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And welcome back to The Kim Munson Show. We’re going to do take two on this. We got some technical difficulties today. I am broadcasting from home, and the snow and the temperatures are, I think, maybe making things interesting. So we’re going to stay focused on this if need be. I’ve got this great little… Thank you so much for joining us. And thank you to the team. That’s producer Joe, Luke, Rachel, Zach, Echo, Charlie, Mike, Teresa, and all the people here at Crawford Broadcasting. Happy Monday, Joe, and it is Inauguration Day.
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I am so excited for today.
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It is a big day in our history. We’ve got a lot of headlines. We’ve got a lot of things to talk about. Check out the website. Sign up for our weekly email newsletter. You can email me at Kim at KimMunza.com. Thank you to all of you who support us. And you can listen to us on all KLZ 560 platforms. That’s KLZ 560 AM, 100.7 FM, the KLZ website, and the KLZ app. And we are on live 6 to 8 AM. Monday through Friday, the first hour is rebroadcast 1 to 2 in the afternoon, second hour 10 to 11 at night. We dissect these issues and search for truth and clarity by looking at these issues through this lens of freedom versus force, force versus freedom. If something’s a good idea, you should not have to force people to do it. And it is Inauguration Day, so the word of the day that I chose was hope. Because I think so many people have great hope that we will reclaim our country and reclaim our freedoms. And with the inauguration of Donald Trump. And so hope, number one, could be an intransitive verb to cherish a desire with anticipation to want something to happen or to be true. And it is also trust. Secondly, and as a transitive verb, it is to desire with expectation of obtainment or fulfillment, to expect with confidence. And then as a noun, a desire accompanied by an expectation of or belief in fulfillment. or someone or something on which hopes are centered and something desired or hoped for. So trust or reliance. So our word of the day is hope, H-O-P-E. Your challenge is to use that in a sentence today. And our quote of the day, I thought it was appropriate to go to Donald Trump, who was born in 1946. He was our 45th president. He’s a politician, media personality and businessman. And he will be our 47th president as well. And he said this. He said, together, we will have one great American future. Our potential is unlimited. We will be one people under one God saluting one American flag. And so let’s get into some of these headlines. We’re going to be talking with Scott Whatley in just a few moments. He is another KLZ radio host. He hosts Haystack Help Radio, which is and then also Sportsman of Colorado. So we’ll talk with him in just a little bit. He was he was in Washington, D.C. when they moved the inauguration in. inside because of the temperatures there, he decided to come home. So I just checked it a little while ago and the temperature in Washington, D.C. was, let’s see, it was 21 degrees, but it felt like 12 degrees. Let’s see where we’re at right now. It’s still 21 and a little chilly there. So they’ve moved the inauguration inside. And apparently there’s many, many people there. I have a number of friends that are in Washington, D.C., and I guess some of the different congressmen are going to have watch parties. And so it’ll be interesting to see what happens today with all of that. But today is Inauguration Day and a great, great quote. by Donald Trump. So several things. First of all, I think this is super important. And Joe Biden, again, these are little things, I think, to try to disrespect Inauguration Day. And that was with the death of Jimmy Carter. Biden had decreed that all U.S. flags would be flown at half staff. for 30 days, which would go past the inauguration. And I think it’s another try to thumb their nose at the American people and the American idea. And so I love this. This is from the Raleigh News and Observer. Speaker Johnson will defy the White House order of flying the US flags at half staff for inauguration day. And he has ordered that those flags will be flying proudly and fervently. And he said on January 20th, the flags of the Capitol Hill will fly at full staff to celebrate our country coming together behind the inauguration of our 47th president, Donald Trump. The flags will be lowered back to have staff the following day to continue honoring President Jimmy Carter. That seems like the best way to make all of that happen. Additionally, Trump will is planning on issuing maybe near 100 executive orders. And CNN says that they’ve outlined some of these. This is from an article from CNN and Trump. So right off the bat, I think some of the first ones will be regarding immigration and the border, energy policy. And so those are going to be some exciting things to watch to see what’s going to happen today. And then I want to talk with Scott Watley about this. This just came across the wire maybe even 30 minutes ago. And Biden has this is from USA Today, has preemptively pardoned Fauci, Cheney and Milley to protect against Trump inquiries, as well as I think Adam Schiff was in that list, as well as Liz Cheney of Wyoming, Adam Kinzinger of Illinois. and Adam Schiff regarding the J6 committee. So that is super interesting. But let’s welcome Scott Watley on the show. He is the host of Haystack Help Radio, which airs Monday through Friday at noon to 1 on all KLC 560 platforms. And then also Sportsman of Colorado is broadcast on Saturdays 1 to 2 in the afternoon. Scott Watley, welcome.
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Kim, good morning. How are you?
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It is. I’m doing well. It’s January 20th. You had gotten to Washington, D.C., and because of the temperatures, they’ve moved the inauguration inside. So you came back home, right?
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Yes, ma’am. I took off on Friday, actually, about 9.30. And about halfway through the flight, my phone started getting some text messages and different things of the event had been moved inside. And so landed about 3.30 and left. you know, got around a little bit. And I tell you, Kim, it was just, you know, just starting out with the flight and the folks that were on it. I’ve never seen so much red in all my life. Oh, my gosh. Different things. I mean, it was really, you know, even just in the airport. I mean, it was just a, I don’t know, just a different feeling in the air, I guess, so to speak. And, boy, just people being so nice and courteous. But getting to D.C., And it was really, really packed, you know, the airport and different things like that. But then, you know, it did not take them long to start, you know, tearing down different things and platforms of all the things, just the big changes. And this is throwing thousands upon thousands of people. You think about all the people that we both know from here that we’re going with. families and then different, you know, Congress people, dignitaries, different people that now the last reports I heard Sunday before I left were about 600 people would be able to attend inside the rotunda. And so needless to say that that negated a lot of tickets people had.
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Yeah, and that’s disappointing for everyone that has traveled back there, I understand. It seems like it makes sense. Now, I saw a text message from, or not a text message, a post by James Woods recently. who is a Hollywood actor, and I think his house may have burned in this last fire, but he is very supportive of Donald Trump, and he said he was concerned about Donald Trump and Melania walking in the parade today, and it hadn’t crossed my mind about that parade. Do you know any details about that at all, Scott?
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Well, I talked to some friends. I actually had a friend of mine that was in the Secret Service for many, many years and had kind of even hooked me up with some rides while I was there to get me around D.C. So, you know, in talking to them, security was a big issue. And while this gentleman, you know, is retired from Secret Service, still had friends there. And I’m not sure. I mean, you look at today, this morning, D.C. And I think the parade here in Denver is still going on. And look at the temperatures we’re having. So there are a lot of people and there was a lot of talk about that just with just normal folks, you know, that, man, this just doesn’t seem right, you know, for. But you look at all the different things out there from and what they even they came out with press releases on them. animals that were their horse you know cops on horses different things like that and you know the ice and snow so i get it because i mean it they did get some bad weather there but it is interesting um you know to move it inside and i think reagan was the last time they had done that right in like 1985 or something so yeah it’s gonna it was interesting and and like i say disappointing for a lot of people but you certainly want everyone safe and needless to say the president and uh And I’ll tell you, that was a big topic just right there in itself of just, man, we got to keep President Trump protected these next four years. I mean, you look at these things. And one report I saw late yesterday was about 200 executive orders he was going to be doing. So, I mean, he’s going to be causing some havoc on a lot of different lines to a lot of people. So it’s going to be interesting. So. You know, but it’s just so refreshing, Kim. And I think we’ve all, you know, and I was sitting with someone on the plane that wasn’t a huge Trump fan, but, you know, kind of thought about the way I’ve always said, hey, I’m not looking for him to be my pastor. He’s not perfect. He’s not the savior of the world. But I do believe he loves America. And I believe he is going to do all he can to protect us. It’s just nice to have somebody that You know, I mean, you look at – I saw him and Lee Greenwood came out with a Bible, you know, together. I mean, that’s pretty neat, you know. I mean, you look at just the respect for the military, our police. I mean, everything. It’s just – and you look at just the events of this morning, like you say, Biden pardoning Fauci and all the different things like that. It’s just nice to have – it seems like just a refreshing – you know, we’re getting our country back, right?
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Well, and I was very concerned if the O’Biden-Harris administration had four more years with the things that they’d done. I was very concerned about what would happen for our country, Scott.
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Yeah, no doubt. You look at, you know, I think even talking to some people that were there in the military. I mean, man, they’re thrilled to have him back. And, you know, just all the appointments he’s made. I mean, this does seem like an all-star cast, so to speak, of his different choices for all these different positions. It’s not going to happen overnight, but I tell you, I think by the time sun sets tonight, even here, it is going to be a different country for us. And I just hope everybody will pray for President Trump and leadership and for his protection. And boy, that somehow we can get this back to, you know, respectable America again. And, you know, and looking at Trump and you look at all these world leaders and different things like that. I mean, I think we now have the respect of everyone again because they know him and know he’s not messing around with things.
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He’s not going to mess around, and the inauguration is scheduled to be at 10 a.m. our time here in the Mountain Time Zone. So I was at the inauguration in 2016, Scott, and you mentioned being on the airplane, and it was very curious. Yes. Because there were a number, I thought everybody was going back to Washington, D.C. because we were excited about Donald Trump’s inauguration. And there were a number of women that were on the plane with me. And they didn’t seem quite as excited about it. It was taking me a little while to connect the dots. And then when we got to baggage claim, many of these women were pulling off boxes and boxes of things that had been shipped there. And I’m thinking about that. I’m like, oh, that is so curious. Well, that was the remember all of these many women that were there to protest Donald Trump’s inauguration with all the weird hats and the T-shirts. And it was very well organized. And I that was that was my first inkling that there there was just this really organized effort that was going to try to undermine his presidency. And again, it took me a little while. You know how you’re sometimes looking at something, Scott, and you’re like, that is so curious. What what is that? I know it took me it took me a little while to connect the dots, but you didn’t see any of that this this time around, huh?
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No. Now, you know, there were some protests, and they all seemed to be pretty peaceful, you know, around the Capitol and all, you know, later Friday and Saturday. You know, different groups, but all of it seemed to be pretty peaceful and all. So, like I say, it’s going to be interesting. You know, just praying today will go smooth and no tragic events of any kind. I think it’s going to be a great, great day. And, you know, it’s going to be exciting just to see. I mean, you look back when he won the first time. I was thinking going back yesterday, am I more surprised that he won the first time or this time? You know, when you look, Kim, and you reflect back at everything he has gone through with them trying to tear him down, I mean, from the court case, the assassination attempts, I mean, All the different things. This is the most resilient guy. Dana White with UFC spoke yesterday at the rally, and he said he’s the most resilient guy he’s ever met in his life. And I think you have to agree with that. It’s unbelievable.
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Well, it really is unbelievable. And I’ve been getting text messages. People have a lot of great hope for today. And to your point, I think prayers are very important for safety, for Trump and all of them. And his family, but also for guidance that we keep our our focus where it needs to be. And then, Scott, we have work to do in Colorado. What I also see is that I think that we’re going to. see doubling down on a lot of the radical activist stuff that has been going on in Colorado at the local, the county, and the state level. And so we are really going to have to do our part to reclaim our state and our country as well. I was talking with a number of girls recently, and they had said that Trump – Trump has basically cracked the door open for us to reclaim our country. But each of us has something that we need to do to reclaim it as well. So choose that thing you’re most concerned about and become involved in it, become an expert in it, and work to get things turned around so we can reclaim our state and our country. It is an exciting day, but I look at it with we have much work to do because there’s been much damage that has been done to our state and our country, Scott.
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Oh, absolutely. And like you said, my shows are not really political, but you know what? I’m telling you, I’ve learned over these last couple of years, no matter where we are and maybe what we do, we’re all going to have to jump in this fight and support our good politicians here and you know, local law enforcement, different things like that, and just to show them our support. And we’re going to have to get involved in every level here and get Colorado back.
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Yep, we are. We’re going to need to reclaim Colorado. So Scott Whatley, thank you so much for giving us a boots-on-the-ground view of what was going on in Washington, D.C. And again, he is the host of Haystack Help Radio. It airs Monday through Friday, noon to 1 p.m., and also Sportsman of Colorado, which Saturdays, 1 to 2 p.m., on all KLC 560 platforms. Scott, have a great day, and it is a new day for America. So thank you so much.
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Kim, it’s been an honor to be with you. And, yes, it is. It is a great day. So let’s go. Make America great again.
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Welcome back to The Kim Munson Show. Be sure and check out our website. That is KimMunson, M-O-N-S-O-N.com. Sign up for our weekly email newsletter. You can email me at Kim at KimMunson.com as well. Thank you to all of you who support us. We’re an independent voice and we search for truth and clarity by looking at these issues through the lens of freedom versus force, force versus freedom. If something’s a good idea, you shouldn’t have to force people to do it. I do thank the Laramie Energy for their gold sponsorship of the show. It’s reliable. Efficient, affordable, and abundant energy from natural gas, oil, coal that powers our lives, fuels our hopes and dreams. And it actually, natural gas helps us to change our own personal climates. When it is negative one outside, it’s nice to be able to have my personal climate changed. change to a point where it is warm and comfortable. So again, thank you to Laramie Energy for their goal sponsorship of the show. Please to have on the line with me, Dr. Brian Joondepth. He is an author at the American Thinker, Rasmussen Reports, and he’s written a really interesting piece saying that perhaps January 20th today is our new Independence Day. Dr. Joondepth, welcome to the show.
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Hey, good morning, Kim.
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And it’s here. And, boy, it’s already a big news day.
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Yeah. It’s exciting. This is something that a year ago I thought wouldn’t happen. I was hoping, but, you know, as we got closer, it seemed more and more likely, and now it seems like it really is happening.
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It is, and certainly praying to get to him inaugurated. The man has done so much, and as Scott Watley said in the previous segment, he has been so resilient, and we can take such great hope in that, I think, Dr. June Depp.
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Oh, absolutely. It’s It’s really a new day for America. So, so much will change. We can reverse many of the bad policies and practices over the past four years, and things are going to change. He’s going to hit the ground running. He’s serious this time. It’s from his words and actions to even his photo, his presidential photo for the inauguration. Eight years ago, he was smiling and looking happy. Now he’s serious. This is his mugshot photo. And he’s going to hit the ground running and take no prisoners and go scorched earth on stuff. He’s learned a lot from his first term. His first term, he tried to play nice with the Republican establishment and put people in place to please the establishment. And he’s not doing it this time. He knows the lay of the land. He knows the forces arrayed against him. And he’s got a very different cabinet than he did eight years ago. And he’s serious. That’s what it shows me.
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Well, and in your piece, you had written this, and it’s tyranny begins gradually before escalating rapidly. And we really have been moving towards more and more tyranny. And even here in Colorado, we’ve got our own set of challenges here with this radical activists, extremists that have taken over the legislature and the governor’s mansion. We have work to do right here in Colorado. But I am very excited about at the federal level that there will be a lot of things done to try to roll back this tyranny that is is really has been, I think, moving into more speed under the Biden Harris administration.
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Exactly. I mean, this this has picked up speed slowly with. George W. Bush and the Patriot Act and loss of civil liberties and creating a surveillance state. And I think for at least, I give him the benefit of the doubt, good intentions, but Obama weaponized it. He turned all that against the American people and weaponized the government for his purposes. Trump’s first term was a speed bump. He tried to stop it, but that weaponized government was used against Trump to stop him. The Russian collusion nonsense, the complete fabrication, was used to really put a leash on his first term. Couldn’t do anything with Russia. How does that limit foreign policy when you’re accused of colluding with a major world power? How can you engage in any type of foreign relations? Because it’s viewed under that lens. And then Biden just, not Biden, but his people. It’s clear Biden wasn’t in charge. Speaker Mike Johnson let the cat out of the bag with an interview that Biden didn’t even know what was in the executive orders he was signing. They just put papers in front of him and he signed it. There needs to be an accounting for this. This is truly an insurrection of people taking over the government that were not elected and didn’t have authority to do so. I don’t know if it was Blinken or Jake Sullivan or Jill Biden or Hunter Biden or Obama or his people uh but it’s disgraceful I think we’re going to get to the bottom of it I was disappointed this morning to to learn of preemptive pardons to to Milley and Fauci and the January 6th gang um but that’s fine there can still be hearings and disclosure and they can be shamed into oblivion um There are a lot of bad people that haven’t been appropriately punished for their crimes, but their reputation is forever stained. So I think Trump will handle that.
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So this is so I took I saw that come across the news line regarding these pardons. And it’s it’s quite a few. I know that probably the mainstream media, Dr. June depth is going to spin this, that that Trump said that he was going to be coming after some of some of these different people. And that so they’re going to spin it that Biden did these preemptive pardons because Trump said he was going after his political enemies. And so that’s why he did these preemptive pardons. And at least that’s what I think is going to happen with the mainstream media.
SPEAKER 06 :
Yeah, well, that’s baloney. What are they being pardoned for? If they did nothing wrong, what do they have to worry about? They’re only being pardoned because they did something to be pardoned for. What is it? Well, that remains to be seen. And I think we know what they did, but I don’t know the legalities of this. This is going to be a deep dive for the constitutional lawyers out there of can you give preemptive pardons? What if it turned out somebody murdered somebody? Can you give a preemptive pardon to cover that? That’s a get-out-of-jail-free card, and I don’t think that’s the intention of presidential pardons. You’re pardoned for something you did. You’re convicted of a crime and you’re pardoned. If Trump pardons January 6th prisoners or Biden pardons other criminals, well, they’ve been convicted. There’s something to pardon them for. I don’t know the constitutionality of these preemptive pardons. I have a feeling that’s going to be challenged and the Supreme Court may have to ultimately weigh in on that.
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Well, and so I did a quick search on that, too, because I was wondering about that. And this is from Newsweek. It says, the Supreme Court case of Ex parte Garland in 1866 sets down that the power of pardon conferred by the Constitution upon the president is unlimited except in the cases of impeachment. It extends to every office known to the law and may be exercised at any time after its commission, either before legal proceedings are taken or during their pendency, or after conviction or judgment. But there has not even been anything happen with that. But I did find it was interesting. They said that in 74, Gerald Ford granted Richard Nixon a full, free, and absolute pardon. George Bush in 1992 pardoned Casper Weinberger. Abraham Lincoln issued preemptive pardons in the Civil War, and Jimmy Carter preemptively pardoned Vietnam draft dodgers in 1977. So it has been used, but not very often, I don’t think, and I don’t think to the scope necessarily. of what was announced this morning with Fauci, General Milley, Liz Cheney, Adam Schiff, Kinzinger. I think Fauci is probably the most amazing one to me, Dr. June Depp.
SPEAKER 06 :
Oh, absolutely. Well, I mean, if the Supreme Court ruled almost 200 years ago, fine, they can overturn it. The Supreme Court overturned Roe v. Wade. So who knows? I think it’s It would be smart to pursue that case and bring it to the current court and see if that’s the intent of the Constitution to pardon for crimes not even identified. At the least, there can be congressional hearings and really a public airing of this and put the stain on these people of full disclosure on what a travesty this was. and their names will—history will remember them poorly, and maybe that’s the best punishment. Fauci’s 80 years old, so, you know, putting him in prison or whatever, so what? But then again, I’ll leave it to the lawyers. If these are conspiracies and RICO statutes come into play, I don’t know. I don’t know if fraud— There’s a workaround on this. I don’t know. So I’ll leave it to the legal system. But at a minimum, they’re going to be held to account, at least in the court of public opinion.
SPEAKER 12 :
Well, and I think that’s really important. And of course, we need to speak truth into all of this as well. You said in your piece that lawfare will end with Donald Trump. And I certainly, I hope that that is the case and it will be the case. But I also want to make sure that justice is served. But this is not going to be what happened to Donald Trump with just fabricated accusations going through. I still can’t believe that there was the raid on Mar-a-Lago. As you look back at some of these things, it’s almost surreal, Dr. June Depp, to think about what Donald Trump went through and withstood to get to this point January 20th today. It’s really astounding.
SPEAKER 06 :
Absolutely. This is banana republic stuff that he’s been through. And in his first term, he never pursued political enemies. You can call people names and make fun of them, but that’s not criminally prosecuting them and taking away their constitutional rights. Trump never did that, and I think he’s very careful about that. I would not expect lawfare from him, but I would expect an accountability. And everybody’s equal. under the law, and justice needs to be served to those that committed crimes. If you didn’t do anything wrong, I don’t think Trump’s going after people for policy differences. That’s political, and that’s a campaign, but not prosecuting them for that. Trump was prosecuted over policy and personality and what he represented, and it was personal. So I don’t think Trump will pursue it in that way but uh yes there needs to be a reckoning uh the system was badly skewed against him and his supporters and there needs to be an accountability and reckoning so this doesn’t happen again because this is not uh this is not america this is banana republic stuff
SPEAKER 12 :
Yes. And so we need to get this turned around. And Donald Trump, I think, intends to do that. And we each have to step up and do our part as well. So become engaged in an issue that is important to you. If every American takes one thing that they care deeply about… and works to get government put back into the proper role at the local, the county, the state, and the national level. I think we’ve got a short period of time here, Dr. June Depp, to make this happen, and so we can’t be just sitting around and talking about it. We need to be taking action on what’s occurring here in our country.
SPEAKER 06 :
You’re very correct. Trump has two years, maybe four, but certainly two years where he has – the assistance of Congress, midterm elections, things can go the other way. Hopefully not. But he’s got two years and I think he’s going to hit the ground running. He’s got 200 executive orders ready to sign. He signed a little over 200 executive orders his entire term. So this is day one. I hate to see ruling by executive order. It should be done by Congress. That’s the proper path. But some things need to happen. There’s going to be ICE raids and secure the border and get rid of the criminal illegals and handle that. And a lot of this stuff just needs to end. And that’s, as Obama said, with having a phone and a pen, that’s the quickest way to get things done. So that will be the start. And I think he’s got a good ally in Mike Johnson in the House, and legislation is needed to codify these things.
SPEAKER 12 :
Absolutely. So we’re going to continue the discussion with Dr. Brian June Depp. His piece is at American Thinker. It says January 20th, a new Independence Day. And these are important discussions and they happen because of our sponsors. So for everything mortgages, reach out to Lorne Levy.
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Welcome back to The Kim Munson Show. Be sure and check out our website. That is KimMunson, M-O-N-S-O-N.com. Sign up for our weekly email newsletter. You can email me at Kim at KimMunson.com as well. Thank you to all of you who support us. We’re an independent voice. We search for truth and clarity by looking at these issues through the lens of freedom versus force, force versus freedom. If something’s a good idea, you should not have to force people to do it. And two nonprofits that I dearly love and support on the show is the USMC Memorial Foundation, which uh they are raising money for the remodel of the marine memorial which is right here the official marine memorials right here in colorado out at six and colfax it was dedicated in 1977 and very exciting what they’re going to be doing with that and it’s so important that we remember and honor those that have given their lives or been willing to give their lives for our freedom. And so more information there, usmcmemorialfoundation.org. And then this Thursday night, January 23rd in Pueblo at the Center for American Values, they will be having an On Values presentation featuring Robert Chica, who was a crewman on the USS Pueblo, which was taken captive during the Vietnam War by the North Koreans and held for a year. and so more information about that let them know that if you’re planning on attending and that is at the americanvaluecenter.org on the line with me is dr brian june depth we’ve been talking about donald trump’s inauguration so it is a new day for america and a a new independence day because we have seen this march of tyranny in our lives with the government out of control weaponized really not only against donald trump but against the people But let’s change gears a little bit. He’s written another very interesting piece in American Thinker. When did changing weather become climate change? And Dr. June depth, the climate change has been used, I think, basically to try to bankrupt our country. The green and the Green New Deal is the green that’s been going into politicians, bureaucrats and interested parties pockets. And that’s why our documentary, A Climate Conversation, is so important. You can see that at climateconversation.com. It’s the project of Walt Johnson. So this is a very important piece as well, because Biden has had disseminated billions of dollars before he’s left office to all of these interested parties to push this agenda.
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Absolutely. And it’s more than an agenda. It’s a religion. There’s a Michael Crichton book from 20 plus years ago about the environmental movement. And in the beginning of the book, he had a long chapter or two on how the climate movement has replaced religion. It has all the tenants of a religion with repentance and a savior and, and God and everything else. And that’s, that’s the religion of the left is, is climate. And What it ends up for society is it’s about money and control. It’s a way to control everybody’s activities. If CO2 is a pollutant, then all human activities generate CO2. We breathe. So that can be regulated and controlled. And everything from electric vehicles to alternative energy to 15-minute cities, all these things. And protecting the environment is a good thing, of course. but forcing things that don’t work, technologies that are not ready for prime time, it’s foolish. And then the excuses we get of blaming all types of weather on climate change. Yeah, it’s cold now. It’s one degree this morning, or minus one, according to my thermometer. And yeah, that’s not a first in Colorado. It’s been colder. It’s been warmer. It’s called weather. And the folly of blaming everything on climate change when it’s been far colder throughout the Earth’s history. We’ve had ice ages. We had Chicago and the Great Lakes buried under a mile-thick sheet of ice 10,000 years ago. That’s not that long. Four and a half billion year history of the Earth 10 to 100,000 years ago was a lot of nothing. That was a blink of an eye. So Yes, the weather changes, the climate changes, that’s normal. To ascribe human activity as the cause of it, that’s a means of control. And that’s where the problem comes in.
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Well, and Biden, the Biden-Harris administration on their way out has sent out billions of dollars to all of these interested parties. And it’s that’s really irresponsible. This debt that we have is unsustainable. And it sure seems like the Biden, the Biden-Harris administration has put a whole bunch of marbles in front of Donald Trump today. and his administration as we’re getting to inauguration today.
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It’ll be interesting what of that spending can be reversed. Just because he’s said it so doesn’t mean it’s – the check hasn’t been written in cash. And I think the Office of Management and Budget and other agencies under Trump’s control a few hours from now can stop that, and they can put a pause on it and review it and whatever they want. I don’t know the process for all that, but I think Trump is going to stymie as much of that as he can, and that’s necessary. Yes, they’re creating roadblocks and all the things they’re trying to do, but just because Biden says it’s so. Biden yesterday said the Equal Rights Amendment, he deemed it passed, and it’s not. He can declare anything he wants, but it’s… There’s a new sheriff in town and things are going to change and new rules. And I think there will be a hold on a lot of these monies and other things. And if Biden can, by executive order, spend the money, Trump can stop it. So I’m hopeful for that, at least.
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That’s very encouraging as well. And so we’ve got a couple of minutes left. What would you say that you really want to make sure that people know today as we’re moving into this new era for America?
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I think it’s a time of optimism. It’s a chance for peace around the world to get out of these conflicts that are dragging us ever closer to World War III. And World War III could entail nuclear weapons, which would basically end civilization as we know it. It’s a chance to reverse course on that. It’s a chance to reverse course on government control and out-of-control spending. We have a $36 trillion debt. We’re spending a trillion dollars a year on interest payment on the debt. It’s the biggest federal expenditure. These things cannot go on. As Herbert Stein said, anything that can’t go on forever eventually stops, and that includes our economy. And it’s important to give Trump a chance. It’s not going to turn around by tomorrow. It’s a process. Be supportive of it. Be optimistic. And hold local officials to task. The immigration problem is a huge mess. And we have local officials that are resisting it. The Denver mayor is… It’s a Tiananmen Square moment. Well, if you harbor… illegal aliens, that’s a federal crime. And I think the Trump administration is very serious about arresting anybody. It doesn’t matter if they’re a mayor or a governor, if they’re impeding federal law and harboring criminal aliens. So that needs to be supported because that’s the only way these things get fixed. And be patient and be optimistic.
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Absolutely. Well, thank you, Dr. Brian Joondepth. And again, you can find these pieces at American Thinker. And yes, I have a lot of optimism for our country, for our next generations. And we need to roll up our sleeves and go to work as well. So, Dr. Joondepth, well, thank you so much.
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Thank you. And I’ll put in a final plug for a piece I have in American Thinker this morning entitled, Has the Storm Arrived? So that’s a summary of our conversation this morning.
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I’ll check it out. That’s awesome. And our quote for the end of the show is from Donald Trump. He said, the most basic duty of government is to defend the lives of its own citizens. Any government that fails to do so is a government unworthy to lead. So today, be grateful, read great books, think good thoughts, listen to beautiful music, communicate and listen well, live honestly and authentically, strive for high ideals, and like Superman, stand for truth, justice, and the American way. My friends, you are not alone. God bless you. God bless America. Stay tuned for hour number two.
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Happy Inauguration Day to you, too, Kim.
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It’s a big day. We’re getting close. So the inauguration will be at 10 a.m. Mountain Time. And so just less than three hours away. And it’s a new dawn for our country. And we do have work to do to to reclaim this country. As we talked with Dr. Brian June Depp in the first hour, Trump probably has basically two years. That’s when we’ll have the next election. And we’ve got a lot of work to do between now and then. So check out the website. That’s KimMunson.com. Sign up for our weekly email newsletter. It goes out on Sundays with the upcoming guests for the week as well as our most recent essays. You can email me at Kim at KimMunson.com. Thank you to all of you who support us. We are an independent voice. We search for truth and clarity by looking at these issues. Through the lens of freedom versus force, force versus freedom, if something’s a good idea, you should not have to force people to do it. Do check out the website for last Friday’s broadcast. Listener Sandra Lull had a list of things to have on hand to be prepared for an emergency. And I think that so many of – I heard – From so many of you, you wanted that list. That is in the show summary. The way that you get to that is you go to Kim Munson dot com and then you will see it’ll pull up the some of our events. You’ll get down to the most recent show. And you’ll click on that image. And when you click on that image, then you will be able to pull up that whole list. And so that is down under there. We’ve got our featured articles, and then we get to show episodes. And you should be able to check that out there. And again, that’s a great list, and we all need to start to work on that as well. Let’s see here. A couple of things. It is Inauguration Day, and it looks like Trump is going to issue a number of executive orders, and the inauguration is moved inside, which I know is disappointing to many people, but it seems like that probably makes sense in light of how cold it is there in Washington, D.C., And Biden, we talked a little bit about this. This is astounding. Just a few hours ago, President Joe Biden, this is from USA Today, issued a blanket preemptive pardons. They said for potential targets of President-elect Donald Trump. Again, USA Today leans to the mainstream media and media. basically tries to influence through these little words people’s opinions on things. But this is USA Today. President Joe Biden on Monday issued blanket preemptive pardons for potential targets of President-elect Donald Trump in an unprecedented move to shield some of the incoming president’s top foes from criminal prosecution. Those issued pardons include General Mark Milley, former chairman of the Chiefs of Staff, Anthony Fauci, former director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, and people from the J6 committee, and those would include Liz Cheney, Adam Kinsinger, and Adam Schiff. And so this is pretty unprecedented. And if they had done nothing wrong, then they should not need a pardon. And so stay tuned on that. That’s going to be super interesting as well. On the local level, the Colorado Union of Taxpayers, we will be issuing our first email today regarding our positions on bills that are scheduled for hearing for this week. And we there’s two things that are happening on Thursday, the 23rd. One is the event down at the Center for American Values in Pueblo. And that is honoring the USS Pueblo, which was taken captive. in the Vietnam War by the North Koreans. The crew was held captive for a year. And Robert Chica, who was one of those prisoners, will be presenting on Thursday at their On Values presentation. More information on that, go to AmericanValuesCenter.org. And if you’re going to attend, just let them know. The other thing, and I can’t go to that because I will be at the Colorado Union of Taxpayers legislative kickoff event this Thursday. Tickets are $10, and we’d love to have you join us as well. It’s only $25, and you will receive the email that we send out to the legislators and governor each Monday. And in that, though, we will have a bill of the day. And so while we’re celebrating this inauguration, which is great. We here in Colorado have those that want to push tyranny on us at work. And so Senate Bill 25045, and how that works is Senate Bill, then it’ll have the year, it’s 25 and 045. It’s a healthcare payment system analysis concerning the analysis of a statewide universal healthcare payment system. The Colorado government has been doing such a crackerjack job on so many things, I don’t think that they need to be into the statewide universal health care system. But we will keep an eye on that. But the people, the prime sponsors that have brought this forward is Senator Sonia Waukesha Lewis, Senator Janice Marchman, Representative Karen McCormick, and Representative Andrew Boesnecker. And so we’ll need to keep an eye on that. That’s the bill of the day. We’re going to keep you informed on that. And so, again, join us at coloradotaxpayer.org. We would greatly appreciate it. And we happen to work with great people here at the Kim Munson Show. And I’m talking with Roger Mangan with the Roger Mangan State Farm Insurance Team. And, Roger, people, I think they’re confused about insurance, that everything’s expensive, who to talk to. Any suggestions on how to shop for insurance?
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You know, I’d like to share something with you. We did an analysis between, let me see, seven insurance companies, State Farm included. And they were farmers, AAA, Allstate, Liberty Mutual, Costco, and Nationwide. The prices for a home at $560,000, and a car at, this is actually two cars, an Acura and a Sienna. These are annual prices. And then an umbrella liability policy. So on the high end of those four policies, home two cars and an umbrella liability policy the range was as low as 3700 for the same coverages as high as 8 400 wow so it’s like when you buy insurance it’s very difficult to go out and get all those comparisons and do a good job analyzing and organizing the concept on some kind of a spreadsheet which, by the way, we would be glad to do for you if you would give us permission. I want to highlight a little bit about the finding here. Turned out that Farmers was the highest, and Liberty Mutual at this point was the lowest, $3,700 versus $8,400. The other companies like AAA, they were at 5,200. Allstate was at 5,200. State Farm was at 4,700. Nationwide was at 4,500. The two companies that were lower than all the rest of them, Liberty Mutual and Costco, Liberty Mutual was at $3,700, actually $1,000 a year less than State Farm. The reason for that is they do not have agents. So if you want an agent, you’re going to pay more because the agent gets a renewal commission for the services he provides to you. Costco was actually a little higher than Liberty Mutual. so there’s a lot of ways to shop for it but you want to make sure your situation is probably unique do you really have the correct amount of coverage for your family at this time in your life you have children that drive those children are learning to drive if they have an accident do you have an umbrella liability policy that steps in behind the liability you have in your cars people you know insurance is getting more expensive why should i buy an umbrella I would say you should definitely have. It’s a must because we have a lot of people out there. Do you listen to lawyers advertise on how they’re going to help you get more money out of a lawsuit? And they do. They get a lot of money out of a lawsuit. And if you have base limits, and base today is different than it was 10 years ago, of course, base today would be $250,000 slash $500,000 slash $100,000. If you don’t know what that means, again, call us. We’ll walk you through it. But if you get sued for $250,000, great, your policy is going to pay it. If you get sued for $450,000, All they’re going to pay is $250,000, and you’re out $200,000. An umbrella steps in. Umbrellas are maybe $200 a year. So you really, and I’m not admonishing you, but take the time and pay attention because the devil is in the details if you just are looking for the lowest price. Then you can go anywhere. You don’t need an agent. But if you really want to protect your family in a very positive and sequential way, we can help you do that.
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So, Roger, what is that number for a complimentary appointment?
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Yeah, complimentary analysis would be 303-795-8855. And again, we would need your permission, need some information from you. We would give you a quote, and then you would say, hey, I’m interested in Allstate or I’m interested in Costco. We can help you put that together.
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And again, that number is 303-795-8855. Like a good neighbor, the Roger Mangan team is there.
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And welcome back to The Kim Munson Show. Be sure and check out our website. That is Kim Munson, M-O-N-S-O-N.com. Sign up for our weekly email newsletter. You can email me at Kim at KimMunson.com as well. Thank you to all of you who support us. We’re an independent voice. We search for truth and clarity by looking at these issues through the lens of freedom versus force, force versus freedom. If something’s a good idea, you should not have to force people to do it. And I do thank Laramie Energy for their gold sponsorship of the show because it is a reliable, efficient, affordable, and abundant energy that powers our lives, fuels our hopes and dreams, and empowers us to change our own personal climates to be warm when it’s cold outside and cool in the summer. And so I do really appreciate them. On the line with me is Randall O’Toole. You know him. You can find him at TI.org. He’s an expert in urban planning and transportation, and he had a really important piece that he recently published at TI.org, Will L.A. Finally Learn Its Lesson? Randall O’Toole, welcome to the show.
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Hi, glad to be here.
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And it’s Inauguration Day, which is a big deal here for America. But we have been watching these fires in L.A., which is unbelievable to me, the devastation that has occurred. And it didn’t just happen overnight, did it?
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Well, you know, it may seem unbelievable, and yet it’s entirely predictable that Colorado went through the Marshall Fire, which burned a lot of homes in Superior and Louisville. And that fire took place because wildlands that were very flammable were right next to houses that were built that were very dense. The houses were like 10 to 20 feet apart from one another. They were so dense that if one house caught fire, the radiant heat from that fire would ignite all of its neighbors. And that’s what happened. They all burned down. And this is exactly what has happened in California. California believes in density. They don’t believe in letting people live at low densities, you know, like one house per acre or one house per half acre. And so they put… houses on 5,000 square foot lots right next to flammable wild lands, and the wild lands caught fire, which is entirely predictable, and one of the houses next to the wild lands caught fire, which is entirely predictable because nobody made any attempts to make their houses out of non-flammable materials. I shouldn’t say nobody. A lot of people didn’t make the attempt. And once one house caught fire, thousands of others were doomed to go down. And there were a few houses that didn’t burn because a few people did make an attempt to build their houses of non-flammable materials. Tom Hanks’ house, for example, survived even though all his neighbors burned. And if you look at the pictures of his house, it was designed specifically to not burn. And if people had all built their homes that way, then a lot more houses, probably all of them, would have survived. But they didn’t.
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Well, and another problem with this, and I had not ever really known the definition of the word chaparral, but the preservation of hundreds of thousands of these acres of chaparral, which is primarily in Southern California, it’s kind of an underbrush, right? And that was just, it’s like tender for a fire, yes?
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Well, it’s very flammable, but chaparral is not like the kind of pine forest you see around Colorado. A lot of people have said, oh, if only they had done thinnings, if only they had done prescribed burnings. Well, chaparral doesn’t work that way. Pine forests can respond to thinnings and prescribed burnings and be a little bit less flammable if you do that. Chaparral can actually become more flammable if you do prescribed burnings because unlike pine forests, which in pre-Columbian times… normally burned about every 30 years. Chaparral forests normally burned only about every 150 years. And so the forests were kind of resistant to fire. And when you do burnings, and there’s a lot of species that live in chaparral forests, when you do burnings, then the species that benefit from frequent fires are encouraged. And the species that are resistant to fire are discouraged. And so when you do frequent burnings, you end up making the forest more flammable and more susceptible to big fires. And that’s exactly what’s happened. The chaparral forests in California are all susceptible to fires, but because they’ve done some burnings and things, they’ve made them even more susceptible. And that shows that people can know a little too much for their own good. They know, oh, we need to do some fires, but that is not true for Chaparral. It’s true only for Ponderosa Pine Forest, like in Colorado.
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So what do you think the solution is to build homes that are less prone to burn? Or what is the solution on all this?
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That is a solution. You know, if people say, what government official, what government agency is responsible for my house burning down? Was it the state for not providing the water to the firemen? Was it the city for not hiring enough firemen to protect my house? Was it the National Park Service for not doing enough thinnings and prescribed burnings in the chaparral? They want to blame somebody, and I say there is somebody to blame, and they just need to look in the mirror. They need to realize that they built their house in such a way that it makes it extremely susceptible to fire. And then, you know, you can look at Google Earth or Google satellite photos and Google Street View photos of these houses that burned down. A lot of them have eucalyptus trees, which are very flammable, right in their yards, often right up against their houses. The houses, because they’re on small lots, are built close to one another, and they often have a lot of vegetation between the houses. So when one house catches fire, the rest of them are going to go if they’re not made out of concrete. So if you want to find out who’s to blame, look in the mirror. It’s really a question of instead of trying to expect a government to save us, we need to save ourselves. We need to build our houses or redesign our houses so that they’re a lot less susceptible to fire.
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What about all the rules and regulations and coming in on the text line solution would be low density housing, but they don’t want low density housing because low density would mean that people probably own their property and have a single family home. And we see this in Colorado. There’s this push to more and more density, adding accessory dwelling units onto properties. This just is increasing the density. And it’s because of government policy. And then you see, I saw a headline that Gavin Newsom said that he was going to reduce some of the regulations that are in place for new building in the area because I think that was a roadblock to people rebuilding their homes. So what about this whole public policy on this moving to more and more density? That’s a problem.
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Well, in this case, the problem isn’t high-density housing like five-story apartment buildings or high-rise apartments. The problem is that the lots are simply too small Bend, Oregon, for example, has designed a buffer around itself of homes on two and three acre lots so that this buffer will protect the more denser homes that are on You know, one quarter acre or one eighth of an acre lot in the city itself. If you have that buffer, then the fire is not going to reach them. If you don’t have that buffer, then the fire will reach the national forest and then immediately burn down the houses next to the national forest. So in California, the lots have already been laid out. You’re not going to go to people and say, okay, your $4 million home built burned down, but we’re going to force you to merge your lot with your neighbor’s lots, and then only one out of four of you are going to get to have a house. That’s just not going to happen. The other thing that could happen is they could take a national park or a state park and subdivide it into two-acre, one-acre lots and then sell those lots to people to provide a buffer. However, that’s probably not going to happen either politically. So what Gavin Newsom is saying is that it takes a long time to get a permit to build a house. It can take six years to get a house built in California. You buy the land. You go out. You try to get the permit to build. You have to deal with all the neighbors who complain about the design of your house. Then you finally get the permit. You find a contractor to build. You get it built. And then you have to get a permit to move in. You have to have inspections all along the way to make sure that everything’s done right. And so it can take six or eight years to get a house built. and you’ve already got a shortage of housing in Southern California. Newsom is saying, we want to get these houses built as soon as we can so that people can get back into their homes. And I’m saying, okay, so you’re going to have them build a whole bunch more wooden houses that are going to be susceptible to fire, and the next time you have a dry winter and Santa Ana winds, they’re all going to burn down again. I think there should be something saying, people should build houses that protect themselves from fire. And I don’t know whether you do that as a government regulation or you do it as an insurance policy. You say if you want your house insured, you’re going to have to build it in a way that the insurance company knows you’re not going to burn it down the next time there’s a Santa Ana wind.
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So the other day on our text line, a listener said that instead of government being in charge of all these permitting permits for building a house that actually mortgage companies and insurance companies. should be involved in that because they’re the ones that really have skin in the game on that. What do you think about moving that away from government creating the permits for all of this and have insurance companies and mortgage companies drive that? I thought that was pretty creative. What do you think?
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Well, that sounds like a good idea, except for the fact that not all houses have mortgages and not all houses are covered by insurance. If you have a mortgage, then the bank is going to insist that you be covered by insurance. And if you’re covered by insurance, the bank doesn’t care whether your house burns down because they know the insurance will cover it. So that is the insurance company’s business to determine that you’ve done a good job of taking care of your house. And until recently, there haven’t been enough wildland houses burned down for insurance companies to care. Only like 1% of all homes that burn in this country burn because of a wildland fire as opposed to kids playing with matches or poor electrical wiring or something like that. And so the insurance companies haven’t cared either. What’s happened in California is that the state passed a law that made it really difficult for insurance companies to raise their rates. And so the insurance company said, well, we know that these houses are really susceptible to fire, and we would like to raise our rates so that we can do something about it. One thing they can do is offer people discounts if they protect their homes from fire. Another thing they can do is they can say, all right, you’ve got a $3 million house here. If there’s a fire coming your way, we’ll send somebody out and pour fire retardant all over your house to make sure it doesn’t burn down. That’s what the fire insurance companies have done in Oregon. But in California, the problem is these Santa Ana winds move the fire so fast that you wouldn’t have a chance to go in there and use fire retardant. So the insurance companies are becoming a little more proactive. They’re moving out of California because this law makes it impossible for them to function. But in other states, they are being a little more proactive, and yet it’s still – I don’t think it’s enough by itself. The problem is that you’re only as safe as your neighbor’s house. So if you do everything you can to make your house fireproof, but your neighbor’s house is only 10 feet away from yours and they build a house of wood and they put, you know, they don’t screen. The problem is you’re not allowed to have wooden roofs, but you’re allowed to have vents that aren’t screened. And so firebrands can get in these vents and burn your house in the attic, and then your house totally burns down. So then your house is flaming, you know, huge flames because the attic caught fire, and that next-door neighbor’s house who put the vents in is still susceptible to fire from the radiant heat from your house. And… So it’s not just a matter of what you do with your house. It’s a matter of what your neighbor does with their house as well. And for that reason, you might need a little more than just what the insurance companies are going to do.
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Okay. Super interesting to talk about this with Randall O’Toole. You can find his essays and articles at ti.org. And we’re going to continue the discussion about these fires and what we can do and a number of things coming in on the text line as well. and these are really important discussions. And I tell you, for a real treat, though, be sure and check out Lavaca Meat Company. They truly are the steakhouse experience at home. They’re a premium product, and they’re located at the corner of Nevada and Maine in Old Littleton.
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And welcome back to The Kim Munson Show. Check out our website. That is KimMunson.com. Sign up for our weekly email newsletter. You can email me at Kim at KimMunson.com as well. Thank you to all of you who support us. We’re an independent voice and we search for truth and clarity by looking at these issues through the lens of freedom versus force, force versus freedom. If something’s a good idea, you should not have to force people to do it. And check out the Center for American Values website. That is AmericanValuesCenter.org. This Thursday night, January 23rd, they’re going to have a really important event, an online, excuse me, an On Values event. And it will be featuring Bob Chica, who was a crewman on the USS Pueblo, which was the Pueblo was taken captive in the Vietnam War by the North Koreans. And the crew was held for over a year. So it’s going to be a really informative event. It doesn’t cost anything, but let them know that you’re coming and you can check everything out at AmericanValueCenter.org. And so really important. Talking with Randall O’Toole, he is an expert in transportation as well as urban planning and development. And we’re talking about these fires in Southern California. And I had seen this come across the wire last week. was mandated to be cleared of much underbrush, but Jenner shared a picture of California public lands where it’s all overgrown, and so Jenner was blaming forest management or management of the public property for part of the fire. So what would you say to that, Randall O’Toole?
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Well, that is an incongruity. But here’s something. It’s not like this is the first time this has happened. Back in 1961, there was a fire very close to the Pacific Palisades fire, and it very quickly grew up into a huge firestorm. Now, it only burned about 500 homes, but every firefighter in Los Angeles was called up to duty to try to fight this fire, and they were unable to keep it going as long as the Santa Ana winds were going. And they were unable to suppress it as long as the Santa Ana winds were going. And after the fire, the fire department made a movie called Design for Disaster, saying that this whole thing of building homes on small lots next to wild lands, especially in steep, hilly territory, with wooden roofs was a design for disaster and that there was no way they were going to be able to put out these homes. This was more than 60 years ago. The city of Los Angeles responded by passing an ordinance saying you couldn’t use wooden roofs anymore. But that was the only thing they did. They didn’t change the small lots. They didn’t change the management of the wildlands. They could have said, okay, let’s just sell these wildlands to developers to build on large lots to provide a buffer strip. They didn’t do that. so they changed one thing, and they thought, well, this will solve the problem. Well, it didn’t. About every 10 years since 1961, there’s been another big fire that’s burned 500 homes, 1,000 homes, 1,600 homes, and so this fire is entirely predictable, and although people were supposed to keep the brush cleared from their lots, and yes, the state or the city or the county or whoever owned the wildlands wasn’t required to keep the brush cleared there. That seems like an incongruity. The reality is we’ve known these fires were coming for at least 60 years, longer than that, actually, because the first fires that burned in Pacific Palisades were in 1916, so it’s been over 100 years, and yet people were still building homes out of wood with inadequate screening events, with inadequate soffits under their eaves, with a lot of other things that made them susceptible to fire and just said, oh, I never expected it to reach my home, even though I live two blocks away from the wild land because all my neighbors will protect me. No, they haven’t protected their homes either. And so they’re going to go and yours is going to go. And that’s exactly what happened.
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So one of our listeners texted and said the story of the three little pigs is a good one for fire-resistant homes. I’m concerned regarding – I think it makes a lot of sense to start to use public lands and let people buy property there and start to really plan accordingly to try to prevent these fires. We have a lot of risk here in Colorado, obviously. And, of course, people are having higher and higher – insurance costs to ensure their homes. And one of our listeners said that, for example, Chaffey County is 80% public land. That sure seems like that there’s a lot of land there that we could do some planning to prevent these devastation of lives and properties from fires. But There’s this hands-off approach to public lands, unfortunately, Randall O’Toole, and to have the political will to do something like that and run up against all the environmentalists and the not in my backyard, that would change things, yes?
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Well, California has gone through the same thing as Colorado, the Boulder area in particular. The Marshall Fire that burned hundreds of homes in Superior and Louisville was started on open spaces that were bought by Boulder to preserve them from development. Now, Boulder is right up against a national forest. So it’s up against a million acres of public lands, and yet it felt like it had to buy 100,000 acres of land surrounding it to keep development from taking place. It was essentially a green belt around the city that forced the city to become denser instead of having low-density development, which low-density development would have been an excellent buffer strip against fires. Okay, so California did the same thing. Um, after the 1961 fire, yes, they passed an ordinance saying you couldn’t have wooden roofs and they also required homeowners to clear brush from their property. Um, But at the same time, you had the state buying lands and making them into state parks. You had the federal government buying lands and making it into the Santa Monica National Recreation Area. You had the state creating something called the Santa Monica Mountains Conservancy, which went out and bought lands and made it into parks. All of this was an intentional green belt around Los Angeles to force the city to grow denser rather than to allow the city to grow at low densities around the edges. And that made it much more susceptible to fire. And we’ve seen this in California as well as Colorado before. The Santa Rosa fires a few years ago were exactly the same thing. You had wildlands butted up against houses on 50 by 100 lots. One of the houses catch fire and they all go down. You had a city that was near Sacramento called Paradise. It was a lot of mobile homes and other homes on small lots right next to a national forest. When one of those homes go, they all go. And a lot of people died in that because the city had closed down one of the exit routes from – the city, even though the state had said that you’ve got a serious fire hazard, you need to have more exit routes. And instead of having more, they closed one of them down. And so California is making the same mistake over and over again. We all saw the videos of cars that were gridlocked. And so people jumped out of their cars and ran away from the fire. And they had to use a bulldozer to clear the cars out of the way so that the fire trucks could get in. That was because there was a large neighborhood in Pacific Palisades called the Summit that was completely surrounded by wildlands, had one road exiting the neighborhood. And so all the people in that neighborhood probably lost their homes, except a few that were built out of non-flammable materials, and they couldn’t get out because they had only one exit route. That’s the same mistake that Paradise made. It’s the same mistake that Santa Rosa made, the same mistake that Louisville and Superior made.
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Wow. Oh, gosh. This is just, I guess the only other thing that I wanted to hit here is if we have, what about affordability to make these homes fire-resistant? Does it mean that it will be out of reach for people to have their own single-family homes if they made them so fire-resistant?
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Well, fire resistance doesn’t cost much if you build it into it. And if you’ve got an existing home and there’s thousands of existing homes in Los Angeles that are in the path of Santa Ana winds, they didn’t burn this time, but they might burn next time. You could go through and retrofit those homes and it would cost some money. That would mean putting screens on. fine mesh screens on all your vents. It would mean putting in fireproof soffits. It would mean completely re-landscaping the homes, putting five feet of gravel or concrete around the homes instead of having trees and shrubs right up against the homes. Things like that. That would cost some money and it would I suggested it would be cheaper for the city of Los Angeles to pay half those costs. We’ll pay half the cost that it takes to fireproof your home if you’ll do it. It would be cheaper for the city of Los Angeles to pay those costs than it would be to be ready for the next big fire, which is going to happen in 8 to 10 years, since they’ve all been 8 to 10 years apart. So they need to do that. Colorado needs to do that as well. But you’re right. Affordability is an issue. When I say that the homes in Pacific Palisades were $3 and $4 million, I’m not talking about mansions. I’m talking about 2,000-square-foot, three-bedroom homes are $3 million in Pacific Palisades. So it’s not a question of the housing being $3 million. The house that burnt down might have been only a $500,000 house. But the lot is $2.5 million. So the losses aren’t quite as great as people are saying. But at the same time, how are you going to rebuild? And what are you going to do to deal with affordability? Hey, we can kill two birds with one stone. We can take some of those wildlands and sell them to developers and have them build on low-density one-acre lots to provide a buffer around the rest of the city. And by building all those extra new homes… you will have made the region a little bit more affordable. But, of course, they’re not going to want to do that.
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No, of course they’re not going to want to do that. Randall O’Toole, I so appreciate it. And I know that you are retired. I have that in air quotes because you are doing such important pieces at TI.org, and I really do appreciate it regarding these fires in L.A. And keep up the great work, and we’ll talk again very soon.
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All right. Well, thank you very much.
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The golden age begins and Congress is she says it’s a fact that Congress is too slow and cannot be trusted at this point. I think that we need to day one. We need to be rolling back this tyranny that we’ve seen. we’re experiencing under the O’Biden-Harris administration. She says that also that having water storage and fire hydrants would certainly be a good idea in Southern California and here in Colorado as well. She’s absolutely correct. Yvonne has always said you can’t have water conservation if you don’t have water storage. And so good point on that, both Susan and Yvonne. A question from Jenny. If Joe Biden is not competent enough to stand trial for his illegal possession of classified documents in his garage, how can he be cognitive enough to issue executive orders? I think that that is a very good question as well. Let’s see here. This is from Dave. He said that insurance codes, insurance has led the building codes, particularly industrial and commercial, and they have created many construction standards. And we want to make sure that all these insurance, these building codes really make sense that they’re not having interested parties involved. that are trying to influence these building codes. This is a really tight rope to certainly try to walk. So that’s important. Let’s see here. Oh, thank you, Dave. He said we have the best guests for Timely Topics. And next one, this is land is the key to affordability. Absolutely right. Let’s see here. Another listener said the environmentalists have way too much power. We not only as a state, but as a country have to figure out how to take the enormous amount of control that they have away from them as soon as possible. And they’ve really done this. Thank you for that comment. They’ve done this through the whole climate change narrative, saying that we want to make sure that we have clean air and clean water, which we do. We want to be good stewards of our earth. We also want to make sure that we are focusing on human flourishing as well. Those things can coexist together. We’ve seen, I think, from the environmentalists, again, I think more management of the forest is crucially important. Here in Colorado, when I went up to Grand Lake for U.S. Constitution Week, looked at the side of the mountain, all of this beetle kill, just it’s ripe for a forest fire. We can manage this. We can do this. And but the environmentalists have said hands off of all of this. And when we do that, it just sets us up for these these incredible fires. But to Randall’s point, I do think that it is a good idea for us to be proactive with our own properties and encourage our neighbors to be so as well that we don’t have these fires. vegetation around our homes that can go up so quickly in flames. And so there is personal responsibility. There is personal responsibility. Then there is the management, good management of our forests and our wild lands. And then there is opening up all of this public land for development. Not all of it, I should say, not all of it, but certainly much of it. And so I think that’s important. Oh, another good point here. Building codes now contain energy requirements which have nothing to do with safety. Absolutely true. And making building new homes more and more expensive. So let’s see here. Okay, this again is from Susan. She said there was a guy who was trying to put up an indoor soccer field in Brookfield. The fire codes recommended over $1 million of fire suppression system, even though there were big doors that could be opened. The guy never got the soccer field going. We can’t go for the perfect and leave the good behind. She’s absolutely correct on that. So there has to be a good balance on all of that. Let’s see here. It says Trump’s inauguration is forecast to be the coldest in 40 years. And the meme is that Trump is ending global warming on day one of his presidency. Mary, thank you for sharing that as well. So it is Inauguration Day, the 20th of January. I had the great honor to be in Washington, D.C. for his first inauguration. And I was standing there with… thousands and thousands of other Americans. I was standing next to a father who had brought his 17-year-old son. He was a farmer from California because he wanted to experience that historic day. And we are blessed that we have another chance here. Oh, thank you, Connie. She just let me know that Newsmax is reporting that the presidential parade has been canceled. And I think I’m grateful for that because I felt from a security standpoint that there could be just tremendous risk. I wonder if with these cold, cold temperatures, if this is another way that God is protecting Donald Trump and this administration. Yeah. Super interesting on this chain of events. But we have an opportunity here to reclaim our country. We have to work here in Colorado to reclaim Colorado. While that is happening at the federal level, as I highlighted with this bill of the day, they are at work down at the statehouse to create more and more tyranny and a socialized medical system that we’ll get to a point where there will be shortages of medical care. It will be expensive. There will be shortages of doctors, and it is not the proper role of government to be into that particular, that business. So my friends today, we need to pray. We need to pray and we need to take action in our individual lives. Choose one issue that keeps you up at night, become an expert on that, and then become involved from a public policy standpoint. on that and pray for our country and pray for the blessing that we have another chance at reclaiming our country with this. I call this the third founding of our country, what we’re in right now. And so the quote for the end of the show is from Donald Trump. And he said, the most basic duty of government is to defend the lives of its own citizens. Any government that fails to do so is a government unworthy to lead. And my friends today, be grateful, read great books, think good thoughts, listen to beautiful music, communicate and listen well, live honestly and authentically, strive for high ideals, and like Superman, stand for truth, justice, and the American way. My friends, you are not alone. God bless you. God bless America. And this just came in on the text line, Amen, God’s provision. We’ll talk to you tomorrow.
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