In today’s episode, host John Rush dives deep into storm preparedness, providing listeners with invaluable tips on how to navigate severe weather safely. As summer brings unexpected storms and the danger of dubious contractors known as storm chasers, it’s critical to stay informed and vigilant. We discuss how to identify and avoid these scammers while staying safe. The episode also covers practical advice on home safety against intrusions, detailing a real-life incident and offering commentary on homeowner rights and consequences for burglars. Tune in for current events updates in health, with a focus on a significant news story that’s
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All right, happy Monday, everybody. Rush to Reason, Denver’s Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560. Hopefully all of you listening are okay from a lot of the storms that we had yesterday, and it’s a reminder that this time of the year, and frankly can be this way most of summer, storms can come up. They can get really bad at times, and we talked a little bit about this last week, but be watching for those alerts. Make sure you’re paying attention to those. I’ll give a few PSAs here in a moment along those lines and some things that I was watching from what happened yesterday that I’ll get into here in just one moment. But hopefully everybody is okay. And last but not least, and I’ll talk about this when we talk about Dave Hart from Roof Savers, if you’ve had any kind of storm damage, the storm chasers we call them, Those will be the people that show up from other states trying to help you with whatever. Really, they’re not helping you at all. They’re trying to collect a paycheck when it’s all said and done. And they’ll come and even do things that are illegal, like waive your deductible and things like that, which are not allowed in Colorado under Colorado law. But they will work ways around that. They will. even under the table, write you checks back for your deductible as a way to get around that, all of that being very unethical, illegal activity. But these storm chasers will try to lure you in to doing business with them by making some of those offers. I’ll talk again a little bit more about that as we get to Dave Hart, Roof Savers. He’s coming up here in a moment. with his commercial as well. But just remember that. Call somebody like Dave first. Do not, do not, you know, we call them storm chasers, door knockers. Do not open the door for those guys. And one last little bit of advice. A lot of them will tell you that they can’t get on the roof your roof and do an inspection without you signing this document. And I’m saying it that way, this document first problem is that document isn’t just for them getting on your roof. It’s locking you into doing business with them when you sign that. So do not sign anything. Do not let them on your roof. Call Dave instead and make sure that he can take care of things for you, which he can, and let him be your liaison, even with the insurance company, if, in fact, that’s the direction that you end up heading. So impossible question from Friday. Andy actually got this one right off the bat. We kind of had a little bit of fun with this on Friday. But what device infamous during the revolutionary France time period became a symbol of the reign of terror? It is the guillotine. And then today’s impossible question. What royal family ruled Russia prior to the Bolshevik Revolution of 1917? That is today’s impossible question. You can answer that on the Rush to Reason Facebook page. OK, going back to the storms and all of that. And again, this is just a PSA in regards to that. Number one. If you’re driving and you end up in any kind of a bad storm, you can see a tornado, you’re caught up in it. There’s all sorts of video that was out yesterday from different parts of the country, not just here in Colorado, but folks were literally in some cases caught in the middle of a tornado. And what you want to do there is, number one, Get out of your vehicle. So pull over to the side of the road. Not at an underpass, by the way. That is the worst thing you can do is pull over at an underpass because when you do it, everybody else does. Now it’s all stacked up. Now the road’s blocked. Bad situation all around. Don’t even do that in a hard rainstorm. People do that all the time, even in town, where it’ll be raining really hard, hailing even. And the first thing they do is pull over on the side of the road under an underpass, thinking that’s where they’re going to be safe. Keep in mind when it comes to heavy rain and things like that, those underpasses can actually fill with water because in some cases they’re a low spot. Worst place you could actually be in that particular scenario. So first things first, if you find yourself in a really bad storm, pull over and they’ll tell you this. Pull over, get out of the car, go find a low ditch, go find a culvert that you can crawl into, something along those lines. Cover your head and your neck as best you can. If you’ve got a blanket or anything even in the car that you can take with you, by all means do so, but get away from the car, get to the lowest ground in your area possible, and just hunker down. That’s the best thing that you can do in that particular scenario. You do not want to be in the vehicle. Second of all, as I said a moment ago, do not stop at an underpass. worst thing you can do in fact if you’re going to stop at all make sure you’re far off the road the other reason why i tell you to get out of the car is when the when the weather gets that bad and visibility can get way low your car sitting there can very well be a target it can be run into by other fast moving vehicles semi trucks and so on the last thing you want to do is be sitting in your car if something like that were to happen so when i say you know get far away from the road and go find some low place and i mean that get away from the road Go as far as you possibly can. Find that low spot. Typically, there’s edges of the road where it’s much lower than the road itself. Typically, roads are built up. So get completely off the road. Get down. Get away from other vehicles if at all possible because if they get run into, you don’t want them falling down on you or anything along those lines. Unfortunately, most people do everything I just said the wrong way. They try to run from the particular tornado or the storm, and in some cases it can swirl around and catch you from behind or things along those lines. In other words, you try to run and there is no place to run to. All you’re doing is creating a lot of havoc and traffic for others maybe that are honestly trying to do the same thing. And again, best thing to do is just get completely away from your vehicle if you’re in your home. and you find yourself in this situation you can see outside and there’s warnings going on and so on you want to go to a center room if you have a basement you want to go to the basement itself get into the center of the house where there’s any other type of of you know structures in the basement things that you know walls things like that where you may be in the middle and have things around you that would be a protection to you you want to do that as well If you don’t have a basement, but maybe you have a crawl space or something along those lines, you may actually want to go down into the crawl space. Again, go to the middle. If you’ve got a house with, let’s say, a chimney or something along those lines, go to that very center section where that chimney would be all the way down into the crawl space and go hunker down in that particular area till the storm passes. Then you can crawl up out of the crawl space. And I know they’re creepy, crawly, nasty. Nobody likes being in a crawl space, but you’re better off being there than upstairs if you don’t have any kind of a basement. Some places out east actually have storm cellars and things like that. If you have one, you know what you have, and, yes, that’s another place that you can actually run into. If you’re in a mobile home or an RV or anything along those lines, leave that mobile home or that camper. Do not stay inside of it. They are, unfortunately, tornado and storm magnets. They’re very lightweight. They get lifted up and get put in places where you would not want to be inside of that when that’s going on or even having the roof tore off. Again, you want to go find a low place, hunker down, wait till the storm’s over, assess all of the damage and such afterwards. And then, you know, in some cases, it’s so ironic or so weird, the storm will pass by and it can be just a total disaster and an hour later, the sun’s shining. That’s how those things can work. and bottom line we want all of you to be safe be paying attention be alert to what’s going on some of you if you don’t have the weather app or things like that loaded on your phone make sure that you do make sure that the notifications for those apps are turned on especially in these summer months where you can be notified of those things because they will notify you they’ll tell you when there’s something big coming along And you need to be paying attention to those. And by all means, be alert to what’s in the sky above you. Some of these tornadoes I watched yesterday or even this morning, watch the way some of these formed. And again, now with the advent of everybody having video on their cell phone and so on, you’re literally able to see some of these things, you know, literally way faster than we ever did. And my point there is, is be watching for all of those things and the way some of these things form at times. They can literally form in a matter of seconds, a minute or two at most. And it’s really eerie when they’re happening. So most of all, be safe. Take that advice. If you want to, please give that advice to others, some of your own family members, kids, relatives, and so on. And most of all, I want all of you to be safe. when we have any kind of storms like we had here yesterday afternoon and we could have again. Honestly, this time of the year, they can come any day, any day. And what I’ve learned in Colorado, living here my whole life, they’re not always predicted. They’re not always predicted. 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All right, we are back. Charlie also mentioned that depending upon where you’re at, you may want to look for, depending upon the storm and what’s going on, a larger tree structure, something along those lines as well. Again, just be careful because some of those can also be lightning magnets, so be very careful with some of those as well. Now, what I mean by big structures is some of you where you’re out and about and you see a big concrete commercial building or something along those lines. Those actually, believe it or not, end up being very safe as I’m looking out here at some of these that are to the west of us. The old T-type concrete buildings are extremely solid. If you’re out and about and you’ve got the ability to get in or around or, you know, even inside of one of those, absolutely. But be careful of other tall type structures, i.e. trees and things like that. They may be a safe haven or they may not, depending upon the storm and what’s going on. So be careful. yeah some of those can come right out of the ground no matter how big they are so be very careful of that a lot of people think there’s some safety there and sometimes there is it depends on you hail for example yes that might actually help in a hail storm but in other situations tornadoes and so on in lightning storms no those would not be the places that that i would go and run to yes i have been known to be in a hail storm and find a nice big tree to go park under because the tree will deflect a lot of those hailstones that are coming down And while it messes everything up and you end up with leaves and junk all over, yes, those can be very safe in a hard hail or rainstorm. But when it comes to tornadoes and things like that, no, that is not a place that I would actually go. Somebody else said that right now, currently in Wyoming, there is a wind warning up there on I-80 and even sent a picture of something on the road that shouldn’t be there. Again, when they tell you not to do something, don’t because that warning is there for a reason. One other thing that came in on the text line is, have I, this is a question for me personally, have I ever been in a storm that I have been scared to death, you know, that I’ve been really scared of? And, Knock on wood, no, I have not. And I’m not sure why, folks. I guess because, honestly, I do my very best to avoid some of those situations. I don’t want to be in those types of storms or things along those lines. And even with some of the hard blizzards and things we’ve had in the past, I guess because of what I do, In those circumstances, plowing snow and so on, no, I’ve never really been scared of anything along those lines. Tornadoes and stuff, yeah, I wouldn’t want to be in the midst of any of those. Fortunately, here in Colorado, if you live up towards the mountains, and I don’t know why it is, I’m sure somebody can explain the… The reality or the reasons as to why tornadoes don’t happen right up against the mountains, I guess they can, but they seldom do. And because of that, I honestly, in my entire life, as far as actually seeing a funnel cloud touch the ground, actually form into a tornado, in my own two eyes, outside of… Outside of what happens in videos and things that I have seen along those lines like I did yesterday and today, I’ve never seen one in real life myself. I’ve seen some that looked like they were going to form, but I’ve never actually seen a real funnel cloud in my life. Have you, Charlie, ever seen an actual real tornado? He has not either. So believe it or not, not everybody has. Again, I think it just depends on where you grew up and where you’ve been and so on. But no, I’ve never been in a situation like that where the weather just, you know, scared me to death. I’ve probably been the most aware, let me say it that way, running water, you know, rushing water, floods, things like that, which we’ve had here in Colorado. And yes, in those times, I can’t say that I was scared, but are you paying extra attention to what’s going on in those particular circumstances? Absolutely. But no, I’ve never had, you quote-unquote, scare me. Now, here’s a story that I was reading before coming on air today that was in 9 News this morning. Burglary suspect shot by homeowner in Aurora. Now, I don’t know what the outcome of this will be, whether this particular person will end up being charged by the intruder. You never know how that stuff works. This particular intruder set off an alarm, or sorry, set off the camera system He was in the detached garage. The homeowner went out to see what was going on, found him there, confronted him, and ended up shooting him, seriously injuring said perpetrator. Now, my thought on this is, don’t break into people’s homes. It’s not yours. Stay away. And you won’t have those problems. My other thought is, if this happened more, you’d have less of this. In other words, if perpetrators, burglars… Thieves thought this was going to happen to them when they actually entered a residence. They’d think twice about going in. So am I upset with this particular and I don’t know who this individual is. Don’t care. I applaud them for doing this, by the way. Yes, I know somebody was injured seriously. Again, that person should have thought about their actions prior to. That’s on them. That’s not on Mr. Homeowner that decided to go out into his garage. And again, I don’t know what’s in the garage. Maybe he had a really nice, fancy, classic car or a lot of fancy tools or things. I mean, I don’t know what’s in the garage. It could have been junk. It doesn’t make any difference. Doesn’t matter. That’s the whole reality. It doesn’t matter. It’s his property. It’s his home. And that person should not be there. And this was in the daytime, by the way. This wasn’t like middle of the night where this person did this. This happened at, sorry, it was early morning, 4.49 a.m. So 5 a.m. But keep in mind, the sun’s about to come up then. And how do I know that? Because I get up fairly early. The sun’s up about 5.30. So it’s about a half an hour before daylight. So, again, this wasn’t that, you know, 1 in the morning. Again, it wasn’t at, you know, 4 in the afternoon either, but still, it’s early morning, and this particular person ended up being, and who knows, but was this person trying to steal a car, do something along those lines? You know, I don’t know. This was in the 1200 block of Moline Street. So bottom line, this person didn’t get away with anything, ended up being seriously injured, and I don’t know what the outcome will be. We’ll watch that story and see. But not good for the person that was the intruder, that was the perpetrator, because they ended up going to the hospital seriously injured. Doesn’t say that that person has died or anything along those lines, but seriously injured. Okay. Now, big news. We’ve got a guest joining us here in about 10 minutes, but I think I’ve got time to talk about this. You guys, I’m sure if you haven’t seen this, because it pretty much has been news all over the place since I believe Charlie late last night. And that is that, you know, former President Joe Biden has prostate cancer now in stage four prostate cancer, and it has moved into his bones. So it’s not just prostate cancer, go in, take out your prostate, do whatever is needed along those lines. No, this has now moved into his bones, and it’s always more serious when that happens, as we all know. Stage four. Stage four is serious. Most, most, not all, because there are some that can recover from stage four, but typically stage four and beyond, you’re not recovering from. Not typically. Again, I know some of you will text me even that some family members or whatever. My dad had stage four cancer and colon cancer and actually survived. So, yes, I know you can and they can do some different things along those lines. But in this case, when it moves to your bones, it’s not good. Now, here’s the question that everybody’s asking this morning. Myself and Charlie included or today, I should say. But it was starting this morning as far as the questions went. No one knew. No one knew. In other words, how many didn’t cover this up, including his own wife and family? Because if any of you that are any men, well, women know this as well, but we men especially know this. we’ve gotten into an age today where you can even take a simple blood test and it will tell you what your psa readings are and if they start to get elevated it’s time to get checked further right charlie that’s typically how that works you know other exams x-rays mris things like that so you can’t tell me i won’t believe that several years ago even his psa levels weren’t increasing I don’t care who comes out. I don’t care what medical doctor comes out. I don’t care who was close to him comes out and says otherwise. I’m not believing it because that’s not how it works. You don’t just all of a sudden, one morning, wake up, stage four, and it’s in your bones. It doesn’t work that way. Any of you out there listening to me, you men especially, you know exactly what I’m talking about. It doesn’t work that way. And yet you’re going to now have a previous administration claiming that that’s what happened. That’s what they’re going to try to make all of us believe. Oh, we didn’t know anything was going on. He had a clean bill of health. No, he didn’t. No, he didn’t. We were all being lied to. The American public, Congress and so on, we were all being lied to. Joe’s fine. No, he’s not. I would guess, Charlie and I were trying to do a little bit of math on this prior to the show today, and this is the part where, no, I can’t be exactly accurate, neither can anybody else, by the way, no matter what pundit you see, even a medical doctor getting up and talking about this and claiming when this would have started. Best guess, and that’s all it is, is a guess, is probably somewhere in the 2020-2021 range is when they most likely started seeing some things happening. Could have even been when he was running for president in 2020. Could have been then. Could have had some elevated PSAs at that point. That’s my point. It most likely did. Now, they could have been elevated, maybe not to the point of having to do a lot of other additional checks, but I guarantee you his PSA levels were rising at least four to five years ago. Am I right, Charlie? You, of all people, know about this as well as anybody, and reality is Charlie is in there nodding his head, yes, most likely they knew that far back. It’s highly unlikely, highly unlikely that they found out any time after that. I’ll even give some grace and say it was four years ago, so 2021. Maybe he was half a year into his presidency, something along those lines. Believe me, they knew then. And I fully believe, Richard and I were talking about this earlier, he’ll be with me at 4.30, and he and I were talking about this today. Wouldn’t surprise me if they didn’t know all of this is going on all the way through him running for president in 2024. with the thought process that he’ll win, will then be able to, once he wins, will then be able to leak this information out that he has stage four prostate cancer, therefore allowing him to step down and having Kamala step in as president. And I don’t think that’s too far off of a thought, to be honest with you. I could see them thinking through that and thinking that’s what they were going to do. Now, as it turned out, that didn’t happen because Joe was, in my opinion, failing. We all thought he had dementia, Alzheimer’s, something along those lines. And by the way, he could have. It could be both. It could just be something that was happening in regards to his cancer. Could have even been the treatment of. We don’t know. I mean, they’re not telling us. They’re not being honest with us. He could have been having treatments all along and we wouldn’t know because they weren’t telling us. We’ve been lied to by all the people that were close to Joe Biden. Those of you that are on the left, how can you justify that? How do you justify that? All we ever hear about when Donald Trump is president is his cognitive skills aren’t very well. He can’t pass an IQ test. He can’t do this. He can’t do that. Blah, blah, blah. And yet your guy’s running around with stage four cancer. And who knows what else? Because, again, we’re not being told the truth in regards to Joe’s health, even today. Now, where I do feel bad for Joe Biden, because I wouldn’t wish either dementia, Alzheimer’s, I’ve said that before, but now stage four cancer, I wouldn’t wish that on anybody. I’m not gloating in the fact that he’s got this condition. Not at all. I feel very bad for him personally, because that’s not a fun thing to go through. And what I feel worse for him about is he had loved ones and people near him that covered all of this up. basically propping him up to be a puppet all the way through the presidency, knowing he had stage four cancer. I mean, how evil do you have to be to do that to somebody? And those of you that are on the left that listen to me, that’s my point. How evil do you have to be to prop up somebody that you supposedly love and care for and admire and honor? How do you prop them up through all of that when you know this is the condition they’ve got? Because trust me, it didn’t just come out yesterday. That I can guarantee you. I bet you that one all day long. They’ve known for quite some time and all they did was prop him up throughout his presidency. Shame on the left. Shame on those that were close to Joe Biden. Shame on his doctors and shame on the news media who most likely knew as well. Shame on all of you. You guys are nothing but a bunch of crumbs. Period. To do something to another human being like that. You ought to all be ashamed of yourselves. I have no other things to say other than that. You ought to be ashamed of yourself. Dr. Scott, speaking of doctors, Scott is an alternative doctor to what you would normally find in regard to the health care system. He’s going to fill in for me this coming Wednesday. I’ve got some family things that I need to attend to, and Dr. Scott’s going to fill in for me. And he’s always got great things to talk about, so make sure you tune in for health and wellness and whatever questions you’ve got. Have all those ready as well. But you can call him directly, 303-663-6990.
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All right. And we are back. And several of you texting in that. Yep, John, I know exactly what you’re talking about. I’ve had, you know, X, Y, Z tests done in one case since this particular texture was 30 years of age. And trust me, they were doing the same thing when it came to Joe Biden. And don’t forget, he had the same care even while he was V.P., So who knows what they knew even the eight years he was there at that time. But bottom line, trust me, folks knew about this, people close to him, and so on. So, again, at the end of the day, believe me, they did know exactly what was going on. So we’re doing our best to get our next guest on. If we get her, great. If not, as always, we continue on. The show must go on. So, anyways, the other thing that’s interesting, just a side note, about all of this information being released now, last night, is this because of the quote unquote her recordings? In other words, there’s other things being released. There’s a book, Tapper’s releasing a book as well. You gotta wonder, the timing of this isn’t by accident. The timing of this, believe me, is on purpose. And then you have to start asking the question, You know, how does this all fit together and what are they trying to diffuse at the same time? So the her recordings, by the way, are literal recordings they have right now of him and her talking to one another and some of the cognitive or lack of on. President Biden’s part and so on. And then again, as I said, you’ve got Jake Tapper coming out with his book talking about some of these things. And again, keep in mind, it’s funny. These are the same people that were very close to Biden during his presidency that have now all of a sudden, quote unquote, turned on him all so they can make a buck. Literally, so they can make a buck. Now, not that conservatives don’t do the same at times because those that have been close to Trump have done the same thing. So I get that’s human nature to, you know, if you can, you know, throw out some information and make a buck in doing so, then, you know, why not? But that’s exactly how I see a lot of what’s happening right now. So let’s go to our our guests. We have Debbie. And is it Osborne? Debbie, am I saying that right? Yes, that is. Welcome. Author of Protecting Other People’s Children, 120 Days to a Strong Child Safety Policy. So first things first, let’s talk about the book.
SPEAKER 09 :
Thank you so much for the opportunity. I’m a lawyer. I’ve been advising youth-serving organizations for, gosh, three decades now as a volunteer and as a lawyer. and defending them against claims of bad things happening in their organizations. And so my co-author and I, he’s been involved in child welfare, so we just distilled all of the things we’ve been telling our clients for 30 years into a book. Great. In hopes that we can reach more people with the same the same lessons.
SPEAKER 07 :
No, that’s great. So what you’re really doing in this book is instructing organizations, especially on, hey, how can we or how can you have a really good child protection policy or policies, plural, I should say, in place again so we can protect our kids. Right.
SPEAKER 09 :
Right, exactly.
SPEAKER 07 :
Okay, so let me back. I’m going to maybe go about this a little bit opposite of what others might do. And I guess the questions I have for you is, what do you see as some of the biggest mistakes organizations make when it comes to protecting kids?
SPEAKER 09 :
Well, I have always said that the second worst thing you can do is not have a policy about risk.
SPEAKER 07 :
I would agree with that.
SPEAKER 09 :
The worst thing you can do is have a policy that you don’t follow.
SPEAKER 07 :
That’s like businesses that have policies they don’t follow.
SPEAKER 09 :
Exactly. Why have it? Well, not only that, but in my world where I come in when clients get sued, it becomes evidence against you.
SPEAKER 07 :
That’s right.
SPEAKER 09 :
You knew this was a problem, you developed this policy, and then you set it up on a shelf and didn’t follow it.
SPEAKER 07 :
You didn’t follow it. Yep. No, I come out of the business community, still own a business to this day, so I fully understand what you’re talking about. Nothing worse than coming up with a plan and a policy to handle something, and then you don’t follow it.
SPEAKER 09 :
That’s right, because the next person who will see it is a lawyer asking you questions about it.
SPEAKER 07 :
Okay, so outside of that, they don’t do a policy, or they do a policy, and then they don’t follow said policy. What are other mistakes they make?
SPEAKER 09 :
The other mistakes they make is I think we have become way too focused on protecting kids from pedophiles in our organizations. That is incredibly important. But it distracts us from what is statistically the more common thing in our organizations, which is child-on-child abuse, bullying, assault, those kind of things. Okay. Statistically, those happen more often, and they can be just as devastating. So the analogy I use is, you know, my child care centers say we had kids fall off the slide, so we’re going to put all the teachers over watching the slides, which means that the next three injuries they will get will be in the sandbox because all of the teachers are watching the slide.
SPEAKER 07 :
Yeah, all the focus went one direction, and yet there’s other things still going on.
SPEAKER 09 :
Exactly.
SPEAKER 07 :
Yeah, I can see that. That makes sense. You just brought something to my attention, which I think common sense would tell you to watch for the child-on-child abuse, bullying, things along those lines. Although I will tell you that I don’t think, and you know this because of your position, most organizations probably don’t think that way, do they?
SPEAKER 09 :
No, they don’t. They’ve gotten so panicked over predatory adults that they forget to watch for the kids.
SPEAKER 07 :
Which, and like you said, I get that. I mean, we want to keep kids safe. We want to keep them away from those individuals. A lot of organizations now do everything from background checks to your history and different things, which I’m a fan of. I think that’s all great. The last thing you want to do is let somebody slip through the cracks and be involved in your organization that shouldn’t be there in the first place. So I get that, but we do all of that and yet forget some of the other basics.
SPEAKER 09 :
Right, exactly. Or sometimes we’re so focused on the sexual predators that we let somebody in with an anger problem who, Yes, backhand’s a kid. We don’t think about physical abuse as much as we do sexual abuse.
SPEAKER 07 :
Okay, so I want to go back to the child-on-child end of things. How do they develop policies around it? In other words, when does something get to the point of having to notify somebody that something’s going on and it’s not just kids being kids and teasing one another and so on?
SPEAKER 09 :
Well, you need to develop clear policies. I call them boundaries. So what sort of touch between kids is acceptable? Be very clear with the kids about that. And then be very clear with your staff about recognizing these things. And then on some level, you have to understand that we – We really need to understand normal child development. So, you know, Tina, middle school boys, they’re just gross.
SPEAKER 07 :
They are.
SPEAKER 09 :
They think penises are funny.
SPEAKER 07 :
They are.
SPEAKER 09 :
And when they start ragging each other in the locker room, that doesn’t mean they’re
SPEAKER 07 :
budding pedophiles or you know aggressive no boys will be boys you know whether you want to say unfortunately or not i don’t say unfortunately because it’s just part of what to your point is what boys do and boys will be boys now i think what you have to be careful of this is my opinion is you can typically tell when things are getting out of hand and somebody’s not feeling comfortable at that point in time and you need to be aware of that right
SPEAKER 09 :
Right, exactly, exactly. And you need to spend a lot of time watching kids. And sometimes kids will go along with things because of peer pressure when they’re really not okay with it. And so you have to train your staff to recognize those things as well.
SPEAKER 07 :
Okay. Now, some organizations, and this one I appreciate, it’s in my notes, and I wouldn’t probably have thought of this, but some organizations have, I don’t want to say unlimited resources, but have a lot more resources than, say, a small organization or a newly formed organization would have. How do folks do this on a budget?
SPEAKER 09 :
That’s what our book talks about. You leverage volunteers, people with experience in your community, parents, alumni. board members, and you put them on teams and you say, help us figure this out. And then you analyze your worst, your biggest risks, and you work on those risks. And then everything else that you can do, let’s say one of the things, for example, has become really popular is in schools or camps is to have doors with windows in them. You may not have the budget to do this right away. You just put it on a list of things we’ll look at later. But you can have rules now about you’re never in that room with a kid with the door closed. It doesn’t take any money to have a rule saying the door is always open.
SPEAKER 07 :
Yes, very good point. Very good point. When it comes to other things along those lines, these are questions that I just had in regards to maybe folks out there listening that want to implement some of these things, and I would encourage you, number one, get the book and start following along. So back to some of your policies on not only the open door, but should organizations really look at, okay, we’re going to go take this field trip or we’re going to go do an overnight stay, something along those lines. I’m assuming those are other areas where they need to be extremely careful, right?
SPEAKER 09 :
Yes, exactly, particularly field trips. If you’re an organization that has members of the public come in to a basketball tournament, then you need to – pay attention to who has access to your kids and who’s keeping an eye on the kids.
SPEAKER 07 :
That’s a great point. In other words, who are we going to allow access to the kids, right?
SPEAKER 09 :
Right.
SPEAKER 07 :
Okay. And I’m guessing that’s where things can get a little dicey sometimes because you’ve got to be careful that you’re not alienating parents and relatives, but at the same time we want to keep the kids safe.
SPEAKER 09 :
Right, exactly, exactly. So, you know, I’ve had the issue of what do you do if you’re a sports league and you have parents who are on the sex abuse registry, sex offenders registry, because, in my opinion, there are too many people on that registry because you get, for years ago, people who were charged with statutory rape because, you know, a 19-year-old had sex with a 17-year-old girlfriend. And so you have to walk through how do you deal with parents? What do you let the other parents in the league know? What rules do you have for them? So a lot of these rules have been – there are rules out there, and you just find people in your community – who are willing to go do the research and see, for example, what rules do churches have in place about sex offenders who want to attend church? You don’t have to completely reinvent the wheel. You can learn from a lot of other folks.
SPEAKER 07 :
Great point. Great point. I think on top of that, common sense has to fit into some of this at some point as well, Debbie. In other words… Yeah, well, that might be a great policy for them, and they’re a great large organization, and they have the ability, by the way, to put all these windows in the doors and things like that. We don’t have that ability, so we’re going to have to figure out a workaround.
SPEAKER 09 :
Right, exactly, exactly. And sometimes, you know, they get bad advice. They get advice that’s designed for groups with huge budgets. One really common rule that I hear, and it makes me crazy because it’s such a high-standard is always have two adults around with kids every time you have a group of kids. Well, I don’t have many clients who can hire twice as many people as they need.
SPEAKER 07 :
No, I’ve been around the nonprofit church end of things enough, Debbie, to know that that’s a pipe dream.
SPEAKER 09 :
It is. You’re not going to hire two teachers for every classroom. Nobody can afford to do that.
SPEAKER 07 :
Nope, not going to happen. Not going to happen.
SPEAKER 09 :
Right. So you’re looking at what’s the policy and how can you – what’s the principle behind that and how can you reach it another way?
SPEAKER 07 :
Another question I had, and again, being the business guy that I am because I know how involved these folks can be and insert themselves, and I don’t always agree with them either, are insurance companies. Because a lot of times insurance companies will even come out with a set of things that you must be doing or else. How much do you take that into consideration, or do you? Or do you just go about doing what you need to do on your own?
SPEAKER 09 :
Well, insurance companies have a wealth of information. They have a lot of statistics at their disposal that I don’t have. They can do loss runs, and they can get granular down to the X number of assaults by kids at camps in the summer months kind of thing. So I definitely pay attention to their expertise, but… again, you have to see what will work for you.
SPEAKER 07 :
Yeah, again, for example, they could easily be one of those that comes back and says, you need two for every, you know, every classroom has to have two adults in it. I could easily see an insurance company coming back and saying that. It’s like, yeah, you going to pay for that?
SPEAKER 09 :
Right. Right. Exactly. Exactly. So, I mean, insurance companies will, a lot of them will offer discounts if you have your, your, staff go through a particular training, those kind of things are, you know, training’s always… Sure. Most of the insurance companies that I’ve worked with don’t have specific rules that you have to follow. Okay. They just have recommended, take a look at this kind of rules.
SPEAKER 07 :
Do you get into anything along the lines of, you know, security cameras, dash cams in vehicles that might be transporting kids around and so on? Is that anything you get into?
SPEAKER 09 :
I get into it to the point that cameras are not for prevention. They are if something comes up later. Because the only way they’re good for prevention is if you have someone who is able to sit and look at that video to figure out what’s going on. And, again, most of my clients don’t.
SPEAKER 07 :
Yeah.
SPEAKER 09 :
You only find out about things after the fact.
SPEAKER 07 :
Yeah, no, that makes sense. Do you get into – this is something that I was always big on in the organizations I was involved in because my background is I’m a car guy, so I’m kind of coming from that end of things. And I was always big on are we transporting kids around in safe vehicles and doing things correctly? And, yes, I know that part of it can also get expensive, but a lot of times organizations will just pack – as many kids into parents’ vehicles as they possibly can. Is that really the best thing to do? Do you get into any of that?
SPEAKER 09 :
No, I get into it from the point of view of what kind of waivers do you need and what kind of background checks do you need of the parents who are driving the kids. You know, you have to check for their driving record as well as their criminal record. for drivers. But again, our focus is let’s look at what you… have, and it may be that buying a van, although 15-passenger vans are highly unsafe, according to statistics, but maybe you need a school bus or a smaller van. Put that on the list for later, and in the meantime, let’s figure out how to have rules that you can safely use what you have.
SPEAKER 07 :
Okay. Makes total sense. Debbie, how do folks get a hold of the book? If there’s somebody listening, and we have a lot of folks, by the way, that are in these type of organizations where they could benefit from this, how do they find it?
SPEAKER 09 :
The easiest way to find it is going to be Protecting Other People’s Children. which is our website, or you can look for Protecting Other People’s Children on Amazon and Barnes & Noble.
SPEAKER 07 :
Awesome. I’m glad you wrote this. There will be a lot of individual organizations out there that I’m sure will benefit from this. This is something that I’ve been, as you can tell, been involved in some of this over the years, and I appreciate this. I don’t think in a lot of cases, especially smaller organizations, really think through this like they should.
SPEAKER 09 :
Right, and that’s what our book does. It just takes you through, think about this, do this checklist, think about that, and develop your policies.
SPEAKER 07 :
Awesome. Debbie, again, thank you so much. I appreciate your time.
SPEAKER 09 :
Thank you so much for the opportunity.
SPEAKER 07 :
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SPEAKER 07 :
All right, got a couple of minutes here. I want to squeeze this in. Again, more of a PSA, a public service announcement, but very important because, again, last thing I want to see happen to anybody, and it doesn’t matter age, this can happen to most anybody, the scams that are out there. And this one is something I had not heard of, so I read this in the Colorado Sun. It is the cryptocurrency ATM scam, which I didn’t know they were cryptocurrency ATMs, but there is because of… Things in Colorado, marijuana and so on, I guess folks can actually deposit money and get cryptocurrency in exchange because banking with that particular type of money is, in a lot of cases, illegal. Banks won’t do that and so on. So there’s cryptocurrency ATMs. So what a lot of scammers will do, which I didn’t know this… They will find unsuspecting individuals. In the case of this particular story, it’s a 91-year-old lady that had spent countless hours on the phone with some anonymous man impersonating the Geek Squad at Best Buy, demanding she send them cash. And by the time she had gotten finished with this particular scam, she fed $8,000 into a cryptocurrency ATM. She then finally got a hold of the police, felt like she was being scammed. They were able to get back a portion of that money. The problem is once it goes there and goes into the whole crypto world, you’re likely to never see that money again. So point being, and this is what I want to leave folks with. Number one, no legitimate organization. I’m going to repeat this. No legitimate organization will ever ask you to turn your money into crypto. Period. Not going to happen. That is the number one red flag that it’s a scam is somebody wants you to go buy crypto or do crypto or invest in crypto or anything along those lines. Number one reason you know it’s a scam. Number two. Nobody like Geek Squad or anybody like that will ever require you to do anything on the front side before something is actually fixed and you meet somebody face-to-face that you know is legit. They’ve showed up in the van. They’ve shown up and done everything they need to do, and you can tell by looking at them they’re in uniform. You’ve got a Best Buy receipt, the whole nine yards. Sure, at that point in time, pay them with a credit card. card, by the way, never a check. I’ve talked about that in the past numerous times. There’s a reason, and there’s lots of reasons, by the way, to use a credit card, not to go into debt, but for protection because of things along these lines. You can always get your money back on a scam with a credit card where you will not feeding a cryptocurrency ATM machine. So just a little PSA, anybody asking you to do anything at all with crypto, hang up the Do not respond, whatever the case, but don’t get caught in those traps. Please, please, please. So I’ll leave you with that. We’ll be back for Hour 2 in a moment. Rush to Reason, Denver’s Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560.
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