Discover a blend of history and modern discourse as Kim Munson engages with Doyle Glass on the Kim Munson Show. As Doyle shares insights from his book ‘Swift Sword,’ he sheds light on the tremendous courage displayed by Marines during a pivotal day in the Vietnam War. Kim ties these historical feats to current themes of personal liberty, questioning the dynamics between freedom and imposed force in today’s society. With contemporary headlines and heartfelt stories, this episode is a tribute to bravery both in the past and present.
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What that means is I purchase my airtime so I have full freedom and control over the show and so truly an entrepreneur. You can listen to the show on all KLZ 560 platforms. That’s KLZ 560 AM, KLZ 100.7 FM, the KLZ website, and the KLZ app. And then once we have the show summaries posted on my website, you can go there, you can just click on the image of that day, and it’ll bring up the the written summary, as well as the podcast. And once that podcast is posted, you can also listen to that on the streaming services such as iTunes and Spotify. We search for truth and clarity on the show by looking at these issues through the lens of freedom versus force, force versus freedom. If something’s a good idea, you should not have to force people to do it. And my friends, it’s never compassionate to take other people’s stuff, whether or not it’s their rights, their property, freedom, livelihood, opportunities or lives via force. And force could be a weapon policy, unpredictable and excessive taxation, fear, coercion, government induced inflation. The agendas of the World Economic Forum, these are all connected. The globalist elites, the United Nations, the Colorado State Legislature, this Colorado governor, the World Health Organization, land use codes, zoning regulations, force fees, and the list goes on and on. If something’s a good idea, you shouldn’t have to use force to implement it. Our word of the day is a great word of the day for today. It’s venerate, and that is spelled V-E-N-E-R-A-T-E. And it could, number one, be to regard with reverential respect or with admiring deference, or number two, to honor with a ritual act of devotion. And we’ll be talking with Doyle Glass. Did I spell it? Let me just do that. Make sure. V-E-N-E-R-A-T-E. And we’ll be talking with Doyle Glass in the second segment. He is the author of Swift Sword, The True Story of the Marines of Mike 3-5 in Vietnam on 4 September 1967. And he is doing a national push with his book this week to honor our Vietnam veterans or venerate our Vietnam veterans. And so your challenge is to use the word venerate in a sentence today. Our quote of the day, because back in 1944, this was the beginning of the Battle of the Bulge in World War II. So I went to George Patton, General George Patton, for our quote. He was born in San Gabriel, California, in 1885. He died from injuries from a Jeep accident in 1945. He was a U.S. Army officer, was an outstanding practitioner of mobile tank warfare in the European and Mediterranean theaters during World War II. His strict discipline, toughness, and self-sacrifice elicited exceptional pride within his ranks, and the general was colorfully referred to as old blood and guts by his men. However, his brash actions and temper did lead to numerous controversies during his career. But he said this, if everyone is thinking alike, someone isn’t thinking, and that’s General Patton. So another thing this day in history, 1773, the Boston Tea Party with the Sons of Liberty protesters throw tea shipments into the Boston Harbor in protest against the British imposed tea tax. And for the week of Christmas, we are pre-recording our shows and amazing guests, amazing interviews. So Colonel Bill Rutledge, you know him. He’s retired, United States Air Force, 96 years young. We recorded a show regarding the Boston Tea Party, but there were other tea parties as well, and so you won’t want to miss that. In 1864, in the Civil War, the Battle of Nashville ends with 4,400 casualties. 1918, German troops evacuate Finland. Give over Kiev in Ukraine to revolutionary forces and pull back from Estonia as Bolshevik forces move in. So there’s that’s another spot that there has just been unrest throughout history as Ukraine. As I mentioned, 1944, Nazi Germany launches a counteroffensive against the Allies in the Ardennes region of Belgium, beginning the Battle of the Bulge. 1950, U.S. President Harry Truman proclaims state of emergency against communist imperialism. and uh 2020 uh global warming ha a major winter storm hits u.s northeast resulting in at least seven deaths and binghamton new york received a record 41 inches of snow and so that’s why they changed it back in the 70s they said that the world was going to freeze and when that didn’t happen then it was global warming And when we realized that temperatures, weather does change, it became climate change. So that is why we would highly recommend you. And the whole climate change narrative is being used. The Green New Deal is being used to take our taxpayer dollars as well as borrowing from our children to put green into cronies pockets is what’s happening there. And so be sure and check out climateconversation.com which is the documentary that i had the great honor to moderate it is walt johnson’s project you can watch it for free at a climateconversation.com and it is um we’re doing a whole podcast series as well and you can watch all that there so that’s super important Several headlines to get through. First of all, so exciting for Travis Hunter from University of Colorado. And this is from Channel 7. Colorado’s Travis Hunter wins the Heisman Trophy, second buff ever to do this. And Hunter hauled in, we mentioned this the other day, 92 passes and 14 touchdowns as a receiver, both tops in the Big 12 Conference. And his 1,152 receiving yards ranked him third. He also led the conference in passes defended and intercepted four passes. And the other CU buff who had won the award was Whizzer White. He went on to become a Supreme Court justice. And so pretty exciting. And congratulations to Whizzer. Travis Hunter. Next headline that I wanted to just hit. This is amazing. And I’ve got to get a list of these. This is from, let’s see here, the Denver Post. Governor Jared Polis cuts through executive orders wielding a circular saw on his desk. Now, Colorado is over-regulated, and it still is. But you can see really kind of the brilliance, in a way, of the visual that he has of cutting through regulations, supposedly, with regulations on his desk. Let’s find out what those regulations were. But yet there’s all of these onerous things that are happening in Colorado. But the visual that this is for the… I don’t want to say casual voter, but but the just everyday people that are just watching the news aren’t really delving deeper into this because they’re busy with their lives and their families is it’s an interesting visual. So you can see that Governor Polis is trying to change his tune or appear to change his tune because of his he’d like to run for president at some point in time. And then number three, let’s see. This is really of concern. This is from Insider, and we’re concerned about these drones that are spotted over the East Coast. They’re saying that they don’t have a whole lot of answers on this yet. I think they probably do, but they’re just not telling us. It says dozens of unidentified aircraft have been spotted over cities in the eastern United States. And some of these have been seen flying over military bases and airports. The FBI said Saturday it’s still investigating but doesn’t believe they pose a threat. Well, tell us why you think that they don’t pose a threat. And then lastly, Doge, that is Elon Musk, and this is from the Tampa Free Press. Elon Musk and Vivek Ramaswamy are taking aim at the U.S. Department of Education after that department spent $1 billion on diversity, equity, and inclusion. So again, this is where they dole out the money, government grants, and then they then force these different school districts to bring in this training. It’ll be under teacher training. They spent a billion dollars on that. I think that we can stop doing that. Immediately. Thank you to the Harris family for their gold sponsorship of the show. And also the Roger Mangan State Farm Insurance team can help you hopefully save some money on your insurance. Insurance is getting more and more expensive. If you bundle your insurance together, you might be able to save some money. That means bundling your home and your auto and your boat, all those things. But reach out to the Roger Mangan team for a complimentary appointment. That number is 303-795-8855. Like a good neighbor, the Roger Mangan team is there.
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And welcome back to The Kim Monson Show. Be sure and check out our website. That is Kim Monson, M-O-N-S-O-N.com. Sign up for our weekly email newsletter, and you can email me at Kim at KimMonson.com as well. Thank you to all of you who support us. We’re an independent voice, and we search for truth and clarity by looking at these issues. through the lens of freedom versus force force versus freedom if something’s a good idea you should not have to force people to do it and i wanted to mention the usmc memorial which is located right here in colorado this is the official marine memorial it’s out at 6th and colfax it was dedicated in 1977 and paula sarles who is a marine veteran a gold star wife and the president of the foundation she and her team are working diligently to raise the money for the remodel of the marine memorial And as we’re going to be talking with Doyle Glass here and his big push this week to honor our Vietnam veterans, a great thing to do would be to make a contribution also to the USMC Memorial Foundation. It is so important to honor those that have given their lives, have been willing to give their lives. for our liberty. And so that would be a great thing to do. That website is usmcmemorialfoundation.org. Doyle Glass is on the line with me, and he is the author of Swift Sword, The True Story of the Marines of Mike 3-5 in Vietnam for September 1967. Doyle Glass, welcome to the show.
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Thank you, Kim. It’s a real honor to be here once again, and thank you for all that you do.
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Well, it’s truly my honor to do so. And I have my copy of Swift Sword here in my hand, and I intend to read that over Christmas break. So I’ve got it. And it’s an important book. So let’s talk, first of all, about the book and then what you’re doing this week nationally. So and I know that you’ve been on the show and we did feature on you on America’s Veterans Stories. But for those of that might have missed those shows, tell us about the book.
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The book is about one day of intense combat during the Vietnam War. And back when we were honoring our greatest generation, our World War II generation, I had a realization that we needed to do the same for our Vietnam veterans who didn’t get the welcome that they needed or should have gotten when they came home. And I realized that the historical record was kind of empty with those stories. So back in the early 2000s, I went on a mission to interview veterans of one particular representative action in the Quezon Valley in 1967. And the result is Swift Sword, a true account from the men who were there about what it was like there. to fight in Vietnam, the challenges that they had to overcome, the camaraderie, the honor, the gallantry, and to let all Americans know what these men did so that they can be honored and thanked.
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I think that is so important. And you’re doing a national push this week on this as well, right?
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Yes, we want this book to be a bestseller, and the reason for that is that we want the word out. It’s time to thank our Vietnam veterans. It’s time to know what they did. Most people don’t even know what our Vietnam veterans did or have an inkling. This book does that, so we’re doing a national push all week to get this book on a bestseller list. And really, to get the word out, you go to Amazon. There is a 99-cent special on the e-book. On my website, there is a paperback special price-wise. And the goal here is to know what these men did. Think about when we send any of our servicemen and women over to fight our wars. And most importantly, to thank our Vietnam generation. They’re in your family, the uncles, grandfathers, to go up and just shake their hand and say thank you for what you did for our liberty.
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I would also recommend that if people have a veteran, particularly a Vietnam veteran in their family, is sit down with them and get your cell phone out and record their story for the family. I think that is so important. So many people, and there are those that might not want to do that. I get that. I had been referred to a Vietnam veteran once. uh just recently that had been in combat and reached out to him to see if and he’s very active at supporting veterans if he would like to tell a story for america’s veteran stories and he said no i don’t think so because i don’t want to bring those memories back up But there are those that it might be healing for them to talk about it. So you certainly want to honor if they don’t want to talk about it. But I think that just asking your veteran if they would be interested, and if they do, get your phone out, your family member, because it really is a treasure. And I would suggest that people do that, Doyle.
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Oh, absolutely. You bring up such an important point because, you know, when these men pass, their stories pass with them, and they won’t be here for future generations. And, you know, I ran into the difficulty, obviously, and, you know, respected those veterans who did not want to talk. But to your point, a lot of them that did, it was very healing for them to speak about what happened. And they all felt safe. the mission of their comrades lost and honoring their memory about what they did was so important. Because once we have the stories, we’ll have them forever. But if we don’t get them now, pull out your phone like you just said, we won’t have them, and we need them. Our country needs them.
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Well, and so that’s why your book, Swift Sword, is important because you interviewed, what, 49 different veterans for this book? Yes.
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Exactly. And also family members of those who didn’t come back. Lieutenant J.D. Murray, who was the commander of my company on Operation Swift on September the 4th, gave me a charge. He said… This book needs to be like the book With the Old Breed by E.B. Sledge. Sledge was a Marine veteran who fought at Peleliu and Okinawa during World War II. The HBO miniseries The Pacific is based in part on his memoir. And Lieutenant Murray said, this book must be like that because that book is real. What we went through is real, and it has to be recorded for future generations. And that’s what I set out to do was to create an authentic book. And on to that path, I interviewed – 50 was the number – an amazing journey for me personally to become friends with and talk to these men. It changed my life, my perspective on everything. So, you know, I hope that, and according to Murray, I accomplished my objective, which is what I wanted to do. And it’s a real honor for me to just be a part to help preserve what these men did.
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You know, I’m looking at, I love pictures in books, and I’m looking at this, two pictures right here. The first one is, it says the second squad, second platoon, and if you will notice as you look at that, it’s a very diverse group of young men, young men, let’s say young men. But I think that that’s so important to recognize that. But then you also have a picture of Lance Corporal Jack Swan, who was the point man. And just tell us a little bit about that story of Jack Swan.
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Jack Swan volunteered to be the point man. And the point man is the person who’s at the tip of the spear of Completely. He’s the one that’s going to face the danger. If the enemy is out there, he’s the first one to encounter that enemy. It’s probably the most dangerous position to be in an infantry situation like this. So Jack Swan was the eagle eye, and he, like I said, he volunteered for this position. He was a little bit crazy. But as these men came over this bare knoll in the Quezon Valley on their way to provide reinforcement to another company of Marines that was under ambush, he looked out onto this calm rice paddy devoid of all life on a very sunny midday and thought he saw a bush move. He yelled back to his squad commander, said, hey, saw a bush move and squad commander said if it moves again shoot it that’s exactly what happened the nva who outnumbered these men at least five to one were so well camouflaged that the men couldn’t even see them in broad daylight until jack swan saw that bush move it was a veteran nba soldier incomplete camouflage and it opened up the ambush bottom line swan’s actions save the company if they had moved completely into this large rice paddy the nba would have opened up the ambush and it would have overwhelmed the 164 men it would have been another alamo or a thermopoly battle the marines would have been wiped out but but for swan’s eagle eye they were able to take a piece of high ground called the knoll, really just a small bare hill, and hang on for dear life as they fought back this incredible ambush.
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Oh, it’s a remarkable story. And so, my friends, and if you’re wondering what would be a good gift for that veteran in your family, purchase Swift Sword this week because this is the big national push. Your final thought, Doyle Glasson, thank you so much for writing this book.
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My final thought is to honor the veterans, say thank you. The reason we have these liberties and we’re able to speak on your radio show and to have the freedoms we have is because of our veterans, especially our Vietnam veterans. Say thank you to them. They did not get the thanks that they needed when they came home. Get their stories out. Go to my website, DoyleGlass.com, to purchase the book at a special price. Amazon, Swift Sword, the 99-cent e-book. Go – this week to purchase it so that we can make this book a bestseller and we can honor our Vietnam veterans like we need to.
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Thank you, Doyle Glass. And again, Swift Sword, the true story of the Marines of Mike 3-5 in Vietnam for September 1967. So yes, let’s make this a bestseller. Doyle Glass, thank you so much.
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Thank you, Kim, and Merry Christmas.
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Welcome back to The Kim Monson Show. Be sure and check out our website. That is KimMonson.com. Sign up for our weekly email newsletter and you can email me at Kim at KimMonson.com as well. Thank you to all of you who support us. We are an independent voice and we search for truth and clarity by looking at these issues through the lens of freedom versus force, force versus freedom. If something’s a good idea, you should not have to force people to do it. And thank you to the Harris family for their goal sponsorship of the show. They’ve been sponsors for many years and really appreciate their help in keeping our independent voice out there. On the line with me is Dr. Brian Joondepth. And you know him. You can find his articles at the American Thinker, at Rasmussen Reports. And he’s got a great article here, Move Over, Tom Homan, Hillary Clinton for Borders Are. Dr. Joondepth, welcome to the show.
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Good morning, Kim. Thank you for having me.
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You’ve been busy writing, but this is a very interesting essay or article because actually Hillary Clinton sounded like she was tough on the border many years ago.
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A lot of Democrats were. It’s strange how positions shift. And it really illustrates the hypocrisy of Democrats that at one time they were fairly sensible. They’ve lurched very far left. And this just illustrates it. And I pose two theories. Part of it is Hillary was running for president when she gave these remarks and probably pandering to most of America at the time that was probably already concerned about an open border. But the party has lurched very far left. And I think that’s Obama’s doing. And now it’s any type of border is terrible. They’re even Biden administration is selling unused border wall parts and components that Trump is building a wall. Biden became president and the wall building stopped and they were still a lot of parts and sections of the wall that could have been built. And Biden’s now selling them off at a pittance just to spite Trump and delay his building the wall. So it’s really been quite a reversal. And it just goes to show that the Democrats have, the Republicans haven’t. The Republicans have been squishy on the border for a long time. But Democrats have really lurched to the left on that, and they’re now totally opposed to any type of national border.
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This selling off of the border wall, this Biden, the Biden-Harris administration, even though he parroted that it would be a smooth transition to Trump. the things that they are doing is really sabotaging, I think trying to sabotage Trump, which in turn is trying to sabotage the American people. And so the selling of the steel for the border wall, which was purchased by the taxpayers of America and then also by our children through the debt that has been incurred, is unconscionable, Dr. June Depth.
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It is. The will of the people… in electing Trump in a very overwhelming fashion is that we have a border wall. That’s one of his signature issues. It was when he came down the escalator at Trump Tower in June of 2015. He’s been very firm on that, building a wall. And to do that is just spiteful. The Biden administration is not doing a smooth transition. They’re laying a lot of traps and roadblocks. They’ve changed employee classifications so that Elon Musk and Vivek can’t go in there and fire a bunch of people. They’re making that difficult. They’ve extended the COVID emergency for another five years, which is RFK can undo it with a stroke of the pen, but they’re trying to do that. They keep stirring the pot in Ukraine and trying to get us into a hot war. They’ve meddled in Syria, and who knows how Syria is going to transpire, but U.S. definitely has a hand in that. So they’re laying a lot of traps, and they’re going to leave Trump with his handful of fires to put out before he can even start enacting his agenda. I don’t think it’s going to stop him or slow him. I’m sure he’s anticipated this, and he sees what’s happening, and he’s got people that are going to hit the ground running. And he’s got a lot of special envoys that are going to bypass some of the cabinet positions and keep some of these deep state agencies really on the sidelines. So I think he’s well positioned to get stuff done. Having a border czar and having Rick Gannell as special envoy and envoys to certain hotspots around the world totally bypasses the State Department. Marco Rubio is not going to have much to do.
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Well, and so explain the border czar, or what these czars are, and has any of the presidents used them before? Because they don’t have to be confirmed by the Senate, as cabinet members do have to be confirmed by the Senate.
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The czars are unconstitutional, number one. There’s no provision in the Constitution to have a czar. So ideally, we don’t have them. But they started from Woodrow Wilson’s days, and they’ve been around for 100 years. And Every president has had czars. Obama had 30 czars, and I don’t recall much in the way of complaints when he had his czars. Joe Biden had Kamala Harris as the border czar, and she did absolutely nothing, and became very defensive when called out on that. Nobody really knew she was the border czar because she didn’t do anything, but when she was running for president, that became an issue, and the media… went into contortions to deny that she was the border czar, even though a couple of years ago, they’re all on record saying she’s the border czar. And my article was a funny montage of how the media is doing backflips to deny what they said. But that being said, the border czar is non-confirmed, and they have… a lot of power. They’re basically the president’s special envoy, speaks for the president and carries out his wishes. And the Senate confirmation process has really become so convoluted that that’s why I think presidents are appointing czars, because to get somebody advice and consent is not what the Senate’s doing. The Senate should be making comments, suggestions, that sort of thing. But they’re holding up nominees. And this happens on both sides. It’s more the Democrats doing it, but the Republicans can do it as well. But they’re preventing the president from surrounding him or herself with cabinet officials that they choose. They should have the cabinet that they desire. And The Senate can give advice. They can give opinions on it. But ultimately, it’s the president’s choice. The president was elected by the people. And by extension, their cabinet should be an extension of the president. And not all these senators preening about, oh, we’re going to stop this nomination and we have questions about this and we’re uncomfortable about that. That’s not their role. And that’s been abused to the point that the president has to appoint czars in order to get anything done. And all these special positions, these envoys, Trump has a bunch of envoys, Rick Grinnell being the most recent, but envoy to the Middle East and one to Ukraine. And these are people that are going to negotiate and speak for Trump and carry information back and forth as if it was Trump negotiating, which is going to cut the State Department, deep state, and all their interests out of it. So I think that’s very interesting. And I think he’s doing an end run because he’s not going to, he probably wouldn’t get a Rick Grinnell confirmed as Secretary of State. Marco Rubio is going to be an easy confirmation, and he’ll be sidelined. So I think it serves a good purpose. It’s unfortunate it has to be that way, and if Congress and, you know, they followed the Constitution and gave advice instead of holding up all these nominees for political reasons, you wouldn’t need czars. But that’s the way the system is now.
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Yeah, the way I see it, Dr. June Depp, is we really have 18 months that we really need to be working, obviously Trump at the federal level, but us at the local, county, and state level, as well to get this country turned around to get government back in its proper role. And I think with Trump, the first time he was elected, he’s a business guy, and he didn’t come in and clean house. He tried to find out, I think, even here in Colorado, I think that there were those that were on the Trump team that really didn’t put his best interest at the forefront. I’ll just put it that way. But I think that he looked at the landscape and he looked at the leadership, Paul Ryan, and he appointed people into his – brought people into his administration and I think tried to play the political game. Paul Ryan, they didn’t do anything. They had the majority didn’t do anything regarding the border. They could have done something regarding the border. And they were just stalling. And I think Trump learned his lesson. And that’s why there was an article I read just recently that Trump already is the president. He’s acting like the president. He’s being treated like the president internationally. It’s almost hysterical to see all of these different people going to Mar-a-Lago that were quite vocal in their criticism of Donald Trump. It’s fascinating to watch this. We’re in such an interesting time in history, Dr. June Depth.
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We really are. I don’t think Trump, he admits it, he didn’t expect to win in 2016. And he tried to play nice with the Republican Party. He’s not a Republican insider. He was a Democrat for many years. He wasn’t in politics. So he picks Reince Priebus as chief of staff, and look at the people he picked. You know, Chris Wray for FBI director, and Chris Wray’s done a horrible job. That’s a Trump selection. Had Jeff Sessions, Ron Rosenstein, Bill Barr. They did nothing. And he really had bad choices. And I think he tried to play nice and tried to get along with the Republican establishment, but they stopped him at every turn. Congress did zero. Paul Ryan and Mitch McConnell, they couldn’t get Obamacare repealed. That was a big campaign issue, and that’s something Republicans promised to do. Building the wall was a priority, and Paul Ryan would not allow it to be funded. And funding’s what? Five billion dollars? We’ve sent, you know, a hundred times that to Ukraine and other hotspots of the world in securing their borders, but we can’t secure ours. And Trump did learn his lesson, and he’s not going to play that game again.
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Yes, and that is so important. We’ve got to be taking action now. I think you know I work with some other people. We put together the Colorado 2024 Election Project. And we were able to raise the money to file two lawsuits, two different lawsuits, two different law firms. One is with United Sovereign Americans. that Colorado is not meeting the minimum standards that’s set forth by Congress for our elections, and that’s in the legal back and forth now. That was filed back in September, and then the other was filed in November before the election. And that is with Peter Berneger and his his team out of Wisconsin, Wisconsin Center for Election Justice, where has gone through voter rolls and the voter rolls are not clean. And that’s the basis of those lawsuits. So we’ve got those hanging out there. And that’s in that back and forth legal thing as well. But we can’t be complacent. Right now, this is so important. We’ve got to be taking action. And if we do take action and engage in this battle of ideas like you do, shedding light on things, I think we will reclaim our country and we’ll reclaim our state. But right here in Colorado, I even saved some of the… emails that went out from Republican establishment trashing Donald Trump after he lost in 2020. And he was really, there were Republicans here that were really undercutting him, Dr. June Depth.
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Yes. A lot of the Republicans don’t like him because the Republicans are part of the donor class and they benefit from open borders and a lot of the stuff that Trump’s supposed to. They’re part of the problem, not part of the solution. And Unfortunately, Trump has cleaned house quite a bit. If you notice, Speaker Mike Johnson, he came out of nowhere. He’s the Speaker of the House. And how many events has Trump been to that, well, there’s Mike Johnson in the background. I think he was at the Army-Navy game. He was… on the plane when Elon Musk and RFK were eating McDonald’s. Mike Johnson is part of it. He was at the Madison Square Garden, the fight. It’s interesting that Mike Johnson has become part of Trump’s inner circle, and he’s Speaker of the House. You’d never see John Boehner, Paul Ryan, somebody like that. So Trump is playing it smart. He’s got his allies involved. And that’s going to make things happen.
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That’s super fascinating. I’m talking with Dr. Brian Joondepth. And when we come back, we’re going to talk about another one of his articles, one that’s just coming out probably as we speak. It’s Trump is flushing the expert class down the toilet. And so that’s super interesting. We have all these discussions because of our wonderful sponsors. And for everything mortgages, reach out to Lorne Levy.
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Welcome back to The Kim Monson Show. Be sure and check out our website. That is Kim Monson, M-O-N-S-O-N.com. Sign up for our weekly email newsletter and you can email me at Kim at KimMonson.com as well. Thank you to all of you who support us. We’re an independent voice and we search for truth and clarity by looking at these issues. through the lens of freedom versus force, force versus freedom. If something’s a good idea, you should not have to force people to do it. And over Christmas break, I would highly recommend that you take the family to Pueblo, to the Center for American Values. It’s located on the beautiful Riverwalk there. And there’s over 160 portraits of Medal of Honor recipients with their quotes. And it is such a learning experience about our history for our children. And so check out their website. That’s AmericanValueCenter.org. And you can make a day of it. There’s wonderful restaurants there on the Riverwalk. If it’s a pretty day, you can actually walk the Riverwalk. And so check out AmericanValueCenter.org. Dr. Brian June Depth is on the line with me. You can find his essays and articles at American Thinker and the rest, Muser Reports. And you’re publishing one today. And the visual, the picture you have in it, just I’m shaking my head as I look back down memory lane. It’s a photo of I think it’s Lloyd Austin, isn’t it? In front of the troops. He’s got this plastic head cover.
SPEAKER 12 :
Yeah, face shield.
SPEAKER 03 :
She looks like Darth Vader. And then our troops all have masks on their faces. It’s almost surreal as I look at this photo. But this whole expert class, your piece is Trump is flushing the expert class down the toilet. Has it published yet or when will it publish?
SPEAKER 10 :
Yes, yes. It’s been American Thinker this morning. They weren’t sure if it was going to be today or tomorrow. So that’s why I hedged my bets. But it’s there this morning.
SPEAKER 03 :
Okay. So unpack this for us, Dr. June Dept.
SPEAKER 10 :
Well, we’re hearing about some of Trump’s nominees that they’re not experts, they’re unqualified, and that’s specifically Tulsi Gabbard, Pete Hegseth, and RFK Jr. They don’t have the gravitas, the experience. You’ve got the 50 or 100, whatever it is, intelligence officials or Nobel laureates that are signing a letter saying, saying, oh, these are unqualified people. Well, we all remember the 51 intelligence officials that insisted Hunter Biden’s laptop was Russian disinformation. Nine months earlier, the FBI knew it was legit because they were using it in court cases. They acknowledged it was legitimate. And you have intelligence officials that are lying through their teeth. But this is who’s held out as the expert class. And I go through talking about what the expert class has done in the defense industry. They’ve botched up Ukraine. They botched up the Middle East under George Bush. They messed up the Afghanistan withdrawal. They’re constantly doing bad things under false pretenses. And these are not experts. The Pentagon has not passed an audit in nine years. So where are the experts? And then on the medical side, Look at the statistics. I quote a bunch of health statistics of how unhealthy America is despite how much we spend on health care and how COVID and everything that was mandated and required turned out to either not work or make things worse. We’re now learning about vaccine adverse events. We’ve learned that the more vaccines you get, the more vulnerable you are to COVID. Mass didn’t work. Social distancing was arbitrary. Lockdowns didn’t work. They made things worse. And then on the intelligence front. So it’s much the same. All the experts have really made a mess of things. And it’s time for a new wave of people, not one of these so-called experts. Tulsi Gabbard has plenty of experience in Congress. RFK has been at this healthcare stuff for decades as an attorney. And Pete Hegseth has 20 years in the military. Of course, he’s got experience, two Ivy League degrees. And instead, we’ve looked at the clowns we have now. And some of the other pictures in the article are good examples of that. Rachel Levine, formerly Dick Levine, and the, you know, Sam whatever that stealing women’s luggage. That’s the expert class. It’s a great photo of the two of them, and that exemplifies the terrible job the government under Biden has been doing. The people they’ve appointed, it’s a clown show. And they have the gall to call Trump’s nominees unqualified. Well, the experts have been running America into the ditch.
SPEAKER 03 :
They have. I think we should call it the inept class, actually. So we only have a couple of minutes left. Do you have any thoughts regarding these drone sightings?
SPEAKER 10 :
Oh, I wondered if you were going to ask that. I don’t know. It’s the craziest story. They’re appearing out everywhere. Government officials, this, again, is your expert class. You’ve got Pentagon and other government officials, they don’t know what they are, but they assure us it’s not a threat. That’s like all these young athletes dropping dead. We don’t know what’s causing it, but we know it’s not a vaccine effect. So that’s the so-called experts. I don’t know. My best guess from what I’ve read is they’re looking for something. Sniffer drones that are looking for nuclear chemical biologic weapons. that’s about the only thing that makes sense to me. If they were a foreign threat, I would assume we’d be doing something about it because they’re appearing everywhere. It was New Jersey, now it’s California, it’s in Atlanta. So I think perhaps there’s credible intelligence that some nuclear weapons have gone missing from somewhere and they’re looking for them. That’s my guess. And again, it’s just a guess. I base it on what’s the most likely and not the least likely. What do you think?
SPEAKER 03 :
I think that, first of all, they know what they know. And if they don’t know, you talk about inept. It seems like you’d shoot one down and you’d get that into forensics and you could find out. So I think they know what’s going on. And this is so frustrating when they make a statement, then they say, oh, nothing to see here, nothing to worry about. I wish that they’d start to come clean with the American people, but that’s not happening, I don’t think, yet. Yeah, stay tuned. It’s of great concern. That’s for sure, Dr. June Depth. But we’ve got 30 seconds left. I want to say, first of all, your pieces are so good. And people can find them at American Thinker and Rasmussen Reports. And I wish you and yours a really Merry Christmas. And the other piece that we didn’t talk about was, I think, confidence. People, I think that with the Trump election, I think people have confidence that the future is brighter. So Merry Christmas, Dr. June Depp.
SPEAKER 10 :
Thank you, you as well. And it’s going to be a good Christmas for all of us. We got a big present named Trump under the Christmas tree, and I’m hoping for great things.
SPEAKER 03 :
Okay. Well, we will talk with you at the new year. Thank you so much. And our quote is from General George Patton. He said, no man can do anything without knowing what he is doing. Let the American soldier know what he is fighting for and why. When we let him know what has to be done, he will do it. So my friends today, be grateful, read great books, think good thoughts, listen to beautiful music, communicate and listen well, live honestly and authentically, strive for high ideals, and like Superman, stand for truth, justice, and the American way. My friends, you are not alone. God bless you. God bless America. And stay tuned for our number two.
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Happy Monday, Kim, and what great information from Dr. June Duff.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yes, and he said his most recent piece regarding Trump is flushing the expert class down the toilet was just published this morning. You can find that at American Thinker, so be sure and check that out. Thank you to the Harris family for their gold sponsorship of the show. It is because of our great sponsors that our independent voice is out there. Working to bring truth and clarity to all of these issues as we look at these issues through the lens of freedom versus force, force versus freedom. Remember, it’s never compassionate to take other people’s stuff. And there’s a whole list of how that can happen. And ultimately, socialism comes down to force because free stuff is just the carrot. to get people to vote for it and you can’t give something to somebody for free that you haven’t taken from somebody else so theft is involved in that whole thing and socialism ultimately comes down to force so we have got to engage in this battle of ideas um that is raging in our country right now and that’s why we do the show is to help you get your brain around these issues so that you can talk with your friends about these very important issues. Christmas is right around the corner, New Year’s, and then it’s the 2025 Colorado legislative sessions begins. And you will want to be informed. And one of the best ways to be informed is to be a member of the Colorado Union of Taxpayers. And you can go to coloradotaxpayer.org to join. It’s only $25 per year. And you will get value of all of the volunteer hours of the board as we look at legislation regarding property rights and taxes and fees. And so that’s a big chunk of what happens down at the legislature. But we create an email each week regarding our positions on different pieces of legislation. It’s a great way for you to be informed. And so I would suggest that you join us. And I did want to say thank you to this great team. of volunteers, the Colorado Union of Taxpayers Board, which is Steve Dorman, Greg Golianski, Russ Haas, Bill Hamel, Carl Honaker, Rob Knuth, John Nelson, Joseph O’Loughlin, Wendy Warner, Marty Nielsen, Ramey Johnson, and Mary Jansen. And when you see these folks, do say thank you to them. Our word of the day is venerate. And it is spelled V-E-N-E-R-A-T-E. Let me get to it here. And it is to regard with reverential respect or with admiring deference or number two, to honor with a ritual act of devotion. And venerate is spelled V-E-N-E-R-A-T-E. And having Doyle Glass on the show regarding his book, Swift Sword, we want to venerate our Vietnam veterans. And it’s a great word to use today. And as Bill Federer at the top of the hour mentioned, on December 16th was the Boston Tea Party. This is also the day that the Battle of the Bulge began in World War II. And so that’s super important. Let’s see, our quote of the day, I went to General George Patton because of Battle of the Bulge. And General Patton was born in 1885. He died in 1945. And he said, if everyone is thinking alike, someone isn’t thinking. And he pretty well has nailed that for sure. And Hooters Restaurants has been a great sponsor of both the shows, The Kim Monson Show and America’s Veterans Stories. And if you missed Carl Leppard’s America’s Veterans Stories interview that I broadcast on Sunday, you can catch that this next Sunday night, 10 to 11 p.m., And then this next week, we are going to broadcast part two of his interview. He’s a Vietnam veteran and talks about three battles that he was involved in. And two of them were classified for sure for many, many years. But Hooters Restaurants has five locations, Loveland, Aurora, Lone Tree, Westminster, and Colorado Springs. And a great place to get together to watch all of the games. Their lunch specials Monday through Friday are delicious, particularly the fish and chips. And also they’ve got a great happy hour. And I really appreciate each and every one of our sponsors. I am blessed to work with amazing sponsors, and one of those is the Roger Mangan State Farm Insurance Team. Roger, last week we talked a bit about the state of the state of Colorado regarding insurance, but there’s more that people need to know.
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And welcome back to the Kim Monson Show. Be sure and check out our website. That is Kim Monson, M-O-N-S-O-N dot com. Sign up for our weekly email newsletter and you can email me at Kim at Kim Monson dot com as well. Thank you to all of you who support us. We’re an independent voice. We search for truth and clarity by looking at these issues through the lens of freedom versus force, force versus freedom. Something’s a good idea. You should not have to force people to do it. The text line is 720-605-0647. And during the break, you heard the spot for Doyle Glass’s book, Swift Sword, which is the true story of Marines of Mike 3-5 in Vietnam on 4 September 1967. And also, that just segues into support for the USMC Memorial Foundation as they are raising money for the remodel of the Marine Memorial Foundation. which the official Marine Memorial is located right here in Golden, Colorado at 6th and Colfax. It was dedicated in 1977. And Paula Sarles and her team, she’s the president of the foundation, as well as a Gold Star wife and a Marine veteran, is working diligently to raise the money for that remodel. And so make a tax-deductible donation by going to usmcmemorialfoundation.org. Please dab on the line with me, Professor Cory Brettschneider. He has studied and taught politics and constitutional law for most of his adult life. He earned a PhD in politics from Princeton, has a law degree from Stanford. He’s been teaching at Brown’s Political Science Department as a visiting professor in the law schools at Fordham, the University of Chicago, and Harvard. And he focuses on teaching and writing on issues central to our democracy, like free speech, the role of courts in our system of government, and Religious Freedom. Professor Corey Brettschneider, welcome.
SPEAKER 11 :
Thanks for having me. Looking forward to the conversation.
SPEAKER 03 :
I am as well. And your recent book, The Presidents and the People, Five Leaders Who Threatened Democracy and the Citizens Who Fought to Defend It. Fascinating. So where shall we start, Professor Brettschneider?
SPEAKER 11 :
Thanks for saying that. It’s a book, I think, really about history, but also a book about history that gives us a lens to understand the current moment. For instance, it came out the day after the Supreme Court and Trump versus the United States decided its monumental immunity decision. And what that decision said for the first time in American history is not only that sitting president’s couldn’t be prosecuted for their official acts, or at least presumptively couldn’t be prosecuted, but that even former presidents had that power. It expanded the power of the presidency enormously. Now, to go back to history, its relevance is that when you look at the founding, there was a warning that was issued that I think many of us ignored for a long time, but this immunity case really makes it relevant. And the warning was from Patrick Henry, who said, the revolutionary hero, he said, you know, give me liberty or give me death. But here what he says is don’t ratify this Constitution. Why? He’s worried that the Constitution assumes a good person in office. And he says, but what if you have a president who’s guilty of crimes, a criminal president? The checks just aren’t there. They won’t work. Now, my book is really an attempt to grapple with these issues. And I take a more moderate line than Patrick Henry and others. And I say, look, It’s true that we’ve had a danger inherent in the United States presidency, but it’s a danger that’s been met, not through the traditional checks and balances, not through courts, not through Congress, but through citizens taking the Constitution into their own hands. Some of the founders talked about the idea of common sense, of course, pain, for instance. And that’s what this idea is, that citizens took the Constitution into their own hands using a kind of common sense approach to it and saved us from authoritarian threats at the hands of presidents who would have destroyed democracy.
SPEAKER 03 :
So, Professor Brett Schneider, those on the left really were decrying this decision by the Supreme Court. And I think there was, I understand concern, but this lawfare that has, accusing Trump of things that he didn’t commit, or I took a look at, you know, they said that he’d been, convicted of 34 different counts. And I took a look at what those counts really were, and they were accounting. It would be like making an accounting ledger and things and then writing checks for that. And so this lawfare towards Trump is pretty unprecedented. So the Supreme Court responds to that, but maybe we’re not looking.
SPEAKER 11 :
Sorry, I think we’re a little confusing issues. The case is about January 6th, not about this isn’t the Manhattan district attorney. So Trump was indicted by the Department of Justice for conspiring to undermine a process in Congress. That’s the accusation. OK, that’s the first thing. So then the second thing is now the court has to ask not whether or not he’s guilty or not, but whether or not we’re going to hear the evidence. about that question. So just getting the facts right.
SPEAKER 03 :
Okay. And explain that to me just a little bit more then. So this was undermining the process January 6th of basically the vice president certifying the election?
SPEAKER 11 :
Correct. That’s the indictment by the federal prosecutors. Correct. By Jack Smith.
SPEAKER 03 :
Okay. So So clarify then for me, everything’s so messy, Professor Schneider. I’m struggling because everything’s so messy around all this.
SPEAKER 11 :
It’s important to get the facts right. I mean, if you’re going to talk about these questions, there are multiple cases that were brought against Trump, four of them specifically, one by Georgia, about an attempt to basically pressure the secretary of state. In that case, the indictment is about the pressure on him to not certify the votes, electoral votes, and to engage in a sort of coercion. That’s the first. Is that the Fannie Willis case? That’s the Fannie Willis. The second is the Manhattan DA case, which is about, I think what you were referring to, the payments to Stormy Daniels. And then there are two federal cases by the Department of Justice, and there’s a special prosecutor that was appointed there named Jack Smith. And what those are, one, a case about the records, about basically illegitimately handling official documents. And then the fourth criminal indictment is about January 6th. The accusation is that Trump engaged in a conspiracy to undermine, essentially, the certification of electoral votes that takes place on January 6th, not just that there was a riot or violence, but that there was a wider scheme to undermine the certification of the votes.
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Okay.
SPEAKER 11 :
So then— And then the immunity—sorry, then the immunity case is about that in particular and whether or not that can go forward.
SPEAKER 03 :
Okay. Okay. So those on the left were very, very concerned about this. In your opinion, is that warranted?
SPEAKER 11 :
Sorry, I just really think if you’re going to talk about these questions, you’ve got to get the facts right. So there’s no left and right. This is a federal prosecutor who brought, you could think they’re wrong, brought a series of claims. And then the Supreme Court weighed in on the question of whether or not the claims could go forward and whether or not we would have this trial or not. And what they did is they said that there’s a legal issue about prosecuting a former president, and they gave immunity presumptively to the former president in that case.
SPEAKER 03 :
So do you think that was the right decision?
SPEAKER 11 :
I don’t know what’s left and right. I mean, it’s not political. This is a legal question.
SPEAKER 03 :
Okay. Okay. I got it. Okay. Thank you. So do you think it was the correct decision?
SPEAKER 11 :
The immunity case?
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah.
SPEAKER 11 :
Okay. Do I think that the immunity case was correctly decided? I think that there’s been a very real question throughout American history about whether or not sitting presidents have immunity. And the Constitution doesn’t say that explicitly. And there are arguments on both sides at the founding, for instance. James Wilson, for instance, at the Pennsylvania Ratifying Convention, says that a sitting president – is a citizen. And so there should be no difference really between a sitting president and someone else. And so the indictment should go forward. John Adams, who is much more an advocate of strong executive power, makes a different argument. He says, look, the job is really important. And so the importance of the job means that there has to be a kind of immunity, at least while the person is in office. So during Nixon, this came up again. And the question was whether or not, and I talk about this in the book, the grand jury, which wanted to indict Nixon, could they do it? And what the prosecutor convinced them to do was not to do the indictment, to delay it until after Nixon was president. And after Nixon was president, he said, OK, we could go forward with the indictment. Now, the pardon by Ford stopped that and was partly an attempt to stop this prosecution that was certainly coming. So why tell all this history? I think that’s obviously a real debate. Do sitting presidents have immunity? But what no one and this is what’s different about this decision, what no one really claimed until very recently. And the court did say this. So did Trump’s lawyers. That’s the law right now. But that former presidents have immunity. And the worry was by all parties, including Adam’s. that you wanted to allow the immunity to give flexibility to the president in office, but not after the president left office. And the worry was in particular that what that might do is to allow someone, that was the point of the Patrick Henry thing, to commit crimes in a way in which they would never be held criminally accountable. Guilty or not, you couldn’t even bring the case. That was the worry of the Nixon White House. Ford assumed that, of course— and of the founders. So do I think it was a good decision? No, I don’t think so. I think it’s not one grounded in law. I think there’s all sorts of reasons why the court did this. I think they were worried, for instance, about what you said, about back and forth, about retaliation, about the sort of descending into one president prosecuting his opponents and then another president prosecuting their opponents. But is it a decision grounded in law? No, I don’t think so.
SPEAKER 20 :
Interesting.
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Okay. You know what, Professor Bretschneider, let’s go to break because when we come back, I’d like to go through these different presidents that you talk about in the book and what the people did. And I’m talking with Professor Corey Bretschneider, and his book is The Presidents of the People, Five Leaders Who Threatened Democracy and the Citizens Who Fought to Defend It. And these discussions come to you because of all of our sponsors. And one of those is Lavaca Meat Company. And what a great treat to give one of their meat boxes to your employees or your family or friends for Christmas. And you can get more information by going to LavacaMeat.com.
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And welcome back to The Kim Monson Show. Be sure and check out our website. That is Kim Monson, M-O-N-S-O-N dot com. Sign up for our weekly email newsletter and you can email me at Kim at Kim Monson dot com as well. Thank you to all of you who support us. We’re an independent voice. We search for truth and clarity by looking at these issues through the lens of freedom versus force, force versus freedom. If something’s a good idea, you shouldn’t have to force people to do it. And do check out the Center for American Values. I would recommend that you take the kids down on a day trip during a Christmas break to Pueblo, Colorado, where the center is located on the beautiful Riverwalk. And they do a variety of things. One of those is honoring our Medal of Honor recipients. The center was co-founded by Drew Dix, who received the Medal of Honor for actions he took during the Vietnam War, and Brad Padula, who is an Emmy Award-winning historian. documentary maker. And they realized that we need to honor our Medal of Honor recipients. And then also they do these educational programs regarding these key values of America of honor, integrity and patriotism. You can get more information by going to AmericanValueCenter.org. Pleased to be talking with Professor Cory Brett Schneider. He is the author of the book, The Presidents and the People, Five Leaders Who Threatened Democracy and Citizens Who Fought to Defend It. And he’s been studying and teaching politics and constitutional law for many years. He has a PhD in politics from Princeton and a law degree from Stanford. He has taught in Brown’s Political Science Department and a visiting professor at law schools at Fordham, the University of Chicago, and Harvard. Professor Brett Schneider, your book, The Presidents and the People. Who are these five presidents and what were they doing and how did the people stop them?
SPEAKER 11 :
The first one is, you know, and I should say, too, that I began with this idea of the criminal presidency. And I’ll talk about the we talked about the indictments against Trump. There also were criminal indictments against Richard Nixon. But that doesn’t characterize all of them. And it certainly doesn’t characterize the first person that I want to talk about is John Adams. And Adams, in many ways, is the most learned president that we’ve had and one of the most learned persons of his own time. But what’s not understood about him is that he was a devotee and a defender of constitutional monarchy. Not absolute monarchy, but a limited kind of monarchy. And he thought, in particular, that the way to understand the president was as a kind of king, actually went analogous with the British king. And for him, the king certainly had done wrong, and that led to the revolution, but there was a kind of good king that would be upheld. So what did he do? In 1798, he signs the Sedition Act, which makes it a crime, and this is what’s important in understanding why it threatens democracy, to criticize the president of the United States, but makes it perfectly legal to criticize the vice president of the United States. Now, why would you want to do that? It’s because the vice president, and I hear you laughing, is a member of a different party. And it was really an attempt by Adams and his party to shut down the opposition. And the story that I tell of the citizens is that many of those citizens who were prosecuted, including journalists, used their prosecutions. And I should say journalists at the time were even more partisan than they are now. So these were political opponents. But they used their own trials as a way of putting Adams on trial and asking the country, you know, really, are we a monarchy or are we devoted to this newly enacted idea of free speech that says, You have not just a right to dissent, but even, and this was a radical idea at the time, to criticize the president of the United States. Now, the election of 1800, it wasn’t courts, by the way, that resolved this, because the courts at the time were really on Adams’ side. They wanted the Sedition Act. They saw actually to it that many of these editors were prosecuted. Samuel Chase, a Supreme Court justice, sat on one of their trials, the trial of Thomas Cooper, to make sure that he was convicted. So what happened is the editors won. They fought back. And we have this idea that, yes, you can criticize the president, not because of what happened in court, but they used the election of 1800 to elect Thomas Jefferson, who pledged to get rid of the Sedition Act. So when he says in 1800, in his first inaugural, we’re all Federalists, we’re all Republicans, he’s really saying we’re not going to do this shutdown of free speech anymore.
SPEAKER 20 :
Wow. Okay. Who’s the next president?
SPEAKER 11 :
The second, and they all take different forms, is President James Buchanan, a one-term president, but an extremely important one because of his threat to democracy. Now, Buchanan played it off in a way. I talk about really the idea of the presidency compared to these five of George Washington is so different than each of the five because it’s all about the idea of modesty and protecting the Constitution. It’s the idea that I’m championing in the book and that many of these citizens were championing. tends to be George Washington. He says that he’s going to be a figure that really leaves it to the court to decide things, and he’ll leave them alone to do that, to decide on the Constitution. But as the Dred Scott case is pending, a case that I think actually is the most evil in American history, it says essentially that black Americans are not citizens, have no rights under the And what Buchanan did is he lobbied the Supreme Court to decide that decision in that way. And so the hero of that cluster is really Frederick Douglass, who many abolitionists, Lloyd Garrison, for instance, thought the decision was so bad that it showed that the Constitution had to be abandoned. But this is a book, of course, not about abandoning the Constitution, but about rescuing it in the same way that the newspaper editors rescued the idea of free speech. What Frederick Douglass really does is Rescue the idea of equality that is implicit in the American Constitution. He says, for instance, take the first three words of the Constitution. We the people. It doesn’t say we the white people. It says we the people. And he says that’s an egalitarian idea of democracy. Take the ban on the idea that you can inherit the punishments of the of the crimes of parents. what’s called the corruption of blood ban in the Constitution. And Douglass says that is a ban on slavery. What is slavery but an idea of inheriting the status of parents? And finally, the most important thing that he does, and this really is so much a part of our culture now, we don’t even realize where it came from, is he says you have to take the Declaration of Independence and its guarantee of equality and read that into the Constitution. And his point is that if you read the Constitution that way, you can see why Buchanan and the court that decided Dred Scott are wrong, and the Constitution ultimately is right.
SPEAKER 03 :
Refresh my memory. How is that – Dred Scott, how was that reversed? How did that happen exactly? Was it the Civil War?
SPEAKER 11 :
Well, it’s really at the behest of Douglass. That’s the incredible part of the story that I tell, is that Douglass is really resisting Buchanan and actually has to flee the country. Buchanan wants to see him prosecuted. And he’s making these speeches about the idea of equality in the American Constitution. And over time, once Lincoln is elected, Lincoln is skeptical of Douglass at first, and they are opponents. In particular, Lincoln is saying that the war is not about slavery, it’s about union. And Douglass is really trying to persuade him to read the Constitution as he does, to see it as about the idea of we the people, not we the white people, as I said. And slowly, over time, Lincoln comes to embrace this idea. And by the time of Gettysburg, think of the amazing… lyrics at Gettysburg. It’s a speech, but really it’s a poem as well, the idea of government for, by, and of the people. That really is Douglass’ idea of taking the Declaration. He also refers in the beginning of the speech, of course, not to the creation of the Constitution, but to the Declaration, using the Declaration to read the Constitution and to sanctify Gettysburg, the battlefield, with the ideas of equality with Douglass’s ideas, just as Douglass has urged him to do. Ultimately, Lincoln pushes the 13th Amendment through Congress, which ends chattel slavery. The 14th Amendment ends the idea of not just inferiority, but second-class citizenship by demanding equal protection of the laws and granting birthright citizenship. All of those are a tribute to Douglass’s ideas and at his behest. And it’s really Lincoln, I think, gets the credit certainly for the 13th Amendment. But many of the ideas that are pushed through by the radical Republicans, the 14th Amendment, also originally really come from Douglass. He’s saying all of this in the 1850s well before anybody else does. So what we think of as the core of the American Constitution, the second founding is sometimes called the 13th, 14th and 15th Amendments. Those are originally Douglas’s ideas against the court of Dred Scott and championed by by Lincoln, the radical Republicans. And really, I think. If there’s a hero of this time period, it’s Ulysses Grant, who not only urges the passage of the 15th Amendment guaranteeing a right to vote, but uses that amendment to pass a series of laws called the Enforcement Acts that give the newly created Department of Justice the power to really protect black voters nationally. And more than a thousand cases are brought against Ulysses. white terrorists throughout the United States who had tried to shut down black voting. So it is a story of a citizen who just, like the editors, seems really a minority in terms of numbers view. I mean, very few people agree with Douglas at the time. And over time, he’s able to bring on board two presidents and to really champion the passage of three amendments. And that’s why the American Constitution is the one that we think of today, the one that we rightly defend and champion.
SPEAKER 03 :
So, Professor Brett Schneider, there are those that have said that the Constitution really addresses the usurpations or the grievances that are in the Declaration of Independence as a constitutional scholar. What’s your thoughts on that?
SPEAKER 11 :
I think, you know, that is really the idea that we’re talking about that both Douglas and eventually Lincoln came to share, that you have to read these ideas together. I think if you read them separately, there’s a real danger. You could read the Constitution a very narrow way without values, really. And what the Declaration teaches us is that there are really two values that have to be understood throughout the Constitution and that they’re not at odds with one another. They go together. And the really task of reading the document is to see how the values go together. And one is certainly the idea of freedom, such as the freedom of press. That’s what we began with. And the freedom of speech. And not just in some abstract way, meaning the right to dissent, to even criticize the most powerful people in the country, like a president. And the second idea is an idea of equal citizenship, equality under law. And that’s the idea, of course, that Douglas and Lincoln championed.
SPEAKER 03 :
Okay. This is so fascinating. We’re getting limited on time, but I’d like to hear briefly the other three presidents and the people on that. So who’s our next president? Okay.
SPEAKER 11 :
The next, I’ll say a little bit about, but it takes place in the midst of the story that we’ve been telling, that as the country has pushed for a 13th Amendment, Soon after it, Lincoln, of course, is fascinated. In his last speech, he really is paying tribute to Douglass. Douglass is actually in the audience as is Booth, the murderer of Lincoln. And in the audience, Douglass watches him say, you know, black soldiers have played a big part in this role on behalf of the Union. They have to be given the right to vote. But after Lincoln’s death, the vice president, who Lincoln had brought on board as an attempt to kind of I don’t know, national unity, I think you’d call it, Andrew Johnson, is really a devoted white supremacist. He’s not going to try to reverse the gain of the 13th Amendment, but he really opposes Douglass’s idea of equal citizenship. So the story there is about how Douglass is able to overcome that. And really, the election of 1868 is the moment where it’s most successful, the election of Ulysses Grant and the defeat of this really pretty terrible president who tried to bring America back into an age of slavery instead of letting it move forward. The fourth president I talked about is Woodrow Wilson, championed as a peacemaker and the hero of World War I. And I tell a very different story, which is that what you have in Wilson is a dangerous combination of both nationalism and white supremacy. He really is the first white nationalist president. And What I’ve done is I went into the archives, which nobody else had done. Wilson, like me, taught constitutional law. In fact, he taught many of the same classes that as a graduate student, I helped teach at Princeton. And in those classes, he lays out his view of America. And it’s so different from George Washington’s. the view that we think of as three branches of government, co-equal. He says, no, the president is the first among equals, and really on a German model should be pushing an idea of national efficiency, eviscerating the role of the states for local government. And what’s important, though, is not just that he thought that, and there are problems, of course, with that on its own, but that he combined it with white supremacy. And the way he did that is he said there was a chief impediment of efficiency, and that impediment is what he called friction. And in friction, he said we have the enemy of efficiency. What is friction? It’s integration. And so he does a number of things, including for the first time since Grant, he resegregates the federal government. And as the federal government is growing, he’s really spreading the idea of segregation. And the story I tell there is of William Monroe Trotter, Ida B. Wells, activists who really confront this president and say Trotter had supported him. And he said, you know, why are you doing this? You’re making black Americans into second class citizens. And Wilson says, no, I’m just trying to avoid friction. And in fact, you’re creating friction and confronting me. So Wilson is often championed terribly as a great leader, and I’m telling a very different story there. And the last we began with, and that’s Richard Nixon, and the story that I tell there is of the vast crimes way beyond Watergate that were being investigated, including an attempt that you can hear actually Nixon talk about on the Watergate tapes to break into a safe in the Brookings Institution where he thought there were documents showing that he had conspired with the Viet Cong before the war to try to prolong it in order to basically get himself elected. And he was so worried that this document would come out that he orders a break in of that safe. Now, why don’t you know about that or any of the other crimes of Richard Nixon, including the attempt to incapacitate Daniel Ellsberg, his critic on the Capitol steps? It’s because the pardon basically wiped that all away. We never had a prosecution. And part of the importance, to go back to our initial theme, of allowing prosecutions, even if they fail, is for the truth to come out, that we would just have gotten to see all these documents about Nixon’s vast crimes beyond Watergate. And so part of what I did is I talked to the Watergate prosecutors about what the ongoing cases were. I talked at length to Daniel Ellsberg before he died about the crimes that were related to trying to stop him, even kill him, on the Capitol steps. And, you know, part of the point of it is, like, why do we all not know this? This is all news to people, and it has to do with the pardon. The pardon really took it all away. And I think the immunity case, to come back to it, is a different version of the danger of the pardon. It hides the truth from coming out. And in a real democracy, Americans should know the truth even about what their most powerful leaders are doing. And that really is why, although in these past crises we did recover, from the Sedition Act, and we did recover from Dred Scott, and we did recover from Wilson to a large extent, the nationalization of segregation. But what we haven’t recovered from is the fact that presidents are seen as above the law, that far from no person being above the law, the current state of the law is that presidents are above the law. And I end with that call to think about what these heroes did, the editors, Frederick Douglass, those who fought Wilson, and to think, too, about in the current moment what we can do to ensure that truth really comes out. And it isn’t a book, of course, it’s not a partisan book. It talks about Wilson as a Democratic president, and many of the champions are Republicans, such as grant. But there are ideas of American democracy that have to be championed by all people, regardless of party. And one of them is the idea that no person should be above the law. And that’s not an idea that we’ve really settled on.
SPEAKER 03 :
Okay. Professor Corey Bretschneider, your book, The Presidents and the People, Five Leaders Who Threaten Democracy and the Citizens Who Fought to Defend It. Thank you so much. This has been super informative.
SPEAKER 11 :
Thank you. Thanks for having me. And I hope readers read the book. Thank you.
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And welcome back to the Kim Monson Show. Be sure and check out our website. That is Kim Monson, M-O-N-S-O-N dot com. Sign up for our weekly email newsletter and you can email me at Kim at Kim Monson dot com as well. Thank you to all of you who support us. We’re an independent voice and we search for truth and clarity by looking at these issues through the lens of freedom versus force, force versus freedom. If something’s a good idea, you should not have to force people to do it. And text line is 720-605-0647. And call-ins, we’re taking call-ins, 303-477-5600. I’m going to go through some of the text messages that have come in. And this is from the first hour when I asked Dr. Joondepth about the drones. Lynn, one of our listeners, said that it may be that the government is creating the situation so they can use it for an excuse to create more regulation. That’s a possibility. Something is going on. If the FBI says they’ve investigated it and there’s nothing to worry about, that makes me very worried. Let’s see here. This is from Gammy. She said it is a left and right issue, she believes. And then that everything is politically driven. And number three. Okay. I don’t know exactly what she’s talking about, but she mentions that there’s a lot of complicity that’s going on. Let’s see. Oh, and then another listener said, aha, corruption of blood that the professor spoke of. That means reparations are wrong and perhaps illegal. I was thinking the same thing as he was saying corruption of blood. The idea… that there are those out there that are advocating to take from one person that has never owned slaves to give to another person who’s never been a slave is beyond belief. And so, again, that’s another thing that I’m going to do over the Christmas break is I’m going to sit down and go through the Declaration and the Constitution. It’s been a while since I’ve done that, and so I want to do that as well. Let’s see here. I wanted to get through just a few other little comments regarding January 6th. It seems that Professor Brettschneider had said that this immunity question was regarding January 6th. As we know, there’s all kinds of political stuff around this whole January 6th, quote unquote, conspiracy theory. And if you watch what Trump said is for the people to go down, stand outside the Capitol and make their voices heard regarding Mike Pence certifying the electoral college votes. And there’s to me, there’s nothing conspiratorial at all about that. In fact, to me, that is the same thing as what Professor Schneider was saying, as we the people have made a difference. And the reason and I had had Shortly after January 6th, I had taken my rig and gone up and did a podcast with John Eastman, who was the visiting professor of conservative thought and policy up at CU and was also a Trump attorney. What what he said was, is that and he said that he and Trump and this was a few days before January 6th and Mike Pence, Mike Pence’s attorney, Mike Pence’s chief of staff said. and basically the question on the table was could Pence overturn the Electoral College, again, I’m doing this from memory, designations. And Eastman said no, but you could delay certification until these different state legislatures could get into session to review what had happened regarding their elections. You could delay it. And that was what Trump was asking the people to ask Pence to do. And it seems to me, and Trump is on tape, is saying peacefully assemble and have your voices heard. And so that seems to me like that is along the line of Professor Brett Schneider’s book as well. But then we know, well, we kind of know what happened. Then we had the January 6th commission, which was very, very partisan, even though they had some Republicans on that commission. And so we’re in a time right now when Dr. June Depth and I mentioned that we are in such an interesting time in history. And this is a time that we, the people, have to step forward and get government back into the proper roles, the proper boxes that the Declaration and the Constitution says that they’re supposed to be in. I do think that what’s going to happen is doubling down and pushing these radical agendas at the local level, municipal, county, and state. So we’re going to work on starting our own DOGE Colorado on that. And I think one of the first things to do is the federal government has to stop these grants that are being awarded in all of these different areas. And that’s, I think, the first place to start. and once we uh you know rein in the money and we don’t have the money we have all kinds of debt we’re running deficits that would be a first step and i think that that would be highly successful our quote for the end of the show is from general george patton and the battle of the bulge uh started on this day in 1944 and then in um let’s see and the um boston tea party started this day as well but patton said this no man can do anything without knowing what he is doing let the american soldier know what he is fighting for and why when we let him know what has to be done he will do it and i think you could say the same regarding the american people so my friends today be grateful read great books think good thoughts listen to beautiful music communicate and listen well live honestly and authentically strive for high ideals and like superman stand for truth justice and the american way my friends you are not alone god bless you and god bless america
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