Scott Whatley welcomes Dr. Melissa Fling for an enlightening conversation focused on the impact of suppressors on hearing health. The discussion covers the latest legislative changes and what they mean for gun owners, while Dr. Fling provides expertise on the importance of hearing safety. Learn why double hearing protection might be your best bet and understand the realities versus the myths when it comes to suppressors and hearing risk.
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Welcome to Sportsman of Colorado, Colorado’s premier outdoor radio show heard every Saturday afternoon on KLZ 560 with insights on hunting, fishing, archery, guns, and ammo from Colorado’s top outfitters featuring the industry’s leading experts on how to enhance your experience in the great outdoors. Now, here’s your host, Scott Whatley.
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Welcome to Sportsman of Colorado. Thank you so much for joining us today. Always good to have our exclusive audiologist with us, Dr. Melissa Fling. It’s Custom Air Solutions 720-839-7705. You’ll also hear her on Wednesdays at 1230 on Haystack Help Radio in a segment we call Listen Up. And Dr. Fling? Always good to see you. How are you?
SPEAKER 09 :
I’m good. Good to be here. How are you?
SPEAKER 06 :
I’m good. I’ve got a couple of dates figured out with one of our gun rangers now that have invited us over.
SPEAKER 09 :
Oh, okay. Yeah, let’s talk about that.
SPEAKER 06 :
You come over and shoot some guns and say, oh my, now I want to come on the show every day to warn people. Yeah, for sure.
SPEAKER 09 :
Yep. Okay. Sounds good.
SPEAKER 06 :
How’s the last few weeks been?
SPEAKER 09 :
everything’s been good yeah just moving right along i’ve been working on i’m giving a talk um next month at our colorado academy of audiology conference which is exciting so i’ve got to prepare for that um and another another project that i’ve been working on an article with a couple colleagues so yeah some cool things are coming up lately cool how many people will be at that oh gosh i don’t know uh well Definitely, I would say at least a hundred, maybe two. And, you know, there will be different talks happening at the same time. So everyone won’t come to my talk, just whoever finds the topic interesting, but. Yeah, it’s a good amount of people that, you know, the audiologists in Colorado.
SPEAKER 06 :
Wow, that’s awesome.
SPEAKER 09 :
Yeah, yearly conference that we have. Right. Yeah.
SPEAKER 06 :
Hey, we’re going to talk about suppressors today. And, you know, we do that with a lot of our gun stores as well. And a lot of things are changing in that. In the big, beautiful bill that President Trump signed, the $200 tax stamp. that we’ve always had to pay every time you wanted to buy a suppressor, that will be going away January 1st. So you just simply have to pay for your suppressor. And most of our partners at gun stores are kind of letting you come in now if you want to do that and get your suppressor. I want to say get it, do all the paperwork. And then in January, you can pick it up if you don’t want to pay that $200 tax stamp. but from an audiologist standpoint we’re going to get her views on suppressors because it is said sometimes in in literature in ads and uh and even from you know some folks that sell them that are on our show that and they do put air quotes around this hearing safe so let me ask you in your opinion as an audiologist is there anything hearing safe as far as a suppressor in your world?
SPEAKER 09 :
Well, it’s not really my opinion. I had to do some research and actually it was, it was a guest that you had on that called them hearing safe. And I thought, Hmm, I don’t, I’m not sure about that. I want to look that up. And you know, that’s not to be critical, but it’s to get down to what is actually the fact about it. And the fact is suppressors are, obviously reduce how loud a shot is, which is good for your hearing, but it doesn’t reduce it so much that it makes it safe for your hearing. There’s still a significant risk, especially cumulatively, depending on how many shots you’re taking, or if you’re out shooting regularly, then you’re going to have this cumulative damage exposure that causes damage that builds up over time. So the, the overarching thought here is do suppressors make it safer? Yes. Safer, not safe. there still will be risk. And even to make it even safer would be to combine the suppressor with hearing protection. And that could be single hearing protection, meaning just earplugs or just muffs. Or if you’re in more of a reverberant environment indoors or you’re even outdoor, but you’re kind of inside something or you have a hard surface next to, you know, on either side of you, then it’s more ideal to have double hearing protection, earplugs and earmuffs. So that topic that was brought up on your show, I thought, oh, that’s a really interesting topic that needs to be discussed a little bit further. I don’t think it’s appropriate to say that suppressors are hearing safe. And actually, we don’t even have a standard yet for how to measure suppressors How much they do suppress. I think there’s information out there about that, but I don’t know that we have a standard. That’s being worked on. Actually, when I looked it up, the American Suppressor Association has hired a consulting contract company called SASRAC. And a colleague of mine works for them. They’re working on developing a standard to even just measure the performance of suppressors. Gotcha. So I think we’re a little ahead of what’s current by saying they’re hearing safe. We don’t know that. Well, actually, we do know it. There have been studies that have shown… There’s still a significant risk. But they’re working on getting a standard so we can measure how much suppressors reduce noise, which is good. Yeah, absolutely. That’s movement in the right direction.
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And, you know, one thing is a lot of times the sound, it breaks the sound barrier way up in front of you. So it’s not really that here. But, I mean, you’ll see. We go to a gun range. There may be somebody sit there for an hour, 45 minutes or an hour, just repetitive shot, repetitive shot, especially at a range, you know, hunting situation. Yeah. You may be shooting, you know, one time or a couple of times, but a lot of times it is gauzy, gauzy suppressors. It is a repetitive shot.
SPEAKER 09 :
Yeah. Now I have a question. You said it’s breaking the sound barrier sometimes way in front of you after it’s exited the muzzle. What about inside the muzzle? Isn’t the… What is it called? The… Well, the muzzle blast, but there’s another term that I heard. Oh, the ballistic crack, the bullet breaking the sound barrier. Can that happen inside the muzzle too?
SPEAKER 06 :
No, that’s going to happen outside of it. It does help a little bit there, but no matter what, you get into some bigger calibers, like a .22. I mean, it’s just… I mean, it’s really little, you know. Yeah, not very loud. But then you get up in what they call a 30 caliber can, which is like, you know, for a bigger rifle. I mean, it’s still some noise. Okay. But I’ve got a couple. So when we go…
SPEAKER 09 :
You have a couple suppressors?
SPEAKER 06 :
Yeah. Okay. Yeah, so when we go, we can see.
SPEAKER 09 :
They also mentioned the use of subsonic ammo.
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And it really does quieten it. Yeah. A lot of times, especially on a semi-automatic, and you take a .22 or something, when it racks that bullet back and kicks out the hull, that makes more noise than the shell. So, I mean, it really does. But you know what? Here’s what I think the message would be from today is this. You’ve only got two ears. Why take a chance with something? I don’t care if it’s got it stamped all over it, hearing approved. If it hurts your hearing and you lose your hearing because of it, uh or attributes to hearing loss why take that chance yeah yeah they are a lot more comfortable to shoot they can i mean there’s a lot of different deals with a suppressor yeah you know and it doesn’t disturb other game it doesn’t disturb right as many of your surroundings and things as it normally does with a bigger larger caliber gun yeah um And so, I mean, they are nice, but we do want to put out good information here.
SPEAKER 09 :
Yeah, yeah. And, you know, if you’re not using one, however you do it is fine, but it’s important that the information be accurate and based on measurements and studies that have been done around that versus just labels to… Reassure people so that they feel more comfortable buying something. That’s fine, right? But we don’t want to propagate misinformation.
SPEAKER 06 :
Right. Yeah. And when you go to a range, most of you know this, if you don’t have your own headset for head protection, they will loan you some. You can rent some or eyewear, different things like that. And I think we all know they’re not going to buy the most expensive equipment. type of headgear for to protect your hearing yeah so that’s something to maybe look at investing some money into you know your deals which we’ll get into in just a second and then and you’re even a fan of double protection of some muffs over yeah some things
SPEAKER 09 :
Yeah, depending on the situation and the firearm and the environment and all of that. But ideally, you’d have people are going to go, oh, this is not I’m not going to do that. Or it’s not, you know, it’s not ideal for maybe like long range hunting for big game or something. You wouldn’t use subsonic ammo typically.
SPEAKER 08 :
Right. No, no, no.
SPEAKER 09 :
It’s not ideal for that. Right. Yeah, but ideally you’d have a suppressor, subsonic ammo, and double hearing protection. But that’s not always appropriate for the use case. So I understand that. But, yeah, so that’s just why it’s important to have a conversation about it and say, hey, actually, they’re not hearing safe, but they will make your exposure safer. And then if you want to make it even safer, then use hearing protection on top of it.
SPEAKER 06 :
Right.
SPEAKER 09 :
Yeah.
SPEAKER 06 :
And very important, too. I mean, we’re into the hunting season now. Waterfowl’s kicking up soon. And upland bird hunting. Man, make sure everybody in your group is hearing safe, so to speak.
SPEAKER 09 :
Yeah.
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You know, got protection, especially kids. Because, boy, you want to put a kid on a long path that’s not going to be fun for them. Don’t shoot, you know, guns around them if they’re not wearing hearing protection as well. Correct?
SPEAKER 09 :
Right. Yeah. And it’s… Hearing safety is a part of overall firearm safety. It’s not just knowing how to use a firearm. It’s all the other things that come with it, the effects of it, such as how it exposes you to damaging noise levels. So yeah, that’s an important part of overall firearm use safety as well.
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Right. All right. It’s been a while since we’ve done this. Let’s run through your lineup a little bit. And once again, we try to make this clear. Most of the time you’re an audiologist, you think hearing aids, hearing tests, whatever. Dr. Fling does not have hearing aids, so to speak, in her shop. Her deal is helping you preserve the hearing that you have with several types of hearing protection. If you do a hearing exam with her, which we highly recommend, it’s only $125. You can schedule that by calling 720-839-7705. If she decides you do need to move forward with some hearing aids, she has colleagues then that she can refer you to. But let’s walk through your lineup.
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Yeah, so it could be divided into two categories, services and products. So service-wise, I offer hearing evaluations, which you’ve mentioned. I can also potentially offer earwax removal. and I can do ear mold impressions. So that’s impressions of your ears for the purpose of making custom fitted ear molds for whatever use. Some people come to me and they want to buy the product from me and others just want impressions so they can send it off to a manufacturer that’s going to make them in-ear monitors for music or electronic protection for hunting or something like that. So some people already have the company picked out that they want, and they just come to me for the service of the impressions, which is fine. On the product side of things, it’s all custom ear mold products that are meant for either hearing protection, or I could say protecting your hearing from noise, protecting your ears from water if you need that, if you have a hole in your eardrum, or if you are susceptible to ear infections from water getting into your ears. Ear molds for communication devices, like the ones you’re wearing now, you’re wearing in-ear monitors essentially to listen to the radio versus wearing the ear muffs. So we had a pair of ear molds made to fit around those in-ear monitors for you. So you have a… more comfortable, secure fit. That would include Bluetooth earbuds like Apple AirPods. If you want something custom to fit around those, you can make those. Sleep ear molds. So those are the products. Now, as far as the lineup of hearing protection goes, the most basic, simplest option would be solid ear molds for maximum hearing protection. That would be when you don’t need to be aware of your environment. You just need maximum hearing protection like indoor target shooting or if you’re working in a warehouse or a manufacturing plant or something where there’s high levels of noise, you don’t have to communicate, you just need protection, those are $165 for the pair. If you need hearing protection that will allow you to be aware of your environment, including being able to communicate with other people, then I would recommend filtered ear molds. Um, and those would be two 60 for the pair. And those could be used, um, in environments, like I said, where you need to communicate with people, but also protect or, um, hunting. Like you have the filtered molds for impulse sounds. So those will allow you to hear fairly normally between shots, but then they’ll compress a shot when it’s taken or any loud impulse noise. And then the kind of top tier level would be electronic custom hearing protection. Those would be ideal for people who are hunting and want a little bit of amplification of soft sound so they can hear game or they can communicate with the people they’re hunting with. But they also want the protection to… compress on impulse sound to protect their hearing. Those are more of an investment. And that would be for people that are really serious about hunting and would use those often those would range from about 1150 to 1350 for the pair. Okay.
SPEAKER 06 :
What are you getting? Just curious, what are you getting from 1150 to 1350?
SPEAKER 09 :
Yes, the technology level changes. So you’ll get more features, more programs, the protection, the hearing protection is the same. but it depends how many different scenarios you want to be able to use them in. So the top level will have multiple programs. The lowest level will have one to two programs. It’s more basic.
SPEAKER 06 :
Right.
SPEAKER 09 :
Yeah.
SPEAKER 06 :
All right. Anything we forgot?
SPEAKER 09 :
I don’t think so.
SPEAKER 06 :
All right. Hey, well, good job. And thanks for listening to Sportsman of Colorado. Yeah, I love that show. As we get information on things and on suppressors, different things like that, hey, we’ll bring it to light. And if we’ve got questions, we’re going to get with Dr. Fling and saying, hey, what do you think about this? This is what this company is saying about this. So we just want to make sure we get you good information. And once again, it is customeersolutions.com. Their number is 720-839-7705. When you call, just let Dr. Fling know you heard her here on Sportsman of Colorado and KLZ 560, and we would appreciate that as well. So, Dr. Fling, thanks for your time. Thank you. See you again soon.
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All right.
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Welcome back to Sportsman of Colorado. Again, thank you so much for being with us. Just a quick reminder, now you miss our show here on Saturdays, 1 to 2. You can catch us twice on Sundays. That’s 8 to 9 a.m., 8 to 9 p.m., and then the following Thursday from 9 to 10 a.m. So hopefully one of those times will work out for you. If not, of course, you can catch our podcast where you get yours, and we would love to have you join us there. Tell your friends about it as well. Well, hey, always good to have our buddy Jimmy Graham in. Jimmy has been a friend for several years and has just done a great job. And I’m going to get him on here to talk about his organization and then a really cool event. And, of course, a lot of things going on in our world today on a national level and a local level. So, Jimmy, welcome to the show. How are you?
SPEAKER 03 :
Thanks, Scott, brother, for having me. Good to see you. Appreciate you, man. Happy to be here.
SPEAKER 06 :
Hey, it’s been a while since we’ve had you on. And just to talk about your company, Able Shepherd, usually you’re on promoting something else, which we’ll do here in a little bit. But let’s kind of talk about how that all came about and a little bit about your background for folks that don’t know you.
SPEAKER 03 :
yeah i say you know this is where i guess the navy seal lands when he grows up so you go on from being a little over 15 years in the seal teams then being a bodyguard for the cia for the grs program 13 hours you know that was my time in benghazi libya there’s a lot of stern up about that right now got a lot of thoughts on that but um then you have kids and you’re trying to look for that exit strategy is i don’t want to be that dad on the other side of the world so you hand your kids over to a school and a church and you’re saying how are you going to protect them in a world that’s getting darker since our duty to be the light And the answer is not good. And then you offer to help and it becomes your calling.
SPEAKER 06 :
Right. And then that turned into Able Shepherd.
SPEAKER 03 :
It turns into Able Shepherd, which is basically where it started off with the physical part. So I say spiritual, then mental, then physical. So we started with kind of the third thing. It’s very unlikely that you’re ever going to have to use a firearm, let’s say, on the extreme end of that to defend your children. But you need to spiritually and mentally defend them today. So we kind of hook people with that physical, I want to be the protector of my home. We say it’s your responsibility to protect your kids, but we can help. Then while they’re there, you expose them to the truth of spiritually you need to be. Here’s what protection is, by the way. It’s self-defense. Now stand in front of your kids. right so that’s not just physical it means spiritually if you can’t protect yourself eternally then what good are you to your kids right if you can’t mentally like mean you’re not a crazy person how can you raise mentally strong children so i believe that that is the order it is spiritual then mental then physical here’s the deal though on a day like we’ve seen recently many many times including evidently last night that you just informed me of when that physical protection thing comes up it’s not more important it’s more immediate So like right now on this day, you need to step up as a man and defend that child. Right. And a lot of people, when they’re honest, they’re like, I don’t know how to do that. And I’m like, that’s okay. We do.
SPEAKER 06 :
Right. You know, many of us, and I’m guilty and I’ve admitted this, been very transparent with you. Many of us, Oh, I got to get my concealed carry permit. We get that. And then what do we do?
SPEAKER 01 :
Right.
SPEAKER 06 :
You know, I mean, maybe go out and shoot some targets every once in a while, but Never really get prepared for that moment we hope never happens. Yeah, yeah. Okay? But there’s been a whole bunch of moments that have happened that nobody around expected.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah. I’ve got a buddy, Neil Pinkham. I’m guessing he’s 70, and I love him. I was on the phone with him. I talked to him once a week. He moved out to Louisiana. He was a mentor of mine. He just took his concealed carry for Louisiana. And the instructor, they said, hey, where do you think you rate as far as being comfortable with a pistol? He said, nine. And they kind of looked at him like, yeah, right. Everybody else was one or two. And then they did scenarios. They did the video scenario, and he aced that. Then he went into the range. And literally, if you saw the hole, it’s about a one-inch hole for every yard line. And the instructor was like, I hope you don’t show us up. And then when he went in, he did. And he was like, hey, Abel Shepherd, I know it’s a little bit of a drive. But it just felt good as him. It was a thing that he aspired to do a little bit later in life. He wanted to check that box. He’d been a financial provider. He’d been all that, but the protector part. And I think a lot of people that what I love about this program so much is that when you introduce community and camaraderie to people. through an actual real capability. Like you said, there’s always been a question, could I do it? Well, when the answer becomes yes, you can put that out of the way now. And now it gives you the dignity, the ability to go step in, to stand with me at a library and talk about what books our kids should be reading, right? To stand with me down in DC when people are spitting on you and throwing stuff at the pride fest, when we stood, when people were getting groomed and And violated. And the senior citizens are getting attacked. You remember that whole thing. The 70 dudes that stood with me, they stand taller this year because the wind changed. It used to be like, I can’t believe you did the thing. And Sheriff Weekly posted that thing and was like, we’re going to separate. That was all to cover his six. And now I don’t appreciate it. And he knows it. But now I’m like, hey, now I need you to just let that sink in and not do it again. And that’s what I’m counting on.
SPEAKER 06 :
Absolutely. Absolutely. So, Abel Sheppard, let’s break it down. Because what I love about it, you can take anybody at any level. That’s right. And I think that’s what everybody needs to understand.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yes, yes. I mean, if you’ve never considered a firearm in your home ever, but now it popped in your head, we want to meet you and talk to you and hear those concerns and then make some recommendations. But we have SWAT teams coming in from all over the state to get a certificate from us. Why? Because a guy in Denver said there should be a standard. When I say, are you any good with a gun? And you say, I feel like I’m pretty good. I say, it’s not a feeling, it’s a standard. Show me. And then when you, in these scenarios, we’ll put like somebody come in, this little girl runs in, throws her hands in the air, somebody representing an innocent, and says, help, and your gun goes off. Why’d that go off? And 75%, by the way, of people we put in that scenario shoot the person with their hands up. Then their jaw drops and they go, oh my goodness, I’m that guy. You’re like, yeah, let’s fix that, right? And then we spend some time on it. Now they’re not that guy.
SPEAKER 06 :
So is it a series to be the best and be prepared? Is it a series then of classes, so to speak?
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah, yeah. It’s a progressive program. We have a static and a dynamic track. So static means stand there and shoot your gun. And that’s historically where the standard’s been. Let’s stand here and pass a shooting ball but that’s not real world so the real world’s dynamic meaning moving constantly moving actually so we’ve actually got a live fire range we’ve got a scenario shoot house where i’m on an overhead catwalk and now you got to watch behind you and in front of you and go get your little girl and pull her out of the building with say your spouse well let’s just go do it and let’s talk about those theories this isn’t really complex you know it’s not easy but it’s not complex it’s pretty simple when you talk about what does protection mean to get to her you’ve got to go through me
SPEAKER 06 :
physically okay now just make sure they don’t do that yeah jimmy graham is with us once again um abel shepherd and uh abelshepherd.com yes okay abelshepherd.com and uh hey if you want more information get in touch with them there be sure and let them know you heard about them here on sportsman of colorado and we’d appreciate that as well We’re going to talk about an event that’s coming up, but I don’t want to reflect just a little bit over these last few weeks. Man, a couple weeks ago, matter of fact, very transparent, we’re recording this actually two weeks ago today. Boy, something that really shook our nation, you know, gut punch, man, with Charlie Kirk. But then you look all around and other people aren’t as famous as Charlie Kirk. This is happening a lot right now. Your thoughts?
SPEAKER 03 :
Brother, I’ve got so many thoughts. I could talk for the rest of the day on this. I’ll start by saying this because men like declarative statements. I will not fade. People are going to fade off because when shootings happen, I take them personally. You know that. And it’s heavy and it gets me in motion. I’m now leaving the grieving stage and going into the action. phase of this right so everything that i’ve done in my life has prepared me for a day you know for such a day as this right you know i’ve got a lot of guys in my circles that are like i was born in the wrong generation i should have been a cowboy like you were born exactly the right time none of this was some kind of surprise to god and when i saw that widow first speak and she’s way too young to be a widow but she’s a widow to first speak something hurt in my heart And as I was reading through my Bible, I came across Acts on how we’re supposed to care for widows, right? And select men. It said, go select men. And then further in Acts, it says, go select men. And I’m like, select men, select men. That’s a New England term for an elected official. But I’m going to do something with that. And I will be one of those select men that steps forward and says, we’re not going to let this go, right? So we are going to support this organization. Because one of the verses, I’m sorry, a quote from Frederick Douglass, it’s kind of guided my life. It’s easier to raise strong children than to repair broken men. I’m like, uh-oh. So I’m like, let’s go get some men and model strength for these kids. But then when I went, I realized half of them don’t really believe they’re men. Like, that’s a problem. So I’m guided at both directions. One, repairing broken men, including this one, me, and modeling strength for young people, right? So simultaneous. It’s not one or the other. You chase your tail or you just only focus on the left side of that. It’s both simultaneously. You know, I wrote a book called Return of Man, focused on this end. Next month, it publishes. It’s been about a year. How do you love a fish? It’s a kid’s book about morals and values in this nation. Right. Stuff I do with my kids. It’s not going to educate just kids. The parents reading are going to be like, you know what? I need to be a better mom or dad.
SPEAKER 06 :
Yeah, absolutely. You know, you see all the people who’s going to take Charlie Kirk’s place. Yeah. Good luck with that. And yeah. But what I’m saying, it’s not just a guy that can do a podcast. It’s not just a guy or gal that can speak to kids at colleges. If we lose that spiritual aspect to this. It doesn’t work that way.
SPEAKER 03 :
It’s not going to be the same. I tell people like I’m not an architect, but I know enough to know this, that you can’t keep building while simultaneously chipping away at your foundation. So when you say who’s going to fill that void, there will never be another Charlie Kirk. But who will fill that void? The answer unanimously across the nation should be me. Everybody should say me. We call it a safety culture. When I say in a school or church or a business, whose job is to protect this place? Everybody simultaneously should say me. Whose job is it? It’s mine. And if you all say that, you stop chalking doors. You maybe do take that stop the bleed class. You maybe do. all that, whichever the emergency, the solution should be me. And if everybody really felt that way, then it’d be a safer world, right? So you wouldn’t, and by the way, you said the foundation, if you don’t believe, if your kids were not raised knowing that that dude, the stranger across the parking lot was made in the image of God, why not shoot him? You know what I mean? You’ve got to believe something. At some point, I was raised with these biblical Judeo-Christian values of probably shouldn’t kill people. Like any society is like, you don’t want to murder people because that might come back on you. I don’t want to be murdered. Therefore, I shouldn’t murder people. So if you’re off the foundation, then you can’t really build. And when it comes crashing down and people wonder why, I kind of made a name around town for rebuilding imploded security teams in churches. I’m like, guys, you can start with a foundation. You got to be a cop or a vet. which is my history and my brotherhood, but that’s two of the most unhealthy industries out there is military and law enforcement. You get the tough guy crossing his arms, mean mugging everybody that can’t prove a standard when it comes to protection. Yeah, you’re probably great in Iraq zapping bad guys, but now we need a professional to show up. And I really do want to put a calling out to vets too, because that leadership and the thing that got you to sign, that grit where you signed a blank check, we need that today. But there’s a thing in my industry, both with the SEAL teams and the CIA, called the quiet professional. And it’s a disease, by the way. Quiet professional, like if you’re going to come out into the world, you need to stop being quiet and be twice the professional. It means you need to grow up right now, but don’t, you know, that thing that got you to enlist and serve your country and go into some of the most dangerous places in the world, man, that’s here. That’s here. It just might look like Congress. It might look like a library. It might look like a school. But the answer is somebody who loves people enough to tell them the truth and then be willing to die for it. A lot of guys are coming to me now saying, shouldn’t security have done A, B, C, D, E, F, G? The answer is yes. But you could do that. Like if I’m speaking, how about you go on the tree line and go check it out? How about you go and you can’t go check all the places. And here’s a secret that’s not a secret. Guys like Charlie Kirk, guys like Jimmy Graham, guys like whoever, they’re going to do it anyway. Hey, Jimmy, we don’t have, and this is going to be hundreds of thousands if not millions of dollars for that kind of security because that’s what I used to be. The number on that, right? We’re going to do it anyway. Like you need to go talk anyway. Well, Jimmy, security wasn’t, they didn’t show up today. I’m still going. Right. That’s the kind of faith that needs to lead. So this is why the world is grieving right now, not the country, the globe. The Holy Spirit grieved for Charlie Kirk. He was the best of us. Somebody said, I didn’t know who that was. I said, we’ll study him because he was the best of us. Right. If Donald Trump or Elon Musk or Jordan Peterson think highly of these folks and we need them, if any of them died, we wouldn’t have felt this.
SPEAKER 07 :
Right.
SPEAKER 03 :
But Charlie Kirk, we did because the Holy Spirit grieved. The Holy Spirit lives in me and it hurts and I feel it. Right. But now that’s turning. Right. I’m like, OK, so I am the turning point. Right. And that’s actually what we’re calling this event. We are the turning point.
SPEAKER 06 :
Yeah. Cool. All right. What is it? You mentioned churches. Let’s just take that or a business. What’s the security assessment look like? Security.
SPEAKER 03 :
So this is… There are people that’ll charge you 10 to $15,000 for a security assessment. It’s gonna be a stack of papers where they’re gonna assess anything and everything, much like an insurance company or others. A lot of this is fill in the blank. So you take a modest church and they spend $10,000 on an assessment. They don’t have anything left to actually do anything, right? So we came up with one of these, we just kind of shook our heads and like, this is not right. So we give out a free security assessment that you could fill in and answer 55 yes or no questions, right? This is just an example of one of the things that we do. And it quantifies it. It puts a score next to it. And it’s usually not good. Well, now make a NOAA yes according to your time and budget. Right. And now it gets better. So one of the safest, the safest school, I’m not going to say the name of it, but it’s here, it’s attached to a church. And it’s the safest school in the state. Like if you run the numbers on what’s going to happen realistically, if somebody tries to touch those kids, they’re gonna end up laying on the floor bleeding. I get the ultimate thing, but it’s really hard to even get in. Like the second you get on property, they know you’re there. Like you’re gonna have to pound your way through reinforced glass. And while you’re doing that, you’re gonna get shot. Like that’s a good answer. You know what I mean? When you love your kids, you’re like, hey, man, if we’re going to get realistic here, what would you do if I tried to hurt these kids? I’m like, whatever it takes is the answer. But then it’s got to be real, right? So just put – I run these assessments and I drive around and look at schools. Like, say, STEM school. They could check, do you have a fence? Yes. It’s like a four-foot fence that goes from here to here. Like, you can see the end of it.
SPEAKER 07 :
Right.
SPEAKER 03 :
That’s not what I meant. You know, did you have a fence that could actually stop people? You know, that kind of thing. So you’ll go through and check the boxes, but common sense, you and I could be like, man, I could be in that church literally in 20 seconds. Well, that’s a problem, right? If we really, we’re very good at protecting our diplomats and our money, but not our kids.
SPEAKER 06 :
That’s got to change. I mean, how many times, just real quick, I’ve gone to see people in a hospital of friends after visiting hours. Yep. And dude. There ain’t a door I can’t walk in. I just act like I know what I’m doing. I look people in the eye, say hello, you know, whatever.
SPEAKER 03 :
If you look like you know what you’re doing, no one will question you. I said it like a purpose, like you’re late for something, you know. And that’s the thing. There’s two schools of thought on this. And on one side, the left side, the weaker side, it’s called SEPTED, Crime Prevention Through Environmental Design. On the other side, it’s called target hardening. Think a prison. The answer is in the middle. So aesthetically pleasing. And you know that I spoke on this two years ago in the Western Conservative Summit. I was on the stage with Lauren Bobart and many others. And I talked exactly about this because it was days after Uvalde. And I asked to change my slide deck, and I did. So go on YouTube and look that up under Abel Shepard’s YouTube page and look at Western Conservative Summit. And you’re going to see exactly me walking through three designs of what a school should look like in the future. By the way, that’s exactly what TPUSA, their next headquarters, should look like that. Because they’re marked forever, right? So after Charlie Kirk, it’s like, okay, now you’re the person to hate. They’re going to have to plus up their game, and I want to help with that too.
SPEAKER 06 :
Yeah, very good. Jimmy Graham is with us, Abel Shepard. All right, we’ve got an event we want to tell you about that’s going to be happening October the 11th. at our friends at Kiowa Creek Sporting Club, and so I’ll let you introduce them.
SPEAKER 03 :
They’re so great. Yeah, they are. They’ve been great to us, and they mark that. Once you use that date, they’re like, if you want it next year, we’ll put your name on it and all that kind of stuff. So it went great last year. It was October 11th on Saturday. It’s at noon to 1.30. And able nation exists for those churches and schools that don’t have a budget. We started years ago with that guy’s talking about Neil Pinkham. And we just started helping out not me, the community would help out with those resources for emergency medical for training for all that kind of stuff. This year, I was talking to the board and I said, man, with all going on, I just it doesn’t feel right raising money for this. And we’re not doing that bad. We’re okay. We got some donors and all this stuff. So what do you guys think about, you know, pushing that money towards TP USA, my daughter, before the Charlie Kirk assassination started her TPUSA chapter. She’s 17 years old and she recently had her first meeting. Well, now there’s a backlog. So people are like, she’s already got one and we can’t start one. Can we come to her? So people are flooding into hers. So I see my 17 year old daughter put on a little vest. the end look nice and she’s like uh got a powerpoint and she’s she’s presenting turning point usa this local chapter and she’s like dad i need a point i just want to help so i run out in the garage real quick and find a target arrow and i take my knife out and shave off the fletchings i’m like here and she’s doing this professional presentation to a bunch of teenagers in our living room right it’s absolutely beautiful so i asked the board can we make a donation from the proceeds this year to tp usa because that’s that’s my heart sand and they came back and they’re like yeah i go what percentage are you guys feeling and across the board 100 and i’m like So it just all of a sudden got incredibly cool that we’re doing okay. And I was praying, like, what number would be the right number where we’re still taken care of, but it honors God. And when they said 100%, I’m like, that’s right, we will be taken care of. So I’m not worried about that. Let’s just do it all. So we’re going to be running for Sporting Clays that people don’t know. If you’re just coming to that event from 12 to 1.30, it’s just a lunch and a get-together and talking about what we’re doing. We’re asking for a $100 donation. That’s for shooters and non-shooters just to cover the lunch and all that kind of stuff and to put some money into TPUSA. If you’re a shooter, we need you showing up at 8 o’clock. I’d like to register able-nation.org under events. Look for the Sporting Clays fundraiser, and it just feels so good. I got emotional when they came back. They’re like, let’s do the whole thing. So now we’re just going to recoup the food costs and all that stuff. Oh, by the way, some of the things that they can bid on, because it’s a shotgun thing, we’re going to give away a shot. We’re going to sell a shotgun, right? Oh, okay. But because it’s us, do you know what a Genesis 12 breaching shotgun is? I don’t think so. It’s an AR platform shotgun. Okay, I’ve seen those. That’s probably a 10-inch barrel. It’s short. It was in the movie John Wick. That’s what’s going to be one of the auction things, right? It’s a silent auction where you go on givebutter.com or something like that. It’s connected to the link. And then also a handmade guitar by JL Customs. It’s awesome. It’s called a We the People. And the whole video series of this guy hand-making this guitar, it’s black, but it’s got the red, white, and blue inlays, We the People, along the neck. And it’s beautiful. And he sound checks it and all that. And he donated that. So there’s certain things in there. All of that, all the proceeds from that are going to TPUSA. I’m in contact with, I think it’s Lena, the local rep here for TPUSA. It’s like, do you want it here in state or do you want it national? You just give me the location and it’ll show up. So we’re super excited about it.
SPEAKER 06 :
Cool. All right. So they go to your website.
SPEAKER 03 :
It’s Able Nation. So the able-nation.org under events.
SPEAKER 06 :
And they can sign up? Yes, register there. All right. And so, hey, if you’ve got a team, what, four guys?
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah, they can do a team. They can just show up. They can do individuals. Everybody’s like, well, I’m not going to shoot with all these experts. Trust me, with shotguns, I’m not an expert. And that’s not my jam, man. But it’s so cool to just spend the morning walking around with guys. I tell people, if you’ve never done it, it’s like golf, but with guns. Sure. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER 06 :
So it is a lot more fun, no matter what. Yeah. And Kyle Creek, man, I tell you, they have a great, great sporting clay range. I mean, it is awesome. I mean, a lot of different positions from shooting and just angles. The clays are coming. I mean, it is really good. But you know what? It’s all about the fundraiser here that April Nation is doing. And again, if you just want to come to the event itself there. That’ll be noon to 1.30. If you want to get some guys or gals together and come as a team or just come as an individual, they’ll get you all paired up. And you need to be there at 8 a.m. for that. And, again, that is Saturday, October 11th. And if you’re driving and, hey, you can’t remember all this, just get in touch with me here at the station, and I’ll get you in touch with Jimmy. And, hey, we need a good group to show up out there for sure. Where do we go from here a little bit with our whole concealed carry? Now, there’s extra training real quick. I just want to mention that for people, which I’m not against extra training. I think there needed to be more than what previously was required.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yes, yes.
SPEAKER 06 :
But is that going to be something that you guys are –
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah. We’re going to stay ahead of that to make it as easy as we possibly can for the end user. The problem that I have probably with you is the word mandated, like second amendment. The second you say mandated now, should we incentivize, you know, and make things cheaper or like take a portion off a gun that may be, gets supplemented back to the seller. Sure, man, we can do all that stuff. It is your responsibility. If you have a firearm, that’s life and death in your hands. It’s your responsibility to know how to use it and how to shoot and how to not shoot. Like I said, target ID so you don’t accidentally shoot somebody and hurt the cause and our constitutional rights. That’s your responsibility, and we should encourage that. We should incentivize it and do all that stuff. When we talk mandated, I have a real problem there. But it’s, it’s time. And I think everybody should do it. We’re getting more and more people that never considered it. It doesn’t mean you have to carry. And I was like, I talked to a medic tech medic guy that was a veteran. He goes, I just want to focus on the medical thing. I go, then do it. He said, well, if I have the gun, then maybe I’ll be thinking. I’m like, no, no, no. You focus on that. It just means if you don’t have one, just say you had a cop protecting you while you were given medical aid and he gets shot. You don’t have a gun. The only option is die. So, okay, maybe I take a pause on this tourniquet, neutralize a threat so we can both live, and then go save that life. So I think that’s a responsibility. A lot of people, pretty much if I’ve ever talked to you ever, I’ve probably been armed. And I’m not focused on that. I’m living my life. When I’m comfortable enough to say if something happens, I’ll deal with it because it’s my job because I’m a man.
SPEAKER 06 :
Right. Abelshepherd.com for that. But, hey, come to this event. It’s going to be great. Saturday, October the 11th. Website one more time.
SPEAKER 03 :
Able-Nation.org. By the way, shotguns are like, you can rent them there. The community we have, if you don’t have a shotgun, show up. The guy next to you will say, shoot mine. It’s just that deal. It’s just the most relaxed, cool kind of environment. It’s the way we should do things as a community, and it’s beautiful.
SPEAKER 06 :
Jimmy, thank you, buddy.
SPEAKER 03 :
Cheers, brother. We’ll do this again. God bless you.
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Welcome back to Sportsman Colorado. Again, thank you so much for being with us today. We’re going to wrap things up with our good buddy Dan Johnson. Lynn Lyle Chevrolet, drive east and pay the lease. Dan, welcome. How are you? I’m doing great. How are you, Scott? I’m good.
SPEAKER 12 :
Beautiful weekend.
SPEAKER 06 :
I know, man. The weekend is here, which means it’s always a good time to buy a car. What’s going on this weekend? Yeah, absolutely. What’s going on this weekend?
SPEAKER 12 :
Well, we’re pushing hard. We’re trying to reach our goal, and like I said, it’s the last weekend of the month, so I got Lots of cars for sale. I need used cars, so if you have a trade-in, I’ll be super aggressive, and the stars are aligned. It’s a good day to come on out.
SPEAKER 06 :
Good deal. You know, it’s finally nice to say, hey, we got some really good interest rates, too, on some things, right?
SPEAKER 12 :
Oh, yeah. Silverado, you know, they were doing, you know, low interest rates, but the term was so short, nobody could do it. But now I’ve got 2.9 on the most popular trucks for up to 72 months. Wow, okay. Yeah, yeah. So, I mean, you know, they were 6%, 7%, 8%.
SPEAKER 06 :
Right.
SPEAKER 12 :
So now it makes them quite a bit more affordable.
SPEAKER 06 :
Sure, sure. Hey, I saw something, I believe, on the news last night about on the electric cars. There’s going to be some things changing on that and some of the money, right?
SPEAKER 12 :
Absolutely. The big, beautiful bill, there was – There was $7,500 federal tax credit on pretty much all the EVs. And that goes away September 30th, what, in a couple, three days here. So, yeah, so that ends. Now, what happens after that, I don’t know. The state tax credit is still in play, which is $3,500 for EVs. Colorado, so that’s still a good deal, but when you combine the two, that really made it attractive. What the manufacturers are going to do after that, who knows?
SPEAKER 07 :
Right.
SPEAKER 12 :
You know, I know we’re still going to have to figure out a way to sell electric vehicles, so they’re going to have to incentivize them somehow, but I haven’t heard anything yet.
SPEAKER 06 :
All right. Hey, for your customers, and some people have asked me, like, man, is that a pain to get the charger in your garage and all that? Walk us through. I mean, have you got somebody that you guys refer folks to to help them there?
SPEAKER 12 :
Oh, absolutely. We can… I mean, it’s such an easy process. Oh, is it? Okay. You just basically go online, an electrician will call them, and boom, you know. I mean, I did one in my house. I don’t have an electric vehicle, but I had an electrician out there, and I said, just in case I ever wanted to do this, he goes, oh, I’ll put a 220 in your garage, and I think you charged me like 400 bucks.
SPEAKER 07 :
Right, okay.
SPEAKER 12 :
Yeah, so, and so, you know, I mean, I could do it real easy, and that’s a fast charger. You know, most of the EVs you can still plug to 110, it’s just it’s a slow charge, and everybody has a 110 in their garage, but to do a 220, which picks it up like, you know, 20 times faster than the 110. You know, it’s not a big deal at all. And that’s like, old plasma TVs that keeps coming down in price, coming down in price. So, you know, probably you could find an electrician for two, three hundred bucks.
SPEAKER 06 :
Right, right. What is this? A guy asked me, they go, so if you’re not putting gas in it, you’re not, you know, all the, what is the service like for one?
SPEAKER 12 :
Is it just tire rotation? Yeah, pretty much. They’re heavy cars. So, you know, definitely want to rotate the tires. Uh, But other than that, you know, it’s wiper blades. You know, of course, they still have brakes, you know. So, you know, that’s something that. But, yeah, there’s no oil changes, obviously. And, you know, it’s pretty much just, you know, not much. Brakes and tires and that’s pretty much it.
SPEAKER 06 :
Right. You know, my buddy Ryan that came over and got one from you. I was just seeing him the other day at his store, and I said, how’s that electric car working? And he goes, man, we love it. He said, it’s really cool. And that’s what made me think of the service, because he said that. He goes, man, you know, not having to worry about oil changes and different things like that and just plug it in. He goes, man, it’s awesome.
SPEAKER 12 :
Yeah, no, that’s everybody. I mean, everybody that I’ve sold them to, really, I haven’t had one complaint. The only complaint you get is… you got to probably have another car, a gas car, because in case you want to go to Des Moines, Iowa or something, just because that old, uh, you know, plotting your trip and pulling over. And, you know, I had one, one, one guy tell me, and he doesn’t have a Chevy. He’s got a, you know, a different brand. And, uh, He said, you know, I drove from Minneapolis or wherever, somewhere in Minnesota. He says, well, it usually takes me 12 hours. It took me 16 hours. He goes, I didn’t like that. He goes, but just driving around town, he goes, I love it. So there’s a place for both.
SPEAKER 06 :
Sure, sure. Dan Johnson is with us once again, GM at Lynn Lyle Chevrolet. If you go by, hey, someone will usually greet you there when you pull up, just tell them you’d like to meet Dan. And, hey, thank you for sponsoring our shows. We could not do our Haystack or Sportsman without Dan and his support. And I’m telling you, we’ve been doing business there, gosh, I guess like 20 years now. And my wife still says it’s uneven, Dan. She said, you’ve had like nine new trucks and I’ve had two cars. I go, hey, it’s part of the advertising commitment, right? That’s right.
SPEAKER 12 :
Wow. And the way you drive, he doesn’t drive like you drive.
SPEAKER 06 :
No, that’s for sure. For sure. Hey, service, I was in just a day getting oil changed in less than an hour. And I know we can’t commit that to everyone, but, hey, it worked out really good. So we’re just talking about oil changes. But, hey, with my high country, I need it. But anything going on in the service right now you want to mention?
SPEAKER 12 :
um well since i know that come october we’re doing the tire special again buy three get one free uh which is really a good deal when we had that oh i don’t know two or three months ago that was really i mean that that’s a great deal i mean we’ll hands down beat any of the tire stores or any of those on four tires. And we’re coming into winter, so everybody make sure your tires are good.
SPEAKER 06 :
Man, there’s no bigger bummer than that. And it’s the law, I mean, you know, to have good tread going to the mountains, man.
SPEAKER 12 :
Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, for sure.
SPEAKER 06 :
Hey, Body Shop as well. Hey, hope you don’t need that. But I’m telling you, Dan, everything can be covered right there at Len Lyle Chevrolet, from the sales, the service. If you do happen to get into a fender bender, they can take great care of you there at Len Lyle Chevrolet. And as Dan said at the beginning, hey, if you’ve got a— a car that you’re not find yourself not using as much and you’d like to turn that into cash hey give dan a call and uh drop by there and see him at london chevrolet 14 500 he’s colfax let him know you heard him here on the show and i promise you they’ll take great great care of you and dan um what’s your for 2026 what’s what’s one special car you want to mention
SPEAKER 12 :
Well, if you want to get really special, then Corvette.
SPEAKER 06 :
Oh, man, yeah. How did that change?
SPEAKER 12 :
Well, they’re coming with some new models that are, you know, like crazy. You know, the Z06 upgrade there, you know, the E-Ray, which, you know, is an all-wheel drive Corvette. So, yeah, I mean, you know, not only is, you know, this current, mid-engine model you know they just keep making it better and better and more powerful and more fun and sure you know so that’s the crazy car but you know i mean we know we just got the new traverse you know just just this past year which i think has just been an unbelievable improvement you know it’s not doesn’t have a minivan look to it at all it’s kind of more like a you know a rugged Tahoe kind of look, I mean, and, you know, for a whole lot less money, and they’re awesome, they’re great. We got a lot of good stuff. We have all the electric stuff, and then the bread and butter, Silverado half-ton like what you drive. There’s nothing better. I drive one, too.
SPEAKER 06 :
Yeah, man, I love it. I tell you, I absolutely love it. Hey, get by and see Dan this weekend, and again, let them know you heard them here on KLZ 560, and we would appreciate that. So, Dan, I know you’re busy on a Saturday. We thank you for your time, and I’ll get by and see you soon, my friend.
SPEAKER 12 :
All right, have a good weekend. Thank you.
SPEAKER 06 :
All right, you as well. I want to thank all of our guests today. Hey, Dr. Melissa Fling and also Jimmy Graham and, of course, Dan Johnson, Lynn Lyle, Sheriff Relay. Thanks for being with us today for Sportsman Colorado. Hope you have a great rest of your weekend, and we’ll talk to you next week.
SPEAKER 15 :
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