Join Kim Munson as she navigates the intricate landscape of political affairs, analyzing current legislation at the Statehouse and examining the themes of freedom versus force. Discover the importance of engaging with the political discourse and challenge yourself to apply ingenuity in solving modern-day issues. With expert insights and historical context, this episode offers a deep dive into essential political discussions.
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I see big danger in as much as we will be giving an unelected bureaucrat the power to make rules about what we inject into our bodies.
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Indeed. Let’s have a conversation. And welcome to the Kim Munson Show. Thank you so much for joining us. You’re each treasured. You’re valued. You have purpose. Today, strive for excellence. Take care of your heart, your soul, your mind, and your body. My friends, we were made for this moment in history. And thank you to the team that I get to work with. That’s Producer Joe, Luke, Rachel, Zach, Echo, Charlie, Mike, Teresa, and all the people here at Crawford Broadcasting. Happy Thursday, Producer Joe. Happy Thursday, Kim. And the girls were over last night and a robust discussion regarding cybersecurity. Super fascinating. And, of course, we imbibed, or I guess you don’t imbibe, so we had the delectable Hooters wings. They have specials on Wednesday. You buy 20 wings, you get an additional 10 for free. And they’re certainly a fan favorite. When I finally got to the table, they were all gone. But great specials Monday through Friday at Hooters restaurants for lunch and for happy hour. There’s five locations, Loveland, Aurora, Lone Tree, Westminster and Colorado Springs. How I got to know them. It’s a very important story about freedom and free markets and capitalism and PBIs, those politicians, bureaucrats and interested parties that want to control things. And you can find that whole story at my website. That is at Kim Munson, M-O-N-S-O-N dot com. another great sponsor of the show is laramie energy and our oil gas and coal industries are under attack because these provide reliable efficient affordable and abundant energy sources and then we are able to power our lives fuel our hopes and dreams that industry is under attack but we’re we’re learning more and more about this whole agenda out there um the biden administration though It is just pushing all kinds of money out on the Green New Deal, which actually the Green New Deal is about the green that’s going into people’s pockets. And it’s cronyism at – it’s on steroids right now. That’s about all that I can say. So that’s why I would recommend – get your brain around this issue and check out a climateconversation.com which is the website for the documentary a climate conversation which is the project of wall johnson and we have been doing these amazing podcasts with um scientists experts in the field and you will learn a lot so be sure and check out a climateconversation.com our word of the day Let me, hopefully I did not erase that. Hold on here. Getting over to our word of the day is ingenuity. And it could be number one, skill or being clever, devising or combining, or it could be an ingenious device or contrivance. So ingenuity. I would say ingenuity is being very creative and tapping into that. So it’s spelled I-N-G-E-N-U-I-T-Y. And your challenge is to use ingenuity in a sentence today. And I find great hope that those with ingenuity and creativity in this new administration will be able to thrive and prosper instead of the cronies of what we saw in the Biden administration. Our quote of the day, I went to Henry Hazlitt because our featured guest in the second hour is Jay Davidson. He’s a fan favorite. He’s a sponsor of the show as well, CEO and founder of First American State Bank. And he had commented on a piece that was in the Wall Street Journal that had referred to Henry Hazlitt’s book, The Road to Serfdom. and of course we’re going through henry hazel’s book with producer joe and producer luke on economics in one lesson but henry hazlitt was born in 1894 he died in 1993. he was an american journalist economist and philosopher known for his advocacy of free markets and classical liberal principles over a career spanning more than seven decades hazlitt wrote extensively on business economics and public policy for prominent publications including the wall street journal The Nation, The American Mercury, Newsweek, and The New York Times. And he is best known for his 1946 book, Economics in One Lesson. And it is a work grounded in the Austrian School of Economics. And this is what he said. He said, for every alleged benefit that the politicians confer upon us, they must necessarily deprive us of something else. So I think that’s pretty important. Again, that’s from Henry Hazlitt. Let’s see. This day in history. 1848, U.S. President James K. Polk triggers a gold rush in 1849 by confirming a gold discovery in California. Wow. In 1862, during the Civil War, the Battle of Coffeyville, the Confederate forces halt Ulysses S. Grant’s Mississippi invasion via Tennessee. 1933, Prohibition ends in the U.S. when the 21st Amendment to the U.S. Constitution is ratified and the 18th Amendment is repealed. This is interesting because we’re coming up on the attack upon Pearl Harbor. But what is amazing regarding Pearl Harbor is that our aircraft carriers were not there because they obviously would have been hit, and that would have changed the dynamics of the war in the Pacific. So 1941, this is two days before we’re attacked, the U.S. aircraft carrier Lexington and five heavy cruisers leave Pearl Harbor. And then in 1964, Captain Roger Dodlin and Captain Roger Dodlin was a very good friend of Drew Dick’s. And Captain Roger Dodlin is awarded the first Medal of Honor of the Vietnam War for successfully repelling a large Viet Cong attack. And Roger passed on just recently. But very good friend of Drew Dix and Drew Dix’s Medal of Honor recipient as well for actions that he took during the Vietnam War. And I don’t think that we quite understand just how special the Center for American Values is, which is located in Pueblo. and the portraits of over 160 of our Medal of Honor recipients, I would highly recommend over Christmas break that you put the kids in the car and go visit the center. It is located on the Arkansas River, on the Riverwalk there of the Arkansas River in Pueblo, and it is really a reverent place. It’s inspiring, and there’s great restaurants around there, so I would recommend that you I recommend you do that. Put the kids in the car and go down to the Center for American Values. If you want more information regarding their hours, check out their website. That is AmericanValueCenter.org. That’s AmericanValueCenter.org. Thank you so much. The first one that I have, this is from Fox News, and it says it’s an appeals court rules that the U.S. can deport illegal immigrants despite local objections, which is a win for the incoming Trump administration. And it says the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals ruling rejected a 2019 local executive order that sought to counter then President Trump’s immigration policies, saying that King County, Washington, violated its contract by prohibiting deportations at King County International Airport, which is also known as Boeing Field. The court ruled that the order was unlawful because it discriminated against ICE and targeted federal operations. In 2019, Trump used Boeing fields to deport illegal migrants from the U.S. and the local county sought to block the president’s removal operations. Says the order prompted ICE to begin using an airport in Yakima, Washington, a much longer drive from ICE’s Northwest Detention Center for the deportation flights. The relocation increased operational costs due to the greater distance from ICE detention facilities to the airport. It also led to increased security concerns. Of course, it would. It says, in response, the legal battle with King County ensued, and the U.S. in 2020 sued the county, alleging that it violated the terms of a World War II era contract that guarantees the federal government’s right to use the airport along with discriminating against ICE. And this ruling was on Friday, the 30th of November. And Ninth Circuit Judge Daniel A. Bress upheld the court’s decision. And in the ruling obtained by Fox News Digital, he wrote that this is not a situation in which King County officials are being conscripted into carrying out federal immigration laws on the federal government’s behalf. Instead, the United States is asking King County, in its capacity as the owner of a public airport facility, to lift a discriminatory prohibition on private parties’ ability to engage in business with the federal government that supports federal immigration efforts, the ruling states. So I think that that’s a pretty big deal. Next thing that I wanted to mention, and we had Brandon Wark on earlier this week regarding this Democrat strategy of Democrats running for office. getting elected and then vacating that seat where a vacancy committee will then come in and make the decision on who will then, a Democrat vacancy committee will determine who will then be seated in either the Senate or the House of Representatives. So this is from Colorado Politics and It says State Representative Iman Jodah announces for State Senate District 29. And that is the seat that’s being vacated by Janet Buckner. Jodah won reelection in her third term in the House in November. She is the first Muslim and Palestinian American elected to the Colorado General Assembly. An Arapahoe County Democrat vacancy committee will choose Buckner’s successor on January 6th. Buckner announced last month that she would step down on January 9th. She won re-election for the seat on November 5th, running unopposed. Joda has a long history with the Buckner family, whom she’s known since she was four. One of Buckner’s daughters has been friends with Joda since elementary school. In 2021, in an interview, Joda told Colorado Politics that her parents came to Colorado from Palestine as immigrants and refugees in 1974. She says she grew up an all-American girl watching Broncos football games and visiting the mountains. But her family’s history was never left behind, and their summers were spent in Palestine. While those summers spent with her grandmother were happy, she also saw what was happening there. So she said Monday that running for the Senate vacancy allows her to expand representation into a larger district. My experience as a state representative allows me to bring solid representation, one in which every voice is heard and valued at the Capitol. She said, I will be unapologetic in advocating for Senate District 29. So stay tuned on that. That’s going to be super interesting. And then the last headline that I’m going to hit right now is this is from Bloomberg. And it says thousands of federal employees land work from home deal ahead of Trump. And it says the Biden administration point he has agreed to lock in hybrid work protections for tens of thousands of Social Security staff, part of a slew of organized labor efforts that complicate President-elect Donald Trump’s efforts to reshape the federal workforce. It says the American Federation of Government Employees and even FDR didn’t think that government employees should have a union. But it’s a union representing 42,000 Social Security Administration workers reached an agreement with the agency last week that will protect telework until 2029 in an updated contract, according to a message to its members viewed by Bloomberg. And we recall where with the meeting with Trump and Biden, Biden said that there will be a smooth transition. But on their way out the door, they are pushing out as much money as they can, making these kinds of contracts, trying to thwart and complicate what the people of America are asking Trump to do, and that is to shrink government. When government gets smaller, the individual gets bigger. And this is Dennis Prager said this. And when a government gets bigger, the individual gets smaller. Well, the American idea is the government should be small. The individual should be big. And so we’re going to go to work. I don’t know quite what it looks like exactly, but we’re going to go to work on Doge, Colorado. And we’re going to work to shrink our government, local, county, and state here in Colorado. And it’s going to be a great citizen effort. And I talked to the girls about it last night, and they were very excited about it. And so stay tuned on that. And we get to do all this because of our sponsors. And Karen Levine is a great friend and a real pro when it comes to buying or selling your home.
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And welcome back to The Kim Munson Show. Be sure and check out our website. That is Kim Munson, M-O-N-S-O-N.com. Sign up for our weekly email newsletter. And you can email me at Kim at KimMunson.com as well. Thank you to all of you who support us. We’re an independent voice. We search for truth and clarity by looking at these issues through the lens of freedom versus force, force versus freedom. If something’s a good idea, you should not have to force people to do it. And during the last break, you heard the spot for the Roger Mangan State Farm Insurance team. And the Roger Mangan team carries both my home and auto. And if you bundle your insurance together, you might be able to save some money. And I know one of our listeners was able to save a bunch of money. And so it doesn’t cost anything. You can have an appointment with them. It’s complimentary. And give them a call at 303-795-8855 for that appointment. Thrilled to have on the line with me Rob Nadelson. He’s a nationally known constitutional scholar and author whose constitutional research has been cited repeatedly by justices and parties at the U.S. Supreme Court, as well as by federal appeals courts and at least 16 state supreme courts. He is the author, which is in its third edition, The Original Constitution, What It Actually Said and Meant. Rob Nadelson, welcome to the show.
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It’s great to be with you once again, Kim. Thank you for inviting me.
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Well, yes. And the Supreme Court is in session. And this is part of a term. Explain that. And you did such a good job the last time you were on the show. But for people that missed that, explain how this works with the Supreme Court, how they’re hearing cases, how they’ll make their decisions. I guess the time frame, really.
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Well, for historic reasons, this is called the 2023 term. Actually, this is a 2024 term and will continue to be the 2024 term through about June 30th. And that’s because the term began on October 2024. And so the court begins to take up cases. It decides which ones that it wants to hear. Nearly all cases that go to the Supreme Court are the result of an application or a petition for what’s called a writ of certiorari. which is a discretionary review by the court. In other words, very rarely do you actually have the right to be heard by the Supreme Court. The Supreme Court rejects or accepts cases at its discretion. It decides which cases to grant certiorari in, that is to say, which cases to hear. And then it sets up oral argument. So we saw, for example, the transgender case, Skirmati v. United States, oral argument was heard the other day oral argument will continue really for months now and then so is the oral argument for this case done or do they continue to have that as far as I know the oral argument for that case is done but there will be a lot of others and the court will start issuing opinions initially in a dribble and eventually in a flood. terminating by an absolute deluge toward the end of June.
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Okay. So this was a very important case that was heard and the headline that I found is apparently Judge Brown Jackson said something that was very, I think, controversial regarding this whole transgender case. So set this up for this particular case because I think it really is important.
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Well, I think the place to start is not with the court but with politics. Why is it that suddenly transgender issues are a fixation with the media and with the left? Why is it that the term gender-affirming care has been invented to signify the denial of someone’s gender? And the reason is that basically traceable to Obamacare. Obamacare was adopted in 2010. And while it was ambiguous on the issue of whether gender transition care or surgery was covered, the bureaucracy, including the health care bureaucracy, assumed that it was and started giving Health insurance companies started covering these kinds of operations and drugs. And the federal government, notably the Obama administration, and then later the Biden administration, began to push insurance companies further toward covering if they didn’t already. The result was that a new interest group was created. This interest group consists of partly transgender individuals, but more powerfully, the whole health care lobby, particularly those people who do transgender work. And so the left saw this as a potential element in the coalition and started speaking to their issues to enlist that lobby. So the reason we’re hearing so much about this is, as so often happens, Kim, a federal spending program. Federal spending programs have all kinds of unintended and unknown consequences, mostly bad. And this is one example. So the next big development was a case decided in 2020 called the Bostock case. And in it, the Supreme Court held that the Civil Rights Act of 1964 which banned discrimination based on sex and was clearly designed to prevent discrimination against women, would be interpreted to mean discrimination for any reasons connected to sex. So instead of merely being a statute that protected women and men against discrimination, it would now be interpreted to mean cover homosexuals and transgender individuals. That, again, was clearly not the intent of Congress at all. We can explain why the court did what it did, but I don’t want to get that far into the weeds. Anyway, based on the notion that sex is a legally protected category and that that includes transgenderism, The current case was brought against the Tennessee law that prohibits the use of so-called gender-affirming care for minors. The claim in this case is not a violation of the Civil Rights Act of 1964. The claim is that this particular decision by the Tennessee legislature violates the Equal Protection Clause of the 14th Amendment. And so that’s really what the parties are arguing right now, whether a law that protects minors against this kind of, I would say, abuse somehow violates the Equal Protection Clause of the 14th Amendment of the Constitution.
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It’s unbelievable to me. And thank you for setting this up. I didn’t quite understand that. But for you to connect the politics with the courts, I think that’s really important. But Rob, how? The moral thing, you mentioned the healthcare lobby, and we’ve had Pam Long on, who she’d done research on over a lifetime, transgender, I don’t want to say care, because I don’t think that’s the right word, but the transgender operations and pharmaceuticals that somebody has to take and do over a lifetime is close to a million dollars or more.
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Yeah, I mean these people become permanent patients and therefore permanent consumers of government funds, insurance company funds, and permanent users of health care services. I would think – the news reports seem to suggest based upon the judge’s questions that the Tennessee law against inflicting this stuff on minors is going to be upheld. I would hope so. For one reason, one reason is I think the court has learned something, hopefully, from its experience with Roe versus Wade. You cannot federalize an issue like this. Health care was designed by the founders of our Constitution to be a state issue. with health care issues being resolved in state legislatures or locally or by families, not by the federal government. That was the great lesson with the 50 years of horrendous, divisive experience under Roe v. Wade, for the court to start wading in again and say, well, Under the Constitution, which of course says nothing about health care at all, under the Constitution, this kind of operation is okay and that kind of operation is okay. And it’s okay if you ban it for people below 18 but not people above 18 or below 16 or parental – I mean – Those are the kinds of things that the court got into, trying to fine-tune what amounted to legislation in the years under Roe v. Wade. I cannot imagine them wanting to wade into that particular swamp again, but who knows.
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Gosh, and the money that is involved. And when we talk about health care costs, when insurance companies are forced and then federal programs like Medicaid, does Medicaid cover transgender operations or do you know?
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I think the answer generally to that is yes. Now, it depends to a certain extent on the state. And it depends upon whether the company – well, it depends on the state, really. But increasingly, the pressure from the administration, the Biden administration, has been to require the coverage. There is some material on this online. The reason I’m being a little vague here is that the material is also a little vague. Obamacare doesn’t explicitly say that this stuff has to be covered. But what you see is pressure in the bureaucracy in that direction. Look, there’s a point I think that a lot of Republicans and conservatives and moderates don’t understand. And that is that every time you create a massive new federal spending program, you don’t just spend the money and make the deficit worse. you also create certain toxic cultural effects. One may be increasing dependency, but another is illustrated in this particular issue, and that is that the priorities of the left, which generally control the federal bureaucracy, tend to become the priorities of the whole country because there’s so much money behind it. You know how I first noticed this? As you know, I was A professor of law, this is where I taught constitutional law at the University of Montana, and I was there for 24 years. There’s a cynical expression that some French people have, and pardon my French accent, cherchez la femme. Cherchez la femme means if a man is doing something really questionable or stupid, look for the woman. He’s probably trying to impress a woman or there’s a woman pressuring him. I modified that to – if you see something really stupid that’s going on in a university campus, check out the federal program. Look for the federal program. There’s probably some federal dollars behind it somewhere encouraging people to do this. And what I particularly noticed is the provost invited us for a luncheon, and there were 10 of us, and we all described our research. And eight of the 10 were all working on various political correct projects that – I mean, they were all – and they were driven by federal dollars. The two of us who were not was myself. I was working on constitutional history and a woman who was a mathematician. But everybody else was working on these politically correct projects because there was so much federal money and federal support behind it. So you mentioned the decision by the American people that they want government shrunk. Yes. It’s not just a financial imperative, it’s a cultural imperative. I mean, social conservatives as well as fiscal conservatives need to get on board because the size of the federal government and the priorities of the federal government are destroying the culture. And that, by the way, will only change marginally under the Trump administration. He’ll make a few changes, but most of them will be easily reversible changes, and he won’t be able to get down deep into the federal bureaucracy. The only way to get down deep in the federal bureaucracy is literally repeal and defund federal programs, make them go away entirely so they can’t come back.
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Well, we need to work on that. I’m talking with Rob Nadelson. He is a nationally known constitutional scholar. And I have a few more questions regarding this case that was heard regarding transgender operations on children. And so we’ll talk about that when we come back. I wanted to mention Doyle Glass. He was our guest for America’s Veterans Stories last week, and he’s written the book Swift Sword, which is the true story of the Marines of Mike 3-5 in Vietnam on 4 September 1967. And the week of the 16th of December, he has a national focus on his book and also honoring our Vietnam veterans. And so be sure and check out the book. I think it’s a great book to have at home on your shelf or your Freedom Library. And I think it’s a great gift for Christmas or Hanukkah for that veteran service member in your family. So be sure and check out Swift Sword.
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Back to the Kim Munson Show. Be sure and check out our website. That is Kim Munson, M-O-N-S-O-N.com. Sign up for our weekly email newsletter. You can email me at Kim at KimMunson.com as well. And thank you to all of you who support us. We’re an independent voice and we search for truth and clarity by looking at these issues through the lens of freedom versus force, force versus freedom. If something’s a good idea, you should not have to force people to do it. And during the break, you heard the spot for Doyle Glass’s book, Swift Sword. And as we learn about these stories of our Marines, it’s one of the reasons why I’m so honored to support the USMC Memorial Foundation as they are raising money for the remodel of the Marine Memorial right here in Colorado, the official memorials right here in Colorado. And so you can contribute or you can buy a brick for your loved ones to honor your loved one’s military service. You’ll get a great certificate that you’ll receive. It’s a beautiful certificate and just a wonderful gift for Christmas or Hanukkah. So more information, go to usmcmemorialfoundation.org. Rob Nadelson is on the line, and he is a constitutional scholar. He’s the author of the book, The Original Constitution, What It Actually Said and Meant. It’s in its third edition. Rob Nadelson, words matter. And to say gender, when you say gender affirming care, that’s not really, I don’t think that that’s accurate. It really is gender mutilation of young people. And I think that we need to speak truth into what this actually is. And then To have a Supreme Court justice, this was Kejani Brown, suggest that to prevent gender mutilation of children is equivalent apparently to the laws that were banning interracial marriage. I’m just floored that she would make that connection, if you will.
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They don’t have much to go on constitutionally. And that’s one of the few reads they’re grasping to promote their case. The other one I mentioned was the Bostock decision. It is kind of surprising to me that the Supreme Court even decided to hear this case, but I guess it wanted to establish a precedent one way or another. As for the euphemism gender-affirming care, people who have indefensible causes will come up with ways to cut off debate or to cut off thought through the use of phrases and euphemisms. Let me give you a good example. You may recall that in the years before the Civil War, there was a dispute as to which states would be slave and which ones would be free. And Stephen A. Douglas took the position which he called popular sovereignty. The idea was, he said, shouldn’t the people of a state decide whether they want to be slave or free? Of course, the problem with that is when he referred to the people of a state in popular sovereignty, he was eliminating mentally anyone who was black. In other words, it was popular sovereignty only among white people. But the term popular sovereignty sounds really good. And it excluded the fact – excuse me, it obscured the fact that it justified a majority of one ethnic group enslaving another. You see the same thing with the abortion lobby, reproductive rights, when what, of course, they mean is killing an unborn child. Again, it’s a way of – blocking thought or unplugging our critical faculties through the use of words. It was, of course, summarized in the great George Orwell novel, 1984.
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Yeah. And guys, through the Biden-Harris administration, I felt like we certainly were living through 1984. So let’s talk about the election, because with Trump being elected, I didn’t even realize kind of this weight. that was on my shoulders because of the more onerous government and government picking winners and losers. Of course, a straight white male was at the bottom of the pecking order on anything because they were picking winners and losers instead of looking at people through merit, what they could do and do well. So I feel that there’s hope and opportunity with the Trump election. What’s your thoughts?
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Well, let’s start with the negative and move to the positive, okay? Okay. As you know, I combine constitutional scholarship and my legal work with my work as a historian. I’m trained in history. I have a degree in history, and much of my work is historically driven. President Biden has expressed interest in how presidential historians would rate him and other presidents. And I’ve written a little bit on this, and I plan to write some more. But if you go through the list of American presidents and you find which ones have been marked down low, you’ll find that there are certain categories that tend to get them marked down low. James Buchanan, for example, is marked down low because he failed to enforce the law against the seceding southern states. Andrew Johnson is marked down low in part because of his highly divisive rhetoric. Woodrow Wilson is probably not marked down as low as he should be, but one thing that does weigh him down is the fact that he was mentally incapacitated for part of his term.
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It’s like Deja Vu all over again, huh?
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Yeah. Some presidents… Wilson is an example, but also Lincoln are marked down for suppression of civil liberties. And then some are marked down for bad policy decisions. So I don’t know of any president. I don’t. Excuse me.
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Well, Lincoln is. He was in the middle of a civil war.
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Yeah, and he got rid of habeas corpus.
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Was that the right decision? Right. Was that the right decision for him to do that?
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Well, no, and the Supreme Court slapped him down for suspending the rid of habeas corpus in an area that was not part of the war theater. But the point I’m trying to make is if you go down the list of negatives that get presidents knocked down, you’ll find that in history, there’s only one president who checks all of those boxes, who has all of those negatives, who has been involved in the suppression of civil liberties, who has had capacity problems, whose rhetoric has been highly divisive, who has failed in his constitutional obligation to enforce the law. And that’s Joe Biden. We’re coming literally, I believe, out of one of the worst, if not the worst, presidencies in American history. And I’m not saying that as a matter of hyperbole. I think that is an accurate assessment. And I think that will be history’s assessment. Now, let’s turn to the election, because generally what happens if a president is a very poor president, he doesn’t win a second term. And that, of course, was the case in this instance. The election was closer than we like to think. Trump won in the popular vote by less than 2%. This is disguised somewhat by the Electoral College because he won a sweeping Electoral College victory. But we can’t forget the fact that over 48% of the people voted – or 47% of the people voted for Kamala Harris despite the horrendous record of the Biden administration. And again, that is – I’m going to circle back here to use Jen Psaki’s famous phrase – That is largely due to the size of the federal government. We have a tremendous part of the electorate that is dependent upon federal dollars, either for welfare programs or insurance programs, or they’re protected by regulation or they’re directly employed by the federal government. And those people tend to vote liberal no matter what the other merits are in the election. And so that, once again, points out the importance of the Trump administration getting to the root of the problem, not doing what they did in his first term, which was to cut back some regulations, which could be easily reversed, but to actually defund permanently certain federal programs. Department of Education is a good place to start. The other point I wanted to make regarding the election pertains to the Electoral College, and that is the Electoral College tends to reward candidates with national support and to punish candidates with mostly regional support. The reason Hillary Clinton lost the 2016 election, despite the fact that she had a tiny plurality of the vote, is because she was pretty much a regional candidate. And if you look at some of the maps of the counties she carried, you can see that. Her support was very spotty. The Electoral College assures that a victorious president, or almost a not 100%, but almost assures that the winner of the presidential election will be someone with broad national support. And that, of course, goes a long way toward helping to prevent the breakup of the country.
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Well, and that was really the purpose of the Electoral College. So we’ll talk about that more in the next segment with Rob Nadelson. These are such important discussions. I learn so much from experts such as Rob Nadelson. And all of this happens because of sponsors. For everything mortgages, reach out to Lorne Levy.
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Well, welcome back to the Kim Munson Show. Be sure and check out our website. That is Kim Munson, M-O-N-S-O-N.com. Sign up for our weekly email newsletter. And you can email me at Kim at KimMunson.com as well. Thank you to all of you who support us. We’re an independent voice and we search for truth and clarity by looking at these issues through the lens of freedom versus force, force versus freedom. If something’s a good idea, you shouldn’t have to force people to do it. Rob Nadelson is on the line with me, and you know him. He is a constitutional expert. He’s a constitutional scholar and author, and he’s the author of the original Constitution. What it actually said and meant, it’s in its third edition. Rob Nadelson, the Electoral College. was brilliant by our founders because they wanted to make sure that the minority voices could be heard as well, such as the smaller states. And so they came up with this electoral college, which the radical activists, Democrats, have really wanted to get rid of that. And you mentioned the national popular vote. And don’t you remember that movement of trying to have different states sign a compact that said that their electoral college votes would go to whoever won the national popular vote? Well, and Colorado signed on to that compact. They still need additional states to try to make that happen. But if, in fact, that compact was in place right now, Colorado’s electoral votes would go to Donald Trump. But I think it was a strategy to try to obviously circumvent. Well, it’s obvious that it’s a strategy to circumvent the Electoral College. So what do you think about all that?
SPEAKER 05 :
Okay, well, let me start by saying that we really need to do a whole program on the Electoral College sometimes, Kim, because there’s no one reason for the Electoral College. It’s not just to protect minorities or just not to protect against regional elections. The development of the presidential election system, of which the Electoral College is only a part, was identified by the founder, James Wilson. as the most difficult task the founders had in drafting the Constitution. And there were something like a dozen different factors that they had to balance against each other. It wasn’t just regionalism. It wasn’t just protection of minority rights. A whole series of factors. And that’s why I think it’s worth an entire show. It’s a date.
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We’ll make that happen.
SPEAKER 05 :
Yeah. As to why the left opposes… The Electoral College, the common theme that runs through all their positions is the breakdown of obstructions on central power and their ability to control the central power. So they oppose the Electoral College because it’s a break on federal power. It empowers the states. It empowers certain minorities and so forth. And because they generally control the federal government, not entirely, but they want to be able to lock that up. And they don’t want obstructions to that. It’s the same reason they attack the family. It’s the same reason they attack corporations. It’s the same reason why they favor the federal government controlling things at the expense of the states. It’s the same reason why they go against religions. The states, religions, families, corporations, business enterprises, they are what sociologists call mediating institutions. That is to say they’re institutions that protect the individual so the individual is not standing naked against the centralized state. And so they want to do all of that. So when you hear them bad-mouthing corporations or bad-mouthing Christianity or increasingly bad-mouthing Judaism – or calling for a uniform centralized solution. It’s all really part of the same theme, which is, we want the feds to control everything, and we will control the feds, and you will do what we say. It is a form of totalitarianism. It’s not, as many people have said, your daddy’s liberalism. I mean, liberals never really understood economic rights, but they certainly understood political rights like free speech. The current gang doesn’t understand any right other than your ability to be controlled by them, even the so-called right of abortion. I would argue, is part of the larger agenda of encouraging family breakdown.
SPEAKER 14 :
Yeah. And so many young people have been really indoctrinated into this because so many of our different institutions have been taken over. Yes.
SPEAKER 05 :
And people and if I could, people blame the public schools. So they have a lot of a lot of blame. But the worst blame is the universities. I’m saying that as a longtime former university employee. If you look at the polling for the people who are most far left, you’ll see that it is disproportionately fairly recent graduates of universities. especially prestige universities. And many people, including myself, who have seen members of our family go through this process and been converted from reasonable people into far radical leftists, recognize that. Remember I talked about defunding federal programs? Near the top of my list would be an end of the student loan program and an end to to all federal funding of universities and university research except what is necessary to promote national defense.
SPEAKER 14 :
I totally agree with you on that. But the tentacles of this are so embedded. And so when I was on city council, I’m trying to remember this, it was a while ago, but I think that they were considering. I’m not sure that it was passed. I think that it was. And maybe it was for police officers. But there was the stipulation that you had to have a college degree. It didn’t matter whether or not that college degree was in the field that you were applying for the job. You just had to have that college degree. Right, which makes sense.
SPEAKER 05 :
Which makes no sense. Even if college were valuable, you wouldn’t insist upon a college degree if it was unrelated, right? But increasingly, college is not particularly valuable for life skills.
SPEAKER 14 :
And I think that we’re going to see a big cultural shift. I think a lot of people are not being woke. I think that they are waking up. And this idea that young people have been encouraged to take on all this debt for a college degree. And then they’re saddled with it for so long. It’s just really, really a tragic thing. But I’m encouraged. We have a minute left, Rob Nadelson. It’s always fascinating. We’ll get you scheduled here soon for a whole discussion on the Electoral College. But how would you like to button this up?
SPEAKER 05 :
I’d like to button it up by letting folks know where they can see my writings. I’m a senior fellow in constitutional jurisprudence at the Independence Institute right here in Denver. And so if you go to independenceinstitute.org, independenceinstitute, all one word, .org, and go to the Constitution tab, most of my writing is there. In addition, you can acquire, either from barnesandnoble.com or amazon.com, my book, The Original Constitution, what it actually said and meant, and also a book I’ve written on the Constitution’s amendment process called The Law of Article 5. That’s more for specialists. But the original Constitution book is for the layperson.
SPEAKER 14 :
And again, that is another book that people should have a hard copy, I think, at home in their Freedom Library. I have several copies, and it’s such an important work. So Rob Nadelson, I wish you a very Merry Christmas, Happy Hanukkah, Happy Holiday Season, and we will get you scheduled to have that whole discussion regarding the Electoral College. So thank you so much. thank you kim it’s been great talking to you and your audience and we learn so much and our quote for the end of the show is from henry hazlitt and he said when alexander the great visited the philosopher dion dionogenes and asked whether he could do anything for him dionogenes said to have replied yes stand a little less between me and the sun and is what every citizen is entitled to ask of his government So, my friends, today, be grateful, read great books, think good thoughts, listen to beautiful music, communicate and listen well, live honestly and authentically, strive for high ideals, and like Superman, stand for truth, justice, and the American way. My friends, you are not alone. God bless you. God bless America. Stay tuned for hour number two.
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Indeed, let’s have a conversation, and welcome to our number two of the Kim Munson Show. Thank you so much for joining us. You’re each treasured, you’re valued, you have purpose. Today’s drive for excellence, take care of your heart, your soul, your mind, and your body, my friends. We were made for this time in history. And thank you to the team that I get to work with. That’s Producer Joe, Luke, Rachel, Zach, Echo, Charlie, Mike, Teresa, and all the people here at Crawford Broadcasting. Happy Thursday, Producer Joe. Happy Thursday, Kim. I always learn so much when Rob Nadelson is on. And so that first hour will rebroadcast today in the one to two hour. This hour will rebroadcast tonight, 10 to 11. And this is on all KLZ 560 platforms. That’s KLZ 560 AM, KLZ 560, excuse me, 100.7 FM, the KLZ website and the KLZ app. And then typically the next day, we have our summary on the… on my website, and the podcast is embedded there, but also you can listen via the streaming services such as iTunes and Spotify. And so check out the website. Make sure that you’re signed up for our weekly email newsletter. We typically only send one each week. That’s on Sundays. And you can email me at kim at kimmunza.com. Our text line is 720-605-7205. And thank you to all of you who support us. It is you and then all these great sponsors. And I so appreciate Laramie Energy for their gold sponsorship of the show because it is reliable, efficient, affordable, and abundant energy that powers our lives and fuels our hopes and dreams. Our word of the day. is ingenuity. And we’re doing some things that have a lot of ingenuity with them, and that is two things. Our Reclaim Colorado 2025 project, which is an extension of our Colorado 2024 election project. And we’re going to be working to reclaim Colorado. And so stay tuned on that regarding a lawsuit and legislation that we’ll be working on. And Then also, I think we need to do Doge, Colorado, and that would be let’s get engaged as citizens, go through and see where we can encourage our government to be cut to become more efficient. And so we will be working on that. So stay tuned. And I think it’ll take a lot of ingenuity on the part of each and every one of us, which would be the definition is skill and. or cleverness in devising or combining, and could be such an example in ingenious device or contrivance. Ingenuity is spelled I-N-G-E-N-U-I-T-Y. And our quote of the day is from Henry Hazlitt. And I love the quote that we had at the end of the show. And I apologize. I know all of you that are philosophy majors cringe every time I’m trying to pronounce the Greek philosopher or philosopher, so I’m working on it. But what they have to say is so important. But that’s at the end of the show. The quote for the beginning here is from Henry Hazlitt. He said, “…for every alleged benefit that the politicians confer upon us, they must necessarily deprive us of something else.” Also, to paraphrase, government cannot give someone something that they haven’t taken from somebody else. And that’s called theft. And so that, again, is our quote of the day. A couple of headlines that I wanted to mention this hour. The first one is from Fox News, and it says Biden blocks new mining in a region that produces about 40 percent of the nation’s coal. And it goes on to say it’s a disaster. And it says that it’s going to block this new mining in this key region regarding the nation’s climate change concerns. So please make sure that you go and take a look at a climate conversation dot com and watch the documentary, which is the project of Walt Johnson and our important podcast series as well. But it goes on to say it could be a short-lived as President-elect Trump prepares to make U.S. energy dominance a key focus of his incoming administration. It says, and this is unbelievable, on his way out, Biden’s Bureau of Land Management recently approved an amendment to the resource management plan to ban new federal coal leases and make 48.12 billion short tons of coal unavailable for leasing consideration in order to, air quotes, reduce greenhouse gas emissions. as a proxy for climate change, according to Todd D. Yeager, Bureau of Land Management, Buffalo Field Manager. And says the decision will block any new federal mining leases in Wyoming’s Powder River Basin, the country’s largest coal-producing region, by 2041. And what that means is, as coal, we use that to heat our homes, and it will make it much more expensive for us to heat our homes and where we live. And so I’m going to ask Karen Levine what she thinks about that because she’s in the business of helping people buy and sell their homes. And I know people appreciate their property rights and being able to efficiently and affordably be able to heat their homes in the winter and cool them in the summer. Welcome, Karen Levine.
SPEAKER 16 :
Good morning, Kim.
SPEAKER 14 :
So what do you think about this?
SPEAKER 16 :
Well, I think it’s interesting that the headline had to do with coal in our conversation last night, which was trains and the lack of train transportation for transformers or the lack of transformers. And I made the comment about, well, the reduction in coal, and somebody said, no, no, we still produce coal. Well… Here’s an example, right, of cutting down coal production and the vulnerability of how we’re all connected. And if things go down, and then you add to the conversation the cost, which as we continue the conversation of affordability in housing, public policy, mandates for electrifying, greenhouse, you know, green roofs, all those type of things increase the cost of houses.
SPEAKER 14 :
Well, I ended up in a debate with a face-to-face debate with Denver Mayor Mike Johnston during the election season. And he had this proposal for an additional sales tax for, I have this in air quotes, affordable housing or subsidized housing.
SPEAKER 08 :
Yes, ma’am.
SPEAKER 14 :
And that was defeated. But one of the things I said is if you… increase sales taxes then that increases the cost of things for people which makes their life less affordable it’s like that’s an important dot to connect and I think and the people of Denver did connect that dot because they voted that down right and he and I had that exact same conversation and I you know it’s it’s the story of robbing Peter to pay Paul right and
SPEAKER 16 :
So you take money from the people who want to support the city and county of Denver through purchasing products and services, and then you earmark it for another group of people. And if we would have allowed supply to increase, That also would have created affordability, and we have so many restrictions on building that supply got way behind, which again increased property values, median home prices, and it just seems to acerbate itself, and yet on a positive note. We have houses to sell during the holiday season, and people are still thinking about buying and selling, and there’s opportunity out there. Sellers that are on the market over the holidays generally have a need to sell, and so there might be more negotiating opportunity. So I’m working, and people are achieving homeownership and the dream of, and so that part’s great.
SPEAKER 14 :
Well, it is. And some people that I know are selling their home and buying another home, and you are helping them with that. And I’m just amazed at the, I would say, kind of the stable of experts that you have, that you work with, home inspectors. And I just kind of gleaned some of this information from our conversations, Karen, that you have people that… If you need to fix something in a home to get it ready for sale, you have a whole group of people that are real professionals that you work with and can really help people, and we say this in your spot, to navigate this home buying experience.
SPEAKER 16 :
Yeah, and I think people don’t understand that my… job is goes far beyond locating the home, contracting for the home, and getting to the closing. Many people think it’s just showing up and I collect my fee. There is so much that goes on during that journey and things that we encounter as far as through the inspection process. And like you said, Kim, I need vendors available. And so I have trusted vendors and I am able to reach out to them and say, hey, I need this plumbing problem fixed here in the next, you know, 72 hours. Can you fit me in? And they always do, unless there’s some unforeseen circumstance. But they appreciate doing business with me because I appreciate doing business with them, and they bring a good quality of service and product to my clientele, and that obviously is helpful for everybody to navigate that. all the bumps in the road as we travel from under contract to closing. And I guess I think I believe I’ve become very good at being able to put all those parts and pieces together.
SPEAKER 14 :
Well, I can attest that you are, so I greatly appreciate that. If people want to buy or sell a home or look at a new build, what’s that phone number for Karen Levine?
SPEAKER 16 :
The best way to reach me is 303- 877-7516. That’s Karen Levine, 303-877-7516. And Karen, you and Lorne are going to be in studio next week, so I’ll look forward to seeing you.
SPEAKER 14 :
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And welcome back to The Kim Munson Show. Be sure and check out our website. That is KimMunson, M-O-N-S-O-N.com. Sign up for our weekly email newsletter so that you’ll get first look at all of our upcoming guests and our most recent essays. As you all know, I’m an independent voice. I purchased my airtime, which means I have full control over subject selection, guest selection. And… So we’re blessed to bring great guests to you, and I’m really blessed to work with amazing sponsors as well. And one of those great sponsors is First American State Bank and Jay Davidson. He is the CEO and founder of First American State Bank. And, Jay, you have been supporting the show for many years. I’m going to be starting my six-year solo broadcasting here at the beginning of 2025, and you’ve been with me through all of it.
SPEAKER 10 :
Yeah, and even before. I mean, time flies fast. I sure appreciate all the good you’re doing for this area and our thought processes here.
SPEAKER 14 :
Well, and you are a fan favorite as a featured guest. So it’s great to have you on. And I want to talk about the UK. But before we do that, you are the founder and CEO of First American State Bank. And I always, I think I saw some of your ads sometimes in some of the magazines. And I was under the impression that First American State Bank, a great community bank, but that you worked with maybe higher worth individuals. But that’s not necessarily the case, right? No.
SPEAKER 10 :
No, we believe, and this is a cliche, but it’s true, we believe everybody is worth a hell of a lot, and we appreciate everybody. And, in fact, I’ve been actively trying to expand into the millennial and Gen Z and Gen X and whatever those other young folks are into that market because they’re ideal for what we do. I mean, we don’t do cookie-cutter banking. And if you own your own business, you need a bank like me, somebody that will sit down with you. You have access to us at any time. We’re kind of like concierge medicine where you want to call the doctor. You know, here’s my cell phone. Call me. And that’s what we do. And you don’t have to be high net worth to bank with us. In fact, we’d love to have anybody come on in and talk to us. We really appreciate it.
SPEAKER 14 :
So where are you located, Jay Davidson?
SPEAKER 10 :
Well, we’re in the tech center on Bellevue and Yosemite Street. Well, it changes from Tamarack to Yosemite right there. It’s 8390 East Crescent Parkway, Suite 100 in Greenwood Village, Colorado. And you can go on our website, FASBank.com, and get directions to the bank.
SPEAKER 14 :
Well, and last time that we talked last month, in addressing this market of millennials and all of the Xers and Yers and all that, they like all this online stuff. And so knowing where you are is important, but you are offering all this online banking, which is exactly what they want.
SPEAKER 10 :
Yeah, I’m very fortunate that my daughter and son and their spouses… are all millennials, and every one of them is very computer literate, and in fact, my daughter works for the bank, and she runs our web-based products, and we just brought on an entire rather deep set of applications, I guess you’d call them. Again, I’m talking way out of my league, because I don’t know how these things work, but applications to do all your banking. I mean, you want to take a picture of your deposit, send it to us, we’ll deposit it into your account. You want to balance your checkbook online, we got that. You want to transfer money, we can do that. You want to apply for a loan, you bet. So our online presence has really been beefed up in order to address the millennial and younger people.
SPEAKER 14 :
Well, and then one other thing, speaking of your daughter, what is amazing about your family is, again, I’ve known this for all these years, is you are so supportive of many different nonprofits that are doing great work. But one of those is Volunteers of America. And your daughter has really taken this on regarding this toy drive, which is so impressive.
SPEAKER 10 :
You know, she started this 10 years ago. I didn’t even know she was doing it. And she’s grown this into an incredible event. Thousands and thousands of toys are generated and provided for the VOA recipients. There’s nothing more heartwarming than to give a child who is homeless or destitute, whose family is destitute, a gift over Christmas. I know it sounds simple and, you know, transitory, but Man, to see the light in that child’s eyes is worth every effort. So my daughter has done an incredible job. I mean, I’m just blown away, and I’m obviously very proud of what she’s been doing.
SPEAKER 14 :
It really is awesome. Is it too late if people would like to help, or is that ship sailed already?
SPEAKER 10 :
No, bring it over. No, it’s here. In fact, I walk into the bank and you can see all sorts of toys. I don’t go to my office anymore. I just sit there and play with them.
SPEAKER 14 :
A kid at heart, that’s for sure. And what about if people don’t have time to shop? Is there a way they could just give some money?
SPEAKER 10 :
Sure. Go onto our website, FASBank.com, and you’ll see the toy drive icon on the top. Click on that, and you can donate right there.
SPEAKER 14 :
Okay. Well, a wonderful thing to do this Christmas season and Hanukkah season as well. Jay, let’s get over here, though, to something that we need to, I think, address. And this is an excellent piece that you had shared with your contacts regarding a Wall Street Journal piece on the new United Kingdom government gets a lesson in supply-side economics as businesses revolt against tax hikes. And your commentary on this, this was by Joseph Sternberg, I think was really important. So what should people know?
SPEAKER 10 :
Economics is called the dismal science, variously, and also really it’s a study of human nature. That’s really what economics is. It has very little to do with numbers down to the tenth decimal point. If a human person, an individual person, is stimulated to do one thing, he’ll do that. And if he’s de-stimulated, he’ll do something else. Taxes are not stimulative in any way, shape, or form. They’re a necessary evil, but they’re not stimulative. They’re depressive. And when I talk about taxes, that is the only way that a government can obtain revenue. The other way they can do it is similar to a tax. It’s called debt. And And but that still is a expense on the individual person. It’s not on the corporations. They pass that through. It’s you and me and everybody else that’s working for a living is paying the debt and paying the taxes.
SPEAKER 14 :
Well, it’s important to drive that point home is that government does not create anything. And so the only way that it can do things is by taking money from the individual and then also debt. In a way, that’s also taking money from future individuals as well because that debt has to be paid off over time.
SPEAKER 10 :
You’re exactly right, Kim. All government revenue comes from… from the citizen, from you and me, from the taxpayer, from the person that’s working day and night trying to put food on the table for his family and get along in this world. It comes from us. The government doesn’t generate income. And that’s the beautiful thing about private business and individuals. They do generate profit. They do generate income. We are capable of doing that in a voluntary system. And that term voluntary is absolutely critical to the concept of capitalism and fair market trades. And the definition of fair market, as we’ve discussed in the past, is a willing buyer, a willing seller without outside coercion. In other words, a voluntary transaction. Now, I can sit here in the bank and I can offer you all these nice little products and you can choose to take them or not. If I don’t take care of you, you can choose to go somewhere else. That’s voluntary. I don’t have a voluntary voice in the matter of taxation or the matter of debt that’s put on my family and me and all future generations or on the spending that the government does that distorts the markets in which I play. That’s not voluntary. That’s mandatory. And I understand everybody will say, well, we need some of it. Yeah, we do need some of it, probably. But we don’t need what we have today. There’s too much.
SPEAKER 14 :
Well, there is too much. And over the Thanksgiving holiday, we took some respite, the team, so that we were not up at O-Dark 30 every day. And I did a lot of thinking. And certainly… The federal government, Donald Trump has Elon Musk and Vivek Ramaswamy, and they’re tasked with shrinking government. And I love that. But what I was thinking about, Jay, is local, county, and state governments is where I think that there’s really embedded a lot of this government spending. And we have… staff that bureaucrats that are really kind of running the show at the local county and state levels in many ways how can we do doge colorado and so that’s my new thing that i want to work on is doge colorado okay And I think one of the things is that we start to put pressure on the federal government to stop these grants that are coming to local, county, and state government because that’s not the proper role of government. And so this is all just, I’m just thinking about it, but what do you think?
SPEAKER 10 :
The whole rubric is spending, cutting government spending. That’s the source of the issue. That’s why tax rates are so high. That’s why debt is so high. That’s why private industry and individuals are feeling so much pain. That’s why there is inflation, which is dollar devaluation. It’s government spending is the source of this evil. And we need to hold every single elected person accountable, whether it’s federal, state, local, regional, next-door neighbor on your HOA. We need to absolutely hold them accountable. And that’s the function of the individual citizen. It’s the beauty of the way our Constitution was built. Our founders understood human nature. And they said, well, if it left to its own devices, the government’s going to become a monarchy or a tyranny, just like we fought Great Britain to end, and we’re going to have it back in no time at all. Well, that’s true. That’s where we are today. That’s why The rebellion in favor of Trump and against Biden happened so precipitously and so powerfully because people are sick and tired of a government, a woke society, ESG, DEI, transgenderism, global climate change, carbon footprint, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. They’re tired of the government telling them what to do. In fact, they’re sick and tired of it and fed up. So The point I think that you’re making is that it is the individual and the business that is capable of generating profit. That profit, when left to their own devices, can be reinvested in the business. That will then grow the business, allow the business person to hire more people who will then benefit from capitalism. Capitalism is the greatest gift to individuals since the The idea of sliced bread. I mean, it’s just incredible how well it functions. And it is truly the goose that lays the golden egg. And the golden egg is profitability. Well, our government is overtaking that. And Britain is a perfect example of socialism gone wrong. And socialism always goes wrong. There is not a case in history where socialism has not destroyed the private economy, the capitalistic economy. Not a single one. And yet these lefties continue to try and force these ideas on us. You know why? Because they know better. They’re smarter than the rest of us. Well, I hate to tell you, but you’re not. Anyway, I’ll shut up right now.
SPEAKER 14 :
I totally agree. And I want to continue to talk about that. I’m talking with Jay Davidson. He is the CEO and founder of First American State Bank. And another great sponsor of the show is LaVockabee Company.
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And welcome back to The Kim Munson Show. Be sure to check out our website. That is KimMunson, M-O-N-S-O-N.com. Sign up for our weekly email newsletter. You can email me at Kim at KimMunson.com as well. I’m talking with Jay Davidson, CEO and founder of First American State Bank. First American State Bank is a great partner of the show. It is located right here in Greenwood Village. And really, they’re doing great work in expanding their banking options to, I consider them all younger people, although some of these millennials are getting to middle age. Jay Davidson.
SPEAKER 10 :
Well, you don’t have to remind me of that, you know, where that puts me on that scale. I thought I was middle-aged. Oh, wait. Only if you lived to be 140 would I be middle-aged.
SPEAKER 14 :
I think 85 is now middle-aged.
SPEAKER 10 :
There you go. I’m with you.
SPEAKER 14 :
So, Jay Davidson, we were talking about supply-side economics and the United Kingdom. They’re having a business revolt regarding higher and higher taxes. But so over here on this side of the pond, Donald Trump has tasked Elon Musk and Vivek Ramaswamy with shrinking government. And so government employees are concerned about losing their jobs. I think people have a heart for their neighbors and are concerned if their neighbors lose their jobs. But if we get government to shrink and the private economy to grow, I think that there’s going to be amazing jobs for these people.
SPEAKER 10 :
Yeah, this is a difficult situation. A lot of my friends want the slash and burn routine, you know, pounding their chests and feeling good about knocking the government down. You know, I’ve been railing against the government for most of my life. And, you know, I… I’m not one to say slash and burn. I don’t think that’s intelligent or rational, and please hear me out before you scream at the radio. I think using attrition, in other words, freezing hiring, and when people leave their government jobs, don’t rehire, and set a scale for reducing the number of employees would be more…
SPEAKER 14 :
I think prudent would be a good word.
SPEAKER 10 :
Yeah, it’s a good word. Yeah, prudent, rational. And let these good folks, you know, that are leaving the government positions and the bureaucratic world, you know, segue into the private economy. It’s a whole different world for these people, one that they’re not familiar with and they don’t understand. I mean, believe me, government spending has got to stop. It’s got to stop now. It’s got to be reduced now. We are running out of runway. So I’m all in favor of stopping it, but I like to do it rationally, intelligently, and over a longer period of time. And I think if we try to do it voluntarily in a sense of, well, you know, you can keep your current job, but when you retire or die or quit, you know, we’re not replacing you kind of thing. See if that gets us to where we want to be. But the greater issue is the concept of what is the intent here? What is the overall cause? What is the overall rationale for what we’re doing? And the whole rationale has got to be to establish rigid rules for government spending and not allow it to spend more than it makes. Make the government function within the bounds of its tax revenue and actually less than It’s tax revenue. The reason I say that government spending should be, let’s say, 2% less than gross domestic product or 2% less than what the government revenue is, is that we’ve got trillions and trillions of dollars of debt outstanding that’s costing us close to $1 trillion in interest every year, none of which we can pay back. So every year our debt is going up by a trillion just due to the accrued interest. So this is wrong, and this has been going on for decades. And it’s the whole mindset that you and I and other people like us are trying to change. The government cannot continue to spend the way it has been spending. There is an end point to it.
SPEAKER 14 :
Well, and those on the left like to use the word sustainable. Well, this is not sustainable, and there will be a day of reckoning. But I think that we can make choices now and shrink government. And then I really think the government, the federal government, has no business anymore. giving out grants for special interests. And that is a place I’d love to see spending shrink as well. I don’t think that’s the proper role of government. And these local jurisdictions and county and state that are kind of getting that gravy money and doing things with it, which is not the proper role of government, I think we should stop that spending right now.
SPEAKER 10 :
That’s a very good place to start. This is called cronyism, and it’s not in any way, shape, or form capital cronyism. There is no capitalism in this. It is pure cronyism, and that has got to stop. The government, when they spend money, even Elon Musk, the darling of the conservatives now, took advantage of a government loophole. He said, you know, if you’re going to pay, give citizens an $8,000 or $10,000 or $20,000 tax break, I’ll make this car for you, even though I know it’s not cost-effective, and I’ll sell it for Y when it should be Y plus $20,000. Well, he took advantage of it, and now the government wants to take it away. Well, that’s going to destroy his sales in Tesla. Well, Tesla should never have been allowed to go to the point it did. Much as I appreciate Elon and all he’s doing, he was using the system. The other example, for instance, is something I wrote about the school system and the tax, the mill levy increase on it. You know, over 70% of the money that we spend on the, in this case, Cherry Creek school system and other ones, goes to the administrative function, the overhead. Only 30% goes to the student, to the teacher, to the classrooms. Talk about overhead. That’s another example of local spending gone awry. I mean, it’s just from the federal government all the way down to the school district. It’s ridiculous.
SPEAKER 14 :
Well, it really is. And in my voter’s guide, I had looked at a number of these school questions, either new debt or mill levy overrides or both. And I found this very disturbing. For example, the Denver Public Schools, that bond request almost – let me think here it was a almost a billion dollars I think it was and and that passed and then a few weeks later at Denver Public Schools announces that they’re going to be closing some schools and I I I feel like it was a bit of a bait and switch and I brought it up but a lot of people you know did not realize that that was gonna happen it happened also in Douglas County I think that it’s a bit of a bait and switch from the school districts
SPEAKER 10 :
Yeah, I wouldn’t doubt that. I don’t know what their thinking is, but it sure does seem like it. I think people need to, you know, everybody remembers the teacher, the one that inspired you. Everybody has that. And I, you know, wow, what an expiring, great person. 99% of the other teachers didn’t do anything. They were just there taking up space. I’m not knocking the profession of teaching. I’m just saying that we need to be more aware of how this money is being spent. And when the money is being spent on the administrative functions, then it’s not going to the teachers in the classroom, and that’s wrong. That’s where my children, our children, our grandchildren are going to get educated. So I’m not trying to diss anybody’s profession. I’m not trying to diss teaching, but I am dissing the overhead that exists in the school system.
SPEAKER 14 :
Yeah, and some of these salaries are pretty profitable for these administrators at many of these schools. And the other thing, though, back at the ranch, if you take a look at it, is our kids are not learning how to read and write and do arithmetic. So all this money is going to the school districts, and our kids are falling behind. There’s something wrong with that picture, Jay Davidson.
SPEAKER 10 :
It’s so true. I mean, our national standing… On the tests internationally, we’re going down. Every year we’re declining. Now what are we, like the 20th in the world for education, educating our children? Used to be number one. What happened? Well, I’ll tell you what happened. The Department of Education happened. I mean, everybody says, oh, well, we need a universal curriculum so everybody gets the same education. Okay, that makes sense. But then what’s the reality of it? The reality is that the government now, the Department of Education, bureaucrats, now control the education system. And their incentive is not the same as our incentive. And you’ve got to face the facts. My incentive is that my child and my grandchildren and so on get an education. They’re trained. They’re taught to think, not what to think, but how to think. The bureaucrats’ intention is to grow the bureaucracy, and that’s all they’re doing. So to me, I like the idea of school vouchers, of challenge schools, private schools, private education. Let the marketplace determine where you want to send the kid, and stop funding these ridiculous taxes for administrative functions. I think that we’re just shooting ourselves in the foot every time we approve a mill levy increase.
SPEAKER 14 :
Well, we’re letting our children down. And I think people, we do want our kids to have a good education. But a good education means that they will be able to read and write and do arithmetic. And there is a whole generation of kids that did not learn cursive writing. And just the cursive writing of the hand-eye coordination and all that is so important from a developmental standpoint. And so we need to reclaim the education for our kids. Getting rid of the Department of Education would be just fine with B.J. Davidson.
SPEAKER 10 :
Yeah, I agree with that. And we need to bring it more local, more state, more regional. My kids, one set of my kids has taken their children out of public school, and they’re paying a fortune. These kids are in first grade and third grade, and they’re paying a fortune to privately educate our kids, our grandkids. And the reason is that the education in the public system is terrible. And I’m talking about the best school system in Colorado, reported, reputed best school system in Colorado. These people took on the 1619 Project. They’re just decimating our kids and their ability to think. So it’s just an amazing turn of events here that has to be reversed.
SPEAKER 14 :
Well, it does have to be reversed. And regarding teachers, you and I both know those great public school teachers. And their hands, I think, in many ways have been tied. And we need to untie those hands and let them be able to teach kids the things that really need to be taught. And we need to… say no to more and more money to these school districts that are not delivering the return on investment that we would expect. So, Jay Davidson, I never know for sure where our conversations are going to go, but let’s finish up again with the United Kingdom. There is at a point where governments try to extract so much tax revenue that businesses and individuals will say no more, correct?
SPEAKER 10 :
Oh, absolutely. I mean, why did our nation form? Remember the tea revolt? No more taxes. No more taxation without representation. I mean, this has been ongoing forever since the founding of our nation. And it’s back at it again. I mean, the bureaucracy never dies. Woodrow Wilson started this game off over 100 years ago. Barack Obama blew it through the ceiling. And actually, the Bushes are not that much better. They’re big government Republicans.
SPEAKER 08 :
I know.
SPEAKER 10 :
You know, people wake up. We got to find a way to elect people that are not big government, bigger government politicians. That’s our avenue here. That’s our constitutional right and duty to stay on these politicians. And when they start spending and spending and taxing and taxing, we need to fire them. That’s our job.
SPEAKER 14 :
And we have to take that job seriously. So, Jay Davidson, always great conversations. I really appreciate it. And I’m wishing you and yours a very Merry Christmas. And, again, if people want to help with the toy drive at First American State Bank, what’s the best way to do that?
SPEAKER 10 :
Well, drop off your toys at the bank, 8390 East Crescent Parkway in Greenwood Village. Or go online, FASBank.com. Or call the bank, and our employees will help you out, 303-694-6464. Okay. Thank you, Kim, for everything.
SPEAKER 14 :
Oh, absolutely. And I wish you and your whole family a very Merry Christmas.
SPEAKER 10 :
Wait, can we say that now? Merry Christmas? Oh, okay. That’s cool.
SPEAKER 14 :
So Merry Christmas, Jay Davidson.
SPEAKER 10 :
Merry Christmas. Bye-bye.
SPEAKER 14 :
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And welcome back to The Kim Munson Show. Check out our website. That is Kim Munson, M-O-N-S-O-N.com. Sign up for our weekly email newsletter and you can email me at Kim at KimMunson.com as well. And do want to make sure that I mention these two nonprofits that I dearly love. That’s the Center for American Values located in Pueblo. It’s on the beautiful Riverwalk. And two things they honor are Medal of Honor recipients with over 160 portraits of valor. So 160 portraits of Medal of Honor recipients and also with their quotes. And then also they have these amazing educational programs. So check all that out at AmericanValueCenter.org. That’s AmericanValueCenter.org. And then the USMC Memorial is located right here in Colorado. It was dedicated in 1977. It’s time for a facelift. And so go over to their website. That’s USMCMemorialFoundation.org to find out how you can help and also what the plans are there. Text line is 720-605-0647. And a lot of great comments here. So I wanted to go with those. Okay, let’s see here. It says the only way to stop the spending is to get rid of the agencies completely. They will never get themselves under control and we the people will never organize enough to hold any of them accountable. It’s sort of like herding cats. Thank you, Lynn. That makes a lot of sense. This question on what does DOGE mean, and it’s D-O-G-E, and it’s what Elon Musk and Vivek Ramaswamy are tasked with at the federal level to go through and become the Department of Government Efficiency. And it will be detailed plans for these different agencies to shrink government. So I think that we, the people, need to start DOGE, Department of Government Efficiency, which is accountable to we, the people. And I think we need to do that in Colorado, our counties, our cities, and all of these different places that we pay taxes. So, Karen, thank you for that. We’re going to work on that. Let’s see here. Oh, another one. Love, love, love, Jay Davidson. Okay. And Gammy said curriculum, curriculum, curriculum. That is a Marxist tool. And let’s see here. A couple of other comments. Thank you, Susan. She says, I love Jay, but we’re too far in debt and the small businesses and everyone really is so overburdened with all the government that we’ve got no choice but to rip off the regulations and taxation. Plus, the private sector really needs So there will be plenty of employment for those people who are cut from the government payroll. Okay, great. And goes on to say entire departments need to be immediately eliminated. Most of them are not the role of government and are unconstitutional. And then 100% of these grants are causing tremendous problems in local communities. In Texas, they’re using grants to build sustainable energy producers like wind and solar and lithium battery storage facilities. And these are things that in the free market, people really prefer the freedom and mobility of their gas-powered cars. So you can see how all these government grants are all connected. Let’s see. Next thing here. Thank you, Holly. She says, I understand what Jay is saying, but if another, well, when another administration comes in, if we only go through attrition, that they will simply open the floodgates for government hiring. So that’s why we need to consider this slash and burn process, rip the Band-Aid off, shrink the size of government. If we wait through the process of attrition, it could take a decade. And by that time, Democrats will be back in power. It says when government employees are forced in the private sector, they’re going to have to discover something that the rest of us are familiar with, which is a real work ethic, I think, Elon Musk. And Vivek are thinking the same thing, a much smaller government. So it’s going to be interesting to see how all this transpires. Let me just see if there’s anything else here that we needed to talk about. So So a couple of things. As we are moving into 2025, and I talked with the girls about it last night, our Colorado 2024 project, it is amazing what all of you have done as far as raising the money, contributing for these two lawsuits that are in the back and forth ping pong legal way that it works. I’m not real familiar with it. I’m learning on all this. I had hoped that we’d get these lawsuits filed and we’d have immediate decisions. That’s not the way it works. But we got these lawsuits filed. The one with United Sovereign Americans was filed in September. And the premise on that lawsuit is, is that Colorado is not meeting the minimum standards as set forth by Congress for our elections. It’s a civil rights issue. And we’re one of nine states where United Sovereign Americans filed suit. And Colorado is in that mix because of all of you and the money that we raised for the legal action on that. The other lawsuit is through Peter Bernager and Wisconsin Center for Election Justice. And the basis for that case is that our voter rolls are not clean. And that was filed before the election on November 1st. And that’s in its back and forth. So our two things, three things that right now we’re going to focus on in 2025. I’m renaming it our Colorado 2024 project, Reclaim Colorado 2025. One will be a lawsuit in light of these bios passwords, a security breach, and two, the fraudulent ballots that were counted in Mesa County, that we need a hand recount and audit of our elections. And then next, to propose legislation to fix things that are legal in Colorado but are not right. An example is 15-year-olds can pre-register to vote, and the minute they turn 18, then a ballot will be generated. And it’ll go to the address that they registered to vote at. And how many 15-year-olds, if they move, are going to go change their registration? And so we want to work on that legislation. And then our DOGE Colorado project, Department of Government Efficiency. So our goal will be to… to shrink government. And so we’ve got a lot to do. And now’s the time to do it when I say at the beginning of the show that you were made for this moment. I’m not kidding. We all were made for this moment in history. And it’s a very exciting time. Our quote for the end of the show is from Henry Hazlitt. And he said this, when Alexander the Great visited the philosopher Diogenes, and asked whether he could do anything for him, Diogenes is said to have replied, yes, stand a little less between me and the sun. It is what every citizen is entitled to ask of his government. So today, my friends, be grateful, read great books, think good thoughts, listen to beautiful music, communicate and listen well, live honestly and authentically, strive for high ideals, and like Superman, stand for truth, justice, and the American way. My friends, you are not alone. God bless you, and God bless America.
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Talking about freedom Talking about freedom I will fight
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