Join Mike Gallagher as he navigates the complexities of the current political landscape, drawing connections between the actions of business mogul Elon Musk and the governmental challenges faced by former President Trump. Through thought-provoking dialogue, Mike exposes the fragility within political and business strategies, discussing the potential repercussions that could arise from the clash of these two influential figures. Dive into an exploration of governmental expectations versus corporate realities.
mike gallagher every day mike visits with mark davis morning host on 6 60 a.m the answer in dallas here’s today’s eminem experience i’ve been thinking a lot about it this morning um in fact there was some reporting that was just repeated from axios mark caputo was sharing remember the screaming match that scott besant and elon got into outside the oval office i don’t know if i’d Well, it was not denied by the White House. In fact, Caroline Leavitt was asked about it and she didn’t deny it. So it did happen. And evidently, one of the things Scott Besson said to Elon is, you’re a fraud. You promised $2 trillion in cuts. Then it was $1 trillion. Then it turned into $500 billion. Now it’s $150. You’re a fraud. And then, of course, Elon got into his face and said, you’re a failed hedge fund manager. And it was very personal. And I’ve known bosses like Trump who like that kind of tension. They think it brings out the best in warring sides. But here’s what I think we have to consider about Elon. First of all, hope everybody’s paying attention as you’re rallying around Elon at Hakeem Jeffries and Chuck Schumer. Yes. And all of the Democrats are lining up, oh, Elon is right. Oh, he’s right. So guess what? Democrats are voting in your poll that Elon is a brave, courageous truth teller too now. Because you know why? Because they don’t want the bill because they’re terrified of border security. They’re terrified of all the things in it. They’re terrified of codifying and making permanent the Tax Cuts and Jobs Act of 2017. So I want to push back gently with love to you and all your listeners. as Elon went through all these late-night dissing texts and tweets, and he keeps dissing Trump in these new posts. President Trump, incidentally, oddly quiet about it right now.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah, which is, I think, which is a signal.
SPEAKER 03 :
It’s telling.
SPEAKER 04 :
I want you to continue your premise, but Trump, well, first of all, I don’t think Trump, one of the big things last night was, what’s the running clock before Trump says, I never knew him, I don’t know who this guy is, and I don’t think that’s going to happen, nor do I think it’s a psyop. Nor do I think they were being played here. I just think there’s a way for Elon’s purity of purity of perception. And I think where you’re going to go is he just doesn’t understand the governmental system and is not ultimately being helpful. But I think there’s a way for all this to work out. Let me let you continue.
SPEAKER 03 :
Well, there better be a way for it to work out because I’m going to go to what we need to go to. What’s the end game? You and I, I think, rightfully ask often about issues like, for example, the war with Ukraine and Russia. What’s the end game? We keep writing blank checks to Vladimir Zelensky. What’s the end game? You think Ukraine’s going to beat Russia? No. You think we’re going to get into a war with Russia? So what is the endgame? And we ask that a lot, and I think it helps add clarity to the debate. Well, let’s do the endgame game on this. If the bill fails… What do you think is going to happen, Mark? If it’s not good enough for the Elons and the Thomas Massys and the Ron Johnsons of the world, what are we left with? Let me tell you what we’re left with, shattering the Trump agenda, obliterating the Trump mandate. And you’re right, if it does come down to Elon versus Trump, I’m with Trump every day of the week. Let’s talk about a business person like Elon. He’s brilliant. He has turned so much around. But he sees things from the eyes of somebody who has not been president for four and a half years. He doesn’t know really how the sausage is made. We got a guy with steel you-know-whats in the Oval Office who’s trying to make chicken salad from a bowl of chicken you-know-what. Here’s my… With love admonition this morning, stay in your lane, Elon. Back off and let President Trump try to navigate this. Now, I’m open to one thing, and I want to get off my soapbox here and ask you about this theory. Yeah, but I wonder if Donald Trump isn’t in on this with Elon Musk.
SPEAKER 04 :
Which is exactly where a lot of people are going. If it’s binary, if we got a pick going all the way.
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SPEAKER 04 :
Right about this and yet still say, hey, you ain’t President Trump is. There’s more good than bad in the bill, and the bill needs to pass, and the failure of the bill might lead to our failure in the midterm. So you’ve got to look at the big picture. And for our buddy Elon, there’s an old saying, I don’t know who coined this, let everything you say be truth, but not all truths need to be spoken all the time. That’s right. Indeed, Elon is fiscally correct and right. When you were talking 60 seconds ago about how he comes in with a kind of a neophyte perception of how his clear eye, his fresh eyes have been of enormous value in finding government waste. Doge is great. It needs to continue. Let’s get to that two trillion that he talked about. But it also means you’re kind of a babe in the woods as far as how things actually happen. And you know who it reminds me of? A very different character, Ross Perot, who said, I’m going to put up the hood. Let’s take a look. I’m doing Dana Carvey doing Ross Perot. And God bless Ross Perot. But government’s not a business. It never will be. There are principles of business. Don’t spend money you don’t have, blah, blah, blah. But government is not. You can’t snap a finger, write a memo, gather the team, and change things overnight.
SPEAKER 03 :
Look, Elon is very frustrated. That’s very obvious. It’s clear he’s frustrated now. And we all are. But I think he’s got a whole different level of frustration. It was reported that Tesla sales were down 45 percent in the month of May. Now, I hate that for him, but he’s got his hands full. He leaves the White House and he has absolutely damaged himself in a massive way. And shame on the loony left business. Business-wise? Business-wise, his brand. I mean, if it’s true, 45%, Mark, that’s not nothing. And he’s got to get back to work. So he knows that and he’s got to fix that. He’s got a fiduciary responsibility to turn his companies back. And I think they’re going to come back. But he’s just frustrated. And we get all of that. I get that. I admire him and I respect him. But I think he’s got to back off and stay in his lane. Because, again, you said something a moment ago that really struck with me. You think there’ll be more good than bad in this bill. Well, there definitely is more.
SPEAKER 04 :
There’s totally more.
SPEAKER 03 :
Well, all right. Well, let’s look at that. Let’s do a deep dive on that. If the more good, the absolute secure border, the tax cuts made permanent, but if that still comes with a heavy deficit price, how do you determine what’s more good than bad? Because what Thomas Massey is saying and what Elon Musk is saying is to hell with the border security. There’s too much spending.
SPEAKER 04 :
Exactly.
SPEAKER 03 :
Forget the tax cuts. We’ve got too much spending. And so this is the problem we have. And this is what I’m we got to be careful here not to get, you know, swept away by the dreamy, you know, rantings of Elon Musk here. He might be saying, forget it. Let the bill crash and burn, burn it all down and the and the Trump agenda because they didn’t give us enough. That’s a mistake, Mark.
SPEAKER 04 :
That’s a big mistake. And it’s a product of the business versus government mindset.
SPEAKER 03 :
That’s right.
SPEAKER 04 :
That Walter Isaacson biography of Elon. I recommend it because everything Elon does, I can find like page 275. There’s something in there. He welcomes business failure. He learns from every business failure. Let some rocket design happen. absolutely blow up on the pad. Fine. Back to square one. Let’s see what we do. That ain’t how government works. Government is very incremental. You can’t really have a big… For us to have this rocket blow up on the pad, we can’t turn it around fast enough and make everything hunky-dory by the midterms. We’re going to be gauged very slavishly, very… minutely by millions of people whether Trump is able to deliver. What’s the measure of every politician? Can you deliver on what you promised? And from full border wall funding to tax cuts to a number of other things that are in the big beautiful bill, if this thing fails, there’s going to be hell to pay.
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