Not your average survival show! This week, John Rush and Bill Anderson go deep on what REALLY works—and’s likely to go wrong—when ordinary folks face down chaos: mass shootings, Walmart knife attacks, wild church security teams, and, yep, even surprise Cincinnati brawls. With expert Brandon Guire chiming in, they bust myths about gun heroics, BJJ bravado, and why most “tactical” classes leave you less ready, not more. Think you’re tough? This episode explains why panic and paperwork might be your real self-defense foes.
SPEAKER 11 :
This is Ready Radio, preparing you to be ready for anything. Now, here’s your survival guide for Ready Radio, John Rush. And it’s that time, Ready Radio, KLZ 560. Thanks for joining us today. It is the first day of August, August 1st. Listening to a replay of this show, you’ll know what day it is. Appreciate you all listening. Bill Anderson joining me today as well. Bill, how are you, sir?
SPEAKER 03 :
I’m doing well. How are you doing, John? I’m doing very well.
SPEAKER 11 :
How was your trip with the grandkids? You want the honest answer or the politically correct answer? You need a vacation from the vacation.
SPEAKER 03 :
It was one of the worst trips we’ve ever taken, not because of the grandchildren, but because of all the flight delays and the rented house we were at, and it was a bad one. But anyway, we made it back.
SPEAKER 11 :
Well, I’m glad you’re here. Appreciate you. One of the things that happened earlier in the week, and I talked about it a little bit on The Daily Show, but I thought we’d get in it more today just because the left’s answer to everything when there’s any kind of a shooting that happens, of course, Bill, is, you know, anti-gun, you know, get rid of this, get rid of that. We need a nationwide assault ban. You know, blah, blah, blah. That’s all they seem to focus on. Rather than teaching people when and if these things do happen, then this is what you need to do as a response. They’d rather focus on the gun rather than the behavior.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah, and that’s a huge problem because what they continually fail to realize is, You know, the good guys aren’t the ones out there doing this. And no matter what law you put in, look at the prohibition in the 20s, right? You outlawed alcohol and it actually, you know, became very abundant, right? People broke the laws. They did what they’re going to do anyway. So you can put all kinds of restrictions on there. The bad guys are going to get them. Even if you make it a little bit more difficult, right, they’re still going to acquire them. And at the end of the day, you know, we’ve got a lot of historical data on a lot of different shootings, if you will, and attacks and things of that nature. I mean, there was just a… an attack at Walmart where somebody came through with a pocket knife and ended up stabbing like seven people. And it’s like, I don’t need a gun necessarily, right? I mean, there’s other ways. There’s, you know, explosives that I can create. There’s, you know, I can run a car into a building, an airplane into a building, sensitive subject, but that’s the reality, John. It’s not about the guns. It’s about you’ve got to deal with this moral issue and go from there, right?
SPEAKER 11 :
That’s exactly right. You are 1,000% correct. One of the reasons why I wanted to cover this today was, A, it’s hot off the presses, of course, and these things happen, and this is Ready Radio. We talk about how to be prepared for the what-ifs of life, and not that we want these things to happen, Bill, and not that we wish these upon anyone. You know, heaven forbid this happens, but the reality is we live in a fallen world. These things actually happen. So what we try to get across to people is how can you be prepared for these particular situations, whether that’s somebody in a Walmart with a knife that’s stabbing 11 people, whether that’s somebody where there’s an active shooter situation. And in this particular case, the guy entered the building, shot a security guard, went up the wrong elevator, fortunately. Well, or unfortunately, I don’t know exactly how that would have turned out. We don’t know. But at the end of the day, things happen, Bill. We live in a fallen world. And, you know, again, the guy at Walmart, you don’t have to have a gun to do damage to others. We’ve seen people run, you know, vehicles into crowds and things like that. And those might be some other things that we get into at a later time because we want to be aware of all these things going on around us at any given time. There was an article in Huffington Post which is extremely left. But that’s what got, you know, Charlie and I both to thinking about, you know, maybe we should do something. segment or two or three depending on how long it takes us to get through this knowing that you’re an expert in this area and for all of you listening bill does some you know some defensive training in this particular area where if that’s something you’re really interested in bill you can take folks to a whole different level yeah and we’ve been doing this long before any other facilities here locally have started you know there’s a there’s a new one out that they’re talking about hey we run these scenarios we’ve been running this
SPEAKER 03 :
you know, way before that. Um, and it’s important to understand because one of the biggest things before we get into this, right, we, we have to answer a few questions to ourselves and because there’s a lot of people out there that say, Oh, I’ll do this and I’ll do that. And, and, you know, I have this technique or that technique. First thing you must understand is, is you, techniques are important, but they’re not that important. And here’s why John, Traditional firearms training, what do I do? I stand X amount of feet, yards or whatever it may be at my target. And then I get into my whatever stance.
SPEAKER 11 :
Have my stance, my grip, all that stuff, right?
SPEAKER 03 :
My grip, my side alignment and all that stuff. And it’s like, okay, great. I’m going to set you at a 21 sheet. We’re going to go ahead and shoot that non-moving paper target. I’m going to teach you this technique. We run all of our classes and I’ve got my son-in-law here chimed in. I don’t know if Charlie’s got him queued up or not to join us today to talk about this stuff, but we run all of our classes on principles because you know what? A technique means that I’m setting a stage. I’m setting a scenario. Well, guess what, John? In real life, there’s no scenario, right? Your scenario could change from 21 feet to I’m on top of you in 1.47 seconds. It’s a drill that we call the tooler drill, right? And it’s like we can clear the average person. We do this in our first basic level class to show you hey, in 1.47 seconds, somebody can clear 20-plus feet and be on top of you. And you’ve got this draw time. Even if you’re proficient, maybe a two-second draw time. I’m talking concealed. I’m not talking open carry, concealed. But then you also got a two-second OODA loop where my brain is going, oh, my gosh, what’s happening? Somebody’s charging at me. Oh, my gosh, they got a knife. I guess I should draw my gun. Now I’m four seconds behind. The person’s on me. But I got a gun, John. That’s the answer. So we don’t teach technique. We teach principles. And this is so important for us to understand. So you’ve got to ask yourself a couple of questions before any of this stuff. Number one, you need to ask yourself, am I really competent in my ability? Okay. Number two, hey, do I really understand this scenario? Because I’m at the range, 21 feet. What do we have? Every range, every range. We have range safety. Nobody’s downrange, right? Everybody draws at the same time. And all of these places, with the exception of our classes, you can’t move because you’re in your stall or you’re in your bay and you can’t move for safety reasons, right? And it’s like, okay, that’s great. That’s not real day life. So now I’m going to pull my gun In a scenario, and remember, a mass shooting means that there’s multiple people, right? A mass shooting is classified by two or more, whether they’re a cop and a bad guy or two cops and a bad guy, one cop and two bad guys. It’s labeled as a mass shooting, by the way, so it’s false advertising on that.
SPEAKER 04 :
That’s right.
SPEAKER 03 :
But what do I have? I have people. In our level three, okay, we turn our church into a shoot house, and we run you through, I can’t remember, about seven scenarios, depending on the size of the class and the time and things. And one of the scenarios is you’ve got to walk about 20-ish feet, right, to the begin of the house. The scenario is you hear your loved one in the house being beaten, right? They’re crying for help. I guess you don’t know they’re being beaten, but they’re crying for help. And you’ve got to go in there. And so these people walk 20 feet. By the time they get to the protagonist or antagonist, I should say, and the scenario, almost every one of them is as if they just ran a marathon. They’re breathing, and it’s like it’s the stress level. And so are you ready to make good decisions? based on that. And then what they do is they start shooting the guy. Why? Because I gave him a gun. We do this with airsoft. They come in and they start shooting him. And every single one of them, John, we’re stacked. Okay. So what I mean by that was, Hey, they’re beating your loved one and you’re to their back and you shot him and you just got a two for one, right? Cause that bullet went through the attacker and into the victim. And so, you know, so we’ll go back to our scenario of, Oh, Hey, I got a gun. I’m going to take care of this mass shooting. I’m just going to shoot them. And it’s like, man, are you more of a liability than an asset? Not one of them, not one of them, John, holstered their gun or took care of their gun and went hands on with that person, which is what the answer was. Okay. They don’t teach this stuff. It’s called the Dunning-Kruger effect. And what that is is somebody with a little bit of knowledge or maybe a little bit of experience in a certain area all of a sudden thinks that they’re an expert in the area. And that’s what 98% of these people, they’ve done a class, they’ve listened to somebody, you know, they’ve done a couple hours. Heck, maybe they’ve done a lot of training. And they suffer from this. Our classes are designed to show you how all of that stuff works. If you go in with all this technique, I will destroy you, right? I don’t know how many people walk through the house and I say, hey, okay, here’s your choice of weapons, right? This is your house. Choose your self-defense weapon for the house, and they all go for the shotgun. And now go clear your house with a shotgun. The first room they go into, I’ve taken that shotgun from them because they stick the gun through the doorway. And it’s like, cool, thank you. And they don’t know what they’re doing, right? And so… Our class is a design. Or they’ll say, hey, you know, I got a little military training or I’ve got a little law enforcement or I was trained by somebody in the military. So my co-teacher, Brandon, my son-in-law, is he chimed in yet, Charlie?
SPEAKER 11 :
Did we, are we, am I supposed to, I’m sorry, Bill, are we supposed to call him or is he going to call us? We don’t have anybody else on the line.
SPEAKER 03 :
Oh, he was supposed to call in.
SPEAKER 11 :
Yeah, we don’t have anybody else besides you at this point.
SPEAKER 03 :
Okay. Okay, well, when he calls in… That’s fine, no problem.
SPEAKER 11 :
We’ll queue him up, not a problem.
SPEAKER 03 :
He did tours in Iraq. He was in these forces, special forces. And he’ll tell you the first thing that he did is he reverted back to that training, and I destroyed him, right? And I don’t mean that literally, right? But he was like, holy cow, what just happened? Everything that I spent all this training did not work. And I says, yeah.
SPEAKER 11 :
And why is that? I mean, explain why that is, Bill.
SPEAKER 03 :
It’s out of context. It’s out of context. So, you know, in the military, you’re trained to work with teams. You’re trained to do, you know, maybe you’ve got a zone of protection. You’re going to go and you’re going to clear this village or clear this room or clear this whatever it may be. And you’re working with people and you’ve got all this training and you mock it up and set it up. And it’s perfect, right? Hey, that’s not me going to Walmart and all of a sudden somebody comes in with a knife.
SPEAKER 05 :
Good point.
SPEAKER 03 :
That’s not me going to Applebee’s and all of a sudden somebody comes in or me going to the movies or me going to the concert or me going to a parade. and all of a sudden something happens, right? Because now I’m looking for my team, and my team’s not there.
SPEAKER 11 :
Right. I’ll tell you what, it looks like your son-in-law, I should say, calling in. Let’s do this. Brandon, hang tight. Let’s do this. Let’s take a quick break, Bill. That way we can get all dialed in. We’ll get things set up. We’ll come back. We’ll have Brandon and Bill both. And real quick, Bill’s website, it’s prep2protectco.com. You can also go to ready-radio.com. We’ve got more to come. This will be a topic, by the way, for those of you listening, that I highly doubt we cover in one particular show. This might take us two or three shows to get everything covered. And as always, these things are recorded. You can play these later. You can send these on to loved ones. That’s why we do this. So hang tight. We’ll come right back. Ready Radio. It’s ready-radio.com.
SPEAKER 01 :
Are you looking for a healthcare provider who truly cares about you and your well-being? Look no further than Castle Rock Regenerative Healthcare, where Dr. Scott Faulkner is ready to provide you with top-notch care. At Castle Rock Regenerative Healthcare, you’ll experience a competent, friendly, and efficient staff that puts your comfort and care first. Dr. Scott Faulkner is a true advocate of the latest advancements in healthcare and weight loss. Worried about being lost in the crowd of impersonal health care? Fear not. Dr. Scott is a big picture doctor, not beholden to big pharma or big insurance like some other providers. He takes the time to understand your unique needs and will customize your health care to fit you, your body, and your lifestyle. Tired of waiting weeks for an appointment? Unlike other practices, Dr. Scott Faulkner has the remarkable ability to see you in a matter of days. Reach your full potential and achieve your goals. Call Dr. Scott today at 303-663-6990 or visit him online at castlerockregenerativehealth.com or find him at rushtoreason.com. Castle Rock Regenerative Health Care, your path to a healthier tomorrow.
SPEAKER 12 :
You’re driving down the road and out of nowhere comes a bang. A huge rock just hit your windshield and now you have a star in your windshield. Did you know that chip can be fixed? But who is the best? Who has the best resins that keep developing them to work with the newest windshields? That would be Novus Autoglass. Novus, which is the Latin word for innovate, invented windshield repair in 1972. and it still leaves the industry in cutting-edge technology backed by more patents than any other repair and replacement company while other glass repair services offer limited warranties or worse none at all you can trust the original novus pros to stand behind their work with a full refund that you can use towards a windshield replacement for the life of your windshield. Find a Novus location near you by going to any of our websites, ready-radio.com, drive-radio.com, or fixitradio.com. Just click on the Novus link. That’s Novus Auto Glass.
SPEAKER 06 :
Think you need a new roof? Think again. With a RoofMax rejuvenation treatment, you can add up to 15 years of life to your existing roof and avoid spending thousands on a replacement. Hi, I’m Elizabeth Hart. And I’m Madison Hart. At RoofSafers Colorado, we strive to provide a high-quality roofing experience for every customer, helping you make the best decision for your roof and finances.
SPEAKER 02 :
If you’re a homeowner who has received notice of an insurance policy cancellation or are worried about the condition of your roof, we want to help. RoofMax is a 100% plant-based, bio-friendly product that rehydrates dry and minorly damaged shingles, putting new life back into your roof and helping it hold up against the Colorado elements.
SPEAKER 06 :
Let us maximize the life of your existing roof. Call us for a free assessment before filing your insurance claim.
SPEAKER 02 :
Call us today at 303-710-6916 or go to roofsaversco.com. That’s 303-710-6916 or go to roofsaversco.com to set up your free inspection and rejuvenate your roof.
SPEAKER 10 :
Looking to buy or sell a classic car? Need a reliable valuation you can trust? Look no further than BP Appraisals LLC. With over 20 years of experience in the appraisal industry, we provide fast, accurate, and professional appraisal services that you can count on. Did you know that an appraisal can also entail the forecasting of monetary earning power? An appraisal is a document with a valuation conclusion. It is not a pre-purchase inspection, a mechanical evaluation, or a recommendation to buy or sell your vehicle. It’s the actual value at that moment in time, which many need for things like estate planning, insurance, or investing. At BP Appraisals, we value your property like it’s our own. Make informed decisions with confidence. Don’t settle for less. Choose the experts at BP Appraisals LLC, where precision meets professionalism. Visit us today at bpappraisalsllc.com and schedule your appraisals in just minutes. BP Appraisals, LLC. We know what your property is worth. That’s bpappraisalsllc.com or call 720-295-0108. All right, we are back.
SPEAKER 11 :
Ready Radio, KLZ 560. Bill Anderson with us today. Brandon, your son-in-law as well. And I’m sorry, I don’t know Brandon’s last name, Bill or Brandon. Brandon, what’s your last name? My last name’s Guire. All right, perfect. Appreciate that very much. Bill, introduce Brandon, if you would.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah, and I’ll let him introduce kind of himself with a little bit of his history. But he is married to my oldest daughter, Rebecca. And I don’t even know how long you guys have been married. Shoot, huh? What a great father-in-law. 13 years. We’ve known Brandon longer than that, but he’s definitely been with us, and he did a little stint in the Army. So go ahead and tell your Army story there, Brandon.
SPEAKER 13 :
Yeah, so a little bit of background in the military. Spent 10 years in the infantry, good old 82nd Airborne, most of my time over at Fort Bragg, North Carolina. I also co-teach all of these classes with Bill, so all the stuff that he’s talking about, we teach all of these classes together. We went through all the training together. And, yeah, we love it. We enjoy it. We have a blast teaching it to everybody. And I really think that if you’re going to have a firearm, if you’re concerned about being in this situation, getting this kind of training is absolutely, absolutely important.
SPEAKER 11 :
Yeah, no, and guys, I can’t agree with either one of you anymore. And, Bill, I think the way you first started off, and for all of you maybe that even have just tuned in, we’re talking about what to do in an active shooter situation. Some of you may find yourself in that. Hopefully you never do, but in today’s world, you just never know when something might come up. And as we talked earlier, Bill, it doesn’t even have to be active shooter. It could be an active threat period. It could be a car running down. you know Bourbon Street in in New Orleans it could be a knife guy you know something wielding a knife in Walmart is never known these things are going to happen in the reality is you we live in a world where these things happen in for all the listening to please also you’ll be aware of this we see in here about events in news and so on so much faster than we ever did worldwide that you know it seems like something’s happening daily in the fact the matter is there’s always been something happening. We just didn’t know about it as quickly as we do today, Bill. So the reality is these are things that, you know, we’ve needed to know for a very long time. It’s not something that just came up.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah, I mean, statistically speaking, and we base all of our classes and our training scenarios and what we go over and things like that based on FBI statistics outside of gang and drug-related violence, right? It’s pretty much your your everyday citizen kind of attacks, and you’re very unlikely, statistically speaking, to even be in a gunfight and a knife fight. You’re more likely to be attacked with a screwdriver or some kind of a blunt force object, such as like a hammer or something like that. You know, everybody wants to train the cool stuff, but, you know, you’re probably going to get sucker punched more likely than… Especially if you’re in Cincinnati.
SPEAKER 11 :
Sorry, I just had to throw that in, because if you’re in Cincinnati, yeah, chances are pretty high. Yeah, and, you know, but… Which, you know, not to laugh, Bill, because that’s a situation I’m not laughing at, but, you know, the reality is what you just said is very true. I mean, look at what happened there, and there weren’t any weapons involved other than fists.
SPEAKER 03 :
Right, yeah. Yeah, I mean, that’s, you know, that’s a weapon that everybody has, you know, and everybody… you know, is more likely to throw than anything else.
SPEAKER 11 :
Okay, so, you know, given that that scenario happened as well, I know we’re talking about, you know, active shooter and all of that, but given that we’ve got you and Brandon both here, let’s, you know, just for a minute, let’s take a little sideline down that situation in Cincinnati where, you know, all of a sudden, you know, and by the way, this was a pretty healthy fit, you know, not – not young, but probably in his, I’m guessing from looking, 35, 40 years of age, white guy, who, by the way, wasn’t overweight, wasn’t fat, nothing along. I mean, this guy’s pretty fit. I mean, you look at him in the pictures, and to me, looks like he’s a pretty fit individual. Yet, when you’ve got about eight guys on you, Bill… it’s pretty tough to defend yourself. So let’s go. I’ll start with you, Bill. If you find yourself in a situation like that, where all of a sudden there’s eight, 10 people coming at you, I mean, did he handle that correctly getting down on the fetal position and so on, or what could he have done differently?
SPEAKER 03 :
That’s the last thing I would have done. That’s the last thing. And again, I’m going to ruffle some feathers here, but you know, when you are told by a you know, person who is part of the BJJ cult, and I like BJJ, don’t get me wrong, but it’s not the end-all, like these guys believe, that, you know, most fights end up on the ground. That actually is not true, okay? That was done by Hicks and Gracie as a promotion. That was a statement made as a promotion to push BJJ. That’s the real history of it, right? If you look at a lot of actual sites on YouTube and things, very few of them end up on the ground. If you end up on the ground, it’s usually because somebody trips, right, and falls down. I am not going to the ground in the fetal position. No, no, no, no, no, no. Because now all these guys do is they’re all supposed to surround me and start kicking me.
SPEAKER 11 :
There’s pile driving at that point in time, right?
SPEAKER 03 :
Exactly. But you are in protection mode. In fact, two or more attackers, you’re probably in protection mode. And again, this is where we start to talk about principles and not necessarily techniques. Because techniques can change based on the presentation of whatever I’m being presented with. I’m going to use, okay, let’s just take this straight punch coming at me. In Krav Maga, we teach inside defense. Or you’ve got maybe a flip or something like that. But a lot of those unfortunately take a lot of training. It takes a lot of training to flip a punch. Okay. And you got to be in the fight. I’m boxing. I’m sparring with you. You know, again, this is self-defense, right? Somebody walking up to me and they, Hey, I’m going to get in the fight. I’m not going to probably stand there toe to toe with you. I’m going to start creating distance, right? I’m going to go into protection mode. Distance is my friend. I’m not going to be backing up, maintaining distance, trying to find the dominant angle, trying to find the way of escape. The only fight that I can guarantee I’m going to win is the one I don’t get in, okay? So if I’ve got multiple people on me, right, I’m in protection mode, I’m covering up my head, and I’m trying to get out of there. Maybe now I go into some clinch fighting, right, where we teach this a lot, where underhooks, overhooks, arm drags, whatever, to get through a crowd, okay? This is vital, get through the crowd. And by the way, mass shooting scenario too, aren’t I doing the same thing, John? See, this is the question you’ve got to ask yourself. Am I going to stand there, okay, bad guy’s got a gun, he’s walking around shooting people, I’m at whatever distance I’m at, Am I going to spend time drawing my gun and getting my gun out? Because, again, there might be more liabilities than I might be an asset. Sure, there’s been examples of some really good shooters that have taken people out. I can’t remember his last name, but that Kyle kid that shot that kid. Right, Rittenhouse. Yeah, incredible distance, great shot, right? He’s exceptional. He’s not everybody else. Not Kyle Rittenhouse. Go ahead. What’s that? Yeah, they’re not caught, right, for sure.
SPEAKER 11 :
Yeah, go ahead. Yeah, exactly.
SPEAKER 03 :
And, you know, they think they are because they took a class.
SPEAKER 11 :
Right.
SPEAKER 03 :
They think they are because they go to the range every once in a while, you know. But, again, that target’s moving. It’s not a paper target. You know, I don’t have perfect scenario. A lot of people going around. I don’t have any of that, right? So I’m going to ask the question, hey, am I going to get out of here? If my family’s with me, John, my main objective is I’m sorry. Get them out of there. I’m taking my family out. That’s right.
SPEAKER 11 :
Fully agree.
SPEAKER 03 :
If I’ve got a family at home, I better have that discussion with myself and with my family of, hey, I feel like it’s my moral obligation that I’ve got to defend the innocent people and I’m going to go in. But that comes at a cost. I was the hero and I went in there and I saved a bunch of strangers, but I got killed in the process and now I left my family hanging. You’ve got to have that serious discussion with yourself and with your family. Your wife might be like, how dare you? Don’t leave us. I need you. Good point.
SPEAKER 11 :
Great point. I mean… Yeah, and I mean, not to sound coy by any means, Bill or Brandon, but they’re our first responsibility. It’s great to be a hero and save others, and if you’re a single guy and you don’t have any other responsibilities, knock your socks off. And I’m not trying to tell people to be cowards by any means, Bill, but you have your own obligations you need to take care of first. And by the way, those are your first God-given responsibilities.
SPEAKER 03 :
Correct, correct. What do they tell you on the airplane?
SPEAKER 11 :
You’ve got to take care of yourself first before you can take care of anybody else.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah, because you’re no good if you don’t.
SPEAKER 11 :
That’s right.
SPEAKER 03 :
You’re no good to nobody if you don’t, right? And I’m no good to my family. I’m no good. And we even have this in the church, right? So you know I’m a pastor, and if people are like, hey, I’m good. I know I’m going to go to heaven. Great. But is your wife ready to lose you? Is your three-year-old son or daughter or whatever it may be ready to lose their father? You may be ready to go to heaven, but are they ready for you to go to heaven? Right.
SPEAKER 11 :
Good point. Great point.
SPEAKER 03 :
That’s a great point.
SPEAKER 11 :
And we still have Brandon with us, and I want to honor his time as well, because I know you guys are busy. You’ve got other things going on, and I appreciate you taking time out of your day. Let’s jump back over to the active shooter end of things, and whatever you wanted to involve Brandon with, let’s go ahead and do that while we have him today.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah, one of the things I want to talk about is this – This belief that I have to be trained by a police officer or be trained by military personnel. You know, a lot of times people will call me and go, are you police or military? Well, I am military. I’m a veteran, right? And Brandon is too. But we don’t teach any of that stuff because it’s out of context. And this is where I’d like Brandon to come in because, you know, he came in with that mindset and he learned real quick, oh, this shoe don’t fit no more.
SPEAKER 11 :
Okay. All right. Explain, Brandon.
SPEAKER 13 :
Yeah, absolutely. So, you know, we… We talk all the time when we’re teaching about context, context, context. Everything that we teach, it’s so important, the context of the environment that you’re dealing with. I came from a military background. We trained a lot of room clearing, urban operations, dealing with things like that, and you’re teaching and learning it in a very, very different context. I had gotten out of the military, and I took a course – that was a civilian context course for self-defense with a firearm, and it involved scenarios with home invasions and things like that, similar to this Level 3 class that we teach. And I ran through the scenario, and the guy that was the instructor for the course that was shadowing me pulled me off to the side, and he looked at me and said, what did you do in the military? Because I cleared that room, and I dealt with that situation like I… would have if I was doing that as somebody that was trained to do it in the military. And he went through and he did a great job going through, hey, what about this, this, this, and this that are all civilian context things. And now for years of training this stuff and teaching with Bill since then, We really, really harp on the importance of putting these things into context. What you would do in a combat zone deployment law enforcement situation is not necessarily the actions that you would necessarily take in a crowded mall, a crowded movie theater, in your own home with bedrooms and such. Back to what Bill was talking about, the importance of learning principles of what’s around you, the context of your situation, learning to take things in and adapt and change how you would respond to something based on the environment that you’re in because it’s so, so, so important.
SPEAKER 11 :
So in other words, Bill, you can still protect your family and do what’s necessary, not being in the military or not being in law enforcement is what you’re really saying.
SPEAKER 03 :
Well, yeah, because we are the citizen defender. That’s what you are. That’s your classification. You’re a citizen defender, right? And by the way, you take an elderly female and you go in there with that military mindset, she’s going to be like, I don’t know what you’re talking about. I can’t relate, right? I physically can’t do that. My mind isn’t there. And the same for law enforcement. You know, it takes a special individual to be a law, you know, a police officer, right? Not everybody is mentally there, okay? You know, I mean, there’s a lot of laws that they have to abide by. Right. There’s a lot of things that they have to do that restrain them from what I would do as a citizen. And then here’s the other thing, going back to the shooting incident. He shot the security guard. Right. And this is… On our vacation, it was the most funniest thing, right? So at the Walmart parking lot, they had a spot and they had a sign there that said, this spot is reserved for our law enforcement partners. And somebody had happened to park the little electric elderly buggy in that space instead of returning it back into the building. They parked it in that spot. And I’m like, oh, this is hysterical. I took a picture and I’m like, hey, we’re in good hands, boys. Yeah.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah.
SPEAKER 03 :
But you know what? Isn’t that true? How many security guards have you seen that are out of shape, they’re overweight? Are they really going to push, come to shove? Are they really going to put their lives on the line for you? The answer is no, John. On a spiritual level, let me just throw this out there, okay? The bad guys, right, I would classify them as, you know, children of Satan, okay? I mean, that’s what they are, right? Right. If I have a police officer at my church, rented police officer, rented security guard that’s not a Christian, spiritually, are they aligned?
SPEAKER 11 :
No.
SPEAKER 03 :
Isn’t the church better off to take care of itself?
SPEAKER 11 :
I would say so, yeah.
SPEAKER 03 :
Train up your people, train up yourself so that you’re fighting the fight spiritually as well as physically. I think this is an important thing, too. And why am I saying this? Because we falsely put our trust into that. Now, it may be a deterrent, but I don’t really think it is. I’m looking at that guy going, dude, I could totally outrun you by walking. And it’s like, well, you’re not going to save me. It’s like when Brandon and I, we took our AHA instructor certification test. And every single one of our instructors was, what would you say, Brandon, like 300 pounds. They instantly lost credibility to me. They’re teaching me how to save somebody’s life. And I’m like, dude, you don’t even know how to save your own life by eating correctly. I mean, I’m sorry.
SPEAKER 11 :
No, that’s a good point. No, that’s a great point. And I just had a message that came in, and I would agree with this as well, Bill, and I think this is probably something that you would, you know, A, am I competent in my ability? And the reality is, you know, whether you are or aren’t, Bill, and I’ll ask Brandon the same thing, isn’t one of the best things to do if you can? I know you talked about it a moment ago, but I want to be very specific on this. Shouldn’t you put as much distance between you and the shooter as you possibly can to start with?
SPEAKER 03 :
Absolutely. But why are you doing that?
SPEAKER 11 :
Number one, the farther away I am, the worse shot he’s going to become. And my chances of survival increase the farther away I get from him. Am I correct?
SPEAKER 03 :
Oh, yeah, absolutely. But I’m asking the question to the person who’s making that distance. Are they making that distance so that they got time to make that shot?
SPEAKER 11 :
Me personally, Bill, I’m making that distance. So I am out of all of that nonsense going on. And I want to make sure if anybody’s with me, I am completely out of harm’s way. At that point in time, if I want to reconsider engaging or doing something along those lines, so be it. But my first, especially if I’ve got people with me, family and so on, wife, my first, to me personally, my first goal is we’ve got to get to safety first before anything else happens.
SPEAKER 03 :
Right, and I understand that with you. My question would be to whoever asks me that question is like, well, what’s your reason? Again, what’s the principle of you getting away? Oh, so I’ve got a clearer shot. Yeah, I know. You have the right to retreat, right? You have the duty to retreat. And so if I’m bettering my position to take a shot and then I happen to kill somebody innocent because that bullet goes through or maybe I miss or whatever, you know what? You’re… You’re a liability. You’re not an asset. You’ve made the situation worse, you know, by doing so. And I think that’s what people need to realize. And this is, and I got a little worked up. I don’t know if you can tell or not, but I’m pretty passionate about this because this is the, people think that the gun is the answer. And it’s like, yeah, no. In me, even if I am, John, even if I am going to make distance and get away and tell my wife, hey, I’m going to go back after this guy, I feel a responsibility. to do so okay cool I’m not going to come in and shoot him I’m probably going to try to take the tactical advantage on him and I’m probably going to try to go hands on with him because if I go shooting we did this thing at our church one time and I said hey if you guys are carrying could you stay after church for about five minutes I just want to chat with you guys a little bit and so church ended and I don’t know about three or four people got up and maybe I was like hey maybe you guys didn’t understand if you guys are carrying a gun I want you to hang out for five or so minutes. And nobody moved. And I’m like, you mean to tell me all you guys have guns? And they all went, yep. And my heart sank. Literally, you would think, oh, my heart’s excited because my heart sank. Because if somebody were to walk in that church, John, bullets would be going everywhere. And it’s like, okay, Brandon, we got to get some security measures. We got to get some training going on. because we’re just going to shoot each other. We’re just going to shoot each other.
SPEAKER 11 :
And, Brandon, I’m guessing, Brandon, for you, that’s the difference between what we’re talking about versus what you get training-wise in the military, because you guys are, because of training and the fact that you’re all in sync when you’re out on a mission or you’re clearing or you’re doing whatever it is you’re doing, you guys are all in sync because, A, you’ve had the training and you’ve talked about this all on the front side before going into said mission, right? Right.
SPEAKER 13 :
Absolutely. So, you know, we’re talking about a coordinated team that’s done hundreds and hundreds of practice reps together, if not thousands, with a very clear plan and goal in mind when you’re going to, you know, address some sort of mission or target. Whereas, you know, something like an active shooting in the church, nobody has any coordination. And, you know, we discovered that and we shored that up within our church. You know, we developed a—we brought people in. We provided training to a lot of those people. Have them work together. We assign people security roles within the church, quadrant sectors, things like that.
SPEAKER 11 :
Yeah, I’m assuming even as far as drilling down, even Brandon, to where you have them specifically sitting in certain areas whereby they’ve got a better advantage and so on. I mean, to me, that would be one of the things to do if you’re in charge of security along those lines is, hey, I want all my people positioned in the right places, right?
SPEAKER 13 :
A hundred percent now we have it set up now. And we didn’t have that in place before. And now we have specific people within the church that we know will be caring, and they know where they’re supposed to sit, and they know what part of the church that they are responsible for if something was to happen. So, I mean, if you are someone who operates within a building, a fixed space, a church, et cetera, having those kinds of security measures and plans in place can be absolutely huge, not just for protecting your space if there was to be some sort of active shooter event, but to prevent there from being friendly fire and casualties, unintended casualties from somebody that was trying to be helpful and protective.
SPEAKER 11 :
I’m guessing, too, as well, Brandon, that when a church is pretty well known for having this dialed in, you’ve got a great security team, you’ve taken the right measures. It’s not just, yeah, we have a security team because we’ve got a bunch of guys that carry. No, we’ve actually been through all the training. We know exactly what to do. We’ve got things positioned in such a way that if somebody comes in, our church active shooter, they’re going to be taken out right away because everybody there has been trained to do so. I’m guessing that that really probably detracts. I mean, there can be random people driving by, I guess. But in a lot of cases, these are individuals that know someone and they are doing this for some sort of a reason, a vendetta, whatever the case may be, meaning they’ve usually thought this out on the front side. My gut feeling, Brandon, is when the bad guy knows that this thought process is there and you guys have those systems in place, they’re thinking twice about doing it in the first place.
SPEAKER 13 :
Well, and even if they aren’t aware of what’s going on, we have ours set up such that there’s somebody that’s watching the parking lot, they’re watching outside. If somebody comes into the parking lot, they’re sitting out there in a vehicle. Weirdly, we’ve had some people that doing laps around the parking lot in the middle of church service, acting suspiciously, and we have somebody who is watching for stuff like that.
SPEAKER 11 :
And really quick, Brandon, to jump in, we’ve seen scenarios here of late where churches have very much done what you just said, must have done the same things you guys are talking about. They were able to take some of these individuals out before they ever even got inside the church. That means they’ve done the same things you guys are talking about doing.
SPEAKER 13 :
Yeah, no, absolutely. It’s unlikely, I know, in our church environment that somebody would make it up to the building before being identified and being being stopped.
SPEAKER 11 :
And the reality, Bill and Brandon, Brandon with you especially, so many churches, unfortunately, once the sermon starts and everybody’s inside, because everybody wants to be in church, there’s nobody outside watching anything. I mean, that’s great, you want to be in the service, but the reality is none of what you just talked about happens if everybody’s inside the church listening to the sermon. Am I right?
SPEAKER 13 :
No, 100%. And we’re fortunate the way that our church is laid out, that person actually can be inside the building and monitor everything just because we have the viewpoints and the vantage points. That doesn’t work for every single church. A lot of churches have much bigger buildings. We’re a relatively small church, so there’s not a lot to watch. But in a larger building, it would just be having a dedicated security team that is trained. They know what to do. They have a schedule, a plan. They rotate out. And, you know, if there’s a sacrifice that has to be made, that somebody’s going to, you know, miss a sermon here or there because they’re in that role with the church. You know, to me, that’s a very valid tradeoff.
SPEAKER 11 :
Brandon, talk to us about some of the things, again, that you kind of found as enlightening, you know, going into the civilian side and the things that we’re talking about and the things that you now help train on versus the way that you are trained militarily speaking. And question I have for you personally, did you in your own mind have to start retraining, rethinking about some of these things that would have naturally occurred, you being, you know, you coming out of the military?
SPEAKER 13 :
Yeah, so I’ll take that into your question first. So 100% a retrain on my end. One of the biggest pieces for me, you know, coming from a military background is, A, Uh, stepping out of the context of, and with, you know, a self-defense context, you are not going to have a team behind you. You’re not going to have somebody that’s coming in the door, either in front of you or behind you. So stepping into a mindset of you’re operating on your own, right? You’re not just, you’re not just, you don’t have a team. You don’t have somebody else to clear the other corner while you’re cleaning, clearing this corner, you know, the huge change, huge change in your techniques and tactics. And the other big thing for me is, you know, in the military, I train primarily with a rifle, you know, clearing rooms with rifles. And there’s transition that you have to make when you go from learning to clear a room with one type of, you know, one weapons platform to another. So just changing, you know, techniques and tactics to work with a handgun and, you know, other non-lethal weapons. Techniques and yeah, and that’s really another huge factor is whether you do or don’t use lethal force, right? A lot of times in military context, not always, but a large majority of the time that you are working in a, you know, a lethal first shoot to kill situation. environment, and that may not be the contact civilian. It might not be possible from a civilian context because of your surroundings and people, you know, what’s beyond your target. Right. Good point.
SPEAKER 11 :
And, Bill, really quick, one more time, if folks want to know more about this, how to be trained and so on, how do they do that?
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah, they can look at the website PREP and the number to protect CO. Please put the CO. It’s very important. PREP, number two, protect CO. And you can look at the training there. And I would even say this. If you’re in the Denver metro area and you are a part of a church, part of a security team or whatever, get in touch with us because Brennan and I will come out free of charge and help you set up a security team and do some training with you. You know, we will do that as part of a ministry to protect, you know, the body of Christ. And so, you know, we’ll throw that out there. Now, if you live in Wyoming or something, that’s a little bit of a trip for us. But, you know, you get the point. You know, before we end too, Brandon, when they lived in North Carolina there and he was in active duty, you guys actually had a potential home invasion. You want to share that story?
SPEAKER 13 :
Yeah, absolutely. So one day my wife, Wife and I are at home on a weekend. She is, I don’t know, almost nine months pregnant at the time with our first child. This was about 11 years ago. And I hear a bunch of bang, bang, bang, bang, bang on our back door. And at our back door, that is slamming on our big sliding glass door is a young man who is out of his mind and panicking. And he doesn’t speak much English. He’s speaking to us. Primarily in Spanish. I’m catching a little bit of what he’s saying here and there. And he’s basically, you get the context that he thinks somebody is after him and he’s freaking out. And he’s trying to get in the house. He’s trying to get us to let him into the house to get him away from whoever’s after him. And so I immediately… I tell my wife, I keep my eyes on him. I say, hey, go get the gun. I keep my eyes on him. I say, grab my gun, call 911. I kept my eyes on him the entire time watching him. She goes and brings my gun. I covertly snatch it so that I’m not, you know, I don’t, this kid seems like he’s out of his mind, right? He doesn’t seem in his right mind. Police get up. They detain him. They grab him. Turns out that he was somebody who lived in the neighborhood. He actually worked at the Mexican restaurant around the corner that we frequented regularly, and he was having a mental, you know, schizophrenic break. He had, you know, he had mental health issues. He had no weapons. He had no guns. He had nothing. He had actually thrown his suitcase full of all of his clothes and stuff underneath our deck, which we didn’t find out until afterwards. He, at one point, when I was standing there interacting with him, was trying to hand me a big old bundle of cash, several thousand dollars, to let him in the house. And the reason Bill asked me to bring up that story is you don’t always know. We talk context, context, context. Every situation, you have to respond differently. Had I pulled out a gun, pulled out my gun, had my gun on him, You know, it could have turned into a very, very different situation. And it actually just turned out that it was a kid with a mental health issue, you know, with nothing that needed to become violent in that situation. Great point.
SPEAKER 11 :
Brad, I’m going to let you go. I appreciate you very much joining us. Thank you. We’ve only got a few minutes left. I’ll let you get back to work. But thank you so much. I really appreciate it. All right, thanks, John. You bet. We’ll have you back again in the future. Bill, thanks for bringing him on. Great story. Okay, so let’s try to slip one more thing in before we end. We’ve got about, oh, three minutes or so left here of the show. After we figure out if we’re competent in the ability and the context in the environment, what’s next?
SPEAKER 03 :
You’ve got to decide what your moral obligation is, and you really have to make that decision of, hey, am I going to, am I just going to get home? Am I going to save my family? Am I going to do this? Or am I going to engage? And then from that decision, now you need to have that principle-based training on how do you engage correctly? Because like I said, even if you pull out a gun and you start shooting and somebody, you know, incidental gets hit or whatever, you’ve got bigger problems. You know what I mean? You now got Potential life, you know, you’re the hero. You’ve got potential lawsuits. You’ve got all kinds of things. And it’s still on your conscience.
SPEAKER 11 :
I mean, there’s that factor, too, Bill. I mean, let’s not forget that. You still have that on your conscience.
SPEAKER 03 :
Well, and that’s something, too. We start every class off like, hey, you really got to answer that question. Are you willing to take a life? And understanding what that comes with. Right, because your life will change forever. You know, if you have kids in school, now you’re, hey, your daddy killed somebody. You know, I mean, you could lose your job. You could lose social connections. I mean, the list goes on and on. Not only that, you could go bankrupt defending your innocence in a court. So you really need to understand. That’s why we’ve got to understand the gun is not the answer. You know, on our trip to Florida here, My wife asked me, hey, can you bring your gun? I said, nah. She’s like, well, why not? I’m like, I don’t really need it. You know, I’ve got other skill sets, you know.
SPEAKER 11 :
And it’s a big hassle to do so, Bill, as you know.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah. Well, yeah, and not only that, but could you imagine if I did end up having to shoot somebody out of state, and it’s like, okay, I’m locked up now, and the family gets to come back home, and I mean, what was that scenario? That guy left around in his backpack something or whatever?
SPEAKER 11 :
Oh, he was in another country, but yeah, he almost didn’t get back home. I mean, yeah, the risk of having that in your travel bag period, I mean, I get it. There’s guys that hunt and do different things, and that’s not what I’m talking about, but in… That particular scenario, Bill, and I’m with you. I’m like, you know what? There’s other things, other ways to handle things besides the gun, especially when I’m traveling. Yeah, that’s probably the last thing I’m going to worry about.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah, and that’s why you’ve got to get that skill set of an understanding of, hey, there’s other things that I could do. You know, I could fly to Florida, go up to Home Depot, buy some wasp spray, carry some wasp spray with me, carry some bear spray with me, carry something with me. You know, I did take my… My knife with me, you know, and the joke is, you know, you’ve heard the joke, oh, you brought a knife to a gunfight? You better believe I did, and I’m probably going to win, John. I mean, if you’re dealing with me, I’m probably going to win. So you’ve got to understand that. You don’t know the level of the person you’re dealing with. That’s another thing. There’s been multiple MMA people that have been attacked. There was one guy, I can’t remember his name. He was pretty high up there. had a home invasion, right? And this is a trained MMA guy. Ended up fighting the guy in his house for 45 minutes before he could put that guy down. Why? Because the guy was off script, right? Off script, and you never know.
SPEAKER 11 :
They’re either hopped up on drugs, all sorts of other things can come into play.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah, and Brandon will tell you, too, there’s a lot of Navy SEALs out there. There’s a lot of military people who have very little exposure to hand-to-hand combat. They don’t train it. It’s like doctors. They don’t really train how to take care of nutrition.
SPEAKER 11 :
Right, good point.
SPEAKER 03 :
They’re not trained that. And so it’s like very little hand-to-hand. So you get me, and I’m a wild card, and I’m not throwing proper punches where you know how to defend a proper punch. I’m throwing all this crazy, wacky stuff, and you’re just doing the best you can to survive, right? So that’s what I’m saying. I go back. Technique can fail you. Principles. Make that distance. Transition to that dominant angle. Look for the way of escape. I mean, at the end of the day, John, I mean… Great, if I want to be a hero and save somebody, great, good on me. But at the end of the day, unless you’re really at that level, just get out of there.
SPEAKER 11 :
Yeah, that’s right.
SPEAKER 03 :
Get out of there. All right, more to come next week. You’re better off calling somebody, right, 911? You’re better off getting out there and dialing the phone.
SPEAKER 11 :
That’s right. Guys, we’ll have more next week. Never fear. Bill, I’ll let you roll. Thank you very much. Prep2ProtectCO.com. And as always, Bill, thanks. We’ll see you next week. Talk to you next week. All right, man. Appreciate it very much. We’ll be right back. Ready-radio.com.
SPEAKER 08 :
Even in the age of AI, looking for the right insurance can be a huge hassle. Paul Leuenberger has you covered without the hassle. He works with the best in the business. Hartford, Travelers, Safeco, Liberty Mutual, Nationwide, Allstate, AIG, Chubb, Pure, Berkeley, Grundy, Hagerty, and more. He’s local, independent, and licensed in Wyoming, Colorado, Arizona, Nevada, and Texas. and he’s expanding into more states soon. Paul’s mission is simple, to find the right coverage at the best value and to treat every client like family. So whether you’re shopping for home, auto, or something more unique, don’t shop online. Call Paul at 303-662-0789 today. That’s 303-662-0789. Paul Leuenberger, insurance made easy.
SPEAKER 09 :
Need new glasses fast? With Stack Optical’s on-site lab, you’ll get your prescription glasses in just three to four days. No long wait times. Hey, this is Scott Whatley, and I’ve trusted my eye care to Allen Stack and Stack Optical for the last 15 years. Eye exams are only $69. and that should be a part of your physical checkups each year. For over 50 years, Denver has trusted this family-owned boutique eye care center for premium vision care, custom eyewear, and expert repairs. See the Stack Optical difference today. Call 303-321-1578. That’s 303-321-1578, and tell them Scott sent you. Stack Optical. Since 1968, at Stack Optical, you’ll see the difference.
SPEAKER 01 :
Tailored Services Real Estate is a unique real estate company that tailors services to each individual client. At Tailored Services Real Estate, we understand that your home is more than just a place. It’s your future. That’s why we offer a personalized, hands-on approach to buying and selling homes. From consultation services to full service real estate, you can choose the services you need at an affordable cost. We take the time to understand your needs, desires and goals. Whether you’re a first-time buyer or a seasoned investor looking to upgrade your existing home or ready to downsize, Julia will create a strategy just for you. No cookie-cutter solutions, only results that fit your unique lifestyle. Julia, with Tailored Services Real Estate, works hard to save you money without sacrificing expertise. And start your journey with a truly tailored experience.
SPEAKER 12 :
Running an auto repair business or any small business means dealing with technology every day. But when tech issues pop up, who do you turn to? Most IT people are impatient, unreliable, and let’s be honest, kind of condescending. At Ease My Pain IT Services, we do things differently. We provide patient, reliable, friendly, rock-solid IT support so you can focus on your customers and not computer or software issues. For one affordable monthly rate, you get unlimited IT support tailored to your business needs. No surprises, no stress, just solutions. Let us ease your IT pain today. Call 303-747-6767 or visit easemypain.biz today and see what our happy clients are saying.
SPEAKER 11 :
All right, we are back, closing out here, Ready Radio. Again, website ready-radio.com. You can always go there and find not only all the different things that we talk about and some of the items, and Bill Anderson, who was with us today, but you can also find past episodes, things that you may want to listen to, and forward on to others and so on. So one other thing I wanted to add. In closing, and Bill and I will come back and talk about some of this next week, and we did kind of brush up on this today. But, you know, first and foremost is that situational awareness, meaning that no matter where you are at any given time, what is going on around you, whether you’re going to a ballgame, whether you’re just taking a walk, whether you’re out at the park, whether you’re – you know at a concert the movie theaters whatever the case may be church even you know we talked about how they’ve got their security team sitting in different places in the church on purpose so are you somebody when you go to a restaurant always has your face to the door or do you sit with your back to the door hopefully you sit with your face to the door so you can always see who’s coming and going and so on and those are the sorts of things that I’m talking about making sure you understand situationally the things that are happening around you and never letting your guard down, which I know can be kind of tedious at times, but it’s what we have to do when we’re out in public. All right, that’s it for this episode of Ready Radio. This week’s episode, I should say, we’ll be back next week. We’ll cover more of this. And by the way, if we need two or three weeks to do this, we will do just that so we get all of these things covered and being aware of all those things around you and what to do in any kind of an active attacking situation. Ready Radio, KLZ 560.
SPEAKER 07 :
The views and opinions expressed on KLZ 560 are those of the speaker, commentators, hosts, their guests, and callers. They are not necessarily the views and opinions of Crawford Broadcasting or KLZ management, employees, associates, or advertisers. KLZ 560 is a Crawford Broadcasting God and country station.
