In this episode of Mobile Estate Planning, host Michael Bailey addresses the common holiday rush to complete estate plans. Many clients feel the pressure to start or finish their estate planning before the year's end, but Michael shares his insights on why proper estate planning should not be rushed. He explains his process, the time it requires, and why it's essential to plan accordingly to ensure everything is carried out smoothly. Michael intertwines personal anecdotes about balancing family commitments during the holiday while maintaining his professional responsibilities. He discusses the importance of making time for both and shares stories that highlight the sometimes amusing and sometimes challenging intersection of family life and estate planning. Tune in to gain a rich perspective on how planning for the future is not just a professional obligation but a personal one as well.
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Welcome to Mobile Estate Planning with your host, Michael Bailey. Over a decade ago, attorney Michael Bailey turned his attention to estate law after he recognized the unacceptable number of adults without proper end-of-life planning. Michael recognizes that many of his clients have difficulty finding the time for making a proper estate plan. That's why he became the Mobile Estate Planner. He will go to wherever you are to assist you with your estate planning, including writing wills, trusts, and giving you the information you need to avoid probate. Now, ATX, Ask the Experts, presents Mobile Estate Planning with your host, Michael Bailey.
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Good afternoon. Welcome to Mobile Estate Planning with Michael Bailey. So we can do something besides just leave your family alone. You're listening to KLZ 560 AM, also heard on 100.7 FM or the KLZ 560 radio app. Phone number to talk to me on the air is 303-477-5600. And again, that's 303-477-5600. And again, that's 303-477-5600. And my direct line is 720-394-6887. Once again, that's 720-394-6887. So last week I said, well, I'll be back in a couple weeks. I'm like, wait a minute. I'm off by a week. I think that the Thanksgiving holiday coming the last Thursday, we all thought we had an extra week in between Thanksgiving and Christmas, which is Part of why Christmas shopping are like, ah, we still need to do that or we need to do this or, you know, just kind of threw things off a little bit. And, you know, next week is Christmas. And then the week after that, I believe, is New Year's Day. So I probably won't be back for a couple of weeks. And, you know, just if you really need your estate planning fix, I can't think of anybody who would need their estate planning fix. Can you think of anybody, Luke, who might need their estate planning fix on Christmas and or New Year's Day? I don't I don't know. You don't know? I don't know who might or might not. I just can't think that there's something that would be, you know, you're like, really, Christmas Day? You're going to think about your own estate plan? It's fine to think about, but do you really need to listen to a radio show about it? I don't think so. No, probably not. It seems like that would be excessive. But, you know, that's just me. So but as we get towards the end of the year, it's amazing how many people are pretty sure that they either need to finish their estate plan by the end of the year or both start and finish it by the end of the year. Because, you know, December 18th is the greatest time ever or the 19th or the 20th to try to set up your estate plan. I mean, there's there's not a bad time to set up your estate plan unless it's too late. There's also, you know, and it's also not like a perfect time to do so. I mean, when you do, it is the best time. But it's kind of funny to me that people will call and they're like, oh, well, you know, I need to get my estate plan. I need to, you know, I need to get it done by the end of the year. And I'm like, well. you might need to look for somebody else who has earlier availability than I do. And that's simply because it does take time to do an estate plan. And as much as I'd like to be able to work and get everything done for people by the end of the year, It usually takes me a couple of weeks to put together a draft copy because once I get information and talk to you, I'll send it off to my paralegal and she'll draft things and get back to me. And I give her a couple of weeks to put together a draft copy. So I don't really, I mean, so this yesterday and today I've been telling people like, well, or like last week, tell people like, well, you know, two weeks from today is Christmas and I'm mean, but I'm not that mean. I probably will not make my paralegal work on Christmas. It just seems like a bad idea. Yeah. So if it's a couple of extra days past the two weeks and people are like, yeah, I totally get that. I'm like, that's cool. But there's something about the person who hasn't planned ahead and is panicking a little bit that when I say I'm not available any time before the end of the year, they seem to somehow get... You know, it's almost like they were hoping that I was, and I don't know if I was like their last chance or if they thought that I would be able to, you know, get them in and accommodate them. But my days are booked from 9 a.m. to 5 p.m. You know, today I have an appointment at 4 o'clock to get a trust signed. And then I'm leaving from there and I'm going to the airport to pick up my daughter from the airport. She is 45. finished with finals and she is flying in tonight so we'll have her home for a couple of weeks from college and then we can send her back but in the meantime it's uh you know i'm when people like oh you know i really need this done can i meet with you at like 5 30 or 6 and i'm like nope not today And, you know, other days I'm like, well, they're like, you know, so today I pick up my daughter at 640 from the airport. Tomorrow my middle daughter, the 15-year-old, has a volleyball scrimmage that runs from 515 until 715. Well, I have an appointment in the tech center from 4 to 5, and then I'm supposed to be in Broomfield by 515 tomorrow. So I'm guessing I'll be late to that one unless if everybody's listening and they would like to just pull off to the side of I-25 and Highway 36 that I can just drive as fast as I want. I pretend like I'm an emergency vehicle or something. I would appreciate that. But I don't think anybody's going to do that for me. I think they all have places they need to get to. And then Friday night, I have a basketball game to officiate. So I'll referee that. It's just, you know, my nights and my evenings are spoken for by family. Okay. And, you know, people are like, well, you know, I work during the day. Can you meet in the evening or the weekends? I'm like, no, just can't do it. Don't have... I mean, this last Saturday, I was in charge of our Christmas party at the church. So I was there about 7.30 in the morning. So I had a basketball game to officiate. I finished about 9. Got to the church at 9.15. Set things up until 10.20. Went home. Well, actually... One of the other guys wanted to go to In-N-Out Burger because it's his favorite place to go. So we were convinced to go get In-N-Out at 1030 at night because why wouldn't you get a hamburger at 1030? I'm really. And so we did that. And then I was up. And so I was back at the church about 730 the next morning and I set up for an hour and a half. Got things ready, and then from about 8.30 to 9.45, I was scrambling eggs and cooking scrambled eggs. I scrambled 120 eggs for the party. I bought 180 eggs, but not everybody showed up, so we didn't have as many that we needed to do. But still, so for an hour and 15 minutes, I stood in scrambled eggs and made scrambled eggs. Because everybody knows that the perfect breakfast for Christmas is, of course, scrambled eggs with bacon, ham, and cheese and or sausage on them. So that's what we did. We had a scrambled egg bar. And then we had everybody bring like their favorite cinnamon roll or orange roll or other sweet treat. And so they could eat both. And, you know, that was and then we did that and we sang some Christmas songs, some Christmas carols. And then we had a visit from a visitor from the North Pole who came and did that. And so that's what I did until about 11. Well, we finished about 1030 and then I was. Cleaning up till about 1115, and then I had to leave to go get my daughter from volleyball practice. And then later that night, one of the other church congregations, the person who was going to be that special visitor from the North Pole, was unable to do so. So they called me and asked if I would be able to be a fill-in. And so later that night I was. So I spent... four or five hours on our own Christmas party, and then another couple at somebody else's Christmas party, helping people out, serving people of our church congregation. And those were good things to do, but it did mean that somebody who wanted me to start on their estate plan last Saturday was going to be out of luck for no reason other than I was busy. So you are listening to Mobile Estate Planning with Michael Bailey here on KLZ 560 AM, also heard on 100.7 FM or the KLZ 560 radio app. The phone number to talk to me on the air is 303-477-5600. And again, that's 303-477-5600. And my direct line is 720-394-6887. And once again, 720-394-6887. Now, I tell you this story is not to be like, look, I'm so busy and I can't possibly help you. I'm like, no, I want to help you. I want to help as many people as I can as quickly as I can. And I want to be able to do that, but I also want to do it the right way. And I don't want to sacrifice what else needs to be done or, you know, don't want to sacrifice. I mean, obviously we, we go off to, uh, when we go off to various, um, places to do things with family. And every time I go to work, I'm, you know, my family is, you know, my kids are in school right now. Um, my wife is either working or doing other stuff. So it's not like you have to say, well, I'm going to spend every moment with my family is in every moment with everybody else. But, um, there, you know, if I, if I'm working during the day, it's nice to see my family in the evenings and in the, on the weekends because they're important and need to be taken care of too. I mean, ultimately that's why we're doing an estate plan anyways, to take care of our families because If I set up my will or my trust, I've done both, and I've got everything set up, it's like, well, why do I care? If I'm dead and gone, why does it matter? I'm like, well, first of all, I do love my wife and I want to take care of her. So if I die... I don't want her to leave her with a mess going, well, wait a minute, who's supposed to get what and how do we transfer ownership and, you know, how do we access the bank accounts and who's going to, you know, is life insurance going to pay out? Do we even have life insurance? You know, how do I pay for the house? How do I pay for kids? You know, what do I do? Well, you know, there is life insurance that does pay out and that would help pay off the house. It would help pay for the kids. You know, all of those things are there. All those things exist. And we go, okay, well, we've got all those wonderful things. That's awesome. But how do we and what do we do with that? And how do we make that work? How do we make that properly accessible? accomplish what we want and you know how do we have it all laid out so that my wife who hopefully will be sad if I go you know hopefully she would grieve me and not like be celebratory but if she was celebratory that's fine too but as we I don't want her to be trying to navigate all this legal stuff and trying to figure everything out when Um, we're trying to, you know, right after having lost me. So we've got that in place. Now also we lose, you know, what, what if my wife and I are both past both pass away? Now we're, you know, not necessarily young. We're not necessarily old. We're kind of in the middle of somewhere. I felt really old moving my daughter into her dorm in August when I took her to college. I'm like, I swear I was just here, just graduated from here a couple weeks ago, and why in the world do I now have an 18-year-old? It just didn't make a whole lot of sense to me. But I do understand how those things go and how that works. And I'm not upset about it or anything. I'm just like, oh, right, okay, we can't. But since I'm in the middle somewhere, I'm not young, I'm not old, but I do need an estate plan. I need it set up so that I know what's going to happen to things. Now, if I were to die, right now I have an 18-year-old, so she could technically take over everything. But I don't necessarily want my 18-year-old to be saddled with that responsibility. Now, she could handle it. Including raising her siblings and all those type of things. She's mature enough to handle it. But she's also a freshman in college. And she's had all sorts of fun going to football games and volleyball games and joining pre-med clubs and doing her homework. And she's been pretty successful. She had one final that she didn't do as well on it as she had hoped. And we're like, well, you know, kiddo, there's we all kind of do that sometimes when you're in college or in my case, college and law school, you have a final where you're like, oh, that did not go the way that I'd hoped it would. But what can you do? You can't go. We don't have time machines. We cannot go back in time and fix things. So instead, we say, all right, well, what do we do? And for her, when she did poorly on this final, she was very concerned about it, and she called us, and we're like, well, you know, there's not much we can do about that particular final. But you do want to be a little bit careful about how you let this final affect the rest of your finals. So... we talked about how it was okay to be sad about the final, but then it was time, but then you can't be, couldn't be sad about it and let it drag down your other finals. Like, okay, well that one's done. You have three more you need to take. So you need to just go study for those and do the best you can and work on them. And that way you won't let one error compound its way into a whole bunch of other errors. And she seemed to understand that. And I'm like, well, this is part of the life lessons that, um, And my wife – I didn't say that to her, but I said to my wife, I'm like, is this part of the life lessons that you learn from going to college or growing up is that you can't let one bad thing that happens affect everything else? I mean, clearly, people are impacted by things that happen. And if I – The day after I lost my puppy dog, I think it was the day after, I remember I came in and I was supposed to do this show. And so I didn't really talk about estate planning. I talked about the puppy dog the whole time. And since it's my show and I can talk about what I want, it was good for me to talk about the puppy dog that I had to say goodbye to. Now, Not everybody loves puppy dogs the way that I do, and not everybody who has a puppy dog would be quite as sad as I was to lose their puppy dog. You know, just everybody has different ways that they deal with things. Everybody has different emotional attachments and things like that. You know, for my wife, it was the first puppy dog that we'd had from, we bought her as a puppy and then she was almost 14 when she passed away. The puppy dog, not the wife. And wife is still alive, which is good because I like her and she likes me and it's a good thing. But the... When we lost the puppy dog, she, growing up, sometimes animals would come to their house, but they only lasted like six to 12 months, and then they would go live on the farm, meaning my father-in-law would give them away. He's just not a huge fan of animals, at least not them living in his house and possibly getting hair on his furniture or not having perfectly manicured carpet and things like that. So. So when we lost the puppy dog, it was the first puppy dog my wife had had from a puppy dog all the way up to an old dog and then passing away. And she was very, very sad because she had kind of convinced herself that the dog was never going to die. Well, the dog, you know, it's the nature of dogs. They do pass away. You know, they don't last for forever. We got her for almost 14 years. And our current dog, one of them, is now older than that dog was. This is the dog that was always the comfort and the friend to my 18-year-old. My 18-year-old, when she was younger, she was like, I can't sleep. I need a dog. So she'd take this dog and take now the old dog and go off to her room and the dog would sleep in the bed with her and you know, kind of help her and comfort her. We were very concerned that now that she is an older dog that she would be so sad from her friend going off to school and not being home for three months at a time that she was very concerned we would lose this dog to sadness. Because when we did lose the puppy dog almost six years ago, the current one just kind of stopped eating. She's like, nope, I'm very sad. I'm going to give up on this. We're like, eh, it's not good. And then we were concerned at Thanksgiving that the older puppy dog would be so excited that she would have a, you know, her heart would give out when she was so excited to see her new friend, her friend come back. That didn't happen either. And, you know, we're like, okay, it might not be connected to. our daughter going off to college when we do lose the puppy dog. But, you know, she is also coming, she's like 14 years old. So now we have a puppy dog that we're like, well, if she passes away, it's not because kiddo went off to school or came back. It's because she is 14 and that's a decently long lifestyle, lifestyle. for a dog. It is a small dog. It's not a big dog, but still. So, you know, just thinking about dogs and estate planning, we'll talk about that in a second. But right now, just remember, you're listening to Mobile Estate Planning with Michael Bailey here on KLZ 560. Also heard on FM 100.7 or the KLZ 560 radio app. Phone number to talk to me on the air is 303-477-5600. And again, that's 303-477-5600. And my direct line is 720-394-6887. And once again, that's 720-394-6887. My dogs are kind of part of the family. I consider that I have three human children, I have two canine children, and one departed canine child. And, you know, yes, I spoil my dogs a little bit. That's what I do because they're dogs and they're great and they're wonderful and they deserve it. And, you know, the dog's not going to go, when we got our first dog before we had our first child, we were like, well, it can be our practice kid. And if we screw it up, the dog's not going to go on Oprah and talk about it. All the terrible, horrible things that we did to the dog. Yeah, the dogs can just be like, hey, will you feed me? Cool. I want another treat. Here you go. Can I have a toy? Sure. Okay. I love you. That's great. Dogs are a little bit less... a little bit less demanding, a little bit less entitled than say children, for instance, you know, and I have great kids and my kids are really not entitled, but they do ask for a little bit more than the, uh, the kids would, or then the dogs would, you know, the dogs are like, Hey, if you give me a treat and you take me out on a walk and you scratch my tummy then, or pet me, I'm the happiest creature in the entire world. I'm like, yeah, I can live with that. You know, we, They love it when we watch a football game or a basketball game because we'll just sit down and they'll sit and we can sit and pet them because we're kind of sitting in the same place for an hour or two or three or four with a football game. They're just super excited that we're there and we can pet them. And if we stop petting them, they will let us know. They'll pet us back. It's more in the form of a scratch, but still. But my dogs are kind of family members and are treated as such and loved as such. And not everybody's dog is quite that same way. But my estate plan also says... If my wife and I die and you take my kids, you also have to take my dogs because I don't want to separate out the kids and the dogs. Now, there are people who, I mean, I've heard of it happening where Somebody dies and then they will go and they will euthanize the dog and like bury the dog with the person or, you know, combine their ashes and things like that. And I'm like, I don't think I need to do that. I don't even if I'm gone, I don't necessarily want my puppy dog to need to, you know, have their life ended just because mine did. That just seems mean. Doesn't seem like a good idea. But I also whenever my I've had people like, oh, you know, how come dogs can't live as long as humans? I'm like, well, for this reason, you know, if I'm 46 and I buy a dog, I expect it to live 10, 12, maybe 15 years. well i expect to outlive the dog well if i was 40 and i bought a dog that was going to live for 70 years let's say that i lived from 40 to age 70 and then i died age 70 the dog now has another 40 years to live so if the dog spent 30 years living with me and learning to you know love me as its master and i would take care of it Then I'm like, oh, halfway through the dog's life, I'm like, hey, guess what? You get to figure out how to live your life at somebody else's house and with somebody else taking care of you. And the dog's like, wait a minute, what's going on here? Now, I think the dog, after 30 years with me and 40 years with somebody else, the dog would probably adjust. But I don't know that I would want to subject a dog to that many years of trying to adjust to new humans and things like that. My oldest daughter is like, oh, did your monkeys pick you up and carry you around? Are the monkeys trying to tell you what to do? Because I'm like, yeah, if we're big giant monkeys and we have the dogs, I'm like, yes, I'm bigger than you. I can pick you up. And my dogs are small dogs. I have a West Highland Terrier and a half Westie, half Yorkie. So they're each 12 to 14 pounds. And it's pretty easy for me to be able to pick them up and, um, carry them around or pet them. Or when they fight, pull them away from each other. When they're fighting, you're like, you grab from the back, kind of back legs back around the stomach and kind of pull them apart. You don't put your hand in the middle of where they're chomping. Otherwise they will chomp you. Or, I mean, I've never had that happen and neither has anybody else. So I don't know what I'm talking about, except for I speak from experience. Right. But, uh, You know, and people are like, oh, I want to leave everything to my dog. I'm like, well, you know, I guess you hear stories about celebrities who left everything to their pets. I'm like, well, here's the thing. Under Colorado law, you can't leave everything outright to your pets. You can create a pet trust to take care of the pets, but even that you can only last for however long it lasts. And mine just says, if you take my kids, you take my dogs and they'll take care of you. Now you can take care of dogs and my kids. And that meant that we had to pick somebody to raise the kids who would be okay also with having the dogs. Because if I were to send my kids to my father-in-law and mother-in-law to be raised, they wouldn't want the dogs. It wouldn't go well. So they're not the ones that we picked. We picked somebody else who would be able to handle the dogs and the kids. Because when somebody passes away, you don't want to necessarily just saddle somebody with a terrible, horrible burden of all of these things, but rather you want to do what would be good for them and you want to do what's best for the kids and what's best for the dogs and what's best for everybody involved and not just say, oh, well, we're going to screw this up or we're going to dictate this is how it has to be or something along those lines. That's just not what you're able or wanting or trying to do. You're trying to do what's best for them, not what's worse for them. That's the whole point of estate planning is to set something up that will work well for the people who are left behind. Will it work for your kids? Will it work for your relatives? Will it work for those who are bringing things behind? There's plenty of movies and stories of all the terrible, horrible things that happened. if somebody died and oh well now these people are taking over there's all sorts of things there but we don't want your story to be the basis of a movie of how many horrible things happened to your children so when you're setting up your estate plan you're trying to do it we've got Christmas coming up in a week trying to give your kids that final gift of how can we take care of you so that things go well So that's, I think my music is telling me that I'm running out of time. So thank you so much for listening to Mobile Estate Planning with Michael Bailey here on 560 KLZ AM. John Rush and Rush Reason up next, and I will be back in a couple of weeks in the new year. So thanks so much for listening. Thanks and have a great day. Bye-bye.
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Mobile estate planning with Michael Bailey will return to ATX next Wednesday at 2.30 here on KLZ 560, AM 560, FM 100.7, and online at klzradio.com.
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Breaking news today on Sekulow as a new FBI cover-up is exposed.
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All right, folks, welcome to Sekulow. We are taking your calls to 1-800-684-3110. That's 1-800-684-3110. We talked to you about this earlier, this FBI training program. An individual involved who participated in this program who was part of the Palestinian secret, like a secret police or special police unit in the West Bank. So this, again, this is not the Gaza Strip. We're not talking about Hamas here, but more links to the PLO and Palestinian Authority. And we played for you that graduation video that's a 10-week professional course of study for U.S. and international law enforcement managers nominated by their agency heads. And this National Academy program trains these in some of our tactics. from the FBI there's a graduation ceremony we played the graduation ceremony for you and in the graduation ceremony the guy on the microphone who's introducing the graduates when it gets to the individual from the West Bank says that he is from Ramallah the state of Palestine which of course the United States does not recognize a state of Palestine, nor does the United Nations, though they are not actually a full member state of the UN. They have some representation there, but even the United Nations has not come to a full agreement on that and so some countries recognize some don't but we certainly do not in the United States and you have to wonder why are we even training Palestinian terrorists while they are still trying to utilize U.S. funds to pay their pay for slay program which we were supposed to stop with the Taylor force act but yet the Biden administration got millions and millions probably more than like billions of dollars over to the Palestinian authority and their autocratic leader Mahmoud Abbas So we played you that. We filed a FOIA. And Will, the video, nowhere to be found now.
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That's right. As we've seen even back in the Obama administration, when sometimes these bureaucracies get caught on something, all of a sudden they try to make it go away. So we filed our FOIA request on Monday. I've got it right here. And we're trying to get answers about FOIA. the decision-making process, why this man was noted of being from the state of Palestine at Quantico at an official FBI ceremony. And mysteriously, as we were doing more research for blogs, for our website, for this broadcast, members of our team went to go look at that original graduation ceremony video, which was an unlisted video. It already wasn't something that they wanted super forward-facing. It was an unlisted video. So we had found it earlier through a link from a nonprofit that supports the National Academy and those that graduate. And when you went to that link, it says that the video was removed by the user so the account for the national academy had removed the graduation ceremony it is nowhere to be found which is prompting us to update our requests to the fbi why was it removed what communications around that were it to be removed why at this time when we're coming up on the transition of administrations and there will be a new fbi director does it appear to any observer that they're trying to cover their tracks about this? We also found from other sleuths on the internet and things of that nature that this individual had a table set up at the reception that had a placard that said State of Palestine and a map that showed what he believes to be Palestine and the State of Palestine with a Palestinian flag over it covering the entire State of Israel.
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Where's Israel at? Don't say Israel separated out from that map. And yet, will that come down? So he's pretty bold. FBI either didn't do their work and just had their guy on the microphone just say, well, he can be from whatever state he wants to be. And then we're going to let him do it at this food fair. Cover up the state of Israel, which is exactly what Hamas and the Palestinian Authority and UNRWA, they do in their textbooks. They act as if Israel doesn't exist. We have to fight back. Of course, we've got our matching challenge. Not just fighting in the new year, but right now. Donate today. Double the impact of your donation. Stand with Israel. Stand with the truth. Welcome back to Seculo. Now, this news, we told you about, of course, the... graduation video from the FBI's National Academy 10 week program and they bring in this student who is very proud of his family's linkage to Yasser Arafat do we have that photo for people this is a picture of his father He's very excited about that. That is Yasser Arafat. I want to go to Jeff Balaban in Jerusalem because Jeff, you look at that picture of Yasser Arafat. That's not old man Yasser Arafat. That is Yasser Arafat towards right in the middle of running a terrorist organization.
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That's right. Look, I think we all understand that Yasser Arafat never really stopped being a terrorist. In fact, Yasser Arafat famously wrote what he called the phased plan for Israel's destruction in 1974. And the plan was to get a toehold, which was i.e. obviously the Palestinian Authority, and thereby destroy the entire state of Israel using the Palestinian Authority, which is just the PLO, as a way to eradicate Israel. So He's always a terrorist, but he pretended to be a statesman and was awarded, as we know, a Nobel Prize. But this, as you point out, Jordan, predates that. This was when he was proud, openly terrorist days.
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That's right, Jeff. And in this image, he even says, may God have mercy on the symbol Yasser Arafat, healing and long life to my father, God willing. But then there's also an image on his Facebook page. Someone shared a video on his Facebook page, and it's in Arabic. And he liked the video that someone posted. But we looked into that, and it's of eulogy in Arabic by an Iraqi poet to the, quote, martyr Saddam Hussein. So already we're seeing as if it weren't enough that he worked for a security service with the Palestinian Authority. We're seeing questionable things publicly from this person the FBI was training. So not only are we concerned about the FBI's judgment and who they take on as trainees in this National Academy program. But when you see the images that he was allowed to set up a table at a reception with a placard that said State of Palestine and an image that it's hard to see because it is further back. But when you look and zoom in, there's a Palestinian flag that covers the entire state of Israel. So he's not holding back about what his beliefs are, about who's who and what is what in the region. And yet our FBI is... okay with just announcing that he's from the state of Palestine but Jeff we're not gonna just sit back at the ACLJ we're gonna push forward and we're gonna get to the bottom of this
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Well, I think that's absolutely vital, William, because the fact is, as we know, we've already seen evidence of people with very questionable ties at best, people who have actually been thrown out of the administration. Since the Biden administration came into power, people who have terrible, terribly powerful influence who seem to be associated with our enemies, not just the enemies of the state of Israel, but enemies of America. And somehow they've come in places of influence. And now you see this example. And so it's necessary to dig into this. Also, you know, this is something which, again, isn't quite as high profile in Israel. I don't think Israel has yet seen this. This is really something that we in America need to really, well, I'm here in Israel, but ACLJ, that's one of the purposes of the ACLJ Jerusalem office is to explain to Israelis what's happening there. So they have a clear sense of the picture on the ground at what is supposed to be Israel's greatest ally.
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much of an ally and no one had an issue I want to put that map up again on the screen I can't imagine that with the well-trained FBI officers that you've got there that are part of this international training program that if you put up a map like that which shows that Israel tries to show that Israel doesn't exist you put the Palestinian flag right where Israel is and you don't even try to make notations that no one saw that Jeff no one thought that that was potentially inappropriate you know we're we're this guy maybe we should have researched before bringing him over and seeing how much praise he has for people like Saddam Hussein on his social media he's got that that he's shared he's got this of course his father's connection to Yasser Arafat that he's very again proud of and putting out he's not trying to hide this anywhere and then when he gets to America I think he probably says, let's see how far I can go with this. I'll write down state of Palestine. Let's see if they'll say it. They did. And then when we had the food fair, you know, I'll smile. I'll put up my little food place. We can do the backup photo, too, so you can see. It was just like, hey, try some food from this part of the Middle East. But look at where the placement was of the state of Palestine. I mean, that's the biggest state of Palestine I've ever seen developed by anyone.
SPEAKER 01 :
I mean, we look at that. I mean, yeah.
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And I mean, it's covering up basically all of Israel. He puts the flag right in the heart of probably Jerusalem. And I guess, you know, we've got an issue. I thought FBI training, these would be pretty top level folks, Jeff, that would be able to see this and say, you know what, this violates our policies as the United States government.
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Let's be very clear. Jordan, you're right. This is a genocidal image. This is the definition of genocide. It's the eradication of an entire nation. That's what this image represents. That's what the state of Palestine represents to them. And that's what they're producing here. And you're right. At the FBI itself, it's... I guess I'm laughing a little bit because it seems so absurd, but the truth is it's incredibly dangerous. And that it's saturated and penetrated so far. And we'll also point out that the result of the Biden administration being so pushy on the idea that it should be a state of Palestine, that the result of the horrors of October 7th, The horrors, the atrocities is that these people should be rewarded with a state and that they keep on pushing this idea has led the state of Israel or the Knesset, the legislature to pass two laws, twice separately, resolutions saying with overwhelming majorities, saying they're... Number one, there must not be a unilateral recognition of a state of Palestine directly after Joe Biden made a comment about the state of Palestine saying, no, do not recognize it. And of course, this is what they seem to be trying to do. Facts on the ground. And number two, passed another one to make it clear. If the first wasn't clear, it's not just unilateral recognition that Israel says, no, you cannot reward the horrors, the terror, the murders, the war with a state because it's also an existential threat to the state of Israel. And you see this image shows you the existential threat.
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You know, I want everyone to understand right now that we are in, right now, the final two weeks of our Faith and Freedom year in drive. Your ACLJ, we take on literally hundreds of cases every year. Just this year alone, we've handled 126 legal actions battling deep state matters. That's just deep state matters, 126 legal matters. Think about that. That's 126 clients, cases, multiple briefs, probably times three on that, so hundreds of briefs, demand letters, depositions, all fighting back against the war on your constitutional freedoms. We'd love to take on more cases next year, but we can't do it without your support. You know my motto here at the ACLJ is I always want to be in a place economically, and we'll know that in the new year if we're in that place, about how well we do this month with these final two weeks of fundraising, is that I never want to have to turn a case down because it's too complicated and it's going to cost too much money to vindicate someone's constitutional rights and their protections and freedoms in the United States of America. So you go to ACLJ.org right now, make that tax-deductible gift today. It will be doubled. And again, like we said, in 2024, 175 pro-life legal matters handled, 197 free speech matters, 142 religious liberty matters, 152 legal letters and briefs defending Israel and hundreds of others like FOIAs, the Freedom of Information Act requests, the work that we do overseas at the United Nations, those periodic reviews of all those different countries and human rights abusers. All of that work just done by our legal department. in 2024 that doesn't add in the government affairs what our media team is able to do just in the legal department that's what you're supporting by donating right now and again we got two weeks to hit our goal we are a little bit behind we're getting into you know the christmas season so we need you really to donate today while it's on your mind your gift will be doubled donate whatever you can so we can keep this work going not just in the new year but right now Because we're changing this FOIA as we speak because of this new image that was shown and the takedown of the video, which they always love to do with the FBI. Don't they love that, the FBI? It's one of their favorite things. Remember the Border Patrol? They caught the terrorists at the border. They showed their pictures and then that was taken down. And then you find out it was taken down for political reasons because it went against the narrative of the Biden administration and the border. This is the same kind of thing is... They don't want us knowing the kind of people they're training in their programs and their links to terrorism. Let's just be honest. This guy, in most countries, I think, I'm surprised in the United States, didn't get flagged before he got here.
SPEAKER 05 :
That's right. And Jeff, we've only got about a minute left here, but this is the same FBI that targeted parents at school board meetings, the same FBI that went after Catholics that were pro-life, and somehow they didn't even vet this man's social media to think maybe he shouldn't be in this national academy. But some people may be listening today and say, well, what does it matter? Chris Wray's gone in a month and, you know, it's a whole new FBI. But we have to keep pushing, Jeff, so that we can help guide the new FBI at what they need to remedy.
SPEAKER 06 :
Because, Jeff, it's not a whole new FBI on day one. It's Kash Patel and maybe a couple top deputies who have then got to deal with who are the bad actors here, even like in this program, that we need to remove because of bad judgment.
SPEAKER 03 :
That's right. Both are exactly correct points. Number one is the work doesn't wait for the new year to begin, doesn't wait for the new administration. It's immediate. It's right now. And it's very deep. There's a saturation that's very deep. We don't have a lot of time for this, but I have a friend who lost a son, was killed in domestic terror in America by an Arab Muslim terrorist. And the FBI, the government denied that it was terrorism. It took her seven years of fighting until it was called terrorism by the government. This has been going on for quite a long time. And so... We absolutely, and William said we need to help guide,
SPEAKER 06 :
Listen, I'm not afraid to talk about these drones because President Trump said the government knows exactly what they are and what they're doing, and they're just not going to tell the American people. He's probably not in a position yet, though he's getting briefings to go ahead of Joe Biden, go ahead of the White House. Though once he becomes president of the United States, all bets are off. He can share whatever information with the American people he wants. That was the deal with this talk about classified information. And the idea that the president, you know, cannot declassify things that the president could give a speech. And there could be a lot of security people who say, don't say this, don't say this, don't tell people what it is. And he could absolutely explain what it is. Maybe it's positive. Maybe it's a negative. Maybe it's not coming from a bad state actor, but from our own. know law enforcement agencies who don't want us to know what they're testing and what they're trying to do but I do think we're not a too long away from getting an answer on this issue which again they tried to gaslight people on make people all out to be crazy say they were all airplanes I mean there's not that many low-flying small airplanes ever I mean you have to be a lot more careful than that especially when you're in the tri-state area if you know about that you know you're talking about multiple airports with international flights coming in and out, some of the busiest airports in the world, and these drones are just flying all around, no problem, no big deal, and below radar. This is why it reeks, but Joe Biden finally answers a question about it. So here we go. Now, again, take it with a grain of salt. It's coming from Joe Biden. He doesn't do a lot of answers to questions like this, but even he has to finally answer this because it's getting to a boiling point with not just Republicans, but Democrats as well, especially state leaders. Let's take a listen.
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What's behind all of this? Nothing nefarious, apparently. But they're checking it all out. I think it's just one... There's a lot of drones authorized up there. I think one started and they all got everybody who wanted to get in the deal.
SPEAKER 06 :
OK, so he's saying there's a lot of drones authorized up there. And once one started, they all got everybody wanted to get a deal. Now, people think of drones, I think, two different ways. They think military and like law enforcement drones. I mean, there are drones that can carry, as we know, for a long period of time, we've had drones that are basically bombers. and can shoot missiles and have killed terrorists before. Um, and our, you know, we have pilots basically sitting like they're flying an airplane in buildings in Northern Virginia and Washington, DC, uh, suited up. They've showed this before on television. That's no secret. Uh, but, um, That's why when people said, well, some of them look like the size of planes, that would be true for more of the military side, law enforcement side. I don't want you to think in your mind drone, the kind of, you know, the toys you can buy or these kind of collector drones that you can do. What he's talking about here is something that had to be registered at least. So that's something different than your kid is buying at the, you know, ordering on Amazon.
SPEAKER 05 :
Right, like a small drone, if it's under the rules and regulations by the FAA, if it's under 250 grams in weight, so if it's 249, which many of the hobbyist drones are, you don't have to register it. If it's above that, you have to actually get basically like a tail number for it with the FAA. You have to take a class. You have to be licensed to fly the drone. But what I think the biggest problem, and I think this whole... This whole questions around this shows all the incompetence of the Biden administration in one story at the end of his term, because as he's trying to say, it may be a very legitimate answer that there were some that caused concern. And then it snowballed because the media went wild and the administration said nothing. And then anyone who ever sees something flying in the sky is then concerned. It's one of these drones, even if it is a hobbyist drone. And he's trying to say, you know then maybe people wanted to get in on the deal and start causing more chaos but regardless what the answer is they caused this problem because even if it is an authorized uh surveillance program that the u.s military is doing or if it's not i mean not that they'd want that to get out but the fact it was spotted the media ran with it and it took them so long to even comment on it and now you're getting briefings where Members of Congress and some of them are walking out saying they're worthless. Something else is happening. And whether it's all of them are drones or either are specifically, there is something there that they don't want to publicly say. They keep saying it's not a foreign actor.
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leads you to believe it's probably some sort of government program that they don't want to talk about, but yet the same time... You don't have to have a government program, though, in New York and New Jersey and Pennsylvania and some of the most heavily populated areas in those states. You know what? People are going to see it, though, and they're going to ask questions. So this is not the best place to test some program you're trying to keep real secret because... People start seeing all this and they go, wait, I live near the airport, so I know what it looks like usually. This is not what it looks like. So you're trying to gaslight these people by saying, no, this is just the normal planes. Well, no, it's not because they're from these areas. They know what the normal planes would look like. It's like they're trying to run a top secret program, or at least they're acting like it's something like that. in a place where people can just look up in the sky and see there's just too many flying objects right now in the sky. I don't care. I'm not trying to talk about aliens here. We're just talking about flying objects. How are there this many? And again, I know the rules change in the evening and things like that with the lighting and the amount of time some of these drones, 12 hours up, that's... I don't even know. That's got to be a very expensive, even like commercial drone.
SPEAKER 05 :
Well, and here's the other problem here, Jordan, is that we talked about the FBI and their policy changes or non-policy changes here at the administration, into the administration, as well as... What appears to be some problematic posts on this trainee at the National Academy's Facebook account, but yet he still went through the program. This is the same FBI. This is a statement from FBI law enforcement saying, FBI, Newark, and the New Jersey State Police and dozens of other agencies and law enforcement partners have been out every night for several weeks to legally track down operators acting illegally or with nefarious intent and using every available tool and piece of equipment to find the answers the public is seeking. The FBI has been out there for weeks and still don't have the answers the public are seeking. And they're now warning people, don't shoot down drones. They're letting it get out of hand. This whole FBI, this whole story shows you everything that has been wrong for four years. They can't answer the questions of the public. The public is freaking out because they don't have confidence in the leadership. The FBI can't get answers after being out for several weeks and How is our FBI not able to have answers? And even if they say, we have the answers, but we can't release them right now, but don't worry, something's wrong. It's why we have to keep pushing on these things too, as we mentioned in the last one, last segment, because there are people in the deep state, there are bureaucrats that will not leave with a new administration. They still have their jobs. It's our job to help the incoming administration by doing this broadcast, filing FOIAs, so that it is on record at the FBI what's wrong and what they need to address. And then reminding them, hey, we've got a pending FOIA about why this video was taken down, why and who said it was okay to call it the State of Palestine. That's how we get to the bottom of it. Just because there's a new administration, our work doesn't end. It becomes more important than it ever has been to help root out the deep state, drain the swamp, and to make America a place that we remember, guided by the rule of law and the Constitution.
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Folks, this is the time. As we talked about the deep state, we've had 126 legal actions battling the deep state matters this year alone. That's 126 clients, cases, briefs, and demand letters. Just to compare, we had 197 free speech matters. Think about all these, and that's just a little bit of our work. That work has to continue when the new administration comes in. You have to help them out because you've got to keep flushing out the bad actors, these videos, and so they know who to go to. So support the work of the ACLJ today. It is so important. We're running behind our goal here. We need you to donate today. Double your impact. Whatever you can give, donate.
SPEAKER 04 :
Keeping you informed and engaged now more than ever. This is Sekulow. And now your host, Jordan Sekulow.
SPEAKER 06 :
Welcome back to Secchio. We are taking your calls as well. 1-800-684-3110. That's 1-800-684-3110. Rick Grinnell is going to be joining us in the next segment of the broadcast. We're not going to get into it too much with him today, but you know he's been named to a new position within the incoming Trump administration so we're excited about that I'll let Rick get settled with that before we start asking him direct questions over the air about all of those specifics because a lot of that does involve national security issues and negotiating with hostile countries just so while he's not here I'll say what the news has reported and that some of the top countries he will be working on And I'm sure we'll get him to flush that out for us later on as it looks like he'll still be able to be a part of this broadcast into the new year, even with this position. But they said the first couple of countries, it looks like, I'm telling you now so we don't have to ask about it with Rick on the air yet until he's comfortable talking about it directly and understand that because the president chose him for this position. But that those countries to first work with Venezuela, very difficult one, but one that is kind of Thinking, should we keep being so tied to Iran and Russia right now? Because look what happened to people like Assad who relied on Iran and Russia to keep them in power. And you know what? When Hezbollah, who does a lot of training in Venezuela as well, when they get bogged down with the conflict in Israel and all their leadership gets killed, uh-oh. Who's going to keep the dictators in Venezuela safe? He's also supposedly been assigned North Korea to re-engage in negotiations there, where we know the Biden administration just kind of just took a step back and just let it deteriorate. South Korea is in a tough spot right now politically, domestically. So you know North Korea wants to take advantage of that. So he'll be joining us. in the next segment of the broadcast as well we've got work of uh being done of course for um uh tulsi gabbard who was nominated up one of our again a colleague here on the broadcast on seculo you can sign the petition to get her confirmed up at aclj.org so there are there's work that you can do that doesn't cost you a donation if you're not in a financial place to do that, that you can take online right now at ACLJ.org. And I want to make sure our team also gets those petitions out to people so that if they can't make that financial contribution right now where they're trying to get some Christmas presents and put all that together, maybe some travel. together, even with the inflation and things like that, that you still are engaged in very important work for us that does make a significant difference. And it does when you sign those petitions, especially for these nominees. So you'll see the Tulsi Gabbard petition up there. I just also want to just remind all of you the kind of work we did in 2024. And I know some of you have heard these numbers, but you've got to think about it a little bit. When I say that we did 175 pro-life legal matters, that's not 175 just one-time things. So each one of those involved clients. They involve legal filings, usually starting with either a demand letter or a lawsuit that's filed. And when you then file a lawsuit, there's briefing. A lot of our cases are in federal court. So you could go through multiple appeals processes. You do, of course, depositions and issues like this. Some you try to settle. Some settlements don't happen. So you've got to keep moving on in the court process. So when you hear 175 pro-life legal matters, when they are legal matters, that is not just 175 actions. That's probably over 1,500 actions, at least, just for those 175. So when you hear 197 free speech matters, same thing. 142 religious liberty matters, 152 legal letters and briefs defending Israel, just defending the Jewish state of Israel. hundreds of others all the FOIA works all the work that doesn't fit inside those boxes neatly that we're doing at the ACLJ the election integrity work that we did leading up to up to and even after election day you know we were very engaged in that throughout these last couple of years making sure you'd have more faith and I think people did in their election process it wasn't just because Donald Trump won it's because the numbers made sense Now, we've still got some states that have got some explaining to do about why they can't get votes counted. But for the most part, I'd say 90% of the country, the votes came in. You didn't win all the places you would love to have won. But it wasn't like you were waiting weeks to get the votes. Support the work of the ACLJ. We need it right now. We're behind in our goal. Whatever you can donate financially will be doubled. Do it today. ACLJ.org. All right, welcome back to Seculo. Rick Murnell joining us right now. And Rick, I know, again, there's a lot to talk about going on in the world and how the Biden administration is kind of leading this Trump administration into, I mean, you can look at kind of disaster after disaster, if it's domestic, if it's foreign, but also on these issues, specifically the questions that President Trump is getting asked by the media. I mean, some of the most ridiculous questions. I mean, you wonder... Again, I guess because they were used to talking to Harris maybe so much that they just thought, we'll throw this out there and see if we can catch him giving people a glimpse of his thinking involving Iran and preemptive strikes. Let me play this for everybody, Rick. I know you've heard it, but let me play this for everybody so that they hear the question and President Trump's response.
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Are you entertaining the idea of preemptive strikes against Iran's nuclear facilities? Against who? Against Iran's nuclear facilities. Well, I can't tell you that. I mean, it's a wonderful question, but how can I, am I going to do preemptive strikes? Why would I say that? Can you imagine if I said yes or no? You'd say, that was strange that he answered that way. Am I going to do preemptive strikes on Iran? Is that a serious question? How could I answer a question like that? Would you be in support of Israeli strikes on Iran? How could I tell you a thing like that now? It's just so you don't talk about that before something may or may not happen. You know, just I don't want to I don't want to insult you. I just think it's just not something that I would ever answer having to do with there or any other place in the world.
SPEAKER 06 :
Rick, I think that what's interesting here is that President Trump by the left is this caricature that he would throw, you know, if he he would just totally answer questions like that. And they assume, you know, he's just going to throw it all out there. And what I see is someone who has been president before has learned a lot over those first four years. And I think because of that is going to be able to. And it's a big statement to say this, but accomplish even more. in these next four years because he has learned the ways of Washington and the mainstream media and he's not afraid of them but he's able to respond in a way that's not necessarily again being mean just like hey you know I get your question but I'm the I'm the incoming president United States I'm never going to answer a question like that to you and he and he shouldn't by the way yeah look and you can add this to the very long list of things that are going to change in Washington this is
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Washington speak versus Trump speak. And Donald Trump is an outsider. He doesn't like political lingo. He doesn't like to be long winded and and not get to the point. He wants to answer the question. And, you know, we talk a lot about the value of Trump and how he's a credible threat. But one of the greatest values for President Trump is that he is very direct. He speaks to people outside of Washington, D.C. The Washington, D.C. crowd asks this silly question. And everybody outside of D.C. says he'll never answer that question. Why are you even asking it? And rather than give the typical Washington response of like, well, we have this interagency process and we're thinking of doing this, that and the other. And you really talk for five minutes and say nothing. Donald Trump is just like, that's a ridiculous question that no one should answer. And it makes sense to the rest of America because that's what we're thinking. And the ways of Washington are changing. They're being challenged now. And it's all a very good thing. We're going to be transparent. And that's what common sense government reform is about, transparency.
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And Rick, I think that we are seeing an existential crisis in the media unfold before our very eyes. I mean, you have Michelle Goldberg writing in the New York Times, the great capitulation, powerful Americans have lost the will to resist Trump. You see the chaos that happened at CNN after their reporting in Syria ended up not turning out the way they wanted it to. And even the settlement with President Trump because of statements George Stephanopoulos made, they're so blinded by their bias. that they truly believe, I think that reporter truly believed because in that reporter's mind, Trump is so deranged, he would answer a question about preemptive strikes because he wants to go bomb everyone and go to war, even though we know from the previous four years that isn't the case. And so that's why it's obvious to those of us outside of DC that he would never answer that question because he's not deranged. He's not the lunatic that the media wants you to believe. He knows this isn't a question you answer. But I think our media, we are seeing more and more, they don't have the power to think rationally anymore. And I think that's a good thing for the American people to realize that's how our media is. But I wanted to get your thoughts on that.
SPEAKER 01 :
Well, look, one of the great things about this past election is that we saw the entirety of the D.C. system And the media newsrooms of Washington completely melt down and go after Donald Trump, calling him everything from Hitler to a threat to democracy, you know, everything. They went all in. They spent hundreds of millions of dollars to trash him. Washington, D.C. did everything they could. They emptied their arsenal against Trump. And they lost. The American people rejected Washington, D.C. and the media system. We now see that the viewership, the ratings for television and Washington, D.C. style media outlets is tanking. They need to wise up. I'll tell you one group that's wised up, the owners of these media properties. Jeff Bezos and others, you now see what's happening with the LA Times, which I'm a little skeptical of the ownership there still. But they have realized that their business model of only trying to appeal to half the country on the left is a dumb business model. It hasn't worked. So what they're now trying to do is to say, maybe we should have a business model that tries to get 100% of the American public. I do believe that we have to understand as consumers of news that every outlet is biased. Every outlet is a business. And so you as a consumer of news have a responsibility to have multiple news sources. You can't just get it from one. You've got to get it from multiple news sources. And you need to be skeptical and you need to be challenging of what you're reading and what you're hearing. But at the end of the day, this is all very good for Americans and because the power is draining from Washington already. And Donald Trump hasn't even shown up.
SPEAKER 06 :
No, I mean, that's what has been interesting. It's like, uh, Rick, a lot of people have said though, he's not, um, in the position to make the decisions. He's already become like a de facto president again, uh, because people have realized they know the significant changes that are coming. Um, they know that the house Republicans are in charge, that the Senate Republicans are in charge. The team is coming together. The names are out there, their backgrounds, their kind of their policies, how they're going to, you know, you can look back and see kind of how that will all work together. And that, you know, it's not going to be the same time like it was the first time he took office where this was pretty new to him. him and and a lot of members of his team uh to be at that level of government even though even those who had worked in in government before uh so some of the they know the pitfalls they know the bad actors to stay away from they know some of the problems with the bureaucracy that you've got to be you know got to really watch yourself around and i think they've also learned um that if we see these bureaucrats acting, not just performing their jobs, but actively working to undermine the policies and goals of the elected president of the United States, that we have to work with Congress so that the laws get reformed to make it easier to remove bad actors from the bureaucracy. And I think, Rick, one of the easiest ways to do it may just be, like people are discussing, like Elon Musk and others, making them show back up to work.
SPEAKER 01 :
Yeah, look, I'm struck with, Jordan, after your question, I'm really struck with the fact that the overwhelming thought that God has a plan and we don't always love the plan. I certainly know that over the last month. But you got to trust the plan. And I think God had a plan for Donald Trump. And to have this break, I now see it very clearly. To have four years and then four years out to think and strategize and to think, you know, what did we do right? What did we do wrong? Now that he's coming back in for another four years, I think these last four years are going to be monumental. They're going to be incredible for change and reform. That plan absolutely was God's plan. And I now see the benefit of that, even though I was frustrated in 20 when we lost. And I think that the action that we're seeing, you and I have talked about this before, there's a difference between a threat and a credible threat. When Donald Trump makes a threat, the leader of Canada gets on a plane and comes down to Mar-a-Lago immediately and has a conversation. That's a credible threat.
SPEAKER 06 :
He's having a crisis at home. He's thinking whether or not he can even be the leader of Canada with Donald Trump and whether or not he should just resign. I mean, that's how powerful a new president can be in just talking, just as you talk about, Rick, with a tough diplomacy. 1-800-684-3110. We're going to take your calls. in the next segment of the broadcast. FBI and agencies like this, what do you want to see changed first? This is your opportunity to tell us. 1-800-684-3110. Thank you. All right, welcome back to Seculo. We are going to take your calls too. You got to get them in this segment very quickly. But the question is this, 1-800-684-3110. That's 1-800-684-3110. I love that even you turn on and President Trump's new haircut is even in the news. I think, you know, he had a hat on. If a lot of us, some of us who have longer hair, you know, I know I see your comments sometimes on my hair. uh in the chats um sometimes we go sometimes we go yeah sometimes you go longer sometimes you go uh shorter but you know for those of us who have these kind of wild hairs if you keep the hat on that's kind of what it looks like regardless of of how you style it especially if you're playing in uh places that are still pretty hot 88 degrees uh that your hair is not going to look the same as it does you know after you've taken a shower and put a suit on But it's interesting that even those kind of stories people are watching closely. I actually think the media to some point, Will, is starting to, again, embrace the fun that can come with Donald Trump, too. He wasn't screaming nasty at that reporter about the Iran question. He said, it's a good question to ask. I just can't answer it.
SPEAKER 05 :
Well, and you know what the difference is, too, is that the Donald Trump that a lot of people voted for in 2016 was that persona that kind of not aloof, but freewheeling, having a good time, joking with reporters. But what happened? Why did we early on in his administration not see it? The Russia hoax, because he had to go to battle to even save his own presidency from day one. Right. And we don't have that this time.
SPEAKER 06 :
You know, hostile places in the world, you know, the COVID, all those issues that the administration was dealing with that Donald Trump took the blame for. I think people realize they put a lot of blame. I'm talking about, you know, regular voters here too, not the media, because they don't care. They tried to put the blame on him and then realized when you look back in history, wait, he put together Operation Warp Speed. Whether you took the vaccine or not, he made it available. He didn't try to mandate that you all have to take it, but he did make sure that it was available. But he could still bring in someone like an RFK Jr. to say, let's make sure we're doing these things. long-term vaccines that the you know kids take and get those you know series of and new things that pop up that it's okay to have skepticism of quickly established new vaccines now that doesn't mean that we don't have to be very cautious about what China may do next to hurt the United States but like as Rick said in a unique way because this is a very unique situation Will having those first four years as like a, not only like a, uh, a brand new politician, but I mean, you're a brand new politician as president of the United States. You didn't get the, the, the kind of learn how to handle the political media as a junior Congressman and maybe as a Senator and, or as you know, a mid-level state, uh, leader, uh, You're going from business and using that kind of media into entertainment and then right into these media folks that will act like they're your friends until they've got a better story on you. And when they've got a nasty story on you, they're going to dump it out. And they don't really care about the ramifications, if it's true or not, if enough of them put it out. I think the George Stephanopoulos thing is... Very interesting still to me. The fact that he got himself off of X, paying $15, $16 million because of the way he kept referring to a legal action that was not the case and now does have to apologize and all of that. I mean, I think the media has to be... As Rick said, you learn in those first four years a tremendous amount. And now you had four years to think about, I'm going to do this again. And if I get back there, this is what I'm going to do the same. And this is what I'm going to do differently. Some of that you might not really see. if you're just watching the news. But I do think if you watch a little closely, more closely, you will. You will start to see that. This is someone now who has made very difficult decisions before. He knows these things aren't easy. Things aren't always easy to get done. You get the Abraham Accords done and you think the whole world would be praising it, and they're not. And they'll even try to undo it. The United States would try to undo it, the Biden team. So I think all of that, again, goes to the idea of In this interesting situation, this is a president who got four years to get a lot done, under attack constantly, as we know, being on his legal team. And then four years where he was still under attack, decides to run again, and now exactly knows how he wants to use these four years.
SPEAKER 05 :
And Jordan, I think it's interesting. You brought up RFK Jr., especially talking about Operation Warp Speed and the vaccine issues. And I'd say a lot of conservatives and traditional Republicans are a little split on him. Logan and I followed his campaign very closely. But one of the big things that conservatives are concerned about—
SPEAKER 06 :
The other candidates didn't. Where we are in Tennessee, this is one of the most red states in the country right now, but he still came here because there's a lot of young people here who are probably not tied to a party yet. And they want to see people like, they want to see the RFK juniors. They want to see the Tulsi Gabbard types. That's the kind of people that are interesting now in the Republican Party.
SPEAKER 05 :
Right. But one of the big concerns of conservatives has been his evolving views on abortion and being pro-life. He was originally said he didn't believe in restrictions and during his campaign actually changed and gave a very rational response of I didn't think elective late-term abortion was a thing. I've now seen the data and I believe we need to have restrictions on this. But Josh Hawley, Senator Hawley, met with rfk jr yesterday as he's making the rounds and this is just an impressive list of things that rfk jr said to senator holly that i think should really tamp down some of the concerns pro-life americans as we have our campaign for aclj.org save babies to advertise pregnancy resource centers to get more pro-life messaging out there rfk jr told Josh Hawley he committed to reinstate President Trump's pro-life policies at HHS, including the Mexico City policy where Americans have to pay for abortions overseas and ending taxpayer funding of abortions domestically. He supports reinstating the bar on Title 10 funds going to organizations that promote abortion, Planned Parenthood. He pledged to reverse the Biden administration's Section 1557 rule and also said that all of his deputies at HHS would be pro-life. He told me he believes there are far too many abortions in the U.S. and we cannot be a moral leader of the free world with abortion rates so high. And finally, he pledged to reinstate conscience protections for health care providers. Those are things we're fighting for right now. In New Mexico, for hospital workers that are being told they have to perform abortions, which violate their faith. It's happening to a nurse in Kentucky we're fighting for. So that list right there, I think that's really reassuring that he knows who his boss is. He knows he serves at the pleasure of the president and therefore can't just run amok with a more liberal view on abortion because that's not the mandate he's been given.
SPEAKER 06 :
And we are still fundraising, too, for that campaign. And I know, again, we have begun to sign some contracts to start that media campaign because of the donations we've received. My brother Logan was very clear with you that we need to raise about $500,000. And if we can do that quickly enough, we know that we can do this in other states that are hostile to these pregnancy resource centers, which are on the front line of the pro-life movement. And they're still going to be hostile to them. if Donald Trump's president. So it's a key time to support the work of the ACLJ. We have new campaigns to start, to launch, to protect and defend, and also let people know the truth about pro-life pregnancy resource centers. We also have the ongoing cases that we've talked about and I can't even imagine the amount of new cases we will have with the administration that is coming in with so many of our friends and allies who will be looking to support from the American Center for Law and Justice. You want to be a part of it, you donate today. We are behind right now, so we need you to donate. Double that donation at ACLJ.org today.
Join Neil Boron, Bob Duco, and John Rush as they explore the controversial topic of arming teachers and the practicality of current gun laws in preventing school shootings. The hosts tackle the sensationalism in media reporting and the need for realistic measures to ensure safety in educational environments. This episode also highlights the importance of resilience and the powerful role of prayer and faith in difficult times.
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Back with another week of the National Crawford Roundtable podcast. And, of course, very happy to have the guys with us, Neil Boron, Neil Boron, live out of Buffalo, New York. And, of course, John Rush, Rush to Reason out of Denver, Colorado. Guys, how are you? Great. Doing good. One week to go until Christmas. We are getting closer and closer. You guys get your Christmas shopping done, you do that stuff.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah.
SPEAKER 05 :
Does anybody still go out to the stores? No. I was actually at a mall last week, and I was amazed how empty it was right before Christmas.
SPEAKER 03 :
I don't know how they stay alive.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah, I'm not sure either. Honestly, don't know how they stay alive. I'm a small business guy, so I try to go out, but I don't do much shopping. And, you know, there's, what, five shopping days till Christmas or something? So I've got about four days left till I start. There you go. That's just how it works for me.
SPEAKER 05 :
And it's, hey, you know what? Thank the Lord for 7-Eleven and gift cards, I guess. Anyway, we're going to talk this week about, obviously, the tragic Wisconsin school shooting and all the gun debates that are... You know, propping up every time something like this happens. We'll also talk about the latest with the drones, the New Jersey drones and such. And some of the stuff in presidential politics. We've got a few things to get to. But first, though, let's talk about the Wisconsin school shooting. This is obviously just a horrible tragedy. Anytime you see something like this, 15-year-old girl goes into the school and shoots up a bunch of people, kills a teacher, kills a student, injures a few others, and then kills herself. according to police with her gun. And they're still trying to determine exactly what the motive is. As of Wednesday morning, the police chief says, well, it looks like there's a number of factors involved in the motive, but they're not really releasing anything yet. So you hate to see stuff like this. Obviously, people need to be in prayer for those families that are grieving in such a tough time, and right before Christmas, of all things, too. So as Christians, we certainly need to be doing that. But, you know, we know and John, I'll throw it over to you. We know that things like this get politicized, especially by the left. We've already been hearing, you know, a bunch of different liberals saying, you know, how many more children have to die before, you know, Republicans take action? We have common sense gun laws and whatever. You know what? You could take every single gun law on the books in liberal left-wing California, apply them all in Wisconsin, and you know something? It doesn't stop things like this. We talked about this before. Sometimes bad things happen in an evil world. It doesn't mean we minimize it, but new gun laws wouldn't change anything.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah, I hear even, you know, Joe Biden and others, you know, we need more common sense gun control, which, by the way, there's no such thing. We need background checks, universal background checks. We need this. We need that. What reality is this young girl, 15 years of age, I don't believe and I might be corrected on this. And if so, I'm sure somebody will let me know. But I don't think there's a single state. out there that will allow a 15-year-old to buy a handgun. I'd be very surprised. I would be shocked if there is. I know there's some states where young people can buy long guns and things like that, but I don't believe that she could legally go into a gun store. Number one, she doesn't really even have the ID to pass most background checks that are in a lot of states that are out there now. And no, there's not universal, but a lot of states still do that. I'm not sure about Wisconsin. I, by the way, have not looked at their gun laws. I would be surprised, knowing as liberal as they are, if they don't have some things on the books similar to what California and Colorado have when it comes to buying guns at that age. I would be shocked in Wisconsin if she's able to legally buy a gun as a 15-year-old. Point being, it doesn't make any difference. And they use every one of these tragedies to further their agenda, which, by the way, guys, at the end of the day is to remove – all guns, period. They don't want the Second Amendment. They look at that as archaic. They want it to go away. They don't understand nor care. Actually, I think they do understand and they do care. That's why they want to see it go away, because if you can remove it, you can remove all of the rest of the Bill of Rights that we have, because that's the one that really keeps the rest of them in check.
SPEAKER 05 :
And you know something? Of all of those liberals, they, yeah, you got the ones that what they really, really want is to try to make guns illegal in America, which is absurd because the criminals out there, the entire black market for illegal guns, they're not going to go, oh, well, I guess we're breaking the law, so we'll turn them all in. No, it just means the only people that are going to have guns are bad guys, lawbreakers with guns. So we don't need that. But, you know, also, John, they know. They know full well that even the ones that don't want to ban guns, actually, they know that they can use this as a political tool against Republicans by creating the false perception that there's common sense gun laws that if they were just passed, these children wouldn't have to die in school shootings. But those Republicans and the NRA keep blocking it. And if they can trick people into believing that, then it can cause those swing voters to look at Republicans with stink eye. So, Neil, I want to get your take on this as well. And I know before you get into talking about this, one of the things we really want to encourage our listeners to do is to support our sponsors and thank our sponsors. We talk about Preborn. Let's talk about SunPowerLED.com, which has just been helping a lot of people.
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SPEAKER 01 :
It is. I checked.
SPEAKER 04 :
And it definitely is in school, right? You're not allowed to bring it. So the point is there are multiple laws broken. Who knows how many? Who knows who maybe gave her that handgun? But ultimately, laws were broken. That's the point. I mean, and so how many laws do you want to have? They're going to be broken if somebody intends to act in an illegal fashion. Exactly. And I don't know why that argument never seems to settle on the minds of liberals and progressives. The bottom line is every crime that's committed with a gun is done so illegally because they're breaking the law in order to do it.
SPEAKER 05 :
Anyway. That's right. Yeah. You are so right about that. And actually, Neil, there's something else I want to ask you about that in just a second. First, though, I do want to take a moment and ask our listeners to please support Preborn if you haven't done that yet. Or maybe it's just a thing where you have before and it's like, you know what, I want to go ahead and give them another gift. It saves some more babies' lives. Remember, pre-born is the main pro-life group that shows these ultrasound images of unborn babies to expectant moms. They do this in pro-life centers all across the country. And you know when a mom sees a picture of her baby, she doesn't go across the street to Planned Parenthood. She usually lets her baby live. And she usually accepts Jesus Christ, too. So what we want to do is pay for these ultrasound images, everybody, plain and simple. So here's two ways you can do this. Because we don't have enough ultrasound machines and enough ultrasound images being shown across the country. So here's how we save more babies' lives. Number one, buy an ultrasound machine. We need somebody out there, some people out there to buy ultrasound machines. They're $15,000 a piece. It's a nice tax write-off for you coming up on the end of the year. And your forever legacy will be that you stopped thousands and thousands of abortions year after year. For everybody else, just pay for an individual number of ultrasound images. $28 is the average ultrasound expense to stop one abortion, to save one baby's life. So take $28 times fill in the blank, whatever that number is, and that's your gift to pre-born. And anything you give to pre-born, 100% goes to the ultrasounds, not a penny for overhead. So we want you to give right now, if you would. Here's how you do it. Go online to CrawfordMediaGroup.net and click on Preborn. CrawfordMediaGroup.net, click on Preborn. You can give right there. You can also give over the phone to a real live person. They answer 24-7, 833-850-BABY. That's 833-850-BABY. And we appreciate you folks doing that. So, Neil, let me ask you, Neil Boron, Neil Boron, live out of Buffalo, New York. What about with this school shooting and the gun arguments and such? You know, it gets politicized so much from the left. Oh, if we just if we just had more gun laws, we know that, as you said, you're right. The laws are going to be broken anyway. But here's the two main things, Neil, that I see in common every time I see these these kind of school shootings. Number one. There are no new gun laws that would have stopped that shooting, okay? And number two, they're all gun-free zones. You have teachers that aren't armed. And I'm not trying to pick on this school, okay? It's a Christian school. But teachers that aren't armed, I've got to imagine there are some teachers there that probably have concealed carry licenses. They're proficient with firearms. And in cases like that... Would I rather have a police officer, a resource officer? Sure. But if I don't have somebody right there, then I'd rather at least have a teacher familiar with guns that's packing that can maybe stop something like this sooner than when police can eventually get there.
SPEAKER 04 :
Well, yeah. And, you know, I realize how shocking that sounds to some people. And there are definitely teachers that want nothing to do with a handgun. They just are not comfortable handling one or whatever.
SPEAKER 01 :
Right.
SPEAKER 04 :
But other teachers have backgrounds in military service or law enforcement. It's not that big a deal. And I think arming teachers is not a bad thing. In the right context, done the right way, I think it's not a bad thing. And by the way, how many churches, you know, have security teams where people are carrying in states where you're allowed to concealed carry? especially in rural areas. You know, 60, 70 percent of the congregations pack in heat, but nobody's hitting those churches, you know, for mass shootings because they know they're not going to get away with it. There's the deterrence factor. So I don't think it's a bad idea to consider something like that, and I realize it's controversial, but, you know, that ultimately is about protection and deterrence. It isn't about arming people who intend to break the law. It's about arming people who intend to protect innocent citizens like the students at that school in Wisconsin.
SPEAKER 05 :
Right. So true. John, your thoughts on that? Because it is a controversial thing, the idea of arming teachers.
SPEAKER 03 :
No, no, I'm with Neil. I mean, I think if you look at most of these individuals... Not all. There's a few rare exceptions, but for the most part, these guys are not heroes by any stretch of the imagination. Most of them are cowards, and what I mean by that, and I honestly believe in this case as well, if this young lady had known that there were several teachers on site, you know, packing, quote-unquote, and that she might risk... you know, being, you know, shot back at immediately. Believe me, that changes the perception in the mind of those individuals right off the bat. And to me, Bob, it's one of the biggest deterrents you can have because when these nefarious individuals are thinking about doing these things in the first place, that has to be the first thing that comes in their mind. You know, even if it's, okay, how am I going to, you know, disarm so-and-so because I know that they've got, you know, a gun in their desk or a gun on them or whatever the case may be. Just the reality that, hey, there are going to be people there shooting back at me if I do this. That changes everything.
SPEAKER 05 :
You know, it's interesting that you would think with all of the anti-gun people out there who believe in gun-free zones, you would think there would be a huge retail market for yard signs that say this house is a gun-free zone. But you know what? There's not.
SPEAKER 03 :
There's not a market out there for that. They're all cowards. They're not going to do that.
SPEAKER 05 :
Why would you put that kind of a message out there for the burglars? Of course nobody's going to do that.
SPEAKER 03 :
And really quick, going back to what Neil said a moment ago about the churches, and I'd have to go check the stats on this, but we cover... The three of us, a lot of different things on a daily basis. And the other thing, by the way, that's been coming out here of late on a lot of the national media is how many school shootings there have been. 323 was one report, which is so far off, it's ridiculous.
SPEAKER 05 :
CNN said 83. New York Times said 320.
SPEAKER 03 :
There's been like three all year when it's all said and done. So at any rate.
SPEAKER 05 :
Right.
SPEAKER 03 :
You know, thinking about what Neil said a moment ago, and I'm thinking, okay, you know, when's the last big church shooting that we've had? And I know there's been some synagogues and things like that, but churches where in a lot of cases, especially, you know, medium to large churches, even small churches, you know, there's somebody there that's now packing armed and so on. My point is I think now that that's become more well-known that churches are doing that, and I don't want to say this because I don't want it to happen, but we haven't seen a lot of that of late.
SPEAKER 05 :
Since New Life, really, in your backyard. Correct.
SPEAKER 03 :
What happened is churches armed themselves once that happened, and again, most of these criminals know that, so again, when's the last big one of those we've heard about?
SPEAKER 04 :
It's been a long time. Well, I think since New Life, there may have been Sutherland, Texas, and then there was the shooting.
SPEAKER 03 :
But that was one where, and I've interviewed that guy, there was a guy nearby that ran in there and actually ended up diffusing that whole situation, and that didn't end well for the shooter.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah, all I'm saying is that they still happen, but they're happening at a less frequent pace because of the deterrence factor. And I don't know. I mean, I think that I interviewed a gentleman. He's an African-American pastor from Niagara Falls, New York. Wonderful brother in Christ. I had him in the studio. He was pushing back on Governor Hochul here in New York, who, on the heels of COVID-19, tried to make it illegal to carry in certain settings, including churches, because, quote, in her mind, they should all be gun-free zones, houses of worship, etc. He said, I've been a pastor for like 40 years, and I've got a small congregation. I don't have money to pay a security team. No one in our church, you know, would qualify. We've got an older congregation. When I'm standing in the pulpit, and I got 35 people sitting in the pews, and somebody comes in the back door armed, I want to be able to protect my congregation, and I'm And he held his ground along with some other pastors, black and white, just pastors that care about protecting their congregations. And ultimately, that thing was thrown out, and he's caring. He's caring in church. But yeah, I mean, think of the mindset of a pastor who's preparing a sermon on Sunday but saying, I've got to protect the people that I'm preaching to.
SPEAKER 05 :
Right. That's brutal.
SPEAKER 03 :
Which, guys, really quick, I mean, that attitude, which, by the way, I fully agree with. Let's protect the people that are inside of this particular building organization and so on. There's, by the way, a lot of other organizations that do exactly the same thing. Why don't we do that with our kids?
SPEAKER 05 :
I know. I know. Are they not a valuable enough asset?
SPEAKER 03 :
Thank you. Yes, they are the most valuable asset we have.
SPEAKER 05 :
Okay, because I'll tell you what. We protect celebrities a whole lot better. We protect members of Congress a whole lot better. I mean, we protect just about everybody a whole lot better than we protect our kids inside the classroom.
SPEAKER 03 :
Bob, we do just the opposite. We tell everybody that these are gun-free zones where our kids are actually at. We do the opposite, Bob.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah, exactly. Advertising.
SPEAKER 05 :
We put a neon sign out there that says, by the way, it's easy pickings in this school because it's a gun-free zone.
SPEAKER 03 :
It's a shame.
SPEAKER 05 :
I know. Now, John, you mentioned the thing. I want to go a little bit deeper about the media reports we're seeing about how many school shootings there are every year. People need to know there are left-wing schools. groups, left-wing anti-gun groups out there that tabulate their own data of how many school shootings, mass shootings, things like that there are. And they come up with their own liberal left-wing criteria for this. And then the media uses them as some kind of an actual source, a legitimate source. But we got to remember, during COVID, remember how COVID deaths were over-exaggerated because everything was labeled a COVID death, everything. That's right. Somebody gets a motorcycle crash with a fever, okay, well, that could be probable COVID. Therefore, we can call it a COVID death. So they dramatically inflated the numbers by making a mile-wide net to catch anything and call it COVID. Well, that's how these left-wing anti-gun groups do it. They will literally, if you look at, like, for example, the organization that New York Times cited, okay, do you know what their criteria is for a school shooting?
SPEAKER 03 :
Anything that happens on school grounds.
SPEAKER 05 :
That's right. School grounds. And by the way, look at all the inner city high crime areas. It's very common for gangs to gather together and pull out their guns on school grounds, out in the parking lot somewhere. Things like that happen, not even inside the school.
SPEAKER 03 :
In July when there's not even school in session, by the way. Right. That's right. Those get counted also.
SPEAKER 05 :
And all they have to do is pull out a gun. They don't have to fire it. Just pull out a gun. One gang member to another. Three gang members pull out guns. There are three, quote, school shootings that are listed there. What? fire it it's just considered a school shooting this is how some of these left-wing groups do it also again they find any bullets anywhere okay where you can have gang members that in the neighborhood in the vicinity think about how many gang-ridden schools and the vicinities there are one of these anti-gun groups uses anything within what's considered the school zone which is usually around a four or five or six block area and so gangland activity gets credited as school shootings so Those numbers are grossly skewed.
SPEAKER 03 :
Most of them, by the way, come from every town USA. I know, and you know what?
SPEAKER 05 :
It's a way for the left-wing media to trick Americans into believing that this scenario of somebody going into a schoolroom and shooting up children is happening dozens and dozens and dozens of times a year, and it's just not true.
SPEAKER 03 :
Nope, it is not true.
SPEAKER 05 :
It shouldn't happen, and we need to stop it.
SPEAKER 03 :
Really quick, too, Bob, don't forget, even a stray bullet, so say there's a rural school out there and there's some... hunting area nearby, which, by the way, can happen even a stray bullet that, you know, in the middle of summer or, you know, an early morning, you know, whatever, something just happens to land their school shooting.
SPEAKER 05 :
I know, exactly.
SPEAKER 04 :
I was watching the news with my wife the other day, and they said something about the 300 school shootings. And I immediately thought of the overinflated numbers. I wasn't sure how they calculated that. It's shocking to find that out. But she gasped when she heard that number. She said, how is that possible? Well, I guess if you're going to count it the way you're describing, then maybe it's possible. But yeah, that's disgusting.
SPEAKER 05 :
They know if they can trick if they can trick some of those soccer moms out there into going, oh, my, this is horrible. This is happening this often in this country that making them think that the kids getting shot up in a classroom is what's happening with that kind of a frequency. Yeah, it can cause them to look over to Republicans and go, boy, I'll tell you what, maybe those Democrats are right. You know, and these Republicans are the ones with blood on their hands and blah, blah, blah. It's interesting. It's such dishonest propaganda. It just makes my eye twitch. It really does.
SPEAKER 03 :
By the way, these are the same individuals that will inflate all sorts of other things and yet deflate certain crime to make it look good on their end. So they are manipulating the data on a consistent basis, guys.
SPEAKER 05 :
And by the way, can I also say the argument of going after gun manufacturers for stuff like this? This is the stupidest thing I've ever heard in my life, going after the gun. Look, if a gun actually malfunctions and someone's injured, then of course the manufacturer's liable for that. Right. But if the gun functions the way it's intended to function, it can be used for good or for evil because the very same gun manufacturer produces a gun that a bad guy uses, also produces a gun that a good guy uses to save people's lives. Let me... Next time somebody gets killed by a drunk driver or plows their car into a crowd of people, do we now say, well, let's go ahead and sue Ford or General Motors because they're the ones who manufactured the car? It's the same car that's used to drive the pregnant mom to the hospital real quick to have the baby. Right. What do you think about that, Neil?
SPEAKER 04 :
Sue the manufacturers? No. I mean, that's a convoluted kind of thing, and I don't want to get into it right now because I want to say one more thing, and I know we're short on time this half hour. But, I mean, there's so many nuances to that whole thing. I do think that parents should be held liable if they're giving kids access to guns who illegally would be possessing or using them at that point. In other words, to not have a firearm in a locked cabinet and allow your 12-year-old to grab it and shoot a friend somewhere, I think the parents need to be held liable and or if they know about it, particularly if a kid makes violent overtures to certain people and says, I'm going to blow that guy up one of these days and for some reason either get them a gun or let them use... a gun that would constitute illegal use, then I think parents should be held liable for that. I don't know. It's controversial in certain circumstances because you could see the overreach people would want to take by just saying, well, if you had a gun in your house, you must be guilty. But I think there are certain cases where it would matter. I think parents are letting kids get away with far too much, especially when they know that they're troubled. A kid that has been posting violent things or saying potentially violent things, I think that parents need to take action at that point.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah, I mean, but this is a whole other conversation we could spend really an entire podcast on, which is safe gun ownership, proper training of your kids. I mean, guys, I grew up in a home and had a father where I started shooting, and I'm not exaggerating at age five or six, understood at the very early age what that gun could do, what it meant, what you weren't supposed to do, how you were supposed to treat it, all of the gun safety that goes with it, and not to get off on a tangent, but we don't do that anymore.
SPEAKER 05 :
Right. Yeah.
SPEAKER 03 :
We don't teach that anymore.
SPEAKER 05 :
That happened to much. I would agree. I would agree. I think it's important that the kids know, frankly, how guns work and kind of mystify it for them a little bit, demystify it, because then that way they realize how lethal and dangerous.
SPEAKER 03 :
That's right. Exactly. Yeah, when I was a kid, you know, growing up and, you know, it was a time where, you know, gun safes, things like that really didn't exist. You know, my dad just sort of hid guns all over the place, you know, wherever, you know, he happened to think that somebody that would be breaking in wouldn't be able to find them, that kind of a thing. But we all had a very healthy, two siblings, we had a healthy respect for guns. I can remember even a few times where friends would come over and they'd ask to see such and such. And it was like, no, that is not okay. We're not going to go do X, Y, and Z. And no, you're not going to look at my dad's gun. I mean, we knew on the front side how this was supposed to work because we had been taught that way.
SPEAKER 05 :
Absolutely. No, you're absolutely right. And by the way, we are going to, in the second half of the podcast, because we're coming up on the end of the first half, we're going to talk about all these drones, the New Jersey drones, and what's the latest with that and how should we look at this as we continue through the podcast. We do want to ask you folks also, please support the sponsors to this podcast because these sponsors are supporting us and we appreciate them doing that. One of them, of course, is Preborn. And if you haven't given to pre-born yet, do it now. You're coming up on the end of the year, folks, and this is a chance to go ahead and do it. If you will give to pre-born right now, you know that you're going to save babies' lives, everybody. You're going to do this. You're paying for ultrasound images for these moms to see pictures of their baby, okay, in pro-life centers. $28 is the average ultrasound expense to stop one abortion, to save one baby's life. So will you pray about a number of babies' lives you'll save? Take $28 times fill in the blank. And whatever that number is, that's your gift to pre-born. And 100% of what you give goes to fund ultrasounds, nothing for overhead. And, hey, we need some of you out there to buy ultrasound machines. We don't have enough of them, okay? They're $15,000 apiece. It's a nice tax write-off for you coming up on the end of the year. And your forever legacy is that you're stopping thousands and thousands of abortions year after year after year. So what do you say? Give to Preborn right now. You can go online to CrawfordMediaGroup.net, click on Preborn, give right there. And you can also call over the phone, 833-850-BABY. They answer 24-7, 833-850-BABY. We appreciate you supporting them. We also appreciate, Neil, our listeners supporting SunPowerLED because they do tremendous work getting people out of pain.
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Continuing the second half of the National Crawford Roundtable Podcast with John Rush, Rush to Reason out of Denver, Colorado, Neil Boron, Neil Boron Live out of Buffalo, New York, myself, Bob Duco, The Bob Duco Show out of Detroit. You know, the first half we were talking about the whole gun debate following the Wisconsin school shooting and such. Let's talk about the drones, guys. What we're hearing now is that there was an intel meeting that the FBI and the FAA and all the security apparatus of the United States, apparently they had representatives meeting with the House Intelligence Committee yesterday. And the House Intelligence Committee is coming out, mostly Democrats, saying, yeah, they assured us that there's nothing to be concerned about regarding these drones. But they also said this is not a government operation, but there's no real harm or concern about these drones being up there. And so I guess... I don't know, John, for me, it seems like I don't want to be a conspiratorial guy. I've said all along, I'm open to the possibility. This is just a bunch of teenage nerds. I'm open to the possibility that it is some kind of government secret thing, but they just don't want to admit it. And I'm open to the possibility that you have foreign actors out there maybe working through American proxies to do some last minute surveillance before Joe Biden leaves. But it just seems to me that the answer that ought to be forthcoming right now is we now have identified these drones. These are the source of the drones. This is who's flying them. This is who's owning them. They have to know that. Why aren't they telling us that?
SPEAKER 03 :
Because I think they're looking for something that they don't want to scare the rest of the population into knowing is. Out there, there's conversation, and I think the one where some of the stories out there, conspiracies, I guess you could say, was there was a nuke out of Ukraine that was lost. I think that one's been pretty much dispelled. The one that continues to keep rolling along, and I've interviewed a couple of individuals that have some inside information. I guess you could say on my show, is that there is some nuclear waste that has been lost, and they don't know where it is, and that these drones, and the reason they're flying at night is because the signature of is much easier to find at night than it is during the day, that it's the DOE that's actually... you know, doing this. And again, why they don't tell us is, I guess, because if they don't want outright panic and people, you know, fleeing a portion of the country. I mean, I don't know. I don't know what the reasons for this would be. I mean, just be honest and tell people what's going on. But I think it's more along those lines, and I think it's the reason why you even see Donald Trump saying that basically he knows he can't say, and I don't know why they're keeping this hush-hush. I think they know the origins. They're just not saying. And I don't think it's anybody that's from another country, and I don't think it's anybody here doing it on our own shores. I think it's government.
SPEAKER 05 :
Well, and it is plausible, that particular theory, that if there's some nuclear waste somewhere that's been lost and they're trying to find it, people have no idea if this is going to be another Lima, Ohio chemical kind of nightmare. Correct. Neil, it does make you wonder then – If any of us were in charge, might we possibly say, and I want to defend the Democrats and the apparatus here, but might we possibly say, hey, look, the lesser of the evils is lying to the public and not telling them because if we tell them the truth, we could create a panic and mass exodus and from regions that it doesn't have to happen to. And so maybe the lesser of the evils is to just keep a secret while we look for it. If that were the case, I could kind of see that.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah, and I only agree with you for this reason, probably. I don't think it's a good thing to lie to the public, but the government does it all the time. And I'm not justifying it, but I mean, we were lied to that Joe Biden was fit to serve as president of the United States. We haven't really had a president during these past four years. Who knows who's running the country? But all of it based on a lie that he was mentally fit. He's not. And we saw that during the debate. But You know, are we being lied to? I think it's a strong possibility. We are being lied to. There's one other theory, by the way. I have my own theory on this. I think that the New York Giants are so dreadful this year. No, listen. This is a marketing ploy to rebrand and relaunch next year as a team called the New Jersey Drones. And, you know, join the NFL. And a lot of people are interested in the New Jersey Drones, so maybe they could actually get people in the stand. That's actually a good theory. Yeah. It's not horrible. There's so many strange thoughts that I have about this. Again, if they know anything, why aren't they telling the public? And I think there's so much distrust of government right now. And you heard what Donald Trump said. He's like, they know what it is. They know exactly what it is, and they're not telling you. And I would be curious to know why they're not telling you. He's leading us to believe that they know exactly what this is. And I think a lot of people...
SPEAKER 03 :
I honestly think he knows he just he can't because of where he's at and so on. The fact that he's not president right now, of course, you know, can't say which, by the way, for all of those individuals that have always said that, you know, he he leaked documents and he did this and he did that. Well, if in fact and we come to find out down the road that he in fact did know exactly right now what's going on and didn't say a word that disproves all of that other nonsense as well. It does.
SPEAKER 05 :
Which, by the way, let me – John, do you think, though, that it's – not to try to poke holes in this particular theory of we're looking for some nuclear waste or something.
SPEAKER 03 :
And that's all it is.
SPEAKER 05 :
I mean, I have no idea. But it's almost like I could see that if there were a particular county that they were scanning. But you've got an entire state of New Jersey that's being scanned, parts of New York, even parts of Pennsylvania. It just seems like that's a huge swath of land to be looking for something.
SPEAKER 03 :
Well, keep in mind, though, if it's something that's delivered on rail, for example, and somehow a – Car, for example, got lost, which don't ask me how that happens, but I guess it's happened before. Put that one in quotes. Put that one in quotes. Lost. Yeah, I mean, supposedly it's happened before. This isn't the first time. And the one thing that, and this is where I asked my guests the other day about this, if you look at the way the drones fly, they're doing it very much in a grid pattern, meaning they are looking for something. So the question is, if it's not the DOE, then why? Honestly, for me, it's more scary if it's not that. If that's not the case, what are they looking for? I know.
SPEAKER 04 :
Well, can I say something, too? I mean, one of the things that's been curious to me is that these things, for the most part, I mean, one of the former congressmen, Adam somebody, Kinzinger or something, was saying that he believes, and he apparently was in the military or a military pilot or something, but that, you know, look at Some of these things I see, he goes, I haven't really seen a drone. I'm seeing small manned aircraft. Well, maybe he's just missing the drones, but we're told that there are actual drones out there. But why would they have like proper FAA lighting on them, right? I mean, if this was like a nefarious foreign government somehow launching drones from a mystery ship out in the ocean. And coming to scan out, you know, the best way to attack the United States or something or find out how secure we are from a drone attack, you know, try to assess all that. Well, why would they put proper FAA lighting on them?
SPEAKER 03 :
Furthermore, Neil, why wouldn't we have shot them down by now?
SPEAKER 04 :
Correct. And that was part of what I was also going to say. And on top of that, why haven't we like scrambled jets or sent a Blackhawk helicopter up there? Blackhawks are used to flying in traffic, man. I mean, when they're low to the ground and there's a cat fight, dog fight in the air going on, they're avoiding objects.
SPEAKER 03 :
We have technology that could land them electronically where you don't even have to fire a shot. Don't forget that as well. So The reality is we could send out a mini EMP pulse near every one of those things and destroy them immediately, and they'd fall to the ground. So the reality is we're not doing that because they're ours. Yeah.
SPEAKER 04 :
And that would be the speculation, sure.
SPEAKER 05 :
Which I'm still open to the possibility that it might actually be the smarter thing to keep the public in the dark about it.
SPEAKER 03 :
And Bob, you could be, I'm not going to argue that one either. If it is something that, let's say it's even worse than nuclear waste. I don't know what that would be, by the way, but let's say it's something even worse than that. Yeah, do you want to keep the public in the dark and not have them in some sort of a panic mode where everybody immediately wants to leave the coast and drive away? you know, travel inward, I mean, that would be a total disaster. So which is better? I don't have that answer. I don't know what we're doing, so I don't have the answer to that.
SPEAKER 05 :
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Absolutely. And we appreciate you folks doing this as we continue through this podcast. You know, Donald Trump being the de facto president, actually, if we could, before we even get to that, John, I do want to get your take on the Biden administration auctioning off... Trump border wall for five cents on the dollar. Texas, by the way, is stepping in saying, you know what, we're going to buy it up then and we'll store it for Trump and then give it to him once he's in. But Ted Cruz, I thought, made a really good point when Trump, when he was asked about this, he said, you know, this may be criminal what they're doing. And then Ted, you know, people are like, oh, that's an exaggeration. But what Senator Cruz said is he said, think about his example was think if you had a sheriff in a town and that sheriff lost the election and he hated to lose. And he's mad now that he lost. And here comes the new sheriff. But before the new sheriff can be sworn in, the old sheriff decides to take the 10 squad cars that are worth $50,000 a piece and auction them off for a hundred bucks a piece. You're going to tell me that that sheriff wouldn't be indicted on charges for this. And so how is that any different than John, than what Joe Biden is doing right now with border wall?
SPEAKER 03 :
In my opinion, there is no difference. This is very criminal in its behavior, if you would, or what he's actually doing. He's doing it on purpose. It's a poke in the eye at Donald Trump and, frankly, all of the Americans that voted for Donald Trump, which, again, just as a side note, I talked in my program yesterday about how the Democrats have lost touch. With, you know, with the country. Another example right now, you've got a majority of the country that voted for Donald Trump because the very thing we're talking about in regard to the border. And yet this particular, you know, party and because, you know, let's face it, it is all part of the same party are going to do exactly what they're doing right now. That is nothing more than a poke in the eye at every voter that voted for Donald Trump.
SPEAKER 05 :
I know. Neil, what do you think about them selling off the border wall for pennies on the dollar?
SPEAKER 04 :
I just picture a kid about to lose a chess game, and he's had enough, and he flips the board and walks out of the room. Good example. If I can't win, I'm taking my sports equipment and going home or whatever. It's the idea that they're trying to stand in the way of the Trump agenda, and the Trump agenda is to crack down on illegal immigration. And I think the American people, honestly, should be outraged. I don't care what your background is. We spent money for a border wall that ultimately will be erected under the Trump administration, at least portions of it, I would think. And the idea that they're standing in the way of that so blatantly... You know, trying to step in the way to say, look, I don't care what the American people said at the polls this past year or how big of an issue illegal immigration is to people that want secure borders. We're just going to sell this stuff off because, you know, we're upset at the Trump administration and we're just going to stick it to them. And I think that they should be held accountable. And we're the ones who bought this. It's taxpayer money.
SPEAKER 05 :
It's taxpayer money. So we're the ones who bought this wall.
SPEAKER 03 :
Mm-hmm.
SPEAKER 04 :
So 100 percent.
SPEAKER 03 :
And believe me, I can tell you right now from being around some of that type of product, that's not cheap stuff we're getting rid of, by the way, guys.
SPEAKER 05 :
Yeah.
SPEAKER 03 :
Nothing in the government is cheap. I mean, that's going to be very expensive to replace, is my point.
SPEAKER 05 :
Yeah, and it's taxpayer money being spent, and I don't see anybody upset about this. CNN, MSNBC, a bunch of Democrats in Congress, they ought to be griping about this or not. Of course not. So they're all complicit in this. So what do you think about Donald Trump kind of functioning as the de facto president at this point? It does seem like he is. I mean, look, you've got this gazillionaire Japanese businessman – who says, Trump is making me confident enough in the U.S. economy that I'm going to go ahead and invest $100 billion in the United States. $100,000 employees, I think, as well.
SPEAKER 03 :
Did I read that right?
SPEAKER 05 :
$100,000 employees, they're estimating, too. Yeah, Trump's not even in the White House yet. He's already meeting with the world leaders and basically starting to arrange the chess pieces already. I imagine that they're already doing some behind the scenes negotiations already with Iran and Hamas as far as getting those hostages released, too. So it really is, you know, if you think about it, Neil, let me ask you about this first. This is an historic thing. I've never seen this in my life before, where you have an outgoing president who's really not the functioning president anymore, and the incoming president actually functioning as the president, but before he's actually legally allowed to. I think it's a good thing that Trump is doing, but I find it incredible that he's seen as the president of the United States right now, not Joe Biden. Mm-hmm.
SPEAKER 04 :
Well, it really says a lot about the perceptions that the American people have about what's been happening in the White House over the last four years. And I don't think it's just that Joe Biden lost, so he's going away. I don't think he was ever present. I mean, this was sleepy Joe sitting in his basement. Remember that prior to the 2020 election? Where was he and where has he been? And why don't we see him more often or why haven't we seen him more often at press conferences and you know, in public, making public statements. It's because he's incapacitated, and I don't think he's actually been the president for the last four years. So I think Donald Trump, you know, I think that the public is welcoming the idea that we're going to have a president, a visible president, who's going to be accountable to the American people, who's going to say things and then follow up on those things, you know, make statements, make claims, and then make good on those claims. And I think people are hungry for that. So I don't see that the American people are going to push back at all. I think Democrats ought to be furious in one sense that he's sticking his nose in there. But on the other hand, I think they're just resigned to it. It's over, man. And the whole Biden thing ain't happening. Where's Kamala anyway? She's been invisible. So I think it's entirely appropriate because the world is ready for change. And here comes Donald Trump.
SPEAKER 03 :
Both of you guys understand the whole leadership principle. You've been around things long enough. Neil, you, the church, Bob, you as well. And the reality is this is something, by the way, that the other side, I think, has completely lost. They have forgotten. They don't know what real leadership is. They want to rule in a very Putin way, which, by the way, is not leading. It's dictating. And the reality is the American public doesn't want that. They will follow a good, solid, proven leader. It's why I believe Donald Trump was elected unanimously even by a popular vote. They're tired of not being led, and they're looking for a leader.
SPEAKER 05 :
Well, think about John, think about the Mar-a-Lago press conference that Trump just I mean, for over an hour just the other day, allowed himself to be peppered with as many questions as the press wanted to hit him with. He was willing to do that for over an hour. And you can't even imagine just try to picture Donald Trump at that press conference only taking a few minutes and then looking down at a piece of paper saying, OK, hold on a minute. They told me who I told me to call on you. Oh, yeah. This person, OK, I'm supposed to call on you. And then the blank stares. And we just can't. Yes, you're right. Americans are hungry for some kind of leadership right now. And Donald Trump is showing that he's the guy that's in charge, let alone when January 20th comes here.
SPEAKER 04 :
You know, I have the Fox News app on my phone, and I don't know if you guys do, but leading up to the election, well, after they named Kamala as the candidate, right? Sleepy Joe says, I'm backing out, and Kamala's it, and nobody had a vote on that, but here she is, and she's the candidate. Fox News started tracking how long it was before she held any kind of a formal press conference. And I believe that the last number I saw, or at least remember, was 105 days that she did not hold any kind of a formal press conference. Like you just described, that Donald Trump stood there and just took questions from the press, unprompted, no teleprompter, whatever, just answering questions. Kamala was nowhere to be found. And yet we were supposed to believe that she was capable of leading our government? I don't think so. Right.
SPEAKER 05 :
Well, it really is showing that no matter what you may say about Donald Trump or his personality, his style, anything like that, I don't think anybody can question his ability to lead.
SPEAKER 03 :
Really quick, Bob, which, by the way, his style and demeanor and approachability and so on has changed dramatically. And, again, I think it comes from the assassination attempt, frankly. I think a lot of things changed at that point. But the way he's handling everything is just – it's 180 degrees different than it was prior.
SPEAKER 05 :
Yeah. Hey, what do you think about, you know, I'm curious your thoughts on how he's handling the media, because on one hand, he's basically telling, at least how it looks to me, he's saying, I am either going to be the guy who reaches out the olive branch and tries to get along with you, or I'm going to be your worst enemy. Okay. But we're not going to have some kind of middle of the road relationship. So he's willing to meet with MSNBC people. He's willing to You know, take their calls and talk with them, do the interviews, talk with the press, even have their back a little bit saying, you know, the press is important. We need to have them. But at the same time, he says to Des Moines, Iowa, Des Moines Register, Iowa newspaper. OK, guess what? I'm suing you and your top pollster for election interference. ABC. OK, I'll take your 15 million dollars. CBS. I'm still hauling you into court. We'll see if we get an out of court settlement here. and they're just going to work down the line and start suing the media organizations. And you know something? I don't see that as a contradiction. I see that, John, as being smart. This is Trump saying, if you're going to lie, you're going to have to get better at it, okay? Because if you're going to play this game, I'm going to be your worst enemy. We can either be good friends or we can be horrible enemies, but the status quo is not going to exist anymore.
SPEAKER 03 :
I think the other thing that plays into this, and even Van Jones on CNN not that long ago, I think just a few nights ago, said that, you know, At one time, we were the mainstream media and all of these other sources, the social media end of things and so on, that was fringe media. And even Van Jones himself said, that has switched. We are no longer the mainstream. What used to be the fringe has now become mainstream. And I think Donald Trump, by the way, understands that. Unfortunately, I'm not sure all of mainstream other than maybe Van Jones understands that.
SPEAKER 05 :
I know. And by the way, Neil, we're coming up on the bottom of the hour. But your thoughts on that real quick. And then please tell us about SunPower LED after your thoughts, too.
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The episode also sheds light on international issues, notably the situation in the Middle East. Our speakers analyze the evolving dynamics in Gaza, highlighting diplomatic efforts and the role of US foreign policy. From potential ceasefire agreements to the complex relationships impacting regional stability, learn how these developments might shape global politics. We wrap up with a discussion on changes within the House Oversight Committee and what 'trench warfare' might mean for future legislative agendas.
SPEAKER 09 :
from the heart of our nation's capital in Washington, D.C., bringing compelling interviews, insightful analysis, taking you beyond the headlines and soundbites into conversations with our nation's leaders and newsmakers, all from a biblical worldview. Sitting in for Tony is today's host, Jody Heiss.
SPEAKER 15 :
Well, good afternoon and welcome to this Wednesday edition of Washington Watch. I am Jody Heiss, Senior Vice President here at the Family Research Council and President of FRC Action. It is an honor, as always, to be filling in for Tony and Deepley. Honored and thrilled to have you joining us today as well. We've got a lot to bring your way. In fact, some breaking news as we enter the program. Let me give you some of the highlights. Of course, we've been waiting for it for the past couple of days, and now we finally have it. I'm referring to the text for the continuing resolution that would keep the federal government open through March 14th.
SPEAKER 01 :
With this agreement, we are now on our way to avoiding a government shutdown. The sooner Congress acts, the better.
SPEAKER 15 :
Well, that was Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer on the Senate floor a little bit earlier today, but now... There are some breaking news. It came out just minutes before the program started. And how is that breaking news going to affect things? Well, I'll be joined here in just a few moments by Georgia Congressman Andrew Clyde to discuss all of this. So you want to be sure to stay tuned as all this unfolds as we speak. And earlier today. The Senate voted 85 to 14 to pass the National Defense Authorization Act, moving it along now to President Biden's desk to be signed. So was it a victory for conservatives? Well, I'll be discussing this later in the program with FRC's Senior Director for Government Affairs, Kena Gonzalez. And Democrat Congressman Jerry Conley beat out Congresswoman Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez for the top Democratic position on the House Oversight and Accountability Committee. Now, Conley is making it clear to Republicans that there will be what he refers to as trench warfare in the next Congress. So what in the world are we to make of that comment? I'll be joined a little bit later in the program with Congressman Andy Biggs, who also serves on that committee to continue that discussion. And then in the Middle East, Hamas is now signaling its willingness toward a potential hostage and ceasefire agreement. So is a deal really closer than ever, as some have been saying?
SPEAKER 11 :
Ultimately, at the crux of this, at the crux of getting a ceasefire in Gaza, what we're talking about is a deal that would be implemented in phases. And we're all currently focused on trying to get to that first phase, which is about hostages being released, a temporary ceasefire, and a surge in humanitarian assistance.
SPEAKER 15 :
Well, that was U.S. State Department Principal Deputy Spokesperson Patel earlier today, and Dr. A.J. Nolte from Regent University will return to continue our discussion from yesterday regarding the latest developments in the Middle East. So, friends, we have a ton of information to bring your way today, and you don't want to miss any of it. But if by chance you do, you can always go back and catch it at our website, TonyPerkins.com, where not only this edition of Washington Watch can be found, but past editions as well. And, of course, you know there's a lot of resources also available there at the website. So be sure to bookmark that page and keep it handy. Also, during this Christmas season, Family Research Council invites you to join us in shining the light of biblical truth here in Washington DC and across the country. It's a dangerous leadership transition and lame duck session and on and on and on and on we go right now. These are perilous times. And FRC is literally serving as a watchman on the wall. We're here protecting faith, family, and freedom from all sorts of attacks coming from the left. But thanks to a $1.5 million challenge match, every dollar you give to FRC from now until December 31st, it will be doubled. So you can double your impact. We encourage you to help FRC continue to literally having a prophetic voice for biblical truth. You can do so by texting the word light, L-I-G-H-T, light. Text that to 67742 and together. Let's have an eternal impact. All right, let's jump into the news today. And trust me, it is unfolding as we speak. So to begin with, late last night, House Speaker Mike Johnson unveiled a government spending bill that would carry the federal government through March 14th of next year. And as you may be aware, without passage of this continuing resolution, as it's called, the federal government will shut down after midnight this Friday. So, There's a lot at stake, but just within the last hour, certainly, President-elect Trump has himself now rejected the CR plan. So what does this mean for lawmakers on Capitol Hill? Now to discuss this with me is Congressman Andrew Clyde. He is on the House Appropriations Committee. He represents the 9th Congressional District of the great state of Georgia. Congressman Clyde, my good friend, welcome back to Washington Watch. see you.
SPEAKER 04 :
Great to see you too, Jody. Always good to be with you.
SPEAKER 15 :
Well, thank you so much. Boy, we got breaking news. As we speak, it's unfolding, unfolding, unfolding. Thank you for taking time out of what must just be an incredible schedule right now to come join us. So what is the latest? What does the breaking news of President Trump rejecting the CR, what does this mean?
SPEAKER 04 :
Well, I'm very, very thankful that the president decided to weigh in. You know, initially, Elon Musk weighed in and said via tweet that this bill should not pass. And then Vivek came in after that, after he said he'd read the bill and it is not something that should be passed. And and Elon came back in again and said, you know, anyone who votes for this bill should be primaried. And then President Trump finally, a little while later, a little bit later, just came in and said, hey, you know, I'm not supporting this bill. And I'm very thankful for that because we have read through this bill and it is full of Democrat priorities. It is it's a. Terrible on the financial side because you have $110 billion, up to $125 billion, depending on how you look at it, in government money, in borrowed money that is not paid for. That is not being financially responsible. You know, the American people sent President Trump to the White House and gave us the majority in both houses, the House and the Senate, so that we could get our fiscal house in order. And this bill does not do that. It goes the exact opposite way. This is not a win for the president or a win for the American people. It is a win for the swamp. And it has firmly been rejected right now. So we are waiting to see what is going to happen out of our leadership, out of Speaker Johnson. I believe it will be a much trimmer bill that will come out. And we'll see where we should have 72 hours to to read it and vote on it. I don't think that's probably going to happen. But but right now we're it's the waiting game.
SPEAKER 15 :
Wow. Well, I know you are one of the hardest working members of the Appropriations Committee, and I know you as an extremely detailed individual. I doubt if you've had time to read through all 1,500 plus pages of this thing in the short time that you've had it. But that said, just continue your train of thought there. What are some of the most concerning provisions that you have seen so far as you've been going through this?
SPEAKER 04 :
Well, we've not completely finished reading it, but from what I have read so far, it is simply unacceptable. The biggest issue that I have is the $110 billion, $100 billion of disaster aid, $10 billion going to the farmers that is not paid for. You know, it's one thing if you don't have any rescissions, any advanced appropriations that you can claw back the money. But we do. We've got billions and billions of dollars of advance appropriations that we could reallocate and actually have this disaster money paid for. But it's not. And that's just not being responsible. That's not why people sent us to Congress to do the same thing and have the same result and add more money to our national debt, which is killing us. So that was the number one concerning thing. There are so many other just things that are Democrat priorities. The Global Engagement Center, for one thing, which is literally taxpayer-funded, First Amendment-violating censorship of free speech, that has a one-year extension. I thought it was gonna die this month, a painful death, but it's being resurrected by this bill, and it needs to be killed.
SPEAKER 15 :
So it sounds like, and tell me if this would be a proper assessment from your perspective or not, but it sounds like this is probably more of a win for woke Democrats than it is for the GOP.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yes, that is a great way to say it. It is more of a win for woke Democrats. I mean, you've got RFK Stadium being transferred in this bill. You've got preferences to the Haiti in this bill. I mean, you have ethanol 15, E15, getting a subsidy in this bill. All sorts of things are getting subsidies in this bill that just – are not necessary and shouldn't be rushed through on a continuing resolution. It's really an omnibus actually. If you really look at it, it's an omnibus on a continuing resolution.
SPEAKER 15 :
Yeah, and when you look at the fact, as you referenced, $36 trillion now in our national debt, we as Republicans, we need to be going the other direction in terms of stopping, slowing down at least, suspending and stopping it wherever necessary rather than continuing, yet you said $110 billion of not paid for money. So let me just ask you this, Congressman McLeod, what happens now? What do Republicans need to do now What is going to happen now? Are there scheduled meetings to go back to the drawing board? What's the game plan now?
SPEAKER 04 :
Well, I think leadership is meeting to determine that as we speak. But what I believe should happen is a short-term, a clean CR, literally taking funding into March of next year, where we will have Republican territory, Republican House, Senate, and President, where we can then have Republican priorities, Republican spending levels. We can trim this down and get real numbers, real disaster aid numbers, as opposed to these bloated estimates. And then we should... We should be able to vote on it then when we have it in Republican territory. And for the rest of this that's in there, the Democrat priorities, kick them to the curb.
SPEAKER 15 :
OK, so what's the chances of that plan that you just suggested passing? It sounds like what you're saying, just an absolute clean CR, which means nothing added, nothing taken away, just current spending levels. Just keep it going until March 14th. Don't change anything until we have a new president and then come back and change it. Would that pass, do you think?
SPEAKER 04 :
If we added some disaster relief to that and some ag relief to that, but had it paid for, I think that would certainly, I believe, pass the House, especially after what Vivek and Elon have weighed in on. We're supposed to be about government efficiency here. That was the whole point of why the people reelected President Trump and gave us, you know, gave him rather such a mandate. We should be listening to that and we should be moving forward in that direction. And if we do, I think things will go well. And I think the Republicans will come together and be able to do that.
SPEAKER 15 :
So as you're talking to colleagues, you do think there would be the support for a clean CR, maybe perhaps some supplements for disaster relief, but paid for. And you think that would probably pass?
SPEAKER 04 :
I think it would pass. I think it would definitely. Well, I think it would pass the House, the Senate. I don't know if it will pass them. But, you know, our concern is the House. We should pass it and go home. And if the Senate doesn't want to pass that, then a government shutdown would be on the Senate. It would be a Schumer shutdown. And I don't think that they can actually handle that.
SPEAKER 15 :
That's got a good ring to it, actually, a Schumer shutdown. Congressman Andrew Cloud of Georgia, always great to see you, my friend. Thank you for joining us on Washington Watch. I know you've got a long night ahead of you, and Godspeed to you.
SPEAKER 04 :
Thank you. Great to be with you, Jody.
SPEAKER 15 :
All right, friends, don't go anywhere. On the other side of the break, FRC's Kena Gonzalez is going to be joining me to discuss the latest intel on the passing of the National Defense Authorization Act just moments ago. So a lot to find out about what's in that bill. We'll cover it right after the break. Stay tuned.
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SPEAKER 15 :
Welcome back to Washington Watch. So great to have you joining us today. I'm your host, Jody Heiss, sitting in today for Tony, and thank you for joining us as well. All right, a lot going on. In addition to the continuing resolution that we were just talking about, there's a lot of attention that also this week has been directed towards the National Defense Authorization Act, which just passed. moments ago. And there were several concerning and frankly woke provisions that Democrats attempted to cram in on their way out of power. So did they succeed in cramming in some woke priorities? Well, here now to discuss this and answer all the latest questions that we all have is a Kena Gonzalez, he's a senior director of government affairs here at the Family Research Council, and he has been spending a lot of time hanging out on Capitol Hill. Kena, welcome back to Washington Watch. Thanks for joining us.
SPEAKER 12 :
It's great to be at this desk and back from the Hill, Jody.
SPEAKER 15 :
Yeah, you've been spending a lot of time there, and I must say there's been a lot to deal with. So tell us, what's the breakdown for us, the most concerning provisions within the NDAA? Was it good, bad, ugly, indifferent? Where do we stand?
SPEAKER 12 :
Well, this is a bill that passes every year for the last 63 or 64 years, Jody. So as you can imagine, as you know, because you were on the Hill, I don't have to explain to you, but for our Democrats love to attach all kinds of credit to this bill because if it goes into the bill, it must pass. Without this bill, troops, funding levels, their salaries, things like that are set by the bill. So the bill must pass. And yes, there are many things that we're tracking in this bill this year that liberals on the Hill were either threatening to put into the bill or actually did try to put into the bill. It followed a bit of a convoluted path, this being the 118th Congress. Things have been convoluted all this year and last. But the final negotiations of the bill, there were three main things that we were watching to see if they would be included. Actually, two that we were watching and then one that sort of came out of left field. One was whether or not women would be forced to sign up for the draft. That was a major priority by liberals on the Hill. Another was whether the military would fund, expand taxpayer funding for IVF without consideration for some real serious pro-life concerns about how that was being expanded. The issue that got all of the attention when the final draft was released and voted on first in the House and then again today in the Senate and passing was that the bill strips out or put into law, I should say, for the first time, protections for minors, for children, military kids, from taxpayer-funded gender transition procedures. Wow.
SPEAKER 15 :
Yeah, that's huge.
SPEAKER 12 :
It is.
SPEAKER 15 :
That's a biggie.
SPEAKER 12 :
Yeah.
SPEAKER 15 :
Explain why this is so huge. In fact, say it again and then tell us why this is so important.
SPEAKER 12 :
Yeah, so for the first time in federal statute, there will be some protection for some minors, children, from gender transition procedures that are paid for by taxpayers. And this focuses on the military, and so this applies to military family kids. taxpayers will not be paying for surgeries, for cross-sex hormones, for puberty blockers that unnaturally delay puberty in minors beyond the point at which puberty would naturally occur. And this is important because this is an issue that FRC and our allies all across the country have been fighting for for about seven or eight years, first at the state level and now at the federal level. And this is the first time, this is the first bill of its kind to protect minors from gender transition procedures.
SPEAKER 15 :
Yeah. So let me underscore that this is the first time. So that means we now have precedent of defending children. And also, I go back to what you said earlier. This is a must pass bill. So now it's going to the president's desk. So more or less, he's got to sign this thing or else he's got mud all over his face by not funding the military. So you expect him to sign it, don't you?
SPEAKER 12 :
Yes, I believe that Joe Biden will be the first president to sign protections for minors. I don't believe he'll be the last, but he'll be the first.
SPEAKER 15 :
Wow, that's amazing. So why did Democrats backtrack on all of this? You've been on the Hill. What's kind of been the battleground on all of this?
SPEAKER 12 :
Yeah, the conversation about this really started earlier this year during this long election year that I'm sure most of us are glad is finally over. So during the election, Democrats really highlighted this issue of gender ideology and pushing gender identity, including gender ideology as it impacts children. and painted those on the right as bigots. And amazingly, after the election, right after Kamala Harris's loss in the presidential election, several, two prominent Democrats came out on the Hill and said that they blamed the election, at least in part, on the left's radical dedication to gender ideology. They felt that the party had gotten out of step, radically out of step, with the American people on this. There was an effort today to try to attach an amendment to the bill that would have taken that language out and sent it back to the House. That failed. It failed in large part because even Democrat leadership in the Senate, where they control the Senate, realized that this is a losing proposition for them and a losing issue. And so they just went around that amendment. They did not attach it. They sent the bill on to the president for his signature.
SPEAKER 15 :
So overall, a scale of one to ten, ten being fantastic, one being horrible. Where does this in the AA stand? I mean, overall, it sounds like we had some pretty significant wins in this.
SPEAKER 12 :
Well, viewers and listeners could be forgiven for having whiplash, but we're living in a sort of moment right now where we have to recognize that this particular bill is was negotiated between the Republican-led House, the Senate, the Democrat-led Senate, and Joe Biden. So two out of three of those people at the table were pushing for all of these issues to be attached. So the fact that they were not attached in my book is a major win.
SPEAKER 15 :
Yeah, major win. I agree with you. I'm just I'm elated while we're talking. And of course, this passed just a little while ago. So it seemed like yet another one of those things that it passes while people are trying to throw stuff on it and attach other stuff to it while it's in process. So this really is some encouraging news that you're sharing. Less than a minute left. Are there any other concerns about this or we feel good with it?
SPEAKER 12 :
I'm very happy with where this year's NDAA passed. Next year's NDAA will be passed by a Republican House and a Republican Senate and signed by a Republican president. And that'll be very exciting to see. And we'll be working hard to make sure that conservative principles are further enshrined in that bill.
SPEAKER 15 :
Thank you so much, Kena Gonzalez, FRC's Senior Director of Government Affairs. Appreciate so much you joining us on Washington Watch. God bless you. All right, friends, don't go anywhere. My good friend Congressman Andy Biggs and some other representatives are going to be joining me in just a few moments to preview the kind of a shakeup, a new look that's going to be taking place in the House Oversight Committee. You don't want to miss how this is shaping up. We'll cover it all right after this break. Stay tuned.
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SPEAKER 15 :
good afternoon welcome back to washington watch i'm your host jody heist sitting in today for tony and uh so grateful to have you on board with us all as well all right we all know by now politics often feels like a battlefield and it often is and democratic congressman jerry conley has himself who's a democrat he's made it clear he recently made a declaration if you will that this is going to be trench warfare. Now what he's referring to, he recently was made the ranking member of the House Oversight and Accountability Committee. He defeated in that race Congresswoman Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez. And so now he's going to be the lead of the Oversight Committee. And so when he talks about trench warfare, uh look as it seems obvious to me he intends to be digging in to counter republican-led efforts trump-led efforts and he's going to do so with great discipline and great focus so what does all this battle talk mean for the committee's priorities and the broader political landscape well joining me now to discuss this is several representatives congressman andy biggs from arizona His colleague there, Eli Crane from Arizona, Bob Good from Virginia, and Matt Rosendale from Montana. I want to start, Congressman Biggs, I want to thank each of you. Thank you for joining me. It's great to see each of you, dear friends, great leaders. Thank you, all of you, for joining us on Washington Watch. Yeah, thanks, Joe.
SPEAKER 14 :
Glad to be with you.
SPEAKER 15 :
Let me start, Congressman Biggs, with you. Here we have Congressman Conley describing the upcoming session of Congress as trench warfare. So what do you draw from that, and what is it going to mean for Republicans, not only on the committee there in oversight, but more broadly?
SPEAKER 14 :
Well, so you were on oversight, and I'm on oversight, and now Eli's going to be on oversight. Jerry's going to use every procedural tool he can to slow down whatever we're trying to do to accomplish the Make America First agenda. That's what he's going to do. That's what he's talking about. And that means that he's going to try to adjourn meetings. He's going to try to put a speed stick down. He's going to make sure everybody on his side talks for five minutes. to try to make it painful for us to enact our policies. That's what he's going to do. And then his side is going to really try to use the floor rules to stall bills and prevent us from accomplishing what we want to. It's a procedural tactic. We did a few of those things ourselves, Jody, you and I, and my colleagues that are here with me, Matt and Eli and Bob. But the reality is we're going to be ready for them.
SPEAKER 15 :
Yeah. And listen, it is war. And I don't know of any four gentlemen I'd rather be in the trench with than you four right there. Right beside you, Matt Rosendale, Montana. What do you make of Congresswoman Cortez and losing this? What does that say about where the Democrats are right now?
SPEAKER 16 :
I think that they did some serious analysis and started trying to figure who is going to be the best representative, the best person who can articulate their message, who can try to advance their agenda, is best equipped to stop our agenda. And it didn't take them long to figure out that Ms. Cortez is not the person who's going to be able to do that. We're starting to see a lot of the committee chairs or rankers have some shifting around, and some of the more radical leftists, the self-declared socialists of the Democrat Party, are not able to obtain those high-ranking positions.
SPEAKER 15 :
Well, it is a statement. I think there's certainly there's a battle going on within the Democratic Party, too. Eli Crane, let me ask you, what kind of effect do you think Conley's win is potentially going to have on the committee as a whole?
SPEAKER 05 :
Well, thanks for having me, Jody. As a freshman, you know, I haven't been on that committee, so I don't know Mr. Conley. All I know is I'm excited to serve on the committee and bring a You know, a little bit more backbone to the committee. I'm looking forward to it.
SPEAKER 15 :
Well, trust me, with those of us who have served with Conley, we know that you will get to know him in very short order. So Godspeed with you on that. Let me jump over to Congressman Good. Your thoughts on that. What kind of impact do you think Conley's new position might have on the oversight committee?
SPEAKER 13 :
Well, if anybody understands true trench-like warfare, it's Eli Crane. So he's going to do a great job.
SPEAKER 15 :
That's very true.
SPEAKER 13 :
He understands it in a literal way that most of us do not. But, you know, the Democrats didn't get the memo on November 5. And they don't understand that it wasn't about the candidate. It wasn't about the previous candidate who they threw off Biden to replace him with Kamala Harris. It's not about the messaging or the turnout. The American people don't want their radical agenda. But I hope Jerry Connolly making this statement sends a message to Republicans across our conference that we are truly at war. This is political warfare. The future of the country is at stake. And I hope Republicans bring their guns to this battle.
SPEAKER 15 :
Well, I think they most definitely, you guys have a lot on your plate. And I know he was just diagnosed. I was kind of shocked that he got this position. He was just diagnosed about a month ago with cancer. In fact, I reached out to him, texted him and Let them know I'm praying for them. We texted back and forth, even though we're on strongly different sides of the aisle, just trying to kind of nudge them in the right direction, I guess, because we butted heads. Our horns locked a lot of times. I just want to say thank you to you four warriors here, Bob Good from Virginia, Matt Rosendale, Montana, Andy Biggs from Arizona, and Eli Crane, Arizona. You guys are dear friends, great champions. Thank you for coming on Washington Watch. And Bob, I know you're not going to be there next go-round, but the three of you, the others of you, as you serve on oversight, go get them, have fun, and stand for all of us. We're all counting for you and praying for you. God bless you. Merry Christmas to each of you.
SPEAKER 14 :
And to Didi as well. And God bless you. By the way, Matt, he's leaving Congress too.
SPEAKER 15 :
Matt is leaving as well. That's right. That's right. Wow. Love you guys. Thank you for joining us. All right. After the break, Dr. A.J. Nolte, Director of the Institute for Israel Studies at Regent University, will be joining me. A lot of news breaking in the Middle East. Stay tuned.
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SPEAKER 08 :
Jody, it's great to be here and glad to be back with you discussing these important issues.
SPEAKER 15 :
Yeah, we were on yesterday, and I apologize. We had to end our discussion quickly because I had a member of Congress who was calling in with an update on a classified briefing that he was a part of yesterday regarding the drone situation. So you and I, our conversation was cut short. So let's continue that discussion. Negotiations for a ceasefire and hostage release, they've been described by some as cautiously optimistic. Okay, so let's start on that premise. What are the primary obstacles to reaching an agreement quickly? Are you likewise optimistic? Where does this stand as it appears right now?
SPEAKER 08 :
I would say the primary obstacles to reaching an agreement that we've seen since the beginning of the war are two things. One, for Israel, the destruction of the military and political capabilities of Hamas in Gaza was a necessary war aim. And so Israel has these two war aims. One is to recover the hostages. The other is to destroy Hamas's capability to ever do October 7th again, which for Israel means destroying their hostages. capacity to be the political and military authorities in Gaza, see them removed, and essentially put some sort of military and governing capacity in Gaza that is not likely to conduct terrorism against Israel in the long run. I think that's the goal, right? So here's the problem with that. And this has always been the challenge the Israelis have faced since the beginning. For Hamas, those hostages were a trump card that they could use to preserve their own survival, and that they were hoping to use to preserve their ability to continue to govern and be the primary military force in Gaza. And so they put Israel in a position where it has constantly had to choose between getting the hostages back, and achieving its war aim of preventing future hostage-shaking and future terrorism. So this is a very, very difficult situation. Add this to the fact that in Jewish thought and Jewish law, the redemption of Jewish hostages that are being held, particularly in horrible captivity by anti-Semites, is a primary moral objective. It's very important in Jewish law and Jewish thought. And so this is a particularly acute challenge and difficulty for Israel. And it was a difficulty that was created by Yahya Senwar because he got out of prison during a deal to release an Israeli soldier, Gilad Shalit, who had been held captive. He was one of the prisoners that was released in that hostage deal. So he knows what he's doing. He set this up as sort of a deliberate trap for Israel. And it's been challenging. The reason why people are optimistic now, frankly, is that circumstances have changed on the ground. Hamas has lost most of its outside backing. The so-called ring of fire that Iran had created around Israel is gone. And I think one of the death blows was that Hezbollah, which had on October 8th started attacking Israel as part of the ceasefire. And people have often wondered, why would Netanyahu agree to a ceasefire in the conflict in Lebanon? Well, part of that ceasefire is Hezbollah essentially is out of the war with Hamas. They have decoupled. They've said, we are no longer going to fight until Hamas, until there's a ceasefire in Gaza. We're done. And so Hamas' allies are crumbling around them. Sinwar, of course, is dead. And so I think The leadership in Hamas at this point is trying to get whatever deal they can. And then, of course, you also have the rhetoric of President Trump, which I do think is a significant factor here. Because President Trump understands in the Middle East you have to project strength. And his comment, unspecified hell will be paid if these hostages are not freed by the time that I'm inaugurated, You know, I think Hamas is hearing that and is realizing that this is the guy who killed Qasem Soleimani, the head of the Iranian Revolutionary Guards Corps, at the end of his term last time. And so this is not a guy who makes idle threats like that. So I think all of these factors have put Hamas in a position where they want to try to get some sort of deal, the best deal that they can.
SPEAKER 15 :
Yeah, you wrap that together powerfully. And this has been an amazing tightrope that Israel has walked, trying to save the hostages while at the same time destroying their enemy. And now it is interesting to me, and what you just brought up with Trump, that's really a good point, because I'm kind of curious what role American diplomacy plays is playing right now to secure a deal. It seems as though the Biden and Trump teams are at least reportedly collaborating right now. And so what role is America having apart from perhaps Trump and his comments that you just referenced in diplomatic attempts?
SPEAKER 08 :
Let me add one other factor in terms of complicating factor for Israel, and that is there's a particularly complicating factor for Netanyahu himself. Because on the one hand, there's been immense pressure from hostage families to get a hostage deal, and many of them are saying, we want a hostage deal at all costs. And those are some of the most prominent voices. And I think that's a perfectly understandable position for them to take to their family members, and we can all sympathize with that on a gut level. On the other hand, Netanyahu sees Iran as the proximate threat, and he wants to deal with that threat. And I think he wants to have his legacy be having dealt with that. And then on the third hand, there are members of his coalition that don't want to see any kind of deal because they're primarily concerned with Hamas. and, you know, crushing the situation in Gaza. So it's a very complicated calculus for Netanyahu as well. And because of the bizarre political situation in Israel, bizarre from an American perspective, of course, the Israelis would think it's normal, but it's a very complicated internal balancing dynamic that he's got. And that complicates things. Now, on the U.S. side, on the U.S. side, I think you're right that both Trump and Biden have the same goal. And their goal is Israel has a right to defend itself. Israel wants to get the hostages back. But I think this is an area where we see a fundamentally different understanding of the Middle East between the Trump and the Biden teams. The Biden team sees the best way to get to a deal is by Israel not rocking the boat and sort of not escalating. And their thought is any escalation by Israel could lead to a situation where more hostages die. And indeed, to be fair to that perspective, there's some evidence that there have been some hostages that may have been killed in the past because the IDF was getting close to them. So that's not a totally unreasonable position, but it is a position that complicates things for the Israelis. Trump, I think, is more of a belief that at all costs projects strength. and that you project strength, you stand behind your allies. And he is going to much more want to put pressure on Hamas by saying, look, if you don't do this, there are going to be severe consequences. And we could think in particular of the way Trump told that story in the debate about making a very personal threat to the leader of the Taliban forces in Afghanistan about consequences that were going to happen to that man, you know, with pictures attached. if any U.S. service members were killed. And so it's a very different approach. It's a very different tone. And I think that Netanyahu will probably find it easier to work with the Trump administration because I think he shares more of that strength-focused idea about how to project power effectively in the Middle East.
SPEAKER 15 :
Yeah, I think you're very correct in that assessment. So what about Turkey? I mean, we have Turkey's military interventions in northern Syria, mounting tensions with the Kurdish forces. How is all this reality going to influence the broader dynamics surrounding the entire Middle East?
SPEAKER 08 :
I think that's really good and a very good question and it brings into focus another pivot point which is related to this whole thing which is Syria. Why is Syria a pivot point? Because the simplest way of describing what just happened in Syria is Iran lost Turkey won, and Israel is somewhere between a win and a draw. So Iran lost. Assad was Iran's proxy. Russia also lost. They were both very much proxies of Syria. Iran, because Syria was the pipeline to support Hezbollah, which is their queen on the chessboard, if you look at the Middle East as a chessboard. Hezbollah for Iran was the queen, because it's a Shia power that allows them to attack Israel. Syria was a vector that they used to both protect the queen and also get supplies to them. Russia had warm water ports in Syria. That looks like it's gone. Turkey has now won. The proxy groups that are often either Al-Qaeda-linked explicitly or descended from Al-Qaeda slash some Muslim Brotherhood forces in Syria, those were heavily backed by the Turks. And so Turkey now looks like it's the primary actor. And so as we turn the focus to Israel for a second, certainly Iran is a dangerous, immediate threat. Turkey is not as immediate of a threat. They're not going to take as immediate direct action against Israel, nor do I think that their government that they're backing in Syria is going to take immediate actions to sort of, for example, purge minorities, which I know a lot of people have been concerned about. But Turkey is dangerous in the long run because they have a long-term regional strategy. And Erdogan has been very clear that he sees himself as bringing back the dominance of the region that Turkey had during the Ottoman Empire. And if you look more deeply into some of the propaganda that's going on in Turkey, which is a side interest of mine and research that I've done in the past, what you'll actually find is that Erdogan's narrative is that the collapse of the Ottoman Empire was a tragedy. And one of the primary actors that he blames as responsible for this is Zionism. And the Zionists he sees as having undermined the Ottoman Empire and led to the destruction of the Ottoman Empire. And so he wants to sort of restore that Ottoman sphere. So long term, Turkey is quite dangerous because they will have as a Sunni power legitimacy with many actors in the Middle East that Iran simply couldn't have. And so I do think this is a short-term, potentially a win for Israel. But also the instability makes them nervous. They kind of knew how to deal with Assad. The Assad regime was horrific, don't get me wrong. But the Israelis, for their own personal security, they knew how to deal with them. They're a little uncertain. And Turkey has not always been a positive actor for Israel. So I think there's a lot of concerns that this raises in the long term. Although it's always good to see a genocidal dictator overthrown, I think Israelis are looking at it with a little bit of wariness. And that has prompted some of the actions they've taken recently.
SPEAKER 15 :
Yeah, no doubt. And questionably, I get it. But Turkey being a NATO ally, I mean, that kind of complicates things as well. But we all know that Iran played a significant role in the attacks. And we also know that the Biden administration released some $6 billion or whatever to the Iranians. So is this yet another failure of leadership, in your opinion, or is this... from the Biden administration, or is this a slap in the face to Israel?
SPEAKER 08 :
I think that There's probably no area of Middle East policy where I'm going to be more critical of Joe Biden personally and of his administration than Iran policy. And I think I've said this to Tony in the past or on some other media hits. You can go back to right after 9-11, there's an article from the New Republic in October of 2001 called Rhetorical Question, which of course is about Biden, which is just a great title. But in that, he muses about the possibility of giving millions of dollars to Iran after 9-11 because they're a Sunni or they're a Shia country and Al-Qaeda's Sunni. And, you know, of course, they never worked together. We know now that's false, that Iran did cooperate with Al-Qaeda strategically when they thought it was in their benefit, even though they were fighting in other areas. So he's just not been good on Iran for a long time. The Biden administration was very bad on Iran in a number of different ways, in some ways following after the Obama legacy on Iran, which was terrible, and in some ways even intensifying it. Contrast that with the Trump administration, which was very strong, and it looks like they're going to be strong again. A little inside baseball for your listeners, and this is a smart audience that will appreciate this. So if you look at the Trump transition, one of the guys who was a point person for foreign policy is a man named Brian Hook. And Brian Hook, from what I'm given to understand, was a key actor in a lot of the first term anti-Iran sanctions policies and the maximum pressure campaign. And so that was a signal. And a lot of the appointments that Trump has made since then, has announced since then, have been a signal that he's going to go back to that maximum pressure campaign with Iran. And that's a good thing.
SPEAKER 15 :
It is a good thing. Wow. Dr. A.J. Nolte, Director of the Institute for Israel Studies at Regent University. Always fascinating discussion whenever you're on Washington Watch with us. Thank you so much for your graciousness to come back on the program last night after we had to be cut short yesterday. I appreciate it so much. God bless you. Merry Christmas to you.
SPEAKER 08 :
Absolutely. Thank you. Merry Christmas.
SPEAKER 15 :
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In this deeply insightful episode of Retirement Unpacked, host Al Smith is joined by Stephanie Periucci, co-author of 'Sound the Alarm,' a groundbreaking book that sheds light on the tragic events that unfolded in Maui in August 2023. Stephanie shares her personal journey towards uncovering the truth about the fire that ravaged Lahaina, driven by stories from survivors and resistance against media censorship. Together, they delve into the controversial aspects of weather manipulation, misinformation, and the systemic hurdles faced by those seeking justice.
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Welcome to another program of Retirement Unpacked. I want to thank you for tuning in. And everyone who's listening, I want to wish you a very, very Merry Christmas. And if you are not quite on track or if you have some concerns, if you're saving enough money for retirement, give my office a call and come in. We can have a conversation. 303-744-1128. This afternoon we're in for a very special treat because Stephanie Periucci, who is one of the authors of the book Sound the Alarm, which has to do with the concern we all have for what took place in Maui in August of 2023. It was a really ugly event. Stephanie, are you here with us?
SPEAKER 03 :
You bet. I sure am. Thank you so much for having me, Al.
SPEAKER 04 :
Well, I'm blessed to have you on here because this is a monumental task, letting everyone know what took place in August of 2023. But first, I want to ask you, what caused you to be concerned to write the book in the first place? I know you're one of three authors. I read about also Tracy Derwin and Shane Buell.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah, that's a great question, Al. Thank you. I actually had somebody, a friend of mine who barely escaped the fire, and she was caught in what we refer to as the human rotisserie on Front Street. What they were doing is they were not letting anybody escape. north people were getting routed back into the fire where they died and i said you know i've been working already for three years at that time with the medical freedom community and a lot of what we're doing to try to sound the alarm which is the title of my book is getting censored by big tech so i knew we needed to get citizen journalists and people with drones and the community involved to find out what was happening because it wasn't going to get written online.
SPEAKER 04 :
No, certainly not. With all the pushback, it's kind of like the pushback we had during COVID. If anyone tried to point out that maybe the masks weren't helping or maybe the vaccine isn't necessarily the best idea, it was very difficult to be heard. What would you say was your biggest hurdle along with the hurdles that Tracy and also Shane encountered when you tried to gather information? Did that become extremely difficult?
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah, it did become difficult because a lot of what was being posted and shared by citizens and survivors was getting censored. In addition to that, we did receive some threats from people in the community who had for all intents and purposes been gaslighted into believing it was a natural fire that was caused by either the electric company because of the power lines, or there were actually people who told me, looked me in the eye when I sat with them in Lahaina outside of the burn zone and told me that the plastic straw that I was drinking out of for my latte was what caused the fire. So there was a lot of psychological manipulation of the people to believe that climate change and their carbon footprint destroyed their community.
SPEAKER 04 :
Boy, that's quite a stretch. Did they say the same things about all the fires they've had in California?
SPEAKER 03 :
You know, it's surprising how many people are awake to what's going on. We go back to 1947. That's the first time that we took a hurricane, seeded the clouds essentially with dry ice, and the hurricane changed direction. It was heading north, and it went due west after we seeded those clouds. That was back in 1947. So we've had the power and the patents and the technology to manipulate weather for a very long time. And because of Maui, Paradise, California, Hurricane Helene, Milton, Otis and John, people are now waking up and it's becoming very common knowledge that we have weapons that can manipulate weather to essentially destroy communities so that states and counties can take over that land.
SPEAKER 04 :
Well, that is really spooky, but in reading your book and doing a little research that I did, the mechanisms, scientific mechanisms that we have to seed clouds and to cause changes in the weather. Most people don't really think about that. They just think about the weatherman saying there's a 40% chance of this or a 60% chance of that. And if they're way off base, then that's the only job you can have and be right a modest percentage of the time and still keep your job.
SPEAKER 03 :
You know, I saw today a content creator A former actor and comedian named Russell Brand posted a tweet that said, if you want to know what's happening in the world, all you have to do is listen to mainstream media and then believe that the opposite must be true.
SPEAKER 04 :
Oh, he's the British guy that used to be married to Katy Perry. Yeah, exactly. And he is an outspoken Brit. I'm wondering if he gets censored also when he tries to say something that's contrary to some of the powers that be.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah, I mean, when he and other authors of mine were censored, a lot of them went over to Rumble as opposed to YouTube, where they could create content a little more freely. A lot of my authors, I worked with Dr. Vladimir Zelenko, Peter McCullough, Dr. Harvey Risch, Senator Frank Lasse, who's still actually canceled everywhere except for X. Most of my highest profile authors understand that if they do not get physical books into people's hands, thanks to people like you highlighting our work, it's not going to get the circulation of some of the, you know, cycle babble and celebrity gossip. It's just an uphill battle to get the truth out there.
SPEAKER 04 :
Well, I can certainly see where it's difficult. Now, you and Tracy and Shane, how were you able to get all those great photographs of some of the devastation that actually took place on Maui? Because from what I heard, they weren't allowing journalists in. And when people tried to investigate, there were police came and kind of shooed them off, if my information is correct.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah, I had access to the burn with a friend of mine who lost a home, a business, and his best friend. So I was able to add some of my images to the book. In addition to that, we give credit to Eric West, who's on YouTube at Hawaii Real Estate. We also give credit, a lot of credit, to the Maui community investigation. This is an organization, grassroots effort, based out of Maui, where they're looking to get a fair, unbiased investigation of the fire. Now, unfortunately, this is going to shock your audiences. The same team that developed the ridiculous pancake theory during 9-11 is an organization called Underwriter Laboratories. They have coincidentally been assigned to do the investigation of the Lahaina fires. And that's where has emerged a scapegoat being Hawaiian Electric. So they were... They were found guilty for power being in the lines which could have fueled the fire. There were no power lines active from what we saw through video and picture evidence. the power lines were not active. However, we knew back in my first book about the fire, which was called Burn Back Better, we knew that Hawaiian Electric was going to be the scapegoat because of all the predictive programming and so on that goes on with the news media.
SPEAKER 04 :
Well, sure, and there had to be something to start the fire, some culprit, so to speak. Now, the parts that I felt were incredibly sad for the folks who lived there is the fact that the alarms didn't go off, and from everything I've read, those were the most significant alarm system on planet Earth, and it was never set off, and also there was no water.
SPEAKER 03 :
And one of the things that we would really like is dispatch report. If we can get dispatch reports, which is high on the list of things we desire for another book and an investigation, that's where we can find out who made the call to route people back into the fire. Who made the call to... Who made the call to not sound the alarms? Once we can reverse engineer and find out who made those decisions, we'll be closer to finding out who's really guilty for this.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah, that has to be an enormous burden on whoever did that, and I can't imagine what they were thinking or who gave the order to the person to give the order, because if it's like a lot of events, it's going to be one person who said they did this because... somebody else told me to kind of thing and then a regular long linkage of responsibility and then it becomes extremely difficult to find out who the real culprit is.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah, exactly. I think what's really tragic is this is a situation where people realize the value of not complying because the firefighters, the policemen, other people involved were members of the community. They were watching their own homes burn in real time because the fire was really not enormous. It was um 2200 structures 2100 acres but it was pretty well concentrated in the town of lahaina which was a residential town 86 percent of what was incinerated was residential homes and it was a working class town. So what people are coming to terms with on the island is the fact that they need to keep their conviction with intelligence and intuition about them and not comply with things that make no sense, such as not sounding an alarm or routing people back into a fire. There were, as you saw, the first couple hundred pages of my new book, Sound the Alarm, we went into the details of all the things that went wrong. And in my first book, I said, was this criminal negligence or was this a crime?
SPEAKER 04 :
Well, there's certainly – I know you're a Christian and I'm a Christian, but I also believe that the word coincidence is not in the Bible. So all of these negative things that took place, I don't think that's any kind of coincidence at all. I think that there was – there was planning behind this and unfortunately those who suffered at the result of the planning are people who are now they're still living in tents and if i understood that right some of the survivors are living in tents while the fema workers are staying at the four seasons did you find that to be true also
SPEAKER 03 :
Well, the survivors were not just in hotels temporarily. That has run out. They're no longer getting any assistance on housing. A lot of them, because insurance adjusters were not allowed into the burn, they were still paying mortgages on homes that had been incinerated. And they weren't getting payouts from insurance companies. So they are paying a mortgage on a house that they will never rebuild. In addition to that, the average two bedroom apartment on Maui is $7,000 a month. We're talking about people who work in construction and tourism. It's an unbelievable, it's an impossible expectation. So the really tragic thing is most people who lost their homes have had to leave the island. There's only so many beaches you can camp and you can't keep a family with four children on a beach in a tent. It's not safe. So a lot of people have left the island, which has destroyed the fabric of that community.
SPEAKER 04 :
And if I understand it right, when I was in high school, I read the book Hawaii and I talked about all the people who settled there. And correct me if I'm wrong, but those in Lahaina, that was the major capital of the Hawaiian Islands before it became a possession of the United States. And we'll talk more about that right after the break.
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SPEAKER 04 :
Welcome back. If you just tuned in, we're talking with Stephanie Periucci, who is one of the authors of Sound the Alarm. It's about the investigation that was done following the fires on Maui, which took place in August 2023. And one of the things we were talking about right before the break is that the history of Maui It used to be like the capital of the Hawaiian Islands before they were a possession of the United States. And so this is sort of like a genocide for the Hawaiian people. Is that an accurate statement there, Stephanie? Stephanie? Stephanie?
SPEAKER 03 :
Sorry, I muted myself during the commercial. Forgive me. So, yeah, that's extremely accurate. This is, by any stretch of the imagination... an inconceivably sacred place to the Hawaiians. And a lot of the homes there, you walk inside and they're like history museums. Things have been passed down, not for one or two generations, but hundreds of years. What was lost is really a lot of the culture and the fabric, not just of Maui, but all the Hawaiian islands. And that's one of the reasons that people were never going to sell their homes. This is a big part of the story. They were so special, just inconceivably valuable to the culture that they weren't going to give them up to build some Disney World or Las Vegas. And so that's where we had another big red flag. The government, the state of Hawaii, just three weeks before the fire declared, they signed an emergency proclamation that actually gave the, it opened the door to what we call like eminent domain, where if there was a disaster, In this bill, and remember, like you said, the Bible never uses the word coincidence. However, this bill, three weeks before the fire, said, if there's a disaster, we can build some sustainable communities in place of anything that might be destroyed in that disaster. So it looked like they were setting up for potentially taking over that land that the locals, clearly with it being very sacred, would never have given up.
SPEAKER 04 :
Boy, that is spooky to say the least. So it sounds like there was an effort to morph Lahaina, the community where the native Hawaiians lived for many of them for generations and generations, morph it into one of these 15-minute cities or something in between Las Vegas and San Francisco or something like that.
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Well, we've been joking around. People want us to distill the book into one sentence. And I'm going, well, you have Burn Back Better, which is 300 pages. You have Sound the Alarm, which is 350 pages. So if you want me to distill 650 pages and just as many sources into one sentence, the only thing I can come up with is this, Las Vegas and Lahaina. The police chief in Maui actually comes from Las Vegas. And here's what's really suspicious. She was not qualified for his job. And in fact, He falsified information on his application in order to take the job. And here's where it gets weirder. He's the same guy who was assigned during the Mandalay Bay shooting in Las Vegas. So this guy's got experience with disasters, that's for sure. I think Mandalay Bay was the largest mass shooting on American soil in a very long time. Yeah, I think forever. Yeah, forever. And the Hawaii police chief also comes from Las Vegas. So there you've got two more highly suspicious smoking guns. Why are they bringing these guys from Vegas to work as police chiefs on the Hawaiian islands? And coincidentally, they drafted a plan for a sustainable community on Kauai. And almost precisely on top of that plan, there was a fire that destroyed land this year in 2024. So we're seeing extremely suspicious activities around places that have been on proposals for sustainable development, what you might call smart city, or a lot of this boils down to U.N., or United Nations infiltration of communities because the SDG goals require the elimination of private property.
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Yeah, the globalists are making headway and we don't even realize it. And they use language that sounds very good because how could anyone be against something that is sustainable? But the word sustainable is sort of like a euphemism for we're going to take away what's been there for years and morph it into something the way we want it to be, which is going to reduce your freedoms.
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Yeah, that's right. It's terrifying. It's not just reducing freedoms like, oh, we're just going to get, you know, a dollar or a minimum basic income. Universal basic income is a big, hot buzzword. Universal basic income requires us to abide by the rules of the state in order to get our income. So everyone's like, oh, that'd be great. We get universal basic income. We don't have to work. We're just going to have all our food and our lodging taken care of us. We can just go ski all day. You know, I live in Aspen and I was actually skiing right before this show. So, um, But the downside of getting dependent on the state is they control everything we do. So currently on Maui, just above Lahaina, they're building these little bitty tiny homes for people who got kicked out of the hotels. One of my investigators was there last night, took pictures. Every single inch of that place is surveilled by these cameras. They look like they're on utility boxes. There's cameras everywhere.
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Like a main street in China or something.
SPEAKER 03 :
Exactly. That's what terrifies me about if you get something for free from the government, it's not free.
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You're going to control your life. You're exactly right. Now, isn't there a community in Saudi Arabia or Dubai or something like that that's about a half a mile wide and 12 miles long that's sort of like a poster child for what they want all these communities to look like?
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Yeah, there's a few of the world. There have been a destination, so to spea called neon. Here's what' neon. They're going to pu in Saudi Arabia on the site of the mountain of Moses or Mount Sinai. There's absolutely no conviction for these sacred holy sites. We are absolutely losing our culture. our sacred lands, and our history to plow them over and create these prison camps for whoever's going to be left after the globalists take away meat and private property and modern luxuries and whatever else they want to do.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah, private property and all the other evils that are going on. Well, Stephanie, we barely scratched the surface of what took place on Maui, but God bless you for what you're doing and uncovering what really took place there and who is really benefiting from the suffering of these Hawaiian folks. God bless everyone for listening. Have a very Merry Christmas. And if you want to have a conversation about your retirement, call my office at 303-744-1128 and let's continue to pray for our brothers and sisters in Israel. Bye now.
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Toyota Land Cruiser - 2024 by John Rush
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All right, we are back, and it's that time of the week where we do our car reviews. Richard, you just drove a 2024 Toyota Land Cruiser, and it's not like the Land Cruisers of old, or maybe it is.
SPEAKER 01 :
Well, I was going to say, there's sort of a play on words here, right? It's not like the Land Cruisers... Of the recent old, right? It's not the ones that they just got rid of. And so for some of you, I guess, buffs or car buffs, we'll call it, right? You're more used to the bigger Land Cruiser, right? The more luxurious one. It had the TVs and all sorts of stuff on it. That is no longer the case. They actually got rid of that for a year, brought this back. But it's not to be confused. This is a midsize SUV, five passengers. It's right between like a 4Runner and a Sequoia, if you're familiar with kind of the truck-based SUVs. There's no longer a V8. It is a V6, and in this case, this was actually the hybrid version of it. I'll kind of get to the details here. Yeah, basically, it's got a 2.4-liter four-cylinder engine with a hybrid system, 326 horsepower. 465 pound-feet of torque. This thing, Dad, is sort of meant to be bought and go out on the road, or I should say off the road in a lot of cases, right? This is meant to do that. And like you said, you are more familiar of the Land Cruisers of, I guess I'm going to call them yesteryear. This much more aligns with that.
SPEAKER 02 :
It does. I mean, yeah, way back in the day with the FJ40s, FJ60s, some of, again, you old car buffs that Richard just mentioned. I remember some of those vehicles from way back when. They were sort of a runoff of the Jeep CJs back in the day. And then the Land Cruisers, of course, came along. And they ran that way for a very long time until they really... I guess I could say, Richard, modernize that platform, and it was very popular around the world, not just here in the U.S., and people would drive those things for half a million miles and not exaggerating and came to love that vehicle. Well, as you said a moment ago, that particular model ended. You can get... How should I say this? You can basically get that vehicle only in a lot more luxurious form on the Lexus end of things, but it is not one of the same. That's, I think, some of the confusion as well. In the past, Richard, you could buy the Land Cruiser or get a little bit fancier Lexus of the same basic vehicle. That is not the case anymore. This is more of that old traditional Land Cruiser style.
SPEAKER 01 :
It is. I mean, it's related to the new Lexus GX in a way, but it's different, right? But it's not, yeah. Because that GX, you can get with a third row and such, and this Land Cruiser, you can't. I'll kind of get into the specifics, and then we'll finish talking about the rest. Three trim levels, Dad, for this model year, 2024, 1958, which is, again, a throwback to kind of the no-nonsense, no-frills origin of the Land Cruiser. The medium edition, literally just called Land Cruiser, or the first edition, which is, you know, sort of... well, it's what it sounds like, right? It's kind of a special one. You can get some different things on it. You can spruce this vehicle up. The one we drove was not spruced up, right? It had cloth seats. It had, honestly, heck, it didn't even have a power driver's seat. I'm manually pumping myself up if I wanted to sit higher or lower myself down or scoot forward, whatever it might be there. It does have some things as far as dual-zone climate, but if you And it's got a smaller center screen. Again, we drove the 1958 edition, I want to specify there, which, again, is supposed to be an ode to the older generation. As it sat, Dad, again, not a whole lot of options on it. As it sat, $60,790, which, again, you have to be the judge of it. I will say this. At our altitude, and I think off-road, which we didn't get a chance to take it and we're even limited in what we can or can't do, This vehicle ran really well up here at our altitude, Dad, with the I-Force Max technology underneath the hood. This thing got up and went. It went when you wanted it to. Some people argue that the braking was a little bit subpar, but what I would say, Dad, is it's still a big SUV. I mean, this is not a small car by any stretch of the imagination. So, again, it's not meant to be a little sports car that's going to be able to slam on the brakes in that sense. But they've done a nice job at allowing for some upgrades if you want to, depending on what you're looking for. This particular model had a roof rack, had some rock rails on it. In terms of styling, Dad, it's not like the Land Cruisers of yesteryear. It's more modernized. Correct. It is. It's got some sleek, a little bit boxy. Again, folks, if you've seen the new... Lexus GX is running around, you've seen it. But this is not the Land Cruiser of the outgoing model, Dad. And that's not to say it's a bad thing. And like you say, sort of an ode, and a lot of people are going to know this car, your Land Cruisers from many years ago. That's kind of where they want to get back to, right? They want this thing to be the do-it-all car for you, the do-it-all SUV, right? You can take the kids to school and you can go off-road. You can take this thing camping. You can tow your camper, depending on how you want to do it. It really is meant to be that sport utility vehicle, right? The SUV. It's really meant to do that in a lot of cases. And so I think they've done a nice job on it. My only, honestly, nitpick, Dad, is just for the 1958, you're paying $60,000 for a car, and you don't get any of the frills that I mentioned.
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Got it.
SPEAKER 01 :
But that's just a personal experience, right? That's more of my personal opinion. Some of you, Dad, and some of your listeners may say, hey, when I'm off-road and I'm doing some of this other stuff, I don't want to mess with any of that, right? I don't want to have the risk of my seat not working because I get some water in it or whatever it might be. So outside of that, very comfortable, quiet. The roof rack did add a little bit of wind noise driving down the road, but that's to be expected pretty much on any vehicle when you start adding noise. some additional accessories, Dad, as far as that goes. Overall, was really pleased with it. Fuel economy, let me get that for folks really quick, was an average of 23. And again, this is partly, it's a heavy vehicle, Dad, but due to that hybrid technology where you can actually hear and feel the engine, shut off at times. 22 city, 25 highway. And again, we were actually right there about 23, 24 miles per gallon. So for folks that want to learn more, they're starting to get some leads on the dealership data. I've seen several of them driving around town. They are out there. We encourage folks to get out as we always do test drive it because what we think that and what we like or don't like, someone may differ completely from that. And so that's why we encourage you to get out to your Toyota dealership and let them know that John and Richard Rush from Drive Radio and Rush to Reason sent you.
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This is John Rush from Rush to Reason and Drive Radio. Thank you so much for listening. Check out more of our podcasts at RushToReason.com or Drive-Radio.com.
Bill's wealth of experience is on full display as he delves into the historical evolution of NASDAQ, illustrating its journey from a fledgling tech-leaning exchange to a powerhouse of innovation, technology, and transformative growth. He candidly recalls past market crashes as lessons in valuation vigilance and discusses the present overvaluations that echo the past while highlighting the robust earnings seen today. Furthermore, Bill brings attention to geo-economic tensions, particularly between the U.S. and China, as well as the strategic struggles of auto giants like Nissan and Honda as they navigate an ever-changing industry landscape. This episode offers a rich tapestry of market anecdotes and strategic insights for informed investing.
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Here is Professional Money Manager, Bill Gunderson.
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And welcome to the Wednesday. It is the midweek Fed Decision Day version of the Best Stocks Now show with professional money manager Bill Gunderson, president of Gunderson Capital Management, coming to you live. From Times Square, we'll be headed over to the NASDAQ here in a couple of hours. The Dow, the market's a little quiet today, which is pretty typical for a Fed decision day, although I don't think there's any question that they will. Give us that 25 basis point cut. It's just a matter of what they say after that, probably. How many cuts next year are we going to get? Well, the Dow right now is up a little bit. The Dow is up 30 basis points. The Dow is at 43,574, trying to break a nine-day losing streak on the Dow. A lot of that's been UnitedHealthcare. Ever since that CEO was murdered, that has not helped UnitedHealthcare. It's up five points. I did notice that NVIDIA is having a good day. And over at the S&P, we're up five points. It's up 55 points.
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And it sounds like we've got a little technical difficulty with Bill. We'll get him back in just a moment. But we've got the Dow up, trying to beat its nine-day losing streak that we've got going. But it's in the green today, up 0.3% at 43,581. We've got the S&P up a little over just five points, pretty much flat on the day in the NASDAQ. It started up a little higher, but at the moment it's basically dead flat as well, up three points at the moment. We've got crude oil just over $70 a barrel, up 1% today. Gold and Bitcoin, the digital version, I guess, both are down at the moment. Gold down 0.4%, and Bitcoin down 2.42%. Again, welcome to today's Wednesday, the December 18th edition of the Best Docs Now show. We host Barry Kite at the moment. We'll get Bill joining us here back in a second. We're having some technical difficulties in the big city of New York, so he'll be back on with us in a moment. Looking at yesterday, we had the Dow. Saw a bunch of stories in terms of where the Dow is. The Dow, I guess, is down just about nine days in a row that we've had that losing streak. It's pretty interesting since we've had, I think, at least one or maybe two all-time highs in the S&P during that span. Certainly hit an all-time high with the NASDAQ. during that span as well and so uh you know it kind of went under the radar almost didn't my wife came home yesterday and was like i gotta gotta note that the uh dallas had its you know biggest losing streak since 1978 or something of that nature and i was like okay your news sources oh we got them back hey bill all right yeah you know there's
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We're battling for bandwidth here in Times Square where it's a lot of people in a small area. What can I say? And every ilk just about out there on the street. You know, let's take a look here. Today is the day, right, that we're going to get the Fed decision and that we are expecting 25 basis points. Then they're going to be all about How much are you going to give us next year? Are you going to give us three? Are you going to give us four? Well, you know, I guess, Barry, that's why I like to look at individual stocks on a daily basis. I think sometimes if you're just up there at the top looking down, you know, you get caught up in the rest of what Wall Street is worried about. I'm looking at my holdings and looking for opportunities, et cetera. You know, I got to say... We had an account transfer in today. You know, all of a sudden I saw like 20 new stocks show up. And guess what? I saw Kimberly-Clark. I saw Procter & Gamble. I saw all the usual suspects. A lot of very dull utilities, you know, that haven't gone anywhere in years. So anyways, that's just the way Wall Street does things around here. That's been my experience. Now, I've been coming back here to New York since I first got into the business. In the early days, back in 2000, the mutual funds were the ones that had all the money, Barry. And now it's the ETFs, I guess, that have all the money. But along the way, they've really cut the expense budgets. I think the SEC stepped in. Remember those 12B1 fees? that allowed the mutual funds to charge investors in their funds advertising expenses and taking care of the brokers and whatnot. And they finally cut that out. But in the day, I mean, they put us up in the Plaza Hotel for several days, and we went to the finest steak houses. It's not quite like that anymore, but there is still a lot of – activity that goes on back here in the way of trying to make guys like us aware of different products and whatnot. Okay, how did you see the quantum computing stocks again yesterday? QUBT was up 51% yesterday. Rigatoni, oh, not Rigatoni, Rigetti, Rigetti Computing was up 32%. IONQ was up 5%. uh some of these meteoric rises among quantum computing stocks i think it's a fad right now i think it's going to be short term i think you got to be very careful and i kind of handle this more as a uh a trading opportunity right i mean yes there's money being spent on quantum and it is all the rage right now and there's only about four or five stocks in the center of all of this and Amazon lit the fire about two weeks ago. But I think you've got to be really, really careful here. I don't see these as long-term investments, at least now, maybe someday down the road. But I'm sure, Barry, you've seen plenty of fads. come along in the markets over the years.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah, a bunch of different ways to get to, a lot of times, to a similar place. It's just sometimes some place might charge more inside that mutual fund wrapper to get there. I saw that list come in this morning, too, and I was waiting for your message. And, of course... You sent a text out and said, whoa, where did this stuff come from? Thankfully, we have the opportunity to see a lot of those kind of stodgy names that end up in these portfolios, which gives us kind of a different perspective sometimes on the industry as a whole.
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And you're in the heart of that industry today. I trim the garden, you know, the first thing I do is get rid of those weeds that are clogging up the portfolio. Now, back to this quantum computing just for a minute. I call that hot money. You know, the hot money moves around, chases this fad, chases that fad. AI obviously has been on the receiving end of a lot of hot money. Believe it or not, the space exploration, you know, Rocket Labs and others, they've been on the receiving end of a lot of hot money. And the hot money does move around. I don't consider that to be really investable. Some cases it is. But in other cases, you know, it provides trading opportunities. And the app actually comes in very, very handy as far as finding where the hot money is. and new companies that are on the receiving end of that hot money. And I kind of look at this quantum computing as hot money right now. Okay, China continues to be a big story. The Biden administration plans to investigate Chinese semiconductors. Of course, they're investigating NVIDIA. And, you know, this Cold War basically has Taiwan in the middle, and it has the chips. It has the semiconductors in the middle of the Cold War between us and China. We're mulling a ban on China TP-Link routers, which we use here in the U.S. There's holes in those that allows them to spy on us. And so we continue to fight China in a lot of ways. And, of course, China is fighting their own country, their own selves with their economy right now. But you always have to keep that in the back of your mind, is that situation in Taiwan and the technology that Taiwan has as it relates to semiconductors that China sure would like to get their hands on. You know, we remember Hong Kong, how it just kind of disappeared over a couple of months, and now you hardly ever hear about Hong Kong anymore as China took it over. We'll be right back. and welcome back here to the second quarter of the best thoughts now show well after the show a little bit after this show i headed over with my wife to uh the nasdaq headquarters which is just a few blocks away from here and we will be part of the closing bell ceremony at 4 p.m today i have had a long history with the NASDAQ, both good and bad. You know, when I got into the business in 1999, the NASDAQ was roaring as tech was really starting to take hold. And it ran up to 5,300 by March of 2000 and then went on quite a sell-off of 79%. But if you go back further than that, it's now taken the NASDAQ, it took the NASDAQ 49 years to get to 10,000. The first trade on the NASDAQ, the first close above 100 points, was back on February 5, 1971. Where were you in 1971? I think I was in the 6th or 7th grade around that point in time. Actually, no, junior high school.
SPEAKER 03 :
I don't have an answer for that one.
SPEAKER 04 :
No, you don't have an answer, but that was the very first close at 100 points. Okay. And, of course, the NASDAQ has always leaned very heavily towards technology, and yet Wall Street still pretty much has the same recipe, it seems like. And, by the way, Barry, as I was going through our holdings today, there it was, Procter & Gamble in the portfolio that came over. They've been using the same recipe for the last 35 years, it would seem like, the big Wall Street firms. But I have always found the NASDAQ to be a lot more innovative. Now, it took 49 years for it to get to 10,000. To get the next 10,000 to hit 20,000, which it did this past week, it only took four and a half years. I think you call that quantum, right? Quantum computing, they're a big advance, which is the powerful nature of the advancement in technology today. And the dominant role in our lives today. Okay. From 1971 to 1991, uh, it settled at 500. So it went up four or five fold in 20 years from 1971 to 1991. And I'm thinking companies like Intel came along. Microsoft came along. Amazon came along more in the mid-'90s. Apple was in that initial phase. Hewlett-Packard, which was once a powerhouse. Stocks like that were the core, the beginning of the technology revolution that we've seen. Then we saw the NASDAQ close at 1,000 in 1995. a time when the popularity of computers and web browsers were exploding, leading the U.S. into the information age. And if you remember before that, you know, I mean, the only ones that had access to computers were the big IBM computers, and you had to have a direct link to those big mainframes, etc., And then along came the web browsers. Yahoo was one of the very first web browsers coming along and others competing for Ask Jeeves. I remember Ask Jeeves and some other web browsers back then.
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Ask Jeeves, yes.
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And then I remember the PCs coming along. My first PC was a really heavy PC, weighed about 70, 80 pounds. And, you know, I thought I'd died and gone to heaven. In March 10, 2000, I was there. When the NASDAQ peaked at a level just over 5,000 points, 5,300, we didn't know it at the time. I had a sense that something was not quite right. The dot-com bubble burst. And a lot of those people that were around then, you had literally superstars during that period of time. The stars on Wall Street were the technology analysts that were covering the tech stocks. Everybody wanted in to the tech stocks. The NASDAQ was exploding. But then over the next two years, obviously, you had a significant crash of 79%. That's the worst I've seen during my career. And a lot of the people that I worked with at that point in time, they were just gone. They were baristas at Starbucks. They were running, working at golf courses, all kinds of different things. I soldiered on through it all. and had some good mentors that helped and learned a lot about valuations along the way and hung in there and survived. And then you had another peak in 2007, October 31st, when along came the great financial crisis, okay? That was the second worst bear market that I saw. and that took 53% out of the S&P 500. I think the NASDAQ was down about 49 or so. It wasn't hurt as bad as the financial stocks because the NASDAQ does not have as much exposure to the financials. Nowadays it has a little bit more with the fintechs, the PayPals, the squares of the world. And then the NASDAQ finally bottomed, I remember this, March of 2009. Within days, I said a new bull market has been born. And guess what? It hasn't really looked back since then. 15 years. Why? Earnings, earnings, earnings. Earnings have been growing every single year, except for the COVID year. And I think there was one other year in there where it was just down a little bit. We've gone from $66 in earnings to about $230 this year, maybe $250 next year. Then the NASDAQ finally got back to $2,000. That was 2015. It took a long time. Then we closed at $10,000 on June 10, 2020. Despite the COVID-19 panic, we called another bottom in March of 2020, I believe, or was it 20? Yeah, 2020. Almost hit the bottom within a week or two. And then we hit the bottom. On August 24th, we called another bottom in January of 23rd. And then, of course, on December 11th, 54 years after its launch, the NASDAQ hits 20,000. And, you know, the NASDAQ is different. If you go to the Dow, if you go to Wall Street, if you go to the New York Stock Exchange, there's people all over the place on the floor. I don't know what it looks like now. And there was trash everywhere on the floor, torn up tickets and whatnot. It looked like a day at Santa Anita race track, you know, with all the torn up tickets. But the NASDAQ obviously is much more electronic. And I'll have a report from there. I'll be over there in about two hours. All right. When we come back, we'll talk about some individual stocks, including an update on Aquo. a very interesting nuclear stock. This is the Best Stocks Now show. This is Bill Gunderson. Thank you for tuning in to today's Best Stocks Now, Best Inverse Funds Now show. I put several hours of research in during the wee hours of the morning each day to bring you the very best cutting-edge stories that I can. To get two free weeks of my newsletter, go to GundersonCapital.com. To talk to us about our fee-based only money management services, call us at 855-611-BEST. Now, back to the second half of the show.
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Call out the instigator Because there's something in the air
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And welcome back here to the second half of today's Best Docs Now show. Well, I don't think the market's going to make any big commitments here one way or another until that Fed announcement comes in in about four hours from now. In the meantime, the Dow is up 191 points. NVIDIA is helping Dow today. Let me look at NVIDIA real fast. It's having a good day because Microsoft gave an update on how many of those AI chips they bought. They bought a lot of them. They're the biggest buyer of the NVIDIA chips. And NVIDIA is up 4.2% today. That's the best day it's had in quite some time on that Microsoft news. And that is helping the Dow. The NASDAQ is just barely up today. It's up 25%. And the S&P is up 13 points right now. Okay. So, yeah, looking back on the NASDAQ, what a long, strange trip it's been from 100 to over 20,000. And I just think of the advancements in technology, the world that I live in today, the difference between Wall Street when I came back here originally and you know, 25 years ago compared to where we're at today with all the technology. It's really remarkable. We have lived in the information age, and we've seen all of these revolutions, and there are still revolutions taking place in autonomous cars, robotaxis, flying taxis, artificial intelligence, weight loss drugs. et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. Okay, stocks in the news today. How about Nissan and Honda getting together to compete? I mean, they've both fallen on hard times. Now, I remember when Nissan and Honda first came here, really, many years ago, the Japanese invasions. with their cars and trucks really putting a huge dent into our Motown. And now they've kind of fallen on hard times. Nissan was Datsun, Datsun back in the day. And Honda has been a big seller of cars, but it's a tougher world out there. It's tough to compete. And now there's talk of Honda and Nissan getting together to form a joint company.
SPEAKER 03 :
Some pretty ominous words there, too. I heard something where basically they've got the next 14 months are going to determine if they survive, which is pretty ominous when you're looking at Nissan and Honda, right? I mean, drive around...
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A lot of dealerships.
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Right. And you're going to see a lot of those cars on the road, too.
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Yeah. And, of course, you also have Stellantis in big trouble, deep trouble right now. Okay. Roth analysts caution about extreme market optimism going into 2025. Well, you know, going over the history of the NASDAQ, And the two huge stumbles in the market, one was devastating. I mean, the 2000 bursting of the tech bubble, it was devastating. You know, 79%, a $100,000 account became $20,000. A million dollar account became 200,000, which in many, many cases, that was the case. of people that were all in on the NASDAQ. And that's why I have always that stamped on my soul to always be, you know, vigilant and always looking in the rearview mirror. And, you know, really the way you watch that is valuations. Valuations is really the only quantitative analysis. You as a chartered financial analyst, Barry, know that. that valuations do matter, and how much of the CFA course and getting that designation involves valuations on companies and on indexes, Barry?
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Yeah, probably 98%. I mean, there's a very tiny, tiny section on technical analysis, right? But the rest of it is kind of that pure fundamental analysis, whether it's kind of the Graham-Dodd school of years ago, right, which Warren Buffett, of course, took and ran with. But the long-term valuations, P-E ratios, expected P-E ratios, right, You know, what, you know, the apps analysis, right, is taking into account. And then, of course, you know, the other side of that coin is the technical analysis side or momentum. But, yeah, it's a huge portion. And, you know, like you said, eventually, right, while your biggest worry recently has been valuation is, you know, those PEs eventually, right, go down. back towards the mean, right?
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Exactly. And right now we're way above the mean. And, you know, the reason that, you know, I employ technical analysis as the third leg of what I do, valuation, momentum, and technicals, is that's where the trouble starts to show up first is in the technicals. That is your early warning. Now, unless you have a black swan event, there's no warning of that, okay? But obviously, the year 2000, there was plenty of warning from a valuation point of view, and there was technical warning. And back in 2008 and 2009, same thing, and just watching the news headlines. You know, you could just tell that that bubble in the housing market and in the mortgage market in 2008, 2009 was not going to end well. I have the same feeling this time about certain industries in the market. certain vehicles such as Bitcoin. I have that same feeling that I had back in 2000 and I had in 08 and 09. Now, Roth MKM analysts point to the Buffett indicator, which is the S&P 500 to dollar GDP. That has risen to levels only exceeded in 1929 and 1936. Okay, that's going back a ways. There is simply not much room priced into the risk markets if things begin to go wrong. And that's the other thing that you have to worry about. And that's why I watch the weekly jobless claims. We watch the CPI, the PPI, the unemployment. And we watch around the world because we're so connected. And that's why I've been saying, hey, you know, Europe, really weak. China, very weak. You know, different Japan, very weak, weak economies. And, you know, we depend on at least decent economies around the world to sell our goods into. So anyways, all of these come into play. And I'm a guy that is always looking, you know, at these charts and looking for weaknesses. I have seen recently that A lot of topping out action or cooling off action. We had the huge rally after the Trump election. That exploded the valuation ratios. The NASDAQ went up to 35. I want to say it got up to 45 or 50, although we weren't doing forward PEs and PE ratios on the NASDAQ back then. But that's my recollection is that there were a lot of stocks trading at 100 times earnings and 10 times sales, pay ratios of five. So I know that we were a lot higher. We were a lot higher during the dot-com bubble than we are today. The difference is we have real earnings. Yes, exactly. We have better earnings now, which helps, but still. We're at very lofty levels from a valuation point of view. And yet most of these big firms have target prices of $6,500. $7,000 seems to be about the consensus now for next year by the end of the year. Merck enters into the obesity drug race in a pact with the Chinese pharma. That's another area that's really cooled off, the weight loss stocks. But I still think that that's an investment. Okay, that's not a trade. That's an investment in probably the world's biggest health problem, which is obesity. Lilly's Alzheimer Therapy approved in China. I don't see much of a move out of that stock here today. Of course, everything's pretty quiet right now on Wall Street. Salesforce, they seem to be doing okay. CRM, they're in the Dow. They're hiring. How many of those Dow stocks are firing and laying people off? I think of Intel, where Salesforce is hiring. And Salesforce actually looks pretty good right now. They've also got a big product coming up, AI Agents. Maybe I'll hire a few of those, Barry. We'll be right back.
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And welcome back here to the final segment of today's Best Docs Now show.
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with professional money manager Bill Gunderson, president of Gunderson Capital Management, broadcasting live from Manhattan, downtown Manhattan, Times Square. We'll be headed over to the NASDAQ here in about an hour or so. And a lot of interviews taking place over there with our little party here. And I'll let you know, I know I'm going to be on some live broadcast there on, I think, on X. And I'm sure they will be archived. Some stocks that stand out to me today, Uber. Uber having a very good day. I didn't see any news, but there's got to be news there on Uber. We obviously took an Uber from the airport. That's a problem. It took longer, Barry, to get from LaGuardia Airport to our hotel in Times Square, I think, than it took to get from Charleston to New York. Or at least as long. That makes sense. I mean, the traffic is horrendous from the airport, especially this time of year because of the Christmas season and everything. It's a $110 Uber drive. Uh, from there and plus the tip, which, uh, I'm pretty generous guy with the tipping, but Uber's having a good day today up 4.2%. Uh, it's been kind of a battleground stock here recently when GM dropped out of the, uh, of the, the robo taxi race. And that's who Uber happened to be, uh, linked with another one, obviously today and video, which has been a battleground stock here. It's up 4.1% today. on that Microsoft news on how much Microsoft has spent and how many of these chips. I haven't bought any of the chips. I don't have any chips. I don't think I could carry it around. They look too heavy to me, those chips, and they might burn my house down with all that speed. I don't have the air conditioning capacity. Okay, the other one, too, that is also I'm seeing a fresh breakout in ASM lithography today. You remember them? We made a lot of money in that stock, the Dutch manufacturer of lithography systems. And I'm sure they're probably breaking out on that Microsoft news too. You know, it's not like the demand for Nvidia chips have suddenly dropped. You just have to believe that a lot of that was already priced into the stock at some point in time. But we are getting fresh news today that demand remains very strong. for those NVIDIA chips. And, you know, ASM, which got cleared down, it went down 45%. We sold ASM a long time ago. And it went down a lot after we sold it. It finally bottomed at 645. And now it's starting to rally. It's up about 20% over the last four weeks. They still have powerful earnings, just like NVIDIA. And that stock today is breaking out through resistance. Okay, let's take a look at the S&P 500 here. Well, the health care stocks are rebounding somewhat today. Well, I wouldn't be chasing those stocks. That seems like a bad area for me. Cigna is up 5%. CVS is up 4.8%. Humana is up 3.5%. UnitedHealthcare is up 3.2% after several days of selling off. The AI stocks, other ones like Broadcom, kind of weak today. Supermicrocomputer, it's all over the place on a daily basis. That one is very hard to predict. And I know that Granite Cares, this ETF group.
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Oh, yeah, go ahead and look at Granite Cares. I want to hear that.
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Yeah, they have an ETF on SMCI. I think it's juice two to one to the upside. I think I'd feel more comfortable with it juice two to one to the downside. Tesla has its first down day in a long time.
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50% to the upside, maybe.
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Yeah, exactly. And then I look here over at the NASDAQ. NVIDIA's biggest winner on the NASDAQ today at 4.3%. Western Digital, you know what, that's a stock that has been around in the NASDAQ, I think, ever since I've been in the business. They had a big presence in Southern California. And back in the day, you know, the first revolution had to happen in storage. As computers got more and more powerful, storage became a big issue. And those great big disk drives that held 40 megabytes, and computers kind of came with 40 megabytes. That's all you got. And if you wanted external, the next revolution that came along was the IOMega that were a peripheral that you attached to your computer, a big heavy thing. I should have saved my iOmega. I had one at one time. That was one of the greatest stocks I ever found. That was probably one of the first big winners that I found. That thing went up 142% in like three or four weeks with their invention. It was out of Utah. And you plugged them into your computer, and it gave you an extra 40 megabytes of storage. Then along came the flash memory, the sticks. And then, of course, now we're in the cloud where basically you have unlimited. But you go back to the days of Seagate and Western Digital with the big clunky disk drives. And, of course, they had to get them a lot smaller to start fitting into the smaller PCs and then eventually into the phone. So it's been a fun career. I continue to just have fun every single day. Seeing all of these developments and innovations and money-making opportunities, smart people, good managers, disruptors, just on and on and on. And I've seen a lot of bad companies, too, along the way. Okay, well, I'll be reporting today. I'll be looking at stocks. I've already gone through all of our holdings here. Oklo is our stock of the day, OKLO, which is one of our nuclear holdings. It is, well, it's pulled back now a little bit. It's still up about 2%, however, on the day. I'm seeing the quantum computing stocks kind of coming back down to earth here today, which I think that's just hot money there pretty much. To set up an appointment with us, 855-611-BEST. Transfer your Procter & Gamble to us. We'll get rid of it. AT&T, some of the other dinosaurs, soggy stocks of yesteryear. Four-week trial of live trading. I teach. I send out live trades along with commentary, with the teaching in that commentary. No, I don't teach an official class. If each thing has been watching me, I've been doing this for 25 years now, go to GundersenCapital.com to sign up for those four free weeks. Have a great day, everybody.
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Join Kim Munson in a heartfelt episode as she discusses the significance of memorials and honoring our veterans. With special guest Paula Sarles, learn about the transformative power of the USMC Memorial Foundation and their mission of healing and remembrance. Discover the compelling stories behind the memorial, and consider how engagement and responsibility shape our national fabric.
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KLZ 100.7 FM, the KLZ website, and the KLZ app. So you can listen anywhere in the world. And we look at these issues searching for truth and clarity through this lens of freedom versus force, force versus freedom. If something's a good idea, you should not have to force people to do it. And it's not compassionate to take other people's stuff, whether or not it's their rights, their property, freedom, livelihood, opportunities, or lives via force. Force can be a weapon, but policy, unpredictable and excessive taxation, fear, coercion, government-induced inflation, the agenda of the World Economic Forum, the globalist elites, the United Nations, the Colorado legislature, Colorado governor, World Health Organization. I'm going to put in county and local government. Land, adding on to that list, Joe, land use code, zoning regulations, and forest fees. And remember, if something's a good idea, you should not have to force people or coerce people or scare people into implementing it. Our word of the day, I went to, and Joe and I talked about this. We thought it was a good word. Let's see if I can pronounce it. It's one I always get tripped up on. But I thought, let's give it a try. And it's ameliorate. And that is spelled A-M-E-L-I-O-R-A-T-E. And it is to make or become better, to improve. And I think we should be able to use that in a sentence. It's how do we ameliorate our lives here in America? And that is that we realize that we are a constitutional representative republic and and that we need to be engaged at the local, the county, the state, and the national level on these issues. I know that that sounds like a lot, so my friends, choose one thing. There's one thing that must keep you up at night. Choose that one thing. Become an expert on it. Become involved in that. It is our civic duty that each and every one of us does one thing. I'm going to be talking with my buddy, Steve Dorman, as our featured guest this hour. Typically, I thought Dr. James Lyons-Weiler had been our scheduled guest, if you'd seen that in the newsletter, and he is under the weather. And so, Steve Dorman, I thought, let's do something regarding the Colorado Union of Taxpayers. And Steve is going to join us here in segments three and four of this first hour. Paula Sarles, we'll talk with her. And she sent over some good news regarding the food down at Fort Carson. So we'll want to talk with her about that. And then also the Buy a Brick program for the memorial. Our quote of the day, I went to Thomas Sowell, and he was born in 1930. He's an American economist, a remarkable story, a social philosopher, political commentator, a senior fellow at the Hoover Institute with widely published commentary and books, and is a guest on TV and radio. He's a well-known voice in the American conservative movement, and that conservative is conserving and preserving this idea that all men are created equal with these rights from God of life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness. He's a prominent black conservative. And he was born in Gastonia, North Carolina. He grew up in Harlem, New York City. And it says due to poverty and difficulties at home, he dropped out of high school and worked various odd jobs, eventually serving in the United States Marine Corps during the Korean War. afterward he graduated magna cum laude from harvard university in 1958 he earned a master's degree in economics from columbia university and a phd in economics from the university of chicago and he has held professorships at cornell university brandeis university and the university of california los angeles Since 1977, he's worked at the Hoover Institution at Stanford University, where he is the Rose and Milton Friedman Senior Fellow on Public Policy. And this is what he said, and so important. He said, what exactly is your fair share of what someone else has worked for? That's Thomas Sowell. What exactly is your fair share of what someone else has worked for? This day in history, a number of things that I thought were super interesting. First of all, 1799, George Washington's body is interred at Mount Vernon. In 1888, Richard Wetherill and his brother-in-law discovered the ancient Anasazi ruins at Mesa Verde in Colorado. That was back in 1888. On this day in 1916, the Battle of Verdun, the longest of World War I, officially ends in the German defeat after nine months of fighting. Imagine that, my friends, and almost one million total casualties. War is such a terrible thing. That's why we have to engage in this battle of ideas. That's why we do what we're doing. In 1917, the 18th Amendment to the U.S. Constitution authorizing prohibition of alcohol is approved by the U.S. Congress and sent to the states for ratification. Now, a weather event, and I bring these up because there were those back in the 70s that said that the planet was going to freeze. And then they said it was going to burn up. And now they say it's climate change, which is also known as weather. And the climate, well, let me rephrase that. We have weather that changes every day. The climate has changed over the years. millions of years that the Earth has been in existence. And so we need to realize that. But anytime there's a weather event, those on the radical left want to attribute it to climate change. And That is why I'd really recommend that you check out the website for climateconversation.com. You can watch the documentary for free. And then we are doing these amazing podcasts. In fact, we have one that we'll record this afternoon. But I like to show these weather events just so that you realize that these weather events happened throughout history. So in 1963, Muskegon, Michigan, gets three inches of snow. And then I was talking with a friend yesterday. She said she was out, I guess she was at Costco, and she said there's all of this Christmas stuff and it's all about the Grinch. And so we're like, when did the Grinch Who Stole Christmas come out? And amazingly, it was today in 1966. It says, How the Grinch Stole Christmas airs for the first time on CBS. It's an animated special directed by Chuck Jones, features voices of Boris Karloff, June Foray, and Thurl Ravenscroft with songs by Albert Haig. Then in 1972, Vietnam War. And we've been talking a lot about the Vietnam War and our Vietnam veterans. And we had Doyle Glass on earlier this week regarding his book, Swift Sword. And it's about the Marines of Mike 3-5 during the Swift Sword operation and their battle on 4 September 1967. And my book has arrived, so I'm going to read that over Christmas break. And then a pretty amazing America's Veterans Stories. They're all amazing. But America's Veterans Stories show. Last week, we broadcast on Sunday afternoon, 3 to 4 p.m., part one with Vietnam veteran. Carl Leppard. And this Sunday, we will broadcast 3 to 4 p.m. the part two. If you miss part one, you can listen to that Sunday night, 10 to 11. Again, that's on all KLZ 560 platforms. But in 1972, the U.S. launches Operation Linebacker 2, its heaviest bombing of North Vietnam as negotiations to end the Vietnam War collapse. And then 1996, this is during all of this I think dumbing down of our education and not setting kids up for success. And to be able to speak the language, to be able to write the language, to be able to communicate with each other is inherent in the success of our children. And so in 1996, though, the Oakland, California School Board passes a resolution officially declaring Ebonics a language or dialect. And then I thought this again. Politicians 2002 governor of California, Gray Davis, announces the state faces a record budget deficit of thirty five billion, roughly double the figure reported during his reelection campaign one month earlier. Wow, he couldn't get that right. And then 2011, the last of the U.S. troops withdraw from Iraq, formerly ending the Iraq War. And then this last one, I'm like, how does this happen? 2012, Canadian police begin arresting 17 people for the Great Maple Syrup Heist for stealing 3,000 tons from a storage facility in Quebec. Wow. What do you do with 3,000 tons of syrup? I don't know. That one was quite amazing. Let's see, our headlines that I wanted to hit. First of all, is these drones. And the government knows what's going on. I was watching some of the evening shows last night, and when Donald Trump was asked about the briefings on that, he said no comment. So my gut feeling is that this is something from the government. because the FBI warns New Jersey residents not to shoot down drones or point lasers at aircraft. And so I think that they know exactly what, who, what, when, where on these drones are. Of course, there was again on the. reports last night, there was a New Jersey mayor who said that there might be some nuclear radioactive ingredients or something that have unaccounted for. So that's super concerning. So anyway, stay tuned on this. This is so curious. Next thing, and this is from Fox News, it says Republican lawmakers are calling for political appointees who have already announced roles in outside environmental organizations next year to recuse themselves from pending business, citing conflicts of interest concerns, you think? It says in a letter to the Bureau of Land Management on Tuesday, shared first with Fox News Digital, the Congressional Western Caucus demanded the agency identify these people who are planning to join these environmental, non-governmental organizations. They're called NGOs, E-N-G-O, and recuse themselves. And the caucus, made up mostly of Republicans, seeks to be a voice for rural America, according to the website. And I was talking with someone the other day with all these billions of dollars of green going out to the Biden sending out to all of these cronies before he leaves office. And then all of these appointees then get these golden parachutes to go work for these environmental, non-governmental organizations. You talk about cronyism. That is extremely remarkable. So those are the two headlines that I want to hit right now. And we do the show because of our sponsors. And I thank the Harris family. 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And welcome back to the Kim Monson Show. Be sure and check out our website. That is Kim Monson, M-O-N-S-O-N dot com. Sign up for our weekly email newsletter and you can email me at Kim at Kim Monson dot com as well. Thank you to all of you who support us. We're an independent voice and we search for truth and clarity by looking at these issues through the lens of freedom versus force, force versus freedom. If something's a good idea, you should not have to force people to do it. And pleased to have on the line with me my friend Paula Sarles. She is a Marine veteran. She's a Gold Star wife. She's also the president of the USMC Memorial Foundation. Paula, welcome to the show.
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Well, thanks for having me, Kim. It's good to be here.
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Well, it's good to have you. And Paula, first of all, we had reported about the low quality of food at Fort Carson. And many of our listeners reached out. Pam Long put together a list of elected representatives, people down at Fort Carson to contact. Many of our listeners did that. And I think because of that and, of course, the reporting on it, I think it's made a difference because you sent something over and said that it looks like there's some improvements, yes?
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Well, at one of the meetings I was at yesterday, one of our leaders had talked to the PR people at Fort Carson, and he said he trusted this person and said, that they were very reliable and that the problem was with fast food delivery, that they were trying to get mobile food out to the troops around the base and that the mess halls had plenty of food. They could go into the mess hall and eat. It was the fast food that was going out mobily to the troops. that they were having some logistic problems with, but they're working on that and getting it together. So I think it's maybe not as big a problem as was originally thought.
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You know what I might do is I might reach out to the reporter that broke that story at military.com because he had a picture of a plate with lima beans and a piece of toast, and that's just not acceptable for our troops. My gosh.
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No, it's not. Yeah. This guy told me that was not the case.
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We'll research more on it.
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Yeah, I think that's what I would do. I haven't been down there, and I think that's maybe something that a reporter or somebody should actually go in there and see. That's a good idea. No one at the meeting I was at had been there to actually go in and see.
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Okay, well, that's a good idea. We'll go to work on that. I'll talk with Pam Long, and we'll get that figured out. So, Paula, we talk about it on a regular basis. I'm honored to support the U.S. MC Memorial Foundation and the amazing work that you do. The Marine Memorial was dedicated in 1977, and the remodel is so important, but it's a place of great healing. When I've been out there at different events... and seeing you interact with different veterans and just hear their stories. This is a very important place for many of our veterans.
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It is. And I know personally of three suicides over the years that have been prevented. And we featured one story on our Facebook and LinkedIn this summer. And Cesar came to speak at our anniversary event and told how he came there 12 years ago and was contemplating suicide. And just visiting the memorial and talking to me and coming back for the ceremony prevented him from committing suicide. And he turned his life around a few years later with serving veterans. helping veterans with PTSD, and actually in April helped me through a little bit of an issue I was having. So the story came full circle, and it's just amazing the stories you hear of people at the memorial and how it changes their lives.
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Well, and for you and your husband, Tony, who has passed on from the effects of Agent Orange from the Vietnam War, correct? Right. Right. Okay.
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And we went there in 2002, and it was the first time we really felt welcomed home in 30 years.
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And the camaraderie that the veterans feel when they go to... There's a group of people there. It's amazing.
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So you have on your heart to do this remodel, which is amazing. And one of the great things about it, and people can get more information by going to usmcmemorialfoundation.org and see the plans. The plans are really, really beautiful. And Paula, as we see our country, we've gone through a period where our memorials have been torn down or renamed or a variety of things. We need to make sure that we remember our history, that we honor those that have given their lives and donated their lives for our liberty, this liberty that we enjoy every day and we take for granted. And so I really recommend that people stop and reflect on this. Tell us about that and what's going on with them at the Biobrick Program.
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Well, the Biobrick Program is a way that you can donate to help with the remodels. And you get a nice certificate as a keepsake until the bricks are laid when we actually do the remodel. And actually, right now, we have a matching program through the end of the year. So it's a great time to do it. And it'll benefit the memorial twice as much. And we've actually sold bricks in... 26 different states as of today. I just had two ordered yesterday from New York. Wow. It's great to see people are hearing about it and moving on. That was from a contact that was made with two Dave Bray who came to play in August for our anniversary. Wow. The word's getting out.
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Well, and that's why we continue to talk about it every day. Now, Marines are, I know some Marines have reached out to me, and they're very protective. They say it's the Marine Memorial, and they were concerned about a pathways of service for our other branches.
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But address that. There's one walkway that's called the Paths to Service. and it's dedicated to all branches of service. The rest are Marine walkways. But the reason we did that was because when the memorial was dedicated in 1977 by Commandant Wilson, he dedicated it to honor Marines and remember all who served. And as we interviewed over a thousand people to come up with the design, So many of them said, we want to have a place where we can honor the other branches. And there had always been a plan for an all-services monument of some kind in the memorial. It just hadn't been designed or built yet. So the architect and I came up with the idea of having the walk of service. And that way, if I have a brother or an uncle that's in the Army, And my dad's in the Marine, and I'm a Marine, and we can put it all together, have a brick together on that walkway. Or if I had a good friend that was in the Army that saved my life, I could put that on the walk of service and honor him. So it really is a nice way to honor them, and we do plan to. I have a smaller monument on the walkway that's to the all branches. It has to be redesigned because it's Space Force, but we're getting there.
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Okay, well, and I actually have purchased two bricks. Paula, one for my father, who was in the Air Force, and he passed on just a little over a year ago, last December, last December 1st. And it was one of the most treasured gifts that I'd ever given him because if you buy a brick, you get a beautiful certificate. And he had that in his room on the wall. And so it was really, really special to him. And then I shared the story of his cousin who was killed at Pearl Harbor. And his remains were identified just a few years ago, and those were brought home to to Mound City, Missouri, for a final resting place. And you suggested, well, why don't you buy a brick for Wilbur? And so I did that as well. And I'm so glad that I did. So thank you for that opportunity.
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Well, I'm glad that we could do that. And there's lots of room for bricks. And as we move forward and get the land across the streets in our building, there'll be way more bricks. So we're really excited for people to use this opportunity to donate.
SPEAKER 15 :
Well, and how can people do that and get more information?
SPEAKER 12 :
They just go to usmcmemorialfoundation.org and click on Buy a Brick.
SPEAKER 15 :
Paula Sarles, again, that's usmcmemorialfoundation.org. Thank you for all that you do to honor our Marines and our other military and veterans. And I wish you and yours a very Merry Christmas.
SPEAKER 12 :
Well, and you too, my dear. Thank you so much.
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SPEAKER 15 :
Welcome back to The Kim Monson Show. Be sure and check out our website. That is Kim Monson, M-O-N-S-O-N dot com. Sign up for a weekly email newsletter and you can email me at Kim at Kim Monson dot com as well. Thank you to all of you who support us. We're an independent voice and we search for truth and clarity by looking at these issues through the lens of freedom versus force, force versus freedom. Something's a good idea. You shouldn't have to force people to do it. and very pleased to have on the line with me my colleague, fellow board member of the Colorado Union of Taxpayers, Steve Dorman. Steve, welcome to the show.
SPEAKER 20 :
Oh, good morning. Top of the morning, Kim. Great to be with you and the smartest audience in Denver.
SPEAKER 15 :
I agree. It is the smartest audience in Denver. And one way that they can get even smarter, or maybe I should just say more informed, is to become a member of the Colorado Union of Taxpayers. And we're going to be ramping up here after the beginning of the year for the next legislative session.
SPEAKER 20 :
coming upon us very quick. As you know, there's a lot of work involved by a lot of volunteers to read those bills. And we look forward to the duty, but it is duty. And we could use membership. We could use people. If they're interested in helping read bills, we'd be interested in having those folks jump on board.
SPEAKER 15 :
And I always like to say thank you to our fellow board members, Steve, and that's you, obviously, Steve Dorman, Greg Golianski, Russ Haas, Bill Hamill, Carl Honecker, Rob Knuth, John Nelson, Joseph O'Loughlin, Wendy Warner, Marty Nielsen, Ramey Johnson, and Mary Jansen. This is a group of volunteers that is spending a lot of time going through these bills so that you can be informed. And Colorado Union of Taxpayers was founded in 1976. So these volunteers have been watching legislation all of these years. Last year, I just checked from our Bill Track 50, there were 792 bills that were proposed in Colorado last year. We don't need one more law. much less 792. And we, Colorado Union of Taxpayers, took positions on 259 of those. And so we'll look at the bills and take a position if it affects taxes, fees, property rights. You know, those are the things that we really look at, Steve.
SPEAKER 20 :
Yeah, exactly. If you asked me to identify core values for us, it would come down to four, in my opinion, and that would be smaller government, lower taxes, defense of TABOR, and also we're very much in favor of choice in education.
SPEAKER 15 :
Yes. And so we take stands on all that. And it is a commitment. But yet, don't you feel very informed with the work that you're doing? And we have a front row seat to what is happening down at the state legislature. And There's some pretty radical activist stuff that is presented. And so, first of all, we have to know about it so that it doesn't get bias. And what I found frustrating on this sometimes as we're looking at these bills is that we have Republicans, well-meaning Republicans, that are sticking their names as co-sponsors or sponsors on these bills. And I hope this year we can... It's really time intensive, but to interact more with the legislators, because I think maybe sometimes they just don't understand. So I think we need to maybe ramp that up a little bit, Steve.
SPEAKER 20 :
Well, I agree, Kim. We don't always do a perfect job of communicating with them how we are rating bills, and they just don't understand why would we not like their bill. And I don't know if they take it personal or not, but it's certainly not personal with us. We're rating based on principles, smaller government, lower taxes. And that's what we're about. We are the union of taxpayers. The taxpayer is our focus.
SPEAKER 15 :
Well, and who is the taxpayer? It's all of us. And so that's why people should care. It doesn't cost that much to join us, Steve.
SPEAKER 20 :
$25 a year. Now, you think about it. How many special interests are there in Colorado? And there are a gazillion, every one of whom has a lobbyist. And the taxpayer doesn't have one, they think. They actually do have one. And it's us. It's the Colorado Union taxpayer is their lobbyist. And all we ask is for a $25 a year membership to help us support us in our work. We do have some expenses. We're pretty lean on spending it for ourselves, but we do have some expenses, some of which, you know, come out of our pockets. But we have some expenses, and we could use some help.
SPEAKER 15 :
And so people can go to – the website is coloradotaxpayer.org, and we have a new website, and it's beautiful, and we have more things that we want to do with it. But you can actually click on the Support Cut tab there at the very top, and then that will take you over so that you can make a contribution. Now, we've got a really – important event that will be on January 23rd it'll be at the Colorado Automobile Dealers Association CADA and there's great parking it's located on Speer near Broadway and the cost is well basically we'd encourage you to renew your membership and or join at that time. It's $25 for that, and then just $10 to attend the event. And it will be our legislative kickoff, and we would love to have people join us for that, Steve.
SPEAKER 20 :
Absolutely. We had our first time ever at CADA, which is a fantastic facility, the Automobile Dealers Association at Spear. And I think the address is 200 Spear. I'm not sure. But anyway, it's a great facility. It was well attended. It was content rich with legislators there giving their views. We had opportunity for people to interact with legislators one on one. before our program began. Fantastic event. Just show up and mingle with some legislators. You can tell them what you think and ask them what they're thinking. So it's a great event on January the 23rd.
SPEAKER 15 :
And we will be honoring our cut legislators that made the cut, if you will, Steve Dorman. And we're really pleased about that. But we're really going to try to reach out to all legislators and really even reach across the aisle to – to try to communicate, I would say, with all of our legislators to try to have them understand how important it is to get government back in its proper role, limited government, and that if people have more money in their pocket, They thrive and they flourish, and our economy will thrive and flourish. And I'm starting to see headlines, Steve Dorman, of these terrible policies that have occurred here in Colorado and the continual assault upon TABOR, our Colorado's Taxpayers Bill of Rights. We used to be near the very top regarding GDP of states in the country. We're in the bottom ten now. And it's because of public policy. And I think people might say, well, how can this happen? We've got great organizations such as CUT and other organizations here in Colorado. But we've continued to move further and further to the radical extremist left. What do you say to people when they ask you that question?
SPEAKER 20 :
Kim, I... you know been thinking about this and in the past Colorado was a deep red state and people who think like you and I do they didn't have to do much it would happen automatically that we would get a good conservative legislature but times have changed our demographics have changed and the same people who think the same things are still waiting on someone else to do it now I came on the show telling you that I think you have the smartest audience in Denver, and I do, but some of them could do a little more. Voting is great, but it's not enough. You have to do something. So again, I encourage people, join Colorado Union of Taxpayers, $25 a year, and if you're so inclined, we'd be glad to have you help us in reading bills. The only way to change the direction of the pendulum is for people to actually do something. Voting's not enough.
SPEAKER 15 :
Well, and when you join us, so what happens each week is on Friday evenings, this Bill Track 50 software that we use, and it was created by a woman that used to live in Denver. She lives in London now. And it's really creative. Actually, she calls it Bill Track 50 because she does this for all 50 states and Congress. But for us in Colorado, she will populate all of the bills that are scheduled for hearing for the next week. and then i as president go through those uh it can take a while and try to look at them as through this lens as you mentioned these four things that we really focus on and if i think that a bill might fall within that realm then i put it on to our software and each of our our board members has a column where they give give what they recommend as a rating and their reasoning And then if we get to a majority one way or another, or it could be do not rate, we'll either take a position, yes, no, or we won't take a position depending on what happens there. And then I take all those comments from our board members and collate them together to make a statement. put that in an email and we send that to all the legislators, the governor. And if you're a member, you will also get that each week. And I tell you, it's one of the best ways to stay informed. I think between us at Colorado taxpayer and then the great work that, and I know you help Sue more as well over at Liberty scorecard. I think those two volunteer organizations are, are cause we don't have a, a vested money interest in what we're doing. It's the principles that we're looking at. And you will be so informed that it, and knowledge is power, Steve. So I'd really recommend people join us so that they get those emails.
SPEAKER 20 :
Kim, you hit the key right there. An informed electorate will get us what we want. But just knowing vaguely about issues without knowing specifics, knowing who sponsored such and such bill, I've talked to people who think that if their candidate has the right party designation after their name, they must be okay. Not so much. So you have to be informed, and CUT is an excellent way to stay informed, be involved, and not be just part of the great masses.
SPEAKER 15 :
And people can join us by going to coloradotaxpayer.org. It is $25. And then you'll be getting the information also about our event on the 23rd of January. We're going to continue this discussion, which is so important. And we normally talk with Lorne Levy for Everything Mortgages on Wednesdays, but the Fed is meeting today. So tomorrow, Lorne is going to give us an update today. He can help you with your mortgage in 49 of the 50 states, just not New York.
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and welcome back to the kim monson show be sure and check out our website that is kim monson m-o-n-s-o-n.com sign up for our weekly email newsletter and you can email me at kim kimmonson.com as well thank you to all of you who support us we're an independent voice we search for truth and clarity by looking at these issues through the lens of freedom versus force force versus freedom if something's a good idea you should not have to force people to do it Another nonprofit that I dearly love and support is the Center for American Values. It's located in Pueblo on the Riverwalk. And really, it's a very special place. And I highly recommend that you take the kids down there sometime during Christmas break to take a look at these portraits of valor of over 160 of our Medal of Honor recipients. It is a very reverent place. It's an inspiring place. And so to get more information about their hours, location, check that out at AmericanValueCenter.org. That's AmericanValueCenter.org. I have on the line with me my colleague, Steve Dorman, who is a fellow board member on the Colorado Union of Taxpayers Board, which is an all-volunteer organization that has been watching legislation in Colorado since 1976 and super important work. First thing, we also do this ratings report. uh steve dorman that is it's a really good report where we will actually delve into about 30 different bills and give our scorecard reports and just all kinds of information people can find that at the website but there's a lot of work that goes into that and it comes out after the legislative session
SPEAKER 20 :
Absolutely. It has, as you said, 30 of the bills that we might call the most egregious bills out of the 200-plus that we rated. What was it, 290 we rated last year? Or 259.
SPEAKER 15 :
259, okay. And...
SPEAKER 20 :
This report contains every legislator's score and the most egregious bills. So you'll be very well informed on what was most important that happened during the last session. You know, I keep hitting on people being informed and being involved, and I was thinking about my own participation with CUT. I had known about the Colorado Union of Taxpayers for years, but never did anything with them until... 2017, I was a legislative aide to a really good representative out of Weld County, Lori Sane. And Lori displayed her awards on her desk proudly, dusted them off, polished them. She loved her cut awards, and she was very proud of them. And so after that session, I did. became involved and sought out Bill Hamill, who is our treasurer, and asked him how I could be involved. And so I would encourage others, find a way to get involved, if not with CUT, with some other organization. But again, voting is not enough. You have to do something.
SPEAKER 15 :
You really do have to do something. And I think sometimes it can appear overwhelming, though. Just regular, everyday, hardworking Coloradans just trying to take care of their family, their jobs, you know, keep it all together. And they go 792 pieces of legislation. That is overwhelming. I almost think it's overwhelming by design. But again, the fact that we delve through this and and we stand for limited government and more money in your pocket, less taxes, protect Tabor, Colorado's Taxpayers Bill of Rights. And so I did want to and let's address this just a little bit. Our 2024 Colorado Senate taxpayer protectors in the warriors, our taxpayer warriors are Senator Kevin Van Winkle, Senator Mark Baisley and Senator Rod Pelton. And there are two Peltons in these categories. as representatives, or I guess they're both senators, and they're cousins. But this is Senator Rod Pelton, who is a taxpayer warrior. Over on the House side, our taxpayer champion was Representative Stephanie Luck, our taxpayer guardians, Representative Ken DeGraff and Representative Scott Bottoms, and our taxpayer warriors, Representative Ron Weinberg, Representative Brandy Bradley, and Representative Don Wilson. Now, we added a new... category uh this year because it's pretty tough down there at the state house with um the governor and and a majority in the senate and the house it's pretty tough uh i think to be a legislator down there that's really representing the people isn't that crazy well yeah it is and
SPEAKER 20 :
It's not as if we don't understand the difficulties that a minority has on their shoulders. They do have to compromise from time to time to get anything done, or more importantly, to stop something bad from happening. So we understand the difficulties. It's not like we are completely separated and apart and oblivious to the difficulties that they face.
SPEAKER 15 :
And that is why we added in this taxpayer warrior category as well. And Representative Luck, I think this is an important quote from her, and you can see again this at our website, coloradotaxpayer.org. She says, "...the Colorado legislature increasingly disdains people's inalienable right to property and contract, which means that a family's wealth amassed by hard work, often over generations, is increasingly at risk of being taken." While it will require all of us acting together to reclaim our societal understanding of first principles, legislators should lead the charge by voting to restore good governance and secure the rights of citizens. She pretty well nails it there, Steve.
SPEAKER 20 :
You know, Representative Luck is one of my personal favorites. She's just such a nice, nice woman, an attorney, I think, by trade from South Colorado. And, yes, she thinks about issues, and she thinks about them in big terms, the big picture. She's not focusing on winning a vote or – You know, her personal brand, she's principle-oriented, and that's what makes her one of my favorites.
SPEAKER 15 :
Well, and let's talk a little bit about the governor. The governor is – I've heard from legislators that nothing happens down at that statehouse without him really knowing about it, approving it. And sometimes it might be somewhat strategic. And this last week he had a photo op for people that – are watching. I think it's effective. He had on his desk pages and pages of regulation and he was taking a buzzsaw to it to try to imply that he's getting rid of regulations. But that's why cut is so important is because we're watching the legislation, how they're setting up new bureaucracies or empowering bureaucracies, running around Tabor with these enterprise zones. All of these things are happening. Meanwhile, He is I think he is pretty smart from a kind of a political posturing standpoint. And what do you think about all that?
SPEAKER 20 :
Kim, our governor, is a champion chameleon. He can be anything to anybody, depends on who he is talking to at the moment. And I have also heard what you just said about his involvement with the legislature. He is the invisible hand guiding the directing the play.
SPEAKER 15 :
And this play is really, Colorado is becoming, Denver is dirty and it's dangerous. We're seeing from an economic standpoint, you know, they were riding on the coattails of the great effects of TABOR, Colorado's Taxpayers Bill of Rights. And we have seen the continual chipping away at that, at the local, the county, the state, the special district levels. And we're starting to see the effects of that. Our GDP is in the bottom 10. And we used to be in the top. And we're seeing more and more commentary from different industries about what this overregulation is doing. And we've got to get this turned around. Otherwise, Colorado, which used to be such a desirable place, is no longer desirable.
SPEAKER 20 :
In days gone by, the two political parties, I think by and by, mostly wanted the same things. We wanted good education. We wanted prosperity, health, clean communities. We wanted crime free. And we just disagreed on how to get there. Today, I don't think the two parties even want the same things. We have one party who is borderline anarchist. They are all in favor of no bail for the most violent of criminals. There is no limit to how much taxes that they want to collect and spend. And so we no longer want the same things. And it's incumbent upon those of us who look for smaller government. We have a duty to stand up and be involved.
SPEAKER 15 :
Well, absolutely. So, Steve Dorman, it is an honor to serve with you on the Colorado Union of Taxpayers. I appreciate all of your hard work.
SPEAKER 20 :
Well, I hope we were able to ameliorate support for conservative principles this morning.
SPEAKER 15 :
Well done, Steve Dorman. Well done. We'll talk soon. Thank you for all you do. You bet. And our quote for the end of the show is from Thomas Sully says, what do you call it when someone steals someone else's money secretly? Theft. What do you call it when someone takes someone else's money openly by force? Robbery. What do you call it when a politician takes someone else's money in taxes and gives it to someone who is more likely to vote for them? Social justice. So my friends today, be grateful. Read great books. Think good thoughts. Listen to beautiful music. Communicate and listen well. Live honestly and authentically. Strive for high ideals. And like Superman, stand for truth, justice, and the American way. My friends, you are not alone. God bless you. God bless America. Stay tuned for hour number two.
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And I really enjoyed the conversation with my colleague, Steve Dorman, with the Colorado Union of Taxpayers. And again, we're ramping up for 2025. So join us. You can do that at coloradotaxpayer.org. That's coloradotaxpayer.org. check out our website that is kim monson m-o-n-s-o-n.com sign up for our weekly email newsletter and you can email me at kim kimmonson.com as well and thank you to all of you who support us we're an independent voice and we search for truth and clarity by looking at these issues through the lens of freedom versus force force versus freedom if something's a good idea you should not have to force people to do it and um Let's see here. You can hear the show 6 to 8 a.m. Monday through Friday. First hour is rebroadcast 1 to 2 in the afternoon. Second hour is rebroadcast 10 to 11 at night. This is on all KLZ 560 platforms. And that's KLZ 560 AM, KLZ 100.7 FM, the KLZ website. and the KLZ app. And then also the next day we have our summary of the show posted on the website. You just click on the image and it'll bring up the written summary as well as the podcast. And then you can listen to those podcasts also on the streaming services such as iTunes and Spotify. Our word of the day is ameliorate. And Steve Dorman was able to use that in a sentence. And it is to make or become better, to improve. And I think that, let's see, what would it be? We need to ameliorate the legislation that is being proposed down at the statehouse and so that it reflects a limited government and limited taxes, fees, more money in your pocket. So that is our word of the day ameliorate. And it's spelled A-M-E-L-I-O-R-A-T-E. Again, A-M-E-L-I-O-R-A-T-E. Our quote of the day is from Thomas Sowell, which he is an amazing economist, an amazing story. He was born in 1930 in Gastonia, North Carolina. He grew up in Harlem. And it says, due to poverty and difficulties at home, just think about that. And those are two of the things that many say that would prevent success. And actually he overcame that. What a great story. He had dropped out of high school. He worked at various odd jobs. Then he served in the United States Marine Corps in the Korean War. And after that, he graduated magna cum laude from Harvard University. And just an amazing story and a great understanding as well of economics. But I love this quote because how can you answer this? What exactly is your fair share of what someone else has worked for? And I remember I was in a conversation, this was many years ago, with somebody that was actually advocating for more and more taxes, saying that more and more taxes could help people, and that they felt just fine paying more and more taxes. And trying to imply that because I wanted to keep more of my money and make the decisions on who nonprofits or who I would want to fund, or perhaps I might want to hire somebody to help me around my... house or something, and instead of just giving money away, but to trade value for value. And so again, there's this kind of altruistic claim on other people's money, and that is not the way it is supposed to be. So that was our quote of the day. And several of our headlines I wanted to go through. This is from the Baltimore Sun. It says President Joe Biden's approval rating in November was 37%, the lowest mark for any U.S. president at that point in their first term since former President Jimmy Carter, according to the Gallup polling. Interesting. I almost wonder how it could be 37%. And of course, there's this narrative that they're trying to say that we have this great economy and everything's great. Well, the world is in a more dangerous place. The Biden administration, the Biden-Harris administration is putting up all kinds of roadblocks in front of Donald Trump and his new administration. It seems like they are trying to get us into a World War III situation. It's just all kinds of things that's happening. I can't believe that there even is 37% of folks that are approving of him. And then this next thing, this is so irresponsible. Here we are at December 18th. This is from Fox News. And I guess this was published yesterday. Congress unveils bill to avert Friday government shutdown with over $100 billion in disaster aid. If we all lived our lives like this, it's so irresponsible. So they have to have things figured out by Friday. And this is all on Tuesday. We need to demand more from these elected representatives. And it says that congressional leaders are unveiling this plan. Again, you're unveiling the plan on Tuesday to avoid the shutdown on Friday. We, the people, would like to take a look at it. And so it says House Republicans release this. It's 1,547 pages, a short-term extension, a fiscal year government funding levels to give lawmakers more time to agree on funding for the rest of fiscal year 2025. And that may be a good idea. Maybe with the new administration, maybe that is their strategy. And it goes on to say it's the second such extension. It's called a continuing resolution since fiscal year 2024 ended on September 30th. And it says the bill extends fiscal 2024 government funding levels through March 14th, while including more than $100 billion in funding for disaster relief after storms Helene and Milton battered the U.S. southeast just months ago. I'm wondering as I'm looking at this, if this is from a strategic standpoint, is to get more of that funding over into when Trump, his administration, is in place. And we've seen, though, as the continual counting in some of these states that the majority in the House has become razor thin. And it seems like they keep counting until the Democrats win. It seems like we've got to get to a point where we decide everything on Election Day. And next thing, this again, California. It says, and this is from USA Today, California raised the pay and thousands of people lost their jobs. And then it goes on to say, wake up liberals. And this is an opinion piece. And it is by Ingrid Jacques, I guess, USA Today. And it says that... Perhaps California Governor Gavin Newsom thought the $20 minimum wage hike he signed into law last year for most fast food workers would magically skirt the principles of free market economics. If so, he was wrong. The Democrat governor clearly buys into the progressive fallacy that government intervention in the private economy will will yield positive results. And it usually doesn't. Says the law took effect in April and in a 10-month period since the mandate kicked in, the Golden State shed more than 6,000 jobs. That's roughly 1.1% drop in fast food employment. So... What happened to these people? Are they now on government assistance? What happened? It says, in contrast, during the same timeframe a year earlier, before the law passed, the California fast food industry experienced a 3.1% increase in employment. We have talked about it on a regular basis. Forced minimum wage. Ultimately, there will be some that will be paid more, but there will be people that lost their jobs. And what percentage of zero is zero? It's zero. And so. We've got to make people understand that we've got to keep government out of the private economy. And people have looked to government for answers, and government is not the answer. One other thing I wanted to mention is that AOC lost her battle with Pelosi over the – Oversight Committee post. So there's infighting certainly within the Democrat Party, and it appears that the radical activists, the really radical activists, may be losing some of their power. 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And welcome back to The Kim Monson Show. Be sure and check out our website. That is Kim Monson, M-O-N-S-O-N dot com. Sign up for our weekly email newsletter and you can email me at Kim at Kim Monson dot com as well. Thank you to all of you who support us. We're an independent voice. We search for truth and clarity by looking at these issues through the lens of freedom versus force, force versus freedom. If something's a good idea, you should not have to force people to do it. And it is Wednesday, so that means it's a Trent Luce Wednesday. You know him. He is a sixth-generation farmer and rancher and shedding light on the people that feed and fuel us and our freedom. All those things are under attack. Trent Luce, welcome to the show.
SPEAKER 21 :
Hi, Kim. Frosty here in central Nebraska today.
SPEAKER 15 :
Is it frosty? Well, it's supposed to be get up to in the 50s here in Colorado. So but we've got a lot to talk about. So let's start with what you had sent over yesterday. You texted over and that is regarding our power shortages. And this is a Morgan Stanley report. So what should people know about that?
SPEAKER 21 :
yeah i found that interesting it is a morgan stanley research project and they what they did was they took a look at the proposed and planned data mining and ai centers through the next three years through 2028 and the long story short with the demand that will increase exponentially through these data centers and the destruction of our reliable supply of electricity, being natural gas and coal in particular, we will be 32 gigawatts short of electricity for the demand within the next three years. 32 gigawatts with a demand of 57 total gigawatts.
SPEAKER 15 :
So this is because of the data centers and also because of AI, yes?
SPEAKER 21 :
Correct.
SPEAKER 15 :
So out here in Colorado, this has been going on for a long time, where I would say it's maybe energy shaming. And that is that your neighbors can get a report on how much energy you use. And, of course, the implication is it's bad to use energy. And we need to be conserving energy. But how is it that these data centers and AI get a pass on using more and more energy?
SPEAKER 21 :
I went to a data center a few years back. Actually, it was about this week, three years ago. I got a call from a gentleman in southwest Kansas who worked for the local electric co-op. And he called and he said, Trent, I think you want to come and inspect what's going on at this data center they built just outside of town here. So I went down there. I looked at it. And I didn't really understand Bitcoin mining. I didn't understand any of this data processing at the time. And once I went to look at it, it's just massive computers in these little module buildings that they have to continually keep cool because they're just constantly running like a rapid engine. And then I went and did research into this. The average transaction of one one transaction of a data mining center, it requires 1739 kilowatt hours of electricity. And to your point, that's the equivalent of two months household, the normal household for two months of electric bill, just one transaction. And they do zillions of transactions in a given day. And the reason this guy called me is he said, I know that their electricity bill is $600,000 per month. And it's like, how can we think this is sustainable? And then you dig farther into this, Kim, and you find out that that one that I looked at, which many of those in this country are, owned by entities from China. And the one in Kansas is owned by an entity that was in Chicago. But if you go look, it's easy to find that this is a Chinese-based company owning. And then to make it even more disheartening, not interesting, disheartening, You learn that in 2021, China decided they're going to ban the infrastructure of data mining and AI centers because guess what? They are too resource intense. They require too much electricity. But they're coming to build them here. And we are incentivizing and providing subsidies to make it happen.
SPEAKER 15 :
Okay. That's what right there. We've got to stop these grants and subsidies. That's one of the first things that Vivek Ramaswamy and Elon Musk need to do, I think, is we've got to stop that. And those are going out to the local and the county and the state level, and we've got to stop that money trail because all that money is being used on a variety of things to undermine us. It just makes no sense. Okay. And what do you think about my... I just came up with that, and maybe somebody else has already talked about that, but energy shaming. We've got energy shaming out here in Colorado. And, you know, it may be that people use more energy at their home because they are... They may be working from home. They may have a bigger family. There may be a variety of things that play into that. But there's this energy shaming where your neighbors can see just how much energy you use. And the deal with Excel should be this. You provide energy. I pay for it. I make the decision on how much energy I want to use. You, Excel, work to figure out a way to provide reliable, efficient, affordable, and abundant energy at the lowest price possible. And right now, that energy source is oil and natural gas and coal, Trent.
SPEAKER 21 :
Yeah, absolutely. We have 800 years worth of coal left. And let's just talk about Colorado because How many times have I been to Steamboat Springs? And I usually go when I haven't been for quite a few years. But I would go because the National Stock Dog Finals were in Steamboat Springs each year. And you're driving around out in the country and you see all of these abandoned coal mines. Why did we abandon all of these coal mines? We have 800 years worth of coal left in this country. And we have, speaking of China, I think most people know they're permitting one new coal-fired power plant each week. They're not building that many, but they're permitting that many. And if you look at the most recent data, the utilization of coal to produce electricity globally increased by 2.6%, a pretty significant jump if you look at the standards of the past 40 years. And we're decimating coal as an energy source here. We're still kind of maintaining our status quo with natural gas. But we are trying to completely abandon coal, the reliable, affordable supply of electricity industry, While China and India both build and continue to grow, we're getting rid of it. At a time when we're incentivizing more demand. But we do have a bit of good news, and this may sound very strange. But, you know, we've talked about this electric corridor that was to be built across Oklahoma through eastern Colorado. This week we got news that the Oklahoma portion of that corridor is canceled.
SPEAKER 14 :
Really? How'd that happen? Yes.
SPEAKER 21 :
Don't know. All I know is that we've been throwing a fit and the people locally have been standing up. And every answer that I have for every dilemma we come up with, Kim, is that we must address these things at the local level. I know there was a tremendous amount of pressure put on state legislators and now state legislators are trying to take credit. And I don't think they were as responsible as they want us to believe. But it comes down to the people at each county who are standing there saying, no, this is not something we want. Now, while that may sound counterintuitive, we need more electricity. We have an infrastructure that handles the natural gas and the coal. The reason they wanted to build. all of these new infrastructures of transmission lines is because they're trying to shift how and where electricity is produced. And we know that intermittent electricity through solar and wind is not going to generate the reliability and the affordability that we can have with the resources such as coal and natural gas. Look at California. California tops the list in terms of kilowatt per hour, 36 cents per kilowatt hour of electricity. The national average is 17 cents. I'm very lucky. Custer Public Power, we pay less than 10 cents. Let's get back to the basics and what people can actually afford when it can be very affordable. It does not need to be 36 cents a kilowatt hour.
SPEAKER 15 :
But then what happens, PBIs lose their control. Correct. And that's one of the things this is all about. So this is – it's really just dumb. I don't know what else to say. It's just dumb for us as Americans to be doing this. And I think that people still are taking so much for granted and don't understand that right underneath the surface, this – this really blessed life that we have here in America with what still appears as a semblance of liberty and still being able to generally afford life. I don't think people realize that all that is really very tenuous and that's why we have to engage in this battle of ideas. So I want to change gears here. And I saw this headline the other day and had meant to mention this to you. This was a couple of weeks ago. Tyson Foods has said that it's going to close an 809 employee facility in Kansas by mid-February. And then I'm seeing this other headline from three days ago. It says, Animal Charity Hopes to Convert Meat Plant into an Animal Empathy Museum. Okay. So talk to me, first of all, about Tyson closing this facility.
SPEAKER 21 :
You're talking about the beef facility at Emporia, Kansas. But I don't know why. I'm really intrigued at this. That beef plant captured attention, got headlines. But on the same day, Tyson announced that they were closing four different plants, meat processing plants around the country. The only one in the beef world. was the one in Emporia, Kansas. Well, that's not true. There were some further processing plants. Two of them were in Pennsylvania. And at the same time, Smithfield Foods, owned by WH Group from Hong Kong, a China-owned entity, has announced that they are going to spin off a portion of their pork production in the United States, which, if you don't know, China currently represents and owns one in three pigs produced in the United States. So what does that mean that they're going to spend that off? What does it mean that Tyson is reducing and Cargill at the same time talked about reductions in the meat processing? It all means that we're going to be more vulnerable in our food stability than anybody realizes. because it's much like the coal conversation, and it's why it's so important to talk about what's happening with coal because you've built an infrastructure. You can have coal, but in order to get it to the coal-fired power plant, put it in the transmission lines, and send it down to the people who need it, that's the infrastructure that you don't just wave a magic wand and it's there. When we lose the infrastructure for food production... again, you can't just wave a magic wand and say, okay, we're going to go back into this. Now, let's also not ignore the fact that there was a grand opening last week in North Platte, Nebraska, for a producer owned in partnership with Walmart, I might add, beef sustainable, it's called a sustainable beef plant at North Platte. And so that's infrastructure that's coming online. And we can't ignore that. And at the same time, there's a a brand-new what they're calling state-of-the-art cattle feed yard, which is going in in Binkleman, Nebraska. So we're not just eliminating old infrastructure, but you have to pay attention to what's going on with that so that we do not become vulnerable. And we are. We already are. Again, we're relying on imported food, and that is not a place we want to be.
SPEAKER 15 :
Well, and it's not necessary. The American farmer and rancher has been if they don't have their hands tied and if they don't have all of these increases in their input costs, they can feed the world. And they've done that before. I remember my father said he he loved what he did. He wanted to take care of his family and he wanted to feed the world. And we were getting to a point where we were. there was less hunger in the world. But now these policies will make it so that we're going to have more hunger in this world. So that's why we have to have these discussions. And very appropriate that we're having this discussion as we talk about Lavaca Meat Company. It is really a premium product, a premium beef product and great protein source and truly that steakhouse experience at home.
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And welcome back to The Kim Monson Show. Be sure and check out our website. That is Kim Monson, M-O-N-S-O-N dot com. Sign up for our weekly email newsletter. You can email me at Kim at Kim Monson dot com as well. And thank you to all of you who support us. We're an independent voice and we search for truth and clarity by looking at these issues through the lens of freedom versus force, force versus freedom. If something's a good idea, you should not have to force people to do it. And I wanted to mention the Roger Mangan State Farm Insurance team. Roger's been in business for 48 years, taking care of his clients and his family and giving back to the community. And you don't stay in business for 48 years unless you strive for excellence. It is an amazing agency. And so set up a complimentary appointment to go over your coverage. That phone number is 303-795-8855. Trent Luce is on the line. He is a sixth generation farmer. farmer and rancher and we talk about uh fuel and uh fuel and freedom and fiber and uh few what is it food fuel fiber and freedom i guess it is how's that uh and it's under attack and this what's that that works Okay. Bird flu. We're starting to see more and more headlines about bird flu. And then the answer is to destroy flocks. And when you destroy flocks, you destroy food source. So is this our next pandemic?
SPEAKER 21 :
It is. I have no question about that. I've been talking to folks in California. The folks in California, particularly the dairy industry, are starting to reel in this and I want to get back to the dairy industry because it seems to be affecting the dairy industry extremely at a high level. But this has been an interesting 30 days as it involved food prices, and Teresa Platt, who joins me from France on Across the Pond, was in California for a couple of weeks, and she was paying $9 a dozen for eggs, and we talked about that. And so when she was telling me that, I went and looked across the board, And wholesale egg prices had gone to $7.50 in California. And many states throughout the nation were reporting accelerating cost of eggs. And it seems as though that's relaxed a bit in the last week. I find that fascinating. I looked it up this morning in our Grand Island, Nebraska, and just a run of the mail grocery store, eggs are $2.88 a dozen today. But I do believe that there is a priming for something to come because all of the avian influenza at this point has been, they've tested it and they've said that it's H5N1. H5N1 really is very limited to birds and now we find it in lactating cows and that obviously is not new. It started happening in Texas in February, Texas and a little bit of Kansas. I really believe that they will mutate this because the gain-of-function research was done in 2014. I can find all the documentation into H7N9, which is much more aggressive and much more serious to the human population. But what is more troubling than anything is how some of our commodity groups are reacting to this. I have many friends in Wisconsin. Wisconsin, obviously, we know is the cheese state. Wisconsin is full of cheeseheads and dairy farms still scattered throughout Wisconsin. And a friend of mine who, family operation, they milk, I think they milk 60 cows. He called me the other day and he said, Trent, we are being forced to test every cow now. for H5N1 avian influenza, dairy cows. And we've seen restrictions and limitations on dairy cows crossing state lines due to regulations, and Michigan's been a terrible state for this. Anyway, my friend, longtime friend, 30-plus years, is currently the executive of the National Milk Producers Federation. I sent him a note, and I said, what's going on with this mandated testing of avian influenza and cows across the board? Well, it's not costing them any money, and we're just going to verify that this is not a serious problem in the industry, then we'll move away from it. And I said, Greg, I want to take you back to December 28, 2003. It was a major day for me as it relates to the government and controlling of food and doesn't care what it costs. Ann Veneman, speaking at a press conference, who was then the Secretary of Agriculture for the United States Department of Agriculture – Ann Veneman had a press conference and said that in an abundance of caution, we will remove all critical material from a beef animal because, for those that may not remember, 2003, December 2003, we had what we called the cow that stole Christmas. That was a cow that tested positive for bovine spongiform encephalopathy, BSE, in the state of Washington. And so what happened as a result of that, Kim, is that Ann Veneman put in place a new rule that cost the industry $150 per head to do. And guess how long that went into play before it was rescinded and they no longer did it.
SPEAKER 15 :
You said that was 2003?
SPEAKER 21 :
Correct.
SPEAKER 15 :
Six months?
SPEAKER 21 :
It's still in play today. Oh, okay. So once a government regulation, something in an abundance of caution, is put into play on behalf of the government, you can't show me where they ever take it away. What does that mean? What does that mean to the consumer? It means that we have continued artificial cost in getting the food from our farms to our grocery stores to our consumers today. What are they doing in Australia where we're now importing a record? I'm not picking on Australia. I'm just giving a point, even better yet. What are they doing in Brazil, another place where we've accelerated our importing of beef? Are they removing the specified risk material of every animal in Brazil and importing it into this country? We don't really know. And yet we require this threshold of hurdles in the name of protecting the consumer from what? We just have a government that's completely out of control and continuing to pile costs, which brings me back to my biggest gripe that's ending the calendar year 2024 in the agricultural world. We're now approaching a $45 billion trade deficit in agricultural imports versus our exports. And what I said is we're importing $45 billion more agricultural products than we're exporting. We are a resource nation. Exactly how can that be?
SPEAKER 15 :
Oh, my. Well, we know this. Okay. The PBIs that are in charge, they do not want people to be entrepreneurs. They want people to be relying on government. You're an American rancher and farmer. They are the epitome of the entrepreneur. And so it seems like they are on the very front line of all this regulatory and legislative attacks. And in doing so, it's crazy that we have an import deficit on food products. I guess, okay, let me back up.
SPEAKER 21 :
Forty-five billion, Kim. Forty-five billion.
SPEAKER 15 :
Okay. I do find it, though, amazing that it can be December in Colorado, and I can go and get avocados and blueberries and oranges. So I do think that that's pretty cool. But $45 billion, I can't get my brain around this. I don't quite understand how this can be happening.
SPEAKER 21 :
We're importing a record number of amount of beef into the United States right now that we've ever imported. But it comes back to one thing. Do you know how many miles the average food travels from production to consumption in the United States alone? No. 2,000 miles. Hmm. In contrast... In 1992, when the Soviet Union busted up and those, what was it, nine countries, I believe, all like Latvia, Ukraine, they all achieved their own individual status. The average food mile at that time when that country broke up into individual countries was 50 miles. If you can't see that our food miles puts us in a vulnerable situation, look, 80% of all produce grown in the United States is grown in the valleys of California. I was literally on a strawberry farm in Chino, California one day, and they were picking strawberries. They were packaging them right in the field, putting them in a crate, and that night that crate was going to LAX. It was in the bottom of a commercial flight. The next day, those strawberries were consumed in New York City. Well, that's tremendous as long as that infrastructure holds itself. But when you have restrictions in fuel, when you continue to make fuel more expensive and harder to come by, how are you going to continue that? We've become very vulnerable. Exactly. We've become so vulnerable. And quite frankly, when you start putting it on a plane and bringing it from L.A., if you can put it on a plane and bring it from Buenos Aires cheaper – People are going to do it. The market is going to go to where the lowest hanging fruit is, pun intended. And that's exactly what's happening. We are importing food because they have less restrictions in other countries and less cost to get it to the consumer. That's, at the end of the day, what's happening.
SPEAKER 15 :
And it's the PBIs, it's the rules and regulations and taxes and fees and all that that's making the American product more expensive. This is in from a listener. Let's take this question, then we'll go to break. It says, Trent, what needs to happen so that Americans and American companies own these processing plants and own more ranches and farms rather than foreign entities? I know that's a loaded question. What would you say to that?
SPEAKER 21 :
Well, I think that's a great question because if you look at all of the recent investment in American agriculture and food, it's not domestic investment that's happening. It's foreign investment. And I had a situation last week from Japanese folks coming into Illinois looking at buying corn with a lower carbon intensity score. We didn't even know how to generate a carbon intensity score. Now, all of a sudden this week, I see Japan is talking about investing in American agriculture again. We have such a limiting factor. And look at what BlackRock, BlackRock, who now I understand is maybe going to be purchased by the Israel Sovereign Fund. And BlackRock owns eight to 10 percent of all of these food companies like Tyson Foods. That's a BlackRock driven company. John Deere is a BlackRock driven company, along with Bill Gates, the largest independent owner. You have all these people who do not care about the United States citizen who continue to come to the forefront.
SPEAKER 15 :
So what do we do about that? How can we get well?
SPEAKER 21 :
There's one easy answer. Where do you spend your money? Do you go spend your money at Lavaca Meats? Or do you go to Walmart and buy products as cheaply as you possibly can? Because Walmart does not care about where it is produced. While Walmart does own part of this 51% of this plant that I'm talking about that's opening in North Platte, Nebraska, for the most part, they import those products because they can import them cheaper. So the consumer absolutely is the driver in this scenario. But I am continually told it takes too much time to go buy from people that I know and trust. I just have to be convenient. That convenience... is driving us to an imported food nation. No different than we are with steel, than we are with lumber, than we are with textiles. 87% of all textiles, all clothing is made outside of the United States. And at one point in time, great state of Colorado. And look at the western slope and all the sheep and the merino sheep and the wool industry that was there is gone because we went to the store to buy the cheapest product instead of buying from somebody who has our interest at heart.
SPEAKER 15 :
But that is innately the consumer. And to be fair, people, of course, I think it's all connected, but people are being so squeezed because of taxes and fees and government-induced inflation that some people have to make that choice for the cheapest, best product that they can purchase, Trent.
SPEAKER 21 :
Yeah, I agree 100%. That's why I bring it back to the testing of avian influenza in dairy cows. That's why I bring it back to the bovine sponge form of cephalopathy example from 2003. And I just looked it up because I wanted to have my own data. The steel industry in the United States imported in 2014, 10 years ago already, the steel industry imported 39 million tons of steel today. and exported 11 million tons. We're following the same path of so many industries before us. We've got to get back to maintaining the people and the skill set that we have to take care of these resources and produce the essentials of life for mankind, domestic, here at home.
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And welcome back to The Kim Monson Show. Be sure and check out our website. That is KimMonson, M-O-N-S-O-N.com. Sign up for our weekly email newsletter. You can email me at Kim at KimMonson.com as well. Thank you to all of you who support us. We're an independent voice and we search for truth and clarity by looking at these issues through the lens of freedom versus force, force versus freedom. If something's a good idea, you shouldn't have to force people to do it. And I so thank the Harris family for their gold sponsorship of the show. They've been with us since the beginning, and I really appreciate it. We'll be starting our seventh year of solo broadcasting at the beginning of 2025. And also a nonprofit that I really support is the Center for American Values and would highly recommend that you take the children. down to Pueblo sometime over Christmas break. And you can enjoy the great restaurants there on the Riverwalk, but also at the Center for American Values. It's a very reverent place to be with looking at these portraits of valor of our Medal of Honor recipients. And of course, get that little quote book of Medal of Honor recipients as well. That website is AmericanValuesCenter.org, AmericanValuesCenter.org. On the line with me is Trent Luce, sixth generation farmer and rancher. And we're Taking calls, that number is 303-477-5600. And we have Ginny on the line. Ginny, what's on your radar?
SPEAKER 11 :
Good morning, Trenton, Tim. There's a lot on my radar, but let's just start with this. Let's go back to 92, Daddy Bush signed on to Agenda 21. Bill Clinton then put in Executive Order 12852, saying, So what we need to do is to create sustainable development in the U.S. So the first thing or second thing that Trump needs to do is to reverse that executive order that takes us off and out of the game of sustainable development. And then we start defunding all these NGOs. So the U.S. out of the U.N. and the U.N. out of the U.S., So, you know, we go back to the Hegelian dialectic. They create the problem. We suffer. They have the solution. Well, Trent is talking about meat production and all our food supply being reduced. Well, just recently at this COP 29, the U.N. speakers declare war on farmers. Producers of meat and dairy should pay for the damage they cause to the climate. So they're calling for a meat tax. So now it comes down to me personally, over 100 years of homestead land in southeast Colorado. Trent mentioned that they abandoned the line coming through Oklahoma. How will that affect the connectivity up into southeast Colorado? Because right now, my 96-year-old fighting aunt and my brother are trying to fight against All the other ranchers in the area which see this as a windfall for them because now they can't make a living ranching. So my brother and my 96-year-old aunt are trying to fight against ranchers who have short lot syndrome, and plus that transmission line will go directly through our homestead down there. So how will this affect us up here in – Colorado. Because wasn't that line also to connect into Elbert County? That's the thing. This transmission, none of the electricity that's generated out there stays into the area. And what is it? A third of it is at least lost in transmission.
SPEAKER 15 :
There's a lot there, and she's super informed. What about that? I was thinking that same question. If they're not going to let that transmission line go through Oklahoma, then does that mean that the one in Colorado is dead in the water as well?
SPEAKER 21 :
So there's no message about that yet, but, Jenny, thanks for bringing that up because I was going to mention it before. I would, even though there's no indication that that's the case, It would stand to reason that if they cave in Oklahoma, they should be able to cave in Colorado. But do not overlook Jenny's point about people who are willing to sign up to take the dollars. And why are people willing to sign up to take the dollars? All of the reasons we talked about before. We have a government that has created such an unsustainable scenario, despite the terms of sustainability by Bill Clinton or whoever else said it. created such an unsustainable, high property tax, high input costs, two families working. They look at this as a lifeline when, in fact, it's not a lifeline. It is the final nail in the coffin if you cave and take money from any of these projects. And how we explain that, I'm not sure. But what I do know, Jenny, is that if we get enough from one of the counties that are involved in this transmission line, We'll get the same result that we've gotten in Oklahoma, and we absolutely need to do that. The only other thing I'm going to take issue with you on is that Donald Trump coming in, if he truly wants to be a constitutional president, instead of going back and reversing those executive orders you mentioned about sustainability, he should say executive orders are not constitutional. I hereby disagree.
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ban all of them we will have zero input from the past executive orders and there will be no new ones and that will fix virtually everything yeah that is uh that's really important we had some um i wanted to try to get to some of these uh text lines as well um okay first question did trince say over 1700 kilowatt hours to mine one bitcoin is that what you said Whoops. Did we lose him there? Okay. Okay. Let's continue on here. Okay. Let's see. So Joe, just confirm with me that we're on here.
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HR1 Rush To Reason December 17, 2024 by John Rush
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Are you crazy? Am I? Or am I so sane that you just blew your mind?
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It's Rush to Reason with your host, John Rush. Presented by High Five Plumbing, Heating, and Cooling, where every call ends with a high five.
SPEAKER 12 :
All right. Happy Tuesday, everybody. Rush to Reason, Denver's Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560. Myself, Andy Pate, Charlie Grimes. And how is Andy as we get down this home stretch to Christmas?
SPEAKER 14 :
Andy's doing pretty well. Andy is getting ready for Christmas. I'm pretty close. How about you?
SPEAKER 12 :
You know, winding down, checking off those few little things left to do. And for me, on the business end of things, this is the last full business week of the year. So my end of the year is Friday, basically. Are you pretty pressed?
SPEAKER 14 :
I would think a lot. You see, I think that's common, though, John. I think a lot of people are really busy. And this is one reason that I think there are a lot of mental health issues at this time of year. Now, obviously, there's those who are feeling lonely, right? Where's my family?
SPEAKER 12 :
It's very pressured this time of year, Andy.
SPEAKER 14 :
But also, it's high pressure. You're trying to get in so many things before the end of the year and also before Christmas.
SPEAKER 12 :
Absolutely. All right, question of the day yesterday. Who wrote, Christmas doesn't come from a store. Maybe Christmas perhaps means a little bit more. Charlie, anyone? Dr. Seuss. Said that.
SPEAKER 14 :
Well, I thought it was going to be one of the people Biden's pardoning.
SPEAKER 12 :
Well, that could be, too.
SPEAKER 14 :
I'm just saying. But there's so many. Never mind.
SPEAKER 12 :
But really quick before the next question of the day. OK. Some of the people that he has pardoned are absolute scum, Andy. Absolute scum.
SPEAKER 14 :
How about three Chinese spies? How about people who.
SPEAKER 12 :
How about Chinese spies that on top of that are addicted to child porn and the abuse of children and so on that top that one off?
SPEAKER 14 :
Well, you know, his son needs a group to get together with.
SPEAKER 12 :
It's a groupie thing? Yeah, it's a groupie thing. A groupie pardon?
SPEAKER 14 :
Oh, yeah.
SPEAKER 12 :
Unbelievable. All right, today's impossible question. In the old days, women in England. I don't know what the old days means. I don't know how long ago this was. But in the old days. Last week. Women in England who wanted to find a husband ate what at Christmas for good luck? Any idea, Charlie? He has no idea. Andy? What did they eat at Christmas for good luck? To find a man.
SPEAKER 14 :
Well, now they eat chocolate any time of the year, and they don't need them anymore.
SPEAKER 12 :
Charlie said peppermint. Nope, wrong answer. I would have never guessed this, so... Okay, I got nothing. Okay, those of you that may know the answer... Mistletoe. That way it's always there. It's always there. So you have to kiss her. Answer that on the social media page, Rush to Reason. Don't forget, we also need Christmas song requests for Christmas Day. A lot of you... By the way, as a reminder, like that day. So if you like that day and there are special requests for songs you want to hear on Christmas Day, you need to make that known. Let us be aware of that.
SPEAKER 14 :
It's helpful.
SPEAKER 12 :
It helps Charlie a lot. No, Charlie said mistletoe is poisonous, by the way. I didn't know that. Oh, well, don't do that, ladies. All right, before we get rolling, we've got a special guest joining us here at 315. Prior to that, though, some of you out there may have seen this. I happened to see it because one of you as listeners sent me the original video of where the round earther was going to take four flat earthers. to Antarctica to watch the solstice, where the sun is up for 24 hours. It literally just circles the horizon, because that's what it does this time of year, because we live on a globe, proving we're not on a flat Earth. So there was a... offer to flat earthers where i didn't realize this trip was this expensive it was 35 grand a piece per to bring these four flat earthers along with this and he brought some other folks that were you know guys like us that believe in a sphere world anyways brought them to really show them that yes in fact this is a real place no there's not an ice wall and yes we do live on a globe and one of them in viewing all of this, and he's one of the biggest Flat Earth proponents, has a huge following, podcast, the whole nine yards, YouTube, et cetera. He actually, in his own words, literally when you look at him and they're interviewing him as this is happening, he was up for 24 hours straight, and he's dumbfounded. He is like, I guess I've been wrong.
SPEAKER 14 :
No kidding.
SPEAKER 12 :
I am sorry. Okay. I'm going to have to basically go back to the drawing board, I guess, because I can't answer what I just saw.
SPEAKER 14 :
Did he also confess that two and two equals four?
SPEAKER 12 :
He didn't get into that, but you can tell by looking at him that he was extremely perplexed Because his whole, I mean, some of these people, Andy, as you know, their whole almost faith system is built upon this whole flat earth nonsense.
SPEAKER 01 :
They're crazy.
SPEAKER 12 :
Back it up with Scripture and all sorts of other things, which they're misusing Scripture when they do, which, by the way, is very heretical in and of itself. So the reality is if you're one of those that's a Christian that believes in a flat earth and you use Scripture for that, you're a dodo head. Sorry, you just are, because there is nothing in Scripture that talks about a flat earth, period. In fact, quite the opposite. Right. It's quite the opposite. If you really read Scripture, you'll figure that out. So don't take what some wackadoodle out on YouTube or TikTok or Facebook is talking about a flat earth, because they are literally wackadoodles. And one of them went from being a wackadoodle to our side, Andy.
SPEAKER 14 :
Let me ask you something, you know, at this time of year. What would be easier for Santa? A globe? Or a flat plane? Probably flat Earth. I mean, really, though?
SPEAKER 12 :
Probably cover more ground, couldn't you? I don't know.
SPEAKER 14 :
Now, do flat earthers believe that there is just... Stackable. Do flat earthers believe that there's only people on one side of it, or they believe people are on the other side of it?
SPEAKER 12 :
They have a whole different view of how the continents are laid out in the whole nine yards. If you look at a flat earth map with the ice wall, it's very weird.
SPEAKER 14 :
Okay, but we're all faced up then.
SPEAKER 12 :
Correct.
SPEAKER 14 :
Okay, so what do they think is on the other side?
SPEAKER 12 :
We're on sort of a sphere where the bottom side is still very deep so that when we drill and do things like that, that's their explanation to, you know, being able to go down several miles into the earth and even the trenches that we have that are deep in the ocean and so on. That's their explanation.
SPEAKER 14 :
But why wouldn't we venture to the other side just for the heck of it? I mean, we are explorers. We have jets.
SPEAKER 12 :
Well, they don't believe we've ever been in outer space, these same people, Andy. They think all that's a myth. They think that's all made up by NASA.
SPEAKER 14 :
But you wouldn't have to go there. John, you wouldn't have to go to outer space. All you'd have to do, it doesn't matter if there's an ice wall, you take a jet. A jet goes over an ice wall.
SPEAKER 12 :
Well, we have a firmament that keeps us in. This is not me speaking. The firmament keeps us in. Yeah, the firmament keeps us in. Which, by the way, the firmament went away during the flood, just so you all know. All you flat earthers, again, if you're really going to go with Scripture on this, go look up the flood and what happened and what God talks about in relation to the firmament we had prior to that that surrounded the whole globe, by the way. Right, and then the waters from beneath and above, yeah. That's right. So we had one of those prior. By the way, that's why men lived to be almost 1,000 years back then, because they didn't have the UV rays and all of the other things that we have environmentally speaking prior to that.
SPEAKER 14 :
You know, John, that's one of the things that made it hard for me as an atheist was the ridiculous amount of evidence for a global flood. It was just like after a while. It's huge. Yeah, Ken Ham always called it, okay, there are billions of dead things buried in rock layers laid down by water all over the world.
SPEAKER 12 :
So that's one thing I've never asked a flat earther is how do they, because a lot of these people are Christians. Yeah. How do they explain the flood, Andy?
SPEAKER 14 :
Well, they don't believe in that flood. Who knows? They don't believe in it. They probably believe in a localized flood, which is ludicrous because why did God send the rainbow was to promise he would never do that again. That's right. But he sent lots of localized floods, so he lied. Okay.
SPEAKER 12 :
None of the theories hold up, Andy.
SPEAKER 14 :
Okay, here's what I want to ask before we go to break. Yeah. Why are so many of these, and I'm going to, can I use the word kook? Yeah. Why are so many of these kooks on the right? I don't know.
SPEAKER 12 :
Well, because we've got a guest joining us, we've got a couple minutes. Let me explain what I think.
SPEAKER 14 :
Okay.
SPEAKER 12 :
Number one, we tend to feel, number one, a ton of mistrust for government, which I get. That's fair. I am one of those. I don't trust government either. Now, I'm not willing to go out on some of these kooky, you know, wackadoodle beliefs and so on just because I don't trust government. I haven't trusted government for a very long time. I still don't go off on some of these tangents and believing some weird stuff that doesn't exist and isn't real. Right. Now, also, I do understand, though, Andy, that because of that distrust, if you would, they're looking for other things that they can have faith, I guess, in. And unfortunately for a lot of these Christians that claim to be flat earthers, their faith is in the wrong spot. They're looking for physical faith versus the spiritual faith we all have in our Lord. Right. By the way, they're replacing him, I believe, with a different kind of faith. Shame on them.
SPEAKER 14 :
Well, they replace them with a lot of wacky theories.
SPEAKER 12 :
Correct.
SPEAKER 14 :
It's not just flat earth.
SPEAKER 12 :
Oh, no, it's all sorts of stuff. Yeesh. Talk a little bit about that. If you guys want to listen to the New Year's Day podcast for NCR, we get into some of this because we recorded it today, actually, a little insight, and we talk about some of that, Andy, in that way. And it really is amazing to me how many conservative Christians— believe in some of these whole, you know, wackadoodle things like aliens and spaceships and there's underwater cities and on and on we go. And it's just utter, absolute nonsense, Andy.
SPEAKER 14 :
You know, I just worry about Santa crashing into the ice wall. That would be terrible.
SPEAKER 12 :
Could happen. Reindeer all over the place. In their world, that could happen. Broken reindeer. That's the other thing I've never understood about flat earthers is how do you explain... Because we do know there are two places, north and south, pole-wise. They're both very, very cold. Well, they're not poles. They're walls. I don't know how they explain the center one, you know, the... I guess in their world—let me think about this. I think I can explain it, because they believe the sun travels around the ice wall, and it's traveling around us. We're not traveling around the sun. The sun's traveling around us, and it's much smaller than what we actually believe it is. Is it held up by a drone? Might be. Okay. With wires. Okay, got it. Flying around. Anyways, they believe the sun circles around the flat Earth, so I guess the center then would naturally be colder. But I don't know how they explain the ice wall and not melting when the sun's actually closer there— Again, none of it to me makes any sense. I try. Literally, I try, people. I do. I try to be compassionate towards those that are very foolish in their beliefs, but I struggle, Andy. I will say one last thing.
SPEAKER 14 :
When have flat earthers ever taken round earthers to the North Pole or the South Pole to prove their theory and had round earthers say, my gosh, you're right?
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All right, we are back. Rush to Reason, Denver's Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560. Myself, Andy Pate, Todd Watkins joining us now. Todd, welcome. How are you, sir?
SPEAKER 15 :
I am well. Thank you very much.
SPEAKER 12 :
Always nice to have you. All right, give us an update on our illustrious local Colorado GOP.
SPEAKER 15 :
Well, let's see. They've retained a An attorney, I guess he just got admitted to the bar in September is my understanding. A fellow named Matt Arnold.
SPEAKER 12 :
Very familiar with Matt.
SPEAKER 15 :
We are very familiar with Matt Arnold.
SPEAKER 12 :
Yes.
SPEAKER 14 :
I think I'm glad to hear that.
SPEAKER 12 :
And you can tell that there's not a lot of excitement in our voice on that one, Todd.
SPEAKER 14 :
I think it's hilarious. Matt Arnold to run their corruption committee.
SPEAKER 12 :
The guy that probably could be the poster child for is now going to run it.
SPEAKER 15 :
I think it's hilarious. Well, it takes one to know one, right?
SPEAKER 12 :
Literally.
SPEAKER 15 :
My goodness. Anyway. So, yeah, he's the head of the corruption. That was an unforced error, huh? Head of the corruption committee. And the first order of business is to come after Nancy, me, Eli. I believe Christy Ruckus is actually on their team.
SPEAKER 14 :
in their on their target also look here's the thing uh todd we'll get to i know you're calling in on another topic but really quick this is a hit squad yeah okay he's going to chair and this is amazing because we got to keep in mind the uh colorado republican party and you were there when they were talking about it at the colorado republican party headquarters they launched rhino watch which Which is a hit site. We're talking... This has never been done before, okay, folks? In fact, I'm not just saying Colorado. I don't know a state where the Republican Party... has put together a hit site and a hit squad and lawyers and spent $100,000 on lawyers to attack everybody. But long story short, I have never seen a Republican Party heading up any state, Todd, that has put together all of these teams and squads and things to simply go after Republicans they don't like.
SPEAKER 12 :
Right. People they don't like.
SPEAKER 15 :
Well, and I mean, to Andy's point, I mean, that's what this, you know, corruption committee is. Correct.
SPEAKER 12 :
Right.
SPEAKER 15 :
It's just kind of part and parcel with the whole Rhino Watch thing. I mean, I was there when it was conceived, when it was stood up. I've got emails announcing it, you know, hey, we're looking for content, almost ready to launch, and kind of some of the metrics behind it, how many people saw it, how many people opened it, etc. I can tell you exactly who's involved with it and prove it.
SPEAKER 14 :
Yeah, and they put people like Heidi Ganahl on their wall of shame. She was our governor candidate. Anyway.
SPEAKER 12 :
Before you move on, one question I've got, Todd, because it probably might even layer into what you're going to talk about next, but I just have a question because in the article that I read where they were talking about Matt Arnold now coming on and becoming part of this, you know, head of this corruption committee, they talked about how in relation to you and the lawsuit and so on, They have spent hundreds, over $100,000 defending all of that. Now, Todd, again, I'm a business guy. I've been involved in different sorts of suits over the years with the business that I have. Different things happen, and sometimes you end up even in trial, depending upon what the situation might be and so on. Granted, mine involved probably more insurance than other things. But regardless... The cost of the attorneys is probably roughly the same. And Todd, I will tell you that even some cases where it may take two years dragging certain things out to get all of your fact-finding done, I have never in my life seen a bill that big on the legal side. Am I wrong?
SPEAKER 15 :
I agree. I was on the law enforcement side, so I'm allergic to lawyers. It sounds a bit exorbitant.
SPEAKER 12 :
Well, really quick, so for all of you listening, so you know where I'm coming from. I took just $100,000, Todd, divided it by... Five hundred dollars an hour, which, by the way, is a very high priced lawyer. And I don't I know the firm that they're using. And if they're five hundred an hour, it's way overcharged for what I feel is the experience level there. And I wouldn't pay them five hundred dollars an hour. But let's just say, in fact, they did. That's roughly, I think I did the math. It's roughly, let me do it again because I did this last night in the elevator on my way down. I apologize. Normally I've got this off the top of my head. If you take that number really quick, 100,000, and we divide that by 500 an hour, 200 hours they would have had to spend, Todd, on your particular case, which I guarantee you has not happened.
SPEAKER 15 :
It seems a stretch. I'd also like to point out that they're the ones that started the legal proceedings. They're defending what they're defending against. We're attacking.
SPEAKER 12 :
Yeah, they attack. That's right. Good point. No, no, really good point. And my point, for all of you listening that are on that side, because I know a lot of you that are on that side, listen to me. You're being snowed. You're being, you know, your money that's going to the GOP is being used for this nonsense, and they have spent that money. I've seen it on the FEC reports. And, Todd, either something nefarious is going on, and there's money back-channeling in some places that it shouldn't be, or else these guys at the law firm are just crooks. I don't know which.
SPEAKER 15 :
lining their pockets that's for sure i i've been told that they have the state party has six accounts and i couldn't tell you if all of those are actually reported you know to fec or to the secretary of state and i don't know which pot of money
SPEAKER 12 :
They're paying the Dave Piggott law firm out of... Well, I tracked $60K worth on the FEC report, and I didn't go back far enough, so there very easily could be the other $40K that they're... Regardless, they're claiming publicly that they spent $100K on this, and I just want to know where the money's at, because that's way too much for what they've got.
SPEAKER 14 :
Look, let me take us a step back here. Here's the bottom line, okay, Todd? They are spending all this money on lawsuits because they're being attacked from all corners of the Republican Party here in Colorado. And the question is, OK, why are they being attacked? And the answer is very simple, because right from the outset, when Dave took power. He has been abusing power and attacking fellow Republicans. And all people like you and Eli and us and Natalie and everybody, all we've been asking of the state party is this.
SPEAKER 12 :
Accountability.
SPEAKER 14 :
Will you please stop attacking Republicans?
SPEAKER 12 :
Well...
SPEAKER 15 :
i mean my gosh they're working for republicans that's their job keyword todd that andy said a moment ago dave took power yeah dave didn't take accountability for leadership and there's two big differences there right well he's not a leader he has zero leadership uh qualities i've seen nothing of leadership in him all i have seen is just the uh it just abject, uh, power mongering. That's all I've seen.
SPEAKER 12 :
Me too. Well, I've been calling it out for a very long time now.
SPEAKER 14 :
Um, should we, before the break or after?
SPEAKER 12 :
Keep going.
SPEAKER 14 :
We're going to keep going. Well, um, for those who don't know, you were part of a, um, a meeting that happened on X and, uh, there was a lot of people were invited onto this and that was by Natalie Tennant. She does a great job and they were, Natalie's going to be calling in by way next Monday. Okay. Um, And they were on there. You were discussing a whole different issue that was happening in Douglas County about whether they needed to appoint another commissioner. And I don't I don't want to get into that. But a lot of people were invited to come on the call. And one of those people happened to be a guy named Chavez, Anthony Chavez.
SPEAKER 12 :
Who we'd never heard of, by the way.
SPEAKER 14 :
Who we'd never heard of. It just happens that this guy, apparently, he helped cure some ballads in a close election. And therefore, he got an invite. And he came and he asked some tough questions. Later, he sent, apparently, some emails or messages.
SPEAKER 12 :
Tweets. Tweets.
SPEAKER 14 :
Okay, so some tweets at the state party that were incredibly threatening, and they were. They were. And he made himself a viable threat. He was a real threat, and they had to call the cops on him, which they did.
SPEAKER 12 :
Now, I'm not defending this guy, but he did come out afterwards and say, that's not what I meant. I was using some... Yeah, he backed... Metaphors and things along those lines. I'm not sure I believe all of that. But regardless, he backed way off of those right afterwards. I think once he realized, oh, crap, I probably shouldn't have said the things that I said. But regardless, Todd, he backed away from that. And what we're seeing now from the state party is they feel threatened for their lives daily.
SPEAKER 14 :
Yeah, and since then, the state party, and we're talking about Dave and Hope mainly, Dave put out an email, Hope put out a whole slew of posts on Facebook. She and I got into it again a number of times. Bottom line, they say this. that the reason this guy did this is because of people like you, Todd.
SPEAKER 12 :
Because of you, Todd.
SPEAKER 14 :
Because you had this meeting. And therefore, you are responsible for everybody who signs into a meeting. Right. And if anybody who signs into any meeting that you do...
SPEAKER 12 :
And comes out of there unhappy and threatens it's your fault. Right.
SPEAKER 14 :
And it's because you are, and here's the big thing, Dave, Todd, Dave is saying that because you're critical of the state party.
SPEAKER 12 :
Well, one step further, and you instituted a coup, direct words that they put into the newsletter.
SPEAKER 14 :
Yeah, because you did a coup. In other words, because you tried to remove them from power. Which, by the way, thank you for doing that. It needs to be done. That simply by doing that, by trying to remove them from power, you incited violence. You incited these kinds of people, like this Anthony Chavez. You caused this. You were fomenting violence by doing this, Todd.
SPEAKER 12 :
So what say you, Todd?
SPEAKER 14 :
What do you say, Todd?
SPEAKER 15 :
They sound like AOC, the squad. I get... I get flashes of Maxine Waters here, especially what's, you know, the last two days I've been accosted by this woman down here at the gym.
SPEAKER 14 :
At the gym.
SPEAKER 15 :
Who is a, you know, she's part of Vicki Tonkin's inner circle, Dave Williams' devotee, although she's not part of the state central committee. And she's come up to me and, you know, hollered at me, you need to stop talking now. speaking out about the state GOP because you're going to get people killed. It's your fault that this happened.
SPEAKER 14 :
Okay, now wait, she says this to you while you're at the gym? Yeah, working out.
SPEAKER 12 :
Unreal.
SPEAKER 14 :
Does she at least give you a spot to help you out?
SPEAKER 12 :
That's crazy. I mean, honestly, Todd, this is how loony these people have become because literally what they're doing is exactly what the left does when they want things shut down. They will accuse things of not being the way they are. In fact, they'll accuse others of doing what they do.
SPEAKER 14 :
Yeah, it's straight out of Saul Alinsky. Yep. Absolutely. I mean, Todd, how are they any different than the Democrats saying that Trump was inciting violence by saying that he was robbed of the election? Trump never told... Trump told people to march peaceably and patriotically. He never told anybody to, you know, break through windows and doors. Trump did not incite violence in any way, shape, or form. There was no insurrection. He didn't do that, right? But the left says his free speech... was dangerous to them. The state party is saying that your free speech is dangerous to them. How are they different? Correct.
SPEAKER 15 :
That is exactly what is happening. And I want to stress that this woman didn't say, stop telling lies. stop attacking. She said, stop speaking out against the state GOP. I'm to hold my tongue because they don't like what I'm saying. I hope she thinks about what it was that she said, because I think that was a bit of a Freudian slip.
SPEAKER 12 :
Todd, these are what cults do, by the way, because any time you start calling out the leader of the cult, the members of said cult will call you on the carpet for doing exactly that.
SPEAKER 14 :
Correct, because if the leader is wrong, they're wrong. Yep. What they're doing right now is, first of all, they're playing the victim. And don't get me wrong, I believe that this guy made himself a legit threat and needed to have the cops called on him, which they did. I'm cool with that. But they went beyond that to weaponize their victimhood to try to silence all of their critics. And so now what they're saying... is they're telling their people, anyone who criticizes us is endangering us. All because of one guy, by the way. There haven't been a flood of these people. One guy. And by the way, at that meeting, none of you ever said one single solitary word calling for violence, right, Todd? Oh, absolutely not.
SPEAKER 15 :
In fact, the vast majority of the airtime was between Hope Scheppelman and and this Anthony Chavez guy, whose name, by the way, I did not know until the next morning when Dave accused us of conspiring with him.
SPEAKER 14 :
And how was the meeting, really quick, how was the tenor of the meeting? Was it confrontational or was it... just pretty blah. Honestly, it was kind of a sleeper. Okay.
SPEAKER 12 :
So it wasn't like this, you know, rah, rah, cheer, let's get things handled, let's get these guys out of office, blah, blah, blah.
SPEAKER 14 :
Did you hand out torches and pitchforks?
SPEAKER 15 :
Hope went on there, and actually, there's an article Jimmy Sangenberger wrote.
SPEAKER 11 :
I saw it.
SPEAKER 15 :
I think it was published today that does great synopsis of That meeting. It was a lot of hope was went into kind of a mea culpa. You know, there are things that have happened that I need to take ownership for. And I just want to patch things up. And she was asked at the end, you know, are you happy with this? Oh, this is great. Would you come back? We do another one. Will you come back? So absolutely, I will come back. I think I think we got we made some progress here. Boy, she took a different turn the next day after that guy went off. And now it happened in the meeting. Well, you can't have it both ways, Hope.
SPEAKER 12 :
So question I've gotten. This is just me. This isn't Andy or anybody else. This isn't even KLZ. This is just me asking a question from, you know me, Todd. I'm kind of a common sense driven, you know, blue collar kind of a guy. If I didn't know any better. And I didn't trust the current leadership, which it's not, the power brokers, I should say, at the Colorado GOP, which I do not. I would almost say this guy was a plant.
SPEAKER 15 :
You know, I would halfway agree, except a couple other people said that they – well, they knew him. So could somebody on the state party side have – encouraged him or you know to get on there or groomed him for this purpose who knows but if he was he would he not have disrupted the the call though i i'm My gut tells me he acted completely on his own. Well, yeah, but here's... Maybe a little unstable.
SPEAKER 14 :
But, Todd, I mean, if he was planning on... Look, if what they wanted was victimhood so that they could weaponize it, which is what they've done. They're weaponizing their victimhood to try to silence dissent, okay? If they were planning on that, then they need to be victims of something, which means that they would have planned to have this guy threaten them all along. And so all they needed was a setting for him to attend where you guys were.
SPEAKER 12 :
To put the blame on.
SPEAKER 14 :
So that they could attach him to you.
SPEAKER 12 :
Point of blame.
SPEAKER 15 :
Well, I mean, he certainly could have attacked and threatened Hope on the meeting. She was right there.
SPEAKER 12 :
Yeah, but Todd, no offense, Todd. At the end of the day, though, that still doesn't accomplish what they want at the end of the day because what they got with this guy going out onto X and publicly displaying what his thoughts were, they had a much larger audience in all of that and now can blame you guys and the meeting that you had and me for being – Andy and I for being on the radio and saying the things that we say. I mean, collectively, we're all against them, and it's the reason why this guy did what he did.
SPEAKER 15 :
I mean, it's not outside the realm of possibilities. And, Todd, I only say that because I don't trust any of them.
SPEAKER 12 :
And I'm sorry, my brain doesn't think that way on the front side, but I could see this from the backside looking in, and I trust none of them in leadership at the Colorado GOP right now. Nothing would surprise me, not given what they just did with this last hire, by the way.
SPEAKER 14 :
Yeah, that's lunacy. Good point. True. My only thing that makes me question it, John, is... Really quick, by the way.
SPEAKER 12 :
Hang on tight. Real quick. Also, Todd, is it not super coincidental that we've got Arnold right after this? That is weird. Guys, come on now. I mean, really. I mean, again, I'm just a common old redneck. I know I don't have a lot of education and so on, but when you start looking at this in light of some of the things that I am saying and you start putting the piece of the puzzle together – You gotta wonder.
SPEAKER 14 :
Because the Arnold hire obviously did not just happen overnight. This is something they've been grooming.
SPEAKER 12 :
But they needed something to trigger it.
SPEAKER 14 :
Right, they needed something to trigger it, and now they can say, we are endangered.
SPEAKER 15 :
Well, he promised back in November that he was going to do something along the lines of this. Once the elections are over and before the new year, we're going to have a path forward to persecute you know, those who disagree with us. So I considered Matt Arnold to be part of that and was probably in the works since then.
SPEAKER 12 :
I thought, correct me if I'm wrong, the GOP, Colorado GOP, was complaining about, you know, the lack of funding and we couldn't do more to help our candidates because we just didn't have the money we needed and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, but yet we just added another hire and we've spent over $100,000 on lawyers.
SPEAKER 15 :
Right.
SPEAKER 12 :
What part am I missing, Todd?
SPEAKER 15 :
Obviously, someone's lying.
SPEAKER 12 :
Thank you. There you go. Thank you.
SPEAKER 15 :
That's the cop in me.
SPEAKER 12 :
I mean, thank you. I mean, I look at it the same way. It's like, wait a minute. You can't talk out of both sides of your mouth. You can't be broke and spend 100 grand plus on attorneys that, by the way, are either way over billing you or were being sold a bill of goods, although the FEC report shows a lot of money being spent with these particular attorneys or this particular law firm. And then, oh, by the way, we're going to also add another hire into the office right after the election.
SPEAKER 14 :
Well, we also have to keep in mind, and this is in the words of Mark Hampton, who is from Rhino Watch, Dave is going to do a purge. of people in the new year. He wants to purge people off, I guess, the SEC or purge dissenters. I forget exactly how he wants to do it. But Dave had come out and said, we're going to go after some of these people. We're going to, you know, we need help rooting out the problems and so forth. So as Mark Hampton says, and he's a huge ally of Dave, that they're going to do a purge. But Todd, aren't they in the meantime trying to purge dissenting voices by using the victimhood of this one kook?
SPEAKER 15 :
Well, yes, exactly. Also, in order to purge people from the state central committee, they need to rig basically 64 different organizational meetings in February.
SPEAKER 14 :
I wouldn't be surprised if they were not trying to infiltrate a lot of those. I'm sure they are, yeah. Right. There you go.
SPEAKER 12 :
Yeah, because my feeling is they just infiltrated the meeting you had not long ago. I'm going to stand by that because I don't trust these guys at all.
SPEAKER 15 :
I mean, we know they were there. We recognized at least five people.
SPEAKER 12 :
No, I meant you guys were set up is what I mean. Yeah. Sorry. When I started reading all of those things, my number one immediate reaction as I'm reading these tweets and I'm watching the newsletter that went out and I go do a little bit of tracking and I start reading what's going on, I'm thinking to myself, first of all, who is this guy? Never heard of him ever. And I've been around things for quite some time here in Colorado and interviewed all sorts of people, Todd. And I'm like, wait a minute, that guy's name does not ring a bell whatsoever. This guy is a patsy if I've ever seen one. And you guys were set up.
SPEAKER 14 :
And why was he using lingo like the health care shooter? I mean, come on. I have no idea.
SPEAKER 15 :
That's where I think he's, you know, he has some issues because there was a lot of non sequitur in his posts.
SPEAKER 14 :
It was ludicrous.
SPEAKER 12 :
And if I'm a Dave, and I'll close with this, if I'm Dave Williams, and I know there's somebody out there like this that really I don't even have to give a lot of instruction to, but just have them sort of quietly hang out knowing that most likely something is going to get triggered and they're going to do something like this afterwards, even if I don't have to say a lot to make that happen, and I know it's going to happen, I'm still going in that direction.
SPEAKER 15 :
Sure. I mean, the whole plan, if it is, as you say, where he you know, lurks and engages during the spoken part and then goes absolutely, you know, bonkers bananas on the written part. It's a stupid plan, if ever I've seen one. It just, the two do not comport. He was not that way on the spoken part. And then if he failed in his mission there and then tried to make up with it by going completely haywire in writing, It's such a turnabout. Right.
SPEAKER 12 :
Well, okay, so you being a cop.
SPEAKER 15 :
He's highly unstable or he failed and he's trying to make up.
SPEAKER 12 :
You being a cop, what's that old saying? If something doesn't smell quite right, it probably isn't. This one doesn't smell right, Todd.
SPEAKER 15 :
There's a professional term, hinky. This is very hinky.
SPEAKER 14 :
Okay. All I know is this, whether he was a plant or whether he just came out of the blue, the fact is that the state party has been using that one incident exactly as the Democrats used J6 for a couple years. Yeah, 100%.
SPEAKER 12 :
Sorry, I've got to throw this out there, guys. Who caused J6?
SPEAKER 15 :
The Dems?
SPEAKER 12 :
Thank you. I mean, I believe they did. I think there was a lot of insightful things going on with some folks with the letters FBI that had a lot to do with what was going on that day. There's been all sorts of things proven that these guys were there in plain clothes. You can spot them out of a crowd almost anywhere. How about Ray Epps? Yeah, Ray Epps. I mean, Todd, we can go down the list. So tell me if that happened over there, why is what I'm saying so far-fetched? And I've said it all and I'll keep saying it. If I didn't know any better, I would tell you Dave Williams is a dem plant.
SPEAKER 15 :
You're not the first to say that. Not the only one to say that, I don't think. I've heard that from a couple people.
SPEAKER 12 :
I've been saying that for a while now. Either way, he is their best tool.
SPEAKER 15 :
Right. Whether intentional or unintentional, he's doing the job.
SPEAKER 12 :
Correct. Todd, I'll leave it at that. You're always welcome to call in. Appreciate the update, sir.
SPEAKER 15 :
Yeah, appreciate it.
SPEAKER 12 :
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SPEAKER 12 :
All right, we are back, Rush to Reason, Denver's Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560. So let's, really quick, indulge me for a moment, all of you, when it comes to this whole, was this a particular situation where there was a setup involved in getting somebody to do something after the meeting, not during the meeting, but after the meeting, to then allow somebody the quote unquote leadership. And I put air quotes around it because they're not, but that allow those that are governing the GOP in Colorado right now to then go on attack like they're currently doing.
SPEAKER 14 :
Well, the reason you would think that's possible is the way that they have used it. They have literally seized on this, this one, you know, this tweet by this one guy, this Anthony Chavez, who none of us had heard of.
SPEAKER 12 :
I don't know him.
SPEAKER 14 :
I asked Eli Bremer. Have you heard of him? No. Todd, have you heard of him? No. Natalie, have you heard of him? No. Um, Nobody had even heard of him. Comes out of the blue and gives the state party the one thing. John, they're blasting it all over the state. We are at risk. I know. We are under threat. I know. And they're saying we will never.
SPEAKER 12 :
They're using this for everything they can.
SPEAKER 14 :
Yeah, we will never stop speaking up.
SPEAKER 12 :
Never let a crisis go to waste, Andy.
SPEAKER 14 :
Wow. Especially if you create the crisis.
SPEAKER 12 :
Now, here's, again, indulge me. And Andy was asking during the break, well, you know, how do you get a guy to do all of this knowing that when it's all said and done, he may very well be questioned by the cops? Simple, Andy. You find a person that literally is a little bit, and I don't know this for sure, so please just, again, indulge me, but you find somebody that maybe is a little bit out there on the edge. Okay. Where you realize that really all you have to do is get them to show up to a meeting, listen in a little bit, ask a few questions, and then afterwards just start poking them with the right buttons. Right. Boom, boom, boom, boom. where you know by doing so, they're now going to just flare up. And respond accordingly.
SPEAKER 14 :
No, I would think in the case of this guy, if he did it, they literally, he's working with them. Could be. Could be.
SPEAKER 12 :
Although, Andy, there's enough loons out there to where if you get the right person going, it doesn't take much to encourage that.
SPEAKER 14 :
I know, but his wording was so similar in some aspects to what the shooter said. Because he was saying things like, oh, no, he was like the subway guy. Right. Because he was saying, I've got bail money. I don't care. I know. In other words, I will do harm to you and I don't care about what happens to me because I can bail myself out. I can afford to have bail money. Yeah. And that's exactly what the subway shooter said. Correct. I mean, why would somebody. And that's a recent story. Repeat what the subway shooter basically said. I mean.
SPEAKER 12 :
You have to wonder, have they been coached? I don't know, Andy. And again, I'm not accusing. I don't know, folks. Please don't anybody out there say, well, John Rush said blah, blah. No, I'm just... No, we're not saying we know. Hypothetically speaking, could that be possible given what the current GOP leaders... Notice I'm not using leadership because they don't know how, but what the current leaders are doing with this.
SPEAKER 14 :
Right. And they keep using the exact same words that the Democrats used with Trump fomenting, inciting. OK, they're using the exact same words with this, with, you know, Eli and Todd and Natalie and so forth. They're using the exact same words with them that the Democrats used with Trump. They're using it exactly the same way. The Democrats did pretty well in 2022 off of J6. I mean, they were able to ride it that long.
SPEAKER 12 :
Right.
SPEAKER 14 :
I don't know.
SPEAKER 12 :
Again, folks, I don't either. It's just a theory. One thing's for sure. Can't back it up. I don't know.
SPEAKER 14 :
Well, the thing that makes it so bizarre, and I'll end it with this, is that there was absolutely nothing in the meeting, nor has there been anything that has been put out by Natalie and her group. You know, the people who tried to remove Dave? None of them have put out anything remotely violent in any way, shape or form.
SPEAKER 12 :
Nor have we here on air. The things that I've been talking about, by the way, long before anybody else got on that train. I just want to remind everybody, Andy and I were on this train. We started the train. And I literally am being very honest when I say this. Literally, it didn't take me more than about a month. After Dave took over chairman to start seeing through what was actually going on, and I was calling it out openly on air, some of the things that he was actually doing, I still am. And have I incited anything? No, I'm just calling the guy out for what he is. Yeah. A charlatan.
SPEAKER 14 :
I was worried immediately, and due to some other reasons, things I saw in meetings, his people were going out and bashing Christy Burton Brown. But... It was about a month after you were calling for him to step down than I was beginning to.
SPEAKER 12 :
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All right, we are back. A few seconds left of this particular hour. We've got two more hours coming your way, of course, so always remember that. And we've got a couple of guests we'll be interviewing over the next couple of hours as well. And then Andy and I, probably next hour, will be covering a little bit about the Democrat Party and have they lost the culture.
SPEAKER 14 :
They have lost the culture, and I want to talk about why. You know, what has happened to them where they have absolutely lost the culture? Because it used to be cool to be against Trump. Now it's cool to be with Trump.
SPEAKER 12 :
And this next guest, by the way, Harry Fisher, we're going to talk about, he has a book, Safe and Effective, for profit, a paramedic story exposing American genocide. Some of that, by the way, I believe, Andy, plays into some of what you're talking about as well, because people are finally waking up and they're fed up at the same time.
SPEAKER 14 :
Are you seeing a little COVID aftermath?
SPEAKER 12 :
A little bit. So we'll talk about that next hour. Don't go anywhere, folks. Rush to Reason, Denver's Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560.
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SPEAKER 16 :
All right, we are back. Rush to Reason, Denver's Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560. Myself, Andy Payton. Of course, Charlie Grimes, your engineer. Harry Fisher joining us now. As I said earlier, he would be author of Safe and Effective for Profit, a paramedic story exposing American genocide. Harry, welcome. How are you? Hey, doing well. Thank you for having me on. I appreciate it. By the way, you are in good company. We have been talking about some of these things literally since COVID has been going on. We've got a doctor, Dr. Kelly Victory. I don't know if you've heard of her, but she's been joining us literally every week and is on the front lines of a lot of what you are talking about. And I'm excited to hear from you, by the way, because it's not often we get to talk to somebody who's actually on the front lines, literally the way you are. So explain some of the things you actually saw.
SPEAKER 15 :
Yeah, Dr. Kelly, she's great people. I talked to her with Dr. Drew not too long ago. Absolutely, yes. Good, but I guess one of the first things that I saw was the fact that people were dying in the actual Pfizer lines. That was what started my whole process of trying to wake people up. I was called out to a scene where someone died after taking their shot, and the nurse there actually said this is the second one in two weeks. So as far as I know, in that one line, two people died within two weeks, but that's the only ones that I know. I mean, that never made front-page news. You didn't see that everywhere else. So there's no telling how many people died.
SPEAKER 16 :
To your point, Harry, as you know, that stuff didn't fit the narrative of what the politicians and I really feel like the Marxists, that didn't fit the narrative, so there was no way they were going to let the public know that.
SPEAKER 15 :
Oh, no, they're never going to let you know when they're killing you. I mean, at this point, I would love to say that it was an accident or just an experiment gone wrong. But whenever you start censoring people like me who are trying to go, hey, I'm on the front line trying to warn you, they're trying to kill you and you censor me, then that's intent. So they're trying to kill you. I mean, how do you say that nicer?
SPEAKER 03 :
Harry, did you notice a number of people in the medical community basically covering this up?
SPEAKER 15 :
I'm covering it up. They're just too scared to talk about it. Most of them are just way too scared. I mean, in the last three weeks, I've lost a job because I wouldn't give the COVID shots. And this is twenty twenty four. And they all see this happen. And even my friends that are in the field right now get a hold of me on the fly and they go, Harry, why do you keep talking about it? Well, because they're killing you and your family because they're still doing it. You don't have to take the shot anymore.
SPEAKER 16 :
Go ahead. No, no. What I'm saying is your answer is because they're still doing it. That's why. Yeah, because it's happening.
SPEAKER 15 :
I mean, they're not mandating it anymore, but... But they are.
SPEAKER 16 :
They're not mandating it, Harry, but I know. I've been around enough. I've got some situations going on in my own family with my folks. My mom recently passed. My dad's in memory care. And I can tell you just from being around more of that than I probably ever have been or, frankly, Harry, want to be. I'm a car guy, not a doctor. But I have seen and watched and heard things and been around things that, to your point, it's not that they're requiring it, but they're still heavily pushing it.
SPEAKER 15 :
then they are still actually requiring it. Yes, they are heavily pushing it to your point, but they are requiring it depending on where you're trying to get a job. Like I've tried to get a job since I recently got fired for not giving the shots. I tried to get a job and they told me, unless you have your shot and an up-to-date booster, we can't hire you. So even though they need people to the tune of paying way too much money for people, they still won't hire you unless you're up to date on your poisonous booster shot. So that's still happening to this day.
SPEAKER 03 :
Harry, with Trump obviously nominating RFK, this is going to change lightning fast. This is going to do a 180 with the public, oh, come about January 20th. Are you a little surprised that there are still people costing you jobs over this? I mean, they see what's coming. They know everything they're pushing is about to go to rubble.
SPEAKER 15 :
I mean, no, I'm not surprised because you have such a division. I mean, you have the cult of the—you literally have the cult of the abort baby mindset, transgender mindset, take your poisonous Fauci shot mindset, and then you have people that are saying, going, hey, how about you go ahead and give real bodily autonomy, not kill people, but allow us to not take poison. So, no, there's such a great divide. that breaking through to the other side is going to take massive amounts of deprogramming. I mean, deprogram a cult overnight? I don't think that's going to happen just because RFK... That's right.
SPEAKER 16 :
No, they're in denial. Andy and I, after we're done with you here, we're going to talk about how the left is losing culture. And by the way, part of what you're talking about in this, in my opinion, is part of the reason why they are, because there are still a lot, we saw it in the election, a lot of sane individuals out there that know a lot of this stuff being pushed right now is absolute rubbish.
SPEAKER 15 :
Agreed. It's literally Munchausen syndrome meets Stockholm syndrome. You have basically brainwashed people that have been abused by the system completely and try to get through to just an abused spouse. Like I've ran calls as a paramedic on an abused spouse and try to get them to report their husbands. Try to get people to report their daddy government that's been beating them for all their lives.
SPEAKER 03 :
You know, Harry, I can only disagree with you on one point. I think the medical community, a lot of them are silent on this, not just because they're afraid, but because they're activists. They are part of the cult that you're talking about. Yeah, they are part of the cult that you're talking about. They have been pushing this drug and pushing and pushing and pushing, and now they can't go back.
SPEAKER 15 :
Yeah, no, they can. I mean, they poison themselves. I mean, imagine you're sitting in the middle of Jonestown, right, as they drink. They already drank the Kool-Aid, and you're trying to tell them, hey, guess what? That Kool-Aid was poison. That's where we live.
SPEAKER 16 :
Yeah, yeah. And the other thing, too, don't forget, both of you, and Harry, you know this as well, Andy, you do also, that when you're caught up in all of this, It's really hard now, four years later, especially in the medical community, to admit I was wrong. I never should have done the things that I did with patients and so on. It's really hard to go back and admit that. Am I correct, Harry?
SPEAKER 15 :
That's completely correct because once they admit they were wrong, once these shots get pulled out off the market and they admit they are wrong, You're going to have lawsuits central. So they not only have the fact that their human ego is going, don't admit you're wrong, back in their subconscious. They have the conscious going, oh, God, as soon as I admit I'm wrong, all these people in my community that have died are going to start suing me. So they have a multifaceted reason for shutting the hell up.
SPEAKER 16 :
I agree.
SPEAKER 03 :
Hey, Harry, for those who don't listen to, John always talks about this on Thursday, but this is Tuesday. For those who don't hear that, they may be hearing you say, this is poison, this is poison. Can you maybe talk about just a few of the, shall we say, results that you have seen of people taking these shots and the boosters?
SPEAKER 15 :
I've seen anything from young strokes, young heart attacks. I ran a under 14-year-old playing kickball, just completely had a stroke playing kickball. I ran to the school. stroked out playing kickball, had their second Pfizer shot within weeks. I've seen so many bad things at this point, just singling out one. it's a sea of that.
SPEAKER 16 :
And you've seen a dramatic increase in this because of the shutdown. Yeah, that was my next question, Harry, because I know the answer, because as Andy said, I've been talking to Dr. Kelly on Thursdays, literally now for four-plus years, the first hour every Thursday. For those of you listening that maybe want to tune in on that, you can even go back and listen to past episodes all the way back through COVID. But, Harry, because of talking to her, I kind of know this answer, but tell the listeners— How many of those types of events did you see in your field prior to this?
SPEAKER 15 :
None. I've never seen a young stroke under 14 years. That wasn't a thing. You never saw young and healthy. You would see young children that were born with deformities or born just very rare. And that still was very rare that you would ever run those calls. Maybe once in 10 or 15 years you would ever see something weird like that. After the shots came out, you would see it consistently. Like the things that I've seen have been consistent, so much so that you were running to the same schools three or four times a day on an ambulance. Wow. And even all of us in the medical field were going. Like in the medical community, we would talk and be like, did you run any vaccines today? We call them vaccines.
SPEAKER 16 :
I love it, vaccines. Well, it's funny you say that because my wife and I, as all of this was happening and unfolding, you know, through COVID and so on, and once COVID ended and the shots came out and so on, what we noticed, we happen to live in an area of town to where there's a street not far and we can hear, you know, the different types of traffic that would go by, i.e. fire trucks and ambulances. And I will tell you that our population, yes, it may have grown some, although there's a lot of people now that are even working from home and such that weren't even doing that prior to COVID. So I would be one to say that I'm not even sure traffic Harry is what it was prior to COVID, at least here in the Denver area. So where I'm going with this is. we now sure hear and see a lot more of the ambulances rolling by than we ever did prior to COVID. And I don't think that's a coincidence.
SPEAKER 15 :
Not at all. During COVID, actually, we slowed down immensely. I could take a nap on the job easy during COVID. During COVID, most people were not going out. And our children's hospital in Oklahoma City, which is one of the bigger children's hospitals, it was completely empty most of the time. Whenever they started giving the shots and opening back up, it flooded. It was insane, the difference. So we were hearing on the TV, that's one of the first times I noticed how big the lie was, is when the TV was going, everyone's flooded and overran. And I was taking a nap. And then whenever they started giving the shots that were supposedly safe, we were getting destroyed.
SPEAKER 16 :
There you go. All right, the book, Safe and Effective, For Profit, The Paramedic's Story Exposing American Genocide. Harry, where can folks get the book?
SPEAKER 15 :
You can get the book at fishersbook.com or you can buy it on Amazon. I appreciate you getting it at fishersbook.com. Don't give Amazon all your money. But that being said, if you do give Amazon your money, I appreciate you buying the book either way and giving the info out there. And please rate the book out there on Amazon. That way we can get some info.
SPEAKER 16 :
Harry, thank you. We appreciate it. Appreciate what you're doing and even getting the word out there. And, again, we're very fortunate to have been aligned with somebody like Dr. Kelly even as a program and be able to have some of the insight and even then talking to folks like yourself. We've got to continue to get the word out because there's still a lot of people out there listening that have never heard some of the things we're talking about.
SPEAKER 15 :
I agree. She's good people, and she's actually in the book. She's a friend of mine, and she's in the book.
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Putting reason into your afternoon drive, this is John Rush. And welcome back to Rush to Reason, Denver's Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560. Okay, John. Yes. The reason I bring up the culture is, and I'm looking for the article. Sorry, I've been kind of busy. Okay. It's all right. But there was a Democrat... who's in pretty high ranking. And he said, Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. He was working on the Kamala campaign and he worked on their, their, um, online stuff. Okay. And he said, this is when I knew that we had lost the culture. And in his case, it was because they couldn't get her booked on sports channels. And the Democrats have owned sports channels. In fact, ESPN has been to the left of CNN, MSNBC. It's Disney. Yeah, they're Disney. But even before Disney bought them.
SPEAKER 16 :
They were going that way that just got worse as Disney bought them.
SPEAKER 03 :
Right. ESPN had been full-fledged, all-out flat Marxist. Absolutely. And yet he realized, my gosh, we can't get her booked on these sports shows and hear Trump, you know, is being booked. And so they were wondering, he said at this point, he said, I realized that we had a real problem. I wanted to ask you, I think it's it started well before this election.
SPEAKER 16 :
Agree.
SPEAKER 03 :
And I would go back a few years. But when did you think when do you think Democrats started losing the culture? Because the Democrats have owned the culture for decades.
SPEAKER 16 :
When they started lying to people over COVID, a lot of what we just talked about with the last paramedic and the book that he wrote and some of the things we talked to Dr. Kelly about, that's not all of it, but that is a large portion of it. When people, Andy, and we've talked about this many times, people started realizing that, wait a minute, there's not been one death of a kid, and yet we've shut schools down, and I'm having to now basically homeschool my kid because the school and my tax dollars won't, and, and, and. We just keep piling on the things they started to notice.
SPEAKER 03 :
Well, and also parents started to notice that the teachers were really fighting against coming back to work. It was easy. Right. They want to stay at home. So all these teachers who are paid by your tax dollars and who don't have to compete for their jobs and get tenure, and they're stuck in there forever. Well, okay, that's college. But you know what I mean. I know what you mean. It's the same thing. Try firing a high school teacher. Good luck with that.
SPEAKER 16 :
Unless they've done some sort of criminal act, good luck.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah, good luck. And they were seeing them not want to come back to work.
SPEAKER 16 :
Right. So you take that, you take, of course, add inflation into it, which, again, even though she and the campaign wanted to blame all of that on Trump, people aren't that dumb, Andy. They can look back pre-COVID and say, well, wait a minute, I wasn't paying that much for gas and milk and eggs and bread and the staples that I have to buy, you know, laundry soap and so on. I didn't have to pay these exorbitant prices back then, but... But I am now. And wait a minute. You guys were in charge really through the second half of COVID. And we've now got this sort of inflation. And no matter what Kamala says on the campaign trail, you guys caused this. And yet you have nothing to fix this with. And then you pile that on top, Andy, of all the other things we just got done mentioning. And oh, wait a minute. Then let's add in. oh, it's okay for boys to play in women's sports, and it's okay to teach a kid that's 10 or 11 years old that they can change their gender, and, and, and. I mean, you add all these things on, and then you wonder why you lost the culture. Right.
SPEAKER 03 :
And look, I think there were a number of major, not minor, major steps. I think the way the left treated COVID is one of the major steps. Let me put one before it and one after it. Okay. True. Can't argue that. True. Then and you had a number of NFL owners who quite honestly leaned left. Now, a lot of them lean right. But the ones who leaned right were all silent. They never spoke on on politics. And the ones on the left could be outspoken.
SPEAKER 16 :
And really quick before any of you start saying, well, that means they just flip flop. No, keep in mind. No, no, no, no. Careers in the NFL, especially. Are very short. So the same people in most cases, Andy, there's more exceptions to ballplayers that play, you know, 8, 10, 12 years. That's rare. Most of those guys are two and a half, three and a half, four years, maybe max. So the reality is, no, guys, these aren't the same people that were kneeling that all of a sudden had some revelation and they're not kneeling now.
SPEAKER 03 :
Right. Let me tell you what happened, John, because just this year we saw NFL players wearing MAGA hats, doing the Trump dance. Everything has changed. OK, it started with the kneelers. And here's what happened. Because for the first time ever. The right decided we will boycott. We will. And you and I, we're not for hard boycotts, but we are in favor of soft boycotts. In other words, spend your money where you want to. Yeah. Yeah. Spend your money where you want to look for other options. And when people churned off the TV and said, that's it. When you guys started because kneeling was promoting two things, anti-Americanism and racism. It was racist, pure racist. And until then, all of the conservative players had always been silent on their politics. They had. They were terrified. That's why Tim Tebow was so unusual. Not that he was political, but he was very Christian at the time. You could be Christian, so was Reggie White, but not political. Not if you were on the right, only on the left. Because what happened then, for the very first time, the players and the coaches and the owners were stunned at the backlash and the amount of lost revenues that they incurred. They'd never had this happen to them before.
SPEAKER 16 :
No, the NFL's always been on this upward trajectory, and in that particular case, they started to tank. They didn't tank fully, but they tanked enough to open their eyes to say, owners especially, saying, whoa, whoa, whoa, wait a minute here.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah, their numbers went down.
SPEAKER 16 :
We can't do this.
SPEAKER 03 :
Their numbers went down dramatically. And when players would kneel at the game, there would be boos coming from the crowd. They'd never experienced anything like this because the crowd is looking at them and saying, look, this is racist and it's anti-American. Now, that changed. And what happened also is that the NFL saw when they got rid of the kneeling what happened. The numbers came back. Everybody came back. Everybody's happy. Hey, man, just love America. We love you. You love us. Relax. Relax.
SPEAKER 16 :
And sports is supposed to be a place where this doesn't happen anyways.
SPEAKER 03 :
Right. Right. Okay. Then the next thing, and this is after COVID, Bud Light. Yeah. Agreed. When they... They did not. You see, Disney had been going through some things. Obviously, you got the big year of Lightyear and Strange World when Disney lost unbelievable sums of money. Now, and Disney, Charlie just sent me a thing.
SPEAKER 16 :
There's an article today that he sent us.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah, they're cutting back on their trends. Right. You know, ideology.
SPEAKER 16 :
Hollywood is learning, like the NFL, that, oh, maybe we shouldn't go down this path.
SPEAKER 03 :
Right. And why? Because as you and I have constantly said, hey, being trans means you literally believe you are in the wrong body. You're crazy. I'm sorry. There is no defending trans.
SPEAKER 16 :
You need some mental help.
SPEAKER 03 :
You need help. You literally think you're in the wrong body. That's crazy. And when Bud Light lost unbelievable amounts of money, Billions. Yeah. And then Target lost big money. Same thing. That sent shockwaves throughout the industries because keep in mind, corporate America had swung so far to the left. They felt they were untouchable. They felt that they could shove whatever they wanted on the American people and wouldn't matter. Here's what happened. What mattered is America stood up and closed their wallets. They closed their wallets with the NFL. They closed their wallets with those things. And meshed in the middle of that, they got angry because COVID, draconian COVID policies. It robbed them. Governors took over their lives.
SPEAKER 16 :
It robbed them. It robbed some of them of their small business. Yes. Some of them, it robbed them of their job. How many businesses? It robbed them of their kids' educations.
SPEAKER 03 :
How many businesses here in Colorado closed down forever because of Jared Polis?
SPEAKER 16 :
Far too many. Yeah. Once enough, Andy. Far too many, though. Right. And they got tired of being belittled and talked down to and so on. And then pretty soon, you know, this is the other thing that happened is they were told all the way through COVID, just follow the science, follow the science, until the science was proven wrong. And then they were like, screw your science.
SPEAKER 03 :
You guys are wrong. When COVID rifled through the vaccinated community. That's when things really changed. That's when a lot of people started saying, wait a minute. All my friends who got vaccinated are getting COVID. Okay. In fact, I got news for you. My friends who are unvaxxed seem a lot healthier than my vaxxed friends.
SPEAKER 16 :
Correct. Correct.
SPEAKER 03 :
America, look, I'm telling you what, hell hath no fury like a woman scorned. Hell hath no fury like a voter scorned. Voters were looking around saying, my government's lying to me.
SPEAKER 16 :
Well, and on top of that, Andy, let's not forget, as they headed down the stretch into the election. Yeah. All of what you just said, spot on. I did talk about the economy for a moment, but then you pile on the economy, especially now. Right. And you had her running around being asked, what are you going to do to fix the economy that, by the way, you've been a part of for the past three and a half years? And all her answers were, well, I was born in a middle class home. I mean, people saw right through that and said, well, what in the world are you talking about, lady? That answer isn't helping me put groceries on my table. Right. I want the old guy. But these are terrible candidates.
SPEAKER 03 :
I agree. Let me add one last thing. Because the Democrats opened the border wide open for the first time, for the first time, people saw themselves actually being invaded. It was no longer a trickle under the carpet and so forth. It was right out loud in your face. They were taking over buildings. They were taking over everything.
SPEAKER 16 :
Like we saw the arrest today.
SPEAKER 03 :
Right. Job growth in America for the last year, when you take out the jobs going to immigrants, we lost jobs for the last year.
SPEAKER 16 :
Correct.
SPEAKER 03 :
People were just saying, what is going on? I think that changed the culture, too.
SPEAKER 16 :
Andy, I think every single one of these things that we have mentioned piled on top of one another. Is why, and if you're somebody on the left and you can't see this, which, by the way, I hope you don't. I hope you're so egotistical that you don't see it. Stay stupid. I don't want you to see this, but if you can't see this, you're blind as a bat.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah.
SPEAKER 16 :
Because it's right in front of you as to what's going on.
SPEAKER 03 :
Right. You know what really happened at the base of all the things we just said? Anti-Americanism.
SPEAKER 16 :
Freedom. Freedom is gone.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah, because the kneelers were anti-American. The COVID Nazis were anti-American. The Bud Light, that was anti-American, shoving down our throats.
SPEAKER 16 :
Immigration, anti-American.
SPEAKER 03 :
Immigration flinging open the border so we'd get fully invaded. Anti-American. And now what did they do on top of it? They're selling off parts of the wall for nothing.
SPEAKER 16 :
Let's not forget one other thing, and Kurt Rogers is going to join me Thursday, by the way, at 5 o'clock, but the fact that a lot of folks went from being able to afford a home to not being able to afford a home. Anti-American again, Andy.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah, when they looked at the Biden administration, which was taking credit for lowering inflation, and all kinds of Americans are looking at them and saying, the only thing that's lowering inflation is you're jacking our rates through the roof.
SPEAKER 16 :
One other thing I got to add on top of all that that we haven't mentioned yet. Student loan forgiveness. Anti-American. And all those folks that either paid their loans or were paying their loans and wouldn't have had any kind of forgiveness were looking at that saying, what in the world are you guys doing?
SPEAKER 03 :
Or the plumbers and electricians who never needed a loan and said, my taxes are paying for this rich kid to get there. Correct.
SPEAKER 16 :
That's another pylon of being anti-American. Yep. So all of that combined. The message, really, let's say it this way, Andy. Why did the left lose the culture? Because they became so anti-American. They've always been anti-American, but they became so in-your-face anti-American that a portion, the majority of voters said, yeah, no, not this time.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah. Why did the left lose the culture?
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SPEAKER 16 :
All right, as we're back, I was reminded also text message-wise before we switch gears, Andy, that during COVID, don't forget the other thing that government allowed to be open They handpicked liquor stores, convenience stores, pot shops, big box stores, and so on. So they really handpicked the winners and losers.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah, favoritism also drives away the culture.
SPEAKER 16 :
Absolutely. They hate it. Okay. So thanks for the reminder, by the way.
SPEAKER 03 :
Sure. I got a new question for you here. Trump, it's different this time. It's totally different. Remember, last time in 2016, he won. It was incredible. However, immediately, it was all opposition. Everybody was weaponized against him. I'm not just talking about the Democrats on Capitol Hill. I'm talking about all of big tech, all of academia, all of Hollywood, all of everywhere. Right? Yes. This time is different. This time, everybody's coming to him wanting to kiss the ring. And my question is this. What is the biggest difference, or what are some of the reasons that we see this incredible difference this time for Trump? The wind is at his back this time. The wind was in his face last time.
SPEAKER 16 :
I'm going to attribute it to one thing and one thing only, and the day it happened, Andy literally texted me that same day and said, this is it. We're done. We've won. No looking back. This is a shoe-in for Trump. And we've talked about this, and please, all of you that are Christians, hear me out. Because Andy and I even did some segments on, did God spare Trump's life in the assassination attempt in Pennsylvania? I would flip that. and say, did God allow that to happen that changed Trump's entire demeanor from that point forward and made him who he is now, which, by the way, is not the same Trump we saw four years ago because it's not. He is not.
SPEAKER 03 :
He is not. And Charlie and I, we were just talking about it at the break. He just had an impromptu press conference yesterday. John. Obviously, he was in great command of the details, but there were two big changes in him. Number one, he was softer, respectful, quiet, calm, commanding. He was not this activist raging at the group, at the room, right? And the second thing is, he knew when not to give an answer. Okay, you know, the guy asked him, are you going to, what, bomb... I forget what it was.
SPEAKER 16 :
Yeah, I read today where somebody thought that just shows he's got dementia. No, that just means he's very careful in his responses.
SPEAKER 03 :
Oh, yeah, because basically, are you going to bomb Iran? What does he say? how can I answer that question? If I say yes, if I say no, either one is a bad answer. The answer being, obviously, I'm not going to tell them what I'm going to do.
SPEAKER 16 :
There is no answer.
SPEAKER 03 :
Why would I tell them what I'm going to do? But you see, in the past, he wasn't controlled like that. He wasn't under control. And I believe one big difference is J.D. Vance. He's learning from J.D. J.D. is incredibly... J.D. is incredibly... contained in what he says it's brilliant he knows when to go after people but trump just being around a guy who works can't argue that wording can't argue although it's changed you still got to go back to the shooting oh the assassination attempt because his demeanor
SPEAKER 16 :
Literally from that, we've talked about it. We talked about it on air. His demeanor from that point forward changed dramatically. When you have a near-death experience, and I think a lot of people can say that. Anybody that's had one of those, I think, can say this. It changes you. And in Trump's case, because of a lot of the people that he's surrounded with, to your point, the J.D. Vance, great Christian guy, etc., You start looking at those folks and will they rub off on a Trump, especially after one of those experiences? Yeah, Andy, I think they do. Absolutely. Absolutely.
SPEAKER 03 :
I think another thing that's put the wind at Trump's back and there's a couple more here, but one is J.D. Vance. Mike Pence was an awful choice. OK, he was an absolutely Mike Pence was a decent speaker, but not anything like J.D. Vance. J.D. Vance. goes out to all ABC, NBC, MSNBC, CNN. He goes to all of them and cuts them to ribbons. And Americans had never seen this before. They had never seen one of Trump's people going into all these interviews and cutting them.
SPEAKER 16 :
Calm, cool, collected, methodical, and so on.
SPEAKER 03 :
Making MAGA brilliant. That's what J.D. Vance made MAGA brilliant. And they had not seen that before. MAGA was always a very emotional thing. It was a very true thing. I believe in MAGA.
SPEAKER 16 :
It was never brilliant until Vance. We talked about this prior to even Trump being the nominee. Our biggest fear with Trump moving forward was everything would be based on emotions completely. There wouldn't be a lot of strategy involved. It would be very hard to win that way. Fortunately, some things changed. through the campaign right and got better as time went on and i think a lot of what you're talking about is why yeah now i'm gonna the next one i'm only gonna do is say a name and i'm gonna let you take it from there elon musk oh huge huge asset a because and i said this a while back yeah And I think even some folks out there listening sort of poo-pooed me on this because I think they thought, well, yeah, I don't know about that. Elon Musk, there is not only a lot of tech folks that follow him, but a lot of young, brilliant men especially follow him. A, because of where he's at, what he's done, the fact he's the richest guy on the planet. He's eccentric by all means. On the same token, he doesn't let what other people say bother him. At all. Right. He's his own guy, and I think a lot of young men, especially Andy, because they haven't had that model to them much, they appreciate that. And they're followers of him.
SPEAKER 03 :
Everything you just said, true, but I've got to add something. In 2016, the Democrats completely owned the public square. They did. They owned all the media. They owned all of big tech. They owned all of the dispersal of news and ideas. Yeah, you can talk about Fox News, but they outnumbered that a zillion to one, especially with big tech. Correct. x twitter oh yeah okay that's what i was saying elon musk his fact of being there with these young men especially huge because of elon musk they no longer own the uh public square they can't dominate they can't go after trump and know that all the voices that are going to come back against us are going to be just drowned out by us they can't drown them out anymore and elon musk is the biggest reason
SPEAKER 16 :
I can't argue that. No, you're right. Let me throw another. And really quick, before we move on. Go. Because there's some folks that text us continually, which I always enjoy. But I want to remind some of you, by the way, that have texted me probably multiple times since. And I could go back and even find some of these if I wanted to. But some of you were very critical. Early on of Musk, oh, the guy's a charlatan. Oh, the guy's a Trojan horse. Oh, we can't trust him. You guys said the same thing about Vivek, by the way. All we heard was, oh, you can't trust these guys. There's no way they're going to be really a part of our party and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And a lot of you listening right now need to check yourself because you said those same things to me in text messages.
SPEAKER 03 :
Absolutely. And by the way, these are minor ones, but you've got to throw in Vivek and Tulsi. Absolutely. Not just because they are people that nobody trusted on our side because our side doesn't trust anybody and we believe in every conspiracy theory. I don't know why. But I've got news for you folks. Not only are Vivek and Tulsi on your side, they're smart. They're smart. They come off brilliant. They blow people away in debates. And they're not like J.D. Vance, who's an absolute machine, but they're close. Actually, Vivek is like that.
SPEAKER 16 :
Vivek is.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah, not Tulsi as much, but she's brilliant, too.
SPEAKER 16 :
He's a machine.
SPEAKER 03 :
Tulsi might be our VP next time around. Okay, but I'm going to give you another name and let you take it. Joe Rogan. Oh, huge for us. Huge.
SPEAKER 16 :
Wow. He and Dana White on the wrestling.
SPEAKER 03 :
What does this do for the culture, him and Dana White?
SPEAKER 16 :
Huge, because these guys are where young men, not all young men, but there's some old guys watching him as well, but men in general. But there's a lot of women, too, so I don't want to cut any of you lady wrestling fans and Joe Rogan fans and so on, because there's a lot of equal sexes, I should say, Andy, that are listening. But especially when it comes to young men, Those two individuals, Dana White, Joe Rogan, both speak volumes to a ton of young men. So when they start talking about, you know, being a supporter of Donald Trump and interviewing Donald Trump and going through that whole end of things, we talked in the last, you know, the last segment about how did the left lose the culture? Because they don't know either one of these guys and they're probably both repulsed by him.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yes. Everything you just said. Once again, 100 percent agree. What about women? The fact that they didn't win women nearly as big as they expected. And let me give you two quick names, Tulsi and RFK. That hurt them because that was two Democrats who came over to our side, and Tulsi is an incredibly impressive woman.
SPEAKER 16 :
And RFK Jr., when he starts talking about all of the things— Well, a lot of women because of the kids and the vaccines and so on. He speaks very near and dear to them because these are individuals that are really looking at these kids saying, why am I giving my kids 72 vaccines?
SPEAKER 03 :
John, when I'm online, all of the biggest supporters of RFK on our side, they were all women. They were all women. So when we talk about—and so here's the thing. I'm going to bring it all together now.
SPEAKER 16 :
Okay.
SPEAKER 03 :
You and I said in 2016, actually, that Donald Trump had to be Team Trump. He had to go forward with his team. He had to put together this incredibly impressive group of people around him that would, let's face it, soften him. Yep. And reach out into far more. He couldn't just go forward with the Trumpies because the Trumpies were only 30% of the population.
SPEAKER 16 :
Andy, if we said it once, we said it a thousand times. Trump has to change the way he messages to the entire United States or he will not win. And he did.
SPEAKER 03 :
And he did. And he did because I'm telling you what, this time it is not Trump. It is Team Trump.
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SPEAKER 16 :
All right, we are back. Myself, Andy, and Charlie. Andy's going to head out here at 5 o'clock, by the way, but I'll still be around here for the last hour. Andy, a couple things. Charlie just said one thing a second ago that really is a big deal and why people are in favor of Trump is the fact that he's just making common sense remarks and things to do that everybody can relate to, even some Democrats. But back to how did the left lose the culture? Right. One other thing I want to throw in that we forgot, which helped Trump – And hurt them. And that's all the stupid lawsuits they brought against Trump. Because, by the way, a lot of people were looking at that saying, man alive, these things are just as ticky tack as it gets. I get it. The hardcore lefties, they loved all of that. But others didn't.
SPEAKER 03 :
Do you think it was just shocking for the country to see how easily the legal system could be weaponized?
SPEAKER 16 :
Yep. And they didn't like it. They had never seen it like this. Nope. And they don't like that because they realize, oh, wait a minute. Again, going back to the man thing. By the way, I know a lot of you listening, I've focused a lot on the male vote and the fact that I firmly believe, some females as well, but literally that whole male vote, that voting block is what really put Trump over the edge this last election.
SPEAKER 03 :
Oh, yes. Oh, yes.
SPEAKER 16 :
Keep in mind that there's a lot of men out there, like it or not. that have had something happen to them legally speaking. Something's happened on the job. Something's happened to them with regards to divorce and child support or custody battles and so on. And in most cases, by the way, these guys are on the losing end of the stick. In most cases. Because it's stacked against them. When they walk into the courtroom, they know right off the bat that as a dad, this whole thing is rigged, not in my favor. And then they watched what Trump went through.
SPEAKER 03 :
Right. And the Democrats were able to get away with that for the longest time. And here's why. They would just say, yeah, but it's Trump. It's okay because it's Trump. Yeah, but we're doing this against Trump. Well, Trump is really bad. Well, he's a threat to democracy. Look at J6. Look at J6. Look at J6. You know, and... Here's the thing. After a while, that sells for a year or two. You know, after a while, you know what Americans start saying? Yeah, we know it's Trump. But you keep saying, yeah, it's Trump. And what we're seeing is this. We've never seen the law used like this before. And it proves to us that you can use it that way. And that scares us.
SPEAKER 16 :
And where I'm going with that, Andy, is there's a lot of men out there that I think voted for Trump that the law had been used against them in a way that it shouldn't be because it happens more often than not. Because typically, again, I'm not saying it happens in every single case, but there's a lot of situations where these guys go to court to have custody with their kids or have joint custody or have equal time or whatever the case may be, and the odds are already stacked against them.
SPEAKER 03 :
How many men have lost a job just because of an accusation of... sexual harassment as well and you know and once again because you know the me first or me too movement okay the whole idea that we can simply accuse away your rights we don't have to provide any evidence we can just accuse it away and men look back and say hey man if somebody's sexually harassing a female that's terrible but you got to provide evidence otherwise you can simply accuse it away That got thrown away.
SPEAKER 16 :
Yep, and believe me.
SPEAKER 03 :
And look what just came out with the Duke Lacrosse.
SPEAKER 16 :
I was going to mention the same thing, Andy. Right. Take the words out of my mouth.
SPEAKER 03 :
The lady who lied against them just came out and admitted it. What is it, a decade later?
SPEAKER 16 :
Yeah, I lied.
SPEAKER 03 :
People are like, hey, wait a minute. Right. You could literally, and I think this hit men a lot worse than women because men had had their rights accused away much more than women.
SPEAKER 16 :
Yep, and had been in the courtroom. Some of the similar things I just mentioned a moment ago. And the reality is all of that went in favor of Trump and against her, really against the party, if you really want to get down to it when it's all said and done. So, guys, again, we've got another full hour coming your way. I've got another interview we're going to do here in a moment. Jeremy Portnoy is going to join us. He is from Open the Books. We're going to talk about his new column, Waste of the Day. We're going to talk about Doge and how that may affect things as well. So don't go anywhere yet. We'll be right back. Hour three is next. Rush to Reason, Denver's Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560.
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