Join us as we explore the technological prowess and future strategies of Tesla with insights from Elon Musk’s endeavors. The conversation opens avenues about possible partnerships, innovations in hybrid technology, and the envisioned future of autonomous vehicles. John and Andy discuss the broader implications of Tesla not just as a car company, but as a data powerhouse with potential expansions into home robotics, signaling a transformative era for personal and automotive innovations.
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All right, Hour 2, Rush to Reason, Denver’s Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560. Myself, Andy Pate. We’re doing our best to get Mr. Wrightstone with us. You know, he’s a busy man, so we’ll do our best to get him. If not, we’ve got plenty of things that we can talk about either way. And for those of you that were listening to the last hour, thank you, by the way. We had a great hour. Really talked about some things that I wasn’t planning on talking about, but it worked out really well because I’d already been talking about them earlier in the day, so it was perfect timing.
SPEAKER 07 :
Yeah. Hey, let me ask you this. You know, all these green subsidies that Trump has cut. OK, obviously, it’s going to change the automotive world. It’s going to change.
SPEAKER 14 :
Absolutely.
SPEAKER 07 :
Andy, how much do you think it’s also going to simply flat out damage the Democrat Party? And what I mean is this. Every time there was a major green themed subsidy, somehow a lot of that money made its way into Democrat coffers.
SPEAKER 14 :
Absolutely. Absolutely. It’s a funding arm. Yeah, that’s gone.
SPEAKER 07 :
It just seems to me that Trump is crushing a lot of their funding arms. USAID, I mean, that was a huge funding arm for the Democrat Party. I just think in a lot of ways, the first time around, he didn’t really go after these things. Of course, he was spending a lot of his time having to defend himself against a hoax. But this time around, he seems to be going right after their funding, which I think is a great idea.
SPEAKER 14 :
I never really thought it. I’m glad you said that, Andy. I hadn’t really thought about it in that way. But, you know, you’re spot on. That’s exactly what’s going to happen. There’s a lot of that money that was, you know, for those of you listening, how did that money make it into the party? Well, it came through some of the owners of the company, a lot of the employees that worked in the company, some of them overpaid, by the way, able then to funnel some of that money from their payroll right back into, you know, Democrat coffers and so on. So multiple ways that happened inside of those companies.
SPEAKER 07 :
Well, one thing that we are seeing is that the RNC and the DNC nationally, the DNC is in terrible financial shape right now. And the RNC has more money than God. OK, basically, I mean, I’m exaggerating, but they’re just rolling in dough and the DNC is broke. I’m just kind of wondering if a lot of this is because of what Trump is doing with things like, well, really, with all the scams.
SPEAKER 14 :
That’s right.
SPEAKER 07 :
And a lot of this we got to thank Elon for.
SPEAKER 14 :
You’re right.
SPEAKER 07 :
I really wish that they would get back together, don’t you?
SPEAKER 14 :
I do. I wish they’d bury the hatchet, although I don’t know when that’s going to happen because I think Elon’s got a lot on his plate just with getting some of the companies and things back on track. And he’s got some bigger issues, especially with Tesla, as we talked during the last hour, where he’s going to have some things to – he’s got some more challenges because he’s losing some of what – And how should I say this? It’s not just because of his political stance, but the reason why some people bought Tesla is because of tax credits and other things, even some of his carbon offset credits that he’s been able to sell and put back into the company. Those are all ending. He’s going to have to change his model to some extent.
SPEAKER 07 :
Well, those are ending, but also he had opened up a whole new market because of his alliance with Trump. Right. Okay. So he had all these people, like you said, who were skeptical of electric engines, who were going to buy Teslas just because of their love for Trump. Right. And they were going to buy in. Now that’s all gone. You know, what I’ve been saying all along is I think he needs partnership with a major company, a major ICE company.
SPEAKER 14 :
Yeah, I don’t see that happening. You’re right, but it’s not going to happen.
SPEAKER 07 :
I’m not saying it will. I don’t think it will.
SPEAKER 14 :
He’s got too much ego to do that.
SPEAKER 07 :
No, I totally agree. The reason I’m saying it would hypothetically be a good thing is because he brings such incredible innovation.
SPEAKER 14 :
with his cars and so many valuable assets that he brings with his cars and they of course bring what they do it would just seem to me like they bring the manufacturing power the streamlined approach and so on which he drastically needs some help with the quality control on how the cars fit and finishes and all of that and he brings a technological component uh to the table i’m with you i’ve said that for years andy even on drive radio long before musk even came over to our side of the I’ve said that for years. That’s exactly what needs to happen. The problem is his ego is too big for that.
SPEAKER 07 :
Totally agree. Hypothetically. Once again, we’re just talking hypothetical. I’m just having fun here for a sec. Let’s say he did get together with, I don’t know, pick one, Chevy.
SPEAKER 14 :
GM, yeah.
SPEAKER 07 :
GM. And they together created an all-new hybrid car. What do you think it’d be like? I mean, do you think it’d be something really cool or no?
SPEAKER 14 :
Nothing much different than what probably is already out there with Toyota. And keep in mind that General Motors, when it came to some of the hybrid, plug-in hybrid technology and so on, was ahead of a lot of other people anyway. So they’ve got some of that technology already there on hand. I think, again, what Elon brings to the table is just technologically how do you incorporate all of this into a better driving experience at the end of the day. Yes, that you would get.
SPEAKER 07 :
I’m not saying that he would make a better hybrid engine. I’m saying he would bring all the tech of his cars into something like that, into the car itself. Okay. And then, of course, you already have these great plug-in hybrids that they’re doing with GM. Put it all together, I think you’d have a lot of fun. Yeah.
SPEAKER 14 :
It would be a success. It’s fun to talk about. But, yeah, at the end of the day, Andy, it’s not going to happen because, again, Elon’s got huge ego, which, you know, love the guy, hate the guy, whatever. It doesn’t make any difference at the end of the day what you feel about him. It’s who he is. He’s a very smart individual. And the one thing that he’s, again, built at Tesla, which a lot of folks get to remind people at times, too, that Tesla’s not a car company. Tesla’s a data company. They are collecting data on every single driver they have out on the road today, and he’s selling that data, making buku bucks on that alone. So it’s not just a transportation company getting people from A to B. It’s, I’m going to get you from A to B. And oh, by the way, I’m going to figure out every single thing you do from A to B. Where you shop, where you stop, who you see, what you’re doing, all these different things. I am collecting all of that data so I can plug that into everybody out there that wants to market to you.
SPEAKER 07 :
What about his self-driving taxis? Do you think there’s a huge, huge – Oh, absolutely. Okay.
SPEAKER 14 :
Absolutely, yes. And that’s another big thing that if he gets that really up and running, I mean, honestly, Andy, not that you wouldn’t want to sell regular passenger cars to the public, but if he can get that going and then somehow as time goes by incorporate that into rental fleets whereby you rent a car but you’re really not driving that rental car, it’s driving you. I mean, so many aspects and so many – things that he could do based off of that, if he ever gets that fully done and rolling, yeah, you could get to the point where he controls that entire market and probably will when it’s all said and done. That’s my prediction is he probably will.
SPEAKER 07 :
I think it’d be really interesting for, let’s say, bars. Okay, you got a bar. Somebody you know has had too much to drink. They shouldn’t drive. You call Elon’s company. Boom, they get something that drives them home.
SPEAKER 14 :
A self-driving Uber, basically, is the way that would be. As you basically would call a self-driving Uber, it would take you home. And again, an Uber will now. And keep in mind, Waymo and other companies are out there already that are doing something similar to this. But I think what Elon will do is he’ll bring much more sophistication and stability to the table than what you’re finding in some of these other outfits that are doing this now.
SPEAKER 07 :
Agreed.
SPEAKER 14 :
So we’ll see how this all goes. You know, will Tesla survive? Yeah. Are they going to take a hit on some things? Yes. Now, the one thing that I think Tesla needs to do as well, just to cover this with with what you said, Andy, and just kind of further this along one last step is the other thing that Tesla is going to have to do that he hasn’t done is and they’ve done a little bit of a refresh on a model or two. But unfortunately, a lot of new Teslas that you go out there and buy today don’t look any different than their 10 year old counterpart. Right. That’s a problem because people like fresh things. The reason why they buy cars is because, oh, the new model looks so much better than the old one. I want it.
SPEAKER 07 :
Yeah, I just saw the latest Volvo electric. That is cool.
SPEAKER 14 :
I drove one last week. Yep.
SPEAKER 07 :
I mean, it’s just so cool looking. I assume it drives great because all electric cars do. It does. But it just looked really cool. I was like, okay, now that’s forward thinking, and it made Tesla look really old, John.
SPEAKER 14 :
Well, yeah. Unfortunately, and you’re right, unfortunately, though, Tesla’s got their tech beat 10 to 1, and I’m not exaggerating.
SPEAKER 07 :
I’m sure they do.
SPEAKER 14 :
The Tesla tech over that Polestar, that’s what the Volvo electric car is called, the Polestar. Andy, there is no comparison. The Polestar is clunky. It’s not very intuitive. I’m a tech guy, as you know, and I struggle to figure out everything in that car.
SPEAKER 07 :
this is where I’ve been going with this. You bring all the tech of Tesla to a company that makes, let’s face it, better cars, better looking cars, cooler cars, combine them. See where I’m going with this.
SPEAKER 14 :
Yeah. And if you could get him to do that, but he won’t, but it’s not, yeah, it’s just, it’s just not in his nature, not in his DNA. And yeah, you know, and the other thing too, keep in mind, keep this in mind. In fact, we can come back and talk about this. Some of the other things that Tesla has on the books that I think will keep them still rolling along is some of the other robotics and things that he’s working on as well. So, We’ll talk about that as soon as we come back. Great topic, by the way. Veteran windows and doors coming up next. One of the things you need to make sure that you’re doing is staying up when it comes to windows and doors and the energy efficiency of, you know, costs when it comes to energy may be going up, may be coming down. Bottom line is don’t spend any more money on that than you have to and make your home more comfortable all at the same time. klzradio.com is where you find veteran windows and doors.
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putting reason into your afternoon drive this is john rush and we are back rush to reason denver’s afternoon rush klz 560 somebody said that tesla has one of the highest profit margins of any car company ever that’s not necessarily true i’m not sure where you’re getting that profit figure from they have had some higher profit figures in the past although it’s down at the moment one of the things that elon has struggled with is it’s up it’s down it’s up it’s down it’s one of the things that he’s struggled with on the manufacturing side. But, you know, he’s not doing any better gross margin wise on his cars than some of his other competitors. Now, some have less margin like General Motors, for example, or Ford. But keep in mind that those two companies will outsell Tesla, you know, four to one. So, you know, you work off of the volume sides of things. You don’t have to have the same percentage because you’re selling so many more cars than what Tesla is that at the end of the day, your actual profit dollars going to the bank is substantially higher. Makes sense? Yeah, it does. Now, I was going to talk about as we were going to break that the other thing I do think that’s going to keep Tesla alive is some of the other ancillary products that they will end up making. For example, Andy was talking about some of the self-driving cars you might see in taxis and things like that. And yeah, I could see that being something whereby that’s another division that he makes boatloads of money off of. I also think, and this is going to scare a lot of people, and this is another one where there’s going to be folks on both sides of the aisle that are just like, yeah, no, I’m not going there. I can’t do this. It just goes against my grain to actually do that. And that’s some of the personal robotics that I think you’re going to see. You know, you asked me a moment ago, what’s it going to look like 20 years from now looking back in time on the car world? Well, you could say the same thing. Go 20 years ahead and look back now to where at some point in time, are we 3, 5, 10 years away? I don’t think it’s even that far. I think we’re within… three to five years away from being able to relatively decent cost buy a home assistant that will run around and do whatever you need done at home as a quote-unquote robot. Fix your dinner, make your bed, water your lawn, do some of those things. Yeah, basically the Jetsons. Yeah, basically have that robotic assistant that will be around the house to be that helper, which for a lot of folks, and some would say, whoa, why would you ever want that? Well, folks, let me just start with this. This is the first place, because Elon’s smart. The first place Elon will attack are those that need full care from somebody else, where somebody’s even paying for somebody to be there to administer care for somebody. They need help getting up. They need help going to the bathroom. They need help cooking. He’ll target some of these home health care things, whereby he’ll probably even have a whole division of home health care assistants, whereby these companies that are looking for regular warm bodies, Andy, won’t need to because they’ll have a machine. They can go spend $40,000. Instead of giving somebody a… 70 or 80 grand a year salary, even a 50 grand a year salary, they’ll go buy a 40 grand robot.
SPEAKER 07 :
Yeah. And then you’ll still have people, but you’ll have one person over many households. Correct. And they’re touching base. They’re making sure they’re doing fine. Correct. They’re coming in. Correct. But they have a machine that basically takes care of most of their needs.
SPEAKER 14 :
You look at the aging society.
SPEAKER 07 :
Right.
SPEAKER 14 :
And this is where, believe me, this is where Elon, I’m going to make this prediction. Tesla will be the stepping stone in some of the money funding and technology funding arm to do what I’m talking about, which will far surpass all of what’s happening in the automotive world. Because when it gets to the point where you’ve got roughly 200 million households in the country and the age of those households are getting larger and larger and you end up with millions of people at some point that need that extra assistance, Andy, it’s a huge market.
SPEAKER 07 :
Yeah, John, I’m okay with taking care of the elderly. I think that’s wonderful. The thing that just repulses me a bit is Americans getting even lazier. Oh, they will. That’ll happen too. I know, but John, you know, we’ve talked about this. It drives me nuts already going to Sam’s Club and seeing everybody with their kids in their cart. Yeah. You know, and I always wonder what aisle are those? Where do you… But it’s just like… You know, what, kids can’t walk anymore or they’re going to run rampant? Does anybody keep their kids in line anymore? I mean, when you were a kid – Actually, there’s a shift in that.
SPEAKER 14 :
That’s a whole other conversation. But, yeah, there’s been a shift in that. The gentle parenting is over.
SPEAKER 07 :
Well, I’m getting sick of it, okay? Yeah, it’s awful. And this idea of having something make – look, I get it. Let’s say you’re one of these corporate guys and you’re putting in the 78-hour weeks, and I get it, and this thing is preparing your dinner and taking care of – I get that – All for it, you bet, if you were one of these people who’s a workaholic anyway. But in a land of people where kids have basically chat, write their texts, their papers, okay, I’m getting a little tired of people not doing anything for themselves.
SPEAKER 14 :
If you don’t get used to it, it’s going to get worse. I know. Not better. It’s WALL-E, and Charlie just said WALL-E.
SPEAKER 07 :
Yeah, yeah. Well, what I mean is this. I have no problem with any of that. I have no problem with AI doing a million things for us if we find other things to do then.
SPEAKER 14 :
That’ll be the question.
SPEAKER 07 :
I don’t like how lazy people are getting with this stuff.
SPEAKER 14 :
It’ll get lazier. That, Andy, because human nature is to be as lazy as possible. Sorry, for most people, that’s the deal.
SPEAKER 07 :
I’m a workaholic.
SPEAKER 14 :
I’m sorry to say that. Yeah, I am too.
SPEAKER 07 :
I can never sit still.
SPEAKER 14 :
Unfortunately, not everybody is like that. We’re like the one percenters because 99% of the world is not that way. And to your point, that will get worse. But where I was going with this is I don’t worry too much about Tesla and the car thing and so on. I mean, he’ll keep that going. It’s still going to be an arm. He’ll still make money with it. There’s going to be people that want to drive those cars and so on for the technology side and so on and all of that. Now, with all that being said, though. What he’s going to end up doing in regards to SpaceX, the taxi thing that Andy was talking about a moment ago, we then throw in the personal robot into that as to what that will end up doing. And he’s talking about getting these things down to where, depending upon what it does and its quote-unquote accessories, will be somewhere between $20,000 and $40,000. And some of these people that are hiring out to have certain things done, house cleaners, babysitters, so on and so forth— People are spending far more money than that over the course of a couple of years, or if you could end up buying or leasing a robot that’ll do that for Andy a fraction of the price, he’ll sell millions of these things.
SPEAKER 07 :
No, I agree, and I think that’s good.
SPEAKER 14 :
Millions of them. And some of you out there listening to me are thinking, oh, John, no, you’re predicting something that none of us want to see. Folks, it’s coming. It’s coming. You can not like it all you want. It’s coming. It is what it is. You’re not going to stop it.
SPEAKER 07 :
Yeah, I mean, if it’s going to make dinner for your family, okay, that’s – and then you see that mom instead is downstairs on the treadmill and, you know, doing things because she never has time. I think that’s awesome. I do too. You know, loosen up your schedule. You can do these things. Or here’s a crazy thought. You spend more time with your kids.
SPEAKER 14 :
You go outside, play, play ball, do whatever you want to do. I mean, there’s all sorts of things you could do collectively as a family if you didn’t have to do, quote, unquote, house chores.
SPEAKER 07 :
Yeah, I guess I don’t look at the technology as a bad thing. I never have. That’s how it’s used. I look at Americans as a bad thing. I just think we can get lazy.
SPEAKER 14 :
Can? We are. We’re already there, Andy. We’re lazy.
SPEAKER 07 :
Yeah.
SPEAKER 14 :
We’re already there. We are lazy.
SPEAKER 07 :
I’m sorry, but the whole, you know, when I go to Sam’s and you go to Costco, these people trucking around their kids in their carts, it’s like you’ve got to be kidding me. When I was a kid, I didn’t run wild at the store.
SPEAKER 14 :
No, you couldn’t. You weren’t allowed to.
SPEAKER 07 :
Right. I wasn’t allowed. It wasn’t expected.
SPEAKER 14 :
Well, like I said, that is changed.
SPEAKER 07 :
You didn’t have to put me in a cage.
SPEAKER 14 :
I had an article on that a couple of weeks ago where we talked about that very thing. And the gentle parenting is on its way out. People are going back to the way a lot of Gen Xers were raised, whereby you had to toe the line like Andy’s talking about and the way I was raised. So it’s converting back to that. The whole gentle parenting thing, people have figured out, yeah, that’s not working out so well because these kids, even when they get older, have no direction. They have had no failure. They have no idea how life works whatsoever.
SPEAKER 07 :
You keep bubble wrapping your kid, and then eventually they’ve got to go out into a world that’s not bubble wrapped.
SPEAKER 14 :
Where you can’t go to the job interview, Mom. That’s right. Because right now they do. They try to in some cases.
SPEAKER 07 :
Oh, my. No, no, no. Oh, yes, they do. No, no. If somebody’s mom comes with them.
SPEAKER 14 :
That’s an automatic no.
SPEAKER 07 :
We used to see that sometimes when I was in the theaters, but that’s because I was in Kansas City, and the laws are such that 14 and 15-year-olds. Well, that’s different.
SPEAKER 14 :
They were dropping them off, but not in the interview, right? Right.
SPEAKER 07 :
Yeah, well, we would even let them come in if they wanted. Hang out? No, because we’d want to talk to the kid alone because the kid wants to have a little time alone. We wanted them to have their time away from the parents. We wanted to meet the parents, too.
SPEAKER 14 :
It was just a lot of fun, actually. That’s different. They’re 14, and you probably need a little parental. Right. What are we dealing with here at the end of the day? I get that.
SPEAKER 07 :
Right, but I’m, you know, the guy is 30.
SPEAKER 14 :
If he’s 19 and he’s bringing his mom in, that’s a no-go.
SPEAKER 07 :
The guy’s 32 and mother.
SPEAKER 14 :
Hey, mom, come in here with me.
SPEAKER 07 :
Mother, I believe I would be very happy here. What do you think?
SPEAKER 14 :
My son does a great job. You’d want to hire him. Yeah, that’s a no-go.
SPEAKER 07 :
And he’s so handsome.
SPEAKER 14 :
Just a little tip. As an employer, for all of you that think bringing the mom or dad along with you to the job app, yeah, not a good idea. No. Even if they’re going to drop you off, they should be like driving around the corner and you can call them when you’re done sort of a thing. But no one wants to know that you’re being dropped off by mom or dad.
SPEAKER 07 :
No, I don’t think so.
SPEAKER 14 :
I mean, you took a bus, you walked, you did something, but no, mom or dad didn’t drop me off.
SPEAKER 07 :
Right.
SPEAKER 14 :
That’s the last thing you want. I’ve had examples from some of my coaching clients where literally mom or dad want to join in on the interview, Andy. I’m not joking.
SPEAKER 1 :
Wow.
SPEAKER 14 :
That’s happening today as we speak.
SPEAKER 07 :
Yeah, we’re not hiring mom and dad.
SPEAKER 14 :
Mom and dad somehow think they need to be a part of Junior’s interview.
SPEAKER 07 :
John, where does that come from? Why would a parent feel that?
SPEAKER 14 :
Helicopter parents. They have been involved in that kid’s life for so long, and they’ve turned into from helicopter to snowplow parents where they’re literally trying to push every obstacle out of that kid’s way.
SPEAKER 07 :
You know what, though? I’m going to put part of the blame not on the parent, but on surrounding society that looks at the parent. And especially, I’m going to say this, in the church. A lot of times people in the church are going to judge the living daylights out of you if your kid turns out wrong in any way, shape, or form. And so you’ve got these church parents who are trying to micromanage how their kids are raised.
SPEAKER 14 :
Deify the kid.
SPEAKER 07 :
Yeah, so I’ve got to make sure my kid never does anything wrong.
SPEAKER 14 :
Was that the right word? They’re trying to deify the kid?
SPEAKER 07 :
Well, in a way, yeah. Turn him into a little god. You have to be as perfect as Jesus. Exactly. Because you’ll humiliate me.
SPEAKER 14 :
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SPEAKER 07 :
And welcome back to Rush to Reason, Denver’s Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560. John, I want to talk a little bit about driving fast or slow.
SPEAKER 14 :
Absolutely. Let’s do it. You know my feelings on this.
SPEAKER 07 :
Yeah, because I’ve asked you once before, and let’s do it again. John, who causes more accidents, fast drivers or slow?
SPEAKER 14 :
Slow drivers. Get out of the way, people.
SPEAKER 07 :
Yeah, absolutely.
SPEAKER 14 :
Get out of the way.
SPEAKER 07 :
They didn’t have the study here. They have the source. It’s from the Institute of Transportation Engineers, RMD Law.
SPEAKER 14 :
I’ve talked about this before.
SPEAKER 07 :
Yeah. Okay. Well, anyway, the post is, studies show that if you are going 10 miles an hour slower than surrounding traffic, you are six times more likely to crash. Slower drivers pose bigger threat than speeders on busy roads. Okay. Okay. Now, I just want to read their little synopsis here because it’s very good. It goes, and it’s from Music Factory. Most people worry about speedsters, okay, but research shows the real danger might come from the slowest drivers on the road. Studies reveal that going just 10 miles per hour under the flow of traffic, that’s really important, the flow of traffic, makes a driver up to six times more likely to cause an accident. While speeding often makes headlines, driving too slowly, especially on highways, can be just as risky. It disrupts the natural rhythm of traffic, forcing others to brake hard, swerve, or attempt risky overtakes. The problem is in caution itself. It’s the speed gap. On fast-moving roads, well-intentioned drivers who play it safe by going under the speed limit often become unexpected obstacles. Road safety isn’t only about avoiding speed. It’s about keeping pace with the flow and driving predictably. So the next time you’re behind the wheel, remember, being safe isn’t always about going slower. It’s about moving with the road.
SPEAKER 14 :
Right.
SPEAKER 07 :
Once again, that comes from the Institute of Transportation Engineers.
SPEAKER 14 :
I’ve done some talking on this in the past. I just rechecked some of my statistics on this. This is where it gets a little bit weird. When you look up this in either AI or just go Google it, you’ll find that There are sources that will tell you that, oh, no, no, it’s definitely speeders that cause the most fatalities. By the way, key word there. Now, keep in mind, these are speeders when they have a fatality that are typically doing 30, 40, 50 miles or more over the posted speed limit. We’re not talking about people that are driving 10 over. We’re talking about people that are in excess speed that then crash, roll over. Yes, those are where those fatalities are coming from. I would like to see a study whereby they take that driver that is actually speeding, but they’re in that 5 to 10 over range. So if it’s 75, they’re doing 80. If it’s 65, they’re doing 75.
SPEAKER 07 :
Let’s make it 10.
SPEAKER 14 :
So 10 over. 65, they’re doing 75. If it’s 55, they’re doing 65. I would love to see a study done on that to determine who really causes more crashes, those folks that are driving 10 over or those that are driving 10 under. I will tell you that all day long, it’s that person doing 10 under that’s causing more problems.
SPEAKER 07 :
Oh, absolutely. I don’t think it’s close. Because I see it. And they say right here, six times more likely. Look, people who drive 30 or 40 miles over the speed limit are reckless.
SPEAKER 14 :
Yeah, that is careless driving at that point.
SPEAKER 07 :
But people who drive 10 miles over, honestly, John, are usually… This is going to sound bad. Am I going to get us hated here? But are you ready for the hate? They seem like smarter people.
SPEAKER 14 :
They’re usually better drivers.
SPEAKER 07 :
They’re sharper.
SPEAKER 14 :
Usually.
SPEAKER 07 :
They’re more alert. They’re more aware. Usually. They know exactly what they’re doing.
SPEAKER 14 :
That’s true. I won’t argue that, Andy. I think you’re right on that.
SPEAKER 07 :
Yeah. They’re not afraid of the speed of the road.
SPEAKER 14 :
And again, that’s not all, but I think that’s a pretty good subjective statement for those particular people.
SPEAKER 07 :
Right. I agree with that. I’m generalizing here. and people who drive much slower are generally people who are shall we say not alert not in fact you look at a lot of them and you’re just kind of like you shouldn’t be out here you’re afraid of the road because you’re afraid of your own limitations you don’t have good hand-eye coordination you you’re just not up to this you are a danger in yourself my feeling on those types of
SPEAKER 14 :
I wish that they would be in one of Elon’s cars. Yeah. Those are the type of drivers, Andy, where I just feel like if that’s going to be you and you even feel like you’re not capable of even staying in the far right lane. In other words, you feel like, listen, I don’t think I can drive up north on I-25 since it’s 80 to 85 miles an hour. I just had a texter say he was just recently within the last two hours on northern Colorado I-25 doing 92 to keep up with the flow of traffic. Right. and yet had a Raptor behind him that wanted to get around, meaning he probably wanted to drive 100. Now, 100 is too fast, by the way. That is an excess speed, shouldn’t be doing that. But in that particular case, if that road is traveling at 80 to 90 miles an hour and you want to get up there and drive 60, you’re now a hazard. Get off the road.
SPEAKER 07 :
Right.
SPEAKER 14 :
If you and everyone around you is doing 80…
SPEAKER 07 :
guess what? Relative to each other, you’re all doing zero. And it’s very easy. The only concern, of course, with higher speeds is what happens if an elk or something… Yeah, stopping. Yeah, your ability to swerve and stop, obviously. But that’s why you only have those high speed limits in places where you have wide open vision.
SPEAKER 14 :
And I want to throw something at you because this is something else that you rarely hear from the quote-unquote safety Nazis.
SPEAKER 07 :
Okay.
SPEAKER 14 :
Because they’ll be the first ones to say, well, yeah, but the faster you go, then you still got to stop. Yeah, well, guess what? Modern vehicles, modern braking, the tires that we have today, the composite of the brake pads and so on. I mean, what I’m getting at is cars stop so much better today than they even did 20 years ago that there’s hardly a comparison. I’d have to go look at different vehicles and see what the actual reduced stopping distance is.
SPEAKER 07 :
They’re much better, John.
SPEAKER 14 :
They’re so much better today with anti-lock brakes and everything else that we have. The tires are good, too. The reality is. Those safety Nazis, when they say things like that, those are people that just want to make sure you drive 20 under the speed limit because they don’t like anybody traveling, period. They’re speed Nazis. Well, and these are the people that not only are they speed Nazis, Andy, these are people that I firmly believe don’t want you traveling at all. They would just take every car off the road. Those are the people that you’re talking to in that scenario.
SPEAKER 07 :
Yeah, I mean, and they’re the ones who drive slow in the left lane. Why? Because they want to hold people back. They are the left lane Nazi. They’re the ones who freak out when you pass them.
SPEAKER 14 :
That’s right. They are the left lane police.
SPEAKER 07 :
Right. And let me take another shot at this also. We also have to keep in mind the speed limit, just because there’s a speed limit, and yes, you have to obey. You have to at least come close to it or you’re going to get a ticket. I don’t want people to get tickets out there. But let’s just be honest with me and you, John. They’re too low in a lot of places. Why? Because government wants to make money. They want sure money. If we are behind on the budget, we know we can raise it really quick by having a bunch of places around our town, be it Parker, be it Denver, be it wherever, where the speed limit is artificially low, where you could easily go much faster. There’s a place.
SPEAKER 14 :
I think they do that purposely.
SPEAKER 07 :
Oh, they absolutely. The last ticket I got, which was, I don’t know, around four years ago. And there’s a back road coming from Parker up to Aurora.
SPEAKER 14 :
Okay.
SPEAKER 07 :
And I didn’t see this because I was coming around, and I forget why, but the weather or whatever. But it’s set at 35 miles an hour. You could easily go 60 there. There’s virtually no houses along there, and they could easily set the speed limit. You would expect it to be 45 to 50, okay? They set it at 35, and then they camp out a cop. And the cop makes a bunch of money for the city, and this is how they make up their shortfall.
SPEAKER 14 :
That’s right.
SPEAKER 07 :
Okay, so for a lot of you speed Nazis out there who point at the speed limit sign, I want you to understand you’re pointing at a sign that has been set in many cases to raise revenue.
SPEAKER 14 :
Yep, it’s arbitrary based upon revenue.
SPEAKER 07 :
Yeah, now we’re talking about safety. Okay, we’re talking about safety here. Those people going 10 miles over are almost all much more alert, sharper drivers. Those people going 10 miles under are generally from two groups, either people who have very slow hand eye and are afraid out there or illegals.
SPEAKER 14 :
Yeah. And for those of you that don’t understand the illegal part of it, and I’ve known this for years, I’ve had different officers even throughout different police departments that I’ve talked to about this. And typically, which is so stupid, because all the cops know this. Typically, they drive under so that they… bring less attention and they don’t get any tickets and things along those lines because they’re worried about deported. What they don’t know is that really at the end of the day, the last thing that cop is going to mess with is deporting them because they got so many other things to do that that’s the least of their worries. Now, that doesn’t mean that that person here illegally doesn’t know that. The reality is they think if they get pulled over, they might get deported. So let’s just go slower to make sure that we don’t have any issues. And at the end of the day, all is good. Well, it’s not because typically those are the people that are blocking traffic. The other thing that drives me crazy, since we’re on this topic. Because it’s the illegals that do this, by the way. Some maybe are legal, but mostly it’s illegals. And most of them come from down south because this happens south of the border. Anytime there’s anything at all going on around them where they feel like something might be hazardous. In other words, traffic has slowed down. There’s a pothole. It’s raining. It’s snowing. Hazards are on. They use hazards south of the border like it’s no tomorrow. I’ve seen this. They actually drive with their finger on the button waiting for something to happen so they can push the hazards. Andy, this is not a joke. I drive so many different cars, as you know. that there are times where I actually need to use them, and I can’t find the dang button. I’m like, okay, where is this bloody thing? I know it’s a triangle somewhere. Where did they hide it? Because I don’t know where it’s at. So for me, half the time, I don’t even know where the dang button is because I never use it. Because unless it’s a real hazard, you don’t use it. Right. They use it every day as basically a turn signal, if you would.
SPEAKER 07 :
Yeah.
SPEAKER 14 :
It’s ridiculous. And that is not the way we drive here. It’s annoying as all heck.
SPEAKER 07 :
Well, they also use horns at very different times. True. You ever go to Grenada? I went there once.
SPEAKER 14 :
It’s been a long time, yes.
SPEAKER 07 :
I went there once. People, they use their horn to basically express themselves on the road. It was unreal. Horn, horn, horn, horn, horn.
SPEAKER 14 :
I’ve seen people where you’re going around a corner, they honk the horn thinking somebody might be coming dead at them. It’s like, no, we’re in America. People stay in their lane. It’s not a problem.
SPEAKER 07 :
Yeah, stay in your lane.
SPEAKER 14 :
You don’t need to honk the horn going around a corner. You’ll be fine. Yeah. Here’s the problem we’ve got, and we’ll kind of close this segment out with this.
SPEAKER 07 :
Okay, go ahead.
SPEAKER 14 :
We’ve got so many people that have come, especially this Denver area, from all over. It literally is a melting pot. Unfortunately, it’s become a melting pot of bad drivers. And I mean that in all seriousness, folks. I’m not trying to beat anybody up. But we have some of the worst drivers in our area because of this melting pot scenario. They’ve come from all over the world, not just south of the border. They’re from Russia. They’re from all over. We have got people literally that have moved here from everywhere. And the reality is the majority of them, I’m just being straight up honest, they cannot drive.
SPEAKER 07 :
No, they can’t. And before we go to break, or shall I wait till after?
SPEAKER 14 :
No, go ahead.
SPEAKER 07 :
Okay, really quick. Here’s another one, and I’ve talked about it before. When you are going into an intersection and you’re in the left turn lane, right, and there’s traffic coming at you from the other way, You can go out into the intersection and wait to turn. That’s your lane. You don’t have to wait all the way back at the line.
SPEAKER 14 :
Technically, that’s illegal, but you can do it.
SPEAKER 07 :
No, it isn’t. It’s not illegal at all.
SPEAKER 14 :
I’ve had that conversation with Kevin. Yes, it is.
SPEAKER 07 :
I’ve had that conversation with cops, and they said it wasn’t. So I guess they disagree with him.
SPEAKER 14 :
Yeah. I mean, here’s the thing. You’ll rarely ever get pulled over, but here’s the deal.
SPEAKER 07 :
I’ve done it with cops right there in the lane next to me.
SPEAKER 14 :
They’ll normally do it with you, so it’s normally not a big deal. In my opinion, that’s the correct way to do things. Here’s the problem. If you ever have an accident, you’re going to be at fault.
SPEAKER 07 :
I don’t know how I would. I’m sitting still.
SPEAKER 14 :
If you pull in, if somebody even comes in through a yellow light and you happen to be turning, you’re going to be the one in trouble.
SPEAKER 07 :
Well, I should be. I’m turning into them. I have to wait until anybody clears traffic.
SPEAKER 14 :
Correct.
SPEAKER 07 :
I’ve got to wait until it’s clear to move.
SPEAKER 14 :
Well, this is where just being a smart driver helps, but most can’t do that, Andy.
SPEAKER 07 :
Yeah, I have never heard that. In fact, I was told when I got my driver’s license. Next time I have Kevin on, I’ll specifically ask him that. Of course, this is in Wisconsin. I don’t know. Maybe it’s different. But in Wisconsin, they said flat out, that is part of your lane. Okay, maybe it’s different. I don’t know.
SPEAKER 14 :
I’ll ask him again.
SPEAKER 07 :
Okay, bottom line.
SPEAKER 14 :
Either way.
SPEAKER 07 :
Okay, bottom line. Getting back to the slow drivers and we’ll go to break. One big problem is too many of them are in the left lane and center lane. It’s like, for the love of Pete, folks.
SPEAKER 14 :
Them and the dang 18-wheelers in the left lane drive me crazy. I don’t care if you’re in a box truck. Get out of the dang left lane. Why are you there?
SPEAKER 07 :
That is not your lane. They are there because they’re speed Nazis. They want to hold other people back. They enjoy this. They get a thrill off it.
SPEAKER 14 :
I think it’s two things, Andy.
SPEAKER 07 :
Okay.
SPEAKER 14 :
One of the semi-drivers in the box trucks and so on, they’re not the speed Nazis. They’re ignorant. They don’t know our laws. They’ve come here from another country. They got commercial driver’s licenses somehow, and the reality is they don’t understand what that left lane is for. They think they can use every single lane. They don’t know, and nobody’s ever taught them, you should stay out of this lane. That makes sense. And here’s the reality. Even if you’re keeping up with traffic, you’re an 18-wheeler. You shouldn’t be. The reality is, get in the other lanes, and I’ve got truck drivers that argue with me on this all day long, and I’m going to stand my ground. If you’re having to drive 80 miles an hour to keep up with traffic in the left lane, anywhere, especially in town, and you’re driving a semi, you’re driving too fast. You should not be in that lane, period. If your excuse is, well, I can keep up with traffic, I don’t care. Get out of the left lane. You’re in the way. Move. Get out of there. I agree. You are wrong for being in the left lane if you’re a truck driver, period. Period. I don’t care if you’re hauling a flatbed trailer and there’s nothing on it. And you’re a construction guy. Get out of the left lane. Period. You shouldn’t be there in the first place. I don’t like laws. You know that. I’m not a big legislative guy, but we should pass a law where there’s no trucks and trailers allowed in the left lane, period. That’s just my feeling, but it’ll never happen. By the way, there are states that have that law where you cannot be a semi in the left lane. Really? I did not know that. There’s a lot of states that actually have that law. Unless you’re passing or there’s something you need to move around, you are not allowed in the left lane. Oh, yes, there’s quite a few states. I wish, again, I don’t like legislative things at all, but on that one, I would be for it because these guys drive me crazy. They park in the dang left lane. It’ll be rush hour traffic. They’ll be in the left lane, and there’s 30 car lengths in front of them. Nothing is more irritating, Andy, knowing that there’s that much gap, meaning they’re clogging traffic at that point.
SPEAKER 07 :
Okay, when we get back, I have a question on something I think would be popular in Denver.
SPEAKER 14 :
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SPEAKER 06 :
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SPEAKER 06 :
What do you think people’s main fear is when they come to see you and how do you help to quell that with them?
SPEAKER 10 :
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SPEAKER 06 :
We love that relational aspect and we love Al Smith from Golden Eagle Financial. Al, why don’t you tell folks how to get in touch with you for that meeting?
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SPEAKER 06 :
Excellent, Al. Thanks for joining us. Of course, you can find Al on klzradio.com slash money. Al, thank you so much. Well, thank you, TJ.
SPEAKER 09 :
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SPEAKER 14 :
All right, we are back. Rush to Reason, Denver’s Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560. Several text messages coming in along these lines.
SPEAKER 07 :
Let’s hear some.
SPEAKER 14 :
So far, all of them are spot on with us. One of them said, you know what? We aren’t from your area, but we were there last weekend. And, man, we sure saw a lot of diversity on the roads. Good way of putting it, by the way. A lot of diversity on the road. Good way of putting it.
SPEAKER 07 :
Now, what do they mean? In speed or diversity?
SPEAKER 14 :
I think in drivers. Okay, got it. They are following right along with what we’re talking about. So, yeah, you are spot on with that comment. Absolutely.
SPEAKER 07 :
That’s kind of funny. Okay, I want to ask you something.
SPEAKER 14 :
Well, before you do that.
SPEAKER 07 :
No, go ahead. Read some of these.
SPEAKER 14 :
Because this is the other thing that I think Andy and I both do. Ask my wife. I want to get from A to B as quickly as I can. I’m one of those guys where I am not going to dink around. I’m getting there. I’m not going to drive like a maniac and drive 100 miles an hour in a 55-mile-an-hour zone. But I’m driving. I’m going to be in the left lane, and I’m driving.
SPEAKER 07 :
Get out of the way. You and I have one thing very much in common, and we knew this right away. We are efficiency nuts. We like things very efficient. I don’t want to waste a ton of time on the road. That doesn’t mean I want to go blazing around people.
SPEAKER 14 :
Now, on the same token, there are days where, you know what, I’ve got a little extra time. Yeah. I’m kind of kicking back. I don’t have to be anywhere at a particular time. You know what? If that’s the case and I’m not zooming along in the left lane, I’ll be over in the right hand lane, just kind of hanging out, enjoying myself and not worrying about it. And I will do both at times, depending upon what’s going on, Andy. The point is, I don’t do that in the left lane.
SPEAKER 07 :
No, no, no, no, no. If I’m feeling rather casual that day, just I’m not in a hurry. I’m enjoying the day. It’s a beautiful. And there are days like this for me where, man, it’s a gorgeous day. I’m just going to hang out here.
SPEAKER 14 :
For me, you’re that way. So Saturday mornings, I’m on my way here.
SPEAKER 07 :
Okay.
SPEAKER 14 :
And typically there’s not a ton of traffic. And yes, I could get in the left lane and just zoom down here and be here in no time flat. But you know what? It’s kind of a day where it’s, you know, I leave a little early and it’s sort of relaxing and I’m enjoying myself and I listen to books in the car and all of that, and I’ll just get in the middle or the right lane, and I just kind of toodle down at whatever the regular speed limit is, and off I go, Andy. Now, at night on my way home, yeah, I want to get home. I’m hungry. I want to get home. My day’s over, and I’m not dinking around. So you know what? I know it’s rush hour traffic and all that, but I am on my way home. I am not dinking around.
SPEAKER 07 :
Right. Yeah, I agree. That’s how I feel. I mean, I used to, as you know, work in the casinos. It’s a beautiful drive going up there. Now, if you’re running behind, that’s a different story. But if you’re in good time, no problems. And I’m driving up to the casinos. It’s beautiful up there. You know, I’m kind of going rather casual. And guess what? I’d be in the right lane. I don’t want to hold anybody else back. But that’s just it, John. We care about others. I don’t want to hold other people back.
SPEAKER 14 :
You’re considered a driver.
SPEAKER 07 :
Exactly. I don’t want to do that. I agree. Really quick here. You’re fine. Take your time. Political issue. Political issue. Downtown. Yes. I believe that if any politician, Democrat or Republican, came along and said, I want to convert a lot… of the city’s bike lanes back into car lanes i believe they would get a ton of votes and i would just say this guys it’s nothing anti-bike but we have tons of sidewalks and we have tons of bike lanes already in place we’ve made too many bike lanes Our car lanes are being constricted and it goes on one simple word usage. Okay. I want to simply measure how many cars versus how many bikes are using this lane. I want us to do with aerial photography or we can do it. You don’t just set up a camera, right? And just watch how many cars are being used in each one of these stretches, especially along Broadway where they took away a lane and now things are just jammed up. And they’re doing it downtown as well. I believe if somebody came along and said, look, you know what? We’ve gone bike nuts. We’re pro bike. Love bikes. But guys, we have super wide sidewalks. We have bike lanes already. It is time to put some lanes back to the cars. A bunch of them.
SPEAKER 14 :
I think, Andy, that has really solid traction when it comes to the political sides of things that you’re talking about. And I think those of you that are out there listening that may be actually running for office or have I am now running, you know, those of you that are in that particular end of things. I would think highly about what Andy’s saying, because that resonates with everyone, Andy.
SPEAKER 07 :
Yeah.
SPEAKER 14 :
Not just one side of the aisle or the other.
SPEAKER 07 :
Right. And I would just be saying, look, I want to look at all of these roads in our area. I don’t know if you’re in Jeffco, if you’re in Littleton, if you’re downtown, wherever, and just say Boulder, you know, and just say where we can, we need to start converting some of these back to car lanes. We can open up, you know, sidewalks, do whatever we can.
SPEAKER 14 :
Yep.
SPEAKER 07 :
But we can do this.
SPEAKER 14 :
Andy?
SPEAKER 07 :
I think it’d be popular, very popular. In other words, I’m going to add a lane. And that’s what I’d call it, add a lane.
SPEAKER 14 :
I think between that, I’m going to add a lane and fix your roads. So in other words, there’s places around the state also whereby we spent so much money on stupid things, there’s no money left over to even fill potholes and take care of, especially in the rural areas. Utah, and I get it, there’s not a lot of votes in rural areas, so it’s not a big deal. But you know what? Those people matter. And our roads in the city aren’t much better at times than the rural America roads are. We should be focusing on both. And there’s no reason we’re spending money on some of the things we do. We should be spending it on that.
SPEAKER 07 :
Well, let me tell you something. You fix their roads out in those rural areas. You know what they like to do? They like to write checks. and donate to politicians.
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SPEAKER 15 :
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SPEAKER 14 :
All right, we are back. Myself, Andy, and Charlie, we’ve got a minute left here before we end this hour. We’ve got a full hour coming your way right after this as well, and we’ll probably shift gears, get off of the driving topic. All this has been a great hour because these things, I’ve got several text messages from a lot of you agreeing wholeheartedly with everything we’re saying, including the bike lane change and so on, Andy, that you talked about a moment ago. So many drivers are frustrated by the fact that There just isn’t enough ability to go from A to B. And remember, folks, that’s the Marxist way. They want you to get frustrated. They want you to stop driving. They don’t want you in your vehicle. They don’t want you having that freedom. The reality is they would just assume you not own anything, by the way. We started the first hour with EVs, Andy. Really, when it comes down to it, they don’t want you driving a thing.
SPEAKER 07 :
Yeah, and for these people who say there aren’t enough bike lanes, let me tell you something really quick. I used to work at Colfax and Downing. I lived in Lakewood. I rode my bike to and from work. And this was long decades before they created all the new bike lanes. You can do it.
SPEAKER 14 :
Always a way to do it. Again, we’ve got another hour coming your way. Don’t go anywhere. Myself, Andy, and Charlie, Rush to Reason, Denver’s Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560.
SPEAKER 1 :
Thank you. I’m a rich guy
