Bill Anderson joins John Rush for a Halloween edition of https://Ready-Radio.com, diving into the realities of preparedness through the lens of a recent hunting trip. What happens when the gear you trusted doesn’t perform as expected—or when nature refuses to cooperate? From failed heated socks to improvised fire setups and testing solar chargers in freezing temperatures, Bill’s field experience turns theory into practice. Their discussion takes a surprising turn when he admits the mountains may be one of the worst places to flee in a crisis. With tales of illegal outfitter practices, empty wilderness, and even a trick to
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Now, here’s your survival guide for Ready Radio, John Rush. And it’s Ready Radio, KLZ 560. Thanks for joining us today on Halloween. It is October the 31st. If you’re listening to the replay show, you know what day it is. Bill, welcome. How are you? I’m doing well. How are you? I’m good. How was hunting? I wasn’t planning on you today, so I’m glad you’re back.
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Yeah, it was unsuccessful. We didn’t see absolutely nothing. No sign, no nothing. So it just wasn’t the year, I guess.
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Yeah, you know what? Not to make light of things, but I’ve been there, done that before, so I can fully understand that. Yeah, yeah, that’s okay. Well, now, on the same token, though, did you get a chance to, I thought we could talk about today, did you get a chance to use anything or do some of the things that we talk about on a regular basis?
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Yeah, that’s kind of the fun part about the trip, you know, is testing out the gear. And, you know, we went from 50-degree days down to, I think, Monday, it got down to like 7 degrees or something. So, you know, quite a big, you know, temperature shift. And you suddenly remember all the stuff you, you know, you wish you had or you forgot or, you know, whatever, because you thought it was going to be warmer. You know, it’s the same thing we talk about all the time. It’s in theory, all this stuff sounds great. And then you get out there and it’s like, okay, does it, does it work? Right. Does it, um, you know, do like what you thought, you know, and, and I had my solar chargers and I played with them a bit to see, you know, just how fast they charge the phone. And I was quite surprised. Some of the ones I didn’t think would do as well outperform the ones that I thought were going to do great. So, you know, kind of got a little bit of downtime usually during the day there. Uh, when you’re not, you know, looking for those transition times when you’re hunting the elk. So you can play with some of this stuff, um, played with my bio light, you know, and boiled some water and charged my phone at the same time. And, uh, you know, played around with some, some ponchos and set up some, some different tent variations just for practice, just to play around with it. I mean, I, I took my little, my little, um, van motor home up there. So, you know, we didn’t have to sleep outside, but, you know, just kind of messing around and, and different ways to tie things up. And I was with a guy that showed me some of his stuff and just kind of bounced ideas off of each other. And, you know, a couple years ago, I bought some heated socks from Costco with the little battery packs.
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I’ve always wondered how those worked.
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They didn’t work. Yeah, they didn’t work so well. You know, you’ve got to test those out. And then I had some heated gloves, which, you know, realized I grabbed my wife’s instead of mine and it was much harder to put on a smaller pair, but. You know, that’s just kind of the stuff you do. You know, you work through things and what doesn’t work and what shovels work in the frozen dirt versus, you know, the soft dirt and even, you know, the different types of dirt we have up there in the mountains. You’ve got, you know, softer underneath the pine trees versus out there where there’s no trees, you know, the dirt’s much harder and trying to, you know, dig a hole and things like that was, you know, just interesting. You know, one thing I realized, everybody talks about, John, you know, if things were to go bad, that they would go to the mountains. And I’m up in the mountains going, this is probably the last place I would go because really, yeah, I mean, there’s some resources up there, but not much. That’s tough living conditions. As far as like wildlife and, yeah, wildlife. I mean, even in prime season, you know, I saw some grouse, but that’s about all I saw. You know, you’re not going to catch anything. We weren’t by any major lakes. Well, we’re kind of by Grand Lake there, but we would have had to have gone down and, you know, to the bigger lake. But, you know, the only thing really up there is really pine trees. And, yeah, that’s great fuel. But, you know, even in my little bio light and making a fire when you’re doing it with pine, you know, it burns fast. Right. Like, oh, you’re constantly feeding the fire versus some harder wood and things like that. Right. You know, it was good. Got to play with, you know, play with the compass and got to test out the new T-Mobile satellite service.
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Yeah, you know, and it’s funny. I’m going to stop there for a moment because I had somebody actually send me an email earlier this week, you know, talking about that very thing. And I have since switched over. I’ve only had it for a week, so I haven’t had an opportunity really to – play around with it much at all yet, Bill. And so, you know, I told this particular listener, hey, stay tuned. We’re going to talk about that. I didn’t know it’d be today, by the way, but I said, we’ll be talking about that in the very near future. I’ll do my best to even do some testing on it, but give me your experience with it so far.
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Yeah, it was great. You know, it’s a little bit of a delay and it tells you that when you, you know, are connected to satellite, it’ll say it’d be a little slower, but it not only ran, it ran 10 apps, And you can go on to T-Mobile and see what apps it will run. But it ran my Gmail. It ran my messaging. It ran WhatsApp or whatever that is. It ran my Maps. It ran my Onyx, which is my hunting app. All of that was all connected via satellite, which the Onyx was really good because the Onyx, you can – if you park the truck and – you can put a pinpoint there. And then you, if you go walking, you know, we were in parts, some parts of a really, really dense and pretty easy to get kind of turned around there. Half of area 18, they had the troublesome fire, I think in 2021, 20 ish or whatever. And it’s, it’s still a lot of, it’s still moonscape. And I think that had, you know, a big play a part into why we didn’t see much up there. Yep. Um, that, and, you know, unfortunately there was, uh, a big ranch there that they were bringing their people up on horses and they were running the elk back onto their ranch because they were at hunting guide services. And we, we’d caught them doing that. And it’s just, it’s, it’s, it’s really sad because I miss the days when, you know, Colorado was, you know, you went up and you hunted for your freezer and now it just seems to be trophy. And so many people up there were out of staters and, And I just like, I was really kind of discouraged and disappointed. I get it. It’s a revenue thing. I mean, a milk license for a resident is like 67 bucks or something. And it’s like, I want to say 800 or something for an out of stater. And that place was full of out of staters, but everybody had pulled out before we did just because literally nobody was, there was no shots. There was nothing going on. So that’s why we kind of came home and we went all kinds of various parts of rabbit ears and, and troublesome and uh elk mountain and if you know that whole area never summer range that’s all in area 18 up there by by crimling and and there was just nothing going on i think it was unseasonably warm um i’ve never hunted second season i always done four season so that was new for me i kind of like four season a little bit better there’s you know snow on the ground you can definitely track and you know see activity a little easier uh it’s a lot colder by by you know for sure right um you know i just uh just thought it was too warm for our area i mean we were in the migration between the winter and the summer ranges all through there but i think with the fire and everything going on they just weren’t there they were beaten ran onto the to the ranch there. And, and yeah, it’s just turned into a big commercial thing, which is, which is kind of sad. It was kind of disappointing to be honest with you, you know, fully understand.
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Uh, tell you what, let’s take a call real quick. So this John and Cheyenne, John, go ahead.
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Hey, uh, just what he was talking about, about the ranchers. There’s a big story on, uh, cowboy state daily today where they’re doing the exact same thing in the, uh, big horn national forest outside of Buffalo, Wyoming, uh, A bunch of ranchers that own outfitters are running all the elk back onto their private land and stopping the people from hunting the mountains. And that’s just wrong.
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Not supposed to be. Yeah, not supposed to be that way. No. That’s illegal, actually.
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Hopefully, yeah, hopefully Fish and Game will get up there now that it’s been exposed. But, John, quick trick. I don’t know if I ever told you this one, but it works really. If you’re going to be outside for a long time on cold or frozen ground… Mm-hmm. You know what Reflectix is?
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Yes.
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Take your boot, cut out a piece of Reflectix, put it between your insole and the bottom of the boot, and your feet stay like 15 degrees warmer.
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Wow, good idea.
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Because it reflects the heat back up, but it also will reflect the cold back down.
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Right, good idea. I never thought of that.
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Yeah, I’ve tried everything to keep my feet warm, especially… you know, on really cold days when you got to go outside and work. And I found that works the best. And I didn’t invent it. I saw it on YouTube.
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Great idea. No, we’ll steal anything we can get. Absolutely. Nothing wrong with that.
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Yep. And the other thing he was talking about, the heated socks. I bought a pair of the heated gloves from Costco a few years back. They’re not great. I have found I have a pair of wool gloves. and a pair of mittens when it’s really cold out, and that’s what I found keeps my hands the warmest.
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Gotcha.
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You know, double. But the other thing, and Bill will remember these, I was looking for them, but they didn’t have my size. We used to call them in the Army trigger finger mittens.
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Oh, yeah.
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And they were mittens that had the one finger out.
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That’s right. Yep, yep, remember those.
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And the liners were wool, and they kept your hands warm. And the covers were like a canvas type with leather palms. And I just wish I could find a pair that my size, the nearest Army Navy store, I guess they don’t really exist anymore as much as they used to. They only had smaller sizes, and I have big hands.
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Mm-hmm.
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So, John, you have a good rest of your day.
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Hey, you do the same, John. I appreciate it very much. Thanks for the advice. And, yeah, Bill, the whole, in your case, it was a little warmer. But you went through the shifts, and it wasn’t necessarily warm all the time. You had the cold nights as well, which I think there’s times even our transplants that come in kind of forget some of that.
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Yeah. It was the wildest thing because we saw the clouds coming in, and I’m like, oh, it’s going to get cold. And it dropped super fast. And, you know, that day was cold. The next day was back into the 50s again. You know, that’s just the kind of weather we have here. And, you know, to John’s point there, the Army, Navy or the Army surplus stores are kind of like the old flea markets. Right. You know, they’ve just turned into junk stores now. The flea market is just a junk place. Everybody sells dollar brand new stuff. Right, right. You know, it’s really hard to find that old.
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And, you know, it’s surprising because when we were kids, that was very common. I mean, I don’t know how much shopping, you know, my dad and brother and I did at the Army surplus store, but a ton. And a lot of the gear that I still own to this day, Bill, that’s where it, you know, literally that’s where it came from. It doesn’t really wear out.
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Yeah, no, it’s really good stuff. I mean, you got that smell to it. I don’t know if you remember that smell.
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Oh, yeah, you just mentioned it, and I know what the smell is. Absolutely. It’s funny how your memory is.
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Right. You know, I played with my Polish Levu, which is, you know, the old, it’s the Polish military version of what the Army’s, rain poncho, and you can put them together to make tents and the half tent and the shelter and stuff like that. And I’ve got the Polish one because it actually has holes in it where you could put a little stove pipe through it, actually. But, you know, I played around with that. And, you know, because I had the internet service on the side of the mountain that’s, you know, 10,000, 11,000 feet, sitting there, you know, in my spot, looking around and thinking about all the stuff, and then I get in trouble because, you know, I can still connect to Amazon and order all the stuff that I was like, yeah, I should have this, and let me get another.
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Okay, so when you’re there and you’re doing your thing and, you know, everybody’s a little different and what their necessities, what they want or need are a little bit different, but as you were there going through all of that, what were some of the things that you realized that, you know what, I can either do without this or I need to upgrade something this, you know, give us your short list. In fact, let’s do this. Let’s take a break. I’ll give you a couple of minutes to think about that. We’ll take a break. We’ll come back and let’s go through the list of things that I just mentioned a moment ago. Again, Bill Anderson with us just got back from hunting literally not long ago. So we’ll get a direct report back on some of this. And again, don’t forget our website, ready-radio.com. Bill’s website is prep, the number two, prep2protectco.com. We’ll come right back. Ready Radio, KLZ 560.
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And we are back. Ready Radio, KLZ 560. Bill Anderson again with us today, coming back from your recent hunting trip. So Bill, what things, A, would you have not brought along that you did? And then B, what things do you feel like you either needed or wanted to upgrade while you were there?
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So are we talking in context of hunting or survival?
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All. All. Doesn’t matter. I mean, we have a wide range of listeners, so it can be all. It doesn’t matter.
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Well, here’s a couple of things that I learned. So I forgot my My thermal layers, which the planning, I think, is really, really important. We talk about it all the time. It happens to all of us. We’ve all got busy lives. You pull things out to wash them or whatever, and they don’t go back into the proper place. That was something we found because my wife had pulled all the utensils out of the motor home there and washed them, and they didn’t make them back. So we got up there, and I’m thinking in my head, oh, yeah, everything’s stocked. Everything’s in there. And it’s like, yeah, we don’t have forks or spoons because she took them out to wash them. Gotcha. And so even with these new replaceable grocery sacks that you buy at stores or whatever, you lug your groceries in from the car, and then you leave them on the kitchen table or wherever you leave your bags or whatever. And then you go to the store and you’re like, oh, they’re at home. You know, I came back out to the car. And that’s something, John, that I just think we take for granted. And that’s why we got to be habitual about this stuff. And I got to get better at, hey, putting things in the place. The other thing I realized, I had so much stuff, you know, in the motorhome for using it in the summer that a lot of summer stuff didn’t equate over to the winter stuff. Like I had, you know, the grandkids floaties and stuff in there and It’s like I got tons of fishing gear in there. And I mean, I took some of it out, but it’s like, hey, let’s pull some of this stuff out and dedicate a compartment to a topic, let’s just say. Like I have this one shelving unit or whatever you call it, a cubby or whatever. And it’s like, all right, this is going to be my hygiene and my first aid and kind of that kind of stuff is in here. And luckily, you know, again, I rushed out of the house and didn’t grab my my, um, bathroom, you know, bad, your, your little kid or whatever you want to call it. And, uh, so I’m up there in Dillon going, I’ll have better swing by seven 11 and grab a toothbrush. And I bought one and then I get up there and I opened up that cabinet and I had a whole basket already in there. I just, Oh, well there you go. I had toothbrush in here. And I, so you tend to forget that stuff. And you know, I was working late the day before we left and it just, you know, I’ve got a very busy life and sometimes I don’t have that time to, to sit back and build stuff out and get everything ready. I like to grab and go stuff, but you got to make sure you have that in there. So one thing, the rinse kit, I have that. I’m a big fan of that. I don’t know if you know what that is or not. What is that? It’s called a rinse kit. They actually had it at Costco for a time. Portable water washing station. So you fill it up with water and you pressurize it with a hand pump. And then you’ve got this little sprayer. It looks like a garden sprayer. And you can change the nozzle to different spray patterns or whatever. And you can hose things off, wash your hands. You can actually take a shower with it. And when I had bought mine, I bought the heating attachment. So you stick the heating element in. It plugs into your cigarette lighter. And you can set it for 90 degrees and actually have some heated water in there. So I was all excited to take that up there. But then when I got up there and opened it, well, something had happened. And the nozzle got broken. And so it’s like, you know, every time you turn around, something’s lost or something’s not working or something’s broken. And it’s like, okay, well, so I ordered another one. Luckily, they’re only $6, the replacement heads. Gotcha.
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And now that you say that, I guess the brand name itself, I don’t know what I was familiar with, but the concept, yes. In fact, I’ve seen some of those around the automotive sides of things and the Overlander end of things, Bill. Yeah, now that you mention what it is, yes, now I know. I didn’t know there was an actual brand name for that because I’ve seen different brands of these throughout the years. But, yeah, no, I know exactly now what you’re talking about, absolutely.
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Yeah, and I really like it. It’s just if you get caught in the cold and you don’t have the hot water in there, it’s going to freeze up on you, and then you’ve got another issue.
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And by the way, are there better brands of that than others, or do you buy the actual brand you mentioned, the Rinse, R-I-N-S-E?
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That’s the only one I’ve ever known, and that’s the first time I heard about it, so I don’t know of any others that exist. I guess you have because it’s a concept that’s been around forever, but that’s the one and only that I know, and that’s the one I got.
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Yeah, and for those listening, the way these work is there’s like a cooler, if you would. Somebody took the idea of having a cooler and then changing different things around in the cooler. Bill, I’ve even seen throughout the years of… In fact, our big automotive trade show is next week that I’m going to, and some of these sorts of things, believe it or not, will be there. For those of you listening, I’ll probably bring some ideas and things back, because even though it’s automotive trade, Bill, it is such a large trade show that literally you get into all sorts of little ancillary things. I mean, and keep in mind, on the trade side, Sides of things for automotive. It includes everything from, you know, the paint body collision, the glass end of things, you know, all of the suspension and that end of things to most everything you could figure out goes into a vehicle to the overlanding thing to new cars and old classics to… literally built everything in between, so even tools and different things along those lines. So literally, it’ll have a little bit of everything there, and I will bring some things back, some things that I encountered and so on. And at one time at that show, there were guys actually building kits, I guess you could say, Bill, where you could go buy your own quote-unquote cooler and then – do what was necessary to the cooler and use their kit. I don’t know if those guys are still around anymore, but that’s honestly where I kind of first learned about the item you’re talking about. I didn’t, at that time, didn’t know there was a full-bore kit made or a full-bore item made. I thought they were all just sort of kits.
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Yeah, and I don’t know the history of Wren’s kit, but I think they’re relatively new within the past few years.
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These guys basically took the kit and did it for you is what they did. Yeah, yeah. From looking online now that I see the website, that’s literally what they basically took the concept that I had seen back in the trade show years ago. They just took that and basically finessed it is what they did.
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Yeah, did it all complete for it.
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That’s right.
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That’s right. So, yeah. And I was actually surprised to see it at, like I said, Costco, I think, last year, last summer or something.
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And, again, for people that are limited on time and technical ability and so on, you know, sometimes buying it completely ready to go isn’t a bad way of doing it. But these are the kind of items, for those of you that are handy, you can make these yourself. You don’t have to rely on buying one, although for the price these things are, Bill – Time you buy all of the items to go make one on your own, I’m not sure that you’re saving a ton. You’d save some money, no doubt about it, but I don’t know how much you’re saving when it’s all said and done.
SPEAKER 09 :
Yeah, I don’t remember. I think it was $199 or something what I paid for. I don’t remember, John, but I didn’t think it was that. It was worth it for me.
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By the time you go buy, in your case, if you’re going to use one to heat, have heating elements, have the hose, the nozzle, the cooler, I mean, time you go through all of that and then figure your cost of labor when it’s all said and done, yeah, I don’t know that you can do it much cheaper than that, to be honest with you.
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Yeah, yeah. So I was really glad I brought that. Super bummed that it worked because, again, the nozzle broke. So I don’t know if it’s one of those things, you know, $6 nozzles, maybe I should have just ordered two. They seem to be so fragile. I should have done that. But the rinse kit, I was really glad I brought. Forgot my thermals, luckily. Murdoch’s there in Frayser. They had them on sale for like $9 a package, so I picked up a couple of those while we were out there. Gotcha. The Jetboil I used a lot, so I got a lot of work with that.
SPEAKER 06 :
That’s the same device you normally have with you at most times, right?
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Yeah.
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Yeah, it’s just a little propane thing.
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You can boil water and make coffee with it. I play it around because I have a little personal little hand grinder thing. that I bring to grind my beans. I guess it’s a little hoity-toity there, but I kind of like that, so whatever, doesn’t take up that much space for me. And then I played with some instant coffee, and yeah, that instant coffee can be rough to get down, but you can go either way with that. So the Jetboil, and then I have another one called the Juul.
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Juul?
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That plugs in, yeah. And it’s like a cooker, and it plugs into 120, so luckily my little van there has a generator, and so… know fired that guy up and and boiled some water pretty quick so played around with that i had that one the things that i really saw that could be a problem was the fire starting okay so headlighters i had all this stuff but trying to build a fire with just the raw stuff there in the forest especially if it got a little damp or whatever i found to be pretty complicated And so luckily I pulled out my Carmex, took a little piece of water, you know, paper towel there and doused it in my Carmex and stuck it in there. And that’s how I was able to finally get it started because Carmex is nothing but petroleum jelly. And it just kept the flame going. But I was, that’s something I need to, my buddy had some char cloth. He even had a hard time. We were trying to play with the magnifying glass and trying to get that going. trying with the Flint to get that going. And, you know, we read about this stuff. We talk about it. We see other people do it. And then we get out there and try it. And it’s like, yeah, it doesn’t work so good. So I need to tune up a little bit better, you know, on those things, John, because I found, like I said, here we are in a forest. And by the way, There’s char all around us because of the fire, but it’s gotten wet at this point. And there wasn’t a lot of pine needles for some reason. I don’t know if those were particular pines that were up there. I was able to find some pine cones that were pretty easy to light, but things were, you know, the mountain prairie, you know, the landscape there. There’s not a lot really of stuff to burn. And if you do find something, it’s a fast consumer. So, you know, that’s something that I’ve got to work on a little bit better there.
SPEAKER 06 :
Just to go back to something you said earlier, which with all of what you’ve just said, I want to add this in, because I think people feel like, you know, if there’s an end-of-the-world type scenario, EMP, something like that, you know, I’ll just head to the hills. I mean, I can’t tell you, Bill, how many times I’ve heard people say something to that effect. I’ll just head to the hills and I’ll be okay. Yeah. Really? I mean, not that the city is going to be super safe, but, you know, the hills are not very forgiving. Hills, quote unquote, are foothills, mountains, things like that, Bill, as you know what I’m talking about. At the end of the day, is it as great as what everybody thinks? And I mean… No, not really. And, by the way, depending upon the time of the year, it could be extremely grueling. You know, summertime, yeah, it might not be so bad. I mean, other than everybody else is going to have a similar idea. But, you know, wait until fall and winter hits and dead of winter. Oh, man, no offense, Bill. That would suck.
SPEAKER 09 :
Yeah, yeah. There’s not a lot of resources. No, there’s not. There’s not a lot of resources, right. And something else, too, that you realize, you think you’re in the backcountry. And we were up there, you know, we’re on some four by four roads and, you know, we’re, we’re hiking in a couple of miles and we’re thinking, Hey, we’re isolated. And then all of a sudden a group of 10 people walk in front of me and you’re like, what? I don’t know if there’s really not as isolated as you think, right? Yeah. Unless you’re on some really steep incline stuff there. There’s, there’s just people everywhere. So even to your point there, everybody’s going to head to the hills. It’s like, yeah. Now you might as well stay in the city where you’ve got a lot more resources.
SPEAKER 06 :
Yeah, and again, we can get into some of this, you know, on down the road a little bit. We’ve talked about some of this in the past, and a lot of the books that I listen to, read, whatever you want to say, Bill, I do Audible, you know, do them on digital if you would. So I listen to them in the car and just finished a seven-book series and – Again, every one of these authors, everyone will kind of take a little different slant on things, and it’s interesting to really listen to and kind of combine all these different thoughts that a lot of these authors have. And by the way, I don’t think a lot of them are too far off in what happens in different cities and the outskirts of town and so on. And I’m kind of coming to the conclusion, Bill, that – You don’t want to be off in the middle of the forest, especially in our forest. Now, the forest of Kentucky is a lot different than the forest of, you know, the Rocky Mountains. So I would think truthfully here in our area, frankly, the bug outside of it, if you can get up towards the foothills and find some high ground and have the ability to kind of see who’s coming and going, still have some of the amenities that would be close by in the city, because at some point in time, depending upon the scenario, you may be on foot. I’ll just tell you straight up, Bill, that, you know, being in the middle of the mountains, yeah, I mean, there may be some advantage to that. And some people are going to be there anyways, because that’s where they’re at all the time. But honestly, that would not be the place I would run to.
SPEAKER 09 :
Yeah, me neither. I’m going to go east, to be honest with you.
SPEAKER 06 :
Well, again, I think, yeah, if you go either north, south, east, west, you know, stay where you’ve got some, you know, again, you’re going to need water and things along those lines. So those are things that, you know, everybody needs to think about. And again, this is probably a show here in the near future we should… look at, because to your point, and just coming back from what you just did, the mountains aren’t very forgiving. Let’s just say that. They’re not forgiving. And in fact, they’re very threatening. Unforgiving isn’t even the word to use, Bill. They are on their own, if you would. And if you’re not used to it, they’ll swallow you up.
SPEAKER 09 :
Yeah. You know, even looking around at the people that live up there, their houses are, they’re just houses. You know, there’s no like what we call homestead like I see out here where I live in Elizabeth, you know, where people have chickens and, you know, animals and greenhouses and things like that. Not very many people have that up there. Right. It’s just because it’s not really a friendly environment for that kind of stuff.
SPEAKER 06 :
It’s not. It’s really hard. Well, and really quick, too, for all of you listening, I think this is something else just back of your mind to think about is as resources start to run thin. So let’s say there’s a big event, big EMP type event, something along those lines happens, you know, nuclear bomb is lit off way above the surface. the nation, and or there’s a shutdown of the grid because of a cyber attack, or, I mean, Bill, we can go through several different scenarios. At the end of the day, resources start to run really, really thin. And as those resources start to run out, well, now people do start to, those that have survived, they also start to hunt and gather and do some of those things. So even those resources that might have been plentiful at the beginning of the scenario, at the beginning of the event, You know, Bill, shortly thereafter, 90 days, 120 days later, six months basically, you know they’re not as plentiful as they once were because, if you would, quote-unquote, the herds have been thinned by then is probably the best way to say that.
SPEAKER 09 :
Well, yeah, not only that, but, you know, if you understand hunting pressure, too, you know. Correct. They don’t hang around, you know. If there’s a lot of pressure, they move, you know. So… they’re not just standing up there waiting for people to shoot them either. You know, they’re trying to survive too. And so, you know, they’re going to head up hills. Yeah, they’re not stupid.
SPEAKER 06 :
And you know that, Bill, even from what you were just mentioning, you know, and what you just experienced. Those animals aren’t dumb. I mean, they figure out where to go to where there’s not, you know, where there just isn’t as much hunting pressure. I’ve seen it with my own two eyes over the decades. They’re not stupid, Bill. Mm-hmm.
SPEAKER 09 :
Yeah. It’s like it’s as if they know where the private property is and they go hang out.
SPEAKER 06 :
Oh, yeah. No, I’ve seen it. I’ve absolutely watched it myself. You are 100 percent correct. It’s exactly what they do. They’re not dumb.
SPEAKER 09 :
They’re not dumb. They know where they’re getting shot and stuff. You know, and that’s another thing, too, you know, because we’re in some pretty rugged country. And the guy I was with, I was like, man, if we if we actually shoot one. that’s the easy part. I don’t know how in the heck we’re going to get this thing out of here. It could take two or three days of hiking this thing out, quartering it out, and maybe even deboning it if we have to go to that level. But it’s like if we shoot something and it goes down into that golier right there, I don’t know. I don’t know how we’re getting that.
SPEAKER 06 :
And now, and again, so you, you know, take this kind of end of the world scenario where you don’t even have the same gear that you’ve got, you know, right now. And you add all of what you just mentioned to that. And yeah, things, things change significantly. And point being, and you, you talk about this a lot, Bill, you know, the practice, practice, practice, which, you know, was partly what we’re talking about today. You had a good practice run here, just hunting just in, in what you just did. And at the end of the day, uh, you know what, it’s that practice that I guess you could say makes perfect, or you find out where your holes are, or whatever the case may be, and at the end of the day, things don’t quite work out the way that you may have planned, I guess is what I’m trying to get at. In an end-of-the-world scenario, Bill, what you just did was you were, you know, Yeah, you’re stressed before you go and you’ve got to work and there’s a lot on your plate and all that, but you’re not running from somebody at the same time. At the end of the day, Bill, you’re doing this to go have some fun, be with nature, do all the different things that involve hunting and so on, but you’re not doing it to survive. You know at the end of the day you’re driving home and there’s going to be a meal there. Reverse all of those roles to where that’s not at the end of the railroad.
SPEAKER 09 :
Well, yeah. And that’s a funny point because, you know, I took a bunch of my dehydrated food that I made in my, you know, Harvest Rite freeze dryer that, you know, we’ve been putting away and I didn’t eat any of it. Heck no. Well, I mean, I had the eggs that I brought up. I had the bacon that I brought up. I didn’t eat any of that stuff. Right. You know, so I didn’t even get a real trial run. I was kind of excited to be like, hey, I want to try some of this. I want to see if it what it tastes like, you know, and even got a little steamer because I had some freeze-dried enchiladas, you know, and you’ve got to steam those back in. Otherwise, they’re just a soggy mess. But, you know, I was kind of excited to do it. Of course, I didn’t do it. No, heck no. You know, I cracked those eggs. Right.
SPEAKER 06 :
And no offense, not saying I would have done it any differently, but my point with this is even for a lot of the trial runs that a lot of folks make, hunting, camping, backpacking, those sorts of things, and that’s great, and we need to be doing those. And I’m not trying to take anything away from that, Bill, but there’s something about doing something when – You’re absolutely having to do it because otherwise you’re not going to survive. And in some cases, you know, again, some of these books I read, man, it is every person for themselves. First few days, not so bad. You know, people might even be kind of collectively together, although there’s a lot of looting and things that I do believe will happen in big cities. So when you’re outside of all of that, though, I do think things will be a little bit calmer. But man alive, after things kind of settle in, you take seven, even ten days later, oh, man, Bill, the entire landscape of everything, and I don’t think these authors are that far off, the entire landscape of everything literally within a week has changed dramatically, and you’re no longer hunting, fishing, and doing things for yourself. You’re doing it for your survival at that point. It’s totally different.
SPEAKER 09 :
Right, right. And you got to remember, too, you know, we’re out there listening. You know, if shots are going off or whatever, we’re trying to judge, hey, it’s over on, you know, two hills over or whatever it may be. You know, that sound carries. And so you’re not doing anything incognito either. True.
SPEAKER 06 :
Good point. Great point. No, great point. So whether you’re, that’s right, whether you’re gathering and it’s even just a 22 or, and this is where, I know we’ve talked about this in the past, probably something, again, I’ll add this to the list, Bill, of something we could talk about here. In the near future, for a lot of you that where you’re going to be thinking, you know what, I’m going to have to rely on something to, you know, to kill with and hunt with and so on. For a lot of you, believe it or not, this is where either archery or pellet guns, which some of the higher end pellet guns, Bill, as you know, can be very, very useful in the things we’re talking about still going to break the sound barrier so they’re fairly loud compared to even like a bow and arrow you know archery but they’re not as loud as actually shooting an actual you know 22 or even some of the other types of of ammunition that you would have you know rifles that you would have to shoot with so my point is for some of you that are listening, you know, some of those things might be worth looking at, trying to stock up on, have enough, you know, pellets if you would, and so on, because, again, I don’t think these books, Bill, are that far off in what they talk about. Ammunition starts to run out very quickly when things go awry.
SPEAKER 09 :
Right, right, and that was a conversation I was having with a guy I was with, you know, he was kind of educated beyond all these different calibers and all the different guns he has, and And I’m just like, Mike, gracious. I mean, how do you find ammo for all these different variations? And he’s like, yeah, it’s been harder and harder. So, you know, you can have 30 guns, you know, and maybe 30 little individual boxes, all these animals, or you can have one gun. and have 300 boxes of that same ammo. Right.
SPEAKER 06 :
And my advice would be, after listening to a lot of these books, my advice would be have multiple… Let’s say, for example, you’re a big fan of, I don’t know, .22 Winchester mag because it becomes a fairly… decent round. No, it’s not reloadable, but it’s easy to carry lots of rounds for that. They’re fairly potent. Would it kill somebody? Yes. Is it going to be as potent as say a .223 or a .357 mag or something like that? No, Bill, of course not. You’re going to be more accurate with your shots, of course, but the ability to carry 500 rounds of .22 mag is a lot easier than 500 rounds of .223.
SPEAKER 09 :
Right. Yeah. Yeah. That’s because remember I was, I’ve always talked about real estate on the body and that’s something that I realized, you know, Hey, you got your backpack, you got your, you know, I carry that little hip pouch that I sent you, which was great by the way. That was that. I love that thing. You know, I got my little monocle in there. I’ve got a bottle of water in there. I’ve got first aid stuff. And then in my backpack, I got all the other stuff. you know, extra gloves, extra hats, all that stuff to keep me warm. The bigger gear, game bags, all that stuff back there. But I love that little hip thing. That was a winner right there. And I’ve had that for a while. I sent you that link, right, on that one?
SPEAKER 06 :
Yes, I put that. I believe that’s up on the web. And if not, I’ll make sure that it is. But, yeah, your point, Bill, these are the sorts of things. And my feeling with this and trying to get people to realize is, listen, when those sorts of things happen and things get really dicey, and I’m with you, Bill, and I’ve met a lot of people over the years where they’ve got multiple calibers, they’ve got this, they’ve got that. And by the way, Greg, you know what? If you’re not thinking end of the world and you just want to have fun and you’re a guy that shoots and you do a lot of stuff for fun, you know what? Knock your socks off. Bill, I’m not trying to tell anybody what to do, but if you’re thinking… in regards to those for an end-of-the-world scenario, yeah, I think that thinking is wrong. In fact, you want to own probably the most popular calibers because that’s the ammunition that there’s going to be the most of, even if you run across something else or someone else. They’re not going to have the odd, and I don’t even want to get into some of these odd calibers because I’ll get all sorts of comments on it. But, Bill, you don’t want to have to be trimming and cutting and doing different casings and so on just so you can go shoot that particular weapon. No, really, at the end of the day, you’re going to want that common 9mm. Even .40 Smith & Wesson is a little bit out there. You’re going to want like 9mm, .45, .223, .22. You know, those are the things that you’re going to want to have. And my suggestion is have more than one gun of those.
SPEAKER 09 :
Yeah, absolutely. I have multiples of those. And, you know, I like my hunting gun is the .30-06. And, you know, it’s pretty common. It’s been around forever. So, you know, it’s versatile. You know, it’s kind of a mid-range, you know, kind of weapon and tool, I should say, whatever. But, yeah, so, you know, these are the things you got to consider. And real estate, how much can you carry on your body? You know, that’s huge. One of the other things that I really liked, John, was that was great right there.
SPEAKER 06 :
And you broke up from it. You liked what? Sorry, I missed that part.
SPEAKER 09 :
My luggable loo. Oh. It’s just a little toilet seat that sits on the five-gallon bucket. Yep. Great idea.
SPEAKER 06 :
Well, and again, this is something to think about, folks, and I’m not trying to be weird or anything like that, but every one of these books that I listen to, books on tape, I guess you could say, Bill, they’re not on tape, they’re digital, but you get what I’m saying there. It’s funny. In the majority of cases, one of the first things folks start to run out of are some of those nice amenities, soap and toilet paper. And it becomes really very miserable for a lot of these individuals. They don’t get into a lot of great gory details, but I wish they would actually because I think it’s something most people tend to start forgetting. It’s like, okay, and I get it. You can’t stock up a ton of this. You’re not going to have a lifetime supply by any means. But what do you do along those lines and how do you maybe conserve – some of that early on, because I don’t think a lot of folks think that way. I mean, most people think, oh, the power’s going to be back on, we’ll be back in good shape, it’s no big deal. Well, in the two scenarios I just mentioned earlier, Bill, when it comes to EMPs or a cybersecurity event, no, the power’s not coming on anytime soon.
SPEAKER 09 :
No, not anything. You’re going to have to work through that, and it’s going to take time, and you know, What are you going to use to power it? What kind of noise is it going to make? There’s so many considerations there, and you’ve just got to keep that super-duper light. That’s really important.
SPEAKER 06 :
And so thinking along those lines, those of you that are listening, you know, and everybody has different needs, Bill. And again, I’m not trying to get too personal or weird here, but everybody has different needs when it comes to keeping themselves safe. uh keeping themselves up let’s just say it that way bill and everybody has different needs along those lines male versus female age all sorts of things come into play there and what i’m getting at is be thinking ahead as to if you’re going to have to go through something like that what are you going to use to keep yourself sanitary because one of the things that we’ve been fortunate in this country for really bill probably the last hundred years now is we’ve been pretty sanitary as a country, and we’ve kept things healthier just because of that. In fact, to a point where most of us don’t have the immune systems if things start to go the other direction, meaning we live in a very sanitary environment. It won’t be that way after a big event, is my point.
SPEAKER 09 :
No, and that’s something that we even realized up there was, you know, here’s a perfect example. It’s like Have you ever tried to wash dishes with cold water? Oh, it sucks. You know, the soap just doesn’t act very well. It’s awful. You don’t really get that rinsed off. And, you know, so that’s why we’re kind of boiling the water. And so I try to make those multifunction things. You know, I’m boiling the water and charging my phone and getting some coffee all at the same time. And it’s like, oh, let’s use the spare water, you know, to get some hot water in here to boil. And, yeah, things like that. It’s just simple things. Not only that, but you have a little tote. You know, dishpan to wash your stuff in. This is stuff that you don’t realize until you get out there. Right. And experience it, you know. In your mind, it all works and things of that nature.
SPEAKER 06 :
And in real life, then the real stuff comes along and it’s like, oh, man, I’ve got to shelve that whole idea because that’s not going to pan out so well.
SPEAKER 09 :
Yeah, yeah. And then you get out there with this really cool, fancy thing that you think is, you know, the greatest in the world. And you’re like, this thing sucks.
SPEAKER 06 :
Yeah, I’ve been there, done that. You know, no, honestly, Bill, been there, done that, even have been there, done that when it comes to even tools and things along those lines was like, man, that’s a great idea, but it doesn’t work for for crap at the end of the day. So you’re You’re going to plan B pretty much immediately. And what I’m trying to get people to think about, again, this is Ready Radio. We try to get people ready for the what-ifs of life. And especially in some of these end-of-the-world type scenarios, trust me, folks, it’s going to be a lot different than anybody thinks. And the pictures that get painted are, frankly, going to be a lot more dire than probably most people paint because it literally, Bill, within a matter of 48 hours or so is going to be every man and woman for himself. And I’m not exaggerating when I say that. Right. Sorry to say, and I’m not trying to paint a really bad picture, but it’s going to be bad. Because, I mean, just look, Bill, in today’s world, when there’s some sort of a major event, power outage, things like that, look at the mayhem that happens fairly quickly. That’s not even on a major event, by the way. That’s something very localized.
SPEAKER 09 :
Yeah. And, I mean, I hate to—this is a very touchy subject, but look at the situation now with the funding of the government and the people— that don’t have their snaps and don’t have their whatever, whatever. Correct. You know, and it’s, hey, you’ve gone without a check. You’ve gone without this. Can you survive? We’re so dependent upon the system. That’s right. That’s the crazy thing. You know, I just sent you a link of the grill that I use because I really love this grill. It’s the Coleman little portable grill. It’s a four-in-one. I don’t remember paying that much for it. When I bought it at Walmart, I think it was, in my mind, it was $20. I tell you, that’s the best grill that I’ve ever owned. I’ve owned the green Coleman ones. Those style, the one I just sent you, it’s that round one. Everything packs into it. Absolute best grill. However, The screws worked loose in the handles. And so I came home, and I’m like, okay, I’m going to rivet those on.
SPEAKER 06 :
Modifications.
SPEAKER 09 :
Yep, modifications. Yep. And the bumpy roads, you know, driving, and it’s just the cheap hardware that was provided with it. And then you lose the little nut and bolt. You know, it’s just a 632, but you lose that. Right. And it’s like, okay, I’m out here, don’t have any spares, and now I’ve got to try to get this lid off with the handles not attached. And you could modify it, but…
SPEAKER 06 :
you know you live and you learn right and so it’s like okay i’m going to go home and i’m going to rivet those great point goes on there but that’s the best grill and again and thanks for sending that and again folks what we’re getting at is do some of this stuff try some of these things out use the things that you know are are tried and true and and bill you say this all the time you know practice with the things that you have somebody just sent a recommendation in on fire starters using basically an egg carton and some things you could put inside of it i’ll post some of that stuff up well and again everybody’s got their own little little tips and tricks and so on and how you do things and bottom line is you’ll be thinking about what is it you’re going to be using in that type of a scenario and and bill as you say you know practice I mean you’ve got the ability everybody’s got different scenarios when it comes to their home or going up into the woods or whatever but you know when by the way when it comes to fire starting You got to be careful, I realize, in the woods when you do some of those things, depending upon what our fire danger is like. But once it gets cold and there’s a little bit of snow on the ground, Bill, it becomes pretty simple to try some of that stuff out and see how well you do at it.
SPEAKER 09 :
Yeah, you can do it in your backyard and just play around with the resources you’ve got laying around your yard. And I think you’ll find what I have found is, like, it’s very frustrating. You know, you end up going and getting the stupid torch and being like, all right, I’m just going to start this. And it’s like, you know, great, we have that on here.
SPEAKER 06 :
When you have that, right.
SPEAKER 09 :
Perfect. Or I’ve made these little fire starters with candle wax and sawdust and things of that nature. But again, now I’ve got to remember to carry that, and I’ve got to have that with me. And so I’m trying to figure out, okay, what if I had the bare stinking minimums, and what can I put in each of my backpacks as a bare minimum? Because, again, that real estate, you run out of room really fast, John.
SPEAKER 06 :
And it gets heavy really fast, as you know. And, yeah, you can keep adding a larger pack or multiple packs or whatever, but, man, you can only carry so much and still be effective at the end of the day. And remember, in some cases, and, again, not trying to paint a bad picture, Bill, but in some cases you may very well be running from the crowds or from the folk that are actually trying to steal everything from you. And if that’s the case, you’re going to travel really lightly.
SPEAKER 09 :
Well, yeah, yeah, exactly. I mean, we ran into that just trying to navigate the dense forest. And that big backpack, it’s like, man, it’s getting caught in all these branches. And then I’ve got my rifle with me, and it’s just a mess, right? So, yeah, you can go bigger. And here’s another thing you’ve got to remember. Here’s the biggest recommendation I could tell everybody out there. Your number one tool, your number one asset is your stinking body. Right. You need to be able to do some setups, some pushups. You know, I mean, don’t be that guy that takes 10 steps up the mountain and be like, I got to take a break. I got to take a break. I mean, your number one tool is your body. You should be able to move that regardless. Agree. Of what you’re carrying.
SPEAKER 06 :
Agree. Absolutely. Bill, it’s always a joy. I appreciate it. Thanks for the tips. I’m sorry you didn’t. have much luck on the hunting end of things. I guess that’s why they call it hunting and not shooting, right? Hunting, not shooting, yeah.
SPEAKER 09 :
I’ll leave you with one last thing, John, if I can, because here’s one thing that we hear over and over again on this program. The most used thing out there was my flashlight, okay? Because, you know, you’re getting up before dawn, you’re going to bed a little later and it’s dark, you know, you’re navigating around the camper or the rummaging through your backpack and flashlight, flashlight. And I’ll tell you, everybody that was with us got so upset with those stupid headlamps because every time you’d talk to somebody, they’d flash you in the eyes. It’s like, could you take that thing off? And so I know everybody’s all big about the headlamps. But I’m telling you, it is a super annoying thing up there because you just naturally look at somebody when you go talk to them. Good point. And you blind them every time. Good point.
SPEAKER 06 :
No, that’s something to remember. No, absolutely. Absolutely something to remember. And if you’re on the run from somebody, yeah, you’re going to want a light that you can probably do something a little bit differently with. Again, teach his own. Everybody’s a little different along those lines, but be thinking about all that as you prep for this. So, Bill, as always, man, I appreciate it. You have a place, right? Yep, absolutely. All right, John. Have a great week, man. Appreciate you very much. We’ll talk next. Actually, Bill’s going to be taking over next week because I’ll be at that trade show, as I mentioned, in SEMA Show, Las Vegas. So Bill will be taking over next Friday. Up next, we’ve got some, of course, sponsors that help make this show happen on a weekly basis. Listen in. We’ll be right back after that. Ready-radio.com is our website.
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All right, that’s it for this episode of Ready Radio. Again, don’t forget the website, ready-radio.com, and we’ll be back with you next week. This is Ready Radio, KLZ 560.
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