In this episode of Rush to Reason, John Rush is joined by health expert Dr. Kelly Victory to dissect the popular 10,000 steps a day mantra. They explore a comprehensive study that suggests the benefits of stepping down to 7,000 steps per day. With a focus on practical health advice, this conversation is filled with realistic strategies for stepping up your fitness game. Dr. Kelly brings fresh insights on how adjusting your daily step count can result in significant health benefits, including a reduction in mortality rates, and risks associated with diseases like heart disease and type 2 diabetes.
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All right, welcome. Happy Thursday. Rush to Reason, Denver’s Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560. Dr. Kelly Victory with us today. Steve House not able to join us, was trying his best to do so, but called into a late meeting. Dr. Kelly, though, welcome. How are you?
SPEAKER 06 :
Hey, I’m doing great. Thanks. Always good to be with you, John.
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Always a joy. And we’ll start with, because I promote it, and you and I were talking about this earlier in the week, and I’d mentioned this in the past but didn’t really get into great detail, and that is the old 10,000 steps per day. That was the goal, which now that we kind of go back and look at things was sort of a – made-up goal. There wasn’t a lot of factual evidence behind that, but yet that was kind of the goal that everybody latched on to. The new daily goal now is 7,000 steps. So give us your opinion on all that.
SPEAKER 06 :
Yeah, well, and thanks for bringing this up. It’s a great topic. And I wouldn’t say the new goal, John, because it’s not as if the 10,000 isn’t still something that should be aspirational for most people. What this is, we’re talking about a recent really… groundbreaking study. It’s a meta-analysis, a systematic review of a bunch of different studies. It includes 24 different cohorts across multiple different countries, nearly a million participants. And what the researchers looked at across all of these different studies was what is the precise relationship between daily step counts and a number of different conditions, including all-cause mortality, cardiovascular disease, cancer, type 2 diabetes, dementia, depression, and the risk of falls. And so what they found was, as you said, the 10,000 steps was somewhat arbitrary. And there’s no question that what these researchers found is that 10,000 steps a day absolutely continues to offer benefit for some outcomes. But the good news is that significant health benefits start much earlier. They really start around 7,000 steps a day, which for many people is a lot more doable or feels a lot less daunting, if you will. So certain conditions continue. You continue to get benefits after 7,000 steps and even after 10,000. But for the bulk of them, as an example, 7,000 steps a day, very, very doable, provided an almost 50%, 40% lower risk of all-cause death, 30% lower risk of cancer death, 25% lower risk of heart disease. 38% lower risk of dementia. So that’s just with 7,000 steps. Now, as I said, if you continue to do more, if you’re a runner, a pickleball player, you’re somebody who’s very active, who has no trouble, you and I were chatting about it over the weekend. We both have very active home lives on the weekend. You had no trouble logging whatever, 12,000 steps or whatever, just doing your chores around the house. And same with me because I live on a ranch. So for me, but for those people who have a harder time, whether it’s because they don’t find a lot of free time in their day, they have mobility issues, maybe they’re overweight, and the idea of starting right out of the box and saying, oh, my gosh, 10,000 steps. How will I ever do it? But if you know that just 7000 could deliver these overwhelming positive things. And I just think it’s a positive thing for us to focus on, you know, obviously so much of what we have done on this show in our attempt to educate people about what’s going on, what’s going on in our government and health care and in public health. A lot of it sort of tends towards the negative. It’s the fraud, the corruption, the dishonesty. So when I come across a study like this that I think is a good one and really bodes well for sort of the ability for people to take control with something as simple as, I’m not saying go out and buy a $3,000 Peloton. I’m not saying join the gym at X number a month or do XYZ. just a pair of walking shoes and the good old outdoors. And that is something that I think is really hopeful. So I’m not saying that 10,000 isn’t a great goal or that, you know, more is not better because it is. The more you can do it, the better. But 7,000, just to put that in perspective for people, walking a mile for most people is around 2,000 steps. So 7,000 steps, if you went out and walked three miles, you’re already at 6,000 right there without having anything else that you did that day. So you can break it down, and you don’t need to do it all at one time. You could walk a mile in the morning and a mile in the evening. Well, you’re already 4,000 steps into your 7,000 goal just with that simple change.
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Great point. And for those listening, I like you said earlier too, about those that are, you know, maybe you’ve got a few extra pounds and it’s really hard to get around and so on and so forth. Okay. So instead of having this daunting, even 7,000 goal mark, Dr. Kelly, let’s say, okay. Cut that in half. Let’s see if daily you can get to 3,500, let’s say. Maybe then each week you can go from 3,500 to 4,000 and then 4,500. Before you know it, after a month to six weeks, you’re up to that 7,000. I mean, the reality is I think sometimes, Dr. Kelly, it’s like people that have to lose a ton of weight. I got 100 pounds to lose. That was me back in the day. I had over 100 pounds to lose. And you look at that and you think, geez that is daunting that’s going to take me forever it doesn’t by the way take forever it comes off you know about two and a half pounds a week on average for those of you listening that’s kind of a healthy 2.3 i think i averaged 2.3 pounds a week when it was all said and done dr kelly which is a very healthy thing to do so if you think about that you can get that weight off in in a year yes a year seems like a long time but honestly dr kelly it’s not so my point is even for those that are thinking oh man $10,000 is way up there. Even $7,000 is still way up there. Okay, fine. Lower the goal to whatever you can do right now and then increase that on a weekly basis.
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100%, and you’re making a very good point. This is not just your opinion. This is a conclusion of that Lancet meta-analysis. They say there’s a dose-related response. Benefits, this is quoting from them, benefits start as low as 3,000 to 4,000 steps a day. Even small increases from sedentary levels bring measurable health improvement. So you are spot on, and this is sort of the proverbial don’t let the perfect be the enemy of the good. Right. Anything that you can do is better than what you did, you know, than sitting on the sofa and doing nothing. And I agree with you. It’s the idea of breaking it up into smaller bites. Make it, you know, if you focused on losing 100 pounds, you’d probably never do it.
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For me, Dr. Kelly, it was I wanted that. I didn’t achieve it, but I wanted two and a half pounds. I thought if I could do two and a half a week, on average, I would lose 10 a month, which I thought, okay, after 10 months, that’s close to 100 pounds. It doesn’t always work that way, everybody listening. Some with diets, and Dr. Kelly, you would know this, some weeks you lose a little more, some weeks you lose a little less. It all depends on your body and what’s happening and its metabolism. Sometimes you want to it gets into these spots where, frankly, it doesn’t want to come off and it becomes very discouraging sometimes. And that’s just what your body’s doing things that it’s never done before. So it’s trying to hang on to things thinking, holy cow, you’ve upset the apple cart. I’m going to hang on to this weight. And so your body will do different things at different times, but you can’t give up.
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Absolutely. And I’m telling you, I was a distance runner for the better part of my my life. And every time I tow the line to get ready for the starting gun at a marathon, I never would think, oh, my gosh, I’m about to run 26 miles. I think I’m going to run one mile 26 times. Right. And that is exactly how I would do it. So it’s the same thing with this walking. But I do think it’s a great, very, very positive, very hopeful. Again, not to say that the 10,000 was, quote, wrong or not a good goal.
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Although, Dr. Kelly, that sounds, you know, astronomical because most people could look at their daily steps and say, gosh, I’m only getting in, you know, fifteen hundred or a thousand, depending upon your lifestyle would be. So they’re thinking, gosh, ten thousand. That means I’ve got to do ten times the amount, nine times the amount anyways of what I’m doing right now. And that’s just not achievable. So they never get started. Not that seven thousand is a low number because it’s still pretty high. but it seems a little more achievable for most than seven does, and to your point, if you can do 10, 12, 14. I took yesterday off of the show, worked around my house. I got all sorts of things I’m trying to get done with my folks’ estate, and I just have so much to do. I’m trying to get done before winter hits Dr. Kelly, and I just looked at my miles or my steps yesterday, and I never left the house. I did not leave the house the entire day, and I had 13.5 yesterday.
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Yeah, exactly.
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It’s not that hard is my point.
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Exactly. And then that’s what I’m trying to give people some idea of how to you don’t have to have a pedometer to actually count the steps. There’s one embedded on your iPhone, by the way, choose to turn it on. And you certainly can use that one. But walking a mile for every mile you walk. It’s about 2,000 steps. If you walk your dog a half mile in the morning, oh, there’s 1,000 right there. If you can just sort of add it up, it doesn’t have to be all at one time. In fact, there are many studies that would indicate that keeping active throughout the day is better than getting out there. walking five miles first thing in the morning and then sitting in a chair the rest of the day. So it’s just anything you can do. Take the stairs, not the escalator. Park your car a little further away in the parking lot at the grocery store. Any little extra thing you can do. And I think this is a very positive. These health improvements. These decreases in risk from everything from cancer to cardiovascular disease are significant. We’re talking 25%, 35%, almost 50% decreases in some of these things. Really remarkable.
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Also, I read something today that kind of dovetails into this, and I didn’t prep you on this, so bear with me here. But I was reading an article today where it was talking about how, you know, basically the poorer you are, the fatter you’re going to be. And part of me says, okay, I guess I can see some of that. Part of that I just think, okay, wait a minute. This isn’t that difficult. There are times where, frankly, people eat. You know what I’m probably going to say here. There’s times people eat when they really don’t need to, and that’s a whole other discussion that comes down to willpower and what are you trying to do and so on. But then, you know, this whole idea that you have to spend money to stay in shape. You and I are talking about something right now that costs maybe a pair of tennis shoes. I mean, most people already have those. So the reality is there’s really very little of any money spent to go do these 7,000 steps per day.
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Correct. And this association in the United States between obesity, type 2 diabetes, and poverty, low socioeconomic status, is a relatively new phenomenon. The United States is, for the record, the only country on the planet where its poor people are fat. In other countries, people who are poor, who don’t have money, tend to be quite thin, sometimes very, very thin. Now, I’m not suggesting that malnutrition is the way we are trying to go. What I’m saying is that the subsidies that we are giving people who are in the lower socioeconomic categories, Those people who are on federal subsidies, and this is something that Robert Kennedy Jr. is trying to clean up, unfortunately are using those subsidies or encouraged to use those subsidies to buy foods that tend to be less healthy, more caloric, and not as nutritious. Because this is a new phenomenon. If you look back to the early part of the 1900s, 1910, 1920, there weren’t any fat, poor people.
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Very true. In fact, back then, well, even other countries today, I learned this, Dr. Kelly, kind of traveling the world, Africa especially, where there they look at you, and if you’re at all overweight, you’re super rich because they don’t have the ability to feed themselves in that same manner. If only that were true, Dr. Kelly, because the reality is here in America, you don’t have to be wealthy to be fat. In fact, it’s quite opposite. Right.
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It’s quite the opposite. So, you know, if you look back at what happened during the Great Depression, people who were they they were hungry. They were poor. They were hungry and they were not fat. So the problem is and I’m just calling it like it is the elephant in the room. We there’s only one way to to be, you know, to stay fat and that’s to eat more than the calories you’re burning. So we have got to, number one, change the subsidies and encourage people to be using their federal subsidies for healthy, nutritious foods that will not increase their risk of obesity, diabetes, and heart disease. Then, as you rightly point out, it is a fallacy that you have to belong to some fancy gym or have a trainer or uh you know or you know whatever else you know have an expensive bike or belong to a club where you can play tennis or pickleball there are lots of things that you can do for exercise not the least of which we just spent 20 minutes talking about is walking walking is free you can do it anywhere I spent so much of my career traveling, so much of my professional life traveling. I have walked in every city from Beijing to Havana. I bring my shoes with me wherever I go and I walk and walk and walk and walk. And that’s something that’s free. On top of it, I know a heck of a lot of people who have a few weights, hand weights or barbells in their garage or in their basement. It’s something that they can do while they’re watching the news at night or whatever it is that they’re doing. Lift a few weights. So it is not something, it’s really a mindset, and we have promoted the idea that it’s okay to be sedentary, that it’s okay to eat unhealthful foods, and that if you are poor, if you are impoverished, if you are on federal subsidies, That somehow that’s an excuse, and it shouldn’t be. We are not trying to penalize people by saying you can’t use the SNAP program or your food stamps to buy Coca-Cola and chips. We’re saying it’s not helping you and it’s not helping us. And it’s not fair to the taxpayers who are subsidizing it, because remember, most of the people, the vast majority of people receiving food subsidies are also receiving health care subsidies that we the taxpayers.
SPEAKER 15 :
Great point, Dr. Kelly.
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Great point. So I’m not only, you know, I bet I don’t know somebody who’s getting SNAP. or some sort of federal food subsidy who also isn’t getting their health care subsidized. And if I’m going to pay for their health care, I have a vested interest in making sure that they aren’t obese, don’t develop premature arthritis, diabetes, cardiovascular disease, and everything else.
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Yep, that’s right. For those of you listening to this is a new fad. There’s I’m sure Dr. Kelly, you’ve seen this as well, where a lot of people are walking, which is great. And walking has tons and tons of health benefits. We talk about that on a pretty routine basis here on Rush to Reason. But Dr. Kelly, the new fad now is people wear not just they don’t carry weights, but they’re now starting to wear the weights, weighted packs, things like that. And I was thinking to myself, OK, even on the cheap end of things, let’s say you don’t have the money to go out and buy anything. these weighted packs, but you want to get a little bit more exercise in than just the standard walk. Most everybody has one or two or three or four. I can go down the list. I don’t know how many different backpacks people end up having kicking around. You know, the kid’s old school backpack, you know, your teenager that’s not using it this year, you know, all sorts of things along those lines. Everybody’s got an extra backpack kicking around somewhere, Dr. Kelly. That’s pretty much a standard in America anymore. Okay, if worse comes to worse and you don’t have the money to go out and buy one of these weighted packs, you know, a couple of sacks of flour in that backpack will do the same thing.
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Absolutely. And there’s nothing you know, there’s absolutely nothing wrong with adding some weights, whether it’s a couple of hand weights or, you know, a weighted vest or, you know, ankle weights. I would be cautious. People, however, be careful, because when you do that, if you aren’t careful and you should not be adding more than seriously two or three pounds. is all you really need to increase your cardiac output. When people start putting a – now, it’s one thing if you’re a 20-year-old kid and you’re training for the military or you’re a college athlete. But I’m talking for your average person. When you start putting, you know, 10, 20, 30 pounds on your back, it changes your stride. It puts stress on your shoulders. It puts stress on all of your joints. You know, if you haven’t been walking, you know, and again, if you’re one of those people who’s been walking 10,000 steps a day and you want to up your game, great, go for it. But this is not something to do if you’re thinking, okay, I’m going to start a, you know, I’m going to aim for 5,000 steps a day and I’m going to add ankle weights today. No, you need to build up to that. Start with the initial goal. Don’t set yourself up for failure because the next thing you’ll, you know, we’ll be talking about is this person did it for a week and next thing you know, they’ve got knee pain or back pain or shoulder pain or neck pain. So be very careful with the amount of additional weight you need to add to get some increased cardiac capacity. output while exercising is really very small. As I said, add a couple of two or three pound hand weights while you’re walking, pump your arms, and you will feel a big difference, not 30 pounds.
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TJ here with KLZ Radio. Once again, I have Al Smith from Golden Eagle Financial with me. Al, what are some of the common mistakes that people make before they come see you?
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Well, one that I sometimes talk to them about that they really have no control over is not having started to save for retirement at an early enough age, because that’s the biggest mistake people can make. But it’s not one that they can correct. You can only do what you can do right now. Another mistake, once people are fully retired, sometimes they help their children out too much.
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What’s that look like for someone that helps out one of their kids? You know, obviously they’re just trying to be benevolent, that kind of thing. What are some mistakes that we can make in that?
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Well, I’ve met some who allow their children to live in the same household and don’t provide any encouragement for them to leave. And I don’t necessarily mean the 32-year-old who’s playing video games in the basement. I have met a couple one time that had children who were in their 40s, and their children themselves had their own children and were living with the grandparents, and it was… borderline senior abuse. So I think saying no to your children sometimes can make your own retirement better, and it can also provide more respect.
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It seems like you kind of help people fulfill that whole picture. You’re not just giving them a DIY software kind of fix. You dig into the root causes and look full steam ahead. Is that right?
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I also, I try to learn from the people I’ve worked with. I met one retired gentleman who had a son that was having some difficulties and he gave his son a gift rather than a loan because a loan, if it’s not paid back, not only is the money gone, but the relationship is gone because the son or daughter feels bad about contacting the parent because they haven’t made the payments.
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You got it there, folks. klzradio.com slash money for Golden Eagle Finance. Al, thanks so much for joining us today.
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Well, you’re welcome. Thank you, TJ. It’s always good to talk with you.
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No liberal media bias here. This is Rush to Reason.
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All right, we are back. Dr. Kelly Victory. And if you want to know about Dr. Kelly, just go to our website, RushToReason.com, an entire page dedicated there. We’ve been doing this hourly session on Thursdays for quite some time, and I’m very thankful, Dr. Kelly, you have saved. I hear this from listeners all the time. I had a big event this last weekend where we were out on a remote, did a big car show, and I had several people come up and actually talk about you in particular and how much they have learned over the past year. you know four to five years and how thankful that they are that we have you with us and i just can’t tell you enough what people really feel and to see them face to face and hear that i get those messages and so on not that those don’t count for all of you that text and so on those do count but dr kelly when you see somebody face to face and you can see it in their eyes that makes a huge difference
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Well, I appreciate you passing it on. I’ve been very grateful to have this platform and to share this time with you on a weekly basis for these past years. Now it seems like many, many people are speaking out, but you have to remember back, John, there was a time when you, Steve, and I were the renegades.
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That’s right.
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That’s right. We were the dissenters. We truly were going rogue. Absolutely. And in those first days… I think that we were the beacon of light for a lot of people, and I’m glad that we could do it. And I’m hopeful that the next time around, because there will be a next time, the tyrants don’t plan to give up quite so easily.
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And you’re dovetailing right into what I was going to say next, so perfect timing. I was reading today, and this is most likely more fear porn, 7,000 cases in China of a virus I can’t pronounce, chikungunya, Chikungunya? I can’t pronounce it. I don’t even know what kind of virus it is. But big news I’ve seen on some of not necessarily U.S. news sites, but some of the others, whereby they’re starting to drum it up again.
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Exactly. Listen, they will continue to run stuff up the flagpole and see who salutes. This particular virus is, again, a mosquito-borne virus. That’s a similar threat to Zika virus, if you remember that scare. But, you know, whatever happened to monkeypox, remember? And, you know, Marburg virus we were all supposed to die from. And, you know, I mean, it’s a bird flu. Bird flu’s pretty much gone away now. You know, Mad Cow disease. It’s, you know, every 15 minutes or something. You know, Bill Gates is a psychopath who’s been, you know, messing around with mosquitoes, infecting them with viruses, talking about making them into little flying syringes that can deliver vaccines via mosquitoes and all sorts of other things. I think the sooner that we get our arms around the idea that things like gain of function research needs to be largely eradicated. It is the weaponization of a pathogen to make it more virulent, more infectious. more deadly and easier to evade things like treatment and vaccines. We need to stop, I think, really manipulating Mother Nature. I remember, John, back, you know, however many decades ago it was, when they first cloned, you know, Dolly. Dolly the sheep was cloned in a petri dish. And I remember I was early in my career thinking, wow, we have just crossed the Rubicon. This is, we are now creating, this is not the way that God intended it to be. And now fast forward, we have gone from cloning, you know, Dolly the sheep to having where significant portions of our population believe that men can be women and women can be men and men can have babies. And, you know, people can be animals and you can be somewhere in between or switch back and forth. I mean. Truly, that is the definition of the slippery slope, which is not to say, look, I’m a physician, I’m a scientist. My entire life has been based on, you know, discovering and utilizing new things in science. It’s not that I, you know, I am not an anti-science person by any stretch, but we have got to apply it thoughtfully in the same way that we have allowed science AI to get out of control. Rather than using the technology for where it has good, solid, moral, ethical application, we have now allowed it to spin out of control to the point where there is no way to tell what’s reality and what is not. So I think almost to remind people, Almost every pandemic ever has emanated from Asia. They most commonly start in China or areas around China. This particular thing, I have no reason to believe this particular new mosquito borne virus. I have no reason to be panicking about it. But I pay close attention to it because of the things I’m talking about, that we know that these people and our own government have participated in the manipulation of these pathogens in laboratories. And we have messed with Mother Nature in a way that I think has put us at risk. And we need to all be vigilant.
SPEAKER 15 :
Can’t argue that. I want to step back just for a moment because a question came in late on the walking end of things. Some of these folks may be walking a little longer, might even be hiking, backpacking, things like that. Trekking poles, what’s your opinion on trekking poles?
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I think it’s absolutely up to the individual user. I hike every single day, seven days a week in the summertime when I’m in Colorado. I have many, many friends who love trekking poles. They do help with balance, particularly in rocky areas. And they tend to have people keep their arms up because you keep your arms up and bent with your poles much the way you do skiing. Right. I trip myself with them. I am not good with trekking poles. I hate them. And I never bring them, no matter how rocky it is, very much up to the individual. If they help you, by all means, use them. Some people choose to carry them in the collapsed state and then only break them out if they get to a particular level. rocky or a little bit more difficult place to navigate. Other people use them the whole darn way. So I don’t have a strong thought other than to say, do whatever suits you. There’s certainly no reason not to use them if you find them helpful to your balance.
SPEAKER 15 :
OK, back to MRNA. And you saw most everybody, I think, saw the news this last week in the defunding. I guess you could say what Robert Kennedy Jr. is doing in the defunding end of things. Talk about that for a moment, if you would.
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Yes. I think that Robert Kennedy Jr., if I’m reading the tea leaves, is finding sort of back door, back alley ways to get done what he would secretly like to do, sort of, you know, carte blanche. Right. I have no idea. question, knowing him personally and conversations that he would love to see all of these mRNA vaccines taken off the market and, you know, and never hear from them again. That is not going to happen. But he can use the power of the purse and go one by one to some of these studies, some of these initiatives and projects and say, nope, we’re going to defund that one and take away that $50 billion or a million dollars or whatever it is. There’s huge sums of money. that have been granted to everybody from NGOs to federal agencies to private pharmaceutical companies to do studies and to create, to develop new mRNA shots. And he’s using very good reasoning and saying, no, there’s no indication that we need a new shot for that or this Technology is right that the mRNA technology, John, and I’ve said it for five years, it is not ready for primetime. It is not new technology. Scientists have been working on it for decades. We’ve tried many, many times to come up with an mRNA vaccine, and many of them failed way before COVID with terrible outcomes where all the test animals died. Furthermore, Robert Kennedy is correct, again, in following the most rudimentary science, high school biology, where you know that certain viruses, specifically upper respiratory viruses, influenza, rhinovirus, coronavirus, they simply mutate too quickly to allow a vaccine to be useful against them. That’s the problem. Other viruses, you might, you know, argue viruses in the varicella, which is the herpes viruses, you know, chickenpox. Some of these other viruses don’t mutate quickly, and many bacterium don’t mutate quickly. So you can come up with a vaccine that actually targets it and develop antibodies to it and have some level of protection. That simply isn’t the case. If we could come up with an effective vaccine for viruses, upper respiratory pressures, for the common cold. Don’t you think we would have done it?
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Yeah, yeah, great point.
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The common cold? Great point, great point. We haven’t done it because it mutates too quickly. And Robert Kennedy Jr. is using that science and the ability to control the funding to chip away, chip away, chip away. We already have the COVID mRNA shots have now been, the recommendations have now have been removed from the CDC for healthy children or pregnant women. Again, don’t let the perfect be the enemy of the good. We’re making small inroads. You have to remember where Robert Kennedy Jr. is sitting and the different forces that are controlling what he can and can’t get done. So I think he is masterfully using some of these backdoor ways to chip away at what we all ultimately hope will happen.
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All right. We’ve talked about this in the past. We get people that tune in, you know, each week for maybe the first time. Maybe they’ve only been tuning in for a few weeks. And sometimes I need to remind myself that repeating a few things at times is not a bad thing. So for some of you that may have heard this already, OK, we’re going to say it again. And that is, Dr. Kelly, why the big push? for mRNA in the first place. What advantages do they think that it has and why does it need to exist in the first place?
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Again, I think the reason, and you’re absolutely correct, they have a huge vested interest in this platform because it is so useful, because you can manipulate so many things. With a standard vaccine, all you do is cause somebody to create antibodies to a particular thing, And in an ideal world, fight that thing, that enemy, that pathogen off. With mRNA, you can change the way your cells function. You can change and start creating. Remember, this mRNA vaccine for COVID caused those people who got injected to start creating a protein that their bodies had never before in their lives seen or created. It implanted a brand new thing. It would be as if you gave somebody a shot and they started growing, you know, a third eyeball in the middle of their forehead or a brand new limb. mRNA is the ultimate way of controlling disease. what God created, and changing it.
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Okay, so, and again, I know we’ve talked about this, but after everything you just said, I can’t think of a single reason why I would want one of those shots inside of me. I don’t want anything along those lines altered. I mean, I guess if we get to a point, Dr. Kelly, to where some technology arises and you have the ability, which we already do, you and I talk about this a lot, but you have the ability to fight cancer more so than you normally would. And maybe certain people that have an immune deficiency, maybe that would be a way to jumpstart their cancer-fighting ability, something along those lines. Okay, maybe, maybe, maybe then it might be worth doing. Although I kind of go back to what you and I talk about constantly, which is if you’re staying healthy and you’re doing the things you need to do on the front side, your body has the ability to do that anyways. Why do I need an altered cell to make that happen?
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Well, what you’re saying is exactly how they’ve sold it. They’re saying, look, John, if you have cancer, we can now create, rather than giving you a toxic chemotherapy that kills not only the cancer, but also kills all sorts of healthy cells, we can give you this mRNA that’s going to teach your body how to make this brand new thing That’s going to target and fight off just your cancer and leave everything else alone. It’s going to leave your hair alone, your skin alone, the lining of your intestine alone. And it’s just going to kill that cancer. And that’s the carrot that they keep telling us. But OK, and that would be wonderful if they get to that point where they can, you know, create that and do that. What they did with COVID was an abject disaster. They had your body create the very thing that’s toxic. This spike protein, they didn’t have you create an antibody. They had you create the toxic thing with no off switch. It would be like saying, we’re going to inject you with this, and rather than giving you, you know, name a toxic chemotherapy, doxorubicin or cisplatinum, rather than putting an IV in your arm, John, and giving you the cisplatinum, we’re going to start causing every cell in your body to create it. Well, that sounds like a really bad idea.
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Right.
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Because there’s no off switch.
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Right. It’s going to keep doing that forever.
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Really, really bad. You can’t you can’t pull the idea out. OK, so they’ve sold it to people with this idea that it’s going to be this panacea, that it’s going to somehow and maybe in the minds of some of the scientists and perhaps the majority of them. That is what they’re thinking. But the reality is it can be used strategically. in such a nefarious way and it can be used to do so many things to totally change there’s no reason to think that you couldn’t fundamentally change people’s personalities all kinds of things once you change what their cells are doing i am not interested in rewriting my dna rewriting my and you know i agree god made me this way i want to leave it alone To do. But that is the answer to the question. They’ve sold it to people as if it’s going to be the miracle cure. So far, I’ve seen way, way more sound bites.
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It’s the opposite, Dr. Kelly. I mean, so far, everything you’ve said about the predictors of where we would be with… you know, cancers and so on. It amazes me that, of course, they won’t admit any of this, but I was reading an article earlier in the week where they were talking about how they’re finding so much more, Charlie and I were talking about this, so much more colon cancer now in young people, 30, 40 years of age. There’s folks now getting screened and they’re finding cancer that, frankly, Dr. Kelly, as you know, five years ago plus didn’t exist. Nobody was getting colon cancer screening under the age of 50 unless you had some really, Really, really, really high risk because of family, you know, previous history or something along those lines. Nobody was getting screened for colon cancer at age 35. And yet people are and they’re finding cancer today. That’s all, in my opinion, that’s all because of what you and I have talked about now for five years.
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A hundred percent. These turbo cancers are real. There’s not a day of my life that I don’t hear another case or have another patient or patient family member who comes in and go. And I’m talking about true turbo cancers. I had a patient last week who on the 7th of July was diagnosed with melanoma, just diagnosed 7th of July. His funeral was last weekend. Oh my word. Three weeks. Wow. From diagnosis to death. Wow. that that’s unheard of from oak it went from we’re going to start chemotherapy to all of a sudden now a cat scan was clear a week later the cat’s it’s in his liver the week after that it’s in his lung and the week after that he’s in hospice and gone amazing i mean this is these are these are horrible and there’s nothing we can do um so i i think that it is we’ve got to be thoughtful about it. There is a time and a place when I may come to agree that this application of mRNA, whatever this is, is worth pursuing. But right now, You know, you are talking about something that they have not discovered the off switch for whatever it is that MRNA. And before you do anything else, you better figure out where the kill switch is. All right. You know, where’s the kill switch? Where’s the fire extinguisher? You know, where’s the thing that turns this off? And they didn’t do that with COVID.
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You’re listening to an encore segment of Rush to Reason with John Rush on KLZ 560.
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And we are back, Dr. Kelly Victory. Okay, Dr. Kelly, before we close out today, we got, I don’t know, five or six minutes left here. This is a part of our problem is you and I talk about these things and everybody else is out there and people are listening. And yet there’s a lot of people that don’t listen to us. And they read things in the Huffington Post today that say this is going to cost lives. Former Surgeon General shocked. by RFK’s latest move, which we were just talking about a moment ago. So we’ve got previous Surgeon Generals who, you know, again, the average person reading this stuff, you know, they’re now having to decipher, okay, who’s right, who’s wrong. And the reality is the previous guy, by the way, is really wrong. But that’s what’s tough because you’ve got people now trying to decipher who’s right and who’s wrong.
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It is really tough for the average American, and it’s unfair, and it makes me angry. The former Surgeon General you’re referencing is Jerome Adams, who is the gift that keeps on giving. Jerome Adams, who was nowhere to be found, just like Vivek Murthy, during the entirety of the pandemic. Not a single address, okay? These people were absolutely AWOL. The Surgeon General, the people’s doctor. Did you hear from him once? Nope. No. But now instead, he’s out there saying, you know, the quote, the vaccines for covid were credited with saving millions of lives. Well, credited they were.
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Yes, it wasn’t. Yes.
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But they continue to repeat that dribble. The reality is Jerome Adams didn’t ever treat a single covid patient. He doesn’t treat patients. He didn’t see patients. He has no idea what actually was going on. He doesn’t understand the science. And I’m telling you, so when you ask who should people listen to, let’s listen to the people who got it right the first time. Let’s listen to the people who were right about masks and social distancing. Jerome Adams bought it hook, line, and sinker. He’s out there repeating it today. even in the face of Anthony Fauci, Deborah Birx, Rochelle Walensky, acknowledging that they made it all up, acknowledging that they know the masks didn’t work, they know social distancing was a fraud. So why would you listen to a Dr. Jerome Adams or Rebecca Murphy or anybody else for that matter who’s continuing to repeat what the lie tellers have acknowledged was a lie?
SPEAKER 15 :
Great point. Great point. The problem is Dr. Kelly, and this is where, and I run into this at times where I’ll have, you know, conversations and again, I’ll have listeners even at different times where, you know, meet them and you talk to them. And, and, and by the way, for the majority of them, they’re all on board with us. They’re very thankful that they’ve listened to us. In some cases, they may have got the first or second shot, but then started to listen to us and didn’t do anything, you know, after that. So, you know, most everybody I listen to that I talked to has listened to us. The problem is we weren’t able to catch enough of them, I don’t think, early on. So I think some of them have deep regrets that they even did the first two. But, you know, it is what it is at this point. For those that are listening, please, and I get this is another conspiracy theory that’s out there, one of many, whereby people say they can reverse that. And, Dr. Kelly, you and I have talked about that many times. There’s preventative measures you might be able to take if you’ve had one of the shots, but there is no reversal of it. Am I correct in that still today? Absolutely.
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That is correct. And for those people who have taken one or more of the shots and had zero side effects, I’m not suggesting that people live in fear. That’s no way to live. On the other hand, I think that you should take any symptoms that you have very seriously and consider whether or not they may be related to the shots because there are things that we can do to try to reverse some of the bad effects. You can’t get the shot out of you. You can’t turn the mRNA off. But there are things that we are finding very, very effective in decreasing the number of spike proteins that you have in your blood. There’s now a commercially available test, blood test, to be able to check your antibody level, how many antibodies you have in your blood against the spike protein, which is a direct reflection of how much spike protein you have. So there’s now a commercially available test. You can get it at LabCorp or Quest and find out. And if your levels are sky high, you might want to think about taking one of the preparations that include some very simple things like natokinase and bromelain and cucurbitin that help to eliminate the spike proteins. Again, I’m not suggesting that people live in fear, but you need to be aware if you did take one or more of these that you are at continued risk, and particularly young males. We are seeing evidence that they can continue to develop myocarditis, develop cardiac injury, way down the road from having gotten these shots. It remains to be seen whether or not we will continue to witness these huge fertility issues, blood clots, neurologic complications, immune suppression, and on and on. I am hopeful that over time, we will come up with either a better way to help people eradicate either these toxic spikes from their body or the best case scenario, somehow reverse or turn off the mRNA, give it the stop command, which we don’t know of yet. But there are some things out there that you can do. And there are many different sources, including the group that used to be the frontline COVID care doctors. And I’m associated with the wellness company. We have a number of things. I work with Dr. Peter McCullough. And we’ve got a number of different preparations. to help people, but I would take it seriously without suggesting that people live in fear.
SPEAKER 15 :
Awesome. Our always goes by fast. Again, Dr. Kelly, thank you, thank you, thank you. I can’t say that enough. Our listeners do the same. We appreciate it greatly, and we’ll talk again next week, but have a great rest of your week, and thank you again for all you do for us.
SPEAKER 06 :
Thank you. I’ll see you next week.
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And we are back. Thanks for joining us today again. Rush to Reason, Denver’s Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560. And I’ve got a couple text messages in not concerning Dr. Kelly. I’ll get those answered as quickly as I can here as we go to our break here at the top of the hour. We will be back, though. We have two hours remaining, of course. Still a lot to cover. Jersey Joe will join me at 5 o’clock. Eric Weir, he is a financial guru. He’s going to join me next, so don’t go anywhere. Hour number two is next. Rush to Reason, Denver’s Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560.
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