In this thought-provoking episode, Host John Rush is joined by Dr. Kelly Victory and Steve House to discuss current health and wellness issues facing today’s society. This dynamic dialogue covers various important topics, such as the complex interplay of hormonal therapies in transitioning individuals and the ongoing debates surrounding mental health treatments. The episode thoughtfully navigates how cultural shifts have reshaped perceptions of masculinity and femininity, prompting a discussion on the broader implications for young people’s development. Exploring the implications of these societal changes, our guests highlight the role of lifestyle modifications, including physical exercises like walking, that impact
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And welcome. This is a special edition of Health and Wellness Wednesday on this Wednesday because we have Dr. Kelly Victory with us and Steve House, which normally are with us on Thursdays, but we changed things up this week given the holiday coming up. So, Dr. Kelly, welcome. How are you?
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Thank you for having me on a Wednesday is as good as a Thursday. Yes, it is.
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Yes, it is. Steve House, the same. Welcome. Thank you for joining us.
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I like the variation in the lead-in, John. We should do Tuesday. What do you guys actually say on Tuesday?
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I think you should, every once in a while when Kelly’s on, you should pull out that part in the everyday one that we listen to where it says, You haven’t made them different. You’ve made them the same. It sounds like her voice, man. When I hear that, I’m like, oh, Kelly did this lead-in for John.
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Very appropriate, too, by the way. Very appropriate. So, again, Dr. Kelly Victory with us. For those of you that are used to listening to us on Thursdays during that hour, we’ve changed it up. So today during health and wellness, it’s Dr. Kelly Victory and Steve House today instead of Thursday. Now, for those of you that normally listen on Wednesdays and maybe don’t have a chance to listen on Thursdays, Normally I have different guests that we do through this health and wellness hour, but today it is Dr. Kelly, as I said, and Steve House. So if you want to know more about Dr. Kelly, just go to our website, RushToReason.com. You can look there. There’s an entire page dedicated to Dr. Kelly. We’ve been doing the first hour on Thursdays for over five years now. Steve House was the one that was instrumental in getting all of that done. Now, before we get going today. Guys, and I am not excited about this because it’s never fun to talk about any kind of a shooting and not necessarily health and wellness related, but it is top of the news today. And the more we learn about this particular individual that did this, this is where the wellness part comes in. Dr. Kelly, I’ll start with you. This was a very disturbed situation. young man that was a transitioning individual you know transgendered individual and still in my opinion a a a fella i guess you could say a boy i don’t know if you want to call him a man yet i know he was 19 but in my book given the actions of what he did i don’t know if i want to call him a man or not a coward probably would be a better way to say it dr kelly but a very disturbed individual And you just have to wonder, you know, how do – this is always a question I always have, and I think other people do as well. How do people get in this condition in the first place?
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Well, look, the data are very, very clear, John. We are seeing more and more heinous crimes, unfortunately, committed by these very confused transgender people. The reality is this. We know that study after study has shown it, that well more than 50% of transgender people are autistic, while some are on the autism spectrum. So they already are people who have neuropsycho dysfunction of some sort, and they’ve been taken advantage of by the system that allows them to go down this very dark path of transitioning their gender. On top of it, you point out something very important, which is that this individual was not even an adult at the time he transitioned. He petitioned for a legal change of name. from Robert to Robin at the age of 17. So he was well on his way to doing this, quote, transition to becoming a female when he was 17 years old, which if you haven’t noticed recently, 17-year-old boys are not mature. No, they’re not. They simply are not capable. And the reality is that regardless of what school of psychology you prescribe to, whether it’s Jung, Freud, Piaget, Skinner, whatever it is, they all agree on one thing, which is that the human brain is not fully mature until closer to the age of 26, maybe as late as 27 or 28 for males. So the idea that we have allowed these individuals to go down this route of, transitioning rather than giving what they need, which is mental health counseling. They don’t need to change their genders. They need mental health counseling, particularly when you factor in the statistic I gave that more than 50% of them are autistic.
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Wow. And Steve, I’m sure you read the news. And I, you know, for all of you listening, I had a lot going on today. I got bits and pieces of it. I did watch some of the things that were posted on X, portions of his videos that I don’t know exactly if those had been released prior, if they were time to release right now. But I can just tell you from the way this individual acted, the writings he had and other things, Steve, total wackadoodle. I don’t know how to say it, just total wackadoodle.
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Well, I mean, if you’re autistic, and Kelly’s statistics are the same ones I’ve seen, if you’re that way and then you have this challenging transition in your identity and your physical being going on in your brain, wackadoodle is probably just the brain can’t handle all that. I mean, I’m sure it can’t handle all that. I mean, there’s just too much stress. I mean, whether you’re an addict or some of these things have happened, I mean, there’s just this overwhelming feeling. I’m not feeling sorry for somebody who did what this person did, but at the same time, We need to identify when someone is in that potential state because they meet several criteria. And there’s no doubt that if he was autistic, that was probably known around the spectrum. And no doubt, you know, they obviously knew that he was attempting to transition. Those two things should be a sign that says we need to get him some extra help. We need to pay attention. We need to monitor maybe. I don’t know. But there’s no way this should continue to happen when those kind of things are known.
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And we are back. Rush to Reason, Denver’s Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560. Health and Wellness Wednesday, Dr. Kelly Victory and Steve House. Dr. Kelly, a question did come in, not to belabor the whole shooting thing, but I think this is very appropriate as it fits into health and wellness in general. And you and I, and I’ve had other guests, especially during this hour, talk about hormones and the effects of and so on. And the question that came in is, in this particular case with this transitioning individual, would hormones and the therapy of, could that have been a factor? Yeah.
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Well, all of it can certainly factor in because, you know, when you mess with somebody’s hormone levels, everybody knows that can cause emotional lability. There’s a reason why women, as they go through monthly cycles, you know, have periods of emotionality as their hormones fluctuate. Any one of you who have ever taken a course of steroids like prednisone for an allergic reaction, hives, a bee sting, something like that, You might have noticed that you feel great the first couple of days and then all of a sudden don’t feel so good, some emotional lability. So there’s no question that hormone replacement or hormone supplementation in this case may have contributed. It’s the entire, I think, you know, there’s a broad spectrum of things, including the underlying emotional and psychiatric dysfunction of this individual. There’s a mental health problem. there when somebody wants to transition genders. And rather than recognizing it for what it is, we’ve been, you know, the medical establishment has been far too fast to go along with this idea that, okay, you want to, you know, become a different gender? You know, here’s the program to do that, rather than saying, wait a minute, how about three or four or five years of intensive treatment mental health therapy and evaluation before you decide that the real problem is a gender issue. Again, this person was only 23 years old today at the time he took his own life. This started well before, as I said, he applied for a change of his name back when he was only 17. So this probably dates back for a good decade. And apparently this kid’s mother worked at the Catholic school. I’m not sure she did currently, but she did at some point. And so for whatever reason, this heinous crime was perpetrated on a group of absolutely innocent, defenseless children who had nothing to do with this kid’s mental health issues.
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Correct. Correct.
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It’s really tragic.
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Now, on a secondary note, for a lot of folks that are listening, because the hormonal end of things, to your point a moment ago, and this is really big and it is for our overall health and wellness, and one of the things we talked about the last couple of weeks with you was the new goals when it comes to getting out and getting your steps in and exercise and so on. I mean, in my question of the day yesterday, which applies right now, which I’ll go ahead and give everybody the answer to, is what could help you increase your lifespan even if you begin at an old age? And that is, of course, Dr. Kelly and Steve, exercise. So it’s never too late to start, I guess, is the answer there. But this whole hormonal end of things, and Dr. Kelly, you can speak to this as a medical physician, of course, is that we have learned as – as an industry, I guess you could say, we have learned a lot about that whole end of things to where even a decade ago, it isn’t as advanced as it is today. Or am I off on that? Did we know as much then as we do now? Are we continuing to learn on the whole, you know, what people need when it comes to supplements on hormones and things like that?
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Well, recently, very recently, they finally have acknowledged that the data, the studies that came out of the Women’s Health Initiative back from 1991 to 2000 were wrong. They were misinterpreted and it led an entire the last 25 years for women to not get hormone supplementation when they entered menopause because of the false belief that it increased the risk of breast cancer and of blood clots. So we are still learning about the importance of hormones. But I think you get back to a more important piece, which is the other lifestyle components. We don’t always need a medication, a supplement, a replacement to make us better. Simple things like walking can really help. Most of these kids who are autistic, and God knows we have an epidemic of it right now, are not particularly active. They are sitting in the basement on their cell phones, on their iPads, playing video games. They get sucked into this dark abyss of social media and video games and other things rather than getting outside playing. They’re not out playing kickball like I was at their age.
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True, true.
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And I will tell you, with regard to walking, I can be in an absolutely foul mood. I hike every single day. I can be in a foul mood. And I am hard-pressed to be in a bad mood by the time I finish my hike. It’s just really hard to get out and walk.
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briskly for an hour and a half and still be in a really bad mood you might not fix everything but it fixes a heck of a lot it does no and steve everything after kelly is spot on and while we learn more on the you know hormonal imbalance and things along those lines and yes there’s adjustments that can be made i you know i can’t stress enough to folks we talk about it a lot during this hour and with you guys on thursdays and that’s just the whole You know, to get your mental state where it needs to be, you can’t just sit and veg out all day long. And I think Dr. Kelly is 100 percent correct. A lot of kids today do exactly what I just said.
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They do, although I’m going to go a little further. I mean, I’ve written about aging and one of the things I’ve learned, and I’ve just recently had a conversation with a guy in the gym to confirm something I wrote about several years ago, which was. You know, the level of testosterone that young males have is fairly low. I mean, in fact, this was a guy that was 29 years of age, and he was having a hard time developing muscle. He was relatively fit. He just couldn’t grab muscle, and he felt bad about it, right? I mean, he clearly had… you know, some emotional reaction to the fact that as hard as he worked, he wasn’t getting where he wanted to go. And I said, have you been tested? And he said, yeah. And he said, my testosterone level was 400. And, you know, on a scale of, you know, what, 300 to 1200, you know, getting, having a 400 when you’re 29 years of age is bad and, And so then when you tie that to the fact that we use a lot of estrogen to make meat soft, like we grow these massive chickens and then we throw estrogen at them to soften the meat before we harvest them so that the chicken breast isn’t hard or whatever. We do that with a lot of things. The reduction in testosterone in men and the corresponding hormone changes in women, to me, are as critical a problem now. as we get from all the vaccines. I mean, so you can be autistic. You’re right. Walking would help, but it’d also be nice if your testosterone made you feel like you were strong and capable instead of weaker because you just don’t have it.
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Dr. Kelly, your comments on that.
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No, I think that’s absolutely right. And don’t, um, it’s not just meat, Steve, it’s milk. The amount of hormones, the amount of additional estrogen, uh, that people are getting through milk, um, is really problematic. So it drives down testosterone and drives up estrogen. They supplement these dairy cows with estrogen to make them improve the production of milk. It’s all an economic thing. But when you drink that milk, you are getting those additional hormones. And milk intake is certainly associated with a lot of negative medical issues, not the least of which are abundance of cancers, but also those additional hormones that you are taking in. So it’s in the meat, it’s in the dairy products, and then on top of it, you add in these sort of social pressure against this toxic masculinity, this idea that everyone should be a skinny jean wearing man buns are in, you know, having muscles or being strong or being masculine is frowned upon. So I think it’s not just a single thing. It’s all of these things together and the social media influence on top of it. Look at the role models in your average commercial right now. Look at the men who are portrayed on the average commercial. They are not what I grew up with. They aren’t the Marlboro man that I grew up with. These are not the John Wayne types. They’re very much more effeminate men. picture of the quote ideal man right now. And I think it’s really undermined many things in our society. And this is just one small facet of it.
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So the question is, and the question is, Kelly, I mean, I don’t know what the studies are on this, but let’s just say that you’ve got a 12 year old and you do actually test their testosterone and you do find it to be a third of what it should be. And, you know, they do have maybe some tendencies on the unempathetic, you know, lower EQ side. I mean, do you give them supplemental testosterone at 12?
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Right now, no, and I don’t think anybody would support doing that right now because we have simply not done the studies to show what are the side effects, and certainly over time. supplementing testosterone has its own downsides including you know aggressive behavior and those sorts of things so I’m not suggesting that we start supplementing all this I think it starts with simple changes on the really on the social side returning the idea of masculinity and femininity and Putting them in their proper places on the pedestal as something to be aspired to. That you should aspire to be feminine if you’re a woman or a girl. You should aspire to be masculine if you are a male. And get rid of this whole ideology that there’s gender fluidity, which is a made-up thing. I think you start with those things and you start looking at the food sources that are undermining sexuality. our natural hormone levels, I would start by, you know, if I had a boy, you know, I’ve said for a long time, look, and this is nothing against the dairy industry, but humans are the only mammal that continues to drink milk after it’s weaned.
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Right.
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That’s a fact.
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Right.
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Every other mammal, milk is intended to be a high nutrition, high fat, fast growth substance. Every other mammal gets weaned, some, you know, if a dog or a cat, at six or eight weeks of age. Other animals like, you know, the deer that I am watching eat my garden right now, they continue to nurse from mom for probably a good eight or nine months. And, you know, babies, human babies normally nurse, you know, if you’re lucky, they nurse up to 12 months. That’s it. The idea that we continue, particularly given the amount of hormones that are in the current dairy, I would not give my child milk after it was weaned.
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Okay, another question that came in along these lines, because I think there’s, to me, I’ve done a little bit of research on this, not that I’m an expert by any stretch of the imagination, but a lot of people will say, and I just got a text message on this, that soy contains estrogen. Well, not in that way it doesn’t. It can convert it, from what I understand, it can convert, your body can convert, some of what soy has in it into estrogen, but it’s not an exact soy has estrogens. I mean, I think you have to be careful when you say that, Dr. Kelly, because it’s not exactly that black and white. Now, does that mean that I feel like there’s a lot of quote unquote soy boys out there because they’ve had way too much of it? That I can’t answer, Dr. Kelly. I know that’s a term that’s used and I can’t verify that because I’m not you. So give us your thoughts on the whole soy end of things.
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Well, I think you’re right. I mean, soy does not have estrogen per se, but it has something that’s closer to a bio-identical form of it. It can be converted into it, and it acts similarly in the body, so much so that, for example, if somebody is trying to deplete their estrogen because of an estrogen-related cancer, for example, they really should avoid soy and those sorts of things. Whether or not that contributes again to the to the lower testosterone levels or the high estrogen levels in some of today’s males. I can’t say. I don’t think that study has been done. But I can say with certainty it is not a singular factor. I think it’s all of these things together that really that, you know, we have. Long father figures at home. Yeah, dad’s not there.
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Dad’s missing.
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Yeah, yeah. So I think it’s not a single factor. I think it’s all of these things. And it’s exacerbated by the reality, you know, everything from Disney movies to, you know, what you see in your average commercial. Good point. What’s portrayed as male is very, very different from the ideal male persona that was when I was growing up.
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Well said, Steve. You want to add anything to that? I can’t disagree with anything Kelly just said along those lines. That is, to me, part of this issue is, yes, I think we’ve got some food, which we’ll get into in a moment. I’ve got a couple more questions along those lines. The food intake thing, Steve, as you know, is a big deal. We talk about that on an ongoing basis, although the whole mental state and, you know, How boys are raised. I mean, I know my dad, even though he’s in memory care right now and, you know, is not doing great along those lines. But I will tell you that he still raised me and my brother both to be men’s men. I mean, at the end of the day, Steve, we did have a solid father figure and a man around the house constantly that drove into my brother and I what it took to actually be a man. We don’t do that much anymore.
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No, in fact, so a couple things. Number one, there’s a book by a guy named John Eldridge called Wild at Heart. And Wild at Heart, of course, is the concept of how does a man become a man or go from a boy to be a man. And essentially, at some point, you have to challenge your father. And if you don’t have a father around to challenge, it becomes more difficult. And if your hormone levels and your EQ levels are not strong enough, the strength of a male that Kelly was talking about is not valued enough, you’re not going to make that challenge. And if you don’t make that challenge, you turn into a very different kind of man. And people will call in and say, well, you know, I never did that to my father, but I feel like I’m a man. Well, it can be an uncle. It can be somebody. But you’ve got to challenge somebody. And secondly, and this one’s complicated for a show about health. Kelly, weigh in on this for sure, but I learned a long time ago, and I still don’t have it down, is that when you eat something, you don’t think it’s something else. Let’s say it’s a baked potato. When you eat a baked potato, if you don’t have enough fiber in your system or enough protein in your system before you eat a baked potato, then it metabolizes into basically sugar. There’s those kind of things out there where you think you’re doing the right thing, but But the sequence that you have around eating that food matters. It matters how high your blood sugar is when you consume fats. So if you have a Snickers bar and you wait two hours, you’ve got a lot better chance of eating whatever you eat next, a steak, for example, and having less of an effect on the fat in your body. So those two things are factors, and one of them is complicated, the one about food, and the other one is not so complicated. It’s just a fact of life that we have to find a way to overcome.
SPEAKER 13 :
One of the things, Dr. Kelly, is being focused on right now by our current administration, Robert Kennedy Jr., is the fact that there’s so much garbage in our food system today. Seed oils, for example, the coloring, the dyes. We’ve already talked about the dyes in the past. We’ve talked about seed oil, and we kind of do from time to time, but right now, There is a tremendous push. Unless I’m reading things wrong, Dr. Kelly, there’s a tremendous push right now among all of the major food, quote, unquote, manufacturers. And when I say that, folks, I do mean that. Because in a lot of cases, the food that we’re eating is, in fact, Dr. Kelly, manufactured. It’s not coming. Part of it’s coming out of the ground. Part of it is synthetic. Part of, you know, the way seed oil is made. I watched a documentary video on this the other day, which I knew that, you know, canola oil especially wasn’t that good for you. I had no idea what it took to actually make canola oil until actually watching a video on it. And the reality is some of us have been consuming those things, Dr. Kelly, for a very long time. So you’ve got to wonder how much effect does that have on the things we’re talking about.
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Yeah, I don’t think you can overestimate the impact of the food we are eating on overall health, and that includes hormone levels and everything from mental health. I don’t think you can overestimate it. Most of what Americans are eating, and you have to recognize that the three of us and probably many, many of your listeners are are on the fringe, meaning we are the 1%. We are the people who don’t go to McDonald’s five times a week, who don’t live on cheese puffs and RC Cola and moon pies, who don’t have a refrigerator full of junk food and a freezer full of prepared foods. We are the fringe. The average American, if you actually talk to your average blue-collar worker, what he or she eats, your average school child, look at what’s in the school lunches. It is horrific. And so I think that I might not agree with everything that Bobby Kennedy is saying. But I absolutely agree that, you know, you can get rid of vaccines, critically important. You can clean that, you know, get the fluoride out of water, critically important, all these things. But unless we clean up the food system and start getting back to eating whole foods, foods that are recognizable, foods with ingredients you can actually pronounce. You know, that don’t have an unlimited shelf life, those sorts of things. Unless we do that, we will never crack the chronic disease problem that we are in.
SPEAKER 03 :
Go ahead. This is kind of an automotive question. I thought recently a lot about the idea that I take a lot of supplements in the morning, like 27 different supplements that I take. Maybe there’s too many in there, but I kind of related it to the idea that we used to put STP in our gas to give it a higher octane, a better performance. Putting all those supplements on top of McDonald’s and donuts doesn’t really help you that much. It helps you to have them, but you have to add them to good quality. You can’t add them to bad quality. Yeah, some days, you know, if I do happen to go to McDonald’s one time, you know, every other day or whatever I do, I think Kelly was talking about the three of you, as in you, John, her, and Charlie, not me with that analogy. But the bottom line is, you know, you can’t put… expensive additives into your body if you’re putting crap in ahead of it and get what you really need.
SPEAKER 13 :
Yeah, and you’re right. On the car sides of things, you can’t… There’s so many examples I could throw in here, Steve, but if the foundation, I guess, is what we’re trying to say. So in this case, whether it’s the oil in the car, the gasoline in the car… If the foundation isn’t good, putting whatever other additives into it at the end of the day isn’t really helping you when it’s all said and done. It’s sort of like – I’m sorry to say this, but I talk about this a lot on my Saturday program. I always advise people if there’s an additive package station at the pump, in this case Kroger and King Soopers, If they’re trying to sell you cheap gas and then want you to put an additive in with it at the same time, that ought to tell you that you probably ought to be filling up someplace else in the first place, going back to, Steve, what you’re talking about, because foundationally you’re not starting out well anyways, and yet they want to sell you this ad pack at the same time. Why doesn’t it just contain it in the first place is really what you’re saying.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah, and then you take a GLP-1 and you throw it in there because you’ve got to get the bad stuff out or stop taking it in either way. I mean, the whole thing is just a formula for bad health in the long run. It is. Maybe lower quality of life because you’re not going to feel as good either way.
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This isn’t Rage Radio. This is Real Relatable Radio. Back to Rush to Reason.
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And we are back, Charlie, playing that on purpose for us. Rush to Reason, Denver’s Afternoon Rush, health and wellness. Dr. Kelly Victory and Steve House with us today. I’ve got to just throw this in, Dr. Kelly and Steve. This is what I had learned, which I did not know. I should know, being a car guy, I should have known this. But rapeseed oil, which is what came prior to canola, they then did some breeding and got from rapeseed to canola. But originally, rapeseed oil was… was made to lubricate machines during World War II. Dr. Kelly, we now consume it. What part of that doesn’t make any sense?
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Exactly. Well, they needed to do something with it once they came up with the synthetic. They had so much of it. Yeah, they had so much of it. And they came up with better synthetic oils to lubricate engines. So then they were left with all of these subsidized growers, farmers who were growing rap seed oil and then really soybean and canola and ended up needing to use it for something. So they said, I know, we’ll put it in the food. Yeah. I mean, it’s truly… Yeah, no, you’re right. It’d be almost laughable, but… If it weren’t true. That’s exactly what happened.
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Yeah, no, it’d be… Steve, if it weren’t true, you know, I mean, honestly, it would be laughable, although it is true. And as I was watching that the other night, I’m like… This is something, even as a car guy, I never knew that. And I’m thinking, okay, we’re now eating something just because they had so much of it. They already had the technology in place to extract it, and they didn’t want to give all that up. So let’s just feed it to humans, Steve.
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Yeah, I know. I mean, have you ever seen the… Was it Rockefeller’s story about how, I mean, people talk about how medical schools are influenced by pharma and pharma pays for doctors to go to school, which is not necessarily true. I don’t think it’s true at all. What pharma does is it pays medical schools grants to control the agenda. And that started with Rockefeller, who was an oil man who wanted oil-based pharmaceuticals. Correct. Correct. Instead of natural stuff.
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Correct.
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So the way he influenced it was he got people to call it natural drugs. So we’re eating oil in a lot of the pharmaceuticals to go with that. So it’s crazy how you can find a product or find something and turn it into almost everything.
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Question came in, Dr. Kelly. Go ahead, Dr. Kelly. Finish up and I’ll ask you a question. Go ahead.
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And remember that all of these food dyes that Bobby Kennedy’s been working so hard to get out of, you know, Froot Loops and everything else. Those are petroleum based.
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True.
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Think about that. These are petroleum based. You’re eating petroleum based products, which most people think of, you know, putting again in an engine, you know, to not something that you would want your child consuming before going to school.
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Right. Absolutely. Okay. So along those lines, just had a question came in. I’ve got my own opinion on this, but I’ll get you guys’ opinion. And that is, will RFK Jr. be able to ban fluoride in local municipality water sources and so on? Or how do you think that’ll go, Dr. Kelly?
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I’m guessing what will happen, and I’m hoping that he doesn’t try to, quote, ban it. The problem is that there is no regulation on the amount. So depending on where you are, what municipality, what city, what state, where you are, the amount of fluoride in the water could vary by more than 100 times. So what we need to do are some thoughtful, well-controlled studies to say what amount, if any, of fluoride added to the water does actually help to decrease things like demineralization of teeth and dental caries, and at what level does it become profoundly unsafe, and make sure that we are well, well, well within safety limits. So I think the studies need to be done, but more important than anything is there needs to be regulation that makes sure that, you know, fluoride in the water has become, it’s okay to have fluoride in the water, but there’s no control on how much, which I did not know until Bobby Kennedy brought it to my attention.
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No, and that’s something I knew some of that just because of some of the interviews I’ve done here with some of the water quality experts and so on that I’ve met over the years. And Steve, yeah, there’s a lot of folk just like I didn’t know the history of canola oil. There’s a lot of this that frankly has been buried. And something that I was talking to one of my clients about this week on a different note, but then it just sort of came up and I was explaining to somebody, which again, I’m going to remind people, most people don’t know this, but the The major companies that we’re talking about right now in getting them to change the formula for the foods that they manufacture and produce, Steve, are actually the cigarette companies that they realized back in the day they weren’t going to make any more money or weren’t going to make the kind of money they were making selling cigarettes. So let’s transition. Let’s buy some food companies. Let’s go ahead and lobby them. Let’s get some changes made there. So the reality is the very same people that we were trying to get out of people’s lives on the smoking end of things – are in it now more than they were then, Steve.
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No question about it. I mean, you know, that whole thing about what you consume, right? boardroom, they say, well, you know, people consume nicotine through a delivery mechanism called the cigarette. Why not provide them with processed foods like American, I’m not really a cheese slice cheese, and, you know, give them the ability to consume that. Either way, you know, the body isn’t doing very well on either of those substances, and that’s a problem. On the fluoride side, having gone to Africa a number of times, the one thing you see there is is you see people have beautiful white teeth with big brown spots in them. Not like decay like we see here in the U.S., but just like dark brown spots. Apparently, they have mass quantities of fluoride in the water, and it not only hurts their teeth so much, it affects their brains and how they tolerate and learn. So too much fluoride can definitely be a problem.
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And Dr. Kelly, back to just a reminder that we are not eating the same things today that we were a decade, two decades, three decades, go all the way back to when you and I and Steve were kids. We are definitely, kids today, are not eating what we grew up on. The A number of choices that are out there are enormous. On the same token, most of those choices, and I’m not trying to be Debbie Downer here, Dr. Kelly, but they’re typically not good choices.
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Correct. We are eating very, very differently. We are eating very differently and with different frequency, I might add. You know, I can tell you right now, with rare exception, Americans did not snack back in the 30s, 40s, 50s. You ate breakfast. And then you ate lunch, and then you ate dinner relatively early. That was it. And you didn’t snack. Now there’s this idea of you’re constantly, you know, vending machines, this idea that you can get something to eat all the time. You can constantly grab something. That was now, I’ll tell you, when I was growing up, there were no in-between meal snacks. So I think part, you know, the obesity crisis that we are in, and it is a crisis, is When you compare the United States to other countries, it’s horrific. Do you realize we have 10 times the obesity rate that Japan does? Yes. Twice the obesity rate that the rest of Europe has. I mean, this is horrific. Yes. But part of it, so part of it’s what’s in the food, for sure. Part of it’s our lack of activity, but it’s also the frequency with which we eat. It’s nonstop.
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And the quantity. I was watching another video along those lines, Dr. Kelly, where there was a person talking about how they’d lived over in Japan and that they actually ate more there than what they were eating here as far as the types of foods and so on. In other words, pastas and things like that were over here. You wouldn’t think of eating that because you’d weigh 300 pounds by the time you were done. And yet there they eat those things regularly. It’s because they’re not made the same way there as they are here.
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No question. You know, certainly they don’t, and many, many people, I’ve said this for a long time, I think the actual number of people who have, quote, gluten sensitivity or gluten allergy is very, very low. Statistically, if you look really at people who have true celiac disease, It’s well less than half of 1%. But we have entire sections of grocery stores. We have entire restaurants and menus dedicated to gluten-free. It is not the gluten people. It’s what we are spraying on the wheat in this country. It’s the glyphosate. the pesticides, the fertilizers that we are spraying on our wheat, because my patients who think that they are gluten sensitive or gluten intolerant or gluten allergy, they can go to Italy and eat bread and pasta all day long and have nary a problem. It is not the gluten. So it’s the way we are making our foods here, the way we are processing them here, the ingredients we allow in our foods here that are not allowed here. in the same product like a Kellogg’s Fruit Loop that has 17 ingredients in the United States and only five ingredients in the UK.
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Steve, one thing, and I know you study this a lot just like Dr. Kelly and I do, so for folks listening, how do you recommend folk actually figure out, A, what ingredients are in that food, what do you eat, what do you not eat? We’ve got about five minutes left here, so give folks a little tip on how to do that.
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by the way and i will but by the way remember the days when we used to say you should have five meals a day i don’t remember that working for anybody just now but you’re right um i think it’s i think it’s simple right i mean you know stay on the outside edges of the grocery store i mean stay away from something in a box i mean if you can do it right eggs are good i mean i i’ll eat breakfast meat too but you know eggs are good just stay outside of the box if it comes out of a box It’s probably not all that healthy for you. Now, you can get away with it if you’re, you know, like my youngest daughter who’s an Ironman athlete. You couldn’t put enough calories in her to have her gain weight. But it’s really about she’d still be better off eating outside the edges on a grocery store and stay out of the middle. That’s the simplest way. There’s really no better explanation than that. And don’t overeat. You know, eat three meals a day, two meals a day, whatever serves you. But calories still do matter.
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Kelly, we talked about this last time you were on because some of us, myself included, you know, I’m a guy where if I get really hungry at lunch, I might have a really, really light lunch, but rarely do I do that. I typically am a one-meal-a-day kind of an individual. I get by doing it that way. I can keep my weight off. I feel fine. I’ve got plenty of energy. I mean, you guys know me. We text – very early in the morning sometimes. So I’m a guy that’s up at 5.30 or 6 in the mornings and don’t go to bed till 10 o’clock or so at night and I’ve got plenty of energy. You can ask my wife on that one. I mean, at the end of the day, Dr. Kelly, I do just fine and I eat one meal a day.
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Yeah, and I think that that works for a lot of people. You know, I am, as you know, a dedicated intermittent faster, so I try to keep my eating window to eight hours a day. There’s a tremendous amount of evidence that that limiting how much you eat or the duration of the period of time during the day that you’re eating has huge health benefits. It’s not just about controlling your weight. It improves overall many, many health parameters, including your cholesterol profile, blood pressure, insulin sensitivity, all of those things. are impacted. We were not meant to eat, you know, constantly and to constantly have something in your gut. Your gut needs a break and a period of time, you know, in the range of 14 to 16 hours, I think for most people is ideal. The impact on insulin sensitivity is remarkable. It increases your body’s ability to use glucose when it sees it, to burn fat when it can. It improves mental clarity. So lots and lots of reasons to do that. I don’t recommend that young children do it. Young children are a little different. They need more regular intake of calories. to keep them mentally alert and feeling good. But once you’re over the age of 18, most people do very well by limiting themselves. I think the three-meal-a-day idea has kind of passed its prime. I think we’ve realized that there are a lot of healthier routines to eat on than the three-meal-a-day way.
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Absolutely. Guys, as always, I appreciate you joining us. Go ahead, Steve. We’ll let you finish up. Go ahead.
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One last thing, and I’ve had the fortune of meeting Mrs. Rush, and I think this applies to probably any of us, that is when you have a partner who’s established the same basic mental attitude about eating and exercise, it works. So make an agreement with the person that’s your partner that you’re doing the same thing. It helps a lot. It really, really does.
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Good way to end, Steve. I appreciate that very much. I’ll let you go first. Thank you always, man. Happy Labor Day weekend, by the way.
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Happy Labor Day weekend to you guys. Don’t work on Monday. That’s what it’s for. There you go. We’ll talk to you again as well.
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Awesome. Dr. Kelly, you as well. Have a great Labor Day weekend also, and thanks for all you do for us. I appreciate it greatly.
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Thank you. Great to be with you guys on a Wednesday, and we’ll talk next week.
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All right. Awesome. Appreciate it very much. And that is, again, Dr. Kelly Finder on our website, RushToReason.com. Dr. Scott Falkner coming up next. And Dr. Scott, much like Dr. Kelly and Steve and the conversations we have here weekly, you’re going to hear more from him in the future on an ongoing basis. And I appreciate Scott. He is a great doctor, wants to make sure that you are taken care of on the whole end of things, not just one small portion, which is typically what big pharma and big insurance want. Talk to him today. Call 303-663-6990.
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And that’s it for this hour, health and wellness. Thank you all, by the way, for listening. Lots of comments coming in. And every Wednesday and every time Dr. Kelly especially is with us, I get lots of thank yous for having her. And I will pass that along because, yes, we are very indebted to her. She’s just a wealth of information. And I have learned so much from her and Steve over the past five years. We are deeply, deeply indebted to both of them. So, again, you can find her. Go to our website, RushToReason.com. You can always pass along these episodes as well by going there and Doing exactly that. We’ll be back. Hour 2 is next. Rush to Reason, Denver’s Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560.
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