Join host John Rush and guest Ray Shefska, CEO of CarEdge, as they tackle the impact of relaxed CAFE standards on the automobile industry. Discover how these changes could lead to more affordable vehicles, and why the price of new cars might soon be dropping. They delve into the intricate relationship between consumer desires and market offerings, discussing why people tend to opt for cars beyond their financial reach.
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All right, hour number two, Rush to Reason, Denver’s Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560. Ray Shefska joining us now. Ray, welcome. How are you?
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I am well, John. How are you today?
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I’m doing well. Appreciate you joining us. Car Edge CEO. I talked about this a little bit last week because I’m an old car guy. I have a car program we do on Saturdays as well. But the CAFE standards being changed by the administration. Talk to us about that and what that means for the car industry.
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Well, obviously the hope is, by relaxing the CAFE standards, that the manufacturers won’t have to develop any more fuel-efficient engines any further than what they already have, and they’ll be able to start using some older technologies, which, once they can start doing that and changing their production schedules, might allow them to produce some more vehicles that could, well, be more affordable.
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Yeah, in fact, and by the way, I think that’s all true. And what you’re going to see, I believe, Ray, and tell me if I’m wrong, but because of what you just said, you’ll see them start producing some vehicles that they didn’t feel, well, they couldn’t because of the way things were going prior. They couldn’t produce. They will now be able to produce. And as you know, the average price of a new car is about $55,000 right now. And if you get some cars back down into that high teens, low 20s, and I’m not sure they can get in the teens, but let’s say they can get in the low 20s, that’s a game changer.
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You would think, but here’s an interesting statistic. There are fewer cars available today in the $18,000 to $25,000 price range. And the reason for it is those that had been built were having a difficult time selling. So I know I’ve been screaming for five years we have an affordability crisis. And in reality, what we have is an envy crisis. Those who could afford to buy an $18,000 to $25,000 car are really envious of the people who can buy those $55,000 cars. And that’s what they end up wanting to buy, even though they can’t afford them.
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No, and honestly, I can’t argue with you on the whole envy sides of things. In fact, I think I’ve said over and over again that people typically buy more car than they probably really need, and they do that because they want to have what’s better than the neighbor next door or the person in the cubicle next to them or whatever the case may be. Few people, Ray, buy what they need based upon the need alone. They buy what they want.
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And that is part of the problem. That’s one of the things that we’ve been talking about at Courage for years, where people need to look at what they absolutely need as opposed to what it is that they want. Because their needs are significantly different than what it is that they want. Now, part of that problem, in my opinion, John, is the fact that for the last 50 years, automobile manufacturers have been advertising to the masses that what we need are big pickup trucks and big SUVs, and so everybody wants one.
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Mm-hmm. Can’t argue that. Now, along that line, and this is, by the way, I think there’s going to be a retraining of the masses. And I do think, though, timing of this is pretty good because you and I both have seen a slowdown in the new car end of things. In fact, I will talk about this. I do an extra hour on Saturdays called Drive Rate of the Extra Mile that I believe I’m going to get into this subject this week. So those of you listening, stay tuned. I’ll play that on. on saturday but ray i do think the timing is right because the new car manufacturers are struggling right now to sell some of those high-priced cars and i will i will say right now that i think you’re going to see some really good deals between now and the end of the year because they got to get their numbers up they have not done very well this last quarter
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I agree with that. Historically, December is the best time to buy new cars. That’s when manufacturers offer the biggest incentives. That’s when dealers are the most motivated. The next three weeks will be probably the best three weeks of the year if somebody’s looking to save a lot of money. And we do know that inventory levels for new cars are building back up again. That’s right. We know that monthly payments are unaffordable for most people. The average new car payment today is $750 a month. That’s right. And that’s before insurance. That’s before maintenance. That’s before anything. That’s exactly right. Yeah, it’s crazy. I don’t know. I mean, my son and I are in the business of helping people buy cars, and honestly, I don’t know how people afford them.
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Well, and by the way, that’s a topic that I talk about quite a bit on this program and my Saturday program, which is totally car-oriented. That’s all we talk about. Drive radio, that’s all we get into is talking about that and people calling with questions and problems and so on. And, Ray, I’m with you. I fully agree. And I’ve said for years, by the way, that it’s really difficult to buy a new car unless you’re a business owner or something along those lines. I don’t know it’s even the wisest decision, economically speaking, unless you’re in one of those categories. Because for somebody who’s going to buy a new car and take the hit of buying a new car just typically doesn’t make any sense. Typically, people are upside down for the first three years of ownership, as you know, and that even depends on how long they finance the car for.
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Well, and we know today that more and more people are financing cars for a longer period of time. That’s right. 84-month financing has become a norm. 96-month financing is becoming more readily available. Correct. And obviously, the longer we stretch the term… the larger amount of interest that the people are going to pay back. That’s right. And they really have no concept as to how much that vehicle is actually costing them.
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That’s exactly right. Okay, talk to us about CarEdge.com and what you guys do there and how that can assist people when it’s all said and done.
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Well, at Car Edge, what we do is we try and level the playing field. And I spent 43 years managing automobile dealerships, so we leverage my inside information to try and help people understand what it is that the dealership’s trying to accomplish. and then how you as the customer can counteract that so that you have a better understanding as to how to get a much better deal. And we have videos and blog posts and all kinds of information. 99% of the information is free, and we’re just there to try and help people better understand the process so that they don’t get taken advantage of.
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That is awesome. And it’s something that folks need. And by the way, you can go right to the website. I’ve been there. Check it out. Plug your information in. It’ll help you figure out exactly what you need to do. Ray, I guess the way I would say it is it’s a great unbiased opinion on what people can do to save money at the end of the day. Am I saying that correctly?
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I think that sums it up pretty darn well.
SPEAKER 04 :
Okay. So for those of you listening, again, it’s caredge.com. Ray, it’s going to be interesting to see how things pan out here over the next, oh gosh, year, year plus. One question I had for you, and this is something, again, that you’re in this world like I am. What do you feel the CAFE rating change is going to do on the EV sides of things?
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I think as far as EVs are concerned in this country, I think the early adopters adopted. I think the mainstream customers are still on the fence to some degree. So even with the cafe standards going down, I think EVs are going to have a little bit of a struggle for, I would guess, the next 18 to 24 months.
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Yeah. And one thing I keep talking about, too, Ray, get your opinion on this. Part of that I also feel like is the manufacturers themselves, because of the way government set things up with EVs in the first place, they really didn’t have to market and advertise those cars like they have a lot of other cars. In other words, they never really told people what the features and benefits of owning an EV are. I’m an EV owner, by the way, so I understand the features and benefits. And the reality, though, Ray, is most car manufacturers did a really poor job of what I just said.
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Oh, I couldn’t agree more. Nobody ever got into the details as to why it was less expensive in the long term to own one, why it requires less maintenance, how safe they actually are. Yeah, the manufacturers just assumed that if we advertise there’s a $7,500 federal tax credit and then whatever state credits there might be, that’s all we have to do to get people to buy it.
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Yep, you are 100% correct. I talk about that a lot. And right now, I’ve got to believe around a lot of boardrooms today, they’re looking at, okay, guys, we probably didn’t do that right. We relied too much on government. We probably should have been doing some things to let people know exactly what the advantages, disadvantages are. We’ve got to regroup. If we’re going to somehow save the investments that we’ve put into this, we’ve got to come up with some different ways of making this happen. I guarantee you that’s conversation happening as we speak.
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Oh, I would think so, and I would also think that most of the CEOs are looking at the way Toyota handled it and went hybrids long before they concentrated entirely on battery electric.
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Absolutely. Great example, by the way, or great comment. Ray, I appreciate it very much. I’ll keep sending folks. In fact, I’ll even talk about that in the upcoming episode on Drive Radio, The Extra Mile. I’ll throw you a little plug at that time as well.
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Terrific. Thank you so much, John. Thank you for having me on today.
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You’re very welcome. Appreciate you joining us. Thank you very much. And, yep, a lot of things will change when it comes to the car world. I talked about that a little bit last week, folks. All right, we’ll be right back. Don’t go anywhere. Rush to Reason will be right back. Veteran Windows and Doors coming up next. And make sure that if you want to save money on Windows and Doors, you do that by going direct to the source. Find them at klzradio.com.
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Putting reason into your afternoon drive, this is John Rush.
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right let me clear the air on a couple of things i’ve had a few text messages coming in from some of you listening when it comes to evs let’s start there one of you said evs don’t pay any road tax actually they do it’s included in their registration on an annual basis i believe it’s 50 a year 25 of that goes to road tax 25 goes to a bunch of crap that it shouldn’t it should all go to road tax but to say that they don’t pay any road tax is frankly false and Check your facts. Again, as conservatives, we need to be really careful on what we say, because when we say things that aren’t true, we look stupid. Don’t be stupid. Look up the facts. I know this because I own them. And yes, there is, in fact, a road tax included in your registration fee. No, it’s not as much as it should be because they take half of that and dump it into God knows what. Now, I could go look it up and tell you, but… It is stupid. And yes, the whole amount should go to road tax. It doesn’t. They take 50-50 for the EV tax that they charge you for roads and bridges and so on. And they should be taking all of that and applying it to the road tax like you would be if you were buying gasoline. But we do. Those EV owners out there listening, you know what I mean. You are paying a quote-unquote road tax. So I want to make sure that I clear the air on that because a lot of people have a misconception about So at the end of the day, and if you do the math on how much you’re actually, depending upon how much you drive and how much you get for fuel economy and how much of the X amount per gallon you’re paying in fuel tax, add it up and determine exactly where you are at the end of the year, and it varies depending upon how much you drive and so on. And no, EVs are getting – I shouldn’t say they’re getting a pass. Some EV owners drive more than others. Some don’t drive as much. Some drive less than you. It just depends on what they’re doing and so on. And I guess the way that the state looked at that initially is they could put a flat fee in and hopefully cover the majority of what they need to. At the end of the day, though, keep this in mind. I talk about this a lot. EVs are heavier than a regular vehicle. So, yes, in fact, they should be paying a little bit larger portion. They should be getting charged like what somebody drives. Well, but you don’t do this when you pay the road tax now. So, again, that’s probably why the state looked at it that way. You pay a road tax based upon the actual fuel you buy, period. That’s how they do that. So, but again, to say that they’re not paying any is a wrong statement because they are. And you, again, you have to look up on the percent gallon that you’re paying right now. Does it equal the $50 at the end of the year that an EV pays? You just got to do the math and determine how much are you actually spending when it’s all said and done on tax alone. And you got to do that by the miles per gallon, how many gallons you’re buying and so on. So do the math on that. Somebody also asked me, did I see the EV garage fire that happened in the Highlands Ranch last week? Yes, I did. I didn’t talk about it much last week because, again, I don’t know exactly what caused it, and I don’t know that anybody will until they get a little bit further along. In other words, was it the actual vehicle itself? Was it the charging station? Was the charging station improperly installed? One of the rules of thumb, and this is for those of you that are EV owners, that they tell you to do is make sure that your cord is completely off of the wall. The cord can build heat. Make sure that that cord is actually down on the ground. In other words, you don’t just pull a coil of wire off and then go plug your vehicle in because you might be close enough where you can do that. Take the entire cord off, lay it on the ground, plug your vehicle in, and typically make sure that things aren’t coiled together because you don’t want a fire starting there. But you definitely don’t want the fire starting on the wall. And again, on my end of things, have I ever had an issue? No. Not one. But things in my situation, it’s installed correctly. There’s a lot of hack artists out there installing these chargers. In fact, in some cases, could be put in by themselves. And in this particular case, how is it all done? Folks, I don’t know. I don’t know. I’m always hesitant to blame, and this is true with any vehicle, not just EVs. I’m always hesitant to blame the vehicle for a problem that might have been started by a knucklehead owner. You know, for example, there’s been many a fire over the years by, you know, just spontaneous combustion. People are working on whatever, they’re painting, they leave a bunch of rags in a can, they throw it in the can, and all of a sudden there’s a fire later and the garage burns up and the house burns. Was it the rag’s fault? Was it the can’s fault? No, it was the knucklehead that put them in there in the first place’s fault. It wasn’t the fault of the rag or the can or the product that was in them. It was the knucklehead owner that did that. Same can happen on the EV side. I’m always a little bit slow to blame the car itself for causing the fire when I don’t know, folks. Nobody does. And this is where we as conservatives have to be extremely careful in how we handle things because we tend to be quick to blame cars. without really knowing all the facts. And we do that all the time. And we look stupid when we do so. The other side does it as well, and they look stupid. I have an article I might get to a little bit later where, you know, AOC years ago talked about how if we didn’t take action on climate change, we’d all be dead in 10 years. Well, she’s eating her words. And we didn’t take those actions. And guess what? We’re fine. But she can be, you know, the other side, she, can be the exact same way as we can be. And people can be that way, generally speaking, when they’re not looking at all of the facts. And they tend to, quote-unquote, jump the gun. Don’t do that. And we, of all people, should not do that. We should be smarter than that. You can’t just point the finger at something without having all the facts in front of you, no matter what it is, including, in this case, an EV garage fire. What caused it? I have no idea, folks. To my knowledge, unless somebody knows something that I don’t, I haven’t seen anything reported on that fire. And I can tell you right now, knowing how things work in the fire department investigation ends of things, I guarantee you they have no cause at this point. They don’t know. They don’t know. So, you know, this is talking about lithium ion in that particular battery and blah, blah, blah. But again, folks, let me tell you what, they don’t know. They located this fire in the kitchen counter. It could have been from batteries, could have been from a laptop, could have been cell phones. Again, there’s going to be a lot more investigative work on this before it’s all said and done. And at the end of the day, I don’t know what cost it. Because was it really the EV? Was it something inside? Was it a laptop? Was it a cell phone? I mean, I don’t know, folks. And frankly, after reading a little bit of this particular article, no one does. And I know from experience that it will take the fire department several weeks, if not months, to determine exactly what the cause of the fire actually was. Somebody just said that it was his neighbor and it was an EV charger that exploded. So if that is, in fact, the case, I don’t disagree. I’m not denying that you’re the neighbor and that wasn’t what happened. If that’s the case, then that’s a different issue. So, again, if that was the problem, then it’s not the EV’s fault. It’s the charger’s fault. So, again, folks, be careful when you go out and accuse something of something when you don’t have all the facts in front of you. Joe, you’re next.
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John, just a quick comment on the EV road tax. I just did a quick math. Just to make things simple, I said, okay, well, first of all, the Colorado fuel tax is 21.19 cents per gallon. So I said, okay, let’s have a car that’s only driving 15,000 miles per year, which is kind of viewed as kind of the standard average 15,000 a year. And I said, and let’s assume that it gets 20 miles to the gallon, which is, you know, some do better, some do better.
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That’s reasonable.
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So anyway, so if you divide those up, you come up with that at 21 cents a gallon, the typical driver, if he’s driving 15,000 miles a year, is going to be paying $220 per year in road taxes. And so even if 100% of that $50 went to the roads, and let’s not forget that an EV, because it’s heavier, tends to put more wear and tear in the roads than your typical Kia Telluride, I think that $50 is a fraction of what it needs to be.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah, it’s actually, as I just looked it up, it’s 5719 right now, so it’s not 50, but it’s not as much as it should be. And how many miles a year did you figure on that particular vehicle?
SPEAKER 06 :
Sorry. 15,020 miles per gallon.
SPEAKER 04 :
Okay, 15,000, which, by the way, is probably a little high for most EVs. I doubt most EVs will travel the full 15,000. Some will. I mean, it’s like anything else, Joe. Some will, some won’t, but not all will.
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Well, I was just painting, you know, I was saying the typical… Right. Internal combustion engine does about $15,000 per year. And that’s what the typical internal combustion engine is paying. If they do 15,000 miles per year and they’re getting 20 miles per gallon average.
SPEAKER 04 :
So they’re using 750 gallons a year and you’re figuring how many cents a gallon? 21.2 cents per gallon.
SPEAKER 06 :
21 cents a gallon, roughly. So it’s $157, right? No, I came up with 220.
SPEAKER 04 :
750 gallons at 21 cents is 157. I’m sorry, 29. 29 cents. Okay, that makes more sense. So 29 cents is 230. So basically it’s about three times as much as what an EV is paying. If the 15,000 is equal.
SPEAKER 06 :
Right, if it’s 15,000. And even if it’s only 12, John, given the heavier weight of an EV. What’s a typical Tesla way compared to a… It’s the same as an F-150.
SPEAKER 04 :
It’s about 4,000 pounds, a little over that, 4,200 pounds.
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Yeah, and by the way, with these CAFE standards, they were putting more and more plastic and aluminum cars and less steel. So, you know, the typical weight of a car has been getting lighter and lighter. Correct. I think it kind of, yeah, they may drive less than 15,000, but at the same time, they’re a whole lot heavier. So, again, I think the $57, John, is grossly understated, even if 100% of that was going to the road. Now, of course, our legislature being wanting to electrify everything, won’t ever make it what it should be. At least I don’t believe they would.
SPEAKER 04 :
They’re going to make it $100 by 2031, meaning it still isn’t going to be enough.
SPEAKER 06 :
John, with inflation, even if you only adjust it for inflation and not adjusting for the true cost or the equivalent cost.
SPEAKER 04 :
Right. Now, really quick, make sure that we’re clear on this, too. The road, bridge fee, and so on, that’s a separate fee EVs pay, and that is based on weight.
SPEAKER 06 :
Now, is that also a fee that applies to cars?
SPEAKER 04 :
I’m sure cars are paying that, too. But keep in mind, an EV is going to pay more because, to our point, they weigh more.
SPEAKER 06 :
Okay, well, that maybe evens it out a little bit.
SPEAKER 04 :
I mean, at the end of the day, they’re still not, and I’ve said this for years, they’re still not what they need to be. But my point is, you can’t say they’re not paying anything because that’s a lie, Joe. We are. I mean, I am.
SPEAKER 06 :
No, absolutely.
SPEAKER 04 :
You’re not paying nothing, but the question is… Am I paying as much as I would be on one of my other vehicles that I put fuel in? No.
SPEAKER 06 :
No, of course not. And, of course, by the way, I believe the tax per gallon is more on a diesel. Correct. And, of course, your mileage on a diesel is – well, you may get – Depends. What’s a half-ton diesel or three-quarter-ton diesel truck getting mileage per gallon?
SPEAKER 04 :
Well, three-quarter-tons down in the teens, the half-tons will do 28. They’re way better.
SPEAKER 06 :
Really?
SPEAKER 04 :
Oh, yeah. Okay. Yeah, that little Duramax in the Chevys, for example, will get 28 miles per gallon pretty easily.
SPEAKER 06 :
You don’t even want to know what I was getting in my V10 three-quarter ton Dodge Ram.
SPEAKER 04 :
Ten or less.
SPEAKER 06 :
Well, 11 without the trailer.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah, I had one once. So, yeah, I know very well what they get. Nothing. Zero. They’re awful.
SPEAKER 06 :
Eight with the trailer.
SPEAKER 04 :
That’s right. They’re awful.
SPEAKER 06 :
They were awful.
SPEAKER 04 :
You’re definitely paying your fair share in one of those. Absolutely. Well, thank God my wife only took it to horse shows. There you go. There you go. No, point being, yes, EV owners pay. No, they don’t pay their full fair share. And I’ve said that for years. That needs to be an adjustment. And again, good luck on that one.
SPEAKER 06 :
And by the way, speaking of, you know, I haven’t done the math, but I was looking at that electric map. You know, California is up over 30 cents a kilowatt hour. I’m going to have to guess that sooner or later you’re going to get to a point where Well, of course, their price of gas is up over $5 a gallon. But if their price of gas was $3 a gallon, I’m wondering at what point does the cost of electricity make it cheaper to drive an internal combustion engine?
SPEAKER 04 :
Good point. Great question. Great question, Joe.
SPEAKER 06 :
Maybe I’ll take that.
SPEAKER 04 :
Do the math. All right. I’ll do the math. All right, ma’am. Joe, appreciate you very much. As always, appreciate it. We’ll come back, talk to Richard here in just one moment. Golden Eagle Financial coming up next. Make sure you’re dialed in with all of your future finances. Talk to Al Smith today. Find him at klzradio.com.
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Putting reason into your afternoon drive, this is John Rush.
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And we are back, Rush to Reason, Denver’s Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560. My son Richard joining us now. Okay, let’s start with sports, of course, the Broncos, which… I don’t know. I guess the ultimate thing on that game, Richard, that I saw the most of and was even watching the game and had people around, you know, yelling and screaming and hollering because the Raiders really screwed up the betters.
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And explain what I mean by that, by the way.
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Yeah, so the spread was, I think, 8.5, right, which means – and it was the Broncos. So, you know, the Broncos to either win or lose – you know, to win by 8.5 or the Raiders to lose by less than 8.5, right? Well, going into the final drive, the Raiders were down 10 points, I believe. So a lot of betters who were on the Broncos were kind of looking forward to them. And the Broncos – or basically the Raiders throw down. They get a stop. I think it’s with, like – Six seconds left or five seconds left.
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Five seconds. It was five.
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And they’re in balance. They have no timeouts left. Our defender comes up, and the ref said that he knocked the ball out of the guy’s hands, and so they called the delay of game penalty, which really isn’t that big of a deal. It moves the ball five yards closer. But the biggest thing it did is it stopped the clock, right? So it gave the Raiders a chance for one more play, and a lot of people thought maybe they’d take a shot at the end zone or whatever it is. Well, Pete Carroll didn’t do that. And you can argue, you know, he’s scamming. He’s, you know, betting on the game. I don’t think it’s any of those things. It’s just, and maybe he did know the spread. I have no idea. I mean, but when you’re closer there and you need, I mean, technically you’re down 10 and it was kind of silly dad, right? Cause most of our coaches, you know, you maybe go for a touchdown, something of that nature, but for them to kick the field goal and, was sort of a… It was a poke in the eye at all the bettors, is the way I look at it.
SPEAKER 04 :
I mean, personally, I think Pete Carroll knew exactly what he was doing, and he was poking the eye of everybody betting on the game. That’s my thought. And by the way, that’s Pete Carroll’s personality, so that one would not surprise me. And as you guys can all tell, I can’t stand that guy. I think he’s one of the biggest jerks on the planet. And if you like Pete Carroll, more power to you. I think the guy’s a huge jerk.
SPEAKER 08 :
And you could be right. He could have – and you know what, Dad, you’re probably right. You probably did know, and that was his way of, you know, sticking it to the betters to say, okay, yeah, you want the Broncos to win by this much. You’re not going to have it. And ultimately, Dad, the score was never really that close, right? The Raiders got sort of a late touchdown. That kind of obviously brought them within 10. Broncos sort of drove down. I think we ended up kicking the field, or I don’t know. Basically, we ended up driving down. I think we punted it. Raiders got the ball back. they kind of drove down. It really didn’t mean anything at the end of the day, except for a lot of people. And in today’s NFL, the day and age where gambling is legal, and you have a lot of people, especially in Vegas, that even if this game wasn’t in Vegas, but that’s kind of another pretty big factor at play. With that being the case, this is, I don’t know, it’s a decent-sized story. So Outside of the fact that it is a story for the better is that there’s really not a whole lot else that changed, right? In that the Broncos dominated in the way that we knew that they should dominate. And ultimately, the game was never as close as the final score indicated.
SPEAKER 04 :
No, not even.
SPEAKER 08 :
And I feel like, yeah, it was really, I mean, honestly, it just felt like the Broncos were in control, to be honest with you.
SPEAKER 04 :
Right. And they were. I mean, first drive, our defense has to make a few adjustments, which, of course, they didn’t always do. And then after that, it was really controlled by the Broncos from that point on, as it should be, by the way, especially given the team that they were playing. Question, I guess, is, and we’ll talk about the Chiefs here in a moment, but as things move forward, it looks like we and the Patriots are the top two in the AFC. What does that mean for us moving forward?
SPEAKER 08 :
So it means the Broncos have the ability to, well, I guess I’ll say it this way. The Broncos have the ability to not have a, they have the luxury of being able to tie with the Patriots and still hold a tiebreaker. Because believe it or not, First game of the season, the Raiders looked like world beaters. Pete Carroll was going to come and set them on fire. I think Geno Smith had over 300 yards of passing. Raiders ended up beating the Patriots. Their two losses on the year. And so by us beating them, we have a common opponent tiebreaker that will automatically, basically by winning that Raiders game, we swept the Raiders. So no matter what happens the rest of the season, if we end with the same record as the Patriots, right, 13-4, 12-5, 14-3, whatever it may be, we automatically go over them. So it’s kind of one less team you have to worry about, right? And both of us are going into probably the toughest part of our schedule, right? The Broncos play four winning – well, not four anymore. We’ll get to the Chiefs here in a second. Three of their last four are against teams that have winning records as obviously as it stands right now, right? We play the Packers this week. We then play the Jaguars. Then we play the Chiefs on Christmas Day. And then we play the Chargers at home to finish off the season. So really some tough games for the Broncos. Patriots are similar. They actually play – well, I think they play the Bills this weekend, which the Bills have got to win that game. They go and I think they play the Dolphins. They have some tough games that they have to go into too. They also have some easy games as well. So that’s really what it means, Dad. But we’re at the top of it right now. Kind of went through some playoff scenarios today. And really what Broncos fans need to know is you have a really good chance, Dad, at ending up with the one seed. Now there’s definitely some stuff that has to happen, right? The Broncos just kind of have to keep taking care of business. You can’t let your foot off the gas. You need to win probably at least two of your next four games. So even if you go 500 over the last four weeks of the season, you’ll still likely have the one seed because the Patriots are likely to lose one or two more games, maybe even more of that, but they’re likely to do that. And then all of the other teams behind you are, for the most part, they all have five losses, right? So as long as the Broncos win two of their last four, that only puts them with four losses. They’re pretty much guaranteed to finish above anyone in the standings. And I’m going to make sure that I’m not speaking some craziness right now, because obviously I don’t have as much knowledge as my son does based on Friday’s show. But I think that that is the case. Yeah, so technically the Bills have four losses, and they could win a tiebreaker in the Chargers. So in theory, if the Chargers swept the rest of the year, same with the Jaguars, which they can’t because they have to play you, and then same with the Bills, you could end up in tie. And really the only one of those teams where ties get funky just based on head-to-heads and conference tiebreakers and things like that, would be the Bills. You could potentially lose to the Bills on a tiebreaker. And that’s actually, I think, and Andy’s going to love saying this, although I know he’s going to kind of be negative Nancy about the Packers game this weekend and say we’re going to kill them and all the other stuff. Don’t believe him, by the way, folks, because he’s just negative about his team. The Jaguars game is more important, right? Because it’s more important strictly from a tiebreaking standpoint. Because head-to-head always trumps whatever else you have going on. Does that make sense? And so no matter what happens, if you are head-to-head with someone, you have a greater chance, and you beat them, that’s sort of the end-all, be-all tiebreaker. And that’s kind of where the Broncos are at. So really, this game against the Packers, while it matters because you need to keep winning, of your last three, this is your only NFC opponent in your last four games. It’s actually your last remaining NFC opponent in general, and you can lose that game. So if the Broncos do lose this weekend, but they put up a good fight, but the Packers pull it, it’s not the end of the world. It may seem like it, but it’s not. Your last ones really are your most important, right? You play the Jaguars, you play the Chiefs on the road, you play the Chargers at home, and again, you’ve got to win two of those three basically to do it. Really, this weekend is sort of gravy. It still matters, right, because overall record does matter in the NFL, but the first tiebreakers, like I just said, head-to-head first, then it kind of goes to – it’s kind of muddled, right? It goes to, like, common opponents, and then it goes to conference record, and then, you know, margin of all sorts of craziness. But all you need to know is really head-to-head, sort of it kind of goes there first, and then it goes to, you know, common opponents. And by having a common opponent tiebreaker, the Broncos are in a much better position than they were last week. So I’m happy that, again, I know it wasn’t the – I don’t know, maybe some fans were hoping for, like, a 30-0, you know, You beat down like the Vikings had over, again, I should ask Josh Shelnok, whoever they played. But ultimately, Dad, I felt like the Broncos were in control from start to finish. I actually felt like Bo played really well. He didn’t make any silly mistakes. He played within himself. The special teams came along and won. It was one of those wins where I really felt like it was a complete victory. team win, right? Like, I didn’t feel like one area was, you know, one spot was lacking more than the others, and that was really encouraging on a lot of side of things. Outside of that, I was impressed at.
SPEAKER 04 :
Really quick, before we go to break and come back and talk about the Chiefs, one thing that I read, and again, I always take these with a grain of salt because I never know if these are actually true or not, but I saw a comparison side-by-side of where Bo Nix is in his career versus John Elway. Same wins, same losses, so they’re both equal as far as the record is concerned, but the stats that Bo has, and granted, it’s a different NFL than when John Elway was playing against a different team, but Bo Nix’s stats are better than John Elway is throughout his career.
SPEAKER 08 :
Yeah, and like you say, I have a hard time comparing those for a lot of the reasons that you said, right? Namely, it’s really hard to compare eras, especially the era in which we’re in now. I feel like it’s really extra difficult to compare the area with which we’re in now to the area in which Elway played in, just because it was different, right? Back then it was lots of under center, lots of, you know, playing, you know, lots of running the ball. Elway got killed. There’s actually a documentary, we didn’t talk about this, that’s coming out on Netflix on the 22nd of December. And I’m really fascinated because it’s about Elway. And you just kind of watch some of his stuff that, and I think, I find it fascinating to really go back and watch him as a player because I think if he was in today’s NFL, it would really… I think it would be different. He would have set just an insane amount of records. That’s just who Elway was. He was just crazy good. So I get what you’re saying, and I’ve seen the same stats. And actually, I think Bo wins a lot of really close games. And in fact, I think he’s actually tied for Elway for the most fourth-quarter comebacks in a season. And I actually think there’s more to be said about that than there is anything else because I think that shows a clutch gene. Outside of that, I just don’t know if there’s too much to compare just because of the different eras and how things were different. And the team with which Elway was honestly behind was just pretty awful.
SPEAKER 04 :
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SPEAKER 04 :
All right, we are back. And if you haven’t looked west at the sunset, I encourage you to do so. It’s absolutely beautiful tonight. All right, talk to us about the Chiefs. And it’s always a good day when the Chiefs are beat, Richard.
SPEAKER 08 :
I was going to say, Dad, I was going to almost lead off with that, and Chiefs fans can sit there and say, you’re more worried about the Chiefs than the Bucs. Yes, yes I am, and I will gladly admit that because You know what? Take it as a compliment because the Chiefs have been so good for so long, Dad, that it really feels good when they sort of enjoy the pain that the rest of us have felt, right? You know, receivers dropping passes, you know, not making the right plays, you know, not being able to get pressure without blitzing certain things. And that sort of feels like what’s happening. And they’re not officially out of it, Dad, where they can still run the table. which they pretty much have to do because they’ve got seven losses, I think, or I think it’s maybe eight now. I think it’s eight losses. They can still run the table and they can still make it in, but it’s very, very unlikely that they make the postseason just based – well, and the other thing that’s crazy is it’ll either be the Broncos or the Chargers that are the AFC West champions this year, which ends their streak, which again, kudos to them because it ends their streak of – I think it was nine straights. afc west championships that they they have won um now the broncos and rightfully so are going to come back and and sean payton’s gonna say we don’t care about division championships we want a super bowl which is the 100 correct answer but there is something to be said dad about the chiefs winning that many afc west championships in a row it’s crazy their path to Another Super Bowl is really difficult, to say the least, and will be something that I guess I think is, again, very unlikely to to have happen.
SPEAKER 04 :
And so I just want to add this because this is something that other. sports, baseball, need to recognize as to how the NFL has structured things to where it’s really getting harder and harder, Richard, to have a quote-unquote dynasty because with salary caps and the way the draft works and so on, the NFL does its best to try to keep even teams that are in smaller markets still competitive with those teams that are in the larger markets, which, by the way, baseball has not figured out yet.
SPEAKER 08 :
No, and you’re 100% correct, Dad, and that’s one of the reasons why baseball is struggling. We’ve talked about it. We’ll talk about it more next year because they will – again, they’re likely to undergo a work stoppage, which is a different conversation because they can’t seem to get it in order. In the NFL, it rarely happens. Honestly, it’s why – again, kudos to the Chiefs. I know no one wants to hear that, but kudos to them because they really have been – in an on an insane run right they’ve they’ve been given what i just said absolutely yes yes yes yes yeah they’ve been winning i think you know three of the last or you know they’ve gone to i think three of the last four i don’t even know they’ve been there a lot right and we all know it they they won you a few years ago got destroyed last year but it’s just it’s really hard to do that in the nfl and kudos to them they have although i’ve talked to plenty of cheese fans and a lot of them were just, they’ve been sort of waiting for this for a while and it just hasn’t happened yet. And so now that it’s kind of here, a lot of them are actually okay with it. They’re like, you know what, maybe we’ll get a little bit rest. Maybe we’ll actually get a little bit better of a draft pick and some things like that. So yeah, again, to say, you know, I don’t want to say, you know, ding dong, the witch is dead. Although I do, I just don’t, unfortunately, I don’t think that it’s quite, it’s quite there yet. Cause they still have to lose. And until they are a hundred percent eliminated from the playoffs race, dad, I can’t, you know, the fat lady’s not singing yet. And so we’re not there. But, yep, they’re getting close. And the last thing that I was going to say, and I know I kind of mentioned it to you, is the college football playoff was announced over the weekend. And there’s lots of sad Catholics out there, sad Notre Dame fans, right, the Golden Domers, because they were left out of the playoff. And a lot of it can be said, Dad, right, we can get into the nitty-gritty, which is Notre Dame is, and independent, so they’re not necessarily tied to a conference, and so they’re kind of at a disadvantage. But you can say that that’s their own doing because they make so much money on their TV deal by being independent. Ultimately, Dad, all this means is college football will likely expand here in the next few years. years to a 16 team playoff, maybe even more than that potentially, but you’ll have 16 teams in they’ll have most obviously, I think, you know, three rounds or however many that’ll be or four, I guess there’ll be four rounds. And I think it’ll ultimately be better. Although dad, they’ve got to get something figured out because college football is going by the college football, as we know it is going by the wayside. And if they don’t fix it and Congress doesn’t come together and you and I are both on the, Total, not opposite ends, but we don’t like regulation. However, they’ve got to get something figured out because college football is literally the wild, wild west right now. And if they don’t get something figured out, it’s going to be literally probably 40 of the top programs in the entire country and everyone else. And it’s going to be everyone else kind of fighting for the scraps. In other words, it’s going to become baseball. Yeah. Yeah, it is, because while they’ve tried to put a salary cap in place to kind of make even playing field, there’s ways around the salary cap, just like there is in baseball. And so, yeah, you are 100% correct. That’s actually a great way of putting it. And honestly, college football, they are second to the NFL in terms of your TD ratings and value and all that sort of stuff. If they are not careful, though, Dad, they will be the, you know, fat pigs get slaughtered. That will be them, because if they’re not careful, they will basically shoot themselves. in the foot and all the other places and cause them to do ultimately.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah, and that’s something that, you know, they, again, sort of look at the NCAA, very similar to I do CHASA in Colorado, although I hate CHASA more than I do the NCAA, although in a lot of ways, not too far apart. Neither one of them, in my opinion, are highly run organizations. I’m sorry to say they’re just not.
SPEAKER 08 :
They’re not highly run, Dad, and they’re both inept, the leaders. And yes, Chas, I’ll say that. They’re inept because so much goes on in Chas and how it’s run and how they do things and what they choose to enforce versus what they choose to turn their head. Same thing with the NCAA right now. And unfortunately, Dad, as the NCAA tries to sort of hold together because of March Madness, essentially, it’s likely not going to happen. And fans are suffering as a result. I don’t even want to say players are suffering anymore because they’re actually being paid now. That’s the fans that are. Different conversation for another time. But if they don’t figure it out, Dad, it could be bad.
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All right, wrapping up this second hour, another hour coming your way. We’re going to start off the top of the hour with Patrick Payton. Hopefully he’ll be joining us. And he is actually former mayor of Midland, Texas. And we’re going to talk to him. And he’s got some ideas on some of you that go to family get togethers, Christmas and so on, whereby the political ideology might be different inside of the family. How do you still keep the peace while yet enjoying each other’s company. We’ll talk about that next as soon as we come back. Hour 3 is coming up next. Rush to Reason, Denver’s Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560.
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I’m a rich guy.
