Join Kim Munson in an insightful discussion on the evolving landscape of politics and public policy. In this episode, we delve into the latest happenings at the Statehouse and the implications of giving unelected bureaucrats unchecked power. Engage in a conversation about freedom versus force and witness the unfolding dynamic between public-private partnerships and community interests in Colorado. Stay abreast of the political arena as we explore the initiative launched by Governors Polis and Pritzker against perceived threats to democracy. Discuss the responsibilities and dangers of cronyism while navigating through the complex landscape of governance. Discover how these changes
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With what is happening down at the Statehouse, I used to think that it was above my pay grade to read the legislation, and it’s not.
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Today’s current opinions and ideas.
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I see big danger in as much as we will be giving an unelected bureaucrat the power to make rules about what we inject into our bodies.
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Is it freedom or is it force? Let’s have a conversation.
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indeed let’s have a conversation and welcome to the kim munson show thank you so much for joining us you’re each treasured you’re valued you have purpose today strive for excellence take care of your heart your soul your mind and your body my friends we were made for this moment in history and thank you to the team that’s producer joe luke rachel zach echo charlie mike all the people here at crawford broadcasting happy thursday producer joe happy thursday kim And another great show planned for all of you today. So thank you for joining us. As you know, all this broadcast on KLZ 560 and all of the KLZ 560 platforms. And the first hour is repeated or an encore broadcast one to two in the afternoon each day and the second hour, 10 to 11 at night. And then the shows with the summary are on the website. And in that, you just click on the image. You’ll get the summary of the show as well as a link to the podcast. But also you can listen to all that on iTunes and Spotify and all of the different streaming services. so the website is kim munson that’s m-o-n s-o-n dot com and there sign up for my weekly email newsletter you’ll get first look at our upcoming guests as well as our most recent essays you can email me at kim kimmunson.com and thank you to all of you who support us we are an independent voice and we search for truth and clarity by looking at these issues through the lens of freedom versus force force versus freedom if something’s a good idea you should not have to force people to do it and it’s never compassionate to take other people’s stuff, whether or not it’s their rights, their property, freedom, livelihoods, opportunities, or lives. And force can be a weapon, policy, unpredictable and excessive taxation, fear, coercion, government-induced inflation, the World Economic Forum’s agenda, which goes right into the globalist and United Nations agenda, this Colorado state legislature, the Colorado governor, World Health Organization, land use codes, zoning regulations. We’re going to be adding a new one on, Joe. And that is, and we’ll have Yvonne Paez on tomorrow. And several of you listeners have reached out regarding this whole Fort Collins trash issue. situation where apparently, and Yvonne will set this up for us tomorrow, but apparently Fort Collins is saying that you have to use their preferred provider. And if you don’t, if you have a different trash provider, you can have them, but you then have to just pay a fee to Fort Collins for not using their preferred provider. trash provider. Now that whole thing reeks of what’s called public-private partnerships. And that is one of the things where big government gets in bed with big business. And that’s what’s really cronyism. And we talk about that on a regular basis. So I think that we need to add in here forced fees. So I think, Joe, I think that’s going to be a new one is adding in forced fees. We’re going to get to a point where the whole list takes up the first first segment of the show, Joe. I agree. And this is getting a long list, too. And this is opposite to the American idea where government would be limited. People get to keep most of the money that they work for in their pocket. And so we’ve got to be pushing back on that. So remember, my friends, if something’s a good idea, you should not have to use force to implement it. On the show, we focus on the issues, not the personalities. We will mention people that are pushing issues, but that is what we want to stay over here is. Try to keep the emotion out of these issues so that we understand what’s going on. Our word of the day is apparatus, and it’s spelled A-P-P-A-R-A-T-U-S. It is a noun. Now, it could be an appliance or device for a particular purpose. Number two, it could be an integrated group of materials or devices used for a particular purpose. For example, a dental apparatus. But I think this is probably what we could really use this in a sentence today. And that is the totality of means by which a designated function is performed or a specific task executed as in a system of government. And Donald Trump and company. have a real challenge to work to dismantle this huge government bureaucratic apparatus that we have, particularly in Washington. And so that is the challenge on what is going to happen there. The text line, and I do want to hear from you. I try to stay on top of that as much as possible. The text line is 720605. And the quote of the day is from Marcus Aurelius, and he was born in 121, died in 180. He was a Roman emperor from 161 to 180 and known as a Stoic philosopher. And he is known as one of the five good emperors and the last emperor of the Pax Romana, which was an age of relative peace, calm and stability. And he said this, if it is not right, do not do it. And if it is not true, do not say it. So, again, that is Marcus Aurelius. I did choose just a few this day in history. In 1775, floods ravage the Dutch coast provinces. So again, a weather event a long, long time ago. And that is always a good segue into mentioning A Climate Conversation, which is the documentary I had the great honor to moderate. It is the project of Walt Johnson. And we have started a podcast series to complement that and just really amazing guests, scientists, experts on on this whole issue. So check out a climate conversation dot com. But again, 1775. floods ravaged the Dutch coast provinces. In 1834, William Thompson, later scientist Lord Kelvin, enters Glasgow University at the age of 10 years and four months old. Pretty amazing. In 1889, New York world reporter Nellie Bly begins her attempt to surpass the fictitious journey of Jules Verne’s Phileas Fogg by traveling around the world in under 80 days. And she succeeds finishing the trip in 72 days and six hours. And I, as a child, had a book, a biography of Nellie Bly. And at that time, when I was a little girl, I thought I wanted to be a journalist. Life takes all kinds of twists and moves and whatever. And here, after all these years later, I am a journalist and also, of course, commentary as well. But that book really, I think in a way, really affected my life. So in 1896, a power plant at Niagara Falls begins operation, creating electricity there. And in 1994, the first public trains run through the Channel Tunnel, linking England and France under the English Channel. Don’t you find that amazing? That just the creativity and innovation of man, that they could make that happen. I just find that so, so interesting. So last night the girls were over, and if you’re listening, somebody left their phone at my house. And I will get an email out to everybody, but I know that’s highly, highly inconvenient. But I did take part in the… hooters wings special you buy 20 wings you get an additional 10 for free that’s their special on wednesdays and that’s for to go or to dine in and by the time i got to the table and they they were all gone but they they do a great job on hooters wings there and they have again five locations loveland aurora lone tree westminster and colorado springs and a great place to get together with friends and family to partake of their lunch specials Monday through Friday, and also they have great happy hour specials. How I got to know them, it is a very important story about freedom, free markets, and capitalism, butting heads with PBIs, politicians, bureaucrats, and interested parties, and you can find all that at my website. The first headline that I wanted to go to was, this is from the Denver Post, and the headline is this. Increasing threats of autocracy, there we go, spurs Jared Polis to join Illinois governor in a new initiative ahead of the second Trump term. And there are those that have tried to say that Jared Polis is a libertarian. I think this headline explains that that’s not the case. And so it says a week after former President Donald Trump won a return to the White House, Colorado Governor Jared Polis has joined with Illinois Governor J.B. Pritzker to announce a new effort pushing back against increasing threats of autocracy as Pritzker described it. And, of course, Pritzker really rules, I would say, Illinois with an iron hand. It says, but both Democrat governors shied away from pointing the initiative directly at the incoming Republican administration. The new effort, dubbed Governor’s Safeguarding Democracy, stands apart from the longstanding National Governors Association, which Polis now chairs, and the party-aligned Republican and Democrat Governors Associations. It aims to corral governors’ offices, think tanks, legal experts, and democracy and open government advocates to shape policy and plans that truly protect the rule of law. Instead of that rule of law, I think what we really want to be protecting, my friends, is our Constitution. And that was a quote from Polis, though. He said to shape policy and plans to truly protect the rule of law, Polis said ahead of this formal announcement. says the governor’s positioned it as a potential bipartisan group against overreach, though Pritzker declined to name any Republicans currently in office he’s talking to. Its governing board includes two former Republican governors, Arne Carlson of Minnesota and Bill Weld of Massachusetts, according to a list of names shared on a call with reporters on Tuesday. Neither man held the office in the 21st century. And it goes on to say, this is about whatever threats come our way at the federal level. It’s not about a particular threat, Polis said during the media call. He listed election systems, the independent judiciary, and constitutional principles as key areas of concern. I have to say I probably agree with him on that, on election systems, independent judiciary, and constitutional principles. Then he goes on to say, this is key, it’s about being proactive around educating people. and making sure governors have a toolkit to support our small-D Democrat institutions, as well as, of course, reacting effectively and coordinating the response to any threats to our democracy that come from any president or from foreign powers. And then this goes on to finish up the unmistakable context surrounding the announcement. was worry among the governor’s fellow Democrats about the prospect of Trump’s second term in office after he had won last week’s election. So stay tuned on all of that. And, of course, here in Colorado, we are at the tip of the spear of all of the things that are happening, I think, in our country that are antithetical to the American idea. And last night, I would say it was really a theme of the girls, grateful that Trump has won this election. But we have much work to do in our communities with our friends and family regarding pushing back just what this particular initiative is going to do. And we need to roll up our sleeves. I think there’s going to be some very exciting things happening in Colorado because Colorado is at the tip of the spear of what is going on out there. And so we are blessed to have these conversations, and we have them because of our sponsors. 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And welcome back to The Kim Munson Show. Be sure and check out our website. That is KimMunson, M-O-N-S-O-N.com. Sign up for our weekly email newsletter. You can email me at Kim at KimMunson.com. And thank you to all of you who support us. We’re an independent voice. We search for truth and clarity by looking at these issues through the lens of freedom versus force, force versus freedom. If something’s a good idea, you should not have to force people to do it. And thank you to Laramie Energy for their goal sponsorship of the show. It is reliable, efficient, affordable, and abundant energy that powers our lives and fuels our hopes and dreams. And, of course, that industry is under attack. And thank you to Ginny for her suggestion that we stand for food. Fuel, fiber, and freedom. And so those are the things that we really focus on protecting. These are all the things that help everyday people thrive and prosper. And so we are in the battle to reclaim all of this for each and every one of us. So thank you to Laramie Energy for their gold sponsorship of the show. And on the text line 720-605-0647, definitely great minds think alike. This is from Mark in Aurora. He said this. He said, good morning, Kim. Have you heard about the Democrat Association of Governors allied against the new MAGA government? I heard it’s chaired by Pritzker and Polis. He’s correct. And they intend to resist unwanted federal intrusions into their fascist mob rule in state democracies. And he says, sometimes I find that it’s essential to bring flawed personalities into focus in order to expose their evil anti-American apparatus. Thank you from Mark and Aurora. When I talk about not focusing on personalities, I think what I – I don’t want to get into the arrow fighting that we – arrows back and forth that we see, a lot of that infighting that we see in our political parties. And so I try to stay out of that, but you’re absolutely right. We have to talk about the people and personalities that are pushing these things forward. And then also, thank you, Gammy. She says, remember Pat Stryker and the Globalist Elite. And we talked about it last night when the girls were over. And that was the blueprint for Colorado. And that was Pat Stryker, Jared Polis, Tim Gill, and Rep Bridges. And the four of them were involved in that. But it is important to realize that it actually, they didn’t create that. Who really created that was Al Yates, who had been the, I don’t know, chancellor or whatever at Colorado State University. And Colorado State University actually really has moved very far to the left. And he was the I think it’s the chancellor in the 90s. And he’s the one that brought the four of them together. And so this has been this plan has been occurring for a long time. But I think we’ve got some real opportunities here in Colorado. And so stay tuned. Stay excited about all of that. Next thing, first of all, Mike Huckabee has been tapped to be the ambassador to Israel. And but this one yesterday, when I found this out, I about fell over. And that is, is that Trump has tapped Matt Gaetz, a representative from Florida, to be his pick for attorney general. And Matt Gaetz is not popular for sure with those on the left and also some of the Republican Party. So this is from NBC News, and it says Justice Department officials and Republican senators are baffled at Trump’s attorney general pick. And it said this shockwaves through Washington, D.C. among Justice Department officials and senators who will vote early next year on whether to confirm this Florida congressman. And if Gates is confirmed to the nation’s top law enforcement position, he would oversee these departments, including the FBI and Justice Department, both of which Trump has relentlessly attacked for years. Gates is a Trump loyalist known for being a rabble rouser in Congress. He has a law degree and briefly practiced law in Florida before entering politics, but he’s never worked as a prosecutor. And I think what we’re seeing also with Trump and these appointments is that he really does appreciate loyalty. And the other thing, and I could not find this on any of my web searches, but I did see a quick headline this morning that said that Elon Musk has threatened that those that stand in front of, the Republicans that stand in front of Trump the Trump agenda that he would fund primaries against them. And so they’re taking off the gloves on trying to get this Trump agenda going. And we need to watch carefully as well and make sure that, as we had the conversation with Trent yesterday, Trent Luce, that we need to make sure that none of this World Economic Forum agenda is instituted within this administration. So we need to watch really, really closely on all of that. 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And welcome back to The Kim Munson Show. Be sure and check out our website. That is KimMunson, M-O-N-S-O-N.com. Sign up for our weekly email newsletter. You can email me at Kim at KimMunson.com as well. And thank you to all of you who support us. We’re an independent voice. We search for truth and clarity by looking at these issues through the lens of freedom versus force, force versus freedom. If something’s a good idea, you should not have to force people to do it. And did want to mention the USMC Memorial Foundation. As you know, they are raising money for the remodel of the Marine Memorial, which is out at 6th and Colfax. And as we’re getting into the Christmas Hanukkah season, a great gift for your loved one would be to honor their military service by purchasing a brick that will be on one of their pathways of service. You’ll get a beautiful certificate, which is a lovely gift. And you can get more information about that by going to usmcmemorialfoundation.org. On the line with me is Jay Davidson. He is the founder and CEO of First American State Bank, which is a community bank which is located right here in the metro area. Great sponsor of the show. Jay Davidson, welcome.
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Well, Kim, thank you. It’s an honor to be with you.
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Well, always great conversations. Before we get into it, though, tell us a little bit more about the focus of First American State Bank, because really our community banks have been the banks that have really helped people go after their hopes and dreams. So tell us a little bit about First American State Bank.
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Well, we’re truly a community bank. We live and work and thrive here and in the area. We’re in Greenwood Village, but we extend all over the Front Range. And we started as a commercial bank, which means I do a lot of commercial real estate lending. And then we expanded into home mortgages. And now we’re expanding into millennials and Gen Xers and others, other younger people through a really nice suite of of mobile applications and internet applications. Thank goodness we have people here that understand what I just said, because I don’t. But this is how the younger people want to transact and interact with the bank, which is fine with us. I met a lot of these younger folks through my kids and their spouses. And I was very impressed with these millennial business people. They’re right on top of the game. They’re really good people. They work hard, and they’re the future. So we have the whole range of things from the high net worth, you know, multimillionaire, multibillionaire people, to the business owner, to the millennials, to the Gen Xers and the Gen Zers and so on and so forth. And we even take care of some baby boomers that are still around like me.
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Well, that’s great. So you’re located in Greenwood Village, but yet people, it sounds like, don’t have to come to the bank to do all the transactions that you’re able to accommodate them where they are, which is so important.
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That’s true. It’s incredible what these mobile apps will do for you now. I mean, it’s incredible.
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So how can people get more information about First American State Bank, Jay?
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Probably the best place is the website, FASBANK.com.
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Okay, great. And is there any criteria? Do you need to have a certain amount of money in a savings account?
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No, no, no, no, no, not at all. Okay. No, it doesn’t matter. We can do a dollar or we can do a million or more, actually.
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Well, hopefully we can take a dollar and make a million at some point in time. There you go. I like that. Creativity and innovation. And I’m seeing that too, Jay. And I think that and we’ll segue into the election of Donald Trump. But I see this chomping at the bit of millennials wanting to create things, which I take great heart to. in that. And I’m grateful that Donald Trump is going to be our next 47th president because I feel that of the two candidates, Trump, we have the much better chance of creativity and innovation and lowering rules and regulations and taxes. All those things are impediments to creativity and innovation. So I’m very encouraged with those results. What do you think about the result of the election?
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Well, I prayed that there would be a change away from the progressive, which is also a socialistic and also, I would say, communistic mindset. And by that, I’m not trying to insult anybody because a lot of my friends are progressives and I respect that. But I don’t believe in a bigger government or a central control. And that’s where progressivism goes invariably. What I believe in is a constitutional republic, the fact that our government is controlled by the Constitution, and the government does not control us. I live in a highly regulated industry, and I don’t object to that except when it gets excessive, when it gets based on some bureaucrat’s idea of how I should run my bank. Then I have a real problem with it, and I see that time and again. My friends in the energy business are just getting crushed. My medical doctors, friends and nurses are getting crushed by regulation. So I am encouraged because right, wrong or indifferent, Trump did attempt to reduce regulation and attempted to reduce the control of government in our lives when he was in for his first four years. And he did one other thing that I will be always grateful for. He nominated and got three constitutionalist justices onto the Supreme Court. And the effect that these three have had on the Supreme Court and on the laws that they’ve handled is profound. It will positively affect our nation for decades and generations to come. So I am encouraged by this thing. I think the millennials’ rumor is that a lot more of them moved over and voted for Trump because I think a lot of millennials now are in their peak earning years, and they see, well, this taken from me is not really good for me, but if I can keep more of what I earn and I can reinvest it, then I can do a better job than my government can. And I think they’re starting to see that.
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Well, I think that really is true. I saw that in many of the millennials that I know. Jay, question for you, because regulations, people believe that regulations give them a level of safety, no matter where, if it’s in building or clean air. And so regulations have a place, I guess, but yet what I see is I call them PBIs, politicians, bureaucrats, and interested parties will take these regulations and use them really to try to control industries, but yet we still have disasters that can happen even though we have regulations. What do you say to young people that say, well, we need to have a level of regulation?
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Well, the question, like you posed, is what’s the level? And why do you think that if it starts little, it’s not going to grow big? What has the history told us? Of all these years that you’ve witnessed regulations, have they ever diminished of their own accord? The answer is no. They’ve always increased. Why? It’s human nature. That’s why. Because the bureaucrat, the government employee, the non-private sector government employee has a mindset. Forgive me for saying this, but their mindset is that they’re smarter than we are. Really, that’s what it comes down to. They can better tell us what to do than we can do for ourselves. And frankly, I don’t agree with them, to put it mildly. So I think that we should be very cautious about regulation. And good intentions are not a basis for building a regulation or a law. They’re not a basis for our actions, although the left would say that good intentions matter. And I say no, intentions matter. Doing the right thing matters. Understanding the incredible power in the Declaration of Independence When Thomas Jefferson says that we have certain inalienable rights, in other words, rights given to us by our creator that cannot be taken away by man to life, liberty, and the ownership of property, that is profound. But the regulators want to encroach on life, liberty, and the ownership of property. They do it through regulation. They do it through taxation, through fines, etc., So I would caution people, if you think that a government regulator, a bureaucrat, who self-selected to be coddled for his entire life and not have to make a payroll or start a business, can better decide for you what is right, then I think you should reexamine your premise.
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Well, and Jay, you mentioned property, property rights. Property is inherent, property rights is inherent in the American idea. And when everyday regular people were able to keep most of the fruits of their labor and have property rights, well, what could happen? Well, America happened, where we had everyday people create this amazing, big, broad middle class, which you’re seeing that millennials are recognizing that as well. But what happens with regulations and rules is if you don’t control your property and If the regulators or the taxman controls your property instead of you, that is really an assault upon property rights. So that is why it’s inherent that we must reduce these rules and regulations and taxes so that people have more use of their property. And when they do… They’re able to invest it better, take better care of it. Now, granted, people may risk and they may lose, but they may risk and they may win big. And people need to assess that risk. And, of course, if they’re taking out loans to do that, they need to have a great banking relationship to assess that risk at Jay Davidson.
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That’s a good segue. You’re right. I mean, the… Who will better handle your money, the money that you earned as individuals? You or taking it away, giving it to a government agent and using it? How many times have we complained about abuse by bureaucrats and government agents and even the military, whom I happen to love and adore, but even the military? So… People need to, I think, understand there is a bright line drawn between individual freedom and capitalism. That is a direct line. And the reason I say that is that individual freedom begat capitalism. And capitalism is enlightened self-interest. And I say that because As an individual, you have to have self-interest. In order to survive, you must have that. And some religion would say that that’s evil and that’s mean and that’s the source of all evil. Well, I think you need to look a little more deeply into that concept. Because without self-interest, you will not survive. And why would our creator create us if he did not want us to survive? Right. So the point here is that individual freedom and capitalism and enlightened self-interest go together. There’s a bright line between all of these concepts. Capitalism is the free exchange of goods and services without outside coercion. It’s the whole definition of fair trade, a willing buyer, a willing seller without outside coercion. That is free trade, and that is capitalism. When a regulator gets involved, when a government person, bureaucrat, gets involved, he or she distorts that market, that interchange between a willing buyer and a willing seller. And that is where we go afoul. That’s where we start to harm capitalism. And capitalism, I submit to you, is the most powerful element of our nation. And I say that because… I think it’s even more powerful than our military, which is incredibly powerful, because capitalism creates individuals who are able to self-sustain. And each individual is a force unto him or herself. And so I submit to you that capitalism came out of the brilliant founding of our nation when the founding fathers created a constitution, the Bill of Rights, and declared everything in the Declaration of Independence, and said, well, okay, we need a government, but a government is a necessary evil, and we are going to put restraints on that government. Those restraints are called the Constitution and the Bill of Rights, the amendments. And that started the whole process of freeing individuals to make up their own minds and their own choices. So, you know, when you assume that a regulator is able to better govern your life, then I would suggest that you rethink that and you may come to a different conclusion after you examine the effects of allowing a regulator, a bureaucrat, administrative state person, a government employee to run your life.
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Well, I totally agree. And the other thing is it can stifle creativity and innovation. We’re going to talk more about that with Jay Davidson. He is the founder and CEO of First American State Bank. And for everything mortgages, reach out to Loren Levy. He can help you in 49 of the 50 states, just not New York.
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And welcome back to The Kim Munson Show. Be sure and check out our website. That is KimMunson, M-O-N-S-O-N.com. Sign up for our weekly email newsletter. You can email me at Kim at KimMunson.com as well. Thank you to all of you who support us. We’re an independent voice. We search for truth and clarity by looking at these issues through the lens of freedom versus force, force versus freedom. If something’s a good idea, you shouldn’t have to force people to do it. And do check out the Center for American Values as we’re getting into the Christmas holidays. It would be great to put the family in the car, head down to Pueblo. beautiful Riverwalk. They have great restaurants down there. And visit the Center for American Values. And you just get such inspiration and hope from these portraits of valor. So be sure and check that out. That website is AmericanValueCenter.org. On the line with me is Jay Davidson. He is the CEO and founder of First American State Bank, a very valuable partner of the Kim Munson Show. And I love the fact, Jay, that First American State Bank is coming into the 2024 with, you said, all these different apps that are so important for Gen Xers, millennials, so that they can do their banking. And I love the fact that it is really, I think, personalized service with a community bank. So this is exciting.
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Yeah, it is. It’s kind of a unique strategy in that we are extremely personally oriented. You would normally only do that for the high net worth people, but we’re set up for this. And if millennials were to interface with our people here, they’d find it to be very warm and caring and knowledgeable because that’s who we are. Most of my employees have been here for a long, long time. I can’t seem to get them to go, and they seem to like it here, so I must be doing something wrong. But they’re all really good people, really decent people. And I think the millennials and the Gen Xers and Zers and everybody would enjoy the interaction if they ever needed it. I mean, if they want a loan, come on in. We’ll talk about it. We can facilitate those kinds of things. But a deposit relationship can be done through your mobile app without a problem.
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Well, and Jay, I actually always thought that First American State Bank really only worked with high net worth individuals. So I’m glad to learn this, that young people that are getting ready to go after their hopes and dreams, that you can help them with that as well. And of course, I look at millennials as totally young people. I know that some of them are approaching middle age, but I look at them as very young people myself.
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Well, don’t tell my kids that, because if I tell them they’re approaching middle age, they’ll probably hurt me. But they’re getting there, and I love it. It’s so neat. They’ve got their own little kids. Grandkids are just a wonder. I’m just in awe of these grandkids, as are you, I know.
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Well, and Jay, that’s one of the reasons why we have these conversations is you and I inherited an America where I felt that the sky was the limit. If you worked hard and just really focused on your dreams, that they’re very possible. My father, who passed on last year, had said that if you know what you want and are willing to work for it, anything is possible. And I had felt that that was in great jeopardy here in America. And as I look at young people and young children, I feel this responsibility that we have to engage in this battle of ideas so that we can pass this great America on to the next generation. And I’m encouraged and invigorated to continue to do that, Jay.
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Yeah, it’s said that a wise man will plant seeds for a tree. knowing that he’ll never sit under its shade with his grandchildren.
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Wow. Well, I think that that’s what we’re called to do. And we stand on the shoulders of many before us. You mentioned our military. There are those that have given the last full measure of devotion that did not have children or grandchildren because they sacrificed for our country. And so we have a responsibility on that. But before we went to break, you mentioned capitalism. And I mentioned the difference between capitalism and cronyism. I guess we were talking about that during break is that our young people have been taught that capitalism is bad. But the free exchange of goods and services between two people. without any coercion, that is capitalism. So for example, if you come up with an idea, say the iPhone, and people perceive that it brings value to them, and they’re willing to trade their hard-earned dollars for that, But then there’s a lot of people that think that that’s a value. Then Steve Jobs becomes rich because of that, because people perceive that value. And a lot of people thought about that. And he became rich. I don’t begrudge that at all. I think that that is cool. But what I think young people… don’t like is cronyism. And I don’t like the word crony capitalism as well. I don’t think the two things belong in the same sentence. Cronyism is where big government and big business get in bed together so that they can actually squelch creativity, innovation, the little guy. And I think that’s what young people don’t like is cronyism. In fact, Joe had said that it took him a while to get that difference. But I think if we continue to talk about it, young people will.
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You’re so right. My son would rail again, and he’s a millennial. He would rail against the cronyism that he saw, and he would ascribe that to evil corporations. And I said, well, it’s not just the evil corporation. It’s men within the corporation, but it’s also an evil government or people within the government who are interacting illegally and unconstitutionally. If you think about the definition of fascism, fascism we associate with Nazism, which is a different entity. Nazism stands for National Socialist, which was Hitler’s party. But the government type that Hitler chose was fascism. And fascism allows the corporation to retain its means of production, but it takes all the output from that production to the state and the state then distributes it out that’s fascism and when you talk about cronyism it’s the same thing but in this case the government is taking money from the individuals the taxpayers and funneling that money into corporations For instance, solar panels, electric vehicles, wind farms, wind turbines, green energy, carbon credits. All these things are cronyism, where the government, a government employee, is funneling money that he owns. that the government took from you and me, from the taxpayer, he’s funneling that money into corporations. And those corporations are thriving. And the owners of the corporations are doing extremely well. And then those owners of those corporations then will say, well, hey, it’s no big deal for me to put $100 million in your campaign to get you reelected because I know I’ll make another billion. from this new product that I’m going to run out. So this incestuous self-feeding engine is what has to stop. And my son was right in saying that corporations can abuse the The whole idea of capitalism, of freedom, of the Constitution. And he’s right. So the beauty of the whole concept of our Constitution is to say that the government cannot take money away from a taxpayer and refund all that money into some other pet project that they have, like EVs or wind farms and so forth. So the difference between cronyism and capitalism is the same as the difference between fascism and our constitutional republic. Cronyism is so far, in my opinion, left because it is controlled by a government entity.
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Well, and it comes by different names. When I was on city council, it took me a while to figure this out. And this is actually a term that I’ve now seen from the World Economic Forum. And that is public-private partnerships. And what I realized, though, is many times it was using public money. that would mitigate the risk for private corporations to do the bidding of politicians. And it took me a while to figure that out, but whenever I see the term public-private partnership, I have big concern that this is certainly cronyism. And so that’s something I would recommend that people be careful of. You see it on the local level, the county level, and also the state level. And I think we need to be very careful of that term, public-private partnerships.
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Yeah, you’re right. It sounds good, but in reality, when you look into it, it’s evil and it is wrong. And the net effect of it is that the individual loses more and more of his freedom. And, again, it’s a flow of money from the taxpayer to the government to a chosen corporation.
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Or an NGO. It could also be a nongovernmental organization, as I’ve learned over the years.
SPEAKER 08 :
Yeah, whatever. Right. No, I think your public-private relationship is a misnomer. It’s just like saying…
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uh democratic socialism or something like that well actually those two go together they do these days so jay davidson it always goes way too quickly and you are a fan favorite uh how would you like to wrap this up as we’re looking into this next presidency um hope we get spending under control there’s a lot of challenges but i’m encouraged
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I am, too. My only advice to the Republicans who won in a landslide is don’t get arrogant. Don’t act like the left. Don’t do it. I’m sick and tired of Republicans getting in and then acting like the Democrats that they just booted out by passing their own set of laws and rules and regulations. So do not be arrogant. Be humble. You were elected. You can be unelected. And I warn you that the American public is sick and tired of politicians getting in under one promise and then acting in a different way. So stop making laws. Stop making regulations. Start reducing laws, regulations and taxes. Do what you were elected to do and get off your high horse, folks. We’re all in this mess together. Let’s undo it.
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Jay Davidson, First American State Bank, could not agree more. Thank you. We’ll talk to you next month.
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Thank you, Kim.
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It was. Lots of ladies and good conversation and, you know, a lot of positive energy in the room, but also concern about our state and policy here. But certainly everyone was thrilled to celebrate our 47th president, so… That was fun.
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It was fun. And, yeah, it was bursting at the seams. And so I’ve got to figure out configurations so that I can fit a few more people in there. And if any of you ladies out there want some information about these women’s groups that we have, text me at 720-605-0647 because all are welcome. So, Karen, you and I were talking a little bit last night about incentives and kind of a rededication of both you and I to private property. We talk about it all the time, but I think almost a rededication to protecting these private property rights and how incentives work with that. And you and I have been on this journey really together, I would say.
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Well, I think that’s true, Kim, and it’s trying to understand that. why when there is a problem, first we go to government for solution when we know that the private sector is the better place to find solutions. But then when we engage the government, the government seems to jump to the conclusion that the solution must entail incentives. So when you’re looking at affordable housing programs, bringing affordable and attainable housing to a marketplace, The thought process is you have to incentivize the developer to do the project, and then you end up really burdening the free market, the full consumer, the consumer that’s paying full board, with meeting the financial needs of those agreements. And you and I were talking about, will the landscape of real estate look different with President Trump? And when he was in office previously, he brought to the marketplace what are known as opportunity zones. And they were areas of our country that were blighted, that it was land that wasn’t being developed, that was underutilized, that maybe had been harmed by chemical manufacturing per se. And he did give incentives for developers to go in there and turn those properties into profitable, usable spaces, usable lands, usable buildings. And in that regard, I felt like it was a good use of incentives. So I think it’s a conversation, yes, worth having, but not always jumping to using them for everything. Did any of that make sense?
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It does. And so I think we want to continue to look at this because these incentives, it can quickly morph into public private partnerships. It can morph into government picking winners and losers. So I think I think we need to continue to put our thinking caps on and try to figure out what that free market answer is to all of that. And I know that we’re going to continue to do that. And Karen, I know that you are helping so many people with their dreams of home ownership. and we’re going to stay focused on that as well. But there is inventory, but there’s a lot of things to navigate when buying or selling a home, and so many different personalities. But you had mentioned that you’d received a text message from an agent that you’re working with on a particular property, that it was one of the nicest text messages that you’d received in a long time.
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It was. It exuded kindness, and I think… It reminded me that if we bring kindness to any parts of our lives and out to others, the results are a lot better, and it’s more of a win-win, and it’s not picking winners and losers. It’s looking for solutions. And her message was offering opportunity to my buyer. She represents the seller, and the seller understanding the challenges of the marketplace today and saying, you know what, we would like… your buyers to own our home and we’d like to give you an extension to some of the contingencies in the contract. And that is a rare message to hear in the real estate market. And yet we all want the same thing, which is to be able to sell our home for a fair price and to be able to buy a home for a fair price. And we have the right, I always say we have the right people at the table that want to get this transaction done for all the parties. And it was just a lovely message, and I appreciated it, and I let her know. And she did say, you get more with honey, right?
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Well, that’s true. I’ve always said, well, it’s taken me a while to learn this, but don’t burn a bridge unless you just have to. Certainly always live life with kindness. How can people reach you, Karen Levine, if they want to buy a home, sell a home, want to look at a new build?
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Well, if they’re interested in real estate, anything residential, as you put it, give me a call at 303-877-7516. And if Mark is on the radio today listening, I do owe him a return phone call. So I wanted to let him know I had not forgotten him.
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There you go. And speaking of that, on the radio, somebody left their phone last night as well. So I will certainly send an email out to all the girls. But if you’re listening, reach out to me because it’s highly inconvenient to not have your phone. So again, Karen Levine, 303-877-7516. You and Lauren are going to be in studio next week. Have a great day and keep up the great work.
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Thank you so much. You have a great day as well.
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And welcome back to The Kim Munson Show. Check out our website. That is KimMunson.com. Sign up for our weekly email newsletter. You can email me at Kim at KimMunson.com as well. And thank you to all of you who support us. We’re an independent voice and we search for truth and clarity by looking at these issues through the lens of freedom versus force, force versus freedom. If something’s a good idea, you should not have to force people to do it. And as you know, a nonprofit that I dearly love is the Center for American Values located in Pueblo. Pueblo is known as the home of heroes. And the center is located on the Riverwalk, which I guess a couple of times ago when I was in Pueblo and I was with Yvonne Paez, we actually walked the Riverwalk. Really beautiful. But the center is a very special place and can give us great inspiration as we engage in this battle of ideas that we’re We’re fighting each and every day. The center is nonpartisan and it’s nonpolitical, but they focus on honoring our Medal of Honor recipients and then these great educational programs regarding instilling in us and remembering these values of honor, integrity, and patriotism. So you can get more information by going to AmericanValueCenter.org. That is AmericanValueCenter.org. And let’s see here. Coming in on the text line, this is from Holly. She said, we need to figure out a way to delineate to the public the difference between affordable housing from the government, which means Section 8 housing that you and I are paying for, and housing that is more affordable for people that do not make $200,000 plus a year. Just because someone wants to buy a house when they’re 30 years old doesn’t mean that they might be in a position to do so. They may need to get a better job or earn a higher income before they buy their first house. Not everybody is meant to own a home, but for those that want to buy a home, we want to figure out how, from a free market standpoint, to… have more attainable housing, and that is possible if we get government out of the way. And as I mentioned in the debate that I had with Denver Mayor Mike Johnston, I mentioned this and also on a couple of the Channel 7 interviews that I did, that the National Home Builders Association said that rules and regulations contribute to almost 24% of the cost of a new home. And the Multifamily Council regarding apartments and multifamily units said that rules and regulations cost up to 40% of those particular units. So just think, if we get government out of the way, that then we will have… housing that is much more affordable. So that is a place that we’re going to start with that. And so Joe, I know you’re trying to get our next guest on the line. Do we have that yet or not? Oh, okay. Let me get that for you. So hang in here. And I hate to have some dead air. So tell you what, Joe, why don’t we do this? Let’s go to break and I’ll get that number for you. And we’ll be right back. And hopefully we’ll get our guests on the show because it’s a very important subject. So stay tuned.
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And welcome back to the Kim Munson Show. Be sure and check out our website. That is Kim Munson, M-O-N-S-O-N.com. Sign up for our weekly email newsletter. You can email me at Kim at KimMunson.com as well. Thank you to all of you who support us. We’re an independent voice. We search for truth and clarity by looking at these issues through the lens of freedom versus force, force versus freedom. If something’s a good idea, you should not have to force people to do it. And I did want to mention Lavaca Meat Company. It’s a fabulous product and it is a premium product, but it certainly is the steakhouse experience at home. And as we’re coming into thinking about our shopping for Christmas and Hanukkah, a beautiful gift for family, friends, employees would be to have one of their great boxes delivered to their home for Christmas as a Christmas gift. So check out Lavaca Meat Company. They are located at Nevada and Maine in Old Littleton, but also check out their website. That’s lavacameatcompany.com. I need to make sure that I have that right. So just Lavaca Meat Company and you should be able to find it. Very pleased to have on the line with me, Michelle Exner. And she is a senior advisor of Parents Defending Education. And super interesting, she served as active duty Marine officer for seven years. Michelle Exner, welcome to the show. Thanks so much for having me on, Kim. Well, and thank you for your service, for my freedom. And one of the other nonprofits that I totally support on the show is the USMC Memorial Foundation. And the actual Marine Memorial, not the one depicting Iwo Jima in Washington, D.C., but the actual Marine Memorial is right here in Colorado in Golden. And so I just, I so thank you, and I have such a love for our military and our Marines. And people can get more information about what’s going on with the remodel there by going to usmcmemorialfoundation.org. So I wanted to get that plug in, Michelle.
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Oh, I didn’t know.
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So I appreciate the plug as well. I’m going to have to check it out. Absolutely. And they are doing something. They’re working on raising money for the remodel. And people can buy a brick that will be on their pathways of service honoring their military service of their loved ones or themselves. But it’s a beautiful gift. And, yeah, check it out. And you can get all that information at usmcmemorialfoundation.org. But Michelle Exner, this subject that this was an article that you had in the Washington Examiner is really important. And I haven’t been going to a lot of graduations. I did go to one recently and this happened and I just about fell over. And it’s this land and labor acknowledgements at the beginning of graduation ceremonies or different things that schools are doing. So for people that don’t know what’s going on, explain this.
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Yeah. So a land acknowledgement is a statement that school boards or school districts or schools have adopted or graduations as the ones that you that you attended that have adopted to make a declaration that the land that they’re sitting on, that the school is on, that that is has had been inhabited and belongs to a native tribe. And the same thing with the labor acknowledgement, except it talks about indigenous and slaves that had worked on this land. So instead of just inserting those things in a history class, right, so the children and students can learn the facts, these progressive paid activists, because I think that’s what they are, have decided to insert these stories. statements or declarations during formal school functions. And to me, what might seem like not a big deal, I think it goes much deeper and it’s actually incredibly problematic because then the message that you’re sending out, this is not, this land is not America’s land. It belongs to that tribe, right? So the message that they’re sending is Americans at some point had done something wrong to take this land away. And now somehow children and Americans in general should feel guilt over that, right? It’s almost as our land is not ours. And I think that’s incredibly toxic, especially when you’re communicating these messages to young, influential children.
SPEAKER 17 :
Well, and so how do you match this up? Certainly the Indians, and of course, and also the whole language thing. I remember that it used to be that Native Americans were called Indians, but then it was moved to Native Americans. I think language is so important because in changing those words, then it implies that they were here first.
SPEAKER 04 :
it fits into this narrative so this has been a long time i think in getting to this point michelle yeah absolutely and and like i said i think the history right the facts i think that’s absolutely something that that children in school should be learning but i think nations all around the world have similar stories right this is how nations were built this is nothing new this is There’s nothing unique to America. And so I think that the message that these schools are sending, and that’s why I wrote in my op-ed, that there really is almost teaching this hatred of our country, this kind of sense that you should feel guilt. And again, these students are sitting there, right? They’re impressionable. They’re young. They’re consuming this information from teachers. And that’s forming their opinions, right, and their beliefs. And I, you know, I think it’s wrong. I think that the founding of America has long been established as July 4th, 1776. It’s why we all come together to celebrate that great day and our great country. And so I think what we’re seeing now is… is, again, this urge from certain progressive teachers and district officials that want to incorporate this in schools. And I just don’t think it’s the right forum.
SPEAKER 17 :
So a couple of things. We do need to acknowledge that the Indians, for example, the Trail of Tears is certainly extremely tragic. And so how would you address that first? I guess that’s my first question. How should we address that?
SPEAKER 04 :
But, you know, when I went to school, you know, and that was not the age of myself, but it was in the 90s, right, that I went through grade school. It was northern New Jersey and low-income community. And I thought that when, you know, and I remember when I went through school, it was facts. It was this is what happened. And so I think what you’re saying, the stories that happened, I think those have, of course, a forum to be taught in classrooms. That’s certainly not what I’m, you know, arguing against. So I think it’s the presentation of information, if that makes sense, right? I think the declaration before school board meetings or before, you know, either graduation, I think those – I think the forum matters, right? I think where – If this is happening in schools, if this is happening with history books, if this is happening in lessons that teachers are incorporating in curriculum, again, not with any opinions being inserted, but just a presentation of facts. then I don’t think anyone would have a problem with it. So the issue that I’m bringing up is how this is being presented. And it’s almost to kind of ignite a guilt in some of these kids of where they live. And I think to kind of bring it out broader, I think, you know, I think you see it also with the protests we’ve seen, the anti-Israel protests we’ve seen on college campuses, where… where it’s almost like the paradigm, right, that the students are looking at the world through are either oppressors versus oppressed. And so whatever category these countries fall on, then either, again, from the perspective of these students, they’re either evil or they’re the good people, right? And things are far too complex to put it in this neat little two boxes. And so I think, you know, not to get away from our topic, but I really think that they’re linked Um, and, and it’s, and it’s, it just, it’s toxic, right? Especially when you think about these, these kids are the future generation of, of America. And I don’t think instilling this guilt or hatred for how we came to be right. And again, you know, our story is not, there are, there are, there are low points, right? There’s, I think as, as every country that has kind of, um, you know, grown and become a nation, similar stories of there are dark spots in our history, right? And absolutely, children, students should be learning about those. Those are important to understand our history. And so, but I think, again, where you’re presenting this information, how you’re presenting this information absolutely matters.
SPEAKER 17 :
Well, and there’s no conversation about this. So you go to a meeting, you’re sitting there, a graduation or a school board meeting, you’re sitting there and these declarations are made and then there’s no conversation. As you mentioned, it’s kind of the how and the where. There’s no conversation about it. It’s just a continual indoctrination of our children to not understand And it focuses on the negatives, and we all have negatives in our history. But the thing that’s unique about America is that we’re founded on this idea that all men are created equal with these rights from God of life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness. And so I think, Michelle, we can present this to our kids and say, yes, this happened. The Trail of Tears happened. But we have this ideal, which is unique throughout all of history, that goes back to July 1776. But when they make declarations, then you can’t stand up at that point in time and say, wait, wait, wait, let’s have a conversation about it. They make the declaration, and then you move on. And it leaves a terrible feeling in my stomach.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah, I think. I think I couldn’t agree more with what you just said, right? That a declaration is now a statement. You’re presenting this as a statement of fact. It is not a forum where these are complex issues, right? Our history is complex of how we arrived here. Our story is complex. And so instead of discussing that, right, discussing the nuance and the details and having a conversation about it, it’s someone, and again, in this case, people that are in charge, right? Like students are looking at them as people that are in positions of authority that are now pushing these opinions on students, right? Without any, there’s any room for conversation about it or discussion. And I think, again, a graduation is not really even an opportunity to do that, right? You’re just a captive audience. But even in a class, I’m sure that there’s a lot of students that came up that would be apprehensive because they would be worried about the backlash that might happen from either their peers or their teachers themselves if they did try to engage in a conversation about facts surrounding our history, right? And so I think, again, I think most parents would be in agreeance here that there’s a way to present those facts that come across as as objective and as not just people that want to push their opinions on children.
SPEAKER 17 :
Michelle Exner, you’re a mom. What is our solution? What can we do about this?
SPEAKER 04 :
You know, I think there’s nothing that can replace just being engaged. Right. I think, you know, even myself in 2020, like our kids were young. They were actually kindergarten, first grade. So as you can imagine, remote learning, not really not much learning happening at all. Right. But, you know, I guess if there was any benefit to it happening at the beginning of their school, you know, the beginning of their school commencing. was that it really made me wake up, right? I wasn’t complacent anymore. Anything that they would come up, whether it was a list of figures that they can pick out to do for a project. And I saw that, well, this is kind of, you know, it’s definitely partisan and slanted of who’s on this list, right? Why are there no Republican presidents, but there are a list of Democrats? And so now I’m Now I’m tuning in right now. And I’m also another thing is I’m not afraid to speak up. Right. And I think that hopefully what’s happened over the past four years, that there’s a lot of parents that feel exactly the same way, that they’re not afraid to speak up and say, hey, I don’t think this is right. I’m not comfortable with this. Why isn’t this more balanced? And again, that’s that. I don’t want the overwhelming to be consolation. conservative, just because those are my views. I just want balance. I want neutrality in the classroom. And I guess when I ask for that, I don’t know why it’s so difficult, right? And it should be a goal and objective that I think most of us should have. And hopefully, I think we’re at a breaking point, especially when we’ve seen as a country what’s transpired on these college campuses. And frankly, the election, I think, was a wake-up call for a to live in a partisan world where you know, you’re canceled or you can’t even have a discussion about things you might disagree on because one side just thinks through the overwhelming opinion of the country. And that’s just not the case. It’s a split country with differing opinions. And so, again, for me, you know, going back to your original question, what parents can do is absolutely stay engaged. Read everything your child brings home, every form, every document, everything that has to do with their curriculum. And I’ll have conversations with them. It’s, you know, ours are a little a couple years older now. And it’s frankly, it’s enlightening how much they’re willing to share. Right. Maybe that’ll end when they’re in high school. I don’t know. But at the moment, I’m enjoying the fact that they’re that they’re oversharing everything they’re learning. And they’re at the point where they see something that seems off. they’re they’re saying it right and i think that’s that’s good that’s that you know i want to get that information and again i’m comfortable enough to bring it up to either the principal or teacher in a very professional way right i don’t i know that their job is hard i know that it’s difficult and i don’t want to make it any more difficult but i also have a responsibility to make sure that my my children are learning what they should be learning right That’s my number one priority.
SPEAKER 17 :
I totally agree. Staying engaged with your children is very, very important. Instead of saying, did you have a good day in school? I think the open-ended questions would be, what did you talk about today at school? What did you find really interesting today at school? Those open-ended questions I think are super important and that’s where you can start to get that information. I really think that we should move back to paper and pencils and chalkboards, because what we’ve seen out here in Colorado, Michelle, is that as kids are using portals to get into different curriculum, that it can actually take them to dark places. And parents don’t know that. So it is so important to be engaged. But I think that parents should have all curriculum available to them so that they can engage in that. And if that is not occurring in your school, then certainly need to be having these conversations that you’re having. So I wanted to mention one other thing, because these declarations, they talk about stolen lands, but also they talk about slavery. And one of our listeners just had texted me. He says, we cannot make it right. We can only go forward peacefully. Each generation is responsible for what their government did at that time. And I think that is important. We acknowledge that there are imperfections in this American idea. but those that want to tear down america want to use those imperfections to to tear us down today and again we need to realize this ideal that we have but when kids i talk about slavery which um you know is is a blight upon uh our founding however slavery was prevalent throughout the world and the fact that that america would go to a civil you know have a civil war where Hundreds of thousands of people died. To answer this question, could one man be the property of another? The answer is no. So there’s that ideal. But we have slavery today in sex trafficking, labor trafficking. So many of these people that have come illegally across the border. perhaps hoping for a better life, are now in a kind of slavery today. So if these young people want to be serious about slavery, let’s take a look at that. Or let’s take a look at what’s happening in China with the Uyghurs. I think that we could move the conversation that way. Don’t you, Michelle?
SPEAKER 04 :
Oh, absolutely. There’s so much happening, so much awful things happening, whether it’s in our own country, even with the human trafficking, as you mentioned, and abroad, right? We saw it happening in Afghanistan, and I believe Iraq had a recent article as well about the oppression of women, right? Nothing that compares even remotely close to the complaints that we hear from some folks here. that I don’t think I’ve had an opportunity to deploy to Iraq. I’ve sat with women, right? It was in 2009, but I imagine that some of the same struggles exist today. I had an opportunity to sit in their kitchens and have tea with them and talk to them. And so I think you’re absolutely right that these things exist and we should care about them. But Americans of this generation, we can’t right? There’s nothing that we can do to repair what happened in the past, right? And I think Putting the impression on our children or almost that burden that they must do something about it, it’s absolutely crushing, right? It’s stressful. And we can only control what we can control, right? We can absolutely point to the things that are happening right now, bring attention to them, right? Draw needed attention. And so, yeah, hopefully that’s a good way forward that we can all coalesce around.
SPEAKER 17 :
Okay. Well, Michelle, you’re doing important work. Give us a little bit more information about Parents Defending Education, the website, so that people can check that out. And just let us know, you know, what are all the things that you’re working on at Parents Defending Education?
SPEAKER 04 :
Absolutely. Yeah. So we’d love for your listeners if they want to learn more about this, which they should. We are doing, not to be biased, but very crucial work, right? I think education is the most important, really the most important topic in our country, right? When you think about that, we’re training this generation of young people to go forth and learn. you know, be the next generation that continues to push America forward. And so our website is defendinged.org. We are always looking at different issues. I think right now it would be, if I was going to summarize them for you, it would be, of course, the issue we just discussed. It would be parental exclusion policies that we’ve seen. So essentially school districts that are intentionally keeping information from parents. So if a child shows up at school, says they want to be called by a different gender or a different gender, then there’s no requirement to tell the family. We’re also looking at foreign funding in school. We have a report that showed that over the past decade, the Chinese Communist Party has given about $18 million to our K-12 schools. That’s very concerning, especially when you consider that China is our top geopolitical adversary. So we’re raising attention there. And affinity groups, DEI, so all of that race and gender charge curriculum, right, that is being infused in schools, we’re paying attention to that. And a lot of what we push out comes from parents themselves, right, concerned parents in the community, concerned parents in the community that are
SPEAKER 17 :
whoops, I think we’re, Michelle, I think we’re losing you, but.
SPEAKER 04 :
Oh, yeah, concerns, yep, sorry about that, concerned parents in the community that are feeding that information to us and we’re looking at it And we’re exposing it. Right. I think sunlight is the best disinfectant. Right. I think if people know about it, whether that is parents themselves, they’re more aware that it’s happening. Right. And it’s happening in other communities, perhaps not your own. And I think that’s what it really gives people strength. Right. To, again, speak out and say, hey, I don’t think that’s right. And so hopefully, you know, our objective is to create change and take all anything that doesn’t have to do with education. We want it out of classrooms, right? Neutral learning environments that really shift their focus back to learning and academics where they should be.
SPEAKER 17 :
Absolutely. So, Michelle Exner, thank you so much. And she is a senior advisor with Parents Defending Education. Keep up the great work. Thank you so much. Have a great day. You as well. And these discussions are so important and they happen because of our sponsors. And if you’ve been injured, be sure and reach out to John Boson and Boson Law because prompt action is super important.
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SPEAKER 15 :
In my research, I went to the Seminole, Florida Indian Museum, okay, a while ago, and I found out that for every two American Indians that died on the Trail of Tears, There was one American military person who died in that trip, okay? The reason for the trip was that American Indians would come out of the areas in Florida and they would butcher the people who were settlers in Florida. The concept of private property ownership was very different among a group of people who really didn’t have… written language, who didn’t have the development of civilization as we know it. Because if you could scalp, remove eyes, etc., all that stuff, and feel justified for doing that, thinking that because you just traveled an area or lived in an area and moved from one area to the other is a different concept of private property ownership. And the development of civilization has to include all the benefits that the American Indians have out of the development of all this time and all this effort. So I think we are skewed into creating these victims and not addressing bigger issues, okay?
SPEAKER 17 :
Super interesting. And yes, so this is why this conversation, Action Ann, is so important, is because just making these land acknowledgements or these labor acknowledgements without all of the context is important. And it’s certainly Trail of Tears. I think I need to do some more research on it as well. But I think we do need to research it. Instead of just having this declaration, everybody sits there, no context, as you just indicated here. And the other thing is, is the implication is, is that the American Indians were all one, that it was a kumbaya moment between all the tribes. That’s not true, correct, Action Ann?
SPEAKER 15 :
Absolutely. There were some very vicious, brutal, unbelievably uncivilized Indians, okay? And Andrew Jackson had to arrest that terrorism on the settlers, okay? Because if an Indian just claims this whole state is ours, it’s a different concept of private property rights.
SPEAKER 17 :
Absolutely. Hey, Ann, I really appreciate your clarification on that, and you do amazing research. So thank you for sharing that with us.
SPEAKER 15 :
Okay, thank you.
SPEAKER 17 :
Okay. And we also have Ron on the line. Ron, what is on your radar?
SPEAKER 09 :
To contradict the lady that was just on, with all due respect, that Grant stole all their land. If you’ve read the book that Bill O’Reilly wrote, and he does extensive research, they were manipulated and swindled out of basically all their land. So who wouldn’t be upset or pissed? So…
SPEAKER 17 :
that’s where my view is so ron and thank you what what do you what should we do about this um what’s the solution in 2024 america for example you know ben and jerry which is very progressive the ice cream company uh apparently their factory is on stolen land and they’ve been making or and i have that in air quotes uh been making statements on that but they’re not dismantling their factory um so how How should we address this in 2024, in your opinion?
SPEAKER 09 :
I believe you should give it back to them. They were here, and it’s stolen land, and they put them on reservations. And I’ve been there in the reservations, and they live like a third-world country, and it’s terrible. You know, they just keep trying to take and take and take. And, you know, I think it’s wrong. And I think they should have what they have and quit taking it.
SPEAKER 17 :
So we’re getting close to out of time. So what would that mean? Would people that have their homes here in 2024 Colorado be required to move out of their homes and that land given back to Indians? How could that work?
SPEAKER 09 :
Well, to the victor go the spoils. And, you know, they lost. but they were given their land, and now you can’t just because you want to take it over, you just can’t take it now. They were given their land, and that’s theirs, and you can’t now just take it because you want it. It doesn’t work that way. But again, to the spoils go the victor, but They were given what they were given. Now you can’t take it back.
SPEAKER 17 :
Right. So you’re saying the land that they have now, that cannot be taken. So that’s what you’re saying in 2024 America, right? Yes. Okay, I agree. I agree with that. Ron, thank you. I really appreciate that. Thank you, Jeff. This is such an important discussion, and we’ve got to talk about it, my friends. That’s what is so important about that. But, yeah, certainly I agree with… in 2024 America not taking the land that is of Indian reservations and also we need to address what you’ve said is that there are conditions on Indian reservations that this all needs to be addressed and hopefully we can address it through more freedom. And so important discussions. I really appreciate all your text messages coming in as well. And we’ll try to address some of these tomorrow because you guys are, you all are so informed and smart and I appreciate sharing all of that information. So our quote for the end of the show is from Marcus Aurelius. He says, adapt yourself to the life you have been given and truly love the people with whom destiny has surrounded you. So, my friends, today be grateful, read great books, think good thoughts, listen to beautiful music, communicate and listen well, live honestly and authentically, strive for high ideals, and like Superman, stand for truth, justice, and the American way. My friends, you are not alone. God bless you. God bless America. And we’ll talk again tomorrow.
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