HR3 Denver’s Future Landmark? Broncos Reveal Bold Stadium Plan. Could it Redefine Downtown? 9-9-25 by John Rush
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And we are back. Rush to Reason, Denver’s Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560. Myself, Andy Pape. And no, we are not a sports show, so we might take a little different angle to this particular story because we are not a sports show, although we do talk sports and do different things because we have the knowledge and ability to do so. But today, Bronco owners Greg Penner and Kerry Walton Penner joined in announcing historic Burnham Yard in the heart of Denver as the preferred site I guess maybe a key word there, preferred site for a privately funded retractable roof stadium anchoring a dynamic mixed-use district. Thoughts, Andy?
SPEAKER 04 :
Awful, awful, awful decision. Now, the decision to make that facility is great.
SPEAKER 11 :
Thank you. I agree with that.
SPEAKER 04 :
I’m all for it. Oh, yeah, that’s going to get them a Super Bowl. Correct. Because then you don’t have to worry about the weather, and then you can bring the Super Bowl here to Denver. But, guys, you don’t make it. What, is this going to be I-25 and 6th?
SPEAKER 11 :
Basically, it’s kind of in that particular area.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah, the bottom line, John, is that you’re totally landlocked. You cannot add lanes. You can’t do anything to get better access. The one word you want is access. And if you had built this at, say, the south end of Town and Lone Tree or out toward the airport, like just north of I-70… You could have built a zillion lanes and had easy access, not just for the football games, but for your entire entertainment district. You could have, because if you’re talking an entertainment district, my gosh, think about the traffic that’s going to go through there. So now what he has just done is guaranteed that that part of Denver, anytime they have any kind of an event, is going to be tied in knots. Terrible decision. You’re landlocked. You can’t add lanes.
SPEAKER 11 :
Yeah, you’re basically, and I’m with Andy, you look at where that’s going to go, and it’s not far from the current location, which I don’t know how in the world they even make all of that work, and could you take the existing stadium and still end up with some parking? I mean, as anybody that’s been into a Denver game knows. Well, they’ll make plenty of parking, but how do you get there? Well, that’s the biggest issue is, A, how do you get there? How do you, you know, how do you get rid of the log jam that already exists on a particular, you know, day from the Broncos anyways? How do you, you know, how do you relieve some of the stress on game days?
SPEAKER 04 :
Well, John, look at what they already did in the mistake and how they redid the sixth and I-25 interchange. Okay. Remember what they did with that?
SPEAKER 11 :
Oh, yeah.
SPEAKER 04 :
Going west, it’s ridiculous. They made it more of a log jam than it was before. I mean, how stupid is that? So they’ve already they’ve already redesigned that. So they’re not going to do it again. They’ve already redesigned that and made it worse. OK, and now they’re going to put a stadium next to it.
SPEAKER 11 :
I mean, here’s the thing. I guess if you’re one of those owners that has some of that industrial property around there, you know what? You just got a little bit wealthier today. Well, that’s true. Because eventually you’re not going to be owning that piece of property around there.
SPEAKER 04 :
Okay, but hypothetically, let’s say that they – I don’t care. Pick one. Shall we –
SPEAKER 11 :
Yeah, Charlie said they’ve already been buying a property over the years. But even some of those holdouts, those that have held on. And by the way, even some of the ancillary stuff that’s around that area, knowing some of the food and other things that will come in and get changed around and so on. Oh, yeah, you just got richer today.
SPEAKER 04 :
John, it’s all going to be gorgeous. Don’t get me wrong. I think they’re going to churn that area. I could tell you what Green Bay has done. They’ve got a thing called the Titletown District. And as you know, the team… is basically almost unlimited in their funding and so they just keep buying up blocks around lambo and have turned the entire thing into one big green bay packer district and it’s beautiful and they’ll do something similar to that and it’s wonderful and they’ll have the entertainment but how do you get people in and out of it is my biggest question that’s the problem access to me i looked at this part of it as far as because i’m with you yes those that are in charge let’s face it
SPEAKER 11 :
They almost have unlimited money as well. Right, they do. Pretty darn close.
SPEAKER 04 :
Oh, yeah.
SPEAKER 11 :
And at the end of the day, will they make this work and will it actually be functional and will it make money? Yes, my biggest concern.
SPEAKER 05 :
But it would have been anywhere.
SPEAKER 11 :
Yeah, they would have anywhere. That’s exactly right. My biggest concern in this location is how are you going to get good access in and out and not have everything all log jam on game days?
SPEAKER 04 :
You can’t. You can’t. They will fail. It will not work. I’m with you. The facility and everything else and the district itself is going to be fantastic. Wonderful. I applaud. But it would have been exactly the same if they had put it north of I-70 out toward the airport.
SPEAKER 11 :
Or way south like they talked about.
SPEAKER 04 :
Or way south like they talked about down Lone Tree. Either way, I love both locations. Let’s take Lone Tree.
SPEAKER 11 :
This was my least favorite location.
SPEAKER 04 :
Oh, by far. Let’s take Lone Tree, okay? You already have lots of lanes. You already have wide open access, okay? You have two major highways converging right there, okay? Plus major streets with Lincoln and Ridgeway. You’ve got these major streets. And by the way, these are streets you can expand.
SPEAKER 11 :
Right.
SPEAKER 04 :
They are all in places where you can add lanes each way for both Lincoln or Ridgeway. You can add lanes easily. You can add lanes going north and south. You can add lanes on E and C-470 approaching, not C so much, but E-470 approaching, which would be coming from the airport for opposing teams. I’m telling you. You could add everything you need and make access fantastic. And, oh, by the way, you’ve got more land there, John.
SPEAKER 11 :
Right. And for those of you that maybe aren’t familiar with that particular area, you’re not near a map right now where you can see it. This is basically the area that is east of I-25, south of Colfax, and north of 6th Avenue. That’s the area that we’re talking about. That’s the Burnham Yard area. Right. Meaning, Colfax, which is already a disaster. Sorry, but it is.
SPEAKER 04 :
It is.
SPEAKER 11 :
6th Avenue, already a disaster. Totally.
SPEAKER 04 :
I-25, already a disaster.
SPEAKER 11 :
In that particular area, already a disaster. That’s where everything already backs up. Those of you that are traveling right now and me listening to us right now on the radio, if you’re on I-25 anywhere near that area, you already know what a big disaster it already is.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah. You come south off 70 and you have to decide, do I go on 38th or do I go down on 25th? It’s a mess. They call it the mousetrap for a reason.
SPEAKER 11 :
And now come further south and add all of that in with 6th Avenue and Colfax. It’s a disaster. Terribly stupid. I have no idea how they’re going to work around adding on-offs and getting in and out. And maybe there’s a master plan I haven’t seen, and maybe that makes sense at the end of the day. I don’t know, but I highly doubt that’s all been figured out.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah, and John, I don’t want to hear people say, well, they vote, but they have to because they’ve already been buying up all this property. You didn’t have to. You could have bought property at either of the other two locations.
SPEAKER 11 :
The biggest thing that you’d have to ask is how much money has the city of Denver agreed to stick into this, and is there some incentive there?
SPEAKER 04 :
Hey, north of 70 is Denver. Okay, out toward the airport is Denver, so they could have done it anyway. It wouldn’t matter.
SPEAKER 11 :
You could have done it even up towards, you know, Pena Boulevard in that area. Yes, you could have.
SPEAKER 04 :
And then again, what about Aurora out that area or Lone Tree? You don’t think that they would have invested and put forth a project if you wanted?
SPEAKER 11 :
I think they would have, yes.
SPEAKER 04 :
Lone Tree is rich. Okay, Lone Tree has money. They burn money to warm their food.
SPEAKER 11 :
The only other reason I could think of, and I was trying to get Richard to call in, but he’s got some things going on, so he couldn’t. But the only other thing that I was thinking that might be why they’ve picked this area versus some other area is… This is almost a stone’s throw away from where the other family member is doing a ball arena and all of the area around it. So is there a little bit of a contest going on right now in that regard, Andy? That would be more of a question.
SPEAKER 04 :
Well, gee, that’s real neat. You’re going to have a contest. Who cares? You don’t have more access.
SPEAKER 11 :
I have no idea. I don’t know whether that’s the case or not, but you have to wonder, is that part of the – because for those of you that maybe don’t know, the way this is going to work is you’re going to have a big, huge event center-driven area around Ball Arena that will be just to the north of where now the Bronco Stadium is being proposed to be built.
SPEAKER 04 :
Right. And will they pack it?
SPEAKER 11 :
All on, by the way, all on the east side of I-25 where right now the stadium’s on the west side. Right.
SPEAKER 04 :
And will they pack it with people and have it be as successful? Of course. Obviously, it’s the Broncos.
SPEAKER 11 :
It’s the Broncos. They’re always going to be successful.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah. John. That’s why they bought the team. As I keep reminding people, you know, I come from the Midwest, and you’ve got the team in Wisconsin, the team in Michigan, two teams in Ohio, the team in Illinois. You see where I’m going with this? You’ve got one team here in a four- to five-state region. Oh, yeah. It’s regional.
SPEAKER 11 :
Absolutely.
SPEAKER 04 :
Okay. So you have a total monopoly. It’s a great place to put a team, to buy a team, and they were right to do it.
SPEAKER 11 :
Yes.
SPEAKER 04 :
So for crying out loud, take the open area. What are you, nuts? This is easy.
SPEAKER 11 :
I think so as well.
SPEAKER 04 :
They could have. Everything they’re doing now. You tell me this, John. Everything they’re going to do down there, which is going to be glorious, okay?
SPEAKER 11 :
It’ll change the whole area, no doubt.
SPEAKER 04 :
Oh, totally. Could they not have done that in the other two locations? Easily. They could have done it easier.
SPEAKER 11 :
I think easier, Andy.
SPEAKER 04 :
Oh, much easier.
SPEAKER 11 :
Yes.
SPEAKER 04 :
You have tons more land, okay, and you’ve got way more access. And you’ve got way more ability to add lanes for even better access, which you can’t do where you are.
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All right, we are back. Several of you texting in also that there are some ballot measures and things like that that are coming up that very easily could coincide with what we are talking about. Now, one other thing Charlie mentioned to us during the break, which we didn’t just, you know, just honestly didn’t really get to it, didn’t think about it, is the whole light rail end of things. It’s already there. It’s already built. They don’t have to do anything. It literally runs right through that exact area.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah, first of all, anything of this magnitude, wherever you put it, you can run light rail right to it. Secondly, if you put it in an area where you don’t need light rail to go there because you can open up the parking and open up access, I got news for you. Virtually nobody would take light rail to it. They wouldn’t want to. People want to drive if they can. They’re going to take light rail down to this place because they have to, because they want to avoid the traffic.
SPEAKER 11 :
For me personally, if I could avoid… Driving and parking, because it’s so awful right now, I would just because of the extreme hassle factor.
SPEAKER 04 :
Okay, but think about that for a moment, John. You don’t like taking light rail. You don’t want to take light rail. You would actually be willing to take light rail to do something you really don’t want to do because the access is so bad.
SPEAKER 11 :
Yes, because of the mess.
SPEAKER 04 :
Okay, what does that say?
SPEAKER 11 :
It’s a mess.
SPEAKER 04 :
Then put it where it is in a mess.
SPEAKER 11 :
Yeah, unfortunately.
SPEAKER 04 :
This is not rocket science.
SPEAKER 11 :
Unfortunately, you and I are not in charge.
SPEAKER 04 :
No, we are.
SPEAKER 11 :
And I was fearful that with all of the rumors about them buying, as Charlie said, buying up all the land and everything around there, my fear was this is what was going to happen. By the way, the other thing I think is here, and most likely there’s been some behind-the-scenes talks, I guarantee you Denver’s deal is much sweeter here than their other deal would be, even if it’s still inside Denver city limits, because Denver needs this to keep downtown from going away.
SPEAKER 04 :
Right, because if they don’t do this, downtown is going to die. Right.
SPEAKER 11 :
It’s already on that way. Or it’s already going that way, as I should say.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah, in my opinion, let it die. I’m a survival of the fittest guy when it comes to these cities. Look, Denver, you’ve run your place terribly. You’ve got crime everywhere. It’s a mess down there. You have terrible access. You didn’t add lanes when you could have. And you should have added a lot more lanes with T-Rex. And you know you should have. You underbuilt. And so the way I look at it is this. Hey, too bad. If I were Aurora or if I were Lone Tree and Castle Rock, because that’s what you’re talking about is those two jurisdictions. If I were Douglas County, Lone Tree and Castle Rock, I would have come through with a big offer and said, no, baby, you want to be out here.
SPEAKER 11 :
Can’t argue that. At any rate, we will see how it goes. And to Andy’s point, here’s the one plus side the Broncos owners have going for them, and they know this. no matter where they put it, it’s not going to fail. No, no. Because it’s the Broncos. On any game day, you know, we have, most of you, maybe you know this, I don’t know if most of you do, the Broncos themselves, I don’t know by how much, but have the longest record for sellout games in the NFL.
SPEAKER 04 :
I don’t know about that.
SPEAKER 11 :
Oh, yes, they do.
SPEAKER 04 :
I mean, Lambeau has been sold out forever.
SPEAKER 11 :
Well, so has Denver. That’s the plus side to it. In fact, with Lambeau, they do the whole stats throughout the game. This is how many no-shows there were, blah, blah, blah. Of course, they all get booed because nobody thinks there should be any no-shows whatsoever. Even though the stadium at times may not look super full, people still bought every ticket.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah. I mean, in Lambeau, they pass them down to their kids.
SPEAKER 11 :
Correct. Yeah. Well, that’s even changed inside of the Denver.
SPEAKER 04 :
It’s actually part of Will’s.
SPEAKER 11 :
Yeah, you can only do that in the Denver Broncos end of things if it’s a direct blood relative. I don’t know how Green Bay does it, but you can’t just will them to your nephew even or your brother-in-law.
SPEAKER 04 :
I don’t know. I think it’s pretty loosey-goosey back there. But the fact is they do keep it in the family. People look at their Lambeau seats as absolute treasure.
SPEAKER 11 :
And here’s the same. That is the one thing that they both have in common.
SPEAKER 04 :
John, I’m 62.
SPEAKER 11 :
The longest active NFL home sellout streak belongs to the Denver Broncos who have sold out every home game since 1970. Okay. Huh. Okay. So, yes, they are, in fact, the longest sellout team, meaning it’s going to work.
SPEAKER 04 :
That surprises me because I would have thought not just Lambeau. I would have thought the Bears, Steelers, a lot of these teams, it would just go back forever. But, okay, anyway, bottom line is this. Denver is the only team in a several-state region.
SPEAKER 11 :
Yes, and that’s why, to your point, we’re a regional team. That’s why the sellout is also there. Right. 441 consecutive games, including playoffs.
SPEAKER 04 :
Okay. Okay.
SPEAKER 11 :
There you go. Del is up next. Del, what are your thoughts? Go ahead.
SPEAKER 07 :
How are you doing, John? I’m good. Back in the day at the old stadium, my dad was involved in building that south stair, you know, that moved.
SPEAKER 11 :
Yes.
SPEAKER 07 :
And back then, back when we had a newspaper called the Rocky Mountain News, they did an article on what Denver was charging for. for per game on that stadium and they let it go to heck in a handbasket. But back then they were getting over a hundred thousand per game for the stadium. Plus they were getting, uh, they got the entire, they had that 50 cent head tax. They got all of that and they got 45% of the concessions. Okay. I mean, that’s a lot of money. Yeah, it is. Absolutely. Especially back then.
SPEAKER 11 :
Yeah, absolutely. Yes.
SPEAKER 07 :
And it’s, you know, the only thing Denver’s good at is designing crappy highways or whatever. I mean, look at C-470s. I mean, I’ve ridden, I’ve driven on.
SPEAKER 11 :
And I always say this, too. It’s not even 470. It’s 370 because it doesn’t go all the way around.
SPEAKER 07 :
Yeah, but it was 270 from 36 to 70.
SPEAKER 11 :
I know, and I get it. We call it 470, but my whole point is it’s never been finished, so it’s still 370, not 470. A 4 means it goes all the way around the city. Ours does not.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah, but the highway system near the—and I’ve been saying this—the access is ridiculous. You go to Dallas— Oh, jeez, Andy. No comparison. You can basically double the number of lanes.
SPEAKER 11 :
There’s no comparison.
SPEAKER 04 :
And that’s how many lanes they have.
SPEAKER 11 :
Dallas, Houston, any of those places.
SPEAKER 04 :
Oh, yeah, yeah. No comparison.
SPEAKER 11 :
Yeah.
SPEAKER 07 :
Or you take 270 there at Vasquez. That’s the most ill-designed piece of crap.
SPEAKER 11 :
Oh, jeez. I just want to shoot myself when I drive down there, ever. It’s awful.
SPEAKER 07 :
It’s terrible. Yeah, I mean, the way they’ve got it designed, you can drive worse for dirt roads if you Correct.
SPEAKER 11 :
You are correct.
SPEAKER 07 :
Yeah. And they wasted our tax money to design that stuff. They’d have been better if they went down to Larmer Street at the time and bought a couple of cases of wine and gave it to the winos and have them design it.
SPEAKER 04 :
I’ve had to hire an actual Indian guide to drive with me when I go through there. There you go. It’s horrible. 270 in Vasquez is absolutely awful.
SPEAKER 11 :
Great points, Del. Great points. Appreciate you. As always, Del, thank you very much. And I did find the answer to the Green Bay Packers. Green Bay Packers’ sellout streak at Lambeau Field dates back to 1959. However, until 1995, the Packers played some of their home games in Milwaukee because a small number of those Milwaukee games did not sell out. The Broncos hold the record for the longest continuous streak within a single city because they didn’t sell out some of those games at that time, which I did not know, by the way.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah, they would have one or two games a year at Milwaukee.
SPEAKER 11 :
And because of that, they didn’t sell those out.
SPEAKER 1 :
Okay.
SPEAKER 11 :
Which makes no sense. Which, okay, why? Why did they not sell? Because it wasn’t at Lambeau Field? Right. And they didn’t sell out because of that.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yes.
SPEAKER 11 :
Interesting.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah, I didn’t think of that.
SPEAKER 11 :
I did not know that.
SPEAKER 04 :
It’s been so many years since they’ve done that.
SPEAKER 11 :
Well, it’s 95. It’s been a long time ago.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah. Brett Favre at one point said that they should actually have more seating there. He wanted games at Lambeau, in Madison, and in Milwaukee, and he wanted to call the team the Wisconsin Packers.
SPEAKER 11 :
oh so the green bay yeah that was never gonna fly though no but but it’s kind of fun it’s not gonna fly yeah that would never fly they’re the green bay packers that’s not gonna ever change anyway you’re gonna have a lot of traffic jams downtown um yeah um i guess the only other plus side that might come out of this is depending upon how they actually do some things and what they could actually design you know could could could it improve um
SPEAKER 04 :
Where would you add lanes?
SPEAKER 11 :
I don’t know, but let me just say this. I will give them credit where credit’s due. You’ve got to realize that the ownership group, these are not dumb people. No, they are not. They are extremely smart, wise individuals, so we will see how that all shakes out knowing that. You’re right. We will see because, man, with those guys, almost anything’s possible. Yeah, and I will – I mean, this was not my favorite choice by any means, and I’ve expressed why so has Andy. I also, though, because of who owns the team and their success in doing lots of other things, will I give them the benefit of the doubt? I think I have to right now.
SPEAKER 04 :
Fair enough.
SPEAKER 11 :
I don’t know what everybody else in town is saying, but that’s how I’m going to look at it because you have to – history has a way of repeating itself, and they’ve had good success in the past.
SPEAKER 04 :
But I’m not a Bronco fan, so I’ll just judge it from the outside.
SPEAKER 11 :
And I’ll be mean and nasty. As a Bronco fan, you know my feeling. As a Bronco fan, I still think it’s the worst choice of the three. I’ll just go out and say that. But I’m not on the inside. I don’t know them. I don’t know what their big plans are and so on. I’m sure we’ll see this happen as time goes by. Personally, I just want that retractable roof sooner than later.
SPEAKER 04 :
Oh, yeah. Well, you’re going to get that. We always knew you were going to get that. That was never in doubt.
SPEAKER 11 :
Sooner than later. And I know there’s some old diehard fans that don’t want that. Sorry, you’re missing.
SPEAKER 04 :
Well, no, you can’t get a Super Bowl. That’s why we haven’t had one at Lambeau.
SPEAKER 11 :
That’s right.
SPEAKER 04 :
And there’s talk, by the way, of Lambeau possibly getting one.
SPEAKER 11 :
Really? Mm-hmm. Will they build a whole new stadium to do that or just put a roof on what’s there?
SPEAKER 04 :
You can put a roof on what’s there. Actually, Lambeau is very cutting edge. The turf they have there is really impressive stuff.
SPEAKER 11 :
Field’s all heated and all that, right?
SPEAKER 04 :
It’s a heated field, and it’s also a synthetic mixed with real grass turf.
SPEAKER 11 :
Similar to what CU had.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah, only better.
SPEAKER 11 :
Interesting.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah, it’s really, really impressive. And by the way, CU has great stuff.
SPEAKER 11 :
Well, they just check all that out and put turf back in, put AstroTurf back in.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah, no.
SPEAKER 11 :
I like the other stuff.
SPEAKER 04 :
Green Bay isn’t doing that. Green Bay, their turf is some of the most expensive in the league. But they got so much. That’s why they got the best training facilities. They got the best everything because they got so much money to spend.
SPEAKER 11 :
Right.
SPEAKER 04 :
But it’s kind of funny. Up in this little town that’s smaller than Fort Collins, they have their own NFL team.
SPEAKER 11 :
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SPEAKER 04 :
And welcome back to Rush to Reason, Denver’s Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560. John, I got an idea.
SPEAKER 11 :
Yes.
SPEAKER 04 :
Because when they move, you still got them power fields.
SPEAKER 11 :
You still got the old crappy… Yeah, it is a crappy stadium.
SPEAKER 04 :
Well, it’s becoming that. It is.
SPEAKER 11 :
I mean, they spent $100 million on it, so they did some upgrades. But somebody texted me this, and they’re correct. When that was originally built, keep in mind, Pat Bolin did not have the pockets… that the current ownership group has. So it’s by no means one of the most stellar stadiums out there.
SPEAKER 04 :
Okay, I’m going to tell you what I think they should make it into. They won’t, but a new ice detention facility.
SPEAKER 11 :
I was going to say homeless shelters, one of the two.
SPEAKER 04 :
Well, you know, you could split it, okay? But I think that what we need is instead of alligator Alcatraz, we can have Empower Alcatraz and have it right here in Denver and have the best ice detention facility in the entire country. What do you think?
SPEAKER 11 :
You know, that’s not half bad.
SPEAKER 04 :
Ice agents running 40-yard dashes. What do you think?
SPEAKER 11 :
It’s not that far out of the question. So Empower Field at Mile High, which was built in 2001. So I got a text message in that somebody says, a lot of comments on social media saying the existing stadium isn’t that old. It’s almost – by the time the new one gets built, it will be well over 25 years old. Yes, anybody – well, it’s not this person saying that, but anybody on social media, if you’re saying it’s not that old, you’re a dodo head. You have no idea what you’re talking about. Right. As far as stadiums go, Andy, it’s old. It’s tired.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah, and even some of the other stadiums that are really old, obviously Lambeau is very, very, very old, but they have renovated it so many times with so much money that it’s beautiful. And you can say the same thing with the Boston Red Sox, right? A lot of these old stadiums have so much money pumped into them, which have not been pumped into Empower. Yeah.
SPEAKER 11 :
No, because the last ownership group didn’t have the ability to do that. Again, like I said, they just pumped $100 million in, and I go there. They’ve made some improvements, although the foundation of the stadium didn’t change. Some of the technology, scoreboard, things like that actually changed. But as far as the actual, you go, you sit in the seat, and so on, that hasn’t changed, folks, in 25 years. So people out there that are on social media saying it’s not that old, what do you consider old? I mean, a facility that’s 25 years old that gets used the way it does is old, Andy.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah, in this day and age. Especially if you’re not pumping in big-time money like some places that, you know, Wrigley Field has to be Wrigley Field forever.
SPEAKER 11 :
Because it’s Wrigley Field. Right. Like Lambeau. It has to be Lambeau forever. Exactly. That’ll never change.
SPEAKER 04 :
And because of that, they pump a huge amount of money into updating it, upgrading it, and so forth. They weren’t going to do that with this one because it wasn’t meant to be forever. It’s going to be an ice facility. That’s what it needs to be, John, an ICE detention facility.
SPEAKER 11 :
I mean, there is something to be said about what do they do with that area. And here’s where it’s interesting as well. This is my guess. The reason why they haven’t looked at doing anything on the west side is because there’s a ton more residential and folks that you’re going to have to deal with on the west side to make any kind of expansions at the current location versus going to the east side, which is virtually all commercial.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah, it’s all skyscrapers and restaurants.
SPEAKER 11 :
Totally different from one side to the other. And now here’s what’s going to happen. There’s a lot of people that own residences on that west side off of Federal that make bank every single time there’s a game because they’ll charge $50, $75, $100 a pop for parking.
SPEAKER 04 :
Right.
SPEAKER 11 :
That’s going to go bye-bye.
SPEAKER 04 :
Oh, yeah.
SPEAKER 11 :
Those people better cash in here fairly quickly as they can because that parking arrangement is going to go away. That includes concerts, other things where there might be parking needed as well.
SPEAKER 04 :
Are these places fairly trashy or are they nice? Is that a mix?
SPEAKER 11 :
The homes?
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah. In that area.
SPEAKER 11 :
I don’t want to sound derogatory, but I wouldn’t live there.
SPEAKER 04 :
Well, okay, yeah. I probably wouldn’t either. I do remember, as you know, I was in the Air Force. I helped close down Lowry. We were just closing it down when I left.
SPEAKER 11 :
Okay.
SPEAKER 04 :
Afterward, a lot of people thought Lowry was going to become a real dive. Instead, it’s gorgeous.
SPEAKER 11 :
Oh, they did the opposite. Absolutely.
SPEAKER 04 :
Right.
SPEAKER 11 :
And it’s a really nice area.
SPEAKER 04 :
I’ll say that. Exactly. So my question is, maybe Empower could be turned into a beautiful area.
SPEAKER 11 :
Well, as long as… As long as, this is my fear.
SPEAKER 04 :
Okay.
SPEAKER 11 :
I’m being legit here, folks. I know we made fun of, you know, they can make homeless camps and ICE facilities. Seriously, though.
SPEAKER 04 :
No, those are good ideas, too.
SPEAKER 11 :
As long as it does, because here’s the thing. As long as it doesn’t become all Section 8 housing, which then means it is ICE, detention centers, and homeless. Because that’s what Section 8 typically becomes, Andy. Right. Being honest. As long as it doesn’t all become Section 8, yes, you could have the opportunity to upgrade that whole entire area. My gut feeling, though, is this is the city of Denver. Guess what’s going to go in there? Section 8 housing.
SPEAKER 04 :
Really?
SPEAKER 11 :
Think about it. Charlie, would you agree with me on that? They’ll take the old stadium area when it’s all said and done. Unless there’s some grand idea, it’ll become low-income Section 8 affordable slash housing. Yeah. Keyword affordable, Charlie just said.
SPEAKER 04 :
Okay. And they may do that, but just hypothetically, what if they don’t? Because it seems to me the west side of the highway needs more of what the east side has. What if you have, you put in nice housing, you do like Stapleton or Lowry did, okay? You put in really nice housing and upscale restaurants, the whole thing, and make it nice. And make it a place where, let’s face it, some people who want to throw a few dollars around want to be.
SPEAKER 11 :
Well, the only way that’s going to happen.
SPEAKER 04 :
You’ve got wealthy people who would love to live in a really nice place right next to downtown.
SPEAKER 11 :
The only way that’s going to happen is if the Denver Metropolitan District, which owns all of that right now. Right. Keep in mind, the Broncos just leased that. The Denver Metropolitan District actually owns that entire area.
SPEAKER 04 :
And they’re wacko.
SPEAKER 11 :
And they’re absolute nut jobs. Unless they decide to just sell it and have a developer come in and do it, if they stay in charge, lights out, Andy. It’s a done deal.
SPEAKER 04 :
I agree.
SPEAKER 11 :
It’s all over.
SPEAKER 04 :
And that’s too bad because I think a developer should come in and do exactly what we just described. Because I’m telling you what, John, those skyscrapers downtown, there are some very wealthy people who work in them. My wife works in them. She’s not one of the wealthy ones.
SPEAKER 11 :
No, but to your point, there’s a lot of them that are.
SPEAKER 04 :
They would love to have their gorgeous place nearby.
SPEAKER 11 :
So back when that deal was done, really quick, which I had to refresh my memory, the deal between the Broncos and the state of Colorado called for the team to pay for 25% of the estimated cost of the $400 million, while the state would pay the other 75%. Part of the agreement stipulated that the Metropolitan Football Stadium District, the MFSD, would collect half of the 10-year, $120 million naming rights with Invesco funds upon sports authority’s bankruptcy. The Broncos agreed to pay the MFSD $3.6 million to assume ownership of the naming rights of the stadium. So, to our point, unless… something major happens and they decide to just sell all of that off, if they stay in charge of it like any other governmental organization does, it’ll be a disaster. Sorry, it’ll just be a disaster. It won’t work. They’ll do exactly what we’re talking about. They will turn it into the slums of the west side of I-25.
SPEAKER 04 :
Well, what they should do then is do the Section 8 and then use one of the tunnels where the players normally come out. But at the other end of the tunnel, you can have my ICE facility.
SPEAKER 11 :
Well, yeah, and along the way… It’s a time saver. And along the way in the tunnel, you could have the needle swap program and everything else going on while you’re there. Sorry, I’m being bad.
SPEAKER 04 :
But you’re being honest. It is so sad. I mean, basically, you’re talking that they’re going to want to— Save injection sites is what I meant to say. Yeah, you’re talking they’re going to want to recreate Portland down there. And you know what? They might.
SPEAKER 11 :
My feeling is, Andy, maybe the best way to do it is they just leave the stadium as is. The homeless can come in, and for a good spot, you get the field. But everywhere else, you’ve got to figure out if you’re going to park out on the ramp or you’re going to be in one of the chairs and just sleep overnight in a chair. What are you going to do when it’s all said and done? Because you’ve got all sorts of room there where you can just put the homeless. You just have this entire Denver Bronco old stadium homeless area.
SPEAKER 04 :
They’d be fighting over the, you know… Charlie’s left hand. Over the boots.
SPEAKER 11 :
They’d be fighting over… Am I making too much fun of the homeless? I’m sorry. But, you know, it would be a great place to put them all. They could even have… You know, all the food banks could just be the concession stands, Andy.
SPEAKER 04 :
There you go.
SPEAKER 11 :
Just have them all line up, get their beans and rice, whatever else they need. Serve them nachos, whatever.
SPEAKER 04 :
Look, the bottom line is it’s Denver. If the city is in charge of it, it will be wrecked.
SPEAKER 11 :
Now, you might be able to charge a little bit more for those folks that want to live inside the locker rooms. You could maybe charge those homeless people a little bit of a fee.
SPEAKER 04 :
I think you could.
SPEAKER 11 :
They could live in the locker room. Oh, John. Well, that’s the way. We’re making fun, but really, we’re not that far off because this is how the city of Denver thinks. What about the suites? What about the suites? Oh, the suites. Cool. I forgot about the suites, Andy. What’s going to be done with the suites? Oh, man. Oh, yeah. Homeless suites.
SPEAKER 04 :
Homeless suites. Denver will be the first city in the country with homeless suites.
SPEAKER 11 :
Okay, so who gets the naming rights when it’s all said and done? Hormel? Beans? I mean, who gets the naming rights? Hobo Alley. I’m not sure. Dollar Tree.
SPEAKER 03 :
Dollar Tree. Dollar Tree is going to get… Goodwill. Goodwill. Oh, man.
SPEAKER 11 :
Sorry. Oh, my gosh. You could go forever on this one.
SPEAKER 04 :
Oh, just the… Think of all the things you could do. I’m sorry. Just the visual of trash burning at the 50-yard line. I know.
SPEAKER 11 :
Barrels. Barrels. Tents. Oh, tents all across the field. It could just be tent city in the middle. That’s what I thought. It would be tent city in the middle.
SPEAKER 04 :
A massive tent city.
SPEAKER 11 :
You have a little bit of cash. You sold a few drugs. You did this or you did that. You might be able to upgrade to a suite or something. Yeah. To the homeless suite.
SPEAKER 04 :
The seating, what would you do with the seating?
SPEAKER 11 :
Oh, I’d just let them camp out there.
SPEAKER 04 :
So they could use the seating.
SPEAKER 11 :
They could just lay across it, you know, figure it out. They can lay on the ground or whatever. I mean, there’s enough room there. They’ll be all right.
SPEAKER 04 :
This is great. Yeah, but you see, here’s the sad thing, John. Denver’s mayor right now is listening and thinking. Not a bad idea, guys.
SPEAKER 11 :
These are pretty good ideas. Yeah, thanks, guys. Thanks for the ideas. I might use those. I’m taking that to city council. Mike’s like, hey, I’m on board.
SPEAKER 04 :
Thanks. And you’re not that far off. And you never have to have trash removal. You just burn it.
SPEAKER 11 :
It’s a great way to clean up downtown.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yes. All you do is burn all the trash.
SPEAKER 11 :
You shuttle them right on over. You could run a bus. Use RTD for something purposeful.
SPEAKER 03 :
There you go. RTD.
SPEAKER 11 :
Why would you rename it? Because it would be shuttling the homeless now. The regional homeless transportation. HTD? There you go, HTD. The Homeless Transportation District. Instead of RTD, it’s HTD. Oh, my word. You know, we can only make fun and laugh like this if it weren’t so far from the truth, Andy. I mean, that’s what’s so sad about this is it’s not far from the truth because that’s the way the city of Denver looks at things.
SPEAKER 04 :
This is the way they look at things, okay? If you’re going to turn it into a homeless alley anyway, just keep the stadium.
SPEAKER 11 :
It’s cheaper. Why not? It’s already there. It’s built. And you’ve got all that parking area you could camp them out in. Think of that. Think of all the parking. Just leave all of that. Leave it like it is. It’d be like tailgating all day long only for the homeless.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah. And those tents, those are kind of retractable.
SPEAKER 11 :
Yeah. It’s cutting edge. In fact, some guys that maybe want to upgrade their tent and go to the new stadium and tailgate there, they can just leave theirs behind. Yes. Oh, yeah. Oh, Charlie’s got a good idea. Put a big blue tarp over the top of the stadium.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah, do that. You know what? That’ll look really good. That won’t look ratty at all. That’s going to look nice.
SPEAKER 11 :
You know, it’s all lit up at night.
SPEAKER 04 :
Now, the smoke won’t get out when they’re burning trash. But you have to put holes in it.
SPEAKER 03 :
Oh, you’ve got to put holes in it. Now, you could turn the lights on at times. Okay, so now you’re driving by Empower down to I-25, and you see smoke coming out of the holes. Smoke coming out of the holes.
SPEAKER 11 :
You’ve got to give it some heat. You could even turn the lights on for some extra heat.
SPEAKER 04 :
And you’re seeing the smoke come out of the holes in the top of the tarp. That’s over Empower. And you’re thinking, I’m so proud to be in Denver.
SPEAKER 11 :
Absolutely. Absolutely. Be better, Denver. Be Better Denver. Isn’t that the Instagram thing?
SPEAKER 04 :
Do Better Denver.
SPEAKER 11 :
Do Better Denver. There you go. Do Better Denver. Do Better Denver. Well, we’ve got an idea for Do Better Denver. Just put them all at Invesco Field at Mile High.
SPEAKER 04 :
I just think those suites are going to be fought over.
SPEAKER 11 :
Oh, Empower. Sorry, not Empower. It’s not Invesco. It’s Empower. Empower Field. So we’re going to empower the homeless at Empower Field. Yes. You could even have training seminars. There’s places for that, and you could do all sorts of stuff, Andy. Yeah. I mean, seriously, this is not a bad idea.
SPEAKER 04 :
I know one thing no one will do. Mow.
SPEAKER 11 :
No, they’ll be smoking it.
SPEAKER 04 :
I know.
SPEAKER 11 :
Sorry.
SPEAKER 04 :
I guarantee you, here’s what I can absolutely guarantee you. That gorgeous field within one year will be full of weeds and dead.
SPEAKER 11 :
Yeah, you’re right about that. Okay, where would you park all the shopping carts?
SPEAKER 04 :
Well, those are in the tunnel where the players used to come out. Oh, okay, you were to roll them out of there. Yeah, it’s going to be rolled. It’s going to be like being at Sam’s or Costco. That’s where you’re going to have all the cards.
SPEAKER 11 :
Okay. I can see that.
SPEAKER 04 :
This totally works. This is a good idea.
SPEAKER 11 :
I think all of it does. Yeah. Seriously, I think the city of Denver could get on board with this, push this forward, and off we go. Clean up all of downtown in the process.
SPEAKER 04 :
John, the sad thing is they’re taking notes right now.
SPEAKER 11 :
In fact, Andy, seriously, since they’ve pushed the homeless out to all the suburbs, just invite them all back now.
SPEAKER 04 :
Oh, yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER 11 :
everything all in one fell swoop exactly bring them all back i was governor in fact maybe the way you should be running for governor of the state of colorado right now is to jump off of our idea this is great we can fix homelessness we’re just going to keep empower field we’re going to empower the homeless empower colorado empower the homeless and empower field so you haven’t got a tagline for it we’ll run on that for governor actually you know the suites those will be the dealers Oh, good idea.
SPEAKER 04 :
Because they got actual money.
SPEAKER 11 :
Well, those would be the safe injection sites.
SPEAKER 04 :
The safe injection sites and the dealers will live in the suites.
SPEAKER 11 :
Yeah, great idea. Oh, that’s totally good. And I’m serious about the concession stand. Just leave all of that and just run your soup lines out of that and call it good. Yeah, that’s good. You need to team up with Denver Rescue Mission and make this happen.
SPEAKER 04 :
Okay, we’ve got a good plan here.
SPEAKER 11 :
In fact, Denver Rescue Mission could have like, I don’t know, give them five or six suites on their own.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah.
SPEAKER 11 :
Let them handle some of that.
SPEAKER 04 :
I actually like them.
SPEAKER 11 :
I do, too.
SPEAKER 03 :
So let’s help them out. I’m afraid Empower wouldn’t look too good within a few months.
SPEAKER 11 :
With a cross?
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah.
SPEAKER 11 :
Okay, what do you do? Last question before we move on. What do you do with the big screen? What do you play for them?
SPEAKER 04 :
Oh, my.
SPEAKER 11 :
Because you’ve got two of these big, huge screens that you could play movies and stuff for them. So what do you play?
SPEAKER 04 :
We’re going to have to think about that at break. I do not know.
SPEAKER 11 :
You’ve got to have something to play for them so that they’ve got some entertainment.
SPEAKER 04 :
For a homeowner?
SPEAKER 11 :
For a homeless hobo in Vesco, what’s going to be the entertainment on the big screen? So some of you text me, what would you play? Or you can call in either way. What do you play on the big screen when we have all the homeless living in Power Field?
SPEAKER 16 :
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SPEAKER 11 :
Okay, for naming rights. Yes. Somebody mentioned it could be a port-a-potty company. I like that. I just looked up who makes, you know, tarps, and it’s like the Tarp Supply Company, Inc., and Tarps Plus, and so on. Now, Andy had a great idea. You could also get, like, Easy Up, who’s the tent people. Yeah. They could sponsor it.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah, and then have the suites be for Easy Shoot Up.
SPEAKER 11 :
There you go.
SPEAKER 04 :
Now, really quick here before we go to Dennis. I have decided on the big screens, I want old Jerry Springer episodes looped forever.
SPEAKER 11 :
Him, Maury Povich, and some other guy.
SPEAKER 04 :
Maury Povich, you are not the father.
SPEAKER 11 :
There we go. It works. Dennis, you’re next.
SPEAKER 17 :
Well, John, you know, the homeless tend to like… fiction, right?
SPEAKER 11 :
Okay.
SPEAKER 17 :
So what you could do is play job training videos on the big screen.
SPEAKER 04 :
Oh, good one. Good one. I don’t know. I don’t want to cause a riot. Oh, jeez.
SPEAKER 03 :
We don’t need that.
SPEAKER 11 :
So the one question I did have, Dennis, is what do most homeless people own that you’d have as a major anchor sponsor?
SPEAKER 18 :
Their shopping carts.
SPEAKER 11 :
Okay.
SPEAKER 04 :
Shopping carts, tents.
SPEAKER 11 :
Tents and sleeping bags, right?
SPEAKER 04 :
Sleeping bags.
SPEAKER 11 :
Okay.
SPEAKER 18 :
Tents, yeah.
SPEAKER 11 :
Okay. All right.
SPEAKER 18 :
Or their favorite brand of marijuana.
SPEAKER 11 :
Well, that would work, too.
SPEAKER 18 :
Oh, a dispensary.
SPEAKER 11 :
Yes. Although most of theirs probably come on the black market, not through a dispensary. Well, that’s true. Cartels would have to sponsor that one, then.
SPEAKER 04 :
Oh, well, yeah. Maybe the cartels can have naming rights.
SPEAKER 11 :
You know, again, Dennis, if it weren’t so sad, everything we’re talking about, it’d be true. Because the reality is Denver is not far off of what we’re talking about.
SPEAKER 18 :
Or if they want a real sponsor, how about the city of Denver and the state of Colorado? Well, that was my thought.
SPEAKER 11 :
Well, my thought is, you know, you just let, you know, tell all of the other areas that, you know, the homeless are welcome here. And, you know, again, empower the homeless and empower field.
SPEAKER 04 :
It’s where you get your SNAP benefits.
SPEAKER 11 :
Right, exactly. Come on in.
SPEAKER 1 :
That would work.
SPEAKER 11 :
There we go. Dennis, as always, appreciate you.
SPEAKER 04 :
That was a great idea.
SPEAKER 11 :
Yeah. I mean, at the end of the day, I see no downside to this whatsoever, Andy. It’s already paid for. Reality is you spend a lot of money on homeless already. I mean, what has the bill been, Charlie, for the city of Denver on the homeless in the last year? $40 million or something they’ve spent on them? Or is it more than that? Oh, Charlie said hundreds of millions. So between hotel purchases and all of that kind of stuff, it’s hundreds of millions. So we’d save them money, actually, Andy.
SPEAKER 04 :
I just want films up on the big screen of the two girls fighting and screaming at each other because she slept with her boyfriend. Great idea.
SPEAKER 11 :
Girls Gone Wild.
SPEAKER 04 :
No, that’s more upscale. I’m talking more reality. Here’s the thing.
SPEAKER 11 :
You could record daily and just put that up there and call it Homeless Gone Wild. Homeless Gone Wild. Just play what happens in the camp all day long. All right. One last break. My Litecoin is up next. And you may want to turn some of your collection. It may not even be what you consider a collection, but just the things you’ve accumulated over the years. You may want to turn that into cash. Free appraisals, by the way, for KLZ Rush to Reason listeners. 720-370-3400.
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We don’t yell at you. We inform you. Now, back to Rush to Reason.
SPEAKER 11 :
All right, Andy and I are back, and I was just telling Andy that, you know, all we’re really trying to do here is help the city of Denver actually save money when it’s all said and done, because no matter what they do, if the authority district continues to own this, Andy, what we just said is happening anyways. Oh, yes. We’re just saving them money by not tearing anything down and rebuilding. Just keep what you’ve got. Yeah, look. Always cheaper to wrong what you’ve wrong.
SPEAKER 04 :
Everything that they create is going to turn into Crime Alley. Let’s centralize it. Put it all in one place. You know, I don’t like to have to go all over the metro area for my crime. If I could go to one location to get mugged.
SPEAKER 11 :
Localize it.
SPEAKER 04 :
Exactly.
SPEAKER 11 :
If you want a bad experience, come to Empower Field and you’re all set. Empower the homeless. I could run out the tunnel to be mugged. I’m telling you, those of you listening that are in politics that have any kind of influence at all, I’m telling you, this would be the answer to all of Colorado’s homeless problem. Because you could literally advertise, in fact, given the fact we have this stupid bus staying that goes all over the mountains on our tax dollars, convert that into picking up homeless and bringing them to Denver.
SPEAKER 04 :
Absolutely.
SPEAKER 11 :
Just do that. Be done with it. Bus staying has a new service. Picking up the homeless, bringing them back to Empower Field.
SPEAKER 04 :
Oh, yeah.
SPEAKER 11 :
We’re going to empower the homeless. You could even put all over the bus stand, get rid of the bus stand thing, and just put on there, homeless, hop on.
SPEAKER 04 :
You know, and we’ve only got a few seconds. The reason we’re joking about this is because we know the city of Denver is going to turn it into a pit.
SPEAKER 11 :
You got it, Andy. When it could be gorgeous. Ultimately, that’s exactly what we’re talking about. So, all right, guys. A lot of fun. First day back from vacation. It’s always a good time. Thank you, Andy. Thank you, Charlie. You guys have a great evening. Stay safe. We’ll be back tomorrow, health and wellness. Have a great evening. Rush to Reason, Denver’s Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560.
SPEAKER 1 :
Thank you.
