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Join us on this engaging journey into the world of automotive expertise as we dive deep into some of the most interesting aspects of car maintenance and repair. Whether you’re a Chevy enthusiast or simply curious about modern automotive care, this episode of Drive Radio covers intriguing questions including the ignition timing for classic models and the evolving aspects of modern diesel maintenance. Our hosts share insightful tips on dealing with catalytic converter issues, understanding tailgate options, and keeping your diesel running smoothly. We also uncover the importance of routine maintenance and offer practical solutions to common vehicular challenges.
SPEAKER 19 :
Being an expert on general automotive knowledge, what would the correct ignition timing be on a 1955 Bel Air Chevrolet with a 327 cubic inch engine and a four barrel carburetor?
SPEAKER 17 :
It is a trick question. Watch this. Because Chevy didn’t make a 327 in 55. The 327 didn’t come out until 62. And it wasn’t offered in the Bel Air with a four-barrel carb until 64. However, in 1964, the correct ignition timing would be four degrees before top dead center.
SPEAKER 12 :
Get ready for another hour of Drive Radio, brought to you by Colorado’s select auto care centers. Got a question for the experts? Then give them a call, 303-477-5600. Now it’s time to pop the hood and get our hands dirty. Drive Radio on KLZ 560 The Source.
SPEAKER 07 :
And we are back. Drive Radio, KLZ 560. Hour number two, if you’re just joining us, thank you very much. Pat Schneid with me from Alltech Automotive up in Fort Collins. Somebody said the wind’s blowing up there fairly hard now. Still showing some snow up in the Cheyenne area for a lot of you that are up in that area as well. Thanks for the updates. I appreciate it greatly. Dan in Blackhawk, you are first this hour.
SPEAKER 11 :
Hey, how’s it going today?
SPEAKER 07 :
Good, Dan. How are you?
SPEAKER 11 :
Doing good. I got a question and maybe you guys can direct me in the right direction. I have a My dad gave me a 2019 Chevy Silverado Duramax. Okay, nice. And it’s got the check engine light. Before he gave it to me, he had it checked out down in Lake Havasu, Arizona, and they said the catalytic converters need to be replaced. Is there a shop in town that can do that besides the dealership?
SPEAKER 07 :
Yes. Any of the, like in your case, Arvada West, who’s probably closest to you coming down out of Blackhawk, they could do that for you. And it’s interesting. And again, I would have them look at that because, first of all, how many miles are on it?
SPEAKER 11 :
$192,000 or $196,000. It’s a 2019. Okay, yeah.
SPEAKER 07 :
And that’s got a DPF filter and some other stuff on it as well, so they’ll check all of that and see exactly what’s needed. And there are sometimes ways to clean those, depending upon how bad they’re sooted up and what they actually look like. And that shop, especially, very familiar with everything I just said.
SPEAKER 11 :
Nevada West?
SPEAKER 07 :
Nevada West Truck and Auto.
SPEAKER 11 :
Okay. And then if it was purchased in Colorado, which I think it was, did they have California cats on the diesel?
SPEAKER 07 :
No, that’s a whole different ballgame on those.
SPEAKER 11 :
That’s a whole different ballgame. Okay, and then on top of it, they had a lift gate on the back of it. The dealership he bought it from, they took the lift gate up, but they didn’t replace any of the tailgate parts. And it’s missing all the parts. I do have the shell of the tailgate. but I need to get all the hardware.
SPEAKER 07 :
So you’ve got the tailgate itself, but you don’t have the hardware that goes on the truck?
SPEAKER 09 :
Yep.
SPEAKER 07 :
So you’re missing the little cups and things and the cables and stuff that are actually usually left on the truck itself. That’s what you’re missing?
SPEAKER 11 :
That is correct.
SPEAKER 07 :
Okay. On that year of truck, those things should be able to be bought from the dealership pretty easily. There should be a schematic. In fact, Dan, you can probably find a schematic and a blow-up and even get your own part numbers of what you specifically would need based upon what you know you have on the gate versus what needs to go on the bed of the truck. I would look up my own part numbers if it were me.
SPEAKER 11 :
Yeah. I don’t want to say problems. But there’s multiple – they had multiple tailgate options that year. Like there’s gate access. There’s – I’m assuming – I think it had the backup camera.
SPEAKER 07 :
Yes. Well, and again, all of that should be in – so you have the original gate that came on the truck?
SPEAKER 11 :
No. It never came with the gate.
SPEAKER 07 :
Oh, it never had a gate on it. So where did you get the tailgate from?
SPEAKER 11 :
I bought it off of eBay.
SPEAKER 07 :
Okay, and is it just a standard single gate?
SPEAKER 11 :
Yeah, and the reason why I did that is because it matched the color of the truck.
SPEAKER 07 :
Sure, makes sense. Does it have backup camera and all that in it, or is it just blank?
SPEAKER 11 :
No, no, it’s just the shell. That’s all it is.
SPEAKER 07 :
Okay, so you need handle and the whole nine yards.
SPEAKER 11 :
Yeah, the whole kit and caboodle.
SPEAKER 07 :
Gotcha. Okay, what I would probably do, if it were me, is A, you’ve got to buy all the stuff that goes on the bed. That’s going to be separate because nobody’s going to have that. I mean, some of the used parts suppliers out there might have some of that stuff, but that stuff’s easy to get new. I would just buy new stuff from the dealer and be done with it. Now, the gate itself… I would find another gate that’s complete that might even be damaged, might even have dings, dents, whatever, but it would have all the hardware you need. I’d go buy a damaged tailgate. It doesn’t matter what color it is because you’re going to take all the crap off and just put it inside the one you have that matches, and off you go. That’s what I would do.
SPEAKER 11 :
Yeah, I was thinking that.
SPEAKER 07 :
Buy one where it’s been smushed, crushed, hit, damaged, whatever. As long as the handle and all that stuff is good, all the latches and stuff will be fine. None of that stuff ever gets damaged, Dan. It’s the shell that usually gets all messed up, and then just take the junk out of it and put it in yours and toss the other one.
SPEAKER 11 :
Okay.
SPEAKER 07 :
I would do that before trying to piece everything together. That’s what I would do.
SPEAKER 11 :
Okay, and then you talked, going back to the catalytic converters, how often should I do… How do I verify that I’m doing the maintenance on the engine so that it doesn’t… You know, I want to keep it up to date.
SPEAKER 07 :
No, that’s a great question. And on a diesel, nothing. Really, the key to a diesel and keeping all of that stuff soot-free and clean is drive it. And what I mean by that is drive it and drive it hard. The worst thing you can do to a diesel with all of the particulate system and the emission system that’s there is let it sit, let it idle. Like with us, where we plow snow, it’s one of the hardest things you could do on the systems. We struggle with that in my world because a lot of our trucks in the wintertime, that’s what they’re doing because it’s what we do. One of the worst things you could do for the catalyst system on one, in my case, we don’t have any choice. We just deal with it. We do what we can to get them cleaned out and so on. But the best thing to do with the diesel is go drive it. Change oil every, in your case, about 6,000 miles and drive it. Yep, drive it hard.
SPEAKER 11 :
Yeah, it has that computer system in there when it tells you when to change the oil.
SPEAKER 07 :
Yeah, and in your case, disregard that. Just do it at 6,000 miles and call it good.
SPEAKER 11 :
Okay, and then now that you said that, on top of that, so the truck was given to me. So prior to that, I still have it as a 737.
SPEAKER 07 :
uh diesel 2001 do i do the same do i want to drive that as much as possible the 2001 doesn’t have near the emissions devices on it on the 73 that that the you know that yours has in fact the 73 has none um i believe depending upon the truck you shouldn’t have anything on it at all it’ll be the engine and you can even put a straight pipe exhaust on it if you want to a lot of them were done that way back in the day yep
SPEAKER 11 :
Well, I’ve got, what, four-inch, six-inch exhaust.
SPEAKER 07 :
Okay, then it’s already straight piped and you’re done. You don’t have to do a thing to it. Just drive it.
SPEAKER 11 :
Okay, cool.
SPEAKER 07 :
Yeah, that one’s really easy. And those are becoming more valuable as time goes by. The 2019 isn’t going to decrease much either, but the 01 is going up in value because everybody wants one. Less emissions control. Yeah, because it has nothing on it.
SPEAKER 11 :
Okay, and then just before I get off the phone, I love your… All great questions, so you’re fine. …chromic. Yeah, from Cousin Vinny when he asked about the time. How many people do you think understand what that means?
SPEAKER 05 :
Very few. Oh, that’s such a funny clip, though. It’s a great movie.
SPEAKER 11 :
It is. And the way she looks at the judge, she’s just like, yep, okay, I know that. And the judge is looking at her like, his mouth is just wide open like, Okay.
SPEAKER 05 :
Yep, yep, the perfect New Jersey attitude.
SPEAKER 11 :
That’s a great clip.
SPEAKER 07 :
Really quick, Dan, on yours, on your gate, you know, before you go to even some of the used places and so on, just look online. You might find, I was looking the other day, I don’t know how I even got to looking at, I don’t know why I was looking at tailgates, just something come up in my, marketplace feed, but there’s a ton of tailgates on marketplace, and all you need is one that’s, even if it’s dinged up, damaged, backed into, has a ton of scratches in it, whatever the case, as long as it’s got the hardware you need, who cares? Yep, grab the brackets.
SPEAKER 11 :
Yeah, and I think, isn’t that… Of course, they changed body style, so I don’t have to specifically look for 2019. Is that correct?
SPEAKER 07 :
No, I can’t. I got to go back and remember. I think that’s the same from, I think they changed in 2020, body style. Hang on. Let me look here. I think you can go, and Pat might have to help me on this. Body style change? Yeah, when did the body style change in that? And that’s on the 2500s on the HD. It’s a 3500 HD. Gotcha. Yeah, I think… I’m trying to do this from memory. I believe they changed that one. But, again, this is where you’ve really got to look it up because the gates, just because they changed the body, Dan, doesn’t mean the gates changed. That’s where it gets really weird on trucks.
SPEAKER 05 :
Well, so what I’m pulling up from ChatGPT is showing in 2020 there was a full redesign implemented, which was newer and wider. So they probably did change the gates. So that means the gate’s probably different then, yes.
SPEAKER 11 :
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER 07 :
Okay, so… So like 2019, I think you can go all the way back to, I want to say the next big version was 2012, but 2011 maybe? Dan, I’m trying to do this from memory, and I’d have to look this one up specifically, but I think you can go all the way back to like 2010, 2011 pretty easily. Again, ChatGPT just pulled up 2015. 2015, okay, so 2015 to 2019 is the same. And again, the gates, what makes this weird is, to Pat’s point, the gates get weird. Sometimes even the body is the same, but the gates change. Yep. No, I shouldn’t say that. The dimensions are basically the same, but the gate still changes.
SPEAKER 05 :
Well, you’ll have body lines, contours that will match up.
SPEAKER 07 :
Correct. Even though the gate dimension might be the same. It’ll look funny. But in your case, what you really need to get specific on is did the hardware change even with some of those body style changes? They may not have. They may have left the hardware the same. Solid point.
SPEAKER 11 :
Okay. So I can just do a… I’ll probably just search and see.
SPEAKER 07 :
Do an AI search. That’s the best way to do this is say, okay, I’m looking for specific hardware from a 2019 blah, blah, blah, you know, 2500 HD. What models of trucks have the same gate hardware based upon what I’m giving you?
SPEAKER 11 :
Okay. Okay, I’ll do that.
SPEAKER 07 :
They usually fill in the blanks.
SPEAKER 11 :
So I’ll give Arvada West a call and see what they can do.
SPEAKER 07 :
They can help you on the emissions side for sure, Dan.
SPEAKER 05 :
Well, and what they’re saying on the Internet here is that you have, in a 2019, what’s called a third-generation Silverado HD. There you go.
SPEAKER 11 :
A third-generation HD. Okay, so if I type that in, it should… Yes.
SPEAKER 07 :
Fourth-generation came out in 2020. Which I think is the same today. I don’t think they’ve changed. But again, don’t quote me because they change them all the time. And I have not, I’ll be the first to admit, they change these things so much anymore that I don’t even keep up on the model versions. I figure when it comes time to look something up, you take a VIN number and you go look it up and off of that, and I haven’t even paid attention to the rest of it anymore. Okay.
SPEAKER 11 :
In the world, the difference between that 2019 and my 2001 is amazing. Huge. I haul a fifth wheel.
SPEAKER 04 :
Huge.
SPEAKER 11 :
I haul a fifth wheel. It’s got that engine brake on it. So when I went up this fall, on the backside of Eisenhower, I put that engine brake on, and I didn’t even have to hit my brakes the whole way down.
SPEAKER 07 :
Oh, very cool. Yeah, no, the engine brake works really well. You’re 100%.
SPEAKER 11 :
Yep.
SPEAKER 07 :
And I was correct. So the fourth generation is now the same. That’s what I thought. I don’t think they had changed him much. They’re talking about doing another change and have a fifth generation, but, you know, who knows when that will come out. And Pat’s right. Your third generation was 2015, 2019.
SPEAKER 11 :
Okay, cool. That helps me out a bunch. Thank you very much.
SPEAKER 07 :
Dan, great questions, by the way. Appreciate that. And tailgates on trucks. By the way, as a side note for a lot of you that have trucks, tailgate theft is huge. So where you park, make sure things are locked. On and on we go because tailgate theft is huge across the country. Well, now with quick-release tailgates, it can be a 20-second deal. And a tailgate replacement can be a few thousand bucks. Yep. More than you think. So thank you, Dan. Great questions, by the way. All right. Lines are open. 303-477-5600. We’ll be back here in just one moment. Drive Radio KLZ 560.
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All right, we are back. Drive Radio, KLZ 560. Lines are open, 303-477-5600. Give us a call. And going back to the whole trucks and generations and so on, you know, guys, back in the day, I would have memorized all of that, but anymore, I’ll be honest with you, I don’t have to, don’t care to. Most things that I look up, even helping a lot of you guys look for things, is give me a VIN number and some mileage, and I’ll take it from there because everything has gotten so specific. Even from, you might be in the same generation, but go one year to another, and the part lookup changes because that’s the way things have happened inside. So just because the body is the same doesn’t mean some of the internal things have stayed the same, Pat.
SPEAKER 05 :
Oh, that’s 100%, and I think what we talked about on break is that the power of the Internet now has allowed things to get that complicated and that different and that individual, and then you have to harness that power and learn how to use that So if you go to a regular, call it a Google search or whatever search engine you use, then you up that to an artificial intelligence with ChatGPT or one of its competing engines. Wow. Unlimited potential right here at your fingerprints. We didn’t used to have that 10 years ago.
SPEAKER 07 :
No. Meaning back in the day, you could memorize some of the different generations and different this and different that, and you kind of knew, well, this will work on that and so on. And it’s gotten so complicated that even certain sensors where you would think, well, that’ll work from this one to the other. There are even some, Pat can attest this, there are some sensors that depending upon the car and when it was made in that model year run might even be different from one month to another. And I’m not exaggerating when I say that.
SPEAKER 05 :
Well, literally, they’ll buy them in bulk to manufacturers, and when they run out, they’ve got to make a switch. And so, yeah, you’ll have a mid-year, mid-month change, and that can be problematic, right? And so you used to have to say, well, take that one out of the car. I’m taking it downtown to the parts counter. I’m going to hold it there and compare it to the one I’m buying. You don’t have to do that anymore. You can do all that on the Internet.
SPEAKER 07 :
Correct. Yeah, again, for those of you where it’s, you know, you’re probably thinking, why haven’t you memorized that stuff? I don’t have to. I’m past that day and age where it’s like, okay, let me ask a lot of you this question. How many of you still memorize phone numbers? Because I don’t. No. I’ve stopped doing that. Back in the day, I could almost read off every vendor’s phone number that I had and friends and relatives and so on, and you had it all off the top of your head. Just as a side note, there’s only so much brain computing power that you have, and I’ve gotten to the point where it’s like, you know what? I don’t need to fill it up with stuff I don’t need to know anymore, and I don’t need to know that stuff anymore.
SPEAKER 05 :
No, that’s true, but I’ll guarantee you that you still have your childhood home phone number memorized. Oh, still do. Right.
SPEAKER 07 :
Because that one just became automatic, and you had it for so long. I still remember some of our old phone numbers for the business and stuff, but point being, you don’t need to do that any longer, and most don’t.
SPEAKER 05 :
Nope. New contacts go into your smartphone, and you get a phone number, a mobile phone number, and an email address, and you decide later when to use them.
SPEAKER 07 :
That’s exactly right. All right, let’s do this. We’re up against where we can run our review that we did on Monday. This one’s a little bit longer because we did a Toyota Tacoma, the new version of. Richard got a chance to drive that car, so listen up. We’ll come back. We’ve got calls coming in. Larry will get us all dialed in, 303-477-5600. Drive Radio, KLZ 560.
SPEAKER 06 :
We don’t yell at you. We inform you. Now, back to Rush to Reason.
SPEAKER 07 :
All right, we are back. Rush to Reason, Denver’s Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560. Also that time when we play drive radio as well because we do car reviews on a weekly basis. Richard, what have you driven lately?
SPEAKER 08 :
Yeah, Dad, so I drove a pretty fun car, or I should say a truck. I’m going to misstate it. A 2025 Toyota Tacoma. This was the TRD Pro model. And I’ve got the window sticker that I’m going to pull up here real quick. And, Dad, this is a fantastic little truck, right? They redesigned this truck. I believe it was this year, if I’m not mistaken. And they’ve made a lot of improvements, right? They changed the styling. They updated the interior. It looks like a lot of the other, you know, Toyota trucks and SUVs and all those different things out there. And what I would say is this, that this vehicle is right in line with a lot of these other midsize trucks, right? This is in line with a lot of the other manufacturers that, however, this model specifically, which again is the TRD Pro model, is made to basically be bought specifically And then driven off-road, the minute that you buy it on the lot, you don’t have to add a whole lot to it. You don’t have to change a whole lot to it, right? It comes with everything. For example, it’s got trimmed and heated, ventilated performance front seats. The front seats that actually have, like, shock.
SPEAKER 07 :
Oh, those are cool. I actually wanted to see those. I had a crazy week where I would have seen those personally, but I wanted to see those.
SPEAKER 08 :
Yeah. And they include a little hand pump, and you can basically change it to on-road, off-road. You can set the settings. It’s got two different shock dampeners on each side, so it’s the front and back motion and the side-to-side motion. And again, all that’s included. It’s got a TRD Pro heated steering wheel. It’s got the 10-speaker sound system. It’s also got the JBL system or the little mini speaker that you can kind of pop out as a Bluetooth option that you can take and do what you need to. Underneath the hood, Dad, this is probably the best thing, especially for our altitude. It’s got the i-FORCE MAX 2.4-liter four-cylinder turbocharged hybrid powertrain, along with the eight-speed automatic transmission. It’s got the four-wheel drive demand, part-time 4×4 system, TRD-tuned Fox transmissions, internal bypass shocks, electronically controlled locking differential, and I can sit here and go on and on. Folks, I think you can see this thing is made to be bought and then driven off-road. And, Dad, you and I were talking kind of last week, I should say, when we had this vehicle, that this is sort of becoming a very popular segment of the market, which is these off-road-tuned or off-road-capable midsize trucks, and we’ll get to the price here in a second, that people basically can buy and they don’t have to do a whole lot, too.
SPEAKER 07 :
Exactly. No. And for those of you listening in our area, one of the hottest trucks probably still sold in our area. Resale value because of that, I should say. Resale value very high. One of the few vehicles, Richard, that you can buy that you really don’t lose a lot of money on when it’s all said and done.
SPEAKER 08 :
No, Dad, you can buy these vehicles, you know, again, obviously there was the older V6, you know, editions of these that, you know, they had 200,000 miles on them, Dad, and they were still about 60% of the value of when you bought them, right? These things just really stand up to the test of time. This vehicle, as it sits, Dad, because people are going to want to know. 67,410. And so yes, folks, a Toyota Tacoma is 67,000. However, if you compare that to the competition, dad, with how they are outfitted and everything else, and this is not a standard Tacoma, right? I just want to make sure that people know that this vehicle is not just your run of the mill, you even limited, whatever it might be. This is an off-road variant of that they are you know kind of a special edition and like you said that those special editions at times and not special in the sense of you know they’re making a limited run but just special with a lot of the features that are on there they tend to do better in the resale market and on this vehicle which which like we talked about we’ve driven other models i can say that that this thing runs well it looks fantastic um it was a really that pretty kind of sand brown color to it they’ve got some different fenders on it which are nice it’s got some steel bump steel bumpers that make it great, some different colors. It’s just this vehicle stands out in the right ways, and I would encourage folks that if you’re interested to go check it out because, again, yes, is that price point high? Yes, but if you were to go buy a standard Tacoma, Dad, and then outfit it the way that you maybe would want to, you’re probably in the same ballpark, and obviously you did that for years. you know, when it comes to outfitting these vehicles, it can get expensive.
SPEAKER 07 :
Oh, yeah, no, your aftermarket bill gets extremely high, and by the way, much higher than it even used to be. A lot of that now is included from the factory. And again, you can still personalize after that if you want to do certain things that give you that ability as well. But no, to your point, Richard, taking a stock truck, turning it into something that in this case is already done for you, the already done for you is still the cheapest way. And… On top of that, you get all the warranty that comes from the factory along with it.
SPEAKER 08 :
I was just going to say, you get the factory warranty. You’re not going to get any questions about it, what went on, anything like that. And again, Dad, the nice thing that they’ve done is there’s really not a whole lot of options on this vehicle. They’ve given you a towing technology package, which includes wireless camera system. You’ve got courtesy delivery, rear differential skid plate, some things like that. Real quick, Dad, fuel economy, 22 and 24 for 23. About the only real negative I can have on this vehicle, and it’s more of just you’ve just kind of got to get used to it, it’s got a pretty small fuel tank. So I was actually less than 300 miles of range in terms of when I was actually able to drive it. So I had to kind of fill up midweek just because the average driving around Colorado that folks know, you’re going further than maybe you are in other markets. But is that something that will prevent me from buying this vehicle? No. And again, if you’re looking to buy something that can go off-road, can do a little bit of minor towing, some things of that nature, I would highly recommend this vehicle. And honestly, Dad, I would say to… Anyone who’s interested, maybe you’ve seen this vehicle, you’ve admired it from afar, head to your local Toyota dealer, test drive them, see what they’ve got on the lot, and I would encourage you to really get your friends and your family in it because I think that you’ll be really pleased with what Toyota’s done. Again, 2025 Toyota Tacoma TRD Pro. Let them know that John and Richard Rush from Drive Radio and Rush to Reason sent you.
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SPEAKER 07 :
All right, we are back. Drive Radio, KLZ 560. Okay, question of the day, which we threw out early on and didn’t really get any responses. So this is a good question, by the way. First car, either that you purchased in retirement. We did get an answer, actually, from probably Mike along those lines on the EV. But what’s the first car that you’ve purchased in retirement? Or what will… You purchase in retirement, 303-477-5600. Again, myself, Pat Schneid, Alltech Automotive up in Fort Collins. And again, any questions that you’ve got for us today, we’re here to answer. Outside of even the question of the day could be, hey, I’m looking to buy a new car. I’m looking to buy a used car. I’ve got a question on a car. I’ve got a light on. Whatever the case may be, we’ll help you through all of that. Absolutely. That’s what we’re here for. So again, what is that car that you would buy in retirement? Some of you have done that. Now, for me, personally, my problem is I just keep flipping. Yep, yep. I’ll get something, and I’ll do it for a while, and maybe make a little money on it or whatever, and then I’ll flip it off and do something else, and that’s just me.
SPEAKER 05 :
And that’s okay. The variety of it is nice. And so I’m like you. I would do the same. And I have a couple of requirements. So I want to have a shop that I can put five to seven to ten vehicles in because I want them inside. I want them to be clean when they go in. Then when I want to drive them, they’re clean. And when I sell them, they’re clean. And, yeah, they’re a lot more fun that way.
SPEAKER 07 :
Well, and for some of you that don’t have that space availability, and this is something I don’t know if we’ve ever really covered, and not, especially in today’s world, not all homes give you that ability. Some homes might have a three-car garage, but even that’s fairly limiting depending upon the size of the doors and the height and so on. Some of you end up with really nice garages. Some of you have the ability to put a garage or a shop out back. Others, your renting space someplace else, your man cave, if you would, quote, unquote, that’s becoming more and more popular, although it’s also getting more and more expensive.
SPEAKER 05 :
Correct.
SPEAKER 07 :
Most of the man caves where you might put, I don’t know, depending upon the size of the man cave, you might get half a dozen cars in it depending upon the layout, and you’re going to spend $400,000 for that. Right. And I’m not exaggerating when I say that. I mean, it’s not a large space. You’re going to get 1,500 square feet or so, and it’s going to be $400,000 or more.
SPEAKER 05 :
Well, and so just as space has gotten expensive, vehicles have gotten expensive. And so a lot of style choices there, too. And I particularly am one that liked to drive a little bit older vehicle. And so I would just as soon have five cars each valued at $20,000 as I would a $100,000 car, for example.
SPEAKER 07 :
And you know what? I’ve got, you know, all of the above. So it just depends on what you’re looking to do and the car you’re looking to own. Correct. And I can fully understand what Pat’s saying as far as that goes. And just keep this in mind as well is that – How should I say this in a nice way? It’s getting harder to find people to work on the older vehicles. Oh, for sure. So if you’re going to own an older vehicle, having some skills to work on an older vehicle isn’t a bad thing because finding people to do work on them outside of yourself, Pat, is getting harder and harder to do.
SPEAKER 05 :
Well, that’s absolutely true. And so we look at that as a shop in Fort Collins, right? So we typically like to work on vehicles that are 20 years old or less. And part of the reason is we have a lot of technicians that are in their 20s. So if you bring in a 1970s or 80s carbureted vehicle, they don’t have the slightest idea where to start. And so, yes, you do need to have either a specialty shop or some skills or some friends. And now we will look at those cars on occasion, but a lot of shops won’t, to your point, John. So…
SPEAKER 07 :
Yeah, and I’ve had that question for some of you. You’ll text in and say, you know, who can work on XYZ? Yeah. And the, you know, the reality is, and I coach auto shops, so I’ll just say this, you know, bluntly. I’ve even got most of my auto shops where we decide what is our year cut off of things that we’re not going to work on any longer. Yep. that’s not 1950. In most cases, it could be we’re not working on anything 2000 and older because what happens is parts availability, the tooling to even work on some of those vehicles as far as the computers and such go, gets old and dated, and you may not even have what you need for that any longer because the tools have been updated into the newer models, and, and, and, and, and we go. And it gets to the point where your efficiency starts to drop significantly Correct. On the older vehicles, meaning as a shop, you just can’t make money working on those. And I know for a lot of people, they can’t wrap their head around that. They’re like, well, if you charge X amount per hour, you ought to be able to make money. Well, what if production stops? Right. Now you’re not making any.
SPEAKER 05 :
And it does in some of the scenarios you just described. So there was a fairly obvious cutoff in vintage right at 1996 with onboard diagnostics version two. Right. And so from there forward, you have better diagnostic ability with your scan tool and some of the tools that you use in the shop to figure out and repair what’s going on. However, what you also just said is from 1996 to probably, what, 2004, 2005, 2006 now, there’s a lot of plastic in those cars, and so you cannot get those parts. And so if you can’t find a part production stops and that car is blocking your bay, that’s a bad business decision, and that’s why shops do it that way.
SPEAKER 07 :
Yeah, because it’s costing you production at that point.
SPEAKER 05 :
Right.
SPEAKER 07 :
So what a lot of folks don’t understand, and I’ll explain this in the next few minutes here because this is pretty, you would think, pretty black and white, but for a lot of folks, they don’t know how shops work. So if that vehicle in the bay, is not being worked on, and I get it, there’s always some parts downtime and so on, that’s why in a lot of cases a shop will run two bays per tech. Not all, because not everybody has that kind of room, but you might run at least two bays a tech or a bay and a half a tech, depending on, maybe techs will share one bay because of what I just said. You want to keep working, and keep production going so you get this particular you know vehicle all done handle checked out the estimates getting sold you’re getting parts ordered off you go but everything’s not there yet but you don’t want to run it out of the bay so you jump over and you work on the next car in the next bay and you try to do that flip-flopping as much as you can now some shops only have the ability to have one tech one bay it’s really important in those scenarios that that vehicle come in and out in a timely fashion because if all of a sudden you’re waiting for parts Production stops, you’re not making any money out of that bay. And folks, believe me, as the price of real estate continues to grow, meaning the rents are growing, meaning that that production, every square inch of that shop has to be generating revenue. Otherwise, you’re not going to stay in business. That’s right. And Pat, you of all people understand what I just said.
SPEAKER 05 :
Well, and we have had over the, you know, I’ve been in this business now 10 years. We’ve taken on some projects because we did have the ability. And in the end, you look back at it and say, was it a good business decision? No, it necessarily wasn’t. We probably lost money doing it. So, I mean, you do learn from some of those experiences. And to your point, there are plenty of resources in the world. And you can find them better today than ever before through the Internet. You just have to understand that if you’re going to choose to own and drive one of those vehicles, it is going to cost you more than a new one.
SPEAKER 07 :
Well said, Pat. Well said. Mark and Wiggins, go ahead.
SPEAKER 10 :
Hey, good morning. I’m actually one hand on the wrench and one hand on the phone working on the carburetor on a 1986 Chevy. It’s got a 454. Your quadrajet? Yep, yeah. I took the quadrajet and the Holley, actually, that was on here down to a shop in Englewood yesterday. That’s called the carburetor shop. And Jay, you know, I didn’t expect him to work it on a Friday, but he said, you know, give me an hour and I’ll take a look at it. And found a spring that I would have never found this, but a spring that was causing the secondaries to not fully retract and therefore causing the engine to go in high RPM for idle mode. But he got that in the Holley, I think it was called the primary pump, adjusted and And so I’ve been contemplating, you know, I put the Quadradet on last night, but it doesn’t have a choke. It’s got the divorce choke, which needs a proper manifold.
SPEAKER 07 :
And so his suggestion was… You can put an electric choke on that, too, that pod on the side that normally would have the coil in it. You can put an electric choke on that. That was very common back in the day.
SPEAKER 10 :
Well, it doesn’t have the pod. It’s got linkage to like a spring.
SPEAKER 07 :
Oh, it’s got the linkage that goes down below that sits on top of the manifold and runs that way. I think you can still, don’t quote me on this, Mark, but I believe back in the day they still made an electric choke option for that. I’d have to go look up the part number for you, but you could still convert those to electric back in the day.
SPEAKER 10 :
we did a lot of interesting okay because what happened on those is the manifold where that used to sit down below the manifolds would get plugged up with carbon and you couldn’t get them decarbon so the easiest thing to do is you cheated just put an electric choke on them well this has like a plate and i was curious when i was uh changing out the intake manifold gasket what was under that plate i thought maybe it was just like an empty cavity but no it actually goes into the manifold so i thought if you had that heat piece in there you just created a massive vacuum you should block that off and you put the electric choke on and go is what we used to do yeah well i’ve got i’ve got the holly that has the electric choke which i’m about to swap over right now but uh uh thought i’d just try them both since it was cold this morning it would not start no they’re tough when it’s that way yeah that really no i had the choke wired shut you need a choke just yeah yeah people don’t realize what they do but yeah on a carbureted vehicle they won’t start without choking them Yeah. Unless you’ve got some starting fluid around. For Jay at the carb shop, he really helped me out. But I do have a question about this particular vehicle. So it was not well-maintained whatsoever when I got it four or five years ago. And I’ve just slowly been trying to get things managed and fixed and leaks repaired. But one thing that I can’t quite figure out myself is, you know, there’s… The dashboard has the pressure gauge for the oil, the temperature gauge, and voltmeter. And I’m thinking the gauges are not reading real well because of maybe grounds, and then the sensors themselves, like the oil senders, probably worn out. But the one that doesn’t work at all is the voltage. And I’m sitting in the – looking at the engine right now for the alternator, and it’s got the one power wire to the alternator. One wire alternator. The two wires that come off the side, I think that’s to the voltage regulator. But other than that, there’s nothing obvious where I would be getting a voltage sensor or sense that – where would my next direction to look for? Because when I turn the key on, nothing happens. You know, it doesn’t move. The needle doesn’t, you know, come alive or anything like that. So would that be in the circuit board in the dash or a fuse or somewhere else?
SPEAKER 07 :
No, those always ran right through the back of the gauge itself. There was a wire in, wire out, and that’s how they sense the voltage.
SPEAKER 05 :
That’s what I was going to suggest. Maybe get down under that floorboard with a flashlight and make sure that wire is there and connected and clean and tight.
SPEAKER 10 :
Oh, okay. I pulled the dash apart a month ago, and the other gauges are like a plug-in, like they’ve got two or three bolts that you push onto the actual circle board plate from the back or something like that. And then it’s got that…
SPEAKER 07 :
What year is that one again, Mark?
SPEAKER 1 :
1980?
SPEAKER 10 :
I can’t remember.
SPEAKER 1 :
86.
SPEAKER 10 :
86. And it’s got that paper circuit board on the back.
SPEAKER 07 :
Yeah, it’s got a printed circuit.
SPEAKER 10 :
Printed circuit, yeah, thank you.
SPEAKER 07 :
Yeah, it’s a Chevy. Correct, Chevy truck, right? Correct.
SPEAKER 05 :
Yeah, so that is almost the last of the square body, so it’s that dashboard that we’re all familiar with.
SPEAKER 07 :
But I still, on the printed circuit, and again, I’m doing this from memory because it’s been a long time since I’ve had the dash of one of those apart. The printed circuit, the gauge still goes into the printed circuit, and the printed circuit is feeding the voltage, if I’m not mistaken, I believe is how that works.
SPEAKER 10 :
So possibly there could be a break in the printed circuit?
SPEAKER 07 :
Yeah, and usually you can chase those out and look, you can use an ohmmeter usually and kind of chase that printed circuit and determine where there’s loss of connection.
SPEAKER 10 :
Okay, okay.
SPEAKER 07 :
And that would be the first thing I would look at on that because the one-wire alternator, those are pretty simplistic. Gotcha.
SPEAKER 10 :
It sounds like I’m starting to break up a little bit, but I just… No, you’re fine. We can hear you. I appreciate you, John.
SPEAKER 07 :
And I did look up the gauge for that, Mark. So that particular gauge, that is going to be, I believe, independent of the printed circuit. It should have wires coming in and out of that particular voltmeter.
SPEAKER 10 :
Okay.
SPEAKER 07 :
I just looked up that gauge, and I just found new old stock, and it’s got two poles on the back of it where the voltage is coming and going.
SPEAKER 05 :
And just what you said about when you key on, key off, and the gauge doesn’t even flutter, I mean, I wonder if there might be an inline fuse that’s blown. Something. Yeah, just start doing some basic electrical between tracing that wire back to its source.
SPEAKER 07 :
Yep, because it is a straight wire coming in and out, Mark.
SPEAKER 10 :
Oh, there we go. Okay, my signal just came back. You said straight wire coming through.
SPEAKER 07 :
Yeah, that one is not, that one is, even though it’s in the dash and the circuits and all of that, it may use the printed circuit to light the gauge itself up is all, but the readings are coming out of the wire from the alternator back out. It’s a straight through, just like all the old volt meters were made.
SPEAKER 10 :
Oh, does it have like a little screw, tiny screw nut to hold the?
SPEAKER 07 :
Yep, they got two, there’s two poles on the back of the gauge.
SPEAKER 10 :
Oh, maybe it came loose. Maybe that’s what happened.
SPEAKER 07 :
Could be, and that’d be the first thing to check, yes.
SPEAKER 10 :
Well, that would be easy.
SPEAKER 07 :
Yeah, that one’s easy to get out, so double-check that.
SPEAKER 10 :
Okay.
SPEAKER 07 :
Okay, and by the way, I sent you an email a minute ago on that choke that works for that quadrajet, too. Thank you. Nice. All right, Mark, I’ll let you roll. Appreciate you very much. If you’ve got anything else, give me a call back. Got to take a break. We’ll be right back. Drive Radio, KLZ 560.
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All right, we are back. Myself, Pat Schneid, Alltech Automotive, and I had a text message on this, and we were also thinking through at the same time, so thank you for the message. Mark, if you’re still listening, and I don’t remember on your truck because I know you’ve done some different things with it, and it’s not all original throughout, check to make sure the fuses are good. That does have a… a voltmeter fuse wire, volt amp. I think it’s even marked on the fuse box. I don’t know exactly what number that fuse is, but double-check to make sure that all the fuses in that truck are working correctly. And that fuse box also just, well, he probably knows this, but some of you listening, those were not easy to work on. That thing was tucked way up underneath, and they were a pain in the neck, and always had to have a flashlight because you couldn’t hardly see anything up inside of there. So anyways, double-check all that. Make sure that the fuse box is is we don’t have a bad fuse or even the connection in and out of the box sometimes those could become an issue as well because some of those older trucks let’s face it they weren’t uh completely water tight like you would think and they would develop rust and corrosion and different things depending upon where the truck came from and how it was stored and how many holes got punched through the firewall for whatever accessories some guy decided to put in and and and and and i can go down the list Good memories. Some of those were a chore back in the day to work on. And I will just say straight up, that dash alone, because of the way it was made, all the metal and so on, they were not fun to work on at all.
SPEAKER 05 :
Well, that’s right. They were a big piece of metal and then had a dash pad bolted on top and a plastic face panel bolted on top. But once you got all plastic off, it’s metal and just small access holes.
SPEAKER 07 :
So to get in there… And they were sharp and you’d cut your hands and your arms and they were pain in the neck. Yep. Pain in the neck is right. I don’t miss those. Let’s just say this. Made money working on those back in the day, Pat, but I don’t miss those. No, I like them when they’re all put together and running, though. They look great. When they came up with the 88 trucks, when they came out with the new body style, oh, man, did a lot of that stuff improve. Now, I will say this. The original sweeping gauges that were in the 88, 89s, I think 90, they finally changed. But those two years with those stupid sweeping gauges that never functioned properly, they were total garbage. And GM only did them for a couple of years, and they were awful.
SPEAKER 05 :
Yes, that was a move to big plastic.
SPEAKER 07 :
Yeah, and even the way that they sort of tried to digitize some of that, yeah, that was a failure. They changed that after a couple of years because those two years they tried it just didn’t pan out very well, and they finally made them the right way after that.
SPEAKER 05 :
Well, they were trying to look futuristic. You go back and look at them now, and they just look ridiculous.
SPEAKER 07 :
They had those bars that swept in the speedometer and the tachometer, and it was a good idea that just never fully panned out. So anyways, Eric, you’re next. Go ahead.
SPEAKER 09 :
Hey, John. I’ve got a question for you guys, and I’m saying this. I’m asking this question half serious, half sarcastic, leaning towards serious. longer find the correct windshield wiper for a modern vehicle? Do you just send it to the junkyard or do you just drive without a wiper?
SPEAKER 07 :
How late model of a vehicle are you talking?
SPEAKER 09 :
Here’s the deal. My wife’s 2013 Buick Verano. The passenger side wiper uses an odd fitting and it’s supposed to be what they call a bean style wiper blade. The first couple of years that we had the car, and we’ve owned the car since new, I would just walk into any old parts store and get the correct wiper. That was as I could. In the last few years, the only thing that has worked is the Bosch Evo. It’s part number 4842. Okay. Well, apparently, Bosch has redesigned the wiper and redesigned the connector point. And my new wiper that just showed up in the mail thing, I can’t find one locally. Wow.
SPEAKER 07 :
Because of the adapter, or I’m assuming just the adapter itself?
SPEAKER 09 :
Combination. It’ll take me a little bit to send you a picture, but so the new design, or the old design had a raised, everything was enclosed where the fitting is. It was a raised channel, and then you have the flex wheel sitting on top of it, attached to it. The new one Actually, the metal of the wiper, its body itself, is slightly wider than, you know, it sticks out to the sides of the wiper a little bit. And then the arm or the attachment point is sitting a little bit lower. So as a result, it hits the arm. There’s no way to do anything with it. Because I sat there messing with it for 10 minutes going, why won’t this fit? Why won’t this fit? Why won’t this fit? And I could tell it had been redesigned before I finally realized that there was this little piece of metal on the side that’s connecting. And I just went to AutoZone, and he says, we’re showing discontinue. He says, nothing available. I’m going to try and just run over to the dealer and see what they tell me now. But in the past, everything the dealer tells me never worked.
SPEAKER 07 :
And did you try crossing, or did you look up the actual OEM part number by chance?
SPEAKER 09 :
Um… Yeah, but like I said, usually when I go to the dealer and get what they show as the OEM blade, it doesn’t work.
SPEAKER 07 :
Gotcha. So it doesn’t really help you at the end of the day.
SPEAKER 09 :
No.
SPEAKER 07 :
Interesting. Yeah, send me some pictures. Let me see what I can do. Send me your pictures and VIN, and let me see what I can do for you.
SPEAKER 09 :
All right.
SPEAKER 07 :
I’ll help you out. I’ll be happy to, Eric.
SPEAKER 09 :
I’m going to email Bosch about this, too.
SPEAKER 07 :
Okay. Well, again, yeah, that’s not a bad idea, but send me pictures, VIN. Let me see what I can find for you as well. I’d be happy to help.
SPEAKER 04 :
All right, thanks, Eric.
SPEAKER 07 :
All right, Eric, appreciate it. No, David, David Whitlam Park, hang tight. We’ll come right back to you. We’ve got another full hour coming your way. Myself again, Patch Knight, Alltech Automotive up in Fort Collins. Larry Unger answering phones. Charlie Grimes, our engineer. We’ll be right back, guys. Don’t go anywhere. Drive Radio KLZ 560.
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