In this episode, host Dana Lash dives deep into the shifting political landscape and the growing influence of socialism within the Democratic Party. We uncover the narratives behind the radicals' quest for power and explore why New York City's political climate serves as an outlier in national politics. Dana shares her perspective on how control, rather than change, has become the central goal for leftist movements. Join us for an insightful discussion on the implications of these dynamics for both the Democratic and Republican parties.
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This is a concerning number for Democrats, are you saying? This is a concerning number for Democrats because it's considerably worse than they traditionally do in midterm elections when there's a Republican president.
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Yeah, Democrats are not doing very well. They're not doing well because they've, I think that they really made it to where they gave the keys to the kingdom to the radicals. There's a lesson to be learned in here. Giving the keys of the kingdom to the radicals. The radicals who aren't, they're not concerned with affecting change. And that's one thing that you've really got to understand about the left. Radicals anywhere. Radicals are never about the things that they say they're about. They're never about They're never about small government. I mean, there's no revolution in history. I mean, look back at the Thermidorian reaction and the French Revolution and all that good stuff. None of those people ever were. They never, ever were. were about all the any of the things that they said that they were about they were about actually getting power and maintaining power and having complete control it was always about control not not actual real change and that's the that's the important thing to remember because that's what the way it is with the left like look at you know AOC and Mandani and all I mean how look at any leftist that gets into office when you see these leftists when they get into office What do they actually do? It's all about expanding government control. Every single bill, every single thing that they propose, that's what it's always been about. Welcome to the show. Dana Lash with you. We got some stuff to discuss today. We got a lot to hit today as we get you set up for the rest of the week. A lot of things to touch on. And one of them is what is happening with... the left. And I think it's important because I always think some of the stuff that the party does can be a canary in the coal mine for the GOP even. And with this, as it pertains to the GOP, we're just talking about national polling, right? You were hearing some of these people on some network that none of us watch, but they had a moment of honesty because they were so shocked themselves that they nationally, the party is not It's not building. They don't have any momentum. They don't have anything to build off of. They haven't done a forensic of their defeat, really, even from 24. They haven't done any of that. And so the way that the public is reacting to them nationally, they're turned off. New York City is an outlier. And... I do think that there's a cautionary tale in terms of the socialists taking over the Democrat Party officially. This has been building for a long time. I've said for 10 years that the party's already been socialist. They just refuse to adopt the name. Pretty much not this point they have. But... The whole point that the public nationally is rejecting them. New York City is an outlier. It is weird. Like Chicago, New York City. I just will never understand the people who love statism and then they want to wallow in the sewer. And then that because that's what it creates. I he's going to win. As you know, he's absolutely going to win. That is without a doubt. He's going to win. And that's just the way that that's I don't know what Manhattan is going to do. They're going to have to deal with it, but he's going to win. So then what? All hell is going to break loose in that city. It's going to be a disaster. The ones on the left, they're too afraid to stand up to the hardcore, the Marxists and the socialists. There aren't any more moderates left in the party. In fact, one of the things I have here to get into is the lack of moderation in the Democrat Party. There isn't any moderation. And then we're going to get into some of this other stuff. Like for instance, man, Donnie had said his aunt, remember I told you this yesterday, his aunt wasn't his aunt. Wasn't it his like deceased distant cousin? Yeah. Like distant cousins. So this is like not even a first cousin. Oh my gosh. So like a second or third, really not even anybody he knows. He just made up the story. He made up a story because he's a racist. Imagine making up a story. to try to shame people who were victimized by 9-11. He's victimizing 9-11 victims. That's what this is. Shame on him. What a horrible person. Shame on him. We're going to come back to this because I have an update too. We got a big story that dropped. If you're a subscriber over at Chapter and Verse, Lorraine has an exclusive because, you know, not only is he lying about his aunt, but apparently he's lying about where his donation money is going to. Now, the SNAP funding expires. It's set to hit 40 million people. I am just trying to wrap my mind around the fact that 40 million people are getting SNAP, Cain. Oh, my gosh. Forty million people on snap. There are more people on snap by most of the people. In fact, there was a couple of studies. Well, what about the work ethic here? I think maybe I don't care if it's an unpopular opinion. It should be the only opinion. I think if you're getting government benefits, you suspend your right to vote. If you're receiving government benefits, you should not get to vote for the duration of the period in which you were receiving government benefits because the government is essentially paying you off. That's it. And you could say, well, that's un-American. You know what's un-American is stealing tax dollars from other people to fund a lifestyle of people that are abusing it beyond a safety net. I don't even support it for a safety net. This is what I'm talking about when I say the difference between conservatives and Republicans. And most Republicans don't have the balls to do this. So when anyone sits here, whenever anybody calls me an establishment, they are really the establishment because I go way further in terms of limiting government than they could ever have the balls to dream of. That's the truth of it. I don't even believe it should exist for a safety net. That's what individuals, private charities, churches, that's the safety net. The safety net is not the government. So I don't even agree for a temporary any of that. And I say this as someone who has raised broker than probably anybody watching. I'm going to pull out all the cards today. Probably anybody watching. I was seriously in some poverty. Single mother eating milk gravy and biscuits every day for a meal because it's all we could afford. And my mom refused to go on the government dole. God love her. She was too proud. Not going to happen. So she worked three jobs. So don't tell me that it can't happen because I had a single mom who worked three jobs. So I know sure as hell that it can. The point is, is that it shouldn't even be a temporary thing. So if someone wants to say that it's un-American or cruel, I think it's cruel to rob people, other families that are trying to provide a roof over their head, to rob them for individuals. I mean, it's over half that are abusing the system egregiously to have a free lifestyle funded. That's the truth of it. 40 million people. That's a significant percentage of the population. So that's un-American to demand that other people fund a lifestyle while you abuse it. So no, I don't think that you should be able to vote while you are receiving taxpayer-funded entitlements. end of. And for the smart aleck who wants to go, what about Social Security? My mother will fly to your undisclosed location and whoop your A-double snakes because that's their money. That's our money that's stolen by the government. You financially illiterate drive-by. Anybody who would say that, stop. I'm talking about receiving welfare. You should not be able to vote while you are on the taxpayer dole like that. Bottom line. And the fact that we have 40 million people And it is billions of dollars a month. And it only grows. So don't tell me it's a temporary thing. It has expanded every year since its inception. So immediately the argument that it's being mostly used as a temporary safety net has been obliterated by fact, by actual data that comes in from our federal government, which measures the recipients. So no, it is not a temporary thing. It has grown exponentially over the years. And you're essentially, the government is paying you. They're paying you, paying people who are receiving benefits to not work. So if you are not working, look, I'm very biblical about it. Neither shall, if you don't work, neither shall you eat. If you want to get really American and Christian about it. There's a difference between the widow and the orphan and the people who are struggling and then the people who are abusing the system. And that's the vast majority of those, sadly. 40 million people. And it I mean, it grows substantially every year. Guys, that's not temporary. So now we're essentially paying people for to continue expanding government. That's what this is. You're paying people to expand government. We have a lot more on this. And Zohan Mamdani, we reached out to his campaign to get a response to this story, and there isn't one. But long story short, there's some money missing, some charitable donations that he was supposed to steward that he apparently failed to do. And we're going to talk about that in an exclusive story coming up as we move the people who help bring you the program. This organization, by the way, does so good. They do so many great things because, you know, abortion is the number one cause of death globally. And even though Roe v. 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I've got Dan Morgan here on the pod. Say hi, Dan. Hey, how's it going today?
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It's going good, man. Tell us who you are and what you do. I'm Dan Morgan. I'm an attorney and a managing partner at Morgan & Morgan, which is America's largest injury law firm.
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That's pretty awesome. I think I saw a billboard of yours recently that said $20 billion won. $20 billion is an insane number.
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Yeah, 20 billion recovered. It's actually, I think, somewhere north, probably closer to 22, 23 after this year. And each year we get bigger and badder and our army grows. So the number will hopefully keep getting bigger and bigger as time goes on. Awesome.
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So how does someone get in contact with Morgan & Morgan? What would I do if I got into an accident?
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Probably the easiest way is dialing Pound Law. That's Pound 529 from your cell phone. We are always open. Our call center is always waiting to take your call. 24-7, 365.
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Wow. Dan Morgan from Morgan & Morgan, America's large injury law firm. Thanks for coming by the show.
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Thanks for having me. Visit ForThePeople.com for an office near you. And now, all of the news you would probably miss.
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It's time for Dana's Quick 5.
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Boy, oh boy. Say a prayer for Jamaica because Hurricane Melissa is going to be a record. It's a cat five. It's making records as the strongest in what? Maybe one of the top five strongest hurricanes, they're saying. Catastrophic flooding. It's making landfall in Jamaica. That island is not going to look the same after Hurricane Melissa. Then it's going to target eastern Cuba and the southeast Bahamas. So this is, it's bad. There were stories of birds that got caught in the eye of the storm and they couldn't, they didn't have the strength to get through the walls of wind surrounding them. Isn't that horrific? Americans, let's see, they wanted the NFL to move the Super Bowl to a holiday weekend. Quinnipiac had a survey and apparently they also favor expanding regular season to 18 games. I don't want it to be on a holiday weekend. What holiday weekend would you have it on? No, I don't want it on a holiday weekend. I am not sharing like a Thanksgiving or anything else with the Super Bowl. Not going to happen. Not going to share a single thing with it. You know why? Because then everybody rushes through their meal. They rush through the Thanksgiving part to go and sit in front of the TV and watch bowl games. I'm not doing that. So, no. Cain, where are you at on this? You're over there laughing.
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I mean, it already will happen for Thanksgiving, so there's no getting around that. But we're talking about a holiday somewhere in the February range. Well, there isn't. What is there? I don't know. Easter?
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I'm not sharing. No! No!
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I only said that to trigger you.
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Sorry. Oh, my gosh. All the dogs all of a sudden started barking because I... My voice got up into a very weird pitch. Let's see. Also, Amazon's going to announce the largest layoffs in company history. Maybe they'll keep the good drivers who don't throw packages in the street. That would be great. So they're going to be getting a fresh round of job cuts on, actually, today, according to CNBC. It's going to be the largest to their corporate workforce. It's only going to be corporate, though. Nah, boo. Sounds like they just got too top-heavy. That's what it sounds like. Air traffic control staffing problems. Spiked over the weekend as well. This is how bad it is. Everybody's got to clean up booty juice's mess. We've got a lot more on the way. Ma'am Donnie and, oh boy, the woke right. And our partners that help bring you the program. It's the folks over at Super Beats. And you guys are very familiar with the Super Beats folks. You're familiar with Human. What makes their story different is where it began. Human was founded at the UT Health Science Center. And it was built on real cardiovascular research around blood flow and nitric oxide. Unlike other supplement brands, human science born, not just science-ish, their products work and you can feel them working. UT athletes have used Super Beats for over a decade, calling it their cheat code for recovery and endurance. And you can use it for the same reasons to support healthy blood pressure and circulation. Today, more than 160 college and pro teams use human products. So your favorite team probably does too. And if you've seen the human logo on the Longhorns field this football season, that's more than a sponsorship. It's a signal from human and UT together leading the future of cardiovascular health for athletes and everyone. Clinically studied key ingredients recommended by doctors, pharmacists, and cardiologists. Pick up Super Beats at your local Walmart and start supporting your cardiovascular health today. Get on the road to better health with human.
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I've got Dan Morgan here on the pod. Say hi, Dan. Hey, how's it going today?
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It's going good, man. Tell us who you are and what you do. I'm Dan Morgan. I'm an attorney and a managing partner at Morgan & Morgan, which is America's largest injury law firm.
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That's pretty awesome. I think I saw a billboard of yours recently that said $20 billion won. $20 billion is an insane number.
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Yeah, 20 billion recovered. It's actually, I think, somewhere north, probably closer to 22, 23 after this year. And each year we get bigger and badder and our army grows. So the number will hopefully keep getting bigger and bigger as time goes on.
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Awesome. So how does someone get in contact with Morgan & Morgan? What would I do if I got into an accident?
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Probably the easiest way is dialing Pound Law. That's Pound 529 from your cell phone. We are always open. Our call center is always waiting to take your call. 24-7-365. Wow.
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Dan Morgan from Morgan & Morgan, America's large injury law firm. Thanks for coming by the show.
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Thanks for having me. Visit ForThePeople.com for an office near you.
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I was speaking about my aunt. I was speaking about Xerafoui, my father's cousin, who sadly passed away a few years ago. For the takeaway from my more than 10 minute address about Islamophobia in this race and in this city to be the question of my aunt tells you everything about Andrew Cuomo and his inability to reckon with a crisis of his own.
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It tells you everything that you need to know. The fact that the guy had to legit make it up. Kane snorting. Hang on. Give him a minute. He's over there. It's hysterical. He just crumples up into a ball and snorts.
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How the hell is it not somehow telling of how he lies?
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It's more telling than the fact that Cuomo was talking about my non-existent dead aunt. Sorry, aunt. Aunt. Wait, can I sidebar? I'm going to come back to this for a moment. Can I just sidebar real quick? I know some people in the South do this and I'm not passing judgment on you. So don't hate me. But to me, when I hear aunt, I'm like, that is so snobby, right? It's like pinkies out, so snobby when I hear that. Am I the only person that thinks that, excluding you people in the South that say it? God love you. Right? What do you say?
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Yeah, I've heard it auntie. Like whenever you hear it pronounced with the ah, it's always auntie. Oh, my pinky goes up.
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I'm like, oh, are we now, auntie? More. That's what I think.
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I never think of it as a pinky up thing, though.
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You don't?
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Yeah, my auntie.
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Why don't you think?
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It sounds snooty. I grew up in North County in St. Louis, so it was just my auntie.
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I don't care if you're in the hood or if you're in, you know, I don't care where. It sounds like, would you like some Grey Poupon?
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If you're not saying ant?
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Yeah, I'm like ant.
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You're just snooty?
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Yes.
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Okay.
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Just like if you say wash. That's so snobby. I cannot make that. The one accent that I cannot do to save my life is the Boston accent. I cannot do a Boston and a Texas one, really. I cannot do a Boston accent to save my life. Can listen to him talk all day long. It's fascinating the way they do their vowels. Fascinates me, but I cannot. But the way they're like really like wash. That's when I'm when I don't say wash, which is the proper way to say it. Totally. But I don't do aunt. So whenever my point being is whenever I hear Zoran Mamdani and he sounds like the name of the fortune teller and that movie Big, by the way, and they totally ripped off that the graphic for that fortune teller. in big remember the magic one that makes tom tom hanks turn into a man and then there's some weird like you know statutory rate that happened wasn't it so it was yeah it was like the great zoron i'm not kidding swear to you i'm not kidding i knew it was familiar and i'm like that's from big anyway problematic movie um but yeah you can say auntie now auntie's fine i'm all right with auntie aunt Would you like some Grey Poupon cane? But of course, have you met my aunt? I feel like he's trying to be pretentious when he says that. So anyway, he made up a story about a dead distant cousin and claimed it was his aunt. I don't believe that she was. I don't even believe that she was in the United States. I don't believe it. I think she was probably like in a sand dune somewhere overseas. I don't care. She he made it up. And then the fact that he's mad at Cuomo for kind of for pointing it out. That's not an example of any kind of bigotry. God help me. I'm defending Cuomo. It's not like a sign of his bigotry or anything. It's Zora and Mandani lied. Oh, yes. It's like somebody lying about their grandmother dying for the umpteenth thousandth time to get out of work.
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Or their brother-husband.
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Or their brother-husband, if you're Ilhan Omar. So, yeah, I agree with aunt or auntie, but aunt. But he lied. Now, here's another story about him. This is an exclusive over at Chapter and Verse. So if you're a subscriber, you got this already. Lorraine spoke to a very interesting source. This is a very interesting story. Now, you know that he's got a lot of shady things in his background, Zoran Mamdani. You know that he was out there campaigning with an unindicted 9-11 co-conspirator whose entire family is serving life in prison because they were running kiddie terror training camps in New Mexico. This is all verified. you know that he took money from terrorist groups. If you're tied to terrorism, you're a terrorist group. If you're facilitating terrorism, you're a terrorist. That's it, black or white. He took thousands of dollars from communist China, and he's gotten over $13,000 in illegal campaign donations from foreigners. But there's more. So there was a leaked email chain that was raising accusations that he may, looks like he pocketed over $12,000 in donations that was meant for a community food distribution effort. So this was money that was donated to Muslims giving back. So he was supposed to be kind of like the pass-through guy for it. He was supposed to give half of this money to the Astoria Welfare Society, right? So the Astoria Welfare Society was supposed to get half of this money. The other half of this money was supposed to go to some meals project that he supposedly created. I don't know. But it was the other half was supposed to go there. And so according to these these emails that we exclusively obtained back in 2020, you know, he was he was already misleading donors about where their money was going to go. He was running for as an assemblyman. And his headquarters, they were it was in Astoria, New York. Right. And he was supposed to be he offered his office, which was a storefront brick and mortar. He offered the usage of his office to the Astoria food pantry and the Astoria Mutual Aid Society. And he had like organized phone banks and, you know, to make sure that everybody, a phone bank campaign with the Action Network, he wanted everybody to make sure that they saw him doing these good deeds. He wanted to be seen, right? And he made a huge part of his campaign, all of this, he like centered it around these organizations, right? And he would fundraise for his campaign, but he wanted some of the shine of these food distribution programs to rub off on his campaign, right? And give him legitimacy. So at some point during Ramadan, he met with Gustavo Guerrera, who is a music producer who is looking to work with some of these local charities and help out. So then Guerrera had a friend named Mike Dean. They were selling T-shirts during COVID and they were using all the profits to help the various causes because, you know, Manhattan was really hard hit and they were really shut down pretty tight. So Guerrero says that Mandani had introduced him to the Astoria Welfare Society, and Guerrero and Dean had agreed to donate $12,500, but the purpose was that at least, at a minimum, half were supposed to go to the Astoria Welfare Society, and the other half would be able to go to you know, the welfare or the meal program that Mandani had created. Well, in the leaked email chain, which we have on Substack, he first, Mandani first was suggesting putting this money into one of these other individuals, their account, right? And his personal bank account. But then when Mike Dean was asking about a 501c3 because they were looking for this tax designation, that's when Mandani suggested sending it to a third party organization called Muslims Giving Back. So they were giving $12,500. They wanted to be able to have the tax deductible donation in order to get that deductible, that deductibility. It had to go through one of these like 501c3s, right? 501c3s. So that's when Mandani suggested, well, why not send it to Muslims giving back? And that's the guy's personal bank account that Mandani first suggested depositing the money into. He also worked with that group. So long story short, they agreed to accept the funds on Mandani's behalf. And then what happened to the money after that? Nobody knows. Nobody knows. Somebody said that the Astoria Welfare Society maybe received $500 of the $12,500 they were supposed to get when they were supposed to get over $6,000. And Mandani was quoted, Lorraine notes, in this Grub Street August 2020 story saying that they raised all this money for this project and apparently... The difference, the difference that the campaign that what he said, the campaign raised and what the campaign actually noted, the difference was basically twelve thousand dollars. So that seems like that's I'm telling you what, it sounds like he cut the money that was supposed to go to a food distribution program. So long story short, you had $12,500 that was donated to a 501c3 that was supposed to pass through, half go to Mandani, and then the other half to the Astoria Welfare Society. And then the Astoria Welfare Society got $500 when they were supposed to get at least $6,000. And nobody knows what happened to the money. There is nothing there. Now, I want to tell you, there are people in politics who have been fined. by the FEC for this, for less than this, majorly fined. In fact, one of the offenses I think that put Ilhan Omar over the top was like $13,000. And she got a major five-figure, a high, almost six-figure fine. She got a major fine for this. In fact, I think in Hillary Clinton's campaign, when she was running for Senate, I think she also got fined by FEC for something to this to this scope. So the Astoria Welfare Society did not get the money that they were that they were told they were going to get. So Zoran Mamdani looks like he pocketed $12,000 for this charity. That's insane. That is insane. Now, no one in New York, no one in Manhattan, apparently. So the people that were obviously upset because this charity had been essentially robbed, they were trying to get local media in Manhattan to pay attention to the story. Well, local media in Manhattan is all in for Mamdani. They're not running any negative press about this guy. This is one of the things I was looking at last night. There's barely any negative press in local media about Mandani in Manhattan. They are protecting him hardcore. So they wouldn't. And it wasn't just these individuals like the charitable organizations themselves were trying to get them to pay attention to the story. If you're a small charitable organization, especially during a time of economic uncertainty, twelve thousand dollars is a lot of money. That is a lot of money. And they exist to distribute food. Right there in a hard hit community there existed. They're trying to fill the need that government that a lot of people who want big government would exploit to expand government. I'm all for private citizens doing private charity. And I and I think that whenever they are done incorrectly, whenever they are done wrong, I think you really mean they they really deserve that adjudication in the press and in the media. Because they're private people and they're doing this of their own free will. This isn't the government forcing it. So this is a it was a privately funded food distribution network that was robbed of $12,000, presumably by Zoran Mamdani, because he was the last guy to see the cash. And nobody knows where it went. Now, is that not something? No one in Manhattan is going to talk about that. Now, that just goes on to the pile of stuff that's already wrong with this guy. All of the foreign donations, the fact that he was legit campaigning with a 9-11 unindicted co-conspirator whose children, that's Siraj Wahaj, legit every one of his children are serving life sentences. Because they were busted running a kiddie terror training camp in New Mexico. They were legit arming like nine-year-olds, teaching them to shoot, and they were training them up to go into schools, go into public places, and just start shooting. Not kidding. That's in all of the affidavits. That's in the charging dot, everything. They were convicted, life in prison. That's all of his kids. All of his kids. 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SPEAKER 15 :
I've got Dan Morgan here on the pod. Say hi, Dan.
SPEAKER 16 :
Hey, how's it going today? It's going good, man. Tell us who you are and what you do. I'm Dan Morgan. I'm an attorney and a managing partner at Morgan & Morgan, which is America's largest injury law firm.
SPEAKER 15 :
That's pretty awesome. I think I saw a billboard of yours recently that said $20 billion won. $20 billion is an insane number.
SPEAKER 16 :
Yeah, 20 billion recovered. It's actually, I think, somewhere north, probably closer to 22, 23 after this year. And each year we get bigger and badder and our army grows. So the number will hopefully keep getting bigger and bigger as time goes on. Awesome.
SPEAKER 15 :
So how does someone get in contact with Morgan & Morgan? What would I do if I got into an accident?
SPEAKER 16 :
Probably the easiest way is dialing Pound Law. That's Pound 529 from your cell phone. We are always open. Our call center is always waiting to take your call. 24-7-365. Wow.
SPEAKER 15 :
Dan Morgan from Morgan & Morgan, America's large injury law firm. Thanks for coming by the show.
SPEAKER 16 :
Thanks for having me. Visit ForThePeople.com for an office near you.
SPEAKER 11 :
Like sands through the hourglass, so are the days of the United States.
SPEAKER 24 :
If I came in your house with all my bags, picking out all your food, deep freezer, snacks, your grandmama's milk and everything, what you going to do? I'm curious. What you going to do?
SPEAKER 23 :
Well, I don't think you want to find out. Because it's not going to go well for you. Welcome back to the program. I mean, if you have all the energy to do that, then you have all the energy to walk out there and get a job. Go get a job. Nobody's stopping you from going to get a job. Neither shall he work. Neither shall he eat. Pretty simple. You're no different. You're not special. You know, you're not a member of the royal family. We are not your servants. You can go out and get a job just the way the rest of us go to work. And you can pay for your own stuff instead of demanding that we pay for you. That's how that works. Yeah, if you got all the energy to do that, you got the energy to walk down and go get a job. Pretty easy. It doesn't make any sense. There's too many damn people on Snap. Snap is ridiculous. It's ridiculous. And before people go, well, I can't believe you don't have a heart for the unfortunate. Shame on you. You know who else is rendered unfortunate? All the Americans all across the United States who are struggling under the burden of overtaxation, which we went to war for less than what it is now. Just let you know. We are struggling under the burden of being overtaxed. And you're telling us that we owe it to you to do more. You got families that are struggling out here to pay their bills. You got veterans that can't even get the care that they need. But yet people who refuse to work have their hands out. Now, sure, there are people who do use it as a temporary safety net. That doesn't make me agree with its purpose or existence anymore. But at least they're honorable enough and motivated enough to use it as a temporary thing. But no one owes you a living. No one owes you food. No one owes you a full fridge. No one owes you a damned thing. That's on you. And you all have only yourself to blame if you can't come through for you. If you can't come through for you, why should anybody else? And that's the truth of it. So coming up, a number of things. There's a lot of discussion on the right right now. About why anybody would... I've never said his name on the show. And I don't like him. I don't even want to say his full name. That Fuentes guy. The guy who says he's a white supremacist, but also he got caught looking at gay porn literally during a live stream. That's true. I don't know. Seems twinkie. Anyway, why... What's the purpose of treating that person like an intellectual heavyweight? Or... Even giving them the opportunity to try to mainstream them. We're going to talk about that coming up. Stick with us. As we move our partners, they'll bring you the program. It is our friends over at All Family Pharmacy. If you want to take charge of your health care. And you kind of want to get around the middleman. You need to check out all family pharmacies. So first and foremost, this is like the number one thing that I like. All the stuff that they have, all their antibiotics, all their medications, they are made in the USA using U.S. produced precursors. So for the lack of a better way to put it, all the ingredients that go into the soup, it's all American. And then the end product's American. They got Tamiflu, antibiotics, antivirals, ivermectin, hydroxychloroquine, a flu kit, the sinus infection kit.
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SPEAKER 15 :
I've got Dan Morgan here on the pod. Say hi, Dan. Hey, how's it going today?
SPEAKER 16 :
It's going good, man. Tell us who you are and what you do. I'm Dan Morgan. I'm an attorney and a managing partner at Morgan & Morgan, which is America's largest injury law firm.
SPEAKER 14 :
That's pretty awesome.
SPEAKER 16 :
Why do you guys think you win so many cases? The insurance companies and other companies that we go against know that we're going to take it to the end, that we believe in the case. So we fight for every dollar and we're not afraid to go that extra mile for our clients. Are insurance companies like actually afraid of you guys? We don't bluff. We take it to trial and we are not strangers of getting very, very, very large verdicts.
SPEAKER 15 :
Awesome. So how does someone get in contact with Morgan & Morgan? What would I do if I got into an accident?
SPEAKER 16 :
Probably the easiest way is dialing Pound Law. That's Pound 529 from your cell phone. Our call center is always waiting to take your call. 24-7-365. Wow.
SPEAKER 15 :
Dan Morgan from Morgan & Morgan, America's largest injury law firm. Thanks for coming by the show.
SPEAKER 16 :
Thanks for having me. Visit ForThePeople.com for an office near you.
SPEAKER 19 :
Like mid-December, mid-late December. It's actually funny. It was December 18th. I remember it because that's an important date to me. And it's Joseph Stalin's birthday. I'm a fan. You're a fan of Stalin.
SPEAKER 23 :
Of course, the twink is a fan.
SPEAKER 19 :
Oh, he's an admirer. But we don't need to go into that.
SPEAKER 23 :
Okay. Full disclosure. First off, welcome to the program. Dana Lash with you. We're at the top of this second hour. Okay. I don't even want to say his full name, but that's that Fuentes guy, right? He's this weird little twink who was loathed by Charlie Kirk, by the way, and previously most of the Turning Point staff, I should put out there, because of stuff like this. I mean, he's trying to be such an edgelord, and it looks kind of sad, especially because he got caught in a live stream with gay porn, but whatever. I mean, you know, Hitler was apparently a twink, too. So, you know. But... I've known Tucker for a long time and Tucker was very helpful when we had our big fight with our school board here during CRT and he helped amplify that. I've, you know, I've done election coverage with him at Fox, you know, where we're on set for hours at a time. I've met him in person. I've, you know, I considered him, you know, not like I'm not best friends with him, but, you know, he's a friend, you know, we're friendly. I have texted with him and I texted him earlier today, too. Because I like to be able to tell people that I know, what are you thinking? I don't want to just, you know, for clicks. I know everybody's a click whore and that the monetization of X, which pays for engagement, has completely revolutionized political discourse to the point where we throw like that. We go after the lowest hanging fruit and then people make bank on it. That's why you see people tweet stupid stuff. And that's why everything is very antagonistic because antagonism makes people money. So that's why it's, and I think it's the worst mistake Elon Musk made with X personally, but you know, it's not mine and I'm not running it. So that's just the way it is. But I had messaged Tucker earlier, like, dude and he always responds but i haven't heard back from him on this one and i'm sure i will but you know i always like to say something or at least talk to people privately and i don't like to go out and you know blast people for all these people out there who who try to sit here and tell me no enemies to the right unlike them i actually know these people i basically grew up in this industry with these people and i think that you there's a difference between attacking disagreeing, and then also Christian discernment. I cannot imagine calling yourself a hard-hitting journalist and having someone like that guy on your program who's basically sitting here fluffing the memory of Joseph Stalin, who is an atheist, by the way, a really hardcore atheist who literally, as part of state policy, promoted godlessness and and not push back on him. Joseph Stalin, a godless atheist that killed millions of people. Having a guy sit across from you and proclaim his love of this dead failed revolutionary who murdered people and hated God and talk about his devout love for him and not push back. By the way, these are some of the people who say Christ is king also. And they don't say Christ is king is a way to worship Jesus. They say Christ is king is a way to blaspheme and try to beat you over the head with it. Meanwhile, they worship godless atheists like Joseph Stalin. You see what I'm saying now? This is the woke right. They practice the same identity politics as the left because they are the left. Their policies are no different from the left. I just can't imagine calling yourself a hard-hitting journalist and not pushing back on that. And he sat there, as anybody should, and just had an expression of whiskey tango foxtrot come across his face. That's the moment he should have been full stop. What are you doing? What are you doing? I've known Tucker, like I said, we're not besties and we don't have Sunday dinners and we haven't done anything. I've talked to his dad before who's passed away. Um, I don't recognize this person. I don't know. Like I said, I'm not there every single day and we're not, you know, BFFs, but I don't know, maybe something, I don't know. I don't know. Just to give you another idea of the guy that was interviewed, this is audio cut 29. Listen to this one. It's by the way, not for the faint of heart.
SPEAKER 19 :
Whether he chooses to confront me or not, whether he has dignity and honor or not, it's just a matter of time. My ideas are already there. I've already impregnated your organization. I took Turning Point USA and I f***ed it. I took your organization. I took your baby, Turning Point USA, and I f***ed it. And I've been f***ing it. And that's why it's filled with groipers. That's why your whole crew. That's why the people around you. That's why your chapter presidents. That's why your attendees. They're all groipers. So whether you choose to confront me or not over the honor of your Turning Point USA, it's immaterial to me.
SPEAKER 23 :
He's talking about Charlie Kirk. And remember, this is the same guy that got caught with gay porn in a live stream, by the way. He got caught with gay porn in a live stream. It came up on his screen apparently by accident and everybody saw it. Just want to put that out there. And the video exists and I also have it. So I got the video of him and I'll happily publish it out there. I just thought it was interesting. He's so obsessed with fornicating with an organization but can't get a real girl. Why would you platform someone like this? Why? I don't get it. I understand the people who say, well, you know, this is not cancel culture. If you think that Christian discernment is cancel culture, you need to spend more time in the Gospels and less time on X. If you think that Christian discernment is cancel culture, you need to spend more time in the Gospels and less time on X. It's not about whether or not someone has the right to speak. It's are they worthy of Of mainstreaming into the movement. I mean, good grief. Even Paul had to do his time after he was Saul before he was welcomed in to be one of the greatest disciples. Come on. This is what's mind numbing. This is the stuff that's going on in the right. This is happening on the right right now. Charlie hated this guy. And there's tons of texts out there. I'm not going to posthumously speak for him. He speaks for himself. I'm just pointing out the texts that are online that exist. I'm pointing out the tweets from their staff that are online and already exist. Nobody needs to make up words to put in their mouths. They already spoke for themselves on these issues. Who would sit down and interview someone like this? Let's play cut 27. This might be some insight.
SPEAKER 03 :
How do you explain Mike Huckabee, Ted Cruz? And there are a lot like that, John Bolton. I mean, I've known them all, George W. Bush, like Karl Rove. I mean, all people I know personally who I've seen like, be seized by this brain virus and they're not jewish they're most of them are self-described christians and and then the christian zionists who are well christian zionists like what is that right and i can just say for my self i dislike them more than anybody you know because like what because it's christian heresy and i'm offended by that as a christian that's why
SPEAKER 23 :
So I think, so what he's talking about, how do you define Christian Zionism, Cain? Because Christian Zion, I mean, Zionism is just the belief that Jewish people have the right to the land that they have historically lived on that's supported by thousands of years of antiquity.
SPEAKER 12 :
It's just the Christianity support of that.
SPEAKER 23 :
Right. So what does he find heretical about this? That's what intrigues me.
SPEAKER 12 :
I think he was making in a previous podcast the distinction between who God was speaking about when he said Israelites in the Bible as opposed to what we now know as Israel here today. But it's simpler than that for Christians as it relates to the label of Zionism. Right. And I think they're taking that muddy water and they're trying to make something else out of it.
SPEAKER 23 :
Right. So I think he had mentioned like Mike Huckabee and who else? Mark Levin. I like Mark Levin. Mark Levin has been a straight shooter for as long as I can remember. Yeah. And is he saying that he finds it heretical, the belief that it is the fulfillment of some prophecy or a biblical prophecy that basically foreshadows the second coming of Christ? Yeah. And is that what he's talking about, that what he thinks is heretical?
SPEAKER 12 :
I think so.
SPEAKER 23 :
I mean— I know a lot of Christians that believe that, but I feel like that's being conflated because there's not a good enough job that is being done, in my opinion, to clearly articulate the difference between biblical doctrine and then also the belief that people, I mean, it's not up for debate. I mean, there's thousands of years of history, recorded, documented history from every single walk of life, from the Zoroastrianism, Islam, Christian, I mean, everywhere where These people have been in this part of the world on that land for thousands of years. That's not up for dispute unless people want to dispute all of thousands of years of recorded history from every walk of life, every color and creed. It seems like it's purposefully conflated as a way to undermine that claim. Does that make sense? Do you think that that's legitimate? Is that how you do you see that, Cain?
SPEAKER 12 :
Yeah, I mean, I see that that's the attempt. Yeah.
SPEAKER 23 :
And even if now let's just play, you know, devil's advocate for a moment, for lack of a better phrase. Even if you believe that people who think that, even if you believe that, what does that have to do with supporting a people's right to exist in the land that has been historically theirs for thousands of years? Right. I mean, there are Christians who believe that and believe that it portends the second coming and all of that other stuff. But I really feel like that's kind of a distraction from the larger point. But it's conflated to undermine the support of people to live in the land that has been theirs for thousands of years. You know, and I don't think that. I think there's also a way if you are a person of faith, if you're a Christian and you don't believe that. I don't know what philosophy theory or perspective. I think it's unfair to lump people in to conflate the two. But I also think it's unfair to denigrate those people because what harm does that belief pose? especially if you're talking about overall Jewish people living in Gaza. That's ultimately what we're talking about, are we not? We're talking about Jewish people living in Gaza. Thousands of years of antiquity that support their presence. That's what I'm looking at. And it feels like a conflation to undermine the legitimate claim of presence that the Jewish people have in that area. That's my perspective on it. The folks over at Patriot Mobile, the only Christian conservative cell phone service in the country, Patriot Mobile wants to not only save you money, but they also want to make sure that the money that you pay for your cell phone service isn't going towards far left stuff. It's not going towards things like CRT or DEI or any of this other nonsense. And you're also getting the best service that you can get. They have all the access to Three, all three major US networks, you're not getting a compromise on quality for your values either. It's easy to switch fast activation by their 100% US based customer support team. And you get nationwide coverage you can trust. You can also keep your number, keep your cell phone, the current phone that you have, or you can switch it out. I mean, it's entirely up to you. Visit PatriotMobile.com slash Dana or call 972-Patriot to get started today. Use promo code Dana because you'll get a free month of service. On top of it, veterans and first responders get 15% off of their bill every month. Switch today. PatriotMobile.com slash Dana. Promo code Dana. 972-Patriot.
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SPEAKER 15 :
I've got Dan Morgan here on the pod. Say hi, Dan. Hey, how's it going today?
SPEAKER 16 :
It's going good, man. Tell us who you are and what you do. I'm Dan Morgan. I'm an attorney and a managing partner at Morgan & Morgan, which is America's largest injury law firm.
SPEAKER 14 :
That's pretty awesome.
SPEAKER 16 :
Why do you guys think you win so many cases? The insurance companies and other companies that we go against know that we're going to take it to the end, that we believe in the case. So we fight for every dollar and we're not afraid to go that extra mile for our clients. Are insurance companies like actually afraid of you guys? We don't bluff. We take it to trial and we are not strangers of getting very, very, very large verdicts.
SPEAKER 15 :
Awesome. So how does someone get in contact with Morgan & Morgan? What would I do if I got into an accident?
SPEAKER 16 :
Probably the easiest way is dialing Pound Law. That's Pound 529 from your cell phone. Our call center is always waiting to take your call. 24-7, 365. Wow.
SPEAKER 15 :
Dan Morgan from Morgan & Morgan, America's largest injury law firm. Thanks for coming by the show.
SPEAKER 16 :
Thanks for having me. Visit ForThePeople.com for an office near you.
SPEAKER 12 :
And now, all of the news you would probably miss. It's time for Dana's Quick Five.
SPEAKER 23 :
All right. So, first up... I had to wait for it to load for a second. Sorry. Uh... Wait, okay, this one town is warning people to be vigilant around clowns. Why do we have to do this every year? Wait, what town is this? I can't even say it.
SPEAKER 12 :
Abergavenny?
SPEAKER 23 :
Abergavenny? Uh-huh. Okay. I think so. An Abergavenny man is urging people to be vigilant around people with bulbous noses who are badly fitting clowns. I mean, it could be J.B. Pritzker, for all we know. He said, be careful about clowns. Why is this a story? This is so weird.
SPEAKER 12 :
And? Scared of it.
SPEAKER 23 :
I accidentally started watching that. I was doing debate prep and then I fell asleep during it. It's the good one, too, with that one dude. You're like, what? Okay, so suspected cocaine found in a trick-or-treat bag. It used to be razor blades. Now it's cocaine. We hear this every year. I never found anything in my candy. The only thing that I found in my candy that was horrible is like a probably expired Tootsie Roll that would crack your tooth open.
SPEAKER 12 :
Those don't expire.
SPEAKER 23 :
Dude, you could actually probably use them as ammo. For real. Not even kidding. You guys know what I'm talking about. You know you would get the hard ones. You're like, what is that? Oh, yeah. They're horrible. Let's see. Snickers were the best. And Reese's, they were the best. Let's see. A 12-year-old died. A 12-year-old died because he inhaled Linux deodorant and a TikTok challenge. He died from inhaling aerosol deodorant. Why would you inhale aerosol?
SPEAKER 12 :
They call it chroming, and it's horrible.
SPEAKER 23 :
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SPEAKER 15 :
I've got Dan Morgan here on the pod. Say hi, Dan.
SPEAKER 16 :
Hey, how's it going today? It's going good, man. Tell us who you are and what you do. I'm Dan Morgan. I'm an attorney and a managing partner at Morgan & Morgan, which is America's largest injury law firm.
SPEAKER 14 :
That's pretty awesome.
SPEAKER 16 :
Why do you guys think you win so many cases? The insurance companies and other companies that we go against know that we're going to take it to the end, that we believe in the case. So we fight for every dollar and we're not afraid to go that extra mile for our clients. Are insurance companies like actually afraid of you guys? We don't bluff. We take it to trial and we are not strangers of getting very, very, very large verdicts.
SPEAKER 15 :
Awesome. So how does someone get in contact with Morgan & Morgan? What would I do if I got into an accident?
SPEAKER 16 :
Probably the easiest way is dialing Pound Law. That's Pound 529 from your cell phone. And our call center is always waiting to take your call. 24-7-365. Wow.
SPEAKER 15 :
Dan Morgan from Morgan & Morgan, America's large injury law firm. Thanks for coming by the show.
SPEAKER 16 :
Thanks for having me. Visit ForThePeople.com for an office near you.
SPEAKER 07 :
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SPEAKER 10 :
And then I think it's an opportunity where I both can tell them the things that I will do and the things that I won't do, right? I will freeze the rent. I won't defund the police. I will make buses fast and free. I won't decriminalize misdemeanors. I will deliver universal childcare. I won't require everyone to eat halal food.
SPEAKER 23 :
He's Santa.
SPEAKER 10 :
This is... This sounds like a punchline. This is literally... You just made news. This is literally in a push poll. Two New Yorkers saying that I'm going to make halal mandatory. And it's like, if you do want to eat halal, go to 34th Avenue and Sinway. Go to Mahmoud's, but I'm not going to force you to go there.
SPEAKER 23 :
Look how he's deflecting. He's throwing out all of this stuff. Oh, free things, X, Y, Z. But also, I'm not going to make you eat halal. What he's doing there is like, remember, I am a protected class. Therefore, you must give me the benefit of the doubt and have a protective... sentiment towards me, which is why I'm stating this. And also, like, let's just, you know, let's get over all of the other big government policies. It's a distraction. It's a deflection. Welcome back to the program. Dana Lash with you. Can we just go really quickly back to this was cut eight. This is a flashback cut. Listen to this.
SPEAKER 09 :
The importance for me of international solidarity is that it takes me out of the American political landscape that reminds me just how tame some of the things are that I'm actually calling for or that I support. And it reminds me of the necessity of grounding ourselves in the struggles as opposed to the fights around the struggles. For anyone to care about these issues, we have to make them hyper-lobal. We have to make clear that when the boot of the NYPD is on your neck, it's been laced by the idea. We are in a country where those connections abound, especially in New York City. You have so many opportunities to make clear the ways in which that struggle over there is tied to capital's interest over here.
SPEAKER 23 :
Did I hear him correctly? The boot of the NYPD, it's been laced by the IDF. Let's throw everything in there. I hate cops, by the way. I don't like Jews. I'm Mam Donnie. I mean, he's got to throw everything else in there. He's, man, New York City's gone. Get in there while you can because it's gone, y'all. Gone. If you want to go see Rockefeller one more time, do it because then get out.
SPEAKER 12 :
Yeah, the sooner the better. But we call that one a flashback. That was like two years ago.
SPEAKER 23 :
Yeah, I wanted to, I was going to, I wanted to couch that with, I mean, it's a flashback, but is it really? It's like barely two years ago. That's when he was like running for re-election for assembly, Newark Assembly again. So that wasn't, because he's still in the middle of his term. So that wasn't that long ago. I the whole thing is wild I can't even imagine how he's going to reshape in the most horrific of ways Manhattan because you have to remember he's got most of you know their city council they're on his side he's going to have like free reign no one's going to touch him because he's going to have engendered all of this press He's going to have the name recognition, which is most often misinterpreted by itself as a power, whether it is or not, by people. They just want that adjacency. They're not going to challenge him. He's not going to get any pushback, and it's going to get worse and worse. This will be the point in which you'll be able to see the quick descent into... a Marxist hellscape because everybody that is going to come after him is going to be worse than him. Democrats really foobarred this up. The fact that they were like, well, the only person we got is the only person we got is Cuomo, Andrew Cuomo, that guy, the guy who killed old people during COVID because he was shoving COVID people in nursing homes, wasn't prepared, decided to make it political. It's That's the guy that that was their best choice. I saw a tweet and I will hold up. But if I save this, I just got to find where I saved it. Give me a minute. I saw a tweet where someone said. And they had an end of one of their parents. Disclosure context. One of their parents was in the nursing home. They had parents, both of them. were in the nursing home. One of them ended up dying. One of their parents ended up dying because they contracted COVID from the people that Cuomo was shoving in the nursing homes. So they blame Andrew Cuomo for killing their parent. And they had tweeted, Andrew Cuomo killed my father and I'm still supporting him over Mamdani for mayor. Just so you know the state of things in New York City, that's it. That's it. But Cuomo ran. I've never seen anybody run a race, I think, as badly as he has. He's run a really bad race. It doesn't matter if Slee was in it or not. I mean, he just doesn't have a shot in Hades. It's just not going to happen. It's not going to happen. You know, they tracked down because he wanted to try to defend himself from the accusations that He hates Jewish people, which he does. I'm sorry. I don't know how you can say that you don't when you refuse to condemn. Very easy. Globalize the intifada. When you refuse to say that, when you refuse to condemn from the river to the sea, when you're campaigning with a literal unindicted 9-11 co-conspirator, who, again, all that guy's kids are in jail in life sentences because... They ran a kiddie terror training camp in New Mexico, just FYI. I don't understand how anyone can think that you don't dislike Jews when you do all of that stuff. So he decided to try to avail himself of these accusations, and he came up with this ad. It's like this ad where he had Jews for Zoran, an ad campaign. One of the rabbis in the Jews for Zoran And as Kane noted, yes, he can't legally freeze rent. One of the people in the Jews for Zoran ad campaign is, quote, from the Free Beacon, a transgender rabbi who was booted from a Biden White House event for disrupting the event for going off on Israel. That's one of the people. Oh, yeah. Look at that. That sounds like a very... Orthodox person there, Kane. Somebody follows the book by the letter. Transgender rabbi who got thrown out of a Biden White House event because they went bonkers on. This is their ad. This is cut 24. This is the transgender rabbi for Zoran. Listen to this. Hi, rabbi.
SPEAKER 24 :
Hi, rabbi. Hi Rabbi! Hi Rabbi! Hi Rabbi!
SPEAKER 1 :
Hi!
SPEAKER 06 :
We're among the thousands of Jewish New Yorkers who've been out door knocking and phone banking to elect Zoran Mamdani. We're also rabbis.
SPEAKER 01 :
We know Zoran will fight to make our city affordable and safe for our families.
SPEAKER 06 :
And for our neighbors of all faiths and backgrounds. As New Yorkers, we're also just people who live here. Who don't want to get priced out of this incredible city that we call home. Remember that? All right, we're good.
SPEAKER 23 :
One of these things is not like the other. First off, they're very progressive. I've never seen people like, yes, commit seppuku. Like, almost literally like that. Rabbi Abby Stein. Could you tell which one that feller was, Cain? Or, I mean, that lady?
SPEAKER 12 :
No, you're right. It was a feller.
SPEAKER 23 :
Can I be, now, on a scale of 1 to 10, how honest you want me to be? Of course, 11. Okay, so it looks like he did his makeup in a moving car that was going over speed bumps with his feet.
SPEAKER 22 :
And he also had the lowest voice. Hi, I'm a female rabbi for Zoran. Vote for me, or listen to me, a woman. I'm a woman. That guy. It puts the lotion in the basket or it gets the... Excuse me, it's ma'am.
SPEAKER 23 :
It is ma'am. Just saying. Golly. He's the guy who he identifies as a chick and he's the transgender rabbi. Now he's headlining this ad campaign. He's done some other stuff online for him. He really does not like I don't even think he likes his own background. When you hear him talk about it, he does not like Israel. And it's not one of those things where I just don't like what Herzog is doing. I disagree with these statements or I disagree with this policy. No, they're not really seem like they're that particular. They just don't like all of them. That that's a problem. You know what I'm saying? That's like saying, oh, I really hate the United States. I hate those devils, the Americans. Well, what specifically like do you what policy? I don't know. I just hate all of you. See, that might be you're bigoted towards Americans when you reverse that and you apply that towards any other nation, maybe even Israel. That sounds like you just don't like them because of who they are. You see what I'm saying here? That's where we're at. Half of these people who go out there who think that politics began the day that they were born, they cannot tell you a single thing about Israeli government, but they just know they don't like the Jews. And then they want to sit here and blaspheme and say Christ is king. Okay. My heavens. So, you know, I'm just amazed at How far? Well, am I that? I mean, he if anything saves the radicals in the Democrat Party nationally, it will be what they're doing in Manhattan. The rest of the party nationwide is turning on this, but not Manhattan. But then you got to ask yourself, are there going to be that many people left after all is said and done? I don't know. I just don't know. Not not at all. We got a lot more. I mean, I got this. I got some stuff on snap because they're voting in the Senate and where it's not going to work. Was this 13th? Yeah. The 13th vote. Yeah. Jiminy Christmas. 13 times. You know it's not going to. And then we're going to get into that. We also have... We got some stuff on, as you know, The Woke Rite. But I also have to say, too, my husband and I are celebrating 25 years of marriage today. 25 years. Isn't that crazy? Because it doesn't feel like it's been 25 years. And I... It's been a very, very interesting and very fun journey. And I can't imagine doing it any other way with anybody else. So we're very, very blessed in that regard. But damn, 25 years, 25 years. I have zero issue with using lethal force to protect myself or a loved one. But I also realize that there are certain situations that we all, by nature of being adults and having to do what we got to do in life, find ourselves in where we are disarmed by municipal or private property restrictions. And so in that instance, you definitely still need something that you can use to defend yourself. And this is where the burner gun comes in. It shoots chemical irritant projectiles that can deter threats from up to 50 feet away. Now, maybe you think I'm good, I'm carrying a stun gun, but that's like one or two shots. This thing, the CL, and that's the one I would suggest to you, stands for compact launcher. The Berna CL has a 15 round shot capacity per cartridge. There's no recoil, none. Easy target acquisition. So if you want to be able to protect yourself, but you're in a place where you're disarmed really from doing so, this is where the Berna gun comes in because it doesn't care about gun-free zone signs. It doesn't answer them. Not a gun, right? It doesn't answer to them. There's no background check. There's no fees. There's no nothing. They can send it right to your door. This is a great idea for college students who are under the age of 21 but still have to be on their own to go to school. You can find it, B-Y-R-N-A, Burna.com slash Dana. It's the CL, the compact launcher, very small. It's like the size of a phone. B-Y-R-N-A, Burna.com slash Dana. Ready when you are.
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SPEAKER 15 :
I've got Dan Morgan here on the pod. Say hi, Dan. Hey, how's it going today?
SPEAKER 16 :
It's going good, man. Tell us who you are and what you do. I'm Dan Morgan. I'm an attorney and a managing partner at Morgan & Morgan, which is America's largest injury law firm.
SPEAKER 15 :
That's pretty awesome. I think I saw a billboard of yours recently that said $20 billion won. $20 billion is an insane number.
SPEAKER 16 :
Yeah, 20 billion recovered. It's actually, I think, somewhere north, probably closer to 22, 23 after this year. And each year we get bigger and badder and our army grows. So the number will hopefully keep getting bigger and bigger as time goes on. Awesome.
SPEAKER 15 :
So how does someone get in contact with Morgan & Morgan? What would I do if I got into an accident?
SPEAKER 16 :
Probably the easiest way is dialing Pound Law. That's Pound 529 from your cell phone. We are always open. Our call center is always waiting to take your call. 24-7-365. Wow.
SPEAKER 15 :
Dan Morgan from Morgan & Morgan, America's large injury law firm. Thanks for coming by the show.
SPEAKER 16 :
Thanks for having me. Visit ForThePeople.com for an office near you. It's his life mission to make bad decisions.
SPEAKER 12 :
It's time for Florida Man.
SPEAKER 23 :
I don't know when people are going to learn. New dude, after running from Florida traffic stop. This happened actually just yesterday. Lake Wales, Florida. A Florida man was arrested after he fled a traffic stop. Ended up in a swamp, according to Polk County Sheriff's Office. They said that John Riff... That sounds like a fake name. John Riff honestly sounds like the name of Patrick Swayze's deputy bodyguard in Roadhouse. Anyway, he... Listen, listen to the street name. He fled on foot from a traffic stop in the area of Shellcracker Drive and Catfish Road, where you live at right there upon Shellcracker and Catfish. That's where I'm at. I mean, what a crossroad right there. I would actually pay to rename my streets that. So he tried to evade authorities. He buried himself in a muddy swamp. But guess what? You cannot out full. You cannot fool canine. They got him. He had some drugs on his person. He did not have a valid driver's license. And also, he's already on felony probation for possession of meth. That's methed up, y'all. So, he's in trouble. I'm surprised he didn't get gobbled up by a damn gator, if I'm being honest. Like, I mean, you might as well just, it's like 50-50. A Florida man got charged after a sucker punch outside of the Aldi. Left the guy in a coma. Holy moly. Broward Sheriff's Office. They said that a Florida man is sought because he violently sucker punched a shopper and left the dude in a coma. They announced the arrest of DeAndre Johnson, 45, after. publicly pleading for tips to identify him. It was in Lauderdale Lakes, and it's caught on CCTV. He's facing a charge of felony battery causing great bodily harm, permanent disability, or permanent disfigurement. And they did get a lot of tips, though. But It was like 7 p.m. at the Aldi. It captured the victim who was with his service dog. He got into a verbal argument with Johnson inside the store. Johnson's like way bigger than this dude. As he Johnson then exited the store and waited for the victim outside. Right. Right outside the doors. And then the video shows the victim walking out with the service dog. And then Johnson sucker punches him so hard. The guy falls, strikes his head real hard, like bounced on the ground like a basketball. That dude is in he's in a coma and he's got permanent. injuries now. And I hope the dog's OK. And they said he he was saying that the attack was provoked and he claimed that the guy's service dog had attacked him. And that's not at all supported by any of the CCTV footage. So the judge set his bond at one hundred thousand and he looks like trouble. He looks like I've got it. I have a very harsh. We don't have harsh enough penalties for stuff like this. I think you do something like that. Then you should be put into a coma. And then if you're burdened on the taxpayer, you should be eliminated. It's not cruel and unusual. You know, what's cruel and unusual is allowing people like this to plague free people like a virus. Good and free people. You have no right to demand that they have to put up with stuff like this. These criminals thrive on the indulgence of a weak society's understanding.
SPEAKER 12 :
Anyway, I want to plead for some prison justice in this one.
SPEAKER 23 :
I mean, you guys know how I feel. I'm all happy to donate to the commissary for prison justice advocates. That's all I'm saying. People find Jesus in prison all the time. I'm just saying. Also, I got another one. Hold up. Nope, not reading that one. Or this one. I told you about, well, a Florida woman threatened to blow up a high school over her daughter's boyfriend's missing lunch. Sounds weird. So true story. Brandy Covington, you know, it was a woman named Brandy. I know I like women named Brandy's, but they are rumble rumbly. She decided the best way to handle her daughter's boyfriend not getting his school lunch was to threaten to, quote, burn the school down and blow that blanking school up. Because that's exactly how you respond when something goes wrong in a school cafeteria. It all started when she called Rockledge High School's cafeteria mad that the daughter's boyfriend had his lunch taken away because he didn't have sufficient funds in his account. Where are the boyfriend's parents? It seems like that's the boyfriend's parents' job to do. Also, if he didn't have enough money in his account, he could have maybe just... I mean, clearly he called them and told them what happened, but he could have said, can you bring me some money so I can get some lunch? Now she's like she's dealing with she had a post seventy five thousand dollar bond. She was in Brevard County Jail. This is crazy. We have our third hour on the way. Stick with us. Our partners that help make it possible. It's the folks over at Ammo Squared. They have you covered for all of your ammunition needs. It's a very worry free, easy, simple solution. You're collecting ammo for the future and you're a void person. getting caught empty-handed. Everybody remembers panic buying of 2020. Everything, all the shelves were empty. Ammo prices, like, basically cost a kidney. And everybody regretted everything. There's some bad, people settled for some bad stuff. I remember. You can choose from over 70 calibers, set your monthly budget at Ammo Squared, and then let them curate your supply automatically. So you set up, forget it, ship it when you need it. And it's all stored in a secure climate-controlled facility. It keeps your ammo fresh and safe until you decide to get it delivered. There's no minimums, no hidden fees. You get free shipping and orders over $250. Great. If you're trying out new calibers, you want to top off some training rounds, stay ready for whatever comes next. And you can join over 100,000 members like me and a community with thousands of five-star reviews. My only regret is that I didn't invent the business. Visit AmmoSquared.com. Secure your ammo supply for the future. Do not run out when it counts. Stock up before training. Restock after to stay ready. AmmoSquared.com. Tell them Dana sent you.
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SPEAKER 15 :
I've got Dan Morgan here on the pod. Say hi, Dan. Hey, how's it going today?
SPEAKER 16 :
It's going good, man. Tell us who you are and what you do. I'm Dan Morgan. I'm an attorney and a managing partner at Morgan & Morgan, which is America's largest injury law firm.
SPEAKER 14 :
That's pretty awesome.
SPEAKER 16 :
Why do you guys think you win so many cases? The insurance companies and other companies that we go against know that we're going to take it to the end, that we believe in the case. So we fight for every dollar and we're not afraid to go that extra mile for our clients. Are insurance companies like actually afraid of you guys? We don't bluff. We take it to trial and we are not strangers of getting very, very, very large verdicts.
SPEAKER 15 :
Awesome. So how does someone get in contact with Morgan & Morgan? What would I do if I got into an accident?
SPEAKER 16 :
Probably the easiest way is dialing Pound Law. That's Pound 529 from your cell phone. Our call center is always waiting to take your call. 24-7, 365. Wow.
SPEAKER 15 :
Dan Morgan from Morgan & Morgan, America's largest injury law firm. Thanks for coming by the show.
SPEAKER 16 :
Thanks for having me. Visit ForThePeople.com for an office near you.
SPEAKER 04 :
What do you say to those constituents who are worried about feeding their families?
SPEAKER 20 :
Well, this is the most cruel thing that the Republicans have done since the shutdown started. 42 million people are on SNAP. That is basic food assistance. It is the most effective anti-hunger program that we have ever had.
SPEAKER 23 :
Is it, though? If it's so effective, then why does it keep ballooning? You can say that, well, Dana, that's because of its efficacy or because all of the solutions that government has had to this issue have only made people easier in being in that situation as opposed to assisting them in getting out of it and rising above it. I mean, that's insane. I mean, you're talking about over 40 million people that are on food stamps. Welcome back to the program. Dana Lash with you. This is a, a I was actually, I mean, I knew it was a lot. Kane, did you know that it was like over 40 million? I mean, you knew it was a lot, but when you actually see the hard data, it's like, what the?
SPEAKER 12 :
It's crazy. That's, what is that? Like 12 plus percent of the entire population?
SPEAKER 23 :
Yeah, it's like over 11% of the population. So everybody think about that for a moment. Over 11% of the population is on food stamps. Now, here's the other question that I had on this. How many of those people are in the country legally? Do we know? Or illegally, rather. How many are in the country illegally? I feel like that's a big thing. Right? That's pretty... That's pretty huge. Well, we know that they were already getting an insane amount of government handouts. I mean, we saw that with USAID. I saw that for one of the USDA, and I was looking at this, and I went... I wanted to run this by because I don't believe AI. I can tell when somebody gives me an AI answer and I cannot stand AI. Let me just caution you real quick and come back to my point. Be very careful about using AI for stuff because AI, first off, you can bias AI super easy. in the manner in which you ask a question. If you want it to give you a conservative answer or a progressive answer or a whatever answer, you can absolutely ask it verbatim to do that. But you can also intimate what sort of context you want your answer to come back to you as by the phrasing and the manner in which you ask it. So that's number one. Number two, AI pulls from, data includes opinions on X. if it's Grok particularly. Data includes opinions on social media editorials. It comes and it kind of takes a quick assessment of everything that it sees online. Because I have done as a test, a number of things. The only time I've actually ever really used AI was to try to try to dispute AI. And there were certain things that had gotten incredibly incorrect. AI has, especially like, for instance, with Second Amendment issues. I've been poring over a crime statistics measuring different European nations. I have a debate coming up compared to that of the United States and. Because certain countries actually under report their murders and homicide and murder are categorized and collected differently because homicide generally as a total can also includes not can, but it also includes justifiable homicides, which is why the homicide rate always looks way higher. And there's no differentiation of that, especially in certain nations. And for instance, England and Wales only consider homicides. They only count their cases if the suspect involved in said case is prosecuted. Otherwise, that does not make their statistics. And that comes from actually their own police in England and in Wales. So when you're asking AI, AI does not include these nuances and it will give you a completely wholly incorrect answer there. That is colorized by bias because it's pulling from bias. So it's not actually any better than basically a search engine. Maybe one day that will change. But as of right now, it's not. So you've got to be very, very careful when you're looking at AI generated answers and going off that as gospel truth, because you may be perpetuating progressive bias. So I went and I was looking at this data because I didn't necessarily trust it. And I was looking at household SNAP participation rates because they were saying that, well, when you break it down per census and you look at native born Americans and then you look at, excuse me, people who immigrated into the country. Previously, when you would look at snap rates of actual United States citizens, and this is something that would make people really mad, but actually poor whites were getting quite a bit. followed like right behind by black Americans in urban communities. I mean, right behind it. I mean, it's very close. And it didn't take into effect, you know, people who immigrated in the United States, etc. So what this examination did was it was looking at SNAP participants like from everywhere and Not just people who were born in the United States, but people who immigrated into the United States. And the reliance is actually extraordinarily high. And now there's an asterisk here. Immigrant communities. What does that mean? They're not illegal. That's the other thing that's actually not being tabulated into this. There is a significant number that are here illegally that are still receiving those benefits. And, you know, you can buy and sell benefits like that. That's like with DoorDash. One of the reasons I don't use DoorDash is because and it was on their website for a while. There are screenshots before they scrubbed it. They actually don't require they were telling people per the screenshots that are all over the Internet and the website that was that was way back archived before it changed that you just needed a work. I didn't was it kind of work identification number, not necessarily a social security number. And then also people buy and sell DoorDash accounts and they allow people to rent them. So you might have like Tiffany Smith and then it could be like, you know, Mohammed Mohammed, who's like running the account. I mean, it's not necessarily Tiffany Smith. And that's I actually started looking into that because there would be times that we would get things delivered and it would be like a female and then it was just like a six foot two dude who would drop off stuff at the door who totally did not look at all like the female who owned the account. And that's actually a demonstrably proven issue that DoorDash has. So my point being and coming back to this is that there's a significant number of people. They said it was like 46 percent for Afghans, 42 percent for Somalis. And of course, then that gets into Minneapolis that are receiving a significant number of or a pretty sizable amount of taxpayer money in terms of benefits. This is insane. It's absolutely insane. I mean, you're talking about thousands and thousands and thousands and thousands of people. The largest demo is still poor whites, but followed closely by urban black Americans. But this is forced charity. I don't even think I mean, you could sit here and get into the numbers. I actually think that that's irrelevant. All of the percentages of what race gets what is entirely irrelevant. This whole program is stupid. This is an idiotic program. It is forced charity. It's actually not charity. It's welfare. And it has ballooned since its inception. I mean, eleventy times what it was originally. It is clearly not being used as a temporary safety net. It is being used as a lifestyle. That's why you got all these videos of people screaming about losing. I mean, these are like young people that can go out and work and they're screaming about losing benefits. As I said earlier, I don't think that if you're receiving government benefits, you should not you should not be able to vote. I don't think you should be able to vote. If you're getting government benefits, if you are receiving taxpayer-funded entitlements like SNAP, because it's actually at a disadvantage to the hardworking taxpayer, the government is buying your vote. The government's buying your vote. And if you want to be able to vote, then you should work very, very hard to immediately get off benefits. I don't have a problem with that, Cain. I mean, some of our founders didn't think you should be able to vote unless you own property. which I'm also not, I'm really sympathetic to that argument. I'll put it like that. Very sympathetic to that argument. But this is wild. This is unsustainable, guys. This is entirely unsustainable. And then you have Democrats out there. Republicans want people to starve. Let me tell you something. One of the biggest costs that families have to deal with is healthcare. In addition to their day-to-day living, healthcare expenses, their health insurance, coverage and care for their children. This is a huge issue. If you want to talk about the cruelty of Republicans that are trying to save other hardworking taxpayers, by the way, these taxpayers are almost on entitlements too. They're so overburdened with high taxation. Healthcare costs because of Obamacare are killing people. The subsidies, the fact that you even have to have subsidies is proof that it doesn't work. It's proof that it's not fiscally sustainable. But what's more, they fought against tooth and nail making it affordable. I always hear these accusations that Republicans didn't do anything. Let me tell you something. Republicans had not one, but they had three plans. One of them was really good. And that's one that, in fact, when Rand Paul was in the Senate, he was calling out saying that that needed to be brought up. And I think he actually did the compliment to that in the Senate, if memory serves. Now, this is back in like 2010. But there were three other pieces of legislation, each one of them better than what Democrats were foisting on Americans. And what was included in this is portability because they did not believe that the they did not believe that. People should have their insurance tied to their employer. You should be able to take it with you wherever you went. Supportability. They did not believe in the restrictions and regulations that prevented insurance companies from competing across state lines because who benefits when everyone's competing for your dollar? You do. You get lower costs, better service, better care, better plans, period. You do. You benefit. They were they also had really good rewrites of how insurance companies were handling preexisting conditions the whole nine yards. Can you imagine having portable health insurance that you could afford, that's affordable for your whole family, that you could take wherever you moved in the country, didn't matter who your employer was, you would always have it with you? Democrats said hell no, and they fought tooth and nail to make sure those bills never got out of committee. That is fact. In fact, one of the bills I broke down on my radio program live on air. That's fact. So whenever they tell you that the GOP didn't have any... have any proposals, that's an outright lie. Now, of the three, like I said, all three were better than the Democrat proposal. Of the three, one was better than the other two. It was like a gradient, you know, like Mama and Papa Bear and Goldilocks, right? This bed's too soft. This bed's too... But they didn't want to make it affordable. 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SPEAKER 15 :
I've got Dan Morgan here on the pod. Say hi, Dan. Hey, how's it going today?
SPEAKER 16 :
It's going good, man. Tell us who you are and what you do. I'm Dan Morgan. I'm an attorney and a managing partner at Morgan & Morgan, which is America's largest injury law firm.
SPEAKER 15 :
That's pretty awesome. I think I saw a billboard of yours recently that said $20 billion won. $20 billion is an insane number.
SPEAKER 16 :
Yeah, 20 billion recovered. It's actually, I think, somewhere north, probably closer to 22, 23 after this year. And each year we get bigger and badder and our army grows. So the number will hopefully keep getting bigger and bigger as time goes on. Awesome.
SPEAKER 15 :
So how does someone get in contact with Morgan & Morgan? What would I do if I got into an accident?
SPEAKER 16 :
Probably the easiest way is dialing Pound Law. That's Pound 529 from your cell phone. We are always open. Our call center is always waiting to take your call. 24-7-365. Wow.
SPEAKER 15 :
Dan Morgan from Morgan & Morgan, America's largest injury law firm. Thanks for coming by the show.
SPEAKER 16 :
Thanks for having me. Visit ForThePeople.com for an office near you.
SPEAKER 12 :
And now, all of the news you would probably miss. It's time for Dana's Quick 5.
SPEAKER 23 :
This is a question. I did not have this on my bingo card. The Pope's new astronomer says he would baptize an alien. Pope Leo's astronomers... Do you have an astronomer? Said he would baptize an alien into the Catholic Church. Father Richard D'Souza says little green dudes, they are they would be one of God's creatures. God didn't say that he didn't make aliens. So that's why I'm not going to have like, you know, an existential crisis if they pop into the atmosphere, by the way. But yeah, he said he's a cleric who's been appointed chief astronomer to Pope Leo at the Vatican Observatory. And he said that, yeah, he'd baptize him. Interesting, an alien. All right, so a, man, this is a total like Lemony Snicket series of unfortunate events here. A man's truck was flipped and then it got hit by a train. And then I love all of these ads that immediately start playing. It happened near Green Mountain Racetrack. This is in Vermont. This 27 year old man rolled his truck. It was resting on its roof, right on the train tracks. This is like a horrible action movie. And then the train arrived. He was able to get out of the truck. He only had minor injuries. The southbound train was unable to be contacted and collided with the truck. So there were no injuries and the crash is still under investigation. A shooting suspect targeted a neighbor over concerns of a horse getting too fat. That's okay. Okay. A man is accused of shooting his neighbor. And yeah, it's Polk County. Actually, this could have been a Florida man, technically. No, well, it's a Houston. This was in Florida, but he's a Houston man. He's being held in Polk County Jail with no bond. 39-year-old is charged with aggravated assault with a deadly weapon. And he's also being held on aggravated assault of a family member as well, related to a Harris County case. in Texas case. So they, the victim said that the neighbor, the instigator, shot her in the arm because he was upset that she kept feeding her own horse that was kept on his property with permission. He was, did not want the horse to get fat. So instead of, you know, amicably discussing it with the neighbor, he decides to shoot her in the arm. You know, this is why alien, this is why the Pope can't baptize an alien because they're not going to come visit us because of this kind of stuff. Oh, look, now they're trying to do these stories again. They're trying to say ivermectin is to blame for the death of a Colorado woman. But it's not. I don't have time to get the story because we have Senator Marsha Blackburn coming up. Stick with us. If you're dealing with everyday aches and pains, you need to have Relief Factor as your 100 percent drug free solution to help you manage them. And they it's like I said, research based formula all created to support a healthy response to inflammation. and decrease discomfort from exercise and aging and everyday living. It targets the inflammation that can keep you from doing the exercise you need and enjoying the things that you love freely and with maximum mobility. Try Relief Factor's three-week quick start for just $19.95. That's only 95 cents a day. It's less than a cup of coffee. Visit relieffactor.com or call 1-800-4-RELIEF to get your three-week quick start today for only $19.95. Support your body with natural anti-inflammatory power and see if Relief Factor is right for you.
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SPEAKER 15 :
I've got Dan Morgan here on the pod. Say hi, Dan.
SPEAKER 16 :
Hey, how's it going today? It's going good, man. Tell us who you are and what you do. I'm Dan Morgan. I'm an attorney and a managing partner at Morgan & Morgan, which is America's largest injury law firm.
SPEAKER 15 :
That's pretty awesome. I think I saw a billboard of yours recently that said $20 billion won. $20 billion is an insane number.
SPEAKER 16 :
Yeah, 20 billion recovered. It's actually, I think, somewhere north, probably closer to 22, 23 after this year. And each year we get bigger and badder and our army grows. So the number will hopefully keep getting bigger and bigger as time goes on. Awesome.
SPEAKER 15 :
So how does someone get in contact with Morgan & Morgan? What would I do if I got into an accident?
SPEAKER 16 :
Probably the easiest way is dialing Pound Law. That's Pound 529 from your cell phone. We are always open. Our call center is always waiting to take your call. 24-7-365. Wow.
SPEAKER 15 :
Dan Morgan from Morgan & Morgan, America's largest injury law firm. Thanks for coming by the show.
SPEAKER 16 :
Thanks for having me. Visit ForThePeople.com for an office near you.
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SPEAKER 23 :
Welcome back to the program. You can listen to the show all across the nation. Dana Lash with you. Channel 347, DirecTV, the simulcast of it. 14 times? I'm losing count of how many times Democrats have voted to keep government shut down. It's going to be 14. It's 13 now. Soon it's going to be 14? They really don't want... I'm all right with government not being open, but I know we've got to get some things done. Joining us right now from one of my favorite states in the union, Senator Marsha Blackburn from the beautiful state of Tennessee, also a gubernatorial candidate. She joins us from D.C. and I know she's going to get ready to go and vote. Senator, always good to have you. Are we at 13 or 14 now? You know better.
SPEAKER 21 :
We're at 14. And the Democrats continue to vote to keep the government shut down. But bear in mind, Dana, this is the Schumer shutdown. He had wanted this for months. And they're wanting it because they want to basically spend $1.5 trillion over the next seven weeks. and a big part of their goal is to give health care to illegal aliens and also they've always looked at obamacare as a step toward government-run socialized medicine and they think if they can keep the biden covid credit bonus that was put on during covid remember when they took the caps off you didn't have to have any income um verification and there were zero dollar premiums and you could be making a half million dollars a year and get a covid sub a subsidy for an obamacare plan well they think if they can make that permanent then it helps them get more people on Obamacare, which helps them get closer to government-run health care where they control what kind of insurance you have, which would be government, what kind of doctor you can see, which controlled by the government, what hospital you go to, and what kind of health care you get. So that is their goal in all of this, and as I've said, They don't care if people are suffering. They know people are suffering because they're not getting SNAP benefits, but they're okay with that because it gives them leverage and they are power hungry and control hungry and they want that leverage.
SPEAKER 23 :
I can't imagine, Senator, if you had gone on television and said, yes, this is leverage for Republicans to use for us to get what we want. You know the pushback on you would be so great, but they can say it and the whole party's like, well, yeah, that's pretty much exactly what we're doing. I hope voters see this. It seems like they are because the polls are in y'all's favor.
SPEAKER 21 :
Yes, indeed. And whether it was Catherine Clark, who's in the House, or Chris Coons, who's in the Senate, they talked about wanting leverage and using people suffering to get leverage. I mean, this is just so unseemly. It's a clean CR. These are numbers they have voted for five times in the past. They need to do their job. continue the current funding level, open the government. And then as we get to the approves bills, which, by the way, eight of those came out of the Appropriations Committee on a bipartisan vote. There's 12 bills. Eight of them are bipartisan. Then that's where you discuss what the actual outlays are going to be.
SPEAKER 23 :
And it kind of for those joining us, we're talking with Senator Marsha Blackburn from the great state of Tennessee. You know, it seems to as I mean, we're still a little bit off from the election cycle, but it does really seem like the left and Democrat Party is really trying to use, you know, the suffering and the as you said, using it as leverage. But. This kind of dovetails into what they've been doing in terms of political violence as a way of agitation, as a way of building momentum to support them when they have no policies to engender support either. I know that you're preparing for a hearing on political violence to tell folks the subcommittee on the Constitution hearing on left wing politically violent attacks, which is absolutely a threat to constitutional order. Tell me what you're hoping to to to uncover and show the public from this hearing.
SPEAKER 21 :
Yes. Yes, indeed. And what we know is the Democrats under Joe Biden and previously under Barack Obama, they weaponized the federal government. And we saw it with the Biden DOJ, the Biden FBI, where they went after conservatives and parents at school board meetings and pro-lifers. Even eight of us in the U.S. Senate were surveilled by the Biden FBI and DOJ. So, we know that has happened. We know they've also, after Charlie Kirk was murdered, we have seen some of the comments there. So, we're going to cover that this afternoon in the hearing. Michael Knowles from Daily Wire, Michael's a Tennessean. He's one of the witnesses for this hearing today. We're also going to hear from Chad Wolf. as we look at these threats that are being carried out. And it's so interesting. You'll hear the Democrats say, well, it's from the left and it's from the right. Well, no, the violence is coming from the left. And many times it is violence against the right and also the left. But the violence seems to be centered. It is those groups on the left that are carrying out the violence and the threats.
SPEAKER 23 :
And they're very well organized and very well funded. And very well funded, yes. Yes. Is there a chance and this is where I know what I know and I know what I don't. But this is your wheelhouse. Is there a chance of like, I don't know, some kind of RICO investigation? Because clearly these organizations, they're all linked together. I mean, it's you know, it's all public open secrets, open the books, all of it. Right. And, you know, whether it's, you know, promoting and funding bail funds all the way from BLM, even going back to Antifa from Chaz Chop and all of that, all very well connected, very well funded with the, you know, obviously explicit purpose of fomenting violence as a way to chill dissent and redirect energy for voting. Is there a chance of something like that? Do you think enough evidence can can can fit that bill for that to happen?
SPEAKER 21 :
Yes, I do indeed. As we work through these investigations and also as the House, we're ready for them to come back to work. But House judiciary also beginning to look at who is doing the funding on these groups. And yes, indeed, you're correct on that. And there will be investigations into who is actually funding this. As you said, They're well organized. When you have people that have all of this equipment, they have all of these supplies. It is all new. It is very well organized. You know that somebody is putting a lot of money into this.
SPEAKER 23 :
And the sad thing is, too, is how many people under the Biden-Harris administration, even going back to Obama-Biden, I remember us Tea Party groups. I mean, we had our tax statuses blocked by, you know, the same government. That bends over the same Democrat regime that bent over to help these groups. One last quick thing. I know that one of the things that you're you're looking at is this Arctic frost probe that where you had Chris Ray, Merrick Garland targeting GOP groups, you, as you just mentioned as well. And the receipts, there are plenty documents prove it. Yes.
SPEAKER 21 :
Yes, there are. There are so many receipts on this, Dana, that Jack Smith has actually said that he would come in to testify, but he wanted assurances he would not be punished. So he is telling us in that statement, basically, that he knows he's guilty, that yes, indeed, they did this. And they got a subpoena. They surveilled U.S. senators. They went after these conservative groups, thank goodness. Kash Patel has fired every one of those attorneys, FBI staff that worked with Jack Smith. But Jack Smith needs to come in and testify. And as you said, Chris Wray wrote the memo on this, and Lisa Monaco and Merrick Garland signed off. on the memo. And basically it was a, hey, we think there might have been some activity here that could be alleged to have not been proper. And we want to go look at people that supported Donald Trump and look at Donald Trump. And it was one of those big wide net fishing expeditions. And all of these people need to be held to account. And we intend to hold them to account. Because it's a clear violation of our First and Fourth Amendment rights, the separation of powers, the speech and debate clause, and the Stored Communications Act.
SPEAKER 23 :
Amen to that. We're going to be watching this, Senator. We know your time is short because you've got to race back to the floor for another vote.
SPEAKER 04 :
That's right. We appreciate your attention.
SPEAKER 23 :
Thank you so much for your time.
SPEAKER 01 :
Appreciate you.
SPEAKER 23 :
That's Senator Marsha Blackburn, everybody from the great state of Tennessee. That is, you know, she's mentioning, you know, with all of the money and the funding that's been going into all of these, you know, whether it's anti-ice or anti in all of these different cities. I mean, we know that it is part of a trend from the left. Again, going back to the Tea Party days when they were using the IRS. And that's why Lois Lerner had to resign. Everybody remembers her name. She was the head of that charitable division or that tax exempt division at the IRS, the 501 C3s, the C4s. And I know I mean, our group they were messing with. The Richmond, Virginia group was one that really they came down on them. There were a handful of them where they were delaying their paperwork, denying them in certain aspects so that they could not properly organize, because at some point. when you're accepting money for the purpose of, I know, I get it, you know, money, free speech, this stuff is kind of an anti-1A thing, but this is the way the law is right now. But they were doing everything that they could, I think, not only to silence these groups, but also to tie them up so that they would be in violation of, of some sort of FEC regulation and that then there could be penalties applied to them for wrong think. I mean, that was the whole. So there's this huge trend. I mean, they've been doing this for so long. I mean, you guys remember Clinton weaponized the IRS. He was going after people who were in conservative talk radio in the 90s. Bill Clinton. This is for fact, because, again, receipts always come out. He was going after people who were television personalities at the time. I think it was Bill O'Reilly was one of the guys that he actively went after for criticizing him in the 90s and was using the IRS to do it. Barack Obama did the same thing. Joe Biden did the same thing. The crazy thing is that Republicans, you never hear about them weaponizing the agencies like this. It's only when they try to get them in order that everyone calls them fascists. And by the way, sidebar. Of all the people that are in my timeline, and I can tell most of them are foreign bots, none of them can spell fascist. None of them came. Not a single one. I mean, I think I'm going to do a separate post about it on Substack. I had like 30-some-odd accounts.
SPEAKER 12 :
None of them could spell it. Nor can they define it.
SPEAKER 23 :
And you know that it's a SIM card or a phone in a rack somewhere because they... I mean, when you're on X, it underlines it, for crying out loud. Like, there's a red line underneath, so you can just... Or it'll autocorrect. It's not going to do that if you're a phone in a rack, is it? Just saying. Yeah.
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SPEAKER 15 :
I've got Dan Morgan here on the pod. Say hi, Dan. Hey, how's it going today?
SPEAKER 16 :
It's going good, man. Tell us who you are and what you do. I'm Dan Morgan. I'm an attorney and a managing partner at Morgan & Morgan, which is America's largest injury law firm.
SPEAKER 15 :
That's pretty awesome. I think I saw a billboard of yours recently that said $20 billion won. $20 billion is an insane number.
SPEAKER 16 :
Yeah, 20 billion recovered. It's actually, I think, somewhere north, probably closer to 22, 23 after this year. And each year we get bigger and badder and our army grows. So the number will hopefully keep getting bigger and bigger as time goes on. Awesome.
SPEAKER 15 :
So how does someone get in contact with Morgan & Morgan? What would I do if I got into an accident?
SPEAKER 16 :
Probably the easiest way is dialing Pound Law. That's Pound 529 from your cell phone. We are always open. Our call center is always waiting to take your call. 24-7-365. Wow.
SPEAKER 15 :
Dan Morgan from Morgan & Morgan, America's largest injury law firm. Thanks for coming by the show.
SPEAKER 16 :
Thanks for having me. Visit ForThePeople.com for an office near you.
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SPEAKER 04 :
And I agree, that ballroom better be torn down. That arc to Trump, if it ever goes up. The ballroom's not going to be torn down. Well, it's going to have to be at least de-gilded. Let's put it that way. And then that arc to Trump that he's putting up, I don't even understand what that is. We got to look at that. But the point is, that's not enough, right?
SPEAKER 23 :
It's a free ballroom. Like, who among us, you get a free gift. He's paying for it and private donors are paying for it. Not a cent of taxpayer dollars. What is the problem? No, we wanted the crappy asbestos low ceiling office spaces that weren't being used except by the first lady for some of her secretaries. Yeah, we wanted that. Says nobody ever except for statists. How stupid is that? I mean.
SPEAKER 12 :
Literally, heads of state would have to walk in the mud if it rained in order to just enjoy dinner or some time with the president.
SPEAKER 23 :
Yeah, we can't have big state dinners inside. They all had to be outside. And one of my friends, who is a member of the White House press pool, always hated whenever they would do state dinners when it was cold outside because it's cold for the... They were complaining. They're like, it's cold for the press. But also the bathroom situation was abysmal. I mean, that's not... We're the United States of America, for crying out loud. We should be able to do something like this. And I feel like a lot of these people don't know how this works because they're accusing the people of funding the ballroom, like Meta, the Winklevoss, all that, of trying to curry favor with the administration. They act like Trump is going to pack up the ballroom with him when he leaves. At the when he turns out that he's going to pack up the ballroom and take it to Mar-a-Lago with him. You know, it stays there, right? It's not like a Polly Pocket situation where it's just like do do do and one and done like it stays there. And God forbid, if it's a Democrat that's in office, they'll get to use it. So stop freaking out. You're making an issue out of nothing and it looks ridiculous. It stays there. And I don't mind the guilt. You know, Coco Chanel was wrong when she said less is more. Lies. More is more. I'm a maximalist. More is more. So you know, ladies, if you're in front of a mirror and you got your earrings and your ring and your bracelets on, you're supposed to take off one thing. I say no. I say add one thing. Add it. No to minimalism. But I only dress in black and white, not because I like post-modernism, which I don't. Modernity is heinous. It's just because I can't dress myself. It's easy. I'm not going to lie. So anyway, these people are ridiculous. I mean, you just better take it down. You want to tear it down out of spite. Guess who would pay to tear it down? Taxpayer. Then what are you going to do in its place? The taxpayer would do it. They want to saddle you with more debt because they're so petty. That's how stupid this is. Today in stupidity came.
SPEAKER 12 :
All right. Well, it's the same person. What's her name? Julie Roginsky. I don't know. All right. Well, apparently this is what she believed. This is why Trump is building a ballroom. Listen to this.
SPEAKER 05 :
question is isn't donald trump to decide who succeeds him as the nominee nobody's going to succeed him he's going to succeed himself let's let's just be real he's not building that ballroom because he's planning on leaving he's not going anywhere and nobody's going to get him out of there and by the that's what it is he's building the ballroom so he just never ever leaves
SPEAKER 23 :
It's not. That's not going to happen. I know that there are certain people that pay for play for their podcast that nobody watches.
SPEAKER 12 :
She's on TV all the time. Like, all the time saying this stupid stuff, and she's still on TV. How? I can't, you guys. Explain it to me.
SPEAKER 23 :
That's because he's not going to leave. I don't get it. I mean, this is not like undermining a free and fair election in 2016 where you were working with the Russians and then a disgraced spy to do it. But, you know, hey, whatevs. Folks, that's it for us today. Happy anniversary to me and my husband, 25 years. Yeah! And find us over at Substack, the exclusive story on Mandani taking money from charities up there now. Have a great night. Back with you tomorrow.
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Join us on Sportsman of Colorado as host Scott Watley delves into the world of precision rifles with Kevin Jones from Seekins Precision. Discover the latest innovations and enhancements Seekins is bringing to their rifle lineup, designed for both novice and seasoned hunters. In this episode, Kevin shares insights into what makes their rifles stand out in the crowded market, focusing on quality craftsmanship, cutting-edge technology, and the passion that goes into every firearm created under their roof. We also explore the significance of American-made firearms, direct from the heart of the industry. Kevin explains how Seekins Precision rifles are crafted with the utmost care and precision, using only the best materials and techniques, ensuring a top-tier experience for every hunter. This episode is packed with tips, personal stories, and expert advice designed to help you make the most of your hunting equipment. In addition to rifle care and selection, Scott and Kevin discuss upcoming events like the Mile High Hunting Fish Expo and relevant outdoor activities. Whether you're on the hunt for a mule deer or simply looking to upgrade your hunting arsenal, this episode is an essential listen for all outdoor enthusiasts.
SPEAKER 02 :
Welcome to Sportsman of Colorado, Colorado's premier outdoor radio show heard every Saturday afternoon on KLZ 560 with insights on hunting, fishing, archery, guns, and ammo from Colorado's top outfitters featuring the industry's leading experts on how to enhance your experience in the great outdoors. Now, here's your host, Scott Watley.
SPEAKER 06 :
Welcome to Sportsman of Colorado. Thank you so much for being with us. Hey, our show is brought to you by the Mile High Hunting Fish Expo. March 20th through the 22nd, we're going to be at the brand new National Western Center Expo Hall. More will be coming about that in months to come, but certainly wanted to mention that in our... First guest today is a great gentleman that we've had on here one other time before, Kevin, or a couple of times actually, Kevin Jones with Seekins Precision, and they are a great sponsor for us there at the Mile High Hunting Fish Expo, and I wanted to get Kevin back on here again. So, Kevin, thanks for being with us. How are you, sir?
SPEAKER 13 :
I'm doing great. Hey, Scott, thanks for having me on again.
SPEAKER 06 :
You bet, you bet. Man, in the middle of hunting season, got to visit with you yesterday a little bit. You've already had some success, so, man, congrats.
SPEAKER 13 :
A little bit, yeah, thank you. Yeah, I appreciate it. Luckily, I work for a great company that lets us take a little time off and get our own opportunities on some animals that are running around in the woods.
SPEAKER 06 :
Absolutely. You know, I was talking with actually a lady yesterday at a gun shop I was at, and she's going out for the very first time, and she was like, how does all this work and how do you do it? And I see, you know, and how long do you have to sit there? It's so fun when you, when you, you know, you've done something and then you, you, you hear somebody that's brand new. And I said, look, you can make all the plans in the world and you should plan. You should have all that. But I said, I'm telling you, it rarely goes according to plan. You know? And I said, you'll be sitting there. Yeah. yeah a plan is only as good until you get punched in the face yeah yeah and i said you you may be sitting there for hours and hours and all of a sudden you're looking to the left you turn your head the right and there he is you know you never and you're just like man it just like appeared out of nowhere you know so i said it it's a lot of fun so i said just get ready for it but um Hey, Seekins Precision and the Seekins Experience is what you guys call it now. Now I can call it that from the 7PRC that I've got. And, you know, like I said, we spoke yesterday. We were with our friends, LT Arms, and they helped me out a little bit with some loads for it. And I will say the factory loads that you gave me were very, very good, by the way. So what you told me to shoot through it actually worked. But, you know, I just wanted to – I said, hey, I've never really had what I would call a precision rifle like this. I wanted to do everything we could. So I put a Leopold scope, got the custom dial system, everything. And, man, it is – amazing, you know, from trigger and all the different things. And I'm going to be very honest with you. When I first took it in over there, they have gunsmithing. I said, would you guys do anything? And I promise you, this is what I said. I said, would you guys do anything to this rifle? And they go, Nope, put a scope on it. I mean, honestly, I mean, they said, man, there's nothing to do. They said that rifle is awesome.
SPEAKER 13 :
So with, with the new features we added this year, we've, we basically have thrown everything in the kitchen sink at, at what Seekin's Precision believes a hunting rifle should look like, should come with, should have everything ready to go. I mean, we still get questions, you know, how do I attach this to it? I'm like, you just get that and you put it on. It's super easy. I don't have to drill into my stock? Nope. It's like the bottom of the forend is already ready to go. It's got M-lock slots. Pick what you want to put on it and away you go. And so we've really tried to make it You know, the best idea of what a bolt-action rifle should be, should feel like, should shoot like. But the big one is just make it really easy for customers to put on what they need or what they feel they need onto the rifle and be ready to go out there and shoot.
SPEAKER 06 :
you know do it do whatever it is that they want to do with it sure and you know i was talking to those guys yesterday about it and i said you know i for for much of my life all i did was buy rifles off the shelf and you don't know what you don't know until you hold something like a sequence precision and you feel the trigger you feel the gun you just feel and man just what a vast difference
SPEAKER 13 :
Made in the USA goes a long way, I'll tell you right now. You can feel it in every part of that rifle, from the tip of the muzzle all the way to the back of the buttstock. Everything on that gun is made under one roof, too. So the fit and finish, the parts, the way they all come together, it's all done under one roof. So we get to control every bit of that quality, everything down from, The little firing pin to the bolt head to the action itself, the barrels. I mean, we make it all. So it's very much when you put a gun in your hand that's one made in the USA and two under one roof. It goes a long way when you can tell.
SPEAKER 06 :
Yeah, absolutely. Kevin Jones is with us once again at Seekins Precisions. Check out the website, SeekinsPrecision.com. And there are dealers here in the Denver area, and we're working on some more as well. But who are a few folks here in our Denver, Colorado area with Seekins right now?
SPEAKER 13 :
I'd say probably your biggest guys that you're going to want to talk to right now that's got inventory probably on hand for you to go and put your hands on a rifle is going to be the Colorado Springs Shields.
SPEAKER 06 :
Okay.
SPEAKER 13 :
And then the, I believe it's Grand Junction, Colorado. Is that right? I think there's also a Shields there.
SPEAKER 06 :
And then Loveland probably too.
SPEAKER 13 :
Yep. So those would be, I'm not sure geographically where they're located for you guys.
SPEAKER 06 :
Right, right, right.
SPEAKER 13 :
Gotcha. But we are always looking for new dealers because we know that our product is, is in high demand and customers want to feel and touch and buy them. So, you know, your gentleman that I talked to at LT Arms, hopefully we'll start putting some rifles on his shelf there and see what we can do for him.
SPEAKER 06 :
Yeah, absolutely. All right, let's kind of walk through, for those that missed you last time, let's kind of walk through the Seekins lineup a little bit.
SPEAKER 13 :
Yeah, absolutely. So our flagship rifle, number one selling gun for us, is going to be the Seekins PH3. That's the Pro Hunter 3. This is the third iteration of this rifle that we've had since we came out with bolt guns probably around 2016, 2017. So it's had a few iterations. It's had some upgrades. It's had new stuff that we've added to it this year. And it's just an all-around well-built rifle. It's going to come in all the popular calibers right now, all the precision, high-quality factory ammunition stuff that you can get. And we offer it in multiple different calibers, in shorts and in long actions. Those are all available on our website. You can take a peek at that. It's going to be just a good all-around rifle. The next one up on our lineup is going to be our Element M3. So that is for a guy that likes that traditional rifle feel as far as that stock and the look of the gun, but is looking to save a little bit more weight. So you're going to get about a pound and a quarter on average of weight savings between a PH3 and an Element M3. So this is a guy that wants to do some more backpacking or get a little bit more out in the field or He's going to be carrying the gun all day and ounces count for him, but wants a traditional stock. The next one up the lineup is our Element Hunter. So this is basically the same barrel in action that's inside of the LM M3, but dropped into a folding lightweight chassis. This is the guy that is looking for the ultimate weight savings and the ultimate packability. So this thing... will fold down into a pack or into a scabbard for a horse or into a side-by-side or into a truck or whatever it is that you're doing. It makes carrying that gun all day really enjoyable. You're going to appreciate every ounce that you're going to get a save and the packability of the gun, how small it can get if need be. And then as we continue moving up, we have our SLAM, which is the Element Hunter but comes out of our custom shop. So this gets an upgraded trigger. It gets a true carbon fiber chassis. And it gets built by our best guys. So these things get accuracy tested. They do not leave unless they shoot half-inch, if not better, with factory ammunition. And you get to pick and choose some options like that. So there's some options available for folks that want to go and get the 9s from Seekin's Precision. The next gun in the lineup is going to be our Hit Pro M3. This is our heavy chassis rifle. This thing comes in around 11 1⁄2 to 12 pounds empty. So maybe not the one you want to carry hunting, but, hey, man, if that's what you're into, go for it. This is a precision rifle meant to reach out and touch things at distance. whether it comes from a tactical side or you just like shooting at distance. A lot of guys like to select it for a good host for coyote or predator hunting because you can mount thermals, you can mount other sorts of devices on it, and it's a good host for that. And then our gas gun lineup is really popular, too. So we do our SP-10, which is our, I'd say, award-winning, I guess, and it's done some SOCOM contracts in the past as well. It's been fielded by special operations units. for the last four or five years. It's an amazing, high-precision AR-10 platform rifle. And then we have our NX-15 lineup that comes in just your traditional barrel lengths and some quality on just well-built AR platform rifles as well.
SPEAKER 06 :
Right. That SP-10, what's kind of your weight of that empty?
SPEAKER 13 :
They come in around 10.5 pounds, I think, right in there. It's not going to be the lightest AR-10 on the market. It is really built for precision. It's for when shots count and missing isn't an option. You really want to trust on that guy.
SPEAKER 06 :
Yeah, and I tell you, you know, it's crazy when you just look at the last few years of where rifles have come. And, you know, I mean, man, me growing up and, of course, my dad. I mean, I shot a .300 Weatherby Mag my whole life, you know, pretty much. And now I'm switching over to yours. And I tell you, just to hold that thing and have that less weight, for me, at my age now, you know, in different things. Oh, yeah, absolutely. It's like I'm holding a feather after holding that thing, you know.
SPEAKER 13 :
Yeah, well, young guys that could hold the 300 Weatherby all day, we want to be quicker, faster on our feet. We want to go after something quicker and get up to the top of the hill or whatever it may be. And by every ounce counts. So depending on what you're doing or... You know, what you're looking for, there's probably a Seekins rifle that's going to fit your needs and it's going to perform to your exact standards, if not better.
SPEAKER 06 :
Right. A lot of competition in this field. So, I mean, and you've kind of already pretty much named a lot of things that you feel make you guys different. But let's kind of walk through some things that you just tell people. Hey, as you're shopping for rifles, notice what on a Seekins Precision?
SPEAKER 13 :
The biggest thing that we have that people, like, are drawn to us is is obviously the quality of our product is number one right we we build a rifle made in the usa under one roof and we are not going to sacrifice our quality and so when someone puts our rifle in their hands they can immediately tell that right um but what we find that has drawn most of our customers to us is the buddy that already has one is the friend that already has one and that they are now actually our biggest salespeople. Like, our customers are our best sales team. We like to joke around here that we have, you know, sales guys that are, you know, our jobs are to sell, right? But really the rifles sell themselves, so all we're here to do is manage expectations. And so we get thrown around a lot here under the roof and say, what do you guys even do? Our rifles sell themselves. And that's really 100% true. The product sells itself. You know, most customers that have heard about us have heard it from a friend and have typically been drawn or pushed towards us. So our competitors that may be in the same field as us, that maybe build a very high-quality rifle that's comparable to us, whether it's a price point or a construction standpoint, you know, these things are on the same page. We feel that our customer satisfaction, our customer service, and our warranty, our lifetime warranty, No questions asked warranty brings new customers in and keeps our old ones buying more rifles every year from us. So we feel that, you know, you have to have the trifecta. You have to have a good quality product. You have to have good service to back it up and making sure you keep that customer relation. That way it can just constantly be a good brand image, right? You want to make sure people are drawn to your brand and your product. And we feel that we've built a very good reputation over years. You know, this doesn't happen overnight. You know, Seekins started in 2004. So, you know, 2024 was our 20th anniversary, and we're coming up on 22 years in 2026. So for us, that's a big deal. You know, it was built by Glenn in the garage in Lewiston, building scope rings, and then just grew the company from there. And we are very proud, hardworking Americans that get to work. under the same roof, and we get to build guns for the American working man.
SPEAKER 06 :
Yep, absolutely. If you're just joining us once again, Kevin Jones is with us at Seekins Precision, seekinsprecision.com. And, hey, if you go to your local gun store and they don't have Seekins there, tell them they need to check them out because I'm telling you, this is a quality rifle. As I mentioned, I got a 7 PRC, and I tell you, it is a dream to shoot, and I'm actually hoping— As you are hearing this in all transparency, pre-recording this, I'm after a mule deer right now when they're hearing this, Kevin, with my new Seekin's Precision. So hopefully I'll have a good story with that.
SPEAKER 13 :
Well, from what I heard from LT, it's on you, Scott.
SPEAKER 06 :
Yeah, I'm telling you. Well, yeah, I mean, needless to say, with your rifle and just the loads they built, hey, yeah, it is going to be on me for sure. You mentioned you're scopering different things like that. So what are a few other accessory-type things that people may be interested in with you?
SPEAKER 13 :
The big one's going to be definitely our scope rings. Obviously, we'd love for you to be into a Seekins rifle, but if you're not, we totally understand. If you want to make bad decisions in life, that's on you. But our scope rings are really going to be second to none. We focus on building matched scope rings. So when you get a set of scope rings from Seekins and you look on the bottom of them, there's actually a serial number. That serial number isn't for us. That's for you as the customer to know that you received a matched set a male and a female and a brother and sister set of scope rings that are perfect for whatever scope you end up putting into it. So that's going to be the gold standard as far as we're concerned for lightweight, high-quality Aiden USA scope rings that are going to hold onto your scope nice and tight, and they're not going to weigh you down like all steel rings would do. And that's kind of how Glenn ended up making them. We do a flurry of AR parts as well, so if you're looking to build your own You know, those are definitely, you know, we make hand guards, we make our own uppers, we make our own lowers, we make our own safety selector switches, we make our own bolt catches as well. So if you're just looking for little bits and pieces like that, that can all be found on our website. We do make ARCA rails for attaching a rifle to a bipod or a tripod, whatever your system setup is. So, you know, if you're looking for a small short rail, we have what's called our new Hunter ARCA rail. And that is basically an ARCA rail that's been rotated 90 degrees. So instead of clamping from the left and the right of the ARCA rail, you're actually clamping on the front and the back. And what that does is it gives your rifle the ability to be attached to a tripod, but a very, very light, very, very low-profile ARCA rail that's not going to eat into your hand all day long as you're carrying it before you put it on a tripod. So it makes it for a very comfortable hunter's ARCA rail.
SPEAKER 06 :
Right. And, you know, and this may sound weird because you would think most people involved with making guns would be hunters, but that's not necessarily always true with companies. But, I mean, I think one thing that's huge for you guys is the in-the-field experience, so to speak. So you know what feels good in the hand and what doesn't, right?
SPEAKER 13 :
Oh, absolutely. Yeah. I mean, we are our biggest, you know, our own customer, right? You know, we want to make sure that the rifles that, I mean, I don't want to carry any other rifle in the field other than our rifle. And the reason for that is because we built a rifle based off of what we would want in the field. You know, we're out there using it. We are in the canyons, and I say canyons, not hills, of Hell's Canyon. You know, where I hunt, you know, I could be making a shot at 50 yards. I could be making a shot at 750 yards. You just don't know. Like we talked about, you know, you get a new hunter, they'll say, well, what do I prepare for? Well, I hate to say it, but everything, you know. And so you kind of have, you know, we have this, you know, really good, Yeah, absolutely.
SPEAKER 06 :
Once again, folks, it's SeekinsPrecision.com. Check them out. And as I mentioned at the beginning of the show, today's show is brought to you by the Mile High Hunting Fish Expo 2026 Edition. And we are going to be at the National Western Center Expo Hall. And more coming up, of course, in the months to come. But you definitely want to come and check out Seekins Precision. And once again, if you're in the market for a rifle, highly recommend. Just go check them out. And as Kevin mentioned, Shields is probably at this point going to have your best selection right there and hopefully some stock as well. But just a great, great firearm. And, Kevin, man, we appreciate it. And I'll be in touch soon and hopefully show you a nice mule deer pick with my Seekins Precision 7 PRC, my friend.
SPEAKER 13 :
I better see some photos, Scott.
SPEAKER 06 :
All right, man. Hey, we appreciate it.
SPEAKER 13 :
Of course, thanks.
SPEAKER 06 :
You betcha. You're listening to Sports from Colorado. We've got to take a quick break, and we'll be back with more right after this.
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You're listening to KLZ 560, your home station.
SPEAKER 06 :
Welcome back to the show. Thank you so much for being with us. Well, it's always a privilege to have our next governor of Colorado in studio, Greg Lopez. How are you, my friend?
SPEAKER 10 :
I'm doing real good. Thanks, Scott. Good to see you.
SPEAKER 06 :
Same here.
SPEAKER 10 :
It's always a pleasure to sit down with you.
SPEAKER 06 :
Hey, man, I always love having you in. Hey, now you're going to hear Greg on our Haystack show. You're going to hear him on Sportsman of Colorado. But this something has come about, and Greg and I have been talking for a few weeks about this, but it has come to fruition, as when Greg talks, there is fruition. He does what he says he'll do. And Greg has written a couple of letters on the wolf issue to the United States Fish and Wildlife Service about – The laws Colorado has broken with the Wolf reintroduction here. That's right. All right. So, Greg, first of all, my question is this. Why has no one – we got, what, 18 candidates? Okay. Why has no one ever talked about this whatsoever, but you jumped in the middle of all this, done the research, done the homework – And you've laid out all the laws they have violated, the state of Colorado.
SPEAKER 10 :
Yeah. Look, you know, Scott, I know most of these people that are running for governor, and they're good people, right? But the difference, the main difference between me and them is that I have executive management experience. I know how to manage a company. divisions, a number of divisions, right? Coming back from Congress, I know how the federal government works. People forget that I used to be the director of the United States Small Business Administration here in Colorado. So I know how the bureaucracy works, right? And so as I'm traveling the state, you know, ranchers and producers are like, well, you're running for governor, are you going to help us? No one is paying attention to our issue with this wolf. No one is worried about the depredation. No one's worried about our small businesses. They're not worried about our mental health. You know, what about us? You know, the urban corridor is telling us how to live our lives. And that's not right. And I totally agree with them. And that's why my mantra is people over politics. I'm going to protect the people. I'm going to respect and honor people. the quality of life of everybody in Colorado, and more importantly, the way of life of everybody in Colorado. And the urban corridor has no right in telling the rural Colorado or the western slope how they should live and how they should deal with ranching and maintaining their estates. And so I got involved in this because people were asking me to I'm a reader. I do research. And yes, I have sent a letter to the director and the regional director for the United States Fish and Wildlife Service and letting them know that based on what has occurred with the reintroduction of the wolf, they are no longer following the Endangered Species Act. CPW has violated not only the Endangered Species Act, but they violated their own plan, their own Colorado wolf reintroduction management plan. They're not following it. And so there's a lot of stuff that's going on right now, and this is why the ranchers have lost trust. in CPW. They've lost trust in those relationships they used to have for generations with the wildlife people, the rangers and so forth. And so it's time that we hold people accountable for this. And so What I'm hearing is that because of my involvement, and I got involved really starting September 9th is when I started writing letters, right, that all of a sudden people are realizing, wait a minute, it's not Colorado Parks and Wildlife necessary that we need to only focus in on. We also must focus on the United States Fish and Wildlife Service.
SPEAKER 06 :
And that's where the focus has been, unfortunately.
SPEAKER 10 :
Yeah, you know, and here's the thing, right? So... People forget that CPW is a registered agent, a declared agent of the federal agency. So they report directly to the federal government. And that's why we must deal with the decision makers, right? Because the rules allow for, if the United States Fish and Wildlife Service determines that Colorado Parks and Wildlife are not able to To properly manage the reintroduction of the wolf, they can remove Colorado Parks and Wildlife from that responsibility. Right. It's written in the permits. It's written in the laws. It's written in the understanding of agreement between the state of Colorado and the United States Fish and Wildlife Service. So right now, they are showing that they're not competent enough to... manage it correctly. And here's the other thing, Scott, that I want people to understand. The federal government calls this reintroduction of the wolf into Colorado. Listen to this. It is called a non-essential experimental population. And I'm here to tell you the experiment has failed, right? And it's time to address the failed experiment. And so this is what is happening that I'm bringing forth. The governor and CPW, they want to play politics with it.
SPEAKER 06 :
And it's been an expensive experiment.
SPEAKER 10 :
It has. It definitely has. A lot more than what they told us initially, right? I think they said it was going to be like $800,000 or something like that. It's in the $800 million. Yeah, they've lost control of it. Again, just to go to show, they're not competent enough to understand the complexities of how do you manage a wolf, when you bring it into the state of Colorado. And so it's just getting worse and worse. So we need to put a pause. We need to slow down. We need to evaluate. Can we really do this properly? But in the meantime, they must follow the rules.
SPEAKER 06 :
Right. Now, you said you were a reader. Evidently, the governor isn't. No. Because there was a select number of states that were approved, so to speak. Yep. to get wolves from. That's right. And Canada ain't one of them.
SPEAKER 10 :
It's not. Neither is Alaska. Yeah. So again, right. So you have to understand that oftentimes leaders believe that they shouldn't be as knowledgeable as their staff to ensure that things are being doing right. Right. I'm a firm believer in trust and verify. Trust the people that are working for you, but verify that they understand the complexity of of what they're doing. And I can tell you that it's clear based on the evidence that they're not. And so we may all have our own personal opinions, but ultimately what really rules the day are the facts. And this is why when you have facts, they can't dispute them Because the facts are the facts. And this is where they're struggling right now. I heard that there's out there, Scott. I haven't seen it. So some people will say, well, it's hearsay. And I would say, okay, but I'm hearing it a lot. That there is a letter that got sent by the United States Fish and Wildlife Service to Governor Polis and Jeff Davis saying, specifically informing them that they are not to be able to go to Alaska and get wolves or to go to Canada and bring wolves in from another nation. Because that would violate. A second time. Right. Right. What they the permit that they have. See, this is what a lot of people struggle with, is that how did we end up with endangered species here in Colorado that didn't exist, and yet how did Colorado Parks and Wildlife have the authority to do it? Because they got a permit from the federal government. Right. And as long as they follow that permit, it's okay. But if they go outside of that permit, they're in violation of the Endangered Species Act. Interesting.
SPEAKER 06 :
Now, do you expect a return letter from the U.S. Fish?
SPEAKER 10 :
You know, I'm hopeful. Yeah. You know, I gave them 21 days. You know, last time I gave them 30 days and I did get a letter. Right. I got a letter and a phone call. on september 30th the last day that the government was open right but know this like i tell everybody the federal government is not shut down it's slowed down okay i'm here to tell you that uh people at the level of matt hogan They're still working. They're reporting to the office every single day. Right. Okay. So it's not shut down. It's slowed down. Okay. I believe that, you know, because of what I'm asking and because of what I've identified, it's not emotional. I'm not accusing anybody. Right. I'm asking for clarity. I'm asking for understanding, you know.
SPEAKER 06 :
no and i mean i'm i just want to tell her about i'm looking at the letter right here it says this letter is submitted to formally address and seek clarification yeah all right so this isn't some threatening no yeah no i'm just asking for clarity right um so i'm hopeful that they will respond right
SPEAKER 10 :
True to form, the federal government is going to respond in a manner by which it makes them look good and not necessarily acknowledge if they did do a misstep. Right. Okay. Okay. Fair enough. Right. But we must have these conversations before they even think of bringing more wolves into Colorado.
SPEAKER 06 :
Because then it would take time for them to get – I guess they would have to get another permit?
SPEAKER 10 :
Yes.
SPEAKER 06 :
Okay.
SPEAKER 10 :
Exactly. And in order to get the permit, you have to go through the federal registry process, which is like six months.
SPEAKER 06 :
And it would seem like you would have to prove that you've managed your first experiment well. Yeah. And that would be very difficult.
SPEAKER 10 :
It would, right? I mean, I think there would be a lot of witnesses that would raise their hand and say, I have evidence, right? I mean, look, when you have recorded – conversations that show that the people that are going out there to investigate to see if the death of a cow was done by a wolf, that they're telling the ranchers, well, we're getting a lot of pressure from to say that it's inconclusive, that we can't tell if a wolf did this, right? It's like, and everybody's looking around at themselves like, this has never happened before. The only new element in this area is the wolf. You know, by, you know, process of elimination that's where we're at yeah right so uh yeah right now i think uh you know the ranchers and the farmers are really grateful as you can see i'm not signing this letter alone there's seven yeah of major organizations of memberships that share the concern right and so It is time for the government to recognize that the people have a voice and they must listen to the people's voice. And so I think this is going to be a very interesting next 30 days, the next quarter, because. I'm not sure that they're going to be able to bring another 15 wolves into the state of Colorado this cycle. But, Scott, that doesn't mean that they can't, if they do it correctly, because the management plan says they have three to five years. Right, right. This is only the third year. Right. So it's not like, you know, it said every single year we're going to do this.
SPEAKER 06 :
And you've been kind of saying, just pause this thing. Just pause it. Yeah.
SPEAKER 10 :
Right.
SPEAKER 06 :
Let's all get another look at this.
SPEAKER 10 :
Yeah. It's kind of like, you know what, you're in surgery and the doctor nicks something and it starts to bleed. It's like, okay, don't touch anything. Let's fix this. Right. Before we go on, let's fix what just happened. Right. And then we'll move forward in completing the surgery. Right? These guys are like, oh, I'm sorry. We nicked the artery, but we're still moving. It's like, well, the body's dying. It's like, that's okay. We'll clean it up later. It's like, no, no, no, no. That's not what you do. Right? So everybody's asking for a reasonable request. Just pause. Let us take a deep breath. Let's evaluate this. Let's get back to the table. Let's see how we can move forward in a more productive manner where we reduce the conflicts between the wolf and the farmers and the ranchers. Yep.
SPEAKER 06 :
Be sure and get on Greg's website, greglopez.co. And, hey, stay tuned. A lot more to come on this wolf issue.
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Welcome back to the show. Hey, if you're just joining us, Greg Lopez is with us. Greg is our gubernatorial candidate, or one of them, I should say, out of 18 for 2026 here. And Greg, if you've missed his first segment, Greg is taking the bull by the horn, so to speak, on this Colorado wolf issue and has written some letters to the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service, to the directors there, and hey, we're waiting on a response. So, You know, Greg, did this – did it kind of fuel this for you as you went around the state and talked to ranchers and folks where their lives were – I mean, you spent a lot of time, you know, out just talking to groups and individuals. Did that really turn this fire on for you?
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that their families have been here for generations. You know, they have a long history in the ag business here in Colorado. You can see it in their eyes. You can see it in their eyes that they're stressed. You know, when they talk about this and they say, you know, I don't know what's going to happen tonight. I don't know if I'm going to lose two or five or one. And this is my livelihood. This is how I feed my family.
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Dude, cows ain't 200 bucks. No, they're not.
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It's real money.
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It is. And it's hard labor. These are the folks that truly care about the land. They truly care about what the future and the environment because this is how they make a living. And so when I hear and I see their faces and I see their eyes, I see the stress. I see the agony. And it's all because somebody decided that it would be cool to hear a wolf howl at night. This issue, Colorado is the first state that ever introduced wolves through a ballot initiative. Not by biologists, not by scientists, but by a ballot initiative. And out of the 64 counties, only 13 passed them. And it passed by less than 1%. And you can guess which counties passed it.
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Sure. Boulder, Denver.
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So it's more than just what's going on. Again, like I said last time, it's about the quality of life. It's about the different ways of life. And ag has made Colorado the state that it is today.
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Right. Now, you have clearly stated out in your letters, hey, you're just seeking some clarification here. The clarification is pretty clear. Yep. There is no doubt laws have been violated from the agreement.
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That's right. Look, a lot of people, when they hear the Endangered Species Act, Scott, they think it's a long document because that's what we're accustomed to today, right? But it was approved in 1973. This document is only 72 pages long. It's not long at all, right? But if you read it, it... and I encourage everybody to go look it online, go to Section 9. Section 9 tells you what is prohibited, what you cannot do. And under the definitions of person, it outlines that a definition of a person includes states and employees of state agencies. And so it includes CPW, right? The very first thing... On the prohibitions is you cannot import or export an endangered species into the United States. Okay. And so what did they do when they went to Canada? They imported wolves from Canada to the United States. That's against the Endangered Species Act.
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Right.
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Now, you can get a permit that would allow you to do that.
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But they didn't have it.
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but they don't have it and they didn't get it, okay? So they're in violation. And that's why now you will hear that there's a letter from the United States Fish and Wildlife to the governor and CPW. You will not or you're not allowed to bring in wolves from Canada anymore. You're not allowed to bring wolves from Alaska. The only places you can bring wolves from are from the states that are listed in the permit that we gave you. And the permit is what a lot of people know as the 10-J rule. That is the permit. They cannot go outside of the four corners of that document. If they do go outside those four corners of that document, they're in violation. And that's what they've done. And so I'm asking for clarity. I'm asking for the permit. I'm asking for evidence that they did allow them to do this. Nothing has surfaced. All the investigations I've made don't show it. And so we're going to keep asking. And we're not going to let them say, oh, sorry, we made a misstep. We won't do it again. Nuh-uh. Good to know, but we've got to go back and find out what are we going to do with you breaking the law.
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Sure.
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Because those 15 wolves that came from Canada, they're illegal. So what do we do with them? Do we put them in a sanctuary? Right? They're illegal. They're not supposed to be here. So these are some of the questions that I want to be asking. And I am looking to bring, just so everybody knows, because this is not going to be over... I'm looking to bring a field hearing from the United States House of Representatives to Colorado to discuss the Endangered Species Act to make sure everybody understands what it means to be managing an endangered species.
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Wow. Very good. What has been in your campaign so far? and you look at the other 17 folks.
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And here's what I've told some people, too, and I've had people tell me, oh, you know, these other people, I like this guy or I like this lady, you know what I mean? They're nice people. But we can't do that. We've got to have people that's taking action. Look.
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And going to get it, because here's what, from hanging out with you a little bit and us being at some different events together, I can't tell you, and I told Kim Munson this other day, I had Kim on the show, how many people have said, I said, if I had to pick a phrase... that I heard so many times is this is not the Colorado that I moved to. This is not the Colorado I want to raise my family in. This is not the, I mean, over and over, this is not the Colorado. This is not the Colorado. So let's talk about your campaign a little bit and what you're going to make it to get us back that Colorado.
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We're going to make Colorado Colorado again, right? We're going to make Colorado a state that we can be proud of. Look, we now know what it feels like. when we were under a single party rule for over seven years, and the vision was to make Colorado California. And I'm here to tell you, the governor's agenda has always been to make Colorado the playground for the rich and famous. And so what he's trying to do is get rid of ag. He's trying to get rid of farming and ranching. And hunting, because we're just in the way, right? I mean, think about it. You go back to what he's done constantly, constantly, from the first time Then he got elected with oil and gas, and he's like, okay, we should leave oil and gas alone. And then as soon as he's in, he puts on a lot of regulations, right? And then he hits with the meat-out day. You're not allowed to eat meat, right? Again, so constantly, constantly. It doesn't take hard to find out what is the vision of the governor as it pertains to Colorado. Well, that's not what Colorado is, right? I would say, if Governor Polis wants to live in California, all he has to do is move to California. He doesn't have to make us California, right? And that's what people are feeling. Government's overreach, government telling them how to live, Government not making our educational system successful enough to educate our kids. They're taking away parents' rights, right? Criminals are running like crazy. We're a sanctuary state, as much as he wants to claim that we're not. Remember, he was the one that denied that even Tren de la Aragua was in Colorado, right? That it was all made up, right? Until those videos showed up. Right. No, it's like, OK, maybe there is something here. Right. So I'm going to make Colorado Colorado again by listening to the people and making sure that I am the voice of all six million when it comes to what is Colorado stand for. And that's why I'm saying I'm going to fight for the quality of life of not only those that vote for me. but also those that don't vote for me. And I'm going to make sure I protect the different ways of life that Colorado has to offer. There are five different economies in the state of Colorado. And so we must protect them all. We must respect them all. I'm going to remove the divide between rural and urban corridor. How? By reappointing good people in all these commissions. Because right now, you look at all these commissions and those appointments are all political favors. And he is making these boards and commissions his way of weaponizing for him to achieve the agenda he wants to achieve. Everybody sees it. Nobody is not seeing the reality of this. And so it's time for us to just speak the truth. I don't have a problem getting a busted lip and a bloody nose or a black eye for the right reason.
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Sure.
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I will go into the battle because I have faith in the people that they'll understand that I'm fighting for them. It's not about politics for me. It's about doing the right thing. Right.
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There are some people running that do have some titles behind their name. That's true. Right now, as you sit here, it's Greg Lopez. That's right. But you took on a huge issue that's here in our state. I have not seen, and I'm not the biggest political guru in the state of Colorado, but I've not seen one other candidate talk about really any kind of issue up to this point.
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Right. And again, look, I know them. They're good people. They work as hard as they can to protect. But I am the only one that understands the totality of what a governor is. I am acting as a governor right now. Everything I'm doing is acting and behaving like a governor. Because I'm trying to do is make sure that people understand we're going to do it correctly. We're not going to play politics with any issue. We're going to make sure that we do the things that the people want us to do. But more importantly, we're going to respect the voice of the people. We're not going to silence them. We're not going to tell them they're not informed. We're not going to tell them that they got to go sit in the corner like good little boys and girls. Let the adults make all the decisions. No, you know. And so I'm hopeful that the other candidates will start realizing that it is about who actually knows how to do the job. We're not trying to be prom king in this thing, right? We're trying to make the future of our state better for the next 20 to 25 years. That's what it's about. I'm not in this because of the salary. I'm not in it because of the title. I'm in it because I care for Colorado. And there's an additional thing that... I never thought, but, you know, Scott, you may not know this. My wife and I have been, in the next 10 days, we're going to be grandparents.
SPEAKER 05 :
Oh, yeah, you did tell me that.
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You know what? And I tell people, you know, when I tell people, I say, oh, Greg, that's great. I said, yeah, you know, but I'm told they're going to be twins. And then people are like, oh, my God. But they're twin boys, and they're like, oh, my God.
SPEAKER 06 :
Yeah, yeah, really, oh, my God.
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So, you know, our lives are about to change, but you know what? I love Colorado. My family, I grew up, my kids grew up here. I've been here 38 years. This is home for me, you know, and I am not going to be forced to leave just because of the bad policies that are coming out of the Capitol. And there is an evil empire in there right now, and we've got to fix it. And that's why I'm running for governor.
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Absolutely. About 90 seconds here. How can folks, how can our listeners...
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help you look go to my website greg lopez.co greg lopez.co like anything else you know just let people know that i'm running make an investment in the state of colorado right campaigns cost money it really doesn't matter whether you do ten dollars five hundred dollars whatever you want ultimately we must make sure that we have the right candidate winning the primary to go on to the general and become the next governor of colorado yeah
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It is greglopez.co. Hey, stay tuned. We're going to have Greg keep us informed here as this see what kind of return mail, how that service works from the director here of U.S. Fish and Wildlife. But, Greg, hey, I can tell you, man, to our listeners, I promise you, thank you very much for jumping in the middle of this. You betcha. And it's going to be interesting to see how it all falls out. But, man, keep it up, and we're going to do everything we can to help you, my friend. I appreciate it, Scott. Quick reminder now, if you miss our live show on Saturdays 1 to 2, catch us twice on Sundays. That's 8 to 9 a.m. and once again 7 to 8 p.m. on Sunday evening. And we thank you for being with us. Hope you have a great rest of your day and a great rest of your weekend.
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In this episode of Washington Watch, Tony Perkins delves into the complexities of international diplomacy with a focus on President Trump's trips to Asia. We explore the potential impacts of his meetings with leaders like President Xi and the implications these talks hold for America and the rest of the world. From discussions of trade agreements to national security, Tony and guests outline how these diplomatic engagements are shaping the global landscape.
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From the heart of our nation's capital in Washington, D.C., bringing compelling interviews, insightful analysis, taking you beyond the headlines and soundbites into conversations with our nation's leaders and newsmakers, all from a biblical worldview, Washington Watch with Tony Perkins starts now.
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A meeting with President Xi, as you probably heard. I'd be surprised if anybody didn't hear. That's a big meeting, and I think it's going to work out very well, actually. I think it's going to be great for everybody.
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That was President Donald Trump speaking earlier today in Japan. The upcoming meeting between the two world leaders comes as Beijing has launched its most intense persecution of Christians in decades. Senator Ted Budd of North Carolina will join us shortly to explain how Congress is proposing to hold the Chinese Communist Party accountable. Welcome to this October 28th edition of Washington Watch. I'm your host, Tony Perkins. Thanks so much for tuning in. Well, coming up, Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has ordered immediate strikes on Gaza, accusing Hamas terrorists of violating the ceasefire. Also, we'll get the latest on the government shutdown and the details of a special prayer event for the nation from Maryland Congressman Dr. Andy Harris. We begin this evening with news out of Israel, where Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu ordered the Israeli military to carry out immediate powerful strikes in Gaza after Hamas violated the U.S. brokered ceasefire deal. Joining me now is Washington Stand reporter Casey Harper, who's been following today's evolving events. Casey, what's the latest out of Israel as this fragile truce faces new pressure?
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Yeah, Tony. Well, President Trump's Gaza peace plan may be in tatters. As you said, Netanyahu today ordered the military to launch strikes in Gaza, saying Hamas violated the ceasefire and reportedly eight so far have already been killed. Hamas, importantly, has yet to return the bodies of 13 deceased hostages. And naturally, Israel is calling this a blatant breach of the truce. And earlier today, Hamas's armed wing, the Al-Qassam Brigades, they postponed handing over the body of a missing hostage they said they had already recovered. And of course, they blamed that on Israel. Meanwhile, Israeli security forces, they killed three Palestinian militants in Judea and Samaria, including two Hamas members who were reportedly planning to attack a refugee camp. So this U.S.-brokered ceasefire, it's not even three weeks old, Tony, but it's been through a lot, and it's hard to know whether this latest flare-up is just a flare-up or if it's the end of the deal altogether, Tony.
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Well, this proves why Israel must have the opportunity to annex portions of Judea and Samaria, you know, leaving it in the hands of terrorists. I mean, that threatens the very survival of the state of Israel. So people have to realize we've got Gaza and we've got Judea and Samaria in play here. And speaking of Israel, Tucker Carlson revealed the COVID brain fog is real.
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the Christian Zionists who are, well, Christian Zionists. Like, what is that? And I can just say for myself, I dislike them more than anybody. You know, because like, what? Because it's Christian heresy and I'm offended by that as a Christian.
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Christian heresy supporting Israel. We'll analyze his comments with, actually, we're going to take a look at them from a biblical perspective later with Dr. Gerald McDermott, distinguished professor of theology at Jerusalem Seminary. Casey, President Trump's trip to Asia continues. How's that shaping up so far?
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Well, Tony, this is a big trip and everyone's watching it. President Trump, he's signing a flurry of trade deals. The president met Japan's new conservative prime minister in Tokyo today, and the two nations, they signed a framework deal to secure those important critical minerals and rare earth minerals. On top of that, President Trump got Japan to agree to invest $550 billion in exchange for relief on tariffs. So big investment and a big deal on those rare earth minerals that are used for microchips and NAI and the like. But President Trump's trip to Asia is his longest journey abroad since taking office. And from here, he's going to go on to South Korea, where on Wednesday, he's going to speak at the APEC summit.
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A meeting with President Xi, as you probably heard. I'd be surprised if anybody didn't hear. That's a big meeting, and I think it's going to work out very well, actually. I think it's going to be great for everybody.
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that Xi meeting is really the crescendo of President Trump's highly anticipated trip to Asia this week. He will meet with Xi on Thursday as world leaders and Americans as well watch these relations unfold, Tony.
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Thanks, Casey. Senator Ted Budd actually is going to join us a little bit later to discuss the Chinese Communist Party's crackdown on Christians and what steps are needed to defend religious freedom in China and around the world. Casey, let's shift gears to the debate over the government shutdown. The impact of the government shutdown is already being felt and it could bring even greater hardship for millions of Americans. Is this expected to put pressure on the far left Democrats to act as the pressure builds?
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Well, you might think that, Tom. Tony, but so far it doesn't look like it. This is the second longest federal government shutdown in history, and it's still going as Democrats are just refusing to back that clean funding bill passed by Republicans, which leaves millions of Americans at risk of missing their paychecks, losing their SNAP benefits, and of course those travel delays that are going to be really important come Thanksgiving travel time. But House Republicans, they passed a short-term measure. Senate Democrats are refusing to back it unless they get those unrelated but important to them Obamacare subsidies. In fact, here's what House Speaker Mike Johnson had to say about it.
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All we want is to reopen the government. The Democrats are demanding all those things like $4 million for global LGBTQI plus awareness campaigns around the world. $4 million for the LGBTQI plus democracy grants in the Balkans. They want $2 million for feminist democratic principles projects in Africa. We're not doing that.
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We're not doing that indeed. But the shutdown is on day 28, Tony, and I have to break it to you. I don't think day 29 is going to be the breakthrough.
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All right. Well, we'll continue to watch and pray. Thank you, Casey. Appreciate it. All right. I want to continue with a discussion on the government shutdown and get to get the latest from Capitol Hill. Joining me now is Congressman Dr. Andy Harris, who is the chairman of the House Freedom Caucus and a member of the House Appropriations Committee. He represents the first congressional district of Maryland. Dr. Harris, welcome back to Washington Watch. Thanks for joining us.
SPEAKER 11 :
Good to be with you, Tony.
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All right. Before we jump into the shutdown, I want to get your thoughts on the latest developments in the Middle East as things are flaring up again in Gaza.
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Well, it would be a shame if, again, if the truce doesn't hold. Look, this war has gone on too long. Hamas, everybody figured that Hamas might cheat on the deal, and it looks like they are. But hopefully, again, every time the Israelis do one of these missions, as they're going to do now, hopefully it'll end. It'll end the conflict. But again, it's just a shame.
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Let's go to the government shutdown. Senate Democrats today voted against reopening the government with the clean house CR for the 13th time. Are you hearing of any movement behind the scenes?
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Well, I think that, again, when the SNAP benefits fail to be loaded onto the cards on Saturday morning, that's going to be a real problem. And I think the Democrats realize it's going to be a real problem for them. They're going to have to explain why they voted 13 times to keep the government closed and to keep SNAP benefits away from, again, from over 40 million Americans. That's not even to talk about, as you touched on, you know, the problems with the air traffic controllers, the problems with military not getting their pay. This just makes no sense whatsoever. And hopefully a handful of Democrats come to their senses by the end of the week. And hopefully we can avoid, again, the SNAP benefits getting turned off this weekend.
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You know, I would think with the nation's largest federal employee union calling for passage of the Clean CR, I mean, these are Democratic-leaning voters. This is a part of their base. I would think the Democrats would be listening.
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That's absolutely right. And that obviously entered into the picture this week as well. So I think you have a confluence of things happening. You have more and more air traffic control slowdowns. Again, you have the SNAP benefits not being loaded this weekend. And now you have the largest federal government employee union saying, look, just end it now, you know, pass the house is clean CR. So maybe it gets done by the end of the week. I hope it does. I hope that cooler, calmer heads prevail on the Democrat side in the Senate.
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So, Dr. Harris, as the chairman of the Freedom Caucus, I know that there's regular member calls taking place, and I'm assuming that the Freedom Caucus is gathering together at least by Zoom or by phone. What's the sense, the mood of the Freedom Caucus members?
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Well, right now, look, we're happy that Mike Johnson is holding the line. John Thune over in the Senate is holding the line. We think that this is the fight, the real fight now, because this is whether or not we have fiscal sanity in Washington or whether the Democrats get their $1.5 trillion in new unpaid for spending when the government's broke. The bottom line is we can't afford new spending. And we just have to pass the clean CR. And then we could discuss whether or not we want to bring down health care premiums with some policy changes for all Americans, not just the 7 percent who are on Obamacare. We can talk about those things, but we've got to just get the government reopened.
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You talk about the House Freedom Caucus being supportive of the speaker. This is really the first time I can recall in my over two decades here that the Republicans have held the line, that they've not caved, they've not waved a white flag, and they've taken a stand for what the Americans gave them the authority to do, and that is stand for fiscal sanity. We're $38 trillion in debt. At some point, you've got to stop it.
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That's absolutely right. And again, this is a sea change in both the House and Senate leadership from just a few years ago when they would have been talking about compromising, again, weeks ago. No, Mike Johnson and John Thune are holding the line. They should be. We appreciate it. They should be thanked for it. And I hope they hold it out till the end, because, again, we have to stop the uncontrolled spending in Washington.
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Dr. Harris, I want to switch gears just a bit because you, as the head of the House Freedom Caucus, you're joining with the Family Research Council. We're going to be hosting a national prayer call this Thursday to pray for the nation. You and the Freedom Caucus recognize that we're at a point where we need prayer. Speak to that.
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That's absolutely right. You know, we start each and every meeting of the Freedom Caucus or the board meetings with a prayer. We frequently close with a prayer. Look, this country needs God's help. They have to turn back to God. And we are. It's slow, but we need to keep that progress going. And so we're going to join on that prayer call. We're going to ask all Americans, you know, to pray for an end to political violence, to pray for our president, to pray for... for a Christian agenda in Washington. And it's long overdue. We need it. And we think it's an important step.
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And we're going to be praying for the, as you said, the president. We're going to be praying for Congress as they wrestle through this. And we're going to be praying for Israel because that continues to be in the news. And it's one of those issues America needs to get right. And if you'd like to join it, we're inviting you to join with the House Freedom Caucus and the Family Research Council for Congress, Praise for America. Text the word PRAISE, P-R-A-Y-S, to 67742. That's P-R-A-Y-S to 67742 to find out how you can join us, 8 p.m. Eastern Time, on Thursday, October the 30th. Dr. Harris, there'll be a number of the Freedom Caucus members joining us. There'll be some key pastors from across the country gathering with us to pray. What do you hope to accomplish?
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Again, we hope that God hears our prayers, that he brings his blessings upon this country. This country's been blessed plenty, but we need God's help. If we're gonna get through what we're going through now, and again, most recently, the push toward actually acceptance of communism by a growing number of Americans, this is just, we can't have this, and we're gonna ask for God's help, and I believe that God will help America because we are a righteous nation.
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Dr. Andy Harris, thanks so much for joining us, and thank you for joining with us to issue this call to prayer.
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Thanks, Tony.
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And folks, our nation needs it. We need to repent. We need to turn to the Lord. We need his blessings. We need his guidance and direction. That means we have to yield to his ways and to his word. And that's one of the things I'll be praying. This Thursday night, 8 p.m. Eastern time, you can join us. Congress prays for America. Text PRAYS, P-R-A-Y-S, to 67742 to find out how you can join us. All right, don't go away. More still ahead. Our founding scripture for this is Ephesians 6, verse 13. Therefore, take up the whole armor of God that you may be able to stand in the evil day. And having done all to stand, stand therefore.
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Family Research Council's Pray, Vote, Stand Summit 2025 brought together Christian leaders, issue experts, and government officials for a time of prayer, inspiration, and action.
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We are equipping the body of Christ to understand that what is happening around us is not just political. It's not just cultural. At its heart, it is spiritual.
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We gather in a nation that has torn the foundation apart, and we have separated our governing documents from our divine source, Jesus Christ. We need truth now more than ever to guide us.
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I'm believing, God, let this be a testimony of the American church, that we become so full of the fire of the Word of God that we cannot contain it. We have to tell people about it. We have to make disciples.
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The idea of America was the idea that our rights don't come from governments. They come from our divine Creator, right? Government's main job is to protect those rights. And because that was the foundation of America, We've enjoyed over the last 250 years more freedom, more prosperity, more stability than any other nation anywhere in the world, and that should be celebrated.
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We are living in a moment. What's that moment? It's a prophetic moment on God's timeline. That's right. And so he needs the church more than ever to act biblically for the blessing of our political leaders and of our nation.
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the number one issue facing America domestically, which is the epidemic of fatherlessness. 40% of all American children today enter the world without a father in the home married to the mother.
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We cannot win the pro-life fight without acknowledging that this is the pro-family fight, that this is the pro-marriage fight. We're never going to end abortion if we do not secure and shore up marriage.
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We pray that this would be an opportunity, Lord God, for you to use us mere little mortals, but we possess the name of Jesus. God, use us mightily. We pray in Jesus' name and all God's people said, amen.
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Welcome back to Washington Watch. Thanks so much for tuning in. The website, TonyPerkins.com. Better yet, get the Stand Firm app. That way you can have access to Washington Watch no matter where you go. You'll also have access to our news and commentary from a biblical perspective, the Washington Stand, and my daily devotional, Stand on the Word. All of that is found and more is found on the Stand Firm app. Yesterday marked the 27th anniversary of the International Religious Freedom Act, a law that reminds us religious liberty isn't just an American right, it's a universal human right. Now, I wish I could say that religious freedom is stronger today than it was 27 years ago, but that simply wouldn't be true. The evidence of growing persecution is overwhelming. And nowhere is that more evident than in China, where the Chinese Communist Party is carrying out one of its most sweeping and coordinated crackdowns on Christians in decades. Members of Congress are taking note and taking action, I might add, which is encouraging. They're working to hold the CCP accountable. And among those leading the charge is my next guest, U.S. Senator Ted Budd of North Carolina. He serves on the Senate Armed Services Committee and the Select Committee on Intelligence, and he's been sounding the alarm about China's escalating assault on religious freedom. Senator Budd, welcome back to Washington Watch.
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Thanks for joining us. Great to be with you, Tony. Thanks for all that you do for religious freedom and all of our rights around the world. Well, I mean, it makes sense.
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It is one of our best foreign policy issues because the evidence is overwhelming. If a country has religious freedom, it's more stable economically, more prosperous, and it's less of a risk to America.
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Well, you think about President Xi and the other totalitarian leaders around the world. They completely missed this. They look at themselves as almost godlike, and they've missed it. I think it's a huge opportunity in our country to lead on this, especially as you look at a country like China trying to grow its influence around the world. And so we really need to stand up for religious freedom and go after those who are attacking it.
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Well, I like the way you have approached this. You've got legislation that you put in, combating the persecution of religious groups in China Act. But you understand that religious freedom is a tool in our tool bag of international foreign policy, but it's a big tool. And we need to utilize it. And part of that is using sanctions to go after those who are persecuting Christians and others.
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Well, we need to give the State Department and specifically Secretary Rubio, and I think he's doing a great job and he personally believes in this, but we want to give him all the tools that he needs to work on this issue. And the other is just to elevate the issue so that it's not forgotten. It's one of our fundamental rights. We don't want to take it for granted. And it's so important for the stability of the world that we want to make sure that the State Department keeps it front and center. WHEN WE'RE GOING INTO TRADE NEGOTIATIONS, LIKE WITH CHINA RIGHT NOW, WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT THIS IS PART OF THE CONVERSATION.
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WELL, LET'S TALK ABOUT THAT, SENATOR BUDD, BECAUSE THE PRESIDENT'S IN ASIA. HE'S HAVING THESE CONVERSATIONS RIGHT NOW. ARE YOU CONFIDENT THAT THAT'S A PART OF THE CONVERSATION?
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I'M CONFIDENT THAT WE'RE GOING TO ELEVATE IT SO THAT IT DOES BECOME PART OF THE CONVERSATION. BUT IF YOU LOOK AT WHAT CHINA'S DONE IN THE LAST SIX, SEVEN YEARS, IT'S ACTUALLY ONE OF THE WORST CRACKDOWNS IN RECENT DAYS THAT THEY'VE DONE SINCE 2018. SO THEY DEFINITELY NEED TO BE CALLED ON THE CARPET FOR THIS, AND IT NEEDS TO BE PART OF THE BROADER CONTEXT WHEN THEY WANT TO TRADE AND SELL THEIR GOODS IN THE U.S.
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You know, it seems to be a pattern, though, that as they approach these meetings with the U.S., there's usually a crackdown of sorts that comes prior to those meetings. And I don't know if it's, you know, subconscious or what, but this seems to be deeply rooted in the leadership of the Communist Party there in China.
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WE ARE NOT JUST GOING AFTER THE PRC OR THE PEOPLE'S REPUBLIC OF CHINA AS A WHOLE. WE'RE GOING AFTER THE INDIVIDUALS THAT ARE PUTTING THIS PERSECUTION FORTH. SO WE WANT TO TARGET THE INDIVIDUALS THAT XI IS LEANING ON FOR THIS PERSECUTION AND MAKE SURE THAT THEY THINK TWICE BEFORE THEY DO THIS. SOMETIMES THIS ISN'T JUST AT THE DIRECTION OF XI, BUT IT'S ALSO INDIVIDUALS IN THE DIFFERENT REGIONS AROUND CHINA. BUT YOU'RE SEEING FOLKS LOCKED DOWN AND THEY HAVE FIVE AUTHORIZED RELIGIONS AND IF YOU STEP OUTSIDE OF THOSE OR YOU HAVE YOUR OWN IF YOU DON'T HAVE PERSONAL FAITH, THEN YOU'RE VERY LIKELY TO BE PERSECUTED. IT'S JUST WE CAN'T HAVE THIS. XI IS COMPLETELY WRONG IN THE WAY HE'S APPROACHING THIS AND WE NEED TO MAKE SURE IT'S PART OF THE
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Okay, Senator, but let's unpack this a little bit. We've got about three minutes left. Because some people say, two questions I really want to answer. Some people say, well, this is none of your business. Why are you being involved in the business of China? And then number two is, you know, we don't want to get militarily involved, which you're not advocating. Explain what these sanctions are and how they work.
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THIS INCREASES THE TOOL BAG. YOU DID MENTION THAT EARLIER. SO I WOULD SAY THIS GIVES RUBIO ALL THE TOOLS THAT HE NEEDS. FIRST OF ALL, IT ELEVATES IT. IT GIVES HIM THE TOOLS THAT HE NEEDS SO THAT YOU CAN TARGET INDIVIDUALS. IF THIS IS BANKING, IF THIS IS TRAVEL RELATED, IT'S A WHOLE SWATH OF TOOLS THAT THE STATE DEPARTMENT CAN USE. They have to remember that they have the toolbox and that they actually go into those to go after these individuals and make them think twice before they target individuals like they've recently done. Going after Christian pastors and making them, if they are releasing them from prison, which we have one from North Carolina that was in prison, but then all of a sudden now he's released, but he's not allowed to leave the country. So this makes them think twice before they do that. Why is this our business? BECAUSE IF THEY WANT TO TRADE WITH OUR COUNTRY, IF THEY WANT TO BE AN INFLUENCER FOR THE WORLD LIKE THEY'RE TRYING TO DO, LIKE PRESIDENT XI WANTS, I MEAN, THAT'S HIS DESIGN, IS TO END U.S. HEGEMONY, WHICH HAS CREATED SO MUCH HEALTH AND PROSPERITY AND STABILITY FOR THE WORLD. BUT HE WANTS TO REPLACE THAT. THAT LEADS TO PERSECUTION, IT LEADS TO OPPRESSION, IT LEADS TO INSTABILITY AROUND THE WORLD. AND SO I THINK IT'S GOOD NOT JUST FOR THEM, IT'S GOOD FOR US AND IT'S GOOD FOR THE REST OF THE WORLD.
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And I think, Senator Budd, it's also a reflection of what Jesus said is that we're to love our neighbor.
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Let's not forget that. Let's keep that front and center.
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Right. And whether they're next door or they're around the world, others that are being persecuted for exercising this fundamental human right need and deserve to have us speaking up on their behalf. SENATOR, WE HAVE ABOUT A MINUTE LEFT. I KNOW A LOT OF FOLKS INTERESTED IN WHAT'S HAPPENING WITH THE GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWN. ARE YOU SEEING ANY MOVEMENT AMONG YOUR DEMOCRATIC COLLEAGUES?
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I AM SEEING SOME CONVERSATIONS. YOU'RE SEEING THE UNIONS WHICH ARE TYPICALLY DEMOCRAT SUPPORTED SAYING, HEY, LET'S END THIS SHUTDOWN. YOU'RE SEEING SO MANY PEOPLE THAT ARE GETTING HURT. YOU'RE STARTING TO SEE INCREASING DELAYS IN AIR TRAFFIC. I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT THEY'RE TRYING TO ACHIEVE. THEY'RE SAYING THIS IS OVER HEALTH CARE, BUT LET'S REMEMBER, THIS IS ABOUT SUBSIDIES FOR THE AFFORDABLE CARE ACT. AND IF YOU'RE ASKING FOR SUBSIDIES ON SOMETHING, IT NEVER WAS AFFORDABLE TO BEGIN WITH. DEMOCRATS IN 2009 WITH THE ACA OBAMACARE, THEY BROKE HEALTH CARE, THEN THEY PROPPED IT UP WITH SUBSIDIES, AND THEN THEY SET THESE DEADLINES. SO THIS IS A PROBLEM THAT THEY'VE CREATED. AND WE'VE VOTED 12 TIMES AS REPUBLICANS PLUS THREE DEMOCRATS TO OPEN THE GOVERNMENT. And we just need five more to get us across 60. And we're hopeful for those conversations. But we want to open the government and give people the services that their tax dollars are going for.
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Senator Ted Budd, always great to see you. And thanks again for your leadership on behalf of religious freedom. Deeply needed and deeply appreciated. Thank you. All right, folks, stick with us. We're back with more on this conversation about China after the break. For over 4,000 years, the Jewish people have had legal, historical, and biblical ties to the land of Israel, especially the heartland of Israel, Judea and Samaria, which much of the world still calls the West Bank. To Israelis, Judea and Samaria is far more than a name. It's the center of their ancestral homeland where nearly 80% of the Bible's events took place. Abraham purchased property in Hebron, Jacob in Shechem, Joshua made an altar on Mount Ebal and led the Israelites into a covenant before God. On Mount Gerizim, overlooking Shechem, Jesus talked to the Samaritan woman at the well about worshiping neither on Mount Gerizim nor in Jerusalem, but in spirit and in truth. judean samaria is nearly a quarter of israel's current land mass not a small strip of land on the jordan river but a vital and strategic part of the nation's identity the october 7th massacre launched from gaza shattered the illusion that giving away territory brings peace gaza which was once seen as the cornerstone of a two-state solution became a launch pad for terror Today, only 21% of Israelis support a Palestinian state. Trust in a two-state solution has all but collapsed. The Middle East is changing. Iran's grip is weakening. New alliances are forming. But Western countries and some U.S. officials still chase the mirage of a two-state solution. History speaks clearly. The 2005 Gaza withdrawal, backed by the U.S., led not to peace, but to a terrorist regime. Judea and Samaria are 24 times larger than Gaza, deeply woven into Israel's geographic and spiritual fabric. To surrender them would not bring peace. It would invite conflict and existential danger. Family Research Council stands with Israel's rightful claim to sovereignty. It's time for America to do the same for history, for justice, and for lasting security in the Middle East. Welcome back to Washington Watch. Thanks so much for tuning in on this Tuesday. All right. Thursday evening, we're going to be having a prayer call. Congress prays for America. It's going to be hosted by Family Research Council, myself and the. the Freedom Caucus, House Freedom Caucus, Dr. Andy Harris. If you'd like to join us, it's going to be at 8 p.m., and if you'd like to find out how you can be a part of that prayer call, text PRAY, PRAYS, that's P-R-A-Y-S, PRAYS, to 67742, that's 67742, Congress PRAYS for America, and you can join us. All right. In the last segment, I spoke with U.S. Senator Ted Budd of North Carolina about the recent crackdown on the house churches in China and the bill he's introduced in response. Well, one of the church leaders who was detained during the raids earlier this month was Pastor Ezra Jin Mingri, who has been leading underground churches in China since 2007. Now, ahead of President Trump's visit to Asia last week, Pastor Ezra's daughter has been urging the president to raise the issue of the detained church leaders with China's president, who President Trump is expected to meet with on Thursday. And she joins me now to share her father's story. Grace, welcome to Washington Watch. Thanks so much for joining us.
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Thank you, Tony. Thank you for giving me the opportunity.
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First, tell us about your father and what happened.
SPEAKER 16 :
Yes. So on October 10th, starting from October 9th, 10th and 11th, our church, Zion Church, was raided from nine different cities and they were They detained up to 30 people in the beginning. Some folks have since been released or have been put on bail. But currently there are 22, including my father. And recently they've detained another individual. So now there are 23 detained from all across China, and they're all being placed in a detention center in Beihai City in Guangxi Province. which is where my father is currently living. This has been seen as one of the largest crackdown of Chinese underground churches in the last 40 years. And we think that this is definitely an escalation of relations between church and state. and they are all being charged with a very recently legislated policy under illegal dissemination of information online and those are all the reason why they are charged with that is because my father has been preaching his sermons on Zoom and having this hybrid model in which people meet both online and offline. And we were able to reach up to 10,000 people often daily for their daily devotionals. And because of the church influence, Zion Church has been subject to this attack.
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So, Grace, so people understand what's been happening there. So they crack down on in-person meetings, if you're not a registered church, an official church. So technology has been used to allow churches to meet, as you said, on Zoom. People are hungry for that fellowship and for that teaching. And so now they've gone after that, passing laws saying that you can't disseminate information online like this. So the bottom line is, they want to silence and eliminate the church.
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yes yes thank you so much for that question yes in 2018 um prior to 2018 zion church was one of the largest church in beijing and we were hosting about a thousand five hundred people um weekly and we had a sanctuary a beautiful sanctuary and in 2018 the government cracked down on the the place and took away um the the location of the church took away everything confiscated every and would now allow Zion Church or anyone to rent any space in Beijing. And that forced us to go on this online model and we were able to do this online offline meeting in smaller groups when we are able to have rent out like smaller spaces in the future. But again, this is partly also because of the Chinese policy during COVID in which there was a severe lockdown and no one was able to do anything. That Zion Church exploded, especially during COVID. And so now we have, it's no longer just a regional church in Beijing, but a nationwide church in which there are, we are spread across 40 different cities and have many, like 100, up to 100 meeting points. And And so that is also why many of these that are detained were, like, detained and captured and brought to Bay High from nine different cities.
SPEAKER 10 :
Grace, we just have about a minute and a half left. What's the condition of your father, and how can we be praying for your father and the other church leaders?
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My father has severe type 2 diabetes, and so we are really concerned about his health, along with several others that are detained. They are relatively elderly and have some different health problems. They will not allow my father to use the medication that the doctors have prescribed to him. We are very concerned about their sleeping habits. situation there's apparently put in a room with more than 30 others with no beds and they're all expected to sleep in a room um all together and so those are all very concerning things for the family they're not allowing any families to visit um and such so we really hope and pray that there will be more attention for my father and the church. And we plead that, yeah, that the Christians from all across the world will be able to pray with us and to advocate for my father's situation.
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Well, Grace, we certainly will be doing that and we'll encourage others to stand with you and your family and your father and all of the believers there in China. Grace, thanks so much for sharing this information with us about your father.
SPEAKER 16 :
Thank you so much, Tony. Yes.
SPEAKER 10 :
All right. Folks, I do want to encourage you to pray as we were talking about with Senator Ted Budd. These are our neighbors. These are our brothers and sisters. Let's pray for them. All right, more straight ahead.
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Welcome back to Washington Watch. Thanks so much for tuning in. I want to thank Jody Heiss for filling in for me yesterday. I was traveling this past weekend. I had the privilege of speaking at the 60th anniversary of the church that I first attended when I was a child, about six years old. Never been into a church before. Went to a vacation Bible school, and the result of that, my entire family came to know the Lord. But I had the privilege of speaking there this weekend. And if you'd like to see that, it's on my Facebook page. But it was a real... real privilege for me to be able to do that. All right, for those of you who have joined us for our stand on the word Bible reading plan, we're gonna begin Paul's prison letters, all right? And we've got a resource for you. It's a 14 day journey through Ephesians, Philippians, Colossians, and Philemon. And it starts this Saturday. And the study guide, Paul's prison letters is available to you. Just text the word letters to 67742. That's letters to 67742 to get your copy. So our word for today comes from Acts chapter 23. But the following night the Lord stood by him and said, Be of good cheer, Paul, for as you have testified for me in Jerusalem, so you must also bear witness at Rome. Now, the next morning, more than 40 Jews formed a conspiracy, binding themselves under an oath not to eat or drink until they had killed Paul. They even enlisted the chief priest and elders in their murderous plot. But God was already at work. Paul's nephew overheard the plot and reported it first to Paul. Then Paul sent him to the Roman commander. Through this timely intervention, the plan was exposed and Paul was protected. Now, here's the question. Did Paul simply rest on the Lord's promise or did he act upon it? Paul's example shows that faith is not passive. He believed God's word, but also acted in alignment. with it, using wisdom, appealing to authority, and trusting God to fulfill His purpose. True faith doesn't dismiss action. It directs it. When we stand on God's promises, we must also move in obedience, knowing His purposes will prevail. To find out more, about our journey through the Bible, text BIBLE to 67742. That's BIBLE to 67742. Now, I've said this a number of times, but there's a reason why we spend a significant amount of time on this program talking about Israel. Among the many domestic issues we talk about, we also talk about foreign policy issues. And this is one of those issues we cannot afford to get wrong here in America. And the church needs to be informed and engaged on this biblical topic. Unfortunately, there are some who believe America and Christians should not be supporting Israel. In fact, here's a clip of what Tucker Carlson said on his show yesterday when talking about Christian support for Israel.
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How do you explain Mike Huckabee, Ted Cruz? And they're a lot like that John Bolton. I mean, I've known them all, George W. Bush, like Karl Rove. I mean, all people I know personally who I've seen, like, be seized by this brain virus. And they're not Jewish. Most of them are self-described Christians. And then the Christian Zionists who are, well, Christian Zionists. Like, what is that? Right. And I can just say for myself, I dislike them more than anybody. Because like, what? Because it's Christian heresy. And I'm offended by that as a Christian. Yeah.
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Brain virus? Christian heresy supporting Israel? Is the Bible not clear on this? Joining me now to discuss this is Dr. Gerald McDermott, distinguished professor of theology at Jerusalem Seminary. He is also the editor of the new Christian Zionism, Fresh Perspectives on Israel and the Land, and author of Israel Matters, Why Christians Must Think Differently About the People and the Land. Dr. McDermott, welcome to Washington Watch. Thanks so much for joining us.
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Well, thank you, Tony. It's my privilege to be on here.
SPEAKER 10 :
Now, let's start with a little background, because I think this is important for our viewers and listeners. You used to be on the other side of this issue.
SPEAKER 09 :
Yes, I did.
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Explain that, and what changed your perspective?
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I was a supersessionist, a replacement theologian. I was a great disciple of N.T. Wright, who is a supersessionist. He denies he is, but by redefining it. And he's still a friend, and I respect him. But I had a wake-up call about 25 years ago when I was leading a church tour of Israel, and my guide said, who was doing a PhD at Hebrew University in Jerusalem, took me aside after about my second day of giving my little spiel at each biblical site and said, Dr. McDermott, have you read so-and-so? And I said, no, I never heard of so-and-so. Are you familiar with this book and this article? No, I'm not. And I went home that night and I told my wife in the hotel room, I said, Jean, you know, I think that Baruch is telling me that everything I'm saying is wrong. So I went back to the States and looked up these books and these scholars, which led me to more books and scholars, which led me to more. And eventually I realized that everything I had been saying was wrong, it was replacement theology, and after I looked at all of this deeper research that had been coming out since the 1970s in response to the Holocaust and wondering how this happened in the most Christianized country in the world, in the birthplace of the Reformation, all of a sudden the Gospel looked different. Jesus looked different. God was different. So that's, and so that was four books ago and probably a hundred articles ago on top of all my other books on Jonathan Edwards.
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Let me, borrowing from some of your writings that I've read, the scripture played a key role in this because as you talked about, there had been a veil over your eyes because of the background and the teaching that you had been subjected to. And then all of a sudden you saw these promises
SPEAKER 09 :
Yeah, Tony, you know, I got a bachelor's degree many, many years ago from the University of Chicago in New Testament and early Christian literature. And then I did a Ph.D. at the University of Iowa in history of Jewish and Christian thought. And I have been told by all my professors at Chicago and in Iowa that the land promise had dropped out of the New Testament. And so you know what happens when you're told that something does not exist, you tend not to see it.
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So let me stop here. The land promise is what God told Abraham about the land, that this was going to be yours. And so that, and many believe that stopped with the Old Testament. And so all of the promises given to Israel in the Old Testament now belong to the, basically to the church, that replacement theology. Right, right.
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And so I suddenly, but then as I did read deeper into the Greek New Testament, and I had been reading the Greek New Testament for 35 years already since I grew up a Roman Catholic and went to a Jesuit high school in New York City where I learned classical Greek because I was a stutterer, and that was a dead language. I was looking forward to not having to speak in class. And I started to see the land promise all over the New Testament. And that's what led to my first book, The New Christian Zionism, in which I assembled scholars from different disciplines on all the basic, all the books in the New Testament showing the land promise throughout. Okay, Jesus talks about the land promise. Yes, he does. Jesus says in Matthew 5, 17 through 19, he says, every jot and tittle, now that's not, that's actually a bad translation. Tittle is actually a cry on, horn. The least stroke of the pen in Hebrew is given by God. Now, Jesus is talking in verse 17 about the law and the prophets, the Jewish shorthand for all what we call the Old Testament. Every stroke of the pen is given by God. Now, I have counted, and I tabulate this at the end of my book, The New Christian Zionism, and also the end of the book called Israel Matters. All the places the land promise is repeated either directly or indirectly in the Old Testament over 1,000 times. And Jesus says every stroke, so it's very clear that Jesus believed in the land promise. Another verse here that shows it is Matthew 5, 6, blessed are the meek for they shall inherit. Now it's typically translated the earth, but more and more scholars are realizing that Jesus is quoting word for word, Psalm 37, 11. And in Psalm 37, 11, five times this phrase is repeated, to inherit the land. Now the Hebrew word there is is Eretz, which can be translated earth or land, but scholars agree that in Psalm 37, all five times that that phrase is repeated, it refers to the land of Israel. Blessed are the meek, for they shall inherit the land of Israel. Now, that's Jesus. So, according to Tucker Carlson then, Jesus was a Christian heretic. And Dangerous ground to be on.
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And Paul is a Christian heretic, and therefore... We just finished in our journey through the Bible, we just finished Romans, and Paul talks about the gifts are irrevocable. Yes. And chief among those gifts... Is it not the land?
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You know, Tony, in the first century, for first century Jews like Philo, the great philosopher who was a contemporary of Paul, and Josephus, the great Jewish historian, and Ezekiel, the tragedian, they all talked about the gifts that God had given to the Jewish people. And for all of them, the number one gift was the land. So when Paul says the gifts are irrevocable, cannot be revoked, he is talking about chief among those gifts for Paul is the land. And we have proof of this in Acts of the Apostles chapter 13. Luke tells us that he's preaching a sermon in a synagogue in Antioch of Pisidia, which is modern Turkey. And he says in, and this is one of the verses that blew me away after my wake up call. He says, the God of this people, of this people Israel, chose our fathers, and he meant the patriarchs, so Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, and gave them their land as an inheritance. I remember the first time I saw that, It jumped off the page of me, and I thought, why have I not seen this for 25, 30 years reading the Greek New Testament? I hadn't seen it because I was told it was not there. But you cannot be any clearer. Paul could not have been any more direct. And by the way... This was at least 20 years after the resurrection. So it wasn't that this was an early belief that later changed. No, this was within a few years of his martyrdom. God gave them their land as an inheritance. It could not be more clear.
SPEAKER 10 :
Dr. McDermott, you summarize or you conclude that the land promise is still valid. It did not expire. It did not pass away. It did not cease. It is still valid in biblical teaching and biblical prophecy.
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Oh, absolutely. You know, think of Jeremiah 31. Now, that's a chapter in Jeremiah that the New Testament quotes frequently because of the language about the new covenant, and Christians are very familiar with it, but they aren't as familiar with verses 35 and 36. where Jeremiah says that as long as the sun, moon, and stars are in the sky, and you know, I'm looking out my window right now and it's a gray cloudy sky, but I'm pretty sure the sun is behind the clouds. And I'm pretty sure the moon and the stars were out there last night. And Jeremiah says, as long as the sun, moon, and stars are in the sky, the Jewish people will be, and here's the Hebrew word, a nation. before me, a nation before me. So the Jewish people are still a nation before God because the sun, moon and stars are still in the sky and that's a biblical promise.
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You know, you made reference to the Holocaust and what we've seen since then, but I would say even what we've seen in the last two years is evident evidence of God's providence and protection upon the Jewish people. But I want to ask you, we just have about two minutes left, because I want to ask you this question. If the land promise is still valid, and I want to go back to where that promise was made in Genesis chapter 12, where he calls Abraham out to be a nation and says, I'm going to bless you and you'll be a blessing to the world, to the nations. But he says those who believe bless you will be blessed and those who curse you will be cursed. Is that still valid?
SPEAKER 09 :
Well, of course it is. All of God's Word is still valid. God's Word is eternal. Now, that doesn't mean we have to support every single policy of the State of Israel. The State of Israel is not directly prophesied in the Bible. Now, the return of the Jews to the land in the last three centuries, that is directly prophesied in the Bible. Right. And every people needs a state to protect itself, and especially the Jewish covenanted people. And the last century showed us, and today, Hamas have shown us that if the Jewish people don't have a state to protect them, then all their neighbors want to destroy them.
SPEAKER 10 :
So, Dr. McDermott, it would be proper or appropriate with the position, based on biblical teaching and prophecy, that you're right. Israel as a secular state does not do everything right, doesn't mean we should support everything they do, but we do support the right of the Jewish people to the land which God promised them.
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And to have a state, they need a state to protect them because all their neighbors want to destroy them. And the last two centuries have shown that. So the state is an indirect result that we should support because God has fulfilled the biblical promise to bring his covenanted people back to the land.
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Well, Dr. McDermott, this is to be continued. We're out of time for today. Fascinating conversation. Appreciate you coming on and sharing your insight. And as I said, we'll continue this conversation. Thank you. Folks, thank you for joining us as well. I encourage you to check out the website, TonyPerkins.com. Until next time, I leave you with the encouraging words of the Apostle Paul, found in Ephesians 6, where he says, when you've done everything you can do, when you've prayed, when you've prepared, and when you've taken your stand. By all means, keep standing.
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Just a day after the largest government-employee union called on the Democrat leaders in Congress to end the government shutdown, banks and credit unions are applying the same pressure. The Sekulow team discusses the economic fallout of the government shutdown, the ongoing fight between the Democrat and Republican leaders in Congress (e.g., Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer and Speaker of the House Mike Johnson), how the Trump Administration is handling the shutdown, the ACLJ's legal work – and much more.
SPEAKER 07 :
We got breaking news. Another domino falls as the major banks pressure the Democrats to end the shutdown.
SPEAKER 05 :
Keeping you informed and engaged now more than ever. This is Sekulow. We want to hear from you. Share and post your comments or call 1-800-684-3110. And now your host, Logan Sekulow.
SPEAKER 07 :
Welcome to Sekulow. Once again, we're talking the government shutdown as because the pressure points are on again. Yesterday, we talked about the pressures from the union. And today, the pressure is coming from the banks. That's right. You may have logged in even to your bank account. We actually had someone called in yesterday, said they were having problems with that. You logged in and you see a, Hey, are you affected by the government shutdown? We're here to help. Uh, you know, the government may not help you with the big banks. Well, where they're saying, Hey, we can only do that for so long. So you know what? It's time to end this shutdown. We're happy to help the American people when you won't. However, eventually, uh, That time will run out, Will, and that is what they're saying. And of course, the pressure's on. And now you're starting to have a little bit more closed door meetings. Things are starting to happen in the democratic world saying, hey, how do we actually draw this to an end? Because if we lose the unions and then we lose the banks, you know, it's going to get tough and tough.
SPEAKER 04 :
That's right. So the American Bankers Association, which is kind of the lobby association for the banking industry, they both have big banks and small banks, but they cover about 95 percent of all banks in the U.S. are members of this association. And they are putting out a statement now today that echoes very much what we saw from the Federal Workers Employee Union yesterday, which calls for a clean, continuing resolution and to resolve their policy differences when the government is open and functioning. So now you're starting to see pressure from two powerful groups, both the Federal Employees Union that we talked about yesterday and now the banking industry. Because when you also start to think about the pressure that can get put on these banks, they are helping individuals at this time. But if it keeps going on and people can't pay their bills, that could start to spark a different kind of financial crisis.
SPEAKER 07 :
I don't know how the banks actually work and the way money is moved around. It's not necessarily as clean as most people probably think. Your money's not sitting in a vault somewhere ready to go. However, the way they invest, the way they work, of course, they have some paused where they can help you out, just like they've done during some of the times of economic issues. However, that can wear thin when you start heading into historically long shutdowns.
SPEAKER 08 :
If you logged in to your bank account, checking account, kind of right when the shutdown began or a couple days later, many banks, it's your checking account, not your credit card accounts necessarily. Some of those do too. Yeah. But your bank actually says, if you're going to experience hardship because of payments being delayed or your salary being delayed, contact us. Now, I think why the banks now are moving on it is maybe they can do that for around a paycheck or two. But if they're starting to cover two months of paychecks, and that means people's mortgage payments and car payments and much bigger bills than just what they talk about is like the essentials, like the monthly stuff, that then puts strain on the banking system. Right. For all these federal employees who are not getting paid. So the banks actually step up in this scenario, do the right thing, but they really are doing it for this offering for what they can do as a temporary time. When it starts extending into payment number two and month number two and mortgage payment two. Yeah. Car payment too. That puts a lot of strain on the banking industry. And guess who that starts affecting then? Not just us, not just the people who aren't getting paid. It starts affecting all of us, right? Because your bank is under pressure as well. So I think with the unions saying, move on, Democrats, you don't have the votes. You're hurting government employees who, by the way, are 99.9% voting for you. So please ensure that they get their payment and fight your battles another day.
SPEAKER 07 :
And they made a very similar statement to the one yesterday coming from the other union, from the Government Employees Union, saying, We urge lawmakers to pass a clean, continuing resolution and resolve their policy differences with the government open and functioning. I mean, it's almost word for word what the Employees Union said yesterday, the Government Employees Union. So we know the pressure's on. Will the pressure matter? I want to hear from you. 1-800-684-3110. 1-800-684-3110. We also know that there is a big push for Christian persecution around the world. We're going to talk about that coming up because, man, it is a tough time in a lot of areas of the world. That's why the ACLJ exists well beyond the borders of America with our European Center, with our offices in Jerusalem and other places, some we can and some we can't even talk about. We'll discuss that coming up. We'll be right back. Welcome back to Seculo. There's a lot of you who are just joining us right now, so I think we need to restate what's going on. We have had another big break, if you will, a fracture with what historically would have been, of course, yesterday we talked about what would have been undemocraticalized, which was, of course, that the American, essentially the government workers union said, you know what? Time to pass a clean continuing resolution. Let's get this done right now. and people are hurting and like I told you I'm seeing it now in real places not Washington D.C. not that there's not real people in Washington D.C. but when you walk into your local drugstore and you can tell they're starting to feel the pressure and they're starting to get very frustrated and again like I said though in not necessarily because it's democrat talking points when you start saying hey quit focusing on the ballroom and start focusing on american people we know the facts and how that all works but the visuals are not good and of course that is one of the democrat talking points i saw that in that article you sent me earlier today where they said you know we need to stop worrying about ballrooms and start worrying about getting the american people back to work of course they don't talk about how all of that's being funded and doesn't honestly really matter at this point because now you've had another big break which is the banks and the credit unions have said it's time. It is time to wrap this up. We have been helping out our customers. We've been doing the right thing while the government's doing the wrong thing. We have been good to our customers, which, you know, good for them for having some good customer service and actually being loyal to their customers. But you know what? That can only go on for so long. We got to get this done because they've been giving people delays. They've been giving people advances. They've been working a lot. Like Jordan said, if you log into your bank account, largely you have seen some sort of, if this affects you, we're here to help.
SPEAKER 08 :
Just like if there's a storm. It's much like if you're one of the people affected by a hurricane or something like that.
SPEAKER 07 :
I'm in North Carolina last year.
SPEAKER 08 :
Yes, you'll see it. And again, for most of the people, they just kind of put it up there too. They're not sure who may have a home there or families there that you might be dealing with. And they're here to help. And so I think what the banks are saying is we are helping. But at a point, our help becomes difficult for our bottom line because it's one thing to cover a couple weeks of payments, a month of payments. But then if we're going to look into two months of payments, then it starts affecting not just the people who need the help from the bank, but everyone who utilizes the bank. And you don't want a banking crisis on top of it.
SPEAKER 07 :
And what I've seen now with even like a Fox business, I was listening to Fox business yesterday and they were like, Hey, but the economy is thriving, but the stock market's through the roof. So is it really hurting anybody? And the answer to that is yes, it is. It's starting to really hurt people. I'm sorry. It may not be hurting you, the Fox business viewers much, but it is hurting real people and you're seeing it.
SPEAKER 08 :
No, I mean, we know the Fox Business Viewer is typically someone who is at a point in life where they are making serious investments.
SPEAKER 07 :
They are watching Fox Business.
SPEAKER 08 :
Yeah, and following the market more than just regular news per day. So that's not the government employee who hasn't gotten their paycheck. We're living paycheck to paycheck. Like definitely. And, you know, it's because they do get great benefits. They're great retirement benefits, too, when you put your 20 years in. But these are those things they do have to weather. They've weathered them before and stayed with this position. I think what it says is we can have a discussion about the size of our government. But when our private banks step up and do the right thing, which is a great thing about America, I think, and our companies. They'll do it. Capitalism. They'll do it, but they will say, hey, guess what? Like, we can't do this forever.
SPEAKER 04 :
Well, and Jordan, I think another important point to showcase here is that this isn't just like Wells Fargo or Bank of America making an independent statement. It's the lobby. And the two things that we've been calling out is one of the big things is, oh, you know, Congress is still getting paid during all this. But what's interesting is when you have a large union that represents federal workers, that is very large. Not only is it a lot of these members of Congress constituents, but the unions end up making financial contributions to to members of congress in different races as well as this is the lobby for the bank so it represents the interest of all of those big banks and little banks across the board if they start getting pushback where then some of these members of congress who sometimes only are worried about a two-year cycle or a six-year cycle of getting re-elected And then they're concerned about getting campaign contributions because they held up this government being open. That starts to speak a little differently. And you even hear it from the number two leader in the Senate. This is Dick Durbin, who is retiring from his Senate career, however, still has a lot of power right now.
SPEAKER 08 :
And can speak his mind because of that.
SPEAKER 04 :
And this is what he said to Politico about the union statement yesterday. It said that Politico writes the union's plea forced many Democratic lawmakers into a defensive crouch. Their number two Senate leader said it would be subject of internal conversations this week with bipartisan talks all but ground to a halt. Quote, it has a lot of impact. They've been our friends. and that Democrats take them seriously, talking about the Federal Workers Union that we talked about yesterday. So even these public statements is starting to show a different side of the leadership of the Democrat Party in the Senate, even as on this 28th day of shutdown, the Senate is currently voting for, the vote should be over soon, we'll know, it's expected to fail. But today, right now, they are voting for the 13th time to pass the very same clean resolution that the union for the workers and this bank lobby is calling for congress to pass to end this shutdown so it hasn't necessarily changed it yet but you're already starting to hear different talk from the leadership on the democrat side which could really start to change
SPEAKER 07 :
13th attempt and the vote just failed. That is getting to the point of... Did it fail by the exact same number?
SPEAKER 08 :
Did any movement changes? We'll find out.
SPEAKER 04 :
As of right now, there were three Democrats. It was Senator Cortez Masto, Senator John Fetterman, and Angus King from Maine, who's an independent of the caucuses with the Democrats, were the only three that were voting with Republicans to move it forward.
SPEAKER 07 :
But a great name.
SPEAKER 04 :
Angus King. The latest vote I saw was unanimous from Republicans. And that's where they only needed five Democrats to move this forward.
SPEAKER 08 :
We'll look at that and see if there's anybody. Certainly with this pressure, I would imagine they could go back to the drawing board and say, you know, I don't know if we can survive this another week. Because interesting with this shutdown is Donald Trump has continued to do his work around the world. Peacemaking around the world, going nonstop. And they're in Washington and it's their fault that people aren't getting paid while he's doing everything he can to figure out how to pay our troops. We've seen that. And you know what they're saying? I don't know if that's legal. They want to challenge that. That someone donating paychecks for our military. Anonymously, of course, they were named, but anonymously, just to make sure our men and women in service are getting their paycheck, which mostly... if they're serving abroad, goes home to their families.
SPEAKER 04 :
Jordan, I want to get your take on this strategically for the Democrats. I know you don't want to give them any tips here because of what's going on, but you have some interesting moves here because on November 1st is what the Democrats were originally trying to hold out for. Yeah. Because that's when open enrollment for the Obamacare program comes up. They were hoping that Americans that saw a different price, they would be upset. And then that would give them more pressure on the Republicans to make a deal. You also have those elections coming up. The New York mayoral race. You have the governor of Virginia race and the governor of New Jersey also coming up in the next week. Do you think that we're already starting to hear some change in tune from people like Dick Durbin? Do you think that the Democrats need to wait until like Wednesday of next week to show they didn't cave before pivotal elections as well as that one benchmark? Or do you think this could be done as soon as this week?
SPEAKER 08 :
I think it depends on what the polls are showing in those pivotal elections, too. Is this really helping those candidates at all? Is it hurting those candidates or is it a nothing? Or could it actually depress the vote where it may be hard to poll, but people won't be as excited about those elections because it looks like, hey, putting more Democrats in to work with this administration right now or this Congress or running my state or city doesn't seem like it's going to be a great decision for me. So is it worth it? waiting in line on these off-year elections and getting out the vote. The other risk they're taking is that the insurance market's open and they're not double. You know, they are making, they are taking a chance that the, and again, this privatized market and they oversell how many people are in that. Most people do not get their insurance through the affordable care act. Right.
SPEAKER 07 :
Most people are still from their employer.
SPEAKER 04 :
It's either their employer or through the Medicaid program, which is run and administered by your state.
SPEAKER 08 :
After your retirement age, through your employer, through a husband, through a wife, some military service, something. This is for that group of people that aren't covered that way and who go into these exchanges. They're putting a lot on that group. I think it was like 30 million people, somewhere around that. in a country of 380 million.
SPEAKER 07 :
When we have about a minute and a half here I want to pivot real quick because tomorrow we're going to have a big thing happening in Washington D.C. and I want you to take a minute to talk about that because next segment we got Rick Grinnell joining us.
SPEAKER 08 :
Yeah so we are working with CPAC and we're co-sponsoring a summit on religious liberty in the United States and religious persecution worldwide so we kick off with actually a round table at the White House tomorrow with their faith office that some of us from the ACLJ will be obviously attending to kind of talk about, okay, the administration has done great work on its own. How do we codify it? How do we codify the IRS not going after churches for speaking their mind on politics? If you go to your pastor on everything but politics, it's kind of bizarre, right? That you can't even talk about local. Right now you can because of what President Trump's done by executive order. But what happens if there's a change? Well, it's not codified yet. The abortion funding, things like that to Planned Parenthood, codifying. So the next step is President Trump did everything that Republicans always promised they would do. Now we need to make sure after in the next legislative battles, we get it codified. So if we do that, then we have a reception tomorrow night at the Museum of the Bible and then an all day summit with leaders from the House, the Senate, as well as the executive branch.
SPEAKER 07 :
None of that happens without you. So I encourage you right now as we go to break, go to ACLJ.org, make a donation. If you can, we'll be right back with Rick Grinnell. Welcome back to Seculo. Phone lines are open at 1-800-684. And I want to hear from you. Do we have Rick yet? Are we still waiting? We're still waiting for Rick Grinnell. He'll be joining us in just a second. But I do want to encourage you to call in at 1-800-684-3110 because we'll be taking calls in the next few segments. Rick is joining us now. Make sure that we're good to go. Let me know, guys, when we are good. Waiting for the thumbs up. Good to go with Rick Grinnell. Rick, shock of the century. Gavin Newsom says, you know what? I'd be lying if I said, I can't lie. I cannot tell a lie like George Washington. I would be lying if I said I'm not eyeing a presidential bid. I mean, we are all stunned.
SPEAKER 03 :
look we it wasn't that long ago where he said that he was not running right so he's not running and now he's not lying that he is running uh look this guy's a robot everybody in california knows that he doesn't work in swing states he doesn't work in communities that are thoughtful uh let's let's be honest i hope he runs because he will implode in pennsylvania ohio wisconsin and michigan Swing states are not going for this guy. He barely works in far left areas of San Francisco. And even now, his reputation is running thin. He's trying to overturn the census and the bipartisan commission that has created our congressional districts in California. And he's trying to overturn them by claiming that somehow Donald Trump did something nefarious or that Republicans need to have a lesson learned from their their work in Texas. I mean, it's all such a blur, but he's got people like Tom Steyer melting down, going on television with their own commercials, screaming about what's happening. I mean, it's a true chaotic situation here in California, but hopefully people are recognizing that we've got to stop his manipulation, vote no on Prop 50, and highlight all of the failures that he has in case he runs for president.
SPEAKER 04 :
Rick, I'm glad you are able to join us today because I know you were up late watching the Dodgers last night win in an 18-inning game.
SPEAKER 08 :
We did a full 18. I was there. I felt like I was there. By the end of it, I didn't know. You were hallucinating.
SPEAKER 04 :
But you mentioned that. I mean, they were obviously running ads in California during the Dodgers game, which was getting a lot of views because of the location of the winning team last night. And just the fact that they're trying to utilize that World Series as a platform to move forward with Prop 50, what you've already mentioned. And you couple that with the work he's doing there and even in his – interview where he you know alluded to that he will consider it after 2026 whether or not to run he also is is trying to paint this picture of him of this like working class person who you know pulled himself up by his bootstraps and that you know that they got to where they are because of hustle you know just like everyone that starts their own vineyard at 25 years old i mean that's that's a very common thing uh but But I mean, just how is it? It seems like everything he does is trying to paint with revisionist history, whether it be his own history or even why California has that independent districting council. Even if it's not perfect, it's definitely not what he's doing now. But no matter what he says, it's always trying to obfuscate what the reality is.
SPEAKER 03 :
Well, two points here. We're talking about baseball, so we should talk about one of the big scandals for Gavin Newsom in that he said that he went to college on a baseball scholarship. He repeated that story for a very long time. He then said that he was recruited to go into the major leagues. None of that is true. He didn't do that. He didn't go to college on a baseball scholarship. He didn't play first base and almost go into the major leagues. He loves to tell these types of stories uh in a crowd of course he's using his hands the whole time like a robot but the reality is is that the media in california they don't challenge him so he gets away with it sacramento is completely controlled by the democrats all of our cities in california are controlled by democratic mayors all of the big cities and so we really do have a very serious situation where this is all left comfortable world and he's comfortable telling lies in his lefty world and no one challenges him. He is going to be just like Kamala. When you leave the comforts of San Francisco and Sacramento and you go to Washington DC or you go on the campaign trail, you immediately get challenged in your crazy radical thoughts. And you don't know how to defend them because you've never had to defend them. And so you implode on the national stage. And that's exactly what's going to happen to Gavin Newsom. I really do hope that the Democrats put him up because it'll be a nasty fall from grace.
SPEAKER 08 :
One thing he's done, Rick, which I thought just from the political side, which is interesting, I wanted your kind of comment on too, is in the last really six months as he's played this game of reaching out more to conservatives and going on Fox, going on other podcasts, and even on his own podcast, and kind of saying, you know, we can have these conversations, we can laugh, we can joke about it. But I think, you know, don't believe the wolf in sheep's clothing here. I mean, this is, again, you kind of see it in the smile, but He is a hard left operator, like you said, and he thinks strategically that's just a good look right now. I mean, that's how I interpret it. See, I can sit down and smile with these people. We can have a discussion. At the end of the day, he's not going to listen to any of those people for policy. He's going to totally exclude them from any kind of process if he ever got to that level of power.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah, people should not be fooled by this guy. I think he's reinvented himself through podcasts four or five times, renaming the podcast, coming up with a new gimmick. If it doesn't work, he just literally comes up with something new. And this is my point. He's not going to be able to get away with that when he goes on the national stage, when he goes to other states. They're going to call him out for it, and the public is going to be educated. Here in California, the LA Times, the San Francisco Chronicle, The Union Tribune in San Diego, they're all lefty papers. All of the TV stations are far left radical. And so he gets away with it because no one is challenging him. Again, it's just like how Kamala Harris went to Washington and climbed her way into the national spotlight and then imploded because as soon as she was tested, as soon as she had a little pushback, she didn't know how to defend any of these ideas. Gavin is going to be the same way. Watch him. He'll lose his cool. He'll mock the other side for being some sort of radical Nazi group. But he does not know how to defend these issues. He's not that smart. He is just super calculating and always going to reinvent himself and hope for you to not notice.
SPEAKER 07 :
Rick, I appreciate you chiming in. Of course, it's a big week as a lot of people are starting to talk about 2028. A little bit early for me to feel like we need to be talking about it. But of course, we're never outside of an election year. It feels like now. It's always election time in America. So we appreciate you chiming in and letting us know how things are out there in California. With that, we're going to head to break. We appreciate it. We have a one-minute break coming up. And if you get us on SiriusXM, on YouTube, on Rumble, on the Salem News Channel, All those places, we got a full hour coming up for you. So a whole nother half hour. Some of your local radio stations only carry the first half hour. Make sure you join us live each and every day, 12 to 1 p.m. And of course, this is later on. That's on Eastern time. If this is later on, you can always find us archived. However, get your podcast, of course, aclj.org. or the ACLJ app. The phone lines are open for you. We're going to reset a bit in the next segment. We are going to talk about some of the work that Jordan's going to be doing in Washington, D.C. Of course, we are going to hear from you at 1-800-684-3110. We are still also continuing our battle against Christian persecution, not just here in America, the real kind of persecution that's happening all around the world, whether that is pastors that have been imprisoned throughout the world, including in China. We have a pastor we've been working with, a new situation. We'll brief you on that coming up. And look, we've fought successfully for persecuted pastors all over the world before. We're going to do it again. We're going to need your help to get success here. It's always what happens. You got to bring media attention and you got to bring legal attention. OK, so sign a petition. We got a brand new petition at ACLJ.org. You can find out a lot more information. Be right back in less than a minute.
SPEAKER 05 :
Keeping you informed and engaged now more than ever. This is Sekulow. And now your host, Logan Sekulow.
SPEAKER 07 :
Second half hour of Sekulow coming up. Of course, we were talking about a lot of different topics, but one of the main ones is that the banks and the credit unions are saying, hey, it is time to end this shutdown. And we got a call coming in. I want to take it right off the top. A couple lines are open at 1-800-684-3110. Nancy's calling from Texas with a very specific question I know a lot of you had. Nancy, go ahead.
SPEAKER 02 :
Yes, I would like to know if we the people have the ability to have a say in this. Is there an address or a phone number that we could contact to try to sway some of these Democrats?
SPEAKER 07 :
Yeah, Nancy, I think one of the things also is just to figure out who we're talking about here. Who is actually on that list that could be swayed? A lot of them are, you know, they're going to make the decision based on are they going to get reelected? Are they going to make their constituents happy? And a lot of times right now, being bipartisan does not do that for a lot of these people. So, Will, though, who's on that line?
SPEAKER 04 :
Well, I think you have to start looking at it, one, where there's a lot of federal workers. So you think about Virginia and Maryland, where you have Tim Kaine, Mark Warner, Chris Van Hollen and Angela also Brooks. And then you also think about Chuck Schumer. He actually angered a lot of people in his party. for voting for a CR a year ago, but he's one that has continuously done that. If he feels like the party needs to change direction, Chuck Schumer could change that. You hear Dick Durbin starting to change his mind to some degree and say, you know, we have to take it seriously. And also he's on his way out. He doesn't have to fear the pushback or retribution of his voters if That's something that he'd be afraid of. So I think you kind of start at it there. I mean, they need five, and I've just listed six, the two from Maryland, the two from Virginia, Chuck Schumer and Dick Durbin. And then that's a place that I feel like the Republicans could start, especially when you look at people that are in leadership. that don't want to completely tank their party or their chances in the midterms. You also look at maybe some senators that have races coming up in 2026 that could feel vulnerable if all of a sudden their party is being blamed for this. That's probably the angles that either the Republicans or people that are trying to convince people would start looking.
SPEAKER 08 :
Yeah, I agree. I think that you could be strategic about this. We don't have to just call through every Democrat. Think about where are their federal employees? And they're kind of located, of course, across the country. But where are the hubs? Like Will said, you've got Northern Virginia, Maryland, that hub there. Some in Delaware maybe as well. Yeah, some in Delaware. And then if you've got kind of a senator who plays moderate that's a Democrat, they may be worth... willing to call, especially if they're in your state. They really like calls from people who are their actual constituents. Those calls get bumped up on the list. How many did we get from our actual state to the senator? And then they will look at the total calls, but how many did we get from Pennsylvania or Texas? In your case, Texas, you've got two senators who are voting to keep the government open with Ted Cruz and John Cornett. So that's not an issue for you there. So again, look to who tries to play that moderate game. You don't need to be calling the radical left and put the pressure there.
SPEAKER 07 :
Does it matter if they're not in their voting group? You know what I mean? So Nancy starts calling someone in Delaware. Is that going to matter? Yeah.
SPEAKER 08 :
You don't really need to get into politics with them. Just say, listen, it's hurting too many people. You could say something like, it's hurting family and friends who are federal government employees because they don't know when they're going to get their next paycheck, and I'm trying to help them out, so now it's hurting me. And I think that actually works when you're talking to their staff, whether you live in that state or not.
SPEAKER 07 :
By the way, they have these phone numbers for a reason. And this is one of those reasons. So, yes, they may be annoyed by you, but they also have to have these. They're supposed to be doing it.
SPEAKER 08 :
They keep track of every call that comes in from the outside on what the issue is about and what the person is asking the senator to do.
SPEAKER 07 :
Yep. So, I mean, know that it does make an impact. It really can. With that, we're going to head into the next segment. And we've got four lines open, so great time to call in. And we're going to discuss a lot of the work of the ACLJ. We've got a packed couple days coming at you. And, of course, our office in Washington, D.C. is expanding, as well as our media headquarters. And we are around the world right now here at the ACLJ, fighting for religious freedom, Christian persecution around the world. We want you to be a part of that journey as well. So, I'm going to encourage you as we head to the end of October right now. Think about supporting the work of the ACLJ. And of course, November and December, big months. That's the time we're really going to be talking to you about all the different ways that you can support the ACLJ and get creative with that. Because look, the media and the legal side is just heating up. We never shut down, not even on Christmas. Okay? So go to ACLJ.org right now, make your donation. We'll be right back with your calls and comments. Welcome back to Seculo. Phone lines are completely open, by the way. I think we lost some during the break there. So if you ever want to be on the air, this is a great time to do it. But Jordan, I wanted you to talk about what's going on in Washington, D.C. Because as the office has kind of re-evolved and changed, we've had so much growth and change going on in Washington, D.C. And of course, every time there is a new president, every time there is a new group, things have to kind of be adjusted in Washington, D.C. Because you're talking to a very different person.
SPEAKER 08 :
uh you know house senate and of course uh presidency and the supreme court and all different it all changes every time an administration shifts so we brought in a much more experienced government affairs team that we're building out now uh through um uh both me and don parsons have been working on this who's a senior counsel with us here at aclj for uh a year to bring in the right person he's been on the broadcast now uh and he again has got you know over 20 years experience on Capitol Hill and building out his team, ACLJ Action, which is doing a lot of work right now, even through the shutdown, expanding where the ACLJ goes, which also then for you, the supporter of the ACLJ, these bigger kind of corporations and companies and individuals in D.C. realize the strength and also the skills, right? that we provide at the ACLJ, the knowledge that we have to be able to walk through these complicated legal issues and policy issues as well. But I mean, just this week, we are partnering officially with CPAC, people know CPAC, on what is a very targeted event on ending Christian persecution and religious liberty in the United States. So kind of looking at the US and then looking around the world. And we start off at the White House tomorrow and their faith office, and it's kind of saying, what do we do with all the good that President Trump and the executive branch are doing? What do we do next? And I think the focus is, of course, is victories in the midterm elections, which can be very difficult, so that we can then begin to target and codify so many of these executive orders, which have been things promised. but never delivered by previous Republican presidents. And I can thank Speaker Johnson for that, too, getting the defunding of Planned Parenthood, things like that. Also, the protections for churches to be able to speak their minds on all issues, the IRS executive order. We have to work now, conscience protections, on... codifying that into law. It's hard to think about that during a shutdown when they can't even get the budget through, but groups like us can start thinking about that now and working through. So we start off that tomorrow morning, I think, right in the afternoon. Then we're hosting the reception for the event at the Museum of the Bible with members of Congress, with experts in kind of religious liberty, everyone coming together. I'm speaking at that along with Matt and Mercedes Schlapp, who people know from CPAC and American Conservative Union. And then switching there to the next day, we're hosting a summit. And I'm proud to say with four of our ACLJ folks, we'll be in it out of I think about six, seven panels. So I'm helping kick it off and helping kind of end it as a speaker, but I'm also moderating a panel that I think Ben Sisney is on, and then CeCe Howell's on a panel. Christy will be on a panel as well. And some are looking at international, some are looking at U.S. And so it's that line we've always talked about, Logan, which has gotten a little blurrier, something I'm going to be talking about there. we usually say that Christian persecution happens in, in other places around the world. And that here we, we face at most discrimination, but with what happened with the parents, you know, going to the, um, going to the school boards and then FBI showing up your door because Latin mass and all of those issues, you know, it's, it's creeping. At least the line is getting a little blur between, um, discrimination, which is bad enough in a country that defines freedom of religion in its first amendment. Uh, two i wouldn't say persecution yet you know you're not but also then what can our government be doing better to make sure that christians who should be protected in other countries that their governments are using the resources many times provided by the us i kind of look like nato like if we're going to provide you resources and treat you as an ally and you've got a christian community that makes up 40 or 50 percent of your population but you're not willing to use your military which we help train and fund to protect them from the radicals then you are failing as a leader and putting your funding from the U.S. in jeopardy. So that's how I look from the international side. And we're able to then spend six hours throughout a day getting into these issues and then coming forward in a unified way Because we know we've got a White House and administration, a Department of Justice, a Senate and House with leaders. I mean, I think about it, that we've been fighting with before they were even there. You think about Mike Johnson, you think about Ted Cruz, you think about, again, even President Trump, who has been willing to go there on the issues. They'd always talk about Republican candidates. Lord knows I worked for many of them. And then if they got there, it became the last thing on their agenda. And usually it was the first thing cut in a negotiation. The first thing they cut is the funding. Okay, we can't get you on defunding Planned Parenthood. We tried. We had to cut that out.
SPEAKER 04 :
What's an interesting thing to me here as well is that for those of you that have watched the ACLJ for a long time or followed the work of the organization, persecution around the world has been something we have had a unique opportunity to fight, whether it be our status at the UN, our offices around the world. When it comes to an event like CPAC, which is very high profile, people know CPAC in America. It has been a kingmaker for a very long time within Republican politics and conservative politics. Kingmaker? Well, no King, sorry. How dare you? The fact that one, under the leadership of Matt and Mercedes Schlapp, that something like a persecution event, that was not really the tone nor the focus, emphasis of a CPAC years gone by. But now when you start to see something like this.
SPEAKER 08 :
CPAC has been expanding the focus areas of the events. I mean, they have an event next week in Florida. I think it's at Mar-a-Lago. And that one is going to be focusing much more on U.S. So you've got these different areas that they can then organize. Even our European team gets involved in their events. So Greg Orr has participated in CPAC events overseas since Matt and Mercedes really started leading the organization. And I wanted to note, this dates back all the way to our trip in the summer when we were at the U.S. consulate. When Ambassador Kushner visits Strasbourg in the consulate on Monday, Gregor will be there to present how this consulate could be doing more, working with the embassy in Paris and Ambassador Kushner. By the way, for that to happen under, that's never happened before. ECLJ, because typically that consulate under Republican, Democrat has been run by careerists in the State Department who don't love conservatives. So they just kind of ignore that you're there.
SPEAKER 07 :
And in Europe also, when you start talking about that, the conservative is very different than the conservative in America also. And I think people have always needed to kind of know that.
SPEAKER 08 :
Of course, it's different. But this is about as Americans talking to Americans, then Gregor saying, as America, this is what you could be doing through this consulate. Don't look at this consulate as a passports and a baby was born or a death certificate. Look at this as a place that has a, you have a seat at the table at the Council of Europe and you can be utilizing it, Russia's out. So you are the superpower that's there, even though you don't have a vote. If they know your position and they rely on the U.S., and right now they're not getting enough attention from that, so he's going to be with Ambassador Kushner. That came from being there in May and June. So you see how, again, this work is all starting to tie together in a world that is fairly interconnected these days. It's a small world.
SPEAKER 04 :
Well, and when you also think about the fact that the ACLJ started that office decades ago, that this has not been a short-term journey for the ACLJ, that is one of the reasons why, when there is a panel with CPAC, that it is in partnership with the ACLJ, because we understand this persecution issue, some of the best in the country, and have fought for this to end persecution for so long.
SPEAKER 08 :
I think that's the key, too.
SPEAKER 04 :
As well as the ACLJ. Successful strategies.
SPEAKER 08 :
What is success when you're talking about persecution? It can be so overwhelming. So how do you focus in on it? What does the US do as a government? What do private nonprofit organizations, how do they assist? And one of the issues we're looking at is it's on immigration. It's with the asylums. There's so many people in the asylum line who should not be. We need a process that identifies those people much quicker so that those who are fleeing because of religious persecution, Those are people we wanted to grant asylum, if appropriate, in our country, if they meet the standards. And right now, those people are like way behind in line because so many people started saying, well, if you lived near cartel violence, you could be seeking asylum. And somehow, and in those cases, Logan, are backlogged three to five years. So right there. We've got a lot of persecuted people who could successfully flee but don't have a place to call home. And America, that is what our country is supposed to be, is that place for the persecuted to be able to come to. And they should be at the front of the line. It's why the asylum process is completely different from the immigration process.
SPEAKER 07 :
All right, and with that, we only got, that's what the work of the ACLJ is doing. All year long, it is constant. It's consistent. Like I said, we never shut down. It is 365 days a year, and it is not just our work here doing. You may be brand new. I know thousands of people joined us yesterday who have never seen us before. Try a thousand of you join us right now who have never seen us before. I want to encourage you, if you've never seen us before, subscribe to this channel because you're going to learn very quickly the ACLJ and the work we do here at Seculo goes well beyond the walls of this studio. Of course, we are around the world with our legal work and our advocacy work All of that happens because people like you decide to support the work of the ACLJ. If you have a local station, you're hearing advertisers while they're on break, that money doesn't go to us. I started saying that because I want to make sure people know that. It goes to your network or to your local station. If you are watching on YouTube, it's a very minor amount of money that comes in through YouTube ad revenue. All of this happens. Because people like you give it, whether it's a $25 level, a $50 level, whatever it may be, one time or as an ACLJ champion that gives monthly at ACLJ.org. We also got that new petition up right now for Christian persecution. Go to ACLJ.org slash sign. Last segment of the day. We do have some phone lines open, so if you want to be on the air at 1-800-684-3110. Of course, a lot of you talking about the government shutdown, and there's a lot of other news happening as well. We'll continue to cover that throughout the week as well as tell you about the amazing work here at the ACLJ. Is the government shutdown affecting you? I want you to call in. Let me know. 1-800-684-3110. Also, seems like the news of the day can't get enough, of course, of the big New York mayoral election, which is just about a week away, right? Well, a week and a half, two weeks.
SPEAKER 04 :
That's right. Yeah, next Tuesday.
SPEAKER 07 :
Yeah, so I mean, we'll see how things shake out. I mean, obviously, there's a lot of concern coming in from people whether Mondani will pull this off. It certainly looks like it. He drew thousands of people, not as big as they thought, actually, were going to show up. And there are some internal polls showing Cuomo coming up. There are also some polls coming up that said, hey, the young people aren't getting out quite as much as they thought they were. compared to the primary. There was a lot of feedback at the primary, and now people, they're getting concerned that they think it's going to be an easy win. And in New York, that could get swayed very quickly.
SPEAKER 08 :
Yeah, I mean, so many people. So really, which area shows up more can sway the entire mayor's race. And also, I think some of those young people, what I'm hoping is that they have been kind of listening to a lot of their employers who have said, listen, if this guy gets elected, we're out. And that means that the city that you love living in and maybe you've got this great job in, you may be having to relocate too. So you might be rethinking if you work in the industries that he's kind of demonized about, you know, it's one thing to vote in a primary. It's different to vote for the actual person to actually run the city. And you might be rethinking that. And again, I'm trying to put my mind into the mind of a voter who even voted for him in a primary. It's tough for me to do. I think that there's still time for a surprise there. I think if the election were today, it's probably him because it's a three-way race. And it doesn't look like Sliwa is going to step aside.
SPEAKER 07 :
Anything it's timed.
SPEAKER 04 :
Well, here's the deal. And they always do. A new poll came out that previously had Cuomo down 20 points to Mamdani. Now Mamdani is up 44 to 34 over Cuomo. So 10 points with Curtis Sliwa holding 11% of the vote. You don't, you don't know if it's a one for one, if people just are like, if he's out, I'm just not going to vote, but it is a very close race and it would be even closer if it were a head to head race instead of it being a three-way race.
SPEAKER 07 :
Sadly, Sliwa seems like he's not going anywhere. It seems like he has put, dug his heels in sand is not going to be doing it. Now it's whether people listen to it and say, It's time to get behind Cuomo or not. Of course, it's shocking to say that, but Cuomo is running independent. I heard him last night. He goes, they said, are you still a Democrat? And he said, yeah, I'm a Democrat on the independent line because they're not Democrats. Right. They, the ones who he's a, he's a, you know, you've been, which said a socialist on the democratic line who got to be the nominee, but I'm the real Democrat here. Of course, that is not exactly who you want as a part of a lot of our listeners. But if you compare the difference, would you rather have a traditional Democrat candidate are a socialist, I think that line is pretty clear. Now, that 10-point swing, you had Mondami yesterday. He was on The Daily Show with Jon Stewart saying, hey, endorsements don't win elections anymore because you had Eric Adams come out and support Cuomo. Well, it clearly affected the polls.
SPEAKER 04 :
Right. Well, and I also think it's interesting because we've been talking about the shutdown in that race and the Speaker of the House, Mike Johnson, today in his presser, giving the update on this 28th day of the shutdown, actually tied the two things together about the fear of the base that the leadership in Washington have. And they're seeing that in the rise of candidates like the mayoral candidate in New York. So Let's go ahead and listen to bite four, because I think it ties these two issues together about what the speaker of the House sees as the fear of the Democrats in Washington of their more left base. Bite four.
SPEAKER 01 :
This is motivated purely out of fear. And what do we mean by that? You saw the Democratic leader in the House, Hakeem Jeffries, endorse Zoran Mamdani for mayor of New York City on Friday. It was it was an illustration of what we're facing here. The Democrats right now fear the far left activists more than they fear air traffic controllers, border patrol agents, American service members, and so many others missing their paychecks. They fear the Marxist insurgents like Mondani more than they fear families and children going hungry from lapsed benefits that keep food on their tables. They simply fear losing their own political positions next November. if they don't appease the angry far left base right now.
SPEAKER 04 :
And I think he's spot on with that. And even the fact he brings up that the issues with the food benefits, the food assistance that people need and rely on, it's 40 million people, that the Democrats in that party are saying that they're holding out for these Obamacare subsidies they want to negotiate. When there are people that are relying on government assistance, let's take out the paychecks of workers, people that need this to eat to survive. They are more concerned about the subsidies that they have, this hypothetical about people's rates going up and how badly it's going to impact Americans.
SPEAKER 07 :
when right now people are going to be going hungry because of what the democrats are doing being beholden to their base in their uh you like these wonderful policies they think that they can get out of this you know what there's some comments coming in cool people who are just joining us right now three minutes before the show's over and they're going oh this is clickbait y'all aren't even talking about the main head the main story you said you wanted to because obviously our headline was specifically about the bank unions uh saying it's time to end the shutdown we Maybe over the next year. We spent about a half an hour talking about that 45 minutes. You can go back. Will, why don't you give us a one-minute version of that? And while we give that one-minute version, I'm going to ask you, everyone in the comments, to tell me... We've spent an hour and a half the last two days. Tell me where you're watching from in the comments while Will gives this one-minute explanation to those clickbait haters in the comments.
SPEAKER 04 :
So what we see now is on the heels of the largest union representing federal workers yesterday said that Democrats need to jump on board with the clean continuing resolution and get the government back open. Now, the largest lobby for banks. So an organization representing 95 percent of the banks in this country are calling for the exact same same. It's time for this game to end. Get people back to work, get them paid and reopen the government and negotiate your policy differences later. So two big interest group putting pressure on the Democrats to vote for what they have voted against now 13 times.
SPEAKER 08 :
Here's why, just to kind of break this down for people. So on Tuesday, so today, air traffic controllers are missing their first payday. Friday, the military is set to miss its first full payday. I know they're trying to figure that out, so maybe that won't actually happen. Then Saturday is when the food subsidy programs would lose funding as well. So the federal nutrition benefits, SNAP programs, things like that. So that program alone is big for the left. And the reason why the people aren't getting their SNAP benefits to be able to buy food for their family is because of the people they usually vote for, the Democrats. And I think that's why Donald Trump is not taking the heat on this at all, or Republicans. Yeah, look, I'm looking at all the comments. But it's going to start, you know, this starts now.
SPEAKER 07 :
The people that watch our show represent the entire country, if not the world. Yesterday we had callers from Australia. We had people call in from, we had a comment from Antarctica. And the guy was walking, he was like, base in Antarctica. I think he was telling the truth. He said he's the only thing he had to do.
SPEAKER 08 :
A lot of federal employees.
SPEAKER 07 :
But we're seeing these comments come in. That's why I always like to ask where you're watching from. Because I know, because of how broad our show is, and a lot of shows do this, do this nationwide footprint. worldwide footprint. We're able to get advice, opinions, thoughts coming in from literally every tip of the world. I'm seeing it come in. It's crazy. Every bit of the country in parts of the entire world are chiming in right now. And because of you, we're able to have this broadcast. And because of you, we're able to impact the world, impact the laws, impact politics, everything. Because people like you support the work of the ACLJ. We got a new petition right now about a pastor who is imprisoned, a persecuted pastor in China. I want you to be a part of it right now. He's arrested for his faith on day 18 of being detained in a prison. Be a part of helping get him free, as well as all the other incredible work of the ACLJ at aclj.org today. Again, that's aclj.org. If you want to sign that petition, talk to you tomorrow.
Just a day after the largest government-employee union called on the Democrat leaders in Congress to end the government shutdown, banks and credit unions are applying the same pressure. The Sekulow team discusses the economic fallout of the government shutdown, the ongoing fight between the Democrat and Republican leaders in Congress (e.g., Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer and Speaker of the House Mike Johnson), how the Trump Administration is handling the shutdown, the ACLJ’s legal work – and much more.
SPEAKER 07 :
We got breaking news. Another domino falls as the major banks pressure the Democrats to end the shutdown.
SPEAKER 05 :
Keeping you informed and engaged now more than ever. This is Sekulow. We want to hear from you. Share and post your comments or call 1-800-684-3110. And now your host, Logan Sekulow.
SPEAKER 07 :
Welcome to Sekulow. Once again, we're talking the government shutdown as because the pressure points are on again. Yesterday, we talked about the pressures from the union. And today, the pressure is coming from the banks. That's right. You may have logged in even to your bank account. We actually had someone called in yesterday, said they were having problems with that. You logged in and you see a, Hey, are you affected by the government shutdown? We're here to help. Uh, you know, the government may not help you with the big banks. Well, where they're saying, Hey, we can only do that for so long. So you know what? It's time to end this shutdown. We're happy to help the American people when you won't. However, eventually, uh, That time will run out, Will, and that is what they're saying. And of course, the pressure's on. And now you're starting to have a little bit more closed door meetings. Things are starting to happen in the democratic world saying, hey, how do we actually draw this to an end? Because if we lose the unions and then we lose the banks, you know, it's going to get tough and tough.
SPEAKER 04 :
That's right. So the American Bankers Association, which is kind of the lobby association for the banking industry, they both have big banks and small banks, but they cover about 95 percent of all banks in the U.S. are members of this association. And they are putting out a statement now today that echoes very much what we saw from the Federal Workers Employee Union yesterday, which calls for a clean, continuing resolution and to resolve their policy differences when the government is open and functioning. So now you're starting to see pressure from two powerful groups, both the Federal Employees Union that we talked about yesterday and now the banking industry. Because when you also start to think about the pressure that can get put on these banks, they are helping individuals at this time. But if it keeps going on and people can't pay their bills, that could start to spark a different kind of financial crisis.
SPEAKER 07 :
I don't know how the banks actually work and the way money is moved around. It's not necessarily as clean as most people probably think. Your money's not sitting in a vault somewhere ready to go. However, the way they invest, the way they work, of course, they have some paused where they can help you out, just like they've done during some of the times of economic issues. However, that can wear thin when you start heading into historically long shutdowns.
SPEAKER 08 :
If you logged in to your bank account, checking account, kind of right when the shutdown began or a couple days later, many banks, it's your checking account, not your credit card accounts necessarily. Some of those do too. Yeah. But your bank actually says, if you're going to experience hardship because of payments being delayed or your salary being delayed, contact us. Now, I think why the banks now are moving on it is maybe they can do that for around a paycheck or two. But if they're starting to cover two months of paychecks, and that means people's mortgage payments and car payments and much bigger bills than just what they talk about is like the essentials, like the monthly stuff, that then puts strain on the banking system. Right. For all these federal employees who are not getting paid. So the banks actually step up in this scenario, do the right thing, but they really are doing it for this offering for what they can do as a temporary time. When it starts extending into payment number two and month number two and mortgage payment two. Yeah. Car payment too. That puts a lot of strain on the banking industry. And guess who that starts affecting then? Not just us, not just the people who aren't getting paid. It starts affecting all of us, right? Because your bank is under pressure as well. So I think with the unions saying, move on, Democrats, you don't have the votes. You're hurting government employees who, by the way, are 99.9% voting for you. So please ensure that they get their payment and fight your battles another day.
SPEAKER 07 :
And they made a very similar statement to the one yesterday coming from the other union, from the Government Employees Union, saying, We urge lawmakers to pass a clean, continuing resolution and resolve their policy differences with the government open and functioning. I mean, it's almost word for word what the Employees Union said yesterday, the Government Employees Union. So we know the pressure's on. Will the pressure matter? I want to hear from you. 1-800-684-3110. 1-800-684-3110. We also know that there is a big push for Christian persecution around the world. We're going to talk about that coming up because, man, it is a tough time in a lot of areas of the world. That's why the ACLJ exists well beyond the borders of America with our European Center, with our offices in Jerusalem and other places, some we can and some we can't even talk about. We'll discuss that coming up. We'll be right back. Welcome back to Seculo. There's a lot of you who are just joining us right now, so I think we need to restate what's going on. We have had another big break, if you will, a fracture with what historically would have been, of course, yesterday we talked about what would have been undemocraticalized, which was, of course, that the American, essentially the government workers union said, you know what? Time to pass a clean continuing resolution. Let's get this done right now. and people are hurting and like I told you I'm seeing it now in real places not Washington D.C. not that there's not real people in Washington D.C. but when you walk into your local drugstore and you can tell they're starting to feel the pressure and they're starting to get very frustrated and again like I said though in not necessarily because it's democrat talking points when you start saying hey quit focusing on the ballroom and start focusing on american people we know the facts and how that all works but the visuals are not good and of course that is one of the democrat talking points i saw that in that article you sent me earlier today where they said you know we need to stop worrying about ballrooms and start worrying about getting the american people back to work of course they don't talk about how all of that's being funded and doesn't honestly really matter at this point because now you've had another big break which is the banks and the credit unions have said it's time. It is time to wrap this up. We have been helping out our customers. We've been doing the right thing while the government's doing the wrong thing. We have been good to our customers, which, you know, good for them for having some good customer service and actually being loyal to their customers. But you know what? That can only go on for so long. We got to get this done because they've been giving people delays. They've been giving people advances. They've been working a lot. Like Jordan said, if you log into your bank account, largely you have seen some sort of, if this affects you, we're here to help.
SPEAKER 08 :
Just like if there's a storm. It's much like if you're one of the people affected by a hurricane or something like that.
SPEAKER 07 :
I'm in North Carolina last year.
SPEAKER 08 :
Yes, you'll see it. And again, for most of the people, they just kind of put it up there too. They're not sure who may have a home there or families there that you might be dealing with. And they're here to help. And so I think what the banks are saying is we are helping. But at a point, our help becomes difficult for our bottom line because it's one thing to cover a couple weeks of payments, a month of payments. But then if we're going to look into two months of payments, then it starts affecting not just the people who need the help from the bank, but everyone who utilizes the bank. And you don't want a banking crisis on top of it.
SPEAKER 07 :
And what I've seen now with even like a Fox business, I was listening to Fox business yesterday and they were like, Hey, but the economy is thriving, but the stock market's through the roof. So is it really hurting anybody? And the answer to that is yes, it is. It's starting to really hurt people. I'm sorry. It may not be hurting you, the Fox business viewers much, but it is hurting real people and you're seeing it.
SPEAKER 08 :
No, I mean, we know the Fox Business Viewer is typically someone who is at a point in life where they are making serious investments.
SPEAKER 07 :
They are watching Fox Business.
SPEAKER 08 :
Yeah, and following the market more than just regular news per day. So that's not the government employee who hasn't gotten their paycheck. We're living paycheck to paycheck. Like definitely. And, you know, it's because they do get great benefits. They're great retirement benefits, too, when you put your 20 years in. But these are those things they do have to weather. They've weathered them before and stayed with this position. I think what it says is we can have a discussion about the size of our government. But when our private banks step up and do the right thing, which is a great thing about America, I think, and our companies. They'll do it. Capitalism. They'll do it, but they will say, hey, guess what? Like, we can't do this forever.
SPEAKER 04 :
Well, and Jordan, I think another important point to showcase here is that this isn't just like Wells Fargo or Bank of America making an independent statement. It's the lobby. And the two things that we've been calling out is one of the big things is, oh, you know, Congress is still getting paid during all this. But what's interesting is when you have a large union that represents federal workers, that is very large. Not only is it a lot of these members of Congress constituents, but the unions end up making financial contributions to to members of congress in different races as well as this is the lobby for the bank so it represents the interest of all of those big banks and little banks across the board if they start getting pushback where then some of these members of congress who sometimes only are worried about a two-year cycle or a six-year cycle of getting re-elected And then they're concerned about getting campaign contributions because they held up this government being open. That starts to speak a little differently. And you even hear it from the number two leader in the Senate. This is Dick Durbin, who is retiring from his Senate career, however, still has a lot of power right now.
SPEAKER 08 :
And can speak his mind because of that.
SPEAKER 04 :
And this is what he said to Politico about the union statement yesterday. It said that Politico writes the union's plea forced many Democratic lawmakers into a defensive crouch. Their number two Senate leader said it would be subject of internal conversations this week with bipartisan talks all but ground to a halt. Quote, it has a lot of impact. They've been our friends. and that Democrats take them seriously, talking about the Federal Workers Union that we talked about yesterday. So even these public statements is starting to show a different side of the leadership of the Democrat Party in the Senate, even as on this 28th day of shutdown, the Senate is currently voting for, the vote should be over soon, we'll know, it's expected to fail. But today, right now, they are voting for the 13th time to pass the very same clean resolution that the union for the workers and this bank lobby is calling for congress to pass to end this shutdown so it hasn't necessarily changed it yet but you're already starting to hear different talk from the leadership on the democrat side which could really start to change
SPEAKER 07 :
13th attempt and the vote just failed. That is getting to the point of... Did it fail by the exact same number?
SPEAKER 08 :
Did any movement changes? We'll find out.
SPEAKER 04 :
As of right now, there were three Democrats. It was Senator Cortez Masto, Senator John Fetterman, and Angus King from Maine, who's an independent of the caucuses with the Democrats, were the only three that were voting with Republicans to move it forward.
SPEAKER 07 :
But a great name.
SPEAKER 04 :
Angus King. The latest vote I saw was unanimous from Republicans. And that's where they only needed five Democrats to move this forward.
SPEAKER 08 :
We'll look at that and see if there's anybody. Certainly with this pressure, I would imagine they could go back to the drawing board and say, you know, I don't know if we can survive this another week. Because interesting with this shutdown is Donald Trump has continued to do his work around the world. Peacemaking around the world, going nonstop. And they're in Washington and it's their fault that people aren't getting paid while he's doing everything he can to figure out how to pay our troops. We've seen that. And you know what they're saying? I don't know if that's legal. They want to challenge that. That someone donating paychecks for our military. Anonymously, of course, they were named, but anonymously, just to make sure our men and women in service are getting their paycheck, which mostly... if they're serving abroad, goes home to their families.
SPEAKER 04 :
Jordan, I want to get your take on this strategically for the Democrats. I know you don't want to give them any tips here because of what's going on, but you have some interesting moves here because on November 1st is what the Democrats were originally trying to hold out for. Yeah. Because that's when open enrollment for the Obamacare program comes up. They were hoping that Americans that saw a different price, they would be upset. And then that would give them more pressure on the Republicans to make a deal. You also have those elections coming up. The New York mayoral race. You have the governor of Virginia race and the governor of New Jersey also coming up in the next week. Do you think that we're already starting to hear some change in tune from people like Dick Durbin? Do you think that the Democrats need to wait until like Wednesday of next week to show they didn't cave before pivotal elections as well as that one benchmark? Or do you think this could be done as soon as this week?
SPEAKER 08 :
I think it depends on what the polls are showing in those pivotal elections, too. Is this really helping those candidates at all? Is it hurting those candidates or is it a nothing? Or could it actually depress the vote where it may be hard to poll, but people won't be as excited about those elections because it looks like, hey, putting more Democrats in to work with this administration right now or this Congress or running my state or city doesn't seem like it's going to be a great decision for me. So is it worth it? waiting in line on these off-year elections and getting out the vote. The other risk they're taking is that the insurance market's open and they're not double. You know, they are making, they are taking a chance that the, and again, this privatized market and they oversell how many people are in that. Most people do not get their insurance through the affordable care act. Right.
SPEAKER 07 :
Most people are still from their employer.
SPEAKER 04 :
It's either their employer or through the Medicaid program, which is run and administered by your state.
SPEAKER 08 :
After your retirement age, through your employer, through a husband, through a wife, some military service, something. This is for that group of people that aren't covered that way and who go into these exchanges. They're putting a lot on that group. I think it was like 30 million people, somewhere around that. in a country of 380 million.
SPEAKER 07 :
When we have about a minute and a half here I want to pivot real quick because tomorrow we're going to have a big thing happening in Washington D.C. and I want you to take a minute to talk about that because next segment we got Rick Grinnell joining us.
SPEAKER 08 :
Yeah so we are working with CPAC and we're co-sponsoring a summit on religious liberty in the United States and religious persecution worldwide so we kick off with actually a round table at the White House tomorrow with their faith office that some of us from the ACLJ will be obviously attending to kind of talk about, okay, the administration has done great work on its own. How do we codify it? How do we codify the IRS not going after churches for speaking their mind on politics? If you go to your pastor on everything but politics, it's kind of bizarre, right? That you can't even talk about local. Right now you can because of what President Trump's done by executive order. But what happens if there's a change? Well, it's not codified yet. The abortion funding, things like that to Planned Parenthood, codifying. So the next step is President Trump did everything that Republicans always promised they would do. Now we need to make sure after in the next legislative battles, we get it codified. So if we do that, then we have a reception tomorrow night at the Museum of the Bible and then an all day summit with leaders from the House, the Senate, as well as the executive branch.
SPEAKER 07 :
None of that happens without you. So I encourage you right now as we go to break, go to ACLJ.org, make a donation. If you can, we'll be right back with Rick Grinnell. Welcome back to Seculo. Phone lines are open at 1-800-684. And I want to hear from you. Do we have Rick yet? Are we still waiting? We're still waiting for Rick Grinnell. He'll be joining us in just a second. But I do want to encourage you to call in at 1-800-684-3110 because we'll be taking calls in the next few segments. Rick is joining us now. Make sure that we're good to go. Let me know, guys, when we are good. Waiting for the thumbs up. Good to go with Rick Grinnell. Rick, shock of the century. Gavin Newsom says, you know what? I'd be lying if I said, I can't lie. I cannot tell a lie like George Washington. I would be lying if I said I'm not eyeing a presidential bid. I mean, we are all stunned.
SPEAKER 03 :
look we it wasn't that long ago where he said that he was not running right so he's not running and now he's not lying that he is running uh look this guy's a robot everybody in california knows that he doesn't work in swing states he doesn't work in communities that are thoughtful uh let's let's be honest i hope he runs because he will implode in pennsylvania ohio wisconsin and michigan Swing states are not going for this guy. He barely works in far left areas of San Francisco. And even now, his reputation is running thin. He's trying to overturn the census and the bipartisan commission that has created our congressional districts in California. And he's trying to overturn them by claiming that somehow Donald Trump did something nefarious or that Republicans need to have a lesson learned from their their work in Texas. I mean, it's all such a blur, but he's got people like Tom Steyer melting down, going on television with their own commercials, screaming about what's happening. I mean, it's a true chaotic situation here in California, but hopefully people are recognizing that we've got to stop his manipulation, vote no on Prop 50, and highlight all of the failures that he has in case he runs for president.
SPEAKER 04 :
Rick, I'm glad you are able to join us today because I know you were up late watching the Dodgers last night win in an 18-inning game.
SPEAKER 08 :
We did a full 18. I was there. I felt like I was there. By the end of it, I didn't know. You were hallucinating.
SPEAKER 04 :
But you mentioned that. I mean, they were obviously running ads in California during the Dodgers game, which was getting a lot of views because of the location of the winning team last night. And just the fact that they're trying to utilize that World Series as a platform to move forward with Prop 50, what you've already mentioned. And you couple that with the work he's doing there and even in his – interview where he you know alluded to that he will consider it after 2026 whether or not to run he also is is trying to paint this picture of him of this like working class person who you know pulled himself up by his bootstraps and that you know that they got to where they are because of hustle you know just like everyone that starts their own vineyard at 25 years old i mean that's that's a very common thing uh but But I mean, just how is it? It seems like everything he does is trying to paint with revisionist history, whether it be his own history or even why California has that independent districting council. Even if it's not perfect, it's definitely not what he's doing now. But no matter what he says, it's always trying to obfuscate what the reality is.
SPEAKER 03 :
Well, two points here. We're talking about baseball, so we should talk about one of the big scandals for Gavin Newsom in that he said that he went to college on a baseball scholarship. He repeated that story for a very long time. He then said that he was recruited to go into the major leagues. None of that is true. He didn't do that. He didn't go to college on a baseball scholarship. He didn't play first base and almost go into the major leagues. He loves to tell these types of stories uh in a crowd of course he's using his hands the whole time like a robot but the reality is is that the media in california they don't challenge him so he gets away with it sacramento is completely controlled by the democrats all of our cities in california are controlled by democratic mayors all of the big cities and so we really do have a very serious situation where this is all left comfortable world and he's comfortable telling lies in his lefty world and no one challenges him. He is going to be just like Kamala. When you leave the comforts of San Francisco and Sacramento and you go to Washington DC or you go on the campaign trail, you immediately get challenged in your crazy radical thoughts. And you don't know how to defend them because you've never had to defend them. And so you implode on the national stage. And that's exactly what's going to happen to Gavin Newsom. I really do hope that the Democrats put him up because it'll be a nasty fall from grace.
SPEAKER 08 :
One thing he's done, Rick, which I thought just from the political side, which is interesting, I wanted your kind of comment on too, is in the last really six months as he's played this game of reaching out more to conservatives and going on Fox, going on other podcasts, and even on his own podcast, and kind of saying, you know, we can have these conversations, we can laugh, we can joke about it. But I think, you know, don't believe the wolf in sheep's clothing here. I mean, this is, again, you kind of see it in the smile, but He is a hard left operator, like you said, and he thinks strategically that's just a good look right now. I mean, that's how I interpret it. See, I can sit down and smile with these people. We can have a discussion. At the end of the day, he's not going to listen to any of those people for policy. He's going to totally exclude them from any kind of process if he ever got to that level of power.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah, people should not be fooled by this guy. I think he's reinvented himself through podcasts four or five times, renaming the podcast, coming up with a new gimmick. If it doesn't work, he just literally comes up with something new. And this is my point. He's not going to be able to get away with that when he goes on the national stage, when he goes to other states. They're going to call him out for it, and the public is going to be educated. Here in California, the LA Times, the San Francisco Chronicle, The Union Tribune in San Diego, they're all lefty papers. All of the TV stations are far left radical. And so he gets away with it because no one is challenging him. Again, it's just like how Kamala Harris went to Washington and climbed her way into the national spotlight and then imploded because as soon as she was tested, as soon as she had a little pushback, she didn't know how to defend any of these ideas. Gavin is going to be the same way. Watch him. He'll lose his cool. He'll mock the other side for being some sort of radical Nazi group. But he does not know how to defend these issues. He's not that smart. He is just super calculating and always going to reinvent himself and hope for you to not notice.
SPEAKER 07 :
Rick, I appreciate you chiming in. Of course, it's a big week as a lot of people are starting to talk about 2028. A little bit early for me to feel like we need to be talking about it. But of course, we're never outside of an election year. It feels like now. It's always election time in America. So we appreciate you chiming in and letting us know how things are out there in California. With that, we're going to head to break. We appreciate it. We have a one-minute break coming up. And if you get us on SiriusXM, on YouTube, on Rumble, on the Salem News Channel, All those places, we got a full hour coming up for you. So a whole nother half hour. Some of your local radio stations only carry the first half hour. Make sure you join us live each and every day, 12 to 1 p.m. And of course, this is later on. That's on Eastern time. If this is later on, you can always find us archived. However, get your podcast, of course, aclj.org. or the ACLJ app. The phone lines are open for you. We're going to reset a bit in the next segment. We are going to talk about some of the work that Jordan's going to be doing in Washington, D.C. Of course, we are going to hear from you at 1-800-684-3110. We are still also continuing our battle against Christian persecution, not just here in America, the real kind of persecution that's happening all around the world, whether that is pastors that have been imprisoned throughout the world, including in China. We have a pastor we've been working with, a new situation. We'll brief you on that coming up. And look, we've fought successfully for persecuted pastors all over the world before. We're going to do it again. We're going to need your help to get success here. It's always what happens. You got to bring media attention and you got to bring legal attention. OK, so sign a petition. We got a brand new petition at ACLJ.org. You can find out a lot more information. Be right back in less than a minute.
SPEAKER 05 :
Keeping you informed and engaged now more than ever. This is Sekulow. And now your host, Logan Sekulow.
SPEAKER 07 :
Second half hour of Sekulow coming up. Of course, we were talking about a lot of different topics, but one of the main ones is that the banks and the credit unions are saying, hey, it is time to end this shutdown. And we got a call coming in. I want to take it right off the top. A couple lines are open at 1-800-684-3110. Nancy's calling from Texas with a very specific question I know a lot of you had. Nancy, go ahead.
SPEAKER 02 :
Yes, I would like to know if we the people have the ability to have a say in this. Is there an address or a phone number that we could contact to try to sway some of these Democrats?
SPEAKER 07 :
Yeah, Nancy, I think one of the things also is just to figure out who we're talking about here. Who is actually on that list that could be swayed? A lot of them are, you know, they're going to make the decision based on are they going to get reelected? Are they going to make their constituents happy? And a lot of times right now, being bipartisan does not do that for a lot of these people. So, Will, though, who's on that line?
SPEAKER 04 :
Well, I think you have to start looking at it, one, where there's a lot of federal workers. So you think about Virginia and Maryland, where you have Tim Kaine, Mark Warner, Chris Van Hollen and Angela also Brooks. And then you also think about Chuck Schumer. He actually angered a lot of people in his party. for voting for a CR a year ago, but he's one that has continuously done that. If he feels like the party needs to change direction, Chuck Schumer could change that. You hear Dick Durbin starting to change his mind to some degree and say, you know, we have to take it seriously. And also he's on his way out. He doesn't have to fear the pushback or retribution of his voters if That's something that he'd be afraid of. So I think you kind of start at it there. I mean, they need five, and I've just listed six, the two from Maryland, the two from Virginia, Chuck Schumer and Dick Durbin. And then that's a place that I feel like the Republicans could start, especially when you look at people that are in leadership. that don't want to completely tank their party or their chances in the midterms. You also look at maybe some senators that have races coming up in 2026 that could feel vulnerable if all of a sudden their party is being blamed for this. That's probably the angles that either the Republicans or people that are trying to convince people would start looking.
SPEAKER 08 :
Yeah, I agree. I think that you could be strategic about this. We don't have to just call through every Democrat. Think about where are their federal employees? And they're kind of located, of course, across the country. But where are the hubs? Like Will said, you've got Northern Virginia, Maryland, that hub there. Some in Delaware maybe as well. Yeah, some in Delaware. And then if you've got kind of a senator who plays moderate that's a Democrat, they may be worth... willing to call, especially if they're in your state. They really like calls from people who are their actual constituents. Those calls get bumped up on the list. How many did we get from our actual state to the senator? And then they will look at the total calls, but how many did we get from Pennsylvania or Texas? In your case, Texas, you've got two senators who are voting to keep the government open with Ted Cruz and John Cornett. So that's not an issue for you there. So again, look to who tries to play that moderate game. You don't need to be calling the radical left and put the pressure there.
SPEAKER 07 :
Does it matter if they're not in their voting group? You know what I mean? So Nancy starts calling someone in Delaware. Is that going to matter? Yeah.
SPEAKER 08 :
You don't really need to get into politics with them. Just say, listen, it's hurting too many people. You could say something like, it's hurting family and friends who are federal government employees because they don't know when they're going to get their next paycheck, and I'm trying to help them out, so now it's hurting me. And I think that actually works when you're talking to their staff, whether you live in that state or not.
SPEAKER 07 :
By the way, they have these phone numbers for a reason. And this is one of those reasons. So, yes, they may be annoyed by you, but they also have to have these. They're supposed to be doing it.
SPEAKER 08 :
They keep track of every call that comes in from the outside on what the issue is about and what the person is asking the senator to do.
SPEAKER 07 :
Yep. So, I mean, know that it does make an impact. It really can. With that, we're going to head into the next segment. And we've got four lines open, so great time to call in. And we're going to discuss a lot of the work of the ACLJ. We've got a packed couple days coming at you. And, of course, our office in Washington, D.C. is expanding, as well as our media headquarters. And we are around the world right now here at the ACLJ, fighting for religious freedom, Christian persecution around the world. We want you to be a part of that journey as well. So, I'm going to encourage you as we head to the end of October right now. Think about supporting the work of the ACLJ. And of course, November and December, big months. That's the time we're really going to be talking to you about all the different ways that you can support the ACLJ and get creative with that. Because look, the media and the legal side is just heating up. We never shut down, not even on Christmas. Okay? So go to ACLJ.org right now, make your donation. We'll be right back with your calls and comments. Welcome back to Seculo. Phone lines are completely open, by the way. I think we lost some during the break there. So if you ever want to be on the air, this is a great time to do it. But Jordan, I wanted you to talk about what's going on in Washington, D.C. Because as the office has kind of re-evolved and changed, we've had so much growth and change going on in Washington, D.C. And of course, every time there is a new president, every time there is a new group, things have to kind of be adjusted in Washington, D.C. Because you're talking to a very different person.
SPEAKER 08 :
uh you know house senate and of course uh presidency and the supreme court and all different it all changes every time an administration shifts so we brought in a much more experienced government affairs team that we're building out now uh through um uh both me and don parsons have been working on this who's a senior counsel with us here at aclj for uh a year to bring in the right person he's been on the broadcast now uh and he again has got you know over 20 years experience on Capitol Hill and building out his team, ACLJ Action, which is doing a lot of work right now, even through the shutdown, expanding where the ACLJ goes, which also then for you, the supporter of the ACLJ, these bigger kind of corporations and companies and individuals in D.C. realize the strength and also the skills, right? that we provide at the ACLJ, the knowledge that we have to be able to walk through these complicated legal issues and policy issues as well. But I mean, just this week, we are partnering officially with CPAC, people know CPAC, on what is a very targeted event on ending Christian persecution and religious liberty in the United States. So kind of looking at the US and then looking around the world. And we start off at the White House tomorrow and their faith office, and it's kind of saying, what do we do with all the good that President Trump and the executive branch are doing? What do we do next? And I think the focus is, of course, is victories in the midterm elections, which can be very difficult, so that we can then begin to target and codify so many of these executive orders, which have been things promised. but never delivered by previous Republican presidents. And I can thank Speaker Johnson for that, too, getting the defunding of Planned Parenthood, things like that. Also, the protections for churches to be able to speak their minds on all issues, the IRS executive order. We have to work now, conscience protections, on... codifying that into law. It's hard to think about that during a shutdown when they can't even get the budget through, but groups like us can start thinking about that now and working through. So we start off that tomorrow morning, I think, right in the afternoon. Then we're hosting the reception for the event at the Museum of the Bible with members of Congress, with experts in kind of religious liberty, everyone coming together. I'm speaking at that along with Matt and Mercedes Schlapp, who people know from CPAC and American Conservative Union. And then switching there to the next day, we're hosting a summit. And I'm proud to say with four of our ACLJ folks, we'll be in it out of I think about six, seven panels. So I'm helping kick it off and helping kind of end it as a speaker, but I'm also moderating a panel that I think Ben Sisney is on, and then CeCe Howell's on a panel. Christy will be on a panel as well. And some are looking at international, some are looking at U.S. And so it's that line we've always talked about, Logan, which has gotten a little blurrier, something I'm going to be talking about there. we usually say that Christian persecution happens in, in other places around the world. And that here we, we face at most discrimination, but with what happened with the parents, you know, going to the, um, going to the school boards and then FBI showing up your door because Latin mass and all of those issues, you know, it's, it's creeping. At least the line is getting a little blur between, um, discrimination, which is bad enough in a country that defines freedom of religion in its first amendment. Uh, two i wouldn't say persecution yet you know you're not but also then what can our government be doing better to make sure that christians who should be protected in other countries that their governments are using the resources many times provided by the us i kind of look like nato like if we're going to provide you resources and treat you as an ally and you've got a christian community that makes up 40 or 50 percent of your population but you're not willing to use your military which we help train and fund to protect them from the radicals then you are failing as a leader and putting your funding from the U.S. in jeopardy. So that's how I look from the international side. And we're able to then spend six hours throughout a day getting into these issues and then coming forward in a unified way Because we know we've got a White House and administration, a Department of Justice, a Senate and House with leaders. I mean, I think about it, that we've been fighting with before they were even there. You think about Mike Johnson, you think about Ted Cruz, you think about, again, even President Trump, who has been willing to go there on the issues. They'd always talk about Republican candidates. Lord knows I worked for many of them. And then if they got there, it became the last thing on their agenda. And usually it was the first thing cut in a negotiation. The first thing they cut is the funding. Okay, we can't get you on defunding Planned Parenthood. We tried. We had to cut that out.
SPEAKER 04 :
What's an interesting thing to me here as well is that for those of you that have watched the ACLJ for a long time or followed the work of the organization, persecution around the world has been something we have had a unique opportunity to fight, whether it be our status at the UN, our offices around the world. When it comes to an event like CPAC, which is very high profile, people know CPAC in America. It has been a kingmaker for a very long time within Republican politics and conservative politics. Kingmaker? Well, no King, sorry. How dare you? The fact that one, under the leadership of Matt and Mercedes Schlapp, that something like a persecution event, that was not really the tone nor the focus, emphasis of a CPAC years gone by. But now when you start to see something like this.
SPEAKER 08 :
CPAC has been expanding the focus areas of the events. I mean, they have an event next week in Florida. I think it's at Mar-a-Lago. And that one is going to be focusing much more on U.S. So you've got these different areas that they can then organize. Even our European team gets involved in their events. So Greg Orr has participated in CPAC events overseas since Matt and Mercedes really started leading the organization. And I wanted to note, this dates back all the way to our trip in the summer when we were at the U.S. consulate. When Ambassador Kushner visits Strasbourg in the consulate on Monday, Gregor will be there to present how this consulate could be doing more, working with the embassy in Paris and Ambassador Kushner. By the way, for that to happen under, that's never happened before. ECLJ, because typically that consulate under Republican, Democrat has been run by careerists in the State Department who don't love conservatives. So they just kind of ignore that you're there.
SPEAKER 07 :
And in Europe also, when you start talking about that, the conservative is very different than the conservative in America also. And I think people have always needed to kind of know that.
SPEAKER 08 :
Of course, it's different. But this is about as Americans talking to Americans, then Gregor saying, as America, this is what you could be doing through this consulate. Don't look at this consulate as a passports and a baby was born or a death certificate. Look at this as a place that has a, you have a seat at the table at the Council of Europe and you can be utilizing it, Russia's out. So you are the superpower that's there, even though you don't have a vote. If they know your position and they rely on the U.S., and right now they're not getting enough attention from that, so he's going to be with Ambassador Kushner. That came from being there in May and June. So you see how, again, this work is all starting to tie together in a world that is fairly interconnected these days. It's a small world.
SPEAKER 04 :
Well, and when you also think about the fact that the ACLJ started that office decades ago, that this has not been a short-term journey for the ACLJ, that is one of the reasons why, when there is a panel with CPAC, that it is in partnership with the ACLJ, because we understand this persecution issue, some of the best in the country, and have fought for this to end persecution for so long.
SPEAKER 08 :
I think that's the key, too.
SPEAKER 04 :
As well as the ACLJ. Successful strategies.
SPEAKER 08 :
What is success when you're talking about persecution? It can be so overwhelming. So how do you focus in on it? What does the US do as a government? What do private nonprofit organizations, how do they assist? And one of the issues we're looking at is it's on immigration. It's with the asylums. There's so many people in the asylum line who should not be. We need a process that identifies those people much quicker so that those who are fleeing because of religious persecution, Those are people we wanted to grant asylum, if appropriate, in our country, if they meet the standards. And right now, those people are like way behind in line because so many people started saying, well, if you lived near cartel violence, you could be seeking asylum. And somehow, and in those cases, Logan, are backlogged three to five years. So right there. We've got a lot of persecuted people who could successfully flee but don't have a place to call home. And America, that is what our country is supposed to be, is that place for the persecuted to be able to come to. And they should be at the front of the line. It's why the asylum process is completely different from the immigration process.
SPEAKER 07 :
All right, and with that, we only got, that's what the work of the ACLJ is doing. All year long, it is constant. It's consistent. Like I said, we never shut down. It is 365 days a year, and it is not just our work here doing. You may be brand new. I know thousands of people joined us yesterday who have never seen us before. Try a thousand of you join us right now who have never seen us before. I want to encourage you, if you've never seen us before, subscribe to this channel because you're going to learn very quickly the ACLJ and the work we do here at Seculo goes well beyond the walls of this studio. Of course, we are around the world with our legal work and our advocacy work All of that happens because people like you decide to support the work of the ACLJ. If you have a local station, you're hearing advertisers while they're on break, that money doesn't go to us. I started saying that because I want to make sure people know that. It goes to your network or to your local station. If you are watching on YouTube, it's a very minor amount of money that comes in through YouTube ad revenue. All of this happens. Because people like you give it, whether it's a $25 level, a $50 level, whatever it may be, one time or as an ACLJ champion that gives monthly at ACLJ.org. We also got that new petition up right now for Christian persecution. Go to ACLJ.org slash sign. Last segment of the day. We do have some phone lines open, so if you want to be on the air at 1-800-684-3110. Of course, a lot of you talking about the government shutdown, and there's a lot of other news happening as well. We'll continue to cover that throughout the week as well as tell you about the amazing work here at the ACLJ. Is the government shutdown affecting you? I want you to call in. Let me know. 1-800-684-3110. Also, seems like the news of the day can't get enough, of course, of the big New York mayoral election, which is just about a week away, right? Well, a week and a half, two weeks.
SPEAKER 04 :
That's right. Yeah, next Tuesday.
SPEAKER 07 :
Yeah, so I mean, we'll see how things shake out. I mean, obviously, there's a lot of concern coming in from people whether Mondani will pull this off. It certainly looks like it. He drew thousands of people, not as big as they thought, actually, were going to show up. And there are some internal polls showing Cuomo coming up. There are also some polls coming up that said, hey, the young people aren't getting out quite as much as they thought they were. compared to the primary. There was a lot of feedback at the primary, and now people, they're getting concerned that they think it's going to be an easy win. And in New York, that could get swayed very quickly.
SPEAKER 08 :
Yeah, I mean, so many people. So really, which area shows up more can sway the entire mayor's race. And also, I think some of those young people, what I'm hoping is that they have been kind of listening to a lot of their employers who have said, listen, if this guy gets elected, we're out. And that means that the city that you love living in and maybe you've got this great job in, you may be having to relocate too. So you might be rethinking if you work in the industries that he's kind of demonized about, you know, it's one thing to vote in a primary. It's different to vote for the actual person to actually run the city. And you might be rethinking that. And again, I'm trying to put my mind into the mind of a voter who even voted for him in a primary. It's tough for me to do. I think that there's still time for a surprise there. I think if the election were today, it's probably him because it's a three-way race. And it doesn't look like Sliwa is going to step aside.
SPEAKER 07 :
Anything it's timed.
SPEAKER 04 :
Well, here's the deal. And they always do. A new poll came out that previously had Cuomo down 20 points to Mamdani. Now Mamdani is up 44 to 34 over Cuomo. So 10 points with Curtis Sliwa holding 11% of the vote. You don't, you don't know if it's a one for one, if people just are like, if he's out, I'm just not going to vote, but it is a very close race and it would be even closer if it were a head to head race instead of it being a three-way race.
SPEAKER 07 :
Sadly, Sliwa seems like he's not going anywhere. It seems like he has put, dug his heels in sand is not going to be doing it. Now it's whether people listen to it and say, It's time to get behind Cuomo or not. Of course, it's shocking to say that, but Cuomo is running independent. I heard him last night. He goes, they said, are you still a Democrat? And he said, yeah, I'm a Democrat on the independent line because they're not Democrats. Right. They, the ones who he's a, he's a, you know, you've been, which said a socialist on the democratic line who got to be the nominee, but I'm the real Democrat here. Of course, that is not exactly who you want as a part of a lot of our listeners. But if you compare the difference, would you rather have a traditional Democrat candidate are a socialist, I think that line is pretty clear. Now, that 10-point swing, you had Mondami yesterday. He was on The Daily Show with Jon Stewart saying, hey, endorsements don't win elections anymore because you had Eric Adams come out and support Cuomo. Well, it clearly affected the polls.
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Right. Well, and I also think it's interesting because we've been talking about the shutdown in that race and the Speaker of the House, Mike Johnson, today in his presser, giving the update on this 28th day of the shutdown, actually tied the two things together about the fear of the base that the leadership in Washington have. And they're seeing that in the rise of candidates like the mayoral candidate in New York. So Let's go ahead and listen to bite four, because I think it ties these two issues together about what the speaker of the House sees as the fear of the Democrats in Washington of their more left base. Bite four.
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This is motivated purely out of fear. And what do we mean by that? You saw the Democratic leader in the House, Hakeem Jeffries, endorse Zoran Mamdani for mayor of New York City on Friday. It was it was an illustration of what we're facing here. The Democrats right now fear the far left activists more than they fear air traffic controllers, border patrol agents, American service members, and so many others missing their paychecks. They fear the Marxist insurgents like Mondani more than they fear families and children going hungry from lapsed benefits that keep food on their tables. They simply fear losing their own political positions next November. if they don't appease the angry far left base right now.
SPEAKER 04 :
And I think he's spot on with that. And even the fact he brings up that the issues with the food benefits, the food assistance that people need and rely on, it's 40 million people, that the Democrats in that party are saying that they're holding out for these Obamacare subsidies they want to negotiate. When there are people that are relying on government assistance, let's take out the paychecks of workers, people that need this to eat to survive. They are more concerned about the subsidies that they have, this hypothetical about people's rates going up and how badly it's going to impact Americans.
SPEAKER 07 :
when right now people are going to be going hungry because of what the democrats are doing being beholden to their base in their uh you like these wonderful policies they think that they can get out of this you know what there's some comments coming in cool people who are just joining us right now three minutes before the show's over and they're going oh this is clickbait y'all aren't even talking about the main head the main story you said you wanted to because obviously our headline was specifically about the bank unions uh saying it's time to end the shutdown we Maybe over the next year. We spent about a half an hour talking about that 45 minutes. You can go back. Will, why don't you give us a one-minute version of that? And while we give that one-minute version, I'm going to ask you, everyone in the comments, to tell me... We've spent an hour and a half the last two days. Tell me where you're watching from in the comments while Will gives this one-minute explanation to those clickbait haters in the comments.
SPEAKER 04 :
So what we see now is on the heels of the largest union representing federal workers yesterday said that Democrats need to jump on board with the clean continuing resolution and get the government back open. Now, the largest lobby for banks. So an organization representing 95 percent of the banks in this country are calling for the exact same same. It's time for this game to end. Get people back to work, get them paid and reopen the government and negotiate your policy differences later. So two big interest group putting pressure on the Democrats to vote for what they have voted against now 13 times.
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Here's why, just to kind of break this down for people. So on Tuesday, so today, air traffic controllers are missing their first payday. Friday, the military is set to miss its first full payday. I know they're trying to figure that out, so maybe that won't actually happen. Then Saturday is when the food subsidy programs would lose funding as well. So the federal nutrition benefits, SNAP programs, things like that. So that program alone is big for the left. And the reason why the people aren't getting their SNAP benefits to be able to buy food for their family is because of the people they usually vote for, the Democrats. And I think that's why Donald Trump is not taking the heat on this at all, or Republicans. Yeah, look, I'm looking at all the comments. But it's going to start, you know, this starts now.
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The people that watch our show represent the entire country, if not the world. Yesterday we had callers from Australia. We had people call in from, we had a comment from Antarctica. And the guy was walking, he was like, base in Antarctica. I think he was telling the truth. He said he's the only thing he had to do.
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A lot of federal employees.
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What happens when a grieving mother dares to question her local school district—and ends up accused of stalking? In this powerful episode, attorney Parker Jackson from the Goldwater Institute reveals how one Wyoming mom's courage sparked a First Amendment showdown. Could this landmark ruling reshape how far schools can go to silence parents? And what does it mean for free speech and parental rights across America? https://www.GoldwaterInstitute.org/ https://RushToReason.com
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All right, we are back. Hour 3, Rush to Reason, Denver's Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560. Several of you texting in, by the way. Thank you. I appreciate your text messages, and a lot of you resonating with the stories that are the story I was telling about, you know, my childhood and background and business ownership and so on, and a lot of you relating very directly to what I was talking about, giving me your own stories, which, by the way, I appreciate. And, yep, I can relate to almost every story that you guys share fully. So thank you, by the way, for that. I appreciate that, and And I'm right there with you. Parker Jackson joining us now, staff attorney at the Goldwater Institute. Parker, welcome. How are you? I'm doing great. How are you? I'm doing great. Talk to us about what's going on in Wyoming. There's a powerful case that you guys have just been through, or a mom, a parent, basically faced retaliation from a school district simply for speaking up, and that's in our neighboring state, Wyoming.
SPEAKER 17 :
Yeah, that's exactly right. should go without saying that no one should be hauled into court simply for criticizing government officials, especially when it comes to parents and school officials. And yet, as you mentioned, that's exactly what happened to one mom in Rock Springs, Wyoming, which is a little railroad town just off of Interstate 80.
SPEAKER 12 :
Right. So give us the background. This is a story that, frankly, I've not followed, so give us the background on it.
SPEAKER 17 :
Yeah. So the mom's name is Kari Cochran. And Kari, unfortunately, has just endured some very terrible tragedy in her life. Her son, teenage son, committed suicide just after he graduated from high school there in the Sweetwater County School District No.
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And there were some events that led up to that, some bullying and some sexual harassment, and he had some academic challenges resulting from that. As any reasonable, attentive parent would do, Kari began asking some tough questions of the school district about their sexual harassment, entitled mind policies, their grading, and some other issues. She also has another daughter in the school district that she was advocating for as well. And after her son died, she also tried to get copies of his academic records. She ran into some issues there. And while that was being sorted out, she was served with not just one but two lawsuits from the assistant superintendent and from the superintendent's wife, which was on behalf of herself and the superintendent, accusing her of stalking because of some comments she made criticizing them at school board meetings and online.
SPEAKER 12 :
OK, so a lot to unpack there. And just to your point, just because you speak up at these meetings and you don't like the way something's being run, which, by the way, is your right as an American, especially a taxpayer that's in that area to do, especially when your kids are still in the school, as in her case. Really, every parent has a right to do that, whether they have kids in the school district or not, because they're all right in the checks when it's all said and done. I'm confused as to why she now, you know, you know where the where this whole stocking thing comes from.
SPEAKER 17 :
Yeah, so as you alluded to, there's several different rights at issue here. There's obviously the speech implications. Kari also has parental rights. There's a constitutional right of parents to direct and control the education and upbringing of their kids. There's rights as taxpayers. All of that is kind of implicated here. And unfortunately, what we've seen is school districts and school officials all over the country saying, have been overreaching to try and silence parents that criticize them, to hide information, to ban them from school property. And that really, I think, is what the goal was here. I mean, both of the judges that ended up seeing these cases reached the same conclusion, that there was no stalking. And the first judge went out of his way to note that Kari had rights under both the First Amendment but also under the broader protections of the Wyoming state constitution to engage in this type of political speech that's protected. even if it was critical of some of the school officials and even if she engaged in, you know, Facebook comments and whatever else.
SPEAKER 12 :
That's her right to do so. Who cares? So here's a dumb question on my part. This is something that you're an attorney, so I feel like I can ask you more than I can other guests. Why don't our elected officials, in this case, these are school board members and they are elected. In some cases, there might be city managers that are appointed. But in most cases, we're talking about elected officials. Do these people not understand the law, Parker?
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Well, some of them do and some of them don't.
SPEAKER 12 :
Or really quick, do they feel above the law? Maybe that's a better question for me to ask.
SPEAKER 17 :
I'm sure there's some of that. I think really what is going on is some people think that they can abuse the legal process to try and silence other people. And they're trying to impose... these litigation costs and this intimidation of the court system to try and get people, especially parents, to be quiet and sit down and let them do whatever they want.
SPEAKER 12 :
You know what? Great. That's probably one of the better explanations I think I've I have heard yet, because I think, yeah, I do think at times, Parker, there's some ignorance that goes on with some of this where they just don't really they don't even understand the oath that they took and what that oath is pledged to when it's all said and done. So I do think there's some ignorance, although I think when it gets to some of the higher ups, it really is. You know what? I know the law. I know what it says, but I'm going to use this intimidation end of things to silence these people so we can go do whatever we want to.
SPEAKER 17 :
Well, and most states, including Colorado, have recognized this threat and have enacted what lawyers call anti-SLAPP laws. And SLAPP stands for Strategic Litigation Against Public Participation, which is exactly what happened here. These were strategically filed lawsuits to oppose Kari's public participation. And Colorado, as I mentioned, has a pretty good anti-SLAPP law. The Institute for Free Speech gives Colorado an A. But Wyoming is one of 12 states that receives an F grade because we don't have those extra statutory protections. And that was unavailable to Kari in this case. You know, we're very grateful that the judges recognized these constitutional issues and dismissed the case's both for lack of evidence and also because of the constitutional speech issues. But had there been an anti-SLAPP law in place, the judges would have been alerted to this more quickly. Kari would have had an easier time finding legal counsel. She attended the initial hearing by herself without legal representation. And you can imagine, as a mom, going through that, having to file all your own legal paperwork and sitting there in court. And so these laws are designed to prevent that and also designed to provide some recourse on the back end so that she could recover potentially attorney fees or damages or court costs or anything else. And she didn't get any of that in this case. Fortunately, we were able to step in and help with some of that. But not everybody can, and we can't be everywhere either. So these laws really are important.
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Talk to us about the Goldwater Institute, the website for all of you listening, goldwaterinstitute.org. What is it you guys all do? How can we help?
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Yeah, so we're a public interest litigation and public policy organization. It's founded and based in Phoenix, Arizona, named after the late, great Senator Barry Goldwater. And basically what that means is there's a group of us, like myself, that are attorneys, and we litigate these issues in court and we connect people with other attorneys. In this case, we were able to connect Kari with a Wyoming attorney by the name of Cassie Craven, who's part of our American Freedom Network of pro bono attorneys. And so that's kind of half of what we do. And then the other half is we try and go into state houses as well and get some of these policies that need fixed change so that they don't negatively affect other parents or taxpayers or other people.
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Awesome. Any other stories that you want to highlight down the road, please let me know. Love to have you back on, Parker. This is great. Thank you for the information. And I've got more to say on this as soon as I come back. So I appreciate your time, Parker, very much. Yep, thanks for having me. You're very welcome. And I got a couple things I want to mention about Wyoming from some of you that have texted in here that I'll mention as soon as we come back. Flesh Law, speaking of attorneys and all that's involved there, and if you need any representation in the legal end of things, civil, criminal, you name it, that's what Kevin's there for, 303-806-8886.
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All right, this wasn't in my notes either, but every time we talk about Wyoming, I have had no less than about six text messages that have just come in here through those two breaks, basically talking about how corrupt Wyoming is, and especially the school districts. Every single time I talk about something along these lines, several of you will chime in. And one person in particular said it was so awful they finally left and went to Arizona. So everybody that thinks Wyoming is great, and yes, there's a lot of conservatives and Republicans and so on. Fiscally, they do well. Sounds to me like there's a lot of corruption up there that needs to be weeded out. And some of you up there listening, or some of you listening that are up there, that are a part of the system, you need to be involved in weeding it out. Sounds like there are corrupt not only sheriffs, but mayors and council people and so on, and they need to go. I'm going to say it straight up. And I know our signal goes up there, and some of those— Shame on you, by the way. You are not above the law. If you're in the school districts and you've got some sort of authority and you serve on some sort of an elected capacity and you think you can abuse your power, shame on you. You need to go. You need to just step down. And I'm going to start calling this out more. So those of you that are in Wyoming, you continue to keep texting me things. And if you want to even text me certain stories of things that come up, I won't name any names. By the way, all of you that text, I have no idea who each one of you is. Sometimes you'll give me your name. But in most cases, we've become friends just through the messaging end of things. But I wouldn't know you if I saw you on the street because I've never met you in person. So there's no way that I can out anybody on this because I don't know who you are anyways. But what I'm going to say is if there's things going on and I need to start mentioning them, I'm here. I'll do it. I hate corruption of any kind. It's a bunch of nonsense. And I hate the buddy system that happens inside of government on a routine basis. And it sounds like there's a lot of that in Wyoming. Shouldn't happen. Bunch of garbage. I have heard from some of you that are in the business community that it's actually harder to do business in Cheyenne than it is in Fort Collins. That's a bunch of garbage as well. So if you're up in Cheyenne and you're some sort of an authority and you work for one of those agencies I just got done talking about, you want to call in to defend yourself, be my guest. You can text me as well. I'm not sure some of you can, though. And here's what I can assure those of you that live in Wyoming. I'm going to keep talking about this. I'm going to get to the bottom of this. I'm going to start rooting some of these people out. So, folks, I want names. I want names of individuals that are corrupt, that are not doing things correctly. I want mayors. I want sheriffs. Whatever it is, if you know that there's something going on that shouldn't be, I want to know. I'll talk about it. I am not fearful of that at all. You guys all know me. I could care less. Come after me if you want, Wyoming. What a bunch of crap, by the way. You would think in a state like Wyoming where people actually go to, in a lot of ways, get away from that, you would think that it would be better than that. You would think that you guys could do better. And from the sounds of it, it's worse. Somebody says there's too many rhinos in Wyoming, especially the governor. Mayor of Cheyenne is a clown. Okay, well, there's an example of a name. So, Mr. Mayor of Cheyenne, I'd love to meet you and talk to you in person, find out exactly what you're doing and what you're doing in Cheyenne and why you are the way you are. And I know people listen from all over. Most likely, some of these individuals I'm talking about are listening. I'm going to start calling you out. You're on notice. There's a bunch of nonsense. I'll do it here in my home state of Colorado as well, and I do that on a continual basis. But this nonsense in Wyoming, it's got to stop. That's a bunch of garbage. Here's the next question. Why do all of you put up with that? Direct question. Why do you put up with it? Is it just because you have to or you don't have any way to fight it or what? Why is it that way? Is it such a buddy system that there's just no way to fight it? Well, I've got a voice and a microphone. I can fight it. I can call these people out. That's a bunch of nonsense that that's going on up there in Cheyenne and other areas of Wyoming. In this case that we just talked about, what a bunch of utter nonsense. This particular lady starts asking the school district and the school board as to what's going on in certain areas, and she ends up being prosecuted by them for stalking. What a load of garbage. Every one of those members needs to resign, as far as I'm concerned. So Rock Springs, school board, those of you that probably are listening right now, shame on you. I'll call you out. I have no problem doing that. What a bunch of utter nonsense. No one is above the law, by the way. And every parent has the right to say whatever they want to about how their district's being run. And like I said earlier, you don't need to be a parent. You're a taxpayer. You have a right to say something. You're writing the checks. That's something that I cannot seem to get through enough. These elected officials think that they're somehow above the law. They can do whatever they want to with the money that they didn't even earn and bring in. It came in automatically from their taxpayers. It's a bunch of nonsense. And these people think that, you know, anytime they want, they can just go fleece you for more by raising the mill levy or doing this or doing that or raising property taxes and running this initiative. It's a bunch of utter nonsense. It's high time it stopped. These school districts especially have got unlimited power in a lot of ways, and it needs to be reined in. We need some solid legislation, especially in states like Colorado, to rein some of this in. If I was running for governor, one of the things I would be running on is a cap on property taxes. You can't run on eliminating because that's not going to happen, but you could sure run on capping them. Now, I get it. The governor doesn't control everything legislatively, but you have a lot of influence on what does happen. And you can agree to sign or not sign things. So if I was running for governor right now, and those of you that are candidates, I would be taking a really hard look at running on a platform of not only reducing property taxes but capping them as well, meaning that school districts are going to figure out ways to make ends meet better than they do right now. And frankly, why is it that we hear this past week that places like Amazon and UPS are laying off executives and yet school districts aren't? Like school districts are growing? They're not. They're shrinking, actually. They have less students now than they did a year or two ago. Every year, in some cases, they diminish. So why is it they keep getting more funding instead of less when there's less kids? These are hard questions, by the way, that frankly, no one's asking enough of, and Democrats won't answer. The Marxist left won't answer these because they think, again, they think that they're above the law. They think that their school system is above the law, that there's no accountability. And I'm here to tell you, we've got to start putting some of that back in. publicly, not just some of you going out and running for the school board and so on, which I get. Some of you can do that. Lord bless you. I'm glad that you do. I can't. I don't have time for that. I'm here. I've got this voice. But it's high time we started calling some of these things back in like they need to be, you know, reining some of these things back in, I guess, is the word I'm looking for, because they're out of control. Literally, these school districts are out of control. And there's no accountability. That's part of the problem is legislatively even there's no accountability because all we ever hear about is, oh, it's for the kids. Oh, it's for the children. Oh, they need more money for this. Oh, they need more money for that. Hogwash. No, they don't. No, they don't. They actually need to budget better, get rid of some of their fat, literally some of their executive fat that's there, figure out how to use more systems, AI, things like that to their benefit and let some people go. Fire them. Make them retire. Do whatever. But get rid of them. You don't need them. I guarantee you I could go to every single school and school district and cut 10% of our staff out tonight. In one night, literally. Would not take me long to do that. And most of you listening that have any kind of business acumen like me, you could do the exact same thing. I'm not saying I can do that just because I'm smarter than everybody else. No, this isn't that complicated. Where's the fat? Cut it. It's that simple. What schools need closed down? How many students are there? How many of those students could move somewhere else? How many of those properties could be sold off and that money gets put back into the coffers? Folks, I have got so many examples of things you could go in and do, but nobody wants to talk about what I just said. Especially the left, because the teachers unions have a fit. But even our side, we don't talk about some of this stuff. Even candidates for school boards, how many of them do you hear talking about shutting a school down because there's not enough attendance? We don't do that. Even our side doesn't do that. Why? Why don't we? And you guys all know me. I'm no fan of public school anyway, so I'd be as hard on them as anybody because I don't like them. They are inefficient, bloated, waste of time, and do nothing more than brainwash kids at the end of the day. They're awful. They need a complete revamp. And anybody that doesn't think what I just said, you're part of the problem because that's exactly what those institutions are from coast to coast. Frankly, I don't know that there's a good one out there. Doesn't mean there's not some good teachers. Doesn't mean there's not some good administrators. I didn't say that. But in general, there isn't a good one. They're all awful because they're all heavily, heavily, heavily influenced by the teachers unions. And as I said yesterday, any candidate running for office that is backed by the teachers' union, that's an automatic no, it should be for everybody else. You shouldn't even vote for them, period, no matter how bad the other candidate is. Because any candidate's better than one that is endorsed by the teachers' union. So those of you where you're trying to figure out who to vote for, instead of asking me, you know, what about this person, what about that person, all you have to do is do a little bit of homework, find out which, if there's two candidates there, which one's backed by the teachers' union, vote for the other one. It's that easy. This isn't rocket science. If they're backed by the teachers union, it's a no-go for me. It's a done deal. 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All right, we are back and continuing on with Hour 3 here. Scott Garlis will be joining us here in one moment. Somebody texted in, too, and said, man, great question, John, that you asked when it comes to why do we see layoffs in a lot of other places? A lot of places. Amazon, UPS, and so on. But yet, you never see that in a school district. Well, that's the million-dollar question. All right, Scott Garlis joining us now. Scott, welcome. How are you? Hey, John, I'm well. How are you? Quarter point. That's all we got today.
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Yeah, I mean, look.
SPEAKER 12 :
Not shocked?
SPEAKER 04 :
No.
SPEAKER 12 :
Predictable?
SPEAKER 04 :
Yes, yes. And sort of the ridiculous thing that came out of it is the first reporter to ask a question in the press conference immediately said, well, you know, are you going to cut at the next meeting? And, of course, the Fed chairman is not going to tell people that they're going to cut against the next meeting. And he said, well, it'll depend on the data. We'll see what happens. He said the exact same thing back in September. So what did everybody walk away from that meeting saying?
SPEAKER 12 :
He's not going to cut again.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yep, exactly.
SPEAKER 12 :
Which again, I watched it as well. And no, that's to your point, Scott. No, that's not really what was said. He has to, you know, he can't say, well, yeah, of course we're going to cut, you know, in December. No, Scott, you just said it. He can't say that. Come on, people. Give me a break.
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And the guy who asked it, I guarantee you the thing was he already had his story teed up for the Wall Street Journal. He wanted him to say that so that he could just be like, that's my story. So this guy walks away and he typically says very negative things after every press conference. It's whatever because, look, he's just looking for clicks and he just wants people.
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But, yes, he did not.
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He was just being the Fed chairman. He's being cautious. I think they're going to cut again in December, and I think there's a good shot they cut again in January.
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I think so, too.
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Yeah. I mean, look, so what happened earlier this week on Monday that really told me it was a lock this time, it's probably going to be a lock next time, is Federal Reserve Bank Chicago has started running real-time employment data. sort of what they're seeing and they're putting numbers together. What they said Monday was that the unemployment rate has now ticked up to 4.35%. Well, you're kind of getting picky when you do that. You really want to do a single digit. So you round up, you know, five and above, give it a shove is the old rule you learned in school, right? So it's really at 4.4%. You know, and for the Fed, that means, hey, we have to do more to support the job market.
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Right.
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So... They cut, and they're going to cut. And now the thing that a lot of these reporters, I guess they didn't look at that number because they all basically hung on this comment that, you know, back when we looked at unemployment in August, it was lower. But that's foolish. You have one of the Federal Reserve banks, the one in Chicago, who happens to have a very hawkish president who supported the rate cut today because the data he's looking at has told him that, you know, the labor market's got some issues and we need to do more to support it because, again, as Powell and others have said, if we don't do anything now, we're going to have bigger problems down the road.
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Right. Right. No, great point. And really quick on the reporters. And, you know, I could be wrong. I mean, I don't know these people individually, but my gut feeling with typically reporters, the same is true in the automotive journalistic or automotive journalism end of things. I've been to plenty of events and met plenty of auto journalists that frankly don't know a lug nut from a tire. And I'm not exaggerating when I say that, meaning I got to wonder how many of these reporters there on the financial end of things really understand finances is my point.
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Well, I guarantee most of them have never worked on Wall Street and have never seen how this works in practical moves. Right. Never in a payroll check. Yeah. So it's a lot of theory. And it's just – so they miss some of the really nuanced stuff. I will give you a prime example. Yesterday, basically, it's like the AI Super Bowl event every year. It's going on in D.C., is it? GTC conference from NVIDIA. And of all the things that Jensen Wang said at the SIG, he said right now our two high-end GPU chips, the Blackwell one and the new one they're coming out with, I can't remember the name off the top of my head, but he said over the next five quarters through the end of 2026, we now have $500 billion worth of backlog demand for these chips.
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Wow.
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I was like, I bet I've never heard anything like that before.
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Well, and I'm guessing, does that play into why today they've all of a sudden become the most, what should I say, the highest valued company at $5 trillion?
SPEAKER 04 :
It totally does. $500 billion in backlog is amazing. The expectation going in on the high end was $280 billion. It was double.
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Wow.
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Okay, and that's, So I think that's like three times almost what the company did in fiscal year 25. It maybe did $190 billion in revenue. But the reporters, I turned on CNBC after this because I was talking with some of my tech hedge fund buddies about it. This was happening. And so the reporters on CNBC who were in there, not a single one of them mentioned that backlog number.
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Interesting.
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Which, yeah, so sorry, I didn't mean to belabor. No, you're fine. The point, but these reporters that go into these events, they just miss these things are really important. The other really big thing that the Fed did today was they said quantitative tightening ends December 1st. And what quantitative tightening is, is when the Fed is shrinking its balance sheet. And how it shrinks its balance sheet is when a bond holding, say, for instance, a Treasury bond, that holds when it expires, or it basically is a matured, they keep all the proceeds they've got gotten from that, which means the principal and the dividend payments, and they don't reinvest it in the market. They just keep they keep the cash. Well, now, they're ending qt. So they're going to be reinvesting all that cash. And what they're going to be doing is they said, they're going to be buying more short term treasuries with that. And so why that's a big deal is because the world's biggest buyer of treasuries is going back into the treasury market to be the world's biggest buyer. And their size is increasing again. So what you'll see is they will bid treasury prices up and they'll put cash back into the financial system. And that means yields will come down, which will affect borrowing costs or make borrowing costs lower. And because cash becomes more plentiful in the banking system.
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It's easier to give out.
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Yeah, it's easier to give out, and they'll charge less for it because it's more plentiful. And so that will help businesses, and that will help households. Now, the crazy thing is, as they were cutting rates, they were still doing quantitative tightening, which is you're fighting yourself. It doesn't make any sense. So now by doing this, Policy gets in line, and that should be more beneficial for the economy.
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Nice. Okay, talk to us about, again, the whole AI thing is big. I talked about NVIDIA a moment ago, which is, by the way, a huge push. But, you know, the AI thing just continues to move forward. How does all of that play into the talk that, you know, Trump and, you know, China are having?
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Okay, so one really big thing going on here is, Trump met with Jensen Wang today, the CEO of NVIDIA. And part of this rarer thing, some of the fights that's been going on, the escalating trade tensions lately, is Trump told NVIDIA they could sell some of their really low-end GPUs to China. And China has pushed back, and they're saying, no, we want access to Blackwell.
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Not the good ones.
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Yeah, which are some of the better chips. And Jensen Wang's argument has been like, hey, look, if we're going to do this, you know, instead of don't force them to make their own technology, let's sell them ours and have them build it on the American stack. So we know what kind of technology they have, what they're capable of, what it can do instead of having China, you know, build the equivalent of what we've already built or what we're building right now. And then we don't know what it's capable of. We My guess would be the reason that Trump was meeting with Jensen Wang today is because I was talking to a couple of guys about yesterday. He's probably going to use this as a leverage point to get what he wants in a trade deal, and they'll probably get a trade deal. And then he made a comment last night saying, you know, I might let China have access to black web chips. So hearing and seeing those things and knowing China has been pushing for this, Makes me think they've got some stuff lined up that a deal's going to get done when Trump and Xi meet tomorrow.
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Okay. What does that do to everything we're talking about?
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I think that's going to be really good for the economy. I think that's going to chip away at some of the inflation case. I think a big part of that is going to be tying their feet down to $50 billion worth of annual agricultural purchases. Soybeans in particular are going to be a big deal because Trump wants to help out the farmers. It's been very contested whether or not that will happen lately. Yeah, I just look... he wants supply chains to be okay. And I realize he wants to see American manufacturing take place, and he's pushing to get as much of that here as he can. But he probably is also looking at industries. We talked about this recently. There's a story out about it. The White House realizes we can't do everything here. And they're probably looking at areas where, you know, okay, it doesn't even make sense for us to do this. Let's try to do it. And so let's Let's get rid of some of this trade fight and see where there are areas that we can do things that help growth and keep inflation low. And I think that's a big part of what we're looking at.
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Talk about OpenAI, you know, ChatGPT, embedding PayPal's wallet now into chat.
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Yeah, so this is another really interesting thing to me as well from a treasury demand and a yield perspective. So ChatGPT has about 800 million users. uh, weekly users that are doing searches. Um, I think they do like 2 billion searches a day or something like that. Uh, and what they did the other, it was, I think it was yesterday morning, they announced a deal to embed PayPal's wallet for people using chat GPT to purchase things when they, when they do a search and they find something. Um, so why I think that's a big deal, uh, that expands the user base. So, you know, you have PayPal's got 400 million consumers or customers. And ChatGPT is $800 million. So you could say, okay, well, PayPal's potential audience just went to 3x, more or less. But so like 10% to 15% of PayPal wallet users have PayPal stablecoin. It's P-Y-U-S-D, I believe is its symbol. And so that stablecoin buys short-term U.S. treasuries. So it's pegged one-to-one for a dollar, and it's backed by U.S. treasuries. So if we see now this 800 million user base have a similar style of migration, that is going to drive up demand for U.S. treasuries. And so, again, it does what we were just talking about with the Fed ending quantitative tightening and buying more treasuries. It creates even more treasury demand, which would drive up treasury prices and drive down yields. And that plays out for households and businesses. It makes borrowing costs cheaper. That's a good thing.
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Yep, absolutely. Oh, solid stuff. And, again, we'll always see how things roll. No Fed meeting in November, of course. Next Fed meeting is December. I'm assuming by then, you know, pretty good chance that government will be back at it. We'll have numbers coming in and so on. It'll be a little different. atmosphere, I guess you could say, Scott, along those lines. Maybe that's the last question I'll ask you. What are the thoughts on government reopening? What's the scuttlebutt around that?
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Yeah, so I keep hearing the policy guys, I talk to different stuff, but the latest is they're waiting to see, the Democrats want to wait to see what happens in this Virginia governor's race. I don't know when that's coming up soon, I think. Is that something like in the next week or two?
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Well, it'll be next week. The elections are next week.
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Tuesday. So I think the Democratic candidate had a very big gap in that race at one point, and that's closed very recently, and it's all of a sudden tightened way up. But my policy buddies are saying, you know, what's really going to be the big test for the Democrats is when these insurance costs – projections start going out to people. That starts to happen to me in November. They've been saying they think they're going to cave. I don't know. Either way, I mean, they feel we're getting closer to getting a deal done to reopen the government.
SPEAKER 12 :
Okay. All right. Good to know. Scott, how do folks find you? Ben Pine Capital.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah, sure. Twitter, LinkedIn, or Substack. See Scott Garlis.
SPEAKER 12 :
Awesome. Scott, as always, I appreciate your time, sir.
SPEAKER 04 :
John, thank you. You bet.
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All right, closing out today, and Charlie might be familiar with this. I'm not. I got a text message from one of you early this morning saying, hey, have you seen what's going on with this particular device and some of the commercials surrounding it? A, I don't watch much TV and definitely don't watch commercials. And even if I'm watching a football game or something like that, I'll tune out commercials and do something else during that time. And I don't see commercials. So there's a device called the Hatch. You know what that is, Charlie? Some sort of sleep device? Charlie does not know. Wow, I'm surprised. It's some sort of device that essentially helps you sleep better at night. And, again, I don't know much about this. I should actually maybe look into this because of health and wellness. But there's a recent Halloween ad from this sleep device company. And it's – I watch the ad. It's super demonic. I don't know how else to say it. It's just creepy. And to the point – that there's a lot of people that own these devices that are literally scrapping them, taking them out, throwing away, running over them. It's just become like this thing, I guess, on social media, whereby they're worried they might actually get possessed by the device that's in their house. Now, let me say this. That can't happen. That's not how this works. But I think people have so much fear over this particular ad, and this company now has even put out some counter social media things to go against the ad, basically trying to calm the fears around ads. This particular ad and what's happening and so on. And there's an article somebody sent me in Christianity.com. And even this ad talks or this particular article talks about how it's just freaky. So Hatch is a brand known for creating devices that help people sleep better at night. And it struck a chord. Now, the way it struck a chord, by the way, is it just shows people in all states of fear and anxiety and really being possessed. I don't know how else to say it. And this device is supposed to calm all of this. It's weird. Now, I talk about this a lot, so does Andy and I. You need to know your market. And evidently, Hatch and the folks that run the marketing campaign doesn't know its market. Because I'm guessing there's a lot of people out there, Christians included, that own one of these devices. And I guess it's sort of like a white noise device. I guess, think of it that way. I don't have anything like this, so I don't know how to describe it because I don't have one. But it's a device that is designed to help you sleep through noise and things like that. Some, and I'm not saying this is the case, so please, nobody put words in my mouth because I don't know. Again, I don't own a device, but some have claimed, and this is where they start throwing the devices away, that they'll hear chants at night coming out of the device and weird voices and murmurs and just Charlie's in there freaking out. It's just weird stuff that goes on. And in turn, they're tossing the device. Now, here's my take on that. Is that really coming from the device? I don't know. People's imaginations can run wild, especially at night. You know, is it because of the ad they watch that now they're, you know, there's some subliminal things happening? Folks, I don't know. I'm not an expert in that, and I don't know. Okay. This article talks about how scientifically fear captivates the brain faster than peace, and there's a fight-or-flight mechanism. And so people seeing the ad might actually have that sort of response given the nature of the ad. And I'll say this. It's a freaky ad. I watched it. It's freaky. It's just creepy. It's weird. I mean, truthfully, I wouldn't buy it based upon the ad. Stupid marketing, by the way, on their part. Really stupid marketing. Now, they're getting a lot of press because of me now even talking about it, and I had no idea what a hatch, H-A-T-C-H, what a hatch was prior to this. So whoever you were that sent me this this morning, thank you, because frankly, I wouldn't have known about this. I don't follow enough of this sort of thing to have this probably even come across any of my feeds or inboxes or anything along those lines. And again, this whole Christianity.com thing is, you know, it's an interesting take on what's going on. And, you know, I don't have any opinions on this one way or the other other than the ad I watched. And again, like I said, the ad I watched is enough for me to write, yeah, I'm not buying any from you. That was really stupid on your part. But I'm also somebody that I don't need something to sleep. And you guys all know I don't sleep a ton. I'm kind of a seven-hour-a-night guy, sometimes eight, but usually six and a half, seven, somewhere in that neighborhood is really where I'm at on sleep. And I'm okay with that. I can live with that all day long. I'm fine. So I don't go out and investigate and look for these devices. I don't have apps on my phone to help me sleep. I don't track my sleep. I don't do those things to see how many times do I wake up, how many times do I turn over, how many times do I do this. I don't do any of that. To me, what difference does it make? How am I going to fix that? I'm not going to take drugs to help me sleep better, so I'm not doing that. So I am what I am. And I'm fine. I function just fine. You guys all know that. You hear me every day. I function fine. I don't have any issues. I'm not yawning all the way through the show. You know, I don't go home and crash because I'm so dead tired that I just can't do anything else after. No, typically I do other things after the show. A, I have to drive home. B, I've got other things I do even after that. It's just what I do. So bottom line, this is strange. If you have one of these devices, you might want to investigate the company. And I'm not saying you need to take your device and go throw it away. That's not at all what I'm saying. You've got to do what you want to do. But I just found it was very interesting that, once again, after all the things that we talk about, even Andy and I and other radio shows do, these people that do marketing, you would think by now with some of the faux pas they've had, Bud Light and others, you would think by now these companies would look a little bit harder and closer at their market and understand who buys their products, and, oh, if we put this ad out, it may not actually end well. You would think by now, after everything some of these companies go through, and it hasn't just been one bad ad campaign. There's been numerous ones. Jaguar was the other one. So you look at Bud Light, Jaguar, who, by the way, still hasn't recovered. Not sure they ever will. But you look at all of this, and you just wonder, what are they thinking? And evidently, no one there in the marketing department does. They don't have a brain, I guess. Folks, this stuff, as far as the business end of things, just frustrates the life out of me because it's like, listen, people, you can't be that stupid. But yet they are. And I'm sorry I've got to dovetail this back into politics. We on our side do some of the same dumb things. We don't even know our market at times, and we make the same stupid mistakes that some of these companies do because we feel like we're smarter than the market. And we're not. So all of you that are on the far right that listen to me, please heed my warning. You've got to know your market. And I'm afraid most of you in Colorado that are in that particular end of things, you don't know Colorado, you don't know the market. 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Join Bill Gunderson and Barry Kider in today's episode of the Best Stocks Now show as they navigate an exciting market landscape filled with record highs in key indices. With the NASDAQ and Dow soaring, the episode kicks off with an analysis of current market trends, touching upon significant moves in different sectors including the tech and nuclear spheres. Bill Gunderson shares his insights on the ever-changing market dynamics and the impact of geopolitical developments such as President Trump's trip to Asia. Exploring investment opportunities, the discussion delves into rare earths and nuclear energy, shedding light on the strategic partnerships and company valuations that are currently reshaping the market. Key highlights include Cameco's collaboration with Brookfield Partners and the burgeoning demand for nuclear energy across the globe. The conversation also touches on the advent of small modular reactors and what this could mean for the future of clean energy. In the latter part of the episode, Bill examines the impressive performance of data center stocks like Celestica. While reflecting on past investment decisions, he emphasizes the importance of growth strategies and valuations in maintaining a resilient portfolio. With a forecast of upcoming earnings reports, this episode offers a deep dive into the factors driving growth and volatility in today's financial markets.
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He's been seen on CNBC, the Fox News Channel, and the Fox Business Channel. His articles can be found on MarketWatch, Seeking Alpha, TheStreet.com, and many other places. He's the author of the weekly Best Stocks Now newsletter and the inventor of the Best Stocks Now app. He's president of Gunderson Capital Management. Here is professional money manager, Bill Gunderson.
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And welcome to the Tuesday morning. It is the October 28th new record high again edition of the Best Stocks Now show with professional money manager Bill Gunderson, president of Gunderson Capital Management. And I'm here with Barry Kider, chartered financial analyst. And we are off to the races once again. The gates have opened and we're setting new record highs across the board in the equity indexes. With the Dow up right now to 47,737. That's a 40 basis point rise here today. And that is record setting with the Dow up 193. The NASDAQ is up 87. We have two big winners today in the NASDAQ or in the tech sector, the nuclear sector actually a little bit, and data center. The NASDAQ's up 87. That puts it at 23,724, a new record high. The S&P is up four points, just barely hanging on to its gains. It's at a record high, 6,879. Small caps are down three quarters. That usually means that we might see some settling in the market here throughout the day as risk on is not quite there in this early action. We have the bond market is down a couple of basis points, 3.99%. Today only, come and get it. We've got gold down again under $4,000, $3,948. So welcome to today's Best Stocks Now show with professional money manager Bill Gunderson, president of Gunderson Capital Management. We are a fee-based only. Money Management Registered Investment Advisory Firm from coast to coast from the Bay Area of San Francisco down to Orlando and many places in between and we continue to see these record highs in the market. Nobody seems to care about the record valuations that are occurring underneath the surface, however. We do keep our eye on that. We do realize that the S&P 500 is now trading at more than 23 times forward earnings estimates. We are in an easing environment for the rates, interest rates with the Fed. We're going to get a decision again tomorrow, I guess. Tomorrow, yeah. And hoping for another quarter point rate cut. And that is also helping the market. Trump's trip to Asia is helping the market to Southeast Asia. And a meeting later this week with President Xi. A thawing there taking place to some extent. I heard one analyst calling it a one-year pause, kicking the can down the road as it relates to rare earth and as it relates to our technology that China so badly needs and covets. But all of this is helping the markets here once again this morning. Helping everything but gold, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Gold is the one that – and rare earth stocks. Gold is left out because gold seems to be the ultimate hedge against trade tensions. It seems to like those trade tensions. People rush to gold when there's an unknown out there in the world, tariffs and whatnot. And, of course, with the one-year pause, at least I don't know that it's official yet, but that's the word. That has really hit the rare earth stocks, the antimony stocks. But I still think that, look, I mean, we're going to go full speed ahead on building our stockpiles, on finding new supplies, because we do not want to be dependent upon China in kazakhstan and other hostile countries towards us with those very much needed rare earth products you know yesterday i went on amazon after the show berry and i found a uh a little block i don't know how much it weighs of antimony so i ordered one it's not all that expensive But I'm going to have it as a paperweight on my desktop. Do we know how big it is?
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Do we know how big it's going to be?
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Yeah, no, it's a pretty big cube, you know, like a couple inches by a couple inches, solid antimony. That'll be kind of a conversation piece when people come in to visit me here in my office, having a block of antimony. Maybe it'll be a better investment than the gold and the silver. Who knows? But I just wanted to know what antimony looks like because we know how important it is in today's world with the high-tech weaponry, with the high-tech semiconductors.
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It's not see-through. It's not clear, you know. I wonder what kind of list you're popped up on now with the antimony purchase. The FBI will be knocking at my door in about two hours with a SWAT team ready to take me down.
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For your armor-piercing rounds that you... Yes, the armor-piercing armor that I'm going to melt down my antimony into. Okay, what do we have here today? Oh, boy, we got a lot of earnings today. That's going to be fun to go through and pick through those. We have two huge winners in the market today. Really happy with those two. We have got, let's see if it's sticking, but it looks like Apple and Microsoft are now hitting $4 trillion. That would be a trifecta. Of course, NVIDIA is the first one to cross that level and stick. Microsoft is at $4.06 trillion. We don't talk about Microsoft all that much, but, you know, we still own it. We haven't bought any new shares in Microsoft for quite some time, but we owned it in our dividended growth portfolio because Microsoft is a dividend payer, pays about just under 1% in dividend yield. And we never sold it. We discontinued that particular – That's one of the last – It's a holdover.
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That's one of the last holdover, yeah.
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But you know what? Microsoft is hitting a new all-time high today, so I can't complain, $4.07 trillion.
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I can't believe they both hit $4 trillion on the same day.
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Yes, and now it looks like Apple has fallen back just a little bit. It's at $3.98 trillion. It's fallen back into third place, but it has been breaking out recently, Apple. We can't make a valuation case for Apple. We have 56% upside potential calculated over the next five years. Their biggest bugaboo is their growth rate, which has really slowed down. I mean, yeah, high single digits probably, somewhere in there. But they are getting a boost from better than expected sales of the $17 billion. I ordered one a couple of weeks ago. I don't have it yet. I don't know. Maybe it will arrive with my antimony. I'll get a new iPhone and a little cube of antimony. That will be a nice little present here. We also have gold. Like I say, gold is selling off. The rare earths are selling off because of this truce. But two more $4 trillion companies joined the club here today. Today we've had earnings from SoFi, which had very good earnings. PayPal, which we'll get to. We're going to get Visa after the close. We've had a Dow component report so far, UnitedHealthcare, the beleaguered UnitedHealthcare. We've had UPS check in. We've had American Tower. Royal Caribbean is cruising right now. We're going to get Booking Holdings tonight. Tomorrow we're going to get Google. Have you been watching the action in Google recently? Holy cow, that thing's been breaking out. We picked up Google about the time that the NASDAQ and the S&P bought them back in April, and I added them to the relative value portfolio, which replaced the dividend growth portfolio. And that thing's done very well. I find more opportunity there. I find more inefficiency. That's what we're looking for. The dividend stocks, that's a very efficient market.
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It's very hard to squeeze alpha out of that. Not as constrained because not only did you have the dividend requirement, but also, you know, we're kind of more, you know, certainly more pigeonholed in the large cap space, right?
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Yeah. So, you know, it was a good move because the value thing has really done well, sizzling here so far out of the gate. Alphabet will report tomorrow, and there's a big deal going down today. Google is all over it. We've had several big tech companies buy a chunk of nuclear power, future energy, and that is happening today, and that is lighting up one of our stocks, Cameco. Holy cow, Cameco is up 20% right now. Microsoft is going to report tomorrow and Meta. So we'll call it Fab 5, Fabulous 7, Fab 7 or whatever Wednesday. Tomorrow, a very big day of earnings. And then on Thursday, the new $4 trillion company, Apple, will report along with Amazon. Fasten your seatbelts, everybody. A lot of earnings coming up. We'll be right back. We'll be right back.
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Thank you.
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And welcome back here to the second quarter of today's Best Stocks Now show. Well, the market is hanging on to those record highs and the gains that it has coming out of the gate. And if anything, it's gotten just a little bit stronger here. uh with uh the dow up right now uh yeah so about the same as where we open but we're hanging on to those gains that's a good thing and a new time a new all-time record highs okay here's here's my human interest story of the day samsung I don't know what brand our refrigerator is. I want to say Sub-Zero or something like that. Ours is a Samsung. Okay, well, you're going to want to trade it in for the newest model, which will have ads on your fridge. Family Hub Smart Fridges in the U.S. will start displaying advertisements along with other information such as news, calendar, weather forecast. The best stocks now show an app. No, I'm just kidding. But anyways, the ads are part of a new widget pilot for select cover screen themes of family hub fridges. You know what? You've got to see ads wherever you go. I'm filling up my gas pump, right? My stock car with gas, and there's advertisements talking to me. My gas pump is talking to me.
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I can't get away. That makes me think how much I wish my Samsung refrigerator would make more ice faster. Yeah, I don't need ads. I need more ice.
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Well, the refrigerator has always been a place we go to quite often. I knew a guy or a lady that she put a picture. She wanted to lose some whiteberry. So she put a picture of a very svelte, you know, curvaceous gal on the refrigerator and It worked because every time she went to the refrigerator, she said, you know, I want to look like that. But her husband, he gained weight because he kept going to the refrigerator to see the svelte, slim, curvy gal, right? So what works for one doesn't always work for the other one. So be careful with that. Here's a big winner. Oh, man, oh, man, oh, man. You know, I did some sleuth work. To discover this fact, and many of you might remember, I did several shows and talked about it over time. Whatever became of Westinghouse, right? It seems like they made refrigerators at one time, too, didn't they, or not?
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appliances there was there definitely some was westinghouse appliances now if they were the same it makes sense because a lot of those power companies early on right were the ones that you know sold you the the home appliance well yeah make money on both ends the yeah the energy that what's coming in and what's going out but anyways uh you know i wondered what happened and
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And I discovered that 51% of Westinghouse, because Westinghouse also was a big nuclear company, and they had a bad project that put them under. They were $7 billion under. over budget and seven years overtime on building it, finally walking away from it. And they were bought out by BEP, which is Brookfield Partners Asset Management, or BEP, which is the other renewable partners. They own 59%, and Cameco owns 49% of the stock. Cameco and Brookfield Asset Management now enter a third player into all of this, but it's another arm of Brookfield Asset Management. The symbol is BAM. And BAM, we have BAM today on all three of these stocks. They unveiled a strategic partnership with the U.S. government. Not a bad partner. You know, I mean, I like the targeted moves. We're not just throwing money at, you know, renewable solar this and solar that and wind this and wind that. The very strategic investment is being made. As the world now clamors for nuclear energy, so anyways, now you've got three companies together, Cameco, Brookfield, and Westinghouse, which is the other Brookfield, and Cameco. That's buried. Westinghouse is buried in there to partner in an $80 billion push for nuclear reactors, okay? So anyways, Westinghouse's AP1000 technology has already been selected for nuclear energy programs in Poland, Ukraine, and Bulgaria. But now they're really focusing on the U.S. The company said the deal aims to accelerate nuclear power deployment and meet surging electricity demand, which we know all about, from AI and data centers in line with President Trump's executive order earlier this year promoting nuclear energy. Under the new partnership, the U.S. government will be granted a participation interest, which once vested will entitle it to receive 20% of any cash distributions in excess of U.S. $17.5 billion made by Westinghouse, the US government also could participate in a future IPO of Westinghouse. So I've got to believe that this was a pretty good investment by Cameco and Brookfield, especially if they turn around and roll out that part of the Westinghouse part of their business in an IPO, and the U.S. government would also get 20% of the IPO. Now, I always say when there's big news on a company, if you want to know if it's good news or bad news, look at how the stocks are reacting. Cameco. Look at that breakout. Oh my gosh, that is beautiful. That's a good way to start the day. It really is. There's nothing like a good stock chart to make your day, especially if you own the stock, right? Man, that's a nice breakout. We own Cameco in our ultra-growth portfolio. It's a $45 billion company, all right? So it's just kind of moving into mid-cap range. I thought about adding it to the premier growth, but I just thought, you know, it's just not quite big enough. It's a uranium company, basically, but they do have this nuclear arm, which is really the one that's going gangbusters. Stock breaking out. It's up 20% today. The Ultra Growth Portfolio is doing very well. Thank you. You can get four free weeks of the newsletter by going to GundersenCapital.com and seeing what we own. It's up on seven times normal volume today, 9.3 million shares of traded hands. Look at Cameco's most recent quarter. Their sales were up 47% and their earnings were up 373%. And any of you that have gone to my workshops this year, I have gone through that old acronym coined by William O'Neill of the Investors Business Daily, CANSLIM. And I've showed you all about current earnings growth and how that can lead to some pretty potent current capital appreciation growth also while you're getting it there in Cameco. Big, huge move today. And let's not forget BAM. BAM, we don't own. It's up just 3%. But we do own BEP, Brookfield Energy Renewable Partners. It's up 7.2% today on this blockbuster news in the nuclear sector. We'll be right back.
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It's in a bad place.
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And I wonder what it's good for.
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I've been in a red place.
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This is Bill Gunderson. Thank you for tuning in to today's Best Stocks Now, Best Inverse Funds Now show. I put several hours of research in during the wee hours of the morning each day to bring you the very best cutting-edge stories that I can. To get two free weeks of my newsletter, go to GundersonCapital.com. To talk to us about our fee-based only money management services, call us at 855-611-BEST. Now, back to the second half of the show.
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The Instigator Because there's something in the air We've got to get together sooner or later.
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And welcome back here to the second quarter, second half of today's Best Docs Now show. Well, I did send out a few messages on X this morning, the social media site formerly known as Twitter, about some of these nuclear stories. Today's a big day for nuclear stories. The next one we have here, are on a couple of other stocks that we've talked about many times and one that we own here. BWX Technologies signs a nuclear steam generator detailed design contract and memorandum of understanding. You see that term a lot, and they abbreviate that to MOU, a Memorandum of Understanding. It's just one below a contract, I guess, Barry. Who do they sign it with? Rolls-Royce. to support future collaboration on the development of the rolls royce s m are that's also a new term you know since i've been in the business for twenty five years there's words now that never existed right i mean it it it began way back when uh... with the pc and networking and all this kind of stuff and now here we are today what's an s m r A small modular reactor, which, you know, this is at the opposite end of the spectrum from what we're talking about with Westinghouse. Not that Westinghouse may not get into that end of the market, but instead of building your traditional giant dome nuclear reactors that take years to build, It used to take 27 years to get all the permits through, right? But now they've speeded up that process. But there's also going to be a huge market for small nuclear modular reactors. You know, I read an article that the Army, they pull big diesel generators around. Why? To, you know, mechanize, fire up their weapon systems. It's getting to the point where that's not enough. And they're going to need small, modular reactors being pulled along.
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I would say... From a logistics standpoint.
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Yes. And I would say if you've got a son, daughter that's out of high school now, the military is not a bad... uh... place to go uh... they are teaching right here in south carolina for instance these kids that uh... you know i deal with them in my in my church job a lot of them are in the nuclear program it's a one-year program we had one just arrived uh... two sundays ago from wisconsin they get out of basic training up in the great lakes just north of chicago And they come here for one year and they learn all about nuclear technology and how to fire up, how to maintain, how to not blow up, I hope, a nuclear reactor. That's not a bad, you know, you talk about blue collar. I wouldn't call that blue collar, you know. I thought it sure involves electricity and plumbing and all kinds of mechanical engineering, all kinds of different things, high tech. understanding the fuels that are involved. Heck, I mean, let the Navy pay for your schooling on the burgeoning nuclear programs, nuclear wave that is sweeping the world right now. So anyways, Rolls-Royce is a major player there. And BWXT, we don't own it, but we do own Rolls-Royce. And that's not the only oar in the water that Rolls-Royce has, Barry. Okay, when you see all of those planes lined up over there at the Boeing plant, I was told we have another kid that comes to our church. He's a very interesting kid. He's a mechanic for Boeing, and I was talking about some of the old planes I've been on lately. Like from the 60s, it seems like.
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What the heck?
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Are they rolling out these old planes? I mean... There's no entertainment system. I can't charge my laptop. Nothing. But we were talking about Rolls-Royce. He said, well, when they order planes from Boeing, whoever it may be, because GE just got this giant order from Qatar, they give them a choice of having Rolls-Royce engines in them or GE engines. So Rolls-Royce not only has the booming aerospace market... It has the booming nuclear market. And Rolls-Royce is now trading on the U.S. Stock Exchange. At least I can now get charts on it from Investors Business Daily. R-Y-C-E-Y is that one. But wait, we're not done yet. We had Microsoft signed up with Constellation Energy to buy 20% of their energy going forward. Then it was Meta doing a big contract. I can't remember who that was with. It might have been with Constellation also. Google is partnering with NextEra Energy, which, if I'm not mistaken, that's the big Florida power. Yeah, we wrote an article on them years ago. And you've written a lot of checks to them, your parents and my sister and everybody to keep the lights on. Florida power and light. Yeah, you're the other one. But here's the deal. You know, a lot of these utilities, since they've been deregulated, they're going out of state. They're going to restart a shuttered Iowa nuclear power plant. So, you know, and that's why I favor the Vistras, the Constellations, the Talons, Newtons. next energy to some extent because you know they're able to go out of state and get in on this nuclear thing that's going on well i mean google has a real interest in this also they plan on having this up and running by q1 2029 okay so you just don't go back and plug in a nuclear power plant and it fires right up it's going to take two or three years
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Well, you highlighted them kind of reassessing and restarting the seaweed.
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Yes, the Cooper Santee.
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Yeah, it's Santee, right.
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That got bought out by, I can't remember who now, but a big utility. But, you know, I mean, look, NextEra Energy goes in there. They've already got a huge customer. Google is going to buy. a major portion of the energy output from this nuclear power plant. It's going to be a 24-7 carbon-free energy source to help power Google's growing cloud and AI infrastructure in Iowa. In Iowa. Build it and they will come, right? Field of Dreams will be a baseball field. A nuclear power plant hummingbird. In the cornfields. Okay, we talked a bit about... Don't make them glow. No, we don't want to have any more accidents. We talked a bit about creditworthiness and private debt and all of this stuff. MicroStrategy, which they're now named Strategy... They're floating some bonds. What does S&P think of MicroStrategy or Strategy's treasury, not their capital holdings in Bitcoin? They give them a junk level B-minus credit rating. And the reason they do that is because of the company's high Bitcoin concentration, narrow business focus, which I've been saying all along, and weak risk-adjusted capitalization and low U.S. dollar liquidity. Their outlook is stable, but it will cost them a lot of money to borrow at a level B minus credit rating. Now, okay, you take that, all right, and you go down about two or three notches and you're getting into where the private credit is, Barry, which is not good. Okay, now here's a rarer story. This one I believe I've added to the app. Australia has rare earth, and Australia's wealthiest person is Gina Reinhart. She's a big player in the basic materials and natural resources of Australia. She is going to double her stake in Arafura rare earths, the symbol. RAFF, shortly after a landmark U.S.-Australia agreement aimed at strengthening the China-dominated industry. So, you know, with the one-year pause, kick the can down the road, that buys us time, Barry, right, to go out there. And, I mean, they're going to go full speed ahead. That's why if I owned a rarer stock, even though they're as volatile as all get out, you can't get any more volatile than a rarer stock. But I think there's several promising ones, right, that, They don't belong in a widow's and orphan kind of portfolio, but your desk drawer portfolio, you know, where you've got a few of maybe your rare baseball cards, your brick of antimony, a few gold coins, a few shares of some of these rare earth stocks, you know, stocked in your back pocket. But anyways, that's the big Australia Rare Earth Company, A-R-A-F-F. We'll be right back.
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On a winter's day.
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Dan, welcome back here to the final segment of today's Best Stocks Now show. A very busy day in the market today with a lot of earnings coming out, three big nuclear deals. And I'm not done yet. This one is not nuclear-relatable. Well, it is, because the nuclear has to power what, Barry? It has to power the data centers. And in my humble opinion... It is inferences. Yes, I-M-H-O, in my humble opinion, I believe that Celestica, which we own in our Ultra Growth, and I'll tell you a little story on that stock, I believe it's one of the best data center stocks in the market right now. Certainly one of the fastest growing, okay? If we look at Celestica today... It's up 10.2% on three times normal volume. It's breaking out to a new all-time high. Their sales were up 28% year over year. I mean, look, you could put this up against Procter & Gamble and Johnson & Johnson and AT&T and all the rest of them, Verizon, that are 3%, 4%. And that's just not my cup of tea, okay? I have learned over time and have realized that there's a very strong relationship, a correlation between earnings growth and stock price appreciation. Therefore, I search out superior growth strategies. They don't have to be, you know, 28, 30, 40, 50. But in some of my more aggressive portfolios, the ultra growth, for instance, you know, I'm looking for 20% growers or better. That still makes sense from a valuation point of view. And that's also a big point that I made in the workshops that I taught this past year, that CanSlim is good for finding go-go growth momentum type stocks, but I've added a V. Value, which takes up half of that equation in calculating the final grade that I give to a stock. Valuation is critical. Otherwise, you get into a situation like you got into in 2000 where the valuations just weren't there at all because the earnings weren't there. at least in today's market, which we're reaching and have reached in some cases. A lot of those valuations we hit in the year 2000, but we still have much better quality of earnings and real sales growth and bottom line growth, which we didn't have a lot of back in the year 2000. The ones that did survived, and they're around today, the Amazons. The Microsofts, the Oracles, et cetera, they survived 2000 while many stocks went to zero. Okay, Celestica is right smack dab in the middle of the data center infrastructure build-out. And if we look at the performance of Celestica over the last 10 years, with no guarantees going forward, as this stock steps up to the plate and the pitcher gets ready to throw that first pitch, here's what's on the scoreboard up there. Over the last 10 years, CLS has delivered 39% per year to investors. while the S&P is 23.2%. But this whole data center thing really didn't begin until, what, two or three years ago, I want to say, as AI started to ramp up, as ChatGP came out.
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In reality, it was ChatGPT in March of 2023 that really kind of set this whole craze off.
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Yes, okay. So now the return of this stock have really accelerated. Because now when you look in that five-year average of the stock, you've had a couple of the last two years have just been phenomenal. Over the last five years, CLS has delivered 112% per year. Now that's the average, okay, with no guarantees going forward. We're looking in the rearview mirror. This is the track record. And over the last three years, this talk has delivered 217% per year. I mean, it's almost like this is like obscene. Over the last 12 months, it's up.
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I call it embarrassing.
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Well, I mean, yes, it's almost like how does Johnson & Johnson compete with this? Over the last 12 months, 344% it's up. All right. So, I mean, this is like this is an A-plus performance rate. Performance, however, is one half of the equation because performance looks backward. Valuation looks forward. And I learned early on in my career to do five-year valuations. Now, get this. I mean, when I take where the earnings are at today for Celestica, CLS on the NASDAQ, or actually that's not on the NASDAQ, New York Stock Exchange, I'm using a 16% growth rate going forward over the next five years, which is pretty... You know, pretty subdued. I mean, over the last five years, they've been growing by 42% their earnings. I'm using the consensus estimate out there, which is 16%. I still have a stock with over 80% upside potential. In fact, 90, 90.1. You have to include today. Maybe it's 85% right now. But it still meets all of the criteria that I require. And out of 5,164 stocks that I have to choose from to build my model portfolios out of, it's ranked number 20 overall. Now, I sold Celestica. I made a big gain in it. And I started getting worried about the valuation. I sold it. And after a couple weeks, I regretted selling it and realized that I had made a mistake. You have to be able to do that in the market. And I got back into it. And boy, am I glad I did. It's having a huge day today. So anyways, look, that's just an example. It's not a recommendation. It's just an example. There's the good, there's the bad, and there's the ugly in the market out there. And we try to focus on the good. And Celestica, in my opinion, is one of the best markets. data center infrastructure stocks out there and of course we mentioned several nuclear stocks during the course of this show that also are doing very very well it's a whole brave new world out there let me tell you it's not the world that i entered into in the market back in the late 90s i've seen so much And I've been very happy and it's been a very interesting time in the market. It just gets more interesting by the day. To set up an appointment with us, to talk with us about your portfolio. Man, I've had some bad ones that have transferred into us lately. I had to clean them up. 855-611-BEST. 855-611-BEST. To get four free weeks of all this stuff we talk about. GundersenCapital.com. GundersenCapital.com. Have a great day, everybody.
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And force can obviously be a weapon, but it can be policy and unpredictable and excessive taxation, fear, coercion, government-induced inflation, the World Economic Forum agenda and globalist elites agenda that plays out at the United Nations, this Colorado state legislature with this Colorado governor and all of his bureaucrats. um land use codes zoning regulations comprehensive plans for cities and counties and so it is everywhere one other thing i did want to mention is i am recommending a no vote on these if you live in the south metro fire protection area now we certainly appreciate our firefighters But I think that from what I can see, and I have not done analysis, I reached out to a friend of mine to see if he'd done analysis on revenue. But first and foremost, at the very end of the ballot question, they are asking to de-tabor or de-Bruce. And Bruce, Douglas Bruce was the de-tabor. the driving force behind getting TABOR, Colorado's Taxpayers Bill of Rights, passed by the people of Colorado and put into the Colorado Constitution as an amendment. So as you've seen PBIs on both sides of the aisle, and that's politicians, bureaucrats, and interested parties, that have been trying to do runarounds, TABOR, ever since it was signed. And one of the things, and I did not realize this was happening, so with TABOR, Colorado's Taxpayers Bill of Rights, It's really about three things. It's if PBIs, politicians, bureaucrats, and interested parties want to raise our taxes, they have to ask us. Number two, and we vote on it. Number two, if they're going to incur debt that we, the people, have to pay off, they just have to ask us. And this is the case with the, air quotes, vibrant Denver bonds, is Mike Johnston, mayor of Denver wants to extend bonds that would be paid off. And in extending that, it's a tax increase. That is why it is on your ballot. And we are recommending a no vote on that, no new debt on that. He wants to extend that debt. And we would really end the pay the. probably the payback is double what they're asking for. Just think if everyday people had more money in their own pocket. And if they say no to that Vibrant Denver Bond Package, then people's property taxes will go down in Denver. So we are highly recommending a no on that. But anyway, back to South Metro Fire protection is, oh, the third thing is if a governmental entity collects more in taxes than a very generous formula of inflation plus population growth, they have to return the money back to we the people. And I hadn't understood this. Somebody said, oh, that bond package was debruised. And I didn't understand. And what it is, is they sneak language in there. They say, for example... South Metro Fire says we want to raise taxes $50 million annually. And maybe people can make the case yes or no on that. But at the very end of the ballot question, they are asking to keep all of the revenue or excess revenue, excess taxes that they've collected. And I think that's pretty greedy. So when you have PBIs say that it's the everyday business person that's greedy, the employer, the business owner, ah, wait a minute, I think that it's actually government. And the thing with government is it has force behind it. If you don't pay your taxes, find out what's going to happen. And Jenny had texted me this. I need to find that. She said, when you talk about LL and MM, so those are the two statewide questions. And I have this again in air quotes. It's healthy school meals for all children. It's actually probably a lot of it is padding the pockets of bureaucrats. Maybe there will be some school lunches for kids. But she says, when you talk about LL and MM, mentioned that if you vote no, you will get a refund. If you vote yes, you might as well throw your money in the garbage because that's where the amount of food thrown out is ending up. And she brings up a really interesting point. And when I was a kid, we had an option. We could have a school lunch, we could bring our lunch, or we could go home for lunch. And I would go home for lunch quite often. I would run as fast as I could to get home and then run as fast as I could to get back. Hardly ever packed lunch, but I hated school lunch. And a lot of that food ended up in the garbage. And also, I don't think that it's the proper role of government to be providing lunches for everyone either. And there's already programs that are providing lunches, and there's the National School Lunch Program. So this is LL and MM is just really another tax increase. They're trying to couch it in envy, saying that it'll only be people that make more than $300,000 or more that will have to pay that tax. But as we've seen from experience, government programs typically do not run efficiently. They're filled with bureaucrats who make their make their livings off of our tax dollars. And I would highly recommend a no vote on that. Okay, let's get to the next thing here, and that is our word of the day. And our word is truncated. It's T-R-U-N-C-A-T-E-D. And number one definition could be having the apex cut off and replaced by a plane, especially one parallel to the base, used of a cone or a pyramid. Okay, number two, lacking one or more syllables, especially in the final foot. It says cataleptic. That's probably another word that I need to use for Word of the Day. It could be shortened or reduced. And their example was a truncated version of the story. So truncated is our Word of the Day. It's T-R-U-N-C-A-T-E-D. You should be able to use that in a sentence today. Impress your friends and family with your expanding vocabulary. And our quote of the day, I went to, I was looking for education quotes because we're going to be talking with Rachel O'Brien with Open the Books as our featured guest in hour number two. And they have done an amazing analysis at Open the Books regarding pedagogy. public education and public funding or public school funding. So I thought, OK, I'll look for an education quote. So I found this from John Adams. He said this was in the defense of the Constitution, 1787. And he said, well, and John Adams was born in 1735. He died July 4, 1826, 50 years to the day. after the signing of the Declaration of Independence, he and Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson, died on the same day. Do you not think that God has his hand on history? That's why we have to take such great heart in this time that we're in. It is. I really think it's our third founding of our country. And when we talk with Kevin Lundberg, very serious subject regarding Obama and messing with our elections. So we'll talk with him in just a moment. But John Adams was a founding father, the second president of the United States. He was a leader in the American Revolution. And during the latter part of the Revolutionary War and the early years of the new nation, he served in the Continental Congress as a senior diplomat in Europe. Adams was the first person to hold the office of Vice President of the United States, and he was a dedicated diarist and regularly corresponded with important contemporaries, including his wife and advisor, Abigail Adams, and his friend and rival, Thomas Jefferson. So Adams and Jefferson went through a period where they didn't like each other very much. But the story is that as Adams was on his deathbed and as he knew he was dying, some of his final words were, Jefferson lives, unbeknownst to him that Jefferson died the same day. But this is what John Adams said regarding education. He said, children should be educated and instructed in the principles of freedom. And that is that's not happening in a number of our schools. In fact, let's see if I can find this headline regarding education. I now have so many things on this headlines, but basically it says that many children are in public school now are being trained to be activists and in some cases violent activists. And we've got to get that turned around. One other thing that I thought, this headline was just shocking to me. There is a big race for governor in Virginia between Winsome Sears and I'm not quite sure who the other person is. But anyway, Winsome Sears is a conservative. She's the lieutenant governor in Virginia, and she immigrated from Jamaica and And this is from Fox News. It says man who went viral for heckling Winston Sears with racist comment was dealt another blow after getting fired, says the Fairfax County Police Department said the claims of harassment did not warrant a criminal investigation. And this is just so interesting. So this is a man who went viral during a college football game earlier this month, subsequently filed a police report claiming he was getting harassed after the incident went viral. It says the Fairfax County Police Department confirmed to Fox News Digital that it was aware of the police report that was filed and that ultimately the department's threat assessment unit found that the information provided did not meet the criteria for a criminal investigation. Go back to Haiti, the man from the viral video yelled at Sears, a Republican, during a James Madison University football game earlier this month. Traitor, he yelled out. Well, after the incident, since Sears clarified on social media that she is an immigrant from Jamaica, not Haiti. And then she said, I thought Democrats were supposed to love everyone. She was quipped at the time. Now, again, I always want to make a distinction. These radical activist Democrats that are doing this kind of stuff are not the Democrats of JFK or your grandpa and your grandma. They are radical activists, and most of them are supporting policies to destroy America. And so anyway, the man identified by local news reports as Scott Pogorelk looks like from Centerville, Virginia, was also reportedly fired by his employer, a subsidiary of government contractor Lockheed Martin. It says a JMU football player by the same last name is a red shirt senior on the Duke's offensive line. I don't know why they put that in there. I probably should have read that. Anyway, it says we hold all our employees and subsidiaries to the highest standards of integrity and professional conduct. Any behavior that violates our code of ethics will be thoroughly investigated and employees found in violation will be held accountable. SETA associates investigated the matter, and the individual is no longer employed, said a statement from a Lockheed Martin spokesperson, according to Fox 5 DC reporter Allison Papsom. So anyway, I found that so interesting and really such bad manners. We got to get back to some good manners, I think, in America. But I did want to say thank you to Laramie Energy for their gold sponsorship of the show. It's reliable, efficient, affordable, and abundant power from naturally occurring hydrocarbons from oil, natural gas, and coal that powers our lives, fuels our hopes and dreams, and empowers us to change our own personal climate to be warm in the winter and cool in the summer. And also the Roger Mangan State Farm Insurance Team, another great sponsor of the show. And Roger knows that there are unknowns that can keep you up at night. And so they want to be there to help. And so reach out to them. 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SPEAKER 19 :
And welcome back to the Kim Munson Show. Be sure and check out our website. That is Kim Munson, M-O-N-S-O-N dot com. And we had Jody Henze on yesterday with Men Financial Strategies. And she and Genesis Spines and Jennifer Stenback are all coming together to have a fabulous evening of networking and fun at Women and Wealth. They're bringing the excitement of watercolors, which is a perfect opportunity to build relationships and unwind. It is Friday, November 7th at 5 p.m. It will be in Lone Tree. And they only have 10 spots left, but it sounds like it would be a great event. It is a women-only event. And if you'd like to RSVP, reach out to Jody. And Jody is J-O-D-Y at MintFS.com. So that's Jody at MintFS, like financialstrategies.com. And that looks like that's going to be a great opportunity to connect. So be sure and reach out to Jody. I think it'll be a great evening. I'm very pleased to have on the line with me former state senator and author of the Lundberg Report, Kevin Lundberg. Kevin, welcome to the show.
SPEAKER 07 :
Well, thank you, Kim. It's great being with you.
SPEAKER 19 :
And your Lumberg Report, which you publish on Saturdays at KevinLumberg.com, and you just click on the button for the report, is really informative. But you had something in there that kind of stopped me in my tracks, and I've seen a little bit about this. But this was a post regarding Caroline Leavitt saying, and something that she said at a press conference regarding Obama. It's just shocking to me. So break this down for us.
SPEAKER 07 :
Well, it might be shocking in one level because it was actually mentioned at such an official point. I mean, it was Caroline Levitt, the press secretary for the president, in the press room reporting to the press, talking about Obama. what evidence the FBI did the initial investigation, but then the Department of Justice was taking it up, that President Obama, after the election in 2016, did everything he could to frustrate And I'm using a very gentle term. Forgive me, I don't have it right in front of me here. But to frustrate the efforts of... of Trump in establishing his campaign, not campaign, but his administration. You know, we're used to the fact that during a campaign, you'll hear a lot of charges going back and forth and things that, you know, that sounds somewhat outrageous sometimes. But then after the election, when the dust has settled, then the outgoing president will turns over the reins to the incoming presidents, and there's a peaceful transition of power between those two. Well, that's the lip service that Obama gave. But in fact, they did everything they could to undermine the incoming president, Trump, Again, this is back in, well, technically 2017, after the last few weeks of 2016 and 2017 after the election. And this information really, according to the report that Carolyn Lovett gave, rises to the point of, I didn't use the word treason, but To the point of illegality, I'll simply put it that way.
SPEAKER 19 :
Yeah, I think she called it. This is pretty strong words. She said he was part of a seditious conspiracy.
SPEAKER 07 :
Yeah, that's that's pretty significant. Now, again, you hear a lot of rhetoric that flies back and forth during campaigns. And we've seen a lot of evidence of something like that happening. But for it to be stated in the context that it was. means they're pretty serious about this and I wanted to give my readers a heads up that because I've heard a lot of people I was in an event over in Summit County last night and somebody was complaining about the Secretary of Education just wasn't moving fast enough to make changes and I You know, we've got a lot of problems in education here in Colorado. You were even making some reference to that earlier in the program. And this person was just really frustrated that they weren't doing enough to try to correct some of the significant problems we have here in Colorado in our education system. But if you look at it from the angle of being in that seat of power, It's really difficult to get everything in order if you're going to officially, especially if you're going to turn it over to the Department of Justice. They want to have all the information available, and it needs to be rock-solid evidence that an actual crime has been committed. Well, that's what this report was stating. Mm-hmm. one reason i i put it in my because i don't try to just repeat news that everybody's heard i i try to put in things that that i believe are accurate but got ignored by the press and that's really what happened here and and i didn't put a lot of comment on it because i just wanted to stand on its own but i do urge people to go back to the newsletter that I published, which, again, is right on my website, KevinLundberg.com. Click on Lundberg Report. You're right there. And all the way at past editions or, you know, recent past editions are there if you just scroll down. But this one needs to stand on its own, and people need to listen to this and pay attention to it and keep your eyes open as to what's happening next. It's not a call to any action of any sort. That's in the official – duties of the administration, most particularly at this point, the Department of Justice. But these are serious, serious charges against a president of the United States not willingly turning power over to the next guy.
SPEAKER 19 :
Yes. And so this is going to get very interesting. And I'm wondering, Kevin Lundberg, as we have seen all of this coverage regarding and getting people pretty whipped up regarding Trump and he demolishing the East Wing and. putting in a big ballroom, and CNN had been reporting on it a lot, and people really, I think some people have really reacted to it. I am wondering what is going to happen as the... more information comes out regarding Obama and company on this, because there will be those that, well, I think that may be why they're trying to whip up more, or it appears like the No Kings Day, and just trying to whip people up a lot more. And so I want to take their focus off of these kinds of reports. So I think, you know what, we're just about to break. So I think I'll pose that question. Let's go to a break and then let Kevin respond to that. What we may be seeing here in America in light of this really amazing press conference. And these discussions happen because we have wonderful sponsors. And for everything residential real estate, reach out to Karen Levine.
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And welcome back to The Kim Munson Show. Be sure and check out our website. That is KimMunson, M-O-N-S-O-N.com. And another sponsor of The Kim Munson Show and America's Veterans Stories is Hooters Restaurants. They have locations in Loveland, Westminster and in Aurora on Parker Road. Great specials Monday through Friday for lunch was over there last week with Kurt Gerwitz and they have wonderful nachos and enough that I brought them home and I had some for lunch yesterday. But they have been sponsors of the show. I got to know them when I was on city council. And it's a very important story about freedom and free markets and capitalism. and PBIs, politicians, bureaucrats, and interested parties that want to tax us and control our lives. And so I really do appreciate them as a sponsor of the show. And on the line with me is Kevin Lundberg, and he is a former Colorado State Senator. He is the author of the Lundberg Report, which you can find at Kevin Lundberg, that's L-U-N-D-B-E-R-G dot com. And he publishes on Saturdays. And he had something that he published which took my breath away. And this was regarding a press conference by United States Press Secretary Caroline Leavitt, where she said, now nearly 10 years later, thanks to the declassification of documents by the Director of National Intelligence, Tulsi Gabbard, the truth has finally come to light and vindicates President Trump and his family. Barack Hussein Obama attempted to overthrow the Constitutional Republic of the United States in 2016 as part of a seditious conspiracy, overthrew it in 2020 to cover it up, and now he's been caught. This takes my breath away. She's not going to say things like this unless they've got some real solid proof, Kevin Lundberg. And what I'm concerned about is that the radical activist left is ramping up distractions to try to discount this. And so what do you what do you see about what do you think about that?
SPEAKER 07 :
Well, obviously, they're going to try to do that. And the first step, I think we can see quite a bit, and that is this incredible story is not really treated as an important story. And, of course, as I said at the beginning, it doesn't really surprise me that all this occurred because you could see it. It's just that you needed the evidence for it to be there. And let me point out another thing. It's fascinating. Yes, I'd forgotten that Tulsi Gabbard's organizational... efforts there um were an important part of that you know back in 2016 she was a democrat in and i think she was in congress at that point or or um maybe she hadn't gotten there quite then i don't know but around there and um and here she is uncovering the truth because she's really fearlessly doing this well let me take you back in history a little bit because there was another um It's a thing that was treated as sort of a very similar scandal. Only my point I'm going to make is that it wasn't that big a deal compared to what we're talking about here. And that's that's back in the days of Richard Nixon and the scandals called Watergate. And it's so significant that anything that's a scandal is now something gate. Why? Well, because Watergate was treated that seriously and it took down the presidency for Richard M. Nixon. What was it? It was. An illegal action taken on the part of some of Nixon's operatives, and they broke into an office in the Watergate, which is a big building in Washington, D.C., into the Democrat headquarters and rifled through some of their stuff and sold some of their information during campaign. And that's it. Now, then after that, they tried to cover it up, and so that became part of the story as well. But that's it. It wasn't an attempt to overthrow the legal and proper transfer of power from one president to the next. um it it was a dirty deed and you know a lot of the people who were involved in that admitted it later and many went to prison over it um but what we see right now is no outrage no no concern um however i'll also say this the wheels of justice turn very slowly yes they do so We will see what comes of all this. I tried not to make much comment on it in my report, just to direct people. Admittedly, it was a direction to an ex-post, which you have to always take that with a grain of salt, except for the fact that that the actual video of this press conference is within that. Scroll down just a little bit, and there is Carolyn Leavitt speaking these words, and no one has said, no, no, that didn't happen. No, it happened, and this report was given, and as you read it, that's accurately what was said, and I think we're going to see some significant things come out of it. How far it goes, I don't know. But I hope it goes far enough that people recognize that there is some real truth in what occurred, truth on the reports. In other words, they're accurate. And this should never happen again. And as a point of reference, when Trump was, you know, We'll not talk about the election itself, but when Trump was exchanging power to the Biden administration, he cooperated. He did that. You know, I mean, there's so much... discussion about January 6th and how, yeah, he wasn't going to do that. Well, he did, though. This is the point. And there's no evidence that he tried to undermine the Biden administration. Yeah, he tried to point out the deficiencies, but But as far as that mechanism of exchanging power, of handing things off to the next administration, that occurred.
SPEAKER 19 :
So this came in on the text line. Thank you, Yvonne. And that is Obamagate. That's what we may be looking at here now is Obamagate. You probably heard it first here. And thank you for Yvonne on that. So there's another reference in here that I wanted to connect the dots. And this is from this ex post that you have at. KevinLumberg.com, and it's in this week's Lumberg Report, so people can go and click on that. And as you mentioned, the video of Caroline Levitt is in there as well. But it says, and Perkins Coy, including Mark Elias, manufactured the Russian collusion conspiracy hoax, a seditious conspiracy with the sole intent to topple the United States government during the 2016 presidential election, and Christopher Wray. There is a dot that somebody had mentioned this to me, and I had tried to source it, and this was a while back, and I hadn't found anything. And then Ash Epp had published this at the Rocky Mountain Voice. It says shake up at the Colorado Department of State. Excuse me. The secretary of state's office is a Perkins Coie alumni who's now running Colorado's elections. So Ash goes on to say this. And this was published back in. Hold on here. March, March 27th, 2025. And I only just found this this morning when I was looking for it. But someone had told me that Christopher Beale. who had been the Deputy Secretary of State, had left the office and that, I think it's a guy named Andrew Klein with Perkins Coie, had taken his place. And so, Kevin, I had gone on the Secretary of State's website and I was trying to find Andrew Klein's name. I couldn't find it, couldn't find it. And but anyway, this is a very interesting what Ash had to say. She said, and again, this was back in March, says on Wednesday, the secretary of state issued a much anticipated response to President Trump's election integrity executive order. And then it has her response on that. It says Jenna hasn't posted on X since November and the department has been quiet. Hence the much anticipated billing. The release fell flat, but the header information is news. The deputy secretary of state is listed as Andrew Klein, and Ash asks what happened to Christopher Beale. And so that was good sleuthing on her part to notice that, and that was on that news release. She says there's been no official announcement that former deputy secretary Christopher Beale had left the department, and she says that it is an explosive development. So I think this is really huge to connect the dot that the law firm that worked closely with Obama, now one of their guys is the Deputy Secretary of State here in Colorado. And my ear to the ground regarding Christopher Beal was that he was really the one that was running the Secretary of State's office, not Jenna Griswold, and that he... I'll leave it at that. I'll just leave it at that. Your comments on that, Kevin.
SPEAKER 07 :
Well, let me say this. That is often the case. I ran for Colorado State Treasurer back in 2018, and one of the things I did was my research on how that office was run. And the treasurer... It really doesn't do a lot of work in their office. Yeah, they ultimately are the ones who hold the power and official control, but it's generally somebody behind the scenes who is responsible running the shop basically and that's where the real mechanisms happen you know that's where you hire and fire people and you direct them to do this or that and doesn't surprise me at all that that is a very possibly what's happening in the secretary of state's office as well some of it's inevitable because they've got a lot of responsibilities but um oftentimes it becomes sort of a I don't want to say a figurehead who's elected, but on a day-to-day basis, it can easily become that, especially if you have some agendas, you might say. You know, I'm not trying to complain that the elected officials... Representatives. yeah well that that they hire people because that is their job but you do have to kind of look deep under the covers to figure out who's really in charge of what and oftentimes especially when the you know the higher levels of government there are a lot of levers that can be moved this way or that way to influence a lot of other people and and Sometimes the bureaucracy is more at fault than the actual, you know, person that we thought we elected to to run the show now i'm not going to hold jenna griswold um harmless on all of this because she's been so public and up front on everything that anything that happened in her office she needs to be responsible for and if there are other people that are as well then they need to stand beside her in that responsibility OK, it's it's part of a very deep web that's kind of unraveling very slowly. And, you know, you might even use this as a gauge if the press doesn't want to pay attention to it. Maybe there's more there than we think.
SPEAKER 19 :
Well, and one of our listeners texted me at 720-605-0647. They asked what the date was for that press conference. When you go to KevinLumberg.com, click on the Lumberg Report, then he has the link to this X post. And it does have Caroline Lovett, her press conference. It says last edited on October 19, 2025. I'm not sure that that was it. I just tried to do a quick search on it, and of course...
SPEAKER 07 :
Yeah, yeah. I couldn't find that. I don't remember directly either, but it was very recent that all that occurred. It wasn't a, you know, that's another thing you have to pay attention to is, is this old news or new news? Yeah. Yeah.
SPEAKER 19 :
So this is new. And you know what? I've gotten burned on that before when something's been posted and I'm thinking it's new news because it just was posted. But sometimes they dredge up some of this old stuff as well. And so you really do have to look at the... the dates on those press conferences. We're going to continue the discussion with Kevin Lundberg. And again, I'd highly recommend that you add the Lundberg report into your repertoire as a trusted source when you're looking at what's going on, not only in Colorado, but in the nation. Colorado is at the tip of the spear. And the fact that they have Andrew Klein now as the Deputy Secretary of State here in Colorado, Secretary of State's office, handles our elections, I think is a key point. And he is a Perkins Coie alumni. That is a very important dot to connect. And so we will continue the discussion. But before we do that, I can't believe that November is right around the corner. And that means that Veterans Day, November 11th, is right around the corner as well. And the USMC Memorial Foundation will be hosting an event in honor of Veterans Day on Saturday the 8th at 2 o'clock out at the memorial. And you can get more information about that by going to usmcmemorialfoundation.org. That's usmcmemorialfoundation.org. And I appreciate all of our sponsors. And we'll talk with him in the next hour. And that is John Bozen with Bozen Law.
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And welcome back to the Kim Munson Show. Be sure and check out our website. That is Kim Munson, M-O-N-S-O-N.com. While you're there, download our voter's guide, which I hope is a great tool for you as you are completing your ballot. Ballots are due back a week from today on November 4th by 7 o'clock. And a great source for school board races is transformcolorado.org. That should be very helpful there as well. And I did want to mention the Center for American Values, which is located in Pueblo. And Drew Dix, who is a co-founder of the center, also a Medal of Honor recipient, and vast life experiences and perspective, started a new podcast series. And I would recommend that you add that into your repertoire as well as you are trying to stay informed on these important issues. So listen to Drew Dix's podcast. You can find that at AmericanValueCenter.org. Be sure and check out Kevin Lumberg's Lumberg Report every Saturday. And, of course, listen to The Kim Munson Show Monday through Friday on a regular basis. Okay, we're talking about... election, we're talking about this press conference by Caroline Levitt, basically accusing Obama of seditious conspiracy. And elections truly, truly matter. And you have highlighted this in your Lumberg report this last Saturday, that John Case, Tina Peter's attorney, is calling for Colorado's election equipment to be scrapped. That's a pretty bold statement, Kevin Lumberg.
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Well, that's quite true, and I know John quite well. He is one of his clients is Tina Peters, which he has tried to defend when she had her trial, and he continues to work on appeals and all the legal things there. He's stayed pretty close to all this process, and He has come to the conclusion that the election process here in Colorado is not redeemable, that it's a terrible example of how not to do elections and how to set up systems that are – that can – fraud can occur at so many levels. And, yeah, he came out with a pretty bold – that was published in the Rock and Roll The Voice this last week. And so I passed on the link to that, essentially, where he lays it out on the line. And he's been doing a lot of research, a lot of on-the-ground research You know, checking into this and talking to other people. I know I helped him out on a press conference that we held last spring at the Capitol on this subject of the equipment, the election, the electronic equipment. There was several people studied it and came to the conclusion that this stuff is just fraught with problems. venezuelan election officials and this is where the basic software was first developed and they say straight up they say two things one if anybody knows who we are so they they remain anonymous but but nonetheless uh sworn statements that they're speaking the truth we said our our our health and safety would be in jeopardy. You can understand that because they said this stuff was designed to cheat with. And it's been done in multiple countries.
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So Kevin, there was a recent, something happened with Tina Peters' case regarding there was some kind of hearing or something brought before the judge regarding Venezuela. I think Jenny had texted me on it. Are you familiar with what happened? I think it was within the last couple of weeks.
SPEAKER 07 :
I'm not sure I can give you an accurate information to know precisely here. Right now, they've been pursuing a couple of lines. One is to appeal to the governor to pardon Tina because there was such a miscarriage of justice with her actual court case. The Department of Justice, the U.S. Department of Justice, is looking into this pretty deeply, too, by direction of the president. And the attorney general, Pam Bondi, issued a statement that said, you know, we're looking closely. I think this is another one of those slow wheels of justice that's moving. But it's showing that there are a lot of things under the covers that need to be looked at. And anybody who is actively engaged in government or running for office here in Colorado who doesn't understand this needs to do their homework or people need to question them more fully on why don't you think Tina Peters is innocent of of what she's been in prison for.
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So, Kevin, you were at the Northern Colorado GOP Governor's Forum, and you presented, and I moderated that, and one of the questions that we asked was, if elected governor, would you pardon Tina Peters? And everybody but one of the candidates was an emphatic, yes, they would. I thought that was super interesting.
SPEAKER 07 :
Yes, it was. Yes, it was. And that one who I think we're not naming at this moment, at least you're not, is had better do her homework. Let me just put it that way. And you go look at the list and figure out who I'm talking about.
SPEAKER 19 :
Okay, very sneaky there, Kevin Lundberg, very sneaky on that one. So John Case has called for the governor to scrap these machines. They're not going to do that. How can we get some teeth behind it?
SPEAKER 07 :
Well, there is, out of our hands directly, and I think it is in the hands of the federal government, that needs to ensure that elections are held correctly. in a fair and accurate fashion. Yes, the state legislatures are charged with providing or determining the means and the place for elections, but the federal government needs to ensure that the people elected to Congress are done by the people, not by some shenanigans pulled off by some fraudulent activities. And there's just too much evidence that that has increased greatly. And I'd say particularly here in Colorado. And Therefore, that's where I'm waiting for more shoes to fall. And it's going to have to happen quickly because elections are just right around the corner. Well, they are. And I really. Yeah.
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Yeah, I was hoping that we would have had something done for this 2025 election, but that's not the case. And the two lawsuits that our listeners raised the money for, those are working their way through the halls of justice as well. Kevin Lumberg, as always, I so appreciate it. We'll talk to you in a couple of weeks. Keep up the great work. And again, where can people find that Lumberg report?
SPEAKER 07 :
Kevin Lundberg dot com. That'll get you there.
SPEAKER 19 :
OK, Kevin, have a great day. Keep up the great work. We'll talk soon.
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Thank you. Goodbye.
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And our quote for the end of the show, I went to John Adams and this is what he said. Let me get to what's one more paper here. Hold on here. Can't too many here. Here we go. He said, always stand on principle, even if you stand alone. So, again, John Adams says, always stand on principle. even if you stand alone and over time it'll all work out just fine it may seem difficult when you are standing there alone but it will work out i promise and so does god so today my friends be grateful read great books think good thoughts listen to beautiful music communicate and listen well live honestly and authentically strive for high ideals and like superman stand for truth justice in the american way my friends you are not alone god bless you God bless America. Stay tuned for our number two.
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Indeed, let's have a conversation. And welcome to our number two of the Kim Munson Show. If you missed our number one, you will want to make sure that you listen to it today, one to two in the afternoon. Or tomorrow, you should be able to get it on my website, as well as the streaming services such as Spotify and iTunes. A really interesting conversation with Kevin Lundberg. And so, again, thank you for joining us. You each are treasured and you're valued. You have purpose. Today, strive for excellence. Take care of your heart, your soul, your mind, and your body, my friends. We were made for this moment in history. And thank you to the team, Producer Joe, Luke, Rachel, Zach, Echo, Charlie, Mike, Teresa, Amanda, and all the people here at Crawford Broadcasting. Producer Joe, behind the boards, bringing all this information to the airwaves. I really appreciate you.
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You're hardly ever speechless, Joe. I didn't mean to throw you a curveball on that, but thank you. I really do appreciate it, and happy Tuesday to everyone out there. Check out my website. That's kimmunson.com. Make sure that you are signed up for our weekly email newsletter, which goes out on Sundays, highlighting our upcoming guests as well as our most recent essays. While you're there, and recommend this to your friends and family as well, download my voter's guide. There's a red ribbon at the top. I analyze the two statewide issues as well as the Denver issues and then have resources for you to reach your county clerk and also a resource from Colorado Municipal League on many of the questions that are on ballots today. out there, which some of them, Fort Collins is out of its mind, I will tell you, with some of the stuff that they're asking of the voters. I would imagine you could probably say no to most all that and you'd be just fine. So anyway, check that out at my website. It's important that you be an informed voter, not an influenced voter. The consultants on both sides of the aisle paid big money to try to influence you, to sway you to go one way or another. But look at things on principle. and uh and vote accordingly and not emotion and not passion as you know we search for truth and clarity by looking at these issues through the lens of freedom versus force force versus freedom if something's a good idea you should not have to force people to do it and we are an independent voice on an independent station and uh we it all happens because of our sponsors and i always like to say thank you to laramie energy for their goal sponsorship of the show because it's reliable, efficient, affordable, and abundant power from naturally occurring hydrocarbons from oil, natural gas, and coal. It powers our lives, fuels our hopes and dreams, and empowers us to change our own personal climate to be warm in the winter and cool in the summer. And so thank you to Laramie Energy. Our word of the day is truncated, and it's spelled T-R-U-N-C-A-T-E-D, And it's an adjective. It could be, number one, having the apex cut off and replaced by a plane, especially when parallel to the base used of a cone or a pyramid. Number two, lacking one or more syllables, especially in the final foot, catalytic. And number three, could be shortened or reduced. And the example in this, again, these definitions are from the American Heritage Dictionary, said a truncated version of the story. So it would be a shortened version of the story. We will be talking with Rachel O'Brien. with Open the Books here as our featured guest this hour. And they have done a really interesting analysis on results in public education and spending in public education. And so I thought, well, I'd like to do an education quote. So I went to John Adams, born in 1735, died in 1826. He was one of our founding fathers. He was also the second president of the United States. And this was something that he had written in defense of the Constitution in 1787. He said, children should be educated and instructed in the principles of freedom. So let's think about that. In many of the classrooms now, children are being educated and instructed in transgenderism. And the founding fathers could never have believed what would be going on in public education these days. So again, John Adams said children should be educated and instructed in the principles of freedom. Next thing, well, first of all, thank you to all of your text messages. So I know I danced around who did not emphatically say yes that they would pardon Tina Peters if they were elected governor of Colorado. And I danced around who the one person was that did not emphatically say yes. She said it would be depending on the evidence. And, okay, I'll say it was Barbara Kirkmeyer that said that. So that is the first thing. Let's see, there was something else. Okay, Gammy had said, I had that question regarding the Venezuela hearing. And she said... Okay, it was an algorithmic theft of votes. The data was given to the DOJ, and the judge ruled that the data was not relevant to let Tina out on bond while appealing just a First Amendment situation. I just can't believe what's going on there. So thank you, Gammy, for keeping me in the loop. The loop on that. Let's see. I named the name. Next thing here is this is from Sandra said regarding Tina Peters and her attorney, John Case. Case reported that there are two Venezuelan whistleblowers confessing to the rigged voting machines. So this is all really interesting information. The truth will come out. We'll continue to search for that truth. So thank you for that on that as well. And then one other thing I wanted to just mention. Yesterday, Brandon Wark and I were talking about Hunger Free Colorado, which this organization, as Brandon had uncovered, well, he and I think it was others had uncovered that they had actually put money into the campaigns to get us to vote for LL and MM, which are those statewide issues. And so I did a little work. I went to the 990 of Hunger Free Colorado, and it said it has funded 144 grants to 74 recipients, received 329 grants from 102 grant makers. Then the next thing is I did find that the CEO was making a base salary of $130,000. Hold on here just a second. Oh, darn it. Here we go, 130,000 plus. And then the other thing, this is what I uncovered, this was shocking to me, is that they are spending big bucks on lobbying. You have to wonder, what is a nonprofit doing lobbying? And so it says, lobbying non-taxable amount for the years 2019 to 2022 was almost $1.8 million. I think you could probably put a lot of meals out there for $1.8 million. And that's Hunger Free Colorado. And they are trying to get people to vote for LL and MM. And so, wow, that is something. So John Bozen is on the line. John is a great sponsor of the show. Boy, we're uncovering all kinds of great information, John Bozen, here on the Kim Munson Show today.
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Oh, absolutely. And... The truth will eventually see the light of day. It just gets a little frustrating waiting sometimes, you know?
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It does, but that's why we are doing this Monday through Friday every day. But over on your business, I've got a question. If somebody's been injured in an accident due to someone else's negligence or injured while working, they should call Bozen Law, but some people just say, well, why can't they just work with an insurance adjuster? So what would you say to that?
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Oh my goodness. How much time do we have?
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We're going to have to do a show on this probably.
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The short and simple answer is insurance companies are in it to make money. Insurance adjusters are often incentivized, given bonuses, on their average claims. So if they can minimize claims... They're going to do it because there's incentive for them to do so. I want to say there's some good insurance adjusters out there. I've met them. They want to do the right thing, but they are extremely rare. Insurance companies are in it to make money. And any opportunity most insurance adjusters or employers, if they're self-insured, any opportunity they have to get a claim dismissed, That means the injured party gets nothing, or to minimize it or discount it, they're going to take advantage of that. And insurance adjusters know how the game is played. It's a very serious game, but they're going to play it to win. And that simply means they're going to do whatever they can to minimize what is paid out on a legitimate claim to an injured party.
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So that's why a call to John Bozen, Bozen Law, is important if you have been injured, because you'll have a consultation, and if it's a fit and you take the case on a contingency basis, it's good then to have you on the injured person's side of the table, John.
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Oh, it's a little bit better than good. It's going to make all the difference for folks. And I tell folks, too... When I speak, when I talk with others, give me a phone call because that one phone call and the initial advice I give, even if we don't go forward as a team and represent the injured party, is going to more often than not make all the difference. It will save folks from making horrendous mistakes on the front end of a claim. There's so much advice. with that initial phone call, it's all super important, critical advice. It's somebody here. Or if a mother's calling for a son or a daughter or a father's calling or you're calling for somebody else that can't make that phone call, I'm going to talk to you and you're going to relay that information to that person and it's going to make the difference. Every week I talk to somebody that... You know, let their claim go on without competent, aggressive representation for a year, year and a half. And I just kind of roll my eyes when I start the conversation because I know they're going to have made mistakes because they don't know.
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Right.
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Calling me, Bozen Law, 303-999-9999. It's about starting that education process, getting that initial information that will make a difference.
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And again, John Bozen and Bozen Law, that number is 303-999-9999. John, we will talk again next week. And keep up the great work.
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You too, Kim. Keep that voice loud and strong.
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And welcome back to the Kim Munson Show. Be sure and check out our website. That is Kim Munson, M-O-N-S-O-N.com. Sign up for our weekly email newsletter. And while you're there at the website, download my voter's guide. We analyze the two statewide issues, which we are emphatic no's on that. And then also the five debt package questions on the Denver ballot also provided the county clerk's phone numbers for reference if you want to reach out to them with any questions to get contact information for candidates. For school board candidates, a great resource is transformcolorado.org. And they did surveys on almost all of the school board races online. with the candidates, and it's very telling. You should be able to use that for some great research as well. I'm very pleased to have on the line with me Rachel O'Brien, and she is the Deputy Policy Director for Open the Books, and they have a really incredible analysis that's just come out. Rachel, welcome to the show. Thanks for having me back, Kim. So this piece is titled The Public School Crisis, Higher Payrolls Associated with Worse Student Performance. And that's what we always see is when the school districts are asking for more money, they're saying that if they have more money, that we're going to get better performance. But you've uncovered that's not the case many times.
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Right. They say this like it's magic. Just give us more money. And we looked at the data and we found, unfortunately, that's not the case. There's always that assumption that more funding means better student outcomes. So we reviewed, we had opened the books, we reviewed thousands of school districts and we actually found that as pay for teachers and administrators increased, student test scores dropped. And so we calculated how much each state increased its total public school payroll between 2019 and 2023. And we compare that number to the change in each state's ranking by the National Assessment of Educational Progress, the NAEP. They measure reading and math schools for fourth and eighth graders. So, in layman's terms, what happened is, you know, schools were increasing their payroll, we found. And the scores were simply not keeping pace in many cases. You know... There's, there's little to no correlation between an increase in spending, um, and how, how the schools did. I mean, we can look at your city of Denver. Um, so the rankings are obviously they're relative to other cities or states. So if your city or state ranking goes up and others goes down, um, Denver, the, the fourth grade math score fell a few points between 19 and 23. The fourth grade media reading stayed just about the same. Eighth grade math scores also fell a few points and eighth grade reading is the only one that improved by a single point. Um, but the city actually improved its ranking. It was ranked eight in 2019 and it was ranked, uh, seven in 2024. Actually the rankings came out in 2024, um, Colorado, they were ranked five in 2024. That's a huge jump from the nine. They were ranked in 2019. Um, And so when we looked at spending, especially the places where spending is very low, those are some of the places that are doing actually having some of the best grades come from their students. And we're talking about these standardized tests. which are a debate in and of themselves, right? We hear from parents and teachers and students whether these standardized tests for 14th graders are good or not. But this is the data we have, right? This is what we have from the NAEP. You know, there were actually six states that increased their school payrolls by at least 23%. from 2019 to 2023, Virginia, Vermont, Oregon, Missouri, all saw their student performance decrease even after spending 23% more. New Mexico saw no change. Only Utah, which spent more than 23%, moved up slightly in the national assessment rankings. And so we saw the converse in many cases. We saw Miami-Dade County Public Schools in Florida. They had the second-best exam scores in 2024, while just spending $6,400 per student on payroll. That's the fifth lowest. among the country's 25 largest cities. There's this list of 25 largest cities that NAEP puts out, and they sort of compare and contrast. Very low spending there. Same also in Florida, Hillborough County students. They had the fifth best exam scores, and the district only spent $5,300 on payroll per student, the second lowest in these cities. So we just found that there's not much correlation based on how much you spend.
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So, and I think you highlighted Baltimore in here. I remember I had looked at Baltimore a few years ago because their results were terrible for their students. But they, at that time, were one of the top per pupil spending in the country. And I'm trying to find it in your piece here, which is at Open the Books. But, guys, do you remember what that amount is right there? Do you have that in front?
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Absolutely. Yeah, I'll be happy to go over it. So, I mean, in 2019... Baltimore, comparing among the 25 largest cities, they were ranked 22, right? So almost right at the very bottom. By 2024, they had increased their salaries by 43%, but the student exam stores still ranked 22nd. Now, the problem that we're seeing that we're attributing to or likely attributing this problem to is administrative bloat. We're not suggesting that increasing teacher pay causes students to do poorly. We're not talking about causation, right? There is a correlation in the spending going up. Studies have actually found that the relationship between increased spending for teachers and student outcome is minimal. So it is minimal, but it's minimally in the positive direction, not the negative direction that we're seeing. What we are seeing is administrative pay has continued to climb, not only for individual administrators, but the number of administrators. So we call this administrative bloat. The number of non-teaching staff in U.S. schools have increased by over 700% since the 1950s. While if you look at... And then in more modern days, from 2010 to 2022, it rose by another 41%, but teachers' employment only rose by 10%. So they're hiring many, many more administrators, and they're paying them very well. So we found over 8,800 public school employers across the country. They earn salaries of at least $200,000. California has over 2,700. New York has over 1,500. But California students ranked 43rd. New York students ranked 31st. Very highly paid. So Baltimore, you asked about Baltimore. They have the same problem there with administrative bloat. Less than half of the 13,000 employees on Baltimore City Schools payroll are listed as teachers or principals. That means the other half. Now there's some janitors and support staff and things like that. There's a striking number of these sort of new nebulous roles. Including people with the same job, we found the senior executive director of equity makes $215,000. There's also a director of equity, a director of equity-centered principal development. There's five educational specialists of equity and a staff associate of equity. Those aren't teachers. They're not affecting change in the classroom, right? you have the school district also has two directors of environmental health. They're each earning over 160,000. They have a senior project manager for environmental compliance, a supervisor for environmental compliance, and it goes on and on with these roles. Um, they're not teaching students, right? They're not teaching students how to read or how to write. Um, and then staff benefits, staff benefits aren't even included in our payroll figures, but they're a huge part of the, of the school spending. Um, Per pupil spending in the US increased by about 21% from 2002 to 2019 but 64% of that was used to pay benefits. So this all comes down to the importance of analyzing not how much is spent per student, but on what.
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Well, yeah. And so looking at that, you said per pupil spending is $12,520. So let's figure just a class of 20, which many times classes are bigger than that. But that means that there's $250,000 floating around for those 20 students. And we know that the teachers are not getting paid. the bulk of that pay. And so I think it's important that we ask that question. So if, in fact, it's a class of 30, well, that gets you up to, what, 125, 250, so 375,000. per class of 30 and and so we're not getting our money's worth this is this is groundbreaking what you've done on this uh at open the books on this rachel o'brien we're going to continue the discussion we have these discussions because of our sponsors and uh for every i so appreciate the second syndicate for the work that they're doing to bring voices together to protect our second amendment which will help make our communities and our schools safer
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And welcome back to The Kim Munson Show. Check out our website. That's kimmunson.com. While you are there, download our voter's guide. You can just click on that red ribbon at the top of the website and put in your name and your email. We'll send you a link for that. Yesterday, we had Jody Henze on the show for her biweekly update. And she is with Mint Financial Strategies. And they are hosting a fabulous evening of networking and fun at Women and Wealth. And And this time they're bringing, they said the excitement of watercolors, which is a perfect opportunity to build relationships and unwind. It will be on Friday, November 7th, 5 p.m. in the Lone Tree area. If you would like to RSVP, you can RSVP by going to Jody at MintFS.com. So Jody is J-O-D-Y at Mint, M-I-N-T-F-S, so like MintFinancialStrategies.com. They only have a few spots left. So if that's something that you want to do, be sure and make your reservation now. And then also Veterans Day is right around the corner. So a week from Saturday, the USMC Memorial Foundation will be hosting an event at the Marine Memorial at 6th and Colfax in honor of Veterans Day, which Veterans Day is November 11th. And it's at 2 o'clock. For more information, you can go to usmcmemorialfoundation.org, usmcmemorialfoundation.org. We are talking with Rachel O'Brien. She's the Deputy Policy Director at Open the Books about just an amazing report that they have released regarding... results of education of our kids learning how to rewrite and do arithmetic, and school funding. And this is a powerful piece. You can find it at Open the Books Substack, and that's OpenTheBooksSubstack.com. Rachel O'Brien, another school district that you talked about in the piece is the Portland Public Schools, which is Maine's largest school district. So tell us a little bit about that.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah, that was exactly Maine's largest school district. Still pretty small compared to some other school districts in major cities, right? In 2023, the school district paid six-figure salaries to 30 people. But just one year later, 137 people made six figures. Wow. only 60 of them were teachers, right? So this goes back to the administrative bloat. The others were mostly principals or administrators, like the executive director of equity and belonging and the director of social and emotional learning, many of whom get large raises, more than $10,000 every single year, certainly far more than teachers get. So we see this a lot, right? We talked about this increase in administrators and i think it's the number of 700 percent um the number of administrators increased by 700 since the 50s um while teachers is something far lower like you know 200 percent and so this is the problem we're seeing um when you go from city to city to city um uh we talked about baltimore if you also look in maryland They made historic investments in education. They have a 10-year, $30 billion, they call it blueprint for Maryland's future. But the plan that has put such a strain on city and county finances that, you know, a local legislator there, Justice Sanko, he recently called it the blueprint to bankrupt Maryland's future. And, of course, student improvement has yet to improve, even student test, rather, test scores have yet to improve, even with this large investment. Right. In fact, since the bill was first discussed in 2019, they're in the midst of, you know, spending this money. Maryland's ranking on these exams have actually dropped eight spots. And so, you know, we see it time and time again, unfortunately, where the investments that are being made are not the right investments, right? They're not being invested properly. in the students, in teaching the students, and looking at, you know, going to the heart of the matter and why they're not learning, right? We know COVID had really a very negative impact on students who were kicked out of schools for a long time. They had this delay. Once they got back, it took a while to get them back. We are, in terms of where they were before COVID closed schools, depending on which state they were in and how long they were out of school. And so that is also a curve that is sort of something that these students are fighting against to get back to where they started. And it doesn't help adding more administrators. They don't need an executive director of equity and belonging or a director of social and emotional learning. They need more teachers. They need better trained teachers. They need teachers who know how to reach them. And so we're unfortunately probably going to continue seeing a lot of this. As I said, there is hope. We are seeing some, you know, of course, districts are improving. Denver, you know, they again, they improved their ranking number seven among the largest cities, 25 largest cities and a couple of schools in Florida. We mentioned the Miami-Dade and Hillsborough schools. They're doing very well, spending very little. So there is some hope yet.
SPEAKER 19 :
So and this improvement, I do want to make sure that people understand that we have a long way to go. The results have been just pretty darn crummy. And I was trying to see if I could get to that. But we have school districts in Colorado where only 30 percent, sometimes less, sometimes a little bit more, I think one of the best school districts is 50 percent of kids are proficient. Right. So you're telling me we spend all this money and we have kids. We have 70 percent of the kids cannot read and write and do arithmetic at grade level. There's something wrong with this picture, Rachel O'Brien. So even if somebody has moved up, then we also have to look at what are the real results as well. So I know you're doing the comparison of these different school districts, but it's pretty dismal in a lot of these school districts throughout the country as far as kids learning how to read and write and do arithmetic.
SPEAKER 04 :
For sure, right. Yeah, this is not to say that we don't have major problems. As you're saying, you have less than half, in many cases, students who can read and write well. and do math at their grade level. Obviously, very, very big problem. So the improvements that are gained, those are small victories for those school districts, but a lot more needs to be done. If my child was in a school and he could not read and he could not write and he could not do math, and the rest of his class also couldn't, you know, I would think long and hard about moving into a new school. That's not always something people can do, right? You have these districts that don't really offer that, that don't really offer any choice to, you know, help your child. And so, yeah, there's really no reckoning for these districts that are not providing these services for these students.
SPEAKER 19 :
Well, and that's why we have to start to cut the money off on all of these different debt packages and tax increases. So, Rachel O'Brien, I just did a quick search, and this came up, just a headline from the Denver Post, August 21, 2025. It said, at Denver Public Schools, the state's largest school district, 41.9% of students across grades met or exceeded expectations in English language arts, and 32.9% showed proficiency in math that is unacceptable just 60 of the kids can't read and more than that can't do their math and yet we are spending big bucks on this and so it's important your piece is important and it's also important to look at what those proficiency rates really are rachel
SPEAKER 04 :
And this is why it's important for parents to have this information so they know what their district, what the numbers are. First of all, they know their own children are failing or succeeding. And then they know what the district's numbers are. And they can go to their school boards. These school board meetings are public meetings. They can speak. They can communicate. demand accountability and demand change, you know, demand whatever it is that they feel that they need for their students. And that's why putting this data out there is, you know, the goal is to empower people to have this information. And now they can go to their school boards and their superintendents and demand better for their kids, you know, when they're paying, you know, $13,000 on average per student and much, much higher in many other places. You know, California, New York pay far, far higher than that, and they're ranked, you know, very low at the bottom. And so this is just to get it into the hands of parents to use it, to use it and demand better. Yeah.
SPEAKER 19 :
So a dot to connect on this, Rachel O'Brien, is you mentioned these people that are making big salaries for DEI, diversity, equity, inclusion, SEL, social emotional learning. And the... And that's all under the guise of we want kids to, well, to be equal. But that means equal in outcomes. And we're all different. So we're going to have different outcomes. But the key is, is that each child have the tools to be able to. determine their own outcomes. And if kids cannot read and write and do arithmetic, then I guess the equality is that they all can't do that. And we don't want that. And so taking this time and money to push that political agenda. Meanwhile, back at the ranch, these kids can't read and write and do arithmetic. I think that we need to connect the dot that they don't really want to educate kids on the foundational things that kids can use for success in life. They want to indoctrinate over here on this other thing. And they're using tax dollars to do it and paying big salaries to people to do it, Rachel.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah. You know, there are always good teachers, right? We probably all remember a couple of teachers that had profound impacts on us. And they were genuinely good teachers who wanted to help us learn. And there are many of those out there. But the problem you have is not only yes. There's this, you know, desire to to follow this sort of woke teaching and woke just not just teaching, but it's all encompassing of the entire educational system that doesn't help students learn. And so, you know, it's it's again, it's that doesn't change. You know, if and until parents and taxpayers who are the ones who are paying for it, of course, speak up and say enough is enough. We don't need more equity directors. We don't need more diversity consultants. You know, school districts hire lots of consultants. They hire people to come in and speak with them. We need people to teach our kids how to read and write. And so it just all goes back to, you know, who's turning the wheels there? Are they allowing the administrators to turn the wheels or are they allowing or, you know, the parents and the taxpayers, the ones speaking up and saying, we're not funding another administrator role. We want more teachers.
SPEAKER 19 :
And better teachers. And information transparency is the key to begin to change all this. And the work that you and your team are doing at Open the Books, Rachel O'Brien, is amazing. So what's the best way for people to find you, reach you, support you?
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah, well, thank you, Kim. Absolutely. It's OpenTheBooks.com is our website. And then as you mentioned, our sub stack is OpenTheBooks.substack.com. You can read all of our writings at both of those places.
SPEAKER 19 :
Keep up the great work. We'll talk again soon. And again, you can find this article at OpenTheBooks.substack.com. And it's regarding the public school crisis and higher payrolls. And I would highly recommend that you check that out. And these school board races are so important. And a great resource for when you're looking at your ballot and these candidates is TransformColorado.org. Rachel, O'Brien, thanks so much. We'll talk again soon.
SPEAKER 04 :
Thanks for having me, Kim.
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SPEAKER 05 :
Well, you know, thank you for giving me the opportunity to talk on your show, Kim. I really appreciate it. Absolutely. We have four petitions out that we are circulating, and we are seeking to stop the implementation of the City of Lakewood's recent zoning changes. It is such a comprehensive and unique plan and approach to zoning that we think it's only right that the citizens of Lakewood vote on it. So that's our objective.
SPEAKER 19 :
Well, because this rewrite on all of the zoning can really change the... complexion of neighborhoods. And so it does make sense that the citizens should have a vote on this. Now, my understanding, Karen, is the city council put this into four different meetings, four different whatever it was. So then that means that those that wanted to help citizens have a voice on it, it's made things more complicated because instead of one petition, you have to have four petitions signed and they have different due dates on them, right?
SPEAKER 05 :
Yes, that's exactly right. When the city council passed these new zoning changes, they broke it up into four parts. and they passed them at four different times. So that resulted in us having to carry four petitions with phased, you know, launch dates and phased due dates. So it has been quite difficult to, you know, get out into the community, get the word out, you know, track people signing it, you know, all of the things that go into getting a petition signed by the citizens. We've had to develop different techniques for trying to let people know when another petition comes out, give them cards reminding them, you signed these two petitions, you need to sign these two more. So we've had to develop a lot of those techniques to help people remember what they signed.
SPEAKER 19 :
I think it's frustrating. It's unbelievable to me that the city representatives of the people and actually we're seeing that many times the elected representatives may be having an agenda supporting interested parties and staff, instead of wanting to hear what the citizens have to say, you're not saying, you just want to have a say. You want to have citizens have the ability or have the opportunity to redress their government regarding this. And the fact that, I call them PBIs, politicians, bureaucrats, and interested parties are making it so difficult, I think is very telling, Karen Miller.
SPEAKER 05 :
Yes, I agree. And, you know, I got involved, Kim, because who wants to get involved in zoning? It's like stabbing a fork in your eyeball. You know, it's full of lingo. It's a 400-page document. It has been very difficult. And I went to a city council meeting yesterday. and felt like they're not listening and i know they're hearing people who support the zoning and people who oppose it but i felt very unheard i sent emails to the city i said you know to the counselors and i said enough of your citizens have concerns about this, are against this, please pause. Please stop and slow down what you're doing. It is so comprehensive. It is so radical. Enough people are concerned that you need to slow down. Absolutely not. I never got any responses to the emails I sent. You know, anything like that. And that's what I'm hearing from people who are stepping forward to carry petitions, going out in the community to get signatures, is they have felt that their counselors aren't listening to the current citizens of Lakewood.
SPEAKER 19 :
And that is actually their responsibility, is to listen to the citizens of Lakewood. So call to action. Don't you have a deadline that's coming up very soon for the first petition?
SPEAKER 05 :
We do. We're getting a big push out for the first petition. Everybody should come and sign petition number one. We have color coded them again to help with people understanding and remembering what they signed. Please sign the red petition. It is at our office. Rental space at 820 Sims. We have balloons and signs out directing people where to go. There's petition carriers at King Soopers at Union and Alameda. There's petition carriers at the libraries like Belmar Library or the Lakewood Library on 20th and Miller. So we've got people still out in the community looking to collect signatures. All four petitions are out, and so we would like everybody to sign all four petitions.
SPEAKER 19 :
And the first one is due in a couple of days? Yes, it is. And how many signatures do you have to get?
SPEAKER 05 :
I don't recall the exact number. It's like 3,600 and something. And then we need a buffer because signatures could get thrown out. for various reasons. So we need to collect more than that to ensure that we have that legal minimum required.
SPEAKER 19 :
Okay. So if you live in Lakewood, you have to be a resident of Lakewood to sign this, correct?
SPEAKER 05 :
And a registered voter.
SPEAKER 19 :
And a registered voter.
SPEAKER 05 :
A citizen of Lakewood and a registered voter.
SPEAKER 19 :
Okay. And if you are and you want to have a voice and basically just say that you want to be able to vote on this, that's correct, isn't it? Is that what the petition's about or no?
SPEAKER 05 :
Yes.
SPEAKER 19 :
Okay.
SPEAKER 05 :
Yes. No, that is what it's about. We want to get it to a vote of the citizens.
SPEAKER 19 :
Okay. So drop by 820 Sims. Is that North Sims, South Sims, or is that just self-explanatory? I think it's just Sims. It's right north of 6th Avenue. Okay, that's 820 Sims. And you need to do that today, ideally, or tomorrow, because that first petition is due on the 30th. And so we highly recommend that people do that. Karen Miller, thank you so much. We've got about 30 seconds. Your final thought.
SPEAKER 05 :
My final thought is, Kim, this has been a unifying activity for the citizens of Lakewood. We have people on both sides of the aisle, and it is just wonderful seeing the community come together. It's truly grassroots.
SPEAKER 19 :
And I found that working with people, you get to know people that you never would have. So that's a blessing in itself as well. So most definitely. Well, Karen Miller, thank you for being an active, involved citizen, and good luck on this. This is really, really important, and I thank you for that. Thank you, Kim. And our quote for the end of the show is from John Adams. And he said this. He said, always stand on principle, even if you stand alone. And my commentary on that is, as you stand on principle and continue to do that and stay true to true north on these things, the truth will come out. Transparency, light will bring the truth out. and you will end up not standing alone. So again, John Adams said, always stand on principle, even if you stand alone. So my friends today, be grateful, read great books, think good thoughts, listen to beautiful music, communicate and listen well, live honestly and authentically, strive for high ideals, and like Superman, stand for truth, justice, and the American way. My friends, you are not alone. God bless you, and God bless America.
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In this episode of Rush to Reason, John Rush dives deep into the contentious topic of unions within the public sector. Together with Andy Pate and Rachel Gressler, they dissect the complexities around union negotiations and the legislative attempts to streamline processes that could potentially leave taxpayers in the dust. The conversation explores the balance of power between workers, employers, and those financing government operations—the taxpayers.
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And we're back, Hour 2, Rush to Reason, Denver's Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560. Myself, Andy Pate, Rachel Gressler joining us now. Rachel, welcome. How are you?
SPEAKER 17 :
I'm doing well, Andy. Thanks for having me.
SPEAKER 04 :
Visiting fellow in workforce at the Economic Policy Information Center, or EPIC, talked to us about, and this is something that Andy and I both are really big on, and that is, talk to us about unions in government.
SPEAKER 17 :
Yes, the unions play a very powerful role for federal workers, state and local workers as well, but also this is an issue of the government's role even in private sector workers. And so recently the Senate held a hearing looking at some labor law reforms one of those was a law that would potentially force employers and workers in a union into a contract to which neither of them might even agree to this is forced arbitration in an attempt to have faster contracts the problem here is Yes, it can take a long time to come to a contract when a workplace becomes unionized, especially if this is an employer that's never dealt with a union, doesn't know what the laws are, what its rights are, how it needs to respond. And we need to know that union contracts often cover hundreds of different provisions, and they can be 800-plus pages long. So these are things that take a lot of time. But what this law, the Faster Labor Contracts Act, would do is to say that if that employer, the union, can't come to an agreement within 90 days, then they're going to be forced to do mediation, and they only have 30 days of mediation. If that doesn't work, then they're going to have an unelected government bureaucrat appointed as an arbitrator that has the final decision, you know, ultimately needs contracts because the employer and the union need to get one arbitrator, and then they have this unelected bureaucrat. So you're going to end up potentially with contracts that neither side even agreed to, and can that even be an enforceable contract?
SPEAKER 10 :
Now, Rachel, are we talking an unelected bureaucrat for that state or nationally? Because the reason I ask really quickly is if it's for a state, okay, we are in a deep blue state here in Colorado, so that bureaucrat is going to side heavily in favor of the union no matter what.
SPEAKER 04 :
That's right.
SPEAKER 17 :
Yep. No, this is going to be a federal bureaucrat from the Federal Mediation and Conciliatory Service. But we do know that most federal employees are predominantly on the liberal side. Very much.
SPEAKER 10 :
Would the Trump administration, I mean, as long as we have that kind of leadership, be able to, oh, shall we say, rein in the types who would be in those positions?
SPEAKER 17 :
They could. And that's another reason not to have this, is that this shouldn't be something that's political. I agree. The contract between two parties should not, you know, swing back and forth on the outcome of these contracts just based on when your contract expires or starts, who's in office.
SPEAKER 10 :
No, actually, that's what I was getting to. See, the great fear for me is, OK, what happens the next time a Democrat's in? Suddenly, all of these arbitrations all over the country would go one way and be disastrous and force all kinds of companies into bad labor negotiations, wouldn't it?
SPEAKER 17 :
Exactly. And these are provisions that can force those companies out of business entirely. And then all those workers have lost their jobs. So I don't think that they're thinking through this. And it's also not good for the workers, even those who voted for the union. They voted for a union thinking that they're going to be able to participate in these contract negotiations, and they're going to get a vote on whether or not they agree to that contract. That's not going to happen anymore. There's no vote for the workers under this.
SPEAKER 10 :
There's no vote? No, there's no vote.
SPEAKER 04 :
It's not automatic. If they can't reach an agreement, it's a done deal.
SPEAKER 10 :
Yep. But all you got to do, look, that means that if you know the arbitrator is going to be left wing, I'll just put it that way, okay? I'm going to call it politically, okay? If you know the arbitrator is going to be left wing and you're the union, why would you negotiate in good faith? Wouldn't you just say no to everything?
SPEAKER 17 :
Exactly.
SPEAKER 10 :
Our way or the highway. Right. Because you know we're going to get our way. Right.
SPEAKER 17 :
You just make the most extreme demands possible so that whatever it comes down to, even if it's a little bit further from what you asked for, it's still going to be extremely one-sided.
SPEAKER 04 :
Okay, so this is on the private side. Would this have any effect upon the public union side? Which, by the way, I wish we'd pass a law and get rid of unions in the public sector altogether, because I think it's a joke that I, as a taxpayer, get no say in how all this works, and yet these unions do. Anyways, that's another story. But at the end of the day, does it affect both sides?
SPEAKER 17 :
Yes, it does. But I do want to just point out that Franklin Delano Roosevelt agreed that we should not have unions at the government level because you as the taxpayer don't have a seat at the table. And instead, both sides are negotiating against you as the taxpayer. But yes, this is something that is up to the states. You know, when they are dealing with their own workers that are in state level unions or local level unions. One state, Michigan, does require this Biden arbitration process. And the irony there is that sometimes it takes even longer to get a contract than it does when you're just left to the freedom of negotiating these things on your own.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yep. What do we do, Rachel, to fight this? What can we do on our side, I guess? What can our listeners do? Let me ask it that way.
SPEAKER 17 :
Yeah, I think they need to point out to those who... you know, are advocating for a policy like this, it's understandable. Like if a workplace is unionized and it's taken a year and a half, there's obviously frustration. You thought that you were going to get a new contract quickly. But understanding that these things take time and you don't want your employer to go out of business. So those who, you know, have a stake in this or are interested in it, understanding that there's a whole lot of unintended consequences that could come with this. And it's really just a major violation of personal rights. This is forcing people into a contract when the essence of a contract is that the two parties signing it agree to it. So it's really a matter of personal freedom.
SPEAKER 04 :
One last question I have, Annie has one as well. Who's pushing forward this Faster Labor Contract Act?
SPEAKER 17 :
Well, it's not who you would normally think. This is a Republican Senator, Josh Hawley, who has introduced... Really? Hawley?
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah, it's because Josh is a knucklehead sometimes. Sorry, the guy doesn't understand business.
SPEAKER 17 :
On labor issues, yes, it is disappointing. He tends to turn to this class warfareism in the hearing, looking at this, just pointing out CEO pay and other things that... You know, it's not getting to the crux of the issue. You know, you can be pro worker and, you know, conservatives are very pro worker, but they are pro individual worker and protect their freedoms.
SPEAKER 03 :
That's right.
SPEAKER 10 :
Yeah. But I mean, look, he's got to appeal to the right. So what is his I'm just going to say excuse. OK, what's his reasoning for actually backing something this dumb?
SPEAKER 17 :
Well, I think he taps into the frustration of the workers who want to have a contract sooner than they do. And he seems to have an animosity for large businesses like Amazon and others.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah, he does. I mean, he's got a real chip on his shoulder for those particular companies. I'm not quite sure why. I went over this on my own program, you know, last week. I don't think Andy was with me that day, but I was going over this very topic. And Josh is wrong, by the way, flat out. And I'll say when our side is, just like I'll call out the other side. But at the end of the day, he's not looking at things correctly. He doesn't see the value in what these CEOs actually bring to the table.
SPEAKER 17 :
Yeah, but I think another provision that he has supported, and it was discussed at this hearing, is something called the Warehouse Worker Protection Act, and that's specifically going after Amazon. And it's really just a case of stepping into government control over private sector workers, industrialization, kind of on the road to serfdom here. How many industries are we going to take control of and micromanage the way that they operate their businesses?
SPEAKER 04 :
Great point. Great point. Rachel, how do folks get a hold of you and or follow what you're writing and talking about?
SPEAKER 17 :
Yep, you can go to epicforamerica.org. And we've got lots of great work, including, you know, pushing back right now on, you know, the best policies to get the government back and running and to not be putting us on a path towards bankruptcy.
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Putting reason into your afternoon drive, this is John Rush.
SPEAKER 04 :
All right, we are back. Rush to Reason, Debra's Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560. Okay, I've got some other things we're going to cover, but just to recap that whole last conversation in regards to unions in government and representing government workers. And some of you that are represented by one, I'm sorry, I'm going to say this. Don't like it. Again, as we talked a moment ago, Andy's got a different reason, but I don't like the fact that I, as a taxpayer, get no say in what goes on, and the union actually has more say than I do as a taxpayer, and yet I am the guy. I'm technically the employer, and I don't get a seat at the table. That's wrong.
SPEAKER 10 :
Yeah. And by the way, my reason is very similar to yours. I'm just going to couch it differently, okay? There are always three people involved in any business. You got the employer, you got the worker, and you got the customer, right? Right. Okay. The worker must never have more leverage, more power than the customer, okay? And people think... You mean the employer. No, I mean the customer. Okay. And let's look at education for a moment. Okay. Good one. This is why I'm against public teacher unions.
SPEAKER 20 :
Okay.
SPEAKER 10 :
All right. Because a customer should have – ordinarily, you go to an ordinary business. You go to Walmart. You go to McDonald's, whatever. You have the greatest leverage of all. You can take your money and walk out the door. and say, no, I don't want to spend it here. Your product isn't good enough or it's too expensive, whatever. You're not giving me the bang for the buck, so I'm going to go with my buck somewhere else. That is the leverage of the consumer. I can take my money and go somewhere else, okay? Right. And that is why I don't have a big problem with businesses being able to unionize. All right. There are some times when unions are very, very positive, very, very needed. I don't think many in the modern term. I think most unions are very destructive. But at least if a union goes into a business and drives up their costs, the customer can say, hey, now your product is too expensive for them for the I don't get the bang for the buck. So I still have the leverage. I can take my money, go elsewhere. I can walk out the door with my money. The problem with government is I can't. So with a public school, you've got these complete imbeciles saying, well, you can still go to private schools. Yeah, then I've got to pay twice. I've already paid my taxes, like you say, taxpayer. I've already paid my taxes in. So this school is tax-funded. I can't take my money and walk out the door. I have to go somewhere else and pay again. I got to pay twice just to have the freedom for my kids to be raised the way I believe. Correct. This is why... There should be no public unions. Why? Because your customer has no leverage. You should not have more leverage than your customer. They cannot walk out the door with their money and go get a better product elsewhere. Therefore, you should not be able to negotiate and make their product more expensive. What do you think?
SPEAKER 04 :
I agree with you 100%. Absolutely. That's exactly why.
SPEAKER 10 :
Yeah. And it's very similar to the taxpayer because you're like, I'm a taxpayer. I'm roped in. I can't. It's the same thing.
SPEAKER 04 :
It is.
SPEAKER 10 :
And it really angers me. These people who believe in public unions, I look at them and I say, look, you're just a bunch of Marxists. That's all it is. All you want to do is take, take, take.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yep. Yep. I can't argue that, Andy. No. And again, we don't talk a lot about this because, frankly, it's one of those subjects that as much as I would love to see it change, it's not. It is what it is. It's been ingrained now for so long that you're never going to get rid of them. But I hate them. I hate them.
SPEAKER 10 :
Oh, yeah. Public service unions.
SPEAKER 04 :
They should not exist.
SPEAKER 10 :
They should not exist.
SPEAKER 04 :
Teachers unions, public service unions, none of those should exist.
SPEAKER 10 :
Yeah.
SPEAKER 04 :
They should be outlawed.
SPEAKER 10 :
Yeah. Look, teachers, if you want to have the power of a union— Then give your customers the power to walk out the door with the money. Give them vouchers.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah, they don't want to do that. Of course they won't. As you know.
SPEAKER 10 :
Yeah, obviously, because they want your money. Right. And they want to not have to compete. And here's what gives me, it really gives me heartache. They want to not have to compete for your money. And then they want to be able to negotiate with leverage to get more of it.
SPEAKER 03 :
Right.
SPEAKER 10 :
When they don't have to compete for it.
SPEAKER 03 :
Correct.
SPEAKER 10 :
When you can't walk out the door with it.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yep. You're right.
SPEAKER 10 :
That is evil. I'm sorry, but that is just evil. How many people in your life have that kind of power over you, John?
SPEAKER 04 :
Only government. Only government. No one else does.
SPEAKER 10 :
Yeah, but I mean, government already has the power to take your money. But what I mean is these people have the power then to actually negotiate and get more of it without you having any say.
SPEAKER 04 :
True.
SPEAKER 10 :
I have no power over a public union.
SPEAKER 04 :
Zero, Andy. You don't get any say whatsoever.
SPEAKER 10 :
Right. So if the, you know, if, I don't know, pick whatever. If some portion of the government wants to go on strike, I look at them and I'm just saying, oh, really? You want to go on strike? I can't go somewhere else with my money and get this product.
SPEAKER 04 :
I can't get my services anywhere else.
SPEAKER 10 :
Yeah. You know, I think you should all be replaced overnight.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah, I agree. Well, it's why today I voted today. I'll go ahead and say that. And when I look in, I didn't have a lot to vote for because I'm in an unincorporated area, so there wasn't a lot to do. But the school board thing comes up. And I'll tell you right now, when I'm looking at school board candidates, the biggest three strikes in your out is if they're associated with any kind of teacher's union. Oh, yeah. You're done. Done. Gone. X, X, X. You're done. Yeah. There's no vote coming to you. If I see anything at all where you've been in one, you are in one, they've endorsed you. In fact, I voted for one. That's the biggie.
SPEAKER 10 :
If they've endorsed you.
SPEAKER 04 :
You're done. In fact, I voted for one today where they took an endorsement away. I'm like, OK, that guy gets my vote. Oh, yeah. That was easy. You're getting my vote because they just pulled it, meaning you're standing up for something they don't like. I'm in for you. Yeah. That's an easy decision at that point.
SPEAKER 10 :
Yeah, I love you.
SPEAKER 04 :
I'm voting for you. I'm all in for you, man. The teachers union pulled any kind of support for you. In other words, they won't endorse you. Okay, you're my guy. You're done. That's it. We're finished. It's an easy vote.
SPEAKER 10 :
John, but take a step back. What kind of mentality does it take to want your customers powerless? Okay, John, you are a businessman. You consult a lot of businesses. You teach them how to run business. You teach them how to compete for the customer. And the ultimate thing is to value the customer. Look at these as real human beings who I have to serve and serve well to make a living. Okay. What kind of mentality does it have to be to want your customers powerless?
SPEAKER 04 :
Oh, that's evil. It's pure evil, Andy. Yes. That's all. It's just pure evil.
SPEAKER 10 :
Why do you think I left the left? Okay. I grew up with that. I looked around. I'm like, wait a minute. We want our customer. You know, I use different wording at the time, but we want our customers to be powerless. We want them to. Are you kidding me?
SPEAKER 03 :
Yep.
SPEAKER 10 :
Yep. So we're going to herd their kids like cattle. Yeah. We're going to herd their kids through one system where we get to indoctrinate them. They can't take their money and go anywhere else. We're only going to teach one side. And we get to go on strike and get more money if we don't think we have enough. And by the way, there are people in public service who I wish even had more money. I'd like to pay cops more. I'd like to pay the military more. And by the way, there are some teachers I'd like to pay a whole lot more because I think they're great.
SPEAKER 03 :
Right.
SPEAKER 10 :
Okay. Some who aren't.
SPEAKER 03 :
Agree.
SPEAKER 10 :
Okay. But I mean, but this idea of wanting your customer to be powerless to me is a very, very, very arrogant thing.
SPEAKER 04 :
I agree. I agree. All right, let's do this. This is Up Against the Break. We're going to come back. I guess I'm going to talk about that might be a little bit controversial, but maybe not. Probably not to Andy and I. We'll talk about it when we come back in a moment. Anyways, Dr. Scott's up next. Again, he is looking out for your overall wellness and well-being. Not crisis care, but wellness care. 303-663-6990.
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SPEAKER 04 :
And we are back. Rush to Reason, Denver's Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560. Myself, Andy Pate. And I just want to slip this in really quick because I normally, Josh Hawley, like the guy. I think he's a brilliant person for the most part, which also shows you that you can be a really brilliant person and still get some things completely wrong. And there are some things that he gets completely wrong. This whole idea of that last... conversation we just had with rachel in getting this whole you know labor this faster labor contracts act passed i mean bad bad bad idea josh on top of that for josh to come out and attack you know ceos and by the way these are companies that they may or may not like at the end of the day but you know what a company in the free market has the ability to pay their ceo whatever they feel like they need to attract good talent to keep the company moving forward And at the end of the day, the workers get paid what a worker is worth, period. This whole idea that, you know, we could cut salaries out of CEOs and give everybody else in the company a raise is absolutely one of the most idiotic things you could ever say ever.
SPEAKER 10 :
Yeah, you know what the big problem here is? The worker is worth more to Josh Hawley than the worker is to that company. You know why? Because the worker is one vote.
SPEAKER 04 :
Right.
SPEAKER 10 :
And the CEO is only one vote. Good point. Yeah, and so therefore, you've got a lot of workers and one CEO. Josh Hawley is thinking politically. He's not thinking principally.
SPEAKER 04 :
Right. Which, let's talk about this. There's a lot of comments that happen every time you get in an election cycle. Our side will even promote this particular phrase. I don't agree with this phrase. Some of you know exactly what I'm going to say here in a moment and why. But there's this phrase of principles over principles. Party. By the way, I don't believe in that. I believe the opposite. It's party over principles. Not to say that we loosen up principles and we go different directions and, you know, Andy, we basically abandon all of the things that we stand for. No, I'm not saying that. But here's the thing.
SPEAKER 10 :
But that is the accusation.
SPEAKER 04 :
That is, yeah.
SPEAKER 10 :
And the second you say you don't agree with principles over party, they look at you and they believe that you are a rhino, you're unprincipled, you don't care.
SPEAKER 04 :
Go ahead. Answer that. I just want to win because if you go principles over party, it's a losing strategy. Let me ask you. That's like, for example, let me use a sports analogy for some of you. Andy can probably correct me on this if I'm wrong and maybe explain this a little bit better. But being principled over party would be like I watch plenty of football. And there are times where, let's face it, refs get calls wrong sometimes. Sure. Completely wrong. And if you as a coach spend the rest of the game, let's say there's a bad call in the first quarter. You know, there's an interception that's really not an interception. Or there's a fumble that's not a fumble. Or a guy catches the ball, he's really inbounds, but actually he was out of bounds. Whatever. I mean, a bad call. It just happens. And they happen. Refs aren't perfect, and sometimes even the replay guys get it wrong. You see it happen. You'll even watch a replay a day later, and it's like, I don't know who in the world got this thing screwed up, but they did. So my point is, if it's a principal matter, which it is at that point, the coach, he could be mad. He could be so focused on the fact that that call was wrong that he spends his entire three quarters after focused on that and that alone and doesn't have his team where they need to be by the end of the game, and in fact, Andy, they lose. That's principle over party.
SPEAKER 10 :
Well, you're actually getting to something that I'm going to get to here in just a bit. First of all, I want to ask a question. How valuable is a principle that doesn't get elected?
SPEAKER 04 :
It's not valuable at all. It doesn't matter then. There's no value.
SPEAKER 10 :
It can be the most valuable. It can be gravity. If you're not elected, it doesn't matter. Right. These people who say principle over party, I believe, are unprincipled. OK, good way saying it, because what they are is emotion. What they're saying is emotion over strategy. Right. OK. And why, Andy, why do you say that? Because they're not taking in all the principles. They're only taking in the principles that matter to them. So they're saying, you know, my freedom of speech, for instance, and you know what I believe in freedom of speech. I'm an absolutist. OK. And they're saying if I don't push principle, principle, principle, no matter what. Then, you know, I'm a compromiser. I'm a rhino and so forth. But I look at them and I say, well, now, wait a minute. Here's a principle. Whoever gets the most votes wins an election. Here's another principle. But you can't. OK, here's another principle. You can't sell a product that the that the customer doesn't want. You first have to persuade them they want the product. OK, have you taken the time to persuade over 51, you know, 51 percent of Coloradoans to believe in your product? Well, we'll get. No, no, no. Have you?
SPEAKER 04 :
And by the way, what they'll use is a great example of principle over party. We saw this with Joe O'Day. If you're a candidate that believes in first term abortions, but not second and third trimester abortions, because I'm so principled that I believe in life at conception, which I do. But I'm so principled, there's no way I can ever vote for that guy because that particular person, guy or gal, believes in a first-term abortion. That, Andy, is principle over party. And that's where I will divide with him because that's when I can say, listen, as much as I am a full right-to-lifer, you guys hear me talk about it on the podcast each week with Preborn. I mean, the reality is, yes, I am a big believer in life across the board, by the way. It isn't just a conception. It's all the way until you're on your deathbed, and you could have an ailing disease, whatever the case may be. I am one that believes in that life, Andy, all the way through, because I'm a person that believes that way, period. Now, on the same token, can I vote for somebody that maybe that's the only thing I differ on – maybe in Joe O'Day's case, it was that, and probably he's a little bit more of a spender than I am, so I probably differed with him on some budgetary things. But all in all, the rest of what Joe stood for, as a senator, I could have got behind. And I think Joe's the kind of guy where I think you actually, at some point in time, probably could have had a conversation with him, and you might have even convinced him to maybe come more to our side – of the podium, if you would, when it was all said and done. But I at least got to get him elected to even have that conversation. I know at that point in time who he was running against, which, by the way, is the guy that's going to run for governor here in Colorado, is running for governor, will win the Democrat primary. That's Michael Bennett. Is there ever a snowball's chance of bringing Michael Bennett to my side, Andy? No. No. OK, but but he's now the senator because we had a big tiff inside of our party over Joe O'Day versus Ron Hanks, because Ron got all hurt over the fact that, you know, you know, Joe won the primary. In fact, went against him, even ran as a quote unquote independent.
SPEAKER 10 :
Ron literally campaigned to have his former supporters not vote for the Republican candidate for the Senate. He drew votes directly away from our candidates.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yep.
SPEAKER 10 :
I mean, think about that. OK, look, John, I mean, bottom line, you got us talking about abortion for a moment. Then we'll go on to others.
SPEAKER 04 :
But by the way, that's one of the first ones. It's funny how you start talking principle over party. Right. That's one of the very first and not only, but it is one of the top answers that somebody will give you when they talk about this principle over party thing, by the way. It is probably the number one thing they'll bring up as an example. Am I right?
SPEAKER 10 :
Oh, yes. On our side, absolutely.
SPEAKER 04 :
If Canada believes in abortion, then I can't vote for them. That's a principal issue for me.
SPEAKER 10 :
Well, it's not just that. They've got to fully, fully, fully be 100% pro-life. Like we are. And what I say is this. You have to establish a beachhead when it comes to abortion. Remember Saving Private Ryan and they had to rush the beach. It's very bloody and messy. Why do you do that? Because you've got to establish a beachhead. Then you can work from there. Okay. Abortion is the same way, folks. There's no way. that you're going to get people to all at once believe that we must illegalize all abortions in all cases, including rape, right now. Right. Okay, that's not going to happen, so what do you do? You first say, okay, but what about late term? I mean, look at this. We have a fully functioning human that just isn't born yet.
SPEAKER 03 :
Right.
SPEAKER 10 :
Okay, can we at least agree on that? Yeah, that's right. And what about tax funding? Can we at least agree that— We shouldn't fund them that way. that people who don't believe in this shouldn't be forced to fund it. In other words, you pay for your own medical decisions.
SPEAKER 04 :
Point being, Andy, there's some stepping stones with every one of these particular topics that you have to make headway on or you're never going to win, period.
SPEAKER 10 :
Exactly. Now, if you get that, and by the way, if you get somebody to be against, okay, late-term abortion, okay, the last two, three months, all right, guess what you just established? You just established a beachhead, and from there you can say, okay, well, if it's a human life there.
SPEAKER 03 :
Right. Is it a human life at five months, four months, three months?
SPEAKER 10 :
And you can work it back. Now, the left understands this, the right doesn't. The left understands we get first downs on our way to a touchdown. The right only wants to throw Hail Marys. And if you don't throw a Hail Mary, which never works, then you are a compromiser.
SPEAKER 04 :
And the left's done that in every single area out there, from policy to money to abortion to the Second Amendment. I can go down the line, folks. And we are a party of all or nothing. It's just how we do it, because we're so quote-unquote principled, we have no strategy in how to gain ground in these particular areas. Right. We don't do it. Well, another principle— And honestly, we do it because of this phrase, principle over party. Because of that, we make no headway, ever. Right.
SPEAKER 10 :
Yeah, you see, a principle, people have to understand, what is a principle? A principle is simply a truth. Okay, it's something that is true that applies. Okay, that's what it is. All right, let me give you another principle. If you don't have a majority in the House of Representatives, you are out. Right. You get voted off the island. Yes, especially if you are up against a side that is totally united, which we are.
SPEAKER 03 :
Right.
SPEAKER 10 :
Okay, the Democrats are a fully united mob.
SPEAKER 04 :
That's right.
SPEAKER 10 :
All right. And you have to keep in mind that mob wants some very bad things that you don't want.
SPEAKER 04 :
They want blood, Andy.
SPEAKER 10 :
They want blood.
SPEAKER 04 :
Absolutely.
SPEAKER 10 :
And, you know, how many Fettermans are there?
SPEAKER 04 :
Not very many. Not enough. Let me count them. One. Yeah, there's not enough.
SPEAKER 10 :
Okay, there you go. It's a big country, man. You have one John Fetterman in an entire country. And by the way, he disagrees with you on a number of things. He is going to vote for the Democrat to be Senate Majority Leader if they have 51 votes. Okay? Okay. Here's the thing to keep in mind. Let's say that there are 20 issues. Once again, we're talking principle over party, right? That is a stupid statement. I agree. Okay. Let's say there are 20 issues that are very important to you. That Democrat is going to disagree with you on probably 20 out of 20, at least 19.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah, at least 90%.
SPEAKER 10 :
But probably 20 out of 20. That's right. Okay. The Republican who you don't like is still going to agree with you.
SPEAKER 04 :
18 out of 20 probably.
SPEAKER 10 :
Probably.
SPEAKER 04 :
Or more. Or 19 out of 20.
SPEAKER 10 :
Well, yeah, or at least, you know, 14 or 15. I always use Liz Cheney, who to me is one of the worst Republicans of the last century. I despise Liz Cheney. Guess what? Liz Cheney voted in alignment with Trump over 90% of the time, while Democrats were under 10. And she was the worst of the worst. So, folks, if the worst of the worst is voting with him 90 plus percent of the time, Vote your party because you've got to have more R's than D's.
SPEAKER 04 :
Otherwise you lose.
SPEAKER 10 :
That's a principle. But you see, so when these people say, I'm for principle over party, no, you're not. You're on principle. You're for emotion over strategy, okay? Because if you were for principle, then you would look at all the principles, not just, gee, this is my one issue that's big to me. You'd look at all 20. You would look at strategy. You would look at the principle of majority, right?
SPEAKER 11 :
Mm-hmm.
SPEAKER 10 :
You would look at all principles. You're not doing it because you don't believe in principle. You believe in your emotions. What do you think?
SPEAKER 04 :
No, you're spot on. And there are organizations in this town, I won't name names because I don't want to be in trouble, but there's organizations in this town that preach and teach a lot of what we're talking about right now, Andy and I, the principles over party, by the way.
SPEAKER 10 :
Yeah, one meets in the springs.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah, I'll just be straight up honest. It's a bad organization. It's wrong. You're teaching no strategy. You're teaching a lot of history and a lot of things that we should stand for, and I get all of that, and that's great. But at the end of the day, you're teaching to not have any strategy on how to win. And I'll just say this straight up. Worst thing that ever happened to this state as far as the conservatives go is that particular organization because they've taught too many politicians on how to not win.
SPEAKER 10 :
Yeah, they have.
SPEAKER 04 :
I'm sorry to say, but that's been part of our – the rhino watches of the world and so on, they all talk about how this is the problem and that's the problem and this is why we don't win and that's why we don't win. You know what? I can almost go point to one particular organization that puts out a lot of candidates and tell you they're the reason we don't win.
SPEAKER 10 :
Yeah, it's basically, if when you look, and the funny thing about this organization is this, they cross over the divide of the GOP. There are members who come out of this organization who are both in the Rhinowatch libertarian-esque grassroots, which is terribly mislabeled.
SPEAKER 20 :
Yeah, that's a loose term.
SPEAKER 10 :
You know what I mean, the Rhinowatchers, but you also have those who are in the quote-unquote establishment.
SPEAKER 03 :
Right.
SPEAKER 10 :
And they all say that I graduated this year of this organization.
SPEAKER 03 :
Right, right.
SPEAKER 10 :
But what I can tell you is this. What comes out of that organization is generally... Now, some wonderful people, of course, but... You generally have two very damaging things. Number one, the consultant class comes out of that organization and they suck in the money. Right. They're grifters. They suck in the money and they never win because they use terrible strategy. But you also have these libertarianized people who destroy the Republican Party from within.
SPEAKER 04 :
Right. Yep.
SPEAKER 1 :
100%.
SPEAKER 04 :
So again, some of you on that side of the aisle will talk about how, you know, it's this that caused, you know, where we're at the demise of the, you know, the party here in Colorado. And this is why we don't win anymore. And that's why we don't win anymore. And it's because of this open primary that we don't win anymore. Yeah, folks, no, I hate to say this and hate to break it to you. But There's actually an organization in the state that probably has had more to do with losing than the open primary will ever have to do with losing.
SPEAKER 10 :
I agree.
SPEAKER 04 :
And I mean that wholeheartedly. And I won't say the name because I don't want to be in trouble along those lines and, you know, have lawsuits and other things. But you guys can go all figure out who that is on your own pretty easily.
SPEAKER 10 :
John, I have spoken to this organization. OK, I mean, I've spoken. And they were wonderful people.
SPEAKER 04 :
But they're just misguided.
SPEAKER 10 :
Well, yeah.
SPEAKER 04 :
They're wonderful people that are very misguided. And I know some of the founders of this organization. And by the way, I think they had some good intentions early on. Unfortunately, those intentions went awry and they became, quote unquote, so principled they lost the will to win. Well, let me sum up. I shouldn't say the will. No, go ahead. That's not the right way to say it, Andy. They became so principled, they lost the ability to figure out how to win. The will to win is still there, but they don't know how. Is that a better way to say it?
SPEAKER 10 :
That's a great way to say it.
SPEAKER 04 :
They want to win, but they have no idea how.
SPEAKER 10 :
John, winning, there are a lot of principles that go into winning. A lot of principles that you have to—let me give you one really quick here. What's the biggest principle in business? Who's always right?
SPEAKER 04 :
customer.
SPEAKER 10 :
Oh, okay.
SPEAKER 04 :
The market.
SPEAKER 10 :
Guess who the customer is in Colorado?
SPEAKER 04 :
It's the voter. Yeah, let me see it that way, because the customer is not always right. The customer is always the customer, but here's what always is right. The market. The market's always right. Right. Because what the market is demanding is always right, no matter what.
SPEAKER 10 :
Right, but the customer's always right is a generalized statement for the market.
SPEAKER 04 :
Correct.
SPEAKER 10 :
The market is always right. And that is a principle that is completely ignored by by the people, by the Republicans in Colorado who say principle over party. The ones who say principle over party totally ignore the principle of the market.
SPEAKER 04 :
Right. Right. And how to win.
SPEAKER 10 :
In other words, they are emotion over strategy.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah, and again, I keep saying this, but I'll continue to say it. These are typically people, not all, because there are a few exceptions to this, but typically speaking, these are folks that come out of financial institutions. These are folks that come out of the political end of things. These are people that maybe have run a business, but not in the traditional sense of a business. Most of them have never run a retail business. business. And no, a banker isn't a retail business person. Sorry to say bankers don't know the retail market world. In fact, I'll just say this straight up. Most bankers don't know the market because they live in their own little banking bubble. I'll just say they do.
SPEAKER 01 :
They do.
SPEAKER 04 :
They live in their own banking bubble. There's very few good bankers left, by the way, because most are morons. But that's for another discussion for another day. At the end of the day, they don't know their market either. Otherwise, they wouldn't be doing They do. Anyways, that's another conversation.
SPEAKER 10 :
That I don't know. I will defer.
SPEAKER 04 :
The reality is most of your candidates and the people that are, quote unquote, in charge of the party in Colorado right now, frankly, have never ran a business. Don't know how. Couldn't if they had to.
SPEAKER 10 :
What you're saying is they're totally detached from the market, that they seek to win.
SPEAKER 04 :
Absolutely. And because of that, we lose. I agree. Folks, it's not Rhino Watchers. It's not the open primary. It is not the open primary that's making us lose in Colorado. It's you and your attitude and lack of discernment in all of the areas that Andy and I are talking about that's making us lose.
SPEAKER 10 :
I agree. Let me ask you this, John. Would you agree that all the people who say principle over party, principle over party, that everyone who says that, they personally have a small set of principles that are most important to them, the hills to die on, that they say this is what comes first. This is what matters.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah. And usually it will be two or three things.
SPEAKER 10 :
Right. Two or three things. Okay. Follow me here. But if they're not looking at all the principles, first of all, everybody has a different two or three hills. And secondly, if you line up all the hills, you wind up with 20, 30 hills. And finally, if you don't obey the principle of the market. none of those hills are going to win.
SPEAKER 04 :
You're right.
SPEAKER 10 :
So let me ask you this. Are they principled?
SPEAKER 04 :
No, they're not.
SPEAKER 10 :
Thank you.
SPEAKER 04 :
They're not because they don't know how to win. Golden Eagle Financial coming up next. Al Smith, listen to Al tomorrow, by the way, with his own program from 2 to 2.30. Otherwise, we'll be right back after this interview. KLZ 560 is where you find Al.
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This is TJ with KLZ Radio, and once again, we have Al Smith with us from Golden Eagle Financial. And Al, we're coming up on the end of the year, and I figure there's probably quite a few things that a retirement planner has to do to prepare for the new year, yes?
SPEAKER 16 :
Well, there are a couple of things that have a 31st deadline that we talk to some of our clients about. If people are thinking about converting part of their traditional IRA to Roth, they're That needs to be done before December 31st. And we don't usually wait until the last week in December because the financial companies get really busy. So it's a good idea to address that in November. And usually by then people have a pretty good idea how much money they have earned, and we can guesstimate their tax bracket.
SPEAKER 07 :
So you're just basically helping them reach out to figure out what sort of distribution they should get from an investment.
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Well, not so much distribution, but if they're younger people, they may have a longer-term strategy to convert traditional IRA to Roth. And that will add income to their income tax they pay each year. And we usually wait till near the end of the year because by then people know what tax bracket they will be in. But it has to be done before December 31st.
SPEAKER 07 :
Excellent. And that's why we trust you, Al. How can people get in touch with you if they want to start their retirement planning adventure with you?
SPEAKER 16 :
That's a good way to describe it as an adventure. You can reach me at 303-744-1128. And if you're driving when you hear this, contact KLZ and they'll put me in contact with you. All right. Thanks for joining us today, Al. Thank you for having me.
SPEAKER 05 :
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SPEAKER 04 :
All right, we are back. A few minutes left of this particular hour. Okay, Andy, when it comes to Mendami, who probably will win in New York because we can't get the Republican there to drop out and actually give the Democrat a chance to win because he actually might if we would do that. But that's not going to happen. Right. So what happens to – By the way, once again, principle over principle. Party. Another example.
SPEAKER 10 :
Yeah, in other words.
SPEAKER 04 :
Another example.
SPEAKER 10 :
Yeah. Dude, you've got to set aside. There, he's actually abandoning principle. He's not looking at the market.
SPEAKER 04 :
And he's not looking at what's best for the country, but that's another conversation. So what's going to happen to New York afterwards?
SPEAKER 10 :
Well, as you know, Mamdani is a disaster. He's a full communist. What this is, folks, I'm going to make this very simple. New York is voting for looting.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yes, taking money out of your pocket.
SPEAKER 10 :
This is a vote to loot the wealthy. They might as well have torches and pitchforks and be overrunning the gates of mansions.
SPEAKER 03 :
Correct.
SPEAKER 10 :
That is what they are about to do in New York.
SPEAKER 03 :
Correct.
SPEAKER 10 :
This is nothing but legalized looting. And here's the beauty of it. They all get to do it with votes. They don't have to do it with guns and violence so they can feel good about it. Okay. I'm not a criminal. I'm just with a bunch of other people voting myself somebody else's money. Yep. Okay, here's the thing. So the rich naturally want to leave. And so everybody's saying, yeah, the rich are going to leave. But here's the problem, John. Who's going to want to buy their property and move in? Only wealthy people can buy these properties. No wealthy person's going to want to move to New York. So I wanted to ask you this. If you're a rich person in New York... You better leave now. Well, it's too late. Everybody already knows that he's going to be elected. The property values have already plummeted. So... Would you consider this strategy? And I think a lot of them might. I'll buy property somewhere else, say Florida, and call that my primary residence and change my residence and become a Florida person. Yeah, Floridian. And that way I'm not paying New York taxation. And I can operate out of there. You could do that. But why even sell my house, which is now plummeted in value? Why sell my home? Instead, hold on to it. If I can rent it out, great. Probably can't. But what I do is hold on to it until Mamdani passes.
SPEAKER 04 :
You could do that.
SPEAKER 10 :
The Mamdani period passes because he's going to run. And so here you got all these millionaires. Let's say all these millionaires around New York, they do this. And they switch to where they no longer are citizens of New York. And so they don't pay taxes there, right? And they have primary residences elsewhere. Would that work? Can they do that?
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah.
SPEAKER 10 :
Then they should. They can. Or let's say they do sell their place. If I'm somebody else, I would say sure. Because you've got to keep in mind, these people who are millionaires and even billionaires, billionaires look at this and say, oh, yeah, I'll buy it as a second house.
SPEAKER 04 :
Right.
SPEAKER 10 :
I'm not going to be a resident there, but I'll buy it as a second home.
SPEAKER 04 :
And some of them, by the way, they'll just take the loss. It can be my New York pad. They'll just take the loss and move on and not worry about it. Some won't care. They have enough money. It doesn't make any difference at the end of the day. That's the thing that the mayor doesn't even understand.
SPEAKER 10 :
I totally understand that, John, but we have to keep in mind the loss is going to be enormous. The loss they're going to take on their homes is going to be just – I know that they are incredibly wealthy. They don't care, but – If.
SPEAKER 04 :
I mean, for some of those, even if they get half out of it, Andy, they won't care. They'll just move on. Okay. But if you're a billionaire. That's what Mondami doesn't understand.
SPEAKER 10 :
Right.
SPEAKER 04 :
They'll do that.
SPEAKER 10 :
If you're a billionaire, let's say you're a billionaire in Texas, and you could have a New York pad up there in the financial capital. By the way, the financial capital is going to migrate. It's going to leave New York. Okay. But if you can have a pad, a beautiful, rich place there in New York, so you buy that. as just your fun place.
SPEAKER 03 :
Right.
SPEAKER 10 :
Okay. But you're not going to live there.
SPEAKER 03 :
And there'll be some deals. Some of that will happen.
SPEAKER 10 :
So can they move? Will they be able to move out of there? Now, if they do that, does Mamdani, because look, here's the only thing. Everything Mamdani wants to do, he can only do by stealing.
SPEAKER 03 :
Right.
SPEAKER 10 :
Okay. And so does he then say, well, then what I'm going to do is I'm going to do most of it through property taxes. Jack those way up, which will only crash the value of these places further.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah, I don't know. And I don't know enough about New York. If it's like Colorado, they can't do that without some either legislative statewide and or something along. In other words, they can't just I don't know.
SPEAKER 10 :
I don't know in New York City.
SPEAKER 04 :
I don't think he can just arbitrarily go and raise property. You can't hear in Colorado do that arbitrarily. That has to be done either legislatively or with a ballot initiative. You can't just go, you know, raise property taxes across the board in a city.
SPEAKER 10 :
But you can with the Bell Initiative.
SPEAKER 04 :
You've got to keep in mind, New York now— But that would be a statewide issue, I believe. I don't think just a city can do that. I believe so when it comes to property taxes, yes.
SPEAKER 10 :
Okay.
SPEAKER 04 :
Because those are going to— Then he's got a problem. Because those are going to other areas outside of just the city.
SPEAKER 10 :
Then he's got a real problem because I got news for you. People around the state aren't going to want to pay.
SPEAKER 04 :
No, they're not. No, it's going to be a problem. You're right on that. For free buses in New York. And by the way, some of you that maybe are more familiar with New York laws versus what we do here in Colorado, but I still think statewide property taxes are set the way I just said. I don't think an individual city or county can go in and set their own rates.
SPEAKER 10 :
Okay, here's another question. Do you have to move out of state? What if you decide, okay, I'm a rich person. I'm just going to move. Out of New York.
SPEAKER 04 :
You could.
SPEAKER 10 :
But to a different part of New York nearby.
SPEAKER 04 :
You could.
SPEAKER 10 :
So I'm not a resident of New York, so you can't tax me.
SPEAKER 04 :
Of New York City. Yes, you could do that.
SPEAKER 10 :
Right.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah. And this is something that he's probably not thinking through. You do enough of what Andy just said. Oh, they will do it. Property values will come down as soon as property tax. It's actually a double whammy because as the new assessments come out and there's all these sales that are now tracked at a lower rate than they have been, actually your property tax collection will come down, not go up.
SPEAKER 10 :
Oh, yeah. The property values for the wealthy are going to plummet. They already have. I mean, they're not going to. That's already figured in because people have known he was going to get elected now for a better part of a year. So property values for the wealthy in New York are already at an all-time low, I'll bet. They're just cratering. But if I'm one of the wealthy, I may look at that and say, you know what? It's not even worth it to sell it. I'll just get a primary residence elsewhere and have this be my fun place.
SPEAKER 04 :
Gotcha.
SPEAKER 10 :
What do you think?
SPEAKER 04 :
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SPEAKER 04 :
Somebody called and asked if ranked choice voting in New York City is why Mendami will actually win. No. I mean, yes, they have ranked choice voting, which, by the way, is a terrible, terrible idea. It's going to continue to be pushed here in Colorado. It's an awful idea when it comes to getting elected officials, getting officials elected, I should say. But is that the problem in New York City with Mendami?
SPEAKER 10 :
No, no. You're eight to one Democrat to Republican there. So when you have that disparity, ranked choice means nothing. But here's the big problem, John, and you and I have always said this. When the criminals and parasites greatly outnumber the producers, you're going to get a Mamdani. Communism is going to spring up.
SPEAKER 04 :
Correct.
SPEAKER 10 :
And by the way, it's coming to another city near you.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah, New York City is not going to be the last George Soros trial of getting a particular candidate like his elected. If he wins there, he'll do it again and again and again. He'll go to other big cities like Detroit and Denver and Chicago and L.A. and a lot of other places and make it even worse than it already is because that's exactly what's going to happen in New York City.
SPEAKER 10 :
Yeah, and L.A. basically has one already.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah, but believe me, it'll just get worse. It'll just continue to implant other individuals that make it worse than it is right now.
SPEAKER 10 :
Look, it is all robbing people through votes.
SPEAKER 04 :
That's right. That's exactly right. All right, we'll be back. Another hour coming your way. Rush to Reason, Denver's Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560.
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SPEAKER 03 :
Estivation.
SPEAKER 07 :
Yeah, I don't know if certain animals do that or something or do certain people.
SPEAKER 03 :
Certain members of Congress? I wish they would, actually. I'm not sure.
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That sounds bad. Just have her estivate.
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Well, I was saying before the show, I know that the GOP is not a church, but can we have an excommunication? I mean, can Trump become the pope, and can we officially excommunicate her from the GOP?
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We'll get into more of that throughout the show today. Next question today is, which beverage company once claimed in court that its drink was so acidic it would dissolve a mouse in 30 days after a man alleged he found one in his can? Which beverage company once demanded in court that its drink was so acidic that it would devour a mouse in 30 days after a man alleged he found one in his can?
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Well, I know the first version of Coca-Cola would get the thing high.
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SPEAKER 03 :
Are you talking the rich Democrats here in town?
SPEAKER 07 :
Just in general, across the country.
SPEAKER 03 :
Okay.
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All right, we are back. Rush to Reason, Denver's Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560. Myself, Andy Pate. Article out of Wall Street Journal saw this, I believe it was yesterday. Democrat donors sit on sidelines as party schism persists. The Republican National Committee has $86 million in cash reserves at the start of October compared with just $12 million for its Democrat counterpart. Now, again, that will probably shift as things continue on and we get more towards the midterms, although, Andy... But normally, this is not the case. Normally, it's the opposite. Typically, the Democrats have deep pockets.
SPEAKER 03 :
Oh, yeah. And let's face it. Most rich people are Democrat.
SPEAKER 07 :
Right.
SPEAKER 03 :
Okay. And this is something that I think is starting to get out there. More and more people are starting to understand, wait a minute. We always thought the Republicans were the rich, right? We always thought that they were the rich. No, it's the Democrats. And this is something where... I would talk to independents, and they really thought that that stereotype would hold. They're starting to understand, no, it's Democrats who are rich, and now the Democrats are pulling back their money. And by the way, you didn't mention Trump's operation. He's amassed a war chest of $1.4 billion. Wow. Okay. Wow. Yeah.
SPEAKER 08 :
That's huge.
SPEAKER 03 :
Exactly. So the Republicans right now are rolling in dough, and the Democrats are not giving. And why do you think that is?
SPEAKER 07 :
Well, and this article talks about it, and you and I have as well. I mean, they've got some major party divisions right now, which is unlike them. Normally, they are all on the same front. There's even some – I talked about this yesterday. There's even some members of Congress now talking about the shutdown, the fact that it isn't the Republicans that are holding out. It really is, in fact, the Democrats. You know, they're getting their marching orders from those that are on the hard left. And some of those more moderate Democrats are essentially saying, wait a minute, time out. This is not going to bode well for any of us, myself included, because I'm probably in a district that's a little bit more in that moderate end of things. And if you guys aren't careful, we're going to really screw things up here.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah. And let me tell you something. The schism is not in terms of what they believe. It's in terms of what they say, what they're presenting. Right. As you know, I was raised on the left. And so I always try to tell people this because Republicans don't understand this. OK, when they see a Democrat who comes off as moderate, they think it's a moderate Democrat. Let me explain this. You can use words for two reasons, okay? Either to reveal your thoughts or to conceal your thoughts.
SPEAKER 07 :
Correct.
SPEAKER 03 :
Okay? Republicans generally and almost entirely use their words to reveal their thoughts. This is what I want. This is where we disagree. Hey, I'm pro-trade. You know, I'm pro-tariffs. I'm anti-tariffs. Here's why. And so forth. And they debate and they hash things out. Democrats largely use their words to conceal what they're thinking. Let me give you a great example. I grew up at a time when Democrats still made the claim that they were Christian.
SPEAKER 07 :
Don't do that anymore, by the way.
SPEAKER 03 :
No, hardly. That's over. Yeah, but even back then, I said, look, the time is coming when Democrats will throw this off, where the wolf will throw off the sheep's clothing. It's going to toss it. Why? Because they're simply going to wait until America becomes more and more acceptable to not be a Christian, which, of course, now it is. Gotcha. But I said, I knew behind closed doors, they never were. Okay. And there are going to be people angry listening to me right now. Wait a minute. I know Democrats who are good Christians. Yes, I understand. You do. Okay. But they are pretty ignorant on how they're generally when you talk to those people, you'll find that they are very ignorant on how their party's beliefs line up with the Bible. Now, what I'm getting to is this. The reason that a lot of these big donors on the left are hesitant to give is not because the Mamdani's are putting out views that they disagree with. It's because they're putting them out publicly. Most Democrats, look, the Democrat Party is a communist party.
SPEAKER 07 :
Absolutely.
SPEAKER 03 :
A bunch of Marxists. Absolutely. What is the foundation of communism from each according to his ability to each according to his need? Every single legislation that the Democrats put forth is some variant of that. OK, redistribution of wealth. How do we do it? And the whole idea of it is let's do it as subtly as we can. Right. But now they've reached a tipping point in major urban areas like New York to where we don't have to be subtle. We're simply going to rob people. OK, what's going to happen with Mamdani's election is legalized looting. This is going to be wide scale looting in New York. And the beauty is you get to do with your vote. You don't have to pull a gun. OK, you don't have to break the law. You could do it legally. You can legally loot other people. It's going to be nothing but looting on Election Day. And the Democrats always want to do this. But now they've got a schism. They've got a group of people within the party who want to do it publicly, who want to be totally bold out front about it. We are going to rob the rich blind. That's what we're going to do. We're going to rob the productive. And so the criminals and the parasites are going to rob the productive because there are areas where we greatly outnumber them. Tell me what you think.
SPEAKER 07 :
No, I think you're right. I can't disagree with you. And I think, you know, for some reason, I think there's some very. misguided democrats that maybe andy maybe don't understand everything you just said in other words you know i i will give some some grace i talked about an individual yesterday uh mr golden from uh i think he's from maine talking about how his party's going the wrong direction and it's that hardcore left that's you know giving out the marching orders and they're completely wrong and You know, I'll give some credit where credit's due, and maybe these are individuals that, frankly, are more conservative in their thought, only buy into the party because they know it's the only way they can get elected. I don't know. I don't know what's in their mind. I can't answer that.
SPEAKER 03 :
Well, if I may, in Maine, he's positioning himself because Maine is still— He doesn't have a choice. Yeah. Maine still has quite a few liberals there, people who want to loot and pillage. OK. And so he has to position himself in the middle like that so he can say, look, I'm troubled with how far my party is going this way, but I'll still be part of that party. And that that is nothing but a political calculation. You're seeing it in Pennsylvania as well. Go ahead.
SPEAKER 07 :
No, I agree with you. And again, I do think there are some in the party, in the Democrat Party, that maybe haven't bought into every single thing their party believes in, although I think there's a day of reckoning coming to where that side of the party is either going to say, you either march the way we want you to or get out, one of the two. Yeah. Am I wrong in saying it that way, Andy?
SPEAKER 03 :
No, you are not. We must be able to loot and pillage. Otherwise, get out.
SPEAKER 07 :
Yeah.
SPEAKER 03 :
Okay. Because this is all about looting.
SPEAKER 07 :
And if you're not going along for the ride, then you're done.
SPEAKER 03 :
Right. When you can get a larger group of people together and vote yourself other people's money, all you're doing is looting with votes. Okay? That's all you're doing is looting. All right? And that's all that's happening coming up, what is it, in a week or two in New York. They're just going to be looting with money, with votes.
SPEAKER 07 :
Absolutely.
SPEAKER 03 :
OK. And right now there's a real schism, though, in the Democrat Party because and I think for a good reason. It's not that these people don't think that socialism and communism is the way to go. They do. OK. They believe you're moving too quick. They believe there's a backlash. They believe that's why we have Trump. And by the way, they're right. A lot of America right now is lashing back and saying, hey, wait a minute, what happened to merit? And that is why wokeness right now is on the downturn. Why? Because merit is surging. People are looking around and saying, wait a minute, shouldn't people be rewarded for working hard? Shouldn't people be rewarded for brilliance? Shouldn't they be rewarded for excellence? OK, and what the left is trying to do right now, Mamdani and all these people, it is a war on merit.
SPEAKER 07 :
Absolutely.
SPEAKER 03 :
I mean, they were at war with merit.
SPEAKER 07 :
OK, we don't care what you've. In fact, it's not even we don't care what you've accomplished. It's we're we're jealous and angry at what you've accomplished. In fact, we're going to steal that back from you.
SPEAKER 03 :
Right.
SPEAKER 07 :
We're going to take it from you. We don't like what you've done. We're going to take that from you.
SPEAKER 03 :
Right. We're grounded in hate.
SPEAKER 07 :
Yeah.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah. And so then I'm telling you.
SPEAKER 07 :
Which really quick, which is so odd because they're going to go against their own in doing that, Andy.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yes, they are.
SPEAKER 07 :
Because like you said earlier, make sure we remind everybody, those of you that are even on the left, you are the party of the rich now. Oh, yeah. You are the Democrats.
SPEAKER 03 :
Bill Gates.
SPEAKER 07 :
You guys always want to come out and talk about how you're for the poor and you're for this and you're for that. And I talked about it yesterday that it's the golden rule. No, it's the guy with the gold that rules. You have the gold. You're ruling. You want to rule over everybody else. Right. That's why you want more people in SNAP and EBT cards and everything else that's going on out there. You want that because that's how you can control people. You are the party of the oligarchs and the rich.
SPEAKER 03 :
Right. You see, it's very simple. The Republicans every day want you to wake up every day with other people needing you at a good job. OK, they need you to show up, go there and be great. Right. That's what Republicans want for you. They want you to have the money to both sides, want you to have the money. But Democrats want you to have the money in ways that you need them. They want you to wake up every day needing them. That's right. You need them to redistribute other people's money to you. Which, Andy, as we've talked about a lot. Because that's very empowering for the redistributor.
SPEAKER 07 :
Yes, and I mentioned this yesterday. Keep in mind, folks, everything we talk about, and we probably should be – I mean, I think we're pretty clear on this, but we tend to assume that a lot of people know this. So I'm going to make sure that in the future I continue to use my words more carefully – Because it's not just the left. These are Marxists.
SPEAKER 08 :
Right.
SPEAKER 07 :
Through and through. Everything Andy just explained about what's happening in New York City and, frankly, with Democrats across the country, that is the Marxist movement. These guys are hardcore Marxists through and through, and it's their goal to take the country over with their way of thought. Period.
SPEAKER 03 :
Exactly.
SPEAKER 07 :
At the end of the day, that's all they want, Andy.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah. Mamdani was saying, we're going to have free child care. We're going to have free busing. Okay. Now think about this for a moment. Because whether or not to have kids is a personal decision. You're going to have other people entirely pay for your decision. Not just, we already do it to a degree because I personally don't have kids. I pay higher taxes because I don't have kids to write off. I get that. But he's going way beyond that.
SPEAKER 07 :
And remember, too, that the next step of Marxism, that sounds all great, by the way. Oh, we're going to encourage you to have kids because we're going to help you with your child care and this, that, and the other until they don't want you to. Because remember, in Marxism, it'll eventually get to the point where, oh, wait a minute, Andy. Guess what? You want to have a kid? Well, you only have this kind. Right. And you can only have one, Andy.
SPEAKER 03 :
This many, this kind.
SPEAKER 07 :
Exactly. Believe me, they'll start off with this utopia of, oh, we're going to help you have more kids. Yeah.
SPEAKER 03 :
Hang tight. And by the way, if they're going to provide free health care, who's going to be running the health care? The state is. So the state is going to determine the values imparted to your kids. Now your kids are all going to think they're trans.
SPEAKER 08 :
That's right.
SPEAKER 03 :
Okay, now your kids are all going to be, by the way, in New York, believing Muslim.
SPEAKER 07 :
Good point.
SPEAKER 03 :
Okay. They are going to impart—of course they want to give free health care to your kids. They want them at the youngest age possible in their clutches.
SPEAKER 07 :
Indoctrinated.
SPEAKER 03 :
So they can indoctrinate them. That's right.
SPEAKER 07 :
That's absolutely right, Andy. That's absolutely right.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yes.
SPEAKER 07 :
Yes. Okay. And let me ask you this, Andy, really quick, because it's kind of a rhetorical question, but has this ever worked in history?
SPEAKER 03 :
No. Well, oh, yes and no. In a way, it absolutely works. If your goal is to seize power and to render great masses of people powerless to where they wake up every day needing rather than being needed.
SPEAKER 07 :
True.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yes.
SPEAKER 07 :
The problem is, where I was going with this, as you know, is this doesn't last unless you're communist China, which... You know, they were so oppressive and had such a large continent full of, you know, billions of people that they were lucky that it's still alive, by the way. And by the way, just as a side note, there are some rumors floating around. Don't know if this is true. The problem with China is you never know what's true. Let me make sure I state that. You never know what's true when it comes to what's coming out of China. There's some folks running around. I talked about this a few weeks ago. There are some folks out there right now claiming that China's population numbers are way overinflated, that there isn't near as many people there as what they would lead the rest of the world to believe, meaning everything they do is propped up, which, by the way, I don't know that I would disagree with.
SPEAKER 03 :
Well, I do know one real problem. Their population's old. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right.
SPEAKER 07 :
It's all smoke and mirrors, folks, across the board. It's like they're ghost cities, even Jordan Goodman talks about, Andy. The reality is everything in China, you never know whether it's real or not.
SPEAKER 03 :
Right. I mean, like, you've got all these leftists who are hardcore environmentalists, right? Hardcore. I'm talking here in America. They're hardcore environmentalists, but they're also pro-China. I got news for you. The only way China has been able to prop up its economy is on one word, coal. Right. Okay. So they've been propping up their economy on coal. And by the way, the reason they've been able to prosper doing that is that they have convinced enough, and they pour money into these environmental groups here in America.
SPEAKER 08 :
Mm-hmm.
SPEAKER 03 :
They do. Why? Because they want us to be stupid. And they know it's stupid. They know going away from coal is stupid. They know going away from oil and nuclear and all these things is idiotic. They need America, their main competitor, to be dumb and to spend way more for its energy than it needs to. And that benefits them. If they don't have that, they're going to crumble.
SPEAKER 07 :
And the reason why, folks listening, it benefits them is because they're the ones that produce the masses amount of, quote unquote, green energy.
SPEAKER 03 :
Well, yeah.
SPEAKER 07 :
I put quotes around it because it's not green. But the reason why Andy is correct is because, yes, they want that because they're the ones providing the majority of that to us.
SPEAKER 03 :
Exactly.
SPEAKER 07 :
Of course, it's in their best interest.
SPEAKER 03 :
They run on coal and they provide the green energy, you know.
SPEAKER 07 :
I mean, it's a great scam they've got running.
SPEAKER 03 :
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. The solar panels, all that stuff.
SPEAKER 07 :
Yeah, it's the best thing ever, Andy.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah, they build the green energy for the stupid people.
SPEAKER 07 :
And we're dumb enough to accept it.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah, but although, I've got to be honest, there are a lot of people, the greenies over here, you think, oh, my gosh, why do they buy into that? They don't. They know it's a crock. They do.
SPEAKER 07 :
They do.
SPEAKER 03 :
They know it's all a complete lie. They do. They simply hate America.
SPEAKER 07 :
That's right.
SPEAKER 03 :
Okay. So they want America to come down. They want energy to be more expensive here because they want America to decline.
SPEAKER 07 :
That's right. They would rather, you know, these are folks, honestly, that would rather live in China than here. They just move in the first place and be done with it.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah. They despise America. They're only here for one reason, bring it down.
SPEAKER 07 :
To destroy it. That's right.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah. I woke up every day of my young life knowing and hearing how evil America was and how America was to blame for all the world's ills, John. I don't get that. Yeah.
SPEAKER 07 :
I don't understand.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah, that is.
SPEAKER 07 :
It doesn't make any sense to me.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah.
SPEAKER 07 :
Well, country on the planet. I mean, to me, that's just I don't get that.
SPEAKER 03 :
Well, you got to keep my my family was left left wing academics. OK, that's this was academia.
SPEAKER 07 :
I know.
SPEAKER 03 :
I know. And this, by the way, was teaching your kids for the last 60 years.
SPEAKER 07 :
So good point.
SPEAKER 03 :
Isn't that wonderful? That's the only reason that a Mamdani can happen.
SPEAKER 07 :
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SPEAKER 05 :
The best export we have is common sense. You're listening to Rush to Reason.
SPEAKER 03 :
And welcome back to Rush to Reason. Denver's Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560. John Rush together with Andy Page. John, in the last segment, we were talking about the big donors on the left are pulling back their money right now because they're worried it's not paying off, right? Because why do you put the money in to win? And here's why they're worried. OK, they're not worried because they disagree at their heart. They are Marxists.
SPEAKER 07 :
Oh, yeah, absolutely.
SPEAKER 03 :
OK, they're Marxists who hit it rich, who got rich. And by the way, a lot of these Marxists got rich off government. All right. And I won't even go into that. Very true. You're going to be talking about Bill Gates in a moment who, by the way, did very well with government help. But here's why they're seeing it go wrong, because the smart people in the Democrat Party have always said, don't move too quick. By the way, we do some of that, too. We look at our purists here in Colorado and say, you can't run Iran-Hanks statewide. Okay, he'll get clobbered. Okay, they're looking at the same thing, and here's what I mean. Did you know only 30 out of the 50 states actually directly track Republican versus Democrat registration? I don't know if you knew that. No, only 30 out of 50? Well, it gets muddied in some other ways, and I won't go into that. But guess how many of those states, out of 30, have Republican registration surging over the Democrats over the last four years?
SPEAKER 07 :
Over half.
SPEAKER 1 :
30.
SPEAKER 03 :
30.
SPEAKER 07 :
30 out of 30 states. So 100%.
SPEAKER 1 :
100%.
SPEAKER 03 :
Wow. Have Republican registration soaring and Democrat registration. That says a lot. Yeah, including here in Colorado.
SPEAKER 07 :
Meaning that's why some of these donors are looking at some of that as well. Believe me, these aren't dumb people. They're looking at it thinking, wait a minute, why would I put money into a sinking ship? Right.
SPEAKER 03 :
Right. And what they're saying is this. That is happening during a time when our AOCs are out front being way too honest about what we believe behind closed doors. They say this. Keep it behind closed doors. Out front, act pro-America. Out front, act pro-police. Out front, act pro-capitalism. Act. Lie. Always lie. Remember, Democrat uses words to conceal their thoughts not to reveal. And their problem is there's too much revealing going on with AOC. And they're seeing a lot of losses. And that's why I believe they're looking at that and saying, we've got to pull back the money. This is not a good strategy.
SPEAKER 07 :
Can't argue. And one of those, by the way, that I think you're going to see pull some money back because of what he just said today. And this article coming out, Charlie just found this and sent it to us. And I would hesitate to read this to you all if it wasn't coming from Huffington Post because that's about as left as it gets. Yeah, it is. And for them to push this particular article out means I don't really even have to go verify this because they wouldn't be putting this out if it weren't true is my point, Andy.
SPEAKER 03 :
Okay.
SPEAKER 07 :
Because they're the same people you were just talking about. Yeah. Yeah. So Bill Gates claims that climate change won't destroy humanity after all. Scientists quickly condemned the billionaire philanthropist, claiming that the doomsday outlook on climate change has gone too far. Bill Gates, by the way, once a vocal clean energy advocate, said in a lengthy memo that there's too much of doomsday outlook on climate change and claimed it would not lead to humanity's demise. The tech billionaire and philanthropist also published a book called How to Avoid a Climate Disaster in 2021, but he released this memo, or released a memo this week before the United Nations Annual Climate Summit in Brazil. In it, he argues that many of the resources dedicated to fighting climate change should be reallocated to helping people living with poverty and poor health so that extreme weather isn't a threat to them. The idea that climate change is the greatest threat to life on Earth is wrong, Gates claimed. Wow.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah, and by the way, can I amend one part of that article? It said scientists condemned. No, no, no, no, no, no. No, these aren't scientists. They're scientist activists. They're not scientists. Condemned. Yeah. These aren't scientists. They're activists with a scientist label. They're activists in lab coats.
SPEAKER 07 :
This is a quote from Bill Gates. Although climate change will have serious consequences, particularly for people in the poorest countries, by the way, I would argue that one, it will not lead to humanity's demise, he wrote. People will be able to live and thrive in most places on Earth for the foreseeable future. Emissions projections have gone down, and with the right policies and investments, innovation will allow us to drive emissions down even further. Wow. I mean, sometimes a blind squirrel finds a nut, Andy.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah.
SPEAKER 07 :
Imagine that.
SPEAKER 03 :
Why do you think, John, that he's doing this? I mean, obviously... There was something in it for him, so what is it? Bill Gates has known this for a long time. This is not news to him. He knew he was part of a scam, I believe, for the last decade or two.
SPEAKER 07 :
Here's my thought on that, Andy.
SPEAKER 03 :
So why has he come out now?
SPEAKER 07 :
Well, because I think... Because of what you just said, he's on the inside of this even more than anybody else. I think what you're going to see here in the not-too-distant future, and this is probably just the beginning of, is, as Andy was stating earlier, these aren't scientists. These are activists. And I think you're going to start seeing some real data come out that basically proves everything that we've been talking about in our program, by the way, for quite some time. And I think what Bill Gates is finally realizing is, you know what, we're not going to keep this stuff secret forever. We might as well just admit it. Let's get people to focus their resources in other places. Let's admit that this nonsense isn't going to happen. After all, let's shift gears. Let's catch it while we can so we don't have egg on our face when it's all said and done.
SPEAKER 03 :
Right.
SPEAKER 07 :
So people don't realize that it's a scam, maybe, Andy, is why he's doing this.
SPEAKER 03 :
He's trying to ease his way out of it ahead of time.
SPEAKER 07 :
Correct.
SPEAKER 03 :
You know, maybe he just thinks the jig is up, and I'm going to beat the rush.
SPEAKER 07 :
I think that's exactly what he's saying. I mean, we're going to have somebody that's an expert on this join us here a little bit later today. It's ironic that this came out, and we'll have Larry on later, Larry Behrens on, who's an expert in this, to see his thoughts, because these are the same things that he and we have been preaching for quite some time now.
SPEAKER 03 :
Oh, yes. Oh, yes.
SPEAKER 07 :
It's a big scam. It's a big fleecing of America.
SPEAKER 03 :
And by the way, when I say they're not scientists, look, I understand. There are people with PhDs, scientific PhDs on each side. Right. Okay, I get that. I'm simply saying I don't care what your degree says. If you believe in global warming destroying the planet, you're an activist because they know they're fudging the numbers. Correct. They know that they're messing with the numbers heavily.
SPEAKER 07 :
Yep.
SPEAKER 03 :
And, you know, any any idiot can simply look at when we talk about rising sea levels. OK, we've had industrialization now. We're going on 200 years. Right. OK, that we've had it right.
SPEAKER 07 :
Heavy for the last hundred.
SPEAKER 03 :
Heavy for the last hundred. OK. And you've seen the picture of the Statue of Liberty and the sea level at the at the Statue of Liberty. And you look at it then. What? One hundred hundred and some years ago, 100 years ago, whatever. And you look at it today. It's the same.
SPEAKER 07 :
And the other thing that we keep talking about all the time, for those of you that poo-poo that, how many rich billionaire Democrats live on the coast?
SPEAKER 03 :
Tons.
SPEAKER 07 :
Most. Nearly all. But Andy, if they're all going to be underwater, why would they invest money there?
SPEAKER 03 :
Oh, yeah. This was when Al Gore was predicting sea levels were going to rise many feet, right? And right during that, he built a mansion right on the coastline.
SPEAKER 07 :
Because they're a bunch of hypocrites.
SPEAKER 03 :
Total hypocrites. They don't believe in anything.
SPEAKER 07 :
No, they do not. It's been the biggest fleecing. I also think in Gates's world, I think he's also – and it's in this article – he wants to promote his small nuclear reactors, which, by the way, I'm a fan of. I mean, I'll be right there with him on that one. Again, I don't like the guy, but when it comes to his terror power – And the ability to power, you know, small cities with, you know, or even some of these, you know, server farms with nuclear power and so on. You know what? If we can condense that stuff down and make it work along those lines, Andy, I'm all for it.
SPEAKER 03 :
Oh, I love it. I absolutely love it. It's just amazing to see the damn crack. Now, is he going to be the last? I don't think he will.
SPEAKER 07 :
I don't think so either. No, I don't think so either. No, he's too much of the leader of some of this, Andy, to be the first or to be the last. He's the first, and others will then follow.
SPEAKER 03 :
Admit it, though. You're shocked. I am.
SPEAKER 07 :
I am shocked. I'll be the first to admit it because he has been such a staunch, you know, hardcore. I mean, he's like Al Gore's brother almost when it comes to some of this sort of stuff, Andy.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah.
SPEAKER 07 :
Literally. I'm not exaggerating when I say that. He's literally been that much of a zealot for this stuff.
SPEAKER 03 :
John, this is basically, you've got a cult, and somebody has emerged from the cult, a leader, taken off his robe, and turned and said, that's a cult.
SPEAKER 07 :
Right.
SPEAKER 03 :
This is garbage. That is what just happened. I don't know if people understand this.
SPEAKER 07 :
I don't think so either. This is really big news. I don't know that most people really understand that. Those of you that are on the left, by the way, this really... throws back in your face this whole idea that we're all going to die from, you know, quote-unquote climate change, and you got one of your biggest supporters saying, yeah, no, not so much.
SPEAKER 15 :
Right.
SPEAKER 07 :
Not going to happen. Not in my lifetime. Not in your lifetime either. So, yeah, quit worrying about it. Let's go do something else that matters.
SPEAKER 03 :
But all these leaders, they understand it. They know that the medieval warming period was actually a couple degrees warmer than we have today. They understand.
SPEAKER 07 :
Warming is actually a good thing for most of these, even these areas that Bill Gates is worried about. Oh, yeah. Being warmer in a lot of cases actually helps them, not hurts them.
SPEAKER 03 :
John, being one degree warmer is not going to kill the Sahara.
SPEAKER 07 :
No.
SPEAKER 03 :
You know, you might say, well, it'll expand it. You know, actually, no.
SPEAKER 07 :
Probably not.
SPEAKER 03 :
Not much. Well, a full degree. But, I mean, there hasn't been anything like a full degree in warming anyway.
SPEAKER 07 :
So here's a question for you.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah, go ahead.
SPEAKER 07 :
How will a lot of the now, you know, news agencies that, you know, it's all the same mantra, they get their marching orders, you know, when there's a hot day in Phoenix, you know, it's the record this and it's the record that. And even here in Denver, if there's a particular one day where, you know, we've broke a record, that's all you hear. It's, you know, it's plastered everywhere. You think the sky is falling. Will any of that change?
SPEAKER 03 :
No, I think it's going to escalate. Because, look.
SPEAKER 07 :
They're going to come out harder than they've been on that then because of this?
SPEAKER 03 :
Yes, because when desperation starts to hit, you crank up the volume. When you don't know the facts, speak louder.
SPEAKER 07 :
I can't argue that. So in other words, they're going to be louder to counter what Bill just did.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yes.
SPEAKER 07 :
I can't argue that.
SPEAKER 03 :
They're going to speak louder.
SPEAKER 07 :
Somebody just asked, what about Greta? Where's she at in all this? Greta Thunberg. She's a dodo head.
SPEAKER 03 :
Greta Thunberg, which just blows my mind. I just want to remind everybody that this young activist has never, ever gotten into a one-on-one debate.
SPEAKER 07 :
With anybody.
SPEAKER 03 :
With a scientist on the other side.
SPEAKER 07 :
She can't. Can't never. And she's and we've talked about her. We've talked about her in the past. I want to make sure everybody's clear on this. In the case of Greta, she's been nothing more than a political puppet propped up by her parents in the first place. She's gotten extremely wealthy. And so is her family off of what she's done with her speaking engagements and other things. I would hardly believe or I would have a hard time believing that Greta even believes in everything that she actually promotes and talks about. She just knows it's a good gig to make money.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah, Greta Thunberg, at the base of it, is simply just another Marxist who hates the left.
SPEAKER 07 :
Correct.
SPEAKER 03 :
She knows that this is a way to tear down— He hates the right, you mean. Hates the left. Hates the right. Thank you.
SPEAKER 07 :
You're welcome. That's all right. No, I get it.
SPEAKER 03 :
I talk a lot.
SPEAKER 07 :
That's fine.
SPEAKER 03 :
You miss a word.
SPEAKER 07 :
I understand, but I want to make sure that we're— Absolutely. I want to make sure nobody comes back and says you guys were wrong.
SPEAKER 03 :
And you know what I really meant is she hates the West.
SPEAKER 07 :
Yeah, that's a good one. That's a better way to say it.
SPEAKER 03 :
She hates Western civilization, which, of course, is, you know. And these people, what they do is this. The communists, and that's what they are. They're communists. They infiltrate Western civilization. They did it, of course, early on through our educational system. Now they do it through entertainment, through the sports industry, through big tech and so forth.
SPEAKER 08 :
Right.
SPEAKER 03 :
And media, of course. And what their goal is to do is to tear down the West. They hate the West. They hate your liberty. They hate the fact that you can make decisions every day on how to live your life. They don't want that. Right. They want to take that away. And so what they do is the big problem they have is this. The West succeeded. It built incredible wealth and was blowing the East away. OK. And so all they could do is they couldn't just compete with us one on one. They had to subvert us from within. It's worked pretty well.
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SPEAKER 07 :
All right, that was about Bill Gates, and Charlie and Andy were just talking through the break. You guys couldn't hear this, but the reason why a publication like Huffington Post that is so far to the left would put that out is that's a shame. They're trying to shame Bill Gates, just like a Bill Maher or anybody else would come out and be against them in this. Trust me, it's real. My whole point with that is it's real. He said that. They're now trying to shame him for saying so. That's why they put that publication out. That's true. That article out.
SPEAKER 03 :
Let me ask you this. Do you think that environmental the attitudes of Americans are starting to shift environmentally like they did on wokeism? Wokeism has now shift shifted to where being woke is out of vogue. OK. And is I mean, most Americans still are fairly environmentalist. But do you see it shifting?
SPEAKER 07 :
Yeah, because I think they've realized it's a cost. It's taking money out of their wallet. Their heating costs are up. Their electricity costs are up. What it costs to actually buy and fix a car are up. Here in Colorado, you get a catalytic converter that goes bad or one is stolen, and you now have to buy a California catalytic converter because of our stupid governor here in Colorado and our legislator. So you're now paying double for that catalytic converter than you were before. And frankly, there is absolutely zero benefit in doing so other than it's costing you more money.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah, I know that. But, John, for the longest time, most Americans had idiotically convinced themselves that they could blame the rich. The rich are soaking you. That's why the costs are up. The prices are up. They're jacking it up so they can pocket more money for their next mansion. That's why they're doing it. John. um they've been able to get away with that for a long time the environmentalists have they've been the environmentalists everything they do makes your life cost dramatically more and makes you get way less out of your money everything and i mean everything it does but when the environmentalists do does no good for you and does a lot of harm but they've convinced people it's the rich
SPEAKER 07 :
But when it finally starts to come home to your pocketbook, you're getting charged 10 cents for a bag and you're having this catalytic converter thing I just talked about a moment ago. It's costing more to heat your home and run your lights and drive your car and this, that, and the other. I mean, when it finally comes home and it's like, wait a minute, hang on, time out. It's not really the rich that's doing this. These are Democrat policies that are actually affecting my pocketbook. It wasn't Republicans that put this catalytic converter law into Colorado. It was the left that did that. And I go down the list, Andy, of the other things that have happened to make those costs go up. And I think people, you know, the hardcore lefties, they're bought in hook, line, and sinker.
SPEAKER 01 :
Yeah, I don't care about that.
SPEAKER 07 :
They're dumb as rocks. They don't know the difference. I'm talking the middle. But the middle, I think, is looking at this finally saying, wait a minute, you know what? I hear these guys even on the radio at times, and I read some of this stuff, and I hear people talking, and, you know, at the end of the day, hmm, it really isn't the rich that's causing this. It's the policies of these lefties, these Democrats that are actually making this happen. It's really not anybody on the right that's rich that's doing this.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah, and I think another thing they're saying is this. The people behind all this are becoming rich.
SPEAKER 07 :
Yeah, good one, Andy. Absolutely, yes.
SPEAKER 03 :
I mean, these are people who don't produce anything. I mean, Gates does. Gates has produced wonderful things.
SPEAKER 07 :
He's one of those exceptions.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah, but there's a lot of people on the left who get very rich producing nothing.
SPEAKER 07 :
Politicians especially.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah, insider trading.
SPEAKER 07 :
Just leftist politicians like Pelosi that become millionaires off of insider trading.
SPEAKER 03 :
Absolutely. Yeah.
SPEAKER 07 :
Absolutely.
SPEAKER 03 :
I just kind of, okay, well, tell you what, let's move to one of ours. No, you're fine. Let's move to one of ours.
SPEAKER 07 :
Well, I want to move, yeah. Okay. I hate to do this, but Marjorie Taylor Greene, who there's some of you out there that probably love her. I am not one of those and really never have been. She's one of those where, yes, a blind squirrel finds a nut, as I said earlier, when it comes to folks on the left. But Marjorie Taylor Greene, I have no other way to say it. She is an absolute wackadoodle. She is now fighting with Mike Johnson over this shutdown and what our strategy should be and so on.
SPEAKER 03 :
She wants us to buckle.
SPEAKER 07 :
Yeah, she wants us to buckle. She feels like it's affecting those that are out in areas trying to get reelected and so on. And she's even talking about how Donald Trump's losing support, different things along those lines. She's lost her ever-loving mind. She is an absolute total wackadoodle.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah. Look, and I will say this. I'll give her points for one thing. Everybody in Washington is losing support a little bit.
SPEAKER 07 :
True.
SPEAKER 03 :
But the Democrats are hemorrhaging support.
SPEAKER 07 :
Yeah, we just proved that in the first, you know, whatever, 40 minutes of the show today, Andy, 45 minutes of the show today.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah. The shutdown is hurting Democrats more than it's hurting Republicans. Absolutely. Now, it is hurting. Does it hurt Republicans? Some, yeah, because it hurts everybody. Because there are people who are saying, man, crank it back up. Okay. Yeah. But we're about to have elections here in New Jersey and Virginia. Now, I do believe the Democrats outside of one race, which is the AG race in Virginia. Outside of that, I think they're going to sweep and win all these. But they were supposed to win these by 10 to 15, 16 points. They're going to win them by five. And what that tells you is this. They're hemorrhaging support nationwide. It's not working for them. And by the way, the worst thing we can do right now is break ranks.
SPEAKER 07 :
We need to stick together.
SPEAKER 03 :
But she has no loyalty to the Republican Party. She hasn't for the longest time.
SPEAKER 07 :
She is an absolute loose cannon. I know other way to say it.
SPEAKER 03 :
And we have to keep in mind, we have to keep in mind, Wasn't she a Gates backer?
SPEAKER 07 :
Oh, yeah.
SPEAKER 03 :
Okay. Oh, yeah. Matt Gates. Yeah, she's part of the Matt Gates cult.
SPEAKER 07 :
If she were in Colorado, she would be riding for Rhino Watch.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah, she would.
SPEAKER 07 :
Sorry, but she would be.
SPEAKER 03 :
Right.
SPEAKER 07 :
And those knuckleheads would have her ride in in a heartbeat because they're as dumb as she is.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah, and she bashes Israel left and right. She hates Israel.
SPEAKER 07 :
She's a Jew hater.
SPEAKER 03 :
Oh, she's a Jew hater all the way. Right. Okay, so you got... I mean, look, she's from the crazy people.
SPEAKER 07 :
Her and Candace Owens ought to start their own show together.
SPEAKER 03 :
They really should.
SPEAKER 07 :
Because they're both as cray-cray as the other.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER 07 :
Literally.
SPEAKER 03 :
And then, of course, you've got a couple people from Kentucky who just are messy. You could throw them in there as well.
SPEAKER 07 :
Yeah, he's another one.
SPEAKER 03 :
Throw him in there as well. Yeah, I agree. You know, these people are worthless. And what really angers me is this, John. They come from red districts and states where we could do better. We can upgrade. We can still have good, very hardcore, rock-ribbed conservatives who aren't nuts.
SPEAKER 07 :
But it wouldn't make us look like a bunch of nuts. Right. Because she does. Yes. And she is not us. For those of you that are on the left, no, MTG does not stand for me at all. Her and I rarely agree, by the way. She is a wackadoodle. She's an alien, UFO, Tucker Carlson weirdo.
SPEAKER 03 :
And she's been heavily criticizing Donald Trump.
SPEAKER 07 :
Yeah, well, so have some others. He's the big problem.
SPEAKER 03 :
He's a real problem. He's a problem. No, he isn't. Actually, he's the greatest president of my lifetime.
SPEAKER 07 :
Yeah, and if it weren't for him, I'm not sure MTG would even be there.
SPEAKER 03 :
No.
SPEAKER 07 :
Truthfully.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah.
SPEAKER 07 :
Because she's, again, she's a loose cannon.
SPEAKER 03 :
Hey, what did you think of Trump endorsing Jeff Hurd?
SPEAKER 07 :
I love it.
SPEAKER 03 :
In CD3.
SPEAKER 07 :
I love it.
SPEAKER 03 :
So, yeah.
SPEAKER 07 :
And those of you that are writing letters to Trump saying he shouldn't have done that, you're a dope. You're insane. Sorry, you're a dope.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah, let me remind people, okay?
SPEAKER 07 :
Jeff Heard... And by the way, you know who you are.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah. Jeff Heard won by four points in CD3, a district that Lauren Boebert had to flee because she was going to get crushed there. Okay, Lauren Boebert... was going to get beat handily in CD3. So she runs to CD4. And by the way, she cut our winning percent.
SPEAKER 07 :
Way down.
SPEAKER 03 :
Our winning margin by almost 50% there. Okay. She dropped it from Ken Buck from about 24% to about 12.5%. I mean, she killed us in CD4. But CD4 is deep red. Still on. Okay. Anyway, Jeff Hurd. He replaced her and he won that district by 4% that she was going to lose. And he won the primary over a guy, Ron Hanks, who was so bad that the Democrat was pouring in money to help that guy, Ron Hanks, beat Jeff Herd in our primary. Now Jeff Herd is running in the primary against a lunatic. Our former vice chair, Hope Shepelman.
SPEAKER 07 :
Yes, she's a lunatic.
SPEAKER 03 :
Hope Shepelman, who claims that she was stalked by someone she can't prove existed.
SPEAKER 07 :
She's loonier than MTG.
SPEAKER 03 :
She is. Hope Shepelman is one of the few people.
SPEAKER 07 :
Which is hard to do, by the way, Andy.
SPEAKER 03 :
She is one of the few people with the R on her chest, Republican on her chest, who is nuttier than MTG.
SPEAKER 07 :
That's hard to do, I just said.
SPEAKER 03 :
Right. It really is. And these people literally want hope instead of Jeff Hurt.
SPEAKER 07 :
Okay. They're insane.
SPEAKER 03 :
And Jeff Hurd is in a purple district. And yet he has voted with Trump about 98 percent of the time. And these people are angry. Now, is he had a vote or two that I didn't like? Yes. And I've said so. OK, but my goodness, coming from a purple district, he has been, I would almost say, too red.
SPEAKER 07 :
Yeah, and just so you all know, Hope in that district is 1,000% unelectable.
SPEAKER 03 :
Oh, yeah.
SPEAKER 07 :
Guaranteed. 1,000% unelectable.
SPEAKER 03 :
Guaranteed she would lose.
SPEAKER 07 :
Yep, that's a guarantee.
SPEAKER 03 :
0% chance of winning that district. So if Hope were our candidate, that's a Democrat district. We'd lose the House.
SPEAKER 07 :
Fortunately, she probably won't be, but that just shows you how loony some parts of our party here in Colorado are.
SPEAKER 03 :
Hope's going to lose that primary by between 30% and 40%.
SPEAKER 07 :
And hopefully she'll ride off to another state when she's done.
SPEAKER 03 :
Please do.
SPEAKER 07 :
And by the way, take Rhino Watch and the rest of the loons with you.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yes.
SPEAKER 07 :
Because they're total loons.
SPEAKER 03 :
They're nuts. I can't stress that enough. As you know, when Trump endorsed her, I asked online, well, will Rhino Watch now declare Trump a never-Trumper?
SPEAKER 07 :
You know what's funny, really quick for a lot of you listening, and I know I bash Rhino Watch a lot, but rightfully so. They need to go away. I never once ever hear from anybody from their side defending what they do, either in a text message, either calling in an email. Not one person on that side can defend their actions.
SPEAKER 03 :
No.
SPEAKER 07 :
Because they're indefensible. There's nothing there to defend, Andy.
SPEAKER 03 :
Now, all they do is lie through their teeth.
SPEAKER 07 :
Total bunch of looney tune liars that are masquerading as Republicans. It's funny. They call themselves Rhino Watch when they should just go look in the mirror because they're the real rhinos, Republican in name only. They are not Republicans.
SPEAKER 03 :
Last question before we go to break. Do you believe that the leaders of Rhino Watch flat out simply want to destroy the Republican Party?
SPEAKER 07 :
I believe they do. We'll talk more about that momentarily as we come back. Don't have a lot of time. Paul Leuenberger coming up next. Great guy, by the way. He loves to help you with your insurance needs. He is my broker, 303-662-0789.
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SPEAKER 07 :
All right, Andy asked me if I believe Rhino Watch and those that are associated with them, their goal is to take the party down in Colorado. Yeah, although let me say it this way. They want to take it to a point where no one's electable, but they're still in charge because there's still a certain amount of money that roll in with any party, and they know that, and they know that they can control the purse strings at the end of the day. By the way, these are people that, frankly, don't have a lot of money. They're not wealthy people. They need these positions and what they're doing right now to be able to feed their own families, if you would. They're grifters, and they know that that's where the money's at. So literally, they are grabbing at the purse strings of the GOP here in Colorado, hoping they can hang on as long as possible.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah, and bottom line, without the caucus system in Colorado, they would be done instantly.
SPEAKER 07 :
That's why they're hanging on to it. They can't compete. That's why they're hanging on to it for dear life, because without it, they're all out of jobs and income when it's all said and done. So I'll leave it at that. Got more to come. Two more hours coming your way. Rush to Reason, Denver's Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560.
SPEAKER 06 :
Rich guys.
