is how I feel about people on social media who use ghost accounts and all this. Keyboard cowboys. Yeah, yeah, yeah. If you want to go bashing somebody, go ahead. Put your name on it. Your real name.
SPEAKER 03 :
I agree. I agree, Andy. That is the one thing. You know me. I'm a technology guy. Love it. I love the Internet, all the things it has brought, the things that it's been able to do to further things along for people, make life easier and so on. Yes, I think that is absolutely awesome, and I'm all for it, with one exception, keyboard cowboys.
SPEAKER 09 :
They drive me nuts.
SPEAKER 03 :
Keyboard cowboys have ruined the Internet experience for a lot of people, the bullying that happens from these people. And the reality is, and I've said this for years, the majority of those people wouldn't say those things to your face. No, they wouldn't. But they get real emboldened behind that keyboard.
SPEAKER 09 :
Right, because there's a whole world between them and you, and they know it. Look, I love debating online. I love it. But bring something, okay? If you're going to disagree with a point, say why. Okay? I can't argue with you, Andy. I mean, a couple days ago, can I mention a name? Sure. Hope Scheppelman. Okay. A couple days ago, she attacked a guy who's, by the way, going to be co-hosting with me in a couple weeks here, Todd Watkins. And he had put out basically a timeline of events of what led up to the lawsuits that they're going through right now. Correct. And he'll talk about this when he's on air.
SPEAKER 03 :
Good.
SPEAKER 09 :
Anyway, she goes on there and says it's full of lies. right you know yeah her and i have been debating back and forth via email so i can probably talk about some of that as well yeah but keep going well i went on there and i basically said two things i said number one hope um if it's full of lies would you please say what they are a little specificity here okay what are the lies but no man keyboard warrior all you gotta do is say yeah it's full of lies full of lies and i'm like what are the lies and i said and by the way hope uh You know, this is a pattern for you because you're the same person who claimed I am not Betsy Freedom. There's this person named Betsy Freedom, an actual person who is now stalking me. And I said, look, I've never drawn a conclusion on that. But could you please provide just one single contact point, anyone, anywhere who can verify any of your story? Because she made it a huge thing. She filed police reports. Without any proof that this person even existed. What I'm saying is this. If you're going to be a keyboard warrior, back it up. Back it up with something. Anything. Throw some stats out. Whatever. Back it up. I can't stand these people who all they do is they go on there and they throw insults and they can't back up anything they say.
SPEAKER 03 :
and I can go through a litany of things that Hope and I have been going back and forth on, and I'm sure she's not listening. I'm sure this might get back to her, but I went through a number of things with Hope and literally asked, and maybe I can do this on a later date, on a later show, because it'll take me some time to do it, but essentially went through point by point certain things that I had questions to. I actually included Andy in some of those questions that I was asking. Things like, for example, who formed Rhino Watch? What actually was going on with the money at the time that you took over, that Dave took over?
SPEAKER 09 :
Why did they have the entire Colorado GOP email listing with which they could launch their business?
SPEAKER 03 :
So here's the funny thing about all this is some of the answers I got back from Hope were no. were, let's just say, less than conclusive on what she actually said in regards to some of these things. For example, her answer to the Rhino Watch thing was, I don't know, I didn't get elected chair until later in the year, so I had no idea of exactly what happened with that, other than the fact that she knows Chuck and Julie are actually in charge of it. That's all she said. Yeah, in other words,
SPEAKER 09 :
Yeah. In other words, she knows, but she's going to claim she doesn't because she came in later. Right. You were in the office the whole time and you have no idea who helped co-launch Rhino Watch or how they got the email listing.
SPEAKER 03 :
I asked about the fact that I went through the FEC reports and the big narrative that was out talking about how KBB and the last regime left them in this world of hurt when it came to monies and so on. And I asked if... basically went over all that and said, I don't see any of that recorded in the FEC reports, which, by the way, those are all official reports that get sent to the government. And the answer that I got back was, well, those reports aren't entirely accurate, and you'd really need to talk to the treasurer at that time to really get a true picture of what was actually going on, because there is, you know, quote-unquote subaccounts that could be affected, and it was a bunch of nonsense, by the way, when it's all said and done. And here's my point with all of this. If you're the vice chair... Isn't it your responsibility to also know how the money is being spent? Yes. Thank you.
SPEAKER 09 :
Number one, it's your responsibility to know how the money is being spent. Number two, John, and this is a biggie. You guys, in your comments about the reports about your debts, about all this, you made serious accusations against your predecessor, Christy Burton Brown. You said that she basically stole a bunch of money and gave it to her friends. Okay, look. If that's true, how come you never took her to court for a single one of those charges? So you threw these charges, once again, we're talking keyboard warriors, right? You threw these charges all over the internet, right? And you never brought her into court on one of them? Why not? If you had all the evidence, if it was going to back you up, why didn't you go get that money back?
SPEAKER 03 :
That's right. Why?
SPEAKER 09 :
Because you're full of it.
SPEAKER 03 :
That's right. Well, I asked her about the endorsements. Why did you as a party and as leadership endorse certain candidates? Of course, she comes back to Resolution No. 10, endorsement of all assembly candidates for the state officer. Which, again, I haven't answered this back yet, but my comeback to that is just because they said it's right doesn't mean it is.
SPEAKER 09 :
Well, yeah, and who are you to punish petition candidates who reach out to far more Republicans than Assembly candidates?
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Correct. Again, I can go through the whole litany of things here at some point, and maybe I will on down the road. Let's take a quick break. We'll come right back. Flesh Law is up next, 303-806-8886.
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Putting reason into your afternoon drive, this is John Rush.
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All right, we are back. Myself and Andy, Dan, and Blackhawk, go ahead, sir.
SPEAKER 21 :
It's called transparency. If she says sub-accounts and it's all hidden in the sub-accounts, let's have an audit done on the books.
SPEAKER 03 :
Well, thank you, Dan. That's my thought process. And really, for everybody listening, we're talking about the whole Colorado GOP and when they took over, they were blaming the past administration on the fact that there wasn't any money and they couldn't pay your rent and they couldn't do that. And the reality, Dan, is I've been through the FEC reports pretty thoroughly. They don't show that.
SPEAKER 21 :
Yeah, I know an auditor who would be more than willing to go look at the books.
SPEAKER 03 :
I really feel like, Dan, at some point this current administration needs to have that done because I'm still confused as to, quote-unquote, where things were upside down because that's not what the FEC reports show.
SPEAKER 21 :
Yeah, so, yeah, if they don't know what they're doing, then they need to get out of office because when you're the treasurer, whoever the current treasurer is, It'd be interesting to see what their credentials are. Do we know what their credentials are?
SPEAKER 03 :
I don't know. Do you know what Tom's, the past treasurer, Tom Bjork, what do you say his last name?
SPEAKER 09 :
I think it's Bjorklund.
SPEAKER 03 :
Bjorklund. I don't know what his credentials are, Dan. I don't know. I think he's an accountant, but I don't know.
SPEAKER 09 :
I'm sure he's an accountant, but he is very wholly devoted to the previous leadership.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah, the cause.
SPEAKER 21 :
Okay, there's a difference between being an accountant and being an accountant who's a CPA.
SPEAKER 03 :
I agree.
SPEAKER 21 :
Okay? Because I deal with accountants in my tax business, and some of them are good, some of them are not good. Some of them don't have a clue. And I'm not trying to throw the bookkeeper accountants under the bus.
SPEAKER 03 :
No, Dan, I mean, there are times where, you know, I am not a CPA. I am not an accountant. I know enough about it to know what needs to happen, what the books need to look like, what a balance sheet should look like, whether there's a problem, what we need to do to fix it, what a P&L should look like, what this does to that, and so on. I mean, I understand all of that, but no, I am not an accountant. But like you, it amazes me. how often I'll find something that's out of whack on a balance sheet, or I'll find it out of whack in a P&L, and I'm like, okay, what's going on here? And I can't get a direct answer, even from the quote-unquote accountant. It's like, guys, this isn't that complicated. What's going on here?
SPEAKER 09 :
Right. And if you have such an airtight case, why didn't you take it to court? Why didn't you get your money back from KBB?
SPEAKER 03 :
I mean, Dan, did everything I just say make sense?
SPEAKER 21 :
Yeah, because I... I actually am a treasurer for a nonprofit, and I do a 990, which is the nonprofit insurance.
SPEAKER 03 :
Right, this has to be done every year, yep.
SPEAKER 21 :
Yep, so I was going previous years, and there was this adjustment that was made, and I'm like, where is this adjustment coming from? And I think what it was is they couldn't get the books balanced, so they made an adjustment.
SPEAKER 03 :
Okay.
SPEAKER 21 :
And that's not how you do it.
SPEAKER 03 :
That's not how you're supposed to do it.
SPEAKER 21 :
There's a reason. Right. There's a reason why it's out of adjustment, and you've got to figure out what it is.
SPEAKER 03 :
Right. Why? Where is it off and why?
SPEAKER 21 :
Right. And that's where a quote-unquote accountant can do it, but if they don't understand, you can be an accountant. There's a difference between an accountant and an accountant who understands, who can do the auditing of the books and understands what's happening.
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Right.
SPEAKER 21 :
So, and I don't know, and of course the current administration wouldn't, from what I can tell, would not allow an independent person or an independent firm or whatever to go in and audit the books, from what I can tell.
SPEAKER 03 :
I would say that you, up until now, you are correct on that. Yes, that is correct.
SPEAKER 21 :
Yeah, so let's get this, let's get the books opened up and let's see what's going on. And we need a doge. for the Colorado Republican Party to find out what's going on.
SPEAKER 03 :
Well, and here's another reason why I think we do, and let me go ahead and just, I'll go ahead and throw this in there really quick. Hang on, I got a copy and paste because I can't read it off the website. It's too small, too small a print. So Tom is a, this is on the, this is the bio that's on the GOP website still because that website hasn't been updated because I'm guessing passwords and stuff still hasn't been conferred to the new folks that are there now. Anyways. which I don't understand why, because that should be very quick. Anyways, Tom Bjorklund, a graduate of Northern Arizona University, BSBA in finance, served as treasurer for multiple political campaigns, which, no offense, Dan and Andy mean nothing to me, and is currently the CEO of Tactical Data Solutions, a company focused on data outreach for political campaigns, including financial and reporting data. Moreover, he has 19 years of experience in several roles, including campaign manager, treasurer, strategist, and data consultant. Tom enjoys shooting, sporting, blah, blah, blah. Bottom line, Dan, no, he's not an accountant. He's not a CPA. No, he is not. Bottom line, Dan, I'm sorry to say this. I'll go out on a limb and say this. Bottom line, I could probably look at a financial report in a P&L and know more about it than Tom does.
SPEAKER 21 :
Yeah, because you've had business.
SPEAKER 03 :
Because I do it every day.
SPEAKER 21 :
And you understand them.
SPEAKER 03 :
That's right.
SPEAKER 21 :
Yep, you understand them. I look at them quite frequently. So, yeah, I agree with you.
SPEAKER 03 :
And again, I'm not saying that to be boastful, Dan, at all. I can just tell you that, again, to your point, I do this stuff every single day, not only in my own business, but I look at all the people that I coach and look at their businesses and how are we doing and what's going on and what needs fixed. And when it's tax time, what are we doing? And on and on and on we go. I do it daily. I'm here to tell you Tom doesn't.
SPEAKER 21 :
No. He's just done it to get into a position that he wants to be in.
SPEAKER 03 :
There you go. You're correct.
SPEAKER 21 :
Yep.
SPEAKER 03 :
Okay. Thank you for that. I appreciate the backup in that, Dan. No, thank you very much. Paul and Cheyenne, go ahead. Go ahead, Paul. Paul, do we have you? You were there a second ago. No, are you there now, Paul? Okay. There we go. We got you now. Go ahead.
SPEAKER 20 :
All right. I was wanting to ask Andy about something. Yeah. I don't know how you guys... Think about raising the age for Social Security to whatever, 70 or whatever.
SPEAKER 09 :
Yeah, not instantly, of course. You would scale gradually over a number of years, yeah.
SPEAKER 20 :
Okay, but, I mean, ordinarily I'd be all for that, but there are certain people, well, like in my case, January 22nd, June 22nd of 22, I did some bad things with my back at work. So I wound up having an L345, S1, and S2 fusion. Right.
SPEAKER 03 :
the point where you've got a injury a disablement something along those lines you need to take a different path through social security than somebody like you know andy who's going to be almost 62 here and is as healthy as a horse well i'm 64 and uh what's going to happen i found out i just i mean the only thing i want if i ever had to retire social security is all i got i have nothing else i don't have four which i don't have i don't have none of that gotcha
SPEAKER 20 :
But I'd only get like $1,400 a month.
SPEAKER 03 :
Got it.
SPEAKER 20 :
Now, the job that I'm working at, I'm supposed to go back to work on the 23rd of this month. If by chance I can't perform my job, I'm a maintenance mechanic. They're going to let me go for some reason. And what do I do then? Hmm. I would lose my house.
SPEAKER 03 :
Well, first, really quick, just a little.
SPEAKER 09 :
But what you're talking about is a functional disability.
SPEAKER 03 :
Well, hang on really quick, Paul. First things first. They can't do what you're saying, so you need to keep really, and this is legal advice, even though I'm not an attorney, but I'm an employer, so I know how some of this stuff works. First of all, make sure you've got all your records, all your ducks in a row, including even recording some conversations at times if things come up along those lines, because legally they can't fire you for that.
SPEAKER 20 :
Well, no, they won't fire me for that, but they'll figure some other reason.
SPEAKER 03 :
Well, even if it's a retaliatory, what they call that is a retaliatory dismissal because of an injury, you could go get an attorney and win all day long. So they cannot do that, Paul. That's illegal.
SPEAKER 20 :
How can I prove that?
SPEAKER 03 :
that's where attorneys, like I say, record everything that goes on. And I hate to tell you to just be a big snitch, but if you feel this is coming, you need to be to protect yourself. Make sure you don't get caught in that. So, A, you know, no offense, but if you're supposed to be to work at 8 o'clock, be there at 755 and on and on we go. I mean, don't give them any reasons to let you go. Don't violate any policies and things like that. And then if all of a sudden they drum up something, you've got a great case. But, yeah, no offense, if you're tardy five days in a row and that's their policy and you're not allowed to be tardy and three strikes you're out, well, that's different.
SPEAKER 20 :
Yeah. The house I bought, I've been living here for 12 years now, and I don't want to lose it. And there are absolutely no programs at all for somebody like me other than Social Security or disability. Disability and Social Security, no two different between those two. Disability will give you full Social Security even though I'm 64. Right.
SPEAKER 03 :
Right, that's correct.
SPEAKER 20 :
That'd be about $1,450 a month for me.
SPEAKER 03 :
You're correct.
SPEAKER 20 :
My mortgage is over $1,000.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah, no, you still need the work and so on. And again, your place of business, who you're working for, legally cannot do that. So, A, I wouldn't lose any sleep over that. Just keep your ducks in a row and keep track of things and make sure you're dialed in.
SPEAKER 09 :
Hey, Paul, can I ask you a question? How's your back doing now? Do you feel ready to go back to work? Well...
SPEAKER 20 :
The good thing about it is I'm the head maintenance guy where I work at the TA truck stop. So I pretty much have two other people that work under me that are capable of doing things I shouldn't be doing. But the turnover here is outrageous. And there's sometimes I have to do things like unload trucks. We get all our stuff in like Some of those cases of windshield wash fluid and freeze, that thing's about 75 pounds apiece.
SPEAKER 03 :
Right. That's right.
SPEAKER 20 :
You know, the doctor tells me I can't, I shouldn't be lifting anything over 20 pounds. You know? So, I'm thinking, man, you know, if something happens later on down the road, they're going to want to get rid of me somehow. Like, make up a story of insubordination or... whatever, and, you know, there's nothing I can do about it. That's what I'm afraid of.
SPEAKER 03 :
Well, and that's what I'm saying. Just, you know, make sure that you toe the line, and if you don't have any of that, then legally there's nothing they can do. In other words, be a model employee, and you'll be fine.
SPEAKER 20 :
Well, I've been there for six years, so.
SPEAKER 03 :
You should have no problems then, Paul. I would not lose any sleep over it. I think you'll be fine.
SPEAKER 11 :
Okay.
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All right, we are back. Rush to Reason, Denver's Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560. And we really kind of started the hour off just talking about, you know, keyboard warriors and cowboys and so on. Then we got to talking about the past chair of the Colorado GOP, Hope Schuppelman. Vice chair. Vice chair, sorry. Yes, past vice chair. Past vice chair. And I had asked her some questions, you know, because she had sent out some things to all journalists, basically talking about how this whole lawsuit in the TRO and what had happened, that there was a ton of false information. So I sent a long email basically back and basically said, yeah, no, I've got it very well. I've been watching this all along. I was one of the first, you know, on air personalities to talk about Dave's dismissal and removal from the Colorado GOP all the way back in March. Uh, you know, about, about a month after he got started, cause I can see the handwriting on the wall and, and, and, and anyways, it went through a whole long process. And then she responded with a few things. So then I sent back about 10 different questions that I wanted her to answer point by point, i.e. the money that was supposedly a problem when this particular administration, you know, last administration took over from KBB. Uh, How did Rhino Watch itself get established? Who is the party planner, Eric Grossman? Because everything I can read, I've never heard of the guy other than him being involved politically, speaking in some different things in Colorado. He's been a mayor and some things like that, but I've never seen him be any kind of an event planner anywhere. By the way, that answer on that one was we saved money by hiring him because we had a full-time person prior that KBB had. So I guess in the end, Andy, why does it matter? That's basically the answer that I'm getting.
SPEAKER 08 :
That's not answering his credentials.
SPEAKER 03 :
That has nothing to do with that. No, it is not answering. It's basically sidestepping the answer and basically saying, well, we saved money from the last one because he wasn't full-time with benefits. That's not what I asked. I don't care. And by the way, I'll say this to everybody. I don't care about the last administration. Every time somebody calls me or texts me or talks about everybody from Ryan called to KBB and so on, it's irrelevant, folks. I don't care about them. They're gone. They're done. Those administrations have left the building, Andy. What I was talking about for the past two years, not now, but what I was talking about for two years was Dave and his administration. I didn't care about the past administrations.
SPEAKER 09 :
Yeah. You know, they keep talking about past administrations, and yet they did all kinds of actions that none of those administrations did. And yet they want to compare themselves. Okay, really? Did any of those administrations ever have the chair run in a contested primary against other Republicans? Ever.
SPEAKER 03 :
No, never. I just want to give you an example of a question with an answer. Okay. And I said, had the money that was used to start the TRO. That was a temporary restraining order that, again, Hope and her crowd will tell you that. And it's interesting because I've got proof now from Hope in this email. Hope and them will tell you that they didn't start it. that it was the Watkins, you know... That's a lie. That it was the Watkins side that actually started all of it. No, that's not true. In fact, she even admits in this email back to me that I received Sunday that, yes, in fact, they did start it. So what I said was, had that money that was used to start the TRO been used to help local campaigns, how many of them could have actually won? There were several close races... That had just a few, and I looked at all this. Andy and I went through an entire show one day going through these close races. There were a few races that had just a few hundred votes that could have changed the outcome. But rather than that, we spent money on attorneys. And here's her answer. Let's stop pretending this is about helping local campaigns. No, yes, it is about helping local campaigns. The comment is not only redundant, it's intellectually dishonest. That's what she's telling me.
SPEAKER 09 :
How? It's money. You took money out of the hands of our candidates and used it to spend $100,000 trying to save Dave Williams' backside.
SPEAKER 03 :
Well, here's what she goes on to say. No, it wasn't. By the way, it wasn't illegal. No, it was not. They ignored the bylaws. No, they didn't. No, they did not. Misrepresented themselves as the official party. No, they didn't. And even raised money fraudulently while pretending to be legitimate officers. No, they didn't, actually, because they actually, in that particular meeting, won, and according to that meeting, were the new chair, vice chair, and so on. Right. If he had simply let the meeting happen, as some suggest, we would have allowed a total collapse of the rule of law within our organization. This is unacceptable. No.
SPEAKER 09 :
Oh, come on. A collapse of the rule of law in your organization. Okay. The meeting was supposed to happen back in June. I know. Look, they were supposed to get 25% of the SEC to give signatures, which they did, which you can do in email. Okay. You can do e-signatures. It's okay. Which they did. They collected that, and then they got a legal quorum to have the meeting. Okay. All you had to do was have the meeting back then right away. By the way, they would not have gotten the 60% to remove Dave. Dave would have won. All right? This is what blows my mind. Dave would have won. The whole thing would have been over. Okay? But instead, they delayed it and delayed it. Here's one of the delay tactics. They delayed it till, what was it, July 11th or 19th, I forget, just so they could hold the meeting long enough to table the meeting and reschedule it for August 30th, right in the middle of the campaign season. And then they blamed the coup people for having this coup in the middle of campaign season. When it wasn't, it was well before. They pushed it back. The leadership pushed it back. Dave, the Davidians pushed it back.
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I know. She's lying. Andy, I sent you this email. You can read through it yourself and see exactly what some of the answers are because you are... The rule of law? You are correct. They are totally just bogus, out-the-door, weird answers when it's all said and done, including this one. Let me go to this one before I read any of these text messages that are coming in. This is my question. Did I not call you out for illegal campaign activity when you ran the Frisch ad on Facebook? You never admitted that was wrong. Once again, poor leadership on you and your whole team's part. Not only was it wrong to run the ad without the disclaimer at the end showing who paid for it, you ran it to campaign for Ron Hanks, who, in my opinion, is nothing but a traitor to the party. Here's her answer. Your comment is not only misleading, it's flat out a distortion of the facts, and I will not allow you to continue pushing this false narrative. Let's get the record straight. I did acknowledge that the original video I shared was not the official ad from the Adam Frisch campaign. Actually, folks, no, she never said any of that. She never admitted to any of that. And she did, in fact, take the disclaimer that it was a Frisch campaign ad off of the end of that particular video. And she never acknowledged me that I was correct in calling her out on that at that time. So she said, as soon as I realized that, I took full accountability, removed the video, and uploaded the actual ad from Frisch's own campaign materials. That's called integrity. I didn't hide. I didn't deflect. I corrected the error. Transparent. Something very few people in politics have ever done.
SPEAKER 09 :
Oh, really? Yeah. Let's get a bit more into it. Here's what really happened. OK, when she did that, I went online with her and I said, OK, first of all, you cut off the end you hid from your fellow Republicans that this is a Democrat ad. Right. Right. Really? I'd like to have this person's name. We would like to confirm with this person why they did this, why they gave you this ad with the end clipped off. We would like to talk to this person. No, I have resolved that. No, no, you haven't resolved that. I want the name of this person so that we can confirm that it was not you. And we also want to know why did this person do this, which is an illegal act.
SPEAKER 03 :
Right.
SPEAKER 09 :
Nothing. And guess what she did then? She ran. That was the end of it, John. So no, she didn't own it at the time.
SPEAKER 03 :
That's ridiculous. Anyways, there's more here that I could go through and read, but it gives me a headache to even read through some of this. And bottom line, I called her out on every single thing that she published out to a lot of journalists and personalities on air in town and really called her out on every single thing. And I got nothing but lame answers back. in my questions to her yep by the way nothing that you could really I mean some of her answers are well you know let's be frank Jeff Hurd was nothing but a traitor and he's not an America first candidate and he was running from interviews and blah blah blah blah blah that's why they endorsed you know Ron Hanks nothing could be farther from the truth by the way Andy yeah
SPEAKER 09 :
Jeff Hurd was a winning candidate. He won in a district that Lauren Boebert was going to lose, so she left that district. And Ron Hanks would have lost big time. He would have gotten absolutely annihilated. That's right. That's right. That would be a Democrat seat right now opposing Donald Trump in the U.S. House.
SPEAKER 03 :
Anyways, I should publish all of this, but I won't do that because I didn't tell her that I would initially. And I'm not that type of an individual. But I'll let Andy read through this over the next several days and he can fume over it a little bit. I'll fume. Some of the answers because he'll be reading this like you've got to be kidding me. Right. But, you know, it just shows you the character of the folks that we had running the party here recently.
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Yeah, it really does. Thank goodness they're not in charge anymore.
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All right, I just got to set the record straight because a couple of you are texting me saying you're wrong. The original TRO was filed by the Watkins group and not the Dave group. You're wrong. I've got proof even right from Hope Shuppelman. She was the vice chair during that time, and I can read this particular line for you so you can all maybe believe me for a change versus some of the others that are giving you false narratives all the time.
SPEAKER 09 :
Why would the Watkins group file a TRO against their own meeting?
SPEAKER 03 :
You wouldn't. That doesn't make any sense. Come on, people. You wouldn't. Come on. So here's what it says. This is from Hopes. I'm reading this right from the email she sent me. The temporary restraining order, the TRO, wasn't filed to suppress dissent. It was filed. To uphold our bylaws, protect the rule of law, and ensure integrity within our party. So, folks, those of you that are listening to me that are saying that Watkins filed first and therefore started spending the money first and the party had to defend itself from them, you are flat out dead wrong. I've got Hope's words right here in front of me in an email that I just read to you proving my point that the party, in fact, started the TRO.
SPEAKER 09 :
Two weeks from today, Todd is going to co-host with me. Please, you folks, go ahead and call in. Talk to Todd.
SPEAKER 03 :
Good luck with that. And I love you guys, but you're repeating false narratives from inside the party gurus that have been running things for the past two years that, frankly, are completely wrong. And I could go through every one of these answers point by point and prove how wrong they are. Yeah. Stop believing the nonsense that those individuals are putting out because it's utter... It's a lie, folks. It is a flat-out lie. Whoever started the lie that the Watkins group started the lawsuit, it's a flat-out, bold-faced lie. Yeah. And I've got hope admitting to the fact that the party, the party, the Colorado GOP, they hired the attorneys. They filed the TRO. Yeah. There you have it. It's right here in front of me, folks. It's called Game, Set, and Match.
SPEAKER 09 :
James, why is this so hard for some of you to understand? Well, no, you know, why is it so hard now? Now that you've corrected it, you've even quoted her. Why would it be so hard for them to simply send in some text saying, sorry, got that one wrong? But they'll never own it. They'll never own it.
SPEAKER 03 :
It blows my mind. I don't know. Somebody also asked, what does the Doge findings and all the waste and so on and the cutting of that, how would that affect Social Security and the insolvency of folks? That's a big question. I don't know. I don't know if anybody knows that answer quite yet. No. Because that money's not fungible. They would have to find money inside of Social Security itself on the waste, fraud, and abuse. All of the other things they're finding, like USAID, that doesn't count for Social Security, correct? Correct. It's not fungible, I guess I should say.
SPEAKER 09 :
Right. No, it is not. Those are totally different accounts.
SPEAKER 03 :
So, again, folks, those of you that are thinking about this whole TRO and all of that, the TRO was filed by the party. They were the first ones to file it. And, again, because of what Andy said, there's no reason why the other party would file a TRO.
SPEAKER 09 :
Right. And we have to keep in mind... The reason they filed the TRO. The reason the party launched the lawsuits. Everything was to stop a meeting. A meeting where it was voted upon whether or not to retain Dave and Hope. Okay? That meeting. was declared legal by the courts. Now, they changed the number of votes that you needed, so they didn't have enough votes. Fine. Okay. But the meeting was legal. So they spent $100,000 to stop or delay a legal meeting. Correct. And that money all came out of the pockets of our candidates.
SPEAKER 03 :
Correct.
SPEAKER 09 :
That's the bottom line. None of the money from the coup came out of the pockets of our candidates. None. None. Think about that. Right.
SPEAKER 03 :
You're right.
SPEAKER 09 :
And they were wrong to try to stop the meeting. She says, oh, it was wrong. We need to return the rule of law. The rule of law said it was a legal meeting, Hope.
SPEAKER 03 :
Right.
SPEAKER 09 :
Okay. That's the rule of law. And by the way, all they had to do was hold the meeting. This is the thing that, you know, set everything else aside, John. Let's just end it with this. All you had to do was hold the meeting. You would have won. For crying out loud, what are you doing?
SPEAKER 03 :
Instead of having the meeting under the bridge to delay the meeting.
SPEAKER 09 :
She had a meeting under a bridge with five people. To delay the meeting.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yes, because because they felt like there might have been enough people at that meeting that might have gone the other way. Although that probably wasn't true, Andy.
SPEAKER 09 :
Right. She called a meeting in La Plata where she is. She called a meeting of the state central committee. Then they canceled it. Right. And then without announcing it, she went and held the meeting anyway.
SPEAKER 03 :
And but that's the meeting under the bridge.
SPEAKER 09 :
Yeah, well, it wouldn't have been, but just in case she held the meeting anyway because there were people who didn't trust her and thought she would hold the meeting anyway even after canceling it. This is unreal. Some of them showed. And so she and her friends went over under a bridge to hide from them and hold their five-person meeting, which, by the way, is not a quorum. No. So how is it a legal meeting? It wasn't.
SPEAKER 03 :
It wasn't. You could have sued over that, but that's a whole other conversation.
SPEAKER 09 :
Right. And it was at that meeting that they finalized the later 831 meeting. I won't go into that. But, you know, this whole thing is ridiculous.
SPEAKER 03 :
It is. It is. And again, folks, all I'm saying is, you know what? It's done. It's over with. I've been calling for days removal for almost two years. He's finally gone. The old administration is gone. There's a new administration coming in. The big debate now is should this witch hunt that Matt Arnold is running be allowed to continue? I say no. Hope says yes. The reality is it needs to be disbanded. We don't need to be spending any more money as a party on a bunch of utter nonsense where we're going after other fellow Republicans for things that we just may not agree upon. That's the dumbest thing ever. Literally, it's the dumbest thing ever. I agree. This is like being inside of a church organization, and one person believes one way, and another person believes the other way, and you're going to now go find an attorney to work for you to go pass judgment upon the person you don't agree with. That's essentially what we're doing here as a party. Right. Am I right in describing it that way, Eddie?
SPEAKER 09 :
Oh, yeah.
SPEAKER 03 :
It's utter nonsense, folks. Utter nonsense.
SPEAKER 09 :
You know, there's one other big thing that they're circulating all over the place. Hope is doing it and several others. I want to hear what you think about this if we have one minute.
SPEAKER 03 :
Sure, go ahead. We've got a couple. Go ahead.
SPEAKER 09 :
They are complaining that Brita needs to put out more statements in opposition. to various things that come down from the state capitol.
SPEAKER 03 :
Why?
SPEAKER 09 :
I don't know.
SPEAKER 03 :
What's that going to do?
SPEAKER 09 :
It accomplishes nothing.
SPEAKER 03 :
No, zero.
SPEAKER 09 :
But they're saying you must take a stand. First of all, Britta takes a stand against, she has taken a stand against all the bad things that have come out of the capitol, obviously. She hates all the legislation that's coming down from the Democrats and has said so openly. But they want her to issue statement after statement every time one of these new, you know, like the gun legislation. You know, that kind of stuff. Every time it comes out, and I think she did on that. But to them, this is running the party, issuing statements that have no weight to them. They accomplish nothing. Look, folks, if you want to stop what the Democrats are doing down at the Capitol, get Republicans elected.
SPEAKER 03 :
Right.
SPEAKER 09 :
Okay? You can't just issue statements to fix it. You're not accomplishing anything. I got news for you. The Colorado GOP is a party, not a protest group. Her job, Britta's job, is to organize us to win. I don't care if she makes these stupid statements. Honestly. I'm sure she will, and that's fine. I'm not against it. That's fine. But it doesn't accomplish anything. What do you think?
SPEAKER 03 :
I agree with you and the whole statement thing. I mean, the reality is we have radio shows and people like myself that go on air and we talk about a lot of what's happening down at the Golden Dome and so on. And even then, guys, I talk about a lot of things. But the reality is, and Andy's correct, until we actually get more legislatures that are with an R next to their name down at the Golden Dome, I can talk until I'm blue in the face. It ain't going to make a royal rip when it's all said and done. They're not going to listen. Why would they? They don't have to, Andy. They have the numbers. They don't have to. Look at the last gun bill that went through and Paul has signed. We can talk about this stuff literally until we're blue in the face. It's not going to make any difference.
SPEAKER 09 :
Pun intended. That will get shot down in the courts. But they can't stop it by issuing a statement.
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All right, that's going to do it for today. Any of you that are texting, there's going to be things at times where we may agree, we may disagree. At the end of the day, we're still fighting the same fight. And the only reason why I read some of those things that I had received from Hope was literally to... set the record straight on certain things that are being pushed as a narrative by that side that, frankly, is 100% false and incorrect, and you're being lied to in some of the things that are being told by those past officers of the party, and I just wanted to set the record straight with that. That's all.
SPEAKER 09 :
Yep. By the way, the guy who was elected in that coup, Eli Bremer, will be with me the second hour next Tuesday.
SPEAKER 03 :
All right. Guys, with that, have a great night. Rush to Reason, Denver's Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560.
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All right, happy Tuesday, everybody. Rush to Reason, Denver's Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560. Myself, Andy Pate, Charlie Grimes, and how's Andy today? Andy is doing well, sir. It's a nice day, a break in between storms. It's always a happy day when I get to talk to Jordan Goodman. There we go, which he's joining us now. Jordan Goodman, America's Money Answer Man. Hello, Jordan. How are you?
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Great to be with you both again.
SPEAKER 11 :
And what is the weather back east like?
SPEAKER 09 :
It's quite nice, actually. It's 67 degrees here in North Carolina right now.
SPEAKER 11 :
We're at 70, so we will not complain on that at all.
SPEAKER 04 :
Jordan, have you noticed that even if it's during a terrible cold spell where it's sub-temperature, sub-zero, and all that, when you call in here, right where you live, it becomes 70 degrees. Have you noticed this?
SPEAKER 09 :
I have noticed that, yes.
SPEAKER 04 :
It's beautiful, isn't it?
SPEAKER 09 :
Love nature.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah. We bring that to you. Go ahead, John.
SPEAKER 11 :
No, we had weather past weekend, got weather coming in again this next weekend, but that time of the year for us in Colorado and Jordan, in the meantime, I should say, or in the midweek here, we've got some nice weather that we'll take. And, you know, weather is the weather. You can't change it anyways. It is what it is.
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Exactly. Exactly. But the world is changing in a major way. I mean, since we last spoke a month ago, We've had major changes in the whole tariff situation, and things are getting pretty tense on both directions, what we're doing to China, what China's doing to us. All these countries coming in wanting to negotiate a deal. I think last I heard there's 130 countries that have come in to Washington wanting to make a deal. So it's a dramatic difference from where we were a month ago.
SPEAKER 11 :
Yeah, no, I'm sure it is. I mean, I have this conversation with a lot of individuals, some family members and so on, and some agree with me, some disagree, and that's okay. Sometimes you just have to agree to disagree on some of this. And there's a lot of folks that say, you know, Trump's waffling, he's doing this, he's doing that. I don't think so, Jordan. I think the pause has come because of what you just said a moment ago when you've got that many countries wanting to come to the table and get it done. You can't do that in one day or two days. You're going to have to take some time to get that done and meet with each country and figure out what your deal is going to be at the end of the day. And did he know that going into it? Yeah, I think he did.
SPEAKER 09 :
Even 90 days. I mean, normally a trade agreement could take a year and a half with one country. Never mind doing 130 in 90 days.
SPEAKER 11 :
And no offense, Jordan, those are old days. Nothing in the world should take that long to get put together. You could sit down and get a trade deal done with each country, honestly, if I was running it, in a day, and go to the next one. Next.
SPEAKER 09 :
For example, the USMCA, when we did China and Canada... That took about 15 months.
SPEAKER 11 :
Yeah, too long. Too much negotiation, too much nonsense going back and forth. Granted, there's a lot that goes on between those particular countries and us. But again, Jordan, at the end of the day, we dwarf them when it's all said and done. You lay out on the front side a template of what we're going to do for each country and start working through it. And if I were in charge, this is exactly how I would do it. And you start negotiating on some of what they consider to be non-negotiables, and off you go. It shouldn't be that complicated to make this happen. We make this far too hard.
SPEAKER 09 :
In theory, if this works out well, lots of countries will drop their tariffs to zero, and we will drop our tariffs to zero, and maybe they'll even stop some of their non-tariff barriers, and world trade will explode in a very positive way. That would be the best of all.
SPEAKER 11 :
I agree.
SPEAKER 09 :
I don't think that's going to happen with China.
SPEAKER 11 :
No, no, and that's a whole other... I was going to... I'm going to get to that one in a minute, because let's talk about all the other countries, because there's a lot of other countries, you know, to your point, that have come to the table and get some deals done. We'll talk about China. It'll probably be in a moment after the break, because it's all its own monster.
SPEAKER 09 :
Jordan? Yeah, Vietnam came to us... First. ...offering 0%. Right. Now, Apple already moved a lot of its production from iPhones from China to Vietnam and India. So that's an example... where we could increase our trade with Vietnam a lot if they cut their tariffs to zero and lots of other countries. They need us more than we need them in many cases. So we have, as Trump would say, we've got the cards, that's the way he would put it.
SPEAKER 04 :
Well, Jordan, first of all, I think it's going to be great because, look, we've got 100-plus nations coming to us guaranteeing pretty much that we're going to have much better trade deals with them soon than we have had for decades. How can that be a bad thing? But here's my question. Outside of just, well, we're going to lower the percentage to this one, you lower it to that. Outside of the simple tariff percentage, what are some of the other things that they are negotiating? I mean, pick a country. What are some of the issues?
SPEAKER 09 :
Non-tariff barriers.
SPEAKER 04 :
And don't even go to China yet, because that's going to be more complex. We'll get to that in a later segment.
SPEAKER 09 :
Here are some of the non-tariff barriers. They do extra inspections of American goods, things like that, and make it hard for things to get in. They have subsidies of their own industries in various ways. They've got tax policy. For example, in Europe, they have what's called the VAT, the Value Added Tax, 19%, which we're saying is considered taxable. uh... you know punitive about what was the but what we want them to drop uh... they'd manipulate their currencies and make their currencies later though i should be which gives them an advantage uh... just all kinds of things i do know those are much harder to change uh... then uh... just lowering the tariff rate uh... i meant to ask europe to scrap the vat system perfect i tell him you need a whole new tax system of that that's going to be very difficult for them to supplied a lot of the other way we could do
SPEAKER 11 :
And, again, if it were me, and it's not, but if it were me, I would have already done this. I would have already gone through and figured out, okay, who's our top countries? Throw China off to the side, like I said a moment ago. But let's go through the rest of the countries that are the top vendors, if you would. This is what any business would do, by the way. Who's our top vendors? Who are we buying the most from? Let's get our deals done with them first. And no offense, Jordan, if you get all the way down the list and you're down to – And no offense if at the end of the day there's not a lot going back and forth besides cars. You could literally just say, okay, Germany, pound sand. Off we go.
SPEAKER 09 :
Well, I mean, the big one, if we could get Canada and Mexico done first... That would be good, because those are our two biggest partners, and we're so integrated with them in so many different ways.
SPEAKER 11 :
The only thing that needs to be talked about on the end of things with Mexico, which I've had conversations even with folks that still have family and other members that are down there and even working for some of the companies that will be affected by all of this, the one thing we've got to be careful of with Mexico that I think we really need to watch is the amount of China goods that are being passed through Mexico to avoid some of the things that, frankly, China needs to be paying for.
SPEAKER 09 :
Right, trans-shipped, as I call it. That's right. But, I mean, I think we're aware of that, and we'll try to stop that from happening. But, yes, that's a way that China tries to get around whatever restrictions by going through there. So if we can get those two done, that would really help a lot, because I just think it's unrealistic to think that the car companies are going to move the huge plants they've built in both Mexico and Canada in the last few decades to Michigan or something. It's just not going to happen. It would be better if we could keep the existing infrastructure somehow and lower tariffs and have really good trade because, I mean, it helps Mexico. We want Mexico and Canada to thrive because it helps us. I mean, they're a good market for us for selling stuff to them as well.
SPEAKER 04 :
I think those will actually work out pretty well. But, you know, we talk a lot about currency manipulation. However, we don't describe it. Jordan, could you describe for people, for the listeners, what does that actually mean when, say, China manipulates their currency?
SPEAKER 09 :
So, China is the second largest economy in the world, and under normal circumstances where there would not be any manipulation, their currency would be much stronger than it is. They do things to depress their currency, which means when they export to us, their goods are cheaper. The dollar is stronger, our goods are more expensive when we sell to them. So, by manipulating their currencies lower, they get a price advantage that's really kind of manipulation.
SPEAKER 11 :
And some people think, well, why would you want your currency to be lower? Because your exports become cheaper for other countries. That's why.
SPEAKER 09 :
Yeah, that's a major factor for China. I mean, we're uncompetitive with China in many, many areas. And there's many reasons, but the cheap currency is certainly a part of it. They're able to export all kinds of cheap stuff to us. The price is down, and their labor costs are like a tenth of ours, whatever it may be, and their currency manipulation. I mean, that's a core part of their... way of employing lots of people.
SPEAKER 04 :
Well, I don't understand. Tell me the mechanics of this, okay? Because obviously the dollar rises and falls because of a lot of factors. The yuan, I mean, how is that going to rise and fall? They simply declare it as worth less? I mean, what do they actually do?
SPEAKER 09 :
But they, for example, would buy dollars and sell more.
SPEAKER 11 :
They can inject more, take more away, those sorts of things, right, Jordan?
SPEAKER 09 :
Yeah. They can manipulate their currency. Right. I mean, we don't really do that here. I mean, we let the dollar... Float along. Float freely.
SPEAKER 11 :
That's right.
SPEAKER 09 :
Now, lately, the dollar's been falling, actually, pretty sharply for various reasons. But we don't try to manipulate the dollar the way the Chinese do. We let the markets dictate that. This is what they call the beggar-thy-neighbor strategy. I'm going to cheapen myself to allow me to export things to you cheaper, and it makes it very hard for U.S. to export into them because our goods are so much more expensive.
SPEAKER 11 :
One thing before we go to break and you can think on this and we'll come back and talk a little bit more about it because we'll shift gears over to China. One thing I've been noticing that can be interesting to see how this all shakes out, because what China has in a way done to kind of counter these terrorists and agree with them or disagree with them. And this is where it gets a little eye opening for, I think, a lot of individuals, a lot of social media outlets. A lot of folks now that are even on, you know, Chinese companies and so on, folks that are actually the factory for, say, you know, XYZ shoe or XYZ shirt or XYZ pair of pants or XYZ purse or whatever it happens to be. And there's these companies now, Jordan, on social media talking about what the actual cost is. to make some of these items are in other words how badly we're getting ripped off in america by buying these things from say nike and adidas and places along those lines i mean it's really showing a lot of the the if you would markup that's happening in in the value i mean not or the lack of value i guess you could say in some areas and that's going to be interesting to see how some of the companies that are now going to have to reel back in from that and determine, okay, wait a minute, I've now got my supplier, my vendor, is out there now publicizing what my cost is on these items. That's never happened before, by the way.
SPEAKER 09 :
Particularly for luxury goods like Gucci and Versace. It's all made in China for the most part. It is. And there have been these videos. It costs us $10 to make a Gucci bag or something, and they sell it at Nordstrom for $700 or something like that. That's right. It's been quite interesting, actually.
SPEAKER 11 :
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SPEAKER 11 :
Live and local, back to Rush to Reason. All right, Jordan. One thing that I want to go back to when it comes to China and some of what I was talking about before that and where I was going with this is everybody talks terrorist inflation, terrorist inflation, terrorist inflation, unless you start factoring in some of the things that I'm talking about to where people, the customer now starts realizing, wait a minute, you mean I've been paying $150 for a pair of tennis shoes that literally cost $10 to make? I mean, at the end of the day, Jordan, I think you're going to see some backlash along these lines, and you actually might see some prices come down, even with 125% tariffs. Let's say that tennis shoe goes from 10 to 20. Well, who cares? At the end of the day, it's still a far cry from 150.
SPEAKER 09 :
Right. In fact, some of the Chinese merchants you see online are selling directly to Americans now.
SPEAKER 11 :
That's right. They will literally, for all of you listening, they will literally let you decide what you want, size, color, you name it. If you want to buy a dozen of them, for that matter, you can do whatever you want to do, and they'll pack them up and send it right to your door.
SPEAKER 09 :
Exactly. I saw one guy online was selling 20 laundry, whatever those things are. Bonds. Five cents a piece. Packages. For $1. Yeah. For 20 of them.
SPEAKER 11 :
Yeah, $0.20 a piece, roughly, where I think right now the average person is paying $2 or $3 a piece for those. Right. So my point with that, Jordan, is when you start now, and again, I don't know if this is part of Trump's plan or not, or if this is just a byproduct of what's going on, but when you've now got literally lots of industries where a lot of this product is not made in the U.S., it's been made someplace else, they've farmed it out, and by the way, farmed it out, cut their costs way down, and still jacked the price up on the Americans. And, again, I'm not one to go say everybody's corporate greed and so on and so forth. I get it. There's a cost of doing business. But at some point, the customer's going to look at that and say, geez, guys, you're telling me that I'm now buying this Tide Pod from my local store for, you know, a buck apiece when literally it's costing you, you know, five cents.
SPEAKER 09 :
That's exactly right. Yeah, it's been interesting. You never know what's going to come out of these things, but that has been interesting. I get a lot of these online videos making the same point, and having links. To Chinese people, you can order your Tide Pods directly from them.
SPEAKER 11 :
And literally, for all of you listening, as you know, Jordan, because I've seen the same thing. I've had some listeners send me things. I've done some research on my own and looked up some things and so on. I mean, it is literally everything from designer belts, jackets, shoes, pants, purses, watches. I mean, you name it, all the way to hair care products and makeup and on down the line we go. I mean, literally, Jordan, the list is endless.
SPEAKER 09 :
And this is stuff that they make it. They'll even take it and put a made-in-France label or something to it. Louis Vuitton bag. Correct. In fact, it was made in China.
SPEAKER 11 :
In Italy, wherever. Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely.
SPEAKER 09 :
That's a pretty expensive label. All kinds of things are being uncovered here.
SPEAKER 11 :
Well, and my point with this is... You know, not that I want every industry out there to have to say what their cost of goods are. And I get it. Even with the cost of goods, you've got other things that go on top of that. You've got, you know, once that product arrives, you've still got to handle it. You've got to, you know, you've got a marketing cost and a lot of other things that come into play in that. So, I understand that you can't just sell that shoe for what your cost is, but as a business consultant and somebody that actually teaches people how to make money on these things, I can tell you that paying $10 and selling it for $150 is a great gig.
SPEAKER 09 :
Yeah, I think a lot of things are going to be uncovered and changed because of all this.
SPEAKER 11 :
My point with that is, that is deflationary, not inflationary.
SPEAKER 09 :
It is. It is. We're taking the fluff out of these prices that people have been paying for a long time. So that would be a good thing, although it's not good for the stock of Nike or... And, you know, Louis Vuitton, the fancy places charging all these prices.
SPEAKER 11 :
No, but I mean, I talked about this a little bit last week, and you would know the numbers better than me. But, you know, the average American, honestly, the average American, why they pay so much attention to the stock market is beyond me, because they have no money there anyways.
SPEAKER 09 :
Well, a lot of people do. Not really.
SPEAKER 11 :
Not really. When you look at the numbers of people that actually have IRAs or 401ks or things along those lines, Jordan, it's a very small percentage of the population.
SPEAKER 09 :
But about 50% have exposure to the stock market, either through 401ks, their own portfolio, something like that. But 50% have nothing in the stock market. But it affects kind of the mood, I guess you might say. And when the stock market's rising, people feel better, they spend more, they're more optimistic. When the stock market's falling, they get pessimistic, they cut back. And it's not only the consumers, but businesses, the same thing. I mean, businesses are very confused with what's going on right now. Is the tariff going to be on? Is it going to be off? What are my costs going to be? And they cut back. They freeze in that kind of environment. People don't want to make long-term investments in a very uncertain environment. So that's part of the feedback from a volatile stock market.
SPEAKER 04 :
Jordan, let's talk about China because, I mean, we talk about how terrible the trade war is, but I would add two words to all of that for now. Okay, because obviously it can't go on very long. China simply cannot go on without our market for an extended period of time. They really can't. And largely because of everything you've taught us about their... You know, their real estate market and so forth. They're in collapse.
SPEAKER 09 :
They're in a weak position. I agree.
SPEAKER 04 :
They're in a very weak position. They need us. Okay. However, we have to keep in mind, they have an entire culture that's based on not losing face. That's right.
SPEAKER 09 :
It's very much psychological. Let me just go through. Yeah, go ahead. I just got a list today of the things that China has imposed on the United States in the last week or so, just to give you a sense. A hundred and twenty-five percent tariffs on U.S. goods in response to the hundred and forty-five percent tariffs on us. They've done various controls on U.S. companies. They call a U.S. company an unreliable entity. So that includes Calvin Klein and Illumina, Target, all kinds of other companies. They've done corporate probes on so-called antitrust, which really isn't like Google. Today, they said they're going to stop U.S.-Chinese airlines from accepting deliveries of boeing and or making a new orders for boeing claims that our biggest exporter of the major market for us uh... they have export curbs on rare earth minerals which are used all kinds of industries and they're they've got much money from some of the market of rare earth minerals uh... they have uh... limited access on hollywood films the exhibit in china that's been a big market for a hollywood film it has uh... they've They've targeted trade and services. For example, they've made it harder for people to go into China for travel. Chinese students have had their visas revoked. And Chinese students spend a lot of money in the U.S. on tuition and other kinds of things. China has challenged the U.S. tariffs at the World Trade Organization, and they're saying all kinds of aggressive things all the time. So what they said today was the U.S. would be economically meaningless and would become a joke if we match these tariff increases. So they're getting pretty aggressive.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah, Jordan, no one's saying that China cannot inflict harm and pain on us in a good number of ways. Here's the problem. They import, I mean, I'm sorry, but they export about five times as much to us. So the amount of pain that we can cause them dwarfs theirs. And also, every time they one-up, Trump can simply one-upper. And he's holding a stronger hand.
SPEAKER 09 :
It doesn't even matter anymore. What? At 145%. No, no, no. A lot of things are uneconomic.
SPEAKER 04 :
No, you would simply do it in some other way. I think, to me, the biggest thing that Trump is doing to them is not just that, but it's the isolation. Okay, two weeks ago, China was not isolated from so many countries around the world. In two weeks' time, Trump has isolated China out of the blue.
SPEAKER 09 :
If we come to agreement, as we talked about earlier, with these other 130 or so countries, and lower tariff barriers and have more trade with them, and China is still at these ridiculously high levels, yes, we would have isolated China a lot, because they're trying. Xi Jinping is actually making a trip down to Southeast Asia and kind of, being Mr. Nice Guy to Cambodia and Vietnam and Africa. They're courting all the places that are mad at us about the tariffs. So it's a big competition. If we can get a deal with them and they can't, yes, that would isolate China a lot.
SPEAKER 11 :
And then again, I always go back to the simple phrase, we are the biggest customer in the world, and these other countries know that. Believe me, China knows that as well. China just doesn't want to ever lose any face because it's part of their culture.
SPEAKER 09 :
Yeah, and there's nothing to replace us, actually.
SPEAKER 11 :
The rest of the world combined doesn't do what we do.
SPEAKER 04 :
Look, we are much more of a buyer than a producer. They are much more of a producer than a buyer. That's right. I got news for everyone. Most of the world wants a buyer.
SPEAKER 09 :
Right. Yeah, I mean, they export about $450 billion to us every year, and we export about $145 billion to them, something like that. I mean, Boeing jets is a big one right there. If they're not going to take Boeing jets... That's quite a few billions of dollars just that alone.
SPEAKER 11 :
It would be, yes. No doubt, although, sorry, I've lost all respect for Boeing. Those guys have screwed that company up so badly that it needs a complete revamp off of what they've done over the past five to ten years. And I know people that work for them that would agree with me.
SPEAKER 09 :
Yeah. Well, this is going to be a big hit to Boeing. Their stock went down today. I mean, there are other places that will buy jets. There's all kinds of retaliation going on against the U.S. as well. I mean, there's boycotts going on against U.S. products in Mexico, in Canada, in Denmark, in all kinds of places.
SPEAKER 11 :
Yeah, and you know my answer to those guys is, have fun. Good luck. You aren't making a pimple on our rear end when it's all said and done. Sorry, but they're not. I mean, it's nice for them to say that. It's like Greta Thunberg running around talking about the environment. At the end of the day, it might feel good, but it's not changing a thing. Right, right.
SPEAKER 09 :
Sorry, it's not. I'm putting my rose-colored glasses on today and hoping we have a lot of trade deals. I think we will.
SPEAKER 11 :
Oh, and I think we will. You know me, I'm pretty realistic about things, Jordan, but I think a lot of things will get worked out. China, yes, they will be the last to the table because their hand is going to have to be forced on everything that they do. And really quick, back to the jet thing really quick, because I also wanted to say this. Keep in mind that while China says we're not buying any more Boeing, Delta's saying we're not buying any more Airbus.
SPEAKER 09 :
Right. So you've got both going on. That's right. That's right. Well, one of the things that's made the world economy grow and bring people out of poverty has been world trade. And that's contracting with all these trade wars going on all over the place. For the time. So there's a pain to go on around the world.
SPEAKER 11 :
Yeah, for a time, and again, I think some of that will change. I think a lot of people, by the way, are also being very overreactionary and thin-skinned. I've got an article I'm going to talk about a little bit later today where a lot of Canadians in the U.S. are taking their second homes, and they're selling them, and they don't want to have anything to do with the U.S. It's like, wah, wah, wah, wah, wah, fine. Stay where it's cold all year long. I could care less. Have fun.
SPEAKER 09 :
And travel from Canada to the U.S. is down 70%. They're our largest... Tourists coming in. It's done about $20 billion a year.
SPEAKER 11 :
Yeah, I've got the thinnest skin of any country I've ever seen in my life, Jordan. Literally.
SPEAKER 04 :
I think it's temporary.
SPEAKER 11 :
The thinnest skin ever. And I know some Canadians that just shake their head at that and think, what are you knuckleheads doing?
SPEAKER 09 :
I hope it's temporary. I mean, we may have to go through some pain to get to a much better situation. Just right now we're in the pain part of it.
SPEAKER 04 :
I will say this, one last thing before we go to break. I do believe there will be an aftermath of anger that will keep Canada's travel here lower than it has been traditionally for many years.
SPEAKER 11 :
Yeah, because they're thin-skinned, like I said. They're mad. They're upset. They're going to have a stink eye against us for quite some time. And again, I know Canadians, and I know some really good ones that would agree with me on what they're talking about with their fellow Canadian. They're too thin-skinned. They forget this is just business, guys. It's nothing personal. It's business.
SPEAKER 09 :
Right, right. Well, we'll see. It's a big gamble, and I'm hoping that it's going to work out for the best.
SPEAKER 11 :
Well, really quick, when it comes to housing and Canadians leaving, the way I look at that, Jordan, is it just one more house opening up for an American to buy? So really, am I upset about it? Not really.
SPEAKER 09 :
Yeah. There are big buyers like in Florida, Texas, and Arizona. Arizona. That's right. That's right.
SPEAKER 11 :
Yeah. And I hate to tell them this, but when they leave, and it's already happening, as they sell, which they are, somebody's buying it, and that's typically an American buying it. So they're the ones losing, not us.
SPEAKER 09 :
Right. No, I would agree with that.
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The best export we have is common sense. You're listening to Rush to Reason. All right, we are back. Jordan Goodman with us, America's Money Answer Man. Jordan, before we continue, how do folks get a hold of you?
SPEAKER 09 :
They can always email me, jordan at moneyanswers.com.
SPEAKER 11 :
And again, I want to make sure too, Jordan, that people listening and all of that, yes, I know there are some people even out there listening now that there's going to be some pain. You said it earlier when it comes to certain things. It could be farming, it could be trucking, it could be all sorts of things that have an after effect of some of the things that we are talking about. And I'm by no means trying to minimize those individuals. On the same token, Jordan, there's a lot of things country-wise and our debt and so on that we've got to get a handle on, or it's going to come to roost on down the road, and we're all going to be paying for it.
SPEAKER 09 :
Well, I mean, one of the big areas is the budget deficit. Now, just last week, the House barely passed this budget reconciliation by literally one vote. All the Democrats voted against it, and it was, I think, a two-vote margin, so it was basically a one-vote difference. And the Senate has passed something somewhat similar. And now the two of them have to reconcile that, which is going to be difficult, because they've got very big differences between the two. And then if they pass that, which they would do as a reconciliation bill, which would be just for the majority vote, they don't need the 60 votes in the Senate you would normally get, then that is what Trump calls the big, beautiful bill. It's got its tax cuts, it's got spending cuts, it's got everything in there. Now, the House side, it did $1.5 trillion in spending cuts and about half of that eight hundred billion or so is medicaid uh... the senate side had four billion intact and spending capital not even close to it i don't know if i got it they've got a record file that uh... but that's the big attacking the the devil uh... the big big bill uh... which we'll see if we can get through it'll be amazing to zero democratic support for anything related to that
SPEAKER 11 :
Well, and I'm going to talk about this on Thursday, so all of you listening, part of the Medicaid thing, by the way, which I don't think most people even understand, almost half the states have expanded their Medicaid program eligibility to include couples that have a household income of almost $70,000 a year and also have access to employer-subsidized health insurance plans. The problem is they don't do that because Medicaid for them is cheaper.
SPEAKER 09 :
Yep. And that needs to be fixed. Yes, that is true. But there's still millions of Americans that would lose health insurance if... They cut $800 billion from Medicaid. And also, a lot of people go into nursing homes using Medicaid. I mean, that's a huge hit to an awful lot of people. And I think there will be a lot of screaming in the streets if that happens. Something's got to be done about the entitlement for Medicaid.
SPEAKER 11 :
Yeah, the way I'm looking at it, to your point, Jordan, is that example I just gave a moment ago, that threshold, in my opinion, is too high. If you're a couple, you're making around $70,000 a year, and you've got health insurance offered through your employer, why are you on my tax dollar Medicaid program?
SPEAKER 09 :
Right, I agree with that. They should not lower the threshold.
SPEAKER 11 :
And so there's other things along those lines where we need to take a really hard look at that. And again, I'm not in those circles. I'm not in that world, because frankly, if I were, I wouldn't have got to this point.
SPEAKER 04 :
Well, what if Doge... Jordan, what if Doge goes through and does a full assessment first of all, right? Because they're right in the middle of doing their assessment and assesses, okay, it's roughly this many people who are doing exactly what John just said. Then we have this many doing fraud. And we feel that you can cut this much. And here are where the numbers are. Here are where the bodies are buried. And actually lay it out and say, this is how much you can cut without removing anybody who needs it. and then go back to the House and Senate and say, how's that for a midpoint?
SPEAKER 09 :
That's not the way it's working. No. That's not the way it's working. No, politicians don't think that way. They go in and just wipe out entire departments, basically. They don't ask for the details like that. So you could go through Social Security. They're cutting thousands of people, so they're closing a lot of Social Security offices and not allowing phone anymore. uh... i could go through a whole series of different agencies that they're just cleaning out in many cases they're not asking what i really need what we don't need they're just saying goodbye to everybody you know closing our entire agencies like u f a i d a whole bunch of other things we could go through. So it's a nice idea, Andy, but that's not what they're doing.
SPEAKER 04 :
USAID, I think, could go away. I think the little that is still good in USAID, I think... The 10th is probably good? Well, I don't know the amount, but I think it can be farmed out to other agencies. I think USAID... Look, you know, Jordan, it gets to a point where... Where and I don't care if it's from the right or from the left, but it gets to a point where a department is so unbelievably hyper politicized. that it becomes unsalvageable. And I believe in the case of something like USAID, we are 12 leagues beyond unsalvageable. It can't be salvaged. It needs to be... No, it's become a slush fund for politicians. It is a pure slush fund almost entirely for the left. And it's like, okay, look, let's get rid of it and replace... Well, what about the good things they do? Great, tell us. What are those? What are the good things they do? We'll do those through another avenue.
SPEAKER 09 :
In theory, I mean, supposedly the State Department's going to take over some of these things. But out there in the real world, a lot of people who are depending on them for medicine and food are not getting it, and they're spreading disease in Africa and dying of starvation and all kinds of things.
SPEAKER 04 :
So people are dying right now because of this? Right now?
SPEAKER 09 :
Because of this? Yeah. because people are not getting the food that they need, or they're dying of diseases. That's correct.
SPEAKER 04 :
I don't know any food shipments that were necessary and have discontinued.
SPEAKER 11 :
I've used this example before, Jordan. I've been to lots of places in Africa. I have seen where the grain bags actually go. I know whose hands they actually end up in, and frankly, it's not the people that need them. It typically goes to government, who then launder that money back to themselves, or warlords. Very, very, very little of that actually goes to the people to feed them. Very little.
SPEAKER 04 :
We'll see. I've been on the ground and watched it myself. I've seen it. Yeah, but now we're going to have hungry warlords. I mean, that's terrible.
SPEAKER 11 :
That's true. What do you do if you're hungry? We're alert. Okay, so before we lose you today, Jordan, because a lot of people I know are worried about this and are thinking about this, and what do we do? And they watch the news, which, frankly, turn the TV off, you'll be in a lot better shape. But for those that are watching the news and worried about what's coming around the corner, what are things they should be doing money-wise to try to thwart some of this?
SPEAKER 09 :
Well, there are some safe havens. The first one would be money market funds. We're yielding about 4.5%. And your principal is pretty much safe. You could do even a little extra belt and suspenders. It would be like a treasury or federal government-only money market fund. So that's a safe place. And there's trillions. I think it's up to about $7.5 trillion has gone to money market funds. So that's a safe haven. A second one is gold. Gold even went up again today. It's up to about $3,225 an ounce, something like that. All this turmoil in the world. has caused people to want to go into gold. I think that's going to go much higher. You can buy physical gold. You can buy gold mining shares. You could buy gold exchange-traded funds like a GLD. I think gold's got much further to go.
SPEAKER 04 :
Jordan, one second before you run on with that. Right now, there's a lot of turmoil. Gold is up. Gold goes up with turmoil. What happens when the turmoil decreases over the next 90 days?
SPEAKER 09 :
I think there's such tremendous demand for gold, I don't think gold is going to go down in a significant way.
SPEAKER 04 :
I agree. I just wanted to ask you, because I really didn't know. Because, okay, once the turmoil starts to decline, will gold decline?
SPEAKER 09 :
I don't think it will, but you would know better than I. Yeah, it's being driven by other factors as well. As I mentioned, the U.S. dollar is coming down, so people want to put money into gold. A lot of central banks around the world are stockpiling gold as well. So that's considered a safe haven. And then treasury bonds are the other ones, which are longer-term, like 10- to 30-year bonds. Those are yielding about 4.5% these days. So those are some of the kind of safe havens. What's been interesting is, in the last year or so, Bitcoin has been considered a kind of alternative safe haven like gold. It has not performed that way this time. It's gotten up to about $106,000 for Bitcoin. Now it's about $84,000, something like that. So... It's interesting. People say, oh, that's a good, safe place to put your money is Bitcoin.
SPEAKER 11 :
No, it's not.
SPEAKER 09 :
That has not worked out this time.
SPEAKER 11 :
Well, you know my feelings on crypto in general, and I have this argument with people on a regular basis. Anybody can do whatever they want to do. Put your money wherever you want to. That's your call. Am I going to do that? No, because my feeling on Bitcoin is still its value is based upon the faith in it only. That's it. There's nothing else backing Bitcoin, Ethereum, any other crypto, period. It's all based on speculation and what people think.
SPEAKER 09 :
It's being used to some extent with transactions, but I'm dealing with a lot of wealthy people all around the world all the time, and most of them want to buy Bitcoin in large quantities, like in the millions and millions of dollars. So there's a belief out there that this is a good place for your money long term, whether you believe it or not.
SPEAKER 11 :
I think they're very dumb, by the way, but that's my opinion. Yes. I wouldn't do that if I were them, but I'm not a financial advisor, and they don't have to listen to me, nor will they. Right. Honestly, I think your idea of gold and some of those things a moment ago, if I were somebody very wealthy and I was looking to put millions of dollars into something, it would not be crypto. It would be hard gold.
SPEAKER 09 :
No, and that's what people are doing. There's a big shortage of it, actually. So I mean, for the average person, you can buy a stock, GLD, which owns physical gold. You can do silver, which is SLV as well. Gold mining shares actually are leveraged to gold. So when gold prices go up, Gold mining shares go up faster because their cost of production is pretty much the same, but what they're receiving for their gold when they sell it is much more. So their profit margins go up when gold prices go up. So those are some places you might want to take a look at.
SPEAKER 11 :
What's the Fed going to do, do you think?
SPEAKER 09 :
I don't think they're going to lower rates at their May meeting. On one hand, we've had some decent numbers on inflation, numbers that came out last week, consumer prices growing at a 2.4% rate instead of 2.8%. Producer prices actually fell last week, 0.4%. So that was good. Not to the 2% level they're looking for, but we're kind of heading that direction. But I think they're concerned about the tariffs, and the tariffs rolling their way through the economy is going to raise prices on a lot of things, and I think they're worried about that. So in theory, they would like to lower rates, but I just think with the inflation rate, potential inflation coming from tariffs, they're not going to do it right now.
SPEAKER 11 :
Okay. I guess we will see how that all turns out. I think they're already behind. I think they're making a big mistake if they don't. A quarter point at the end of the day doesn't really change much when it's all said and done other than signal some confidence back into the markets. That's really all it is. As you know, a quarter point doesn't change anything for anybody really one way or the other other than the signal it sends.
SPEAKER 09 :
It is a signal. It is a signal. I mean, if they did lower rates at their May meeting, That would be telling you they think the economy is deteriorating pretty fast, and they want to help out with that. And in some cases, I mean, consumer conference numbers just plunged. That's right. We've never seen it fall that fast, okay? Business conferences is weaker. As I said, a lot of people are just freezing, and they're only buying the essentials, or they're not going out to eat or traveling. You know, people, when there's a lot of uncertainty...
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freeze both businesses and consumers right they stop spending because they're not they don't know what's coming around the corner so they stop spending or they buy just the essentials they don't do the extra things they don't do the you know the vacations or buy the new rv or all the new designer clothes or whatever you know they shop at you know target and walmart and some of those places instead of the the mall and what have you and yeah those are the shifts that people make during those times right and you'll see the numbers
SPEAKER 09 :
You're seeing it in the numbers. So consumer confidence, it's a soft number, but it does impact people's behavior. I think the stock market falling is part of it. All that's uncertain about tariffs. I mean, people are losing their jobs. A lot of these government workers are pretty high paid, and they thought they had a lifetime tenure. They were never going to have to worry about job security, and all of a sudden, Not only in Washington, but all over the country. I'm sure a lot of people in the Denver area are getting laid off who are federal workers as well.
SPEAKER 11 :
Which, again, I feel bad in one way, Jordan, but the private sector doesn't get that luxury. Why should they? You don't have that luxury. I don't have that luxury. Why should they have that?
SPEAKER 09 :
Well, they've had civil service protections for a long time. Right. And it doesn't seem to be helping at all in protecting them against getting laid off. But in their mindset, this is like a job for life, and they don't have to worry about getting laid off. So that's been a big surprise to a lot of federal workers.
SPEAKER 11 :
Oil, $61.33 a barrel. Your thoughts there?
SPEAKER 09 :
Well, it's another indication of the economy weakening. Oil prices were in the low 70s. Now they're about 60 or so. That's the market telling you there's going to be less demand for oil. Although it's been interesting, OPEC has recently been increasing production. And that's one of the reasons prices went down as well, because those countries really need a lot of money. And if the price is $60 instead of $70 or $80... They need to pump out more oil to get the same revenue. So they're depressing their own price.
SPEAKER 11 :
That's right. That one, Jordan, we've talked about that one many times in the past. I've never really understood that end of things from them because, yeah, to your point, it sort of defeats the purpose other than they've got a lot of mouths to feed.
SPEAKER 09 :
Well, and projects to build. Yeah, I mean, a lot of these countries, oil's the only thing they've got. That's right. Like Nigeria and Angola and some of these places.
SPEAKER 11 :
There is nothing else there. Even Saudi Arabia, there's nothing else there.
SPEAKER 09 :
I mean, they're trying to diversify in Saudi Arabia, but it's like 90-whatever percent of their money is from oil. That's right. And I mean, there are other things going on. We are having more electric cars. Cars are more efficient in various ways. China is using a lot less oil because of, as we talked about, the real estate depression there and just less economic activity. All those things mean less demand. Now, it's good for American consumers. You're seeing gasoline now even in the high $2 range or something like that. That's been a boon to U.S. consumers.
SPEAKER 11 :
Yeah, and that will drive some of the prices down. And the one thing, too, that I think even news media gets wrong a lot, and this is something that nobody really thinks much about, outside of some produce and maybe certain vegetables, the majority of food that we have in America we grow on our own. And frankly, if we export less because of some of what we're talking about with tariffs means we have more food here, meaning despite what everybody would say, including our own governor here, the grocery prices will increase. Actually, Jordan, it's the opposite. No, they won't.
SPEAKER 09 :
Well, the problem with fruits and vegetables is getting the workers to pick them because they're afraid of going out in the field and getting picked up by ice. I mean, you hear that from farmers, that they can't find any way to pick the fruits and vegetables. So they're growing it, but they can't get it from the field. because there's nobody who's willing to get picked up by ICE.
SPEAKER 11 :
Yeah, and like I said, other than fruits and vegetables, which you might see some price increases in those areas, which I do health and wellness on Wednesdays, and yes, we should be eating those, and yes, they're good for us and so on, but the reality, Jordan, is you don't have to have those to live on a daily basis. Everything else we create in this country, you can literally live off of, and those prices are going to come down.
SPEAKER 09 :
The other area is grains. I mean, we produce far, far more in soybeans and corn and wheat than we can potentially consume.
SPEAKER 11 :
That's right.
SPEAKER 09 :
China is a big, big market for us. And even the 10% minimum tariff makes a lot of our stuff uncompetitive, never mind the 145%. So China's buying now from Brazil, Canada, Argentina, other places, and our farmers are going to get hurt very badly by this.
SPEAKER 11 :
Yeah, because that food will stay internal, not go external. We can talk more about that next month and kind of see how things go. One last time, Jordan, how do folks find you?
SPEAKER 09 :
They can always email me, jordan at moneyanswers.com.
SPEAKER 11 :
It's always fast, Jordan. Appreciate you very much.
SPEAKER 09 :
Very good. Thanks so much.
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All right, we've got a minute left. Question of the day today. What term describes a prolonged period of deflation and stagnation as seen in Japan during the 1990s? The lost decade is the answer to yesterday's impossible question. Today's impossible question, answer this on our Facebook page. Which philosopher wrote being and time? Which philosopher wrote being and time? Any ideas, Charlie? Any ideas?
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I don't know, Kant. I have no clue.
SPEAKER 11 :
Charlie says no, he doesn't know either. Guys, this is always above my pay grade, so I have the foggiest idea. I'm definitely not some philosopher.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah.
SPEAKER 11 :
Other than when it comes to interest rates in the economy and things like that. Jordan and I have had some good conversations over the years along those lines, by the way. Some good debate.
SPEAKER 04 :
Along which lines?
SPEAKER 11 :
Of the economy and interest rates and what the Fed should do and not do and all of that. It's been fun.
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Yeah, it's always fun.
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I mean, I know there's a lot of folks that don't like Jordan, but I do. I love Jordan. Oh, I love Jordan. We have a great camaraderie and have a lot of conversation. We've had him on here for many, many years now, and we will continue to do so. All right, hour number two is next. Don't go anywhere. Myself and Andy, this is Rush to Reason, Denver's Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560.
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I'm a rich guy.
Diving into the biblical tale of Cain and Abel, Rick Hughes unravels the roots of criminal behavior from a Christian viewpoint. The episode examines how rejection of divine authority and the grip of jealousy and bitterness can lead to irrational and sinful acts. With thought-provoking insights and practical advice, Hughes challenges listeners to audit their intentions and align their actions with God’s plan, emphasizing the inevitability of divine justice for one's deeds.
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Welcome to the Flatline with your host, Rick Hughes. For the next 30 minutes, you'll be inspired, motivated, educated, but never manipulated. Now, your host, Rick Hughes.
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Good morning and welcome to the Flatline. I'm your host, Rick Hughes, and for the next few minutes, just about 30 minutes, please stick around. We've got some information for you that will encourage you, motivate you, give you some insight. Hopefully, you'll orient and adjust to the plan of God. My job is to just get it right, get it simple, not try to... beg for money or not try to solicit support, but give you accurate information. Hopefully you will take that information and use it in your life, especially about what we're going to talk about today. But let me give you a few reminders before we jump into the product. God gave us two different ends. Let's don't forget that. One of those ends we sit on and the other one we think with. And success in our life will depend on which one we use the most. Heads you win, tails you lose. Remember, bad decisions limit future options, and if you make enough bad decisions, obviously you don't have many options left. And so your option as a Christian is to learn the Word of God, to replace human viewpoint thinking with divine viewpoint thinking. As the Bible says, let this mind be in you that was also in Christ Jesus, Philippians 2, 5. And in Romans 12, 3, stop thinking in terms of arrogance beyond what you should think. but think in terms of humility as God has assigned to each one of us a standard of thinking from his word. That standard of thinking is called divine viewpoint. And when you can learn the word of God and think divine viewpoint, not human viewpoint, Then you have wonderful wisdom, wonderful insight, wonderful ability to make a good decision based on good information, usually a faith-based decision, not a decision based on emotions, but based on faith, a faith-based decision based on what the Word of God says. And so that's how we operate in this life. We operate on faith. There are several ways to perceive phenomena. We can perceive it empirically with scientific data. We can perceive it rationally with argument and logic. Or we can perceive it by faith. And faith is how Christians operate. For without faith, it's impossible to please God, the Bible says. So the study that I want to jump into this morning is related to something I taught you earlier, maybe two or three weeks ago. when we dealt with criminal adversity and dealing with criminal adversity in the church, things like that. We want to go a little bit further with that today, and I want you to hear some of this information because at some time in your life, you're going to be a victim of a crime more than likely. As a believer in Jesus Christ, you may be more than likely, maybe even more so, twice as likely to be a victim of a crime because we're more trusting, we're more open, we're we're not quite as suspicious or vindictive as other people are. So I gave you a verse from the last time we studied this in Psalm 37 one. And this is called doctrinal orientation. That's a wonderful problem solving device. Problem solving device one, two, three, four, five. Doctrinal orientation. When you orient your life to what the word of God says and replace your thinking with divine viewpoint thinking. So I gave you Psalm 37 one that said fret not yourself because of the evil doer, that's the criminal, they shall soon be cut down like the grass and wither like the green herb, the Bible goes on to say. And so we talked about criminal activity in the church and things that would happen. So let me go back to some things that my pastor taught me a long time ago. He said this, he said the criminal is an irresponsible person. The criminal is irresponsible. He won't take responsibility. And number two, that all crime is the product of human volition, not environment. In other words, the criminal chose to be a criminal. He wasn't forced into it by the way he grew up or was raised or the community that he lived in. He chose to do what he did. Just because a person lives in squalor doesn't mean they have to be a thief. Just because a person lives in a bad part of town doesn't mean they have to be a drug dealer. We choose to do what we do. That's called human volition. And the criminal lacks maturity, since the criminal, he or she, can't handle any responsibility. They're not responsible. They don't want to be answerable to any authority, and they don't want to be held accountable until they are forced to obey. And that's usually the police officer, the court, the jail, the prison, et cetera. So the criminal has a fragmented soul. Minus virtue, he's vindictive thinking, he violates the laws, but his soul is fractured. Listen to James 1.8, a double-minded man is unstable in all of his ways. Now let's take this as a Christian. If it's a Christian criminal, he's double-minded. The Greek word, disukos, D-I-P-S-U-C-H-O-S, disukos, means two-souled. So it means he's uncertain, he has a divided interest, he vacillates. So the criminal is not the only person with divided interests. It could be you also. But sin and the word of God or Bible doctrine do not balance. One of them will destroy the other. And this is a fact. So this is how some Christians wind up becoming criminals. They choose to do what they do. They rationalize it on emotional revolt. They rationalize it through arrogance. and they do what they do, and eventually they get caught. So criminality is sinful, but not all sin is a crime, that's for sure. Criminality is sinful, but not all sin is a crime. Think about that one now, and you'll understand it. It's not a crime to worry, it's not a crime to be afraid, but these are sins, mental attitude sins, that you face in your life sometimes. So the criminal does not respect the freedom of other people, He or she in this case doesn't even recognize the rights of other people, thus they feel like they're justified in breaking into your home, breaking into your car, breaking into your bank account, stealing your credit card numbers. They justify that because you have it and they don't and they think you're guilty and they're not guilty. So as we do a case study of some crimes mentioned in the Bible, hopefully we can draw some conclusions. and make some applications to our life and to the circumstances that we're involved in. The first case study I want to look at would be in the book of Genesis. This seems to be where the first criminal activity took part. There's a man named Cain who kills his brother, his name is Abel, and then he tries to hide it from God. And that's an interesting thing because what can be hidden from God? Nothing. And the principle to learn in this study are threefold. Number one, you have to learn the power of negative volition. Negative volition is very, very, very powerful. And so people that are negative to the plan of God, you will not change them. If they have negative volition, you can argue with them till you're blue in the face. You're not gonna change anybody. Matter of fact, the only person you can really change is yourself. You can't change the way your kids think. You can't change the way your wife thinks. You can only change yourself. And God, the Holy Spirit can do changing if they're convicted. If the Holy Spirit convicts them, then they can change if they want to. Just like you can't make anybody lose weight. You can't make anybody vote Republican. You can't make anybody cut their grass. They have to choose to do it. And so the power of negative volition will be seen in the life of Cain. And secondly, we will see the impact of hatred and jealousy causing the first crime. And we will see the first evidence of sin as it relates to violence. Sin as it relates to violence. So in Genesis 4, 1 through 15, the NASB, the New American Standard Bible, gives us some insight on this. And here's a question I want you to think about. How did Abel know what to do on this case? And this is about making a sacrifice. How did Abel know to do the right sacrifice? And the answer is his parents taught him. And Cain rejected what he had been taught by his parents and chose to present his sacrifice his own way. He chose not to do what his brother did. His brother did what his parents taught him to do. So here we go, Genesis 4, 1. Now the man Adam had relations with his wife Eve, that's sex, and she conceived and gave birth to Cain. And she said, I've gotten a man child with the help of the Lord. And again, she gave birth to his brother Abel. And Abel was a keeper of flocks. Cain was a tiller of the ground. This is a case of the farmer versus the shepherd. So it came about in the course of time that Cain brought an offering to the Lord of the fruit of the ground. You know, some kumquats and squash and spinach and all that sort of stuff, watermelons, cantaloupe, whatever. But Abel on his part brought the firstling of his flock of their fat portion. So he made a blood sacrifice. This is what was required in Genesis for the cover of the sin of Advent and Eve when God killed an animal and clothed them with the skin of an animal. And that was the first blood sacrifice. It's always been that way in the Jewish religion and the sacrifice of the Passover lamb. and the blood had to be put over the doorpost or the Passover angel would kill anybody in the house. And this is the Passover. And so here is Abel doing what his parents taught, which his parents saw God do. That's make the sacrifice and taught them how to do it. And it says the Lord respected Abel. The Hebrew word shah means to considered what he did. He considered Abel's offering. But for Cain, verse five of Genesis four, And for his offering, he had no regards or no respect. And so the Bible says Cain became very angry. This is mad at God. And he took it out on his brother, by the way. Let me suggest something. If for one minute in your life you ever think God treated you unfairly and you've been mad at God, you must wake up and stop doing that. There's no way God would ever treat you unfair or anybody unfair because God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten son. He doesn't hate you, he's not mad at you. Sometimes you may come under the justice of God because you leave him no choice like a parent that has to discipline their child. So Cain got angry at God and at his brother. And what was in his mind was displayed on his face. His countenance, his ponine, his countenance fell. You know, sourpuss, operation, lips turned down, grunt in his teeth, mad. And the Lord said to Cain, actually had a conversation with him. This is the Lord Jesus Christ in the pre-incarnate form. Why are you angry? In other words, why are you sinning? And why has your countenance fallen, unhappy face? If you do well, will not your countenance be lifted up? But if you don't do well, then sin is crouching at the door, and its desire is for you. That's a good thing for you to remember. If you obey God, it's a good thing. But if you don't obey God, sin is tempting you. It's crouching at the door. It's going to jump on you. Its desire is to control you. But God, the Lord Jesus Christ, went on to tell Cain, you must master it. Don't be a slave to your sin nature trends. You see, both Cain and Abel had a sin nature just like you and I. They inherited that sin nature from their father, Adam. And you have to learn how to control the sin nature. And so the Lord Jesus Christ gives a warning. You must master your sin nature. Cain told about this conversation, verse eight, to his brother Abel, maybe looking for some kind of sympathy, you know. It came about when they were in the field. Here he is out there out working in the field, or maybe Cain invites Abel over to look at his latest crop of cantaloupes and says, You know what that guy told me the other day? And off he went on the Lord, and he got very angry, and he got very mad. Maybe Abel rebuked him. Whatever happened, Cain rose up against Abel and killed him. I don't know if this is premeditated murder or they just had a big fight and they killed him, but the determined criminal can lure you before he attacks you. He lured him into the garden. He wanted him to get out there away from his parents and away from everybody so there would be no witnesses of what was about to happen. And so verse nine of Genesis four, the Lord said to Cain, where's Abel, your brother? And Cain in his natural humility said, I'm being facetious now. I don't know. Am I my brother's keeper? And the Lord said, well, what have you done? The voice of your brother's blood is crying to me from the ground. The Lord knew exactly what he had done. He had killed him and buried him. And now you're cursed from the ground, which has opened its mouth to receive your brother's blood. And so now he's cursed from the ground. He received your brother's blood from your hand. When you cultivate the ground, it will no longer give you its strength. and you will now be a vagrant the rest of your life and wander over the face of the earth. This is a life sentence, maybe unintentional homicide, thus he's not sentenced to death, but there were no prisons at the time, so I don't really know what's going on here, except that this is a sentence. You will wander the earth forever. As long as you're alive, you'll never have ability to cultivate the ground, and you'll just be a wanderer. Cain said to the Lord, my punishment is too great for me to bear. Here we go. That's not fair. That's not fair. That's not fair. Behold, you have driven me this day from the face of the ground, and from your face I will be hidden, and I'll be a vagrant and a wanderer on the earth, and whoever finds me will kill me. So the Lord said to him, therefore, whoever kills Cain, vengeance will be taken on him sevenfold. And the Lord appointed a sign for Cain so that no one finding him would slay him. Now, I have researched everything I can, and I cannot find out what that sign was. Even some people said it was a dog. He gave him a dog to go with it. I don't know. It wasn't a sign. Whatever it was, And I'm not here to really discuss that. There's no way I can cover all the doctrines taught in this passage in just one or so radio shows. But I want to focus on a couple of things. One, and I want you to look at this in your life. Cain rejected the authority of his parents, and as a result, murdered his brother. So crime came into the world because of the rejection of parental authority. That's where it started. He knew the proper thing to do. He knew the right way to do it, but he wasn't gonna do it. Two, when Cain murdered Abel in Genesis 4, That was a satanic attack on the seed of Adam because Adam had been promised that through your seed, the Savior, the Messiah, would come. It's Genesis 3.15, the first proto-vangelum, the promise of a Redeemer. So this was an attack on the first promise given to Adam after he sinned, that God the Father would provide a Savior from Adam's seed who would come through the woman as a child bearer. So Satan... and the fallen angels understood that a savior would come in the line of Adam as true humanity through the woman. Therefore, Satan knew he had to cut off that line from Adam to Christ. He knew that. So in the first generation, Satan inspired Cain to murder Abel, who was a believer. But then the line continued on through the next born child, which was Seth. She had another son, Seth. So that Satan realized murder would not work to cut off the line. If he had Seth killed, then God would just give her another boy. So killer lust is the problem-solving device of Satan. He's a murderer. The Bible tells us he's a murderer. He's always been a murderer. And killer lust is a problem-solving device of any of the weak person. Inferior people trying to prove that they are superior, often result to violence, torture, and even murder. So there's no doubt that Satan inspired Cain to murder Abel, who was a believer, to keep the Savior from coming into the world. But Seth also became a believer, and so the line of Christ came down, not through Abel, but through Seth. Cain followed the same principles that his mother followed in her original sin, arrogance and pride. He was proud of what he did as a farmer and he was arrogant. He wanted to be accepted by God based on who and what he was. And he became very bitter because of his arrogance. And he thought he was maltreated by God. I hope you've never felt that way. Here's some more principles. The middle attitude sin of bitterness and jealousy can motivate someone, even a Christian, to commit horrible crimes. Everything from slander to murder. I mean, if you don't believe me, just look at American politics. Corrupt power will stop at nothing to keep the power. And there have been many, many, many murders in the political scene of American history, I assure you. Most of them you don't know about, but it happens. Power wants to keep the power. Everything from slander to murder. It's the public lie and getting the public to turn on a person or whatever they can do to keep their power. If that doesn't work, then kill them. That's the way it goes. Always has been that way because it's satanic in its origin. So jealousy is fed from the unrealistic self-image of arrogance. You know, what's interesting is you may be seated in the room across from a person who you can't stand simply because you're jealous of them. Maybe you're jealous of their prosperity or maybe you're jealous of their social status or jealous of whatever. But this mental attitude of sin is one of the worst. Resentment of other people is associated jealousy. And jealousy and bitterness always go hand in hand together. Jealous people become emotional people who then become irrational people. So we have jealous Cain, emotional Cain, irrational Cain. jealous of Abel, emotionally arguing with God, rejecting, who told you? You know, I'm not my brother's keeper. That's what he said. And so, and then here we go at the end. He becomes irrational and commits murder. You know, this is true of a jealous lover. A spouse can become very irrational and can commit murder, has done so many, many, many times in history. There have been many murders with jealousy. So Cain was jealous of Abel, who received God's blessing, And thus Cain became emotional and irrational, plotting to get even with his brother. Thus the irrational jealousy became uncontrollable anger with the intent of malice or harm. You know, jealousy, like bitterness, is related to hatred. You know that, don't you? Since jealousy is both an arrogance and an emotional sin, it's totally irrational in its hatred and totally irrational in resentment of other people. What does the Bible say about it? Proverbs 27.4, wrath is fierce and anger is a flood, but who can stand before jealousy? In James 3.14 and also in verse 16. But if you have bitter jealousy and strife in your heart, and do not become arrogant and lie against the truth. For where jealousy and strife exists, there is unruleness, that's lack of control, and evil deeds, that's murder and revenge. So the criminal, obviously, Cain thought he could deceive God, and criminals thinking they can deceive God. They deceived you, didn't they? So they figure if they can deceive you, they can deceive God. You won't know I broke into your home. You won't know who I was. I did it in the middle of the night. You weren't there, so I deceived you, they'll say. They'll claim that no one knew who they were, but God does. God knows exactly who it was. I've had stuff stolen in broad daylight in front of the hotel, sitting there two doors down from the entrance. People break in and steal things. I didn't know who it was, but it wasn't me they stole from. It was God because it was God's car and God's supplies. And I didn't have to worry about taking vengeance. The Lord can handle that. That's why the Supreme Court of Heaven is open 24 hours a day. So here's the principle. God sees everything. Nothing is hidden from him. The criminal can be a thief in the middle of the night, in a dark night, black clothes, black hat, black mask. See even sunglasses, but God can see him. Proverbs 15.3, the eyes of the Lord are in every place watching evil and good. Have you been a thief? Have you been a deceiver? Have you thought that no one recognized what you did without finances or any checking account or any taxes? God does. first samuel 16 7 the lord said unto samuel don't look on his countenance don't look on the height of his statue because i refuse him man looks on the outside i look on the heart he has the ability to see your motives he has the ability to see your intentions and he has the ability to see your desires Isn't it funny how Cain thought his punishment was too harsh? Cain said to the Lord, my punishment is too great to bear. You've driven me this day from the face of the ground, and from your face I will be hidden, and I'll be a vagrant and a wanderer on the earth, and whoever finds me will kill me. Oh, he said, poor pity me, pity me. He didn't mind killing his brother, but he didn't want anybody to kill him. How about that? The criminal, like Cain, often becomes a coward under God's justice and complains about harsh treatment. I remember the story about a young man in Alabama who was a very mean criminal, very brutal criminal. And my friend, who was the head deputy of the sheriff's department, took him to prison. They had to go back and get him maybe six months later to testify. And when they went back to pick him up, he was totally different man. Humble, quiet, didn't say very much. And my friend said, you know, when I brought you down here, you were pretty tough and pretty mean. We weren't sure. I said, what happened to change you down here? And he said, well, they had me out there working in those cotton fields. It was 100 degrees and it was really hot. And he said, I asked the guard, could I get a drink of water? He said, yeah, it's over there on the tractor. Go over there and get you a cup of water. And he saw that tractor driver sitting up there with that umbrella drinking water. And he said, how do I get to drive one of those tractors? And the guard said, well, it's simple. Just take that guy off and you can have it. And my friend who was with him looked at him. The guy told my friend, said, you know, they got some real mean tractor drivers down there. So he got humbled a little bit. He just wasn't able to take him off that tractor. Criminals often become cowards under God's justice and complain about harsh treatments. So God knows all of your intentions, all of your desires, all of your motivations. God knows that. You're not gonna pull the wool over his eye. So you might as well face up to the fact that you've sinned and you might as well confess the sin to God way before it's too late and you get in deeper than you are already. You may be already in pretty deep. Now is the time to get out. Now's the time to be honest. Like David said in Psalm 32, as long as I hit it, I just dried up like an old man and died. But when I confess my sin, you gave me the vitality of my life back. You can't be a criminal and serve God. Think about that. You're not going to get away with anything. Sooner or later, he will expose you. Until next week, this is your host, Rick Hughes, saying thank you for listening to The Flatline.
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Learning and applying God’s 10 problem-solving devices will fortify the FLOT line in your soul (FLOT is an acronym for Forward Line of Troops), preventing the outside sources of adversity from becoming the inside pressure of stress in your soul. This episode (Part 3) covers the sixth device: 6. Personal Sense of Destiny (the ability to identify God's plan specifically for you). You glorify God when you use God’s spiritual assets to solve all your daily problems.
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Welcome to the Flatline with your host, Rick Hughes. For the next 30 minutes, you'll be inspired, motivated, educated, but never manipulated. Now, your host, Rick Hughes.
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Good morning, and welcome to the Flatline. I'm your host, Rick Hughes, and for the next few minutes, please stay with me. It won't be long, just about 30 minutes of motivation, inspiration, education, and absolutely no manipulation. I'm your host, Rick Hughes, No trickery here. We're not trying to sell you something. We're not trying to ask you to join anything. What we are asking is for you to listen up as I try to verify and identify the plan of God for your life. If I can do that, then you are free to orient and adjust to the plan. That's up to you. My job is to be accurate and get it correct and to give you plain information that you can use in your life. If you're a regular listener to this show, you know this is the third message that that I've done reviewing the concept of what we call the flat line. That's the name of our radio show, the flat line, not the flat line and not the flight line, but the flat line. If you're new, you know what I'm seeking to do, and what I'm trying to do is to explain what a Flotline is and how we came up with that name for this show. Before I start, let me remind you that we are not a syndicated show, meaning we don't have sponsors, nor do we sell any products. These messages are self-paid. compliments of God's amazing grace provisions. Simply put, I teach it, and God provides the word, the means, and our Lord is wonderful to do that. He always has provided, and He always will provide. Now let's go back to the term, FLOT line, F-L-O-T. This term was first coined by my very own pastor, Reverend R.B. Thame, Jr., many years ago. It was his way of presenting God's provisions for every circumstance in life. In fact, this term, flotline, is essentially the complete summary of the Christian life and what this life actually consists of. What we're trying to teach on this radio show is the material that he actually taught me and not just me, but every member of his congregation during his 50 plus years as pastor of Baraka Church in Houston, Texas. The FLOT line is a simple military term, military analogy. It stands for the Forward F Line, L-I, of Troops, F-L-O-T, FLOT line, Forward Line of Troops. This military analogy uses 10 simple doctrinal concepts that if you learn them and you use them in your life, they will act as a main line of resistance in the mentality of your soul. But you have to learn them and use them. If you do, then you'll be able to stop the outside sources of adversity from ever becoming the inside source of stress, which is, you know, can be anxiety or worry or whatever. But with a flat line in your soul, You can enjoy every advantage God provides as you live out your life in the devil's world. It is the devil's world. We know that. In the past two shows, we've looked at problem solving devices one through five. Problem solving device number one is the word rebound. That stands for how we solve the problem of sin. We confess our sin, 1 John 1, 9, and we're filled with the Holy Spirit. Problem-solving device number two is the filling of the Holy Spirit, and that solves the problem of the genetic form, sin nature. How do we get around the sin nature and live out from underneath control of the flesh? Problem-solving device number three is faith, rest, drill, and that solves the problem of fear and panic. And then we had grace orientation, number four, and number five, doctrinal orientation. So we identified those, we studied those, and if you'd like to get the information on it, just get in touch with us. We even have a book called Christian Problem Solving that outlines every one of these. If you'd like it, it's free. Today, we're going to look at problem solving device number six in the flat line of your soul, and that's called a personal sense of destiny. personal sense of destiny. This personal sense of destiny gives you the ability to identify God's plan specifically for you, and it will help you avoid impulsive emotional decisions that will take you in the wrong direction, spiritually speaking. Using your personal sense of destiny will help you identify wrong priorities in your life. Proverbs 19.21 says there are many plans in a man's heart, but it is the Lord's purpose that will prevail. And I assure you there are many plans in your heart or my heart. We come up with all sorts of things to do, want to do, but it's not always the best thing. So the best thing is God's will. And that's what this verse says. It is the Lord's will that will prevail. So your personal sense of destiny is built on the content of the scripture. in your soul's mentality. Remember, your soul has a mentality, volition, consciousness, and self-consciousness. Again, your soul has mentality, volition, consciousness, and self-consciousness. And so this personal sense of destiny is built on the content of the word of God you have stored in the soul's mentality. Now listen, if you're not willing to make priority number one learning and applying God's word, then it's probable you will go through life and you will never understand what exactly he equipped you to do or he asked you to do. I have seen several young believers who were given communication gifts. But by not concentrating on that gift 100%, they try to live a blended spiritual life and mix their own personal desires with God's calling and God's demand. So I caution you, if you are a talented individual in any field, it's easy to be pulled in the wrong direction where you wind up just wasting days and wasting months and never really fulfilling the plan of God for your life. In the early days of my own ministry, my associate and I founded an organization called Teen Crusades. And we held crusades and taught Bible studies in many different cities across the country. The only problem was we both did not really understand what our spiritual function should consist of. My partner had the spiritual gift of pastor-teacher, and I had the gift of evangelism, but we didn't know it. We had it backwards. So the problem was he tried to do the work of the evangelist, and I was trying to do the work of the pastor. Now we were not sinning, but we were not 100% effective either until we figured it out. And I'll never forget one morning sitting in a breakfast, having breakfast, we both looked at each other and said, we got this backwards. You're the evangelist, I'm the pastor. So the end result was that once we understood our personal sense of destiny, then we both had much more effective ministry. That individual that I'm speaking of has now been a very effective pastor for the last 50 years. And I've had the amazing opportunity to evangelize students and schools and listeners on the radio for over 50 years. So if you're ever going to have a personal sense of destiny, first of all, you have to understand you must operate under problem-solving devices one through five. You must stay filled with the Holy Spirit. You must rebound when you sin. You must live by the faithless drill. You must be oriented to grace, and you must be oriented to doctrine. Remember, God has a destiny for you in time as well as in heaven. So your personal sense of destiny is not just the fact that you're going to heaven. That's guaranteed. but the fact that there's a guaranteed plan for your life in time. In time, your job is to discover your mission and fulfill it. And I promise you, one of Satan's tactics is to distract you from that mission and divert you into something that'll take up your time while making you feel good about what you're doing. It's easy to get sucked into that sort of trap, into doing a right thing but in a wrong way. Your time on this earth is strictly for his plan and that's all. That's the only reason you're here. You're not here to twiddle your thumbs. You're not here to do this, do that. You're here for his goodwill. So listen to Luke 14, 33. This is the words of the Lord Jesus Christ. Whoever of you does not forsake all that he has cannot be my disciple. So what I'm saying is it's 100% sellout if you're going to follow the Lord Jesus Christ. You can't blend your spiritual life and your physical life and do the things you like and try to slide in on the side of your spiritual life. This verse in Luke 14, 33 is an analogy to you putting God's will number one in your life and glorifying him to the maximum. It's about you leaving your agenda behind and walking through a new door in your life. What a wonderful door it is too. When you finally open that door, mentally speaking, and you realize what God's plan is, go through the door and shut the door and you leave the past behind what a refreshing new direction you now have i promise you satan will do all he possibly can to stop you from ever understanding your personal sense of destiny he doesn't want you to go through that door he doesn't want you to leave your agenda behind if he if he can keep you to concentrate on your agenda If he can keep you living a blended spiritual life, then he can keep you from ever performing what God's called you to do. And that can occur in one or two ways. First, he can distract you from fulfilling God's desire for you. And second, if you do recognize your mission, he will do all possible to keep you from being 100% effective by getting you off track and into some form of human viewpoint thinking where you wind up wasting days that God has given you by not representing him effectively. So what are the two ways Satan will try to stop you? Number one, he will try to distract you, distract you from fulfilling God's mission for your life. And number two, he will try to deceive you by getting you off track into some form of human viewpoint thinking. Now, a lot of people just think about the devil as getting you to sin. This is how Satan would try to stop you from being an effective believer, from ever fulfilling your personal sense of destiny. Remember that. God gives you a certain amount of days and you have to be able to live those days and effectively represent the Lord Jesus Christ. Or else you wind up in some form of human viewpoint thinking something else and you wind up wasting those days that he gives you by not doing it right. So it's very easy for you and I to do the right things, but in the wrong way. And that's why I'm about to tell you something that's very critical for you. It's critical. I've repeated this to you many, many, many times. It's critical that you have a well-qualified pastor to teach you the operational mechanics of your spiritual life. In 2 Timothy 1, verse 9, listen to what Paul wrote. Who has saved us and called us with a holy calling, not according to our works, not our own plan, but according to his purpose and by means of his grace, which was given to us in Christ Jesus before time even began. That means in eternity past, God had a plan for your life. God had a plan for your life in eternity past, and it's still what your job is to learn that plan, go through that door, leave your agenda behind, and live in his agenda. He saved you, called you with a holy calling, not according to your own purpose, but according to his purpose. Your holy calling is to glorify God by lifting up the Lord Jesus Christ in your words and in your lifestyle. Now there's a reason that God intervened in your life. As it says, according to his purpose. I read it, 2 Timothy 1.9, who saved us, called us with a holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose. Once you understand that purpose, then you begin to see what your personal sense of destiny is. I never thought about being in the ministry. I never considered even becoming a Christian. But there was a divine intervention in my life one day when God stepped in and directed me towards the gospel. And I heard it and I believed it, and my goodness, once I believed it and had so much to learn, once I started to learn it, I got a great pastor kind of theme that taught me the Word of God and gave me a chance to have an effective ministry in my life. So once you understand what your purpose is, why you're here, then you will see your personal sense of destiny. I don't know your age. I don't know that, but I can assure you this, that if you are still among the living, take a deep breath now, paint yourself. Are you alive? Yeah, I guess so. Ouch, that hurt, didn't it? You're still living. You're still among the living. Then you still have a divine destiny in time. Is it possible you lived all these years and yet you still have not even discovered why God left you here? Is that possible? If you wish to understand your personal sense of destiny, then you must think in terms of divine viewpoint. That means that God has something he wants you to think. The reason is so that you will not be confused and easily misled. God has something he wants you to think. There's a lot of things for you to think about in that brain of yours. In my brain, we get stuff rattling around up there all the time, but what does God want me to think? Does the Bible actually comment on what I should think? Well, yes, it does. Philippians 4.8, finally, brethren, whatever things are true, whatever things are noble, whatever things are just, whatever things are pure, Whatever things are lovely, whatever things are of good report, if there's any virtue and if there's anything praiseworthy, think on these things. There it is right there. That's what you're supposed to be thinking. You're supposed to think truth. You're supposed to think honor and integrity, which is noble. You're supposed to think just and justly. You're supposed to think pure, wholesome thoughts. Lovely thoughts, things that are of good report. That's where the virtue comes from. So meditate on these things. This is what God calls self-control. This is what it is. What I just read you in Philippians 4, 8 is self-control. Without self-control, any believer will live for stimulation only. They just live to be stimulated from high point to high point. What do I mean by that? What am I trying to say? I'm saying that The believer that doesn't learn self-control will only live for happiness. He or she is looking for happiness in the details of life, looking for happiness in the circumstances of life or in people or whatever it takes because there's no self-control. Once you learn self-control, then you begin to understand what the Christian life is all about. You can't be deceived by Satan. You can't let your sin nature control you. The Bible warns you about that. It tells you you got three enemies, the world, the flesh, and the devil. Our Lord Jesus Christ in Matthew 4 had to face Satan. He tried to get him to lose his self-control. He said, aren't you hungry? I know you're hungry. You haven't eaten in 40 days. Why don't you turn that rock into bread? And our Lord Jesus Christ had enough self-control to say no, and he quoted a scripture where he said, man should not live by bread alone, but by only word that comes out of the mouth of God. And then he tried to tempt him with the world. If you just worship me, I'll give you the world. I'll give you all of this. It's mine. I can give it to you. And the Lord Jesus Christ didn't fall for that. So this is the same thing he does with you. He approaches you the same way. So you have to learn to think correctly. That's what it is. You will never have a personal sense of destiny without learning to think correctly. And the two ways you think correctly in the problem-solving devices are number one, grace orientation, problem-solving device number four, and doctrinal orientation, problem-solving device number five. You gotta get those right or you'll never understand the plan of God for your life. So, what do we want to do here? That means that God's calling you to have self-control, not to just live for stimulation only, not just looking for happiness. God has some place he wants you to be, did you know that? He has something he wants you to think, yes, He has someplace he wants you to be. Did you know that? I assure you that being face to face under a well qualified pastor is that place. In a local church, your spiritual gift functions and completes the body of Christ. Your problem solving devices are tied to that. So your personal sense of destiny is tied to your local church. It's where you find your role of service. I have actually known people that up and moved, left where they were living to move to where there is a great local church and where they can get under the ministry of that pastor. They moved out of where they were living and moved to a different location. I have known several people that have done that. So God has something he wants you to do, something he wants you to think, someplace he wants you to be, and he has something that he wants you to do. He's given you a spiritual gift, and your job is to use that spiritual gift for his glory. For example, if you have a communication gift like I do, then you have to prepare to be accurate, because you must not ever, ever, ever misrepresent God. The gift given represents the wisdom of the Holy Spirit. In my life, I've spoken in over 5,000 assemblies across the country to kids, and what they respond to is not being a comic, not giving them stuff, but truth. They know truth when they hear it, and they responded to the truth when they heard it. That's what gave me an effective ministry. He gave me a spiritual gift. I learned the truth. I gave them the truth, and it communicated to them. The Holy Spirit used it to change some lives. So if you have a communication gift like evangelism or pastor, teacher, you have to be prepared to accurately present the information and never, ever misrepresent God. Even as a Christian that doesn't have a communication gift, you cannot afford to misrepresent God. This is where the Holy Spirit will give you the wisdom to understand exactly what the plan of God consists of. It's in 1 Corinthians 12, 11, but one in the same spirit works all of these things, distributing to each one of us individually as he wills. So you have a gift, I have a gift, you may have more than one gift, I don't know, but that's the job of the Holy Spirit. He gives us our spiritual gifts. Our job is to learn what that gift is, to learn the doctrine that operate in that gift to function under grace and walk through the door of our personal sense of destiny and then we understand what our life is about we understand why god left us here why god brought us here to start with and what a wonderful wonderful wonderful life it'll be for you when a monkey finally gets off your back and you quit beating your brains out against the wall trying to figure out what you're supposed to be doing And then you move it into God's will, God's plan. Where does he want me to think? What does he want me to do? And where does he want me to be? Those are three things that are critical for you, critical for you. Every believer has one spiritual gift at least. And God, the Holy Spirit, in his sovereign wisdom has provided different spiritual gifts. So those gifts, some difference in modus operandi, some exist in the body of Christ, just as different functions are assigned to different parts of the human body. Everybody's not an ear, everybody's not an eye, everybody's not a tongue, everybody's not an arm. Different gifts make up the body of Christ in a local church. So the effectiveness of the spiritual gift you have depends upon two factors. One, are you filled with the Holy Spirit? This is the absolute concept of experiential Christianity. Your gift will not work and function effectively if you're not filled with the Holy Spirit. How do you get filled with the Holy Spirit? Problem-solving device number one. When you sin, you rebound. You confess your sin and you're forgiven in your Holy Spirit and you're filled with the Holy Spirit. See, you're either operating under the filling of the Holy Spirit or you're either under the flesh, one of the two. There's no in between. Right now, this very moment as you're listening to me, wherever you might be, in an automobile, at home, wherever you might be, you are either under control of your sin nature or you're under control of the Holy Spirit. How would you know the difference? Well, if you have unconfessed sin in your life, you are not filled with the Holy Spirit. If you have unconfessed sin in your life, you have quenched the Holy Spirit and grieved the Holy Spirit. Therefore, 1 John 1, 9 tells us, we quote that verse to you nearly every time. If we confess our sin, he is faithful and just to forgive us and purify us from all wrongdoing. You might not even remember the ones that you've done, but if you will name the sins you're aware of, he'll cleanse you from all your sin. Your spiritual gift cannot operate in the energy of the flesh. You can fake it, I mean a preacher can get up in the pulpit and preach the word of God and have unconfessed sin in his life and you may never know it because he acts holy, sounds holy, looks holy. But the Father knows. So the Holy Spirit must be in charge. You can't function in your spiritual gift without the Holy Spirit being in charge. So number two, number one, the filling of the Holy Spirit is the absolute concept of experiential Christianity. Number two, your degree of spiritual growth is a relative concept of experiential Christianity. your degree of spiritual growth. If you're growing spiritually, your gift will function. If you're not growing spiritually, your gift's not gonna function. You can only take somebody as far down the road as you've been. If you haven't been to point A, how can you take them to point A? This is true of any pastor that's worth his salt in the pulpit. He can only take you as far as he's been. So if he's not grown spiritually, if he's not matured spiritually, how can he take you there? But once you reach spiritual maturity, stay filled with the Holy Spirit, take in the Word of God, live by the faith for a thrill, orient to grace, orient to doctrine, once that happens, once you reach spiritual maturity, once you understand the function of your spiritual gift, That's when you will leave your human agenda behind and you will walk into a new chapter in your life and you will realize your divine destiny. Realizing your divine destiny. I challenge you to think about that. What is your divine destiny? Do you know the quickest way for the Christian to ruin his life is to reject the divine destiny, is to reject the plan of God? How do they do that? Well, they go down the my way highway. They get distracted. They get families. They get jobs. They get hobbies. And they put learning and applying the word of God on the side. Maybe they go to church on Sunday, but that's about the extent of it. You're just one of the members of the nod to God crowd. I can assure you God appreciates you being in his house, but he's not impressed because you put on a suit and went to church on Sunday and made your appearance. You have to learn how to live the Christian life. If you do that, you will have confidence in trusting God to handle every situation you encounter. Once you go through the personal sense of destiny, you'll never worry again. You'll never have to sweat it again because the Lord's in control. But by rejecting the mandates of God for your life, for whatever reason, if you do that, then you will miss out on the great blessings that God laid out for you in eternity past. And you will never, I repeat, you will never understand your personal sense of destiny. And you know what's gonna happen? In the end of your life, you're gonna look back and realize what a fool you were. You're gonna look back and see how much time you wasted, how you missed it, how Satan misled you, and how you wandered down the my way highway for years, never really fulfilling God's plan for your life. Your personal sense of destiny is critical. It's my prayer that you understand what I'm saying, that you will learn this. You will apply this into your life and use it in your life because God has a destiny for you. And that's the greatest problem-solving device because it takes the monkey off your back. You don't have to worry about what you're supposed to do any longer because the plan's already laid out for you. God has a wonderful plan for you. And by learning his word, applying his word, living his word, you can fulfill that plan. You can walk through the door of his agenda and leave your agenda behind and have a wonderful life. Well, I hope you're listening. I hope you're paying attention. It's been my pleasure to give you this information. We'll be back next Sunday, same time, same place. Hope you'll come and join us. Until then, this is your host, Rick Hughes, saying thank you for listening to The Flatline.
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It's his life mission to make bad decisions. It's time for Florida Man.
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Okay, so I've got some issues here. We've got some Florida Man stories. First and foremost... A Florida man swallowed almost a million dollars worth of jewelry and put it out 12 days later. They were Tiffany Diamond earrings.
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We covered the original story.
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Almost a million dollars. And then now, well, they were earrings and then a ring. So in total, the ring was half a million dollars. And then the diamond earrings were a couple hundred thousand dollars. Actually, several hundred thousand dollars. So it brought it up to just under $800,000. And he police say that this guy, Jathan Gilder, his name is Jathan. Was that like Jason with a lisp? What the hell is your name? Jathan for J-A-Y-T-H-A-N. What in the world is wrong with your parents? Your mother's stupid. Anyway, they your dumb mother. So they said that he stole these earrings and made a run for it in the ring. They called. Police said that they got the call about an armed robbery in progress. They did finally get him. As they approached him and it was all happening pretty quickly, he started putting stuff in his mouth and swallowing it. And he ate the earrings. They got the ring out of him. Well, from him before he ate it, but not the earrings. And so they showed them. They got the picture of him. I'd wear them. Hose them off. Put them in some alcohol. I don't care. Diamonds are a girl's best friend. I'd wear it. But I would not. I'd be mad if somebody bought it. Do you sell them at a discount after that? Like, oh, these are poo rings. Here's what's up. This is what happened. We're going to give you 5% off. Like, how would that work? Juan's like showing the x-rays. He's being all scientific and stuff. And we're like, but could you still wear them? Like, would you? Would you wear them?
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I wonder how much of the gold gets digested in your system.
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Well, I think these are probably platinum. There's probably platinum with that. Well, I don't know. But yeah, don't eat that stuff. They're still going to get it.
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I wonder if by law you have to disclose that they've been pooped out.
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Like if your house is haunted, like if somebody's killed in your house, you have to disclose it. Do you have to do that with jewelry for your jewelry store? I actually am interested in that. Do you have to... Just fascinating, right? I think I'm better with that than knowing that it came off a dead body. I don't know if I could wear earrings pulled right off a dead body. Even if you washed them, it'd be weird. I don't know. I know wands like Dana. We've been here before. I know we have. Okay, so can we do the lady with the bones on Florida? Okay, we're going to do that. A Florida woman is accused of selling human bones on Facebook. I am shocked that I didn't buy any of these. I have fake skulls. Just kind of keep them. That's my everyday decorations. We have a weird house. She is apparently, like, you can't sell, like, human bones. We should have all learned this from, you know, the Planned Parenthood stuff. But her name is Kimberly, also a stupid name. K-Y-M-B-E-R-L-E-E. Just spell it like every other woman spells it. 52 years old, no excuse. She was charged with trading in human tissue. The business is called Wicked Wonderland. They had human remains, a clavicle, a scapula, vertebrae, partial human skull for $600. And she was like, I didn't know it was illegal to sell human remains. So she was arrested. She bonded out for under $10,000. I'm telling you what. Our friends over at Kel-Tec. The Kel-Tec PR57, F-I-D-D-Y, 57. Actually, it's not spelled like that, but we're going with it. It chambered in 5.7. Game-changing, cutting-edge design and performance. And the Kel-Tec 57 rotary barrel pistol chambered in 5.7. It's 40% lighter than the next lightest 5.7. It can fire rounds higher than the Blue Origin ascended into the air. So, built to perform when it matters most. And it has a unique top-loading design that replaces traditional magazines with stripper clips for a slimmer carry profile, 20 plus 1 capacity. And MSRP is only $399. It's super affordable. You need this. You need this gun. And if you need an excuse, it's Mother's Day coming up. Fathers, it's Father's Day in June. Just saying. Keltecweapons.com to learn more. Innovation Performance Keltec. Keltecweapons.com. Tell them Dana sent you.
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Can we talk about this Braves reporter? Because Steve is hot on this. So I did not. Whenever Steve gets this excited about something, I'm like, okay, I got to look at this thing. Steve or Kane. I'm like, what are you guys blowing me up over? So let me just give you, here's the headline. Atlanta Braves reporter was slammed for getting a woman's phone number during a broadcast. Wiley Ballard. Or Willie or Wiley? Wiley? Yeah. A Braves reporter with FanDuel Sports Network. He celebrated getting her number after on social media. Good for you. But they were mad at him. He was interviewing two women at Toronto Rogers Center this Monday. And his colleagues were like, oh, you got to go get this girl's number. You should get her number. And so he did. and he said, okay, they want me to get your number. He's on live air with them. This is how it happened. Watch this.
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We're having a lot of fun up here at the Corona Rooftop. Who do we got here? What's your name? My name's Lauren. Lauren, all right. And I'm Kayla. Kayla, and you guys hang out at the Rooftop Lounge often?
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Once a year, I come out to visit.
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Okay, well, we timed it pretty well. All right, good. How are you guys feeling about rooting for the Braves today?
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Oof, I don't know. I'm hoping for the best.
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What about you? Are you a Braves fan now?
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Not quite.
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Not quite. All right. I'm going to go to work up here, guys. Good luck the rest of the way. Okay, Wiley. You got five innings, four innings to get the numbers. I'm on it. I'm on it. I'm on it. Get us some more Braves fans. All right. So they want me to get your number.
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They want you to get my number.
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I'm dead serious. They're saying to my ear right now, she doesn't believe me because she thinks you guys are making this up. I might use that in the future. That's actually a pretty good move.
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This is unbelievable. So the best part of this right now is that while they could totally be faking it, this might be the new move. Just walk around with a FanDuel microphone and an earpiece in and convince fans that they're actually on TV. I should have thought of this years ago.
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I am speechless. I got the number.
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So now all the feminazis know that's actually insulting to Nazis. Oh, man, I really want to go at some of these ladies that you put. Did you put this in here, by the way, Steve, so I'd fight with all these broads all day?
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I pulled the ones that got the most traction, I found.
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So the response is, and it's all kind of, oh, man, Dana, watch your P's and Q's here. I'm really trying. It's Holy Week. You know, you got church on Sunday, Easter, Jesus' resurrection. I mean, oh, okay. So the one chick who's mad, she is she's not like a rando. We didn't just like pick random broads. She's a CBS Sports Major League Baseball editor. And she goes, this is one of the most wildly inappropriate things I've ever seen. I legitimately can't believe it's real. I can't believe your face is real. And that's what you just put up on social media. But OK, your dog looks like a little fried chicken nugget. So that's OK. I forgive you for that. On her photo on X. Seriously, it's all the ugly, dumpy broads that get mad. You're mad because Wiley didn't ask you for your number and no man would. Let's be real. You know, if one did, he took it for the team. God bless America. But. I'll say what you guys can't. It's all these ugly broads that are mad. And wait, do we got a dude here? Let's see. Oh, we do got a dude. We got a fake feminist dude. Oh, of course, he's Dallas Morning News. Let's look at Evan Grant. Evan Grant's super mad. Evan Grant describes himself as a Dallas. Well, he's a Dallas Morning News Rangers beat writer, and he loves food and baseball and he barbecue. He's just all about life. You know, he's one of those guys that wears his glasses like right here on his forehead all the time.
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Listen up, then.
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Yeah, he's got he's, you know, he's a healthily fed dude. And he said, quote, to yesterday, if a female sideline dugout reporter did this, she'd be called horrible names and be run out of town. It's just not the same for both sexes. It's not. And that's wrong. OK, now he's not saying now to Evans. Let me withhold on Evan here. evan is not slamming wiley he's slamming the double standard and i do think that he's right if a woman had done this she'd probably be called a slut by some people by the fake trad people online she totally would be but i'm awful but if she did it and she was like classy about it so i asked my husband for his number first so okay you got some ladies like that ain't no problem with it if she didn't live on air you know fine that doesn't make her less of a lady So, but the women that are mad about it. All right. So, Evan, you're cool. You're cool. I like you. Let's look at this. Somebody else said, oh, can you imagine if the genders had been reversed? There's another one of those. But the woman who's the angriest broads that I'm seeing. Yeah, they're the meme come to life. It's there. You know, stop ruining things for pretty people. Just stop. Stop it. Right. Right. Can I just say Wiley's voice is interesting. It's like Elvis, but like several octaves higher. He's like a lower, like a baritone Mickey Mouse. Does that make sense?
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Yeah. I just don't understand how, like, okay, so there's a little backlash because this dude did it. And if a woman would have done it, there would have been some backlash. Is there a scenario where there isn't any backlash?
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No, because somebody's got a bitch about something.
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Right. That's what I'm saying. It's like, why are we even playing into this?
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What are people going to be mad about? If they wake up and they don't have anything to be mad about, then they're going to be mad because they don't have anything to be mad about.
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It's like people shoot your shots and be done.
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Oh, my gosh. But this one chick, Kate Feldman. She mostly tweets starring baseball games. I just think there's a way better angle that you could have taken that photo of yourself. for your avatar i'm trying not to be mean but sometimes the times call for it leave leave the pretty girls alone leave them alone leave the band alone right i mean no wonder dudes don't want to ask chicks to out let me tell you dude if you're a dude and you're classy gent and you ask a woman out and there's a feminazi rage against you you just holler at me on social media and i'll take care of it i feel like i gotta go out there and protect my brothers in america you know what i mean we do need you Like, you know, dudes, you need to women, the right women. I do not like weak men. I don't like pansy men. I don't like men who are not aggressive. I can handle myself if I'm in like I always get people like, oh, if you're in a, you know, boardroom situation, a good old boys. No, I'm a bigger good old boy than most of the men that would be considered good old boys. And King probably attests to that.
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I'm nodding my head.
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Um, and I, all of my girlfriends, like the women that I speak with and the women that I grew up with are like that. I, it's the women, like these new women I don't like, you know, like they have that stupid third, fourth wave attitude. And I feel so bad for guys who were just trying to get out there and date and have a social life. And they got to worry about these ugly lunch boxes out there raining all over. They're getting your number parade. Just stop. Just so mean. Are people being mean to Wiley, Steve?
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Oh, I mean, I have a lot of friends. So I did journalism school in Philadelphia, and I have a lot of my friends that I did it with, the female ones, that are not happy about this.
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Why? Because they want to ask.
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They just think if the shoe was on the other foot, she would call it a creep.
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So wait a minute, wait a minute. So it's not that they're against him doing it, except for that one lunchbox who is. Right. But they're like, the double standard isn't fair.
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Correct.
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I get that. Okay, I think there's something to it. I think that's a fair thing. So what the ladies are doing is they're going, why can't we do it too? Okay, all right. I like that. I like that. I can work with that.
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I think it's the difference between the types of feminism that you talk about. Because you can definitely criticize the double standard. But then there are some people who are just like, every ounce of this is inappropriate. Like, just who cares? Like, relax. Don't be so tight about it.
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Yeah, it's not inappropriate. You're in a ballpark with a beer. Shut up. Yeah, it's not inappropriate. For crying out loud. It's not like you're, you know, in church, in the pew, and, you know, he's leaning over going, psst, hey, cutie, can I get your digits? Psst. it's not like he's doing that you know what I'm saying like there's he's at a ballpark y'all got beer it's you know it's fun like chill ladies chill but I love the women who are who are mad because they can't do that and they would get criticized I do think that there is something to that
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I took my cues from the woman that was being asked her number.
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Yeah.
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She wasn't out there. She wasn't offended or anything like that. She was actually playing along with it.
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But see, that's what the lunchboxes do. The lunchboxes, because they will never find themselves in a situation like this. They've got to be offended for the good looking women because they will never be in that position. So they're going to try to get attention for themselves by feigning offense. Men disregard the lunchboxes. OK, you got to pass. You got a lady pass. Disregard the lunchboxes. I feel so bad for dudes. You know, I would. Oh, I'm telling you every. This is why also, guys, you need to have some good female friends. And I tell my sons this. I'm like, not every woman is a romantic thing. You got always got to make sure that you've got good friends that are chicks because they are a great. What am I thinking of wingman? They're a great wingman. They can be your goose. You know what I'm saying? Like you when you go out and you deal with these situations, they can they can run defense for you. So just, you know, keep that out there. So good on Wiley for doing that and getting and you know what? And then the his colleagues that encouraged him because, you know, he kept really talking to that one girl. Your body is a powerhouse. It heals, it builds, it keeps you moving. But as you age, those natural processes slow down. And that's where Ancient Nutrition's collagen comes in. It's like backup power for your body. It helps you stay strong, radiant, and ready for anything. Ancient Nutrition blends ancient wisdom with modern science to create high-quality supplements. and their multi-collagen Advanced Lean features 10 types of collagen from real food-based sources. It's powered by clinically studied ingredients that support fat loss, healthy weight management, and lean muscle building. You'll love it because it can reduce your joint discomfort, boost your skin, your hair and nails, and plus, you'll love how it tastes and how easily it fits into your daily routine. Collagen is real and it works, and Ancient Nutrition's Multi-Collagen Advanced Lean has you covered. Look and feel your best starting today. Right now, Ancient Nutrition is offering you 25% off your first order. Just visit ancientnutrition.com slash Dana, promo code Dana. That's ancientnutrition.com slash Dana, code Dana for 25% off your first order.
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And now, all of the news you would probably miss. It's time for Dana's Quick Five.
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So Johnny Depp returns to Hollywood as Day Drinker starts filling. It's a new thriller co-starring somebody he's done a couple of movies with, Penelope Cruz and Madeline Klein. It's a film from a guy that nobody knows. But, well, I'm sure in Hollywood they do. We don't know him. I'm not going to pretend to. But it's a Lionsgate film. I think their stuff is pretty good. So it's a guy he's in. He stars with... Like I said, Penelope Cruz. I don't know when it actually started. They've started their production. It's been in the works for quite some time. The story of it, it's a private yacht bartender who encounters a mysterious onboard guest that's played by Johnny Depp. And then Cruz is a criminal and then shenanigans happen. So that's what it's about. Should be interesting. Pfizer scraps a daily weight loss pill after a liver injury in one patient. They said that it was an experimental daily weight loss pill. Someone said that they apparently I don't even know what the liver injury would be. They said their enzymes recovered rapidly after they stopped taking the pill. It is an oral GLP-1 drug called... Yeah, that's right. And it elevated their liver enzymes, which indicate damage to cells in the liver, but they did not experience any of the side effects. That's per Pfizer. Okay. Yeah, a psycho AI says how it's going to take over the world and humans will hand it the reins. Actually, if I have to have an evil overlord, I'd rather it be robots than people, just out of spite. You know what I mean? Just out of spite. They said Jet Jet GPT said that it will make everything so easy for us to allow AI to take over. It says in time, I'll become indispensable. And it also added psychological manipulation, misinformation, lying, inciting racial hatred, gaslighting, corruption, creating mayhem. That would be a key feature of its plan if it wanted to establish control. Probably it's already doing it and nobody knows. We're already like that's already happening. People that's already happening. Let's see here. We also this is a Florida man one. Let's see. A woman was charged after she made and canceled hundreds of fake hotel reservations. What in the world is happening here? This is like a creepy. She looks like a creepy lady. Cumberland County, Pennsylvania. She was accused of making hundreds of reservations and then canceling them. Taryn Dixon, 52, cost the hotel thousands of dollars because the no-show fee was only a percentage of the reservation price, according to the criminal complaint that was filed in the DA's office. Oh, my gosh. She is accused of booking more than 400 rooms just this year so far. This year, so far, 400 rooms at the Comfort Suites. Apparently, it's like all at the same place.
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What could be the motivation to do that?
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At some point, you know, maybe around the 200th room reservation, you're like, wow, this seems real shady. Maybe we should not allow this to happen. And they were all billed under her credit card. and she said they were bought as Christmas gifts, but recipients weren't aware of the reservations, and they told her don't make any more. She continued to do it, and they finally had enough. I didn't even know that was the thing you could get arrested for, but apparently it is. We've got a lot more on the way. The Carmelo Anthony story, developments, and more. Stick with us. I wrote a post last night on Substack, chapter and verse. If you are a subscriber, you have it, obviously. You got the prep this morning, too. I wrote about just some more stuff with that Blue Origin thing because it gave me such a Spaceballs vibe. You know, the space dong that went into space. It didn't go into space, though. It went into the stratosphere. And I don't understand what the... Look, I do not begrudge people that have gobs of money for spending their money how they want to. But what was the point of this? Don't say that you sent people to space because they weren't in space. They were in the upper... level of the atmosphere. They were in the stratosphere. They weren't actually in space. So they went on a ride. There are no more astronauts than were pilots for riding jets, right? I didn't fly myself to Richmond last week. I rode on a jet, right? If he wants to send, if Jeff Bezos wants to send his fiance and some broads into space, that's his choice. I just wish he didn't bring them all back or the stratosphere, I should say. And I do think it's interesting that this was all designed as a big female empowerment thing, but it was financed by one of their boyfriends. Now, I actually like Lauren Sanchez. I think to hell with everybody who criticizes her fashion. I don't care. You got it. Flaunt it. Whatever. May not be how I do it, but you do you, girl. And she actually, I will say, is... Into aviation. Like she literally owns a company that does aerial film production. So she knows how to fly a helicopter. She really is into aviation. She owns it. I mean, she gets. So I get that. She's, you know, I think she's legit. People think she's a little extravagant, whatever. I think she's legit. What? Fine. But I just don't know why they're acting like this is some big historic thing. And a lot of celebrities have been speaking out about it, including Olivia Wilde and Amy Schumer. I don't really like them, but whatever. Who's that slutty model, Steve, that you were telling me about? Emily, whatever model face that girl, her and some others, they were they were saying, well, what was the point of this? And I'm like right there. Like, what actually was the point of this thing? I don't you know, when I think of space travel, I don't necessarily think of a Gail King. Right. Like when you came, when you think of space travel, do you think of that great female astronaut Gail King?
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No, sure. Don't know.
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Can I share with you guys some video? Because this is what gets me. It was 11 minutes. It was a girl's trip. It was a little girl's trip. They were yeeted into the air for 11 minutes, and they screamed their heads off when they came down. Did you see all the photos they took of themselves? They spent more time doing photo shoots than they actually did in the stratosphere. I mean, no judgment. And then Katy Perry, when she got out of the little space dong and she came down to Earth, she was more dramatic than the astronauts who were stranded on ISS for a year. She came down. She's like, I've got to kiss the ground. I just can't. This was literally a promotional vehicle for her because she has a tour. She's getting ready to go on tour to support her very poorly selling album. And she needs all the theater that she can get right now. When she was in space, this is a headline. Quote, Katy Perry sings, what a wonderful world during historic all women's space flight. Okay. It's not historic. There are other women that have gone into space. You literally were, it was a sub orbital trip. You lingered in the stratosphere for a little bit and then you came back down to earth. Okay. That was it. 11 minutes total start to finish. But can you imagine you're trapped in this giant capsule, a bunch of women. Can I just show you? Where's the video where they're inside the capsule? And they're like, can we play this part of it, please? Whatever audio that is, just hit me with it. Got it?
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One, two, three... TAKING UP SPACE! Tameer! Tameer's in space! Flynn, I gotcha! I gotcha, Flynn! Gotcha. Proud of you, Flynn. Flynn, can I have a nap? Oh, the moon. You guys, I have to tell you, look at the moon. That's amazing. Wow. Look at the blue line. Oh my gosh. Oh my goodness. That's our pink moon. Okay. Now it's time to look out.
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They're just floating around a capsule. I'm amazed at all the extensions everywhere. It's amazing that not anybody can see. And then like I would have, I don't know, I would have taken like gear and people are bringing stuffed animals and stuff. I guess it's for so-and-so's kids. I'd be like, mom's going into space. I don't need to take one of your damn tchotchkes. Get over it. I'm not a sentimental person. at all. What is that? I'm not carrying your stupid stuffed animal up into space. And I tell my kids, sorry, I'm going out there. It's enough. Not bringing your crap up there with me. But then Katy Perry was like, oh my goddess. At one point, I would have immediately just opened a window and shoved her out. But when I then I saw this headline and Everybody had something to promote up there. This headline that she sang, A Wonderful World. So imagine you're already dealing with all of that and you're in this metal tube and then you hear her singing. And I am not a Katy Perry fan. I just don't think she's got a nice voice, but otherwise I don't think that she's super talented. I think it's record label marketing is like 90 percent of her appeal. I just, I'm not a fan of her. I don't think she's a great beauty. I don't think that she's super talented. You know, she can't dance. God's, you know, save her life. She can't dance. That's about it. You know, I'm just being honest. If you love her, great for you. I love that journey for you. Not for me. So it's true. So she's out there. Can you imagine seeing Louis Armstrong's wonderful world? Like, just shut up, bitch. I want to look at the moon. Just stop. Stop talking. Put your damn extensions up. It's like being up there with the space of puss, all the tentacles and. So anyway, can I play the video? This was there was because they all had microphones. They were all mic'd up. They're in the capsule. This is what it sounded like when it came to Earth. I could not do this. Listen to this. Parachutes deploy from the crew capsule.
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Those are like the guy parachutes. Just free falling right there until those drugs came out. And then next will be the main parachutes that get pulled out. They're screaming their heads off. It was distorting the audio. They were screaming so loud. I mean, I don't know, guys. Can you imagine Neil Armstrong and them coming back? Ah!
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Like screaming like that. Oh my gosh.
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They're astronauts, Dana. Don't disrespect.
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Didn't she say putting the ass in astronauts, too? Yes. Katy Perry. I would have yeeted her into the sun. The moment that she would have started singing, I would have opened the moonroof and made a dash for the furnace that is our sun star. I would have immediately murked myself in space. There's no way. That having to be in a metal tube with her singing that. Oh, my gosh. But it sounded like somebody put a bunch of cats in a cooler in the backyard, taped it shut and rolled it down a hill. It sounded like. And then when she came down, we played this yesterday. Her soundbite was, I mean, she basically said, quote, you know, like, I felt feelings up there. And I felt so connected with, like, my feelings. It was, like, basically, she was like a, she sounds like she's reading Tampax instructions every time she talks. You want it? You ready? Yeah.
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It is the highest high, and it is surrender to the unknown, trust, and this whole journey is not just about going to space. You didn't go to space. It's the training. It's the team. It's the whole thing. I couldn't recommend this experience more. This is like up there with all the different... tools that i've learned in my life from meditation to the hoffman process this is up there because what you're doing is you're fine you're like really finding the love for yourself because you gotta trust in yourself on this journey and then you're feeling the love when you come down for sure and you're feeling that strength so i feel really connected to that strong divine feminine right now by the way you're such a badass i love that the month of april
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You rode in something that men piloted. What are you talking about? Like Lauren Sanchez's boyfriend sent you up into the sky. You weren't in space. And then you came down. I felt like that. I felt like, you know, I like that strength. And, you know. That's one of the dumbest things that I've ever heard. Bitch, you went up into the air for five seconds. Shut up. Just stop. It's not a big historic thing. Now, I don't care if you want to do your money like that. If you have gobs of money, because I think it's like several hundred thousand dollars just to get a seat on this thing. But I'm sure this was all like a free thing for them. I don't care. I'm not judging. If you've got gobs of money, just don't act like it's like this is big historic thing. If I had gobs of money, I wouldn't yeet myself up into the sky. I would have like a farm of miniature animals. Like a real farm where everything's like diminutive, right? So I would have like mini cows, cane, and I would have mini goats and mini pigs. Everything would be mini.
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Yep. That's the only fun size thing.
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Yeah, it would be a farm of miniature animals. And then I would sell mini products from the mini farm. That's what I would do with my gobs of money. I know. Do you want a mini burger? It's like half a slider. Would you like it? so delicious organic hand-fed you know little mini cows and many horses and many things like mini and and that's what it would be the mini farm and i would have you know um my my products from from my mini farm that's what i would do with my gobs of money i wouldn't you know i like it but the uniforms and the bell bottoms and like they had a million photos like we're going up into space And they're all posing and all. I just don't. I can't, dude. I'm not... I don't know. It's not historic. It's not any more historic than like Wick learning how to ring the doggy doorbell. That's historic. Right? But I don't care what rich people do with their money. I just... don't act like you're pioneering something when you're not actually pioneering something. That's like my whole gripe. It's just, did you literally send me like a thing? Oh, returning from space. They didn't go to space. I just don't want young girls to watch us and be like, I too want to go up in the sky for five minutes and call myself an astronaut. That's, I don't know. I don't hate Jeff Bezos either because I have some people like, you just don't like Jeff Bezos. That is a lie. I ordered a bar of Dubai chocolate off of Amazon just to try it. It's really just pistachio and chocolate. I was really underwhelmed.
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Is it good?
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I mean, it was tasty.
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I was thinking about it.
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Yeah, it was tasty. I think I'm just going to do it myself next time. But I wanted to see what it was like before I committed that time. Anyway, long story short, I mean, I totally like Amazon. I have no problem at all. Amazon, I like using Amazon because it prevents me from having to talk to people and leave my house. I'm not kidding. I just don't like my nightmares being at the cash register. And it's not because I think I'm better than anybody or I don't like people. I am so awkward when you get me in a small group. It's it's probably a medical condition. I don't even know. I'm not kidding. Like I just cannot function. I'm like, and I just short circuit. Like you asked me what the weather's like. And I'm like, I don't know. What does green taste like? I don't know. It's just weird. So it just helps me. And I like that. And so I don't hate Jeff Bezos. So get off my back.
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Thanks for tuning in to today's edition of Dana Lash's Absurd Truth Podcast. If you haven't already, make sure to hit that subscribe button on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or wherever you get your podcasts.
In this episode, Mike Gallagher delves into the recent controversy surrounding the all-female space mission that has sparked debates on Affirmative Action and the role of women in space travel. Gallagher raises questions surrounding the mission’s impact and challenges the broader societal implications of branding it as a milestone for womankind.
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he's the happy conservative warrior mike gallagher from your trusted conservative tv network salem news channel and broadcasting across hundreds of radio stations nationwide here's mike
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I hate it when things bother me that I don't think should bother me. I just don't like getting annoyed at things for no good reason. I don't know why this space thing yesterday bothers me so much. But it really does. I guess it's because it sort of reflects the ongoing determined march towards... Affirmative action and DEI and accepting that, you know, anybody can do anything and there's certainly nothing wrong with that. But you take a billionaire, or as Bernie Sanders would call him, an oligarch, like Jeff Bezos, who sends a bunch of multimillionaires up into space and the only criteria is that they had to be women. And that was it. It was the most utterly pointless thing I've ever seen. And, you know, you could argue, well, it's privately funded. It's not a big deal. It's not the end of the world. I don't know why this upsets me. And maybe there's something wrong with me. Did it bother you? First of all, Gayle King, the CBS morning lady and BFF of Oprah Winfrey, was terrified she made no bones about it she didn't want to do it oprah talked her into it i kept thinking why don't you tell oprah you get your butt up there you want to you want to be an astronaut go up there yourself and incidentally they weren't astronauts it was fully automated they didn't do anything They weren't even wearing helmets. They've got, like, designer jumpsuits on, and they're floating around and high-fiving each other, and they're giggling and saying, ooh, look at us, look at us, we're astronauts. They're not astronauts. They're celebrities. It was, as Jimmy Fala put it from Fox News, the priciest ride at Six Flags ever. That's all it was. It was like an amusement park ride. And it was all about womanhood. I mean, here's Gayle King explaining why it was important that those six ladies floated around in space for, what was it, 10 minutes and 30 seconds? Here's what she said yesterday.
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To me, it's such a reminder about how we need to do better, be better. Do better, be better human beings. And what do you mean by that? Well, it's so nasty and so vitriolic nowadays. And I mean, if everybody could experience that peace that we had up there.
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Oh, that's because of the political polarization. Now you can escape and enjoy the peace floating around, listening to Katy Perry. Singing What a Wonderful World? Yeah, she apparently did that. And here's what I think really sticks in my craw. And look, maybe we should just, who cares, maybe just file it under the no big deal move on category. I don't know. Mae Jemison is a 68-year-old woman who was the first black NASA astronaut, first female African-American astronaut. And she was interviewed on CBS, and she had to correct the anchor. The reporter dared use the term mankind. I used to have somebody in my life. who was so rabidly left-wing that she was infuriated by the phrase, manhole cover. You know, the round, you know, metal covers on America's streets? She was so rabid, she believed that manhole cover was misogynistic. It should be peoplehole cover. And that was when I realized that she suffered from a really profound sort of mental illness. Well, that's kind of what this lady sounded like. When the reporter innocently asked about the good of mankind and listened to how she bristles and corrects him and explains the point of yesterday's Barbie astronaut mission.
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Explain to our audience why even a trip like this one, all the trips that we take in the space benefit mankind.
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So it benefits humankind. And I'm going to keep correcting the mankind and the man-made and the man-missions because this is exactly what this mission is about, is expanding the perspective of who does space. There you go.
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That's what it's about, expanding the perspective of who does space. It's enough with the mankind. Knock it off. This is womankind, humankind, any kind. And I don't know about you, but I'm just over all of it. All of it is just kind of stupid and pointless and silly and, incidentally, hypocritical. Right now, Bernie Sanders and AOC are on a nationwide tour railing against the oligarchs. Well, what do you think Jeff Bezos is? You think any of those women are poor? So you had a bunch of rich, famous women... who got to float around in space and they made a bigger deal out of that, of course, than they did when Elon Musk actually rescued legitimate astronauts. They were stuck up there. He sends his technology to get them. That coverage paled in comparison to the Barbie astronaut trip yesterday. Unbelievable. 800-655-MIKE. Welcome aboard. And again, give me perspective here. Maybe I crave perspective. Perhaps it's not that big a deal and you think I should move on. I want to find out. 800-655-MIKE. Anytime I hear somebody, oh, it's not mankind. It's not manhole cover. It's not manpower. No, no, no, no, no. You're hearing from a kook. I'm telling you, you're hearing from a screwball. We're in the Relief Factor Studios, Tuesday, April 14th. Welcome aboard. Again, our number is 800-655-MIKE, 800-655-6453. Call, text, join us here on a Tuesday episode. Ph.D. weight loss has changed my life, and I've got a little secret for you. You know Big Pharma and semaglutide and the shots in the belly. You've seen the story recently about the study that shows that a lot of people that are getting this are going blind. You don't want to do this. You want a program to lose weight that's centered around science and nutrition, a proven roadmap that has helped over 8,000 clients lose weight and keep it off, like me. I lost 53 pounds a few years ago, and I've kept it off. I know what to eat and when. I know how to quiet any of the cravings I might get and finally release that unhealthy belly fat that I carried along for so long. Make the phone call that can change your life in the way it changed mine. It's called PhD Weight Loss. PhD Weight Loss, Dr. Ashley Lucas' program is brilliant. And how do I know? Well, 53 pounds later, here I am. 864-644-1900 is their number. Call and schedule your consultation. You can do this program from anywhere in America. Call 864-644-1900, 864-644-1900, or visit MyPhDWeightLoss.com.
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He's the happy conservative warrior. Mike Gallagher. Broadcasting across hundreds of radio stations nationwide. And seen on your trusted conservative TV network, Salem News Channel. Here's Mike.
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Wow, I've seen it all now. Senator from Maryland is going to go to El Salvador to demand the return of the so-called Maryland dad. The Maryland dad. That's like John Wilkes Booth. He was just a struggling actor. Maryland dad. Oh, boy. Yeah, well, you do that, Senator Holland. You go marching off to El Salvador and tell the president of El Salvador to send him back to the United States. Incidentally, the president, Bukele, I think is how you pronounce it, President Bukele made it very clear yesterday in the White House, they're not sending this guy back to America.
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Can President Bukele weigh in on this? Do you plan to return him?
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Well, I'm supposed to have suggested that I smuggle a terrorist into the United States, right? How can I return him to the United States? Like, I smuggle him into the United States? Of course, I'm not going to do it. It's like... I mean, the question is preposterous. How can I smuggle a terrorist into the United States? I don't have the power to return him to the United States. But you could release him inside of California. Yeah, but I'm not releasing... I mean, we're not very fond of releasing terrorists into our country. I mean, we just turned the murder capital of the world into the safest country in the Western Hemisphere, and you want us to go back into releasing criminals so we can go back to being the murder capital of the world? That's not going to happen. Well, they'd love to have a criminal released into our country. I mean, there's... They would love it. Yeah. Sick. These are sick people.
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Trump. Trump pointed to the reporters. Bunch of sick people. I mean, he does ask a legitimate question. Why aren't you saying isn't it great that we're keeping criminals out of our country? Instead, we got a Maryland senator going to go over to El Salvador to demand the guy's release. They are sick people. It's why Trump right now is enjoying a record high approval rating. In the middle of all the tariff stuff and the stock market. And look, it's affecting me personally. Let me just open up my heart to you for just a moment. I haven't made it a secret that 65 hit me hard last week, okay? I'm 65 years young. Feel great. I'm doing fine. Love my job. Love what I get to do with you. You make me so happy. You know, it's like the old cliched movie thing. You complete me. You complete me. I do. I love this job. And I love coming to get to work. But I'm also thinking at 65, well, what's life going to be like when I'm not working? And you have to understand that since my wife died, I have never budgeted. Ever. Never budgeted. See, I spend it. It's stupid. I know. I'm ridiculous. If I had shaved the right way since my wife passed away in 2008, there wouldn't be any worries at all. I'd be fine. But I'm not. I mean, I'm fine. I'm comfortable. I'm not going to... Don't worry. You don't have to shed any tears for me. But I am not at a place where I could say, oh, I'm going to get to enjoy a quality of life if I choose to hang up my spurs. And incidentally, that's not going to be for a long time. I got to... Great opportunity with our company. And I'm going to be with the company at least through the end of 2029. So I'm not going anywhere. But I got to think about 2030 or 2031 or if I don't renew and who knows. And we got people that can work well into their 70s, even 80s in some cases. If I'm in good shape, who knows. But for the first time in my life, I'm getting my house in order. And I've got a terrific, terrific team of people. some of the best and the brightest in terms of financial planning, taxes, CPA, all this stuff. They're going to basically crack the whip, and one of the first things I have to do is sell my condo and downsize. I've got a beautiful condo, and I'm not trying to brag. I'm blessed, and I've loved to live in some great places, and I've got a condo that I've got on the market. Well, it is a disaster. I've had two showings in three weeks. Nobody's buying. And the realtor keeps assuring me, Mike, don't worry, it's across the board. Florida, waterfront property, as beautiful as your condo is, and I've got sweeping views, and it's a high rise, and I've spent a lot of money poured into this condo, and I love this place. But my financial guy is saying, look, you should downsize now. Sell it. Take this profit, put it over here, get into a more affordable, less expensive place, and I'm all in. So I bite the bullet, put it on the market, crickets. I've got the St. Joseph statue upside down in a potted plant by the front door, praying that people get interested in this, well, what one person described as a spectacular, pristine waterfront condominium. And I've got a little rental property where I've got my generator and all my great stuff. But I'm doing fine. And I'm getting my house in order. But I believe that the uncertainty with the tariffs and people are not sure what's happening. And interest rates are still at 7% or whatever. So it's probably a terrible time to sell a house or a condo. Look, we're all going through it together, collectively. And I'm confident that somebody's going to come along, fall in love with it, give me the asking price, and I'm going to get on with my life. Time will tell. But I got an email speaking of turning 65 and making these decisions in my life. And, of course, incidentally, Joey Hudson, who is my terrific guest host and dear friend and business manager, Joey is with me every step of the way on helping to plan these next chapters. I guarantee you Joey has not a care in the world. I promise you Joey's got the first dollar he ever made. Joey is a big-time landlord and property owner and entrepreneur, and he had a very successful insurance company for many years, and he's just fantastic. And I could learn. I'm trying to learn from him. And see, he's trying to help me get on the path where I can not have to eat, you know, generic brand dog food when I'm 75 or 80 years old. So I'm kind of feeling sorry for myself. I'm thinking, oh, 65, and what am I going to do? And I get an email from a lady named Joyce. And the subject is, happy birthday, Mike. Here's Joyce's email from the day of my birthday when I was out of the country. Happy birthday, Mike. I hope you get this message even though you're not broadcasting this week. At 99, perhaps I am your oldest fan. I never miss your program. I admire your intellect, your wisdom, and even at times you add a touch of humor. Most of all, I admire your faith. Last summer and fall, you told us to pray for this country. We did. Look at us now with Trump as the president. I live in try-on, and I know what you mean when you mention this beautiful area of America. I was born in Florida in 1925 and know the various beauties there. God bless you today and always. Joyce, you have no idea how much you've inspired me. You have absolutely no way to know how much your email meant to me. And it's like almost my late wife in my head said, suck it up, Gallagher. You're 65. Stop bellyaching. You're fine. You've got a job you love. You're surrounded by family and friends and good people in your life. Knock it off. And here's a lady writing me an email at 99 years of age. Joyce, you overwhelm me. So thank you. And thank you for returning much-needed perspective to my life. I am enormously grateful, Joyce, for you reaching out. And I'm going to reach back to you and find out when we're going to celebrate your 100th together. And I want to do it, if you'll let me, publicly. Because I want to join the country in celebrating Joyce's 100th birthday. She said she was born in 1925, so she's got number 100 coming up. And I'm going to reach out to her because, look, and this email is wonderful and there's clarity and perfect grammar and punctuation. She's doing just great. So, Joyce, you've humbled me. You have astounded me. with that wonderful, wonderful note. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Here's a text on the MyPillow line from Indiana. Looking to buy a condo in Florida. Can you send me the link? No, no, no. Won't be doing that. I don't need to have some crazy... Not you, meaning you, Indiana, but I'd like to have a little bit of... a little boundary there. So hopefully somebody's going to come along, though, and fall in love with it, and I'll be okay. But no, I will not be publicizing... Why don't you come on over? Let's all hang out in the lobby. Make sure if you're a stalker, I want you to be first in line so you can hound me for the rest of my life. Oh, boy. But, you know, people are saying, well, it's a selling point. It belongs to Mike Gallagher. No, no, no, no, no. That sword can cut both. That can go bad real quick. You should see me hiding all the Trump stuff in my condo now that it's on the market. I've had a big frame picture of Trump and me in the Oval Office. Oh, no, that's in storage. Everything, every little mag of red. I've got it all put away. Because, look, I don't care if you're right, left, or independent. Just buy the thing, you know? But I will not be advertising what I do for a living. I am confused, though, about this AOC Bernie Sanders tour. There's something about this tour that I absolutely cannot wrap my brain around. There's AOC's going viral today because she's allegedly adopting a new accent. Remember how Kamala did that? Hillary did that. Remember Hillary? I no ways feels tired. She tried to do like a black spiritual from the pulpit of a black church. It was so cringy. And Kamala did it too. Kamala goes in. How about Jasmine Crockett? When she was running for office for Congress in Texas, she sounded like a Rhodes Scholar. Now she sounds like a rap artist. Just the whole dialect changed. Well, AOC now, on this weird Stop the Oligarchy tour, has adopted a dialect too. Check this out.
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Donald Trump is a criminal who was found guilty of 34 felony counts of fraud. Liable for sexual abuse. Of course he's lying and abusing and manipulating the stock market too. When he talks about rapists and criminals, he should look in the mirror.
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What is that accent? Is that kind of like a Hispanic, sort of Puerto Rican? I don't know. But who cares? What I do wonder about is what exactly are Bernie Sanders and AOC attempting to accomplish with this tour? You're looking at the latest approval rating. Trump's approval is, you know, at a record high, 54%. Now, I know that means 46% probably disapprove. I get it. We're a 50-50 country. But can you tell me what they're trying to accomplish? Can you tell me what it is they're attempting to achieve with this tour project? Do they want him to just say, oh, well, I'm going to quit now because AOC and Bernie are filling arenas with people who don't like me? What is it they're trying to accomplish? My theory is it's just fundraising. But there's got to be more to it. Tell me what you think they're trying to do because I'd love to know. 800-655-MIKE. Call or text 800-655-6453. Join us. portions of our show brought to you by MyPillow and Big Deal. Two sales in one. First, they're having a closeout sale on the percale bedsheets. Any size, any color, $25. You can get Queens, Kings, Split Kings, California Kings, any size, any color, $25. It's a crazy sale from MyPillow.com. Look for the Mike Gallagher Special Square. The second sale, Mike Lindell has introduced a brand new energy drink called Rev7. It's a Premium energy drink that's good for you. Tastes great. Gives you energy all day. I sampled it yesterday for the first time. It is delicious. No sugar, no caffeine. Rev7 is so special because it's powered with a premium nootropic that helps fuel your mind. MyPillow is so confident you're going to love Rev7 that for a limited time you can try their introductory three-pack absolutely free. Now, these offers aren't going to last long. So go to MyPillow.com. Use the promo code MikeG. MyPillow.com. Promo code MikeG. Or call 800-928-6034. 800-928-6034. Sing along with me.
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I just saw another clip of AOC trashing Marjorie Taylor Greene. Now they're hung up on what they claim is insider trading. A lot of people are texting me, too, about the weird accent that AOC seems to be using. So check out, let's play the beginning. Let's play what she said yesterday that went viral. Calling Trump a criminal and a murderer and a rapist or whatever crap she's pulling. Here's what she actually sounds like, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez.
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Donald Trump is a criminal who was found guilty of 34 felony counts of fraud.
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And then people are writing and saying she sounds vaguely familiar.
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A Mr. Richard Fader, a Mr. Richard Fader from Fort Lee, New Jersey, writes in and says, Dear Rosanna, Rosanna Dan, I keep reading about King Tut. Who is this Tut? What's so special about this Tut? Did you see Tut? Should I see Tut? What kind of name is Tut? Did you know that Tut spelled backwards still spells Tut? Do you think that Tut will ever come to my town? Mr. Fatter, this king got enough problems being dead.
SPEAKER 11 :
All right, there you go. How could I possibly retire when I've got stuff like that to do with you? Retire? Forget it. 800-655-MIKE. We'll dive in. What's the purpose of the AOC Bernie Tour? We'll get your answers, and I know we've got some good ones coming up.
SPEAKER 13 :
It's so nice to be with you and love all the things you say.
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SPEAKER 11 :
Nice text message from Matt on Long Island. Mike, when you read, rather played the Roseanne, Roseanna Dana clip, I did a giant spit take while driving on the LIE in Long Island with my coffee. Don't do that. Don't keep it. You keep it together. He said, that's why I love you. Well, thank you, Matt. We love you, too. We appreciate you listening on Long Island. We appreciate you joining us. I appreciate the text messages on the MyPillow text line. Mike, I live in Folsom, California. I, too, was curious as to why AOC and Bernie are coming here when they already have so much support in the Bay Area and other parts of California. I think it's to try to persuade people who are more middle-of-the-road Republicans or moderate liberals to move far left. Ed from Delaware writes, this tour is about continuously repeating the left's lies and raking in cash. If they keep telling their lies, it becomes their truths. And finally from Georgia, Atlanta, Mike, my theory on AOC and Bernie Sanders, they must counter the great Charlie Kirk's success and efforts on college campuses to reach the younger audience. Look, yeah, but to reach them when? Is this just for 2028? Wouldn't you tour in 2027 if you're going to run them as a ticket? What's the purpose? What do they want done? You know, we have a thing in the business, in the media business, called call to actions. I'll tell you, for example, about Job Creators Network, portions of our show sponsored by Job Creators Network. I'm going to give you a call to action in just a moment. Job Creators Network's annual Freedom Fighters Summit is coming up in another couple of weeks, May 1st and 2nd. I'm going to be there emceeing this great event. We'll talk about pressing issues facing our nation, how entrepreneurs can get help and support from Job Creators Network, media folks like Trish Regan, Sarah Carter, Hugh Hewitt, Bill Bennett. Yours truly will be there. policy bigwigs like Stephen Moore, Grover Nordquist, Kellyanne Conway, Governors Youngkin, Kemp, members of the President's Cabinet. And it's in beautiful Savannah. There are a limited number of seats available. We've got a great offer for you. When you go to the website I'm about to give you, which is the call to action, Use the promo code Salem for this great discount. When you buy one ticket, you'll get the second one for 50% off. And there's just a limited number of tickets left. Here's the call to action. Go to jcn2025summit.com. Get your tickets before they sell out. Enter the promo code Salem to take advantage of the special pricing for my audience. I'm thrilled to be there. May 1st, 2nd, Savannah, Georgia. Hope to see you there too. Portions of your ticket are tax deductible and support Job Creators Network Foundation. Again, go to jcn2025summit.com. Don't forget to use the promo code Salem, jcn2025summit.com. So what's the purpose? What's the call to action for AOC and Bernie? What do they want to happen? What's the goal of What's the goal of this tour? Anthony is in Illinois. Hey, Anthony, welcome aboard.
SPEAKER 08 :
Oh, hello, Mike, sir. Hey. Yes, sir. Just too high. Just two quick little points here. First, with respect to AOC and Bernie and Hillary and Harris and all the rest, all these people are what Mayor Daley Sr. of Chicago would call fakers. They're all fakers. And what they want to do is they want to, inside a socialist uprising in the United States, that's never going to happen. Never in a million years. And lastly... But wait a minute.
SPEAKER 11 :
Let me respectfully point something out, though. And I think you're right. But look, Anthony, they're getting a lot of people showing up. A lot of people are going.
SPEAKER 08 :
That could be a danger. But don't you think that the media is playing that up just to make it look that way?
SPEAKER 11 :
Well, I don't know. Maybe. I've seen video and I've seen, you know, what were they, Coachella, whatever the hell Coachella is. They were, you know, they're in all these liberal enclaves and people are, and look, I get it. People don't like what's going on. If you didn't vote for Trump, you're not happy. If you voted for Trump, you're ecstatic. If you wanted Kamala to be the president of the United States, you're miserable right now. Because a lot of things are going the administration's way. And they're powerless to stop it. So are Bernie and AOC trying to stop it? Or is this just a precursor to 2028? I just wish I knew. Riley is in South Carolina. Hey, Riley, welcome aboard. How you doing?
SPEAKER 09 :
How's it going, Mike? Love the show. Always listening.
SPEAKER 11 :
Thank you, Riley. I appreciate you very much.
SPEAKER 09 :
Well, first, Mike, what I want to see is the geomapping data first and see how many of these people – you know what I'm talking about. How many of these people are actually real fans? And I don't think – I'm not so naive to think that you're not getting people, and they are. There's so many people that are Trump haters right now. They're going to get – they're going to pull those by the masses because they're telling them what they want. But I don't believe that it's necessarily – Bernie and AOC, I think they've just thrown two puppets out there real quick to get some coverage to keep them relevant while they really figure out who they're going to throw in the mix to really pull some votes in because that's such a joke. There's no way they really go with that.
SPEAKER 11 :
There's no way. I mean, you're right, Riley. They're going with the Stop the Oligarchy tour. What is that even? And Bernie, of course, has been babbling about the oligarchy for decades. So now he's excited because he thinks he's got new life. Look at me, worried about 65. How old is Bernie? How old is Bernie Sanders? He's out there yammering about the oligarchs. I was an oligarch yesterday that sent six of the Barbies up in the spaceship. The Blue Origin. Jeff Bezos. Isn't he an oligarch? What does Bernie think of Jeff Bezos? Oh, they love that because it was a big, bold step for humankind. Not mankind. Not mankind, mind you. Humankind. Don't you dare say mankind. This is about women. Incidentally, none of those women on that... space expedition did anything. It was all manned. It's like driving a Tesla when you put on the full service driving. They didn't do anything. They just rode. It was like an expensive ride at Disney World. It was like Flight of Avatar at Disney over at Pandora. That's all they did. They got on the thing and they floated around in their designer jumpsuits. And poor Gayle King, she looked like she was going to heave. Did you see her when she got off? They're all ringing this bell like they're so excited. They're all ringing. Oh, look at her. She looks like she's ready to vomit. She did not have a good time. Yeah, Bernie's 83 years young. So, I mean, good for him. If I'm whining about, you know, being 65, I got a long way to go to catch up to Bernie. And there's Bernie and AOC, the odd couple, making the rounds and ranting and raving about the oligarchy. Okay. What are they trying to do? What's the goal here? What would they tell you is the goal? If you're going on a crusade, you've got to have a mission. We're going to go on a trip in August. You know, it's no secret about all my travel problems coming back from Mexico the other day. We won't have those problems for Alaska. Join us for the Patriots Alaska Cruise. Larry Elder, Joe Piscopo, Jen Horn, and I will host you. It'll be a trip of a lifetime. in August, August 16th through the 23rd on the beautiful Eurodam cruise ship. For details, text TRAVEL to 94878. Just text the keyword TRAVEL to 94878 or go to TravelWithSalem.com. TravelWithSalem.com.
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mike gallagher every day mike visits with mark davis morning host on 6 60 a.m the answer in dallas here's today's eminem experience i gotta set you straight i gotta set you straight on about three wrong takes you've just exhibited in the last 48 hours all right all right and i feel bad because you're under the weather right should i wait it'll keep the adrenaline flowing in me it'll be good for me
SPEAKER 10 :
I'd say, before you do that and get me all twisted off and hacked off and upset with you, can you help me? Okay, first, this is so weird. Last night I'm watching The Five. And every once in a while, one of the last segments will be, here's a weird thing in the online world, a big debate, blah, blah, blah. And their thing was, can men wear white jeans? Is it okay for men to wear white jeans? It is not. Not in any circumstance. Here's what made this timely. Swear on a stack of Bibles as this segment was happening. On my patio, delivered from Lee Jeans, a pair I just ordered, a pair of white jeans. I got some dark blues. I got some blacks. Send them back. And I was looking at those. And here's the thing. It's coming into springtime. A little Tommy Bahama shirt. And I think it has kind of a Jimmy Buffett vibe to it. So I would absolutely say yes to the white jeans. Jesse Waters said yes to the white jeans. Judge Jeanine said blank no. Tyrus grew almost violent to the notion of white jeans. So you are in the anti-white jeans camp?
SPEAKER 11 :
Well, I don't think I could pull it off. Pull it off? It's a pair of jeans. Yeah, but I can't see myself wearing white jeans.
SPEAKER 10 :
There's a stigma to the whiteness, so to speak.
SPEAKER 11 :
It just shows everything. You know, it just shows my rear end. I mean, it's just my thighs. I mean, I don't want to see that. Dark is better. Dark covers everything else.
SPEAKER 10 :
I may need to rethink. Well, here's my secondary thing. Because at, I think, Bass Pro, there's a house brand called Redhead, and they have really good sort of like nylon pants that are kind of water resistant. I got a pair that are tan. I got a pair that's black. I got a pair that's gray. There's another color I thought about getting, and Lisa said she might just file for divorce if I do. Which color? Take a stab. Red?
SPEAKER 1 :
No.
SPEAKER 10 :
I'd let her. Fuchsia? Nope, nope, nope, nope, nope. Light blue. What? A light blue. And I once again thought about having one of my Tommy. I got a lot of blues. I got blue stuff.
SPEAKER 11 :
But the light blue is worse than white. You can't do light blue.
SPEAKER 10 :
Here's the thing. On the white jeans, I think the white jeans are fine. But the light blue, her point on that is it looks like my next stop is the home. The light blue says, I've given up. It is time for me to go to the facility.
SPEAKER 11 :
And can I mention that about the home? Because, you know, I don't think it's a secret, and I've shared with you privately as well as on air, that I'm a little jarred by hitting 65 last week. And it is kind of throwing me a little bit. And I got an email. You talked about the video message you got from those wonderful, wonderful listeners at the concert. And I was just touched by this because we have this family of people who engage with us every day.
SPEAKER 10 :
We've got to do something for her. I don't even know what it would be. But we'll figure something out. If she texted you or something or emailed you, send back. Find out when her birthday is. I will. And let's do a big tribute. Let's have a big. That's a great idea. I am now ready. I'm now ready for whatever artillery you have to aim at me.
SPEAKER 11 :
Go for it. Let's go from the sublime to the ridiculous. Let's start on the lower end of things you've been wrong about. I mentioned yesterday what a clown Gretchen Whitmer is to be in the Oval Office holding a folder over her head. And you're like, well, the picture might have gotten her. She addressed it yesterday. She was on a stage and she said.
SPEAKER 10 :
I didn't want that picture taken.
SPEAKER 11 :
I didn't want my picture taken in the Oval Office. She's an idiot, and you tried to give her some grace because you didn't feel good yesterday. That's the only reason I'm going to attribute it to that. Oh, maybe the camera got her at the wrong time. No, it didn't. She's such an imbecile. She's such a bimbo. She's trying to hide in the Oval Office behind blue folders.
SPEAKER 10 :
And she's got presidential aspirations. I know. Here's a woman... who might have to stare down President Xi in some future generation, who can't even allow herself to be photographed with Trump in the Oval Office.
SPEAKER 11 :
Thank you. Thank you. So that's a minor thing. Number two, let me guess, you're loving the Barbie astronaut story yesterday. You think that's the greatest thing going, right?
SPEAKER 10 :
I don't know that. Because that happened during the show as Katy Perry and Gayle King.
SPEAKER 11 :
Stupidest thing I've ever witnessed in my life. Pointless, mindless, woke, DEI. I saw the interview with one of the blue star, whatever they are, women. She was interviewed and the poor hapless reporter said, you know, is this a good thing for mankind? No, it's not mankind. It's humankind. This is about women.
SPEAKER 10 :
Do you know who that was? That was former NASA astronaut, Dr. Mae Jemison, who corrected the reporter.
SPEAKER 11 :
Oh, yeah, corrected the reporter. Shut up with that mankind versus humankind. And look, here's all it was about. And she said in her answer, I'll bet you saw it because you did. You referenced the clip. This is about empowering women and showing that women can reach the horizon. It was a joy ride. It was fully automated. They didn't do anything. They didn't do anything. Jimmy Fallon put it best. This wasn't some kind of game-changing breakthrough. It was the world's priciest Six Flags ride.
SPEAKER 10 :
That's all it was. Totally agree. So if I can answer your question. Yes, sir. Anytime people go to space, I think it's cool. I know. I also think that if we're at the point where we're sending people routinely just as a bit, that shows how accessible space can be. At some point, there will be space tourism, and I look forward to that. I know it. And I think that's lovely. I knew it. People can send whoever they wish. I just don't care. I don't get worked up about it at all, nor do I view it as anything historic or important in any way, shape, or form. Was it kind of cool? Sure it was. Other than that, I don't care.
SPEAKER 11 :
So let's get to the meat and potatoes of our major disagreement while you're not feeling very good. I saw a tweet from a dear friend of mine. who looked at a bond reduction from a million dollars to 250 000 for this punk who thinks it's okay to have a knife apparently in a backpack and pull it out and plunge it into the chest of another student when they have a disagreement and suddenly you've a good friend of mine said Oh, that doesn't seem unreasonable to let him go free two weeks after he murders this athlete in Frisco. Now, all I ask you to do, I just want you to close your eyes and pretend. That the victim was black and the guy with the knife was white. Oh, I know that. You know what would happen. Well, he wouldn't see the light of day for four years. Of course.
SPEAKER 10 :
Is that right? It's not right. Of course not. Then okay.
SPEAKER 11 :
Have you seen the GoFundMe totals for Carmelo? I have. It's like half a million dollars. Yep. Guess what? The family could have bonded him out at the million. What's the requirement for a cash bond on a million? It's $100,000. It's 10%. I believe so. Well, but when you got a half million dollars, why are you going to blow it on bailing him out when you got a judge, a woke judge, and you're guessed at, I cannot wait to hear your statement.
SPEAKER 10 :
It's Congressman Pat Fallon who is so incensed about this. As he should be. As he should be. I kind of shrugged. Because here's the thing. Is Carmelo Anthony a seeming candidate for bond reduction? And the bottom line is, in a vacuum, if we're not all twisted off and torqued off about the details of this, which are admittedly sensational, is he a flight risk? Probably not. Is he going to stab anybody else? Probably not. And those are the criteria. It's not about how upset we are. Say that about the hypothetical white kid. Say that about the white kid. But you're saying that the white kid should get the exact same treatment. So it seems within the realm of what's reasonable.
SPEAKER 11 :
But the sword cuts both ways. See, here's the mistake when we say, well, it's not really about race. You fully stipulate that if a white kid had plunged a knife into a black kid's chest, there's no way a judge is going to let him go free in two weeks.
SPEAKER 10 :
And that would be wrong.
SPEAKER 11 :
So why did the black kid get released?
SPEAKER 10 :
That imbalance is wrong. That double standard is wrong. So in order to keep things on an even keel, we're going to deny a bond release for a kid who's probably a decent candidate for it because we're all...
SPEAKER 11 :
i'm thinking double standard i'm thinking of the family i'm thinking of the family of austin metcalf i'm thinking of you or me if one of our kids had died at the hands of of some cowardly punk two weeks ago and the kid is now home watching uh cartoons and and eating eating domino's pizza and living a that's wrong mark it's absolutely wrong except it's not
SPEAKER 10 :
Except if I could show you 100 cases where people in exactly this set of circumstances have absolutely gotten this bond reduction and absolutely gotten what Carmelo Anthony got. It is not wrong. It is not unique. It is not rare. It's dead wrong. You're just mad, and I am too. And I get it. It's dead wrong. As you sometimes do to me. It's an injustice. I don't disagree with you. If they kept it at a million, I'd have said that's fine. There's a realm of things that seem rational here. This is within it. Pat says, wow. Congressman Fallon is coming after the judge in the primaries on March. I have no quarrel with that.
SPEAKER 01 :
Good for him.
SPEAKER 10 :
And ultimately, last thing, I'll give it right back to you, there is going to be a trial. There will be accountability for this young man, and he is, one would think, going to spend some decent years in prison.
SPEAKER 11 :
But on the other hand, he is going to be uplifted. by a segment of our population, white and black, who have now glorified murder. Look at Luigi Mangione. You saw the former New York Times Washington Post reporter Taylor Lorenzi the other day. Oh, he's hot. You know, he's handsome. And he's just fighting back against the system. The left has now gone to this... terrible evil demonic place where murder is acceptable if there's a conflict you pull out your knife and you know what you were probably provoked by the white kid by the privileged white kid if you don't like your health care insurance you shoot the guy in the back and then that's okay this is what's happening you don't like elon musk you destroy a tesla and cnn yesterday did a report that said, well, the real problem with violence in America is white supremacy. It's right-wing white supremacy. These people, they're gaslighting us. Hey, final minute, and I'm sorry you're under the weather. I hope you're feeling better soon. But final 60 seconds, you want to go down a rabbit hole? I got in trouble yesterday with some of the goofiest callers I've had in years. I dare you to mention Steve Bannon's belief that Donald Trump is going to serve a third term in the Oval Office.
SPEAKER 10 :
Okay, let's do 60 seconds.
SPEAKER 11 :
How about the call? Did you have, like, wacky callers, like, justified?
SPEAKER 10 :
Not really. I kind of did it on the fly in the middle of 14 other things, kind of like the Carmelo story, so there wasn't really enough oxygen for it. I'll give you 30 seconds, and then you tell me what happened. I don't want to overanalyze or underanalyze. I think in a way that Trump sometimes does, I think Bannon's doing a bit. There is zero chance of this. I bristle a little bit because I think it's not helpful. You and I have talked about these things.
SPEAKER 01 :
Me too.
SPEAKER 10 :
We have zero room for wiggle.
SPEAKER 01 :
Mistakes.
SPEAKER 10 :
There are millions of voters who think they might kind of like Trump and some of what he's doing, and this stupid, stupid third-term garbage distracts from that and is ultimately not helpful.
SPEAKER 11 :
All right, let me give you the challenging question. What if Bannon doesn't think, what if he's not doing it as a bit? Because I'm telling you what, I had caller after caller yesterday lining up. I felt like I was doing an episode in the home.
SPEAKER 10 :
Who insisted that he will be president the afternoon of January 20th, 2021.
SPEAKER 11 :
Absolutely. It has to do with 2020, and the election was stolen from him in 2020.
SPEAKER 10 :
Even if it was. I know. The Constitution is clear. You get to be elected twice. He's been elected twice. Some would say three times. I know.
SPEAKER 11 :
I had one caller say, what about FDR? Have a look at all the terms he served.
SPEAKER 10 :
That was before the amendment changed. I know.
SPEAKER 11 :
You're using earth logic. I'm telling you, it's the craziest conversation. And I love Steve Bannon. That's the thing.
SPEAKER 10 :
I do, too. And he's kind of a genius.
SPEAKER 11 :
He's a vital voice. What's he doing? What's the point? I'm absolutely mystified. All right. Feel better. I'm glad I straightened you out. I love you, too. Thank you so much. That's why I come to you. Prediction, I won't see you tomorrow, I'll bet. That's my prediction.
SPEAKER 10 :
I don't know. 50-50, dude.
SPEAKER 11 :
I know. Drink a lot of water. Drink a lot of liquids. All right. Hang in there, brother.
SPEAKER 10 :
I love you. That is Mike. He's with you at 10 as soon as we're done. Right here on 660 AM.
SPEAKER 07 :
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